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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Scratchins on July 09, 2021, 08:25:21 AM

Title: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Scratchins on July 09, 2021, 08:25:21 AM
The Mirror is suggesting that there could be knighthoods if England win.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: UK Redsox on July 09, 2021, 08:41:09 AM
Which is a ridiculous, as is saying that Monday should be a bank holiday.

It's not as if it's the World Cup
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: London Villan on July 09, 2021, 09:01:48 AM
It's bigger and will have more impact than the Olympians or cricketers that have been knighted recently.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2021, 09:02:29 AM
Which is a ridiculous, as is saying that Monday should be a bank holiday.

It's not as if it's the World Cup

Is it harder to win?
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2021, 09:03:48 AM
I wouldn't say so, on the basis that mediocre teams like Portugal and Greece have won it. Only genuinely big football nations have won the World Cup. World Cup is much harder to qualify for, too.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: dr.chekov on July 09, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
They’d no doubt turn it down, like the good Marxists they are.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2021, 09:17:07 AM
Nightmare if that bloody Lizard Queen sneakily taps them on the shoulders with a sword while they're doing the knee 😡
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2021, 09:18:12 AM
How absurd. Southgate maybe, but not the players.

Very Small Heath in an international setting. Small time.
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Post by: luke:lamf on July 09, 2021, 09:18:43 AM
Ridiculous. Maybe, maybe... Southgate would just about merit one, but I feel sure that most of the '66 winning squad didn't get knighthoods, and the ones that did got them years later.

I find it absurd that sportspeople get them with careers ongoing. Andy Murray and Lewis Hamilton would certainly have deserved them upon retirement, but I think it cheapens them somewhat to have young, active sportspeople with the honour.
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Post by: DennisHodgetts on July 09, 2021, 09:19:44 AM
How absurd. Southgate maybe, but not the players.

Very Small Heath in an international setting. Small time.
Small Heath would retire all the shirt numbers!
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2021, 09:21:43 AM
I don't think it's that absurd to be honest, didn't Paul Collingwood get an OBE for scoring eight in The Ashes? They only had to beat one team to win that...
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 09, 2021, 09:34:46 AM
Ridiculous idea.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 09, 2021, 09:40:52 AM
I don't think it's that absurd to be honest, didn't Paul Collingwood get an OBE for scoring eight in The Ashes? They only had to beat one team to win that...

And got mercilessly sledged by Warne as a result.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2021, 09:45:52 AM
Can Aussies still get knighthoods? Pretty sure the Don had one but not aware of, say, Warne or Ponting getting the call?

What about other Commonwealth countries, has Usain Bolt got one yet?
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 09, 2021, 09:56:26 AM
Can Aussies still get knighthoods? Pretty sure the Don had one but not aware of, say, Warne or Ponting getting the call?

What about other Commonwealth countries, has Usain Bolt got one yet?

Sir Don Bradman. Sir Edmund Hillary. Rolf could have been a contender.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 09, 2021, 10:13:15 AM
Which is a ridiculous, as is saying that Monday should be a bank holiday.

It's not as if it's the World Cup

Is it harder to win?

It is for England yes.

Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 09, 2021, 10:13:25 AM
Populist government nonsense.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2021, 10:17:50 AM
Populist government nonsense.

One could argue that applies to the whole silly honours system, to be honest. What does an Officer of the British Empire actually do? Do they have to do a month a year service defending Rockall?
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: German James on July 09, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
Populist government nonsense.

One could argue that applies to the whole silly honours system, to be honest.
It does. But this would debase it even further.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 09, 2021, 10:25:34 AM
Populist government nonsense.

Is the right answer. 
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Post by: Dave on July 09, 2021, 10:37:21 AM
Populist government nonsense.

One could argue that applies to the whole silly honours system, to be honest. What does an Officer of the British Empire actually do? Do they have to do a month a year service defending Rockall?

I definitely think those Tory MPs with ridiculous knighthoods should be stuck on a horse in chain-mail and forced to do tours of Leeds city centre at kicking out time.
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Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 09, 2021, 10:56:06 AM
Knighthoods for all are nailed on if we win it with this populist government.

Boris is such a lucky fucker I'm almost certain it's coming home.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 09, 2021, 11:02:32 AM
Not for me, the Super Jack chant wouldn't scan as well.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: OCD on July 09, 2021, 11:09:44 AM
We're acting like a small nation and things like this are a little embarrassing. If we do win, it's long, long overdue and hopefully it will happen more frequently in future.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2021, 11:10:02 AM
I wouldn't say so, on the basis that mediocre teams like Portugal and Greece have won it. Only genuinely big football nations have won the World Cup. World Cup is much harder to qualify for, too.
Yes true. Denmark left their sun beds and won the Euros I can not imagine a team winning the World Cup like that.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Chris Smith on July 09, 2021, 12:23:07 PM
Can Aussies still get knighthoods? Pretty sure the Don had one but not aware of, say, Warne or Ponting getting the call?

What about other Commonwealth countries, has Usain Bolt got one yet?

Sir Don Bradman. Sir Edmund Hillary. Rolf could have been a contender.

Dame Edna Everage.

Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 09, 2021, 02:01:32 PM
Bloody hell.  Knighthoods, Bank Holidays...

Someone make it stop.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2021, 03:10:38 PM
We’ve got a sort of holiday. We can have the day off Monday but only if we promise to come in next Saturday. I’m doing it as I’d have been in on Saturday anyway. It just won’t be overtime.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Ad@m on July 09, 2021, 03:28:55 PM
Bloody hell.  Knighthoods, Bank Holidays...

Someone make it stop.

There is no bandwagon this government won't jump on...!
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: rob_bridge on July 09, 2021, 03:51:23 PM
Bloody hell.  Knighthoods, Bank Holidays...

Someone make it stop.

There is no bandwagon this government won't jump on...!

When was the last time a government didn't jump on a big sporting bandwagon? Maybe 2004 Olympics?
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Neil Hawkes on July 09, 2021, 04:20:37 PM
second word is off, you can guess the first one
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 09, 2021, 04:33:44 PM
second word is off, you can guess the first one

As long as it's not "Jack's".
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 09, 2021, 04:39:50 PM
Can Aussies still get knighthoods? Pretty sure the Don had one but not aware of, say, Warne or Ponting getting the call?

What about other Commonwealth countries, has Usain Bolt got one yet?

Sir Don Bradman. Sir Edmund Hillary. Rolf could have been a contender.

Dame Edna Everage.



Sir Les Patterson.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: robbo1874 on July 09, 2021, 09:16:13 PM
Populist government nonsense.

One could argue that applies to the whole silly honours system, to be honest. What does an Officer of the British Empire actually do? Do they have to do a month a year service defending Rockall?

I definitely think those Tory MPs with ridiculous knighthoods should be stuck on a horse in chain-mail and forced to do tours of Leeds city centre at kicking out time.
you’d let them wear chain mail?
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: robbo1874 on July 09, 2021, 09:19:41 PM
Can Aussies still get knighthoods? Pretty sure the Don had one but not aware of, say, Warne or Ponting getting the call?

What about other Commonwealth countries, has Usain Bolt got one yet?

Sir Don Bradman. Sir Edmund Hillary. Rolf could have been a contender.

Dame Edna Everage.


sir les Patterson
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 09, 2021, 09:28:45 PM
Which is a ridiculous, as is saying that Monday should be a bank holiday.

Sir Keir wants a national holiday if they win. Populist nonsense.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Lizz on July 09, 2021, 10:09:18 PM
I'm in the fortunate position of no longer working by personal choice. Strikes me though making Monday a BH at such short notice is impractical on so many levels.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 09, 2021, 10:18:10 PM
I'm in the fortunate position of no longer working by personal choice. Strikes me though making Monday a BH at such short notice is impractical on so many levels.

'Kin right Lizz. When I was a lefty wage slave shirker, I'd have been all over it. Now that I'm a Thatcherite, up-by-the-bootstraps entrepreneur, I say get the lazy bastards into work so that I can sell them shit before I eff off abroad!
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on July 09, 2021, 10:54:33 PM
Populist government nonsense.

One could argue that applies to the whole silly honours system, to be honest. What does an Officer of the British Empire actually do? Do they have to do a month a year service defending Rockall?

Them's fighting words!

"Oh rock on Rockall you'll never fall for Britains greedy hands..."
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Scratchins on July 10, 2021, 08:39:46 AM
Populist government nonsense.

One could argue that applies to the whole silly honours system, to be honest. What does an Officer of the British Empire actually do? Do they have to do a month a year service defending Rockall?

I had a minor role dealing with the honours system in central government. They were handed out like lollipops as compensation for not getting promoted etc. A colleague had the MBE for working weekends. That went down well with my geriatric consultant friend!





Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Neil Hawkes on July 10, 2021, 09:34:40 AM
second word is off, you can guess the first one

As long as it's not "Jack's".
I never thought of the different connotations............first word is definitely not Jack's
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2021, 01:15:08 PM
It’s a bit funny that in 2021 the awarding of Knighthoods still exists. The monarchy still clinging to whatever it can to remain relevant. I don’t have an issue of recognition, but do it much later in someone’s career. For a substantial body of work, not an isolated event, as significant as this might in a sporting context. The notion of Sir Tyrone (although he deserves it much more for his off the field work) or Sir Jack, as much as we love him, would just be daft.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 10, 2021, 01:28:29 PM
Sir Aaron Ramsdale. 0 caps.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2021, 01:44:44 PM
Sir Aaron Ramsdale. 0 caps.

He'd be first on the list as well.
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Post by: CT on July 10, 2021, 02:35:23 PM
Super, super Sir Jack…..

He’s here, he’s there, he’s every fucking where, Sir Tyrone Mings, Sir Tyrone Mings.

Better get to work on them for the Newcastle game.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 10, 2021, 02:50:19 PM
Doesn't really matter about the title.
We'll just Knight them anyway and fit it into the songs.
Winning is going to put something seriously special on their cv's though.
Not many players can say that they've been part of a European Championship winning team.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2021, 01:38:40 PM
Imagine Jack with a knighthood. I can't see it being used in any other way than for his own end.....
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Post by: Pete3206 on July 11, 2021, 01:51:29 PM
The OP lost me at 'The Mirror'
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Post by: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2021, 02:53:53 PM
Imagine Jack with a knighthood. I can't see it being used in any other way than for his own end.....
literally
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 11, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
Just look at the state of this ******.

(https://i.ibb.co/hLQTzcj/215701001-10158759720753271-2364007165638128908-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hLQTzcj)
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2021, 06:49:45 PM
Just look at the state of this ******.

(https://i.ibb.co/hLQTzcj/215701001-10158759720753271-2364007165638128908-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hLQTzcj)


Utter wankstain.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2021, 07:17:01 PM
Has there ever been a more empty vessel for Prime Minister, who perfectly embodies the “look at me” generation?
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Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2021, 08:16:45 PM
Has there ever been a more empty vessel for Prime Minister, who perfectly embodies the “look at me” generation?

Yet people vote for him
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 12, 2021, 12:57:55 PM
Just look at the state of this ******.

(https://i.ibb.co/hLQTzcj/215701001-10158759720753271-2364007165638128908-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hLQTzcj)


As some wag posted elsewhere "The only time I want to see 3 Lions on his chest is at Longleat Safari Park".
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 12, 2021, 01:43:38 PM
Just look at the state of this ******.

(https://i.ibb.co/hLQTzcj/215701001-10158759720753271-2364007165638128908-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hLQTzcj)


As some wag posted elsewhere "The only time I want to see 3 Lions on his chest is at Longleat Safari Park".

Someone on Twitter said he'd managed to make Number 10 look like a flat roofed pub on a Bolton council estate.
Title: Re: Sir Jack & Sir Tyrone?
Post by: Ad@m on July 12, 2021, 11:24:14 PM
Safe to say that after calling out Patel for the hateful scumbag she is, we probably won't be seeing Sir Tyrone any time soon...
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2021, 06:57:43 AM
Safe to say that after calling out Patel for the hateful scumbag she is, we probably won't be seeing Sir Tyrone any time soon...

She’s probably not even that hateful herself. She just knows her voters are. Anti-racism was deemed unpopular at the start of the tournament. So she opposed it. Now racism seems a bit unpopular, she opposes that.
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Post by: brian green on July 13, 2021, 07:44:43 AM
If you think that picture of Johnson is mind bendingly crass, wait until Mark Cavendish wins on the Champs Elysees next Sunday and the fat buffoon poses on the steps of Downing Street with a bike and his rolls of fat bursting from a Team Quickstep lycra speedsuit.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on July 14, 2021, 01:44:52 AM
A truly nauseating prospect!!
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Post by: Hockley Lion on July 14, 2021, 10:08:32 PM
Just look at the state of this ******.

(https://i.ibb.co/hLQTzcj/215701001-10158759720753271-2364007165638128908-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hLQTzcj)


As some wag posted elsewhere "The only time I want to see 3 Lions on his chest is at Longleat Safari Park".

Someone on Twitter said he'd managed to make Number 10 look like a flat roofed pub on a Bolton council estate.

He really does bring the office of Prime Minister into disrepute. I still haven't got over him being voted Mayor of London.

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