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Title: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 04:39:47 PM
lots of smoke now emerging on this one. If it finalizes as is expected it would represent an astute piece of business in my opinion. Overall last season he played 44 times for Inter Milan, 26 of which for a side that won Italyís Serie A by a mile. Heís not done by a long stretch. Like Milner heís kept himself in superb condition, changed his position successfully which has ultimately prolonged his career that speaks to his overall attitude. Should be come here he will coming to compete for a starting spot which will only make Matt Targett better. Here is a bit from his time in Italy. He still looks really good.

Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 16, 2021, 04:42:34 PM
AndÖ he can take free kicks too from what I remember.

Responsible for one of the most incredible moments Iíve ever had as a Villa fan - that last minute winner v Everton when theyíd scored a last minute equaliser.

Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 04:43:11 PM
With the departures of Taylor and particularly Elmo it's a canny signing, he can cover both fullback and wing positions and has a fuckton of experience and professionalism to bring to the table.

It's less important than that, but it would also really warm my heart. Hope it happens.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2021, 04:45:20 PM
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 04:45:25 PM
He was one of my favourite players during his first stint mainly because of his work rate. Obviously he had so many other great attributes but he never sat out a shift. He wonít be the same player obviously but what he has lost in pace or energy he will be smart enough to introduce other traits we badly need.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ExclDawg on June 16, 2021, 04:47:35 PM
Probably the best kind of cover you can have at a position.  If you don't have a young guy that's looking to break into the first team in the next 2-3 years, then you should have an experienced veteran that can put in professional shifts here and there, that's won a few things and knows what it takes, and can teach all the younger kids all the tricks of the trade.  If he's one of your best players from years past, even better!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 04:56:14 PM
Does he still dive?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Risso on June 16, 2021, 04:57:08 PM
A good idea if it happens. An upgrade on Elmo as a utility player at either full back or wide spot.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 16, 2021, 05:04:04 PM
A good idea if it happens. An upgrade on Elmo as a utility player at either full back or wide spot.

Yep spot on
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 05:04:07 PM
I wonder what Neil Taylor, currently live on telly, thinks about this!

Ash was our star during his time here and has kept himself in great nick. It's an astute piece of business and a bit romantic. Love and money, what more do you need?

It's a pity we're not in Europe as he'd get a fair bit more game time. As it is, he'll struggle to get ahead of Matt Targett most most of the time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 05:07:35 PM
TV, do you mean he started 26 games and was a sub in the remainder (out of 44) for Inter last season?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2021, 05:07:36 PM
Good signing, can play loads of positions, adds depth, adds professionalism and know-how, will inspire our brilliant kids team. Welcome home.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 16, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
Is there anything particularly reliable to confirm this?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Olof's Beard on June 16, 2021, 05:10:29 PM
I wonder what Neil Taylor, currently live on telly, thinks about this!

Ash was our star during his time here and has kept himself in great nick. It's an astute piece of business and a bit romantic. Love and money, what more do you need?

It's a pity we're not in Europe as he'd get a fair bit more game time. As it is, he'll struggle to get ahead of Matt Targett most most of the time.

His versatility will guarantee him game time, he won't just be covering left back even if that's his primary position.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 16, 2021, 05:18:24 PM
TV, do you mean he started 26 games and was a sub in the remainder (out of 44) for Inter last season?

I think  he meant to say he 44 games over 2 seasons, of which 26 were last season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Villafirst on June 16, 2021, 05:19:08 PM
John Percy is pretty reliable with his journalism. Looks highly likely he'll return to Villa Park. Apparently we've hijacked Burnley's deal to sign Young. Smart business in my opinion, he can cover a number of positions with his versatility. Also, he's very fit still and a great athlete. Can only be good as he can mentor the younger players with his experience.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 05:22:04 PM
Might have missed something, but I haven't seen anything from Percy on this...
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 05:25:58 PM
I wonder what Neil Taylor, currently live on telly, thinks about this!

Ash was our star during his time here and has kept himself in great nick. It's an astute piece of business and a bit romantic. Love and money, what more do you need?

It's a pity we're not in Europe as he'd get a fair bit more game time. As it is, he'll struggle to get ahead of Matt Targett most most of the time.

His versatility will guarantee him game time, he won't just be covering left back even if that's his primary position.

True. Could come on at half time for one of our erratic wingers.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2021, 05:26:30 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
Might have missed something, but I haven't seen anything from Percy on this...

It's Tweeted via Telegraph sport account rather than his personal one.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TelegraphSport/status/1405185260778819598


Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2021, 05:29:36 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

I'll be happy if he does it against them. We owe those ******.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: not3bad on June 16, 2021, 05:33:00 PM
Yeah good move. We need cover at left back and Ash Young has experience in the European leagues which will hopefully come in very handy soon.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 05:33:19 PM
Might have missed something, but I haven't seen anything from Percy on this...

It's Tweeted via Telegraph sport account rather than his personal one.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TelegraphSport/status/1405185260778819598

Noooiiiiice. Very happy with this.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: algy on June 16, 2021, 05:34:53 PM
I wonder what Neil Taylor, currently live on telly, thinks about this!

Ash was our star during his time here and has kept himself in great nick. It's an astute piece of business and a bit romantic. Love and money, what more do you need?

It's a pity we're not in Europe as he'd get a fair bit more game time. As it is, he'll struggle to get ahead of Matt Targett most most of the time.

His versatility will guarantee him game time, he won't just be covering left back even if that's his primary position.

True. Could come on at half time for one of our erratic wingers.
Yeah, he can play in enough positions that, whilst he might not be a regular in any one of them, he'll easy rack up 20-30 appearances.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2021, 05:43:58 PM
Maybe with an eye on moving into coaching as well.

"And this is how you make Joleon Lescott look like a ******, when he's not doing it by himself"
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 05:47:11 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Ian. on June 16, 2021, 05:53:46 PM
Interesting signing, obviously a very different version of Ashley Young to his last stint and hopefully a great addition to our squad adding a certain amount of experience which we definitely lack now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: darren woolley on June 16, 2021, 05:56:01 PM
I would be happy if we resign Ashly Young.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2021, 05:56:38 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Demitri_C on June 16, 2021, 06:04:48 PM
Scenes when he scores the winner at villa park against his former club at man united

Very happy if this comes off. The experience would be great
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: garyellis on June 16, 2021, 06:09:41 PM
It is an absolute no brainer
No transfer fee and an upgrade on cover compared to the two who have just left.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 06:10:16 PM
TV, do you mean he started 26 games and was a sub in the remainder (out of 44) for Inter last season?

I think  he meant to say he 44 games over 2 seasons, of which 26 were last season.

Yes correct. Sorry if that wasnít clear. Essentially he made appearances in 26/38 league games last season plus he played in a total of 8 of domestic cup and CL games. So involved in 34 games in total for last season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 16, 2021, 06:10:44 PM
Decent crosser of the ball from set pieces too.

Obviously not the same player that he was when he first played with us, but he was the most exciting Villa player I've seen. Possibly now overtaken by Grealish.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 16, 2021, 06:20:24 PM
Not sure about this one to be honest but I'll hope for the best.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: TonyD on June 16, 2021, 06:35:12 PM
I think we should stick to players on the way up and not on the way down. 
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Kevin Dawson on June 16, 2021, 06:37:27 PM
We've lost Heaton, Taylor and Elmo.....for.a year of experience I'd take him
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: BC Villain on June 16, 2021, 06:38:32 PM
Mixed thoughts about this.  I'm wary about re-signing players who were a hit the first time round.  We'll wait and see
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 16, 2021, 06:40:09 PM
Free transfer and only 1 year deal.

1 year extension posdobke if it goes well, so I don't see what we have to lose.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: brontebilly on June 16, 2021, 06:43:14 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

That incident trumps the 37 goals and 59 assists (thanks transfermarkt) he got for us?? He won many a penalty for us too by dubious enough means...

I'd be suspect enough about what he can offer us on the pitch, some on here will explode if wing backs are being considered a tactical option for next season....but off the pitch, another solid pro who has played at the top level could only be a good influence to the younger player we have
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: danno on June 16, 2021, 06:57:46 PM
Fair play to Ashley Young, clever way to jump the 8000 on the season ticket waiting list. If he can teach our lads how to take corners and free kicks it's money well spent.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 16, 2021, 06:58:21 PM
Decent crosser of the ball from set pieces too.

Obviously not the same player that he was when he first played with us, but he was the most exciting Villa player I've seen. Possibly now overtaken by Grealish.

Decent? He was outstanding.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 07:00:29 PM
I think we should stick to players on the way up and not on the way down. 

Why canít we do both? Clubs way better than us (at the moment) donít just stick to one approach when it comes to player acquisition. If signing experienced players is good for Juventus or Barcelona then we can employ a bit of both. Itís important we focus on development as you are suggesting but coupled with the right mix of experience it will help those younger players progress a little quicker.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 07:15:15 PM
Fair play to Ashley Young, clever way to jump the 8000 on the season ticket waiting list. If he can teach our lads how to take corners and free kicks it's money well spent.

Can hone Jack's diving skills too.

Imagine, how they'll be taking the news in Small Heath. "Greasy" and Young feigning their way to the Champions League with the Vile. It's gonna be sweet!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 16, 2021, 07:19:48 PM
I think we should stick to players on the way up and not on the way down. 

Why canít we do both? Clubs way better than us (at the moment) donít just stick to one approach when it comes to player acquisition. If signing experienced players is good for Juventus or Barcelona then we can employ a bit of both. Itís important we focus on development as you are suggesting but coupled with the right mix of experience it will help those younger players progress a little quicker.

Good point.  Just looking to last season, Cavani for Man United, and Thiago Silva for Chelsea, were hugely effective signings (not that Ashley Young is in their league, but the principle holds good).
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 16, 2021, 07:30:55 PM
I always tend to sway towards the view of "never go back" as it rarely works out.  Beyond Sid and, to an extent, Staunton, I can't think of many at the Villa where it's been a success.  However, basking in the optimism that we are now proactively brilliant in the transfer market, I will look forward to Ash rolling back the years as we march on to Champions League qualification.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: villadelph on June 16, 2021, 07:36:42 PM
I don't think there should be any fuss surrounding this one.

I would prefer Young to Elmo, Guilbert, Taylor, etc. in the case that Cash/Targett were unavailable. He knows his way around the grounds and would be a unique influence on our youth and newcomers.

Sign em up!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: London Villan on June 16, 2021, 07:38:28 PM
Heíll start 10 games, max, including league cup.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 16, 2021, 07:42:52 PM
Given the circumstances (ie Young's age, the number of years since he last played for us, the quality of our first choice players in his position, and the length of the likely contract), I think we can see this possible signing purely on its own merits rather than as the signing of a former player.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2021, 07:49:17 PM
Considering he'd basically be replacing Neil Taylor, I think I'd take a 40 year old Ashley Young for that job.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 16, 2021, 08:09:54 PM
RCF's also a big fan of the 40-year-old version.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 16, 2021, 08:17:53 PM
this would be a really clever signing - cover for both full backs. Experience and a winning mentality. Nothing to criticise here.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: dorsetvillian on June 16, 2021, 08:32:09 PM
Makes complete sense. Very good recruitment if it comes off.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 16, 2021, 08:41:02 PM
Hope this comes off. It would be great for our young squad to train and play alongside a bloke who's won league titles in England and Italy.

And although it's largely immaterial, a part of me would be quietly emotional at a really good Villa player coming home.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 09:09:12 PM
Can't wait til he rocks up for his first Pravda interview in 10 years and who's there to meet him....only his old mucker, Jack Woodward.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 09:19:44 PM
this would be a really clever signing - cover for both full backs. Experience and a winning mentality. Nothing to criticise here.

And he takes set pieces.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: The Edge on June 16, 2021, 09:22:55 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.
You read my mind. I remember being disgusted with him that day. Especially when you look at the trend for not celebrating a goal against your former club. His lack of respect for us that day was very poor form indeed.
Edit: however with Elmo and Taylor going I do understand the logic behind it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 09:36:37 PM
Footballers don't have any loyalty. Expecting it is just setting yourself up for disappointment as a fan.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: steamer on June 16, 2021, 09:47:51 PM
Signing an experienced pro to replace one leaving (elmo , taylor ) is fine with me
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Damo70 on June 16, 2021, 09:54:03 PM
It would be a no from me purely because he is thirty five years of age. If he comes I hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 09:56:32 PM
Footballers don't have any loyalty. Expecting it is just setting yourself up for disappointment as a fan.

Do football clubs have loyalty to players?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: passport1 on June 16, 2021, 10:01:34 PM
No definitely  not.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Ad@m on June 16, 2021, 10:34:26 PM
Footballers don't have any loyalty. Expecting it is just setting yourself up for disappointment as a fan.

Do football clubs have loyalty to players?

Bouma and Petrov spring to mind.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 11:03:24 PM
They are outliers. Clubs are run as businesses, not charities (though tenure and commitment by a player may be rewarded) and players have 15 years or so to make as much moolah as they can. So, as much as I'd love Jack to stay here for the rest of his career, if and when he does leave, it will be impossible to begrudge him (unless he downgrades and goes to Arsenal).
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 16, 2021, 11:11:04 PM
We were a charity once.  We gave Lescott a contract.  And Simon Dawkins.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2021, 11:11:37 PM
RCF's also a big fan of the 40-year-old version.

You're wasted on here. Philistines!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 11:14:05 PM
We were a charity once.  We gave Lescott a contract.  And Simon Dawkins.

Dawkins! And Omar Cummings....or was he just a triallist?

Jesus, Lambert really did a number on expectation-management.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: The Edge on June 16, 2021, 11:41:04 PM
We were a charity once.  We gave Lescott a contract.  And Simon Dawkins.
That wasn't money wasted though. He did come up with The Theory Of Everything and some amazing stuff about Quantum Physics.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Legion on June 16, 2021, 11:51:50 PM
Not too sure about this.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 17, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Makes total sense, senior head and experience in the dressing room that weve lost. Can cover both fullback roles. Done deal
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: sickbeggar on June 17, 2021, 09:09:49 AM
A bit of a strange one to me. Don't think its a terrible acquisition, but i'm struggling to see the point really.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Towser on June 17, 2021, 09:11:40 AM
John Percy now reporting this will be confirmed in the next 24 hours
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 09:20:56 AM
A bit of a strange one to me. Don't think its a terrible acquisition, but i'm struggling to see the point really.

I see him as an upgrade on Elmo.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Ian. on June 17, 2021, 09:23:54 AM
A bit of a strange one to me. Don't think its a terrible acquisition, but i'm struggling to see the point really.

I see him as an upgrade on Elmo.


I really like Cash but heís going to always pick up bookings with his very enthusiastic nature, Iím sure Young can do the business back there when called upon.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on June 17, 2021, 09:29:18 AM
Its a yes from me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Nev on June 17, 2021, 09:31:32 AM
Well, they say never go back so I'm taking a guarded approach. Of course his experience and maturity will help but I'm always nervous about signing players on their way back down.

If Dean and the staff think it's a worthy addition then so be it, here's to it working out for both parties.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: UK Redsox on June 17, 2021, 09:36:53 AM
Villa have two young full backs.
You're not going to get a peak-of-career player as backup without Champions League football.
You don't really want to rely on an under 21/23 as backup
The Guilbert situation is a bit of a mystery

Therefore, bringing in an experienced old-pro to act as injury cover and play a few games makes perfect sense. Forget the fact that it looks like being Ash.

With both Elmo and Taylor leaving, either Freddie has to come back into the fold or Villa need another signing in addition to Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: sickbeggar on June 17, 2021, 09:46:03 AM
A bit of a strange one to me. Don't think its a terrible acquisition, but i'm struggling to see the point really.

I see him as an upgrade on Elmo.

Well he is provided his legs haven't gone. I just see it as so...Ö...temporary. Could be that Smith doesn't want to spend the money on a squad/challenging full-back this summer, or he thinks someone from the youth will be ready next season. Dunno. He's free I guess.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2021, 09:51:59 AM
I've said this so many times that I worry I'm becoming a bore, but Dean doesn't sign the players.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Demitri_C on June 17, 2021, 09:52:15 AM
The more i think of this move on a free as well i think this is a shrewd but of business.

To reject Watford for us as well a club he has a big affirmation with shows he has a soft spot for this club
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Dick Edwards on June 17, 2021, 09:56:07 AM
The more i think of this move on a free as well i think this is a shrewd but of business.

To reject Watford for us as well a club he has a big affirmation with shows he has a soft spot for this club

His spot may have no doubt been softened by us offering him more money than Watford.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Demitri_C on June 17, 2021, 09:59:45 AM
The more i think of this move on a free as well i think this is a shrewd but of business.

To reject Watford for us as well a club he has a big affirmation with shows he has a soft spot for this club

His spot may have no doubt been softened by us offering him more money than Watford.

Could be but i think he has fonder memories here than Watford.  Maybe working with top players like buendia and grealish too
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: AllanW on June 17, 2021, 10:04:11 AM

I really like Cash but heís going to always pick up bookings with his very enthusiastic nature, Iím sure Young can do the business back there when called upon.

That's the element of his arrival, if that's on the cards, that is most important to me; he will occupy one of the 25 PL roster places and needs therefore to justify it. He has a number of decent positives to bring to the table but I'm not as convinced as you are of some of the more key ones.

He can undoubtedly cover left and right back positions. Plus. Good flexibility; can't understand why he hasn't made Southgates' squad with his versatility in this regard. Multi-use all-rounders being his particular fetish.

He has vast, top-flight experience to bring to the young squad. Plus. Great international and top club experience, solid and calm under pressure, Villa history as well; what's not to like about this aspect?

Presumably affordable. Plus. Not a vast length contract, not a vast wage addition, presumably. Makes sense to have a mix of players to add variety and bridge the time until the academy prospects can justify their first team inclusion without the obstruction of a lengthy contract to overcome. All good.

BUT

He'll be used as defensive cover and that's where my concern is; he's not as good as you might think. Not my opinion, look at the various statistics and analytical feeds available to all.

On 'WhoScored' for example, under 'defensive' they rate his tackling as his weakness.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/8166/Show/Ashley-Young

At 'One-versus-One' his current defensive capabilities are great going forward but very low on winning headers, getting in blocks and winning tackles.
https://one-versus-one.com/en/players/Ashley-Young

This is the classic picture of a wing-back. Of course the numbers are not the be-all-and-end-all but they do paint a picture. It's a picture of 'nice wing-back going forward'. My point is that for maybe 8 or 10 games next season, when pushing for Europe, we will need a strong-tackling, able to dig in, rough, tough defender. Not pretty but effective, to help us grab a point from a bad position or hold out for a win away from home for the last 20 minutes. And I'm not sure he's that defender.

I'm all for the story of his return, I appreciate his many advantages I'm just not convinced that he'll be the best option at the one thing we absolutely NEED him to do; effectively counter the likes of Sterling, Mane, Rashford, Havertz, Richarlison, and all the other PL strikers operating from wide. None of the academy players, who wouldn't occupy a roster position, can provide this defensive bite IMO. So if we need someone, and we do to cover wide on both sides, I'd prefer an out-and-out defensive biter. 

Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 10:15:14 AM
I think itíd be a very sensible signing.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Allan C on June 17, 2021, 10:26:27 AM
Itís the right kind of transfer we should do right now, a proven quality, PL (and higher) experience player who will be cover in various positions. I personally lost all warmth and liking for him when he performed that ridiculous dive against us. For that reason Iíd rather he didnít come but I can see the benefits if he does
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2021, 10:27:19 AM
Allan C and Allan W posting so close together confuses me!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Allan C on June 17, 2021, 10:30:24 AM
Allan C and Allan W posting so close together confuses me!
Funnily enough, it does me too!! I sometimes think Iíve posted something that I havenít
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: AllanW on June 17, 2021, 10:35:18 AM

Funnily enough, it does me too!! I sometimes think Iíve posted something that I havenít

Hehe. Nice one.

But there is one surefire way of telling whether it's you or me who has posted; your posts don't get trashed by the troglodytes as soon as they appear. No matter what content they have.

On Young, I can see the benefits, like you, I'm just not convinced on the defensive side.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2021, 10:36:01 AM
Allan C and Allan W posting so close together confuses me!
Funnily enough, it does me too!! I sometimes think Iíve posted something that I havenít

You wouldn't have the time, Allan!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: sickbeggar on June 17, 2021, 10:39:40 AM

I really like Cash but heís going to always pick up bookings with his very enthusiastic nature, Iím sure Young can do the business back there when called upon.

That's the element of his arrival, if that's on the cards, that is most important to me; he will occupy one of the 25 PL roster places and needs therefore to justify it. He has a number of decent positives to bring to the table but I'm not as convinced as you are of some of the more key ones.

He can undoubtedly cover left and right back positions. Plus. Good flexibility; can't understand why he hasn't made Southgates' squad with his versatility in this regard. Multi-use all-rounders being his particular fetish.

He has vast, top-flight experience to bring to the young squad. Plus. Great international and top club experience, solid and calm under pressure, Villa history as well; what's not to like about this aspect?

Presumably affordable. Plus. Not a vast length contract, not a vast wage addition, presumably. Makes sense to have a mix of players to add variety and bridge the time until the academy prospects can justify their first team inclusion without the obstruction of a lengthy contract to overcome. All good.

BUT

He'll be used as defensive cover and that's where my concern is; he's not as good as you might think. Not my opinion, look at the various statistics and analytical feeds available to all.

On 'WhoScored' for example, under 'defensive' they rate his tackling as his weakness.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/8166/Show/Ashley-Young

At 'One-versus-One' his current defensive capabilities are great going forward but very low on winning headers, getting in blocks and winning tackles.
https://one-versus-one.com/en/players/Ashley-Young

This is the classic picture of a wing-back. Of course the numbers are not the be-all-and-end-all but they do paint a picture. It's a picture of 'nice wing-back going forward'. My point is that for maybe 8 or 10 games next season, when pushing for Europe, we will need a strong-tackling, able to dig in, rough, tough defender. Not pretty but effective, to help us grab a point from a bad position or hold out for a win away from home for the last 20 minutes. And I'm not sure he's that defender.

I'm all for the story of his return, I appreciate his many advantages I'm just not convinced that he'll be the best option at the one thing we absolutely NEED him to do; effectively counter the likes of Sterling, Mane, Rashford, Havertz, Richarlison, and all the other PL strikers operating from wide. None of the academy players, who wouldn't occupy a roster position, can provide this defensive bite IMO. So if we need someone, and we do to cover wide on both sides, I'd prefer an out-and-out defensive biter.


Strange. When he was ManU, their main complaint from memory is he created nothing going forward. Although that could have been a Mourinho thing
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: AllanW on June 17, 2021, 10:46:19 AM

Strange. When he was ManU, their main complaint from memory is he created nothing going forward. Although that could have been a Mourinho thing

Probably a Mourinho thing. He's been used for England as a wing-back most often I think.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 17, 2021, 10:54:59 AM
Allan C and Allan W posting so close together confuses me!

They're both the same in my head.  All Allans look the same there.
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Post by: not3bad on June 17, 2021, 10:57:30 AM
I like the symmetry of the move. The first time Ashley Young came to us we were a side on the up who finished 11th that season. Now he may come to us when we're a side on the up that just finished 11th.
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Post by: algy on June 17, 2021, 11:25:55 AM
Well he is provided his legs haven't gone. I just see it as so...Ö...temporary. Could be that Smith doesn't want to spend the money on a squad/challenging full-back this summer, or he thinks someone from the youth will be ready next season. Dunno. He's free I guess.
Yeah, he's a temporary signing.  I think in a few cases, though, doing that's justified.

At the moment, if we were signing a backup fullback I'd guess our options would be fairly limited.  They're not going to get a huge number of games in realistically.  Ashley Young would represent a realistic challenger to both of their first team places, and is undoubtedly a Champions League quality player - he's been a regular for the runaway Serie A winners this season just gone.

Hopefully in 2 years time we'll be playing Champions League - or at least European - football, and we'll be able to offer more games, at a higher level, to any prospective signings.  That should make recruiting a replacement for Young much easier.

I think, like you, I'm really not a fan of short term signings - but in this particular case it's justified.  Plus, as others have said, we've a very young side that's lost some of it's more senior/experienced players this summer.  In moderation, a signing like that can be very effective (e.g. Cambiasso at Leicester)
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: darren woolley on June 17, 2021, 11:27:58 AM
His experience will be very valuable for us.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2021, 11:34:11 AM
Some are really overthinking this. If he had done nothing last year yes we should all be concerned. That wasnít the case at all. He played a key role in his side winning Serie A and played in the CL. We know his attitude first hand. As well as any supporter group. He wonít be the same footballer who left because heís older. But he has clearly modified his game to lengthen his career and will use that versatility and drive to challenge for a starting role and offer leadership on and off the pitch. He knows the club. We know him. This is a super short term signing.
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Post by: Dave on June 17, 2021, 11:45:25 AM

Strange. When he was ManU, their main complaint from memory is he created nothing going forward. Although that could have been a Mourinho thing

Probably a Mourinho thing. He's been used for England as a wing-back most often I think.

Started the World Cup semi-final there.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: rooboy316 on June 17, 2021, 11:57:50 AM
Very little downside risk.. at worst he warms the bench, teaches the youngsters a thing or two, and we pay a year of wages. Plenty of upside if it comes off, and a cost efficient way to get cover in a number of positions Without holding back the youngsters in their development. No brainer for me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: caster troy on June 17, 2021, 12:11:06 PM
Logically he seems the perfect stop gap while we wait for European football to justify a bigger squad and/or our promising U23 full backs to develop. Experienced, winning mentality. Good on set pieces.

Emotionally... 'unfinished business' with us cracking the top 4, big game player, former crowd favourite, former idol of Jacks?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: lovejoy on June 17, 2021, 12:34:01 PM
It's a no from me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Axl Rose on June 17, 2021, 12:51:43 PM
Amazing. Absolutely loved him at the Villa before and was gutted when he left.

Glad he's returning.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Axl Rose on June 17, 2021, 01:09:17 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

Haha. I can also understand this point of view. You've made me laugh, mate.

Still, I want him back!
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
He owes us a decent season after his last one here.

Welcome back, Ashley.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 17, 2021, 02:06:08 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

So, hypothetically, you'd turn down Fernandes on a free?
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 17, 2021, 02:15:48 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

So, hypothetically, you'd turn down Fernandes on a free?
exactly
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Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2021, 02:34:54 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

So, hypothetically, you'd turn down Fernandes on a free?
exactly

Have you got a nose?
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Post by: CT Villan on June 17, 2021, 02:35:44 PM
Seems like a very canny signing if it happens. You would imagine at his age he will be accepting of a back-up role and with his obvious pedigree should push Cash and Targett on to higher performance levels. His contract should be short and most of all, he isn't Micah Richards. No brainer for me !
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 17, 2021, 02:35:48 PM
Sorry, canít get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

So, hypothetically, you'd turn down Fernandes on a free?
exactly

Well, okay. A bit crazy but each to their own.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: sickbeggar on June 17, 2021, 02:38:32 PM
I wouldn't want Fernandez playing for us. Good player but come on, there are limits...
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 17, 2021, 02:54:20 PM
I wouldn't want Fernandez playing for us. Good player but come on, there are limits...

I would not want any shithead from them as they would only see us as a step down. (before anyone says McGrath he was finished at United and we was at the time a step up)

All the footballing reasons  = a great bit of sensible business

Personal = As he left us for them - he is dead to me
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 03:01:19 PM
Iím happy to welcome him back.
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Post by: Allan C on June 17, 2021, 03:12:46 PM
I wouldn't want Fernandez playing for us. Good player but come on, there are limits...
This is exactly why football is like no other thing in life. I absolutely hate Fernandez and the way he whinges and moans and everything he does on the pitch BUT Iíd love him to be playing for us.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2021, 03:57:35 PM
I rate those 2 crosses for Gabby at the Sty or at Old Trafford or the 2 goals he scored against Small Heath when we battered them 5, slightly higher than a dive that one time in a game we got shovelled in anyway.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2021, 04:05:45 PM
I rate those 2 crosses for Gabby at the Sty or at Old Trafford or the 2 goals he scored against Small Heath when we battered them 5, slightly higher than a dive that one time in a game we got shovelled in anyway.

The goal at Everton remains one of my favourite Villa moments ever and I wasn't even there. Had been out for lunch with the missus and dived into The Village in Moseley for the last half an hour, the bar was full of gleeful noses texting their mates when Lescott scored, so they weren't watching when it went it, and me and the one other Villa fan in there sitting about 10ft away from us went mental.

The looks on their faces was priceless.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2021, 04:13:42 PM
Having medical, terms agreed. Sky.
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Post by: Demitri_C on June 17, 2021, 04:18:53 PM
We detested terry before he moved here and we all really respect him for what he has done here.

No hard feelings from me and i will welcome young back with open arms. He was fantastic for us before
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Post by: PhilVill on June 17, 2021, 04:25:00 PM
Yep, big welcome back from me, that Everton moment is easily in my top ten Villa moments, even with the traditional restricted bloody view 😅
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2021, 04:36:22 PM
It might be nice to sign someone who isnít a reigning league champion, just for a change.
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Post by: Lsvilla on June 17, 2021, 04:58:26 PM
Done according to AVTransfers on Twitter.
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Post by: caster troy on June 17, 2021, 05:04:19 PM
Should be an interesting interview. And a rare chance to compare two shirt stretch pictures for the same player, same club 15 years apart.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2021, 05:09:05 PM
We detested terry before he moved here and we all really respect him for what he has done here.

No. No, we don't.

Happy with Young though.
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Post by: Ads on June 17, 2021, 05:21:16 PM
Our oldest player by 7 years. The next one being 28. I think that demonstrates the absolute lack of an older head, when we have 1 bugger over 30.
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Post by: London Villan on June 17, 2021, 05:22:21 PM
Itís a sensible signing as it works for our squad, right now. Young coming on with 10mins to go in a game would be fine.
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Post by: Dazvillain on June 17, 2021, 05:45:03 PM
I don't think there should be any fuss surrounding this one.

I would prefer Young to Elmo, Guilbert, Taylor, etc. in the case that Cash/Targett were unavailable. He knows his way around the grounds and would be a unique influence on our youth and newcomers.

Sign em up!

Would have preferred as well As not instead Iíd Elmo
. He is 4 years older which is why I donít understand Elmo being released . Not to say Iím a little pleased with the business tho
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 05:49:35 PM
Love Elmo and appreciate heís a different type of player, but heís never been at Youngís level.
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Post by: richtheholtender on June 17, 2021, 05:57:27 PM
Donít forget we have 5 league and fa cup games for when we get to the final of those. Weíre going to need a squad
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Post by: darren woolley on June 17, 2021, 06:01:08 PM
I'm happy he's coming back.
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Post by: colin69 on June 17, 2021, 06:11:28 PM
I really cannot see the point in it to be honest. 35 and surely not going to play much. Backwards step.
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Post by: Rudy65 on June 17, 2021, 06:12:32 PM
Young and Morley are the best wingers Iíve seen at VP in 50 years of supporting the club. Welcome back Ash
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Post by: andyh on June 17, 2021, 06:13:58 PM
Elmo and Trez replaced by Young ? Thatíll do!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: nordenvillain on June 17, 2021, 06:14:39 PM
[quote a
We detested terry before he moved here and we all really respect him for what he has done here.

No. No, we don't.

Happy with Young though.

No. No, we don't.

Happy with Young though.
[/quote]
SE, very interested in your reply - What is your view then on John Terry whilst he has been at Villa ? I can see his influence on our defence and for that I value his input.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 17, 2021, 06:35:42 PM
Young and Morley are the best wingers Iíve seen at VP in 50 years of supporting the club. Welcome back Ash
Daley and Walters better than Young IMO
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 17, 2021, 06:46:47 PM
Never saw Walters play for us but Young was far more consistent than Daley. He's one of the best players we've had since I started watching in 1988.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2021, 06:49:09 PM
Young and Morley are the best wingers Iíve seen at VP in 50 years of supporting the club. Welcome back Ash
Daley and Walters better than Young IMO
I agree. Both were much better ball manipulators.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 17, 2021, 06:51:45 PM
If young is signed on a one year contract then it shouldn't really go wrong, and could work out really well; unless, that is, it leads directly or indirectly to the departure of Guilbert, which I think would be very bad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 17, 2021, 06:52:28 PM
I don't think Smith rates Guilbert, unfortunately. Young covers left back much more often than right back, though.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: LukeJames on June 17, 2021, 07:03:53 PM
Confirmed
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Post by: Villan For Life on June 17, 2021, 07:04:33 PM
Welcome home Ashley
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Post by: Ad@m on June 17, 2021, 07:05:17 PM
On the o/s
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Lescottstweets on June 17, 2021, 07:06:46 PM
To say Iím angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested
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Post by: Matt C on June 17, 2021, 07:08:50 PM
Smart signing. I read it as having swapped Taylor for Young and added some experience and winning mentality.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 17, 2021, 07:09:31 PM
Twitter says itís happened!
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 17, 2021, 07:09:59 PM
Quality signing. We already have one of the best teams, but not one of the best squads. This helps rectify this and will be an inspiration to our younger players. Literally no downside.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 07:10:14 PM
Welcome home Ash.
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Post by: Chris Stares on June 17, 2021, 07:13:54 PM
I'm not unhappy with this signing. A model pro, hence his longevity (just helped Inter to win the Serie A title at a canter having made a significant number of appearances during the season as a starter and from the bench - 23 in total I believe), and will bring much-needed experience and influence to a squad that has just lost the older heads of Elmo, Neil Taylor and Tom Heaton.  I can't really think of any downsides in all honesty - he's not going to be a starter but is a decent backup to have available.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 17, 2021, 07:15:03 PM
Only a one year contract too, so none of that brainless shovelling millions upon millions into the pockets of has-beens for sitting on the bench for years.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 07:16:12 PM
Amend the thread title, he's home alright.

Edit: that was fast.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2021, 07:16:16 PM
Welcome home Ash

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1405586203529912320?s=21
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Post by: saunders_heroes on June 17, 2021, 07:18:05 PM
Smart signing.
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Post by: devilla on June 17, 2021, 07:23:07 PM
AndÖ he can take free kicks too from what I remember.

Responsible for one of the most incredible moments Iíve ever had as a Villa fan - that last minute winner v Everton when theyíd scored a last minute equaliser.

That was an incredible goal. I remember phoning 606 after the match to rave about it whilst quite drunk.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: LukeJames on June 17, 2021, 07:26:02 PM
He's the same age as me but how the fuck does he still look so young?
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Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2021, 07:26:06 PM
To say Iím angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Angry and disappointed? Seriously? What's he done for that feeling?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 17, 2021, 07:26:21 PM
Welcome home Ash

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1405586203529912320?s=21

Hope his return is better than that announcement. It was like watching TOTP circa 1990 on BBC 4.
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Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2021, 07:26:43 PM
I'm pleased.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 07:27:27 PM
To say Iím angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Angry and disappointed? Seriously? What's he done for that feeling?

Won the Scudetto by winning the trust of famously lax and sentimental manager Antonio Conte.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on June 17, 2021, 07:27:48 PM
To say Iím angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Stop all the clocks!
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Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 07:28:20 PM
Happy with this, experienced squad player who knows the club and adds a winning mentality in the dressing room.

As an aside i think this summer is going to be really exciting, I can see a lot of opposition fans being shocked by our business.
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Post by: MalcolmP on June 17, 2021, 07:28:32 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 07:31:54 PM
To say Iím angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Weird.
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Post by: OCD on June 17, 2021, 07:33:24 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡

Kesler will be better off going and getting regular first team football and then he can be a genuine option. They clearly don't rate Guilbert.

I agree about Konsa as an option at right back though. I would sell Engels and get that Fulham centre back who's highly rated and then Konsa can fill in at right back without us losing anything in the centre.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 17, 2021, 07:35:26 PM
Welcome back! https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1405588200920432641
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
Blimey itís weird to decide you canít stand a player for one incident with Manure, rather than remember all the brilliance for us.
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Post by: andyh on June 17, 2021, 07:40:31 PM
Ollie will have a permanent hard on thinking heís going to get 40 goals next season with the quality of his supply line..
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Post by: Dave on June 17, 2021, 07:41:34 PM
Welcome back! https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1405588200920432641

Gotta love his Twitter background. He reset that nice and quickly.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/1692240811/1623953160/1500x500)
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 17, 2021, 07:42:58 PM
Blimey itís weird to decide you canít stand a player for one incident with Manure, rather than remember all the brilliance for us.

There were always a weird section of our support that never gave him much credit when he was here. Easily one of our best players of the last thirty years.

Everton away, Small Heath 5-1, long awaited Old Trafford win. Some great memories.
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Post by: Villan For Life on June 17, 2021, 07:45:51 PM
He's the same age as me but how the fuck does he still look so young?

Must be something to do with his surname......
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Post by: manic-road on June 17, 2021, 07:48:22 PM
Could well be an astute signing, an experienced pro and still has quality. Welcome back Ash
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Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 07:48:43 PM
Imagine if this was the season he won that long overdue cup with us. The absolute scenes.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 17, 2021, 07:49:21 PM
Welcome back! https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1405588200920432641

Gotta love his Twitter background. He reset that nice and quickly.

Always thinking on his feet if not staying on them.
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Post by: aldridgeboy on June 17, 2021, 07:57:57 PM
Very good signing. Cover for both full backs, and can still play attacking.  Great experience. 12 month deal. Absolute no brainer.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 17, 2021, 07:59:58 PM
Chuffed with this. Still a marvellous player and need a bit of experience with Elmo and Taylor gone.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 17, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
Blimey itís weird to decide you canít stand a player for one incident with Manure, rather than remember all the brilliance for us.

I was about to post this very thing!
I don't get it.
He gave us years of great service and then he goes and plays for someone who won trophies.
I don't see the problem.
Welcome back Ash.
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Post by: CT on June 17, 2021, 08:00:53 PM
Clearly this isnít our normal type of signing anymore. So for us to do this, the powers that be must feel he'll be worth it for what he will bring to the team and squad as a whole.

Spoke well in his interview, but 36 next month, blimey!

A bit like JT, some of that winning mentality.

This isnít the Villa of old. If it was, weíd have given him a four year deal.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 17, 2021, 08:02:35 PM


Never gets old. 🙂
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: LeonW on June 17, 2021, 08:04:35 PM
This seems very much out of kilter with the recruitment policy and approach the club were taking. Not saying that there shouldnít be room for changing things up, but this one I donít think should break that trend. At this stage in his career, Young will be exactly the sort of player opposition will target, particularly with what Smith gets his wide players to do. Plus, hasnít he been playing at wing back for Inter, not full back?? If itís his experience thatís of value, then give him a coaching role. Iíd much rather start getting the young players involved/developed.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 17, 2021, 08:04:52 PM
Iím quite excited about this, I may be living in the past but he is still a decent player and his experience will be of great value.

You donít win a Serie A title at 35 without being a good professional and looking after yourself, so just for that he is a good buy.

Need to Get Carew out of retirement now to get on the end of his crosses!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2021, 08:05:40 PM


Never gets old. 🙂


have that lescott you tool
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: passport1 on June 17, 2021, 08:12:18 PM
I thought we had left this sort of thing behind. Oh well.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Taylor on June 17, 2021, 08:12:38 PM
My only reservation is the old adage about ďnever going backĒ, and Iím old enough to remember Steve Stauntonís second spell with us. However I doubt heís going to be first choice, and it seems heís still got a couple of seasons in him. Welcome back AY.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: dave shelley on June 17, 2021, 08:14:03 PM
Welcome back, you were missed.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Damo70 on June 17, 2021, 08:14:15 PM
I am underwhelmed purely on the basis of his age. It also doesn't seem to fit in with our transfer strategy.
Although if we have ignored our transfer strategy to sign Young it would suggest Dean Smith was particularly keen to get him. So for that that reason I hope my concerns about his age are not proven correct.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: devilla on June 17, 2021, 08:15:37 PM
Very pleased with this, welcome home Ashley.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Dave on June 17, 2021, 08:21:11 PM
I am underwhelmed purely on the basis of his age.

How many teams ever have had a 28 year old as their oldest player, as we did until Young signed?

They can't all be 24 years old.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: nodge on June 17, 2021, 08:22:06 PM
Welcome back! https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1405588200920432641

He looks the same age as when we first signed him!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 17, 2021, 08:23:54 PM
Welcome home ashley

Watching his interview he looks absolutely chuffed. I loved the part of the interview when he said on hearing of villas interest he said " i told my agent just get it done"

He is thrilled  to be back and i am thrilled he is back
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2021, 08:26:31 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡

I do. I dont forget his crosses at the Sty for Gabby or his countless goals.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 17, 2021, 08:41:20 PM
I am underwhelmed purely on the basis of his age.

How many teams ever have had a 28 year old as their oldest player, as we did until Young signed?

They can't all be 24 years old.

Exactly. There are a few stages to go through yet before we're at the stage that Man City are where they have two world stars for every position. I'm happy that we're improving the squad all the time. Up until now, if anything had happened to Targett we'd have had to bring in Neil Taylor. Now we have someone who has just won a Serie A title as back up. That's a huge improvement, and gives us a year to see which of the kids might be ready for the step up. I like a good moan, but I really can't see anything other than positives in this at all.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: citizenDJ on June 17, 2021, 08:52:40 PM
Well, thatís that, then. Targett must be off to Man City.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 17, 2021, 08:54:34 PM
Well, thatís that, then. Targett must be off to Man City.

Blimey, hello stranger!  Weirdly the kids were only talking about you last night!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: citizenDJ on June 17, 2021, 08:55:50 PM
Well, thatís that, then. Targett must be off to Man City.

Blimey, hello stranger!  Weirdly the kids were only talking about you last night!

Hello mate! Hope you are all keeping well - Iím flattered to be remembered!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: BC Villain on June 17, 2021, 09:00:26 PM
Very impressed with his interview and doesn't seem to have the "one last payday" attitude.  Feel happier about this than I did a couple of days ago.

Ten years ago today, we appointed TSM.  A week later? Young left for Manure.  Final closure on a dismal chapter in our history.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: john e on June 17, 2021, 09:00:57 PM
Iím okay with it

I was never a massive fan of Elmo, I respected his service but always felt he weakened side when he came on
I know people loved him on here but I was never one of them

I actually think Ashley Young at 35/36 is probably still a better footballer than Elmo was in his prime
And certainly offers more in the final third

He covers so many options I think itís a sensible signing
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: London Villan on June 17, 2021, 09:02:54 PM
1-0 up in the last 10 mins of the Cup Final, iíd prefer to bring Young on rather than a kid or Neil TaylorÖ
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2021, 09:14:22 PM
This, that and the other.

We have a very experienced and very professional winner in the dressing room to help the youngest squad in the league. It's smart squad management.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: BC Villain on June 17, 2021, 09:20:10 PM
Iím okay with it

I was never a massive fan of Elmo, I respected his service but always felt he weakened side when he came on
I know people loved him on here but I was never one of them

I actually think Ashley Young at 35/36 is probably still a better footballer than Elmo was in his prime
And certainly offers more in the final third

He covers so many options I think itís a sensible signing

Clearly still fit enough to compete as well.  You don't play regularly for Conte without being fit enough.

Scary to think he's a year younger than Agbonlahor, yet has looked after his body, as opposed to abusing it
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Villa Lew on June 17, 2021, 09:31:26 PM
It's not a signing I thought we should have gone for, thought he was passed his best, when he last played for United 2 years ago, but hopefully he will prove me wrong. Welcome back Ashley.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 09:34:59 PM
Well thatís demonstrably proved not to be the case from his time at Inter.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 09:39:10 PM
Iím okay with it

I was never a massive fan of Elmo, I respected his service but always felt he weakened side when he came on
I know people loved him on here but I was never one of them

I actually think Ashley Young at 35/36 is probably still a better footballer than Elmo was in his prime
And certainly offers more in the final third

He covers so many options I think itís a sensible signing

Yep, I don't think he'll play every game but I'll be a lot less concerned when Cash or Targett pick up a knock/suspension now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2021, 09:46:01 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡
Just think of all that knowledge of how to win penalties he brings to the dressing room. Could be worth 6 points a season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ducksworthy on June 17, 2021, 09:47:05 PM
It's not a signing I thought we should have gone for, thought he was passed his best, when he last played for United 2 years ago, but hopefully he will prove me wrong. Welcome back Ashley.

Weíre not signing him ďat his bestĒ, thatís obviously years ago. This isnít the proverbial final piece of the jigsaw type signing - weíre signing him to be an experienced, versatile cover option who gives it his all and has always had a good attitude. Makes total sense to me.

As I was in my mid-teens when he was playing for us, I felt then about him as I imagine the kids (and most of us!) feel about Jack now. My favourite player was JPA but the most exciting before Jack was Ashley.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rory on June 17, 2021, 09:52:58 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡

I do. I dont forget his crosses at the Sty for Gabby or his countless goals.

Agreed, some very strange bitterness on here. I like Ash, and don't hold it against him that he did against us what he spent four-and-a-half years doing for us.

Although he's not a supporter, I do think he has affection for the club. Even if he didn't, to still be playing and winning titles at nearly 36 is enough to convince me of his professionalism, and that he is more than good enough to have as back-up and around the squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 17, 2021, 09:53:47 PM
I'm OK with it. Decent options now to pick from Grealish, Young, Buendia, El Goalzi and Traore.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 09:57:42 PM
I'm OK with it. Decent options now to pick from Grealish, Young, Buendia, El Goalzi and Traore.

I'd be very surprised if he plays on the wing other than as a emergency when we're chasing a goal, he's been playing fullback for a while now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 17, 2021, 10:04:46 PM
I'm OK with it. Decent options now to pick from Grealish, Young, Buendia, El Goalzi and Traore.

I'd be very surprised if he plays on the wing other than as a emergency when we're chasing a goal, he's been playing fullback for a while now.

I know but I saw one.of those dream formation/line up graphics on face.book and he was tucked in on the.left with.Watkins up front, Jack behind and Buendia on the right. Young in his prime... that would have been mouth watering.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2021, 10:09:43 PM
Bring back Marlon Harewood next, we haven't had anyone that could celebrate winning a corner like he could since he left.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 10:13:14 PM
I always found it curious how Milner appeared to be seen much favourably than Young, when I think the latter was more loyal to Villa. Thatís not a criticism of Milner by the way, loved his time at the club, but I always felt that Youngís time wasnít universally appreciated.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 17, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
I'm OK with it. Decent options now to pick from Grealish, Young, Buendia, El Goalzi and Traore.

I'd be very surprised if he plays on the wing other than as a emergency when we're chasing a goal, he's been playing fullback for a while now.

He'll be a better Elmo though. Predominantly a full back, but if you need to throw him on further forward, you'll know he'll keep things tight and still chuck the odd good cross in.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2021, 10:21:09 PM
I would like to see Nigel Reo-Coker return as well.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 17, 2021, 10:26:35 PM
I loved Ashley Young. He was like a more consistent Tony Daley with a lot more end product.  Not a knock against Daley,  one of  my early heroes, I just think Young in terms of crosses,  goals and assists was more consistent.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 10:30:34 PM
I always found it curious how Milner appeared to be seen much favourably than Young, when I think the latter was more loyal to Villa. Thatís not a criticism of Milner by the way, loved his time at the club, but I always felt that Youngís time wasnít universally appreciated.

One is a flair player (that works hard) the other other is a workhorse (with a bit of extra quality), Villa fans have always liked a workhorse.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2021, 10:31:03 PM
while he wasnít slow i never thought he was a really pacey winger, he was more about his technique  so i can see how he has adapted his game . it will be interesting to see how he gets on
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 17, 2021, 10:33:43 PM
He used to drive me nuts floating all those free kicks aimlessly over the bar.

However, whilst other players like Milner or Petrov may have contributed more, Young and Carew were the only two 'stand up when they get the ball' players we bought in the Lerner area.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: robleflaneur on June 17, 2021, 10:39:03 PM
'Arry had to sub his right back facing Ashley after about 30 mins.My daughter pointed out that Ashley always managed to get suspended for the games around Xmas.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 17, 2021, 10:47:10 PM
Interesting replacement for Jack....joke...that is a joke!!

Great free transfer, loads of top level experience and loads of credit in the bank for his first period at the club, for me anyhow.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ROBBO on June 17, 2021, 10:50:25 PM
In his first couple of years his balls into the box were unbelievable and anywhere just outside the box he was brilliant, then it all disappeared and he started floating balls, really puzzling. He is obviously a model pro and although i was not for it a twelve month contract is okay. Just wonder whether he will stay after his playing days to help bring the youg kids through.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: BC Villain on June 17, 2021, 11:07:36 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡

I do. I dont forget his crosses at the Sty for Gabby or his countless goals.

Agreed, some very strange bitterness on here. I like Ash, and don't hold it against him that he did against us what he spent four-and-a-half years doing for us.

Although he's not a supporter, I do think he has affection for the club. Even if he didn't, to still be playing and winning titles at nearly 36 is enough to convince me of his professionalism, and that he is more than good enough to have as back-up and around the squad.

Have to admit I'm not 100% sold on it, but I've warmed to the idea in the last couple of days.  Look at the comments on the clubs Facebook page and you'd have thought Fabian Delph had just walked back through the door.  I certainly don't get where this theory that he's a total arsehole who'll disrupt the dressing room has come from.

As for the dive against us?  It was ten years ago.  We never complained when he initiated contact to win us penalties last time he was here
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Allan C on June 17, 2021, 11:23:22 PM
Young and Morley are the best wingers Iíve seen at VP in 50 years of supporting the club. Welcome back Ash
Daley and Walters better than Young IMO
I agree. Both were much better ball manipulators.
Ray Graydon wasnít bad either
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 18, 2021, 03:22:10 AM
Another signing from below the press radar, and about as far removed from our typical current imports as you can get! Welcome back, Ashley. I was thinking earlier that we need more Italians, he's close enough. If he in any way lifts our club up another notch or two, either on the field or of it, then he's worth every penny and ounce of effort that it's taken to get him here.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Axl Rose on June 18, 2021, 05:19:41 AM
I always found it curious how Milner appeared to be seen much favourably than Young, when I think the latter was more loyal to Villa. Thatís not a criticism of Milner by the way, loved his time at the club, but I always felt that Youngís time wasnít universally appreciated.

I'm in the same boat as you, Paul. Miner was decent, but he never really excited me, and although a shame when he left, Young leaving was sadder. Maybe because at that time he was probably the best player we had.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: The Edge on June 18, 2021, 07:52:23 AM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡

I do. I dont forget his crosses at the Sty for Gabby or his countless goals.
I can't lie. While I understand the logic in bringing him back as cover for a season that dive and his celebration for winning a penalty at OT still sticks in my craw. However if he did the same thing for us in front of the Holte to win a penalty against Utd all would be instantly forgiven.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: stubbsyandy on June 18, 2021, 08:17:32 AM
Letís not just judge him on his time here, his time at United was pretty damn good and heís just won the league in Italy...whatís not to like?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Lescottstweets on June 18, 2021, 08:17:46 AM
To say Iím angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Weird.

Wow, sorry for having an opinion ffs
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Monty on June 18, 2021, 08:25:28 AM
To say Iím angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Weird.

Wow, sorry for having an opinion ffs

Haha, and you're entitled to it, and everyone else is entitled to the opinion that it's weird.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: WarszaVillan on June 18, 2021, 08:33:43 AM
After watching the interview with him I'm now excited and convinced it's an excellent signing.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: algy on June 18, 2021, 08:47:09 AM
I think he fits in a lot better with our transfer policy than it appears at face value.

- No transfer fee, so we won't lose money on him. 1 year contract makes it low risk.
- Provides cover in several positions, and competition for first choice left back
- His experience will help the development of our younger players
- He strengthens our squad *and* stops Burnley - a potential rival - from signing him

Obviously you don't want a whole squad full of 35 year olds, but as an individual signing I think it's a masterstroke
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 18, 2021, 09:18:25 AM
I think he fits in a lot better with our transfer policy than it appears at face value.

- No transfer fee, so we won't lose money on him. 1 year contract makes it low risk.
- Provides cover in several positions, and competition for first choice left back
- His experience will help the development of our younger players
- He strengthens our squad *and* stops Burnley - a potential rival - from signing him

Obviously you don't want a whole squad full of 35 year olds, but as an individual signing I think it's a masterstroke
Good signing. Low risk. Might work. Might not.
But a masterstroke!!!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: mr underhill on June 18, 2021, 09:48:25 AM
I wonder what we're paying him?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 18, 2021, 09:49:04 AM
Struggling to understand the downsides here.

I watched two excellent young fullbacks in the youth cup final, but neither will be ready for a year or so.  Young will help bridge that gap.  He will be better than Taylor and probably better than Elmo.  So whether he's ultimately just a backup fullback, an attacking option to to chuck on if we're struggling or if he actually challenges for a starting place, he will be useful to the squad at very low cost and risk.

Having watched his interview he seems up for it and if he pushes either Targett or Cash hard for their place, then all the better.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 18, 2021, 09:50:47 AM
He's miles better than Elmo. Elmo never let us down but he isn't a top half of the PL level player. Ashley Young has just picked up a Serie A winner's medal.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 18, 2021, 09:54:57 AM
I know he's a better player than Elmo, but we'll have to see if he can still do it at PL level.  I know Elmo had a couple of torrid outings at the end, but mostly he was very capable for us.  I expect him to be better - I said probably - but will reserve final judgment until I've seen him deliver.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rory on June 18, 2021, 09:59:37 AM
He's miles better than Elmo. Elmo never let us down but he isn't a top half of the PL level player. Ashley Young has just picked up a Serie A winner's medal.

I was about to say, when did two players whose level is the Championship become so good that a player from Inter Milan is considered a downgrade?

It's natural to have reservations about any player, but I don't think it's realistic to assume Young will be worse than two players we have outgrown anyway. No disrespect to either of them.

Edit: that's not directed at you specifically, Chris.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 18, 2021, 10:09:36 AM
Nice to piss Burnley off too. They certainly pissed me off over the last 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2021, 10:10:22 AM
To say Iím angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Weird.

Wow, sorry for having an opinion ffs

Haha, and you're entitled to it, and everyone else is entitled to the opinion that it's weird.

Being disappointed with a signing is fair enough. Being angry is a bit odd though. It's a surprising signing more than anything but I hope it turns out to be a clever one. I
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: not3bad on June 18, 2021, 10:17:53 AM
I wonder what we're paying him?

More than Burnley offered.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: WarszaVillan on June 18, 2021, 10:32:28 AM
He's miles better than Elmo. Elmo never let us down but he isn't a top half of the PL level player. Ashley Young has just picked up a Serie A winner's medal.

And he was no bit part in that team, he played 27 games.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 18, 2021, 10:34:23 AM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...Ö..interesting.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 18, 2021, 10:41:06 AM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...Ö..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 18, 2021, 10:46:34 AM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...Ö..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.

Depends on the legs I guess, but I think the Ashley Young of 2010-11 has long gone
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: KevinGage on June 18, 2021, 11:02:44 AM
I always found it curious how Milner appeared to be seen much favourably than Young, when I think the latter was more loyal to Villa. Thatís not a criticism of Milner by the way, loved his time at the club, but I always felt that Youngís time wasnít universally appreciated.

I'm in the same boat as you, Paul. Miner was decent, but he never really excited me, and although a shame when he left, Young leaving was sadder. Maybe because at that time he was probably the best player we had.

Aye. The Milner move - at the time - made sense all around.  Selling Young and Downing in the same summer felt like we were effectively giving up as a club. Which we were.

He's not the first (or even 21st) name I'd have thought as as a viable option this summer.  It's not a deal in any way, shape or form that will make other clubs around us sit up and take notice.

But I don't get the notion he'd be a troublemaker.  He's always been a good pro at the majority of his clubs. And for a player who relied on pace and nimbleness throughout his career, he's obviously kept himself in good shape.

As far as what Villa means to him etc, no one really knows the answer to that except him. But he did have some of the best years of his career here. And was seen attending Villa games a few times after his departure. He'll be closer to John Terry impact on the squad rather than Lescott or Richards. He might surprise a few by how many times he plays this year n'all.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 18, 2021, 11:23:21 AM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...Ö..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.

Depends on the legs I guess, but I think the Ashley Young of 2010-11 has long gone

Yes I expect so. But we've not bought him in to do that.  Hopefully Targett stays fit all season again, but Cash seems to struggle with periodic injuries.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: OCD on June 18, 2021, 11:25:07 AM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...Ö..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.

Depends on the legs I guess, but I think the Ashley Young of 2010-11 has long gone

He was playing left wingback under Conte at Inter so he had to cover the full length of the pitch. Going somewhere who play with a back 4 should help.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 18, 2021, 11:28:18 AM
I'd love it if we get treated to an old photo of him with a 10/11 years old Jack Grealish!#
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rory on June 18, 2021, 11:29:19 AM
I'd love it if we get treated to an old photo of him with a 10/11 years old Jack Grealish!#

I wouldn't. I feel old enough as it is.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: rob_bridge on June 18, 2021, 12:06:11 PM
I always found it curious how Milner appeared to be seen much favourably than Young, when I think the latter was more loyal to Villa. Thatís not a criticism of Milner by the way, loved his time at the club, but I always felt that Youngís time wasnít universally appreciated.

I'm in the same boat as you, Paul. Miner was decent, but he never really excited me, and although a shame when he left, Young leaving was sadder. Maybe because at that time he was probably the best player we had.

Aye. The Milner move - at the time - made sense all around.  Selling Young and Downing in the same summer felt like we were effectively giving up as a club. Which we were.

He's not the first (or even 21st) name I'd have thought as as a viable option this summer.  It's not a deal in any way, shape or form that will make other clubs around us sit up and take notice.

But I don't get the notion he'd be a troublemaker.  He's always been a good pro at the majority of his clubs. And for a player who relied on pace and nimbleness throughout his career, he's obviously kept himself in good shape.

As far as what Villa means to him etc, no one really knows the answer to that except him. But he did have some of the best years of his career here. And was seen attending Villa games a few times after his departure. He'll be closer to John Terry impact on the squad rather than Lescott or Richards. He might surprise a few by how many times he plays this year n'all.

God yes in terms of squad impact - Terry has just won the title with Chelsea, same with Ashley at SerieA. Best days may be gone but the mentality they bring is different.

The other 2 I try not to think about them at Villa but Richards seems to be on every football show everywhere
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 18, 2021, 12:10:29 PM
I fell out of love with him when he decided to become a one man team, took all the free kicks often badly and played himself in atttacking midfield where he was pretty ineffective. Well thatís how it looked at the time.
He then pissed off to manure and threw himself to the ground at the first opportunity to get a penalty against us
Of course I want him to do well for us but I am not getting the flags out.

I am not convinced he is what we need right now either.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 18, 2021, 12:32:38 PM
Depends what you mean by 'what we need.'  I mean as extra fullbacks I'd rather be signing Reece James and Tierney.  But if you work on the basis that Cash & Targett are very good options and ideally we'll spend our money elsewhere, then really all we need is good cover to replace Elmo and Taylor.  I think Young not only does that, but is hungry enough to keep them right on their toes to keep their places.  On top of that he brings experience and a winning mentality to the squad.

It's not a mindblowing signing, but seems a pretty sensible one to me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 18, 2021, 12:35:07 PM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...Ö..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.

Depends on the legs I guess, but I think the Ashley Young of 2010-11 has long gone

He was playing left wingback under Conte at Inter so he had to cover the full length of the pitch. Going somewhere who play with a back 4 should help.

Yeah I was talking mainly in relation to the Trezeguet replacement theory. As others have said he's better than Elmo as cover and obviously the option to bring on someone with his experience with 70 minutes to go in a game to shut up shop/look for an equalizer is going to be a big plus.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 18, 2021, 12:46:18 PM
Welcome home Ash. Ignore the noise...
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2021, 01:03:24 PM
Interesting part of Ashleyís interview for me was when we said age only seems to be an issue in England and that he felt fitter than he was when he was here before. In large part because Conte made them work their balls off as a requirement of the WB role. Age is in the mind and heís clearly kept himself in superb shape.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: caster troy on June 18, 2021, 01:12:26 PM
I think he'll also do a job next season when we are leading at Anfield, Emirates, OT and need a more defensively solid option in front of the full back than Traore/Buendia/El Ghazi.

Imagine the scenes if he comes off the bench and scores the winner in the final game to send us to the Champions League...
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 18, 2021, 01:45:58 PM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...Ö..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.

Depends on the legs I guess, but I think the Ashley Young of 2010-11 has long gone

He was playing left wingback under Conte at Inter so he had to cover the full length of the pitch. Going somewhere who play with a back 4 should help.

Yeah I was talking mainly in relation to the Trezeguet replacement theory. As others have said he's better than Elmo as cover and obviously the option to bring on someone with his experience with 70 minutes to go in a game to shut up shop/look for an equalizer is going to be a big plus.

Buendia has surely replaced Trez.

I think we'll see him a bit in the cups and will also be option to bring on for last 10-15 minutes in games we're winning given his experience (and he'll win loads of free kicks to run the clock down as Petrov used to be ace at).

Behind the scenes is where his recent experience will be vital. Wonder if he's planning to go into coaching when he calls it a day so we could possibly give him first step here if he's doing his badges currently.

One thing I will always say about Young is he's completely maximised his talent in the game compared to many others who came through at the same time, compare him to Wright-Phillips and Walcott for instance who basically both declined from 25 onwards, Young didn't.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2021, 02:41:16 PM
One thing I will always say about Young is he's completely maximised his talent in the game compared to many others who came through at the same time, compare him to Wright-Phillips and Walcott for instance who basically both declined from 25 onwards, Young didn't.

The amount of attacking players who've come through in the premier league and gone into semi-retirement in their mid-20s in the last 20-30 years is shocking. It's happened in other positions as well but wingers in particular have been terrible for getting a handful of caps and then giving up.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: cdward on June 18, 2021, 03:08:02 PM
I thought the original signing of Ashley Young by MON was a real statement at the time. He was an up and coming talent that a few clubs had shown an interest in, and we got him.
It worked, he played well for us, progressed us as a club, and he progressed as a player.

It reminds me of the Buendia signing, except this time i hope in 5 years time we are not selling off our best players.
I think it is a sensible bit of business, he left on good terms and he came back, so he obviously still likes us.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: rob_bridge on June 18, 2021, 03:09:57 PM
One thing I will always say about Young is he's completely maximised his talent in the game compared to many others who came through at the same time, compare him to Wright-Phillips and Walcott for instance who basically both declined from 25 onwards, Young didn't.

The amount of attacking players who've come through in the premier league and gone into semi-retirement in their mid-20s in the last 20-30 years is shocking. It's happened in other positions as well but wingers in particular have been terrible for getting a handful of caps and then giving up.

Bentley and Jarvis spring to mind. Loftus Cheek heading there
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2021, 03:22:30 PM
One thing I will always say about Young is he's completely maximised his talent in the game compared to many others who came through at the same time, compare him to Wright-Phillips and Walcott for instance who basically both declined from 25 onwards, Young didn't.

The amount of attacking players who've come through in the premier league and gone into semi-retirement in their mid-20s in the last 20-30 years is shocking. It's happened in other positions as well but wingers in particular have been terrible for getting a handful of caps and then giving up.

Bentley and Jarvis spring to mind. Loftus Cheek heading there

McCormack, Gabby and Ireland for us, Oxlade-Chamberlain doesn't seem all that bothered about how little he plays. There's loads of them all through the English leagues, I can only assume because they're multi-millionaires in their early 20s and get more interested in being rich than in being a footballer.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Lsvilla on June 18, 2021, 03:23:44 PM
I think there may be something in the coaching side of it as well. John Terry is entering the last year of his contract and will surely want a go at a head coachís job somewhere at some stage soon.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 18, 2021, 04:51:03 PM
Jarvis got a bad injury to be fair and was never able to recapture his form.

Bentley supposedly didn't really like football.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 19, 2021, 08:44:19 AM
I rate those 2 crosses for Gabby at the Sty or at Old Trafford or the 2 goals he scored against Small Heath when we battered them 5, slightly higher than a dive that one time in a game we got shovelled in anyway.

The goal at Everton remains one of my favourite Villa moments ever and I wasn't even there. Had been out for lunch with the missus and dived into The Village in Moseley for the last half an hour, the bar was full of gleeful noses texting their mates when Lescott scored, so they weren't watching when it went it, and me and the one other Villa fan in there sitting about 10ft away from us went mental.

The looks on their faces was priceless.

I was lucky enough to be at that game with my son - when Young scored he ran over to the Villa fans and started celebrating right in front of us - it was a magical moment.

On the Monday my wife was given a keepsake from one of her bosses at work - it was the shirt Ashley wore in the game - signed on the back within the white shirt number.

I later wrote to Ashley and asked him to sign the ticket stub from the game and a photograph of him celebrating (which was featured in one of our subsequent home match programmes). They were returned promptly and both signed.

It was a true dad and lad moment that will never be forgotten by me and VCTM jnr

Ironically the signed shirt is displayed in jnrs` room alongside signed photos of David O`Leary and Gareth Barry :)
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Scratchins on June 19, 2021, 09:01:12 AM
The Everton goal is a favourite family memory. I was there with my niece and nephew, he was 9 and small enough to be standing on the seat. When Lescott scored and came to us giving it large his stricken little face looked down at me and said ďwe arenít going to win now are we?Ē and I agreed. Moments later we were leaping around and his sisterís phone shot underneath the seats Ė recovered safely thank goodness. We were messaging each other about this when he signed on Thursday.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 19, 2021, 09:59:01 AM
I only remember me and the missus leaping around the living room screaming - but it still goes to show what a great joyous moment it was.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 19, 2021, 10:33:52 AM
I was at the Inn on the Green in Acocks Green.

A Nose in there was delighted when Everton equalised.

I may have knocked a table over in the melee after Young scored the winner.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2021, 10:34:56 AM
I think the Everton goal was one of my favourite ever Villa goals. Absolute scenes and limbs, scenes and limbs.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 19, 2021, 11:15:18 AM
I was listening to it on the radio in a house I shared with two other reprobates in Norwich. It looked like a crack den. I made so much noise that my housemate came to my room holding a cricket bat, thinking that something terrible was going on.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Villan82 on June 19, 2021, 11:18:15 AM
One thing I will always say about Young is he's completely maximised his talent in the game compared to many others who came through at the same time, compare him to Wright-Phillips and Walcott for instance who basically both declined from 25 onwards, Young didn't.

The amount of attacking players who've come through in the premier league and gone into semi-retirement in their mid-20s in the last 20-30 years is shocking. It's happened in other positions as well but wingers in particular have been terrible for getting a handful of caps and then giving up.

Bentley and Jarvis spring to mind. Loftus Cheek heading there

Aaron Lennon seemed like Young's rival back in 2007-2010?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2021, 12:04:59 PM
He was, hence he was in the song (I think this is right...)

"He plays down the left and down the right.
Is it Shawn Wright-Phillips? No, he's shite.
Is it Aaron Lennon? Is someone gonna tell 'em?
It's Ashley Young he's fucking dynamite.

Singing aye aye Ashley Ashley Young..."
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 19, 2021, 01:29:03 PM
I was at Everton for the "Ashley goal" but i sat down in a huff after Lescott equalised, and was still sitting down moaning, when everyone started going barmy. I didnt see the goal until the Monday.

I also missed Sidwells goal as I was late getting into Goodison Park!!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2021, 01:32:48 PM
I was in the upper tier and took a chunk out of my shin on the wooden seat in front. Absolute bedlam. Can't wait for the to be back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: brontebilly on June 19, 2021, 04:49:20 PM
Makes total sense, senior head and experience in the dressing room that weve lost. Can cover both fullback roles. Done deal

When did he last play in a back four at full back? Inter play with a back 3, so did England in 2018. With United, I can't recall to be honest what formation they played in the LvG/Mourinho days.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 19, 2021, 05:14:13 PM
My Daughter and I were guests of an Evertonian friend and were seated in the VIP area along with many other Evertonians (and a couple of Villans) so were unable to truly show our elation when AY scored but behind those calm exteriorsit was sheer bedlam
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: danno on June 19, 2021, 05:36:04 PM
Makes total sense, senior head and experience in the dressing room that weve lost. Can cover both fullback roles. Done deal

When did he last play in a back four at full back? Inter play with a back 3, so did England in 2018. With United, I can't recall to be honest what formation they played in the LvG/Mourinho days.

Under Solksjaer he was captain and first choice at left back right up until he joined Inter Milan.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 19, 2021, 06:02:44 PM
That goal at Everton is my single favourite moment at any match. Incredible.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: supertom on June 19, 2021, 06:07:44 PM
Glad to have him back. Between 2007-9 he was exceptional. The season 2007/8 season in particular where he was in the team of the year IIRC, and really surprised people. He had a ridiculous amount of assists (we scored a shite load of goals that season too, 3rd highest scorers?). He was still consistent throughout the rest of O Neill's time and the second half of his final season, but that first full season he was absolutely high on confidence, always driving at fullbacks. The Chelsea game I recall him and Gabby being absolutely superb.
There were a lot of great memories, Everton as many have said.

He'll offer something different now of course, but I think has kept himself in excellent condition. He's not quick but he can cover a number of positions, including full back. He can also delivery a good set piece. I think he's still wily enough if he was played further up field too. No pace anymore but a decent engine still. Think this is more Terry than Pires as far as older signings. We'll get some use out of Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 19, 2021, 08:27:44 PM
I was in Churchill's pub in Little Haiti as was in Miami for the weekend. It was pretty early in the morning so not many in (it's also a kip). When Everton scored the regular expats there were giving me stick so I went for a piss and Young had scored by the time I came back out.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: LukeJames on June 19, 2021, 11:11:59 PM
That goal at Everton, I turned the TV off in anger when Lescott scored. Well over 30 minutes before I knew we'd won.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Mellin on June 19, 2021, 11:41:56 PM
I was in the Fordrough (now closed due to unfortunate circumstances, which have recently become more so). Went outside for a cig in a strop and ran back in once hearing uproar.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 20, 2021, 10:05:29 AM
Was in the Sutton Park in Boldmere, place was bouncing, Sid Cowans was in there too!!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 20, 2021, 12:11:35 PM
As a winger at his best he was exceptional. Great speed and control, and with the ability to beat a man and score goals. Never shirked the defensive side either. For somebody for the other wide players like Traore and El Ghazi to learn from, he's perfect.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: jwarry on June 20, 2021, 12:23:26 PM
As a winger at his best he was exceptional. Great speed and control, and with the ability to beat a man and score goals. Never shirked the defensive side either. For somebody for the other wide players like Traore and El Ghazi to learn from, he's perfect.

Cash and Targett can learn too, and we donít need two full backs on the suns bench, so itís all a no brainer
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Axl Rose on June 20, 2021, 12:23:51 PM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: dave shelley on June 20, 2021, 01:03:24 PM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.

H&V at its best.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: darren woolley on June 20, 2021, 02:27:43 PM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.

Wow that some evening.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: CT on June 20, 2021, 03:31:22 PM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.

H&V at its best.

Pointless telling a story of that goal after reading that. Unless itís got coconuts and scooters in it, itís coming a very poor second to that gem!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Bad English on June 20, 2021, 10:06:12 PM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.
Marvellous. A lesson in community policing.

Quote from: Urban Dictionary
coconut (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=coconut)

a sex movement when the girl is riding the dick and she spells out coconut with her hips.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Hockley Lion on June 20, 2021, 11:46:39 PM
Ahh. That'll be why the Taiwanese girl at my local supermarket slapped my face when I asked her for a coconut then. Makes sense now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2021, 11:55:35 PM
Am I the only one struggling to understand how this sex act would work?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2021, 12:10:30 AM
Am I the only one struggling to understand how this sex act would work?

Yes, I think you need a trip to Brazil.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 21, 2021, 12:17:45 AM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.

That made me laugh out loud!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Axl Rose on June 21, 2021, 05:58:23 AM
Am I the only one struggling to understand how this sex act would work?

Yes, I think you need a trip to Brazil.

Or Japan. Or Taiwan.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: sid1964 on June 21, 2021, 06:30:16 AM
It will be nice for Ashley to be reunited with old friends - i would imagine Mrs Ridgewell will be looking forward to seeing him

Hope it works out for him on his return but for me I would not have brought him back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 21, 2021, 08:19:28 AM
Am I the only one struggling to understand how this sex act would work?

Yes, I think you need a trip to Brazil.

Or Japan. Or Taiwan.

The Portuguese for coconut is just coco. I'd feel a bit short changed if I didn't get the nut bit but suppose it makes sense.

Let me know if anyone requires the Taiwanese translation.
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Post by: brian green on June 21, 2021, 08:42:24 AM
That story of yours Axi is absolutely surreal.  It would make an epic short play by Alan Bennett.  The police brought me home on a scooter and gave me a coconut is a curtain line of sheer genius.
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Post by: Border villan on June 21, 2021, 05:59:38 PM
Four days since our last signing, come on Villa.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2021, 07:24:57 PM
Ahh. That'll be why the Taiwanese girl at my local supermarket slapped my face when I asked her for a coconut then. Makes sense now.

One for Brazilian Villan: I had my face slapped by a Polish girl who got rather upset when I commented I'd heard she makes a fantastic broche. Very underestimated, beetroot soup.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 16, 2021, 05:05:05 PM
This is the sort of signing that pushes us on.
Great to have one of my all time favourite and most exciting players back!
I look forward to him bringing the leadership , experience and know how as well as the gameship to the ref and opposition
Ash is someone who speaks up both on the field and a big voice in the dress room.
Think he can make a big impression with the squad and what it takes to be a winner.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: algy on July 16, 2021, 05:44:15 PM
This is the sort of signing that pushes us on.
Great to have one of my all time favourite and most exciting players back!
I look forward to him bringing the leadership , experience and know how as well as the gameship to the ref and opposition
Ash is someone who speaks up both on the field and a big voice in the dress room.
Think he can make a big impression with the squad and what it takes to be a winner.
Good to have you back, Footy
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Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2021, 06:02:13 PM
Yes! Young and Footy back at last.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 16, 2021, 06:21:32 PM
Welcome back, footys coming home
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 16, 2021, 07:10:46 PM
And tucked away in a slightly below the radar thread too.  Class.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 11:33:21 AM
Ashley Young taking free kicks in training was a good watch.
Looks like he'll be very involved for us if he's on the pitch.
Wonder if he will sometimes occupy the left wide forward role.
Rolling back the years
I mean he gets up and down the pitch anyway in his full back role but can see some cup match at least where he may play a wide role perhaps?
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 01:22:57 PM
I hope he plays a lot of matches for us this season.
Great delivery and with set pieces coach he can have the payed right movement on end of things .
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 05:13:52 PM
Great to see the Ash Young up in the box and scoring today
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 12, 2021, 07:17:46 PM
I'll be championing Young all season. Important role here.
Will be poetic if he is the one to replace Grealish left side Vs Watford.
For all Grealish attributes he was never the goal scoring or shooting threat Young had or has.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2021, 07:21:47 PM
Did Ashley ever get a chance to put a word in Jack's ear? If so, I'm not sure would it have been "Mate, take the chance to go there and win whatever you can. You can always come back here like I'm doing when you're 35" or more "Mate, I came back here cos no other club is as special as the Villa. Stay - I'll help you win things here". One of them sounds more plausible...
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 12, 2021, 07:28:44 PM
Did Ashley ever get a chance to put a word in Jack's ear? If so, I'm not sure would it have been "Mate, take the chance to go there and win whatever you can. You can always come back here like I'm doing when you're 35" or more "Mate, I came back here cos no other club is as special as the Villa. Stay - I'll help you win things here". One of them sounds more plausible...

From my understanding players don't really bother about others moving on as its nature of the job.
Yeah they would like good or best players around them but they are all realistic and ultimately are concerned on own career, playing time, contract to be that bothered about another player.
Plus gives Ashley bigger status with Grealish out the picture.
The returning hero!
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Post by: UK Redsox on August 13, 2021, 10:39:57 AM
Grauniad interview

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/13/aston-villa-ashley-young-i-think-we-can-definitely-reach-europe-grealish-inter
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Post by: Mister E on August 13, 2021, 10:46:28 AM
I'll be championing Young all season. Important role here.
Will be poetic if he is the one to replace Grealish left side Vs Watford.
For all Grealish attributes he was never the goal scoring or shooting threat Young had or has.
Yaaawn.

Young is -without doubt - a bit of a masterstroke-signing. I just hope his corner-taking and set-pieces have improved because he had a terrible tendency to overhit them frequently.
I could quite easily see him playing #10 or on the left as well as being cover for Targett and Cash.
There is no reason for any comparison with any of our former players because all are unique in different ways.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: brontebilly on August 13, 2021, 10:47:13 AM
A great pro. Could have let his career slide after a series of injuries at Man United. He already had the money and medals. But instead transformed his conditioning and ended up playing wing back for United, England and Inter. Good one for our younger players to be looking up to and still a very useful squad player.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 13, 2021, 10:55:33 AM
Retire and into the u23's as a coach?  Also good to see him back, we'll always have Everton away with Laursen.  Sitting in the Gwladys that night...happy happy day!
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Post by: UK Redsox on August 13, 2021, 11:25:24 AM
Any excuse

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Post by: Nelly on August 13, 2021, 11:46:20 AM
What a game that was. I'll always love those tandem celebrations from Young and Laursen!
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 13, 2021, 12:20:27 PM
Dean Smith BT Sport:
"What Young brings first and foremost is unbelievable experience and professionalism.He's also got versatility, can play a number of different positions, and I think he's impressed everybody at the football club so far with how fit he is. It should be young Ashley rather than Ashley Young. Young is still in the top five in everything he does which has been really pleasing."




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Post by: OCD on August 13, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
I think signing Ashley Young is one of those signings where it makes a lot of sense at the time and then when you see him training/playing, you realise it's actually a much better signing than you realised and he's got a lot more to give than what we may have foreseen for him. I think he's going to be involved a lot.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2021, 03:35:59 PM
The last year or two we have lacked a bit of experience in the dressing room - the sort of thing Petrov used to bring to us, or what the likes of a James Milner would bring.

To that end - and let's not remember, Young won the Italian league and played 30 starts and 15 sub appearances last season.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 13, 2021, 04:03:35 PM
I thought when we got him he could be the signing of the season - for most clubs
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 13, 2021, 09:39:32 PM
Aston Villaís Ashley Young: ĎI think we can definitely reach Europeí

Source: The Guardian

Ashley Young had dreams when he joined Watford as a 10-year-old but it is fair to say he did not envisage returning to Vicarage Road 26 years later as the only Englishman to have won the league in England and Italy. ďI donít think I would actually have believed that,Ē says the player who, on Saturday, will kick off his second stint at Aston Villa at the club where his exceptional journey began. But nostalgia will not grip him.

"I donít think Iím really going to look back at achievements until I retire.
Iím still playing, still fit and I still want to achieve things. Iíve been an ambitious person since I was a kid and thatís just grown and grown. That mentality will never leave me"

That is one of the reasons why he should prove to be a canny signing by Villa, who were quick to lure him on a free in June after he concluded a successful 18-month spell at Internazionale by winning Serie A. Embracing the Italian challenge rather than idling in luxury at Old Trafford was in keeping with Youngís character.....
During Youngís first incarnation as a Villa player the club finished sixth for three seasons in a row under Martin OíNeill before the then-owner, Randy Lerner, lost the will to keep funding progress. Villa fell away while Young, after moving to United in 2011, continued climbing. He won every major domestic competition and the 2017 Europa League during nearly a decade at United before moving to Italy, and his 39 England caps included the run to the 2018 World Cup semi-finals. Now Villa, with renewed ambition under a pair of billionaire owners, Wes Edens and Nassef Sawiris, hope Young will add quality and knowhow to Dean Smithís budding team.

"I've been around the block I was captain at Manchester United, I know what it takes. If I can help influence the younger players, then Iím willing to give advice. Of course I donít have all the answers but so far whenever any of the younger guys have asked me anything, Iíve been able to help. But that works both ways: everyone that goes out on to the pitch has to talk. Everyone has to help everyone"
Young is among those who believe the departure of Jack Grealish need not clip Villaís wings, especially as this summerís other recruits Ė Emi BuendŪa, Leon Bailey and Danny Ings Ė enrich an already talented squad. ďYou canít take anything away from what Jack did Ė he was fantastic for the club,Ē he says. ďBut when players move on, you move on too. I believe the club has done great business in recruiting the players that they have. One player went out but four have come in so far. So the competition in the squad is very good"

"You have to be on your toes 24/7, in every training session and every game. That sort of competition is very healthy and Iíve had it at every club Iíve been at. There is so much potential, qualities in abundance. Iíve got a really good feeling about this season. The owners and the manager have backed the team and now itís down to the team to go out and produce on the pitch. I think we can definitely reach Europe, which is where a club of this magnitude should be year in, year out"

As for Youngís position, that, as ever, is an open issue. The player is happy about that, because he has never seen versatility as a curse. ďI think Iíve played in every position in my career except goalkeeper"

"Obviously I was brought up as a winger or a No 10 and I always wanted to stay there but if youíre asked to play wing-back or whatever, you go out and give your best. I have a good football brain and can play different positions. I went to the World Cup as a wing-back so you canít think that being versatile hinders your chances. Iíve played at left-back in some of the pre-season friendlies with Villa and then I played as a winger in one [against Salernitana] and I scored. Wherever the manager calls on me to play, Iíll go out there and give my all. There are chances to win things at this club"





Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2021, 02:09:44 PM
Let's go Ashley Young!
Brilliant official news he starts
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: CT on August 14, 2021, 04:22:38 PM
Let's go Ashley Young!
Brilliant official news he starts

Iíd imagine if a certain ex player of ours had completely neglected his defensive duties like AY has today, youíd be slaughtering him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2021, 04:43:28 PM
Playing ok at left back this second half . Stopped Sarr from further damage .so hardly fair to say he neglecting defence with anything he's improved us second half ahead of Targett
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rigadon on August 14, 2021, 04:53:15 PM
Prefer him at left back to Targett.  I'd start him there when fit.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 14, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
better at left back than in attacking midfield.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: CT on August 14, 2021, 04:53:58 PM
Playing ok at left back this second half . Stopped Sarr from further damage .so hardly fair to say he neglecting defence with anything he's improved us second half ahead of Targett


Did you see the first half? Did you see him anywhere near helping Targett out? We were 2-0 down at half time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 14, 2021, 04:56:07 PM
Did really well 2nd half. Diablocal by smith to keep targett there.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2021, 05:07:30 PM
Tell you what is going to happen.

He's going to become the one who inexplicably gets picked week after week and has us asking whether it's in his contract he has to start etc etc.
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Post by: dicedlam on August 14, 2021, 05:16:38 PM
Young is a squad filler not a starter. He should no way of been selected to play in that wingers role. For all the plaudits he has received for his fitness, it still doesnít alter the fact Dean Smith and the coaching staff thought a 36 year old bloke could be relied upon to to play 90 minutes and to expect him to track back a la Trezeguet. Madness.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 05:17:48 PM
Playing him in midfield at that age. Smith has obviously got him confused with Messi
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 22, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
A solid performance by Young Vs Newcastle who deservedly kept his place though started and remained at left back

Youngy is one to have a go at other players and ref far more than Targett and brings that edge as well as quality and experience.
Certainly one to use and rotate position with Targett as MT played all of last season and now has fair competition for his place.

Well played Ash. A nice second debut . Clean sheet. Job done.
Particularly liked way gave words to the diver who tried to gain a penalty first half and then it all kicked off.
Young won't hold back with what he has to say.
Good voice to have on our team.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: jwarry on August 22, 2021, 06:21:10 PM
Right now Young is the better option as Targett has lost his fitness, strength and confidence again.  The good news this time is that we donít have to persevere as Ash is a more than able deputy
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: supertom on August 22, 2021, 06:27:42 PM
I don't want to write off Targett after one half. Ash played well at left back (but looked done at 75 minutes) and provides something a little different but he's not going to last 90 minutes every week. Targett is still the main man.

Ash doesn't look great as a winger anymore, understandably, but actually, he played a 10 role in Houlliers season. He's wiley, he was picking out some nice passes. As a potential 10 option every now and again (where pace isn't as much of a prerequisite) I could see him there too.

I don't foresee him starting over 30 games this season. He'll be playing a lot from the bench and that's in no small part why we've got him, as a useful squad option.

He certainly keeps his place for now, but there'll come a run of fixtures where he needs a break.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2021, 06:35:27 PM
Youngís doing OK but in a left sided Elmo sort of way. For an ex-winger his crosses annoy me, every one yesterday was sort of wafted in with loads of back spin making them easy to defend.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: KevinGage on August 22, 2021, 06:56:29 PM
From memory, Targett didn't play so well in the first game out against Sheff U last season. And then had an absolute stinker against Fulham away.  Shortly after that, we played Liverpool at home and he never looked back.

He's a touch player, who needs to play to get sharp and get focused.

Barring injury, suspension or whatever, he shouldn't be dropped for a 36 year old.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2021, 07:00:45 PM
I actually thought yesterday his passing quality was the best on the pitch. But I might have been imagining that.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2021, 07:04:00 PM
^^^ as i suspected, checked whoscored.com, lowest on our team except Ings.
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Post by: London Villan on August 22, 2021, 07:40:07 PM
He was a proper leader though, bought some clever free kicks and not afraid to tell AEG to move more. Useful on and off the pitch.
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Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 22, 2021, 07:46:39 PM
He's still on the naughty step for me. Give him time though.
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Post by: Bad English on August 22, 2021, 09:46:57 PM
not afraid to tell AEG to move...
He's not alone in that respect.
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Post by: Ad@m on August 22, 2021, 11:59:34 PM
He was a proper leader though, bought some clever free kicks and not afraid to tell AEG to move more. Useful on and off the pitch.

I also don't remember him moaning at the ref as much as he seemed to yesterday.  I don't mind it though - I don't want Villa players to be nice and accommodating on the pitch!
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 23, 2021, 12:04:54 AM
He's spent the past decade at clubs who are used to having every decision go their way.
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Post by: OCD on August 23, 2021, 12:24:07 AM
He was a proper leader though, bought some clever free kicks and not afraid to tell AEG to move more. Useful on and off the pitch.

I also don't remember him moaning at the ref as much as he seemed to yesterday.  I don't mind it though - I don't want Villa players to be nice and accommodating on the pitch!

Someone has to take over that role now that the main protagonist has left.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 23, 2021, 06:43:59 AM
Thought he was poor on the ball, too many times had a chance to cross and passed the ball back - and he is not a left back

Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 23, 2021, 11:03:03 AM
Amazing how we see different things.

I saw a really assured performance from a very good left back.  I'd like to see a bit more ambition from him going foward, but he's working with ElGhazi not Grealish so I can see why either he is more reluctant or his intrustions have been more conservative than Targett last season.

I really like Matt Targett, but we're fortunate to have such a good alternative and for me it's Youngs shirt for the time being.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 23, 2021, 11:11:24 AM
From memory, Targett didn't play so well in the first game out against Sheff U last season. And then had an absolute stinker against Fulham away.  Shortly after that, we played Liverpool at home and he never looked back.

He's a touch player, who needs to play to get sharp and get focused.

Barring injury, suspension or whatever, he shouldn't be dropped for a 36 year old.

Indeed he shouldn't if age is the defining factor.  Young doesn't play like a 36 year old.  He looks as fit as all the rest of them and that's why he's playing.  It's up to Target to get himself fit and back into the team on merit and to stay there. I'm sure he will soon enough.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 23, 2021, 06:06:03 PM
Just before El Ghazi took the pen, for some reason You g caught my eye, and he was really geeing up all the other villa players nearby. I thought he had a decent game, but more than anything was another captain on the pitch, which is a real positive. Another leader whether heís in the first team or not.
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Post by: vilan461 on August 23, 2021, 07:08:22 PM
A solid performance by Young Vs Newcastle who deservedly kept his place though started and remained at left back

Youngy is one to have a go at other players and ref far more than Targett and brings that edge as well as quality and experience.
Certainly one to use and rotate position with Targett as MT played all of last season and now has fair competition for his place.

Well played Ash. A nice second debut . Clean sheet. Job done.
Particularly liked way gave words to the diver who tried to gain a penalty first half and then it all kicked off.
Young won't hold back with what he has to say.
Good voice to have on our team.
Good post ---sums it up imo perfectly--UTV
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 23, 2021, 07:09:08 PM
He's a good left back these days.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2021, 07:43:26 PM
Just before El Ghazi took the pen, for some reason You g caught my eye, and he was really geeing up all the other villa players nearby. I thought he had a decent game, but more than anything was another captain on the pitch, which is a real positive. Another leader whether heís in the first team or not.

After one of the goals you could see him barking instructions to the huddle of celebrating players.  If my memory serves me right he was also in Southgateís leadership team whilst at the World Cup.  This sort of personality will be vital now Terry has left.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2021, 02:13:17 PM
Good to see Young keeps his place in 11 as deserves to be in the side and is one of the leaders of the team

Think his experience will help today without Mings and McGinn a player who is vocal like Ash is essential.
Interesting to see where he plays as Targett is back in too
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2021, 12:04:22 AM
Bollocks to that but it's great to have him in the squad when we need him. Top pro, won't let us down, no matter where asked to play. Very intelligent signing.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 23, 2021, 11:48:51 PM
I didn't expect Youngy to miss the penalty Vs Chelsea.
Thought he captained well however he was a couple of times wanting defensively.
I be interested to see reception he gets at Old Trafford on Saturday
Amazing he played in the 2010 League cup final for Villa Vs Man Utd 11 years ago  and there he is Captain of Villa all years later on Wednesday
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 09:30:55 AM
Good to hear he was being serenaded  by the man utd fans yesterday when he was warming up by the touchline.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 26, 2021, 09:37:02 AM
Wonder if he will continue to play past this season.  Iím not so sure
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 09:49:49 AM
Yeah interesting one. I do thing it helps to have experience within the squad . And a winner and top level one at that.
I think where we're going just have him here for this as the experinced head to come in as and when.
That said he's a player who looks after himself so another season isn't out if the realms and think like how Premier league clubs often like an experienced goalkeeper now teams like to have one or two mid 30s outfield player of quality within their squad

Funnily enough in this system I feel Young would do well as one of the wing backs especially in what he can offer in an attacking sense.

36 years now I don't mind at all if he's here next season even if he'll be turning 37 in July .
Next season will be interesting with the World Cup and premier league break so he would be useful to have in the squad .

This is all based and providing he shows his worth for the rest of this season
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Post by: Risso on September 26, 2021, 09:54:15 AM
I don't think he offers anything at all in an attacking sense, and as handy as he is in a utility full back sort of way, when Bailey and Sanson are fit, I can see Young not being in the squad any more. With the four central defenders we have, all of them look comfortable at full back as well, so there'll not be much use for Young really.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 26, 2021, 10:07:09 AM
I don't think he offers anything at all in an attacking sense, and as handy as he is in a utility full back sort of way, when Bailey and Sanson are fit, I can see Young not being in the squad any more. With the four central defenders we have, all of them look comfortable at full back as well, so there'll not be much use for Young really.

Whilst his playing time will decrease I think he will still be important as a kinda coach within the playing group; setting the example with regards to the work ethic and as a sounding board for younger players.  He was selected in Southgateís management team so he clearly has form for this sort of role.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 26, 2021, 10:21:30 AM
Agree, playing wise he'll struggle to get a kick. But yesterday I noticed the cameras pick him up when he was sat on the benches as Archer was being readied, and he was gesturing to someone on the pitch about something, ending with him tapping the side of his head in a 'think about it' way.

Call me a romantic old fool, but I like to think he's come back for all the right reasons. He felt he had unfinished business, he's a winner, and he wants to help us be more successful than we were in his previous stint. A polar opposite of the class of 2015.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 26, 2021, 10:28:15 AM
He's a useful squad player. You need a decent squad to compete. We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season. I'd imagine Young is a good influence on the likes of the Chucky and Ramsey brothers, JPB, Archer and so on, too.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 10:33:26 AM
He's a useful squad player. You need a decent squad to compete. We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season. I'd imagine Young is a good influence on the likes of the Chucky and Ramsey brothers, JPB, Archer and so on, too.

Spot on. And he'll be competitive to be in the team and I think all the players know his value within the squad.
 He's been there seen it and done it
Knows how to get in the refs ear. Knows how to win free kicks . Knows how to play the game. He seeks the advantage and is a winner.
Not only that he has a fondness and some affinity with our club and without Elmo, Taylor, Heaton is the experienced voice in the dressing room, touchline,  pitch that gives a quality feel to the squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 26, 2021, 10:45:14 AM
I think he is exactly the sort of player to bring on to shore things up.
I can not see him starting much unless there is a crisis.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 11:25:45 AM
People need to factor in the period up to and around Christams .
These fixtures even allowing for TV day changes we have a period of games that high chance Ashley Young will be playing minutes and sometimes  starting as will others as we make use of the rest of the squad over the many games

Sat 27 Nov
Tue 30 Nov
Sat 4 Dec
Sat 11 Dec
Tue 14 Dec
Sat 18 Dec
Sun 26 Dec
Tue 28 Dec
Sat 1 Jan
Sat 8th Jan FA Cup 3rd round.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 26, 2021, 12:28:10 PM
I love how they save all the midweek games for when it's bastard cold. 🥺
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 26, 2021, 12:30:35 PM
People need to factor in the period up to and around Christams .
These fixtures even allowing for TV day changes we have a period of games that high chance Ashley Young will be playing minutes and sometimes  starting as will others as we make use of the rest of the squad over the many games

Sat 27 Nov
Tue 30 Nov
Sat 4 Dec
Sat 11 Dec
Tue 14 Dec
Sat 18 Dec
Sun 26 Dec
Tue 28 Dec
Sat 1 Jan
Sat 8th Jan FA Cup 3rd round.


That give me a migraine from an FPL perspective, let alone managing the real thing.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on September 26, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season.

It's not remotely comparable though. He's a 36 year old on a one year contract, specifically brought in as a short term stop gap. All I'm saying is that we're lucky now that all of our first choice central defenders are good enough to cover the full back spots, especially now we're playing the formation that dare not speak its name!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: PeterWithe on September 26, 2021, 12:33:52 PM
I like him, he rarely gives the ball away which is a great attribute to have when you are protecting a lead
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 26, 2021, 12:37:38 PM
We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season.

It's not remotely comparable though. He's a 36 year old on a one year contract, specifically brought in as a short term stop gap. All I'm saying is that we're lucky now that all of our first choice central defenders are good enough to cover the full back spots, especially now we're playing the formation that dare not speak its name!

Playing said formation, albeit hopefully not for long, seems another reason to keep him. Hause may be perfectly fine as cover for centre half or a conventional left back. But the proponents of 5-3-2 like to tell me that it allows full backs to get forward more. Young is clearly a better option as an attacking full back than Hause.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 26, 2021, 01:32:50 PM
We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season.

It's not remotely comparable though. He's a 36 year old on a one year contract, specifically brought in as a short term stop gap. All I'm saying is that we're lucky now that all of our first choice central defenders are good enough to cover the full back spots, especially now we're playing the formation that dare not speak its name!

Playing said formation, albeit hopefully not for long, seems another reason to keep him. Hause may be perfectly fine as cover for centre half or a conventional left back. But the proponents of 5-3-2 like to tell me that it allows full backs to get forward more. Young is clearly a better option as an attacking full back than Hause.

Not forgetting the wealth of experience he brings to a youngish team
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: four fornicholl on September 26, 2021, 01:39:30 PM
We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season.

It's not remotely comparable though. He's a 36 year old on a one year contract, specifically brought in as a short term stop gap. All I'm saying is that we're lucky now that all of our first choice central defenders are good enough to cover the full back spots, especially now we're playing the formation that dare not speak its name!

Playing said formation, albeit hopefully not for long, seems another reason to keep him. Hause may be perfectly fine as cover for centre half or a conventional left back. But the proponents of 5-3-2 like to tell me that it allows full backs to get forward more. Young is clearly a better option as an attacking full back than Hause.
Do I sense a slight wavering there CD? ;) ;)
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 26, 2021, 01:46:07 PM
Never! 😄

I suppose I can put up with it on a short-term, needs must, basis while we have players out or struggling to get up to speed. Long term, though, I want to see us getting the best out of Buendia and Bailey and scaring fuck out of the opposition. I don't see how they fit in with the current formation.

I suppose it doesn't hurt to have players confident in using more than one system and, if we are defending a lead, I can live with reverting to three centre halves now that the four competitors for CB spots have shown themselves proficient at it. When we've tried it in previous seasons, I've felt that they get in each other's way and we look more likely to concede but they seem much improved of late.

That's as close as you'll get to me softening my stance...
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 26, 2021, 03:37:53 PM
Citeh nullified Chelsea playing the same system and it was the same Italy England. At the moment teams are not sure which system we will play. But like CD I am not a believer in it long term.
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Post by: Risso on September 26, 2021, 03:40:24 PM
Same here. I think it would make sense to use the same team/formation for Spurs away but I'd be a bit disappointed if we lined up at Wolves at home the same.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 26, 2021, 03:43:34 PM
Iíd like to think we have arrived or are close to arriving at a point we donít need to have one formation/system. We have really good players who can adapt to playing in a number of ways and will all work hard when given the opportunity. The one thing that is noticeable now is just how fast we close down and try to win the ball back. And not just one on one closing down, but in clusters that move as the ball moves so players arenít left exposed.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 26, 2021, 04:23:55 PM
Bit of an odd bump. He's already started twice this season (although we obviously don't want to see him grace central midfield again).

He'll surely come in if Targett gets a knock as I don't really see the point of shifting Mings or Hause there and they certainly can't do it if it's a 3-5-2. That would suit Young more than the flat back 4 we played.

He'll come in for the odd game over xmas I'd imagine and play first few rounds of the cup if we draw non prem teams plus as said he'll be great behind the scenes and in dressing room.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 26, 2021, 04:32:16 PM
Ashley Young will provide more to the club off the pitch this season than on it. But on it he will never let us down*











*ermÖobviously aside from penalty shootouts
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: DrGonzo on September 26, 2021, 05:32:22 PM
Do you think he has ambitions to go into management?  He'd do a lot worse than to have a few seasons a la Terry.  The youngsters would no doubt be happy to see another old boy in the set up, especially one with the experience that Young has.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on September 26, 2021, 06:47:53 PM
Do we need any more coaches though? We seem to have more people in a track suit around the dug out than any other football team I've ever seen!
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 26, 2021, 07:04:55 PM
Have you seen how difficult it is to get a ticket?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: DrGonzo on September 27, 2021, 10:36:05 AM
Yank Soccer is one of the most technical team sports in the world, made up of teams within a team.  It has to work on an individual, group and team level for the whole to function, to a much greater degree than is true in football.  If your right back is out of position the midfielder nearest can slot in and the responsibilty is shifted along the line.  If your safety misses his cover the quaterback hits the pass and a touchdown is on. 

The level of coaching is so much higher than we have in football, we are talking about having a set piece coach as a new thing.  We are miles behind in terms of the level of technical coaching that exist elsewhere.  I'd be quite happy to see us develop this side of the game.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 27, 2021, 10:56:25 AM
The same with all elite sport, once you get to the very top you're looking for miniscule things to give you an advantage. I don't think you can have too many specialist coaches.
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Post by: algy on September 27, 2021, 11:32:08 AM
Yank Soccer is one of the most technical team sports in the world, made up of teams within a team.  It has to work on an individual, group and team level for the whole to function, to a much greater degree than is true in football.  If your right back is out of position the midfielder nearest can slot in and the responsibilty is shifted along the line.  If your safety misses his cover the quaterback hits the pass and a touchdown is on. 

The level of coaching is so much higher than we have in football, we are talking about having a set piece coach as a new thing.  We are miles behind in terms of the level of technical coaching that exist elsewhere.  I'd be quite happy to see us develop this side of the game.
Yeah.  It does strike me that if you're paying £30m+ for a player, plus the wages that go along with that - why wouldn't you also spuend a lot of coaching that player to protect/improve that investment? 
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 27, 2021, 01:41:44 PM
Iíd undoubtedly have him as first choice in place of Targett or Cash should they get injured, suspended or need a break. Heíll get a reasonable amount of game time this season for sure.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: BC Villain on October 16, 2021, 09:32:33 PM
Doing little to disprove the old saying of "never go back"
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Legion on October 16, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
What exactly does he offer us? A great player in his day but a liability at this level now.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 16, 2021, 09:42:58 PM
Agreed BC. I too was sceptical at the time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 22, 2021, 09:36:28 AM
Some may not rate him anymore I still do.
 I would look to start if not give him minutes vs Arsenal as that extra experience and quality vs Pepe will be needed and the fact that Young is far better in my minds eye at getting forward and attacking play than Targett
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Drummond on October 22, 2021, 09:56:03 AM
Some may not rate him anymore I still do.
 I would look to start if not give him minutes vs Arsenal as that extra experience and quality vs Pepe will be needed and the fact that Young is far better in my minds eye at getting forward and attacking play than Targett

No. Not at all.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on October 22, 2021, 10:06:51 AM
Some may not rate him anymore I still do.
 I would look to start if not give him minutes vs Arsenal as that extra experience and quality vs Pepe will be needed and the fact that Young is far better in my minds eye at getting forward and attacking play than Targett

No. Not at all.

Yes at all
The most recent example is last season stars.  Also Watford first match of the season the difference in quality as wing back defending vs Sarr

And then last season.

Young
26 appears
Goals 1
Assists 4
Played champions league

Targett
38 appears
Zero Goals
Assists 2
Didn't play champions league

Case closed
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ads on October 22, 2021, 11:14:36 AM
No chance would I be start Young over Targett at left back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: AV82EC on October 22, 2021, 11:16:08 AM
Targett every time for me. Young is an able back up as a sub or for injuries.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: algy on October 22, 2021, 11:27:34 AM
Targett every time for me. Young is an able back up as a sub or for injuries.
I think that's the point, though, isn't it?  Our options at left back in the summer were:

1. Have Targett and no back up
2. Get in Ashley Young as back up
3. Use a completely untested youngster as backup
4. Give Neil Taylor another 12 month contract
5. Buy a different backup leftback

To me, 1 and 4 weren't options at all.

3 might've been an option, but if those players are (at best) playing League 1 football on loan, I'm not sure they're ready for an extended run of games in the Premier League yet. 

So, you're really down to Ashley Young or *somebody else*, who's willing to move to us as a backup left back.  Bearing in mind that, at the time, we were fairly confident of keeping Joe Quisling (on a new, bigger contract).  I guess you could make a case that we could've gone for a promising youngster at another club who'd been out on loan, but they'd have cost an arm & a leg if they were likely to be any good.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 22, 2021, 11:46:20 AM
If Young is the answer Iíd hate to know what the question was.
He shouldnít have even been considered for a return to VP. Now that heís here he should be nowhere near a starting position. As for being subbed on I have my concerns (see wolves at home).
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 22, 2021, 06:03:42 PM
We got three clean sheets in the last three meetings without him. We were two-nil up last week when he came on and lost three-two. I can't remember a single bit of "defending" he did to help prevent said collapse, and the only attacking contribution I can recall thus far is his penalty miss at Chelsea.

I'm hopeful that he'll prove a useful squad player as the season goes on, but he's done about as much to deserve a start tonight as I have.

Targett has been generally excellent for about the last eighteen months and I'd be under no rush to throw him under the bus.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2021, 06:08:46 PM

Yes at all
The most recent example is last season stars.  Also Watford first match of the season the difference in quality as wing back defending vs Sarr

And then last season.

Young
26 appears
Goals 1
Assists 4
Played champions league

Targett
38 appears
Zero Goals
Assists 2
Didn't play champions league

Case closed

You're mental. By that definition, Tuanzebe is better than Konsa because he played Champions League last year and Ezri didn't. Here's the thing though, he isn't.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 22, 2021, 06:27:43 PM
To be blunt, Young is way off being adequate for this league now, past it in other words, and I can no more understand why he was brought back than I can understand why Tuanzebe was brought back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 05:22:32 PM
Great to see Ash come on and he's started to settle down as the half wore on and was close to creating a goal if not for a clearance by Rice
Need that experience in the team without Mings
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Post by: aj2k77 on October 31, 2021, 06:14:04 PM
Finished.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 31, 2021, 06:31:53 PM
Great to see Ash come on and he's started to settle down as the half wore on and was close to creating a goal if not for a clearance by Rice
Need that experience in the team without Mings

I think you're on your own, mate. He should be nowhere near the team at present.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 07:16:53 PM
Well I have to revise that statement I made as he was particularly poor.
Should have closed down Rice for his goal
And for the last didn't have the pace or effort to get back to close down Fornals because he slowed down after Martinez made a save and didn't rest quick enough.
It's fractions but Young today especially in defence looked shirt of the mark and pains me to say it.
Would have been more akin to him being subbed rather than Buendia.
He does have the experience of course but is seemingly a bit slow to react to things.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on October 31, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
Well I have to revise that statement I made as he was particularly poor.
Should have closed down Rice for his goal
And for the last didn't have the pace or effort to get back to close down Fornals because he slowed down after Martinez made a save and didn't rest quick enough.
It's fractions but Young today especially in defence looked shirt of the mark and pains me to say it.
Would have been more akin to him being subbed rather than Buendia.
He does have the experience of course but is seemingly a bit slow to react to things.

The biggest thing is that, even if he was 28 and at the height of his ability he still wasn't a central midfielder and still would've struggled against a very strong pairing in Rice and Soucek.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 31, 2021, 07:32:09 PM
Could understand the intention of the signing when we did it but just looks a mistake now.

We saw after Brentford he shouldn't be playing central midfield at all. Was bad enough him on at left wing on opening day.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 07:33:30 PM
Wing back or a sub for last 10 minutes of matches.
Has to pay an Elmo role now
Back up to the full backs
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: villadelph on October 31, 2021, 07:36:00 PM
Canít take out any anger on Ash. Not tracking Fornals on the rebound was tough but itís not his fault he was thrust into a position that didnít suit him or the team today.

You canít expect a butcher to make a decent wedding cake.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 31, 2021, 07:38:49 PM
Young has never ever been a central midfield player.  He is wide left or wing back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 31, 2021, 07:42:50 PM
A player who has played on the flanks for over 15 years suddenly asked to play the most demanding role, in the middle of the park at his age is poor management by Smith.
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Post by: Grande Pablo on October 31, 2021, 07:58:29 PM
Keeping Elmo for another year would have been more effective.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 08:01:31 PM
Young was really poor but he is a bloody left back! Why play him in midfield?? He doesnt play there anymore. Does he still think this waa ash from 10 years ago??

Thats smiths fault not youngs
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2021, 08:03:05 PM
Piss poor, but a crap lily-livered decision to bring him on.
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Post by: brontebilly on October 31, 2021, 08:06:37 PM
Options were limited....but bringing in Young into a midfield three was a terrible decision.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on October 31, 2021, 08:32:45 PM
Piss poor, but a crap lily-livered decision to bring him on.

He was clearly scared to bring one of the youngsters in so early but even allowing for that it was a poor decision.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 08:48:46 PM
Keeping Elmo for another year would have been more effective.
Maybe we'll bring in Luke Young for that one.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 31, 2021, 08:50:56 PM
Poor re-signing. Knew it at the time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Legion on October 31, 2021, 09:31:57 PM
Said the same.
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Post by: Ads on October 31, 2021, 09:34:10 PM
A stunning decision to bring him on and him giving the ball away by passing backwards when 25 yards from their goal, lead to the sending off.

Diabolical game management.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2021, 09:52:52 PM
I never, ever want to see him in a Villa shirt again. Appalling.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: sid1964 on November 01, 2021, 06:33:35 AM
He could not run in the 2nd half he was knackered - and he is a professional athlete!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: rob_bridge on November 01, 2021, 08:23:20 AM
Didnt have a problem if he was brought in for full back / wingback cover. His midfield days are way behind him. Each time he has played there we haven't
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Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2021, 08:55:47 AM
Wing back or a sub for last 10 minutes of matches.
Has to pay an Elmo role now
Back up to the full backs

Well I'm glad you've changed your mind from last week.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 01, 2021, 09:13:08 AM
Always likely to look okay in Italy where the game is much slower in tempo.  Hopelessly exposed in this league and is a last ten minute calming substitute at best.  At full back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2021, 09:40:45 AM
Always likely to look okay in Italy where the game is much slower in tempo.  Hopelessly exposed in this league and is a last ten minute calming substitute at best.  At full back.

Yep exactly.

I have to say I was gobsmacked when he came on to replace Ramsey.
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Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 10:02:06 AM
I never, ever want to see him in a Villa shirt again. Appalling.

Was smith playing in a position he doesnt play anymore.  Youngs a left back but only snith would give him a go in central midfield. Clueless manager
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Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2021, 10:04:50 AM
He was shit in the middle when he was 25, let alone now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: BC Villain on November 20, 2021, 04:45:54 PM
He was shit in the middle when he was 25, let alone now.

Made a big difference today
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 20, 2021, 04:50:08 PM
Brilliant today. Changed the game
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Post by: Monty on November 20, 2021, 04:55:54 PM
Er, wow, he was tremendous today. In midfield no less. Funny old world.
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Post by: aldridgeboy on November 20, 2021, 04:58:05 PM
Great impact today.
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Post by: Steve67 on November 20, 2021, 05:03:06 PM
Lovely pass for the Watkins goal and a brave and terrific block late on when he got kicked.   
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Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 20, 2021, 05:05:13 PM
A real quality performance today.
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Post by: jwarry on November 20, 2021, 05:18:46 PM
I can see him becoming SGís first Lieutenant
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Post by: brontebilly on November 20, 2021, 05:22:18 PM
Must say I was dreading it when he came on. Especially when he was moved into CM when AEG came on...but he changed the game.
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Post by: Mellin on November 20, 2021, 05:43:58 PM
Thereís our Ash.
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Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on November 20, 2021, 05:47:53 PM
Iíd been wondering why we resigned Ash? And there it was. Class is permanent.
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Post by: Rigadon on November 20, 2021, 05:50:08 PM
His quality was really evident and was reminiscent of the vintage Young for the first goal. Also noted that when we were celebrating both goals he was telling everyone in the huddle to keep their heads screwed on.  Class and experience - exactly why he was bought in. 
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 20, 2021, 06:42:42 PM
For me he still a left back but i dont think we can start him cm only to come in late on as a sub. He was good when Brighton started to tire
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Post by: Drummond on November 20, 2021, 06:44:30 PM
Similar to Milner, let's just hope he stays in form consistently.
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Post by: richtheholtender on November 20, 2021, 06:47:46 PM
Superb today
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Post by: Moonraker on November 20, 2021, 06:50:06 PM
Hasnt got the pace to be left bck any more, keep him where he is so he can use his brain.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 20, 2021, 06:58:42 PM
Added a real touch of class today.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 20, 2021, 07:06:53 PM
His quality was really evident and was reminiscent of the vintage Young for the first goal. Also noted that when we were celebrating both goals he was telling everyone in the huddle to keep their heads screwed on.  Class and experience - exactly why he was bought in. 

Gerrard just said something similar about Ashley being almost an extension of the coaching staff.
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Post by: Dick Edwards on November 20, 2021, 07:39:52 PM
Young really did change the game today.
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Post by: richtheholtender on November 20, 2021, 07:40:49 PM
Excellent today
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Post by: olaftab on November 20, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
I honestly thought it was a dfensive subsitution to help Targett to ensure we don't lose the game. But Potter gave it to us by taking Lamptey off and Ash crucified them.
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Post by: martin o`who?? on November 20, 2021, 07:58:45 PM
My mantra since he came back has been "why" but he made the difference this afternoon - I put plenty of salt on my words when I ate them.....
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 20, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Still no idea as to why we signed him. Ok today but even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 20, 2021, 08:20:03 PM
I donít think he was doing anything until AEG came on and he dropped into midfield, then the dribble that set up Watkins was excellent.
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