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Title: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 04:39:47 PM
lots of smoke now emerging on this one. If it finalizes as is expected it would represent an astute piece of business in my opinion. Overall last season he played 44 times for Inter Milan, 26 of which for a side that won Italy’s Serie A by a mile. He’s not done by a long stretch. Like Milner he’s kept himself in superb condition, changed his position successfully which has ultimately prolonged his career that speaks to his overall attitude. Should be come here he will coming to compete for a starting spot which will only make Matt Targett better. Here is a bit from his time in Italy. He still looks really good.

Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 16, 2021, 04:42:34 PM
And… he can take free kicks too from what I remember.

Responsible for one of the most incredible moments I’ve ever had as a Villa fan - that last minute winner v Everton when they’d scored a last minute equaliser.

Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 04:43:11 PM
With the departures of Taylor and particularly Elmo it's a canny signing, he can cover both fullback and wing positions and has a fuckton of experience and professionalism to bring to the table.

It's less important than that, but it would also really warm my heart. Hope it happens.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2021, 04:45:20 PM
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 04:45:25 PM
He was one of my favourite players during his first stint mainly because of his work rate. Obviously he had so many other great attributes but he never sat out a shift. He won’t be the same player obviously but what he has lost in pace or energy he will be smart enough to introduce other traits we badly need.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ExclDawg on June 16, 2021, 04:47:35 PM
Probably the best kind of cover you can have at a position.  If you don't have a young guy that's looking to break into the first team in the next 2-3 years, then you should have an experienced veteran that can put in professional shifts here and there, that's won a few things and knows what it takes, and can teach all the younger kids all the tricks of the trade.  If he's one of your best players from years past, even better!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 04:56:14 PM
Does he still dive?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Risso on June 16, 2021, 04:57:08 PM
A good idea if it happens. An upgrade on Elmo as a utility player at either full back or wide spot.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 16, 2021, 05:04:04 PM
A good idea if it happens. An upgrade on Elmo as a utility player at either full back or wide spot.

Yep spot on
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 05:04:07 PM
I wonder what Neil Taylor, currently live on telly, thinks about this!

Ash was our star during his time here and has kept himself in great nick. It's an astute piece of business and a bit romantic. Love and money, what more do you need?

It's a pity we're not in Europe as he'd get a fair bit more game time. As it is, he'll struggle to get ahead of Matt Targett most most of the time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 05:07:35 PM
TV, do you mean he started 26 games and was a sub in the remainder (out of 44) for Inter last season?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2021, 05:07:36 PM
Good signing, can play loads of positions, adds depth, adds professionalism and know-how, will inspire our brilliant kids team. Welcome home.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 16, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
Is there anything particularly reliable to confirm this?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Olof's Beard on June 16, 2021, 05:10:29 PM
I wonder what Neil Taylor, currently live on telly, thinks about this!

Ash was our star during his time here and has kept himself in great nick. It's an astute piece of business and a bit romantic. Love and money, what more do you need?

It's a pity we're not in Europe as he'd get a fair bit more game time. As it is, he'll struggle to get ahead of Matt Targett most most of the time.

His versatility will guarantee him game time, he won't just be covering left back even if that's his primary position.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 16, 2021, 05:18:24 PM
TV, do you mean he started 26 games and was a sub in the remainder (out of 44) for Inter last season?

I think  he meant to say he 44 games over 2 seasons, of which 26 were last season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Villafirst on June 16, 2021, 05:19:08 PM
John Percy is pretty reliable with his journalism. Looks highly likely he'll return to Villa Park. Apparently we've hijacked Burnley's deal to sign Young. Smart business in my opinion, he can cover a number of positions with his versatility. Also, he's very fit still and a great athlete. Can only be good as he can mentor the younger players with his experience.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 05:22:04 PM
Might have missed something, but I haven't seen anything from Percy on this...
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 05:25:58 PM
I wonder what Neil Taylor, currently live on telly, thinks about this!

Ash was our star during his time here and has kept himself in great nick. It's an astute piece of business and a bit romantic. Love and money, what more do you need?

It's a pity we're not in Europe as he'd get a fair bit more game time. As it is, he'll struggle to get ahead of Matt Targett most most of the time.

His versatility will guarantee him game time, he won't just be covering left back even if that's his primary position.

True. Could come on at half time for one of our erratic wingers.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2021, 05:26:30 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
Might have missed something, but I haven't seen anything from Percy on this...

It's Tweeted via Telegraph sport account rather than his personal one.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TelegraphSport/status/1405185260778819598


Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2021, 05:29:36 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

I'll be happy if he does it against them. We owe those ******.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: not3bad on June 16, 2021, 05:33:00 PM
Yeah good move. We need cover at left back and Ash Young has experience in the European leagues which will hopefully come in very handy soon.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Monty on June 16, 2021, 05:33:19 PM
Might have missed something, but I haven't seen anything from Percy on this...

It's Tweeted via Telegraph sport account rather than his personal one.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TelegraphSport/status/1405185260778819598

Noooiiiiice. Very happy with this.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: algy on June 16, 2021, 05:34:53 PM
I wonder what Neil Taylor, currently live on telly, thinks about this!

Ash was our star during his time here and has kept himself in great nick. It's an astute piece of business and a bit romantic. Love and money, what more do you need?

It's a pity we're not in Europe as he'd get a fair bit more game time. As it is, he'll struggle to get ahead of Matt Targett most most of the time.

His versatility will guarantee him game time, he won't just be covering left back even if that's his primary position.

True. Could come on at half time for one of our erratic wingers.
Yeah, he can play in enough positions that, whilst he might not be a regular in any one of them, he'll easy rack up 20-30 appearances.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2021, 05:43:58 PM
Maybe with an eye on moving into coaching as well.

"And this is how you make Joleon Lescott look like a ******, when he's not doing it by himself"
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 05:47:11 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Ian. on June 16, 2021, 05:53:46 PM
Interesting signing, obviously a very different version of Ashley Young to his last stint and hopefully a great addition to our squad adding a certain amount of experience which we definitely lack now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: darren woolley on June 16, 2021, 05:56:01 PM
I would be happy if we resign Ashly Young.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2021, 05:56:38 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Demitri_C on June 16, 2021, 06:04:48 PM
Scenes when he scores the winner at villa park against his former club at man united

Very happy if this comes off. The experience would be great
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: garyellis on June 16, 2021, 06:09:41 PM
It is an absolute no brainer
No transfer fee and an upgrade on cover compared to the two who have just left.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 06:10:16 PM
TV, do you mean he started 26 games and was a sub in the remainder (out of 44) for Inter last season?

I think  he meant to say he 44 games over 2 seasons, of which 26 were last season.

Yes correct. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. Essentially he made appearances in 26/38 league games last season plus he played in a total of 8 of domestic cup and CL games. So involved in 34 games in total for last season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 16, 2021, 06:10:44 PM
Decent crosser of the ball from set pieces too.

Obviously not the same player that he was when he first played with us, but he was the most exciting Villa player I've seen. Possibly now overtaken by Grealish.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 16, 2021, 06:20:24 PM
Not sure about this one to be honest but I'll hope for the best.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: TonyD on June 16, 2021, 06:35:12 PM
I think we should stick to players on the way up and not on the way down. 
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Kevin Dawson on June 16, 2021, 06:37:27 PM
We've lost Heaton, Taylor and Elmo.....for.a year of experience I'd take him
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: BC Villain on June 16, 2021, 06:38:32 PM
Mixed thoughts about this.  I'm wary about re-signing players who were a hit the first time round.  We'll wait and see
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 16, 2021, 06:40:09 PM
Free transfer and only 1 year deal.

1 year extension posdobke if it goes well, so I don't see what we have to lose.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: brontebilly on June 16, 2021, 06:43:14 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

That incident trumps the 37 goals and 59 assists (thanks transfermarkt) he got for us?? He won many a penalty for us too by dubious enough means...

I'd be suspect enough about what he can offer us on the pitch, some on here will explode if wing backs are being considered a tactical option for next season....but off the pitch, another solid pro who has played at the top level could only be a good influence to the younger player we have
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: danno on June 16, 2021, 06:57:46 PM
Fair play to Ashley Young, clever way to jump the 8000 on the season ticket waiting list. If he can teach our lads how to take corners and free kicks it's money well spent.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 16, 2021, 06:58:21 PM
Decent crosser of the ball from set pieces too.

Obviously not the same player that he was when he first played with us, but he was the most exciting Villa player I've seen. Possibly now overtaken by Grealish.

Decent? He was outstanding.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2021, 07:00:29 PM
I think we should stick to players on the way up and not on the way down. 

Why can’t we do both? Clubs way better than us (at the moment) don’t just stick to one approach when it comes to player acquisition. If signing experienced players is good for Juventus or Barcelona then we can employ a bit of both. It’s important we focus on development as you are suggesting but coupled with the right mix of experience it will help those younger players progress a little quicker.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 07:15:15 PM
Fair play to Ashley Young, clever way to jump the 8000 on the season ticket waiting list. If he can teach our lads how to take corners and free kicks it's money well spent.

Can hone Jack's diving skills too.

Imagine, how they'll be taking the news in Small Heath. "Greasy" and Young feigning their way to the Champions League with the Vile. It's gonna be sweet!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 16, 2021, 07:19:48 PM
I think we should stick to players on the way up and not on the way down. 

Why can’t we do both? Clubs way better than us (at the moment) don’t just stick to one approach when it comes to player acquisition. If signing experienced players is good for Juventus or Barcelona then we can employ a bit of both. It’s important we focus on development as you are suggesting but coupled with the right mix of experience it will help those younger players progress a little quicker.

Good point.  Just looking to last season, Cavani for Man United, and Thiago Silva for Chelsea, were hugely effective signings (not that Ashley Young is in their league, but the principle holds good).
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 16, 2021, 07:30:55 PM
I always tend to sway towards the view of "never go back" as it rarely works out.  Beyond Sid and, to an extent, Staunton, I can't think of many at the Villa where it's been a success.  However, basking in the optimism that we are now proactively brilliant in the transfer market, I will look forward to Ash rolling back the years as we march on to Champions League qualification.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: villadelph on June 16, 2021, 07:36:42 PM
I don't think there should be any fuss surrounding this one.

I would prefer Young to Elmo, Guilbert, Taylor, etc. in the case that Cash/Targett were unavailable. He knows his way around the grounds and would be a unique influence on our youth and newcomers.

Sign em up!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: London Villan on June 16, 2021, 07:38:28 PM
He’ll start 10 games, max, including league cup.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 16, 2021, 07:42:52 PM
Given the circumstances (ie Young's age, the number of years since he last played for us, the quality of our first choice players in his position, and the length of the likely contract), I think we can see this possible signing purely on its own merits rather than as the signing of a former player.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Dave on June 16, 2021, 07:49:17 PM
Considering he'd basically be replacing Neil Taylor, I think I'd take a 40 year old Ashley Young for that job.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 16, 2021, 08:09:54 PM
RCF's also a big fan of the 40-year-old version.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 16, 2021, 08:17:53 PM
this would be a really clever signing - cover for both full backs. Experience and a winning mentality. Nothing to criticise here.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: dorsetvillian on June 16, 2021, 08:32:09 PM
Makes complete sense. Very good recruitment if it comes off.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 16, 2021, 08:41:02 PM
Hope this comes off. It would be great for our young squad to train and play alongside a bloke who's won league titles in England and Italy.

And although it's largely immaterial, a part of me would be quietly emotional at a really good Villa player coming home.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 09:09:12 PM
Can't wait til he rocks up for his first Pravda interview in 10 years and who's there to meet him....only his old mucker, Jack Woodward.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 09:19:44 PM
this would be a really clever signing - cover for both full backs. Experience and a winning mentality. Nothing to criticise here.

And he takes set pieces.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: The Edge on June 16, 2021, 09:22:55 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.
You read my mind. I remember being disgusted with him that day. Especially when you look at the trend for not celebrating a goal against your former club. His lack of respect for us that day was very poor form indeed.
Edit: however with Elmo and Taylor going I do understand the logic behind it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 09:36:37 PM
Footballers don't have any loyalty. Expecting it is just setting yourself up for disappointment as a fan.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: steamer on June 16, 2021, 09:47:51 PM
Signing an experienced pro to replace one leaving (elmo , taylor ) is fine with me
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Damo70 on June 16, 2021, 09:54:03 PM
It would be a no from me purely because he is thirty five years of age. If he comes I hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2021, 09:56:32 PM
Footballers don't have any loyalty. Expecting it is just setting yourself up for disappointment as a fan.

Do football clubs have loyalty to players?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: passport1 on June 16, 2021, 10:01:34 PM
No definitely  not.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Ad@m on June 16, 2021, 10:34:26 PM
Footballers don't have any loyalty. Expecting it is just setting yourself up for disappointment as a fan.

Do football clubs have loyalty to players?

Bouma and Petrov spring to mind.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 11:03:24 PM
They are outliers. Clubs are run as businesses, not charities (though tenure and commitment by a player may be rewarded) and players have 15 years or so to make as much moolah as they can. So, as much as I'd love Jack to stay here for the rest of his career, if and when he does leave, it will be impossible to begrudge him (unless he downgrades and goes to Arsenal).
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 16, 2021, 11:11:04 PM
We were a charity once.  We gave Lescott a contract.  And Simon Dawkins.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 16, 2021, 11:11:37 PM
RCF's also a big fan of the 40-year-old version.

You're wasted on here. Philistines!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2021, 11:14:05 PM
We were a charity once.  We gave Lescott a contract.  And Simon Dawkins.

Dawkins! And Omar Cummings....or was he just a triallist?

Jesus, Lambert really did a number on expectation-management.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: The Edge on June 16, 2021, 11:41:04 PM
We were a charity once.  We gave Lescott a contract.  And Simon Dawkins.
That wasn't money wasted though. He did come up with The Theory Of Everything and some amazing stuff about Quantum Physics.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Legion on June 16, 2021, 11:51:50 PM
Not too sure about this.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 17, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Makes total sense, senior head and experience in the dressing room that weve lost. Can cover both fullback roles. Done deal
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: sickbeggar on June 17, 2021, 09:09:49 AM
A bit of a strange one to me. Don't think its a terrible acquisition, but i'm struggling to see the point really.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Towser on June 17, 2021, 09:11:40 AM
John Percy now reporting this will be confirmed in the next 24 hours
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 09:20:56 AM
A bit of a strange one to me. Don't think its a terrible acquisition, but i'm struggling to see the point really.

I see him as an upgrade on Elmo.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Ian. on June 17, 2021, 09:23:54 AM
A bit of a strange one to me. Don't think its a terrible acquisition, but i'm struggling to see the point really.

I see him as an upgrade on Elmo.


I really like Cash but he’s going to always pick up bookings with his very enthusiastic nature, I’m sure Young can do the business back there when called upon.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on June 17, 2021, 09:29:18 AM
Its a yes from me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Nev on June 17, 2021, 09:31:32 AM
Well, they say never go back so I'm taking a guarded approach. Of course his experience and maturity will help but I'm always nervous about signing players on their way back down.

If Dean and the staff think it's a worthy addition then so be it, here's to it working out for both parties.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: UK Redsox on June 17, 2021, 09:36:53 AM
Villa have two young full backs.
You're not going to get a peak-of-career player as backup without Champions League football.
You don't really want to rely on an under 21/23 as backup
The Guilbert situation is a bit of a mystery

Therefore, bringing in an experienced old-pro to act as injury cover and play a few games makes perfect sense. Forget the fact that it looks like being Ash.

With both Elmo and Taylor leaving, either Freddie has to come back into the fold or Villa need another signing in addition to Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: sickbeggar on June 17, 2021, 09:46:03 AM
A bit of a strange one to me. Don't think its a terrible acquisition, but i'm struggling to see the point really.

I see him as an upgrade on Elmo.

Well he is provided his legs haven't gone. I just see it as so...…...temporary. Could be that Smith doesn't want to spend the money on a squad/challenging full-back this summer, or he thinks someone from the youth will be ready next season. Dunno. He's free I guess.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2021, 09:51:59 AM
I've said this so many times that I worry I'm becoming a bore, but Dean doesn't sign the players.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Demitri_C on June 17, 2021, 09:52:15 AM
The more i think of this move on a free as well i think this is a shrewd but of business.

To reject Watford for us as well a club he has a big affirmation with shows he has a soft spot for this club
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Dick Edwards on June 17, 2021, 09:56:07 AM
The more i think of this move on a free as well i think this is a shrewd but of business.

To reject Watford for us as well a club he has a big affirmation with shows he has a soft spot for this club

His spot may have no doubt been softened by us offering him more money than Watford.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Demitri_C on June 17, 2021, 09:59:45 AM
The more i think of this move on a free as well i think this is a shrewd but of business.

To reject Watford for us as well a club he has a big affirmation with shows he has a soft spot for this club

His spot may have no doubt been softened by us offering him more money than Watford.

Could be but i think he has fonder memories here than Watford.  Maybe working with top players like buendia and grealish too
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: AllanW on June 17, 2021, 10:04:11 AM

I really like Cash but he’s going to always pick up bookings with his very enthusiastic nature, I’m sure Young can do the business back there when called upon.

That's the element of his arrival, if that's on the cards, that is most important to me; he will occupy one of the 25 PL roster places and needs therefore to justify it. He has a number of decent positives to bring to the table but I'm not as convinced as you are of some of the more key ones.

He can undoubtedly cover left and right back positions. Plus. Good flexibility; can't understand why he hasn't made Southgates' squad with his versatility in this regard. Multi-use all-rounders being his particular fetish.

He has vast, top-flight experience to bring to the young squad. Plus. Great international and top club experience, solid and calm under pressure, Villa history as well; what's not to like about this aspect?

Presumably affordable. Plus. Not a vast length contract, not a vast wage addition, presumably. Makes sense to have a mix of players to add variety and bridge the time until the academy prospects can justify their first team inclusion without the obstruction of a lengthy contract to overcome. All good.

BUT

He'll be used as defensive cover and that's where my concern is; he's not as good as you might think. Not my opinion, look at the various statistics and analytical feeds available to all.

On 'WhoScored' for example, under 'defensive' they rate his tackling as his weakness.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/8166/Show/Ashley-Young

At 'One-versus-One' his current defensive capabilities are great going forward but very low on winning headers, getting in blocks and winning tackles.
https://one-versus-one.com/en/players/Ashley-Young

This is the classic picture of a wing-back. Of course the numbers are not the be-all-and-end-all but they do paint a picture. It's a picture of 'nice wing-back going forward'. My point is that for maybe 8 or 10 games next season, when pushing for Europe, we will need a strong-tackling, able to dig in, rough, tough defender. Not pretty but effective, to help us grab a point from a bad position or hold out for a win away from home for the last 20 minutes. And I'm not sure he's that defender.

I'm all for the story of his return, I appreciate his many advantages I'm just not convinced that he'll be the best option at the one thing we absolutely NEED him to do; effectively counter the likes of Sterling, Mane, Rashford, Havertz, Richarlison, and all the other PL strikers operating from wide. None of the academy players, who wouldn't occupy a roster position, can provide this defensive bite IMO. So if we need someone, and we do to cover wide on both sides, I'd prefer an out-and-out defensive biter. 

Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 10:15:14 AM
I think it’d be a very sensible signing.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Allan C on June 17, 2021, 10:26:27 AM
It’s the right kind of transfer we should do right now, a proven quality, PL (and higher) experience player who will be cover in various positions. I personally lost all warmth and liking for him when he performed that ridiculous dive against us. For that reason I’d rather he didn’t come but I can see the benefits if he does
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2021, 10:27:19 AM
Allan C and Allan W posting so close together confuses me!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Allan C on June 17, 2021, 10:30:24 AM
Allan C and Allan W posting so close together confuses me!
Funnily enough, it does me too!! I sometimes think I’ve posted something that I haven’t
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: AllanW on June 17, 2021, 10:35:18 AM

Funnily enough, it does me too!! I sometimes think I’ve posted something that I haven’t

Hehe. Nice one.

But there is one surefire way of telling whether it's you or me who has posted; your posts don't get trashed by the troglodytes as soon as they appear. No matter what content they have.

On Young, I can see the benefits, like you, I'm just not convinced on the defensive side.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2021, 10:36:01 AM
Allan C and Allan W posting so close together confuses me!
Funnily enough, it does me too!! I sometimes think I’ve posted something that I haven’t

You wouldn't have the time, Allan!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: sickbeggar on June 17, 2021, 10:39:40 AM

I really like Cash but he’s going to always pick up bookings with his very enthusiastic nature, I’m sure Young can do the business back there when called upon.

That's the element of his arrival, if that's on the cards, that is most important to me; he will occupy one of the 25 PL roster places and needs therefore to justify it. He has a number of decent positives to bring to the table but I'm not as convinced as you are of some of the more key ones.

He can undoubtedly cover left and right back positions. Plus. Good flexibility; can't understand why he hasn't made Southgates' squad with his versatility in this regard. Multi-use all-rounders being his particular fetish.

He has vast, top-flight experience to bring to the young squad. Plus. Great international and top club experience, solid and calm under pressure, Villa history as well; what's not to like about this aspect?

Presumably affordable. Plus. Not a vast length contract, not a vast wage addition, presumably. Makes sense to have a mix of players to add variety and bridge the time until the academy prospects can justify their first team inclusion without the obstruction of a lengthy contract to overcome. All good.

BUT

He'll be used as defensive cover and that's where my concern is; he's not as good as you might think. Not my opinion, look at the various statistics and analytical feeds available to all.

On 'WhoScored' for example, under 'defensive' they rate his tackling as his weakness.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/8166/Show/Ashley-Young

At 'One-versus-One' his current defensive capabilities are great going forward but very low on winning headers, getting in blocks and winning tackles.
https://one-versus-one.com/en/players/Ashley-Young

This is the classic picture of a wing-back. Of course the numbers are not the be-all-and-end-all but they do paint a picture. It's a picture of 'nice wing-back going forward'. My point is that for maybe 8 or 10 games next season, when pushing for Europe, we will need a strong-tackling, able to dig in, rough, tough defender. Not pretty but effective, to help us grab a point from a bad position or hold out for a win away from home for the last 20 minutes. And I'm not sure he's that defender.

I'm all for the story of his return, I appreciate his many advantages I'm just not convinced that he'll be the best option at the one thing we absolutely NEED him to do; effectively counter the likes of Sterling, Mane, Rashford, Havertz, Richarlison, and all the other PL strikers operating from wide. None of the academy players, who wouldn't occupy a roster position, can provide this defensive bite IMO. So if we need someone, and we do to cover wide on both sides, I'd prefer an out-and-out defensive biter.


Strange. When he was ManU, their main complaint from memory is he created nothing going forward. Although that could have been a Mourinho thing
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: AllanW on June 17, 2021, 10:46:19 AM

Strange. When he was ManU, their main complaint from memory is he created nothing going forward. Although that could have been a Mourinho thing

Probably a Mourinho thing. He's been used for England as a wing-back most often I think.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 17, 2021, 10:54:59 AM
Allan C and Allan W posting so close together confuses me!

They're both the same in my head.  All Allans look the same there.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: not3bad on June 17, 2021, 10:57:30 AM
I like the symmetry of the move. The first time Ashley Young came to us we were a side on the up who finished 11th that season. Now he may come to us when we're a side on the up that just finished 11th.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: algy on June 17, 2021, 11:25:55 AM
Well he is provided his legs haven't gone. I just see it as so...…...temporary. Could be that Smith doesn't want to spend the money on a squad/challenging full-back this summer, or he thinks someone from the youth will be ready next season. Dunno. He's free I guess.
Yeah, he's a temporary signing.  I think in a few cases, though, doing that's justified.

At the moment, if we were signing a backup fullback I'd guess our options would be fairly limited.  They're not going to get a huge number of games in realistically.  Ashley Young would represent a realistic challenger to both of their first team places, and is undoubtedly a Champions League quality player - he's been a regular for the runaway Serie A winners this season just gone.

Hopefully in 2 years time we'll be playing Champions League - or at least European - football, and we'll be able to offer more games, at a higher level, to any prospective signings.  That should make recruiting a replacement for Young much easier.

I think, like you, I'm really not a fan of short term signings - but in this particular case it's justified.  Plus, as others have said, we've a very young side that's lost some of it's more senior/experienced players this summer.  In moderation, a signing like that can be very effective (e.g. Cambiasso at Leicester)
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: darren woolley on June 17, 2021, 11:27:58 AM
His experience will be very valuable for us.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2021, 11:34:11 AM
Some are really overthinking this. If he had done nothing last year yes we should all be concerned. That wasn’t the case at all. He played a key role in his side winning Serie A and played in the CL. We know his attitude first hand. As well as any supporter group. He won’t be the same footballer who left because he’s older. But he has clearly modified his game to lengthen his career and will use that versatility and drive to challenge for a starting role and offer leadership on and off the pitch. He knows the club. We know him. This is a super short term signing.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Dave on June 17, 2021, 11:45:25 AM

Strange. When he was ManU, their main complaint from memory is he created nothing going forward. Although that could have been a Mourinho thing

Probably a Mourinho thing. He's been used for England as a wing-back most often I think.

Started the World Cup semi-final there.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: rooboy316 on June 17, 2021, 11:57:50 AM
Very little downside risk.. at worst he warms the bench, teaches the youngsters a thing or two, and we pay a year of wages. Plenty of upside if it comes off, and a cost efficient way to get cover in a number of positions Without holding back the youngsters in their development. No brainer for me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: caster troy on June 17, 2021, 12:11:06 PM
Logically he seems the perfect stop gap while we wait for European football to justify a bigger squad and/or our promising U23 full backs to develop. Experienced, winning mentality. Good on set pieces.

Emotionally... 'unfinished business' with us cracking the top 4, big game player, former crowd favourite, former idol of Jacks?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: lovejoy on June 17, 2021, 12:34:01 PM
It's a no from me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Axl Rose on June 17, 2021, 12:51:43 PM
Amazing. Absolutely loved him at the Villa before and was gutted when he left.

Glad he's returning.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Axl Rose on June 17, 2021, 01:09:17 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

Haha. I can also understand this point of view. You've made me laugh, mate.

Still, I want him back!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 17, 2021, 01:12:44 PM
He owes us a decent season after his last one here.

Welcome back, Ashley.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2021, 02:06:08 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

So, hypothetically, you'd turn down Fernandes on a free?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 17, 2021, 02:15:48 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

So, hypothetically, you'd turn down Fernandes on a free?
exactly
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2021, 02:34:54 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

So, hypothetically, you'd turn down Fernandes on a free?
exactly

Have you got a nose?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: CT Villan on June 17, 2021, 02:35:44 PM
Seems like a very canny signing if it happens. You would imagine at his age he will be accepting of a back-up role and with his obvious pedigree should push Cash and Targett on to higher performance levels. His contract should be short and most of all, he isn't Micah Richards. No brainer for me !
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2021, 02:35:48 PM
Sorry, can’t get excited about a player who was happy to dive and get a penalty against us whilst playing for Manure.

Really? That offsets all the good times he gave us and the fact he's kept his body and fitness up like a Milner? C'mon...
Cmon how many times have we been done by their dodgy penalty routine and he is part of that legacy so fuck him and them.

So, hypothetically, you'd turn down Fernandes on a free?
exactly

Well, okay. A bit crazy but each to their own.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: sickbeggar on June 17, 2021, 02:38:32 PM
I wouldn't want Fernandez playing for us. Good player but come on, there are limits...
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 17, 2021, 02:54:20 PM
I wouldn't want Fernandez playing for us. Good player but come on, there are limits...

I would not want any shithead from them as they would only see us as a step down. (before anyone says McGrath he was finished at United and we was at the time a step up)

All the footballing reasons  = a great bit of sensible business

Personal = As he left us for them - he is dead to me
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 03:01:19 PM
I’m happy to welcome him back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Allan C on June 17, 2021, 03:12:46 PM
I wouldn't want Fernandez playing for us. Good player but come on, there are limits...
This is exactly why football is like no other thing in life. I absolutely hate Fernandez and the way he whinges and moans and everything he does on the pitch BUT I’d love him to be playing for us.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2021, 03:57:35 PM
I rate those 2 crosses for Gabby at the Sty or at Old Trafford or the 2 goals he scored against Small Heath when we battered them 5, slightly higher than a dive that one time in a game we got shovelled in anyway.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2021, 04:05:45 PM
I rate those 2 crosses for Gabby at the Sty or at Old Trafford or the 2 goals he scored against Small Heath when we battered them 5, slightly higher than a dive that one time in a game we got shovelled in anyway.

The goal at Everton remains one of my favourite Villa moments ever and I wasn't even there. Had been out for lunch with the missus and dived into The Village in Moseley for the last half an hour, the bar was full of gleeful noses texting their mates when Lescott scored, so they weren't watching when it went it, and me and the one other Villa fan in there sitting about 10ft away from us went mental.

The looks on their faces was priceless.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2021, 04:13:42 PM
Having medical, terms agreed. Sky.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Demitri_C on June 17, 2021, 04:18:53 PM
We detested terry before he moved here and we all really respect him for what he has done here.

No hard feelings from me and i will welcome young back with open arms. He was fantastic for us before
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Post by: PhilVill on June 17, 2021, 04:25:00 PM
Yep, big welcome back from me, that Everton moment is easily in my top ten Villa moments, even with the traditional restricted bloody view 😅
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2021, 04:36:22 PM
It might be nice to sign someone who isn’t a reigning league champion, just for a change.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Lsvilla on June 17, 2021, 04:58:26 PM
Done according to AVTransfers on Twitter.
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Post by: caster troy on June 17, 2021, 05:04:19 PM
Should be an interesting interview. And a rare chance to compare two shirt stretch pictures for the same player, same club 15 years apart.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2021, 05:09:05 PM
We detested terry before he moved here and we all really respect him for what he has done here.

No. No, we don't.

Happy with Young though.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2021, 05:21:16 PM
Our oldest player by 7 years. The next one being 28. I think that demonstrates the absolute lack of an older head, when we have 1 bugger over 30.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: London Villan on June 17, 2021, 05:22:21 PM
It’s a sensible signing as it works for our squad, right now. Young coming on with 10mins to go in a game would be fine.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Dazvillain on June 17, 2021, 05:45:03 PM
I don't think there should be any fuss surrounding this one.

I would prefer Young to Elmo, Guilbert, Taylor, etc. in the case that Cash/Targett were unavailable. He knows his way around the grounds and would be a unique influence on our youth and newcomers.

Sign em up!

Would have preferred as well As not instead I’d Elmo
. He is 4 years older which is why I don’t understand Elmo being released . Not to say I’m a little pleased with the business tho
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 05:49:35 PM
Love Elmo and appreciate he’s a different type of player, but he’s never been at Young’s level.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: richtheholtender on June 17, 2021, 05:57:27 PM
Don’t forget we have 5 league and fa cup games for when we get to the final of those. We’re going to need a squad
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: darren woolley on June 17, 2021, 06:01:08 PM
I'm happy he's coming back.
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Post by: colin69 on June 17, 2021, 06:11:28 PM
I really cannot see the point in it to be honest. 35 and surely not going to play much. Backwards step.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Rudy65 on June 17, 2021, 06:12:32 PM
Young and Morley are the best wingers I’ve seen at VP in 50 years of supporting the club. Welcome back Ash
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: andyh on June 17, 2021, 06:13:58 PM
Elmo and Trez replaced by Young ? That’ll do!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: nordenvillain on June 17, 2021, 06:14:39 PM
[quote a
We detested terry before he moved here and we all really respect him for what he has done here.

No. No, we don't.

Happy with Young though.

No. No, we don't.

Happy with Young though.
[/quote]
SE, very interested in your reply - What is your view then on John Terry whilst he has been at Villa ? I can see his influence on our defence and for that I value his input.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 17, 2021, 06:35:42 PM
Young and Morley are the best wingers I’ve seen at VP in 50 years of supporting the club. Welcome back Ash
Daley and Walters better than Young IMO
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2021, 06:46:47 PM
Never saw Walters play for us but Young was far more consistent than Daley. He's one of the best players we've had since I started watching in 1988.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2021, 06:49:09 PM
Young and Morley are the best wingers I’ve seen at VP in 50 years of supporting the club. Welcome back Ash
Daley and Walters better than Young IMO
I agree. Both were much better ball manipulators.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 17, 2021, 06:51:45 PM
If young is signed on a one year contract then it shouldn't really go wrong, and could work out really well; unless, that is, it leads directly or indirectly to the departure of Guilbert, which I think would be very bad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2021, 06:52:28 PM
I don't think Smith rates Guilbert, unfortunately. Young covers left back much more often than right back, though.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: LukeJames on June 17, 2021, 07:03:53 PM
Confirmed
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Post by: Villan For Life on June 17, 2021, 07:04:33 PM
Welcome home Ashley
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Post by: Ad@m on June 17, 2021, 07:05:17 PM
On the o/s
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Lescottstweets on June 17, 2021, 07:06:46 PM
To say I’m angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested
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Post by: Matt C on June 17, 2021, 07:08:50 PM
Smart signing. I read it as having swapped Taylor for Young and added some experience and winning mentality.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 17, 2021, 07:09:31 PM
Twitter says it’s happened!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2021, 07:09:59 PM
Quality signing. We already have one of the best teams, but not one of the best squads. This helps rectify this and will be an inspiration to our younger players. Literally no downside.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 07:10:14 PM
Welcome home Ash.
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Post by: Chris Stares on June 17, 2021, 07:13:54 PM
I'm not unhappy with this signing. A model pro, hence his longevity (just helped Inter to win the Serie A title at a canter having made a significant number of appearances during the season as a starter and from the bench - 23 in total I believe), and will bring much-needed experience and influence to a squad that has just lost the older heads of Elmo, Neil Taylor and Tom Heaton.  I can't really think of any downsides in all honesty - he's not going to be a starter but is a decent backup to have available.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 17, 2021, 07:15:03 PM
Only a one year contract too, so none of that brainless shovelling millions upon millions into the pockets of has-beens for sitting on the bench for years.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 07:16:12 PM
Amend the thread title, he's home alright.

Edit: that was fast.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2021, 07:16:16 PM
Welcome home Ash

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1405586203529912320?s=21
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 17, 2021, 07:18:05 PM
Smart signing.
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Post by: devilla on June 17, 2021, 07:23:07 PM
And… he can take free kicks too from what I remember.

Responsible for one of the most incredible moments I’ve ever had as a Villa fan - that last minute winner v Everton when they’d scored a last minute equaliser.

That was an incredible goal. I remember phoning 606 after the match to rave about it whilst quite drunk.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: LukeJames on June 17, 2021, 07:26:02 PM
He's the same age as me but how the fuck does he still look so young?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2021, 07:26:06 PM
To say I’m angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Angry and disappointed? Seriously? What's he done for that feeling?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 17, 2021, 07:26:21 PM
Welcome home Ash

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1405586203529912320?s=21

Hope his return is better than that announcement. It was like watching TOTP circa 1990 on BBC 4.
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Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2021, 07:26:43 PM
I'm pleased.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 07:27:27 PM
To say I’m angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Angry and disappointed? Seriously? What's he done for that feeling?

Won the Scudetto by winning the trust of famously lax and sentimental manager Antonio Conte.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 17, 2021, 07:27:48 PM
To say I’m angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Stop all the clocks!
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Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 07:28:20 PM
Happy with this, experienced squad player who knows the club and adds a winning mentality in the dressing room.

As an aside i think this summer is going to be really exciting, I can see a lot of opposition fans being shocked by our business.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: MalcolmP on June 17, 2021, 07:28:32 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 07:31:54 PM
To say I’m angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Weird.
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Post by: OCD on June 17, 2021, 07:33:24 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡

Kesler will be better off going and getting regular first team football and then he can be a genuine option. They clearly don't rate Guilbert.

I agree about Konsa as an option at right back though. I would sell Engels and get that Fulham centre back who's highly rated and then Konsa can fill in at right back without us losing anything in the centre.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 17, 2021, 07:35:26 PM
Welcome back! https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1405588200920432641
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
Blimey it’s weird to decide you can’t stand a player for one incident with Manure, rather than remember all the brilliance for us.
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Post by: andyh on June 17, 2021, 07:40:31 PM
Ollie will have a permanent hard on thinking he’s going to get 40 goals next season with the quality of his supply line..
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Post by: Dave on June 17, 2021, 07:41:34 PM
Welcome back! https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1405588200920432641

Gotta love his Twitter background. He reset that nice and quickly.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/1692240811/1623953160/1500x500)
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2021, 07:42:58 PM
Blimey it’s weird to decide you can’t stand a player for one incident with Manure, rather than remember all the brilliance for us.

There were always a weird section of our support that never gave him much credit when he was here. Easily one of our best players of the last thirty years.

Everton away, Small Heath 5-1, long awaited Old Trafford win. Some great memories.
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Post by: Villan For Life on June 17, 2021, 07:45:51 PM
He's the same age as me but how the fuck does he still look so young?

Must be something to do with his surname......
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: manic-road on June 17, 2021, 07:48:22 PM
Could well be an astute signing, an experienced pro and still has quality. Welcome back Ash
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Monty on June 17, 2021, 07:48:43 PM
Imagine if this was the season he won that long overdue cup with us. The absolute scenes.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 17, 2021, 07:49:21 PM
Welcome back! https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1405588200920432641

Gotta love his Twitter background. He reset that nice and quickly.

Always thinking on his feet if not staying on them.
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Post by: aldridgeboy on June 17, 2021, 07:57:57 PM
Very good signing. Cover for both full backs, and can still play attacking.  Great experience. 12 month deal. Absolute no brainer.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 17, 2021, 07:59:58 PM
Chuffed with this. Still a marvellous player and need a bit of experience with Elmo and Taylor gone.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 17, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
Blimey it’s weird to decide you can’t stand a player for one incident with Manure, rather than remember all the brilliance for us.

I was about to post this very thing!
I don't get it.
He gave us years of great service and then he goes and plays for someone who won trophies.
I don't see the problem.
Welcome back Ash.
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Post by: CT on June 17, 2021, 08:00:53 PM
Clearly this isn’t our normal type of signing anymore. So for us to do this, the powers that be must feel he'll be worth it for what he will bring to the team and squad as a whole.

Spoke well in his interview, but 36 next month, blimey!

A bit like JT, some of that winning mentality.

This isn’t the Villa of old. If it was, we’d have given him a four year deal.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 17, 2021, 08:02:35 PM


Never gets old. 🙂
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: LeonW on June 17, 2021, 08:04:35 PM
This seems very much out of kilter with the recruitment policy and approach the club were taking. Not saying that there shouldn’t be room for changing things up, but this one I don’t think should break that trend. At this stage in his career, Young will be exactly the sort of player opposition will target, particularly with what Smith gets his wide players to do. Plus, hasn’t he been playing at wing back for Inter, not full back?? If it’s his experience that’s of value, then give him a coaching role. I’d much rather start getting the young players involved/developed.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 17, 2021, 08:04:52 PM
I’m quite excited about this, I may be living in the past but he is still a decent player and his experience will be of great value.

You don’t win a Serie A title at 35 without being a good professional and looking after yourself, so just for that he is a good buy.

Need to Get Carew out of retirement now to get on the end of his crosses!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2021, 08:05:40 PM


Never gets old. 🙂


have that lescott you tool
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: passport1 on June 17, 2021, 08:12:18 PM
I thought we had left this sort of thing behind. Oh well.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Taylor on June 17, 2021, 08:12:38 PM
My only reservation is the old adage about “never going back”, and I’m old enough to remember Steve Staunton’s second spell with us. However I doubt he’s going to be first choice, and it seems he’s still got a couple of seasons in him. Welcome back AY.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: dave shelley on June 17, 2021, 08:14:03 PM
Welcome back, you were missed.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Damo70 on June 17, 2021, 08:14:15 PM
I am underwhelmed purely on the basis of his age. It also doesn't seem to fit in with our transfer strategy.
Although if we have ignored our transfer strategy to sign Young it would suggest Dean Smith was particularly keen to get him. So for that that reason I hope my concerns about his age are not proven correct.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: devilla on June 17, 2021, 08:15:37 PM
Very pleased with this, welcome home Ashley.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Dave on June 17, 2021, 08:21:11 PM
I am underwhelmed purely on the basis of his age.

How many teams ever have had a 28 year old as their oldest player, as we did until Young signed?

They can't all be 24 years old.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: nodge on June 17, 2021, 08:22:06 PM
Welcome back! https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1405588200920432641

He looks the same age as when we first signed him!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Demitri_C on June 17, 2021, 08:23:54 PM
Welcome home ashley

Watching his interview he looks absolutely chuffed. I loved the part of the interview when he said on hearing of villas interest he said " i told my agent just get it done"

He is thrilled  to be back and i am thrilled he is back
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2021, 08:26:31 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡

I do. I dont forget his crosses at the Sty for Gabby or his countless goals.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 17, 2021, 08:41:20 PM
I am underwhelmed purely on the basis of his age.

How many teams ever have had a 28 year old as their oldest player, as we did until Young signed?

They can't all be 24 years old.

Exactly. There are a few stages to go through yet before we're at the stage that Man City are where they have two world stars for every position. I'm happy that we're improving the squad all the time. Up until now, if anything had happened to Targett we'd have had to bring in Neil Taylor. Now we have someone who has just won a Serie A title as back up. That's a huge improvement, and gives us a year to see which of the kids might be ready for the step up. I like a good moan, but I really can't see anything other than positives in this at all.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: citizenDJ on June 17, 2021, 08:52:40 PM
Well, that’s that, then. Targett must be off to Man City.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 17, 2021, 08:54:34 PM
Well, that’s that, then. Targett must be off to Man City.

Blimey, hello stranger!  Weirdly the kids were only talking about you last night!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: citizenDJ on June 17, 2021, 08:55:50 PM
Well, that’s that, then. Targett must be off to Man City.

Blimey, hello stranger!  Weirdly the kids were only talking about you last night!

Hello mate! Hope you are all keeping well - I’m flattered to be remembered!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: BC Villain on June 17, 2021, 09:00:26 PM
Very impressed with his interview and doesn't seem to have the "one last payday" attitude.  Feel happier about this than I did a couple of days ago.

Ten years ago today, we appointed TSM.  A week later? Young left for Manure.  Final closure on a dismal chapter in our history.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: john e on June 17, 2021, 09:00:57 PM
I’m okay with it

I was never a massive fan of Elmo, I respected his service but always felt he weakened side when he came on
I know people loved him on here but I was never one of them

I actually think Ashley Young at 35/36 is probably still a better footballer than Elmo was in his prime
And certainly offers more in the final third

He covers so many options I think it’s a sensible signing
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: London Villan on June 17, 2021, 09:02:54 PM
1-0 up in the last 10 mins of the Cup Final, i’d prefer to bring Young on rather than a kid or Neil Taylor…
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2021, 09:14:22 PM
This, that and the other.

We have a very experienced and very professional winner in the dressing room to help the youngest squad in the league. It's smart squad management.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: BC Villain on June 17, 2021, 09:20:10 PM
I’m okay with it

I was never a massive fan of Elmo, I respected his service but always felt he weakened side when he came on
I know people loved him on here but I was never one of them

I actually think Ashley Young at 35/36 is probably still a better footballer than Elmo was in his prime
And certainly offers more in the final third

He covers so many options I think it’s a sensible signing

Clearly still fit enough to compete as well.  You don't play regularly for Conte without being fit enough.

Scary to think he's a year younger than Agbonlahor, yet has looked after his body, as opposed to abusing it
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Villa Lew on June 17, 2021, 09:31:26 PM
It's not a signing I thought we should have gone for, thought he was passed his best, when he last played for United 2 years ago, but hopefully he will prove me wrong. Welcome back Ashley.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 09:34:59 PM
Well that’s demonstrably proved not to be the case from his time at Inter.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 09:39:10 PM
I’m okay with it

I was never a massive fan of Elmo, I respected his service but always felt he weakened side when he came on
I know people loved him on here but I was never one of them

I actually think Ashley Young at 35/36 is probably still a better footballer than Elmo was in his prime
And certainly offers more in the final third

He covers so many options I think it’s a sensible signing

Yep, I don't think he'll play every game but I'll be a lot less concerned when Cash or Targett pick up a knock/suspension now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2021, 09:46:01 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡
Just think of all that knowledge of how to win penalties he brings to the dressing room. Could be worth 6 points a season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ducksworthy on June 17, 2021, 09:47:05 PM
It's not a signing I thought we should have gone for, thought he was passed his best, when he last played for United 2 years ago, but hopefully he will prove me wrong. Welcome back Ashley.

We’re not signing him “at his best”, that’s obviously years ago. This isn’t the proverbial final piece of the jigsaw type signing - we’re signing him to be an experienced, versatile cover option who gives it his all and has always had a good attitude. Makes total sense to me.

As I was in my mid-teens when he was playing for us, I felt then about him as I imagine the kids (and most of us!) feel about Jack now. My favourite player was JPA but the most exciting before Jack was Ashley.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rory on June 17, 2021, 09:52:58 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡

I do. I dont forget his crosses at the Sty for Gabby or his countless goals.

Agreed, some very strange bitterness on here. I like Ash, and don't hold it against him that he did against us what he spent four-and-a-half years doing for us.

Although he's not a supporter, I do think he has affection for the club. Even if he didn't, to still be playing and winning titles at nearly 36 is enough to convince me of his professionalism, and that he is more than good enough to have as back-up and around the squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 17, 2021, 09:53:47 PM
I'm OK with it. Decent options now to pick from Grealish, Young, Buendia, El Goalzi and Traore.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 09:57:42 PM
I'm OK with it. Decent options now to pick from Grealish, Young, Buendia, El Goalzi and Traore.

I'd be very surprised if he plays on the wing other than as a emergency when we're chasing a goal, he's been playing fullback for a while now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 17, 2021, 10:04:46 PM
I'm OK with it. Decent options now to pick from Grealish, Young, Buendia, El Goalzi and Traore.

I'd be very surprised if he plays on the wing other than as a emergency when we're chasing a goal, he's been playing fullback for a while now.

I know but I saw one.of those dream formation/line up graphics on face.book and he was tucked in on the.left with.Watkins up front, Jack behind and Buendia on the right. Young in his prime... that would have been mouth watering.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2021, 10:09:43 PM
Bring back Marlon Harewood next, we haven't had anyone that could celebrate winning a corner like he could since he left.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 17, 2021, 10:13:14 PM
I always found it curious how Milner appeared to be seen much favourably than Young, when I think the latter was more loyal to Villa. That’s not a criticism of Milner by the way, loved his time at the club, but I always felt that Young’s time wasn’t universally appreciated.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 17, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
I'm OK with it. Decent options now to pick from Grealish, Young, Buendia, El Goalzi and Traore.

I'd be very surprised if he plays on the wing other than as a emergency when we're chasing a goal, he's been playing fullback for a while now.

He'll be a better Elmo though. Predominantly a full back, but if you need to throw him on further forward, you'll know he'll keep things tight and still chuck the odd good cross in.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2021, 10:21:09 PM
I would like to see Nigel Reo-Coker return as well.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 17, 2021, 10:26:35 PM
I loved Ashley Young. He was like a more consistent Tony Daley with a lot more end product.  Not a knock against Daley,  one of  my early heroes, I just think Young in terms of crosses,  goals and assists was more consistent.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2021, 10:30:34 PM
I always found it curious how Milner appeared to be seen much favourably than Young, when I think the latter was more loyal to Villa. That’s not a criticism of Milner by the way, loved his time at the club, but I always felt that Young’s time wasn’t universally appreciated.

One is a flair player (that works hard) the other other is a workhorse (with a bit of extra quality), Villa fans have always liked a workhorse.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2021, 10:31:03 PM
while he wasn’t slow i never thought he was a really pacey winger, he was more about his technique  so i can see how he has adapted his game . it will be interesting to see how he gets on
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 17, 2021, 10:33:43 PM
He used to drive me nuts floating all those free kicks aimlessly over the bar.

However, whilst other players like Milner or Petrov may have contributed more, Young and Carew were the only two 'stand up when they get the ball' players we bought in the Lerner area.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: robleflaneur on June 17, 2021, 10:39:03 PM
'Arry had to sub his right back facing Ashley after about 30 mins.My daughter pointed out that Ashley always managed to get suspended for the games around Xmas.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 17, 2021, 10:47:10 PM
Interesting replacement for Jack....joke...that is a joke!!

Great free transfer, loads of top level experience and loads of credit in the bank for his first period at the club, for me anyhow.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ROBBO on June 17, 2021, 10:50:25 PM
In his first couple of years his balls into the box were unbelievable and anywhere just outside the box he was brilliant, then it all disappeared and he started floating balls, really puzzling. He is obviously a model pro and although i was not for it a twelve month contract is okay. Just wonder whether he will stay after his playing days to help bring the youg kids through.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: BC Villain on June 17, 2021, 11:07:36 PM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡

I do. I dont forget his crosses at the Sty for Gabby or his countless goals.

Agreed, some very strange bitterness on here. I like Ash, and don't hold it against him that he did against us what he spent four-and-a-half years doing for us.

Although he's not a supporter, I do think he has affection for the club. Even if he didn't, to still be playing and winning titles at nearly 36 is enough to convince me of his professionalism, and that he is more than good enough to have as back-up and around the squad.

Have to admit I'm not 100% sold on it, but I've warmed to the idea in the last couple of days.  Look at the comments on the clubs Facebook page and you'd have thought Fabian Delph had just walked back through the door.  I certainly don't get where this theory that he's a total arsehole who'll disrupt the dressing room has come from.

As for the dive against us?  It was ten years ago.  We never complained when he initiated contact to win us penalties last time he was here
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home nearly
Post by: Allan C on June 17, 2021, 11:23:22 PM
Young and Morley are the best wingers I’ve seen at VP in 50 years of supporting the club. Welcome back Ash
Daley and Walters better than Young IMO
I agree. Both were much better ball manipulators.
Ray Graydon wasn’t bad either
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 18, 2021, 03:22:10 AM
Another signing from below the press radar, and about as far removed from our typical current imports as you can get! Welcome back, Ashley. I was thinking earlier that we need more Italians, he's close enough. If he in any way lifts our club up another notch or two, either on the field or of it, then he's worth every penny and ounce of effort that it's taken to get him here.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Axl Rose on June 18, 2021, 05:19:41 AM
I always found it curious how Milner appeared to be seen much favourably than Young, when I think the latter was more loyal to Villa. That’s not a criticism of Milner by the way, loved his time at the club, but I always felt that Young’s time wasn’t universally appreciated.

I'm in the same boat as you, Paul. Miner was decent, but he never really excited me, and although a shame when he left, Young leaving was sadder. Maybe because at that time he was probably the best player we had.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: The Edge on June 18, 2021, 07:52:23 AM
Smart signing.
Guilbert and Kesler much smarter cover, Konsa can play right back and Hause can play left back so plenty of cover. Youngs wages would be better spent elsewhere. I also dont forget his 'contact' with Cieran Clark to win a penalty for utd😡

I do. I dont forget his crosses at the Sty for Gabby or his countless goals.
I can't lie. While I understand the logic in bringing him back as cover for a season that dive and his celebration for winning a penalty at OT still sticks in my craw. However if he did the same thing for us in front of the Holte to win a penalty against Utd all would be instantly forgiven.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: stubbsyandy on June 18, 2021, 08:17:32 AM
Let’s not just judge him on his time here, his time at United was pretty damn good and he’s just won the league in Italy...what’s not to like?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Lescottstweets on June 18, 2021, 08:17:46 AM
To say I’m angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Weird.

Wow, sorry for having an opinion ffs
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Monty on June 18, 2021, 08:25:28 AM
To say I’m angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Weird.

Wow, sorry for having an opinion ffs

Haha, and you're entitled to it, and everyone else is entitled to the opinion that it's weird.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: WarszaVillan on June 18, 2021, 08:33:43 AM
After watching the interview with him I'm now excited and convinced it's an excellent signing.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: algy on June 18, 2021, 08:47:09 AM
I think he fits in a lot better with our transfer policy than it appears at face value.

- No transfer fee, so we won't lose money on him. 1 year contract makes it low risk.
- Provides cover in several positions, and competition for first choice left back
- His experience will help the development of our younger players
- He strengthens our squad *and* stops Burnley - a potential rival - from signing him

Obviously you don't want a whole squad full of 35 year olds, but as an individual signing I think it's a masterstroke
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 18, 2021, 09:18:25 AM
I think he fits in a lot better with our transfer policy than it appears at face value.

- No transfer fee, so we won't lose money on him. 1 year contract makes it low risk.
- Provides cover in several positions, and competition for first choice left back
- His experience will help the development of our younger players
- He strengthens our squad *and* stops Burnley - a potential rival - from signing him

Obviously you don't want a whole squad full of 35 year olds, but as an individual signing I think it's a masterstroke
Good signing. Low risk. Might work. Might not.
But a masterstroke!!!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: mr underhill on June 18, 2021, 09:48:25 AM
I wonder what we're paying him?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 18, 2021, 09:49:04 AM
Struggling to understand the downsides here.

I watched two excellent young fullbacks in the youth cup final, but neither will be ready for a year or so.  Young will help bridge that gap.  He will be better than Taylor and probably better than Elmo.  So whether he's ultimately just a backup fullback, an attacking option to to chuck on if we're struggling or if he actually challenges for a starting place, he will be useful to the squad at very low cost and risk.

Having watched his interview he seems up for it and if he pushes either Targett or Cash hard for their place, then all the better.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 18, 2021, 09:50:47 AM
He's miles better than Elmo. Elmo never let us down but he isn't a top half of the PL level player. Ashley Young has just picked up a Serie A winner's medal.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 18, 2021, 09:54:57 AM
I know he's a better player than Elmo, but we'll have to see if he can still do it at PL level.  I know Elmo had a couple of torrid outings at the end, but mostly he was very capable for us.  I expect him to be better - I said probably - but will reserve final judgment until I've seen him deliver.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rory on June 18, 2021, 09:59:37 AM
He's miles better than Elmo. Elmo never let us down but he isn't a top half of the PL level player. Ashley Young has just picked up a Serie A winner's medal.

I was about to say, when did two players whose level is the Championship become so good that a player from Inter Milan is considered a downgrade?

It's natural to have reservations about any player, but I don't think it's realistic to assume Young will be worse than two players we have outgrown anyway. No disrespect to either of them.

Edit: that's not directed at you specifically, Chris.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 18, 2021, 10:09:36 AM
Nice to piss Burnley off too. They certainly pissed me off over the last 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2021, 10:10:22 AM
To say I’m angry and disappointed is an understatement. Yes he was good for us years ago and is experienced now but I thought it was a joke when we were reported as interested

Weird.

Wow, sorry for having an opinion ffs

Haha, and you're entitled to it, and everyone else is entitled to the opinion that it's weird.

Being disappointed with a signing is fair enough. Being angry is a bit odd though. It's a surprising signing more than anything but I hope it turns out to be a clever one. I
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: not3bad on June 18, 2021, 10:17:53 AM
I wonder what we're paying him?

More than Burnley offered.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: WarszaVillan on June 18, 2021, 10:32:28 AM
He's miles better than Elmo. Elmo never let us down but he isn't a top half of the PL level player. Ashley Young has just picked up a Serie A winner's medal.

And he was no bit part in that team, he played 27 games.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 18, 2021, 10:34:23 AM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...…..interesting.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 18, 2021, 10:41:06 AM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...…..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: sickbeggar on June 18, 2021, 10:46:34 AM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...…..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.

Depends on the legs I guess, but I think the Ashley Young of 2010-11 has long gone
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: KevinGage on June 18, 2021, 11:02:44 AM
I always found it curious how Milner appeared to be seen much favourably than Young, when I think the latter was more loyal to Villa. That’s not a criticism of Milner by the way, loved his time at the club, but I always felt that Young’s time wasn’t universally appreciated.

I'm in the same boat as you, Paul. Miner was decent, but he never really excited me, and although a shame when he left, Young leaving was sadder. Maybe because at that time he was probably the best player we had.

Aye. The Milner move - at the time - made sense all around.  Selling Young and Downing in the same summer felt like we were effectively giving up as a club. Which we were.

He's not the first (or even 21st) name I'd have thought as as a viable option this summer.  It's not a deal in any way, shape or form that will make other clubs around us sit up and take notice.

But I don't get the notion he'd be a troublemaker.  He's always been a good pro at the majority of his clubs. And for a player who relied on pace and nimbleness throughout his career, he's obviously kept himself in good shape.

As far as what Villa means to him etc, no one really knows the answer to that except him. But he did have some of the best years of his career here. And was seen attending Villa games a few times after his departure. He'll be closer to John Terry impact on the squad rather than Lescott or Richards. He might surprise a few by how many times he plays this year n'all.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on June 18, 2021, 11:23:21 AM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...…..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.

Depends on the legs I guess, but I think the Ashley Young of 2010-11 has long gone

Yes I expect so. But we've not bought him in to do that.  Hopefully Targett stays fit all season again, but Cash seems to struggle with periodic injuries.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: OCD on June 18, 2021, 11:25:07 AM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...…..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.

Depends on the legs I guess, but I think the Ashley Young of 2010-11 has long gone

He was playing left wingback under Conte at Inter so he had to cover the full length of the pitch. Going somewhere who play with a back 4 should help.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 18, 2021, 11:28:18 AM
I'd love it if we get treated to an old photo of him with a 10/11 years old Jack Grealish!#
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Post by: Rory on June 18, 2021, 11:29:19 AM
I'd love it if we get treated to an old photo of him with a 10/11 years old Jack Grealish!#

I wouldn't. I feel old enough as it is.
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Post by: rob_bridge on June 18, 2021, 12:06:11 PM
I always found it curious how Milner appeared to be seen much favourably than Young, when I think the latter was more loyal to Villa. That’s not a criticism of Milner by the way, loved his time at the club, but I always felt that Young’s time wasn’t universally appreciated.

I'm in the same boat as you, Paul. Miner was decent, but he never really excited me, and although a shame when he left, Young leaving was sadder. Maybe because at that time he was probably the best player we had.

Aye. The Milner move - at the time - made sense all around.  Selling Young and Downing in the same summer felt like we were effectively giving up as a club. Which we were.

He's not the first (or even 21st) name I'd have thought as as a viable option this summer.  It's not a deal in any way, shape or form that will make other clubs around us sit up and take notice.

But I don't get the notion he'd be a troublemaker.  He's always been a good pro at the majority of his clubs. And for a player who relied on pace and nimbleness throughout his career, he's obviously kept himself in good shape.

As far as what Villa means to him etc, no one really knows the answer to that except him. But he did have some of the best years of his career here. And was seen attending Villa games a few times after his departure. He'll be closer to John Terry impact on the squad rather than Lescott or Richards. He might surprise a few by how many times he plays this year n'all.

God yes in terms of squad impact - Terry has just won the title with Chelsea, same with Ashley at SerieA. Best days may be gone but the mentality they bring is different.

The other 2 I try not to think about them at Villa but Richards seems to be on every football show everywhere
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Post by: ChicagoLion on June 18, 2021, 12:10:29 PM
I fell out of love with him when he decided to become a one man team, took all the free kicks often badly and played himself in atttacking midfield where he was pretty ineffective. Well that’s how it looked at the time.
He then pissed off to manure and threw himself to the ground at the first opportunity to get a penalty against us
Of course I want him to do well for us but I am not getting the flags out.

I am not convinced he is what we need right now either.
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 18, 2021, 12:32:38 PM
Depends what you mean by 'what we need.'  I mean as extra fullbacks I'd rather be signing Reece James and Tierney.  But if you work on the basis that Cash & Targett are very good options and ideally we'll spend our money elsewhere, then really all we need is good cover to replace Elmo and Taylor.  I think Young not only does that, but is hungry enough to keep them right on their toes to keep their places.  On top of that he brings experience and a winning mentality to the squad.

It's not a mindblowing signing, but seems a pretty sensible one to me.
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Post by: sickbeggar on June 18, 2021, 12:35:07 PM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...…..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.

Depends on the legs I guess, but I think the Ashley Young of 2010-11 has long gone

He was playing left wingback under Conte at Inter so he had to cover the full length of the pitch. Going somewhere who play with a back 4 should help.

Yeah I was talking mainly in relation to the Trezeguet replacement theory. As others have said he's better than Elmo as cover and obviously the option to bring on someone with his experience with 70 minutes to go in a game to shut up shop/look for an equalizer is going to be a big plus.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on June 18, 2021, 12:46:18 PM
Welcome home Ash. Ignore the noise...
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2021, 01:03:24 PM
Interesting part of Ashley’s interview for me was when we said age only seems to be an issue in England and that he felt fitter than he was when he was here before. In large part because Conte made them work their balls off as a requirement of the WB role. Age is in the mind and he’s clearly kept himself in superb shape.
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Post by: caster troy on June 18, 2021, 01:12:26 PM
I think he'll also do a job next season when we are leading at Anfield, Emirates, OT and need a more defensively solid option in front of the full back than Traore/Buendia/El Ghazi.

Imagine the scenes if he comes off the bench and scores the winner in the final game to send us to the Champions League...
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 18, 2021, 01:45:58 PM
As others have said I don't really get why people are still upset about him leaving. He wasn't particularly disloyal imo. Weirdly Watford fans seem to hate him as well for the same reason. Having said that, I'm not sure about the fanboy reaction either. He's an okay signing. Could either be a masterstroke or we'll never see him play. I saw some site claiming he was going to be used in the Trezeguet role because of his injury. That should be...…..interesting.

Well I'm sure his versatility will be a plus, but his main role is clearly as back up full back, especially left back. That said, I can certainly see him playing a few games further forward as well. I think he'd still be a 7/10 there.

Depends on the legs I guess, but I think the Ashley Young of 2010-11 has long gone

He was playing left wingback under Conte at Inter so he had to cover the full length of the pitch. Going somewhere who play with a back 4 should help.

Yeah I was talking mainly in relation to the Trezeguet replacement theory. As others have said he's better than Elmo as cover and obviously the option to bring on someone with his experience with 70 minutes to go in a game to shut up shop/look for an equalizer is going to be a big plus.

Buendia has surely replaced Trez.

I think we'll see him a bit in the cups and will also be option to bring on for last 10-15 minutes in games we're winning given his experience (and he'll win loads of free kicks to run the clock down as Petrov used to be ace at).

Behind the scenes is where his recent experience will be vital. Wonder if he's planning to go into coaching when he calls it a day so we could possibly give him first step here if he's doing his badges currently.

One thing I will always say about Young is he's completely maximised his talent in the game compared to many others who came through at the same time, compare him to Wright-Phillips and Walcott for instance who basically both declined from 25 onwards, Young didn't.
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Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2021, 02:41:16 PM
One thing I will always say about Young is he's completely maximised his talent in the game compared to many others who came through at the same time, compare him to Wright-Phillips and Walcott for instance who basically both declined from 25 onwards, Young didn't.

The amount of attacking players who've come through in the premier league and gone into semi-retirement in their mid-20s in the last 20-30 years is shocking. It's happened in other positions as well but wingers in particular have been terrible for getting a handful of caps and then giving up.
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Post by: cdward on June 18, 2021, 03:08:02 PM
I thought the original signing of Ashley Young by MON was a real statement at the time. He was an up and coming talent that a few clubs had shown an interest in, and we got him.
It worked, he played well for us, progressed us as a club, and he progressed as a player.

It reminds me of the Buendia signing, except this time i hope in 5 years time we are not selling off our best players.
I think it is a sensible bit of business, he left on good terms and he came back, so he obviously still likes us.
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Post by: rob_bridge on June 18, 2021, 03:09:57 PM
One thing I will always say about Young is he's completely maximised his talent in the game compared to many others who came through at the same time, compare him to Wright-Phillips and Walcott for instance who basically both declined from 25 onwards, Young didn't.

The amount of attacking players who've come through in the premier league and gone into semi-retirement in their mid-20s in the last 20-30 years is shocking. It's happened in other positions as well but wingers in particular have been terrible for getting a handful of caps and then giving up.

Bentley and Jarvis spring to mind. Loftus Cheek heading there
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Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2021, 03:22:30 PM
One thing I will always say about Young is he's completely maximised his talent in the game compared to many others who came through at the same time, compare him to Wright-Phillips and Walcott for instance who basically both declined from 25 onwards, Young didn't.

The amount of attacking players who've come through in the premier league and gone into semi-retirement in their mid-20s in the last 20-30 years is shocking. It's happened in other positions as well but wingers in particular have been terrible for getting a handful of caps and then giving up.

Bentley and Jarvis spring to mind. Loftus Cheek heading there

McCormack, Gabby and Ireland for us, Oxlade-Chamberlain doesn't seem all that bothered about how little he plays. There's loads of them all through the English leagues, I can only assume because they're multi-millionaires in their early 20s and get more interested in being rich than in being a footballer.
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Post by: Lsvilla on June 18, 2021, 03:23:44 PM
I think there may be something in the coaching side of it as well. John Terry is entering the last year of his contract and will surely want a go at a head coach’s job somewhere at some stage soon.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 18, 2021, 04:51:03 PM
Jarvis got a bad injury to be fair and was never able to recapture his form.

Bentley supposedly didn't really like football.
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Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 19, 2021, 08:44:19 AM
I rate those 2 crosses for Gabby at the Sty or at Old Trafford or the 2 goals he scored against Small Heath when we battered them 5, slightly higher than a dive that one time in a game we got shovelled in anyway.

The goal at Everton remains one of my favourite Villa moments ever and I wasn't even there. Had been out for lunch with the missus and dived into The Village in Moseley for the last half an hour, the bar was full of gleeful noses texting their mates when Lescott scored, so they weren't watching when it went it, and me and the one other Villa fan in there sitting about 10ft away from us went mental.

The looks on their faces was priceless.

I was lucky enough to be at that game with my son - when Young scored he ran over to the Villa fans and started celebrating right in front of us - it was a magical moment.

On the Monday my wife was given a keepsake from one of her bosses at work - it was the shirt Ashley wore in the game - signed on the back within the white shirt number.

I later wrote to Ashley and asked him to sign the ticket stub from the game and a photograph of him celebrating (which was featured in one of our subsequent home match programmes). They were returned promptly and both signed.

It was a true dad and lad moment that will never be forgotten by me and VCTM jnr

Ironically the signed shirt is displayed in jnrs` room alongside signed photos of David O`Leary and Gareth Barry :)
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Post by: Scratchins on June 19, 2021, 09:01:12 AM
The Everton goal is a favourite family memory. I was there with my niece and nephew, he was 9 and small enough to be standing on the seat. When Lescott scored and came to us giving it large his stricken little face looked down at me and said “we aren’t going to win now are we?” and I agreed. Moments later we were leaping around and his sister’s phone shot underneath the seats – recovered safely thank goodness. We were messaging each other about this when he signed on Thursday.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 19, 2021, 09:59:01 AM
I only remember me and the missus leaping around the living room screaming - but it still goes to show what a great joyous moment it was.
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 19, 2021, 10:33:52 AM
I was at the Inn on the Green in Acocks Green.

A Nose in there was delighted when Everton equalised.

I may have knocked a table over in the melee after Young scored the winner.
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Post by: Ads on June 19, 2021, 10:34:56 AM
I think the Everton goal was one of my favourite ever Villa goals. Absolute scenes and limbs, scenes and limbs.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 19, 2021, 11:15:18 AM
I was listening to it on the radio in a house I shared with two other reprobates in Norwich. It looked like a crack den. I made so much noise that my housemate came to my room holding a cricket bat, thinking that something terrible was going on.
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Post by: Villan82 on June 19, 2021, 11:18:15 AM
One thing I will always say about Young is he's completely maximised his talent in the game compared to many others who came through at the same time, compare him to Wright-Phillips and Walcott for instance who basically both declined from 25 onwards, Young didn't.

The amount of attacking players who've come through in the premier league and gone into semi-retirement in their mid-20s in the last 20-30 years is shocking. It's happened in other positions as well but wingers in particular have been terrible for getting a handful of caps and then giving up.

Bentley and Jarvis spring to mind. Loftus Cheek heading there

Aaron Lennon seemed like Young's rival back in 2007-2010?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2021, 12:04:59 PM
He was, hence he was in the song (I think this is right...)

"He plays down the left and down the right.
Is it Shawn Wright-Phillips? No, he's shite.
Is it Aaron Lennon? Is someone gonna tell 'em?
It's Ashley Young he's fucking dynamite.

Singing aye aye Ashley Ashley Young..."
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 19, 2021, 01:29:03 PM
I was at Everton for the "Ashley goal" but i sat down in a huff after Lescott equalised, and was still sitting down moaning, when everyone started going barmy. I didnt see the goal until the Monday.

I also missed Sidwells goal as I was late getting into Goodison Park!!
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Post by: Ads on June 19, 2021, 01:32:48 PM
I was in the upper tier and took a chunk out of my shin on the wooden seat in front. Absolute bedlam. Can't wait for the to be back.
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Post by: brontebilly on June 19, 2021, 04:49:20 PM
Makes total sense, senior head and experience in the dressing room that weve lost. Can cover both fullback roles. Done deal

When did he last play in a back four at full back? Inter play with a back 3, so did England in 2018. With United, I can't recall to be honest what formation they played in the LvG/Mourinho days.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on June 19, 2021, 05:14:13 PM
My Daughter and I were guests of an Evertonian friend and were seated in the VIP area along with many other Evertonians (and a couple of Villans) so were unable to truly show our elation when AY scored but behind those calm exteriorsit was sheer bedlam
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Post by: danno on June 19, 2021, 05:36:04 PM
Makes total sense, senior head and experience in the dressing room that weve lost. Can cover both fullback roles. Done deal

When did he last play in a back four at full back? Inter play with a back 3, so did England in 2018. With United, I can't recall to be honest what formation they played in the LvG/Mourinho days.

Under Solksjaer he was captain and first choice at left back right up until he joined Inter Milan.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 19, 2021, 06:02:44 PM
That goal at Everton is my single favourite moment at any match. Incredible.
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Post by: supertom on June 19, 2021, 06:07:44 PM
Glad to have him back. Between 2007-9 he was exceptional. The season 2007/8 season in particular where he was in the team of the year IIRC, and really surprised people. He had a ridiculous amount of assists (we scored a shite load of goals that season too, 3rd highest scorers?). He was still consistent throughout the rest of O Neill's time and the second half of his final season, but that first full season he was absolutely high on confidence, always driving at fullbacks. The Chelsea game I recall him and Gabby being absolutely superb.
There were a lot of great memories, Everton as many have said.

He'll offer something different now of course, but I think has kept himself in excellent condition. He's not quick but he can cover a number of positions, including full back. He can also delivery a good set piece. I think he's still wily enough if he was played further up field too. No pace anymore but a decent engine still. Think this is more Terry than Pires as far as older signings. We'll get some use out of Ash.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 19, 2021, 08:27:44 PM
I was in Churchill's pub in Little Haiti as was in Miami for the weekend. It was pretty early in the morning so not many in (it's also a kip). When Everton scored the regular expats there were giving me stick so I went for a piss and Young had scored by the time I came back out.
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Post by: LukeJames on June 19, 2021, 11:11:59 PM
That goal at Everton, I turned the TV off in anger when Lescott scored. Well over 30 minutes before I knew we'd won.
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Post by: Mellin on June 19, 2021, 11:41:56 PM
I was in the Fordrough (now closed due to unfortunate circumstances, which have recently become more so). Went outside for a cig in a strop and ran back in once hearing uproar.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on June 20, 2021, 10:05:29 AM
Was in the Sutton Park in Boldmere, place was bouncing, Sid Cowans was in there too!!
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Post by: Risso on June 20, 2021, 12:11:35 PM
As a winger at his best he was exceptional. Great speed and control, and with the ability to beat a man and score goals. Never shirked the defensive side either. For somebody for the other wide players like Traore and El Ghazi to learn from, he's perfect.
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Post by: jwarry on June 20, 2021, 12:23:26 PM
As a winger at his best he was exceptional. Great speed and control, and with the ability to beat a man and score goals. Never shirked the defensive side either. For somebody for the other wide players like Traore and El Ghazi to learn from, he's perfect.

Cash and Targett can learn too, and we don’t need two full backs on the suns bench, so it’s all a no brainer
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Post by: Axl Rose on June 20, 2021, 12:23:51 PM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.
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Post by: dave shelley on June 20, 2021, 01:03:24 PM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.

H&V at its best.
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Post by: darren woolley on June 20, 2021, 02:27:43 PM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.

Wow that some evening.
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Post by: CT on June 20, 2021, 03:31:22 PM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.

H&V at its best.

Pointless telling a story of that goal after reading that. Unless it’s got coconuts and scooters in it, it’s coming a very poor second to that gem!
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Post by: Bad English on June 20, 2021, 10:06:12 PM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.
Marvellous. A lesson in community policing.

Quote from: Urban Dictionary
coconut (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=coconut)

a sex movement when the girl is riding the dick and she spells out coconut with her hips.
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Post by: Hockley Lion on June 20, 2021, 11:46:39 PM
Ahh. That'll be why the Taiwanese girl at my local supermarket slapped my face when I asked her for a coconut then. Makes sense now.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 20, 2021, 11:55:35 PM
Am I the only one struggling to understand how this sex act would work?
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2021, 12:10:30 AM
Am I the only one struggling to understand how this sex act would work?

Yes, I think you need a trip to Brazil.
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Post by: Pat McMahon on June 21, 2021, 12:17:45 AM
I was in Taiwan and got arrested when he scored the winner against Everton.

Nothing too terrible. Just for being a foreigner making a lot of noise in the apartment building I was living in. Police drove me home on a scooter after 10 minutes of questions at the station, and gave me a coconut. A bizarre evening.

That made me laugh out loud!
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Post by: Axl Rose on June 21, 2021, 05:58:23 AM
Am I the only one struggling to understand how this sex act would work?

Yes, I think you need a trip to Brazil.

Or Japan. Or Taiwan.
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Post by: sid1964 on June 21, 2021, 06:30:16 AM
It will be nice for Ashley to be reunited with old friends - i would imagine Mrs Ridgewell will be looking forward to seeing him

Hope it works out for him on his return but for me I would not have brought him back.
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Post by: Tayls_7 on June 21, 2021, 08:19:28 AM
Am I the only one struggling to understand how this sex act would work?

Yes, I think you need a trip to Brazil.

Or Japan. Or Taiwan.

The Portuguese for coconut is just coco. I'd feel a bit short changed if I didn't get the nut bit but suppose it makes sense.

Let me know if anyone requires the Taiwanese translation.
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Post by: brian green on June 21, 2021, 08:42:24 AM
That story of yours Axi is absolutely surreal.  It would make an epic short play by Alan Bennett.  The police brought me home on a scooter and gave me a coconut is a curtain line of sheer genius.
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Post by: Border villan on June 21, 2021, 05:59:38 PM
Four days since our last signing, come on Villa.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2021, 07:24:57 PM
Ahh. That'll be why the Taiwanese girl at my local supermarket slapped my face when I asked her for a coconut then. Makes sense now.

One for Brazilian Villan: I had my face slapped by a Polish girl who got rather upset when I commented I'd heard she makes a fantastic broche. Very underestimated, beetroot soup.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 16, 2021, 05:05:05 PM
This is the sort of signing that pushes us on.
Great to have one of my all time favourite and most exciting players back!
I look forward to him bringing the leadership , experience and know how as well as the gameship to the ref and opposition
Ash is someone who speaks up both on the field and a big voice in the dress room.
Think he can make a big impression with the squad and what it takes to be a winner.
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Post by: algy on July 16, 2021, 05:44:15 PM
This is the sort of signing that pushes us on.
Great to have one of my all time favourite and most exciting players back!
I look forward to him bringing the leadership , experience and know how as well as the gameship to the ref and opposition
Ash is someone who speaks up both on the field and a big voice in the dress room.
Think he can make a big impression with the squad and what it takes to be a winner.
Good to have you back, Footy
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Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2021, 06:02:13 PM
Yes! Young and Footy back at last.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on July 16, 2021, 06:21:32 PM
Welcome back, footys coming home
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 16, 2021, 07:10:46 PM
And tucked away in a slightly below the radar thread too.  Class.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 11:33:21 AM
Ashley Young taking free kicks in training was a good watch.
Looks like he'll be very involved for us if he's on the pitch.
Wonder if he will sometimes occupy the left wide forward role.
Rolling back the years
I mean he gets up and down the pitch anyway in his full back role but can see some cup match at least where he may play a wide role perhaps?
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 01:22:57 PM
I hope he plays a lot of matches for us this season.
Great delivery and with set pieces coach he can have the payed right movement on end of things .
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 05:13:52 PM
Great to see the Ash Young up in the box and scoring today
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 12, 2021, 07:17:46 PM
I'll be championing Young all season. Important role here.
Will be poetic if he is the one to replace Grealish left side Vs Watford.
For all Grealish attributes he was never the goal scoring or shooting threat Young had or has.
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Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2021, 07:21:47 PM
Did Ashley ever get a chance to put a word in Jack's ear? If so, I'm not sure would it have been "Mate, take the chance to go there and win whatever you can. You can always come back here like I'm doing when you're 35" or more "Mate, I came back here cos no other club is as special as the Villa. Stay - I'll help you win things here". One of them sounds more plausible...
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 12, 2021, 07:28:44 PM
Did Ashley ever get a chance to put a word in Jack's ear? If so, I'm not sure would it have been "Mate, take the chance to go there and win whatever you can. You can always come back here like I'm doing when you're 35" or more "Mate, I came back here cos no other club is as special as the Villa. Stay - I'll help you win things here". One of them sounds more plausible...

From my understanding players don't really bother about others moving on as its nature of the job.
Yeah they would like good or best players around them but they are all realistic and ultimately are concerned on own career, playing time, contract to be that bothered about another player.
Plus gives Ashley bigger status with Grealish out the picture.
The returning hero!
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Post by: UK Redsox on August 13, 2021, 10:39:57 AM
Grauniad interview

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/13/aston-villa-ashley-young-i-think-we-can-definitely-reach-europe-grealish-inter
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Post by: Mister E on August 13, 2021, 10:46:28 AM
I'll be championing Young all season. Important role here.
Will be poetic if he is the one to replace Grealish left side Vs Watford.
For all Grealish attributes he was never the goal scoring or shooting threat Young had or has.
Yaaawn.

Young is -without doubt - a bit of a masterstroke-signing. I just hope his corner-taking and set-pieces have improved because he had a terrible tendency to overhit them frequently.
I could quite easily see him playing #10 or on the left as well as being cover for Targett and Cash.
There is no reason for any comparison with any of our former players because all are unique in different ways.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: brontebilly on August 13, 2021, 10:47:13 AM
A great pro. Could have let his career slide after a series of injuries at Man United. He already had the money and medals. But instead transformed his conditioning and ended up playing wing back for United, England and Inter. Good one for our younger players to be looking up to and still a very useful squad player.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 13, 2021, 10:55:33 AM
Retire and into the u23's as a coach?  Also good to see him back, we'll always have Everton away with Laursen.  Sitting in the Gwladys that night...happy happy day!
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Post by: UK Redsox on August 13, 2021, 11:25:24 AM
Any excuse

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Post by: Nelly on August 13, 2021, 11:46:20 AM
What a game that was. I'll always love those tandem celebrations from Young and Laursen!
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 13, 2021, 12:20:27 PM
Dean Smith BT Sport:
"What Young brings first and foremost is unbelievable experience and professionalism.He's also got versatility, can play a number of different positions, and I think he's impressed everybody at the football club so far with how fit he is. It should be young Ashley rather than Ashley Young. Young is still in the top five in everything he does which has been really pleasing."




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Post by: OCD on August 13, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
I think signing Ashley Young is one of those signings where it makes a lot of sense at the time and then when you see him training/playing, you realise it's actually a much better signing than you realised and he's got a lot more to give than what we may have foreseen for him. I think he's going to be involved a lot.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2021, 03:35:59 PM
The last year or two we have lacked a bit of experience in the dressing room - the sort of thing Petrov used to bring to us, or what the likes of a James Milner would bring.

To that end - and let's not remember, Young won the Italian league and played 30 starts and 15 sub appearances last season.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 13, 2021, 04:03:35 PM
I thought when we got him he could be the signing of the season - for most clubs
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 13, 2021, 09:39:32 PM
Aston Villa’s Ashley Young: ‘I think we can definitely reach Europe’

Source: The Guardian

Ashley Young had dreams when he joined Watford as a 10-year-old but it is fair to say he did not envisage returning to Vicarage Road 26 years later as the only Englishman to have won the league in England and Italy. “I don’t think I would actually have believed that,” says the player who, on Saturday, will kick off his second stint at Aston Villa at the club where his exceptional journey began. But nostalgia will not grip him.

"I don’t think I’m really going to look back at achievements until I retire.
I’m still playing, still fit and I still want to achieve things. I’ve been an ambitious person since I was a kid and that’s just grown and grown. That mentality will never leave me"

That is one of the reasons why he should prove to be a canny signing by Villa, who were quick to lure him on a free in June after he concluded a successful 18-month spell at Internazionale by winning Serie A. Embracing the Italian challenge rather than idling in luxury at Old Trafford was in keeping with Young’s character.....
During Young’s first incarnation as a Villa player the club finished sixth for three seasons in a row under Martin O’Neill before the then-owner, Randy Lerner, lost the will to keep funding progress. Villa fell away while Young, after moving to United in 2011, continued climbing. He won every major domestic competition and the 2017 Europa League during nearly a decade at United before moving to Italy, and his 39 England caps included the run to the 2018 World Cup semi-finals. Now Villa, with renewed ambition under a pair of billionaire owners, Wes Edens and Nassef Sawiris, hope Young will add quality and knowhow to Dean Smith’s budding team.

"I've been around the block I was captain at Manchester United, I know what it takes. If I can help influence the younger players, then I’m willing to give advice. Of course I don’t have all the answers but so far whenever any of the younger guys have asked me anything, I’ve been able to help. But that works both ways: everyone that goes out on to the pitch has to talk. Everyone has to help everyone"
Young is among those who believe the departure of Jack Grealish need not clip Villa’s wings, especially as this summer’s other recruits – Emi Buendía, Leon Bailey and Danny Ings – enrich an already talented squad. “You can’t take anything away from what Jack did – he was fantastic for the club,” he says. “But when players move on, you move on too. I believe the club has done great business in recruiting the players that they have. One player went out but four have come in so far. So the competition in the squad is very good"

"You have to be on your toes 24/7, in every training session and every game. That sort of competition is very healthy and I’ve had it at every club I’ve been at. There is so much potential, qualities in abundance. I’ve got a really good feeling about this season. The owners and the manager have backed the team and now it’s down to the team to go out and produce on the pitch. I think we can definitely reach Europe, which is where a club of this magnitude should be year in, year out"

As for Young’s position, that, as ever, is an open issue. The player is happy about that, because he has never seen versatility as a curse. “I think I’ve played in every position in my career except goalkeeper"

"Obviously I was brought up as a winger or a No 10 and I always wanted to stay there but if you’re asked to play wing-back or whatever, you go out and give your best. I have a good football brain and can play different positions. I went to the World Cup as a wing-back so you can’t think that being versatile hinders your chances. I’ve played at left-back in some of the pre-season friendlies with Villa and then I played as a winger in one [against Salernitana] and I scored. Wherever the manager calls on me to play, I’ll go out there and give my all. There are chances to win things at this club"





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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2021, 02:09:44 PM
Let's go Ashley Young!
Brilliant official news he starts
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Post by: CT on August 14, 2021, 04:22:38 PM
Let's go Ashley Young!
Brilliant official news he starts

I’d imagine if a certain ex player of ours had completely neglected his defensive duties like AY has today, you’d be slaughtering him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2021, 04:43:28 PM
Playing ok at left back this second half . Stopped Sarr from further damage .so hardly fair to say he neglecting defence with anything he's improved us second half ahead of Targett
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Post by: Rigadon on August 14, 2021, 04:53:15 PM
Prefer him at left back to Targett.  I'd start him there when fit.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 14, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
better at left back than in attacking midfield.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: CT on August 14, 2021, 04:53:58 PM
Playing ok at left back this second half . Stopped Sarr from further damage .so hardly fair to say he neglecting defence with anything he's improved us second half ahead of Targett


Did you see the first half? Did you see him anywhere near helping Targett out? We were 2-0 down at half time.
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Post by: Demitri_C on August 14, 2021, 04:56:07 PM
Did really well 2nd half. Diablocal by smith to keep targett there.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2021, 05:07:30 PM
Tell you what is going to happen.

He's going to become the one who inexplicably gets picked week after week and has us asking whether it's in his contract he has to start etc etc.
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Post by: dicedlam on August 14, 2021, 05:16:38 PM
Young is a squad filler not a starter. He should no way of been selected to play in that wingers role. For all the plaudits he has received for his fitness, it still doesn’t alter the fact Dean Smith and the coaching staff thought a 36 year old bloke could be relied upon to to play 90 minutes and to expect him to track back a la Trezeguet. Madness.
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Post by: sickbeggar on August 14, 2021, 05:17:48 PM
Playing him in midfield at that age. Smith has obviously got him confused with Messi
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 22, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
A solid performance by Young Vs Newcastle who deservedly kept his place though started and remained at left back

Youngy is one to have a go at other players and ref far more than Targett and brings that edge as well as quality and experience.
Certainly one to use and rotate position with Targett as MT played all of last season and now has fair competition for his place.

Well played Ash. A nice second debut . Clean sheet. Job done.
Particularly liked way gave words to the diver who tried to gain a penalty first half and then it all kicked off.
Young won't hold back with what he has to say.
Good voice to have on our team.
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Post by: jwarry on August 22, 2021, 06:21:10 PM
Right now Young is the better option as Targett has lost his fitness, strength and confidence again.  The good news this time is that we don’t have to persevere as Ash is a more than able deputy
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Post by: supertom on August 22, 2021, 06:27:42 PM
I don't want to write off Targett after one half. Ash played well at left back (but looked done at 75 minutes) and provides something a little different but he's not going to last 90 minutes every week. Targett is still the main man.

Ash doesn't look great as a winger anymore, understandably, but actually, he played a 10 role in Houlliers season. He's wiley, he was picking out some nice passes. As a potential 10 option every now and again (where pace isn't as much of a prerequisite) I could see him there too.

I don't foresee him starting over 30 games this season. He'll be playing a lot from the bench and that's in no small part why we've got him, as a useful squad option.

He certainly keeps his place for now, but there'll come a run of fixtures where he needs a break.
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Post by: Risso on August 22, 2021, 06:35:27 PM
Young’s doing OK but in a left sided Elmo sort of way. For an ex-winger his crosses annoy me, every one yesterday was sort of wafted in with loads of back spin making them easy to defend.
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Post by: KevinGage on August 22, 2021, 06:56:29 PM
From memory, Targett didn't play so well in the first game out against Sheff U last season. And then had an absolute stinker against Fulham away.  Shortly after that, we played Liverpool at home and he never looked back.

He's a touch player, who needs to play to get sharp and get focused.

Barring injury, suspension or whatever, he shouldn't be dropped for a 36 year old.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2021, 07:00:45 PM
I actually thought yesterday his passing quality was the best on the pitch. But I might have been imagining that.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2021, 07:04:00 PM
^^^ as i suspected, checked whoscored.com, lowest on our team except Ings.
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Post by: London Villan on August 22, 2021, 07:40:07 PM
He was a proper leader though, bought some clever free kicks and not afraid to tell AEG to move more. Useful on and off the pitch.
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Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 22, 2021, 07:46:39 PM
He's still on the naughty step for me. Give him time though.
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Post by: Bad English on August 22, 2021, 09:46:57 PM
not afraid to tell AEG to move...
He's not alone in that respect.
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Post by: Ad@m on August 22, 2021, 11:59:34 PM
He was a proper leader though, bought some clever free kicks and not afraid to tell AEG to move more. Useful on and off the pitch.

I also don't remember him moaning at the ref as much as he seemed to yesterday.  I don't mind it though - I don't want Villa players to be nice and accommodating on the pitch!
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Post by: cdbearsfan on August 23, 2021, 12:04:54 AM
He's spent the past decade at clubs who are used to having every decision go their way.
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Post by: OCD on August 23, 2021, 12:24:07 AM
He was a proper leader though, bought some clever free kicks and not afraid to tell AEG to move more. Useful on and off the pitch.

I also don't remember him moaning at the ref as much as he seemed to yesterday.  I don't mind it though - I don't want Villa players to be nice and accommodating on the pitch!

Someone has to take over that role now that the main protagonist has left.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 23, 2021, 06:43:59 AM
Thought he was poor on the ball, too many times had a chance to cross and passed the ball back - and he is not a left back

Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 23, 2021, 11:03:03 AM
Amazing how we see different things.

I saw a really assured performance from a very good left back.  I'd like to see a bit more ambition from him going foward, but he's working with ElGhazi not Grealish so I can see why either he is more reluctant or his intrustions have been more conservative than Targett last season.

I really like Matt Targett, but we're fortunate to have such a good alternative and for me it's Youngs shirt for the time being.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 23, 2021, 11:11:24 AM
From memory, Targett didn't play so well in the first game out against Sheff U last season. And then had an absolute stinker against Fulham away.  Shortly after that, we played Liverpool at home and he never looked back.

He's a touch player, who needs to play to get sharp and get focused.

Barring injury, suspension or whatever, he shouldn't be dropped for a 36 year old.

Indeed he shouldn't if age is the defining factor.  Young doesn't play like a 36 year old.  He looks as fit as all the rest of them and that's why he's playing.  It's up to Target to get himself fit and back into the team on merit and to stay there. I'm sure he will soon enough.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on August 23, 2021, 06:06:03 PM
Just before El Ghazi took the pen, for some reason You g caught my eye, and he was really geeing up all the other villa players nearby. I thought he had a decent game, but more than anything was another captain on the pitch, which is a real positive. Another leader whether he’s in the first team or not.
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Post by: vilan461 on August 23, 2021, 07:08:22 PM
A solid performance by Young Vs Newcastle who deservedly kept his place though started and remained at left back

Youngy is one to have a go at other players and ref far more than Targett and brings that edge as well as quality and experience.
Certainly one to use and rotate position with Targett as MT played all of last season and now has fair competition for his place.

Well played Ash. A nice second debut . Clean sheet. Job done.
Particularly liked way gave words to the diver who tried to gain a penalty first half and then it all kicked off.
Young won't hold back with what he has to say.
Good voice to have on our team.
Good post ---sums it up imo perfectly--UTV
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 23, 2021, 07:09:08 PM
He's a good left back these days.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2021, 07:43:26 PM
Just before El Ghazi took the pen, for some reason You g caught my eye, and he was really geeing up all the other villa players nearby. I thought he had a decent game, but more than anything was another captain on the pitch, which is a real positive. Another leader whether he’s in the first team or not.

After one of the goals you could see him barking instructions to the huddle of celebrating players.  If my memory serves me right he was also in Southgate’s leadership team whilst at the World Cup.  This sort of personality will be vital now Terry has left.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2021, 02:13:17 PM
Good to see Young keeps his place in 11 as deserves to be in the side and is one of the leaders of the team

Think his experience will help today without Mings and McGinn a player who is vocal like Ash is essential.
Interesting to see where he plays as Targett is back in too
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2021, 12:04:22 AM
Bollocks to that but it's great to have him in the squad when we need him. Top pro, won't let us down, no matter where asked to play. Very intelligent signing.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 23, 2021, 11:48:51 PM
I didn't expect Youngy to miss the penalty Vs Chelsea.
Thought he captained well however he was a couple of times wanting defensively.
I be interested to see reception he gets at Old Trafford on Saturday
Amazing he played in the 2010 League cup final for Villa Vs Man Utd 11 years ago  and there he is Captain of Villa all years later on Wednesday
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 09:30:55 AM
Good to hear he was being serenaded  by the man utd fans yesterday when he was warming up by the touchline.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 26, 2021, 09:37:02 AM
Wonder if he will continue to play past this season.  I’m not so sure
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 09:49:49 AM
Yeah interesting one. I do thing it helps to have experience within the squad . And a winner and top level one at that.
I think where we're going just have him here for this as the experinced head to come in as and when.
That said he's a player who looks after himself so another season isn't out if the realms and think like how Premier league clubs often like an experienced goalkeeper now teams like to have one or two mid 30s outfield player of quality within their squad

Funnily enough in this system I feel Young would do well as one of the wing backs especially in what he can offer in an attacking sense.

36 years now I don't mind at all if he's here next season even if he'll be turning 37 in July .
Next season will be interesting with the World Cup and premier league break so he would be useful to have in the squad .

This is all based and providing he shows his worth for the rest of this season
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Post by: Risso on September 26, 2021, 09:54:15 AM
I don't think he offers anything at all in an attacking sense, and as handy as he is in a utility full back sort of way, when Bailey and Sanson are fit, I can see Young not being in the squad any more. With the four central defenders we have, all of them look comfortable at full back as well, so there'll not be much use for Young really.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 26, 2021, 10:07:09 AM
I don't think he offers anything at all in an attacking sense, and as handy as he is in a utility full back sort of way, when Bailey and Sanson are fit, I can see Young not being in the squad any more. With the four central defenders we have, all of them look comfortable at full back as well, so there'll not be much use for Young really.

Whilst his playing time will decrease I think he will still be important as a kinda coach within the playing group; setting the example with regards to the work ethic and as a sounding board for younger players.  He was selected in Southgate’s management team so he clearly has form for this sort of role.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 26, 2021, 10:21:30 AM
Agree, playing wise he'll struggle to get a kick. But yesterday I noticed the cameras pick him up when he was sat on the benches as Archer was being readied, and he was gesturing to someone on the pitch about something, ending with him tapping the side of his head in a 'think about it' way.

Call me a romantic old fool, but I like to think he's come back for all the right reasons. He felt he had unfinished business, he's a winner, and he wants to help us be more successful than we were in his previous stint. A polar opposite of the class of 2015.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on September 26, 2021, 10:28:15 AM
He's a useful squad player. You need a decent squad to compete. We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season. I'd imagine Young is a good influence on the likes of the Chucky and Ramsey brothers, JPB, Archer and so on, too.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 10:33:26 AM
He's a useful squad player. You need a decent squad to compete. We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season. I'd imagine Young is a good influence on the likes of the Chucky and Ramsey brothers, JPB, Archer and so on, too.

Spot on. And he'll be competitive to be in the team and I think all the players know his value within the squad.
 He's been there seen it and done it
Knows how to get in the refs ear. Knows how to win free kicks . Knows how to play the game. He seeks the advantage and is a winner.
Not only that he has a fondness and some affinity with our club and without Elmo, Taylor, Heaton is the experienced voice in the dressing room, touchline,  pitch that gives a quality feel to the squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 26, 2021, 10:45:14 AM
I think he is exactly the sort of player to bring on to shore things up.
I can not see him starting much unless there is a crisis.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 11:25:45 AM
People need to factor in the period up to and around Christams .
These fixtures even allowing for TV day changes we have a period of games that high chance Ashley Young will be playing minutes and sometimes  starting as will others as we make use of the rest of the squad over the many games

Sat 27 Nov
Tue 30 Nov
Sat 4 Dec
Sat 11 Dec
Tue 14 Dec
Sat 18 Dec
Sun 26 Dec
Tue 28 Dec
Sat 1 Jan
Sat 8th Jan FA Cup 3rd round.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on September 26, 2021, 12:28:10 PM
I love how they save all the midweek games for when it's bastard cold. 🥺
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 26, 2021, 12:30:35 PM
People need to factor in the period up to and around Christams .
These fixtures even allowing for TV day changes we have a period of games that high chance Ashley Young will be playing minutes and sometimes  starting as will others as we make use of the rest of the squad over the many games

Sat 27 Nov
Tue 30 Nov
Sat 4 Dec
Sat 11 Dec
Tue 14 Dec
Sat 18 Dec
Sun 26 Dec
Tue 28 Dec
Sat 1 Jan
Sat 8th Jan FA Cup 3rd round.


That give me a migraine from an FPL perspective, let alone managing the real thing.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on September 26, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season.

It's not remotely comparable though. He's a 36 year old on a one year contract, specifically brought in as a short term stop gap. All I'm saying is that we're lucky now that all of our first choice central defenders are good enough to cover the full back spots, especially now we're playing the formation that dare not speak its name!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: PeterWithe on September 26, 2021, 12:33:52 PM
I like him, he rarely gives the ball away which is a great attribute to have when you are protecting a lead
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 26, 2021, 12:37:38 PM
We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season.

It's not remotely comparable though. He's a 36 year old on a one year contract, specifically brought in as a short term stop gap. All I'm saying is that we're lucky now that all of our first choice central defenders are good enough to cover the full back spots, especially now we're playing the formation that dare not speak its name!

Playing said formation, albeit hopefully not for long, seems another reason to keep him. Hause may be perfectly fine as cover for centre half or a conventional left back. But the proponents of 5-3-2 like to tell me that it allows full backs to get forward more. Young is clearly a better option as an attacking full back than Hause.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 26, 2021, 01:32:50 PM
We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season.

It's not remotely comparable though. He's a 36 year old on a one year contract, specifically brought in as a short term stop gap. All I'm saying is that we're lucky now that all of our first choice central defenders are good enough to cover the full back spots, especially now we're playing the formation that dare not speak its name!

Playing said formation, albeit hopefully not for long, seems another reason to keep him. Hause may be perfectly fine as cover for centre half or a conventional left back. But the proponents of 5-3-2 like to tell me that it allows full backs to get forward more. Young is clearly a better option as an attacking full back than Hause.

Not forgetting the wealth of experience he brings to a youngish team
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: four fornicholl on September 26, 2021, 01:39:30 PM
We need to get away from the obsession with trying to get rid of players the second they aren't guaranteed a start. We've seen it before with Hause and El Ghazi, for example, and they've both shown how vital they can be to the cause already this season.

It's not remotely comparable though. He's a 36 year old on a one year contract, specifically brought in as a short term stop gap. All I'm saying is that we're lucky now that all of our first choice central defenders are good enough to cover the full back spots, especially now we're playing the formation that dare not speak its name!

Playing said formation, albeit hopefully not for long, seems another reason to keep him. Hause may be perfectly fine as cover for centre half or a conventional left back. But the proponents of 5-3-2 like to tell me that it allows full backs to get forward more. Young is clearly a better option as an attacking full back than Hause.
Do I sense a slight wavering there CD? ;) ;)
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Post by: cdbearsfan on September 26, 2021, 01:46:07 PM
Never! 😄

I suppose I can put up with it on a short-term, needs must, basis while we have players out or struggling to get up to speed. Long term, though, I want to see us getting the best out of Buendia and Bailey and scaring fuck out of the opposition. I don't see how they fit in with the current formation.

I suppose it doesn't hurt to have players confident in using more than one system and, if we are defending a lead, I can live with reverting to three centre halves now that the four competitors for CB spots have shown themselves proficient at it. When we've tried it in previous seasons, I've felt that they get in each other's way and we look more likely to concede but they seem much improved of late.

That's as close as you'll get to me softening my stance...
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 26, 2021, 03:37:53 PM
Citeh nullified Chelsea playing the same system and it was the same Italy England. At the moment teams are not sure which system we will play. But like CD I am not a believer in it long term.
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Post by: Risso on September 26, 2021, 03:40:24 PM
Same here. I think it would make sense to use the same team/formation for Spurs away but I'd be a bit disappointed if we lined up at Wolves at home the same.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 26, 2021, 03:43:34 PM
I’d like to think we have arrived or are close to arriving at a point we don’t need to have one formation/system. We have really good players who can adapt to playing in a number of ways and will all work hard when given the opportunity. The one thing that is noticeable now is just how fast we close down and try to win the ball back. And not just one on one closing down, but in clusters that move as the ball moves so players aren’t left exposed.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 26, 2021, 04:23:55 PM
Bit of an odd bump. He's already started twice this season (although we obviously don't want to see him grace central midfield again).

He'll surely come in if Targett gets a knock as I don't really see the point of shifting Mings or Hause there and they certainly can't do it if it's a 3-5-2. That would suit Young more than the flat back 4 we played.

He'll come in for the odd game over xmas I'd imagine and play first few rounds of the cup if we draw non prem teams plus as said he'll be great behind the scenes and in dressing room.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 26, 2021, 04:32:16 PM
Ashley Young will provide more to the club off the pitch this season than on it. But on it he will never let us down*











*erm…obviously aside from penalty shootouts
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: DrGonzo on September 26, 2021, 05:32:22 PM
Do you think he has ambitions to go into management?  He'd do a lot worse than to have a few seasons a la Terry.  The youngsters would no doubt be happy to see another old boy in the set up, especially one with the experience that Young has.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on September 26, 2021, 06:47:53 PM
Do we need any more coaches though? We seem to have more people in a track suit around the dug out than any other football team I've ever seen!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 26, 2021, 07:04:55 PM
Have you seen how difficult it is to get a ticket?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: DrGonzo on September 27, 2021, 10:36:05 AM
Yank Soccer is one of the most technical team sports in the world, made up of teams within a team.  It has to work on an individual, group and team level for the whole to function, to a much greater degree than is true in football.  If your right back is out of position the midfielder nearest can slot in and the responsibilty is shifted along the line.  If your safety misses his cover the quaterback hits the pass and a touchdown is on. 

The level of coaching is so much higher than we have in football, we are talking about having a set piece coach as a new thing.  We are miles behind in terms of the level of technical coaching that exist elsewhere.  I'd be quite happy to see us develop this side of the game.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 27, 2021, 10:56:25 AM
The same with all elite sport, once you get to the very top you're looking for miniscule things to give you an advantage. I don't think you can have too many specialist coaches.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: algy on September 27, 2021, 11:32:08 AM
Yank Soccer is one of the most technical team sports in the world, made up of teams within a team.  It has to work on an individual, group and team level for the whole to function, to a much greater degree than is true in football.  If your right back is out of position the midfielder nearest can slot in and the responsibilty is shifted along the line.  If your safety misses his cover the quaterback hits the pass and a touchdown is on. 

The level of coaching is so much higher than we have in football, we are talking about having a set piece coach as a new thing.  We are miles behind in terms of the level of technical coaching that exist elsewhere.  I'd be quite happy to see us develop this side of the game.
Yeah.  It does strike me that if you're paying £30m+ for a player, plus the wages that go along with that - why wouldn't you also spuend a lot of coaching that player to protect/improve that investment? 
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 27, 2021, 01:41:44 PM
I’d undoubtedly have him as first choice in place of Targett or Cash should they get injured, suspended or need a break. He’ll get a reasonable amount of game time this season for sure.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: BC Villain on October 16, 2021, 09:32:33 PM
Doing little to disprove the old saying of "never go back"
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Legion on October 16, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
What exactly does he offer us? A great player in his day but a liability at this level now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 16, 2021, 09:42:58 PM
Agreed BC. I too was sceptical at the time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 22, 2021, 09:36:28 AM
Some may not rate him anymore I still do.
 I would look to start if not give him minutes vs Arsenal as that extra experience and quality vs Pepe will be needed and the fact that Young is far better in my minds eye at getting forward and attacking play than Targett
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Drummond on October 22, 2021, 09:56:03 AM
Some may not rate him anymore I still do.
 I would look to start if not give him minutes vs Arsenal as that extra experience and quality vs Pepe will be needed and the fact that Young is far better in my minds eye at getting forward and attacking play than Targett

No. Not at all.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 22, 2021, 10:06:51 AM
Some may not rate him anymore I still do.
 I would look to start if not give him minutes vs Arsenal as that extra experience and quality vs Pepe will be needed and the fact that Young is far better in my minds eye at getting forward and attacking play than Targett

No. Not at all.

Yes at all
The most recent example is last season stars.  Also Watford first match of the season the difference in quality as wing back defending vs Sarr

And then last season.

Young
26 appears
Goals 1
Assists 4
Played champions league

Targett
38 appears
Zero Goals
Assists 2
Didn't play champions league

Case closed
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ads on October 22, 2021, 11:14:36 AM
No chance would I be start Young over Targett at left back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: AV82EC on October 22, 2021, 11:16:08 AM
Targett every time for me. Young is an able back up as a sub or for injuries.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: algy on October 22, 2021, 11:27:34 AM
Targett every time for me. Young is an able back up as a sub or for injuries.
I think that's the point, though, isn't it?  Our options at left back in the summer were:

1. Have Targett and no back up
2. Get in Ashley Young as back up
3. Use a completely untested youngster as backup
4. Give Neil Taylor another 12 month contract
5. Buy a different backup leftback

To me, 1 and 4 weren't options at all.

3 might've been an option, but if those players are (at best) playing League 1 football on loan, I'm not sure they're ready for an extended run of games in the Premier League yet. 

So, you're really down to Ashley Young or *somebody else*, who's willing to move to us as a backup left back.  Bearing in mind that, at the time, we were fairly confident of keeping Joe Quisling (on a new, bigger contract).  I guess you could make a case that we could've gone for a promising youngster at another club who'd been out on loan, but they'd have cost an arm & a leg if they were likely to be any good.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 22, 2021, 11:46:20 AM
If Young is the answer I’d hate to know what the question was.
He shouldn’t have even been considered for a return to VP. Now that he’s here he should be nowhere near a starting position. As for being subbed on I have my concerns (see wolves at home).
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2021, 06:03:42 PM
We got three clean sheets in the last three meetings without him. We were two-nil up last week when he came on and lost three-two. I can't remember a single bit of "defending" he did to help prevent said collapse, and the only attacking contribution I can recall thus far is his penalty miss at Chelsea.

I'm hopeful that he'll prove a useful squad player as the season goes on, but he's done about as much to deserve a start tonight as I have.

Targett has been generally excellent for about the last eighteen months and I'd be under no rush to throw him under the bus.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2021, 06:08:46 PM

Yes at all
The most recent example is last season stars.  Also Watford first match of the season the difference in quality as wing back defending vs Sarr

And then last season.

Young
26 appears
Goals 1
Assists 4
Played champions league

Targett
38 appears
Zero Goals
Assists 2
Didn't play champions league

Case closed

You're mental. By that definition, Tuanzebe is better than Konsa because he played Champions League last year and Ezri didn't. Here's the thing though, he isn't.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 22, 2021, 06:27:43 PM
To be blunt, Young is way off being adequate for this league now, past it in other words, and I can no more understand why he was brought back than I can understand why Tuanzebe was brought back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 05:22:32 PM
Great to see Ash come on and he's started to settle down as the half wore on and was close to creating a goal if not for a clearance by Rice
Need that experience in the team without Mings
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: aj2k77 on October 31, 2021, 06:14:04 PM
Finished.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2021, 06:31:53 PM
Great to see Ash come on and he's started to settle down as the half wore on and was close to creating a goal if not for a clearance by Rice
Need that experience in the team without Mings

I think you're on your own, mate. He should be nowhere near the team at present.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 07:16:53 PM
Well I have to revise that statement I made as he was particularly poor.
Should have closed down Rice for his goal
And for the last didn't have the pace or effort to get back to close down Fornals because he slowed down after Martinez made a save and didn't rest quick enough.
It's fractions but Young today especially in defence looked shirt of the mark and pains me to say it.
Would have been more akin to him being subbed rather than Buendia.
He does have the experience of course but is seemingly a bit slow to react to things.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on October 31, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
Well I have to revise that statement I made as he was particularly poor.
Should have closed down Rice for his goal
And for the last didn't have the pace or effort to get back to close down Fornals because he slowed down after Martinez made a save and didn't rest quick enough.
It's fractions but Young today especially in defence looked shirt of the mark and pains me to say it.
Would have been more akin to him being subbed rather than Buendia.
He does have the experience of course but is seemingly a bit slow to react to things.

The biggest thing is that, even if he was 28 and at the height of his ability he still wasn't a central midfielder and still would've struggled against a very strong pairing in Rice and Soucek.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 31, 2021, 07:32:09 PM
Could understand the intention of the signing when we did it but just looks a mistake now.

We saw after Brentford he shouldn't be playing central midfield at all. Was bad enough him on at left wing on opening day.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 07:33:30 PM
Wing back or a sub for last 10 minutes of matches.
Has to pay an Elmo role now
Back up to the full backs
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: villadelph on October 31, 2021, 07:36:00 PM
Can’t take out any anger on Ash. Not tracking Fornals on the rebound was tough but it’s not his fault he was thrust into a position that didn’t suit him or the team today.

You can’t expect a butcher to make a decent wedding cake.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 31, 2021, 07:38:49 PM
Young has never ever been a central midfield player.  He is wide left or wing back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 31, 2021, 07:42:50 PM
A player who has played on the flanks for over 15 years suddenly asked to play the most demanding role, in the middle of the park at his age is poor management by Smith.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Grande Pablo on October 31, 2021, 07:58:29 PM
Keeping Elmo for another year would have been more effective.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 08:01:31 PM
Young was really poor but he is a bloody left back! Why play him in midfield?? He doesnt play there anymore. Does he still think this waa ash from 10 years ago??

Thats smiths fault not youngs
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2021, 08:03:05 PM
Piss poor, but a crap lily-livered decision to bring him on.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: brontebilly on October 31, 2021, 08:06:37 PM
Options were limited....but bringing in Young into a midfield three was a terrible decision.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: paul_e on October 31, 2021, 08:32:45 PM
Piss poor, but a crap lily-livered decision to bring him on.

He was clearly scared to bring one of the youngsters in so early but even allowing for that it was a poor decision.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2021, 08:48:46 PM
Keeping Elmo for another year would have been more effective.
Maybe we'll bring in Luke Young for that one.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 31, 2021, 08:50:56 PM
Poor re-signing. Knew it at the time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Legion on October 31, 2021, 09:31:57 PM
Said the same.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Ads on October 31, 2021, 09:34:10 PM
A stunning decision to bring him on and him giving the ball away by passing backwards when 25 yards from their goal, lead to the sending off.

Diabolical game management.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2021, 09:52:52 PM
I never, ever want to see him in a Villa shirt again. Appalling.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: sid1964 on November 01, 2021, 06:33:35 AM
He could not run in the 2nd half he was knackered - and he is a professional athlete!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: rob_bridge on November 01, 2021, 08:23:20 AM
Didnt have a problem if he was brought in for full back / wingback cover. His midfield days are way behind him. Each time he has played there we haven't
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2021, 08:55:47 AM
Wing back or a sub for last 10 minutes of matches.
Has to pay an Elmo role now
Back up to the full backs

Well I'm glad you've changed your mind from last week.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 01, 2021, 09:13:08 AM
Always likely to look okay in Italy where the game is much slower in tempo.  Hopelessly exposed in this league and is a last ten minute calming substitute at best.  At full back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2021, 09:40:45 AM
Always likely to look okay in Italy where the game is much slower in tempo.  Hopelessly exposed in this league and is a last ten minute calming substitute at best.  At full back.

Yep exactly.

I have to say I was gobsmacked when he came on to replace Ramsey.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 10:02:06 AM
I never, ever want to see him in a Villa shirt again. Appalling.

Was smith playing in a position he doesnt play anymore.  Youngs a left back but only snith would give him a go in central midfield. Clueless manager
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2021, 10:04:50 AM
He was shit in the middle when he was 25, let alone now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: BC Villain on November 20, 2021, 04:45:54 PM
He was shit in the middle when he was 25, let alone now.

Made a big difference today
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 20, 2021, 04:50:08 PM
Brilliant today. Changed the game
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Monty on November 20, 2021, 04:55:54 PM
Er, wow, he was tremendous today. In midfield no less. Funny old world.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 20, 2021, 04:58:05 PM
Great impact today.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Steve67 on November 20, 2021, 05:03:06 PM
Lovely pass for the Watkins goal and a brave and terrific block late on when he got kicked.   
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 20, 2021, 05:05:13 PM
A real quality performance today.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: jwarry on November 20, 2021, 05:18:46 PM
I can see him becoming SG’s first Lieutenant
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: brontebilly on November 20, 2021, 05:22:18 PM
Must say I was dreading it when he came on. Especially when he was moved into CM when AEG came on...but he changed the game.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Mellin on November 20, 2021, 05:43:58 PM
There’s our Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on November 20, 2021, 05:47:53 PM
I’d been wondering why we resigned Ash? And there it was. Class is permanent.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rigadon on November 20, 2021, 05:50:08 PM
His quality was really evident and was reminiscent of the vintage Young for the first goal. Also noted that when we were celebrating both goals he was telling everyone in the huddle to keep their heads screwed on.  Class and experience - exactly why he was bought in. 
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 20, 2021, 06:42:42 PM
For me he still a left back but i dont think we can start him cm only to come in late on as a sub. He was good when Brighton started to tire
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Drummond on November 20, 2021, 06:44:30 PM
Similar to Milner, let's just hope he stays in form consistently.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: richtheholtender on November 20, 2021, 06:47:46 PM
Superb today
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Moonraker on November 20, 2021, 06:50:06 PM
Hasnt got the pace to be left bck any more, keep him where he is so he can use his brain.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 20, 2021, 06:58:42 PM
Added a real touch of class today.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 20, 2021, 07:06:53 PM
His quality was really evident and was reminiscent of the vintage Young for the first goal. Also noted that when we were celebrating both goals he was telling everyone in the huddle to keep their heads screwed on.  Class and experience - exactly why he was bought in. 

Gerrard just said something similar about Ashley being almost an extension of the coaching staff.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 20, 2021, 07:39:52 PM
Young really did change the game today.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: richtheholtender on November 20, 2021, 07:40:49 PM
Excellent today
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: olaftab on November 20, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
I honestly thought it was a dfensive subsitution to help Targett to ensure we don't lose the game. But Potter gave it to us by taking Lamptey off and Ash crucified them.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: martin o`who?? on November 20, 2021, 07:58:45 PM
My mantra since he came back has been "why" but he made the difference this afternoon - I put plenty of salt on my words when I ate them.....
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 20, 2021, 08:16:32 PM
Still no idea as to why we signed him. Ok today but even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 20, 2021, 08:20:03 PM
I don’t think he was doing anything until AEG came on and he dropped into midfield, then the dribble that set up Watkins was excellent.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 16, 2022, 09:40:48 PM
Our very own Ashley Young is involved in the radio 5 programme this evening Inter vs Liverpool.
He'll be talking again once the match has finished.
He's great to listen to, talks so well and we should hear more Villa and from 10pm to 1030pm. Young is a future coach or pundit!
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: eamonn on February 17, 2022, 09:41:09 AM
Did he say anything interesting?
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 17, 2022, 07:56:59 PM
There was some chat about Milner and he said he was privileged to have played with him at Villa and England and that he himself watches his diet and has learnt as he like Milner gets older how to look after himself as well as learning from older pros throughout his career about how to listen and understand your body and what works for you
He intimated he passing that advice on himself but also didn't get the impression there was nothing more than healthy respect between Milner and Young like certainly didn't  say he was a great mate or even a mate
 Just pros that played together. (Didn't say that just one can tell)

Though they are very different they both have forged a career of high calibre and when asked how you and Milner able to still go on Youngy talked about how he has done all the right things on his training and diet to maintain and continue at high standard.
Said incredible of Milner to make 800 appearances and all that cliche that's testament to him stuff.

Rest of the stuff was all about Liverpool strong squad and a couple of Inter players Alexis and Barrella who he commented on

He didn't mention Villa at anytime was talked to like he was retired rather than a curent Premier league.
Oh when the assists and creativity of the Liverpool full backs was discussed I did think he may mention  oh that's what we're doing with Gerrard but no he was talking Liverpool in the main.


Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: eamonn on February 18, 2022, 01:58:11 AM
Cheers. Strange/rude to have him on and not have a bit of Villa chat considering that's who he plays for.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 26, 2022, 06:40:54 PM
Good to see Young in a solid state today and came on and did his bit. That's exactly the kind of performance want from Ash Young to see through the clean sheet and the 3 points. SG clearly has him as a go to and very much involved however maybe now it's best he's used in the Elmo capacity of the 10 minutes of matches
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
Great to see Young offered a new contract.
He's been part of our wins this season so clearly his experience has told as Opta statistics show the top three players by win percentage in each team in the Premier League and the interesting stat has Young at the top for Villa.
Has the highest victory percentage when he's on the pitch and in the team our win percentage is 43%. Thats higher than any other player.

McGinn and Ings are the other to form the top 3 both over 40%.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2022, 11:07:56 AM
Well I still blame him for the Watford defeat at VP. He lost his man and didn't have the height to make-up for it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Dave P on May 13, 2022, 11:20:11 AM
Well I still blame him for the Watford defeat at VP. He lost his man and didn't have the height to make-up for it.

He had an even bigger role in the Wolves away defeat.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Dave P on May 13, 2022, 11:20:38 AM
Well I still blame him for the Watford defeat at VP. He lost his man and didn't have the height to make-up for it.

He had an even bigger role in the Wolves away defeat.

But overall, I'd be happy for him to sign an extension.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 11:32:05 AM
Well I still blame him for the Watford defeat at VP. He lost his man and didn't have the height to make-up for it.

He had an even bigger role in the Wolves away defeat.
Yet has the highest win percentage
He has been off it at times but then seems to redeem himself.
It's the off pitch and in training as well as competitive winning spirit he brings
Certainly can do a 10 min role in a 5 substitution format but keeping him on I think very much part of the bringing up the mindset of the squad. One more season as a squad member and maybe a coaching role if he wants that route
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 13, 2022, 12:12:52 PM
Well I still blame him for the Watford defeat at VP. He lost his man and didn't have the height to make-up for it.

He had an even bigger role in the Wolves away defeat.

But overall, I'd be happy for him to sign an extension.

Me too, good to have him around.
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 22, 2022, 03:01:18 PM
Needs to be involved for his antics and to frustrate say we are 1-0 up or drawing with little time to go bring him in
Title: Re: Ashley Young - welcome home.
Post by: Legion on June 15, 2022, 08:14:58 PM
Released on 10th June and I've only just found out.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Released 10.6.22)
Post by: Risso on June 15, 2022, 08:24:57 PM
Released on 10th June and I've only just found out.

Apparently the Premier League just issue a statement saying who's out of contract. It doesnt mean he's left Villa yet.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Released 10.6.22)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 15, 2022, 08:33:25 PM
Pretty sure someone said he's got an offer from us on the table. If it's thought by those more in the know than me that he's worth keeping, then fair enough. He's certainly not been the worst we've had this season, he's produced one or two bits of magic.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Released 10.6.22)
Post by: Legion on June 15, 2022, 08:36:37 PM
Ah. Sorry. Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Released 10.6.22)
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 15, 2022, 08:45:00 PM
meant to be signing a 1 year deal. Can't really see the point.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Flin5tone on June 15, 2022, 08:57:09 PM
I think keeping El Ghazi, Trezeguet would be more ideal. Great for cup outings and El Ghazi was always absolutely fantastic from the bench with some crucial goals for the Club. Great Professional
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Released 10.6.22)
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 15, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
meant to be signing a 1 year deal. Can't really see the point.
two games I seen he was running back from the opposition's goal area and he was blowing out of his arse,both times led to goals
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Dogtanian on June 15, 2022, 09:39:25 PM
To be fair to him, I thought he was our best player at Leicester away and I believe Gerrard sees him as part of the leadership team due to his experience. I think he will play less games if he signs and it may be the start of a transition into coaching if that‘s the way he wants to go.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 24, 2022, 01:43:46 PM
Talks progressing well.
After the holidays he be one of us again and there has been some indication as future coaching role in academy development.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: London Villan on June 24, 2022, 02:16:41 PM
With a couple of exceptions he has mostly looked slow and past it when he has started games and not much better as a sub!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Legion on June 24, 2022, 02:18:30 PM
With a couple of exceptions he has mostly looked slow and past it when he has started games and not much better as a sub!

Agreed. Wouldn't mind seeing him as an academy coach, though.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: LukeJames on June 24, 2022, 02:25:19 PM
I lost all interest in seeing him in a villa shirt again after Wolves away, the so called experienced head bickering his way through injury time and slowing the game down perfectly for them when we should have been busting a gut to get the ball back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: TonyD on June 24, 2022, 02:42:03 PM
He was mostly rubbish. 
Don’t see him as coach at all. 
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2022, 04:06:13 PM
Looks like it’s ‘everyone turn on Ashley Young day’!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Drummond on June 24, 2022, 04:53:36 PM
He's Ok as a sub. Had some great games and some poor ones. Has the sort of winning mentality that we need.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: danno on June 24, 2022, 05:39:39 PM
I thought his foul on Son at 4-0, prevented us shipping 6/7. It told Spurs to settle for four or get kicked off the pitch. Added bonus it upset the Sky commentator something fierce.

But other than that, Im struggling to remember much about his season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 24, 2022, 06:11:15 PM
I think as long as he’s general cover for a various positions, as opposed to being second choice left back I’m fine.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 25, 2022, 01:46:50 AM
He was mostly rubbish. 
Don’t see him as coach at all.

How do we have any idea about his suitability towards a coaching role? If anything he has seemed quite vocal on the bench, does that mean anything? Fuck knows.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 25, 2022, 08:49:46 AM
He was mostly rubbish. 
Don’t see him as coach at all.

How do we have any idea about his suitability towards a coaching role? If anything he has seemed quite vocal on the bench, does that mean anything? Fuck knows.

He was always part of the leadership team when with England so suggests he has something about him.

I’d give him an extra year, I don’t think anyone decent will want to join as a reserve. 
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Rigadon on June 25, 2022, 08:55:37 AM
If they are trying to sign another left back, they are probably waiting to see what happens before offering Young something.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Risso on June 25, 2022, 09:12:37 AM
He'll be 37 by the time the season kicks off. I hope our squad is in a better place than needing him next season. He mostly wasn't very good.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: algy on June 25, 2022, 03:19:29 PM
He'll be 37 by the time the season kicks off. I hope our squad is in a better place than needing him next season. He mostly wasn't very good.
I agree. He was a shrewd bit of business last summer, providing cover for a few positions at no financial outlay (bar wages). Only ever a short term fix, though, and we're rapidly approaching the end of term & summer holidays.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 25, 2022, 03:28:09 PM
if we need Ashley Young next season then we've had a poor transfer window.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2022, 02:12:01 AM
He's so puny and bully-able. Without his pace, he's got little to offer. Loved him in his first spell, and I'm a sucker for nostalgia but I'm sorry...I want him gone.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2022, 04:08:27 AM
if we need Ashley Young next season then we've had a poor transfer window.

Ashley Young being at the club or not in August will in no way have any bearing whatsoever on the level of success of our transfer window.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: algy on June 26, 2022, 06:56:33 AM
if we need Ashley Young next season then we've had a poor transfer window.

Ashley Young being at the club or not in August will in no way have any bearing whatsoever on the level of success of our transfer window.
Not sure I agree. A 36 year old player is never going to be anything other than a stopgap. There's nothing wrong with that - you can't fix every problem at once, and we did IMO the right thing by bringing him in last summer.

However, having identifed the problem we now need to sort it out. There's been a strong consensus that we need a more combative midfielder, a role to be filled by Kamara. It's also been reasonably widely accepted that a central defender who can also play left back would be nice (Bassey, this Italian fellow). Those are the two positions Young has been covering - left back and an option in midfield.

Personally I'd rather have an actual coach on the coaching staff, not a former player with no experience of that.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Demitri_C on July 04, 2022, 09:50:58 AM
Signing a new contract according to percy
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2022, 09:57:06 AM
I'd rather the club spent money on our Percy having a regular match-day column in the programme.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: chrisw1 on July 04, 2022, 10:11:16 AM
I'm perfectly happy to have Young in and around the squad. He played a useful roll last season and had some very decent games when called upon.

I don't think getting an understudy for Digne is as easy as it sounds.  Why would an ambitious quality player join us to compete with (but in reality be understudy to) a Fench international and one of our record signings?
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: bilsim on July 04, 2022, 10:22:05 AM
New one year deal
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Demitri_C on July 04, 2022, 10:23:58 AM
Im ok with this. I think offer him a role in the coaching setup would add value
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Drummond on July 04, 2022, 10:35:24 AM
ITTVABH
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Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 04, 2022, 10:38:26 AM
ITTVABH
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Ask him what the quality of the top is like
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 04, 2022, 10:42:00 AM
ITTVABH
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Not great on sleeves


Ask him what the quality of the top is like
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 04, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
Im ok with this. I think offer him a role in the coaching setup would add value

Same here, I don't think signing (or not signing) Ashley Young is going to make our break our season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on July 04, 2022, 10:44:48 AM
It's a bit of an easy one I guess, I just hope we don't get to see very much of him this season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 04, 2022, 10:47:45 AM
Meh for me.
Didn't want him last season and saw little to cnvince me he'll be any better in the coming season. Why wouldn't he sign an extension though? No better offers were out there.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2022, 10:48:31 AM
I am alright with it. I imagine as an old head, he adds something on the training pitch.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2022, 10:50:26 AM
ITTVABH
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Ask him what the quality of the top is like

He's just happy he's secured his new contract to enable him to afford one for home.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Out of contract 10.6.22)
Post by: algy on July 04, 2022, 10:53:50 AM
I'm perfectly happy to have Young in and around the squad. He played a useful roll last season and had some very decent games when called upon.
A bread & butter signing IMO.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2022, 11:09:44 AM
I am alright with it. I imagine as an old head, he adds something on the training pitch.

The fact Carney singles him out in that interview suggests you're right.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Des Little on July 04, 2022, 11:11:03 AM
He’ll feature in a batch of games I’m sure
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2022, 11:12:01 AM
He’ll feature in a batch of games I’m sure

If he doesn't he'll have a cob on.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: sid1964 on July 04, 2022, 11:13:39 AM
Obviously no other club offered him the 2 year deal that he wanted.



Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2022, 11:41:01 AM
I am alright with it. I imagine as an old head, he adds something on the training pitch.

Just watch the video on the chukwuemeka thread, if a lot of the kids we have high hopes for see him as a role model (as the chuk and scarlett video suggests) then I'm happy with keeping him around as cover for Digne. If it means we move him into a coaching role over the season then all the better. Regardless of what people may think of some of his career he's been playing top flight football regularly for 16 years and has stayed fit and reinvented himself to achieve that, his attitude is absolutely top notch.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2022, 12:44:29 PM
Obviously no other club offered him the 2 year deal that he wanted.





Where was it reported that he wanted a 2 year deal?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: sid1964 on July 04, 2022, 12:55:15 PM
He waited as long as he did waiting for a club to offer him a 2 year deal (if it is not the truth why did he not sign the 1 year deal offered by us in April / May?)
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2022, 01:05:16 PM
He wasn't due back in training until today, his old contract ran until Thursday, there's plenty of reasons why he might have held off but whatever the truth is it's had absolutely no impact on him or the club so who cares?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Flin5tone on July 04, 2022, 01:07:46 PM
Well that's the £200+ increase on zone 6 seats justified

Exciting times
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2022, 01:08:45 PM
Of fuck off
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2022, 01:10:22 PM
Wilma is bored.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2022, 01:11:45 PM
He waited as long as he did waiting for a club to offer him a 2 year deal (if it is not the truth why did he not sign the 1 year deal offered by us in April / May?)

You still haven't said where that story come from so I presume you've made it up.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: chrisw1 on July 04, 2022, 01:17:29 PM
Well that's the £200+ increase on zone 6 seats justified

Exciting times
Hi Flin, I wondered if you had noticed that we've signed Coutinho, Carlos and Kamara in this window, all three very highly regarded players?

Young adds depth to the squad and made a significant contribution last season on and off the field.

You'll also be pleased to know our cheapest season tickets are still the 10th cheapest in the PL, with clubs like Wolves, Bournemoth and Brighton all charging more - so still great value in the context of PL football.

Hope all this helps and that you have a great week.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2022, 01:20:17 PM
Chris, you're a better man than me
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: chrisw1 on July 04, 2022, 01:21:37 PM
Chris, you're a better man than me
I'm trying Lee!  Seeing if sensible discussion helps.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on July 04, 2022, 01:23:32 PM
I don't think bots do sensible discussion.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2022, 01:29:08 PM
I don't think bots do sensible discussion.

He's now going to bang on about updated season ticket sales it seems. He's posted about it twice already today.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2022, 01:31:38 PM
As for Ash, he did ok at left back last season when called upon. It was just when he was needlessly put into midfield that he looked past it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on July 04, 2022, 01:37:14 PM
As for Ash, he did ok at left back last season when called upon. It was just when he was needlessly put into midfield that he looked past it.

That was one of the things I think Gerrard got wrong, bringing him on in midfield especially when we were winning.  But that aside, he's clearly a good bloke to have around the place and I think Gerrard sees him as a link between himself and the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2022, 01:49:55 PM
As for Ash, he did ok at left back last season when called upon. It was just when he was needlessly put into midfield that he looked past it.

That was one of the things I think Gerrard got wrong, bringing him on in midfield especially when we were winning.  But that aside, he's clearly a good bloke to have around the place and I think Gerrard sees him as a link between himself and the rest of the team.

Agreed. I think a part of it was just having faith in the kids on the bench to see out games. It changed a little as the season went on. This season he needs to be a LB back up and the leader in the dressing room. I think and I hope we lean more on the likes of Carney, Tim, even JPB (remember him injured at Stoke) vs just throwing on Ashley every game.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Pete3206 on July 04, 2022, 05:18:07 PM
Good experience to have in the squad. Thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: manic-road on July 04, 2022, 06:09:06 PM
Slightly underwhelmed to be honest, then again I don't expect he will get that much game time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: steamer on July 04, 2022, 07:05:03 PM
No problem from me
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on July 04, 2022, 07:21:00 PM
The senior player. Good to have in the dressing room making sure the younger players know what they're doing and have someone to look up to. I believe Gabby had the same role a few years back. Or was that being off his tits in Dubai? *shudder*
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Pete3206 on July 04, 2022, 07:29:27 PM
The senior player. Good to have in the dressing room making sure the younger players know what they're doing and have someone to look up to. I believe Gabby had the same role a few years back. Or was that being off his tits in Dubai? *shudder*

Younger than Ashley and he's been (officially) retired 4 years.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2022, 08:08:18 PM
Welcome back again Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: London Villan on July 04, 2022, 08:16:40 PM
Let’s hope we never see him starting in midfield again.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: nigel on July 04, 2022, 08:24:55 PM
Young Carney will be pleased
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: coreyfeldman on July 04, 2022, 11:48:51 PM
Well that's the £200+ increase on zone 6 seats justified

Exciting times

Pure art. Every single time *chefs kiss*
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2022, 01:35:12 AM
Always felt SG wants to keep Ashley and bring him in to the coaching team. Nothing has changed. My only concern is SG thinks Ashley can play in a more advanced role. He can't. He's at best a cover for Digne. If we bring in another left back I can't see the surpose of giving him an additional year. Expect him to get his coaching badges this season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on July 05, 2022, 01:46:16 AM
Always felt SG wants to keep Ashley and bring him in to the coaching team. Nothing has changed. My only concern is SG thinks Ashley can play in a more advanced role. He can't. He's at best a cover for Digne. If we bring in another left back I can't see the surpose of giving him an additional year. Expect him to get his coaching badges this season.

Good pro to have around the squad, and if, as part of his aspiration to become a coach, he can teach the younger lads to deliver a ball the way he did for us the first time, that's good enough for me.

I think Gerrard recognises footballing class when he sees it, and Young has that class. As long as he doesn't play apart from in an emergency, I'm happy.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2022, 01:48:46 AM
Always felt SG wants to keep Ashley and bring him in to the coaching team. Nothing has changed. My only concern is SG thinks Ashley can play in a more advanced role. He can't. He's at best a cover for Digne. If we bring in another left back I can't see the surpose of giving him an additional year. Expect him to get his coaching badges this season.

Good pro to have around the squad, and if, as part of his aspiration to become a coach, he can teach the younger lads to deliver a ball the way he did for us the first time, that's good enough for me.

You're easily pleased, Rory but then I've seen what you eat. ;)
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on July 05, 2022, 01:55:15 AM
Always felt SG wants to keep Ashley and bring him in to the coaching team. Nothing has changed. My only concern is SG thinks Ashley can play in a more advanced role. He can't. He's at best a cover for Digne. If we bring in another left back I can't see the surpose of giving him an additional year. Expect him to get his coaching badges this season.

Good pro to have around the squad, and if, as part of his aspiration to become a coach, he can teach the younger lads to deliver a ball the way he did for us the first time, that's good enough for me.

You're easily pleased, Rory but then I've seen what you eat. ;)

Fucking hell, within two minutes. How do I recover from that?!

Here's a question for you, Rudy. A season of Ashley as first choice left back, or a month of eating nothing but delicious lentil casserole for dinner every night?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2022, 01:59:12 AM
One of my favourite dishes ever is a lentil casserole; celery, onion, carrot, garlic, rosemary, parsley and top quality Italian sausages. The food of kings. I could eat it every night.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on July 05, 2022, 02:05:02 AM
One of my favourite dishes ever is a lentil casserole; celery, onion, carrot, garlic, rosemary, parsley and top quality Italian sausages. The food of kings. I could eat it every night.

And my favourite is steak and chips: chips 😉

But seriously, I didn't manage to get to a game last year. Even though he's getting on, were there any signs he still had his ability as a crosser of the ball?

Because without the coaching dimension, I don't see much value in keeping him on. My hope is that he still has that instinct, because him & Albrighton are the two best crossers of a ball I've seen since I've been going to VP.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2022, 02:12:25 AM
Because without the coaching dimension, I don't see much value in keeping him on. My hope is that he still has that instinct, because him & Albrighton are the two best crossers of a ball I've seen since I've been going to VP.

You forgot Elmo.

I'll take you back to my earlier post this evening about El Ghazi and Targett; two players shit scared to cross the ball. Where was Ashley? My ' instinct' is he can fill in for a game or two at left back but if we're serious about the cups this season I'd prefer somebody better to push and flawessly replace Digne. That's not Ashley.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on July 05, 2022, 02:19:09 AM
Because without the coaching dimension, I don't see much value in keeping him on. My hope is that he still has that instinct, because him & Albrighton are the two best crossers of a ball I've seen since I've been going to VP.

You forgot Elmo.

I'll take you back to my earlier post this evening about El Ghazi and Targett; two players shit scared to cross the ball. Where was Ashley? My ' instinct' is he can fill in for a game or two at left back but if we're serious about the cups this season I'd prefer somebody better to push and flawessly replace Digne. That's not Ashley.

I liked Elmo a lot, but he didn't have the whip of the other two. Great crosser, very accurate but at a slightly slower speed.

Fair enough. I think one of the best things for us as a club on the up would be to win a cup, ideally the FA (please, God).

Do we think Ashley will be our 2nd choice LB? Or maybe we're just tying him down and will now focus on our targets? There's time left.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 05, 2022, 05:37:37 AM
Seems a no risk keeping him on. He’s happy not to play every game. Good experience. Great shithousery when we need it to see games out. We probably don’t excel at that.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dogtanian on July 05, 2022, 06:56:50 AM
I think he’s seen as a good, professional utility player and trusted head, rather than as a backup left back. I can still see us getting a Digne backup if the right prospect appears.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: algy on July 05, 2022, 07:23:13 AM
I think he’s seen as a good, professional utility player and trusted head, rather than as a backup left back. I can still see us getting a Digne backup if the right prospect appears.
I agree, he's a good pro with good shithousery skills.

Feels like a sensible, low risk move to me. Backup fullbacks are the sort of thing you'd look at when you've got everything else sorted. If we get in to Europe we'll have a much better pool to choose from, and they'll be more likely to actually get a game.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: darren woolley on July 05, 2022, 09:13:25 AM
I'm pleased he's signed up for another season great experience.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on July 05, 2022, 09:17:19 AM
Even though he's getting on, were there any signs he still had his ability as a crosser of the ball?

Because without the coaching dimension, I don't see much value in keeping him on. My hope is that he still has that instinct, because him & Albrighton are the two best crossers of a ball I've seen since I've been going to VP.

No, not really. He was OK as a utility full back at a stretch but I wouldn't be upset if he played no minutes at all this season. His legs have mostly gone and he was embarrassed by Dennis at Watford in the home game as an example. I'd say Elmo when he was here was a much better crosser of the ball than Young managed to be last season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2022, 09:35:17 AM
Because without the coaching dimension, I don't see much value in keeping him on. My hope is that he still has that instinct, because him & Albrighton are the two best crossers of a ball I've seen since I've been going to VP.

You forgot Elmo.

I'll take you back to my earlier post this evening about El Ghazi and Targett; two players shit scared to cross the ball. Where was Ashley? My ' instinct' is he can fill in for a game or two at left back but if we're serious about the cups this season I'd prefer somebody better to push and flawessly replace Digne. That's not Ashley.
We're not in a position where we can attract and retain two left backs of Digne's quality and wont be until we can offer European football.  The likes of Hickey and Bassey won't join us to sit behind our French international fullback.  Young is a decent versatile compromise until we can find the right player - possibly Chrisine who will be 19 at the start of next season and seems to be reasonably highly thought of, but I suspect is in need of a good loan this season.  I am hopeful Kessler and Chrisin will be pushing both our fullbacks hard in 23-24.   

Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on July 05, 2022, 10:42:07 AM
Even though he's getting on, were there any signs he still had his ability as a crosser of the ball?

Because without the coaching dimension, I don't see much value in keeping him on. My hope is that he still has that instinct, because him & Albrighton are the two best crossers of a ball I've seen since I've been going to VP.

No, not really. He was OK as a utility full back at a stretch but I wouldn't be upset if he played no minutes at all this season. His legs have mostly gone and he was embarrassed by Dennis at Watford in the home game as an example. I'd say Elmo when he was here was a much better crosser of the ball than Young managed to be last season.

I agree. Though I'd say there are particular situations where he'd be of use. He has the experience of winning and has the leadership mentality that we can lack at times.

For all we moan about the likes of Man Utd moaning at the referee, we've been far too nice over the years.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dogtanian on July 06, 2022, 07:21:58 AM
I was just looking at the 2021-22 memories thread and was thinking back when I remembered a nice Ashley Young contribution.

His threading a lovely weighted pass between two Brighton players to set Ollie on his way to bang in that first, all-important goal in Gerrard’s first match to break the deadlock in a really tight game. That set us on our way and gave us momentum and our first win in six.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2022, 08:43:40 AM
I was just looking at the 2021-22 memories thread and was thinking back when I remembered a nice Ashley Young contribution.

His threading a lovely weighted pass between two Brighton players to set Ollie on his way to bang in that first, all-important goal in Gerrard’s first match to break the deadlock in a really tight game. That set us on our way and gave us momentum and our first win in six.
I am struggling to think of any other contribution he made.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2022, 01:39:03 PM
I was just looking at the 2021-22 memories thread and was thinking back when I remembered a nice Ashley Young contribution.

His threading a lovely weighted pass between two Brighton players to set Ollie on his way to bang in that first, all-important goal in Gerrard’s first match to break the deadlock in a really tight game. That set us on our way and gave us momentum and our first win in six.
I am struggling to think of any other contribution he made.
The dribble,  shimmy and pass to release Watkins to score the first against Brighton at home - not much else after that
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 06, 2022, 05:20:54 PM
For those who don't understand Ashley Young importance and value to the squad this season.
Steven Gerrard explains it and only echoes my sentiments.

"It was one area of the squad, after analysing it for six months, that we believe we need experience around the squad. We've got a lot of talent emerging, we've got the likes of (Jacob) Ramsey who's grabbed a position in the team and they need people to look up to. They need people who set standards on a daily basis.

We need to have winners in the building who know what it takes to win big football matches, and Ashley ticks all those boxes. He's as fit as he's ever been. We analyse that side of it with all the data and nothing suggests that he's slowing down.

It made sense to give Ashley the chance to stay with us for another year and I'm delighted with his decision."
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 06, 2022, 05:22:49 PM
I hope SG statement helps people understand.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: chrisw1 on July 06, 2022, 05:26:46 PM
There really isn't any downside to this.  I'm not sure why people would get too upset about having experienced versatile cover.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 06, 2022, 05:40:09 PM

Its ever so funny how his name is Young, but he's old!
Also, we don't have many senior pros, so having him in and around the squad like Milner Liverpool squad place makes sense.
There aren't many senior pros like Young or Milner.

Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2022, 05:42:29 PM
I hope SG statement helps people understand.

Christ, up your own arse very much?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 06, 2022, 06:23:28 PM
I hope SG statement helps people understand.

Christ, up your own arse very much?

What have I done right now?
I enjoy explaining things to others in the same way that others have explained things to me when I don't understand them and as I'm not so good at explaining then SG statement echoes what I felt about an experienced pro being here.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: jwarry on July 06, 2022, 06:35:43 PM
I hope SG statement helps people understand.

Christ, up your own arse very much?

What have I done right now?
I enjoy explaining things to others in the same way that others have explained things to me when I don't understand them and as I'm not so good at explaining then SG statement echoes what I felt about an experienced pro being here.

To be fair Footy has a point.  Can’t say I agree with everything he says but he’s right in that SG has explained his decision
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2022, 07:40:04 AM
Do you think that there's a single person who doesn't realise that Young has been kept on for his experience or that they need that explaining?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 07, 2022, 07:56:06 AM
Do you think that there's a single person who doesn't realise that Young has been kept on for his experience or that they need that explaining?

What's  peoples partner , civil or marital status got to do with levels of understanding it?
Come now let's move to the new day.
Up the Villa eh!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on July 07, 2022, 06:53:04 PM
We've been too nice for too long. Dean never questioned any shit decision that went against us. Gerrard does and will. And whilst our players have been booted all over the pitch without ever a card produced, as soon as we even look at an opposing player the ref is only too happy. Ashley might not offer too much attacking or defending intent these days, but to have him snarling into a referees face at the latest farcical decision...give him a day's wage.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: FatSam on July 07, 2022, 07:14:15 PM
Do you think that there's a single person who doesn't realise that Young has been kept on for his experience or that they need that explaining?

What's  peoples partner , civil or marital status got to do with levels of understanding it?
Come now let's move to the new day.
Up the Villa eh!
Like
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 07, 2022, 07:42:31 PM
I hope SG statement helps people understand.

Christ, up your own arse very much?

That's not very nice, is it?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2022, 07:49:41 AM
No, uncalled for. Apologies Footy.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 08, 2022, 01:01:42 PM
No, uncalled for. Apologies Footy.
We move on. Enjoy the sunshine.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on July 10, 2022, 11:19:39 AM
No, uncalled for. Apologies Footy.
We move on. Enjoy the sunshine.

You too Footy, thanks mate. Apologies again.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 10, 2022, 11:41:44 AM
i'm glad he's here for another 12 months.  At least we know what we are getting rather than some of the names being banded about.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: CT Villan on July 10, 2022, 05:13:24 PM
Ashley used to be very 'handy' with webcams, so he does bring that experience to the table too :)
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 27, 2022, 07:20:49 PM
Club captain? The guy shouldn't even be at VP never mind club captain!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 24, 2022, 09:33:37 PM
I thought Ashley Young was fine yesterday. Apart from his one very misguided header that went for a corner.
Well done Ash. Certainly showed some ability with a sumptuous cross or two and had the energy to get up the pitch.
I also feel if he's on the pitch then he should outrank McGinn as Captain.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2022, 10:23:07 PM
Have moaned about him but he did well yesterday.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Ads on August 24, 2022, 10:23:22 PM
He played well yesterday, much like he did at Leicester.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Paul.S on August 25, 2022, 01:32:36 AM
He did everything well and kept it simple. Good positioning and was in the ear of the ref a lot, which seemed to work.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 10:14:41 AM
Whatever type of game he has Young will also be in the refs and refs assistants ears.
The verbals he gives assistant refs just for losing a throw in decision is competitiveness personified.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on August 25, 2022, 11:20:34 AM
Yes, he's a horrible player who doesn't respect the ref or his opponents.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 12:51:14 PM
Yes, he's a horrible player who doesn't respect the ref or his opponents.
Made club captain by SG.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Diablo on August 25, 2022, 01:02:13 PM
Thought he had a really good game on Tuesday but with the caveat that it was against players that are 2 divisions below our normal opposition (although you wouldn't have known that for the first 30 mins).
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mister E on August 25, 2022, 01:19:07 PM
Yes, he's a horrible player who doesn't respect the ref or his opponents.
Made club captain by SG, the same guy who made McGinn team captain  ;D ;D ;D
FTFY
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2022, 01:55:12 PM
I thought he was our best player in the cup. Last December when we got some good early results he was very important too,  mainly through knowing when to play the right pass on the break,  but vital nonetheless.  His leadership skills are miles ahead of the rest of the squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2022, 02:10:37 PM
I thought he was our best player in the cup. Last December when we got some good early results he was very important too,  mainly through knowing when to play the right pass on the break,  but vital nonetheless.  His leadership skills are miles ahead of the rest of the squad.

He's too old and slow to be anything but a very short term stop gap at right back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2022, 02:11:32 PM
Agree completely
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 25, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
I thought he was our best player in the cup. Last December when we got some good early results he was very important too,  mainly through knowing when to play the right pass on the break,  but vital nonetheless.  His leadership skills are miles ahead of the rest of the squad.

He's too old and slow to be anything but a very short term stop gap at right back.

True.

But he still played well on Tuesday so credit whete its due.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 02:34:53 PM
I thought he was our best player in the cup. Last December when we got some good early results he was very important too,  mainly through knowing when to play the right pass on the break,  but vital nonetheless.  His leadership skills are miles ahead of the rest of the squad.

He's too old and slow to be anything but a very short term stop gap at right back.

True.

But he still played well on Tuesday so credit where its due.

Exactly and he flew down the wing past a Bolton player delivered a delicious cross. Showed his pace there.
Feel there's some ageism going on!
Should be judged by his performance and not his age.
Experienced is clearly valued by Gerrard and rightly so.
We're lucky to have someone of Ashley Young calibre for what he's achieved in the game.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2022, 02:35:41 PM
I thought he was our best player in the cup. Last December when we got some good early results he was very important too,  mainly through knowing when to play the right pass on the break,  but vital nonetheless.  His leadership skills are miles ahead of the rest of the squad.

He's too old and slow to be anything but a very short term stop gap at right back.

True.

But he still played well on Tuesday so credit where its due.

Exactly and he flew down the wing past a Bolton player delivered a delicious cross. Showed his pace there.
Feel there's some ageism going on!
Should be judged by his performance and not his age.
Experienced is clearly valued by Gerrard and rightly so.
We're lucky to have someone of Ashley Young calibre for what he's achieved in the game.

Let's get Dwight Yorke back up front then.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 02:42:20 PM
At Aston Villa before he was PFA Young Player of the Year 2008 was Ash.
Won the league after he left us.
After not in favour Man Utd he became captain.
Only at the last world cup Young but been playing World Cup semi finals and for 3rd/4th place
Won the Italian league only couple years ago.

Anyone else in squad got that pedigree?
Should be given lot more respect here at least Gerrard does.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2022, 02:56:19 PM
Philip Coutinho says hello.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 25, 2022, 03:06:03 PM
I was a little surprised that SG picked him on Tuesday to be honest.  He had a decent game but then so would any stand in on our books have a decent game against Bolton and quite fittingly for that match, as far as Villa are concerned, is not Garlic Bread.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 03:10:31 PM
Philip Coutinho says hello.
That's not the point!

I was a little surprised that SG picked him on Tuesday to be honest.  He had a decent game but then so would any stand in on our books have a decent game against Bolton and quite fittingly for that match, as far as Villa are concerned, is not Garlic Bread.

I was more surprises that Augustine, Olsens and Archer didnt feature other than Archers short minutes.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: dcdavecollett on August 27, 2022, 02:10:55 AM
Augustinsson was injured.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 03, 2022, 08:30:36 PM
Thought his fitness levels looked great tonight. Shown leadership & was street wise. Can images he’s a managers dream at this stage of his career.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 03, 2022, 09:59:53 PM
Our best player tonight. Superb performance.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 03, 2022, 10:00:33 PM
Our best player tonight. Superb performance.
yep
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 03, 2022, 10:01:00 PM
Top effort from Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ldavfc4eva on September 03, 2022, 10:02:32 PM
One of the best players we had once he came on, great leadership as always and the tracking back vs De Bruyne was top class
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 03, 2022, 10:03:10 PM
One of the best players we had once he came on, great leadership as always and the tracking back vs De Bruyne was top class

That was excellent work.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 03, 2022, 10:13:01 PM
Well done Ash!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: danno on September 03, 2022, 10:18:29 PM
His mobility surprised me not because of his age, but for still moving that quick whilst carrying Foden around in his pocket!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on September 03, 2022, 10:22:40 PM
I've been against his return since his og at Watford on the opening day of last season (which was prematurely harsh I guess), but didn't see much from him during the following months to convince me otherwise.

By all accounts he was immense this evening (I missed the game, looking forward to seeing MOTD) and as someone who is also sceptical about Matty Cash's abilities, I hope Young gets rewarded for today by staying in the team next week.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on September 03, 2022, 10:24:11 PM
Cash was poor for the short time he was on. Constantly out of position, and not by bombing forward, just by not picking up their wide players down the left. Much more solid when Young came on.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Richard E on September 03, 2022, 10:26:20 PM
He was fantastic today. His experience and nous really came in handy.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 03, 2022, 10:32:44 PM
He was fantastic today. His experience and nous really came in handy.

Definitely, he brought a calm head and no little quality.

Cash has struggled for a while now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Steve67 on September 03, 2022, 10:33:23 PM
Ashley was excellent today, he kept Foden quiet for the whole of the second half.  Communicated well with the other players around him too. Distribution was good too.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: UK Redsox on September 03, 2022, 10:47:11 PM
MOTM for me today.

Outpaced Foden in a one on one sprint
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Ads on September 03, 2022, 11:09:44 PM
Absolutely superb performance.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: achilles on September 03, 2022, 11:58:23 PM
Our best player tonight. Superb performance.
yep

MOM by a country mile - superb performance, rolled back the years!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: achilles on September 04, 2022, 12:02:19 AM
Cash was poor for the short time he was on. Constantly out of position, and not by bombing forward, just by not picking up their wide players down the left. Much more solid when Young came on.

Cash was utterly pathetic to get himself booked as he didn't go off the pitch when he was injured!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Nii Lamptey on September 04, 2022, 12:08:52 PM
Ashley Young was immense yesterday and easily the MotM. Cash has been below standard for a while now, so regardless of his injury, Ashley should keep his place.

I'm just shocked how over the years Young has somehow rebranded himself as a fullback. Not in a million years did I think he had the physique or tough tackling mentality to play that role when he was flying down the wing in his first spell with us during the O'Neill years!

Pretty sure he played there for a while with Utd, but guessing his spell at Inter in Serie A helped cement that transition.

Anyway, well played Ashley son - The game changed when you came on! UTV
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: olaftab on September 04, 2022, 12:19:40 PM
Say what you like but Ash's education under Fergie showed yesterday. Took the team resistance up a few notches with his total professionalism  dressed as shit housing. The boos from city fans spurned him and on. Whilst he won't play regularly he will be our get out of crap card this season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Nii Lamptey on September 04, 2022, 12:24:08 PM
Say what you like but Ash's education under Fergie showed yesterday. Took the team resistance up a few notches with his total professionalism  dressed as shit housing. The boos from city fans spurned him and on. Whilst he won't play regularly he will be our get out of crap card this season.

Pains me to give Fergie credit for anything, but .... Absolutely!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: manic-road on September 04, 2022, 01:20:41 PM
He hadn't been on the pitch long but his chasing down of De Bruyne, tackle and then pass to our midfield was sublime and set the tone for the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 04, 2022, 01:25:07 PM
Well done Ashley Young. I was bemused that we ever chose to bring him back, but yesterday he was terrific.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: danno on September 04, 2022, 03:12:20 PM

Pretty sure he played there for a while with Utd, but guessing his spell at Inter in Serie A helped cement that transition.

Anyway, well played Ashley son - The game changed when you came on! UTV

Think it was Van Gaal who first played him at left back, then Mourinho and Solskjaeer both followed suit.  Southgate played him at left wing back at international level.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 04, 2022, 03:30:49 PM
I never realised he was club captain. Anyway, fantastic performance yesterday from a top professional.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Chris Smith on September 04, 2022, 04:17:55 PM
I never realised he was club captain. Anyway, fantastic performance yesterday from a top professional.

It was, a few weeks ago he was labelled as being past it. I doubt he’s up to playing every game at his age but he’s great option to have.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: colin69 on September 04, 2022, 04:45:40 PM
He was superb and deserves to keep the shirt for now.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 05:05:59 PM
There might not be a decision to be made, as I think Cash could be out for a while.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Richard E on September 04, 2022, 05:11:03 PM
There might not be a decision to be made, as I think Cash could be out for a while.

Yeah, the ‘back soon’ post has been on the official twitter account, which always means ‘no chance he’s back soon.’
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 05:13:07 PM
It's a shame we sent KKH out on loan, as he might be a better bet in terms of going at the opposition, rather than just trying to nullify them like yesterday.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: TheMalandro on September 04, 2022, 05:14:10 PM
I thought he’d get murdered against City. Credit to him.

I wouldn’t want him in the first team for any length of time, however.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: danno on September 04, 2022, 05:16:25 PM
Chambers was a right back for Arsenal wasn't he?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on September 04, 2022, 05:22:39 PM
I imagine Ashley is getting a few rounds of fucks on BlueMoon'arKid or whatever the Citeh forum is. Bless'em.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 04, 2022, 08:18:53 PM
I imagine Ashley is getting a few rounds of fucks on BlueMoon'arKid or whatever the Citeh forum is. Bless'em.

A few over there have praised him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 04, 2022, 08:23:20 PM
And one called him a ‘bird shit eating c**t’

Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: darren woolley on September 04, 2022, 08:59:15 PM
He was brilliant when he came on.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Clampy on September 04, 2022, 09:06:47 PM
He was brilliant when he came on.

He was.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on September 04, 2022, 09:42:14 PM
And one called him a ‘bird shit eating c**t’

Wasn't that clip fake in the end?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 05, 2022, 12:57:30 AM
And one called him a ‘bird shit eating c**t’

Wasn't that clip fake in the end?

Yeah, he has said it never happened.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 05, 2022, 08:28:34 AM
Question his signing back on, but he proved me wrong against City
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: chrisw1 on September 05, 2022, 11:33:46 AM
The thing is he's a born winner.  A backs to the wall battle where he didn't need to get forward much suited him down to the ground and he absolutely stood up to be counted.  He did what he was paid to do yesterday.  I'm not sure about him starting a few games on the bounce though, I'd prefer KKH against more defensive teams.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 05, 2022, 11:36:32 AM
Missed the game as I was working.

Just seen a little 2 min clip on fb of his highlights from Saturday.

Wow. It was like 2010.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 10, 2022, 11:50:03 PM
Superb goal tonight from Youngy versus Forest.Hes a super player.
His first goal for us in 11 years.
What a talent he is. Prompted me to state the fact. And post again.

Young along with Milner are the ultimate premier league professionals
And its good we have a player who sets the standard.
Club captain Young excelling again is great for all Villa followers who can recall his brilliance when he was here previously.
Martin O'Neil once called him "world class."
And class is unchangeable.

Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 10, 2022, 11:56:30 PM
Welcome back, F-V. I know you've always been a big fan of Ashley Young. I was unconvinced about the need to bring him back but he has been excellent when called upon this season and that was a superb goal.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on October 11, 2022, 12:49:51 AM
Welcome back, F-V. I know you've always been a big fan of Ashley Young. I was unconvinced about the need to bring him back but he has been excellent when called upon this season and that was a superb goal.

I know Ash pissed a few off when at Man Utd, but he was brilliant for us, gave us four-and-a-half seasons, left in a dignified way, and has given his all since coming back.

To still be playing at this level at his age is a reflection of his professionalism and commitment.

Apart from Olof, who was here already, I'd say Ash and Big John are my favourites from the O'Neill years. They both genuinely care about the club, in my opinion.

I think Ash is great.

Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: aj2k77 on October 11, 2022, 12:52:50 AM
Still a natural winner. I've fond memories of him and it's good to see he's still got a bit left in his legs yet. Shame he's part of this Gerrard shambles.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on October 11, 2022, 12:54:18 AM
Still a natural winner. I've fond memories of him and it's good to see he's still got a bit left in his legs yet.

Agreed, I love Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: purpletrousers on October 11, 2022, 03:53:48 AM
It feels like a bad dream but wasn’t he coming on as a central midfielder? Seemed a pointless signing at this point, but so glad he’s proved me wrong and shown his class. Obv should never have *****d off, but grateful for his professionalism and that winning mentality that obviously took him away from us..,
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Hillbilly on October 11, 2022, 04:56:18 AM
Love him but it's a sad indictment that our most effective player is, in footballing terms, a pensioner.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: darren woolley on October 11, 2022, 08:25:43 AM
Great goal by Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 08:39:49 AM
Now our second oldest scorer in the Premier League, behind Peter Schmeical.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 11, 2022, 09:29:44 AM
He should only be a bit part player when needed.  Now, he's integral to the team.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: chrisw1 on October 11, 2022, 09:37:04 AM
He should only be a bit part player when needed.  Now, he's integral to the team.
Tbf he deserves to be an integral part of the team right now, injuries or not.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 11, 2022, 09:41:51 AM
Our best player last night, but not difficult when you see what the rest served up.
He was the only one who was professional and also showed he wanted to compete and win.
The only other player that showed the same commitment was Ramsey.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 11, 2022, 09:43:43 AM
He should only be a bit part player when needed.  Now, he's integral to the team.
Tbf he deserves to be an integral part of the team right now, injuries or not.

I agree.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Clive W on October 11, 2022, 09:57:04 AM

The only other player that showed the same commitment was Ramsey.

But there’s more to commitment than getting involved in stupid arguments that end with a yellow card
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: rougegorge on October 12, 2022, 04:08:33 PM
The worrying thing is that if other players' form continues in this vein, Ashley will stand a good chance of being our player of the season!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 12, 2022, 05:31:18 PM
He should only be a bit part player when needed.  Now, he's integral to the team.
Tbf he deserves to be an integral part of the team right now, injuries or not.

I agree.

Me too.

He is one of a very, very small number of positives from the last year or so.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 12, 2022, 08:59:36 PM
the fact that he is integral and not the role or squad player he was bought to be embodies perfectly the magnitude of the problems we have at the club.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on October 13, 2022, 03:02:29 AM
the fact that he is integral and not the role or squad player he was bought to be embodies perfectly the magnitude of the problems we have at the club.

That's up to the rest to sort themselves out. We shouldn't hold that against him. Well done Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: sid1964 on October 13, 2022, 06:32:05 AM
He moans at refs more than Fernandes at Utd.

I would imagine that Liam Ridgewell is not a fan of Young!

He is doing well for us at the moment - hopefully it continues
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: not3bad on October 13, 2022, 02:54:03 PM
the fact that he is integral and not the role or squad player he was bought to be embodies perfectly the magnitude of the problems we have at the club.

That's up to the rest to sort themselves out. We shouldn't hold that against him. Well done Ash.

Indeed. If Ash wasn't around things would be much worse.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 23, 2022, 10:09:47 PM
Brilliant again today. Another top class performance.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2022, 10:12:29 PM
He’s been tremendous of late. Absolute credit to his profession.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 23, 2022, 11:25:01 PM
My only worry is the number of games will start catching up with him. He's admitted himself he's not physically prepared to play every game. That said he was so important today. I can see him joining our coaching team next season. Love him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 23, 2022, 11:35:17 PM
I said to the blokes that sit near me, how does Digne get back in the side!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Steve67 on October 23, 2022, 11:39:49 PM
I love the fact that every time Villa scored today he got them all in a huddle and spoke to them. Really good leadership and I agree he’s been amongst our better players so far this season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on October 23, 2022, 11:41:17 PM
He’s been tremendous of late. Absolute credit to his profession.

Absolutely. 'That' pass today was fucking brilliant, and he clearly cares so much, which you'd think, at his age, would have to be because he has a real love of the club.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Matt C on October 24, 2022, 12:28:02 AM
After the penalty is awarded he goes and take the ball and stands on the penalty spot so they can’t psych out Ings.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: chrisw1 on October 24, 2022, 12:15:44 PM
My only worry is the number of games will start catching up with him. He's admitted himself he's not physically prepared to play every game. That said he was so important today. I can see him joining our coaching team next season. Love him.
3 more games and he gets a long rest.  Hopefully the ice bath will see him through to the WC.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: clash city rocker on October 24, 2022, 12:18:28 PM
Compare how professional he is compared to that twat Ronaldo. Young is  a credit to himself and aston villa
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on October 24, 2022, 12:18:43 PM
It's like falling in love all over again...
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: chrisw1 on October 24, 2022, 12:19:10 PM
After the penalty is awarded he goes and take the ball and stands on the penalty spot so they can’t psych out Ings.
That was fantastic.  He took all the shithousing and chat, protected the penalty spot from anybody feeling clever and then just throws it to Ings to smash it in.  Very intelligent from Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 24, 2022, 12:31:54 PM
Another top performance yesterday, first name in the team sheet for me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: darren woolley on October 24, 2022, 03:09:43 PM
Ashely Young's been brilliant this season a joy to watch.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: WarszaVillan on October 24, 2022, 03:18:23 PM
And what a pass to Bailey for the second goal.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 24, 2022, 03:19:22 PM
Player of the season so far.  One thing that SG was right about is that his experience is invaluable. He's 37 and plays 90 minutes like he's 27. 

Taking the ball as if he was the pen taker took the pressure off Ings and had the Goalkeeper having to have a rethink.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: dave shelley on October 24, 2022, 04:38:03 PM
Player of the season so far.  One thing that SG was right about is that his experience is invaluable. He's 37 and plays 90 minutes like he's 27. 

Taking the ball as if he was the pen taker took the pressure off Ings and had the Goalkeeper having to have a rethink.

That is going to catch on, they'll all soon be doing it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 24, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
After the penalty is awarded he goes and take the ball and stands on the penalty spot so they can’t psych out Ings.
That was fantastic.  He took all the shithousing and chat, protected the penalty spot from anybody feeling clever and then just throws it to Ings to smash it in.  Very intelligent from Ash.

I was more naive than my 12 year, who got what Young was doing straight away, he said Ings will be taking this! Brilliant from Young. Ever since Man City he’s been superb.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Clampy on October 24, 2022, 05:10:57 PM
A mate I was with had Young to score anytime so he was chuffed when he was holding the ball but less happy when he passed it to Ings. Oh, how I laughed.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on October 24, 2022, 05:50:51 PM
It's like falling in love all over again...

Forever Young?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Smithy on October 24, 2022, 07:44:55 PM
Up for it from the very start, his encouragement to Bailey in the first minute when he won the corner we scored from was brilliant to see.  Love to see the players encouraging each other like that.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 24, 2022, 07:50:54 PM
Up for it from the very start, his encouragement to Bailey in the first minute when he won the corner we scored from was brilliant to see.  Love to see the players encouraging each other like that.

Yep - give him another year deal.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 24, 2022, 07:56:55 PM
Up for it from the very start, his encouragement to Bailey in the first minute when he won the corner we scored from was brilliant to see.  Love to see the players encouraging each other like that.

Yep - give him another year deal.

Not only is he still a very decent player he's a leader and skilled in the art of shithousery. A model profeshnial.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 24, 2022, 08:01:56 PM
Up for it from the very start, his encouragement to Bailey in the first minute when he won the corner we scored from was brilliant to see.  Love to see the players encouraging each other like that.

Yep - give him another year deal.

Not only is he still a very decent player he's a leader and skilled in the art of shithousery. A model profeshnial.
we've been lacking a proper shithouse in our team for years
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 24, 2022, 08:03:49 PM
Up for it from the very start, his encouragement to Bailey in the first minute when he won the corner we scored from was brilliant to see.  Love to see the players encouraging each other like that.

Yep - give him another year deal.

Not only is he still a very decent player he's a leader and skilled in the art of shithousery. A model profeshnial.
when Konsa?was injured and was hobbling around you could see young yelling at him, the second time he really yelled at him to go down
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: frank black on October 25, 2022, 01:56:38 PM
I’m back in love with our Ashley. Amazing impact on our team
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2022, 02:43:23 PM
I didn't think he was up to much last season, and I was disappointed when we kept him on this summer. How wrong I was, he's been excellent, and we'd have been deep in the shit without him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ozzjim on October 25, 2022, 02:43:51 PM
His second spell has reminded me much I loved him first time. Hope Emery keeps him around the team, his leadership gives us a lot.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 25, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
Yes I didn't want him to sign back up, but what a attitude in recent games, shining example to everyone,
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 25, 2022, 03:09:16 PM
Absolute model pro. And given two spells with us he clearly loves the club. As a professional he had to move on to win things. It’s been our failure as a club with top players for a very long time. But I don’t question he is genuine affection for us or his loyalty.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: nick harper on October 25, 2022, 04:04:02 PM
I’d play him ahead of Cash or Digne at the moment. Just sensational and clearly motivated to play at the highest level for as long as he can.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: cdward on October 25, 2022, 04:36:02 PM
Loving his game management. It's a mixture of experience, nous and shithousery.
He always grabs a few extra yards at throw ins, is in the ref's ear looking for a decision, influencing him for the next decision.
Any flare ups he is always straight in but not in a hot headed way, but trying to manage it away from our players, and sticking up for his team mates.
The penalty thing was very well done.  Picking up the ball so the opposition thought he was taking it and soaking up all their mind games before passing it off to Ings who was left alone was a masterclass, all while standing on the spot to protect it too.
All this added to his fitness. What a player.
Have to admit i do love a bit of "shithousery", it's being streetwise in games.
Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: supertom on October 25, 2022, 07:41:11 PM
Excellent this season. A rare bright spot in Gerrards last games too. I was happy for him to resign, if only for the odd cameo and presence. He kind of filled a job last season without ever looking like he was still able to impact games too much. This season he's been much better and he looks fitter than a lot of the players 10 years younger than him.

Keep it up and he might just be a POTY contender. Not that I want the captain thing to become front and center once again, but I'd be considering giving it to him if I were Emery.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mellin on October 25, 2022, 09:29:16 PM
A real warmth washed over me when he scored against Forest. Reminded me of good times. Love having him back around.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 25, 2022, 10:12:29 PM
Excellent this season. A rare bright spot in Gerrards last games too. I was happy for him to resign, if only for the odd cameo and presence. He kind of filled a job last season without ever looking like he was still able to impact games too much. This season he's been much better and he looks fitter than a lot of the players 10 years younger than him.

Keep it up and he might just be a POTY contender. Not that I want the captain thing to become front and center once again, but I'd be considering giving it to him if I were Emery.

Not need to make him captain, can have Martinez as captain, whilst Young is just another captain in all but name. He’s been nothing short of brilliant this season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Bad English on October 25, 2022, 10:27:19 PM
Absolute model pro.
I wouldn't go that far; he used to play wearing a snood.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 26, 2022, 01:29:14 AM
I don't think I'd want Digne behind Bailey now, I think they would tread on each others toes. Maybe I'm doing Digne a disservice there but I just feel more 'safe' with Young there.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on October 26, 2022, 01:58:57 AM
I don't think I'd want Digne behind Bailey now, I think they would tread on each others toes. Maybe I'm doing Digne a disservice there but I just feel more 'safe' with Young there.

I guess the beauty of Ash is that he can play in almost any position apart from GK or CB. With his recent performances he has nailed down a place, but needs to be rested given his age, then can be deployed elsewhere as we need.

I love the bloke, and he's such a great option to have in & around the squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: algy on October 26, 2022, 07:41:17 AM
He's every bit the player I loved first time round. Also keeps the dream alive - I'm only 3 years older than him, so theoretically I might still play for the Villa (if I was much fitter than I am, and wasn't dispraxic as fuck, and wasn't rubbish at football ... but there's still time, right?)
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Bad English on October 26, 2022, 08:05:20 AM
dispraxic as fuck
Bit of dyslexia too by the looks of things. ;-)
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: placeforparks on October 27, 2022, 12:58:21 PM
Loving his game management. It's a mixture of experience, nous and shithousery.

in alex ferguson, he learnt from one of the best.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on October 27, 2022, 04:10:05 PM
dispraxic as fuck
Bit of dyslexia too by the looks of things. ;-)

He cudda bin being fonetic.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 27, 2022, 11:54:13 PM
I know this was discussed earlier but still great leadership by Ash

https://twitter.com/lewis_1417/status/1585691994583597071?s=46&t=iLAMB37z5sC473GrAK_iAw
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 28, 2022, 09:07:07 AM
I know this was discussed earlier but still great leadership by Ash

https://twitter.com/lewis_1417/status/1585691994583597071?s=46&t=iLAMB37z5sC473GrAK_iAw
Class.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: rob_bridge on October 28, 2022, 02:01:17 PM
Thought ball he played through for Bailey the other day for 2nd goal was utterly brilliant. Should have been more noise about it
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 28, 2022, 02:16:39 PM
Thought ball he played through for Bailey the other day for 2nd goal was utterly brilliant. Should have been more noise about it

I thought that, as well as the way Bailey let the ball run on before taking a touch.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 28, 2022, 05:10:26 PM
Dean Smith and Steven Gerrard repeatedly stated how good he was, as did I, Garreth Southgate and some others on here and following Villa who did not have any doubts because his record speaks for itself.

It's great to now see so more people  again recognise one of our best Aston Villa players from the Premier League era.
I'd put him on par with Milner or Barry, and I'm guessing Dublin, Merson, and McGarth came before them in terms of playing to a higher standard in mid to late 30s and certain longevity

Ex-villa Agbonlahor, Richards, Jenas, Lescott, and Joe Cole were not at his level of consistency over course of their careers which is why they aren't achieving on the field stil and are all younger reduced to punditry.

Young, I salute you. He, along with Barry and Milner, are certain members of the Premier League Hall of Fame.
And in the Villa team of Premier league era to me.
I'd even stand by the fact he's better and more impactful than Jack Grealish time at Villa in premier league.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: olaftab on October 28, 2022, 05:35:14 PM
Yes I spotted a little lack of consistency with Jenas.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 29, 2022, 09:09:42 PM
Jenas was pretty consistent -he was always in the treatment room!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 29, 2022, 09:11:49 PM
Was probably a game too much for him today
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2022, 10:09:31 PM
Was probably a game too much for him today

Yep, not a good game today for him, but then everybody was poor without exception. I just don't know why managers don't make changes earlier when it's clear somebody is getting overrun.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on October 30, 2022, 12:48:03 AM
Always the issue with a caretaker though. That's a very tough call to make.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on October 30, 2022, 12:54:59 AM
Always the issue with a caretaker though. That's a very tough call to make.

How do you mean?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: dave shelley on October 30, 2022, 09:18:59 AM
Always the issue with a caretaker though. That's a very tough call to make.

How do you mean?

Should he use the microfibre mop or the squeegee.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Chris Smith on October 30, 2022, 10:44:35 AM
Always the issue with a caretaker though. That's a very tough call to make.

How do you mean?

It’s like being a supply teacher in a room full of bolshy teenagers.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on October 30, 2022, 11:39:21 AM
Ah, OK. The players celebrated wildly with Danks And Sons after the goals against Brentford though suggesting love and respect. I guess it's easy to be generous when you're in a happy mood though.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on October 31, 2022, 03:11:08 PM
Always the issue with a caretaker though. That's a very tough call to make.

How do you mean?

Takoing a player off early in a game is a tough call for anyone because of the knock-on effects in can have. As a caretaker, that's a huge/bizarre call to make, especially so for Club Captain and our most experienced player.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 09, 2022, 06:23:52 PM
The legend that is Ashley Young was named in Gareth Southgate provisional 55 for the World Cup.
Just proves further how quality he still remains.
He's not expected to be in the final 26 however it's a testement  to his professionalism and quality as a footballer.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on November 10, 2022, 10:46:48 AM
Acute insight.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 09:25:05 PM
Wonderful player.
Best Villa player in first half versus Man Utd.
Brilliant cross to create the second goal.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 09:36:56 PM
Great 70 minutes by Ash
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 10, 2022, 11:14:50 PM
It was, but he seemed to clap Man U fans and not Villa, when subbed, at least that how it seemed to me from where I was stood.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 11:16:13 PM
It was, but he seemed to clap Man U fans and not Villa, when subbed, at least that how it seemed to me from where I was stood.

He might have applauded them back when they applauded him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 11:17:12 PM
It was, but he seemed to clap Man U fans and not Villa, when subbed, at least that how it seemed to me from where I was stood.
Kiddish that is.
Ashley Young is a Villa legend in the Premier league era.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 10, 2022, 11:18:16 PM
Might off, it seemed he turned straight to them, but I could be wrong, he certainly clapped United first. But anyway it don’t matter, just an observation
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2022, 11:20:32 PM
He seemed to turn and clap the whole ground to me. We were much worse when he went off.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 10, 2022, 11:21:06 PM
It was, but he seemed to clap Man U fans and not Villa, when subbed, at least that how it seemed to me from where I was stood.
Kiddish that is.
Ashley Young is a Villa legend in the Premier league era.

What’s kiddish? Just saying he seemed to clap Man U fans before Villa fans, I wasn’t sure he did clap Villa. It’s an observation, and if what I thought I saw was right, then bad form on him, doesn’t change how well he played.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 11:22:10 PM
Might off, it seemed he turned straight to them, but I could be wrong, he certainly clapped United first. But anyway it don’t matter, just an observation

 That's fair. We're  all for observation here. What can  be seen and missed so its certainly possible.
On observations felt he was tiring and was right to be subbed
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 10, 2022, 11:22:56 PM
He seemed to turn and clap the whole ground to me. We were much worse when he went off.

Ok cheers, yeas I agree
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on November 11, 2022, 01:33:47 AM
Was he not at fault for their first equaliser? The ball over the top came down his side but he was nowhere to be seen.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: sid1964 on November 11, 2022, 07:19:58 AM
I hope that at the end of the season we give him a good send off

He has had a good career, but father time is now catching him up
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: brontebilly on November 11, 2022, 04:30:34 PM
Was he not at fault for their first equaliser? The ball over the top came down his side but he was nowhere to be seen.

No, that was August's son. Chambers positioning was dreadful too on the cover.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 07:43:43 PM
Emery made the right decision by playing again the legend Ashley Young. I believe Ash deserves far more credit and respect on these h and v and I will always support him.

To be fair to SG when at the helm, he praised Young's professionalism and winning attitude, and the great Dean Smith recognised the fitness and they both saw how he's a  model pro.

There won't be many players who are still at the top of their game at 37, like old man young.
What a fantastic clearance today against Spurs.
In those situations, players like Matty Cash handle the ball, resulting in a penalty and immediately ejection from the pitch
Ashley Young to me is quite brilliant.

It's a squad game, and he obviously won't play every match, but the use of Cash as an advanced on the right and keeping Young on was also masterful, and the club captain rightfully took the armband when McGinn came off ultimately leading us to victory.

I think sometimes people forget how good this guy is.
So I wanted to remind everyone he's one of the best players we have ever had in the Premier League era
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 01, 2023, 07:56:13 PM
Young has been superb this season. Showing not just great leadership and in-game management, he is still a really good footballer.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 01, 2023, 07:57:40 PM
Ashley fucking Young.

Applause
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ez on January 01, 2023, 09:14:16 PM
Who would have thought that out of the four  players we signed that summer Young would be the best value.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2023, 11:09:14 PM
His attitude is first class. He could have returned from Man U and Inter having won almost everything there is to win and just coasted back with us. He epitomizes everything you want to see in a pro and such a brilliant positive example to young kids coming through as well as his current teammates.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: not3bad on January 01, 2023, 11:23:18 PM
Really astute piece of business getting Ashley back in.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2023, 11:37:05 PM
Today was his 194th appearance for us. He made 192 for Man United.

He's been great since coming back, what a top professional he is.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Ian. on January 01, 2023, 11:47:30 PM
He’s been a brilliant signing and can put to bed the saying about never going back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 02, 2023, 08:08:45 AM
Today was his 194th appearance for us. He made 192 for Man United.

He's been great since coming back, what a top professional he is.

He played for them? I can't remember.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 02, 2023, 08:43:08 AM
Today was his 194th appearance for us. He made 192 for Man United.

He's been great since coming back, what a top professional he is.

Wow.  I’d guess he’d barely register with their fans but that’s a decent total. 

He’s still a good footballer, so too early to change, but hopefully he’s given the opportunity to join the coaching staff in some capacity.   You definitely don’t want that know-how leaving the club.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 02, 2023, 09:13:54 AM
Was given the Captains armband when Meatpie was subbed, fully deserved.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
Nice f365 write-up

Quote
In terms of 37-year-old former Manchester United wingers who have since honed their craft in a new position and made a triumphant return to their former club in the summer of 2021, Ashley Young is faring considerably better than Cristiano Ronaldo. With his contribution to a spirited victory at Spurs, the Aston Villa veteran can also claim to have had more of a positive impact on Erik ten Hag’s side this season.

Young referred to himself as “old school”, as well as the “grandad”, “the senior member” and the “leader” of the squad in an interview late last year; as the oldest outfielder by eight years in the Villa starting XI which won in north London on New Year’s Day, it is a role he has had to embrace. But he has been impeccable in setting the standard under Unai Emery. Seeing a teammate who turns 38 this summer outpacing Heung-min Son really must stir the soul and his goal-line clearance from Harry Kane’s header was crucial.

This has already been one of the great underrated careers for an English player. Young has won the Premier League, Serie A, Europa League, FA Cup and League Cup, played under Sir Alex Ferguson, Louis van Gaal, Aidy Boothroyd, Jose Mourinho, Antonio Conte and Gerard Houllier, featured in a World Cup semi-final, ranks 40th for all-time Premier League appearances above Gary Neville and Ashley Cole, made his debut in the old First Division and remains as consistent and reliable as ever. He is still a manager’s dream in his 20th season as a professional.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 02, 2023, 01:25:58 PM
Aidy Boothroyd. ;D
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2023, 01:34:00 PM
Amen, he's been a fucking brilliant signing for us, twice.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 02, 2023, 02:49:01 PM
Nice f365 write-up

Quote
In terms of 37-year-old former Manchester United wingers who have since honed their craft in a new position and made a triumphant return to their former club in the summer of 2021, Ashley Young is faring considerably better than Cristiano Ronaldo. With his contribution to a spirited victory at Spurs, the Aston Villa veteran can also claim to have had more of a positive impact on Erik ten Hag’s side this season.

Young referred to himself as “old school”, as well as the “grandad”, “the senior member” and the “leader” of the squad in an interview late last year; as the oldest outfielder by eight years in the Villa starting XI which won in north London on New Year’s Day, it is a role he has had to embrace. But he has been impeccable in setting the standard under Unai Emery. Seeing a teammate who turns 38 this summer outpacing Heung-min Son really must stir the soul and his goal-line clearance from Harry Kane’s header was crucial.

This has already been one of the great underrated careers for an English player. Young has won the Premier League, Serie A, Europa League, FA Cup and League Cup, played under Sir Alex Ferguson, Louis van Gaal, Aidy Boothroyd, Jose Mourinho, Antonio Conte and Gerard Houllier, featured in a World Cup semi-final, ranks 40th for all-time Premier League appearances above Gary Neville and Ashley Cole, made his debut in the old First Division and remains as consistent and reliable as ever. He is still a manager’s dream in his 20th season as a professional.
Brilliant Dave. Thanks
That's what I'm talking about.
Think should also be referenced how he was young player of the year while at Villa.
Has to be considered one of our best players in the Premier League era
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 13, 2023, 07:40:39 PM
Very interesting Ashley Young interviewed on sky before the game against Leeds said there was a plan by Emery for him and his role.
As well as alluding to a specific game plan for the team.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2023, 07:44:18 PM
Very interesting Ashley Young interviewed on sky before the game against Leeds said there was a plan by Emery for him and his role.
As well as alluding to a specific game plan for the team.

Even bad managers have a plan.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 13, 2023, 07:46:53 PM
Very interesting Ashley Young interviewed on sky before the game against Leeds said there was a plan by Emery for him and his role.
As well as alluding to a specific game plan for the team.

Even bad managers have a plan.

Well it won't be exactly what we're expecting seemed to suggest.
And that plan before has Ash been to tuck in and have the left back get forward . May not see him get forward again but seems very promising that Emery is going to set it up to be able to win the match.

Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mister E on January 13, 2023, 07:49:23 PM
Well ... Emery is going to set it up to be able to win the match.
That's what managers do, normally.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 13, 2023, 07:54:35 PM
Well ... Emery is going to set it up to be able to win the match.
That's what managers do, normally.
No some set out not to lose!

High Ho Aston Villa!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mister E on January 13, 2023, 07:57:22 PM
Well ... Emery is going to set it up to be able to win the match.
That's what managers do, normally.
No some set out not to lose!

High Ho Aston Villa!
At home, against a lower-mid table team?
Pls get a grip.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 13, 2023, 07:59:18 PM
Well ... Emery is going to set it up to be able to win the match.
That's what managers do, normally.
No some set out not to lose!

High Ho Aston Villa!
At home, against a lower-mid table team?
Pls get a grip.
Youre not making sense
Emery set us out to win with a plan.
Just you see!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mister E on January 13, 2023, 08:02:21 PM
Well ... Emery is going to set it up to be able to win the match.
That's what managers do, normally.
No some set out not to lose!

High Ho Aston Villa!
At home, against a lower-mid table team?
Pls get a grip.
Youre not making sense
Emery set us out to win with a plan.
Just you see!
Emery sets us up to win - exactly what he should be doing, which is why your earlier post was nonsensical.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 13, 2023, 08:08:27 PM
Wonderful Young!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2023, 08:19:09 PM
Well ... Emery is going to set it up to be able to win the match.
That's what managers do, normally.
No some set out not to lose!

High Ho Aston Villa!
At home, against a lower-mid table team?
Pls get a grip.
Youre not making sense
Emery set us out to win with a plan.
Just you see!
Emery sets us up to win - exactly what he should be doing, which is why your earlier post was nonsensical.

To be fair we've had Bruce, Lambert and McLeish in the last decade all do what he's suggesting.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 13, 2023, 09:02:07 PM
Really Enjoying the Young masterclass and schooling the young Leeds winger.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 13, 2023, 09:02:37 PM
the young Leeds winger isn't having a bad game, and Young isn't having it all his own way.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 13, 2023, 09:09:42 PM
I think Ash has been fantastic
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mister E on January 13, 2023, 09:26:12 PM
We're at home but this game is being played almost entirely in our half.
The plan's currently working well - we're 1-0 up!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2023, 10:49:32 PM
Very interesting Ashley Young interviewed on sky before the game against Leeds said there was a plan by Emery for him and his role.
As well as alluding to a specific game plan for the team.

Even bad managers have a plan.

Well it won't be exactly what we're expecting seemed to suggest.
And that plan before has Ash been to tuck in and have the left back get forward . May not see him get forward again but seems very promising that Emery is going to set it up to be able to win the match.

That’s been the plan every game. Right back makies a back three, left back pushes on.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: manic-road on January 13, 2023, 11:08:45 PM
Ash was brilliant tonight, made some incredible tackles.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2023, 11:10:40 PM
What a brilliant signing he has turned out to be.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2023, 11:34:55 PM
Very interesting Ashley Young interviewed on sky before the game against Leeds said there was a plan by Emery for him and his role.
As well as alluding to a specific game plan for the team.

Even bad managers have a plan.

Well it won't be exactly what we're expecting seemed to suggest.
And that plan before has Ash been to tuck in and have the left back get forward . May not see him get forward again but seems very promising that Emery is going to set it up to be able to win the match.

That’s been the plan every game. Right back makies a back three, left back pushes on.

Yep, on paper it's a 442 but the shape on the pitch is very different.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Ian. on January 13, 2023, 11:37:24 PM
He’s quite easily our player of the season so far. He’s outstanding. I do worry we may need to rest him and even though Cash is very decent, he’s not got the brain, composure and positional sense like Young.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2023, 11:54:53 PM
He’s quite easily our player of the season so far. He’s outstanding. I do worry we may need to rest him and even though Cash is very decent, he’s not got the brain, composure and positional sense like Young.

A weird match tonight. Buendia looked shit all night yet scored. Ashley Young hardly put a foot wrong but was at fault for their goal.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: dave shelley on January 14, 2023, 09:12:36 AM
What a brilliant signing he has turned out to be.

I agree, and I was one who thought it was a mistake in having him back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 14, 2023, 09:20:22 AM
I wish he were 10 years younger. What a season he’s having.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 14, 2023, 10:10:09 AM
Tremendous player and what a great role model to have around the place for the younger players. Player of the season so far.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: rob_bridge on January 14, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
Tremendous player and what a great role model to have around the place for the younger players. Player of the season so far.

Helps create the mentality we need.

Terry did it when he came too. Whereas Richards was supposed to do it and did the fucking opposite.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2023, 10:21:58 AM
If you're looking back at the great Villa players of the last 20 years he'd be in the conversation based on his first spell, but to come back at his age and play like he is, in a completely different role, and to show the dedication and professionalism through what's been quite a tumultuous time at the club puts him out on his own for me.

And we're still about £4m in credit from his transfers.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2023, 10:36:15 AM
His pass out of defence for the first goal last night was outstanding but Sky have barely mentioned it. Too busy wanking over Gnonto, a player Young had in his pocket for most of the night.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: rob_bridge on January 14, 2023, 11:59:32 AM
His pass out of defence for the first goal last night was outstanding but Sky have barely mentioned it. Too busy wanking over Gnonto, a player Young had in his pocket for most of the night.

Surprised they didn't think it was a fluke.

Absolute quality vision and execution.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 14, 2023, 12:42:12 PM
He has been ridiculously good and I don't think Cash will get back in the team in a hurry. 8 tackles last night, incredible how he reinvented himself. There was nothing to suggest he would become a defender when he was flying down the wing in his first spell.

I saw an interview with him earlier this week when he said he was never the most talented. I am not so sure about that, he was a very naturally exciting winger to watch in his day.

One thing that does confuse me is the fact he is nowhere near our set pieces. He was the best deliverer of a dead ball cross that we have had for 20 years (perhaps alongside Hourihane) and surely you don't lose that part with age. Our corners are invariably shit at the moment.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Axl Rose on January 14, 2023, 12:45:56 PM
Amazing that he came back here as a back up left back? I think.

He was my favourite player during his first spell here, and losing him was much worse than Barry, Milner etc
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 14, 2023, 12:47:42 PM
Is it fair to say that he was mainly signed to provide leadership and to set an example?  It’s incredible that putting in these performances.

If he’s also doing the first bit then the signing will be paying dividends for years.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: OCD on January 14, 2023, 12:58:20 PM
He has been ridiculously good and I don't think Cash will get back in the team in a hurry. 8 tackles last night, incredible how he reinvented himself. There was nothing to suggest he would become a defender when he was flying down the wing in his first spell.

He did used to get back and help Bouma, or whoever the left back was at the time.

It's the way that he's looked after himself over his career that's a testament to him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mellin on January 14, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
33% each for Bouma, Luke Young and Warnock, I believe. Both chronological in order and descending in quality.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: FatSam on January 15, 2023, 11:51:22 AM
Amazing that he is older than Gabby, who has already been retired for 4 years. Gabby basically achieved all of his career highs by the time he was 24, and coasted from 2010 onwards. Since then Young spent 10 years at other clubs challenging himself, and hasn’t given up yet.

I suppose you could argue that Gabby was loyal to Villa and impacted by the general malaise at the club, but it’s a two way street. Throwing Joe into the mix, an interesting discussion (probably had many times on here) is loyalty v ambition, and what is actually best for the club. I suppose loyalty and ambition together is best. Gabby seemed to have loyalty but no ambition, whereas Ash has ambition and at least some loyalty. At least we got a decent fee for him in 2011, and he has been a positive influence over the last couple of years. With hindsight I would rather that we sold Gabby at the height of his powers, and let him coast into retirement somewhere else.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on January 15, 2023, 12:07:58 PM
Agbonlahor's loyalty really boiled down to nobody else wanting the fat bastard.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Pete3206 on January 15, 2023, 01:07:43 PM
I wonder if Young will get offered an extra year with us. He shows no signs of slowing down.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 15, 2023, 01:10:02 PM
I hope his association with us continues. He is clearly a positive influence and a tremendous role model.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: bob on January 15, 2023, 01:18:33 PM
If you're looking back at the great Villa players of the last 20 years he'd be in the conversation based on his first spell, but to come back at his age and play like he is, in a completely different role, and to show the dedication and professionalism through what's been quite a tumultuous time at the club puts him out on his own for me.

And we're still about £4m in credit from his transfers.

Yes Lee, bona fide legend.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: DrGonzo on January 15, 2023, 01:29:40 PM
Wonder if he's considering going for his coaching badges?  One more season and into the coaching set up? He has been really good this year.  Glad he came back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2023, 01:30:25 PM
Wonder if he's considering going for his coaching badges?  One more season and into the coaching set up? He has been really good this year.  Glad he came back.

Given who he worked with you'd hope so.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Chap on January 15, 2023, 01:42:43 PM
His pass out of defence for the first goal last night was outstanding but Sky have barely mentioned it. Too busy wanking over Gnonto, a player Young had in his pocket for most of the night.

Surprised they didn't think it was a fluke.

Absolute quality vision and execution.

The BBC report also quoted it as ‘hooked forward’ as if it was a rushed clearance!!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on January 15, 2023, 02:12:36 PM
When you think, he joined us 16 years ago this month with Carew. Between those two and Gabby, MON did get the best out of them.

And now look at their subsequent fates...one in jail for tax evasion, one a football radio shock-jock who let himself go before he turned 30 and then there's the old manager left on the coach scrap-heap, reduced to peddling his memoirs on podcasts run by fans of his former clubs.

While Ashley plays to a packed Villa Park every other week on a top-half Premier League wage.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Taylor on January 15, 2023, 02:19:12 PM
Agbonlahor's loyalty really boiled down to nobody else wanting the fat bastard.
This made me laugh. It shouldn’t have.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on January 15, 2023, 02:52:46 PM
I wonder if Young will get offered an extra year with us. He shows no signs of slowing down.

I'm sure I read somewhere that discussions were already happening.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: algy on January 15, 2023, 03:28:18 PM
Thought he was a decent signing when he came back, but more along the lines of he'd do as a backup /utility player for a season whilst we concentrated on higher priority areas.

Actually been a fantastic signing & hope he'll stick around for the rest of his playing career (maybe allowing for a final season at Watford!).
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: manic-road on January 15, 2023, 03:39:07 PM
Been a cracking signing, I think he is currently playing better than Cashy at right back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2023, 04:02:21 PM
Been excellent and a really good experienced head around the group.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Simon Page on January 15, 2023, 05:59:44 PM
His first stink cemented him as an all-time favourite of mine. Love a winger and he was one of the best/most exciting I've ever seen. Struggle to pick between him, Morley and Daley for jump out the seat anticipation when they got the ball. Even his dying swan when he was fouled by Clark (?) didn't dampen my view. To see him back and playing much better than he thinks he's capable of is a proper joy. Imagine how good he'd be if he had as much self-regard as he merits. And the calmness with which he slowed down, looked up and picked out the pass to set up the goal on Friday was astonishing.

Can't praise him higher than to say that even when he was tearing it up for that shower up north, I wouldn't hear a bad word about him. Still gutted that modern football meant we couldn't hold on to that O'Neill midfield.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 15, 2023, 06:03:32 PM
The consummate professional. Great player.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: trinityoap on January 15, 2023, 06:32:26 PM
I'll never forget his winner in the 3-2 at Everton.(Or listening to their world champion whinging fans in the pub after the match).
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: FatSam on January 15, 2023, 07:02:13 PM
His first stink cemented him as an all-time favourite of mine.
Yes, I loved the way he used to waft down the wing back then…
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: rooboy316 on January 15, 2023, 10:14:54 PM
His first stink cemented him as an all-time favourite of mine.
Yes, I loved the way he used to waft down the wing back then…
Definitely can’t criticise him for being all fart and no shit.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: algy on January 15, 2023, 11:19:48 PM
His first stink cemented him as an all-time favourite of mine.
Yes, I loved the way he used to waft down the wing back then…
Definitely can’t criticise him for being all fart and no shit.
But can he do it on a wet Tuesday night in Cologne?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rodders on January 15, 2023, 11:26:44 PM
His first stink cemented him as an all-time favourite of mine.
Yes, I loved the way he used to waft down the wing back then…
Definitely can’t criticise him for being all fart and no shit.
But can he do it on a wet Tuesday night in Cologne?

Er... "But can he do it on a wet Tuesday night in Colon?"
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ROBBO on January 16, 2023, 01:03:23 AM
Remember as a yougster for us he took all the set pieces, quite brilliant at times but he got hacked down Grealish style and after a time it took it's toll. A rare total proffessional, you would think he would be part of the training set up after his playing days are over.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: sid1964 on January 16, 2023, 05:57:29 AM
Defensively is doing well, but offers no attacking threat when playing as a right back

Hopefully next season we will see Kesler promoted to 1st team as cover for Cash
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ROBBO on January 16, 2023, 08:54:19 AM
But if he can ping passes like the one to Kamara.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: darren woolley on January 16, 2023, 09:05:21 AM
He's been brilliant for us since he came back I hope he gets another 12 months he's deserved it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2023, 02:44:41 PM
He's four games away from 200 PL appearances for us. Gareth Barry is top with 364.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mellin on January 16, 2023, 07:58:48 PM
I nearly asked, but sorted my act out and googled.

https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/stats/option/appearances/
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 16, 2023, 08:11:14 PM
I nearly asked, but sorted my act out and googled.

https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/stats/option/appearances/

A little bit skewed by the August 1992 cut off. Alpay more appearances than Spink.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Beard82 on January 16, 2023, 08:12:47 PM
Wow those stats a ridiclous, I can't believe Reo-Coker played more games for us than Milner for example
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 16, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
I nearly asked, but sorted my act out and googled.

https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/stats/option/appearances/

A little bit skewed by the August 1992 cut off. Alpay more appearances than Spink.
And Marvelous Nakamba more than Tommy Johnson. That must be down to the increase in the number of subs down the years.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: The Charmer on January 16, 2023, 08:16:40 PM
I nearly asked, but sorted my act out and googled.

https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/stats/option/appearances/

Amazingly, in 6 games time, Big Emi will have played more Premier games for the Villa than Grealish.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: FatSam on January 16, 2023, 10:17:45 PM
I nearly asked, but sorted my act out and googled.

https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/stats/option/appearances/
Interesting to see Mings and Luiz with over 120 games each already. They should be on the verge of the top 20 by the end of this season. With another 3 years on his contract Luiz could make the top 10 at this rate. Given his emerging partnership with Kamara I’m quite optimistic about this.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mellin on January 16, 2023, 11:23:11 PM
I was on the way out earlier, so just quickly fired it in the thread whilst the missus was nagging me to get a move on #Priorities

But the one's that struck me were poor Jlloyd Samuel in 15th, then your Bacunas, N'Zogbias and Guzans all having so many, but think that's because I've targeted that section of the hippocampus with strong drinks and heavy machinary, so am mainly oblivious to who/what happened.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 17, 2023, 02:49:25 PM
I nearly asked, but sorted my act out and googled.

https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/stats/option/appearances/

Amazingly, in 6 games time, Big Emi will have played more Premier games for the Villa than Grealish.

Adding to that, at today's ridiculous player values one is worth £100 Million and the other isn't.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Villafirst on January 17, 2023, 03:55:59 PM
I hope the club are drawing up a new one year deal for Ashley for next season? He's so fit and focused on extending his career. His pace is still a match for most opponents - ask Kevin De Bruyne after Ash outpaced him at Villa Park in the home fixture earlier this season! Long may it continue.....!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2023, 04:46:21 PM
I read he had signed for another year on Facebook this morning, rushed to H&V for confirmation and the cupboard was bare. Must have been an old post or summat. I was very tired when I read it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: brontebilly on January 17, 2023, 05:04:59 PM
His first stink cemented him as an all-time favourite of mine.
Yes, I loved the way he used to waft down the wing back then…
Definitely can’t criticise him for being all fart and no shit.
But can he do it on a wet Tuesday night in Cologne?

I think that particular establishment has closed....
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 17, 2023, 05:37:05 PM
Wow those stats a ridiclous, I can't believe Reo-Coker played more games for us than Milner for example

Played is a bit strong.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: bob on January 17, 2023, 06:41:20 PM
I nearly asked, but sorted my act out and googled.

https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/stats/option/appearances/

A little bit skewed by the August 1992 cut off. Alpay more appearances than Spink.
And Marvelous Nakamba more than Tommy Johnson. That must be down to the increase in the number of subs down the years.

'kinell!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Legion on January 18, 2023, 10:02:26 PM
One year contract extension to be confirmed? He's been a revelation this season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 19, 2023, 12:14:32 AM
I read he had signed for another year on Facebook this morning, rushed to H&V for confirmation and the cupboard was bare. Must have been an old post or summat. I was very tired when I read it.

Maybe I DID read it?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: OCD on January 20, 2023, 11:23:42 AM
I wonder what he did during the summer that took him from the player he was last season to the player he is this season. He's on course to win our Player of the Season. It's a bit odd him being Club Captain, becoming a regular and rarely actually wearing the Captain's armband.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: aldridgeboy on January 20, 2023, 11:32:18 AM
I wonder what he did during the summer that took him from the player he was last season to the player he is this season. He's on course to win our Player of the Season. It's a bit odd him being Club Captain, becoming a regular and rarely actually wearing the Captain's armband.

I wonder if so many players were in pier form , he just stood out more ?

But he very much deserves the extra year.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeeB on January 20, 2023, 12:07:42 PM
I wonder what he did during the summer that took him from the player he was last season to the player he is this season. He's on course to win our Player of the Season. It's a bit odd him being Club Captain, becoming a regular and rarely actually wearing the Captain's armband.

I wonder if so many players were in pier form , he just stood out more ?

But he very much deserves the extra year.

He's got many jetty heeled young wingers in his pocket
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: dave shelley on January 20, 2023, 12:46:58 PM
The quay to eternal youth.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ian c. on January 20, 2023, 12:58:41 PM
Maybe he was carrying a groyne strain last season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: jwarry on January 20, 2023, 02:16:00 PM
The really sad thing about that list is Jack only on 96
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: MorrisNielson on January 20, 2023, 04:37:34 PM
I nearly asked, but sorted my act out and googled.

https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/stats/option/appearances/
An interesting list that, don’t normally look at just PL games.
For comparison, I have put in brackets their ranking for the top flight appearances (PL and division 1 games from 1888 to present) for the top 20 on that PL list. Young will soon be in the top 50.
1.(6) - Gareth Barry - 364 PL apps
2.(13) - Gabby Agbonlahor - 322 PL apps
3.(25) - Alan Wright - 260 PL apps
4.(33) - Lee Hendrie - 251 PL apps
5.(21) - Steve Staunton - 244 PL apps (281 top flight apps)
6.(40) - Olof Mellberg - 232 PL apps
7.(39) - Ian Taylor - 233 PL apps
8.(38) - Ugo Ehiogu - 228 PL apps (237 top flight apps)
9.(54) - Ashley Young - 196 PL apps
10.(59) - Gareth Southgate - 191 PL apps
11.(61) - Stilian Petrov - 185 PL apps
12.(41) - Dwight Yorke - 179 PL apps (231 top flight apps)
13.(67) - Mark Bosnich - 178 PL apps (179 top flight apps)
14.(72) - Juan Pablo Angel - 175 PL apps
15.(76) - JLloyd Samuel - 169 PL apps
16.(79) - Darius Vassell - 162 PL apps
17.(84) - Mark Delaney - 157 PL apps
18.(90) - Dion Dublin - 155 PL apps
19.(102) - Brad Guzan - 144 PL apps
20.(30) - Paul McGrath - 142 PL apps (253 top flight apps)
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2023, 12:01:57 PM
I understand why Young has been continously selected to play right back given the importance placed on positional play and strategy. His leadership, capability, mentality, and experience are also crucial.
What's interesting is that Young has occasionally switched into a back three with Moreno or Digne moving up high on the left side while the right back remains and doesn't go as far forward.

Young is suited for this strategy more than Cash due to a better understanding of the game.
It will be interesting to watch whether the case goes on, and I believe that be it Young or Cash will be used at right back may also rely on who is lining up further up the pitch, such as Ramsey, Bailey, and Traoré and the tactics Emery wants to use in a match.

Of course, both could be used on the right, and even to days of Scottish cafu Alan Hutton, the right back was the outlet ball.
Gerrard wanted to play fullbacks high up and wide, and Cash was sometimes the most forward Villa player.

Emery sought to change this not only in terms of personnel, with both fullbacks changed from Gerrard's tenure, but also in terms of how the defenders are playing that role.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Steve67 on February 04, 2023, 12:52:37 PM
Perhaps Ashley is just a better user of the ball.  Better passer, determined defender etc.  Cash really needs to work on his final ball.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: brontebilly on February 04, 2023, 01:06:09 PM
Young has really proved me wrong this season. Wasn't happy at all when he signed up for another year last summer!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: paul_e on February 04, 2023, 01:08:29 PM
Young got into the team because Cash went to the world cup, since then he's deserved to keep his place, so he has. I honestly don't think there's anything more to it than that.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2023, 01:13:15 PM
Young got into the team because Cash went to the world cup, since then he's deserved to keep his place, so he has. I honestly don't think there's anything more to it than that.
Well there is as i said in my post.
Are people not aware of the tactical change and the full back strategy that Emery has employed . And as i have clearly stated and observes the positions Young has taken up?

Just wanted to point this out to everyone for discussion.

Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 04, 2023, 01:21:02 PM
Young got into the team because Cash went to the world cup, since then he's deserved to keep his place, so he has. I honestly don't think there's anything more to it than that.
Well there is as i said in my post.
Are people not aware of the tactical change and the full back strategy that Emery has employed . And as i have clearly stated and observes the positions Young has taken up?

Just wanted to point this out to everyone for discussion.

Thanks FV. You're so wonderfully patient.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 04, 2023, 01:27:46 PM
Young got into the team because Cash went to the world cup, since then he's deserved to keep his place, so he has. I honestly don't think there's anything more to it than that.
Well there is as i said in my post.
Are people not aware of the tactical change and the full back strategy that Emery has employed . And as i have clearly stated and observes the positions Young has taken up?

Just wanted to point this out to everyone for discussion.

Yes, footy. We’ve seen the Villa play thanks. What’s shocked me is how long it’s taken a football professor such as yourself to notice.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on February 04, 2023, 01:29:53 PM
Difficult to see much with his head stuck so far up where the sun doesn’t shine!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: paul_e on February 04, 2023, 01:39:05 PM
Young got into the team because Cash went to the world cup, since then he's deserved to keep his place, so he has. I honestly don't think there's anything more to it than that.
Well there is as i said in my post.
Are people not aware of the tactical change and the full back strategy that Emery has employed . And as i have clearly stated and observes the positions Young has taken up?

Just wanted to point this out to everyone for discussion.



and yet Cash started the games before the world cup.

It might be tactical but it's much more likely that Young had to start a few games and has done nothing to dserve to be dropped.

The real 'problem' here is that you saw pictures of Cash being excited over a few swapped shirts and have decided he's not professional or intelligent enough for you so you'll just shit post about him from now on, god forbid he's gets a flight to Dublin or Amsterdam any time soon.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2023, 01:44:37 PM
I also think that Emery had to steady the ship the first few games and wanted to tighten up at the back. Young is more defensively minded than Cash, whereas Cash is more athletic and gets forward more.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: paul_e on February 04, 2023, 01:47:45 PM
I also think that Emery had to steady the ship the first few games and wanted to tighten up at the back. Young is more defensively minded than Cash, whereas Cash is more athletic and gets forward more.

That could also be true but the only thing we know for fact is that Cash started games before the WC break and then wasn't available afterwards so Emery had no choice but to pick Young.

Young keeping the shirt might be down to any number of things but the fact that he's been one of our best players over that period is probably the simplest answer.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 04, 2023, 01:55:15 PM
It’s undoubtedly true that the two full-backs are playing differently, with Young forming a back three while Moreno bombs on. What I don’t know is if Emery is basing this on the relative strengths of the players, or if it’s a tactical preference no matter the personnel. Like, has he done it at previous clubs?

Over to you footy, you’re bound to know this with your unrivalled and unique tactical insight, for which we are all grateful.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2023, 02:09:26 PM
Well, Moreno won't be bombing on much today.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 04, 2023, 02:11:44 PM
Well, Moreno won't be bombing on much today.

True, but I’m sure Digne will be.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on March 22, 2023, 11:30:25 AM
It’s probably been posted elsewhere but an interesting interview with Ashley Young on TalkSPORT earlier:
https://youtu.be/UV3xbYIe_hA
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on March 24, 2023, 03:53:23 PM
The bantz with "Gabs" lives on.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mellin on April 07, 2023, 07:19:43 PM
Might be time to start savouring this run of starts. Him and Grealish out in front on the best wingers front, for me. Early 90s first Villa memories.

Not a bad full back, either. Bit of a legend, in a time where we haven't had many, is our Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Villafirst on April 11, 2023, 07:24:24 AM
Ashley deserves another 12 month extension to his contract. He's still remarkably fit and quick. He's also a good influence and role model for the youngsters coming through. That experience is also valuable in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Baldy on April 11, 2023, 07:37:48 AM
Ashley deserves another 12 month extension to his contract. He's still remarkably fit and quick. He's also a good influence and role model for the youngsters coming through. That experience is also valuable in the dressing room.

Hear, Hear
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Somniloquism on April 11, 2023, 09:23:16 AM
Might be time to start savouring this run of starts. Him and Grealish out in front on the best wingers front, for me. Early 90s first Villa memories.

Not a bad full back, either. Bit of a legend, in a time where we haven't had many, is our Ash.

I'm pretty sure there was a match in his first term where someone got free of the defence and was running at goal and Ash appeared from nowhere with a perfectly timed tackle. Showed his defensive qualities then. And yes, definitely a good fullback on either side.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2023, 01:48:50 PM
Could give Kessler a little more time to get ready if we see him as the long-term solution but needs longer.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Bully2345 on April 11, 2023, 02:10:53 PM
Could give Kessler a little more time to get ready if we see him as the long-term solution but needs longer.

A bit off topic but there's some alarm bells going off with me that Kesler-Hayden hasn't made a matchday squad yet. Maybe he's not all that
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2023, 02:17:38 PM
It's more question marks for me than alarm bells. I think there has been a bit of talk that he thought he had made it already and they're looking to bring him down to Earth.

I saw an interesting article about Seb Revan the other day. It pointed out that even though Emery doesn't like to unnecessarily put kids on the bench and already had Digne on the bench, that he still chose to play a second left back on the bench. Even though it would have been more logical to have Kessler there to even it out. The article also suggested it was to reward his performances in training.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on April 11, 2023, 02:44:57 PM
Could give Kessler a little more time to get ready if we see him as the long-term solution but needs longer.

A bit off topic but there's some alarm bells going off with me that Kesler-Hayden hasn't made a matchday squad yet. Maybe he's not all that

That's a fair point, especially with Young as our only fit right back at the moment. Maybe Emery just doesn't think he's close to enough playing his brand of football yet. The lad looked pretty good in pre-season though.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2023, 04:18:53 PM
I’ve posted before about his attitude at Swindon when they were thrashed by Orient. He - along with the rest of the team - gave up far too easily.

I came away from that game pretty underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on April 12, 2023, 04:29:06 PM
I’ve posted before about his attitude at Swindon when they were thrashed by Orient. He - along with the rest of the team - gave up far too easily.

I came away from that game pretty underwhelmed.

Not sure how much you can read into that though. I'd have been happy never to see any of our team play another game again after the Fulham match earlier this season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2023, 07:11:11 PM
Yeah, one-offs happen. He's clearly talented, let's see if he has the drive.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Hillbilly on April 15, 2023, 03:13:52 PM
We need to take climate change seriously, otherwise what kind of a world will we be leaving the ageless Ashley Young?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 15, 2023, 03:18:01 PM
He has to be such a massive influence at the club right now. Hasn’t set a foot wrong since coming back. And while losing Cash was a kick in the nuts we’ve not skipped a beat with Ash filling in. Brilliant player and all round professional.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Villafirst on April 16, 2023, 04:17:55 AM
Ashley deserves a further 12 month deal. The guy was immense yesterday. So much experience and nous and not least great physical fitness.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Rory on April 16, 2023, 04:48:45 AM
I'd have no reservations giving him a 3-year extension.

He might not be an automatic starter, but the bloke is in unbelievable shape, is a consummate professional and will make a great coach one day.

Plus, I think he really does have a connection with the club. He left as we were beginning our spiral down the plughole, but he always gave everything for us, left in the most dignified way amongst those of that generation, and has been brilliant since his return.

Ash is 100% okay with me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Astnor on April 16, 2023, 07:40:53 AM
Will be interesting to see what happens when Cash is back from injury. I m not he biggest fan of Cash and as the team now are floating with a whole lot of rhythm its the danger that there will be something broken entering Cash. If it happen I have something to moan at again - I have not had that for the last games and as a Villafan its a bit unreal ish
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Smithy on April 16, 2023, 09:04:05 AM
Will be interesting to see what happens when Cash is back from injury. I m not he biggest fan of Cash and as the team now are floating with a whole lot of rhythm its the danger that there will be something broken entering Cash. If it happen I have something to moan at again - I have not had that for the last games and as a Villafan its a bit unreal ish

Cash is a great athlete, but Ashley is technically a better player. However, his levels will start to drop soon. He'll be 38 this summer, which is like 50 in full-back years. I'd definitely be happy signing him for another year if they club think he's got it in his legs, but I suspect he'd end next season outside the squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: rob_bridge on April 16, 2023, 09:08:22 AM
Ashley deserves a further 12 month deal. The guy was immense yesterday. So much experience and nous and not least great physical fitness.

He’s earnt it. For sure.

Hope whoever does the laundry at Villa gives his shorts a good shake empty the pockets. Wouldn’t want Gordon ending up in the washer.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Flin5tone on April 16, 2023, 09:09:57 AM
His performance levels are incredible, if he was a striker at one of the 'big six' we'd never hear the end of it. For the position he plays at his age it's remarkable.
 
Top professional
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: dave shelley on April 16, 2023, 09:13:06 AM
Where ya bin Fred?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Flin5tone on April 16, 2023, 09:32:44 AM
Where ya bin Fred?

Had a lot of work on mate. Was absolutely fantastic escapism yesterday. What a performance and atmosphere
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2023, 09:38:48 AM
Fair play Fred, glad you enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: algy on April 16, 2023, 09:52:30 AM
You can tell it's good when Fred's satisfied. A man with high standards :)
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeonW on April 16, 2023, 10:38:26 AM
Young’s limitations are there for all to see…but he knows them and plays within them. Brilliantly at that. He’s been largely excellent this season and his experience is valuable. Give him another season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: OCD on April 16, 2023, 01:35:30 PM
Will be interesting to see what happens when Cash is back from injury. I m not he biggest fan of Cash and as the team now are floating with a whole lot of rhythm its the danger that there will be something broken entering Cash. If it happen I have something to moan at again - I have not had that for the last games and as a Villafan its a bit unreal ish

Emery doesn't tend to rush players. I wouldn't be surprised if Cash was on the bench for a few games before he comes in.

I would be amazed if Ash doesn't get another year. Emery seemed to suggest in Friday's pre-match press conference when he was talking about some of the older players he's worked with.

It would give the likes of Kessler and Patterson more time to develop and see if they become options.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Villa Lew on April 16, 2023, 01:46:16 PM
I was against his signing, thought he was no longer good enough for the Premier league, I couldn't have been more wrong, he's been superb, one of the best right backs in the league.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 16, 2023, 01:50:44 PM
Remember, he was signed as cover for LB having just win a title in Italy with Inter. And yet he’s now converted to back RB like he’s played there all his life. The attitude and willingness to be that versatile is inspiring. He’s our version of James Milner. A top pro.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Pete3206 on April 16, 2023, 11:32:36 PM
Apart from being done by Barnes at Leicester, he's hardly put a foot wrong.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Smithy on April 17, 2023, 11:12:52 AM
If you'd told me fifteen years ago, that our tricky winger who sometimes looks like he could blow over in a stiff wind, will be the first-choice right-back for us at the age of 37, in a team chasing European qualification, I'd have thought you were mad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Nev on April 17, 2023, 11:21:46 AM
More top shithousing on Saturday, when we scored the 3rd he was stood in front of the away section and when the goal went in he just turned towards them with his arms outstretched.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: danno on April 17, 2023, 11:25:35 AM
His shorts are massive, ample room in his pocket for Anthony Gordon.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: frank black on April 17, 2023, 11:44:45 AM
Apart from being done by Barnes at Leicester, he's hardly put a foot wrong.

That first touch would have done anyone. He’s a player I’d like us to buy
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on April 17, 2023, 12:42:43 PM
Apart from being done by Barnes at Leicester, he's hardly put a foot wrong.

That first touch would have done anyone. He’s a player I’d like us to buy

Absolutely. The only goal from open play  against us for a long time and it needed to be really bloody special.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: danno on April 18, 2023, 06:00:59 PM
Tenuous stat:

Of all outfielders to have played at least 23 top-flight games this season, the oldest is Ashley Young.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Bad English on April 18, 2023, 09:20:21 PM
Tenuous stat:

Of all outfielders to have played at least 23 top-flight games this season, the oldest is Ashley Young.
He is just lucky.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2023, 09:56:53 PM
Wonderful
Ashley Young is the first English outfield player to play 2,000+ minutes in a Premier League season while aged 37 or older since Teddy Sheringham in 2003-04 (2,217), the season in which Young made his league debut for Watford aged 18
Source Aston Villa Statto.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 10:25:40 PM
Didn't expect him to play the full game today with Cash back so fair play.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Mellin on May 13, 2023, 11:48:49 PM
All that stat's done has made me realise Teddy Shringham is 57. What?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dogtanian on May 16, 2023, 02:33:43 PM
Gnonto: "The defender who put me in the most difficulty was Ashley Young because he was annoying: he kept talking, making himself heard and getting inside my head."

https://motleedsnews.com/news/willy-gnonto-reveals-annoying-verdict-on-aston-villa-man-who-was-toughest-opponent-in-debut-leeds-united-season/ (https://motleedsnews.com/news/willy-gnonto-reveals-annoying-verdict-on-aston-villa-man-who-was-toughest-opponent-in-debut-leeds-united-season/)
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2023, 02:34:23 PM
Every defender will now do exactly the same.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Bobby Boy on May 16, 2023, 03:09:10 PM
What's great about Ash, apart from just how well he's played this season, is exactly that he is annoying, aggressive, vocal, unpleasant to play against.

Villa teams in the past have felt like a nice bunch of lads who knew their place but Ashley Young doesn't buy that at all.

I hope he can stick around for a while longer yet
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2023, 03:38:09 PM
I imagine the choice words were also spoken in Italian to help the young man understand.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Monty on May 16, 2023, 03:58:30 PM
Between Ash and the Emis we do have what can be described as a shithouse side to us now, and honestly I'm up for it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 16, 2023, 04:00:23 PM
Between Ash and the Emis we do have what can be described as a shithouse side to us now, and honestly I'm up for it.

I hate to admit it but all winning teams have that mentality - we have always complained about it and now we have to learn to play the game as well
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2023, 04:35:50 PM
I imagine the choice words were also spoken in Italian to help the young man understand.

Does that mean we need our players to not only learn Spanish but Italian, French, German etc etc?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: OCD on May 17, 2023, 11:13:31 AM
They need to have something to do when they're not studying Unai's dossier and video clips on their direct opponents that week. Could be a good assignment for them over their summer holidays and pre-season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2023, 11:50:21 AM
We seem to have a few with that mentality now. Young, Martinez, Buendia, McGinn, Mings, Luiz.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Bad English on May 17, 2023, 11:55:14 AM
I imagine the choice words were also spoken in Italian to help the young man understand.

Does that mean we need our players to not only learn Spanish but Italian, French, German etc etc?
Yes, and Esperanto, and Braille,  plus Yam Yam for their charity work in the netherburbs.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:13:22 PM
I wonder if he's going to get a new deal and we're stuck with him for another year...

Sorry, I like Ash and Cash but I just think RB is an area we could significantly improve especially after seeing what Moreno can do on the opposite flank.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dogtanian on May 17, 2023, 12:16:47 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we give him another extension. He's one of the seniors and has that winning mentality and professionalism that they want around the club and other players.

I'd expect that the plan will be to not have to rely on him like we have this season though.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Chris Smith on May 17, 2023, 12:28:40 PM
I wonder if he's going to get a new deal and we're stuck with him for another year...

Sorry, I like Ash and Cash but I just think RB is an area we could significantly improve especially after seeing what Moreno can do on the opposite flank.

Having another Moreno type player on the right puts us at risk of the problems Gerrard caused by expecting both of your full backs to act as supplementary wingers.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 12:37:25 PM
Yes but having full-backs on both flank capable of "doing a Moreno" means we have better choice and keep the opposition guessing (i.e play Digne/AN other on the left playing more conservatively and on the other side, a right-full back version of Moreno).
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2023, 12:45:42 PM
I'd be surprised if he doesn't get another 12 months, he just seems like a very good option to have in the squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: algy on May 17, 2023, 12:52:11 PM
Yes but having full-backs on both flank capable of "doing a Moreno" means we have better choice and keep the opposition guessing (i.e play Digne/AN other on the left playing more conservatively and on the other side, a right-full back version of Moreno).
Yeah, that was my thinking too - make it so that you could mirror the current Young/Moreno combo on the right hand side - then you pick which one based on whether the opponent is weakest on their right or left flank.  Plus, with the 5 subs now potentially you could do a double fullback substitution and swap the wing you're targeting mid-game.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: OCD on May 17, 2023, 12:54:43 PM
We'll be up against more and more sides playing a low block against us and the Wolves game showed how much we struggled to create chances. It would be good to have an attacking full-back on both sides in those situations.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 17, 2023, 01:13:52 PM
I wonder if he's going to get a new deal and we're stuck with him for another year...

Sorry, I like Ash and Cash but I just think RB is an area we could significantly improve especially after seeing what Moreno can do on the opposite flank.

Having another Moreno type player on the right puts us at risk of the problems Gerrard caused by expecting both of your full backs to act as supplementary wingers.

Was just about to write the very same thing - i think Moreno tactic is very clear and the right side is not expected to mirror it
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 17, 2023, 01:23:10 PM
I wonder if he's going to get a new deal and we're stuck with him for another year...

Sorry, I like Ash and Cash but I just think RB is an area we could significantly improve especially after seeing what Moreno can do on the opposite flank.

Having another Moreno type player on the right puts us at risk of the problems Gerrard caused by expecting both of your full backs to act as supplementary wingers.

Was just about to write the very same thing - i think Moreno tactic is very clear and the right side is not expected to mirror it

Although in some games he may want to switch things and have the attacking full-back on the right and a more defensive full-back on the left.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2023, 01:25:34 PM
Left-side - Celtic - Tizwas

as a wise man once signatured.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2023, 01:58:17 PM
If nothing else he's exactly what you'd want on the bench to bring on and see a game out, wind up the opposition or to get in the referee's ear.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2023, 02:07:24 PM
Left-side - Celtic - Tizwas

as a wise man once signatured.

Dear oh dear.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 17, 2023, 02:50:33 PM
I'd be surprised if he doesn't get another 12 months, he just seems like a very good option to have in the squad.

It makes sense to keep him even if we buy a top class right back.

He can cover multiple positions, and if we're in Europe, he would be a good, experienced option/rotation player.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2023, 02:52:18 PM
When Liverpool click it's often because of their two attacking wingbacks. However, we shouldn't be relying on a 37-year-old player as our first choice.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Richard on May 17, 2023, 07:31:26 PM
38 before next season starts. Keep for one year in the squad as cover but not expecting him to start many games.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2023, 07:34:44 PM
Whatever the likelihood of playing or not, and I guess that depends on who we sign in his position, he's a great utility option to have but is also a proven winner and, I imagine, a dressing room leader.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 17, 2023, 07:52:20 PM
I've just been back to the early 30 page numbers on this thread, when his last contract expired and he was a year younger. I'd say the general tone is more affable now than it was then. Myself included.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Goldenballs on May 17, 2023, 08:01:24 PM
I'd be happy if we gave him another year, providing he was happy to drop down the pecking order a bit.  He's barely put a foot wrong, fitness is incredible.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: algy on May 17, 2023, 08:30:22 PM
I'd give him another year. As others have said, he's versatile enough and has enough nous about him that even as a squad player he'll be invaluable.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2023, 08:34:57 AM
If England had a tournament this summer I think he'd have a chance of being selected on merit
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 18, 2023, 09:00:32 AM
He’s in our team on merit IMO. Brings a real touch of class to that right-back role in our system.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: rob_bridge on May 18, 2023, 09:14:15 AM
He’s in our team on merit IMO. Brings a real touch of class to that right-back role in our system.

Totally agree. Shame we had such a busy April as a one game rest he really could have done with.

No surprise (to me) that McGinn and Konsa have improved vastly since he has been in the team and he is doing this largely whilst covering for the ineffective Bailey.

Absolute top pro - great decision to bring him back, just should never have been played in midfield.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: OCD on May 18, 2023, 01:03:55 PM
I think a right back will be on our list of targets so that could mean one of Young or Cash leave. I wouldn't be surprised if we bought Kyle Walker-Pieters. Also been linked with Dumfries who would be a bit of a coup saying he plays for a Champions League finalist.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Monty on May 18, 2023, 01:05:55 PM
I like Kyle Walker-Peters. Loyal stalwart for me in both my Catania and Leyton Orient Football Manager games.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: PeterWithe on May 29, 2023, 07:32:41 AM
At the end of the game AY seemed to linger a little longer than the other players, reading some thing into it  which isn’t there or was that a goodbye?
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2023, 07:34:30 AM
I'd keep Young, if we're to win the ECL then we're going to need another 5 players in this squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 12:20:45 PM
At the end of the game AY seemed to linger a little longer than the other players, reading some thing into it  which isn’t there or was that a goodbye?

I noticed this too, but he’s not sure yet if he will be here as they’re only now going to work on a possible deal. So, think he was making sure he said good bye just in case.

I think if we want him, he stays. He’s not going to go anywhere and play every game unless he drops down significantly. I think he would enjoy being part of this journey and contributing both on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 12:46:43 PM
I hope he gets another year, but also that he doesn’t play very much, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 12:54:41 PM
In a perfect scenario it’s the year that sees a better RB than Cash arrive. Cash is back up RB. Ash is the versatile old head on the bench who can fill in for a few roles but ultimately provides leadership and transitions from player to coach at the club.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 01:00:23 PM
“For me, you have to ask the manager and the owner. But I want to stay.”

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2023/05/29/ashley-young-eyeing-a-new-deal-at-aston-villa/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2023/05/29/ashley-young-eyeing-a-new-deal-at-aston-villa/)
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Pete3206 on May 29, 2023, 01:08:23 PM
Slots into various positions, so a one deal would be a good idea with extra games next season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2023, 03:04:46 PM
Slots into various positions, so a one deal would be a good idea with extra games next season.

I’d have kept him anyway but with a European campaign too now, he’s exactly the sort of person we e need around - mostly because we need depth but also an experienced head will be very useful.

It’s nigh on impossible to look at how he did this season and not extend (I know his age is a factor but even so ….)
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 03:12:35 PM
Slots into various positions, so a one deal would be a good idea with extra games next season.

I’d have kept him anyway but with a European campaign too now, he’s exactly the sort of person we e need around - mostly because we need depth but also an experienced head will be very useful.

It’s nigh on impossible to look at how he did this season and not extend (I know his age is a factor but even so ….)
Same. I think he could be invaluable to the team and the squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 03:17:35 PM
Worth it even as an experienced head to bring on to calm things down and see out a game when we need it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: danno on May 29, 2023, 03:19:53 PM
Played more premier league games than Cash this season, if he does get another year he’s more than earned it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 03:20:12 PM
I’m a bit disappointed we didn’t get Milner for similar reasons, both sentimental and as a squad player for the twenty odd extra matches we might have.

They’d set the bar for how to apply yourself in the profession and could transition into coaching if they want it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 03:23:29 PM
I have no doubt whatsoever he will be with us next season
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: paul_e on May 29, 2023, 08:16:01 PM
If he is with us next year (and I think he's earned it) I'd like him to have a role with coaching at U23as part of it. I think some of the young players could learn a lot from someone who's managed 20 seasons as a senior player and has reinvented himself to do it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Pete3206 on May 30, 2023, 11:50:15 PM
I think he'd have enough on his plate keeping fit and being part of the squad. Let him coach when he hangs his boots up.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 31, 2023, 02:03:23 AM
Apart from all the other factors that scream out that he deserves a new deal, his experience of European competition would be invaluable.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 11:35:10 AM
Ah shit…contract not being renewed. That’s too bad.

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1663855342026108928?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

Thanks for everything Ash. You have been a superb professional and true role model.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: DB on May 31, 2023, 11:35:15 AM
I have no doubt whatsoever he will be with us next season

Er.....
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 11:37:41 AM
Yeh sadly I was wrong.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: not3bad on May 31, 2023, 11:38:27 AM
Aston Villa can confirm that @Youngy18 will be leaving the club upon the expiration of his contract.

Everyone at Aston Villa would like to sincerely thank Ashley for his service to the club and wish him all the very best in his future endeavours.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1663855342026108928

Sad times.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Smirker on May 31, 2023, 11:38:28 AM
Bit of a surprise but must mean we're signing someone.

They say that you should never go back but these two years have been a lovely return for him. My Young highlight is probably his assist for Watkins in Gerrard's first fame or his goal vs Forest.

Thanks Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Drummond on May 31, 2023, 11:39:34 AM
Clinical by the club.

We've obviously got another RB lined up.

Thanks Ash, shame he didn't get the chance for a proper goodbye but also good that we've just let him go so he can move on. I wonder if he'll hang up his boots or go to one of the promoted clubs.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2023, 11:39:47 AM
I think Emery wants a top RB and Cash to fight for the position. That would mean Ashley barely getting a look-in at all so I think it's fair enough. The club have enriched him over two spells, we don't owe him anything.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: danno on May 31, 2023, 11:40:18 AM
Sad, but also shows a ruthlessness we’ve not had in my lifetime anyway.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dogtanian on May 31, 2023, 11:42:12 AM
I remember when the rumours of us signing him again started, I was adamant it wasn't something we'd look at as there would be little point. He's proper proven I don't know my arse from my elbow and should never, ever be listened to again.

Sorry to see him go, and all the best!
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: OCD on May 31, 2023, 11:43:37 AM
I thought we would either let him go or keep around but as a third option at right back. He's done great the last couple of years and there should be another Premier League side that can offer him another year.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 11:44:25 AM
Ash’s playing time was going to be reduced now that Cash was back fit, and Cash isn’t guaranteed game time going forward as it was likely we would get another RB in. So Ash likely wanted some guarantees or Emery just felt he’d served his purpose and it’s time to move on. Sport can be very cold at times. Ash has given everything to us so it will be sad not to see him again.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Dr Butler on May 31, 2023, 11:44:45 AM
Sad, but also shows a ruthlessness we’ve not had in my lifetime anyway.

I have just said exactly the same danno...

all the best Ashley and thanks for all your efforts down the Villa

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 11:45:45 AM
Thanks for changing the thread title. Very appropriate
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Legion on May 31, 2023, 11:46:50 AM
Perhaps he might return to Watford? He's been a model professional for us. I wish him well.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PeterWithe on May 31, 2023, 11:47:44 AM
He had a great season, outstanding but time waits for no man. What a player and what an influence on other players.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Baldy on May 31, 2023, 11:51:07 AM
A true pro, a credit to himself and the club.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 31, 2023, 11:54:34 AM
Sport can be very cold at times. Ash has given everything to us so it will be sad not to see him again.

True. It's best we were honest with him and I'd hope he does his badges and returns to work with the kids, he's everything you want in a pro. Absolute top man on so many levels. I was delighted the Holte gave him a special send off on Sunday. There's not many 38 year olds that would have received such an enthusiastic serenade.

Good luck, fella and thanks for everything.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Risso on May 31, 2023, 11:55:03 AM
Oof, feels a bit brutal three days after he announced in the ground he wanted to stay, but I also like the fact that we're not remotely sentimental.

Anyway Ash, thanks a million. A true professional who played a big part this year in our huge improvement.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Stu82 on May 31, 2023, 11:56:47 AM
Good luck Ash
True professional, has played an important part this year.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 31, 2023, 11:57:14 AM
Perhaps he might return to Watford? He's been a model professional for us. I wish him well.

Yep totally agree.

There is room for sentiment and I'm sure Ash understands the decision. His experience would have been great to have in the dressing room but we have to improve and Ash at 37/38 is not going to do that. Maybe there will be a role for him in some other capacity.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2023, 11:58:13 AM
I expect as a free, Ash isn't on peanuts so maybe just freeing up some money for other players. It is a shame though as he didn't put a foot wrong in the majority of our games and his outfield shit-housing complemented Emi's.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Dogtanian on May 31, 2023, 12:00:34 PM
Well, it doesn't say we didn't or weren't prepared to offer him a new deal.

It might be that an open and honest conversation about next season led to him feeling he'd need to move on.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PeterWithe on May 31, 2023, 12:01:59 PM
I expect as a free, Ash isn't on peanuts so maybe just freeing up some money for other players. It is a shame though as he didn't put a foot wrong in the majority of our games and his outfield shit-housing complemented Emi's.

Yes, Id guess he's be on the thick end of £50k a week and, if he's been told he wont play much, then that's an awful lot of money for a reserve/kids coach/cheerleader. If he wants to play he will do at another PL club and when thats over, I'd love to see him back to start his coaching career back here as he's an absolute class act.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Rich6by7 on May 31, 2023, 12:04:44 PM
Shame he’s leaving; I think he’d earned an extra season with us, including European football even mainly as a substitute. Good luck Ash and thanks for your hard work and commitment to the team.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Smithy on May 31, 2023, 12:06:23 PM
He's given us two great years at a time in his career when I didn't think he was capable of playing at the level he has.  I also think his experience has also been invaluable as the team has gone higher in the league, and in he seems like a really good presence in the dressing room.

But, I'm not sure he's going to offer much on the pitch next year, so it's probably the right decision given the recruitment we're all hoping to see.  There's little point having him around as a third-choice right-back who barely plays, when we've got Kessler-Hayden who can fulfill that role.

I'm confident he can still do a job in the Prem, and I'll be surprised if he retires.  But it's not like he needs the money, so if he's not offered something decent then maybe he will call it time?

Thanks for the second set of memories Ash!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 31, 2023, 12:08:25 PM
We are going to need players with loads of energy next season.  Ash was starting to wilt a bit in games which is entirely understandable.  I’ll miss his shithousing though took us to a new level.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
Brilliant contribution and saved some of his very best until last

If I were a promoted side I'd be speed dialing his agent
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: DerbyVillian on May 31, 2023, 12:11:39 PM
That's a shame, thought he'd get another year. Especially, with being in Europe.

Great role model, would love to have him around the club, in some capacity.

 :( :(
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: BC Villain on May 31, 2023, 12:12:21 PM
Disappointing that he wasn't told before Sunday so he could get a proper send off
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Paul.S on May 31, 2023, 12:13:36 PM
He’s been invaluable to us this season. I doubt very much we’d be where we are now without his contribution. Hopefully the squad have watched him and learnt from him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 31, 2023, 12:14:06 PM
He had a fantastic season for us, his experience and knowledge was exactly what we needed at certain key moments in games. Proper professional. A shame it wasn’t announced before Sunday’s game though.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2023, 12:14:15 PM
Disappointing that he wasn't told before Sunday so he could get a proper send off

No chance anything like that was happening whilst we were still playing for something, and rightly so.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PeterWithe on May 31, 2023, 12:15:20 PM
Disappointing that he wasn't told before Sunday so he could get a proper send off

I kind of think that maybe he did know or at least suspect, he seemed to linger a bit longer and take it all in a bit more than all the other players.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Goldenballs on May 31, 2023, 12:22:06 PM
Surprised, he did more than enough to earn another year in my opinion. We wouldn't have made 7th without him, filled in amazingly when Cash was out.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Bad English on May 31, 2023, 12:26:04 PM
If Unai has said tararabit Ash mate then that is that.  Cheers Youngy thanks for everything!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 12:28:55 PM
Disappointing that he wasn't told before Sunday so he could get a proper send off

No chance anything like that was happening whilst we were still playing for something, and rightly so.

Agreed. The entire focus was on the game and magnitude that winning it has brought to the club. And Emery said time and again all player decisions would be made after the season ended. It’s a massive shame he’s not staying but the business of football can be cruel. And it’s not about us fans in that regard and it shouldn’t be. Certainly not with a manager like Emery. He clearly has a plan in mind and with a number of kids also available from loan he’s going to want the squad he wants. And he’s earned the right to do that.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Cliftonville Villain on May 31, 2023, 12:30:46 PM
An outstanding servant to the club, what a player and what a contribution over the last two seasons. He was worth every penny. To the clown on MOTD this is what professionalism looks like.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 31, 2023, 12:33:39 PM
Surprised, he did more than enough to earn another year in my opinion. We wouldn't have made 7th without him, filled in amazingly when Cash was out.

Debatable, if Cash was fit throughout we might have got further up the table, we'll never know. Even so, Emery is thinking of better than 7th so he needs the players in that position who will be an improvement on Ash. 
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2023, 12:37:50 PM
I had heard he was deemed too old to learn Spanish.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: john2710 on May 31, 2023, 12:39:09 PM
I got the impression on Sunday he was waving goodbye. He's been a wonderful player & professional during both stints. But we're moving on. Wherever he goes he'll do a fine job.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2023, 12:40:37 PM
Surprised, he did more than enough to earn another year in my opinion. We wouldn't have made 7th without him, filled in amazingly when Cash was out.

Debatable, if Cash was fit throughout we might have got further up the table, we'll never know. Even so, Emery is thinking of better than 7th so he needs the players in that position who will be an improvement on Ash.

It is a tough one as Emai seemed to like one defensive and one more attacking fullback. So he had Ash as the defensive one when Moreno was playing and seemed to do Cash attacking with Digne more defensive as he did Sunday.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PeterWithe on May 31, 2023, 12:41:47 PM
Yup, if AY wasn't around or fit when Cash had his injury, I think we would have seen a lot more of Chambers at right back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: thick_mike on May 31, 2023, 12:42:27 PM
He’s had a great swan song. Some epic performances, solid as a rock and wiley as a fox. I remember him having an epic battle with an on fire Gnonto against Leeds.

Gnonto was asked for his toughest opponent this season:

The defender who put me in the most difficulty was Ashley Young because he was annoying: he kept talking, making himself heard and getting inside my head.

It’s not all about the legs.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2023, 12:51:50 PM
Thanks Ash, a terrific servant over both stints at the club.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Dogtanian on May 31, 2023, 12:56:18 PM
According to the Express & Star, it was the club opting not to offer him a deal;

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2023/05/31/ashley-young-set-to-leave-aston-villa-after-club-opt-against-contract-extension/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2023/05/31/ashley-young-set-to-leave-aston-villa-after-club-opt-against-contract-extension/)
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Pete3206 on May 31, 2023, 12:58:14 PM
I think are plans afoot for the right back position. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an upgrade on Cash either.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Villa Lew on May 31, 2023, 01:03:11 PM
Thought it was the wrong decision to sign him, but I couldn't have been more wrong, has been superb for us, gotta be one of the best 37 year olds Villa have ever had on our books. Thanks Ash and wish you all the best for your future.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: manic-road on May 31, 2023, 01:05:15 PM
Thanks Ash, he's had a good season and gave his all when called upon but no surprise really as I think Unai will have Improvements lined up for the right back position.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: algy on May 31, 2023, 01:06:17 PM
Played his part in the history of this great club. Sad to see him leave, I absolutely loved him first time round and he did nothing to diminish that on his return.

Best of luck, Ash. Welcome back any time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2023, 01:14:41 PM
I think are plans afoot for the right back position. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an upgrade on Cash either.

I think you are right.

Sorry he's not getting another year, but that has to mean an incoming RB.

Young has been great for us since he came back, model professional.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 31, 2023, 01:22:08 PM
I think he'll get a similar player to Moreno on the right. This will mean he will be able to change his full-backs depending on which side he wants to be most attacking in particular games. Cash meanwhile has been left out of the Polish squad, with the coach saying he was playing the last couple of games with injections - I thought he played very well in these matches. Good luck Ash - you were great.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2023, 01:23:06 PM
More evidence of a lack of fucking around at the club
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: pablo_picasso on May 31, 2023, 01:23:28 PM
I think are plans afoot for the right back position. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an upgrade on Cash either.

Which is great as thats the perfect way to build a solid squad.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Drummond on May 31, 2023, 01:34:07 PM
He was back up Right Back. This is the way to go about improving us, by replacing or at the least someone challenging for first choice.

ManUtd deemed him surplus to requirements a few years ago, and I guess where we're aiming, he's now surplus for us too.

I'm glad he got to do what he did for us and with us.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Monty on May 31, 2023, 01:38:00 PM
As others have said, we must have a plan for right back. Oh well.

Ash goes with his Villa legacy totally redeemed and then some. He's been the absolute perfect professional and I'm certain he's had a fine influence on the younger lads. I'm so happy he had this second run and that it ended with such good times.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: darren woolley on May 31, 2023, 01:40:26 PM
Thank you Ashley for everything and good luck for the future.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Dick Edwards on May 31, 2023, 01:46:37 PM
Ash has been a top player for our club over a long period of time. First as a quality winger, then more recently as an astute defender. Not many have made that transition at the highest level and been so successful. He's still as fit as a fiddle and I can see another Premier League club snapping him up very quickly. He'll still be playing into his 40s.

Good luck for the future Ash - except when you play against us of course.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: RichardBatchelor on May 31, 2023, 01:53:45 PM
Sorry to see him go - for me in our top 3 performers this season and our best player pre-Emery. Consummate pro.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: danno on May 31, 2023, 01:55:09 PM
He was back up Right Back. This is the way to go about improving us, by replacing or at the least someone challenging for first choice.

ManUtd deemed him surplus to requirements a few years ago, and I guess where we're aiming, he's now surplus for us too.


I'm glad he got to do what he did for us and with us.

He was their captain when he left in January and began that season starting games (12 out of 20). Previous season he’d started 28 Premier league games.

I’m really only pointing that out because I like that he ditched them (rather than vice versa) and then won the league.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 31, 2023, 01:55:32 PM
If they can afford him, surely a no-brainer for Luton?
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Pete3206 on May 31, 2023, 01:56:36 PM
I wonder if he might hang his boots up now. I can't see him rocking up at the likes of Sheff U or Luton.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: villa for life on May 31, 2023, 01:58:16 PM
Aren’t watford and Luton bitter rivals?
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: dr.chekov on May 31, 2023, 02:01:37 PM
Aren’t watford and Luton bitter rivals?

very much so.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: brontebilly on May 31, 2023, 02:08:51 PM
More evidence of a lack of fucking around at the club

Emery just doesn't do sentiment..was ruthless on the Ings decision too and that worked out well for us. Young was so much better in his second season back than his first. Top pro, even in the dark days at the end of Gerrard's regime he was one of the few who kept going to the bitter end. Can see argument for keeping him around especially with the extra Euro games but Emery has made the hard decision.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2023, 02:10:40 PM
He's had a very good season all things considered and leaves the club on a high.  Wish him the very best of luck and. thank him for his efforts in both his spells at the club. 
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 02:11:58 PM
The other thing to consider is that while he’s clearly in cracking shape, there will be a natural fall off as he approaches 38 years of age. Plus it denies opportunities for youngsters coming through or plans for new players being acquired. It’s harsh and his leadership and love for Villa will be missed. But Emery is at the helm not the look me in the eye wanker. That’s most important
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Axl Rose on May 31, 2023, 02:13:49 PM
I adored him during his first spell, and was far more gutted when he left, than when the likes of Barry and Milner fucked off to the oil tramps.

This time he's just been so solid and dependable. Great!

Will be missed. Cheers Ash!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Ger Regan on May 31, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
Worked out brilliantly for us the past couple of seasons, hope he gets a good move for himself.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 31, 2023, 02:43:57 PM
Obviously we don't know who is coming in, but you'd have thought he'd be useful to keep around for another season, given the extra games (hopefully) in Europe, and he's an experienced head who can cover multiple positions reliably, or come on as a sub to tighten things up.

Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 31, 2023, 02:46:21 PM
Said it before, but in his first spell with us he I'd the most exciting player I've seen for Villa.

Every time he got the ball, you'd get off your chair, expecting him to beat his man and whip a dangerous cross in, or curl a shot into the top corner.

So delighted that he was also a very good Fullback in his second spell with us.

Maybe he will come back as a coach some day.

All the best Ashley.
Title: Re: Ashley Young
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 31, 2023, 03:01:16 PM
Clinical by the club.

We've obviously got another RB lined up.

Thanks Ash, shame he didn't get the chance for a proper goodbye but also good that we've just let him go so he can move on. I wonder if he'll hang up his boots or go to one of the promoted clubs.


His attitude suggests he's aware of the oft-repeated line about missing playing once you stop. I think he'll play until bits of him start actually falling off!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 03:12:02 PM
Amazing professional. Gave us two good seasons wish him he very best or the rest  his life
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:15:10 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed watching him wind up the opposition and finally having someone in the ref's ear.

I know someone who did work on his house first time around and he is apparently a very nice bloke. Watford need leaders with how they treat their managers so he could do a job there.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: UK Redsox on May 31, 2023, 03:16:15 PM
With 9 subs on the bench, I still think that there was a place for Ash for at least another season.

I'm not convinced by Cash, so hopefully there's a better right-back on the way.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeonW on May 31, 2023, 03:16:18 PM
Really wasn’t sure about his return but he showed great experience and leadership as well as some flashes of the player he was first time round. Thought he was one of our best players last season. Would have kept him around for at least another season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 03:18:59 PM
With 9 subs on the bench, I still think that there was a place for Ash for at least another season.

I'm not convinced by Cash, so hopefully there's a better right-back on the way.

Nor me but I don't think that is the consensus.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Diablo on May 31, 2023, 03:19:54 PM
As people have already said a superb professional and a winner. I would have liked him to stay on another year for sure - thanks Ash! Good luck in the future!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2023, 03:22:30 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed watching him wind up the opposition and finally having someone in the ref's ear.
I think there is job for him at the club in that area. This aspect is almost as important as, dare I say, McPhee's job.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2023, 03:23:44 PM
I hope Ash lands himself a playing role at a PL club or Championship. Milner is joining Brighton for example so no reason to think Ash couldn’t do a job at Luton to help them stabilize. But he’d certainly be a massive asset to a promotion aspiring side a league down.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: DeKuip on May 31, 2023, 04:01:51 PM
He’s done a great job or us this season, as he has every season he’s spent with us. I wish him all the best.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: supertom on May 31, 2023, 04:48:50 PM
I'd have liked him to stay another year, particularly as his European experience could be invaluable. He's been a great servant and had a very good 18 months. To be fair to him, he did well once Gerrard came in and carried that on into this season.

We will need a big squad next season with (all being well) a lot of games to play. He could have been useful. I wonder if the club maybe need to think about the wage bill with impending summer window. Who knows. It may be that Emery is being suitably ruthless. Undoubtedly we'll sign a rival for Cash. We may also have a youth prospect the coaches fancy may be ready to step up to the squad. We have a utility man in Chambers still.

It's a sad day, I'm gutted to see him go. There's no room for sentiment when it comes to making another step up. Absolutely fantastic player though in both his spells, doing considerably different jobs on both occasions. And also, if there was that niggling feeling that moving to United (and a couple of games against us) might have sullied his reputation among fans, his second spell has more than repaired that. Legend for me. Players come and go these days and it's quite rare it hits you in the feels like seeing Ash depart.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: chrisw1 on May 31, 2023, 04:55:39 PM
It seems a strange decision, I find it hard to believe the money would have been a huge stumbling block and you would have thought what he offers in experience and cover would have been worth it.  Maybe once Emery laid out his plans gametime wise Ash didn't fancy it (perhaps third choice etc)?

Either way it was an astute signing, he gave 100% when called on and made a big contribution since his return.  The fans clearly like him and I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at the club at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 31, 2023, 05:12:54 PM
It's the right decision. Ruthless and unsentimental, as we need to be if we're going to compete at the very top. I suspect that rather than sign a replacement, we'll now bring in a top class RB and Cash will be the back-up.

Still a sad day though, Young's been brilliant for us and he clearly loves the club. The consummate pro and a top bloke.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 31, 2023, 05:21:17 PM
Well Ashley! I didnt know what to expect when you came back but I certainly didn't expect you to be as good and as influential as you have been. Top professional and I wish him all the luck in the world with his next club (I suspect Watford)
Completely rebuilt the legacy his dive against us had tarnished.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: nigel on May 31, 2023, 05:33:24 PM
Perhaps he might return to Watford? He's been a model professional for us. I wish him well.

That would complete the full circle.
In a way the perfect way to close your career off.
Great player and has shown he’s a model professional
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Bobby Boy on May 31, 2023, 06:29:35 PM
Surprised, he did more than enough to earn another year in my opinion. We wouldn't have made 7th without him, filled in amazingly when Cash was out.

Debatable, if Cash was fit throughout we might have got further up the table, we'll never know. Even so, Emery is thinking of better than 7th so he needs the players in that position who will be an improvement on Ash. 

If Emery is thinking higher than 7th and I'm sure he is, then we definitely need someone better than Matty Cash at right back.

Enciso really showed him up on Sunday, had him on toast. I was more nervous of that duel during the match than any other.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Monty on May 31, 2023, 06:33:24 PM
Surprised, he did more than enough to earn another year in my opinion. We wouldn't have made 7th without him, filled in amazingly when Cash was out.

Debatable, if Cash was fit throughout we might have got further up the table, we'll never know. Even so, Emery is thinking of better than 7th so he needs the players in that position who will be an improvement on Ash. 

If Emery is thinking higher than 7th and I'm sure he is, then we definitely need someone better than Matty Cash at right back.

Enciso really showed him up on Sunday, had him on toast. I was more nervous of that duel during the match than any other.

Actually there was one duel that made me more nervous - when Mitoma came on for Enciso. I was absolutely convinced we were done for then.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Ian. on May 31, 2023, 06:45:46 PM
It's the right decision. Ruthless and unsentimental, as we need to be if we're going to compete at the very top. I suspect that rather than sign a replacement, we'll now bring in a top class RB and Cash will be the back-up.

Still a sad day though, Young's been brilliant for us and he clearly loves the club. The consummate pro and a top bloke.

My head agrees with this, my heart doesn’t. Ultimately it’s probably the correct decision.

All the best to him, Forever Young.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 31, 2023, 06:51:48 PM
Surprised, he did more than enough to earn another year in my opinion. We wouldn't have made 7th without him, filled in amazingly when Cash was out.

Debatable, if Cash was fit throughout we might have got further up the table, we'll never know. Even so, Emery is thinking of better than 7th so he needs the players in that position who will be an improvement on Ash. 

If Emery is thinking higher than 7th and I'm sure he is, then we definitely need someone better than Matty Cash at right back.

Enciso really showed him up on Sunday, had him on toast. I was more nervous of that duel during the match than any other.

Actually there was one duel that made me more nervous - when Mitoma came on for Enciso. I was absolutely convinced we were done for then.
Thank god he didn’t have both on at the same time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 31, 2023, 07:23:42 PM
The squad isn’t exactly brimming with European football experience, he’s still fit and playing well and he’s got lots of good history with us, seems like a good head around the squad, we don’t have the biggest squad and already need to sign up to half a dozen as it is; this for me is the wrong decision.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: dekko on May 31, 2023, 07:28:23 PM
Impossible to say if it's the right decision without knowing what transfers we'll make.

If the season was to start tomorrow it'd be the wrong move, for sure.  But it doesn't and I'm sure we'll bring people in that means we wont miss him much.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 31, 2023, 07:37:33 PM
Cracking player for us in both spells. He probably earned another contract with us, but Emery has big plans for us and I trust him whatever he does.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Beard82 on May 31, 2023, 07:38:25 PM
Im am slightly surprised by this - I wonder if the decision / discussions were made over the last few days. 

If we didnt seem him as part of the squad for next season - I woudl expect them to say before the final game so he could say good bye.

Surprisingly sad to see him go.  But hes done a great job for us over the two season - and when Brigton brought on Mitoma, I thought we should have brought on young - as I felt cash was struggling.

I'm assuming that a new right back is high on the list. 

Big thank you for everything Young has done for the club !
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Jane on May 31, 2023, 07:55:40 PM
Completely agree with this. Ash knows the team/club & has extensive European experience. After him saying he wanted to stay, I really don't understand the decision tbh.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 31, 2023, 08:02:32 PM
I think he's been remarkable this season and worthy of another 12 months, however it makes sense to bring in fresh blood if they've got someone in mind. A class player who really turned back the clock when he came back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: ExclDawg on May 31, 2023, 08:36:09 PM
Really disappointed to hear this.  Watching the games he did play, you could tell he was pretty much the unofficial team captain. The only reason he didn't wear the armband was because he was too old to start all 38 games, but you could see that he was the guy that commanded everyone's respect.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Jane on May 31, 2023, 08:38:24 PM
Exactly!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Proposition Joe on May 31, 2023, 08:43:58 PM
Very sad to see him go, probably my favourite player of the post-Ellis era. It makes me happy however that when he came back for his second stint he played so well and proved a lot of doubters wrong. I wish him all the best for the future.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Steve67 on May 31, 2023, 08:58:54 PM
A plan is afoot I would think.  Been a brilliant player for us, trusted in any area of the pitch but particularly at full back and I am sure that they will miss his professionalism and support in the changing rooms and around the club generally.  Thanks Ashley.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 31, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
Surprised, he did more than enough to earn another year in my opinion. We wouldn't have made 7th without him, filled in amazingly when Cash was out.

Debatable, if Cash was fit throughout we might have got further up the table, we'll never know. Even so, Emery is thinking of better than 7th so he needs the players in that position who will be an improvement on Ash. 

If Emery is thinking higher than 7th and I'm sure he is, then we definitely need someone better than Matty Cash at right back.

Enciso really showed him up on Sunday, had him on toast. I was more nervous of that duel during the match than any other.

Actually there was one duel that made me more nervous - when Mitoma came on for Enciso. I was absolutely convinced we were done for then.

I agree. After Cash’s first half yellow I was convinced he would receive a second facing tricky wingers, particularly Mitoma, so was begging for Young to come on.

Ash has been brilliant and it’s a shame we didn’t get to say goodbye properly. He was also our commander in chief of shithousery and that is a quality we will need to expand on next season.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 31, 2023, 09:27:57 PM
Felt a bit gutted today, my lad, who never saw him first time round, is even more gutted. He’s been brilliant this season, for me even though our season was a shitshow under Stevie G, Ash’s moment of the season was chasing down and beating De Bruyne to the ball, rousing the Holte End in the process against Man City.
Will be missed, has made his mark on Villa’s history, but a fine way to bow out and in Emery we trust in how we move forwards.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: KevinGage on May 31, 2023, 09:29:18 PM
Odd one, this. 

For a large chunk of the season just gone he was first choice even with Cash fit. Be that tactical or whatever.

When he came back in 2021 the wage was reported @ around the £25k per week mark as well (seems mad, considering his latter contracts and Yanited and Inter). So it's not as if we are so hard pressed with FFP these are the hard calls we need to make.

Can only think that - even if most of us thought AY could perform to a similar high standard over the next 12 months-  Emery (and maybe even Young himself) felt different.  John Terry @ 37 looked  v good for the first 7/8 months of the season in 2017/18 but there were clear signs the legs were going towards the end of that campaign.

Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 31, 2023, 10:41:45 PM
There’s a fair bit of revisionism today regarding this. When it was muted he might be joining there weren’t many thinking it as a step in the right direction for the club. The majority seen it as a pointless signing. It’s turned out he’s been a remarkable recruit and more than filled in when needed. That said, the decision not to give him another year has I think to be down to the data they extract from each player’s performance. We don’t see that but we do see a player getting skinned and being not necessarily slow but not quick enough against some players. Ash has been culpable on a few occasions and it will have been noticed. That’s my take.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: algy on May 31, 2023, 11:00:13 PM
There’s a fair bit of revisionism today regarding this. When it was muted he might be joining there weren’t many thinking it as a step in the right direction for the club. The majority seen it as a pointless signing. It’s turned out he’s been a remarkable recruit and more than filled in when needed. That said, the decision not to give him another year has I think to be down to the data they extract from each player’s performance. We don’t see that but we do see a player getting skinned and being not necessarily slow but not quick enough against some players. Ash has been culpable on a few occasions and it will have been noticed. That’s my take.
I agree with this. I’d also say that it’s clear that our ambitions lie higher than 7th place and, remarkable as it is that Ash can still play at that level at 38, RB is one of 2 positions (the other being Bailey/10) where an upgrade to the first team is badly needed.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Legion on May 31, 2023, 11:01:59 PM
A decent back-up GK is essential.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2023, 11:07:33 PM
He did very well, better than I expected and is a great pro. But that's what he was paid millions to do. Same as his first spell and then he wanted to leave. Now this time it's us that are moving on. It's the circle of life Simba.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 31, 2023, 11:24:48 PM
Maybe they didn’t announce it in advance to ensure the focus was entirely on the game.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 31, 2023, 11:36:56 PM
There’s a fair bit of revisionism today regarding this. When it was muted he might be joining there weren’t many thinking it as a step in the right direction for the club. The majority seen it as a pointless signing. It’s turned out he’s been a remarkable recruit and more than filled in when needed. That said, the decision not to give him another year has I think to be down to the data they extract from each player’s performance. We don’t see that but we do see a player getting skinned and being not necessarily slow but not quick enough against some players. Ash has been culpable on a few occasions and it will have been noticed. That’s my take.

I think quite a few people have said 'thought it was bad signing, turned out well'.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Pete3206 on June 01, 2023, 12:01:02 AM
Maybe they didn’t announce it in advance to ensure the focus was entirely on the game.

I get that, but I'm certain Ashley could have handled the decision if it been handled privately.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Rory on June 01, 2023, 12:16:13 AM
I'm not too troubled by Ash not getting a special goodbye. He's only been with us two seasons this time.

I was never that bothered by him diving against us - he never claimed to be a Villa fan, he left in a professional way and he was just doing what he did for his employers at the time. I believe he did re-join us partly out of a connection to the club, and I'd say the fan reaction to him since will have shown him that there is a lot of affection for him about the place.

Over the two spells, he's been without doubt one of the very best players we've had in recent decades. Best of luck, Ash, and as somebody said earlier, you're welcome back any time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 01, 2023, 02:07:13 AM
As others have said, we must have a plan for right back. Oh well.

Ash goes with his Villa legacy totally redeemed and then some. He's been the absolute perfect professional and I'm certain he's had a fine influence on the younger lads. I'm so happy he had this second run and that it ended with such good times.

You and me, Monty. If only he were 10 years younger. What a top pro. He not only got in the refs head, he spent time teaching our more experienced players. That kind of mentality is going to be hard to replace. Love him for not just giving his all but the way he tried to inspire those around him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2023, 08:35:32 AM
There’s a fair bit of revisionism today regarding this. When it was muted he might be joining there weren’t many thinking it as a step in the right direction for the club. The majority seen it as a pointless signing. It’s turned out he’s been a remarkable recruit and more than filled in when needed. That said, the decision not to give him another year has I think to be down to the data they extract from each player’s performance. We don’t see that but we do see a player getting skinned and being not necessarily slow but not quick enough against some players. Ash has been culpable on a few occasions and it will have been noticed. That’s my take.

I reckon you're spot on mate. I did think at Old Trafford he looked his age, but there weren't many occasions where it showed and that was down to his intelligence more than anything.

The Leicester game was a fine example I thought of the pros and cons of playing him. Gets murdered for the goal but doesn't collapse, works out how to make sure it doesn't happen again and ends up getting their full back sent off instead.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: danno on June 01, 2023, 09:23:04 AM
Think it might also be a case of Emery doing right by the player too.

I know Ash said he wanted to stay, but he might have felt differently when it’s deep into January and he’s only had three sub appearances all season.

He’s played well this year, he deserves the chance to finish his career on the pitch for somebody else, rather than sat on our subs bench.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 01, 2023, 11:35:11 AM
Thanks Ash, you've been a key part of our improvement since Emery has came in.

Would be ideal for somewhere like Luton.

Wish him all the best.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 01, 2023, 12:14:47 PM
As others have said, we must have a plan for right back. Oh well.

Ash goes with his Villa legacy totally redeemed and then some. He's been the absolute perfect professional and I'm certain he's had a fine influence on the younger lads. I'm so happy he had this second run and that it ended with such good times.

You and me, Monty. If only he were 10 years younger. What a top pro. He not only got in the refs head, he spent time teaching our more experienced players. That kind of mentality is going to be hard to replace. Love him for not just giving his all but the way he tried to inspire those around him.

If he were he'd be on Citeh's radar and he'd be 'Highly delighted' (copyright-Dwight Yorke).
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 01, 2023, 11:20:29 PM
Didn't he run out of contract previously only to be offered another one pretty soon after
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: OCD on June 02, 2023, 11:15:10 AM
No, he signed a one-year deal with the option of a further year and we exercised that option.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Dogtanian on June 02, 2023, 11:31:29 AM
He was on our released list, yes. He then signed up again for the following year shortly after.

I don't believe we announced he was going though, he was just on our official released list as a deal hadn't been done at that point.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 05, 2023, 01:20:38 AM
Sorry to see Ash go. A new contract was more than deserved, but I suppose we'll have to wait and see who comes in before August.

Good luck, Ashley!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: pablo_picasso on June 05, 2023, 12:10:27 PM
I am just pleased he is being fucked off on our terms this time.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: john e on June 05, 2023, 01:12:28 PM
It’s all about Levels
He might have been kept on if we were bottom half mid table but we finished 7th
next season we are looking to push on to top 6/4 you can’t be competing with a 38-year-old if that’s where you want to be

I know other teams have done it with oldies but they are generally a lot further on than we are in squad development

It also shows the old velvet glove that Emery operates with
He’s all nice, respectful and genuine, but isn’t afraid of making tough hard even ruthless decisions

He’s the best manager we’ve had a for ages, years, decades
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: purpletrousers on June 06, 2023, 12:51:28 AM
Indeed. If there’s ever time to trust a manager to manage this is it. In a way, presuming we get who he wants in, it’s incredibly reassuring we aren’t risking going past someone’s best years, though I’d still have had a lot of sympathy for the idea of retaining experience in the squad which he clearly was ok simply being part of. 
There was a point when he was appearing in midfield where it was looking an odd signing, but what a gem he’s been second time around. It’s be great to see him go out in style somewhere as Danno says. And since Ash has been going back to roots, perhaps swerving Watford for M1 neighbours Luton isn’t such a crazy idea.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 07, 2023, 01:10:14 AM
This news is hard to take.
It had to end but thought a proper send off was necessary as well as an appearance on the pitch.
Especially after Cash awful showing.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Demitri_C on June 07, 2023, 08:03:54 AM
Legend

All the best ash and thank you for your service. Always welcome back as a fan or in a coaching role
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 10:40:00 AM
Has he shed tears over us on social media yet or is he sulking about being released or is he on holiday in Croatia not giving a fcuk?
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 07, 2023, 10:55:48 AM
Has he shed tears over us on social media yet or is he sulking about being released or is he on holiday in Croatia not giving a fcuk?

He's on holiday, went on the Monday.

Bit eastie for you, that, but trufact.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 08, 2023, 09:34:20 PM
Shame you weren't given another year, but all the best for the future, Ashley! x
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: villadelph on June 08, 2023, 09:56:24 PM
Would love to see him back at the club in a player development or coaching role.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Yeltzer on July 08, 2023, 09:05:52 PM
Holding talks with Everton apparently. He can do better than that
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 08, 2023, 09:23:35 PM
Holding talks with Everton apparently. He can do better than that

Luton probably can't afford his wages though.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on July 08, 2023, 10:05:32 PM
Livid when he went to United but understood it. Livid even more when he dived against us. Sorta glad when he came back. Now Im so angry he wasn't given one more season to set us on our way.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 08, 2023, 10:45:20 PM
I’m not - I’m glad he got to close out his time with Villa in a positive and meaningful way.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 08, 2023, 10:58:41 PM
Well he has fond memories of Goodison Park
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on July 09, 2023, 01:55:15 AM
That Goodison Pk Park goal was up there with all of it.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Witton Warrior on July 09, 2023, 08:48:20 AM
That Goodison Pk Park goal was up there with all of it.

I was listening to the match on 5Live cooking the tea. Just draining the veg as he hit the winner - up in the air it went as the lad and I bounced round the kitchen. Tea was a lttle late that night
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 09, 2023, 09:31:33 AM
It was ace. I watched it in my little council flat in a Chelmsley tower block. Me and the missus were jumping around the living room.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2023, 09:40:26 AM
Watched it in Inn on the Green, Acocks Green.

Tables went flying when Ashley scored.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 09, 2023, 09:42:35 AM
I was there. Unbelievable moment. Agony to ecstasy in an instant.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Smithy on July 09, 2023, 09:46:57 AM
One of the most exciting games of the MON era, and definitely the best finish to one. It's weird the things you remember about games so long ago, but I distinctly remember getting frustrated when we were under the cosh as MON didn't make a single sub.  Show's how much I knew then, and how much I probably know now...
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2023, 09:52:29 AM
I was there. Unbelievable moment. Agony to ecstasy in an instant.

Yep, we were too. Absolute chaos in our end when he scored. It was up there with Lowton's worldie at Stoke. Limbs as the kids say.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: AV82EC on July 09, 2023, 10:14:30 AM
I was driving somewhere and nearly crashed the car in celebration.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 09, 2023, 10:17:30 AM
I was in an English pub in Miami. When they equalised I went to the jacks out of annoyance, and to escape the mirth of the neutrals watching. By the time I came back Ashley had won it for us. :)
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2023, 10:27:27 AM
One of my favourite goals of this century.

Lescott's stupid fucking face, the absolute wanker.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2023, 10:41:53 AM
I was in The Village in Moseley, me and a lad on another table going, mad in amongst confused noses that hadn't seen it because they were busy texting their mates about Lescott's equaliser.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: dr.chekov on July 09, 2023, 11:26:02 AM
I was in a pub (The Globe) opposite Baker Street station. There were a couple of Evertonians sat behind me. When they scored their equaliser, they came over and celebrated in front of me. When Young got the winner, I reciprocated and then some. Pretty amazed I didn’t get a kicking.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Somniloquism on July 09, 2023, 08:27:21 PM
So better then Mersons last minute up there?
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 09, 2023, 08:42:41 PM

Lescott's stupid fucking face, the absolute wanker.

Absolutely :D
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2023, 09:32:22 PM
So better then Mersons last minute up there?

That was funny. Crap all game and then Merse did that!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2023, 08:23:03 PM
Heard Ash is going to Everton for 12 months. Great news as Evertonians can enjoy his goal as well.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Pete3206 on July 10, 2023, 08:25:46 PM
What a way to finish a glittering career. Fighting relegation.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2023, 08:31:53 PM
You'd think he'd have wanted to go out on a high but he obviously still thinks he can do a job. I'm sure he'll get a good reception when he come back.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: AV84 on July 10, 2023, 11:56:08 PM
I'd love to know which other teams were interested and what they offered him. Luton were the only one I heard mentioned. Everton have been circling the drain for a while now, and as far as I can see, nothing has really changed behind the scenes there. Strange choice but good luck to him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: German James on July 11, 2023, 12:05:54 AM
The more time passes and we're not exactly going on a transfer window trolley-dash, the more bizarre I think it was to let Ash go.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 12:09:22 AM
The more time passes and we're not exactly going on a transfer window trolley-dash, the more bizarre I think it was to let Ash go.

It was probably an "easy" option to get some money off the books. His contract was up, whereas we need someone to actually want to give us money for the dead weight players.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: German James on July 11, 2023, 12:21:45 AM
The more time passes and we're not exactly going on a transfer window trolley-dash, the more bizarre I think it was to let Ash go.

It was probably an "easy" option to get some money off the books. His contract was up, whereas we need someone to actually want to give us money for the dead weight players.
Yeah, that sounds about right. But it's so short sighted. He could have done a job for us in the Europa Conference and the domestic cups and done it with relish, I reckon.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 12:26:31 AM
Yeah, that sounds about right. But it's so short sighted. He could have done a job for us in the Europa Conference and the domestic cups and done it with relish, I reckon.

We'll see where we are at the end of the window but yeah, at the moment I feel the same, especially when there's several players still picking up a wage who are never going to see playing time unless there's a huge injury crisis.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: eamonn on July 11, 2023, 12:47:07 AM
I thought he was the weak link in certain games last year, his lack of stature and muscle no longer offset by the pace he once had.

Gnonto had him on toast at VP a few times and he ball-watched at Brentford as Toney scored his last hurrah goal before being belatedly suspended.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: dave shelley on July 11, 2023, 07:53:23 AM
It might make sense geographically for Young.  I have no idea where he lives but I'd hazard a guess from his time at Manchester United it could be in Cheshire.  Closer to home, Premier League club and probably a decent wedge, it has to be tempting.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 11, 2023, 08:37:01 AM
Good luck to Ash if he signs for Everton. He made it clear at the end of last season that he wanted to stay with us but we let him go.

He was my player of the season last season not only because of his largely excellent performances but also for his nous and leadership. It was often commented on here during and after games that he had that niggly, pain-in-the-arse quality that we have often lacked and which is often necessary to get into the opponent's heads.

We'll miss his experience on the pitch more than anything I'd say.

Still waiting for competition for Matty Cash ...
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: jwarry on July 11, 2023, 09:17:55 AM
Good luck to Ash if he signs for Everton. He made it clear at the end of last season that he wanted to stay with us but we let him go.

He was my player of the season last season not only because of his largely excellent performances but also for his nous and leadership. It was often commented on here during and after games that he had that niggly, pain-in-the-arse quality that we have often lacked and which is often necessary to get into the opponent's heads.

We'll miss his experience on the pitch more than anything I'd say.

Still waiting for competition for Matty Cash ...

The fact we let him go says everything.  They obviously feel he wasn’t going to be good enough to get us where they want to go so I assume they have replacement upgrades in mind
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2023, 09:41:16 AM
Good luck to Ash if he signs for Everton. He made it clear at the end of last season that he wanted to stay with us but we let him go.

He was my player of the season last season not only because of his largely excellent performances but also for his nous and leadership. It was often commented on here during and after games that he had that niggly, pain-in-the-arse quality that we have often lacked and which is often necessary to get into the opponent's heads.

We'll miss his experience on the pitch more than anything I'd say.

Still waiting for competition for Matty Cash ...

The fact we let him go says everything.  They obviously feel he wasn’t going to be good enough to get us where they want to go so I assume they have replacement upgrades in mind

You would hope so, but then we said the same thing about Ings being sold.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 09:42:37 AM
Had a quick look on their forum, my god they're a bunch of twats on there
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: olaftab on July 11, 2023, 09:43:44 AM
Ings was upgraded by not being replaced.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2023, 10:02:04 AM
Had a quick look on their forum, my god they're a bunch of twats on there

Said this for years, Everton fans are absolutely the worst of all the traditional big clubs.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 10:07:27 AM
Had a quick look on their forum, my god they're a bunch of twats on there

Said this for years, Everton fans are absolutely the worst of all the traditional big clubs.

All the self-importance and sactimony of the red half without the success
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 11, 2023, 10:35:21 AM
Had a quick look on their forum, my god they're a bunch of twats on there

Said this for years, Everton fans are absolutely the worst of all the traditional big clubs.

All the self-importance and sactimony of the red half without the success

Have you done a virtual tour of their new stadium though?

Sorry, I've been forced to watch this by an Everton supporting pal of mine which is another reason why their prospective relegation last season would have been so hilarious.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2023, 10:43:27 AM
Ings was upgraded by not being replaced.

We gambled on Watkins staying fit and it worked out.

No chance I want to be risking that in a potential 55-60 game season.

We'll probably pick up an RB near the end of the window unless Konsa is going to be a serious option for that position.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 11, 2023, 10:52:09 AM
There's not a chance Emery would've kept Ings even if his tea leaves had told him WatkIns' season would come to an abrupt end in early February. He's a nominal centre-forward, but that doesn't mean he could do the job for Emery.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2023, 11:04:36 AM
There's not a chance Emery would've kept Ings even if his tea leaves had told him WatkIns' season would come to an abrupt end in early February. He's a nominal centre-forward, but that doesn't mean he could do the job for Emery.

I think Emery was less than impressed with his attemps at concealing his baldness. Looks like he's 'been to Turkey' since, had he done this earlier he may have had a future here.

Matty Cash has been served notice.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2023, 11:11:45 AM
There's not a chance Emery would've kept Ings even if his tea leaves had told him WatkIns' season would come to an abrupt end in early February. He's a nominal centre-forward, but that doesn't mean he could do the job for Emery.

I think Emery was less than impressed with his attemps at concealing his baldness. Looks like he's 'been to Turkey' since, had he done this earlier he may have had a future here.

Matty Cash has been served notice.

I bet he's hoping for an away Conference League tie in Turkey.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: tomd2103 on July 11, 2023, 12:00:54 PM
Had a quick look on their forum, my god they're a bunch of twats on there

Said this for years, Everton fans are absolutely the worst of all the traditional big clubs.

All the self-importance and sactimony of the red half without the success

Spot on.  See also Spurs fans and the 'Toon army'.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2023, 12:18:48 PM
There's not a chance Emery would've kept Ings even if his tea leaves had told him WatkIns' season would come to an abrupt end in early February. He's a nominal centre-forward, but that doesn't mean he could do the job for Emery.

I think Emery was less than impressed with his attemps at concealing his baldness. Looks like he's 'been to Turkey' since, had he done this earlier he may have had a future here.

Matty Cash has been served notice.

I bet he's hoping for an away Conference League tie in Turkey.
The Bandana will be the giveaway!
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: danno on July 11, 2023, 04:13:11 PM
He will know Dyche from his Watford days possibly?  I think I read something along those lines when he signed for us as I think Burnley wanted him too.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: brontebilly on July 11, 2023, 05:03:49 PM
No offence to Young but with resigning likes of Coleman, getting in Young on a free...Everton are already bunking in for another season long relegation battle.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: AV84 on July 11, 2023, 05:15:00 PM
No offence to Young but with resigning likes of Coleman, getting in Young on a free...Everton are already bunking in for another season long relegation battle.

They've been linked with Saint Maximin and I saw reports yesterday saying they'd had a bid accepted for Gnonto from Leeds. I mean, the rumours are massive, but the actual done deals are less so, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Pete3206 on July 11, 2023, 07:37:40 PM
My Everton supporting colleague was less than impressed with the news. He was even less impressed when I informed him that a 38 year old was now their best player.

I meant it as well.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 11, 2023, 07:47:44 PM
I can understand why Everton fans aren't impressed. Where does he fit into their squad of title challenging world class stars?
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 12, 2023, 12:08:10 AM
I was in a pub (The Globe) opposite Baker Street station. There were a couple of Evertonians sat behind me. When they scored their equaliser, they came over and celebrated in front of me. When Young got the winner, I reciprocated and then some. Pretty amazed I didn’t get a kicking.

I did the same, waving Arsenal fans out the pub one Christmas many moons ago. All the Man City fans who had just returned from their game were sure it was going to kick off.

It was probably their first experience of Arsenal being a club of bottlers.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 12, 2023, 09:38:43 AM
Good luck to him. He did well for us last season and was a positive influence.

Hopefully we will bring in someone who is serious competition to Cash over the next few years, if not an obvious upgrade.

Slightly strange that Everton are signing someone aged 38 to compete with their current 34 year-old right back, though f*ck 'em. They are probably in my top three I want to see relegated. UTV.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 10:03:30 AM
Everton had easily the shittest full backs in the league last season That Ukranian lad, God bless him it must be hard with what's going on back home but it doesn't change the fact he's fucking useless at football, and Coleman is well past his sell by date.

Young will be their best full back without doubt, and will be on set piece duty you'd think, a key component in a Dyche team.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2023, 10:42:30 AM
From Ash

Firstly I’d like to thank the players, all of you know what I said I wanted to achieve with you and after all the hard work we managed to achieve that!

Secondly thanks to the managers and staff that believed and trusted in me, you know who you are!

And finally to you the fans who welcomed me back with open arms almost as if I had never left. I wish I was given the chance to say goodbye properly and show my appreciation to you, but I wasn’t given the answers to my questions before the last game of the season. Villa Park will always be a special place to me. UTV. See You Next Season…… Age really is just a number……

https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1679061841157275648?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2023, 10:44:33 AM
From Ash

Firstly I’d like to thank the players, all of you know what I said I wanted to achieve with you and after all the hard work we managed to achieve that!

Secondly thanks to the managers and staff that believed and trusted in me, you know who you are!

And finally to you the fans who welcomed me back with open arms almost as if I had never left. I wish I was given the chance to say goodbye properly and show my appreciation to you, but I wasn’t given the answers to my questions before the last game of the season. Villa Park will always be a special place to me. UTV. See You Next Season…… Age really is just a number……

https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1679061841157275648?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

Ooh, that's a bit of a dig. Club is bigger than the player I'm afraid Ash.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Axl Rose on July 12, 2023, 10:45:18 AM
From Ash

Firstly I’d like to thank the players, all of you know what I said I wanted to achieve with you and after all the hard work we managed to achieve that!

Secondly thanks to the managers and staff that believed and trusted in me, you know who you are!

And finally to you the fans who welcomed me back with open arms almost as if I had never left. I wish I was given the chance to say goodbye properly and show my appreciation to you, but I wasn’t given the answers to my questions before the last game of the season. Villa Park will always be a special place to me. UTV. See You Next Season…… Age really is just a number……

https://twitter.com/youngy18/status/1679061841157275648?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag

We'll no doubt be seeing Ash in our first home game.

All the best to him.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2023, 10:45:18 AM
Little undercurrent of things not being handled very well there. It did look a bit shit that on the last day of the season the Villa pitchside announcer was wasking him if he wanted to stay, Young said he did but it was up to the club, then a few days later it's announced he's leaving.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2023, 10:58:32 AM
Little undercurrent of things not being handled very well there. It did look a bit shit that on the last day of the season the Villa pitchside announcer was wasking him if he wanted to stay, Young said he did but it was up to the club, then a few days later it's announced he's leaving.

I'd say it wasn't handled in the way he wanted, rather than not very well. My guess is that Emery wanted focus on the game, not on contracts etc. If he'd told him he wasn't being kept on, do you think he'd have performed the same way? He may have tried to hard and got carried away, or the opposite.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2023, 11:01:53 AM
A lovely passive-aggressive farewell message. He's a player who did his job, often pretty well, and now he's gone to another club. It happens. Like when he fucked off to Man Utd, for instance.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2023, 11:05:52 AM
He is right to feel however he wants about how it was handled but airing it in public isn’t cool. There was need to have a public dig at the club. He chose to leave us when he could have stayed. We gave him a chance to have another shot at the PL. That stuff he could have kept behind the scenes. It’s disappointing he’s decided to take a dig publicly.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2023, 11:20:37 AM
Little undercurrent of things not being handled very well there. It did look a bit shit that on the last day of the season the Villa pitchside announcer was wasking him if he wanted to stay, Young said he did but it was up to the club, then a few days later it's announced he's leaving.

I'd say it wasn't handled in the way he wanted, rather than not very well. My guess is that Emery wanted focus on the game, not on contracts etc. If he'd told him he wasn't being kept on, do you think he'd have performed the same way? He may have tried to hard and got carried away, or the opposite.

Performed the same way? He didn't play mate.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Clampy on July 12, 2023, 11:27:54 AM
I presume Emery wanted everyone's attention on the game itself. It was a pretty important one after all.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2023, 11:29:59 AM
Little undercurrent of things not being handled very well there. It did look a bit shit that on the last day of the season the Villa pitchside announcer was wasking him if he wanted to stay, Young said he did but it was up to the club, then a few days later it's announced he's leaving.

I'd say it wasn't handled in the way he wanted, rather than not very well. My guess is that Emery wanted focus on the game, not on contracts etc. If he'd told him he wasn't being kept on, do you think he'd have performed the same way? He may have tried to hard and got carried away, or the opposite.

Performed the same way? He didn't play mate.

He was on the bench. So perhaps it need phrasing slightly differently, 'If he'd been called upon to play,'
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 12, 2023, 11:42:29 AM
I think he'd have played just the same, and it's a shame he wasn't given the chance to say his farewells to the fans.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2023, 11:46:34 AM
I think he'd have played just the same, and it's a shame he wasn't given the chance to say his farewells to the fans.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 11:49:25 AM
I think it was more the focus of the whole team on the objective, I'm sure I read all contract talks were shelved until the season was finished, including those we'd been keen on keeping like Watkins.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2023, 11:55:18 AM
I think it was more the focus of the whole team on the objective, I'm sure I read all contract talks were shelved until the season was finished, including those we'd been keen on keeping like Watkins.

I understand that, but then they also knew that there weren't going to be any talks with Young. I just think he deserved a bit better.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2023, 11:58:15 AM
Maybe, but it's a shit business.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: chrisw1 on July 12, 2023, 12:01:14 PM
He got a pretty decent send off anyway and I think was treated brilliantly by the fans.  Overall it was a very good signing for us and him.  I was a bit surprised by the level of affection for him given when he left us, but he earned his plaudits with his performances and overall attitude.

Given the size of our squad and the fact Moreno is injured, I'm surprised he wasn't given one more year, but there's very little sentimentality in elite football.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Dogtanian on July 12, 2023, 12:06:06 PM
Maybe, but it's a shit business.

He had a good run though.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 12, 2023, 12:09:13 PM
It's always what's best for the club for me.  Players naturally see it all about themselves just like it was all about himself choosing to go to ManU years ago.  Not much about  goodbyes then were there? I like Young and think he had a great part in our progress this last season but the reality was that he was a back up signing when he came back to us.  That he played his way into a starter place is great credit to him but it wasn't the reason he was signed.

In any case, with the amount of Social Media platforms there are now there's little need to feel you're missing out on any goodbyes.

He's right though about one thing, age is really only a number, at 38 though and playing football at the highest level are not that compatible for a whole season given we have Euro football too.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: chrisw1 on July 12, 2023, 12:30:04 PM
No but you'd still be happy to have him play for a few weeks if Digne gets injured before Moreno is back or on the bench if we don't get a new right back before the season starts. 
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Villan82 on July 12, 2023, 12:58:53 PM
It's funny in football. When a player like Yorke, Young or Joe does the dirty on the ordinary fans by jumping at the chance to move, the ordinary fans are meant to 'suck it up' and appreciate that the player is 'too good' for them and now has 'something better'.

Then years later the likes of Yorke moan, constantly, that we wouldn't give him a coaching job and now Young out there crying that we didn't give him another year or a proper send off. Maybe they should just suck it up and appreciate that we want to move on to something better?

Villa come first for me.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2023, 01:06:14 PM
He wasn't bothered about farewells the first time, iirc he even came out with the classic "I won't make a decision about my future until the season has finished".
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 12, 2023, 01:11:33 PM
Thanks for everything
Goodbye
Next?
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2023, 01:29:56 PM
A bit odd though that the pitchside announcer (a Villa employee presumably) after the Brighton game asked him if he would be staying on for another year. Surely whoever that was should have been given the memo that contracts weren't to be talked about if it had been decided that nothing was going to happen before the end of the season? Young announced to the whole stadium that he wanted to stay, but that it was the club's decision. A few days later and it's announced that he's been let go. I bet he felt a bit of a wally and is probably why he's reacted like he has in that statement.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2023, 02:10:03 PM
A bit odd though that the pitchside announcer (a Villa employee presumably) after the Brighton game asked him if he would be staying on for another year. Surely whoever that was should have been given the memo that contracts weren't to be talked about if it had been decided that nothing was going to happen before the end of the season? Young announced to the whole stadium that he wanted to stay, but that it was the club's decision. A few days later and it's announced that he's been let go. I bet he felt a bit of a wally and is probably why he's reacted like he has in that statement.

That's the bit I think was off as well, I think it was pretty well established that we weren't talking about contracts until the end of the season so the announcer really should've known better.
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: PeterWithe on July 14, 2023, 08:28:20 AM
It really is the mildest of digs isn’t it?
Title: Re: Ashley Young (Goodbye and thank you)
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 22, 2023, 04:03:06 PM
Pre season match Wigan 0-1 Everton - Ashley Young scored he's the stand out player on the  pitch
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