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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on September 18, 2021, 04:30:26 PM
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It would be awesome to be on 7 points later today
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FUCK OFF. 😡
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Dont like sticking with the 3-5-2, different circumstances to last week.
Fucking come on Villa.
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Its selections like this that really frustrate me about Smith. Shite team selection
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5 3 2 I hope this isn’t the way we go this season.
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Interesting.
I hope we get 2 or 3 up and then revert to a back four, so that we can see Bailey, Ings and Watkins together upfront.
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I was wondering how Bailey, Buendia and Traore were going to be integrated in the team. I suppose I got my answer...play none of them!
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Dont like sticking with the 3-5-2, different circumstances to last week.
Fucking come on Villa.
That's my instinct too. I know they played well, but I thought the point was to break out of Dean's predictability problem - and presumably, also not to have 60m (and 2/3rds of a Grealish) worth of attackers in the bench.
Ah well, 'mon the Villa!
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I just don't get it.
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It's 1996 all over again. Let's see if 5-3-2 works nowadays...
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Oh. Targett injured?
No he is playing (below Ramsey on the team list)
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Misread that line-up somewhat. 3-5-2 or 5-3-2?
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It looks like the system is designed to accommodate Ings.
So much for not having to fit him in then.
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Is Targett Injured? I hope not he is in the starting 11.
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Misread that line-up somewhat. 3-5-2 or 5-3-2?
if it works it’s 3 at the back, when it doesn’t it’s 5
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5-3-2 don’t get it. Get Bailey in.
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Hopefully this is just our preferred way to play when we're up against a team playing three centre backs. Otherwise, that's a lot of money sat on the bench!
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I really wanted to see Bailey play.
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Win please.
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When is Sanson going to be fit?
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Hopefully this is just our preferred way to play when we're up against a team playing three centre backs. Otherwise, that's a lot of money sat on the bench!
We are at home, I think we should be making teams worry about us.
As you say a lot of talent on the bench.
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When is Sanson going to be fit?
When he moves
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Hopefully this is just our preferred way to play when we're up against a team playing three centre backs. Otherwise, that's a lot of money sat on the bench!
Are Everton playing with 3 centre backs? Dean predicted yesterday they wouldn't.
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Yep. Mina Godfrey and Keane.
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That looks a weird team to put out. Let's see if it works.
Starting to worry about our new signings, especially Bailey.
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Our two most expensive players, two of the Grealish replacements sat on the bench then.
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When is Sanson going to be fit?
2022
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Came on here in the expectation of negativity , wasn’t disappointed. Give them a bloody chance !
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FUCK OFF. 😡
You’re not keen then? :-)
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5-3-2 didn't do us too bad in 1995/96
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We are at home, I think we should be making teams worry about us.
As you say a lot of talent on the bench.
Looks like it's to counter cautious Rafa but I agree with you and with Pickford, Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin out we should be going for it. If we're not winning 2nd half Bailey and Buendia on please with at least 35 mins to go.
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Far too early in the season for a "must win game". But I can't help feeling this is a "must win game".
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It’s a must win game.
Formation ok as long as we’re always getting plenty of players in front of the ball, certainly till we’re winning anyway.
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Wasn't this the formation that allowed us to get on top of Chelsea and create countless chances? Does it therefore follow that it's perhaps not a negative approach. Great options from the bench too.
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Yup, plenty of options to correct the error.
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Wasn't this the formation that allowed us to get on top of Chelsea and create countless chances? Does it therefore follow that it's perhaps not a negative approach. Great options from the bench too.
The onus will not be on Everton, as it was for Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, to come and break us down. So, it could well be a war of attrition.
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Well we need to embrace squad rotation so I'll put it down to that. Come on Villa!
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That's not how I saw the Chelsea game, our wing backs were very high, it wasn't a flat back five sitting deep.
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That's not how I saw the Chelsea game, our wing backs were very high, it wasn't a flat back five sitting deep.
Well let's hope it works today (and we get a good result this time too!)
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The form Gray and Townsend are in our wingbacks could be pushed right back turning that formation into one with about 8 defensive players, although reports are saying Gray will play as a 10 so god knows.
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Watching the players warm up, can’t see Bailey ?
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Are we playing today? Sky haven't mentioned us once. I quite like that. Pressure off.
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Its to match up everton, game changers on the bench
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I don't like 3 at the back and never will but I do like the amount of firepower on that bench. I just hope he's willing to make changes early enough to have an impact.
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Not a bad bench
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Came on here in the expectation of negativity , wasn’t disappointed. Give them a bloody chance !
Strange hobby. But whatever makes you smug.
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Muddled thinking from Deano I feel. Three centre halves on pitch, three wingers on bench.
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Plenty of decent options to choose from on the bench.
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.... and 16 minutes in to the programme, there is Sky's first mention of Jack Grealish...
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Where’s Sanson?
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Where’s Sanson?
Who?
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That Everton Line up looks crap, gotta be winning this.
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defensive shape has let them overload on Targett already, they're playing 442 so we need to boss the midfield.
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That Everton Line up looks crap, gotta be winning this.
Oo-er!
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Early warning from Rondon's movement there - and we had three centre backs and nobody behind them marking their midfielders.
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Corner. Set-piece magic!
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Unlucky big man, brilliant header and fantastic goalkeeping.
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Close by Mings…good save by the keeper
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Second corner was shite though.
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Our first corner was excellent, makes a nice change.
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We could do with a winger on the pitch.
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Fuck off with the fucking towel Matty! Jesus wept! All that frottage so you can throw it into the arms of their keeper. Fucking pointless.
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Ooooh!
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All the players look like they are smeared with iodine here
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Bloody hell. That was a massive let off. Cash giving it away didn't help.
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A bit distracted tonight as we have the dreaded sickness bug in our house and I’m spending the time looking after our youngest and trying to keep him out of the house.
But each time I look up, Ings seems to be doing something good. I’m guessing he’s sharper this week then?
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Boooo McGinn taking the knee mid match! I knew it was a slippery slope
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Our first corner was excellent, makes a nice change.
It's the McPhee effect!
Worried that Rondon will score being an ex-Baggie.
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Having a lot of joy on the wings which makes you wonder why the hell we dont have one on?
I find it unbelievable he hasnt started bailey today
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Having a lot of joy on the wings which makes you wonder why the hell we dont have one on?
I find it unbelievable he hasnt started bailey today
It annoys me when we are doing well, why we aren't doing better
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Watching us this season in the league has been tough work
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Mings magisterial
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Watching us this season in the league has been tough work
Not sure what game you’re watching.
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Mings has certainly been excellent so far in this game
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Bored.
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Cash should have dived then.
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Game opening up
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McGinn subbed.
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McGinn off…concussion, Nakamba on
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Watching us this season in the league has been tough work
Not sure what game you’re watching.
Watching us struggle to really break them down, playing with 5 defenders at home and with brilliant talent on the bench who could be adding that real creativity to get us in front.
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We're the better team without really creating anything so far (other than the Mings header). I'm not sure the 3rd centre half is adding anything and I think we look like we could do with a creative player in there.
Mcginn going off should have been a good time to change the shape but Smith has gone very negative so nakamba is coming on, that doesn't feel like the right call on the balance of the game so far.
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McGinn off…concussion, Nakamba on
Concussion?!
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SJM has been running the show until now. Massive loss. Shame his natural replacement, Sanson isn't available.
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mcginn coming off
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McGinn off, Nakamba on so we now have a back 5 and 2 defensive midfielders. Great.
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McGinn off…concussion, Nakamba on
Concussion?!
Yes, when Mings went close from a corner McGinn got a bang on the head
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We're the better team without really creating anything so far (other than the Mings header). I'm not sure the 3rd centre half is adding anything and I think we look like we could do with a creative player in there.
Mcginn going off should have been a good time to change the shape but Smith has gone very negative so nakamba is coming on, that doesn't feel like the right call on the balance of the game so far.
Yup. We're crying out for a winger as neither Targett or Cash are wing backs. I'd be looking to replace Targett at half time with Young.
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Solid half but we don't have a creative player who can make things happen. Well we do but they are on the bench.
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Cash and Targett are plenty good enough as attacking full-backs. Not quite, but nearly, good enough as attacking wing-backs.
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I’ve just had to read up on concussion subs - apparently they’re additional to the normal 3, but we grant Everton an additional normal sub.
Or that’s what I read?
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We're the better team without really creating anything so far (other than the Mings header). I'm not sure the 3rd centre half is adding anything and I think we look like we could do with a creative player in there.
Mcginn going off should have been a good time to change the shape but Smith has gone very negative so nakamba is coming on, that doesn't feel like the right call on the balance of the game so far.
Yup. We're crying out for a winger as neither Targett or Cash are wing backs. I'd be looking to replace Targett at half time with Young.
If it carries on with them just trying to play on the counter attack I'd consider bringing Bailey and Buendia on as the wing backs given we have 3 CBs and 2 DMs right now.
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I like to think we'll step up a gear in the second half.
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No service to Ings at all yet.
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Bailey and Traore on at halftime. Let’s change the dynamic totally.
McGinn is a loss. But given potential concussion, it’s totally the right move.
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Ings' main problem is that he has the brain of Dennis Bergkamp but the feet of Danny Ings.
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Absolutely dreadful from cash. No idea what he was dojng there
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well we ain't threatening Europe with this performance or system!!
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Get both Buendia and Bailey on at half time
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We're the better team without really creating anything so far (other than the Mings header). I'm not sure the 3rd centre half is adding anything and I think we look like we could do with a creative player in there.
Mcginn going off should have been a good time to change the shape but Smith has gone very negative so nakamba is coming on, that doesn't feel like the right call on the balance of the game so far.
Yup. We're crying out for a winger as neither Targett or Cash are wing backs. I'd be looking to replace Targett at half time with Young.
If it carries on with them just trying to play on the counter attack I'd consider bringing Bailey and Buendia on as the wing backs given we have 3 CBs and 2 DMs right now.
Why not. A bit pointless sticking with two 'wing backs' that can't cross to our two strikers. Knocking it down the channels for Ings and Watkins to chase seems so pointless which is what we'll be tonight if we don't change things around.
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well we ain't threatening Europe with this performance or system!!
We're not threatening Evertin, let alone Europe.
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Ings and Tuanzebe off and replaced by Trahore and Bailey.
Watkins and Ings together does not work.
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We been ok not great. We really dont need 3 cbs for this game so not sure why smith is playing 3 at the back.
Not impressed with ings. Getting annoyed and moaning alot.
Mings has been excellent and ramsey been good too
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Ings and Tuanzebe off and replaced by Trahore and Bailey.
Watkins and Ings together does not work.
I'd give them a bit of service before judging them.
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We're definitely the better team. We're solid and breaking forward just kissing the odd ball.
Nakamba on and holding with Luiz already looking to push forward.
Ings getting involved more.
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Lots of energy and getting into good positions but when we do, it's cash and targett rather than a more skilful attacker.
Signs that the set-pieces are improving though.
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They have their main strike force out, and ours are not getting the right service.
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Either stick with the formation and swap Buendia for Ramsey or Luiz, or change it to 4-3-3 and get Bailey on for Tuenzebe, Watkins wide.
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Huff and puff. Plenty of the ball, but all too predictable in attack. Losing McGinn was problem because he's already wasted a sub by bringing on a defensive player, to an already unimaginative line up.
There's too much attacking quality on the bench to be playing 5 defenders. There's no one in midfield with that eye of the needle pass and we've just lost our best of the three players.
It's all a bit Southgate for me, minus having Sterling/Kane up top. Ings has worked very hard but is being wasted. No one is on who'll pick him out or draw defenders away.
Mings has been very good today and hopefully keeps his head on.
When you have the run of games we have coming though, and we're at home to Everton, with only 4 points from our first 12...why aren't we being more adventurous? Dean isn't supposed to be this pragmatic a manager. When did he turn into Steve Bruce?
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Ramsey motm so far. Targett is shit. I can't believe he bought on Marvellous
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I'd have Buendia on at half-time for one of of 4th centre halves. There is zero guile on that pitch aside from Ings and he is too far up top to affect the game.
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As decent as we've been, Everton look the more likely to score. We'll only have ourselves to blame if they do.
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This has 80+ minute double substitution written all over it.
Come on Dean make it earlier and set us up for a stormer with Bailey & Buendia.
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Ramsey motm so far. Targett is shit. I can't believe he bought on Marvellous
Waste of a sub...moved Luiz from a position he was doing well and we didn't need another defensive player on...
I'd be looking to get Tuanzebe off and Buendia or Bailey on soon
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Get Ashley Young on now!
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Is Matt Targett deliberately plying shit??
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Bruceball
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Is Matt Targett deliberately plying shit??
I'm getting tourettes every time he passes the ball.
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All energy, no guile.
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Get Ashley Young on now!
Noooo. Bailey please
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Tedious
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Because we're mostly attacking, he won't change it even though the attacking is ineffective
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It's the wrong formation for today and it shouldn't be taking this long to change it
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Anyone can see you need wingers for this game
Ings is a paseenger, the full backs crossing hasnt been good enough
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Get Ashley Young on now!
Noooo. Bailey please
Both.
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Sort it out Dean!
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It's the wrong formation for today and it shouldn't be taking this long to change it
Bang on, picking this formation because it 'worked' against Chelsea was fucking stupid.
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Bailey and Archer.
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Harsh on Targett, he's playing like a full back being asked to play as a wing back and all his positioning is slightly off as a result so he's crossing from places he's not used to, etc.
To me we look like a team with good players and plenty of potential but out of shape. For all the positives Smith can see this is about 150minutes without scoring and not creating much in open play whilst our most creative players are sat watching.
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We know smith won’t change it before it’s too late
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It's the wrong formation for today and it shouldn't be taking this long to change it
Yep, horses for courses. The system today doesn't just weaken us in attack but in defence, as their strategy is to break into the spaces the formation is clearly leaving to incorporate a third man at the back.
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Still, at least we haven’t got Andros Townsend.
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Still, at least we haven’t got Andros Townsend.
The kiss of death
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This is going to end 0-0 or 1-0 to them if he doesn’t make a change soon
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What is he waiting for?? Get them on the pitch now!
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Anyone can see you need wingers for this game
Ings is a paseenger, the full backs crossing hasnt been good enough
It's been evident for ages so why so long for a change.
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This has 0-0 written all over it. Im going to finish cutting the lawn before it gets dark.
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Bailey for Targett
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Bailey !!
But for targett?? Who the hell is playing left back?
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Bailey left wing back?? Fucking hell
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Well. That’s bold.
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I don’t know if Dean Smith knows what he is doing right now. I can’t tell what this formation is and who is meant to be doing what.
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Bailey !!
But for targett?? Who the hell is playing left back?
Give it 15 minutes and Dean will take off Axel and bring on Young pushing Bailey further forward.
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Bailey left wing back?? Fucking hell
Mings has gone to left back.
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Fucking hell. Gray close. Should be 1-0. Terrible giveaway by Ollie
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This is a shambles.... And then we score lol
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Cashy!…get in!
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Fuuuuuuuuiicking hell
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Yessssss
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS CASHY
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Yesssssssss!!!!
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YESSSSSS!!!!!!!
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Lovely stuff.
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Matty fookin Cash!
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That was one hell of a strike
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Matty Matty Cash wow
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Fantastic pass from Luiz, took out the left back and centre half.
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Lovely move and great finish
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That was Huttonesque!
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What a finish
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One of the things I just noticed… when did a keeper ever join in with a celebration like that? Amazing to see Martinez getting involved in that celebration!!!
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Oh my god we finally go to the formation we've all wanted for hours and instantly score, how about that.
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Two!….OG!….
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Yessssssds
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2-0
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Get in!!
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Never ever show me 3--5-2 again!!!!!!!
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Yeeesssssssss!!!!!!!
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yessssssss Mings or Bailey or OG
Who cares
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Even lovelier stuff.
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Fantastic corner, so difficult to defend.
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Fcuk me…nearly three
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Great corner Bailey!
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We want 3!!!!!
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Almost Staunton-esque!
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Oooooh should be 3
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Wonderful stuff.
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Gutted for Ramsey, did brilliantly to make the chance.
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Can't remember the last time we scored direct from a corner. Fantastic stuff!!!!!!
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It’s clicking! It’s clicking!
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Cornalty for Villa!
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Why own goal? It was on target
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This has 0-0 written all over it. Im going to finish cutting the lawn before it gets dark.
That didn't age well.
I think I will go back and cut the lawn.
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Brilliant. Just brilliant. I'm out with an Evertonian later... 😁
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Bailey, the boy is special!
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I love Bailey!
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Bailey, the boy is special!
He's completely changed the game, should've been on at half time.
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Fuckin bailey isn unreal
Traore coming on
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Bailey, the boy is special!
He's completely changed the game, should've been on at half time.
Should have bloody started!
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Bert coming on
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3…… Bailey
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YESSSSSSSSSSSS 3-0 FUCK OFF BENITEZ
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Wow.
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Yessssssss
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Just getting better and better.
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What a fucking goal
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Fucking bosha!!!!!
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:'(Omg !!!!! Bailey !!!!!
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LOVE ITTTTTTT!!!!!!!
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Bailey really is special, has to start from now on.
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Bailey has arrived!
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Who’s Joe?
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Bailey is in the house. That speed. Amazing.
I love him even more now.
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That was an absolutely quality ball from Ings
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Boom Boom Bailey
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The benefits of having 3 30 million signings on the bench! I could get used to this!
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I hope they give him the 2nd under review, it was definitely on target when it took the flick so shouldn't be an own goal.
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Bailey is fucking brilliant
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Bailey is straight business.
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10 minutes ago this was going to be the last match on MOTD.
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Oh ffs
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Fucking hell Bailey fucked
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Fcuk me Bailey is down injured…must’ve hit that shot too hard
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Take him off. Don't risk him further.
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Hopefully just a dead leg?
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Have all 3 subs been made?
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I don’t think McGinn counts as concussion sub? Is this correct?
Everton have made their 4 now.
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Have all 3 subs been made?
We have 4 because McGinn was concussion
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Have all 3 subs been made?
McGinn was a concussion sub so we can make 4 in total.
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Have all 3 subs been made?
Think we get 4 if McGinn was concussion
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Have all 3 subs been made?
Mcginn didn't count
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Fuck sake
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Have all 3 subs been made?
I dont think the McGinn sub counts as one of the three subs
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And INSTANTLY injured. Which witch's cat did we run over?
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Just our luck. He'll probably be out for a month now.
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Hopefully taken off as a precaution
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Ah bawbag.
Hope it’s just a precaution.
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Hopefully it's just a dead leg, sensible to take him off, game is done.
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If it’s 0-0 he’d probably stay on. Right thing to do and hopefully is fine.
Ramsey has been brilliant today, Dougie not far behind him.
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He cant be too bad. He squeezed himself into the back row of the dugout no bags of icebor anything
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Now Cash off injured….
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Bertie coming on for Matty Cash
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Cash subbed, Traore on.
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Ffs... we need luck, not bad luck
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Amazingly strong bench isn’t it??
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We're like the bloody walking wounded.
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We’ve had plenty of good luck with this game. Everton missing 5 of their first teamers to injury.
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Jack who? Bailey is fucking 🔥
Hopefully its just a precaution but he was walkjbg on it so hopefully not a long injury. Have a feeling its a hamstring injury again
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Sort it out Dean!
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What a cracking game of football. We’re so good to watch when we want to be. Such an exciting team.
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Jack who? Bailey is fucking 🔥
Hopefully its just a precaution but he was walkjbg on it so hopefully not a long injury. Have a feeling its a hamstring injury again
Bailey himself said a tight quad from his goal!
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Matty Cash interview after the game - I had a dream!
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Matty Cash interview after the game - I had a dream!
More likely to be invoking Abba than MLK I'd say.