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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2021, 04:02:36 PM
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There’s no worse position in sport than being an Aston Villa team leading at home to Manchester United.
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Same old shit, just a different day.
Douglas Luiz is a complete liability. I really hope City buy him back for £30m. He's a non-scoring midfielder who constantly gives away free-kicks in dangerous areas and really stupid, I'm talking imbecile level penalties away.
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That just reminded me quite how much I loathe that club.
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Luiz fucked up, mings made his usual fuck up, but I bet the ref gets the blame on here.
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Weak is how I’d describe it. Very soft goals to concede. Midfield too often looks to chip it over the top and we lose it. We need to be better in the midfield and when transitioning from defence to midfield. Also can we get a fucking set piece coach in.
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It’s the hope that kills you.
It really does.
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Naivety as an athlete or as a team is what divides the good from the great.
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Super performance in the first half, but we give a stupid penalty away and completely lose our heads. Denied a blatant penalty, but in the end we got what we deserved . Watkins was a disgrace as well.
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Hate it when your team loses and yet your players are still grinning and chatting with their pals at full time
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Luiz fucked up, mings made his usual fuck up, but I bet the ref gets the blame on here.
if anyone fucked up -it was Martinez. He should have saved that comfortably.
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The sun, the moon and Villa getting shafted against Yanited. I really don't like slating referees as a general rule but that was an outrageously poor performance from Kavanagh.
Going forward we looked much better again and against any other side in world football I imagine we'd have taken at least a point.
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It's always the most irritating loss of the season. I wish Barkley had played.
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Luiz fucked up, mings made his usual fuck up, but I bet the ref gets the blame on here.
Yes to the first . ???? to the second - and the ref's treatment of our players compared to theirs needs has to to take some blame.
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Until we match them in the way they influence every single decision in the game, we'll never beat them.
They have the referee in the palm of their hands.
We need to crowd the ref, appeal for that fucking handball. Roll around and scream for a free kick or the inevitable penalty,
Chris Kavanagh - job done as far as he’s concerned. Sure he’ll get a bonus for that.
Finally, is there a bigger c**t in world football than Bruno Fernandes?
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Can't believe how thick Luiz was. Start of second half and they've upped the tempo and are pushing more forward and he keeps nibbling at Pogba and basically just gives a goal away.
Considering what happened in January I find it inexplicable.
We lost belief after that and as usual in this fixture they took full advantage.
How that wasn't a penalty for the handball is beyond me though.
Cavani is a bloody good striker to bring on for last 20 minutes, he tracked back well and class run and finish. Still would like one of those types in our squad, someone who can come on in second half and quickly get into pace of the game and score the odd goal.
Davis put himself about as usual but deciding not to shoot and square it to Ollie sums him up at key moments, just dosen't have that killer mentality.
Will be interested to see how we line up on Thursday. If it goes badly (against a team we dominated a week ago) then I wouldn't say it's a good thing in the long run as expecting Ollie to play every minute of every game next season aswell is a bit complacent.
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Hate it when your team loses and yet your players are still grinning and chatting with their pals at full time
Because to them it is a game, it is a sport and it is a profession. They know each other personally in many cases. I have never seen the issue with that before or after the game.
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You’re right SE, Barkley really must start in our next match!!
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Hardly an impartial official.
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Just forfeit this fixture each year and at least we won't have to watch them get their 3 points.
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Massively disappointing second half, but thought we were good value for a half-time lead. Their first two goals were very bad defensive mistakes, rather than being 'earned', which is disappointing. Their 3rd was a good goal, but at least we were going for it by that point.
I'm still furious about the Ollie sending off - I want to see a replay that shows clear daylight between him and Henderson, or I'll remain convinced that's a horrific decision.
One day we'll put a solid 90 minutes in against this lot, rather than a decent half and ultimately capitulating.
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Hardly an impartial official.
He wasn’t even trying to hide the fact he wasn’t impartial in the end.
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It’s shit there is no doubting it. But the next version of Aston Villa needs to be one that takes points off Man City or Man U. We’ve done it against most of the others this season which in of itself is remarkable a year after we just stayed up.
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Manure benefit from dodgy decisions.. I’m shocked.
Their most prolific tactic is to hunt for penalties. It’s pretty pathetic quite frankly. Totally flipped the game and hopefully the rest of the clubs in the league continue to give them stick for it and their greedy ulterior motives.
I thought we played pretty well for the majority of the match. Though I wasn’t expecting to win, getting shafted every time we play them is getting pretty old - could do with a fair and balanced match for once.
Referee from Manchester, Ollie haven’t to make his mind up whether to eat 8 metal studs or jump to avoid them, two handballs in the box - no call.. it’s all par for the course with this league.
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Until we match them in the way they influence every single decision in the game, we'll never beat them.
They have the referee in the palm of their hands.
We need to crowd the ref, appeal for that fucking handball. Roll around and scream for a free kick or the inevitable penalty,
Chris Kavanagh - job done as far as he’s concerned. Sure he’ll get a bonus for that.
Finally, is there a bigger c**t in world football than Bruno Fernandes?
I think that's an interesting point.
Take the Greenwood handball. We should've instantly taken one of theirs out to stop the game or just boot the ball out of play and crowd the ref as doing that I reckon he'd have gone over to the monitor to have a look.
Instead play went on for about five minutes without ball going out somehow and bet at VAR Hq they couldn't believe their luck in that the incident could just be dismissed given the length of time passed.
All very frustrating.
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At least this game is always good for making a few quid when we take the lead.
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Hate that club
Luiz twice in two games against them.
Thought we played well at 1-2 and fancied our chances.
Barkley back to usual anonymous self
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I'm honestly not bothered now if Luiz stays or goes back to Man City. He's done next to nothing in a positive sense for months, and most in most games he's getting booked for stupid fouls, as well as shit penalties against Man U.
Barkley should have been fucked off weeks ago, useless fat bastard.
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We got what we all expected. Pity as we looked fairly comfortable up to Luiz gifting a penalty. Game changer.
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It’s the hope that kills you.
It really does.
What hope? We never win against this lot at home. Even if we equalized they would have got another in extra, extra time.
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Super performance in the first half, but we give a stupid penalty away and completely lose our heads. Denied a blatant penalty, but in the end we got what we deserved . Watkins was a disgrace as well.
Why was he a disgrace? Been fucking great for us all season, worked his bollocks off.
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Can someone explain to me why there is only one camera replay position for Ollie’ sending off, or was it just the stream I was watching? Surely this was a potential wrong decision so VAR should have been all over it? Am I missing something?
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Surprised to see SKY not bother to look at the Greenwood handball.......
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We don’t help ourselves. We are 1 nil up , get in at half time and do nothing to shore up the problems of the first half. We inevitably concede and then lose.
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One day I will watch this fixture and we won't concede a penalty, brainless from Luiz he committed quite a few needless fouls in and around the box all season.
Quality goal from Bert but individual errors cost us dearly.
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Same old shit, just a different day.
Douglas Luiz is a complete liability. I really hope City buy him back for £30m. He's a non-scoring midfielder who constantly gives away free-kicks in dangerous areas and really stupid, I'm talking imbecile level penalties away.
Thought he was playing pretty well up to that point but that's just a different level of idiocy from him.
Really don't get why McGinn is RCM and Luiz LCM. No wonder we can't keep any sustained level of possession with our holding midfielders turning onto their weaker sides constantly.
Thought we were unsurprisingly outclassed over the 90 mins really. Traore a liability without the ball but possibly our best player with it. It has been said countless times but no point in the Barkley experiment continuing. Let's try Traore there instead.
Terrible individual defending for the goals we conceded. I'd like to know how many goals Martinez has been at fault for since January. It seems like a lot. Mings diving in unnecessarily for the second didn't help. Cash caught yet again on his heels for the third.
Martinez 5, Cash 5, Konsa 7, Mings 6, Targett 6, Luiz 5 (Ramsey 5), McGinn 7, Traore 7, Barkley 4 (Davis 6), Watkins 5, AEG 6 (Wes 5).
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Regarding the first XI,
To be top four keep
Play Martinez, McGinn higher up and Grealish. The Rest on the bench
To be top 8:
Play Martinez , Konsa, Targett, Mcginn, Grealish, Watkins
The rest rest on the bench
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I'm honestly not bothered now if Luiz stays or goes back to Man City. He's done next to nothing in a positive sense for months, and most in most games he's getting booked for stupid fouls, as well as shit penalties against Man U.
Barkley should have been fucked off weeks ago, useless fat bastard.
Luiz is still only 23 and is fine as a second option. I do think we need to upgrade there though. Ross Barkley might be shit, but he’s not fat
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It's always the most irritating loss of the season. I wish Barkley had played.
😂 well played that made me laugh (otherwise I’d cry). The silver lining is he is not on a five year, 100k/week, contract.
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There were three clear penalties in that game. They got one because Luiz was too eager to win the ball and we got nothing and a striker sent off for our trouble. Nothing ever changes with referees (including those on VAR) and that lot.
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Good finish Traore, but shouldn't have been allowed the chance.
Shit by Luiz.
Shit by Mings.
Good goal for them.
Handball would have been given the other way.
Better from us when Davis and Wesley came on.
Davis should have shot.
Never a yellow (and therefore red) for Watkins.
Fucked off again. We need to get better. We are getting better. We will beat this lot and when we do we'll be a team to watch.
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We started by not having confidence in ourselves that we could handle them, gradually grew into it then undid it all with Luiz’s stupid actions. Then to just finish it off don’t get any tight decisions which might have got us back into the game.
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Luiz fucked up, mings made his usual fuck up, but I bet the ref gets the blame on here.
Are you only on here to antagonise other Villa fans? We’re going to be hurting today anyway (as we tend to every time we play these lot). What’s the point of you coming on here with this bullshit.
I’ve enjoyed this season, it’s been a lot of fun for the most part. We’ve had some good, some bad and some very memorable times. We’ve got a very solid foundation for the next step in our progress from the shit we’ve had since around 2011.
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Thought McGinn was far and away our best player tbh.
Given him stick at times this season but he tracked back well and hardly gave it away at all which is a problem in these type of games usually.
Good performance from him today, let down by his midfield partners I'm afraid. Barkley as usual missing against this type of opposition and Luiz being an idiot.
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I'm honestly not bothered now if Luiz stays or goes back to Man City. He's done next to nothing in a positive sense for months, and most in most games he's getting booked for stupid fouls, as well as shit penalties against Man U.
Barkley should have been fucked off weeks ago, useless fat bastard.
Luiz is still only 23 and is fine as a second option. I do think we need to upgrade there though. Ross Barkley might be shit, but he’s not fat
In football terms 23 ain’t that young is it really, he should no better, don’t understand why he plays Barkley he’s shit and offers very little. Why not give the youth a chance especially with us being safe.
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I hope our lot learned a bit about proffesionalism today. United used every trick in the book we were very naive.
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Should have had 2 penalties.
2 daft goals to give away.
Commentators want firing into the sun, along with Fernandes and the assortment of ****** that play for them.
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I think today proved we are just a mid table team. No more than that. Slightly higher with Jack. Something we need to build on in the summer. A number of these players won’t be starters come August one would hope.
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Naivety as an athlete or as a team is what divides the good from the great.
Luiz does it constantly. Unnecessary tackles in or around the box.
Souness got it right when he said that this sort of challenge should be out of your system when you're a youth player.
Luiz's continued naivety is astounding.
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Will be interested to see how we line up on Thursday. If it goes badly (against a team we dominated a week ago) then I wouldn't say it's a good thing in the long run as expecting Ollie to play every minute of every game next season aswell is a bit complacent.
Complacent? He wa the only fit striker we had for most of the season?!?
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Until we match them in the way they influence every single decision in the game, we'll never beat them.
They have the referee in the palm of their hands.
We need to crowd the ref, appeal for that fucking handball. Roll around and scream for a free kick or the inevitable penalty,
Chris Kavanagh - job done as far as he’s concerned. Sure he’ll get a bonus for that.
Finally, is there a bigger c**t in world football than Bruno Fernandes?
I think that's an interesting point.
Take the Greenwood handball. We should've instantly taken one of theirs out to stop the game or just boot the ball out of play and crowd the ref as doing that I reckon he'd have gone over to the monitor to have a look.
Instead play went on for about five minutes without ball going out somehow and bet at VAR Hq they couldn't believe their luck in that the incident could just be dismissed given the length of time passed.
All very frustrating.
That's exactly how I was seeing it is as we were fannying about with the ball going absolutely nowhere for what seemed like an age, after the incident.
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At half time I thought we were going to finally do it, how naive was I. Simply don't know what Luiz was thinking and their 2nd was poor from both Emi and Tyrone. Did think it should have been penalty for us, but 2nd half display was very disappointing. Depressed I am.
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I think today proved we are just a mid table team. No more than that. Slightly higher with Jack. Something we need to build on in the summer. A number of these players won’t be starters come August one would hope.
Is the right answer. Last season we were a potential relegation team so we are moving in the right direction. I’m really hoping next season Yanited will not be looking forward to this fixture
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We will never beat them when the rules don't apply to them like they do to us.
Greenwood blocks a header and handles it with his arm stretched out. Henderson kicks Watkins in the knee.
No penalty.
Fernandes stamps on Konsa, doesn't get sent off, gets penalty. Pogba berates Shaw for staying on his feet, minutes later kicks his own heels and dives.
Penalties.
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Naivety as an athlete or as a team is what divides the good from the great.
Souness got it right when he said that this sort of challenge should be out of your system when you're a youth player.
Souness' advice on tackling should be taken in the same spirit as Fred West's on parenting.
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It had to happen eventually, but Thursday night we get to see the current Villa side without Watkins. Not a great prospect.
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It had to happen eventually, but Thursday night we get to see the current Villa side without Watkins. Not a great prospect.
yes but Barkley will be up for it ;)
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It had to happen eventually, but Thursday night we get to see the current Villa side without Watkins. Not a great prospect.
But with Jack ... possibly.
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The frustrating thing is all our players are capable of having a blinding game.
But it’s’ generally 1 in 6.
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Luiz should know by now that tackling inside your own penalty area was outlawed years ago.
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Commentators want firing into the sun, along with Fernandes and the assortment of ****** that play for them.
I'm fairly certain it's the commentators who make me unable to watch us on TV. I can normally listen on the radio, but commentators on TV are uniformly dullards with absurd voices who make absolutely no effort to objectively summarise the game.
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For anyone who still thinks Ollie wasn't touched. Absolutely outrageous decision. I think Smith will be fuming when he sees there was clear contact, and on video.
https://twitter.com/Smithinks/status/1391414075356286984
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It had to happen eventually, but Thursday night we get to see the current Villa side without Watkins. Not a great prospect.
But with Jack ... possibly.
With Europe effectively gone today - I would rest Jack for the rest of the season.
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Luiz should know by now that tackling inside your own penalty area was outlawed years ago.
It was really fucking stupid and unnecessary.
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A largely unenjoyable game. Massively loathe those red fucks.
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No contact, no pen, clear dive, send him off. Outrageous.
(https://i.ibb.co/t8gx8xf/ollie-watkins-pe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t8gx8xf)
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No contact, no pen, clear dive, send him off. Outrageous.
(https://i.ibb.co/t8gx8xf/ollie-watkins-pe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t8gx8xf)
It's OK. Henderson was pulling out the challenge. If you check the rules under s.4, it clearly states "penalty, unless its Man United in which case they can do what the fuck they want".
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Will be interested to see how we line up on Thursday. If it goes badly (against a team we dominated a week ago) then I wouldn't say it's a good thing in the long run as expecting Ollie to play every minute of every game next season aswell is a bit complacent.
Complacent? He wa the only fit striker we had for most of the season?!?
I expected us to sign another striker last summer after the Wilson move fell through so that's the complacency I'm talking about.
Brilliant Ollie's been available for every game so far up to Thursday but he won't be for Everton so we'll see what's going on against a team we played very well against all of 8 days ago.
I don't really want to go into a situation next season where Watkins gets a Grealish type 2-3 month injury and we just have this type of back up available.
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I thought their savior CR7 created the precedent that there doesn’t necessarily have to be contact to impede a player, resulting in a foul.
Am I wrong?
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Regarding the first XI,
To be top four keep
Play Martinez, McGinn higher up and Grealish. The Rest on the bench
To be top 8:
Play Martinez , Konsa, Targett, Mcginn, Grealish, Watkins
The rest rest on the bench
The back 5 plus Grealish and Watkins are good enough to be in a team challenging for top 4 IMO. If we had 3 more players in the first XI that actually posed more problems for other teams than Bert, El Ghazi and Barkley the defence would be under a lot less pressure.
Add a couple of really good central midfielders and we’re in business.
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No contact, no pen, clear dive, send him off. Outrageous.
(https://i.ibb.co/t8gx8xf/ollie-watkins-pe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t8gx8xf)
It's OK. Henderson was pulling out the challenge. If you check the rules under s.4, it clearly states "penalty, unless its Man United in which case they can do what the fuck they want".
Ollie obviously saw this coming and got his legs off the ground to avoid a potential ruptured ACL
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Just when I thought I couldn't hate them any more than I already do they go on to demonstrate why they have the owners they deserve.
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I know I’ve said it before, but why aren’t we surrounding the ref?
Why aren’t we trying to influence him? We just meekly accepted it. Just like the handball.
If that had been them, the outcome would be completely different.
That was staggeringly corrupt from Chris Kavanagh, all day. How many fouls before they got a card? We got the first talking to, and then later the first yellow.
Smith should be fucking fuming. That’s every bit as bad as Kevin Friend.
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Putting the result to one side...
.....it's fucking cheating.
Fuck them and the ref, fucking wankers.
It was cheating under that whiskey faced ****** as well, not Fergie Time. Bottling mandatory yellows and ignoring handballs.
Fuck the absolute lot of 'em.
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I know I’ve said it before, but why aren’t we surrounding the ref?
Why aren’t we trying to influence him? We just meekly accepted it. Just like the handball.
If that had been them, the outcome would be completely different.
That was staggeringly corrupt from Chris Kavanagh, all day. How many fouls before they got a card? We got the first talking to, and then later the first yellow.
Smith should be fucking fuming. That’s every bit as bad as Kevin Friend.
agree, we are just too nice, we never complain never demonstrate.
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No contact, no pen, clear dive, send him off. Outrageous.
(https://i.ibb.co/t8gx8xf/ollie-watkins-pe.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t8gx8xf)
What I don't get is how that is a yellow card and a dive but the 2 Pogba has bought from Luiz and Fernandes ones were all given as penalties. I'm not blaming the ref for the result but the amount of Villa fans who will accept a ref like today frustrates the fuck out of me. There were 3 penalty shouts today and for me all 3 should've been given, I also think he needed to have some balls and book them for professional fouls in the first half.
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And when Kane does something like that it's 'clever'.
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It’s unbelievable how games against them follow the same pattern.
And I have no doubt, that if the ball had gone out within five seconds of the handball he would have been sent to the monitor. Arm in the air and away from the body, it’s a handball. We are too naive and nice and have been for years. We have to change our mindset.
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Luiz makes a mistake, Mings gets done and Martinez should of done better, cash loses Cavani but he’s a class act. However I thought we played quite well, I like the fact we went for it and we should of had two pens, if Ollie doesn’t wrongly get sent off and we score that pen, 2-3 with a few mins to go, I fancy us to equalise. Sky sports commentary, terrible, joking at beginning of 2nd half on which minute Man U would equalise, showed the Ollie challenge once only, if that was at the other end, do you imagine!
Can the second yellow for Ollie be rescinded?
Either way, deflating but not bit terrible and some really good performances, Konsa, Targett, McGinn in particular
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It’s unbelievable how games against them follow the same pattern.
And I have no doubt, that if the ball had gone out within five seconds of the handball he would have been sent to the monitor. Arm in the air and away from the body, it’s a handball. We are too naive and nice and have been for years. We have to change our mindset.
We need a legitimate, ruthless leader.
Edit: It's usually just McGinn that throws his palms up to protest. Traore, El Ghazi, Ollie, etc never so much as raise their voice.
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It would be interesting to see some stats on how long Sky spend analysing contentious incidents that go in favour of the Wankathon Teams, as compared with those that go against them.
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And when Kane does something like that it's 'clever'.
Kane makes sure he gets contact first, as would Grealish....didn't think Watkins was 'clever' enough for that incident to be honest.
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It’s unbelievable how games against them follow the same pattern.
And I have no doubt, that if the ball had gone out within five seconds of the handball he would have been sent to the monitor. Arm in the air and away from the body, it’s a handball. We are too naive and nice and have been for years. We have to change our mindset.
We need a legitimate, ruthless leader.
Edit: It's usually just McGinn that throws his palms up to protest. Traore, El Ghazi, Ollie, etc never so much as raise their voice.
Wherever they play, some personalities like Peter Withe, Roy Keane and John Terry on the firm.
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Luiz fucked up, mings made his usual fuck up, but I bet the ref gets the blame on here.
You team managed to avoid relegation to League 1 so well done.
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And when Kane does something like that it's 'clever'.
Kane makes sure he gets contact first, as would Grealish....didn't think Watkins was 'clever' enough for that incident to be honest.
Whether you see it as clever or ensuring you don't rupture a ligament.. it wasn't a yellow card. Awfully brazen of a referee to hand out a yellow in the dying minutes of a 2 goal game to a striker facing the knee high studs of a reckless goalkeeper. Then you remind yourself who we're up against - and it all makes sense. The VAR review took less than 5 seconds which tells you all you need to know. No concern for the safety of Ollie, but instead ensuring their rationale to give the advantage to manu.
Unfortunately, its nothing out of the ordinary and every club in the league expects things like this. Corruption.
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I despise those cheating tossers and wont watch another game against them. Umpteen years of the same outcomes and biased decisions is like groundhog day and enough is enough.
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It’s the hope that kills you.
It really does.
I’ll take your word for it.
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I didn't watch the game, so can't comment on performance. I see red scum got their usual penalty.
The match was officiated by someone from Manchester; dodgy or what? Thanks Smithy for the still of Ollie. Watkins getting sent off for simulation is laughable when the simulator-in-chief (the arrogant f-ckwit pogba) is on the pitch.
F-ck manu, f-ck their sh-t fans and f-ck the blatant biased coverage and decisions they get.
UTV!
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I despise those cheating tossers and wont watch another game against them. Umpteen years of the same outcomes and biased decisions is like groundhog day and enough is enough.
I will follow this example. It's ludicrous how predictable these games are.
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There were some good performances,especially in defence with Targett being outstanding.McGinn played well and so did Dougie until the manupenalty,one word,which is a special feature of their games.
We looked better when the ineffective Barkley was replaced.Ramsey looked sharp in a 2 man central midfield .Davis once again bullied a central defender and Traore looks dangerous the closer he is to the opposition box and further away from ours.
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Dean Smith saying that the penalty decision for foul on Pogba was 'pathetic'. There were a number of things in this game to question but not that. Hope instead he and the coaches have a word with Luiz.
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It’s unbelievable how games against them follow the same pattern.
And I have no doubt, that if the ball had gone out within five seconds of the handball he would have been sent to the monitor. Arm in the air and away from the body, it’s a handball. We are too naive and nice and have been for years. We have to change our mindset.
We need a legitimate, ruthless leader.
Edit: It's usually just McGinn that throws his palms up to protest. Traore, El Ghazi, Ollie, etc never so much as raise their voice.
Imagine how Peter Withe would have reacted
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Dean Smith saying that the penalty decision for foul on Pogba was 'pathetic'. There were a number of things in this game to question but not that. Hope instead he and the coaches have a word with Luiz.
Stonewall penalty...defending Luiz is pathetic. He had done the hard part too, got back goal side of Pogba and turned him away from goal.
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Dean Smith saying that the penalty decision for foul on Pogba was 'pathetic'. There were a number of things in this game to question but not that. Hope instead he and the coaches have a word with Luiz.
Stonewall penalty...defending Luiz is pathetic. He had done the hard part too, got back goal side of Pogba and turned him away from goal.
Pogba new exactly what he was doing. Facing away from goal, baiting the contact - it was pathetic. Albeit, a penalty.
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I bet that's the complete opposite of what DS has said in the dressing room.
Him taking off Luiz 10 minutes later said it all.
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I didn't see Ollie even appealing for anything, if he had of taken a dive with no contact and appealed for a pen then fair enough but it looked like the keeper caught his knee and Ollie didn't even appeal so how can it be deemed as a dive?
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I long for the day when we have a team good enough to twat these ******. That's one of the reason I like what's happened at man city. Despite their dirty money at least they have turned around a similar situation to us and now regularly smack these fuckers. Long may it stay that way and sooner we can start doing that the better this world will be.
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Luiz fucked up, mings made his usual fuck up, but I bet the ref gets the blame on here.
What’s that smell?
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Dean Smith saying that the penalty decision for foul on Pogba was 'pathetic'. There were a number of things in this game to question but not that. Hope instead he and the coaches have a word with Luiz.
Stonewall penalty...defending Luiz is pathetic. He had done the hard part too, got back goal side of Pogba and turned him away from goal.
Pogba new exactly what he was doing. Facing away from goal, baiting the contact - it was pathetic. Albeit, a penalty.
Yes, Smith should have been directing his ire towards the other end of the pitch. Konsa and Cash were both giving Luiz stick. He made it it far too easy for Pogba to go down.
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Usually I see accusations of biased refereering as being from bad losers but it happens too often against these for there not to be something in it.
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Luiz fucked up, mings made his usual fuck up, but I bet the ref gets the blame on here.
You were trying to claim that the handball wasn't a penalty in the match thread. Safe to say you're just on the windup.
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I didn't see Ollie even appealing for anything, if he had of taken a dive with no contact and appealed for a pen then fair enough but it looked like the keeper caught his knee and Ollie didn't even appeal so how can it be deemed as a dive?
Same as Grealish when goal not Given at C.Palace despite him not appealing
Sure club will challenge the 2nd yellow
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I didn't see Ollie even appealing for anything, if he had of taken a dive with no contact and appealed for a pen then fair enough but it looked like the keeper caught his knee and Ollie didn't even appeal so how can it be deemed as a dive?
We're the team that had a goal disallowed because Grealish passed as he was being tackled and he'd therefore dived.
We're the team that had rodri come back from 20 yards offside to tackle our defender and score and they twisted the rules to allow it to stand.
We're the only team to be convicted of tapping up a player they didn't sign.
I've given up expecting rules to be applied sensibly where we're concerned.
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I didn't see Ollie even appealing for anything, if he had of taken a dive with no contact and appealed for a pen then fair enough but it looked like the keeper caught his knee and Ollie didn't even appeal so how can it be deemed as a dive?
Same as Grealish when goal not Given at C.Palace despite him not appealing
Sure club will challenge the 2nd yellow
you cannot appeal a yellow card
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I long for the day when we have a team good enough to twat these ******. That's one of the reason I like what's happened at man city. Despite their dirty money at least they have turned around a similar situation to us and now regularly smack these fuckers. Long may it stay that way and sooner we can start doing that the better this world will be.
This this this.
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Luiz had a great game, until the brainless challenge on a man with form for penalty-winning.
McGinn played very well, as did the back four; for most of the match. I thought Mings was a little naive for their second, and Targett failed to close down Rashfood for their third.
I thought Barkley played okay for the first half but was pretty anonymous in the second.
The whole team seemed to tire for the last 15 minutes.
What I learned from that game was that (i) we need to have a squad that we can rotate more, next season; (ii) playing two wingers who are unable to cover back is leaving us too open without the ball; (iii) we couldn't deal with a team that ran at us in the second half.
I've said before, I'd prefer to use players like Traore and AEG as impact subs and to start with a 4-5-1 or 3-5-2 line-up using dynamic, energetic and skilful fullbacks and midfielders to provide width as required.
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Luiz fucked up, mings made his usual fuck up, but I bet the ref gets the blame on here.
Are you only on here to antagonise other Villa fans?
Yes
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Enough now Mods get rid of this idiot
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I didn't see Ollie even appealing for anything, if he had of taken a dive with no contact and appealed for a pen then fair enough but it looked like the keeper caught his knee and Ollie didn't even appeal so how can it be deemed as a dive?
Same as Grealish when goal not Given at C.Palace despite him not appealing
Sure club will challenge the 2nd yellow
you cannot appeal a yellow card
Yeah you are right, interesting to see how we will line up without Watkins
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Andy Hinchcliffe take a bow. The most biased, one-sided commentary ever, topped by his 'his hand was not in an unnatural position, it's never a penalty' comment. The smug smartarse. Even when i'm not particularly interested in the two teams playing, his comments drive me up the wall.
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Bad mistake from Doug he needs to stop those. He should be acutely aware that of all the teams that try to buy pens Manure are the kings of this cynical approach. I still think Doug will be a cracking player, but he needs a break to refresh.
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Andy Hinchcliffe take a bow. The most biased, one-sided commentary ever, topped by his 'his hand was not in an unnatural position, it's never a penalty' comment. The smug smartarse. Even when i'm not particularly interested in the two teams playing, his comments drive me up the wall.
Completely agree with this, he’s awful every time he co-commentates. He was the one just after half time joking about which minute Man U would equalise, disgusting. The most one eyed co commentator ever. Have to say BT is far more superior to this shower in sky. I literally cannot bear that fucker souness
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Luiz fucked up, mings made his usual fuck up, but I bet the ref gets the blame on here.
What’s that smell?
The goal wasn’t Mings’ fault. Konsa lost concentration.
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I long for the day when we have a team good enough to twat these ******. That's one of the reason I like what's happened at man city. Despite their dirty money at least they have turned around a similar situation to us and now regularly smack these fuckers. Long may it stay that way and sooner we can start doing that the better this world will be.
This this this.
Thirded
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12301960/united-make-city-wait-for-title
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Not angry at the result - Just a feeling of inevitability.
It's a generation since we beat this stinking lot at home, so after going 1-0 up, my gut said they'd grab their standard penalty and go on from there. And as sure as night turns into day, there it was! :(
Martinez - Should have done better for the Greenwood goal (and possibly went to early for big ears' penalty)
Targett - One of our better players. As one of his biggest critics last season (and early this season up to Liverpool game), I'd say he's up there for player of the season.
Mings - Got done by Greenwood, but generally assured.
Konsa - Improved performance on Everton game
Cash - Jury is stilll out for me. Yes, he needs more protection from the right winger, but still don't see that he's a better option than Freddie.
McGinn - Our best midfielder today by a mile. Passing was improved on Everton game too.
Doug - Thought he was playing well until the Pogba brain fart
Barkley - No. Just no.
Traore - Sparks of quality, great goal, but needs to work MUCH harder without the ball.
El Ghazi - He'll make way for Jack against Everton hopefully - Not great today. We're due El Goalzi turning up soon surely, rather than El Garbage?
Watkins - Quite blunt up front today. Can only remember him having the one chance just before HT? Silly attempt at getting a penalty against this lot when already on a yellow.
*Smith should have brought Davis on much earlier to help share the burden up front.
One day. One day we WILL beat this lot! Realised today that yes, I still hate Man United.
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And the ref being from Manchester? But doesn’t support a team. Come on ! I’ve never in my 55 years on the planet known any football fan who doesn’t declare even a vague affinity for a team. Who does his Dad support then? It’s complete bollox said to fit the fact that he’s a high quality ref (he is of course) that they want to use. Just don’t give him games involving them it’s not hard.
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The decision to send Watkins off is about as bad a decision as I’ve seen. Awful.
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I think i'm more pissed off with Luiz than Manchester born Kavanagh.
We must of worked all fucking week on not giving them the opportunity to flop over in the area. Stupid, stupid decision.
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A mad three minutes killed us and Cavani coming on didn't help, he was great. A bit more belief and a better referee, we would have got something out of the game. I wasn't sure what the Ramsey sub was about, that didn't help at all. Chucky for Barkley would have been my choice.
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McGinn and Targett best Villa players and I rate as highest performers and matched anyone of the opposition.
McGinn shades my villa player of the match.
But Matt Targett continues to be impressive though lacking ultimate quality in delivery offered some but defensively think he's been great today and most improved.
To an extent Watkins Konsa, Mings, Cash and Traroe played well in lots of periods in first half especially and Villa had spells in second at 1-1 and 2-1 down especially but limited and my main two identify stand out are the quality and consistent of McGinn or Targett in recent matches continued.
Martinez 7.
Good, composed but may have done better with Greenwood goal
Cash 7.
Pretty good tbf considering he wasn't getting great cover and support from Bertie .
Targett 7.5.
solid along with McGinn is the form player who has been consistent 7+ ratings.
Mings 6
Solid first half will be disappointed with goal by Greenwood
Konsa 6.5
Better of the 2 defenders this time. Did his best not to react to Rashford fouling him but drawn into drama. Was undine by Cavani Movement but much better than in previous matches
McGinn 7.5.
Form player. And high level continues. Good Energy and held Midfield together. As mentioned last week. He's been carrying Douglas and today he was outstanding in his pressing and passing . Marked down half point as booked.
Douglas Luiz 5
Not good enough today casual and foolish for pen
Have had concerns for weeks now on his displays as observed. I've made comments ill discipline and wa no surprise he gives away a pen rightly subbed.
Barkley 6.5.
Started slow. Corners were woeful. Has a fre kick opportunity complete waste with his shot grew into fane but was largely awol and not enough impact in match til 2-1 down then subbed
El Ghazi 6
Subbed. Largely ineffective.
Traore 7
Brilliant wonder goal. Marked up.
Was a liability in lack of tracking back but was a wonder at times going forward and bright attacking play.
Watkins 5.5
marked down
for being sent off needless foul which put him in position to recieving second caution
Tirelessly running and pressing as ever
Ramsey-6
Davis -6.5
Wesley-5.5
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Enough now Mods get rid of this idiot
Who
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I think today proved we are just a mid table team. No more than that. Slightly higher with Jack. Something we need to build on in the summer. A number of these players won’t be starters come August one would hope.
This is spot on and I’ve been saying it all season. We have improved massively since last season and the rebuild will carry on next season with squad improvements. I’m happy with the season because I can see the improvements
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McGinn and Targett best Villa players and I rate as highest performers and matched anyone of the opposition.
McGinn shades my villa player of the match.
But Matt Targett continues to be impressive though lacking ultimate quality in delivery offered some but defensively think he's been great today and most improved.
To an extent Watkins Konsa, Mings, Cash and Traroe played well in lots of periods in first half especially and Villa had spells in second at 1-1 and 2-1 down especially but limited and my main two identify stand out are the quality and consistent of McGinn or Targett in recent matches continued.
Martinez 7.
Good, composed but may have done better with Greenwood goal
Cash 7.
Pretty good tbf considering he wasn't getting great cover and support from Bertie .
Targett 7.5.
solid along with McGinn is the form player who has been consistent 7+ ratings.
Mings 6
Solid first half will be disappointed with goal by Greenwood
Konsa 6.5
Better of the 2 defenders this time. Did his best not to react to Rashford fouling him but drawn into drama. Was undine by Cavani Movement but much better than in previous matches
McGinn 7.5.
Form player. And high level continues. Good Energy and held Midfield together. As mentioned last week. He's been carrying Douglas and today he was outstanding in his pressing and passing . Marked down half point as booked.
Douglas Luiz 5
Not good enough today casual and foolish for pen
Have had concerns for weeks now on his displays as observed. I've made comments ill discipline and wa no surprise he gives away a pen rightly subbed.
Barkley 6.5.
Started slow. Corners were woeful. Has a fre kick opportunity complete waste with his shot grew into fane but was largely awol and not enough impact in match til 2-1 down then subbed
El Ghazi 6
Subbed. Largely ineffective.
Traore 7
Brilliant wonder goal. Marked up.
Was a liability in lack of tracking back but was a wonder at times going forward and bright attacking play.
Watkins 5.5
marked down
for being sent off needless foul which put him in position to recieving second caution
Tirelessly running and pressing as ever
Ramsey-6
Davis -6.5
Wesley-5.5
Agreed 100% Mr Footy.
No doubt all our players are intelligent off the pitch, but some lack intelligence on it. Thankfully, they are young enough to learn and hopefully will improve sooner rather than later.
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Same old same old
Our goal was v superb play, McGinn & Traore 👏
Not sure I can see Deans point ref the penalty, it was a penalty all day long, silly tackle to even attempt & completely unnecessary. Douglas needs to step up his game!
Second goal was poor from Mings but Emi should have saved it comfortably.
Third was a good goal
Greenwood handball, for VAR to spend what 2 minutes looking at it & then not inviting the ref to have a 2nd look is why VAR is all wrong....those conversations need to be broadcast as there is no way to trust the process.
Watkins sending off was plain wrong, for the referee to call him out as cheating he has to be certain that he was indeed cheating & there is no way he can have been certain.... he refereed the whole game like an autograph hunter & he couldn’t not wait to do his duty and send someone off.
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Take it as a compliment.
To me, this fixture is the epitome of a banker for them.
Yet they were nervous enough about it to get their own referee in.
The justification for this one is a laugh n'all. Apparently Andre Marriner (Villa fan) has declared he's a Villa fan so can't ref Villa games. Some twat who supports Newcastle has declared that he's a Mag and can't ref Newcastle (Or Sunderland) games.
Kavanagh hasn't declared who he supports, so the PL, refs association and whoever are fine with him reffing City and Yanited games.
Because that's how it works. If an Argentinian ref says he's not an Argentina fan he can ref Brazil games. No problem at all. Just take them at their word.
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Looking past all the bollocks, if they dont re-sign Cavani, I'd fucking love us to get him in... Even on a 2/3 year deal. I see him as very Ibrahimovic like and could go on till late 30's. His movement for their 3rd was ridiculous, Cash didnt know what day of the week it was.
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18 fouls for them. Their first and only booking was on 78 mins.
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They've offered him (Cavani) £2.5 million extra a year on top of already mental wages £200k a week.
I don't think we're quite in that market yet.
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it was all just too predictable.
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Looking past all the bollocks, if they dont re-sign Cavani, I'd fucking love us to get him in... Even on a 2/3 year deal. I see him as very Ibrahimovic like and could go on till late 30's. His movement for their 3rd was ridiculous, Cash didnt know what day of the week it was.
If you would like Cavani, what about Aguerro? Is available on a free transfer (and could be refused near penalties!!)
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They've offered him (Cavani) £2.5 million extra a year on top of already mental wages £200k a week.
I don't think we're quite in that market yet.
What's the point of having two billionaire owners then? I don't mean to sound confrontational BTW. Just wondering when (if not now) we could afford it. Im not sure I'd have Cavani, but we are certainly able to afford his wages.
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They've offered him (Cavani) £2.5 million extra a year on top of already mental wages £200k a week.
I don't think we're quite in that market yet.
Aaaaaaaagh..... Maybe not then.
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Andy Hinchcliffe take a bow. The most biased, one-sided commentary ever, topped by his 'his hand was not in an unnatural position, it's never a penalty' comment. The smug smartarse. Even when i'm not particularly interested in the two teams playing, his comments drive me up the wall.
Totally agree with this, the way he commentates you'd think he was fucking Pale, Zico and Jairzhinio rolled into one, so critical. Plus for an ex defender he doesn't like any physical contact in his football. Prick.
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Players like Cavani, much like Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic are proper world class quality footballers. Even in their advanced years they are just head and shoulders in their intelligence above most others. Though can see what they have when they can bring him on and in an instant he can completely change games or integrate into them that makes an actual difference. We are a long way from that.
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Players like Cavani, much like Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic are proper world class quality footballers. Even in their advanced years they are just head and shoulders in their intelligence above most others. Though can see what they have when they can bring him on and in an instant he can completely change games or integrate into them that makes an actual difference. We are a long way from that.
I am starting to sound like broken record, but we are only as far away from 'that' as buying one of these players. We will have to pay more because we aren't in the 'champions' league. But it can be done if the will is there (the money is).
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Same old same old
Our goal was v superb play, McGinn & Traore 👏
Not sure I can see Deans point ref the penalty, it was a penalty all day long, silly tackle to even attempt & completely unnecessary. Douglas needs to step up his game!
Second goal was poor from Mings but Emi should have saved it comfortably.
Third was a good goal
Greenwood handball, for VAR to spend what 2 minutes looking at it & then not inviting the ref to have a 2nd look is why VAR is all wrong....those conversations need to be broadcast as there is no way to trust the process.
Watkins sending off was plain wrong, for the referee to call him out as cheating he has to be certain that he was indeed cheating & there is no way he can have been certain.... he refereed the whole game like an autograph hunter & he couldn’t not wait to do his duty and send someone off.
I get his point. I agree the challenge was unnecessary and Luiz gave the ref a chance to give the penalty but Pogba was absolutely playing for it. The ball was rolling away from him following the first challenge and he made no attempt to play it, just stepped across Luiz and waited for contact before making a big show of going to ground. If you watch the whole thing from Smith his point is how can that be a penalty purely becaues Pogba went over when others (he used Sterling as his example) take that same amount of contact 4-5 times in a single run into the box and get nothing. As ever the problem is that refs are encouraging players to go down under minimal contact because they show week after week that they will give free kicks and penalties for it.
What makes it so frustrating is that the same referee half an hour later decides to act completely differently to another challenge and sends a player off for diving. Referees in the premier league have absolutely no credibility when it comes to punishing dives because they've spent years rewarding them.
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Players like Cavani, much like Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic are proper world class quality footballers. Even in their advanced years they are just head and shoulders in their intelligence above most others. Though can see what they have when they can bring him on and in an instant he can completely change games or integrate into them that makes an actual difference. We are a long way from that.
I am starting to sound like broken record, but we are only as far away from 'that' as buying one of these players. We will have to pay more because we aren't in the 'champions' league. But it can be done if the will is there (the money is).
I don’t think you can really attract that type of player unless you are a team in the CL. We need to have a higher stock in European football to be attractive to them also. Anyone if they have the money can overpay but I don’t want that now. Cavani is a luxury player at a club that can afford the luxury.
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Good finish from Traore. Poor from Mings to get turned liked that, seemed flat footed. Cavani got inbetween the lines and scored well. Their penalty was shocking. Luiz had two goes at Pogba, who couldn't wait to throw himself to the floor. He already had one attempt as he turned away from goal only for the completely over-rated Luiz to, astonishingly, have a second bite. No, it was not a penalty, it was a dive, but why oh why do such a completely twattish thing like kick him twice. For such a so called world class player, Pogba really does seem to fall over his own feet a lot in penalty areas! The Villa penalty appeal, how is this even a debate? Your arm being above your head, is an un-natural position for it to be in. Clear and definite penalty all day long. It stopped the ball from going forward in the penalty area. Penalty. Ollie Watkins, must be honest, I think he played for the penalty and didn't appeal in any way at all when the referee second booked him. Naivety perhaps but he should have protested more than he did.
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It's not just the unnatural position, it's the way he waved his arms to block the ball.
Ball hits your hand/ arm = very little you can do about it.
Try to control or block the ball with your arm = penalty.
This was always the case even before the so-called clarification earlier in the season about unnatural positions and all the other bollocks. But for this game and this game only, it's not a penalty.
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KevinGage, I couldn't agree more, regardless of unnatural positions or it being accidental/deliberate etc, the ball hit his arm in the penalty box which stopped the ball from going towards goal. It's such a wank decision it's incompetent.
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"The boy [El Ghazi] landed on top of him and he twisted his ankle,” Solskjær said.
Errmm - didn't the ref a foul to us for this?
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This is going to stay with me and I don't give a fuck. That was blatant cheating today, a bias towards one side above the other. Not game changing at all but that is not relevant, turning a blind eye to one team in favour of another is disgusting and disgraceful.
We can shrug our shoulders but that is to give in to skullduggery and shithousing.
I hate moaning after the event but if I was Smith I'd be banging on about this for as long as it takes.
There is no game if this is the game.
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"The boy [El Ghazi] landed on top of him and he twisted his ankle,” Solskjær said.
Errmm - didn't the ref a foul to us for this?
Yes. Cavani fouled El Ghazi and he collided with Maguire as he fell. Surprised Cavanagh didn't book Anwar given other decisions he made.
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Its obvious as fuck but unfortunately is just accepted.
There was an incident in the first half were Maguire kicked it out of play and the fat faced bell end started berating the linesman for not giving the throw in in their favour. Its systematic.
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We have to get that nasty streak into our players of getting into referrees and question why someone from Manchester was allowed to referee the game even before kick off, can you imagine Ferguson letting some Scouse doing a Liverpool Manchester game
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the only thing that counts is the result and it was as predictable as night following day. Our record against both Manchester teams is beyond awful.
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the only thing that counts is the result and it was as predictable as night following day. Our record against both Manchester teams is beyond awful.
Nice to see you back. You've not been on for a couple of games.
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We have to get that nasty streak into our players of getting into referrees and question why someone from Manchester was allowed to referee the game even before kick off, can you imagine Ferguson letting some Scouse doing a Liverpool Manchester game
We do, I think we started to have it with Jack, he developed a clever as fuck side to his game. Moaning about everything, constantly at the ref, a 'shithouse' as the kids put it.
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never been away Dasve and its one fact you can't dispute. Our record is appalling against both of them
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We have to get that nasty streak into our players of getting into referrees and question why someone from Manchester was allowed to referee the game even before kick off, can you imagine Ferguson letting some Scouse doing a Liverpool Manchester game
You'd think Terry would be able to teach this? We did actually get a few decisions our way when he was centre-half.
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never been away Dasve and its one fact you can't dispute. Our record is appalling against both of them
Never been away, you just don't post when we win. I suppose it takes all sorts.
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Players like Cavani, much like Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic are proper world class quality footballers. Even in their advanced years they are just head and shoulders in their intelligence above most others. Though can see what they have when they can bring him on and in an instant he can completely change games or integrate into them that makes an actual difference. We are a long way from that.
But that is where we need to be and it’s the type of player we need to attract if we’re going to compete
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I did think there was an element of the boy who cried wolf about Maguire’s injury. He went down screaming/complaining every time he was tackled. Then finally he had a real reason to make a fuss - shame.
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Players like Cavani, much like Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic are proper world class quality footballers. Even in their advanced years they are just head and shoulders in their intelligence above most others. Though can see what they have when they can bring him on and in an instant he can completely change games or integrate into them that makes an actual difference. We are a long way from that.
But that is where we need to be and it’s the type of player we need to attract if we’re going to compete
Of course. But we need to progress to that point. We are not a Cavani away from the next level. We are several players away to compete for a regular top 6 much less a top 4 or beyond. If we can get to competing for a top 4 spot, like Leicester maybe then we start to consider a player that really propels us to the next level. Right now though we are still a bit away.
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I did think there was an element of the boy who cried wolf about Maguire’s injury. He went down screaming/complaining every time he was tackled. Then finally he had a real reason to make a fuss - shame.
He gets away with so much, he constantly pushes grabs and pulls players he has his arms all over them and never gets penalised.
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Players like Cavani, much like Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic are proper world class quality footballers. Even in their advanced years they are just head and shoulders in their intelligence above most others. Though can see what they have when they can bring him on and in an instant he can completely change games or integrate into them that makes an actual difference. We are a long way from that.
But that is where we need to be and it’s the type of player we need to attract if we’re going to compete
If we can get a 24year old from a club like Palermo who is on the brink of becoming that player then I'd be happier with that than signing the 34year old version on 3-4 times the wage. It might mean we need to be a bit more patient but long term it will be more successful.
Malen is that player this summer in my opinion and if we are adding another attacking player he'd be the one that really made people pay attention.
If not him then there are plenty of other fantastic young players around that we should be looking at who can all make that step up in the next year or so and would all be big signings for us. Camavinga who's been mentioned on the transfer thread recently would be high on that list.
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It had to happen eventually, but Thursday night we get to see the current Villa side without Watkins. Not a great prospect.
Not with Wesley leading the line as he doubtless will....I don’t think he touched the ball when he came on and offered nowt...he’s crap and the sooner we realise that the better
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I dont want to go as far as saying he's crap but I do think at this moment in time that Davis would offer more for us.
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Players like Cavani, much like Ronaldo or Ibrahimovic are proper world class quality footballers. Even in their advanced years they are just head and shoulders in their intelligence above most others. Though can see what they have when they can bring him on and in an instant he can completely change games or integrate into them that makes an actual difference. We are a long way from that.
But that is where we need to be and it’s the type of player we need to attract if we’re going to compete
Of course. But we need to progress to that point. We are not a Cavani away from the next level. We are several players away to compete for a regular top 6 much less a top 4 or beyond. If we can get to competing for a top 4 spot, like Leicester maybe then we start to consider a player that really propels us to the next level. Right now though we are still a bit away.
Yes I totally agree. And I believe we are heading to a point where we are in contention for players such as Cavani. But it’s gonna take patients and time
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Maguire, granny faced twat.
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We have to get that nasty streak into our players of getting into referrees and question why someone from Manchester was allowed to referee the game even before kick off, can you imagine Ferguson letting some Scouse doing a Liverpool Manchester game
We do, I think we started to have it with Jack, he developed a clever as fuck side to his game. Moaning about everything, constantly at the ref, a 'shithouse' as the kids put it.
If anything those antics started going against him when it came to referees decisions.
I think a few on here need to put down the whiskey/gin/beer/toilet duck, forget the referee conspiracy theories and chill out for the night. Individual defensive errors were punished by a quality attacking players. Performance on the whole was one of our better ones since Grealish got injured.
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Maguire, granny faced twat.
And thats all there is too it really.
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I missed the game as I forgot we were playing. Nice to see glory glory yanited get their penalty. I was worried for a moment it might piss on their parade to not get one.....but bad for the brand and all. Out of interest I was watching F1 highlights and realised everything sky touches gets bigger, bolder and entertaining. Yet it becomes predictable and overblown and all about the brand.
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Maguire, granny faced twat.
Hey, I'm a gran and I object to being likened to Maguire!!
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Andy Hinchcliffe take a bow. The most biased, one-sided commentary ever, topped by his 'his hand was not in an unnatural position, it's never a penalty' comment. The smug smartarse. Even when i'm not particularly interested in the two teams playing, his comments drive me up the wall.
we had Matt Holland on Optus in Aus. His line was ‘it was because he was so close and didn’t have time to get his hand out the way’ Not sure who the main commentator was, but between them it was like a ManU wankathon, trawling up ever more contrived stats against Villa and in favour of them. Had to turn the sound down and just watch after a certain point I got so annoyed with it.
They started strongly, but we clawed our way in and finished the first half pretty much on top. Cracking finish by Traore.
The Luis challenge looked a penalty to me. But so did the handball one we should have been given and I must have been watching a different game to the ref to think Ollie got kicked in the knee by the keeper and should have had a penalty. Instead he gets. Second yellow for diving and sent off? What the fuck. Stopped watching after that incident. There’s always controversy when we play these ******, but it seemed like it moved up a notch or 2 this match.
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Just watched us again on MOTD. My feelings are that their penalty was nailed on as Luiz clearly clatters Pogba from behind. The Ollie one, they are saying that he dived, I saw it as a genuine attempt by Ollie to get the ball but went down after minimal contact. He thought he was going to get hurt so, in all, the second yellow was a nonsense. As regards the handball incident, they chose not to comment on that at all. From what I’ve seen all of this season, that was a stonewall penalty and ref should have been sent to the screen. I have absolutely no doubt at all that if Manure had needed that to draw level, the ref would have have given it without even going to VAR.
The only sad thing for me, today, was our overall naivety once again that cost us the points. Also very disappointing performances from Barkley, El Ghazi and Luiz. Ollie was also not at his best but, can be forgiven by DS tactics which once again left Ollie isolated.
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Just watched us again on MOTD. My feelings are that their penalty was nailed on as Luiz clearly clatters Pogba from behind. The Ollie one, they are saying that he dived, I saw it as a genuine attempt by Ollie to get the ball but went down after minimal contact. He thought he was going to get hurt so, in all, the second yellow was a nonsense.
That was my take on it, there was definitely more in their claim. However what is annoying is that if the roles were reversed (including the handball) they'd likely still have got the penalty(s) and we wouldn't have.
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They were the better team.
They also had the ref.
We had no chance. The Watkins sending off was a travesty and Jenas etc on MOTD trying to justify it? Wanker.
An observation about Ramsay, I like what I've seen, but it's clear he's a junior member of the team, looking to be told what to do by other players. I think that is another reason we're bringing the younger ones through gradually.
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Jenas and that gimp fernadez both wankers
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Can't believe they didn't mention the Greenwood pen, most obvious of the three. Did DS even mention it in his interview as I thought it was odd he ranted about Pogba instead as that was pretty clearcut, we got a softer one with Barkley v West Brom.
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Really disappointing that all the talk post-match is of the ref and ManUre being their scummy selves when one of our own players was responsible for the game's most beautiful moment. Bert Traore's goal fully befitting of a sun-drenched Villa Park in the springtime. He has an uncanny knack of caressing the ball when he shoots. I guess it's part of his languid style generally but when it comes off, (today, at home to Newcastle, away to WBA) it's a sexy sight to behold. I'm trying to think of any other players we had who stroke the ball like that...maybe Dwight at times?
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Its just all so horribly predictable. Its become almost quite laughable really. Every. Single. Time.
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The commentator i listened to spent much of the game pondering whether City would be champions today. WTF they are champions whether today next week ot the week after. Luiz has disappointed me the last few games, not sure he is good enough for where we want to be.
What stuck out for me was how we gave the ball away a lot more than the other crowd which i suppose comes down to quality. Wes touched the ball so i suppose thats a plus. Can't wait for next season.
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I thought we started the game poorly and then got right at it and in brief spells looked very comfortable .
We all knew the Penalty would come at some point and Liability Luiz was odds on to give it away, I really do not know what people see in him.
I thought Martinez could have done better for their 2nd Goal and after his bright start and solid performances at the start of the season questions are starting to appear over his performances and decisions in recent weeks. Maybe we should give Heaton a chance for the Final Fixtures at it feels Martinez has become a little bit comfortable in the No.1 Jersey .
We looked better when Davis and Wesley finally got on the pitch, Dean again leaving it far too late for the Subs to make any real game changing impact
A pretty meaningless few matches coming up now with mid-table safety looking to be the outcome of a season that looked so promising. I don't think we will have a better chance to get a European Spot for some time. Jacks injury obviously proving we are a bit of a one man team and it would be a complete Disaster if he was to leave the Football Club .
The Everton game would be the perfect opportunity to try out some of the Squad and give the youth players a taste of Premiership Football as I expect the fans Attending the Chelsea Fixture will want to see the first 11 , especially if paying £50 for a Zone 1 Seat.
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There's absolutely no way i'd be dropping Martinez, I think he's been superb and just recently he's just looked human other than flawless as he was for months. I'm also firmly in the Dougie camp as I was sure Citeh would be re-signing him at Xmas, now i'd be quite surprised if they did. At 23 yesterday I still think he's going to be a top player though.
Our squad depth has really found us out since Xmas, players have either lost form or just got tired. When you consider the physical and mental effort post project re-start with a short pre-season it's not surprising it's caught up with us. Just hope we can finish top 10 still, we are a damn sight better side than any of Leeds, Arsenal and Bloody Wolves that's for sure.
Everyone just looks like they need a holiday, rest up, recharge and the club can recruit. I still think the future is looking really bright.
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Jenas and that gimp fernadez both wankers
Pogba and Rashford, too. Both niggly fuckers. Hate them
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As soon as they equalised you knew they would go on and win the game. We lack leaders in the team.
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I deliberately didn't watch the game. I've seen Traore's wonder goal and the still photo of Ollie being challenged at the end.
If that was Pogba or the likes of Kane involved they would have got the penalty.
Going into a game like yesterday's Villa need to score at least 2 goals before a ball is kicked to get anything out of it (accounting for obligatory penalties to the opposition). Even more so at the business end of a season. By all accounts Villa could have had 2 pens but none were given.
I have watched Villa since the age of 7 and been involved in the game in a number of ways since. Top level football as it is currently presented makes me feel that it is all about the sky/scab/sly 6. I don't follow European football/qualification, but I feel the ducks are being lined up especially in these last few games; so that even the Arse (and they are sh-t) get european football next season. I wouldn't be surprised to see red scouse get cl football at the expense of Leicester. I feel refs (and var) are on a mission to accomplish this. Villa losing yesterday (even with a game in hand) with the Arse winning now makes it difficult for us to overhaul them and potentially take one of those european spots. Regarding the tv coverage without knowing the answer I bet the pundits in the studio and the so-called expert co-commentator had no Villa connections but may have had connections to manure and certainly to the other scab 5 clubs. I feel the blatant biased analysis of these people has ruined the game for a number of years as a spectacle to watch on tv.
Thursday's game against Everton I will watch on tv (with the sound on mute) because it will hopefully be a proper, competitive game of football. Hopefully the ref and var can just do their jobs fairly and nothing more.
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As soon as they equalised you knew they would go on and win the game. We lack leaders in the team.
The refereeing has somewhat clouded over some poor decisions by the manager and players.
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Strange of Smith to moan about their pen because it was so blatantly a penalty that it has taken all the attention away from the handball. The fact that MOTD didn't even bother to discuss shows how insignificant we are considered by the media. I imagine that Dernot Gallagher will also ignore it today whilst no doubt focusing on agreeing that Pogbas was a penalty.
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I’m finding it hard to be upset over this one because it was so crushingly predictable. I thought it was fun though when we had Watkins, Davis and Wesley on. It seemed to unsettle Man U, the defence didn’t know who to go after.
My ref moment is how did Pogba get away with swinging through when Traore nicked the ball off him?
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Strange of Smith to moan about their pen because it was so blatantly a penalty that it has taken all the attention away from the handball. The fact that MOTD didn't even bother to discuss shows how insignificant we are considered by the media. I imagine that Dernot Gallagher will also ignore it today whilst no doubt focusing on agreeing that Pogbas was a penalty.
I’m convinced the referee would have been asked to take a look at it if the ball had gone dead within a few seconds of the incident. As it was, play went on for 2/3 minutes, and by then it was brushed away.
We also didn’t make much of a fuss as is our way, but to me his hand was above his head and not in a natural way, and he stopped the ball going back into the penalty area.
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As soon as they equalised you knew they would go on and win the game. We lack leaders in the team.
Thought we played well for a spell at 1-2, looked like we were the most likely to score next. Davis should have taken that shot on himself.
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Disappointed losing again to United I was screaming at the tv don't touch him Dougie then what did he do.
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I’m finding it hard to be upset over this one because it was so crushingly predictable. I thought it was fun though when we had Watkins, Davis and Wesley on. It seemed to unsettle Man U, the defence didn’t know who to go after.
My ref moment is how did Pogba get away with swinging through when Traore nicked the ball off him?
When that West Ham lad got sent for actually kicking the ball and then the player.
We ply under different rules when we play them, it's a fucking disgrace. I really don't mean to be crass in saying this and I'm not equating the two things, but it reminds me of systemic racism in that we get a completely different interpretation of our deeds and actions, from pundits through to officials, depending on which colour shirts are worn.
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I think in situations like that we should be kicking the ball out and approaching the ref. I also wonder what would have been the reaction in a loud and baying Villa Park - would he have had a look at the screen?
It's not different to the one that was given against us for the Cash handball at man city.
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I've only seen the highlights and it's groundhog day when we play these cheating twunts. Definite hand ball from greenwood? Penalty 100%. Definite foul on Ollie and it's beyond ridiculous that VAR didn't send the ref to the monitor. Definite pen for them and I'm baffled by Dean's reaction to it. He should have used the opportunity to highlight the other wrongdoings by the inept officials. Pogba did his usual stunt and "bought" the foul. It's so frustrating that Dougie fell for it given Pogbas previous against us. And an absolutely bloody brilliant goal by Bertie. Oh and I fucking despise that football club right to it's arrogant core.
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Ref watch just covered all three incidents. Luiz - penalty. Oli - no dive and no yellow card. Not that that will help us. Greenwood - no penalty because he was too close. I think that's bollocks because it gives defenders license to go up with arms in the air in a close challenge and then argue they couldn't move their arms out of the way. For me his arm shouldn't have been there and I am 100% convinced that would have been a pen to them
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I thought we started the game poorly and then got right at it and in brief spells looked very comfortable .
We all knew the Penalty would come at some point and Liability Luiz was odds on to give it away, I really do not know what people see in him.
I thought Martinez could have done better for their 2nd Goal and after his bright start and solid performances at the start of the season questions are starting to appear over his performances and decisions in recent weeks. Maybe we should give Heaton a chance for the Final Fixtures at it feels Martinez has become a little bit comfortable in the No.1 Jersey .
We looked better when Davis and Wesley finally got on the pitch, Dean again leaving it far too late for the Subs to make any real game changing impact
A pretty meaningless few matches coming up now with mid-table safety looking to be the outcome of a season that looked so promising. I don't think we will have a better chance to get a European Spot for some time. Jacks injury obviously proving we are a bit of a one man team and it would be a complete Disaster if he was to leave the Football Club .
The Everton game would be the perfect opportunity to try out some of the Squad and give the youth players a taste of Premiership Football as I expect the fans Attending the Chelsea Fixture will want to see the first 11 , especially if paying £50 for a Zone 1 Seat.
"Liability Luiz" is shitechat, dropping Martinez is crazy talk and the transfer window has closed so we can't loan our young players to clubs in Scotland's top flight, even if we wanted to. Resign.
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Ref watch just covered all three incidents. Luiz - penalty. Oli - no dive and no yellow card. Not that that will help us. Greenwood - no penalty because he was too close. I think that's bollocks because it gives defenders license to go up with arms in the air in a close challenge and then argue they couldn't move their arms out of the way. For me his arm shouldn't have been there and I am 100% convinced that would have been a pen to them
If we were in the Ref has to be convinced its deliberate age, then you can say fair enough. But we saw the Cash penalty given and this was much more obvious. No doubts it would have been given the other way.
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This puts another VAR myth to bed, that it would stop "big" teams getting the decisions.
And Ralph Little should've walked with a second yellow for kicking the ball away.
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Had another look at the highlights. I love Emi and I think he's been brilliant but I wonder if he'll look back at their second goal and think he could have done better? And the penalty was saveable if he done his homework. When Fernández does his little show off jump he nearly always puts the ball in the same place as his body is committed to a certain angle. Having said all that i wouldn't swap Emi for anyone else.
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Fernandes style penalties should be banned.
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I thought we started the game poorly and then got right at it and in brief spells looked very comfortable .
We all knew the Penalty would come at some point and Liability Luiz was odds on to give it away, I really do not know what people see in him.
I thought Martinez could have done better for their 2nd Goal and after his bright start and solid performances at the start of the season questions are starting to appear over his performances and decisions in recent weeks. Maybe we should give Heaton a chance for the Final Fixtures at it feels Martinez has become a little bit comfortable in the No.1 Jersey .
We looked better when Davis and Wesley finally got on the pitch, Dean again leaving it far too late for the Subs to make any real game changing impact
A pretty meaningless few matches coming up now with mid-table safety looking to be the outcome of a season that looked so promising. I don't think we will have a better chance to get a European Spot for some time. Jacks injury obviously proving we are a bit of a one man team and it would be a complete Disaster if he was to leave the Football Club .
The Everton game would be the perfect opportunity to try out some of the Squad and give the youth players a taste of Premiership Football as I expect the fans Attending the Chelsea Fixture will want to see the first 11 , especially if paying £50 for a Zone 1 Seat.
"Liability Luiz" is shitechat, dropping Martinez is crazy talk and the transfer window has closed so we can't loan our young players to clubs in Scotland's top flight, even if we wanted to. Resign.
Honestly, he's not even worth your time and effort.
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Ref watch just covered all three incidents. Luiz - penalty. Oli - no dive and no yellow card. Not that that will help us. Greenwood - no penalty because he was too close. I think that's bollocks because it gives defenders license to go up with arms in the air in a close challenge and then argue they couldn't move their arms out of the way. For me his arm shouldn't have been there and I am 100% convinced that would have been a pen to them
Agree, that’s a crap argument for not giving the handball. It gives licence to using your arms above your head close up to an opponent's - like volleyball. I don’t see any reasonable excuse for an arm being up there.
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Ref watch just covered all three incidents. Luiz - penalty. Oli - no dive and no yellow card. Not that that will help us. Greenwood - no penalty because he was too close. I think that's bollocks because it gives defenders license to go up with arms in the air in a close challenge and then argue they couldn't move their arms out of the way. For me his arm shouldn't have been there and I am 100% convinced that would have been a pen to them
Agree, that’s a crap argument for not giving the handball. It gives licence to using your arms above your head close up to an opponent's - like volleyball. I don’t see any reasonable excuse for an arm being up there.
I've played a lot of rugby and how he jumped is exactly how you charge down a kick, make yourself big and hope you get some contact, the idea that his arm wasn't there deliberately is laughable and shows the officials lack the basic understanding to make important decisions, The Watkins penalty incident adds to that as well.
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They've offered him (Cavani) £2.5 million extra a year on top of already mental wages £200k a week.
I don't think we're quite in that market yet.
How does a team that Owes a Billion dollars to the Glazer family allowed to make signings of this magnitude?
I thought FFP was meant to st...................oh
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While we are on the subject of rubbish refereeing, I didn't think Ollie's first yellow was right, either.
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Fernandes style penalties should be banned.
Just for looking like a rat faced little cnut as well as a right fucking girl
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Ref watch just covered all three incidents. Luiz - penalty. Oli - no dive and no yellow card. Not that that will help us. Greenwood - no penalty because he was too close. I think that's bollocks because it gives defenders license to go up with arms in the air in a close challenge and then argue they couldn't move their arms out of the way. For me his arm shouldn't have been there and I am 100% convinced that would have been a pen to them
Agree, that’s a crap argument for not giving the handball. It gives licence to using your arms above your head close up to an opponent's - like volleyball. I don’t see any reasonable excuse for an arm being up there.
Greenwood was no different to the Cash handball v Man. City. Similar distance and speed.
They just make it up as they go along. IMO the long time delay didn't help either as seems incidents can just be forgotten about if the ball dosen't go out of play for a long time.
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That's down to us not being savvy enough to put the ball out of play and get round the referee like they would have done
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They're cheats and refs polish their boots with their tongues. Let's just move on from our annual screw job from these fucking Disney FC muppets.
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Agree with Richard E, I didn't think Ollie's first yellow was deserved. He slid in and just caught Mc Guire's foot with his trailing knee. It wasn't malicious , a free kick would have sufficed. I think that showed what was to come.
I do wonder if the ref travelled down from Manchester on the United team bus.
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While we are on the subject of rubbish refereeing, I didn't think Ollie's first yellow was right, either.
Particularly as it was our second foul of the half and they had committed 12 at that stage, including several bad ones from Pogba and McTominay
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Yep, agreed here as well, it wasn't the worst foul in the first half and the numbers meant they should've had 2-3 in the book by half time, even when we were leading it was setting a precedent that he wasn't going to ref the game equally.
A yellow card has to be reckless and just because Watkins went off his feet doesn't mean it meets that, the Pogba follow through on Bert was far more dangerous.
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Prize Pratt of the Week award goes to Villa legend Jenas who actually went out of his way to PRAISE the ref for sending Ollie off as, "This is the sort of thing we want to see removed from the game."
What a ****!
Oh and the Greenwood handball wasn't even worth talking about apparently...
I'd expect this sort of one-eyed crap on MUTV, but I'd always supposed that MotD was, unlike Sunday's ref, was meant to be neutral in its outlook?
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