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Title: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: Swindonlad on August 05, 2021, 03:26:07 PM
Afternoon All

Thought I would pop on and have a look at your thoughts on the young lad we have loaned from you and it seems like we may have a gem on our hands. I thought if you wanted I would post how he is doing now and then for you and keep you updated. If it is against some forum rules or something my apologies.

Some exciting signings you guys have made this summer.

Good luck for the season
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2021, 03:29:04 PM
He’s a talent. One that we are looking forward to watching as he gets a bit older. Good luck for the season. We will be keeping an eye on you, hope you do well.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Rory on August 05, 2021, 03:29:05 PM
Hello mate. I know nothing about this kid, but welcome!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: CT on August 05, 2021, 03:31:32 PM
Afternoon All

Thought I would pop on and have a look at your thoughts on the young lad we have loaned from you and it seems like we may have a gem on our hands. I thought if you wanted I would post how he is doing now and then for you and keep you updated. If it is against some forum rules or something my apologies.

Some exciting signings you guys have made this summer.

Good luck for the season

He looks very decent to me mate. I actually thought he was good enough to back up Matty Cash this season, but this loan seems sensible.

Look after him!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2021, 03:32:08 PM
Congratulations on finding owners. Hope it works out all round.
Good luck in league 2.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Mister E on August 05, 2021, 03:32:59 PM
Afternoon All
Thought I would pop on and have a look at your thoughts on the young lad we have loaned from you and it seems like we may have a gem on our hands. I thought if you wanted I would post how he is doing now and then for you and keep you updated. If it is against some forum rules or something my apologies.
Some exciting signings you guys have made this summer.
Good luck for the season
KKH looks like a very good prospect.
I'm sure we'd love to hear your thoughts as the season progresses.
Good luck - you guys seem to need it with dodgy owners and poor finances.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Smithy on August 05, 2021, 03:35:21 PM
Welcome Swindonlad - yes, would be great to hear how he's getting on from time to time, if you don't mind popping by every now and again.

He's part of a group of youth products that the club has very high hopes for (we gave him a 5-year contract this summer).  Apart from the Liverpool FA Cup game (where he acquitted himself well), he's not had any real experience in what you might call first-team men's football (if you don't count U23 games), but he looked very promising indeed in the FA Youth Cup win last season.  Very tidy on the ball, and quite quick. Likes to attack, so very much in the mould of a modern full-back - but not really sure how Swindon play, so it might be you'll want him to behave differently to how he did for the teams here.

I'm always wary of very young defenders going out on loan, because a mistake due to inexperience in defence is far more costly than elsewhere on the pitch, but if he acclimatises well, then you'll have a real asset on your hands for the season ahead.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2021, 03:45:37 PM
Sorry to hear about your club's troubles. I still fondly recall goal-machine Fjortoft and the Robin's one season in the PL.

Was also sad to hear that Oasis Leisure Centre in Swindon has fallen victim to the pandemic and has closed permanently. It was the place Oasis took their name from. I also had tickets to see the Human League there next December (every other gig on their tour was seated. Eff that. Not all their fans are 60+ with shit hips).
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2021, 03:47:04 PM
The Human League, Eamonn?! I thought we had an understanding. This on top of the Grealish thing feels too much to take!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2021, 03:56:42 PM
Must be the Sheff in 'em. And the synths. Soz.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: brian green on August 05, 2021, 04:11:52 PM
Happy memories of Swindon.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: UK Redsox on August 05, 2021, 04:14:52 PM
Sorry to hear about your club's troubles. I still fondly recall goal-machine Fjortoft and the Robin's one season in the PL.

Was also sad to hear that Oasis Leisure Centre in Swindon has fallen victim to the pandemic and has closed permanently. It was the place Oasis took their name from. I also had tickets to see the Human League there next December (every other gig on their tour was seated. Eff that. Not all their fans are 60+ with shit hips).

As far as I'm concerned that's a good enough reason for any building to get nuked.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2021, 04:18:48 PM
Happy memories of Swindon.

Yes, my first away game.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Swindonlad on August 05, 2021, 04:33:01 PM
Cheers for the warm welcome guys. The Fjortoft and Oasis ones are still fond ones for me.

The good news for us is we have recently been taken over and the former owners who tried to put us out of business are now no longer in control or near the club so it is a really exciting time albeit in a poor league. The young lad has joined us now when the town is buzzing and we have something to look forward to again with a whole new management team also

Lets hope i am posting a few positive updates your way regarding him as the noises i am hearing is he is a real talent
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: dave shelley on August 05, 2021, 04:55:56 PM
Welcome Swindonlad.  I'm old enough to remember Don Rogers scoring two goals in extra time to beat Arsenal in the League Cup, 1968/69 wasn't it?

Good luck for the coming season and say hello to my nephew if you see him, he lives down there. ;)
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Moonraker on August 05, 2021, 04:58:09 PM
Just about to post "No mention of Don Rogers yet?". Dave saved the day.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: dave shelley on August 05, 2021, 05:05:24 PM
Just about to post "No mention of Don Rogers yet?". Dave saved the day.

Youre welcome, the benefits of being old.   ;)
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 05, 2021, 05:41:22 PM
Thanks Swindon lad always good to have a neutral opinion of one of our players
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 05, 2021, 05:43:28 PM
Welcome Swindonlad look forward to you reports
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 05:44:56 PM
Yeah, welcome Swindonlad.  Good luck for the season and keep us posted with how he's getting on, please.

As an aside, I used to work with an Oxford fan and I think the Swindon-Oxford rivalry is the most underrated derby in England. They fucking hate each other!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2021, 05:46:50 PM
Fjortoft was one of those players you could never understand why a bigger club never came in for him. And that roundabout.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 06:50:41 PM
Welcome.

Was that the same Fjortoft who played for Chelsea and Rangers?

Great goal from Steve Frogatt there in the FA cup game, did we ever wear that shirt again?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2021, 06:55:00 PM
Was that the same Fjortoft who played for Chelsea and Rangers?

You're thinking of Tore Andre Flo.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2021, 06:55:52 PM
Yes I am, dont mind me...
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2021, 07:04:04 PM
Fjortoft was the one who did the aeroplane celebration.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 05, 2021, 07:04:31 PM
Congratulations on finding owners. Hope it works out all round.
Good luck in league 2.
I didn't realise that you got new owners! We had the same owner in Waterford. He saddled us with a Kevin Sheedy / Mike Newell axis of evil until they walked and so did he.
Anyway, we have new owners now, a fantastic manager in Marc Bircham (ex QPR and Millwall) and things are really looking up. Is Scott Twine still at Swindon? He's a great little player.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: CT on August 05, 2021, 07:05:29 PM
Welcome.

Was that the same Fjortoft who played for Chelsea and Rangers?

Great goal from Steve Frogatt there in the FA cup game, did we ever wear that shirt again?

Certainly when Steve Staunton scored his rocket at OT.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 05, 2021, 07:13:26 PM


Was that the same Fjortoft who played for Chelsea and Rangers?

  you're thinking of Tore Andre Flo
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 07, 2021, 05:23:18 PM
Scunthorpe 1 Swindon 3

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Swindon set about trying to find a route back into the game. And 10 minutes after going behind they found it once Kesler-Hayden had been brought down inside the box.

The right-back took on three Iron defenders before being tripped by a combination of two. The referee waited a moment before pointing to the spot.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19498824.swindon-town-beat-scunthorpe-united-3-1-league-two/
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2021, 05:30:55 PM
Swindon Lad - you may (or then again you may not!) be interested to know that one of the most memorable games of football I have ever attended was in 1968, a few days before Christmas, when Swindon beat Burnley 3-2 aet in the League Cup semi-final replay, which was played at the Hawthorns.  Good luck for the season.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2021, 05:31:34 PM
My favourite Swindon games was probably the 6-4 from 4-1 down against those twats.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2021, 05:56:15 PM
A bit rude? Swindonlad aint one of those twats.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Lsvilla on August 07, 2021, 06:05:08 PM
A bit rude? Swindonlad aint one of those twats.
The game in question was at blues. Hence the ‘twats’ comment. Same day we won at Highbury with a Tony Daley header if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Chris Stares on August 07, 2021, 07:38:32 PM
Scunthorpe 1 Swindon 3

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Swindon set about trying to find a route back into the game. And 10 minutes after going behind they found it once Kesler-Hayden had been brought down inside the box.

The right-back took on three Iron defenders before being tripped by a combination of two. The referee waited a moment before pointing to the spot.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19498824.swindon-town-beat-scunthorpe-united-3-1-league-two/
Reading the match report another player with Villa links is also now on Swindon's books - Harry McKirdy (I assume it's the same one who was in our academy at the same time as Callum O'Hare).
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: algy on August 07, 2021, 07:55:53 PM
Afternoon All

Thought I would pop on and have a look at your thoughts on the young lad we have loaned from you and it seems like we may have a gem on our hands. I thought if you wanted I would post how he is doing now and then for you and keep you updated. If it is against some forum rules or something my apologies.

Some exciting signings you guys have made this summer.

Good luck for the season
Hope you keep us updated. My uncle was a steward at Swindon for a number of years. Got us tickets for both the away games in 1988 and the one in the 93/94 season. The 1988 game was actually my first Villa game, so have quite fond memories of the place.

To balance it out, my dad used to go to watch Oxford Utd a fair bit because his mate supported/supports them. Tells me every so often tales of Big Fat Ron (Atkinson) doing, ahem, "tactical fouls" on Don Rodgers (aka barging him in to the stand at the first opportunity).

Anyway, best of luck for this coming season. :)
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Londonvilla on August 08, 2021, 02:01:24 AM
https://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=58927.405

   
Re: Scunthorpe v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread

Wollacott 7
- Distribution was a bit poor at times and was a bit rash and shouldn't have given away the penalty. But made a few commanding claims and two very smart saves. Forgotten what its like to have a decent keeper.

KKH 9
- No wonder he has a 5 year contract. Defended soundly and was an immense attacking threat. Incredibly quick and gifted. Would have created more in first half if we could have found him with the ball!


Baudry 6.5
- Did what he needed to do. Still takes too many risks for my liking.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Londonvilla on August 08, 2021, 02:10:28 AM
Swindon Town player ratings after win over Scunthorpe United

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindon_town_2014/19498922.swindon-town-player-ratings-win-scunthorpe-united/

ADVER Sport assess the performances of the Swindon Town players following the club's 3-1 victory over Scunthorpe United.

Jojo Wollacott: 7

Pulled off a handful of excellent saves and claimed aerial balls really well throughout. At fault for the penalty, however.

Kaine Kesler-Hayden: 9

The Villa man was excellent on his debut, showing pace, awareness, and most importantly winning the penalty that got Town back into the game. Hopefully, his injury is not too serious, and he can continue like that all season. Subbed.

Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Swindonlad on August 08, 2021, 09:24:57 AM
Morning all

Well i will not bore you with the game details (we won 3-1) This lad is something special that much is certain. So composed for someone so young and makes the right decisions. What surprised me most was how good he was in the air and how strong he was.

As a Swindon fan we have been fortunate over the years to have seen some good players on loan, Players like Carrick Milner etc, and i have no doubt he is going to play at the very top level. I know it's one game but you know when you can just tell. Even his passing is fast and direct. He got the penalty taking on 2 players and caused them all sorts of issues. He went off with a slught knock but think that was a precaution really 

Thanks again for the warm welcome and the memories of some of those games, the 6-4 was to this day still my best ever away game, 4-1 down then Glen Hoddle put on a masterclass and we win 6-4. Birmingham fans it won't shock you to hear didn't react well after the game     
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 08, 2021, 09:46:27 AM
Hopefully going on loan to Swindon will put to bed the rumours linking him to Man City..
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2021, 10:25:14 AM
My favourite Swindon games was probably the 6-4 from 4-1 down against those twats.

My favourite Swindon game ended 0-0 in 1988  ;)

I distinctly remember hearing the news about the 6-4 on the coach on our way back from winning at Arsenal.
I think we had won 1-0 with a Tony Daley goal. To the tune of 'Day-O' we were singing "Swindon, Swindon, four one up and you lost six four, not one not two , not three, not four. Four one up and you lost six four"!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 08, 2021, 10:31:19 AM
Morning all

Well i will not bore you with the game details (we won 3-1) This lad is something special that much is certain. So composed for someone so young and makes the right decisions. What surprised me most was how good he was in the air and how strong he was.

As a Swindon fan we have been fortunate over the years to have seen some good players on loan, Players like Carrick Milner etc, and i have no doubt he is going to play at the very top level. I know it's one game but you know when you can just tell. Even his passing is fast and direct. He got the penalty taking on 2 players and caused them all sorts of issues. He went off with a slught knock but think that was a precaution really 

Thanks again for the warm welcome and the memories of some of those games, the 6-4 was to this day still my best ever away game, 4-1 down then Glen Hoddle put on a masterclass and we win 6-4. Birmingham fans it won't shock you to hear didn't react well after the game     


Sounds positive for all thanks for sharing .  How old was Milner when you had him ?  10 ??  :D
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: not3bad on August 08, 2021, 12:28:22 PM
I was in Swindon just last week and enjoyed a very warm welcome. Looking forward to hearing how KKH is faring.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: thick_mike on August 08, 2021, 12:57:24 PM
I made a large area of Swindon smell like Tom cat’s urine in the 90’s after changing the formulation of a paint we sold to a company that supplied bumpers to Honda. I had a very uncomfortable meeting with the local Environmental Health Officer.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 08, 2021, 01:04:19 PM
Cheers Swindonlad.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 02:47:03 PM
I made a large area of Swindon smell like Tom cat’s urine in the 90’s after changing the formulation of a paint we sold to a company that supplied bumpers to Honda. I had a very uncomfortable meeting with the local Environmental Health Officer.

Most tenuous confession ever! Well done Mike  ;D
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 02:48:17 PM
A bit rude? Swindonlad aint one of those twats.
The game in question was at blues. Hence the ‘twats’ comment. Same day we won at Highbury with a Tony Daley header if I remember correctly.

Ha! For some reason, I thought CDBWF was talking about an away League Cup game a few years ago (Lamberk era I think) when we won 6-4 or something but maybe that was Reading rather than Swindon.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: AV82EC on August 08, 2021, 03:17:38 PM
Nah that was the 3-2, Benteke in the last minute League Cup win. I went to that Cracking cup tie and atmosphere. Swindon won the Speedway that year so we’re parading that trophy round the stadium and I think that absolute arse Di Canio was managing them at the time giving us dogs abuse so cue much abuse from the travelling Villa faithful.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 03:45:47 PM
Forgot that...Di Canio, f'kin hell, yeah...They're probably as embarassed now about employing him as we are about Tim Sherwood ever being our manager!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2021, 03:49:44 PM
Forgot that...Di Canio, f'kin hell, yeah...They're probably as embarassed now about employing him as we are about Tim Sherwood ever being our manager!

Didn’t Tactics also rock up at Swindon, not as a manager but as some sort of omnipresent footballing guru (as long as he didn’t have to do anything, or visit swindon).
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 03:51:24 PM
Rings a bell...Swindon or QPR...somewhere where he had a mate in the management/decision-making roles.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 08, 2021, 03:55:23 PM
A bit rude? Swindonlad aint one of those twats.
The game in question was at blues. Hence the ‘twats’ comment. Same day we won at Highbury with a Tony Daley header if I remember correctly.

Ha! For some reason, I thought CDBWF was talking about an away League Cup game a few years ago (Lamberk era I think) when we won 6-4 or something but maybe that was Reading rather than Swindon.

To be fair I was thinking the same as you Eamonn, and may have posted similar, had I not been occupied with cooking a curry at the time.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2021, 04:05:14 PM
I attended the 1996 Swindon Town end of season awards as my fiance at the time had a brother in one of the
youth teams. Steve McMahon was their manager at the time and I had a picture taken of he and I. I attempted to engage him in conversation about his time with Villa but he was a miserable git and clearly didn't want to chat with me.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Swindonlad on September 07, 2021, 02:48:24 PM
Hi all

Thought I would give you a quick update, i won't pop on every week as that will annoy people but a quick update to let you know how he is doing.

The lad is class, getting better on the ball every week, and positionally looks very very good. In terms of playing style, i would say he is like TAA at Liverpool. I know many will probably wonder what I mean as I just said he is great defensively ;-)

Few little things to iron out as getting booked for diving and silly yellows for pulling back players and just a bit of silliness but that's why he is here, to learn how to react under pressure and the good far outweighs the bad

Finally, he was called up to England under 20s and made an appearance yesterday for them so overall the loan is working out for all of us
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: django on September 07, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Thanks for the update mate.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 07, 2021, 02:54:57 PM
Hi all

Thought I would give you a quick update, i won't pop on every week as that will annoy people but a quick update to let you know how he is doing.

The lad is class, getting better on the ball every week, and positionally looks very very good. In terms of playing style, i would say he is like TAA at Liverpool. I know many will probably wonder what I mean as I just said he is great defensively ;-)

Few little things to iron out as getting booked for diving and silly yellows for pulling back players and just a bit of silliness but that's why he is here, to learn how to react under pressure and the good far outweighs the bad

Finally, he was called up to England under 20s and made an appearance yesterday for them so overall the loan is working out for all of us

Thats great to hear.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 07, 2021, 03:07:40 PM
Thanks very much Swindonlad....good of you to take the trouble!
UTV!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: algy on September 07, 2021, 05:06:51 PM
Thanks Swindonlad, the updates are really appreciated. Good to see your lot getting off to a decent start in League 2.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on September 07, 2021, 05:20:21 PM
Good stuff. And if you bump into Andy Partridge, wish him well.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 07, 2021, 07:35:43 PM
Much appreciated SL, sounds very promising.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 07, 2021, 07:41:38 PM
Cheers, Swindonlad, much appreciated. Keep the reports coming.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Bad English on September 07, 2021, 07:45:29 PM
Great of you to update us. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: CT on September 07, 2021, 08:07:07 PM
Hi all

Thought I would give you a quick update, i won't pop on every week as that will annoy people but a quick update to let you know how he is doing.

The lad is class, getting better on the ball every week, and positionally looks very very good. In terms of playing style, i would say he is like TAA at Liverpool. I know many will probably wonder what I mean as I just said he is great defensively ;-)

Few little things to iron out as getting booked for diving and silly yellows for pulling back players and just a bit of silliness but that's why he is here, to learn how to react under pressure and the good far outweighs the bad

Finally, he was called up to England under 20s and made an appearance yesterday for them so overall the loan is working out for all of us

Keep the updates coming, it’s great to hear how he’s doing.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: darren woolley on September 08, 2021, 02:51:17 PM
Thanks for the update I'm pleased he's doing well.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: olaftab on September 08, 2021, 03:27:41 PM
Happy memories of Swindon.
You know a "friend' down there Brian?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Somniloquism on September 08, 2021, 03:41:36 PM
Happy memories of Swindon.
You know a "friend' down there Brian?

He probably designed most of it.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 08, 2021, 03:53:23 PM
when I think of Swindon , I always think of S Frogatt and I dont know why ?  oh well .. back to work

Kessler looks good
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on September 08, 2021, 04:44:51 PM
Because it's when Froggatt first came to prominence. Sunday afternoon live televised Villa game, a rarity back then. Some Robins fans chucked stones at the BBC's broadcasting box while the coverage went on. Alan Hansen pretended not to notice and showed true professionalism. A sad loss to punditry in recent times...can't we swap him back in for Danny Murphy?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 08, 2021, 04:50:21 PM
Because it's when Froggatt first came to prominence. Sunday afternoon live televised Villa game, a rarity back then. Some Robins fans chucked stones at the BBC's broadcasting box while the coverage went on. Alan Hansen pretended not to notice and showed true professionalism. A sad loss to punditry in recent times...can't we swap him back in for Danny Murphy?

FA cup game I think. As per usual they were desperate for Swindon to turn us over.  We didn't oblige.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 08, 2021, 05:40:00 PM
Thanks Swindonlad much appreciated
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 08, 2021, 10:53:13 PM
when I think of Swindon , I always think of S Frogatt and I dont know why ? 

When I think of Swindon I always think of David Platt throwing his shirt into the crowd as we all celebrated promotion on the pitch, only for a week later for him to discover through one of our youth players exactly who got the shirt. Platt demanded it back and when I say 'demanded' he meant it. Needless to say he got it back, the twat.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: AGRIPPA on September 09, 2021, 03:56:58 PM
when I think of Swindon , I always think of S Frogatt and I dont know why ? 

When I think of Swindon I always think of David Platt throwing his shirt into the crowd as we all celebrated promotion on the pitch, only for a week later for him to discover through one of our youth players exactly who got the shirt. Platt demanded it back and when I say 'demanded' he meant it. Needless to say he got it back, the twat.

pray tell more please...?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: stevenavfc on September 27, 2021, 05:26:37 PM
I went to the Colchester game on Saturday and was really impressed with Swindon. A very enjoyable 0-0. Thought Chrichlow was immense and Simpson is quite a handful. Payne and Lyden kept things ticking nicely. Kaine had a great game too. Always seemed to have plenty of time on the ball and very athletic. Should have capped off a fine performance but slipped in the area in a similar way to Jacob Ramsey earlier in the day at Old Trafford. Hope he continues to be a good player for you and I think playoffs minimum should be a realistic target from what I saw on Saturday. GO SWINDON
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: placeforparks on September 28, 2021, 03:13:55 PM
noticed that forest green v swindon is live on sky during the international break, noon kick off on saturday 9th oct.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Swindonlad on October 13, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
Afternoon guys-Quick update

Another steady month for the young lad and he seems to be a real steady player. Did have a 1 or 2 blips but that coincided with the team having a few poor performances. One thing that really does stick out is that for a small lad he is superb in the air and his covering of the back post is brilliant, definetly defensively aware but i do think he would be perfect in a 3 5 2 if you play that.

He has been called up for England again and strangely in the 2 games he has missed our RWB has been absolutely quality so Saturday should be interesting regarding selection.

On a side note there are strong rumours down here that Barry is to be recalled by you in January and be loaned to us  so that'll be interesting how that developes.
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Post by: UK Redsox on October 13, 2021, 11:47:10 AM
Whenever I've checked Ipswich teamsheets, Lil' Louis has been missing, so a move elsewhere in January to get more gametime would be good.

He's looks to have a lot of potential
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Post by: dave shelley on October 13, 2021, 12:52:48 PM
Having watched Swindon deal with table-toppers Forest Green on Saturday, Swindon could be a good fit for young Barry.
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Post by: LukeJames on December 04, 2021, 04:28:12 PM
Puts Swindon 1-2 Up against the Bescot.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on December 04, 2021, 05:28:25 PM
First senior goal.

He's doing well there.

I would like to see him tested in higher league though before serious calls to instate him into first team squad. No reason why he shouldn't get a championship loan next season.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 04, 2021, 05:42:17 PM
First senior goal.

He's doing well there.

I would like to see him tested in higher league though before serious calls to instate him into first team squad. No reason why he shouldn't get a championship loan next season.

I’d agree with that, maybe have Gilbert back to see out his contract in the meantime.
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Post by: LukeJames on December 04, 2021, 06:37:25 PM
Hopefully Swindon get promoted and extend the loan for another season.

Edit... I actually thought they were in the League 1 Play Off places and pushing for the Championship, just noticed its League 2.
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Post by: OCD on December 04, 2021, 07:14:57 PM
He'll train with the seniors for pre-season and the coaching staff will be able to work out whether he's ready to fight for the right back spot or whether to send him out on loan again. No point loaning him out if he is ready. I think he'll be able to provide the width that the coaches want from fullback areas.
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Post by: paul_e on December 04, 2021, 08:50:04 PM
First senior goal.

He's doing well there.

I would like to see him tested in higher league though before serious calls to instate him into first team squad. No reason why he shouldn't get a championship loan next season.

Didn’t do Grealish any harm to go from L2 to being a squad player in the premier league.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on December 04, 2021, 11:04:28 PM
He'll train with the seniors for pre-season and the coaching staff will be able to work out whether he's ready to fight for the right back spot or whether to send him out on loan again. No point loaning him out if he is ready. I think he'll be able to provide the width that the coaches want from fullback areas.

If we think he isn't far off a regular place in the 18/20 (whatever it is) surely that means he could go to a Stoke, Boro or QPR and play regularly there if some of them don't come up?

I think it's worth looking at tomorrow's opposition and how they've handled loans in recent times.

Harvey Barnes went like this for instance:

2017- MK Franchise (league 1)

2017-18- Barnsley (bottom end of championship)

2018-19- West Brom (top end of championship)

Then they recalled him in Jan 2019 when he was 21 and they'd deemed him ready as he was standout for West Brom.

Also got Dewsbury Hall who is rumoured to be starting tomorrow.

Was at Blackpool in league 1 in 2020 and had a good season at Luton in championship. Now regular in Leicester squad and he's actually 23 now so two examples of Leicester using a couple of loans for their kids to make sure they keep scaling up the football league and then they get integrated into first team squad.

Just think it may be a little early for Kesler even if he has huge potential. At worst should get a top end league 1 loan like Jacob Ramsey did.

We've seen before just chucking 5-6 into squad at once isn't always the best policy if some aren't ready so I expect 2-3 of them to go out on loan in Jan.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on December 04, 2021, 11:07:45 PM
First senior goal.

He's doing well there.

I would like to see him tested in higher league though before serious calls to instate him into first team squad. No reason why he shouldn't get a championship loan next season.

Didn’t do Grealish any harm to go from L2 to being a squad player in the premier league.

Notts County were league 1 when he was there, saw Walsall beat them 5-1.

He was pretty much on the fringes for first 6 months of 14/15, odd sub cameo but rarely used by Lambert so loan to championship club until that January would've probably helped just as much.

When you think of the kids that came through to make a decent impact likes of Cahill, Gabby, Bannan and Weimann all had championship loans of some kind IIRC.
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Post by: Martyn Smith on December 05, 2021, 02:28:16 AM
My one and only visit to the County Ground was in '97 when my ex-wife's QPR visited. Allan McDonald had not long left the R's for Swindon and ended up in goal for them, owing I think to an injury to the actual keeper.

She fell over in the mud on the way back to the car, which wasn't at all amusing
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Post by: Demitri_C on December 05, 2021, 08:25:18 AM
I think kesler has a very good chance of making it here.
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Post by: dave shelley on December 05, 2021, 08:48:27 AM
Dewsbury Hall.  Is that part of the National Trust?
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Post by: OCD on December 05, 2021, 01:19:12 PM
How long has Guilbert got left? One thing we definitely don't want to do is to sign another right back as competition to Cash who would only block the pathway. So we would either need to give Guilbert another year (which he might not be happy with), bring in someone on loan for a year while KH gets more games or include KH from next year.

One of the points paul_e has made before is that by sticking around and training with the first team, you're going to be training at a higher standard and with higher standard players on a day-to-day basis that you wouldn't get by going out on loan.
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 06, 2021, 04:47:06 PM


Went up the Bescot on Saturday to watch the match and sat with the Swindon fans.

Kesler played well, and their fans absolutely love him. He's definitely got a lot of promise but I think another loan at a Championship level club is probably the next logical step for him.

That other ex Villa lad McKirdy didn't look up to much though. And whilst waiting for someone at the end we spotted Jordan Lyden knocking about.

I didn't even realise he was at Swindon, i recall we had high hopes for him at one point.

They had a number 10 called Payne playing who caught my eye, very much in the Buendia mould in terms of height/build/style but a bit more robust. I thought he was early 20's from afar but turns out he's 27 so not much point looking at him
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Post by: eamonn on December 06, 2021, 04:54:26 PM
Dewsbury Hall.  Is that part of the National Trust?

I need a fix cos I'm going down...
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Post by: Footy-Vill on January 07, 2022, 07:47:07 PM
Interesting to see how he gets on v Man City named in line up good luck KKH
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Post by: Dave P on January 07, 2022, 09:22:44 PM
He’s having a great game against Man City tonight. I can see this lad in the first team in the next few seasons.
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 07, 2022, 09:26:49 PM
I think he’s looked very good.
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Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2022, 09:28:07 PM
Made Rodri look a bit of a mug to buy a free kick and a yellow card. His extra yard of pace makes a huge difference.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 07, 2022, 09:31:47 PM
He’s playing very well.
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Post by: SteveN on January 07, 2022, 09:42:02 PM
I wouldn't be wasting money on a right back any time soon.  He looks ideally suited to play in Gerrard's preferred system.
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Post by: darren woolley on January 07, 2022, 09:55:31 PM
He did ok against Man City looks promising.
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Post by: dorsetvillian on January 08, 2022, 12:11:18 AM
Very impressed with him tonight
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Post by: dcdavecollett on January 08, 2022, 02:19:35 AM
I thought he'd do well -I've always thought he'd make a good player.

I hoped he'd be up against Grealish tonight but, alas, Jack wasn't able to make the team again.

One player being developed, another one regressing...
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Post by: Clampy on January 08, 2022, 09:46:09 AM
He was excellent wasn't he? Looked very good on the ball as well.
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Post by: j66acd on January 08, 2022, 10:01:30 AM
If you search his name on twitter he’s getting loads of attention, with fans of most teams saying they would like him including some fans from the prem. HE’S OURS!!!!!
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Post by: Swindonlad on January 08, 2022, 12:12:55 PM
He ruined any glimmer of hope I had of an extra year at ours if we go up this season. The lad as i said all along is absolute quality and will be a regular in the prem for you guys for years to come

My honest opinion he will need a year in the championship on loan just to iron out the final ball and crossing but thats really only a very small thing for now as that is the exact reason he will be on loan, to improve these things
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 08, 2022, 01:47:26 PM
He ruined any glimmer of hope I had of an extra year at ours if we go up this season. The lad as i said all along is absolute quality and will be a regular in the prem for you guys for years to come

My honest opinion he will need a year in the championship on loan just to iron out the final ball and crossing but thats really only a very small thing for now as that is the exact reason he will be on loan, to improve these things

I went to Orient v Swindon.  Probably one of your darker days this season but your away support was impressive.  Do you always travel in those numbers?

Kessler Hayden was average that day, I assume he’s had better days with you guys.
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Post by: OCD on January 08, 2022, 02:09:52 PM
A loan move to a decent Championship side next season would be a good move for him. Just a question of who provides cover for Cash in the meantime.
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Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2022, 02:53:24 PM
He ruined any glimmer of hope I had of an extra year at ours if we go up this season. The lad as i said all along is absolute quality and will be a regular in the prem for you guys for years to come

My honest opinion he will need a year in the championship on loan just to iron out the final ball and crossing but thats really only a very small thing for now as that is the exact reason he will be on loan, to improve these things

I was up when you scored, it was a great goal and you celebrated like you meant it.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 08, 2022, 02:58:20 PM
It was brilliant, that goal. Like when li'l Louie Barry scored last year.

Well, almost.
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Post by: nigel on January 08, 2022, 05:42:30 PM
It was brilliant, that goal. Like when li'l Louie Barry scored last year.

Well, almost.

It was a pity Swindon scored when, in truth, the game had been lost.
Louie’s was an equaliser which made it even better.
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Post by: Swindonlad on January 09, 2022, 08:57:43 AM
He ruined any glimmer of hope I had of an extra year at ours if we go up this season. The lad as i said all along is absolute quality and will be a regular in the prem for you guys for years to come

My honest opinion he will need a year in the championship on loan just to iron out the final ball and crossing but thats really only a very small thing for now as that is the exact reason he will be on loan, to improve these things

I went to Orient v Swindon.  Probably one of your darker days this season but your away support was impressive.  Do you always travel in those numbers?

Kessler Hayden was average that day, I assume he’s had better days with you guys.
I just shudderred at Orient :-) We have travelled in numbers this year as i think the summer made people realise how close we were to losing the club tbh
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Post by: john2710 on January 09, 2022, 09:40:20 AM
He's been recalled from his loan. I assume he'll now be i integrated into the first team squad.
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Post by: Dave P on January 09, 2022, 09:41:10 AM
His loan spell has ended and he’s back with us. Surely we wouldn’t do that without a plan to integrate him in the first team?  Unless a club higher up the pecking order want him on loan?
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Post by: Swindonlad on January 09, 2022, 09:41:45 AM
Boooooo ;)
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Post by: jwarry on January 09, 2022, 09:45:21 AM
Boooooo ;)

Well it’s a good sign you weren’t cheering!
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Post by: PeterWithe on January 09, 2022, 09:48:01 AM
Which member of staff would make the decision on recalling players?
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Post by: AV82EC on January 09, 2022, 10:16:32 AM
Which member of staff would make the decision on recalling players?

Jedinak is the Loans Manager/co-ord so will have made a recc to Gerrard Id assume. Hasn’t an U18 just been promoted to Elite Development Coach as well who may have had a say?
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Post by: BC Villain on January 09, 2022, 10:24:16 AM
Can only assume its to play or for him to go on loan to a Championship club.   He's playing regularly and getting excellent reviews at Swindon, so pulling him back to sit on the bench wouldn't make sense
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Post by: jwarry on January 09, 2022, 10:33:29 AM
Well he is 19 now and as SG said if you are good enough you are old enough, said by someone who broke through at the same age
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 09, 2022, 10:34:51 AM
I suspect Gerrard wants to have a look at them in person as most of the loanees have been recalled. 
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Post by: DrGonzo on January 09, 2022, 12:34:42 PM
It's sounds as though Barry's return was by mutual agreement between Ipswich and him due to lack of chances.  Was Hayden's loan supposed to be a season long?  If so it would suggest that the coaching team feel he is ready for a step up in level.  I would like to see him go out again in the Championship but I think he may be around the squad for the rest of the season until we have settled the comings and goings.  If we are spending on a left back and we patently need a centre back then that may be the end of the funds for this window. 

 
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Post by: algy on January 09, 2022, 12:42:00 PM
It's sounds as though Barry's return was by mutual agreement between Ipswich and him due to lack of chances.  Was Hayden's loan supposed to be a season long?  If so it would suggest that the coaching team feel he is ready for a step up in level.  I would like to see him go out again in the Championship but I think he may be around the squad for the rest of the season until we have settled the comings and goings.  If we are spending on a left back and we patently need a centre back then that may be the end of the funds for this window. 

 
Yeah, I agree - Barry looks more like it just wasn't the right move for him or Ipswich. That said, it should give him a bit of a grounding that having been on Barcelona's books doesn't automatically guarantee a career as a footballer even further down the league. Think a loan out to a non League club would be in order there.

KKH seems a different kettle of fish. I think he might be on the fringes of the first team squad now, maybe worth giving him 6 months to see how he gets on, then either keep him about to pressure Matty Cash or a loan out to a Championship club next season depending on what he needs - regular football/more experience or just the opportunity to fight Cash for his place.
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Post by: LukeJames on January 09, 2022, 01:53:02 PM
I can only hooe that a Championship team have asked to take him for the remainder of the season otherwise it makes no sense to recall him back from playing every week.
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Post by: Gareth on January 09, 2022, 01:58:20 PM
With Tuanzebe leaving we had lost our cover for fight back area in the event of Cash getting a knock or more likely a suspension - would have him on the bench for rest of season and look to give him minutes where possible.  Guess If we bring in another centre half who can cover right back later in Jan he might get another loan into a Championship side though
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Post by: algy on January 09, 2022, 02:44:54 PM
With Tuanzebe leaving we had lost our cover for fight back area in the event of Cash getting a knock or more likely a suspension - would have him on the bench for rest of season and look to give him minutes where possible.  Guess If we bring in another centre half who can cover right back later in Jan he might get another loan into a Championship side though
Yeah, that was my feeling. If he can get a few subs appearances in, maybe the odd start, from now until the end of the season then that could do him as much good as anything. Get a feel for the first team set up, know the players he'll be playing with and that . Then a full season loan to the Championship next season, ready to make Mateuz Cashski start looking over his shoulder the season after.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 09, 2022, 03:00:44 PM
It's sounds as though Barry's return was by mutual agreement between Ipswich and him due to lack of chances.  Was Hayden's loan supposed to be a season long?  If so it would suggest that the coaching team feel he is ready for a step up in level.  I would like to see him go out again in the Championship but I think he may be around the squad for the rest of the season until we have settled the comings and goings.  If we are spending on a left back and we patently need a centre back then that may be the end of the funds for this window. 

 
Yeah, I agree - Barry looks more like it just wasn't the right move for him or Ipswich. That said, it should give him a bit of a grounding that having been on Barcelona's books doesn't automatically guarantee a career as a footballer even further down the league. Think a loan out to a non League club would be in order there.

KKH seems a different kettle of fish. I think he might be on the fringes of the first team squad now, maybe worth giving him 6 months to see how he gets on, then either keep him about to pressure Matty Cash or a loan out to a Championship club next season depending on what he needs - regular football/more experience or just the opportunity to fight Cash for his place.

Brad Young has come back from Carlisle too and he was playing most weeks.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: dave shelley on January 09, 2022, 06:22:28 PM
Have a read of These (https://twitter.com/KaineKeslerHayd/status/1480110974996779009) comments.  Be warned, tissues may be needed.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 09, 2022, 09:07:12 PM
Have a read of These (https://twitter.com/KaineKeslerHayd/status/1480110974996779009) comments.  Be warned, tissues may be needed.
Lovely.
So nice to see from both player and fans.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 09, 2022, 09:17:02 PM
WOW they really loved him feel bad now 
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Post by: darren woolley on January 09, 2022, 10:22:07 PM
They really loved him at Swindon.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Slaphead on January 09, 2022, 10:29:52 PM
Haven't posted for 45 years but saw this on Twitter and couldn't resist, created by a Swindon fan.

"There's a staaaaar man. Running down the right. His name is Kesler Hayden and he's fucking dynamite"
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 09, 2022, 11:03:20 PM
Haven't posted for 45 years but saw this on Twitter and couldn't resist, created by a Swindon fan.

"There's a staaaaar man. Running down the right. His name is Kesler Hayden and he's fucking dynamite"

We used to sing a better version of that about Snodgrass. I like it as a chant, short and simple.
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Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 10, 2022, 10:21:51 AM
They really did seem to love him. Is his development not worth him staying there for the full season? I guess we need RB cover or maybe there's a championship loan on the offing. Neither though are guaranteed to aid his development but staying for the remainder of the season and playing week in week out would do. Fingers crossed as seems to be a good one.
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Post by: OCD on January 10, 2022, 11:05:31 AM
I think there's an element of Gerrard wanting to get to know some of these kids and see which he thinks have a future with us and seeing how that affects his transfer plans for the next couple of windows. We may well then lend them out again nearer the end of the month. KKH may have some championship clubs interested in him and then we can't deprive him of experience at the next level up.
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Post by: caster troy on January 10, 2022, 11:31:54 AM
Having attacking full backs is so crucial to Gerrard's system, I don't know what we'd do if Cash got injured or suspended, and we need to factor Covid into the equation as well. My guess is he saw the performance against Man City and wanted him back.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on January 10, 2022, 11:57:55 AM
Having attacking full backs is so crucial to Gerrard's system, I don't know what we'd do if Cash got injured or suspended, and we need to factor Covid into the equation as well. My guess is he saw the performance against Man City and wanted him back.
Exactly.
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Post by: Drummond on January 10, 2022, 12:00:26 PM
Clubs often bring loan players back in January then send them out again. With Tuanzebe gone, he may get on the bench. We may be in the market for a player and waiting on agreement before he's allowed out. Either way, he's doing really well and we're in a good position.
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Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2022, 12:09:35 PM
He obviously made the grade at Swindon. Doesn't automatically follow he then needs to go to Div1 or the championship before getting a run here. Could be worth checking out as cover for cash. Bit of a risk, but if you don't give them a chance, you never find out.
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Post by: Somniloquism on January 10, 2022, 12:12:28 PM
Although I don't get shirts with players names on, to get one for a loan signing does either make the player special, or maybe the fan.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 10, 2022, 12:13:51 PM
He was Swindon's stand out player on Friday night. He looked very comfortable and got forward when he could. That's pretty good against the best team in the world currently.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2022, 07:24:34 PM
Un used sub in 0-0 draw at home to Ipswic for Mk Dons today. Pointless!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on February 12, 2022, 07:44:01 PM
Early days, be patient.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on February 22, 2022, 11:04:06 PM
https://www.skysports.com/efl/championship/video/12549149/charlton-0-2-mk-dons-league-one-highlights

Included here is Kelsers goal.
Shirt  number 29.
Matty Cash could learn following in like that!
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Post by: ROBBO on February 22, 2022, 11:31:28 PM
Australia is an unsupported region, anywhere else I can see it?
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Post by: Sdwbvf on February 23, 2022, 12:27:08 AM
Great goal, great celebration. He was really impressive, defensively and in attack. Good positional sense. My wife remarked that he was clearly a cut above the rest of the team in little bits of skill and intelligence. Give him a season in the championship and he will be snapping at Cash’s heels.
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Post by: Drummond on February 23, 2022, 09:49:17 AM
Australia is an unsupported region, anywhere else I can see it?

Get yourself a vpn and then pick the UK...
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Post by: Footy-Vill on February 23, 2022, 10:29:11 AM
Australia is an unsupported region, anywhere else I can see it?

Hi ROBBO!
https://www.youtube.com/user/MKDonsFC04/videos?app=desktop

MK Dons YT is global I believe!
Under Charlton v MK Don's match highlights
Best wishes. Hope that works for you.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 23, 2022, 10:37:19 AM
Great goal, great celebration. He was really impressive, defensively and in attack. Good positional sense. My wife remarked that he was clearly a cut above the rest of the team in little bits of skill and intelligence. Give him a season in the championship and he will be snapping at Cash’s heels.

Thanks great to hear the scout report. Seems a naturally comfortable attacking which is great. I see this MK Dons club are high up in league 1 and previously who was playing high up in league 2 (Swindon)great progress and both seem to be decent football which suits.
I wonder if he could be progressed into the first team squad next season though given his potential
Unless we sell Cash and sign a major upgrade Kesler could have the opportunity next season perhaps?
Not even 20 till next season though but I do hope these young players get given opportunity on first team squads and game time.




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Post by: darren woolley on February 23, 2022, 01:57:52 PM
He scored a good goal and a brilliant celebration.
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Post by: mrfuse on February 23, 2022, 07:39:39 PM
We all know if he does that celebration at Villa he will end up being injured for the season.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2022, 02:36:40 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12552616/mk-dons-2-0-bolton-league-one-highlights

Involved assisting the second goal
Providing brilliant services for MK Dons push to promotion.

The way he seized on to the goal keeper pass error was great anticipation and determination to get there ahead of opponent and drive towards the goal making the second. Marvellous.

For those in overseas terrorties can find here under Mk Dons Bolton match highlights
https://www.youtube.com/user/MKDonsFC04/videos?app=desktop
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Post by: Footy-Vill on March 01, 2022, 02:43:47 PM


Good all round experience the loan. Interview with him here before the bolton game.
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Post by: paul_e on March 01, 2022, 03:31:46 PM
great work for the goal, he's turning into a really good player.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 27, 2022, 01:33:27 PM
This young man is going to be very good. And a really excellent back up to Cash next season

https://twitter.com/total_villa/status/1508018263384465412?s=21&t=umb9cc37SlKQi2XEz1viMg
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Post by: dave shelley on May 01, 2022, 11:19:55 AM
The lad Scott Twine of MKD looks a good prospect, he scored four goals against Plymouth yesterday, for his hat-trick goal the pass from KK-H was superb, he just gently lobbed it over the defender who was closing him down directly into Twine's path for him to bury it.  Class.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: OCD on May 01, 2022, 02:21:05 PM
20 goals in 45 games is going for a 22-year old midfielder.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2022, 06:19:57 PM
My mate's an MK regular and he reckons Kaine has been mostly excellent for them. I would think another loan to a higher level will be on the cards probably, because there won't be space in the squad for all the promising young lads we've got.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: AV82EC on May 02, 2022, 07:24:42 PM
My mate's an MK regular and he reckons Kaine has been mostly excellent for them. I would think another loan to a higher level will be on the cards probably, because there won't be space in the squad for all the promising young lads we've got.

Yep possibly a season too soon for the back up to Cash role but a whole season in the Championship will be the progression he needs. He’s done well this season, half at Swindon in League 2 who look like they’ll get in the play offs and now half a season at MK a whole division higher who are also in the play offs. Seems logical for his progression to head to the Championship.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Somniloquism on May 02, 2022, 08:25:16 PM
If MK are promoted, would it be better to send him back there (knows the manager, most of the players but could struggle) or send him to a club expected to finish higher up if we can find one, but where he might not get the same amount of game time.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Smithy on May 03, 2022, 03:24:37 PM
My mate's an MK regular and he reckons Kaine has been mostly excellent for them. I would think another loan to a higher level will be on the cards probably, because there won't be space in the squad for all the promising young lads we've got.

Yep possibly a season too soon for the back up to Cash role but a whole season in the Championship will be the progression he needs. He’s done well this season, half at Swindon in League 2 who look like they’ll get in the play offs and now half a season at MK a whole division higher who are also in the play offs. Seems logical for his progression to head to the Championship.

Given how well he played for Swindon against Man City in the FA Cup, I'm not sure he needs to add too much more to his game to be considered as the backup to Matty Cash. He played very well against one of the best sides in the world that day. He's not ready to be first-choice, obviously, but short of a Cash injury meaning he was the default first choice for a prolonged period of time, I think he'd be fine as a back-up while integrating properly with our first-team squad.  Hopefully would play a few cup games and the odd league game for us.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: chrisw1 on May 04, 2022, 10:44:32 AM
Agreed.  I'm convinced KKH is ready to be back up and will be excellent when given the chance.  I guess the difficulty is keepng back up players happy when the could be further developing on loan.  It's harder to give substitute minutes to a fullback when typically you want your 3 subs to be tactical changes.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: PGW on May 04, 2022, 10:48:33 AM
Agreed.  I'm convinced KKH is ready to be back up and will be excellent when given the chance.  I guess the difficulty is keepng back up players happy when the could be further developing on loan.  It's harder to give substitute minutes to a fullback when typically you want your 3 subs to be tactical changes.
Didn't Klopp get his own way and it's 5 subs next season, so maybe opportunities to blood youngsters.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: AV82EC on May 04, 2022, 10:50:25 AM
My mate's an MK regular and he reckons Kaine has been mostly excellent for them. I would think another loan to a higher level will be on the cards probably, because there won't be space in the squad for all the promising young lads we've got.

Yep possibly a season too soon for the back up to Cash role but a whole season in the Championship will be the progression he needs. He’s done well this season, half at Swindon in League 2 who look like they’ll get in the play offs and now half a season at MK a whole division higher who are also in the play offs. Seems logical for his progression to head to the Championship.

Given how well he played for Swindon against Man City in the FA Cup, I'm not sure he needs to add too much more to his game to be considered as the backup to Matty Cash. He played very well against one of the best sides in the world that day. He's not ready to be first-choice, obviously, but short of a Cash injury meaning he was the default first choice for a prolonged period of time, I think he'd be fine as a back-up while integrating properly with our first-team squad.  Hopefully would play a few cup games and the odd league game for us.

I see where you're coming from but I'd be loathe to make the assumption he's ready on the basis of one game against Citeh no matter how well he performed. I suppose we'll see what happens in pre season and how integrated with the first team he is or if the pathway is a loan into the championship? Whatever the club decide he looks an excellent prospect for challenging for Cash's place over the coming seasons.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: OCD on May 04, 2022, 11:17:26 AM
5 substitutes are allowed from next season but in 3 opportunities plus half time. So you can't make 5 separate changes where only player comes on at a time.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: paul_e on May 04, 2022, 12:38:06 PM
His big advantage is that he's very quick and pace makes up for a lot of things, including a lack of experience. I'd b keeping him around next season and giving him regular sub appearances as a minimum.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Drummond on May 04, 2022, 08:30:38 PM
He's been confirmed as Swindon's young player of the year.. Well done lad!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 04, 2022, 09:01:39 PM
He's been confirmed as Swindon's young player of the year.. Well done lad!

For half a season on loan, impressive?!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Ian. on May 05, 2022, 07:11:55 AM
He's been confirmed as Swindon's young player of the year.. Well done lad!

For half a season on loan, impressive?!

Superb, he must be well chuffed.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 05, 2022, 02:31:34 PM
He's been confirmed as Swindon's young player of the year.. Well done lad!

For half a season on loan, impressive?!

Superb, he must be well chuffed.
What about Barry !
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 05, 2022, 02:32:02 PM
MK Dons are away to Wycombe tonight in first leg play offs.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: darren woolley on May 05, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
He's been confirmed as Swindon's young player of the year.. Well done lad!

That's brilliant news I'm so pleased for him.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: TelfordVilla on May 05, 2022, 03:59:20 PM
Swindon player of the year? I thought he was at Milton keynes
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2022, 04:11:14 PM
Swindon player of the year? I thought he was at Milton keynes

He is. He was recalled from Swindon in January.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on May 05, 2022, 06:20:21 PM
Two towns at once, Kaine Kesler Hayden - he's two towns at once.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: paul_e on May 05, 2022, 09:40:17 PM
Swindon player of the year? I thought he was at Milton keynes

He is. He was recalled from Swindon in January.

Shame he's not likely to get the M player of the season as well, that'd have been epic!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: SaddVillan on May 05, 2022, 10:11:25 PM
Got clattered quite a bit tonight by Wycombe in the League 1 Play-off 1st Leg.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 08, 2022, 06:45:23 PM
2nd leg Semi Mk Dons have all to do being 2-0 down from first leg
Kicked off 630pm Sky Sports Football
Kessler Hayden started well such a good player
Mile Jedinak watching on in the stands
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 08, 2022, 07:45:27 PM
MK Dons have been on TV quite a bit of late, inc the game v Wycombe being shown now.  Overall, I can't say that KKH has looked to me to be a player that might be able to prosper at a higher level any time soon.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: chrisw1 on May 09, 2022, 12:11:55 PM
MK Dons have been on TV quite a bit of late, inc the game v Wycombe being shown now.  Overall, I can't say that KKH has looked to me to be a player that might be able to prosper at a higher level any time soon.
That's dissapointng to read.  Can't say I've seen much of him in an MK shirt, but everything I've seen before of this kid made me think he has a very bright future.  I was hoping to see him in the squad next season as we're light on cover for rghtback and it seems daft spending money on the position.  But maybe another year in the Championship will be best for his development?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: paul_e on May 09, 2022, 12:44:17 PM
MK Dons have been on TV quite a bit of late, inc the game v Wycombe being shown now.  Overall, I can't say that KKH has looked to me to be a player that might be able to prosper at a higher level any time soon.
That's dissapointng to read.  Can't say I've seen much of him in an MK shirt, but everything I've seen before of this kid made me think he has a very bright future.  I was hoping to see him in the squad next season as we're light on cover for rghtback and it seems daft spending money on the position.  But maybe another year in the Championship will be best for his development?

Until last year my office was technically in Milton Keynes (but I rarely went there) so I know a lot of people who go to their games and generally they thought he was excellent for a few months but was looking a bit tired the last few weeks. On the Wycombe games in particular there seems to be a suggestion that Wycombe targeted him for a bit of a kicking.

As backwards as it seems I hope the latter is true, with his pace and frame he'll be someone who gets that so the sooner he starts working out how to deal with it the better.

personally I'd like us to keep him around the squad next season. If he doesn't seem quite ready he can go out again in January but with the league cup we hopefully have a chance to give him gametime whilst also getting him to train alongside players of a far higher standard. I'd also like to keep a bigger than normal squad for the first half of next season because I think the world cup will have a big impact regardless of the break in games. Having a few U21 players we can rely on as part of that is helpful because they are 'free' in terms of squad registration.
Title: Kane Kesler Hayden
Post by: LukeJames on July 23, 2022, 02:48:52 PM
Couldn't find another thread for him (Please merge if there is one).

I really really like the look of this kid. Pace to burn. Can see him getting a fair amount of game time this season.
Title: Re: Kane Kesler Hayden
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2022, 02:50:52 PM
Yeah, been impressed whenever I've seen him. Would definitely have him ahead of Young as back up, assuming Guilbert gets sold or loaned again. Would maybe have him ahead of Guilbert anyway, even though I like him.

If we can get some decent cup draws, for once, and he impresses, I wouldn't even be amazed to see him pushing for a first team place in the league.
Title: Re: Kane Kesler Hayden
Post by: Ger Regan on July 23, 2022, 02:53:33 PM
Yeah, it's not as if Cash, as good as he's been, is undroppable. Achieve his potential and it might not be long before he's first choice on merit.
Title: Re: Kane Kesler Hayden
Post by: Somniloquism on July 23, 2022, 03:27:36 PM
Thought we had one created by Swindon Lad when he was on loan there. I said then that I realise it was lower levels but he looked very similar to Trent Alexander-Arnold at Liverpool going forward. Although as the latter has shown recently, the Right Back does need to defend first and foremost and then anything else is a bonus. 
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Richard on July 23, 2022, 03:33:25 PM
Bumped so it can be merged.....
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2022, 05:23:25 PM
If he's behind Guilbert and Young in the queue, get him out on loan to the Ch'ship. If he's second choice, he could easily compete with Cash who I think is overrated.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2022, 05:40:21 PM
If he's behind Guilbert and Young in the queue, get him out on loan to the Ch'ship. If he's second choice, he could easily compete with Cash who I think is overrated.

Intriguing, if only you'd mentioned this previously. ;)
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2022, 06:59:12 PM
Watching this: https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1550884221786390530?s=20&t=rPm_JWoLDS4Ki6jMUpQIbA

He linked up nicely with Sanson several times.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2022, 07:05:49 PM
Whether Gerrard was thinking of keeping him around or loaning him out, I think the lad's played his way into staying and providing competition for Cash. Certainly looks Premier League ready.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2022, 07:11:00 PM
If he's behind Guilbert and Young in the queue, get him out on loan to the Ch'ship. If he's second choice, he could easily compete with Cash who I think is overrated.

Intriguing, if only you'd mentioned this previously. ;)

 :) I do like him but I think he's targeted by teams attacking us due to his positional sense and carelessness in possession at times.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 23, 2022, 07:13:36 PM
Looks a hell of a prospect, there is no substitute for pace and he is very quick.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Rigadon on July 23, 2022, 07:40:26 PM
We have some cracking young players at the moment.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Risso on July 23, 2022, 10:04:10 PM
He looks very, very good indeed.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2022, 10:06:13 PM
Do we need more speed-demons? Him and Bailey down the same wing could scare the bojangles out of any team. We don't have much rapid electricity elsewhere though, do we?  :-\
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2022, 07:57:59 AM
Might he be an option to put on in place of Bailey as well as Cash?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: algy on July 24, 2022, 08:21:43 AM
The kid looks very, very good.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2022, 08:43:08 AM
Absolutely agreed, he looks an incredible talent.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2022, 09:35:52 AM
He's looked a great prospect for some time now.  I'd like to see him as back up to Cash, although his minutes wll be pretty limited.  But with the 5 subs I think he could be a genuine attacking option to bring on if we're chasing a game.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Dogtanian on July 25, 2022, 09:44:01 AM
He's looked a great prospect for some time now.  I'd like to see him as back up to Cash, although his minutes wll be pretty limited.  But with the 5 subs I think he could be a genuine attacking option to bring on if we're chasing a game.

I think so too. We want him in training with the first team and learning all he can, playing in the cup games, and getting used to the league. He's played well against both Man U and Man City this year, so we can see he's capable. It also helps us rest Cash and keep him fresh, as bombing up and down the pitch all match is hard work.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: SaddVillan on August 11, 2022, 07:50:24 PM
According to t'Interwebnet a loan to Huddersfield is being discussed.

If it goes through, where does that leave Monsieur Guilbert?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 11, 2022, 08:20:22 PM
He should be pushing Cash hard for his place not going on loan.
He has extraordinary pace which is a rarity.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2022, 08:23:54 PM
According to t'Interwebnet a loan to Huddersfield is being discussed.

If it goes through, where does that leave Monsieur Guilbert?

Must surely mean he's staying.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Mister E on August 11, 2022, 08:55:46 PM
According to t'Interwebnet a loan to Huddersfield is being discussed.
If it goes through, where does that leave Monsieur Guilbert?
Must surely mean he's staying.
Or, Cashley (**shudders**) is our cover for RB.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Drummond on August 12, 2022, 12:53:00 AM
Or Chambers. Or Konsa.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: rooboy316 on August 12, 2022, 01:10:02 AM
Or Chambers. Or Konsa.
Both would suffice as temporary cover. Lumping Young in there too, but I wouldn't want him there for a whole game. With Gerrard's formation and importance on fullbacks as attackers, any long stretches with Cash injured would be quite problematic.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 12, 2022, 09:29:26 AM
Considering the impressive cameos in pre season that would be quite strange to let him go out now - maybe 6 months loan might be worth it as Cash is rarely out injured so game time might be limited
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2022, 09:41:47 AM
Hmm.  I've go high hopes for this kid and thought with 5 subs he could be a genuine attacking option off the bench.  But if he's not even going to get on the bench then it would be better for his development to go on loan.

Quite why we need two centre backs on the bench I don't know.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2022, 10:57:52 AM
Hmm.  I've go high hopes for this kid and thought with 5 subs he could be a genuine attacking option off the bench.  But if he's not even going to get on the bench then it would be better for his development to go on loan.

Quite why we need two centre backs on the bench I don't know.
agree.
We seem to be making lots of poor decisions
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2022, 11:08:04 AM
Considering the impressive cameos in pre season that would be quite strange to let him go out now - maybe 6 months loan might be worth it as Cash is rarely out injured so game time might be limited

That's where I'm at. Matty plays a lot of minutes so maybe 6 months in the Championship (a step-up from last season in League 1) will be better for his long-term development.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2022, 11:30:08 AM
Whilst it won't do him any harm, he's been out on loan twice already. I'd rather have him on our bench. I think he'd make a good attacking option as well as full back cover.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2022, 11:34:54 AM
Whilst it won't do him any harm, he's been out on loan twice already. I'd rather have him on our bench. I think he'd make a good attacking option as well as full back cover.

Agreed. What we've got now is Ashley Young effectively taking his place, which is a daft situation to be in.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: OCD on August 12, 2022, 11:40:15 AM
Whilst it won't do him any harm, he's been out on loan twice already. I'd rather have him on our bench. I think he'd make a good attacking option as well as full back cover.

He's still only 19. It's not unusual for players to have several loans before they come into the thinking for the first team and yes, he's been on loan to 2 different clubs but it's 1 season of league football.

I was hoping he would be Cash's understudy this season and with him looking good during pre-season but a season at a championship club who did well last season and almost got promotion will do him a lot of good. In a year's time Young will retire or go elsewhere and KKH will step-up, pretty much seemlessly, you would think.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Smithy on August 12, 2022, 11:43:33 AM
The Championship is a good step up again for him - six months in league 2 and excelled, six months in league 1 and did well.  Now let's see what he can do in the Championship. A good six months there and he'll be ready to push Cash as part of the first-team squad.

I can see the advantages of keeping him here as Cash's understudy, but Cash played more minutes than any other outfield player in the entire league last year.  If he's fit, he plays, and he doesn't appear to tire in games, so I can see why the club might think a 6-month Championship loan would do KKH good.

I'd like to see him play our cup games, but I suspect 20-odd championship games will be better for him than a handful of early-round cup games for us?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: London Villan on August 12, 2022, 11:44:17 AM
The benefit of keeping him is that he doesn't take up a squad place and can be cover at right-back, the balance is that he won't develop sat on the bench or playing a league cup match or two. Tricky one to decide.

Who would you rather have as back-up to Cash - taking into account how important an attacking right-back is to our current set-up - KKH or Young or Feddie (Konsa and Chambers are just not attacking full-backs)

Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2022, 11:49:53 AM
He is going to be better than Cash, it’s just a matter of when.
He might be allready.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Smithy on August 12, 2022, 11:53:26 AM
Whilst it won't do him any harm, he's been out on loan twice already. I'd rather have him on our bench. I think he'd make a good attacking option as well as full back cover.

He's still only 19. It's not unusual for players to have several loans before they come into the thinking for the first team and yes, he's been on loan to 2 different clubs but it's 1 season of league football.

I was hoping he would be Cash's understudy this season and with him looking good during pre-season but a season at a championship club who did well last season and almost got promotion will do him a lot of good. In a year's time Young will retire or go elsewhere and KKH will step-up, pretty much seemlessly, you would think.

Multiple loans is not a bad thing at all - especially if the loans are at progressively higher levels.  He's only had one full season of senior football (still pretty good for a 19-year-old).  Mason Mount had two seasons on loan before getting regular football at Chelsea, Tammy Abraham had three seasons, Harry Kane had FOUR loans across three seasons before becoming a Spurs regular.

I just picked those three because they are all TOP players, domestically and internationally, who've had multiple loans in their earlier years.

The time to worry is if the loans aren't a step up on their previous loans, a la Keinan Davis, which suggests his time is done here.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Smithy on August 12, 2022, 11:56:35 AM
He is going to be better than Cash, it’s just a matter of when.
He might be allready.

If he is ready, then he will show it in the Championship and he'll be in our side come January.  The Championship, after all, is where Cash's performances convinced us to pay £16m for him after just ONE season as a right-back.  If he stands out as an attacking right-back as well as Cash did, then he'll have no issues in the Championship at all!
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: dicedlam on August 12, 2022, 01:20:56 PM
Whilst it won't do him any harm, he's been out on loan twice already. I'd rather have him on our bench. I think he'd make a good attacking option as well as full back cover.

Agree.

Especially now there is the five subs rule. Kaine would be a great impact sub to have if we are chasing the game. He could even play in the right wing position and then move Bailey over to the left.
 
I am still a a little wary to the defensive side of his game, but a step up a division will surely give us a chance to see how he does.

Good luck Kaine.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Ian. on August 12, 2022, 01:22:57 PM
I agree Clampy, he’s ready and would be very good to have this season available.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2022, 02:48:23 PM
Huddersfield have a good player on their hands. Pity, but at least can see him regularly now and watch his progress.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2022, 03:03:52 PM
The Championship is a good step up again for him - six months in league 2 and excelled, six months in league 1 and did well.  Now let's see what he can do in the Championship. A good six months there and he'll be ready to push Cash as part of the first-team squad.

I can see the advantages of keeping him here as Cash's understudy, but Cash played more minutes than any other outfield player in the entire league last year.  If he's fit, he plays, and he doesn't appear to tire in games, so I can see why the club might think a 6-month Championship loan would do KKH good.

I'd like to see him play our cup games, but I suspect 20-odd championship games will be better for him than a handful of early-round cup games for us?

Agree with all that except that Cash being a permanent starter. What about when his form dips?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2022, 03:13:03 PM
Maybe we can’t shift Freddie as easily as we thought and he’s going to be given another crack at the back up RB spot. Also Calum Chambers can play there also. But I’d have loved to see KKH given a shot at taking the RB spot from Matty Cash this season.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: caster troy on August 12, 2022, 04:35:28 PM
Maybe we can’t shift Freddie as easily as we thought and he’s going to be given another crack at the back up RB spot. Also Calum Chambers can play there also. But I’d have loved to see KKH given a shot at taking the RB spot from Matty Cash this season.

Guilbert got the bomb squad treatment with Chukwuemeka, so I don't think he will be in our plans even if we can't sell him. Personally I'm disappointed we are loaning him out again.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2022, 04:53:56 PM
I'd be absolutely amazed if Guilbert makes the squad this season.  I guess we're going with Chambers / Konsa as back up.  A bit short sighted for me given the attacking dimension KKH can add.  If we're chasing a game it would seem a great wildcard to be able to chuck him on.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: Chris Smith on August 12, 2022, 04:58:05 PM
I agree Clampy, he’s ready and would be very good to have this season available.

The flip side of that is that Cash stays fit and he gets very few chances to play in which case he’s better off getting regular football elsewhere.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 12, 2022, 05:04:17 PM
Good luck KKH.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: Villafirst on August 12, 2022, 06:05:34 PM
I don't agree with this at all. Show some bloody faith for once! He came on against Man United, and he along with Bailey transformed the game and caused United all sorts of problems down the right.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: gpbarr on August 12, 2022, 06:21:08 PM
The poor decisions of late continue
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2022, 06:34:16 PM
has Guilbert gone?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2022, 06:51:36 PM
If we are doing this knowing Guilbert is history then to my mind that is a mistake.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: SteveN on August 12, 2022, 06:53:53 PM
What madness is this?
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2022, 07:05:33 PM
I'd have preferred a half season loan, get him playing at a level higher than he has before and then see if he's ready for the first team squad in the New Year.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2022, 07:10:51 PM
The poor decisions of late continue
Yep,
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2022, 07:37:43 PM
I think it's pretty clear that he sees Young as covering for Cash for this season so this makes sense to ensure KKH doesn't stagnate with no game time. It's the same reasoning I've been using for why I wouldn't have a problem with Archer going out again for a few months.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2022, 07:42:44 PM
After Leon, Kessler is the only speed merchant we have so unless we sign one or two, this kid will be vital to us in the coming seasons.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: SteveN on August 12, 2022, 08:00:36 PM
After Leon, Kessler is the only speed merchant we have so unless we sign one or two, this kid will be vital to us in the coming seasons.

I suggest it might be this season
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: AV82EC on August 12, 2022, 09:19:12 PM
The right decision in my view. More progression for the lad at Championship level after loans at L2 and L1 last season. He’d have maybe got League Cup and League Trophy games this season with possibly some cameos behind Cash, which isn’t enough in my view for his development.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: Ads on August 12, 2022, 10:24:08 PM
I think its the right decision too. By next  year we'll have a young player with 60+ matches under his belt of first team football. He's not going to force Cash out the side and he won't learn enough sat on the bench.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2022, 11:17:15 PM
I think its the right decision too. By next  year we'll have a young player with 60+ matches under his belt of first team football. He's not going to force Cash out the side and he won't learn enough sat on the bench.

Exactly, he will improve significantly more on loan than filling our bench. Long term this is the best option.  Even in he short term I don’t think we are exposed with young and Fred in reserve.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 12, 2022, 11:41:36 PM
If we are going to use Guilbert as cover, fair enough. If the plan is still to shift Guilbert and have the Ghost of Ashley Young as our first choice right back AND winger on the bench, then it's fucking mental.

Either way, good luck KKH. I reckon he is going to be great. Hopefully this will aid his development and he can come in and fight for a first team place next season.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 13, 2022, 06:00:32 PM
I would of liked KKH to stay as back up/challenge to Cash and if Cash gets injured or loses form, we’ll struggle there.
Saying that he’ll be playing for a team probably challenging at the top end of the championship, so a step up from his previous loans. Hopefully he’ll come back completely ready for the first team if and when needed.
Title: Re: Kaine Kesler Hayden (on loan at Huddersfield)
Post by: Dogtanian on August 13, 2022, 07:13:50 PM
Looks like our lad has made a good impression first time out.

From the Huddersfield Town forum:

“He was my MoM and I reckon there’s more to come. Lovely touch, doesn’t flinch a tackle, disciplined and a good array of passes.

Three or four times, he threatened that run in behind and that could be a real potent weapon once they all get on the same wavelength.

Great potential - great signing.”
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