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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2021, 01:05:28 PM
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As expected. Nice to see Chuckie on there.
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As expected. Nice to see Chuckie on there.
Davis is on the bench.
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Them
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Get into these fuckers right from the start
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No Cavani is good. They look pretty strong otherwise.
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Good to see Chucky involved. Got a good feeling about this one.
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Win please.
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What did I miss, I thought Jack was in the squad for this
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We’ve done Liverpool this season. Please Villa, beat this armchair mob too!
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I’m going for penalty to them after 26 minutes.
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Utd have put a stronger side out for this game than Roma, come on Villa get a win against this lot please?
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Cracking set of pundits SKY have offered for this game.
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Thankfully no further injuries and same team as last week. If we play like we did against Everton, we've got a chance of creating history and actually beating United at VP this century. I'm going 2 -1 Villa, Ross to get the winner.
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Steamer, no, Jack “Loading” Grealish, is the same time frame away from the squad as he was at the beginning of this saga, 7 to 10 days!!
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So that moaning about how many games they were playing and that they'd have to rest players was a lie and he was just moaning for the sake of it, then. I'm shocked.
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Chris Kavanagh, from Manchester, is your referee this afternoon.
Enjoy the match.
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I hate this fixture.
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The law of averages is the commonly held belief that a particular outcome or event will, over certain periods of time, occur at a frequency that is similar to its probability..
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Chris Kavanagh, from Manchester, is your referee this afternoon.
Enjoy the match.
How is that allowed?
He has refereed six games involving Manchester clubs this season. Five wins, one draw. The draw was a Manchester Derby.
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No doubts they’ll spunk a penalty and a var decision. Fucking hate them.
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Chris Kavanagh, from Manchester, is your referee this afternoon.
Enjoy the match.
How is that allowed?
He has refereed six games involving Manchester clubs this season. Five wins, one draw. The draw was a Manchester Derby.
One of those was when he awarded a 100th minute penalty to Man Utd at Brighton,
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Could Jack have played his last game for us?
I hate this fixture.
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I hate this fixture.
By the end of the game you'll love it!
I'm off for more beer from the fridge!!
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Driving back from Wales so will not be able to watch. I'm not too bothered as we just know Utd will get a dodgy penalty or 2. I really never enjoy playing this lot.
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Ugh Troy Deeney in the studio....
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Ugh Troy Deeney in the studio....
Surprised he's not the referee.
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Who picks the bloody pundits?
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Ugh Troy Deeney in the studio....
Surprised he's not the referee.
Give it time...
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Ugh Troy Deeney in the studio....
Unpopular opinion, but I like Deeney.
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Ugh Troy Deeney in the studio....
Unpopular opinion, but I like Deeney.
I do too. But not today.
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Going to my Mum's, but I'll be surreptitiously looking for updates on my phone, like some hopeless Villa junkie. It'll be no good for me, but I won't be able to help myself! :'(
But you never know...
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Ugh Troy Deeney in the studio....
Unpopular opinion, but I like Deeney.
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I've no problem with him but why him today?
And why the hell does Lescott get the gig?
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Ian Taylor, Mark Draper and Dwight Yorke should be in the studio.
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I’m going for penalty to them after 26 minutes.
Have a tenner on a penalty at 6/4 as I know what these bastards are like
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Andy Hinchclifte Co commentator, Joleyon Lescot and Troy Deeney in the studio. What a joy
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As long as that dabbing twat doesn't score, I'll be reasonably happy.
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First close up of Jack.
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First close up of Jack.
And first mention of us escaping relegation on the last day of last season.
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Already being camped in our own half isn't a good sign given their penchant for penalties.
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United fancy their chances here and are going for it. Hopefully it will upon up space behind
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Pretty poor start.
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One way traffic at the moment.
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Looking like John Gregory's autograph hunters again. Far too much respect.
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Traore's laziness and lack of covering in defence is going to cost us here
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Not good enough helping Cash.
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Bert needs to start defending and fast
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You know they'd have found a way to give a penalty for that at the other end.
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I hate short corners
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Looking more like it now.
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Barkley and Traore offer nothing without the ball.
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I thought Barkley was playing today.
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Doing the hard bit to win the ball back, then stupidly getting caught in possession...you Mr Traore
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Is Barkley on mogadons?
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How many more fouls before they get a booking?
Oh yeah, I forgot...
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Barkley and Traore offer nothing without the ball.
And when they have the ball they look as if they have their bootlaces tied together.
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Bit more even now
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That was cool from Targett
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Pretty crap so far. We don't look much like scoring or keeping them out.
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Traore! 😍😍😍
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Goooooal
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Fucking yes
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Get in!!!!
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Bert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh feck me what a goal!
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Yssssssss!
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That was a peach of a finish.
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What a goal! Bert!
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I love you Bert
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Sensational by Traore. What a finish!
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Wallop
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What a great finish that is, brilliant pressure from McGinn in the build up.
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What a beaut!
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Holy shit, what a finish!!!!!!!!
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Get in Bertie!
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Can’t fucking defend though
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Only 110 minutes to go, come on Villa!
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Ability in buckets.
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Barkley and Traore offer nothing without the ball.
And when they have the ball they look as if they have their bootlaces tied together.
Mind you, I have long thought that Traore should tie his bootlaces together more often.
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Flicked over to SSN to see how they described it. Marlon Harewood's watching the game. His first words 'goal to Aston Villa, I can't believe it'.
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Could be a contender for goal of the month, very sweet hit.
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Stunning finish! Fucking get in!
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We needed that because their first penalty is coming up shortly.
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They're up to 6 fouls to stop us breaking now and the ref hasn't said a word.
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Has Ollie had a kick yet?
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Have any of the coaching staff let El Ghazi and Traore know that Wan-Bissaka and Shaw like to go forward?
Their lack of tracking back is going to cost us if we're not careful.
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They're up to 6 fouls to stop us breaking now and the ref hasn't said a word.
It's as if we're playing their neighbours?!
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If we're still one nil up with 10 seconds left I'll start thinking we can win this
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I switched on, saw 1-0 and thought, fucking hell, they've scored already.
Then i realised we were at home.
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Would be easier for us if we had 11 on the pitch...yes, I’m looking at you Ross!!
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How many fucking fouls before they get a card?!
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I would love us to piss on their chips and deny them the title today.
Preferably sealing a win with a penalty.
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So many fouls...
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How many fucking fouls before they get a card?!
Took the words out of my mouth!
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Okay, calm down Meat Loaf.
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Okay, calm down Meat Loaf.
Haha!
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These commentators don't like the fact that we're winning, do they!
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Not even getting booked for that
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Ollie is very isolated when we go long.
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They've scarcely acknowledged that we are playing.
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These commentators don't like the fact that we're winning, do they!
Hinchcliffe seems particularly upset about it.
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They've scarcely acknowledged that we are playing.
I think Man City have been mentioned more than us.
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That was no accident. It was a deliberate kick on Bert
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Poor ball from Luiz
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That was no accident. It was a deliberate kick on Bert
Probably should have been a pen to them!
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When they are tippy tappying around our box, we have got to be right up in their faces, not standing off.
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When they are tippy tappying around our box, we have got to be right up in their faces, not standing off.
Problem is if we do that they usually get awarded a pen
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They've scarcely acknowledged that we are playing.
I was going to say the same. And when we are mentioned it’s in a patronizing context. I’m expecting plucky Villa at some point. Mind you, I’ve always said we have done that to ourselves by being mostly utter shit over the past number of years, and most certainly against this shower of ******. I’m still expecting Macheda to come on and win it for them.
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Is that the first player the referee has chatted to? One foul by us, 97 by them...
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Great defending by Ezri.
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Persistent fouling from Man U, but the ref wants a word with McGinn
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Is that the first player the referee has chatted to? One foul by us, 97 by them...
yep, what a c**t, not even like it was a bad foul.
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Konsa and Mings have both been magnificent so far
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Villa 2 fouls, Ushited 10
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Fernandes is a prick isn't he?
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Fernandes is a prick isn't he?
Massive
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I wish one of our lot would put a real hard challenge on that cheating ****** Fernandes.
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Fernandez was leading with his elbow in that challenge on Konsa, cheating little twat.
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Fernandes is a prick isn't he?
Yes. Yes he is.
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Fernandes, what a tool
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Elbow by that fucker, Fernandes. Should be booked.
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Elbow by that fucker, Fernandes. Should be booked.
My blood is boiling....
Solid first half from us. Be nice if Ross got involved.
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Shocked that we got the first yellow card...
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Good pressure from Villa
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Fernandes, what a tool
He’s lucky it’s not a full VP or he’d be getting some serous shit now
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There’s a fucking surprise. It wasn’t even a foul by ollie, never mind a booking.
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I fucking knew we would get the first card
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Shocking refereeing. You’d almost say corrupt....
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More of the same second half please Villa.
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Half time. Listen to Lescott and Deeney? Or go peel some vegetables for dinner?
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Well done Villa. Keep going.
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Is Barkley still playing? Dougie's having a good game I think.
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I fucking knew we would get the first card
To be fair it was a pretty crap challenge but at least McGuire knows he’s there now!
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Good half from us after a shaky first 10 minutes. Unbelievable goal too.
Still a bit nervous about the freedom being afforded to Shaw though.
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First half:
Us- Worked hard to stay in the game, cracking goal. Our passing remains erratic.
Them - Dirty bastards, Fernandes is a cheat and they will no doubt score early in the 2nd half and grab all 3 points
Ref - Was pathetic
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Is Barkley still playing? Dougie's having a good game I think.
You can’t even say he’s been bad because you haven’t noticed he’s playing. Let’s give Chuck 20 mins
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Cracking half.Continuing the Everton levels.
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They've scarcely acknowledged that we are playing.
To be fair the story is all about them today. Which is fine by me providing we make sure the story doesn't have a happy ending for them at the end of the day.
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Good half from us after a shaky first 10 minutes. Unbelievable goal too.
Still a bit nervous about the freedom being afforded to Shaw though.
Dean will sort that. Need Trez
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I think both Barkley and El Ghazi could be more involved.
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I fucking knew we would get the first card
To be fair it was a pretty crap challenge but at least McGuire knows he’s there now!
Not really any worse than 3-4 by them that the ref didn't even warn them over. More importantly most of their fouls have been professional fouls to stop us counter-attacking and they'll just keep doing it so long as the ref doesn't give a shit.
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A pretty good half. I was purring over the move just before halftime where Bert put the cross just over Anwar's head. God knows how many passes led to that, but it seemed like we moved it around for about 5 minutes before Cash spotted the opening to carry it 30 yards upfield. Play like that always feels like something other teams do, so love to see it!
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It looked a foul on Nicky Morgan to me. Wasn't surprised to see the yellow.
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Half time. Listen to Lescott and Deeney? Or go peel some vegetables for dinner?
Peeling vegetables or listening to them. Tough choice
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We've done well.
When Traore is properly on it he's a delight to watch.
Can't help feeling this ref is going to give them something at some point. He wasn't going to blow up until Ez stayed down and yes Fernandes is very annoying in the world owes him a living type way, certain yellow with him leading with his elbow.
Just looking at their bench and Cavani aside they haven't actually got that much to change attacking wise (mind you neither have we!) so just go to keep our shape and hopefully someone like Nakamba can come on for last 20 and close it out.
Good to see we're really fighting to finish top half again.
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It looked a foul on Nicky Morgan to me. Wasn't surprised to see the yellow.
He squealed and looked tearful to be fair. Ollie’s probably lucky not to be off.
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Somehow I’ve got Gabby as the half time pundit and predictably he say Villa by far the best side and want it more than Yanited
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Listening to Stan Petrov’s voice at HT is sweet, sweet medicine after all he went through and fought through. A born winner
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These are dirty bunch. Snide foul after foul.
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They've scarcely acknowledged that we are playing.
To be fair the story is all about them today. Which is fine by me providing we make sure the story doesn't have a happy ending for them at the end of the day.
Agreed. On a not unconnected note, does anyone know if the result of this game will affect the timing of Man. City winning the title? I don't believe they've mentioned it yet...
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Thanks for the Man United analysis in the studio at half time there chaps.
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Well, we all know what Utd need to do to turn this round now.
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This is going to be a very tough second half. These fuckers are the best at coming back late to get something from games. We have be like a sprinter and play as if there is 100 minutes and not 90.
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Belief, Belief, Belief. Come on lads, you are good enough to win this. :)
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Pogba is another sneaky fouler.
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Yanited are obviously going to win this, because if they can't do it by themselves the ref will help them out.
The officials seem to have a policy where the Sky Wankathon teams are allowed to commit cynical early fouls high up the pitch, presumably on the grounds that they're just being really clever. Whereas if anyone else has the temerity to try the same thing, they get the cards out so quick they almost give themselves whiplash.
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This is going to be a very tough second half. These fuckers are the best at coming back late to get something from games. We have be like a sprinter and play as if there is 100 minutes and not 90.
With this lot, if they're losing, it will be 100 minutes.
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Barkley needs to contribute all get subbed.
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I’d take AEG off and bring Ramsey on now otherwise I fear we are going to get run ragged.
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Pogba is another sneaky fouler.
Pogba, Fred and Fernandes all are, McTominay gives away a lot as well but that's because he's a clumsy twat.
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Don't forget, they have had a penalty awarded to them after the final whistle this season
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They've scarcely acknowledged that we are playing.
To be fair the story is all about them today. Which is fine by me providing we make sure the story doesn't have a happy ending for them at the end of the day.
Agreed. On a not unconnected note, does anyone know if the result of this game will affect the timing of Man. City winning the title? I don't believe they've mentioned it yet...
I think they may have mentioned it once, but got away with it.
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Man City and Man U use the same niggly fouls tactic. The foul itself is never enough on its own to get a card but it constantly disrupts the flow for the opponent.
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it was fernandez's reaction to the free kick that annoyed me. The way he sprinted to charge it down as if it was play on. Martinez was forced to pick the ball up.
good half by Villa
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The only mystery is whether we'll throw it away or have it robbed from us.
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Been watching very carefully and have concluded that Jack’s watch is worth a lot more than Troy’s.
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Been watching very carefully and have concluded that Jack’s watch is worth a lot more than Troy
Fixed
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Gabby is a rubbish pundit
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Luiz gets ball, Man U get free kick.
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....And yet more about what yanited to do. They just can't help themselves.
On a more positive note, we did well in the frst half despite a very biased referee who will of course give them a penalty at some point.
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They've scarcely acknowledged that we are playing.
To be fair the story is all about them today. Which is fine by me providing we make sure the story doesn't have a happy ending for them at the end of the day.
Agreed. On a not unconnected note, does anyone know if the result of this game will affect the timing of Man. City winning the title? I don't believe they've mentioned it yet...
I have Spanish commentary and even they keep mentioning Manchester City.
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First half:
Us- Worked hard to stay in the game, cracking goal. Our passing remains erratic.
Them - Dirty bastards, Fernandes is a cheat and they will no doubt score early in the 2nd half and grab all 3 points
Ref - Was pathetic
Nailed it
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Could the commentators be any more desperate for Man U to turn this around?
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Could the commentators be any more desperate for Man U to turn this around?
It's embarrassing.
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How the fuck was that not a foul on Barkley? Ref is doing everything he can for them, the c**t.
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Midfield needs help
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How the fuck was that not a foul on Barkley? Ref is doing everything he can for them, the c**t.
I think its called a strong challenge when it's Man aure.
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How was that not a foul on El Ghazi?
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There's the traditional penalty.
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Fucking hell...there it is
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Shit
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Went down like he'd been shot.
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Wanker.
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Fucking idot luis
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That's so shit from Luiz. Again.
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Penandes never misses penalties.
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Diving cheating wanker.
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Fuck off.
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Gutting, but actually a penalty
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And there you go
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Those wanky stutter penalties should be banned.
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Fucking twat Luiz....brainless
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Luiz is fucking brainless, a total liability.
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That was ridiculous from Luiz. He did not have to do that.
We can complain about the decision all we want but that was plain absurd by Luiz.
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Stupid Luiz
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Fucking awful decision from Douglas.
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Every fucking game
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No complaints about that one. Stonewall
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What are you doing Douglas??
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Very stupid from Luiz.
All the players around him thought the same.
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Soft but probably right but was always coming, these fucking cheating wankers get everything they appeal for against us.
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We know what’s coming now.
Please give Chucks 30 minutes. Barkley is absolute shite.
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Luiz is fucking brainless, a total liability.
He'd played well today up til then :(
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I’m fucking livid with Luiz. These ****** are jacksy enough without fucking giving them gifts.
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Luiz is dumb.
I’m not violent but Fernandes has a very punchable face.
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They do know how to buy a penalty don’t they
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Just so predictable.
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Barkley's a bottler.
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And if the same happened in their penalty area? I think we know how that one would work out.
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Soft but probably right but was always coming, these fucking cheating wankers get everything they appeal for against us.
That was on Luiz and nothing else. Brain dead.
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Please give Chucks 30 minutes. Barkley is absolute shite.
Would love it, but can't see it.
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Pogba was waiting for contact. Still daft by Doug.
They really are a dirty cheating team.
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Man city please take this most unBrazilian Brazilian off us .. for a fee, of course
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We worked hard for that 1-0. Am not amused with Luiz at all.
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Luiz needs a big upgrade in the summer. Shit.
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Luiz was dim, he knew what would happen, it was a stupid challenge
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What was Luiz thinking.
Terrible decision.
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I’m going so watch the ladies second half.
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It’s all so predictable, may as well turn it off.
It will never change.
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Christ sake it’s Groundhog Day every time
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We should bring Barkley on.
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Oh bollocks to it
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Same old
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At least we were only one-nil up before bottling it, this time.
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I hate these fucking ******...and our lot sometimes
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How does Mings allow that turn?!?!?!
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Didn't you just know it?
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I've just got in. Fuck off, fuck off and fuck off.
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Poor goals to give away.
Wish the commentators would fuck off, the myopic pair of twats.
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It's all so fucking predictable with these bastards. Every time.
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Fucking hell. Poor. Emi at fault perhaps
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I hate them.
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Bottlers
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You work so hard to get in front then one player let's you down and the momentum shifts.
Luiz, mate, well done....He was calm until that point and then does that. Unreal.
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Poor from Martinez there.
Went down in instalments.
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We do it to ourselves time after time. We only have ourselves to blame. 7 min into the second half and these ****** have done it again.
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Surprised Emmi let that one in
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And there you go.
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Not like us to throw away against these.
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So pathetically predictable
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Surprised Emmi let that one in
Probably expected it to be played to the far corner
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I have been losing more and more faith in Luiz by the game this season. I have concluded he ain't all that.
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Rashford is a prick aswell.
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Kick out from Saint Marcus of Rashford
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When we get patronized again after the game and throughout the week and for next years fixture against this lot it’s because of every game being like this. We truly are plucky Villa. I’ll be shocked if we come back to grab anything now because we look in shock. I can see them adding at least one more.
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Sort it out Dean!
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We have gone
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They aren’t going to give a
Penalty 2 mins later, especially against this lot
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You fucking cheats
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Zzzzzzzz you dare to dream a bit but this fixture is so predictable every bleeding year, they step up the tempo a bit and we can't handle it at all.
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Where is the handball check?
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You know it would have been given for them
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It looks like Manure will get away with a handball in the area.
That is a handball in my opinion.
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Where is the handball check?
Oh there it is, shock
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His hand is out and blocks the ball. It was a penalty against Cash.
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Where is the handball check?
They spent ages checking it and surprise, surprise it wasn't given
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I genuinely don’t know how that’s not a penalty??
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Sort it out Dean!
He should have at half time, Barkley has done fuck all
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6/4 for a penalty to be awarded. I was going to back it, but didn't.
Anyway, change it up Deano, there is no point in playing out the game like it's a dead rubber.
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Jesus, you just know they would have been given that
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That was a penalty against Greenwood. Of course not given.
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You know it would have been given for them
Rock solid certainty.
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That is a freaking handball. Same thing happened to Cash against City and it was called. Piss off!!!
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I genuinely don’t know how that’s not a penalty??
I do. It’s at the wrong end.
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Well because of the ridiculous handball decisions of this season that was definitely handball.
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It was hardly point blank against him. Definite handball.
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I genuinely don’t know how that’s not a penalty??
Do you REALLY not know?
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I genuinely don’t know how that’s not a penalty??
Because we aren’t Man United
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Of cpourse we weren't getting a penalty for that, those ones only get given in favour of the scab teams.
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Would rather heave seen Big Wes on.
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Definite handball by Greenwood. Absolutely certainly given as one at the other end. No doubt about it.
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I genuinely don’t know how that’s not a penalty??
because it wasn’t for them
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Not sure why it wasn't handball. Arm up, etc. Typical.
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Nice pass back.
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Anyone saying that was a penalty and handball is a bit desperate
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That handball would be monitor checked and given if that was them.
What little chance we have is actually no chance at all.
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I genuinely don’t know how that’s not a penalty??
Do you REALLY not know?
You’re right. I do. 😂
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The game is going to drift away now. They’ll probably win 3-1
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My internet dropped for 5 mins. Should we have had a pen?
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Anyone saying that was a penalty and handball is a bit desperate
OR they remember 2-3 like that being given against us this season.
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The game is going to drift away now. They’ll probably win 3-1
Or Dean could change it and we piss all over them
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Anyone saying that was a penalty and handball is a bit desperate
No more desperate than your bit of attention seeking.
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Anyone saying that was a penalty and handball is a bit desperate
Why? The law is the law.
An uninspiring substitution.
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My internet dropped for 5 mins. Should we have had a pen?
I think it’s dropped for 10 years mate
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My internet dropped for 5 mins. Should we have had a pen?
I reckon so.
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What are you doing Fernandes you weapon?
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Well done mings on cheating ******
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Diving rat
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Anyone saying that was a penalty and handball is a bit desperate
Have you seen the penalties given to them against us over the last 2 seasons? That was a stonewaller in comparison.
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We’re not scoring here.
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Ambulance for Fernandes
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Hinchcliffe really needs to fuck off, the guy has his head so far up Man U's collective arse that you can see him if they yawn.
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Another corner goes by, still no Villa player has got a head to one.
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Under the current rules, definite penalty. Not sure how anyone could argue otherwise. It hit his hand. His hand wasn't in a "natural" position.
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They are going to fall over every 10 seconds now.
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Greenwood taking up Gaelic football in the opposition penalty area?
Nothing to see here, move on.
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We’re not scoring here.
Nope. We will huff and puff to the finish. Lots of farting no end product.
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We’re not scoring here.
Yep it has to be Kienan for Barkley or nothing
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Fernandes is the Uber ******. Pogba not far behind. Both would be fired into the sun if I had my way.
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Hinchcliffe really needs to fuck off, the guy has his head so far up Man U's collective arse that you can see him if they yawn.
Bet when he gets home the wife asks him why his head is covered in shit.
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Leave a few on them Villa
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Stretcher him off.
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Anyone saying that was a penalty and handball is a bit desperate
No more desperate than your bit of attention seeking.
If it was the other way round u would say no way was it a penalty, don’t know what attention seeking has to do with it. Funny though
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Would be nice if we'd been able to play these about 14 days into their 18 day run.
Balance up all the times we face these Kants with key players missing.
That said, the refs and the Stockley Park Reds would still find a way for them to come through.
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For a big block McGuire is a right fucking wimp, goes down screaming under any contact.
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We virtually gift these fuckers six points every season. And without checking our home form since Liverpool seems shite.
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Cavani knobbles AEG who falls into Maguire who moans
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Get Davis on to batter them.Or Wes.
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For a big block McGuire is a right fucking wimp
I'm guessing that's a typo, but I reckon the typo is a better choice of word anyway.
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Fuck off Barkley
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Honestly, Barkley. It’s pitiful.
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Oh, Ross, you're better than that.
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Why is Barkley still on the pitch? He has offered absolutely nothing today.
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Cavani knobbles AEG who falls into Maguire who moans
Yeah how AEG wasn't given a red card for that scandalous challenge on Maguire...
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Bollocks free kick.
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Oh, Ross, you're better than that.
You know... I’m not sure that’s accurate
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Barkley you utter twat.
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Hopeless. Wants the free kick and then doesn’t have a plan on how to take it.
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Cavani knobbles AEG who falls into Maguire who moans
Yeah how AEG wasn't given a red card for that scandalous challenge on Maguire...
VAR checking
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Get the fucker off the pitch.
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Davis and Wesley on.
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For a big block McGuire is a right fucking wimp
I'm guessing that's a typo, but I reckon the typo is a better choice of word anyway.
Yeah, I spotted the typo and decided to leave it.
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Free kick hit it first time FFS
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2 midfielders replaced by 2 strikers ?
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I've seen enough of Barkley. He's just not good or consistent enough.
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Oh, Ross, you're better than that.
You know... I’m not sure that’s accurate
No, it's the sort of thing a commentator says when he means that was fucking shite.
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Corrupt. It’s blatant.
Don’t be surprised if Kavanagh takes the free kick.
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Last week you couldn't criticize Ross here.
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Again our player gets a card.
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Anyone saying that was a penalty and handball is a bit desperate
No more desperate than your bit of attention seeking.
If it was the other way round u would say no way was it a penalty, don’t know what attention seeking has to do with it. Funny though
I think the reason VAR didn't give it is because of the "The ball travels some distance" part of the rules, they could legitimately say it didn't move very far to hit him. I've no idea how far is "enough" distance, but it's a nice vague rule that allows them to chose to do what the fuckever they like on decisions like this...
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2 midfielders replaced by 2 strikers ?
A tactic commonly known as the Paul Lambert
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In fact, I don't think Barkley is any better than Hourihane.
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In fact, I don't think Barkley is any better than Hourihane.
Agreed. His ceiling for individual performances is higher but his average is lower. And he doesn’t have the set piece threat.
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Don't pass there!
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Two stupid errors from Doug and Mings has cost us.
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Just twat it, Keinan.
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Can someone tell me what Jacob Ramsey brings to the table at the moment? Not disputing he has potential, but he needs to go out on loan for a year to bulk up a bit
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Two stupid errors from Doug and Mings has cost us.
And the usual cheating, not awarding us a certain penalty.
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At least we're giving it a proper go - we might lose another goal, but I prefer to see us having a crack!
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I know that both have their moments and will again but does any other side in this division have one let alone two more lumbering centre forwards than us?
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At least we're giving it a proper go - we might lose another goal, but I prefer to see us having a crack!
Yes we are good to see
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Traore has been one of our better players today I think.
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At least we are having a go.
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Nothing is going for us
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Fernandes has got one of those rat faces that you just want to punch, hasn’t he.
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Fernandes has got one of those rat faces that you just want to punch, hasn’t he.
Don't get me started, mate.
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I really hate these.
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Game over
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Bye
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Fuck off.
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I yearn for the day where we score a late goal against them and leave their fans fucked off for days
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Meh. 3-1.
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Cavani is such an annoying twat
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It always ends this way. Whoever is the manager. Whatever the decade
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It’s the hope that kills you.
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What the fuck? Cheating ******!
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Cash asleep there.
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Fairly big standard win for Yanited v us. Never really looked in doubt if we’re honest.
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Rubbish defending then.
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Fuck off football
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To be fair that was a good goal
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I expect nothing against this lot and I'm rarely disappointed.
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Ref can fuck right off, what a wanker.
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We have been pretty shit though..
You can not play with 10 men and as usual we wait to go behind before changing it.
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No Grealish or Watkins then, the two players we can't do without.
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He makes fucking contact
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Of course that would have been a pen had it been Newton Heath.
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It’s all gone pear.
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OMG that is just rubbing it in
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He makes fucking contact
Looked like it to me as well.
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Joke of a ref.
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fucking hell - can't even appeal that due to it being 2 yellows - but I'm sure Henderson touched him? I know he pulled out, but if there's contact how can it be a yellow??
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Oh just fuck off. We lose. I get that as it happens everytime. But how many red cards should Man Utd have had in the last 25 years?
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I don't know about a booking , that would have been a stonewall penalty up the other end
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This ref is a fucking arsehole, not giving the pen is one thing but a yellow card when there's clearly contact is fucking pathetic, I hope Smith calls the prick out for it.
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It's a fucking penalty all day long. He can be pulling out, give a shit, he fucking catches him.
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I don’t mind those not being given but you know if it was the other way round it would be.
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This is probably one of the most shameful 'refereeing' performances I've seen.
Even accounting for it being against this lot.
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2nd yellow was for a dive, apparently
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FFS. My consolation is that I turned the commentary off at half time.
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To be fair, Ollie not been in the match today so, at least Smith has to look at changing his tactics for the next match. Very disappointing display yet again against these toss pots.
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Right we are gonna twat this lot next season
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too many dumb decisions by our players this half
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This ref is a fucking arsehole, not giving the pen is one thing but a yellow card when there's clearly contact is fucking pathetic, I hope Smith calls the prick out for it.
I'd be in rage against the decisions especially as Smith made a point of bringing it up before the match.
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Watkins did look for it - and there was no contact.
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I wish they had fucked off into the Sky Wankers league or whatever it was, the cheating pricks
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At the other end thats a pen.
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From the BBC:
Aston Villa 1-3 Man Utd
Dion Dublin
Former Man Utd and Aston Villa striker on BBC Radio 5 Live
I think that's a bit harsh. It's one of those where the ref could just let it go.
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Watkins did look for it - and there was no contact.
The contact was clear
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Watkins did look for it - and there was no contact.
They've only shown one replay, but it looked like his foot hit Ollie's thigh to me? It doesn't matter if Ollie is looking for it, contact means penalty, as we've seen with the soft pens we've conceded this season?
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Watkins did look for it - and there was no contact.
As I see it, he either gets out of the way to avoid contact and he was impeded.. or he takes 8 metal studs to the knee.
I know what I’d prefer.
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I'll ask again, how are they allowed to have a Manchester referee?
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Watkins did look for it - and there was no contact.
There was clear contact, maybe not enough for a penalty (although it was as much as Luiz on Pogba) but to book for a dive was taking the piss.
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To be fair, Ollie not been in the match today so, at least Smith has to look at changing his tactics for the next match. Very disappointing display yet again against these toss pots.
He’s not in the game because the manager has one tactic. When it works it looks great. When it doesn’t it looks like Ollie hasn’t in the game because he hasn’t.
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To be fair, Ollie not been in the match today so, at least Smith has to look at changing his tactics for the next match. Very disappointing display yet again against these toss pots.
He’s not in the game because the manager has one tactic.
Nah mate, I think it's because he's been sent off.
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Watkins did look for it - and there was no contact.
There was contact
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too many dumb decisions by our players this half
I think we've tried our best but simply can't handle it when they start uping the tempo, start of the half they really pushed the full backs up and midfielders to push on towards edge of the box and we simply get outnumbered in ways we weren't in first half.
Just can't believe how easily Luiz got suckered in to that challenge, we lost belief after that.
Actually interested how we do without Ollie on Thursday. Probably not that great which will at least mean we shouldn't be complacent about getting another decent forward in the summer.
They bring on Cavani, we bring on Davis.
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To be fair, Ollie not been in the match today so, at least Smith has to look at changing his tactics for the next match. Very disappointing display yet again against these toss pots.
He’s not in the game because the manager has one tactic. When it works it looks great. When it doesn’t it looks like Ollie hasn’t in the game because he hasn’t.
Eh?
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I've seen enough of Barkley. He's just not good or consistent enough.
I had seen enough of him weeks ago. Promising start but f*ck all since.
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How we didn't get the penalty for that handball though is beyond me.
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I've seen enough of Barkley. He's just not good or consistent enough.
I had seen enough of him weeks ago. Promising start but f*ck all since.
completely pointless
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Watkins did look for it - and there was no contact.
They've only shown one replay, but it looked like his foot hit Ollie's thigh to me? It doesn't matter if Ollie is looking for it, contact means penalty, as we've seen with the soft pens we've conceded this season?
Yes, that Kane one is a great example.
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That was a disastrous second half. Too many passengers and one brain dead midfielder killed us.
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To be fair, Ollie not been in the match today so, at least Smith has to look at changing his tactics for the next match. Very disappointing display yet again against these toss pots.
He’s not in the game because the manager has one tactic. When it works it looks great. When it doesn’t it looks like Ollie hasn’t in the game because he hasn’t.
Eh?
Because when it doesn’t work he looks entirely isolated. And the manager rarely tries anything else when it doesn’t work. So it’s not always on the player that he looks isolated. When the manager plays the same way all the time the best teams figure out very quickly how to stop it. Everton are not one of the best teams. Man U are.
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Chris Kavanagh from Manchester.........
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Fernandes has got one of those rat faces that you just want to punch, hasn’t he.
Don't get me started, mate.
He reminds me of Freddie Mercury when he was ill.
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What Luiz did was shameful,.I hope he is apologising to his teammates.
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That’s a shameful comment
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(The Freddie Mercury comment )
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That's bollocks
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That’s a shameful comment
If he's got anything about him he should be apologising. The Villa players around the incident couldn't believe what he'd done.
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Ok
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Dougs was a football error. The two penalties we were denied are cheating by the VAR officials. Again, against Man U
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I'm getting sick and fucking tired of handing Yanited 3 points on a plate whenever they come to Villa Park. Sick and fucking tired of it.
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I'm getting sick and fucking tired of handing Yanited 3 points on a plate whenever they come to Villa Park. Sick and fucking tired of it.
It’s taken 30 years to get to this stage? It was boring after year 5.
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It’s shit there is no doubting it. But the next version of Aston Villa needs to be one that takes points off Man City or Man U. We’ve done it against most of the others this season which in of itself is remarkable a year after we just stayed up.
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Pitiful refereeing aside, we've collapsed in that 2nd half. It was a terrible performance.
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I'm getting sick and fucking tired of handing Yanited 3 points on a plate whenever they come to Villa Park. Sick and fucking tired of it.
It’s taken 30 years to get to this stage? It was boring after year 5.
Yeah because it's competitive being pissed off and you obviously win. Congratulations.
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Dougs was a football error. The two penalties we were denied are cheating by the VAR officials. Again, against Man U
"That should have been stamped out of his game when he was a teenager" said Souness
I'll repeat shameful.
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Watkins did look for it - and there was no contact.
As I see it, he either gets out of the way to avoid contact and he was impeded.. or he takes 8 metal studs to the knee.
I know what I’d prefer.
I don't think it was a penalty, but I don't think he warranted a yellow either. Sometimes players just fall in taking evasive action
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Dougs was a football error. The two penalties we were denied are cheating by the VAR officials. Again, against Man U
"That should have been stamped out of his game when he was a teenager" said Souness
I'll repeat shameful.
If ever anyone was an authority on stamping, it was Souness