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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on September 18, 2021, 07:23:11 PM
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After what was a pretty bland first half what a superb second. Superb goal by Cash then what a display by Bailey. Let’s hope he’s not badly hurt. Great win though
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Get Leon Bailey fit FFS. He is a proper player.
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Lovely stuff - Bailey, wow.
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People still moaning about 5-3-2? 🤣
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Has there ever been a better sub since Spink for Rimmer?
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How good does that feel? I'm in love!
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We were the better side overall, eventually forced a way through and scored three through weight of chances and Bailey being a beast. He's walking around on the pitch so let's hope he's fine, because fuck me is there a player there.
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I think we need to play with one forward though. Buendia to come back in and Bailey to start once fit.
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People still moaning about 5-3-2? 🤣
Yep, 3-5-2 was awful. Game changed 2 minutes after we switched formation.
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Bailey was brilliant when he came on and changed the game.
Of the rest Luiz was superb, bossed the midfield against 2 niggly bastards, brilliant pass for our first and gave us the control we need.
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Season is well underway now.
Everton missing 3-4 players but really we never looked in danger of losing that (as usual v them) and must be first time in a long while at premier league level we had a stronger bench than team who finished top 10 in premier league last few seasons.
Today it was Leon Bailey. Hopefully as the season progresses it can be Traore, El Ghazi, Buendia or even Danny Ings who have that sort of impact as second half sub.
Very good.
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Superb stuff Villa, Leon Bailey wow wow
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Drop ings he is a passenger ans its not weoking with him and ollie
Bailey was unreal. Motm for me was mings. Cash excellent too
Brilliant second half. No more 3 at the back
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Superb stuff Villa, Leon Bailey wow wow
The way he took his goal, he's a great player.
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Ings’ pass for Bailey’s goal was outstanding
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Bailey was superb. Just gave us a thrust. Interesting as a wingback so I do wonder if he can still be an option if we are playing 5-3-2. The system is reliant on your wingbacks bombing forward. Cash did that superbly today to be fair. My MOTM.
The first half was okay as far as generally keeping it okay but with a need to find a bit more pace in attack. Ramsey was quiet first half, brilliant second, whilst Douglas playing further forward actually did provide a cuteness we'd lacked (he is erratic granted, but did pick out some nice passes). In terms of sweeping at the back of midfield and offering a base, I think Nakamba does it better than anyone here. He made a difference in a far better second half.
The front two worked very hard but I'm not convinced playing both is going to work. That said, great ball from Ings for Bailey's goal.
Let's see if we can put first half Chelsea, second half Everton together into the next few games and cause an upset.
What's very promising though, is we have options now. We are going to need to get some unexpected results though and generally do better in the games we're expected to win too. My worry is, Everton and Newcastle are teams we like playing at the moment. It's games like Watford and Brentford we're going to need to improve on, even just to maintain what we did last season.
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Reminded me of a home game under MON for a lot of it. Dangerous from set pieces but all a bit predictable. Playing three centre backs and at one stage seven defensive players was all a bit Southgate esque against an under strength Everton.... Game changed in the matter of a couple of minutes. Gray missed a great chance at one end and we went down the other end and scored through Cash. Getting Bailey on was crucial, though I'm not sure Mings actually moved to left back? Targett was having a bit of a nightmare. Fortunate second but we over powered from them then. Ramsey missing a bit of a sitter in truth. Great third goal from Bailey.
We lost 3-0 last week playing reasonably well and I don't think we played all that well tonight for most of the game. But three points it is.
Martinez 6, Cash 7, Konsa 6, Tuanzebe 5, Mings 8, Targett 5 (Bailey 8), Luiz 7, McGinn 6 (Nakamba 7), Ramsey 6, Watkins 5, Ings 7.
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Great win with most of our creative players starting on the bench (which I didn't necessarily disagree with). Credit to Nakamba, thought he was excellent when he came on. Up the Villa.
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Glorious.
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I don't think anyone had a bad game.
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Glorious.
Marvellous
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Reminded me of a home game under MON for a lot of it. Dangerous from set pieces but all a bit predictable. Playing three centre backs and at one stage seven defensive players was all a bit Southgate esque against an under strength Everton.... Game changed in the matter of a couple of minutes. Gray missed a great chance at one end and we went down the other end and scored through Cash. Getting Bailey on was crucial, though I'm not sure Mings actually moved to left back? Targett was having a bit of a nightmare. Fortunate second but we over powered from them then. Ramsey missing a bit of a sitter in truth. Great third goal from Bailey.
We lost 3-0 last week playing reasonably well and I don't think we played all that well tonight for most of the game. But three points it is.
Martinez 6, Cash 7, Konsa 6, Tuanzebe 5, Mings 8, Targett 5 (Bailey 8), Luiz 7, McGinn 6 (Nakamba 7), Ramsey 6, Watkins 5, Ings 7.
I like your Bailey rating.
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Very good win that pushes us into the top 10. I'd stick with two up front for now. It clearly isn't quite there yet, but what it is doing is giving other players acres of space to get in the box and score.
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Very harsh on Watkins. 5?
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Credit to Nakamba, thought he was excellent when he came on.
Agreed. Once again he was getting on the ball and moving it on quickly. I now think he knows what is expected of him and he's capable of delivering.
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I enjoyed that! :) :) :)
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Very harsh on Watkins. 5?
Thought he was poor to be honest, first touch still ropey at times...Ings far sharper of the two of them. Very little interplay between them as of yet
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I think daughter and me scared the neighbours with our screaming for the goals.
Stalemate to 60 minutes then The Bailey Effect kicked in.
Targett needs to improve his distribution and Watkins needs to look for a pass occasionally instead of shooting every time.
Pleased for Leon and Cash. Special mention for Axel who did much better this time and actually won a significant number of aerial duels.
edit : forgot to mention, well done the set-piece coach, I'm really enjoying the routines. The one in the 1st half deserved a goal.
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For the own goal, if it had gone over the defender's head it would have been right on Dougie's dumpling and no matter what he'd done he couldn't/wouldn't have missed. That corner was that good.
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Aston Villa. Still the best two words in the English landscape.
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Very harsh on Watkins. 5?
Thought he was poor to be honest, first touch still ropey at times...Ings far sharper of the two of them. Very little interplay between them as of yet
His energy in harassing them has to be worthy of a 6 at least. I’d hate to play against him. His pressing is superb.
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I think Ings is going to be a moments player. Fantastic pass for the Bailey goal. Happy to have him in the side for those bits of quality. Gives us something a bit different.
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Just fantastic. We're going places.
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He was ok just not involved enough. Ings wasn’t particularly either but a bit more effective when he was and the pass for Baileys goal was tremendous and everything I expected when we signed him.
Bailey looks a great young player.
I thought everyone did ok individually but we were a bit huff and puff without being effective as a team until we scored. After that we were very good indeed.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12411373/aston-villa-3-0-everton-leon-bailey-inspires-second-half-win-as-rafael-benitez-suffers-first-loss
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I thought Cash was brilliant today, he suits that role so well. I knew he’d go nuts the moment he scored. I said last season he will love fans being at the ground and appreciate them.
Targett is not an attacking wing back but is so solid as a full back. . In the first half he timed a very hard but fair tackle on Grey so well and it helped subdue his threat.
Bailey? Wow, what a cameo, hope he’s ok, he could be the singing of the season.
When we press so well like we did today and have the attacking threat in Bailey it’s makes such an exciting team.
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I think we need to play with one forward though. Buendia to come back in and Bailey to start once fit.
Will be interesting to see what we do next weekend. Not sure Ings will be much use away to Man. United so would love to see Bailey playing off Ollie and probably a good case for Buendia to slot into middle trio as assume McGinn will be ruled out with concussion protocol.
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well done the set-piece coach, I'm really enjoying the routines. The one in the 1st half deserved a goal.
If you mean the one Ings finished. That was close to being Goal of the Season.
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Yeah we said that in a back four you’d play Targett but in a 3-5-2 with wing backs you’d play Young.
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Fuck off Grealish we got Bailey.
Quicker, younger and better looking than you.
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Seems great camaraderie between the players as well. Great to see. Quality and team sprit is a great combination
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Just a word for Luiz's assist for the opener, fucking hell!
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Brilliant result against a decent team with a brilliant manager and only three pages of comment! Had we lost there’d be ten pages of moaning. Superb performance. Didn’t mind the first hour at all, we negated them, then BAM! Bad luck continues with injuries to McGinn and Bailey, both of whom were superb, especially the latter (shades of Morley for the goal) Doug great, Cash MOM, thought he was exceptional throughout and a great first goal for the club. And Mings played like a man possessed, not technically great but an absolute mountain. That’s why he’s captain. Cloud nine. Wonderful. UTV!
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Superb second half, what a player Bailey is going to be for us!
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Aston Villa 3-0 Everton: Toffees' unbeaten run comes to an end at Villa Park - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58525372
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Brilliant, all round excellent. Matty Cash’s face when he scored was an absolute treat. What I like is the depth of the squad. We can call on real class now to change things from the bench. We may have sold our best player in years but the squad overall is stronger
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Majestic 30 mins in second half. Cash was mom by some way but understand sky kissing Leon’s bot. Pleasure to watch and we really going in right direction. Top four in two years without a doubt 😍
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Bailey. Fucking hell.
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Brilliant result against a decent team with a brilliant manager and only three pages of comment! Had we lost there’d be ten pages of moaning. Superb performance. Didn’t mind the first hour at all, we negated them, then BAM! Bad luck continues with injuries to McGinn and Bailey, both of whom were superb, especially the latter (shades of Morley for the goal) Doug great, Cash MOM, thought he was exceptional throughout and a great first goal for the club. And Mings played like a man possessed, not technically great but an absolute mountain. That’s why he’s captain. Cloud nine. Wonderful. UTV!
Everyone busy watching strictly🤣
Enjoyed that. Bailey - what a cameo. Cash fabulous. Defence solid. The season has started.
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I love Cash, so energetic and enthusiastic and that goal was superb.
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Very patient performance by the team. Just shows what quality and depth on the bench can bring. Makes the crap journey up a distant memory. UTV
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Well done Villa. It feels good. As was said before we are à much better team this year.
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Just got home - what a fantastic second half! VP rocking like that is the best place to be on earth!
Does anybody know what happened before the game quite near to the Holte Hotel? There was a bloke on the ground bleeding badly from at least one cut on his face and other cuts too. There was another bloke near him who had blood on him too. The police were there and it all looked very serious. Hope he is okay
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Usual Everton supporter saltiness on their Facebook pages. All those injuries against a “shit” Villa side that aren’t even that great.
Bless.
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Usual Everton supporter saltiness on their Facebook pages. All those injuries against a “shit” Villa side that aren’t even that great.
Bless.
They've always been like that as far back as I can remember.
Tbf I have no issue with them, I don't think there are two more evenly matched clubs in the country than us and Everton.
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Brilliant result against a decent team with a brilliant manager and only three pages of comment! Had we lost there’d be ten pages of moaning. Superb performance. Didn’t mind the first hour at all, we negated them, then BAM! Bad luck continues with injuries to McGinn and Bailey, both of whom were superb, especially the latter (shades of Morley for the goal) Doug great, Cash MOM, thought he was exceptional throughout and a great first goal for the club. And Mings played like a man possessed, not technically great but an absolute mountain. That’s why he’s captain. Cloud nine. Wonderful. UTV!
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This for me.
Felt very even 1st half, bit of sparring match. Can i just say for all the criticism last season, Smith brough Bailey on at exactly the right time. That kid looks a class act. All the one on ones ive seen, i never one thought he was going to miss!
Buzzing now.
Matt cash, warrior, thats it
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My best mate and business partner is an Evertonian, and he predicted a 3-0 defeat for them when he saw the teams. A pessimist is never disappointed I suppose!
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Cash was mom
He was mom, dad, the dog and the mom's boyfriend - imperial !
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Usual Everton supporter saltiness on their Facebook pages. All those injuries against a “shit” Villa side that aren’t even that great.
Bless.
They've always been like that as far back as I can remember.
Tbf I have no issue with them, I don't think there are two more evenly matched clubs in the country than us and Everton.
The win puts us in front of them in the head to head games - 83 to 82 wins to us
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The reception Leon Bailey got when he came on spoke volumes about the fact that we knew that the team needed a creative spark. The performance was getting a bit stodgy and we needed something, someone to elevate the levels.
And boy did we get that. Cash scored a sensational goal and played well but Bailey provided that va-va-voom that gets you off your seat and exhilarates you.
Apparently his injury came from striking the ball too hard but he should be OK.
Our bench was sensational today and that more than anything says that we could be about to achieve something special this season.
Feels good travelling home after that second half.
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What a fantastic move for the opening goal. Proper sexy football.
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Great win, great 3 points! Pleased with the clean sheet also.
Well taken goals by Cash and Bailey. Great assists by Luiz and Ings (what a great pass with the outside of his foot under pressure from the throw-in)
Well done Villa!
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Thought Cash was great today, MOTM for me. Bailey is class just need to keep him fit. Not convinced by Ings at all and not sure we really needed him.
Great atmosphere second half, onwards and upwards.
Now just need to get some staff who can pour a can of purity ale into a plastic glass without a 6 inch head and we’ll be rocking.
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Fuck off Grealish we got Bailey.
Quicker, younger and better looking than you.
Grealish? Who's he? Buendia was supposed to be his replacement. Why didn't he start? "Super Jack" wouldn't get in this team playing like that. Marvelous was also marvelous and deserves a mention.
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I thought Nakamba did a more than decent job after he came on.
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Just got back. Ramsey was motm, he can't drop him after last 2 games, he is developing really well. Glad he changes it as Everton were poor and we needed to win that. Heard thT Bailey was just a bit of tightness and nothing too bad.
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I thought Nakamba did a more than decent job after he came on.
Completely agree. Marvelous has some doubters but he was excellent today. Barely gave the ball away and had energy and bite.
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Not convinced by Ings at all and not sure we really needed him.
Ings is absolutely brilliant and will win us games out if6 nothing, like Newcastle. But we are struggling at the minute to find a system were by him and Ollie can play together. They don't look comfortable at the moment together.
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Enjoyed that!
I can understand the plaudits for Bailey, he’s going to be special for us, but my MOTM today was Marv. He didn’t put a foot wrong and distributed the ball like a boss second half.
The starting 11 was very disjointed for me and with 5 at the back and 2 up top, we were lacking in the middle, with very little link to the front two. Unlike last season’s Dean, he changed it round with the subs and we won easily in the end.
Thought both fullbacks were a little exposed at times with poor distribution, but Cash improved after his goal. Doug improved when moved further fwd, but really needs to learn to release the ball faster. If it’s him or Marv for that DM spot, on today’s performance it’s got to be Nakamb for me.
Shout out to Ramsey too… he’s gonna be some player if he keeps improving as he is.
UTV!
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Cash was MOM by miles
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End to end for the first 15 mins or so then it all got a bit dull, until the second half where we just came to life. Mings was superb today didn’t lose a header and real leader’s performance (except for Acouple of crap passes). Cash also excellent and up there for MOTM, really love watching Ramsey and though he deserved a goal. Then Bailey comes on a blows them all away. If his attitude is right he will become some player for us.
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Ramsey did well over all, but if it had finished 0-0 he'd be getting a deserved round fucks from the two strikers after taking that shot on and missing when they were both well placed. If you do that you have to score.
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Not convinced by Ings at all and not sure we really needed him.
Ings is absolutely brilliant and will win us games out if6 nothing, like Newcastle. But we are struggling at the minute to find a system were by him and Ollie can play together. They don't look comfortable at the moment together.
That’s a fair comment. He’s certainly not a bad player but I’m not sure how we get the best out of him when Ollie plays.
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Really wants a goal doesn’t he. It will come
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Buendia your going to have to work for your place
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Usual Everton supporter saltiness on their Facebook pages. All those injuries against a “shit” Villa side that aren’t even that great.
Bless.
They've always been like that as far back as I can remember.
Tbf I have no issue with them, I don't think there are two more evenly matched clubs in the country than us and Everton.
I have no problem with Everton, but I kind of think of them as Arm Utd. At Goodison, whether it's a goal scored, conceded, a dive, a foul, an offside decision, a penalty, a misplaced pass - you just see arms flailing in complete, incredulous outrage.
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Not convinced by Ings at all and not sure we really needed him.
Ings is absolutely brilliant and will win us games out if6 nothing, like Newcastle. But we are struggling at the minute to find a system were by him and Ollie can play together. They don't look comfortable at the moment together.
that pass for the 3rd goal ??????
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Those criticising Ings - I’m baffled, I thought he was excellent. Superb second Half performance. Bailey - wow,the king is dead, long live the king
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Ramsey did well over all, but if it had finished 0-0 he'd be getting a deserved round fucks from the two strikers after taking that shot on and missing when they were both well placed. If you do that you have to score.
We were 2-0 up at the time, mind.
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Those criticising Ings - I’m baffled, I thought he was excellent. Superb second Half performance. Bailey - wow,the king is dead, long live the king
Didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
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Those criticising Ings - I’m baffled, I thought he was excellent. Superb second Half performance. Bailey - wow,the king is dead, long live the king
Yes I thought his all round play was good today and the pass for the 3rd goal was amazing.
Cash was my MOTM by some way. His goal transformed the game, and got the crowd really going. Buendia did a great celebration whilst warming upon the touch line which was great to see.
I thought we were ok in the first half without creating enough chances and the only lucky moment was when we got away with the foul on Gray that wasn’t given.
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Is it forbidden to say that Everton are a bit of a knob club certainly not our level in ternn Mr s of support, fan base, success and being an alright decent club. Anyone who went there in the 70s will agree with me 💯
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still on the train on way home but that second half was terrific and looks like we got our new hero
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Ps will do much the same as last season. But please let us have at least be good cup run
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I'd prefer to be on the front foot and attack from the off but Dean did it the other way 'round so I'm not complaining. As soon as we changed it they collapsed like a pack of cards and as I said in the pre match these are the teams we need to be beating. And we did. With some comfort.
Nice.
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After the team was announced a few of us pointed out the amount of quality on the bench and in the end that's what won us the game. We could bring on someone who totally changed the game, they had tom davies.
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Ramsey did well over all, but if it had finished 0-0 he'd be getting a deserved round fucks from the two strikers after taking that shot on and missing when they were both well placed. If you do that you have to score.
We were 2-0 up at the time, mind.
I get that, but we have a proud record of fucking ourselves right up from such a position.
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Is it forbidden to say that Everton are a bit of a knob club certainly not our level in ternn Mr s of support, fan base, success and being an alright decent club. Anyone who went there in the 70s will agree with me 💯
Some thickos on their Forum had a quick look, they don't like Mings much ,thought he should of been booked and one
was referring to Bailey as a french xxxx ??
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Is it forbidden to say that Everton are a bit of a knob club certainly not our level in ternn Mr s of support, fan base, success and being an alright decent club. Anyone who went there in the 70s will agree with me 💯
No it isn’t I can’t stand them and never have for all the reasons you point out
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I'm not a fan of them mainly because every Everton fan I know has a massive chip on their shoulder about Villa for no reason I can understand, a couple of them consider blues as their 2nd team because of it, which is just fucking weird.
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I'm not a fan of them mainly because every Everton fan I know has a massive chip on their shoulder about Villa for no reason I can understand, a couple of them consider blues as their 2nd team because of it, which is just fucking weird.
How big is the sample size, Paul? I've never met an Evertonian, and not sure why they'd have an issue with us. I'd hate to add them to the ranks of Bristol City and Newcastle.
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Ruthless in the 15 minute spell in the second half, fairly even up to then. We have some real talent with the likes of Bailey and Traore coming on. Hope Bailey and SJM, who were both brilliant today, aren't seriously injured. Good to keep a clean sheet. Douglas was very good. Ings put a real shift in. Good to see.
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I know two. Both just see it as a healthy, respectful rivalry (I think it's driven by the most-played fixture stat).
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I only know one Evertonian and he’s a top bloke. Loves his footy and has respect for Villa and hates the sky six just like us.
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What a day.
That 20 minute spell was incredible. Absolutely hoarse afterwards.
Great move by Deano getting Bailey on after 60 minutes, great goals, amazing atmosphere.
Still not enough for the guy in front of us though - left on 30 minutes, back on 50 minutes, leaves on 80 minutes. 18,000 on the waiting list would kill for that seat. Unbelievable.
Anyway, the king is dead, long live the king. UTV.
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Know a few (6?) Evertonians, each of them good folk. Those I’ve had longer football conversations with, it’s generally been either mutual respect type thing, occasionally extending to nice comments about Villa Park.
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I only know one Evertonian and he’s a top bloke. Loves his footy and has respect for Villa and hates the sky six just like us.
Agree. I know a few and they are all decent guys.
They don't want to talk to me today though, for some strange reason.
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Why doesn’t Bailey get credit for the second ?
If it had been a free kick that was on target but took a deflection, it would have been his goal. What’s the difference if it was from a corner?
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I'm not a fan of them mainly because every Everton fan I know has a massive chip on their shoulder about Villa for no reason I can understand, a couple of them consider blues as their 2nd team because of it, which is just fucking weird.
How big is the sample size, Paul? I've never met an Evertonian, and not sure why they'd have an issue with us. I'd hate to add them to the ranks of Bristol City and Newcastle.
5 that I can think of, the 2 I mentioned are brummies who started supporting them in the mid 80s so exactly the sort of glory hunters they claim to hate and exactly the sort of people who suddenly decided they also liked the blues when the porn dickheads arrived and Barry fry was pissing on the corner flags. The others aren't so bad but all have a habit of only talking football when we're on a bad run so they can talk about us being shit.
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Why doesn’t Bailey get credit for the second ?
If it had been a free kick that was on target but took a deflection, it would have been his goal. What’s the difference if it was from a corner?
I'm wondering the same, I do wonder if he'll be awarded it because when Digne made contact it was definitely on target.
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Oh yeah, fantastic performance in the second half. Shame we didn’t have that old winger who came through the ranks in to the first team. He’d have loved being in this team. What was his name again? Used to have this song, “Super, super thing, super, super thing, suuuuper, super thing, super thingy ma bob”
Oh yeah, Mark Albrighton.
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Why doesn’t Bailey get credit for the second ?
If it had been a free kick that was on target but took a deflection, it would have been his goal. What’s the difference if it was from a corner?
I think cus Dignes touch took it over Begovics hands.
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I thought it was a little bit frustrating up until we scored then they seemed to collapse and we looked immense. Its such a shame Ramsey's chance didn't go in to make it 4-0.
Another word for Nakamba when he came on, he was excellent.
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At last, I was finally able to sing "Dirty Cash I want you, Dirty Cash I need you woah".
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I thought it was a little bit frustrating up until we scored then they seemed to collapse and we looked immense. Its such a shame Ramsey's chance didn't go in to make it 4-0.
Another word for Nakamba when he came on, he was excellent.
I thought his chance came when we were 2-0 up?
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What a day.
That 20 minute spell was incredible. Absolutely hoarse afterwards.
Great move by Deano getting Bailey on after 60 minutes, great goals, amazing atmosphere.
Still not enough for the guy in front of us though - left on 30 minutes, back on 50 minutes, leaves on 80 minutes. 18,000 on the waiting list would kill for that seat. Unbelievable.
Anyway, the king is dead, long live the king. UTV.
Ha, I had 2 guys next to me who did pretty much the same thing. Moaned about Smith until we scored.
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This would of been a great quiz question.... If they didn't give the answer.
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What a day.
That 20 minute spell was incredible. Absolutely hoarse afterwards.
Great move by Deano getting Bailey on after 60 minutes, great goals, amazing atmosphere.
Still not enough for the guy in front of us though - left on 30 minutes, back on 50 minutes, leaves on 80 minutes. 18,000 on the waiting list would kill for that seat. Unbelievable.
Anyway, the king is dead, long live the king. UTV.
Ha, I had 2 guys next to me who did pretty much the same thing. Moaned about Smith until we scored.
Makes you wonder why they bother.
If you can’t get a major erection watching that second half, you’ve got a problem.
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Aston Villa. Still the best two words in the English landscape.
Nothing more needs saying.
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Those criticising Ings - I’m baffled, I thought he was excellent. Superb second Half performance. Bailey - wow,the king is dead, long live the king
Didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
No, we're an anarcho-syndicalist commune!
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The attendance was less than vs Brentford, but Everton sold out their end and we sold ours, no idea how they work it out. Brentford def had empty seats in the upper tier.
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The attendance was less than vs Brentford, but Everton sold out their end and we sold ours, no idea how they work it out. Brentford def had empty seats in the upper tier.
Flin5tone to the thread.
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The attendance was less than vs Brentford, but Everton sold out their end and we sold ours, no idea how they work it out. Brentford def had empty seats in the upper tier.
Flin5tone to the thread.
I guess we won’t see any of Flin5stone’s nonsense for a day or two.
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Why doesn’t Bailey get credit for the second ?
If it had been a free kick that was on target but took a deflection, it would have been his goal. What’s the difference if it was from a corner?
I'm wondering the same, I do wonder if he'll be awarded it because when Digne made contact it was definitely on target.
I expect it is more because, unless your surname is Staunton, most footballers do not shoot from a corner where the ones for the freekick are normally a shot.
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The attendance was less than vs Brentford, but Everton sold out their end and we sold ours, no idea how they work it out. Brentford def had empty seats in the upper tier.
Flin5tone to the thread.
I guess we won’t see any of Flin5stone’s nonsense for a day or two.
Peterborough to Birmingham is a long journey tbf.
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What a match! I actually thought the first half was pretty good. Decent standard, Villa the better side as a whole, but Everton looking probably more likely to score. Gutted when SJM went off but Nakamba came on and had one of the best games I think he’s had for us. Don’t want to be critical of players, but I thought dougie was having an off day but then came alive in the second half. Great all round team performance today. So so jealous of those who were there. It sounded brilliant in the ground. Bailey is a real talent, what a finish. I think we can cause a few ‘upsets’ in the next few games. Look so solid with Martinez back too.
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It was good to see us and Blose both involved in 3-0 games.
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I guess we won’t see any of Flin5stone’s nonsense for a day or two.
Peterborough to Birmingham is a long journey tbf.
Even longer if you're in custody.
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MotD showed far more of the game than Sky.
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Small Heath to Sherlock Street would be comparable in journey time when the satnav’s in the blink
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Thought Deano did a job on Benitez today, albeit with them missing their two key attacking players. As much as there were stoodgy bits, I don’t think we allowed Everton to create much or even getting out of their half at points. We also kept Digne pretty quiet and having to defend more than attack which nullifies one of their key threats. You could see Benitez getting more and more frustrated and that was at nil nil.
One of the things that really stood out for me were a number of moments of real quality from the team: Cash’s left foot finish, Ings pass and Luiz’s assist, which was of real quality on his weaker foot.
We’ve definitely enriched the quality elements this season in the squad with the signings on what we had and now have threats from a number of sources.
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Thought Deano did a job on Benitez today, albeit with them missing their two key attacking players. As much as there were stoodgy bits, I don’t think we allowed Everton to create much or even getting out of their half at points. We also kept Digne pretty quiet and having to defend more than attack which nullifies one of their key threats. You could see Benitez getting more and more frustrated and that was at nil nil.
One of the things that really stood out for me were a number of moments of real quality from the team: Cash’s left foot finish, Ings pass and Luiz’s assist, which was of real quality on his weaker foot.
We’ve definitely enriched the quality elements this season in the squad with the signings on what we had and now have threats from a number of sources.
Yes, we have a number of players now that if they were up against us, I'd be worried about.
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Strongest Villa bench since…. ?
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Just got back.
Thought Ings was good - lots of sharp little touches and pockets of good movement. Much better than Watkins today who looks a little lost in this formation, or maybe just not match sharp yet. Mings and particularly Cash excellent. Target I thought was very poor going forwards but ok defensively. Wasted 5 or 6 decent crossing opportunities in the first half. Obviously Bailey was on fire.
The noise in the second half after the first goal was as good as it’s been for a long while.
And for someone on here who posted that the threads only 3 pages long - isn’t that because most of us on here are at the game??
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Strongest Villa bench since…. ?
Last season’s; it had to support Joe’s ego.
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All players did their job today, we were the better side the first half without getting the reward, the second half was, i hope, an indication of what is to come from this squad. If Ramsey keeps improving he will be a great player, his passing is the best in the team. We seem to have an instant new hero, Bailey is a crowd pleaser and he will keep us on the edge of our seats. A mention for JM, his will to win is second to none, love his aggression.
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Strongest Villa bench since…. ?
Since metal benches were replaced with plastic seats?
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Strongest Villa bench since…. ?
Since metal benches were replaced with plastic seats?
They look like car seats now.
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Those criticising Ings - I’m baffled, I thought he was excellent. Superb second Half performance. Bailey - wow,the king is dead, long live the king
Didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
No, we're an anarcho-syndicalist commune!
I reckon we’re Dadaists. It’s all a bit head-scratching but which occasionally resolves into art and beauty.
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Since metal benches were replaced with plastic seats?
They look like car seats now.
We got a deal on Cazoo.
Speaking of which (given it was the Cazoo derby) the H&V brethren will be pleased to know that The Daily Mail owns 21% of it.
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The attendance was less than vs Brentford, but Everton sold out their end and we sold ours, no idea how they work it out. Brentford def had empty seats in the upper tier.
Lou needs to bring back Guess The Crowd, it's dearly missed. Much more skill involved than Guess The Goal, imo.
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Since metal benches were replaced with plastic seats?
They look like car seats now.
We got a deal on Cazoo.
Speaking of which (given it was the Cazoo derby) the H&V brethren will be pleased to know that The Daily Mail owns 21% of it.
I wondered what Cazoo was. For some reason, I had it in my head that it was some sort of sports caffeine drink that made you hyperactive.
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The attendance was less than vs Brentford, but Everton sold out their end and we sold ours, no idea how they work it out. Brentford def had empty seats in the upper tier.
Lou needs to bring back Guess The Crowd, it's dearly missed. Much more skill involved than Guess The Goal, imo.
GTC will be back later this year, as arranged!
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=62273.msg4021065#msg4021065
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It may have already been mentioned but I thought Marv did really well, even some lovely passing on show! It let Dougie get further forward where he looked better.
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Where was Sanson yesterday? Still injured? He wasnt on the bench
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When you try and pick a squad for next week, if everyone is fit, it’s very tough. To think JPB, Chuck, and Archer are all knocking on the door, Sanson’s a footballer from great pedigree, our record signing Buendía and AEG. That’s pretty hard to do.
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It may have already been mentioned but I thought Marv did really well, even some lovely passing on show! It let Dougie get further forward where he looked better.
Yep, I thought so too. His most assured hour for us since he joined.
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Where was Sanson yesterday? Still injured? He wasnt on the bench
I’ve just read he’s not quite ready but not too far off. Once he’s settled he could be another fantastic player. The difference from a few outings last season to this with Ramsey, it just shows once they are up to speed with the tempo how much better a player can look.
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One for the old 'uns. Re. scoring from a corner is my memory correct that in the days before football was invented (ie Sky) Jimmy McEwan (stumpy) did it?
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I cant answer that but I remember Staunton doing it against Palace.
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Staunton did it twice - Wimbledon 1993, Palace 1994. Our first effort on goal in the 94 Coca Cola Cup Final was an in swinging corner from Staunton that Les Sealey touched over.
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I thought Nakamba did a more than decent job after he came on.
Nakamba was excellent today. Ramsey’s progression is clear - he’s looking better on and off the ball.
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One for the old 'uns. Re. scoring from a corner is my memory correct that in the days before football was invented (ie Sky) Jimmy McEwan (stumpy) did it?
I think you mean Johnny McLeod, who was known as' stumpy ' and yes he did score direct from a corner, around 1968 sort of time. (Posted on behalf of an old person...)
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Great performance all round. Hope we keep using 5-3-2 or some variant as it allows us options to change things.. Thought it worked well considering we lost McGinn early which effected it. Anyway, massive boost getting the three points in middle of this tricky run which should set us up for an October push up the table. Oh and please no more bloody injuries. Get a white witch in or something to cleanse the ground.
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Where was Sanson yesterday? Still injured? He wasnt on the bench
i don’t see how he gets in the team.
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There was a lot of talk on the match thread that he moved to a back four after Bailey came on, and that's why we scored, etc, etc. In Smith's words however it was a straight swap with Targett and they didn't change the formation.
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There was a lot of talk on the match thread that he moved to a back four after Bailey came on, and that's why we scored, etc, etc. In Smith's words however it was a straight swap with Targett and they didn't change the formation.
That's what I thought. Watched MOTD again and couldn't see a change in formation after Bailey came on
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That was a very solid display and then we turned it on and demolished them.
I'm not sure why people keep saying the formation was 5-3-2 because, from what I could see, it was clearly 3-5-2 as the two wider players definitely played further forward and the three at the back spread quite wide.
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There was a lot of talk on the match thread that he moved to a back four after Bailey came on, and that's why we scored, etc, etc. In Smith's words however it was a straight swap with Targett and they didn't change the formation.
That's what I thought. Watched MOTD again and couldn't see a change in formation after Bailey came on
Bailey was on the half way line when Ings played him in, I do not believe Tarrget would have been in that position.
So I do think the formation was changed.
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There was a lot of talk on the match thread that he moved to a back four after Bailey came on, and that's why we scored, etc, etc. In Smith's words however it was a straight swap with Targett and they didn't change the formation.
That's what I thought. Watched MOTD again and couldn't see a change in formation after Bailey came on
That's not what I saw, Bailey was way high up the pitch and Mings was even overlapping and taking throw ins. Plus later he clearly went back to CB pushing Konsa to right back. Am I mad?? Are my eyes working??
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Where was Sanson yesterday? Still injured? He wasnt on the bench
i don’t see how he gets in the team.
Ther will inevitably be injuries and suspensions as well as players needing a break from time to time. I don’t think Smith will take the MON approach of having a squad but not using it.
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Yeah Smith said Targett was playing so far forward as a wing back so a straight swap for Bailey made sense.
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I don't think the formation changed either because at the time, I couldn't see who went to left back if that was the case.
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Marv was my MOTM - Took the midfield by the scruff of the neck when he came on, with some great interceptions, and surprisingly assured passing.
IMO, that formation doesn't make the best of our squad. Targett and Cash as our main supply lines is not the answer when you have two England strikers up front - Their crossing was abysmal yesterday! Can't question it too much as we beat a team that we're attempting to leapfrog 3-0, but it's hugely exciting that we now have a strength in depth to change systems and keep opponents guessing for the rest of the season.
Really pleased for Dean too - Managerial nous shown yesterday which has arguably been missing for most of his reign....finally unveiled the fabled Plan B!
Can't believe people are slating Ings yesterday. All I saw was his great link-up play with Targett and the midfield, and lots of tracking back and tackling. Surprised by his pace too tbh. His and Ollie's goals will come. UTV!
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There was a lot of talk on the match thread that he moved to a back four after Bailey came on, and that's why we scored, etc, etc. In Smith's words however it was a straight swap with Targett and they didn't change the formation.
That's what I thought. Watched MOTD again and couldn't see a change in formation after Bailey came on
That's not what I saw, Bailey was way high up the pitch and Mings was even overlapping and taking throw ins. Plus later he clearly went back to CB pushing Konsa to right back. Am I mad?? Are my eyes working??
To be fair its hard to say from the 30 seconds on MOTD after Bailey came on. I'd say Bailey was obviously going to attack further up the field because that's his natural game and Smith seems to think we were still playing it. Also the Cash goal was pretty 5-3-2 ish imo
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Two of the three goals lifted the Holte End net up out of the ground. The next best sight after one bouncing down off the bar and up into the roof of the net. Aesthetically pleasing, as well as just bloody brilliant to watch.
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Whatever the formation was (and it looked 3-5-2 to me), it certainly seemed to benefit Cash.
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We didn't change formation. Mings wasn't at left back, but the wing backs pushed on a lot higher second half.
My initial thought was Bailey would go to make a ye olde 442, but we didn't. Not that we did much defending after he came on, but there was a brief occasion where he tracked into cover and proceeded ro beat his man too.
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Interesting. Maybe we were just pushing them back so much at that point that Mings, in his wide CB position, was almost playing as a kind of left-mid. One way or another we were basically living in their half by that stage.
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From my Witton Lane view, The Holte End looked amazing when the third goal went in. It was almost 'Old Holte' limbs everywhere. Fantastic.
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I don't envy the man who has to pick the team, we have options everywhere.
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I thought Nakamba did a more than decent job after he came on.
Nakamba was excellent today. Ramsey’s progression is clear - he’s looking better on and off the ball.
Ramsey is clearly a good athlete and turns with the ball very well but I didn't think he was great yesterday. Took the wrong option with the ball a lot including that great chance when 2 up. Thought Luiz misplaced a lot of passes too, despite one that mattered for the first goal. I'm not a Nakamba fan but he did well, no doubt about it. I like having a midfield three though, good balance to it.
Deano made an interesting comment post game in that he didn't switch to a back 4 when Bailey came up, just that they noticed Targett was playing very high up the pitch and thought it would be better to get a more natural wide option on there. Surprised Benitez didn't spot that and move Gray over there as I don't think running back to his own goal will be Baileys forte.
I've been an advocate of trying 352 on occasion but I don't think we looked suited to it yesterday. I thought Gray (who was excellent) and Rondon (in the first half) caused our back 3 a lot more problems than they should have. Tuanzebe was like an unnecessary spare man for most of the game. Targett was lost at LWB and the front two played as individuals, poorly in Watkins case. With four decent wide options on the bench it makes no sense to play wing backs for home games.
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There was a lot of talk on the match thread that he moved to a back four after Bailey came on, and that's why we scored, etc, etc. In Smith's words however it was a straight swap with Targett and they didn't change the formation.
That's what I thought. Watched MOTD again and couldn't see a change in formation after Bailey came on
That's not what I saw, Bailey was way high up the pitch and Mings was even overlapping and taking throw ins. Plus later he clearly went back to CB pushing Konsa to right back. Am I mad?? Are my eyes working??
To be fair its hard to say from the 30 seconds on MOTD after Bailey came on. I'd say Bailey was obviously going to attack further up the field because that's his natural game and Smith seems to think we were still playing it. Also the Cash goal was pretty 5-3-2 ish imo
From where I was Targett was playing further forward than a “five”, more wide midfield than full back “ bombing on”. He did drop back occasionally. When Bailey came on Mings covered the left. Dont think he dropped in defensively much.
Cash more defensive overall but did get in the gaps created by Ing and Watkins dragging their defenders out of position. That increased as the game went on.
After Cash was subbed we went to a back four, Konsa at right back, Young on the left.
Interesting to watch Smith change formations during the game. More to play with off the bench allows this … and arguably not playing continually to one player for our attacking ideas
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Bailey should be credited with the second goal as well. It was on target.
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There was a lot of talk on the match thread that he moved to a back four after Bailey came on, and that's why we scored, etc, etc. In Smith's words however it was a straight swap with Targett and they didn't change the formation.
That's what I thought. Watched MOTD again and couldn't see a change in formation after Bailey came on
That's not what I saw, Bailey was way high up the pitch and Mings was even overlapping and taking throw ins. Plus later he clearly went back to CB pushing Konsa to right back. Am I mad?? Are my eyes working??
To be fair its hard to say from the 30 seconds on MOTD after Bailey came on. I'd say Bailey was obviously going to attack further up the field because that's his natural game and Smith seems to think we were still playing it. Also the Cash goal was pretty 5-3-2 ish imo
From where I was Targett was playing further forward than a “five”, more wide midfield than full back “ bombing on”. He did drop back occasionally. When Bailey came on Mings covered the left. Dont think he dropped in defensively much.
Cash more defensive overall but did get in the gaps created by Ing and Watkins dragging their defenders out of position. That increased as the game went on.
After Cash was subbed we went to a back four, Konsa at right back, Young on the left.
Interesting to watch Smith change formations during the game. More to play with off the bench allows this … and arguably not playing continually to one player for our attacking ideas
Yeah, whatever it was we should keep playing it, at least for games against the likes of Everton. Anything but 4-2-3-1.
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There was a moment in the first half where I wish I'd taken a photo, such was the almost military set-square precision of our lines and spacing in a 3-1-4-2.
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Great win, yes they had a lot of injuries, but we were still playing against a good Everton side, but totally overpowered them in the 2nd half. Leon Bailey, on that display, we have some player on our books, he's gonna terrify a lot of defences this season and hopefully many seasons to come. A word for Tyrone, after last weeks cock up, was superb today.
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Bailey should be credited with the second goal as well. It was on target.
Yes but it was such a delicate genius touch from Digne he deserves it.
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Bailey came on and played 10-15 yards hihher than Targett wad, often further forward than the midfield when we were defending.
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Ings’ pass for Bailey’s goal was outstanding
Watched it a few times now and for me, that pass was the move of the game-outstanding!
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Also if the Ings goal went in from that set-piece routine that would be up there for goal of the month. It wasn’t too far wide. If we can use him right Ings is some player.
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I was surprised MOTD didn't show or comment on Konsa grappling with Gray on the edge of the box just before we scored. Thought Ezri got away with one there.
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I was surprised MOTD didn't show or comment on Konsa grappling with Gray on the edge of the box just before we scored. Thought Ezri got away with one there.
These decisions always favour the big clubs, so a non story ;)
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Also if the Ings goal went in from that set-piece routine that would be up there for goal of the month. It wasn’t too far wide. If we can use him right Ings is some player.
Thought that was an unusual and very well-worked set piece especially the way Konsa drifted out wide before heading it across the box. One of MacPhee's innovations I presume.
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Also if the Ings goal went in from that set-piece routine that would be up there for goal of the month. It wasn’t too far wide. If we can use him right Ings is some player.
That was so good they should have awarded us a goal anyway.
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Great performance. We were brilliant once we took a defender off and brought an attacking player on... who would have guessed?
Hopefully Bailey isn't seriously injured and we can pick a proper formation next game.
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People still moaning about 5-3-2? 🤣
Yep, 3-5-2 was awful. Game changed 2 minutes after we switched formation.
I didn’t think we changed formation.
Bailey was a straight swap, in regards formation, for Targett.
It remained 3-5-2 as far as I could make out
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Re scoring direct from a corner: IIRC, Harry Burrows did it against Leyton Orient back in the sixties in the season that Orient made their only appearance in the first division.
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Brilliant performance and great result great day out again yesterday.
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People still moaning about 5-3-2? 🤣
Yep, 3-5-2 was awful. Game changed 2 minutes after we switched formation.
I didn’t think we changed formation.
Bailey was a straight swap, in regards formation, for Targett.
It remained 3-5-2 as far as I could make out
Nah, Mings went left back. Young then replaced Bailey as we went back to the non-scoring 5-3-2.
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People still moaning about 5-3-2? 🤣
Yep, 3-5-2 was awful. Game changed 2 minutes after we switched formation.
I didn’t think we changed formation.
Bailey was a straight swap, in regards formation, for Targett.
It remained 3-5-2 as far as I could make out
Nah, Mings went left back. Young then replaced Bailey as we went back to the non-scoring 5-3-2.
Smith said it was a straight swap so I'll go with him if you don't mind. Said he asked both full backs to stay really high and asked Mings and Konsa to bring the ball out. Bold move that pushed everton back and paid off.
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You think Bailey was playing left back? Yeah, okay mate. It was 0-0 with hardly any chances with five at the back. Battered them senseless with four at the back.
Get Bailey in and start with four at the back next game, please.
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No he was playing left of a middle 5. Apparently.
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Scintillating end to what was a very poor first half. A flash of brilliance from Matty Cash changed the game and the introduction of Leon Bailey who was absolutely superb.A much needed win with some extremely tough fixtures coming up.
Queue ridiculous at Half Time again and it wasn't just me who was frustrated by it. Told the chap behind me to contact the club because the more of us that do the better chance of seeing improvements
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It's a work of art at this stage.
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Watching it back on Sky. When the 2nd went in Konsa screamed in Godfreys face.
Proper shithouse.
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Cue ridiculous.
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You think Bailey was playing left back? Yeah, okay mate. It was 0-0 with hardly any chances with five at the back. Battered them senseless with four at the back.
Get Bailey in and start with four at the back next game, please.
It wasn’t 5 at the back, though, mate. It was always a 3-5-2 formation
Cash and Targett were pushing so high they could hardly be called full backs today.
Cash certainly didn’t change what he was doing when Bailey came on, so, as Dean said, it remained 3-5-2. Likewise when Young replaced Bailey.
I get you don’t like the 3 centre halves, but, for me, with the right personnel it’s a really flexible formation.
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You think Bailey was playing left back? Yeah, okay mate. It was 0-0 with hardly any chances with five at the back. Battered them senseless with four at the back.
Get Bailey in and start with four at the back next game, please.
It wasn’t 5 at the back, though, mate. It was always a 3-5-2 formation
Cash and Targett were pushing so high they could hardly be called full backs today.
Cash certainly didn’t change what he was doing when Bailey came on, so, as Dean said, it remained 3-5-2. Likewise when Young replaced Bailey.
I get you don’t like the 3 centre halves, but, for me, with the right personnel it’s a really flexible formation.
And in the second half Mings was given room to roam forward more, which made a big difference. It can be a very flexible and attacking formation. The challenge for Smith this year is to use the squad, which will mean using different formations. But yesterday it worked very well.
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You think Bailey was playing left back? Yeah, okay mate. It was 0-0 with hardly any chances with five at the back. Battered them senseless with four at the back.
Get Bailey in and start with four at the back next game, please.
It wasn’t 5 at the back, though, mate. It was always a 3-5-2 formation
Cash and Targett were pushing so high they could hardly be called full backs today.
Cash certainly didn’t change what he was doing when Bailey came on, so, as Dean said, it remained 3-5-2. Likewise when Young replaced Bailey.
I get you don’t like the 3 centre halves, but, for me, with the right personnel it’s a really flexible formation.
And in the second half Mings was given room to roam forward more, which made a big difference. It can be a very flexible and attacking formation. The challenge for Smith this year is to use the squad, which will mean using different formations. But yesterday it worked very well.
I think it had mixed results up until a tweak, which I thought was four at the back but more on here seem convinced was more what you describe. Whatever he did, it worked, and isn't that a really pleasing thing to say about Dean Smith?
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You think Bailey was playing left back? Yeah, okay mate. It was 0-0 with hardly any chances with five at the back. Battered them senseless with four at the back.
Get Bailey in and start with four at the back next game, please.
It wasn’t 5 at the back, though, mate. It was always a 3-5-2 formation
Cash and Targett were pushing so high they could hardly be called full backs today.
Cash certainly didn’t change what he was doing when Bailey came on, so, as Dean said, it remained 3-5-2. Likewise when Young replaced Bailey.
I get you don’t like the 3 centre halves, but, for me, with the right personnel it’s a really flexible formation.
It was neither three nor five at the back. We had four defenders on the pitch. Cash, Tuanzebe, Konsa and Mings. None of them were playing in midfield.
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It is a very different 352 when you change a solid left back to a £30m winger. And it did look like Mings shifted over to the left to plug the gap left by Bailey playing high and wide.
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You think Bailey was playing left back? Yeah, okay mate. It was 0-0 with hardly any chances with five at the back. Battered them senseless with four at the back.
Get Bailey in and start with four at the back next game, please.
It wasn’t 5 at the back, though, mate. It was always a 3-5-2 formation
Cash and Targett were pushing so high they could hardly be called full backs today.
Cash certainly didn’t change what he was doing when Bailey came on, so, as Dean said, it remained 3-5-2. Likewise when Young replaced Bailey.
I get you don’t like the 3 centre halves, but, for me, with the right personnel it’s a really flexible formation.
It was neither three nor five at the back. We had four defenders on the pitch. Cash, Tuanzebe, Konsa and Mings. None of them were playing in midfield.
Yes, but neither Cash or Targett were playing fullback roles. Yes, they both defended at times, but there’s no way on Earth that either were playing traditional fullback roles, which would, incidentally, have made it 5 at the back. Surely you could see that?
Dean actually said that because Cash and Targett were playing so high it enabled them to stick to the same formation when Bailey and Young came on.
I don’t suppose we’ll ever agree, though.
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They were full backs who got forward, just as they often do when we play four at the back, just as Cash scored when we had switched to four at the back.
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Great to see we have a good number of options and formations available.
Going to be an interesting season.
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I thought Nakamba did a more than decent job after he came on.
Nakamba was excellent today. Ramsey’s progression is clear - he’s looking better on and off the ball.
Ramsey is clearly a good athlete and turns with the ball very well but I didn't think he was great yesterday. Took the wrong option with the ball a lot including that great chance when 2 up. Thought Luiz misplaced a lot of passes too, despite one that mattered for the first goal. I'm not a Nakamba fan but he did well, no doubt about it. I like having a midfield three though, good balance to it.
Deano made an interesting comment post game in that he didn't switch to a back 4 when Bailey came up, just that they noticed Targett was playing very high up the pitch and thought it would be better to get a more natural wide option on there. Surprised Benitez didn't spot that and move Gray over there as I don't think running back to his own goal will be Baileys forte.
I've been an advocate of trying 352 on occasion but I don't think we looked suited to it yesterday. I thought Gray (who was excellent) and Rondon (in the first half) caused our back 3 a lot more problems than they should have. Tuanzebe was like an unnecessary spare man for most of the game. Targett was lost at LWB and the front two played as individuals, poorly in Watkins case. With four decent wide options on the bench it makes no sense to play wing backs for home games.
This is quite a sobering anslysis, but despite the fact im still on a high, in the cold light of day I find myself agreeing with a lot of it.
I think Ramsey and Luiz did ok for most of the game and they were trying through balls most of which didnt come off, but they were trying and Luizs pass for Cash’s goal was sublime. I would be inclined to let Ramsey off with the miss as he essentially made the chance himself (and we were already 2-0 up).
I thought Ings played really well yesterday and Watkins had a bit of an off day, but kept at it as he does. The press from both of them near the end when they Mina in sheer panic was superb and maybe a glimpse of whats to come.
In terms of the formation, i think Smith has used it the last two games, partly to match up to the same formation as the opposition and partly to accommodate Ings and Watkins. I dont believe he’ll choose it every week and we did look like we were struggling to break Everton down, although the players and wing backs in particular had only had a couple of games at it, so need time to get used to it i guess. For a start im presuming Tuanzebe can’t play against his parent club next Saturday, i cant see him shoehorning Hause into a 3 just to maintain the same formation. So i think we’ll go to a 433 against man u, if Baileys fit, very exciting to think of a 3 of him, Watkins and Ings.
Be interesting to see what we do in the cup at Chelsea on Wednesday, id like us to play a string side to at least have a go at getting through. So many options now, very exciting times
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Well, we have one formation that we never score when playing, so I'll be happy if we ditch that option, thanks.
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Many neutral arbiters who were at the game seem to agree we were still playing it when we scored three, so *shrug*.
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One problem with the system is that the creativity has to come from the full backs, the crossing and final passes from Cash and Target were not great, I would much rather see Buendia, Bailey or Traore in the attacking situations than full backs.
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One problem with the system is that the creativity has to come from the full backs, the crossing and final passes from Cash and Target were not great, I would much rather see Buendia, Bailey or Traore in the attacking situations than full backs.
Did you not see the ball from Ings and the one from Luiz yesterday?
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You think Bailey was playing left back? Yeah, okay mate. It was 0-0 with hardly any chances with five at the back. Battered them senseless with four at the back.
Get Bailey in and start with four at the back next game, please.
It wasn’t 5 at the back, though, mate. It was always a 3-5-2 formation
Cash and Targett were pushing so high they could hardly be called full backs today.
Cash certainly didn’t change what he was doing when Bailey came on, so, as Dean said, it remained 3-5-2. Likewise when Young replaced Bailey.
I get you don’t like the 3 centre halves, but, for me, with the right personnel it’s a really flexible formation.
It was neither three nor five at the back. We had four defenders on the pitch. Cash, Tuanzebe, Konsa and Mings. None of them were playing in midfield.
The game I saw Cash was playing in midfield-or wingback if you prefer.
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One problem with the system is that the creativity has to come from the full backs, the crossing and final passes from Cash and Target were not great, I would much rather see Buendia, Bailey or Traore in the attacking situations than full backs.
Agreed. Very poor final ball.This was really the biggest disappointment up to the goal.
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Many neutral arbiters who were at the game seem to agree we were still playing it when we scored three, so *shrug*.
Many neutral arbiters listen to Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust neutral arbiters.
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Many neutral arbiters who were at the game seem to agree we were still playing it when we scored three, so *shrug*.
Many neutral arbiters listen to Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust neutral arbiters.
When renaming the North Stand we should send a powerful political message, like 'free the paedos'.
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I'll tell you what, that crack is really moreish.
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They were full backs who got forward, just as they often do when we play four at the back, just as Cash scored when we had switched to four at the back.
Ok
If you say so, it obviously was. 🙄🤯
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They were full backs who got forward, just as they often do when we play four at the back, just as Cash scored when we had switched to four at the back.
Ok
If you say so, it obviously was. 🙄🤯
He is of course correct, you do realise this don't you?
I'm going to be magnanimous, and say the 3 centre backs allowed us to create the artistry later on that a proper formation allowed. You've got to build a ditch before you can build a palace so, you know.
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They were full backs who got forward, just as they often do when we play four at the back, just as Cash scored when we had switched to four at the back.
Ok
If you say so, it obviously was. 🙄🤯
He is of course correct, you do realise this don't you?
I'm going to be magnanimous, and say the 3 centre backs allowed us to create the artistry later on that a proper formation allowed. You've got to build a ditch before you can build a palace so, you know.
I disagree with LeeB. It feels strange.
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They were full backs who got forward, just as they often do when we play four at the back, just as Cash scored when we had switched to four at the back.
Ok
If you say so, it obviously was. 🙄🤯
He is of course correct, you do realise this don't you?
I'm going to be magnanimous, and say the 3 centre backs allowed us to create the artistry later on that a proper formation allowed. You've got to build a ditch before you can build a palace so, you know.
I disagree with LeeB. It feels strange.
That feeling is your soul being ripped from you, as you've joined the heathen ranks.
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Not Percy. I thought we could trust him. ☹
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We didn't change formation. Mings wasn't at left back, but the wing backs pushed on a lot higher second half.
My initial thought was Bailey would go to make a ye olde 442, but we didn't. Not that we did much defending after he came on, but there was a brief occasion where he tracked into cover and proceeded ro beat his man too.
Smith confirmed this; he said Targett was playing so high that it would benefit us to play Bailey down the left.
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Did he scratch his chin while saying that?
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Not Percy. I thought we could trust him. ☹
I know mate, troubling times.
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Some late thoughts on yesterday’s game.
Firstly, Villa Park full was absolutely majestic. Not only did it look beautiful, it sounded superb.
There is no better place in football when the the place is rocking that that.
I thought Dougie looked back to his best. He gave the ball away a couple of times and mis-controlled a couple but on the whole he was mobile, combative and kept things ticking over.
Have Martinez back was a huge boost, he just oozes confidence and class.
I’m still not convinced with trying to shoehorn Ings and Ollie into the same team. They aren’t a ‘partnership’ although one may develop, but I just think they are crowding out the striker position.
Overall a very good day and there is a decent squad developing. It’s now down to Smith to find the best team and formation from it.
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What was the attendance please?
A joy to watch.
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What was the attendance please?
A joy to watch.
41,888 I think
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What was the attendance please?
A joy to watch.
41,888 I think
Many thanks Andy.
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Our formation didn’t change, theirs did. They seemed to pretty much retreat into midfield after Rondon went off which meant that for the last half an hour the wing backs had hardly ant defending to do. A team with good wide players can force the formation to become negative as you end up with a permanent back 5 but this clearly didn’t happen yesterday.
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Myself and Fingers; of this parish, were discussing the formation at some length and decided that we hadn’t got a clue; I hope that helps?
Great that so many names are being thrown into the hat for MOM, close between Mings and Ramsey for me.
Thought it was a Southgateesq performance, solid, functional and a little dull for an hour; then let the shackles off.
My first game back and I absolutely loved it
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Less enjoyable was my daughter head butting me when we scored the first. Quite painful now that the adrenaline has worn off.
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Edit... Wrong Thread
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Reckon Everton fans are in for a rough couple of years.
I was reading through one of their forums after the game yesterday and they seem to have neatly divided themselves into half who hate Benitez and everything about him, and half who think he's a good manager for their current situation.
It's like a pitched battle which is going to see them yelling at each other all the time, regardless of how the team does.
The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
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An Everton fan outside was telling ‘us’ that we were the ‘worst fans in the world’ which was a bit rich as after the third the away end was so sparsely populated in looked like SHA has been playing
Strange lot Everton, turn up in big numbers but don’t make much of a noise and don’t seem to really enjoy the day.
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Noticed them far less than I did Newcastle or Brentford fans, though that may be just because Villa Park seemed louder yesterday.
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The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
A bit like here then...
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An Everton fan outside was telling ‘us’ that we were the ‘worst fans in the world’ which was a bit rich as after the third the away end was so sparsely populated in looked like SHA has been playing
Strange lot Everton, turn up in big numbers but don’t make much of a noise and don’t seem to really enjoy the day.
Then thought of having to go back to Liverpool would make me depressed as well.
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An Everton fan outside was telling ‘us’ that we were the ‘worst fans in the world’ which was a bit rich as after the third the away end was so sparsely populated in looked like SHA has been playing
Strange lot Everton, turn up in big numbers but don’t make much of a noise and don’t seem to really enjoy the day.
Then thought of having to go back to Liverpool would make me depressed as well.
*shudder*
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I like Liverpool, the city. There, I’ve said it
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The only thing I've ever heard from them in nearly 40 years is "Everton, Everton, Everton....".
For a set of fans as Dave pointed out so well read, they're lyrically moribund. Perhaps it's beneath them, and instead discuss existentialism between themselves during the game.
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I like Liverpool, the city. There, I’ve said it
Ive had some great nights out in Liverpool, much prefer it to Manchester
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The only thing I've ever heard from them in nearly 40 years is "Everton, Everton, Everton....".
For a set of fans as Dave pointed out so well read, they're lyrically moribund. Perhaps it's beneath them, and instead discuss existentialism between themselves during the game.
I was on the train from New St to Witton yesterday and a group of Everton fans were in boisterous mood. They were singing non stop and had a good repertoire of songs, including some for individual players. Then inside the ground they only sing that Everton Everton Everton song, which I just about hear once or twice from my seat in the Upper Holte.
Re us, I thought we were decidedly average for an hour and we lacked any kind of urgency. Cash was my M O M for his willingness to drive forward, capped by a lovely goal. On the opposite flank I think Targett is often too slow to fire his cross over, and a good number of them are blocked. After Cash, for those who were on the pitch for an hour or so, I would single out Nakamba as I thought he read the game well, kept possession and did a passable impression of NKante. Bailey obviously had a wonderful cameo.
I' don't yet sense signs of a partnership between Ings and Watkins, though it is obviously early days.
Atmosphere for 10-15 minutes in the second half was joyously raucous. No better place in the world when it is rocking like that.
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I'll tell you what, that crack is really moreish.
The secret ingredient is crime.
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The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
A bit like here then...
Yup, but with the added poison of half the posters here having a hatred of Dean Smith just because he was Dean Smith.
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The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
A bit like here then...
Yup, but with the added poison of half the posters here having a hatred of Dean Smith just because he was Dean Smith.
As opposed to just that Kestzer bloke on here.
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One problem with the system is that the creativity has to come from the full backs, the crossing and final passes from Cash and Target were not great, I would much rather see Buendia, Bailey or Traore in the attacking situations than full backs.
Targett got in some very good positions but his crossing was really poor, same v Brentford so could make sense for Young to play there whenever we do 3-5-2 next as he has more recent experience of playing it.
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We have scored some quality goals so far this season. 2 yesterday, McGinn at Watford, Buendia vs Brentford and of course Ings vs Newcastle.
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Reckon Everton fans are in for a rough couple of years.
I was reading through one of their forums after the game yesterday and they seem to have neatly divided themselves into half who hate Benitez and everything about him, and half who think he's a good manager for their current situation.
It's like a pitched battle which is going to see them yelling at each other all the time, regardless of how the team does.
The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
Rafa going to be their McLeish really.
Pretty sure in TSM season we started the season about 7-8 unbeaten and were top half until December but it was never really convincing despite fans remaning patient. Then everything exploded on that night v Bolton, same will happen at Goodison at some point around March.
They were missing key players tbf yesterday as Coleman, Pickford, Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison would've all started if fit so big chunk of first 11 to take out (although we've made Everton teams with those in it pretty average in last two seasons).
Feels though once Gray and Townsend go off the boil they'll have next to no creativity and their defence really isn't good at all if you run at them as we showed second half yesterday.
They're just treading water until they move into the new stadium and perhaps then they'll spend decent amount again.
Club we should be finishing above this season.
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One problem with the system is that the creativity has to come from the full backs, the crossing and final passes from Cash and Target were not great, I would much rather see Buendia, Bailey or Traore in the attacking situations than full backs.
Targett got in some very good positions but his crossing was really poor, same v Brentford so could make sense for Young to play there whenever we do 3-5-2 next as he has more recent experience of playing it.
After last season, I became a Targett fan but what's going on with him this season, is he injured or playing his way back to match fitness? He's no where near the player he was last season, right now he looks more like his first season. His crossing was pathetic yesterday, Cash's not much better, but one half decent cross all game reflects poorly on Dean's tactics and selection, especially with Young sitting on the bench. Fortunately he got there in the end but it was obvious from the 10th minute we needed a winger on the pitch.
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One problem with the system is that the creativity has to come from the full backs, the crossing and final passes from Cash and Target were not great, I would much rather see Buendia, Bailey or Traore in the attacking situations than full backs.
Targett got in some very good positions but his crossing was really poor, same v Brentford so could make sense for Young to play there whenever we do 3-5-2 next as he has more recent experience of playing it.
After last season, I became a Targett fan but what's going on with him this season, is he injured or playing his way back to match fitness? He's no where near the player he was last season, right now he looks more like his first season. His crossing was pathetic yesterday, Cash's not much better, but one half decent cross all game reflects poorly on Dean's tactics and selection, especially with Young sitting on the bench. Fortunately he got there in the end but it was obvious from the 10th minute we needed a winger on the pitch.
Pretty obvious what’s happened to Targett really.
As he gets to grips with someone new in front of him, hopefully he’ll get back to those standards.
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Bailey’s goal was like Geoff Hurst’s in ‘66
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Bailey’s goal was like Geoff Hurst’s in ‘66
Bailey's crossed the line.
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Bailey’s goal was like Geoff Hurst’s in ‘66
Bailey's crossed the line.
Presumed Chico meant “they think it’s all over one…”
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Yup, but with the added poison of half the posters here having a hatred of Dean Smith just because he was Dean Smith.
On their forum they used to refer to Villa fans as 'Deans' which I assume wasn't meant as a compliment. They (and Liverpool fans) also seem to think they've walked off the catwalk in Milan whilst Brummies are still wearing flares i.e. view us in the same way as some here view people from Wolverhampton.
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Reckon Everton fans are in for a rough couple of years.
I was reading through one of their forums after the game yesterday and they seem to have neatly divided themselves into half who hate Benitez and everything about him, and half who think he's a good manager for their current situation.
It's like a pitched battle which is going to see them yelling at each other all the time, regardless of how the team does.
The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
Rafa going to be their McLeish really.
Pretty sure in TSM season we started the season about 7-8 unbeaten and were top half until December but it was never really convincing despite fans remaning patient. Then everything exploded on that night v Bolton, same will happen at Goodison at some point around March.
They were missing key players tbf yesterday as Coleman, Pickford, Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison would've all started if fit so big chunk of first 11 to take out (although we've made Everton teams with those in it pretty average in last two seasons).
Feels though once Gray and Townsend go off the boil they'll have next to no creativity and their defence really isn't good at all if you run at them as we showed second half yesterday.
They're just treading water until they move into the new stadium and perhaps then they'll spend decent amount again.
Club we should be finishing above this season.
Yup, I was going to make that comparison except that (unless my memory is playing tricks on me) McLeish didn't really divide anyone. It was just varying degrees of how bad it was - ranging from dull and underwhelming, but a pretty decent bloke to The Worst Thing In The World.
I imagine that if there had been a significant portion of Villa fans at that time who thought he was a world-class manager that we were lucky to have (along with the prospect of him staying for quite a long time) the arguments on here would have ended with actual bloodshed.
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Reckon Everton fans are in for a rough couple of years.
I was reading through one of their forums after the game yesterday and they seem to have neatly divided themselves into half who hate Benitez and everything about him, and half who think he's a good manager for their current situation.
It's like a pitched battle which is going to see them yelling at each other all the time, regardless of how the team does.
The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
Rafa going to be their McLeish really.
Pretty sure in TSM season we started the season about 7-8 unbeaten and were top half until December but it was never really convincing despite fans remaning patient. Then everything exploded on that night v Bolton, same will happen at Goodison at some point around March.
They were missing key players tbf yesterday as Coleman, Pickford, Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison would've all started if fit so big chunk of first 11 to take out (although we've made Everton teams with those in it pretty average in last two seasons).
Feels though once Gray and Townsend go off the boil they'll have next to no creativity and their defence really isn't good at all if you run at them as we showed second half yesterday.
They're just treading water until they move into the new stadium and perhaps then they'll spend decent amount again.
Club we should be finishing above this season.
Yup, I was going to make that comparison except that (unless my memory is playing tricks on me) McLeish didn't really divide anyone. It was just varying degrees of how bad it was - ranging from dull and underwhelming, but a pretty decent bloke to The Worst Thing In The World.
I imagine that if there had been a significant portion of Villa fans at that time who thought he was a world-class manager that we were lucky to have (along with the prospect of him staying for quite a long time) the arguments on here would have ended with actual bloodshed.
I would say the difference is Rafa is a good manager Big eck wasn't hence we didn't want him
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Reckon Everton fans are in for a rough couple of years.
I was reading through one of their forums after the game yesterday and they seem to have neatly divided themselves into half who hate Benitez and everything about him, and half who think he's a good manager for their current situation.
It's like a pitched battle which is going to see them yelling at each other all the time, regardless of how the team does.
The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
Rafa going to be their McLeish really.
Pretty sure in TSM season we started the season about 7-8 unbeaten and were top half until December but it was never really convincing despite fans remaning patient. Then everything exploded on that night v Bolton, same will happen at Goodison at some point around March.
They were missing key players tbf yesterday as Coleman, Pickford, Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison would've all started if fit so big chunk of first 11 to take out (although we've made Everton teams with those in it pretty average in last two seasons).
Feels though once Gray and Townsend go off the boil they'll have next to no creativity and their defence really isn't good at all if you run at them as we showed second half yesterday.
They're just treading water until they move into the new stadium and perhaps then they'll spend decent amount again.
Club we should be finishing above this season.
Yup, I was going to make that comparison except that (unless my memory is playing tricks on me) McLeish didn't really divide anyone. It was just varying degrees of how bad it was - ranging from dull and underwhelming, but a pretty decent bloke to The Worst Thing In The World.
I imagine that if there had been a significant portion of Villa fans at that time who thought he was a world-class manager that we were lucky to have (along with the prospect of him staying for quite a long time) the arguments on here would have ended with actual bloodshed.
When Benitez was appointed I looked on one of their forums (Grand old team?) and there were loads of boycott threads so 90% of their fanbase weren't having him. Seems he got a decent reception first match and they've given him a chance so similar to what McLeish got for first few months despite what the press would have you believe since of his reign e.g. we were booing him from the start.
Just feels like an appointment that isn't destined to work despite him still being a pretty good manager. If we'd appointed a Benitez type manager from any point from May 2011 then we wouldn't have had that decade of pain as he's a decent strategist as he showed at Newcastle.
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Reckon Everton fans are in for a rough couple of years.
I was reading through one of their forums after the game yesterday and they seem to have neatly divided themselves into half who hate Benitez and everything about him, and half who think he's a good manager for their current situation.
It's like a pitched battle which is going to see them yelling at each other all the time, regardless of how the team does.
The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
Rafa going to be their McLeish really.
Pretty sure in TSM season we started the season about 7-8 unbeaten and were top half until December but it was never really convincing despite fans remaning patient. Then everything exploded on that night v Bolton, same will happen at Goodison at some point around March.
They were missing key players tbf yesterday as Coleman, Pickford, Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison would've all started if fit so big chunk of first 11 to take out (although we've made Everton teams with those in it pretty average in last two seasons).
Feels though once Gray and Townsend go off the boil they'll have next to no creativity and their defence really isn't good at all if you run at them as we showed second half yesterday.
They're just treading water until they move into the new stadium and perhaps then they'll spend decent amount again.
Club we should be finishing above this season.
Yup, I was going to make that comparison except that (unless my memory is playing tricks on me) McLeish didn't really divide anyone. It was just varying degrees of how bad it was - ranging from dull and underwhelming, but a pretty decent bloke to The Worst Thing In The World.
I imagine that if there had been a significant portion of Villa fans at that time who thought he was a world-class manager that we were lucky to have (along with the prospect of him staying for quite a long time) the arguments on here would have ended with actual bloodshed.
I would say the difference is Rafa is a good manager Big eck wasn't hence we didn't want him
Well, yes. That's the whole point.
It's the McLeish situation but with the added friction of lots people actually wanting him to be Everton manager.
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Bailey’s goal was like Geoff Hurst’s in ‘66
Bailey's crossed the line.
Presumed Chico meant “they think it’s all over one…”
Thank you, Mr Logic. ;)
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Great day out for me yesterday, took my 8 year old nephew to his first game. His dad is a plastic scouser but I'm hoping Villa can at least be a strong second team for him. Celebrating the Cash goal with him in awe of the celebrations has gone straight into my top 10 fan moments. At 3-0 he turned to me and said 'we are definitely going to win now aren't we?' and I said yes and to enjoy it because we can't always say that with 10 minutes to go.
Performance wise I thought Cash was outstanding obviously and I loved the determination Ings showed to influence the game. Bailey is going to be so exciting if we can keep him fit. My MOTM was Nakamba though, did he lose possession once? When he is playing well he just locks up that space in front of the defence and lets the other midfielders express themselves, and he was confident enough to not always just play the easiest pass. I'd keep him in for United on Saturday.
Tactically I am a little concerned about this 532/352, mainly because Watkins isn't getting in the game and Targett seems to be struggling without a winger next to him. We kept a lot of clean sheets with the trio of Martinez, Konsa and Mings last season, maybe we won't need them to excel as much with the extra defender but it does seem like an unnecessary sacrifice of an attacking player. Hopefully we will mix it up and see plenty of 433 action too especially once Bailey is fit to start.
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Hope your nephew gad a great day caster.
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Honestly CH III why can't you come up with your own comments. I will accept payment by the way of a pint of sherbet next time we meet ;)
Bailey’s goal was like Geoff Hurst’s in ‘66
His goal had that bit of Geoff Hurst's they think it's all over.... magic.
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Bailey’s goal was like Geoff Hurst’s in ‘66
Bailey's crossed the line.
Presumed Chico meant “they think it’s all over one…”
Thank you, Mr Logic. ;)
You’re welcome, obviously I assumed you were too young to remember it.
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Great stream yesterday. VP came across as really loud. I was at the same fixture last time we had crowds (when Jota put Wesley through for a rare goal and El Ghazi got the second) and it seemed like that type of atmosphere.
There seemed to be less fannying about at the back, which allowed us to get the fuckers on the back foot. Three great goals. I'd have loved to have been there.
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Reckon Everton fans are in for a rough couple of years.
I was reading through one of their forums after the game yesterday and they seem to have neatly divided themselves into half who hate Benitez and everything about him, and half who think he's a good manager for their current situation.
It's like a pitched battle which is going to see them yelling at each other all the time, regardless of how the team does.
The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
Rafa going to be their McLeish really.
Pretty sure in TSM season we started the season about 7-8 unbeaten and were top half until December but it was never really convincing despite fans remaning patient. Then everything exploded on that night v Bolton, same will happen at Goodison at some point around March.
They were missing key players tbf yesterday as Coleman, Pickford, Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison would've all started if fit so big chunk of first 11 to take out (although we've made Everton teams with those in it pretty average in last two seasons).
Feels though once Gray and Townsend go off the boil they'll have next to no creativity and their defence really isn't good at all if you run at them as we showed second half yesterday.
They're just treading water until they move into the new stadium and perhaps then they'll spend decent amount again.
Club we should be finishing above this season.
Everton arguably were just getting on top before we scored the first but they are very poor. I'm not sure what more Benitez is meant to do with them. Have spent no money and dealing with the consequences of giving manager after manager before him a blank chequebook. Still have likes of Rodriguez, Delph, Tosun, Sigurddson? on the payroll...another bomb squad. They spent about 30m on that Iwobi and he must be one of the worst attacking players in the division.
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Or as their forum put it, they've spent £500m over the last half a dozen seasons and have their best centre back at right back, Salomon Rondon up front, Andros Townsend on the wing and nothing on the bench but academy players.
That's our-first-season-in-The-Championship levels of financial screw-ups.
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Or as their forum put it, they've spent £500m over the last half a dozen seasons and have their best centre back at right back, Salomon Rondon up front, Andros Townsend on the wing and nothing on the bench but academy players.
That's our-first-season-in-The-Championship levels of financial screw-ups.
You love to see it. At other clubs.
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Or as their forum put it, they've spent £500m over the last half a dozen seasons and have their best centre back at right back, Salomon Rondon up front, Andros Townsend on the wing and nothing on the bench but academy players.
That's our-first-season-in-The-Championship levels of financial screw-ups.
And they've spent about £60m in paying off managers.
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Or as their forum put it, they've spent £500m over the last half a dozen seasons and have their best centre back at right back, Salomon Rondon up front, Andros Townsend on the wing and nothing on the bench but academy players.
That's our-first-season-in-The-Championship levels of financial screw-ups.
You love to see it. At other clubs.
In true Kevin Keegan style, I’d love to see it at Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City, really love it.
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Sorry if this is a dim question... what formation did we go to when Targett came off. I presume Bailley was an out and out winger so who was right full/wing back? I appreciate this outs me as a non real fan as I cannot travel 60 miles each way to VP in my current fiscal and familial circumstances and won't touch Sky with a bargepole even if Villa are on it.
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Hope your nephew gad a great day caster.
He did thanks. I’ve learned a pro tip for the young ones… ear plugs! It was a bit loud for him at times, that was the only issue. Great that the ground was rocking though of course.
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Or as their forum put it, they've spent £500m over the last half a dozen seasons and have their best centre back at right back, Salomon Rondon up front, Andros Townsend on the wing and nothing on the bench but academy players.
That's our-first-season-in-The-Championship levels of financial screw-ups.
You love to see it. At other clubs.
Particularly Everton and Spurs. Don't know why, but I've always had an irrational dislike of those two.
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Sorry if this is a dim question... what formation did we go to when Targett came off. I presume Bailley was an out and out winger so who was right full/wing back? I appreciate this outs me as a non real fan as I cannot travel 60 miles each way to VP in my current fiscal and familial circumstances and won't touch Sky with a bargepole even if Villa are on it.
Well that depends on who you ask…
Round 193 of was we playing 532 / 352 / 433 debate!
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To be honest Mike, I had no idea what we was playing be we certainly battered them for a twenty minute spell.
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Reckon Everton fans are in for a rough couple of years.
I was reading through one of their forums after the game yesterday and they seem to have neatly divided themselves into half who hate Benitez and everything about him, and half who think he's a good manager for their current situation.
It's like a pitched battle which is going to see them yelling at each other all the time, regardless of how the team does.
The team meanwhile will always finish between 7th-11th, so nowhere near good enough to win over those that hate him, and nowhere near bad enough to warrant getting rid of him.
Could be worse obviously, but they're basically just in for a few years everyone shouting at everyone else, with no room for nuance.
Rafa going to be their McLeish really.
Pretty sure in TSM season we started the season about 7-8 unbeaten and were top half until December but it was never really convincing despite fans remaning patient. Then everything exploded on that night v Bolton, same will happen at Goodison at some point around March.
They were missing key players tbf yesterday as Coleman, Pickford, Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison would've all started if fit so big chunk of first 11 to take out (although we've made Everton teams with those in it pretty average in last two seasons).
Feels though once Gray and Townsend go off the boil they'll have next to no creativity and their defence really isn't good at all if you run at them as we showed second half yesterday.
They're just treading water until they move into the new stadium and perhaps then they'll spend decent amount again.
Club we should be finishing above this season.
Everton arguably were just getting on top before we scored the first but they are very poor. I'm not sure what more Benitez is meant to do with them. Have spent no money and dealing with the consequences of giving manager after manager before him a blank chequebook. Still have likes of Rodriguez, Delph, Tosun, Sigurddson? on the payroll...another bomb squad. They spent about 30m on that Iwobi and he must be one of the worst attacking players in the division.
Yes Iwobi is one of those all fart and no s*** types....Sigurdsson is errmm "unavailable until further notice" and didn't even know Delph and Tosun were still actually there.
Calvert Lewin and Richarlison would've certainly given them more threat on the counter attack though so good time to play them with all their injuries. But then likes of Watford and Brentford would say the same about us.
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Watching the replay Danny Ings vision to spot Bailey and then the execution of the pass was pure brilliance.
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Watching the replay Danny Ings vision to spot Bailey and then the execution of the pass was pure brilliance.
agreed and went unnoticed by most media outlets
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Watching the replay Danny Ings vision to spot Bailey and then the execution of the pass was pure brilliance.
agreed and went unnoticed by most media outlets
...and a portion of our fans who commented that Ings was poor at the weekend?! Certainly watching a different game to me!
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Yes, a wonderful ball from Danny for the third goal. He almost scored another 'worldy' from that brilliant free-kick move in the first-half.
He and Ollie haven't quite struck up a partnership yet, which might be behind the adverse comments.