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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Footy-Vill on April 21, 2021, 09:30:01 AM

Title: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 21, 2021, 09:30:01 AM
Fill O jean - Bid-Ace! Or JPB

Has been involved and training with 1st team activities within the squad on a regular basis since start of the year
19 years old.
Signed up on a new contract for next 3 years to 2024.

An opportunity presents itself with current 1st team players being unavailable so maybe we can expect JPB to be involved in some premier league game time in these remaining games.
I'm hopeful he'll be afforded an opportunity to be named in squad tonight or Vs WBA and an appearance or two from the bench this season.

What do people say of him? Ready and able? Potential superstar?
Would be great to give him that experience, very highly rated and skilled attacking player from looks of things

Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: paul_e on April 21, 2021, 09:51:29 AM
From what I've seen he's got talent and pace but is very raw. If people find Traore frustrating I doubt JPB will be the answer to their concerns.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 21, 2021, 10:13:47 AM
It was reported a few months ago that Barca, PSG and Dortmund were after him. Good news then, and we won't have to retire his shirt now.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Legion on April 21, 2021, 11:07:00 AM
Has potential but is very raw.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: OCD on April 21, 2021, 11:24:24 AM
He'll be going out on loan next season I suspect.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: eamonn on April 21, 2021, 12:17:13 PM
A bold move to give this fella his own thread,  still so raw and unproven. Hope he doesn't succumb to the pressure if he's a regular reader. You'll have to take responsibility, Footy.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 21, 2021, 01:30:20 PM
Jaden, Philogene, Bidace represented me during my public exposure trial. I was found not guilty on the grounds of diminished responsibility again. They were very professional.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 21, 2021, 01:45:58 PM
Jaden, Philogene, Bidace represented me during my public exposure trial. I was found not guilty on the grounds of diminished responsibility again. They were very professional.

:) It does sound like something out of a John Grisham novel.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 21, 2021, 04:50:16 PM
Jaden, Philogene, Bidace represented me during my public exposure trial. I was found not guilty on the grounds of diminished responsibility again. They were very professional.

:) It does sound like something out of a John Grisham novel.

It probably will be in a future Lee Child novel !
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 21, 2021, 05:17:28 PM
Jaden, Philogene, Bidace represented me during my public exposure trial. I was found not guilty on the grounds of diminished responsibility again. They were very professional.

:) It does sound like something out of a John Grisham novel.

It probably will be in a future Lee Child novel !

Very true, but either way I'm just glad SE got off.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 21, 2021, 05:23:02 PM
Jaden, Philogene, Bidace represented me during my public exposure trial. I was found not guilty on the grounds of diminished responsibility again. They were very professional.

:) It does sound like something out of a John Grisham novel.

It probably will be in a future Lee Child novel !

Very true, but either way I'm just glad SE got off.

I didn't get off with anyone. I just showed them where it all was.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 22, 2021, 02:00:01 AM
JPB contributed very little in the U-23 game against Leeds.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: olaftab on April 22, 2021, 04:56:03 AM
We have waited a long time to move from JPA to JPB.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2021, 10:31:39 AM
Class A, Class B - is that the only chemistry...between us? (one for SexualEalingInMexico)
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 22, 2021, 10:54:42 AM
Class A, Class B - is that the only chemistry...between us? (one for SexualEalingInMexico)

Maybe we're just Streatham trash, Eamonn.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: caster troy on April 22, 2021, 11:15:51 AM
JPB contributed very little in the U-23 game against Leeds.

Has he been injured this season? I've watched all the streamed U23/youth games in the last few months and he hasn't featured much. The one game I did see he looked hard working and talented but didn't stand out massively compared to others.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 25, 2021, 06:08:47 PM
Great to see included in squad and on the bench today v WBA
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2021, 06:40:27 PM
JPB contributed very little in the U-23 game against Leeds.

Has he been injured this season? I've watched all the streamed U23/youth games in the last few months and he hasn't featured much. The one game I did see he looked hard working and talented but didn't stand out massively compared to others.

He's been training with the first team and because of the covid bubbles he wasn't allowed to go back to the U23s, or something similar, Smith was talking about it in one of the press conferences, can't remember exactly when.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: darren woolley on April 25, 2021, 06:56:19 PM
It's good to see him on the bench.
Title: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 19, 2021, 08:46:34 PM
Looked confident and assured when he came on, I thought. Don't think he can play on Monday so I'd be tempted to start him against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Monty on May 19, 2021, 09:05:40 PM
Looked technically there, was a pest off the ball and never looked overawed by the situation. Neither he nor Carney had too long, but they can both be proud of themselves and hopefully they can push on.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 19, 2021, 09:06:26 PM
is he a wide forward?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: dicedlam on May 19, 2021, 09:06:37 PM
Looked confident and assured when he came on, I thought. Don't think he can play on Monday so I'd be tempted to start him against Chelsea.

I would definitley give him more minutes. Like you, I thought when he came on (and Carney for that matter) they both had a look of 'this is where I belong' and were unfazed. I love that type of confidence. Very similar to how Jack was in his early Villa games.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 19, 2021, 09:13:36 PM
Great to see him get on the pitch and liked his touches!
Well played !
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 19, 2021, 09:14:49 PM
Apologies, didn't realise he already had a thread. Can a grown up merge them, please?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 19, 2021, 09:19:27 PM
Apologies, didn't realise he already had a thread. Can a grown up merge them, please?

No worries. Done.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 19, 2021, 09:22:54 PM
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2021, 09:27:09 PM
is he a wide forward?

yep, from what I've seen I think he could play all across the front line, he's very quick (especially over 10 yards) as well but never really got a chance to show it today. I hope he gets a much bigger chance against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: darren woolley on May 19, 2021, 10:10:21 PM
He did well when he came on another good young prospect we have got.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Small Rodent on May 19, 2021, 11:52:36 PM
Class A, Class B - is that the only chemistry...between us? (one for SexualEalingInMexico)

Maybe we're just Streatham trash, Eamonn.

Why Streatham?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2021, 03:25:01 PM
Hes having a good pre season.
Think have a special talent here and needs to be in and around the squad be given opportunity -like him.
If not give him a solid club with a decent loan insisting he gets matches nd have him monitored . Dont want him wasted.
Definitely needs to be playing football and can do well given the right coaching and development.

Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: darren woolley on July 31, 2021, 10:36:02 PM
I agree he's having a good pre season.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2021, 10:42:00 PM
Class A, Class B - is that the only chemistry...between us? (one for SexualEalingInMexico)

Maybe we're just Streatham trash, Eamonn.

Why Streatham?

Sorry, SR, very late to this. It's a lyric to a Suede song. No offence intended. I had a one-night stand with a woman who lived in SW16 when I was 21. No complaints at all.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Small Rodent on July 31, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
Class A, Class B - is that the only chemistry...between us? (one for SexualEalingInMexico)

Maybe we're just Streatham trash, Eamonn.

Why Streatham?

Sorry, SR, very late to this. It's a lyric to a Suede song. No offence intended. I had a one-night stand with a woman who lived in SW16 when I was 21. No complaints at all.

I probably know her!
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2021, 11:02:54 PM
I doubt she lives there now. She had a first in Maths from Oxford and had just started working in a grad job in the City. She probably owns most of Northumbria these days.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace (JPB)
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2021, 12:02:55 AM
Gosh, were you mixing in such socially elite circles at the time? What went wrong?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2021, 09:30:00 AM
I doubt she lives there now. She had a first in Maths from Oxford and had just started working in a grad job in the City. She probably owns most of Northumbria these days.

Is that another Suede lyric? Or the little known 4th verse to Common People by Pulp?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2021, 09:36:13 AM
Sounds more like I Spy (which is my favourite song in the world).
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2021, 10:50:37 AM
Ladbroke Grove looks v Streatham trash
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2021, 10:54:18 AM
Ladbroke Grove looks v Streatham trash

Best key-change in history right there (Ladbroke Grove, not Streatham).
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2021, 11:45:38 AM
Sounds more like I Spy (which is my favourite song in the world).

That's one of 4-5 fantastic songs on different class and I don't count the 2 really well known ones in that.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2021, 11:47:30 AM
I doubt she lives there now. She had a first in Maths from Oxford and had just started working in a grad job in the City. She probably owns most of Northumbria these days.

Is that another Suede lyric? Or the little known 4th verse to Common People by Pulp?

There would be a slight pause I think, then '....the cow'.

Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2021, 12:08:24 PM
Ladbroke Grove looks v Streatham trash

Best key-change in history right there (Ladbroke Grove, not Streatham).

There's an amazing performance of I Spy from Later/Jools when the album came out. Morrissey was also performing on the show that night. Watching-on, there must have been some part of him lamenting his Northern Outsider Lyrical/Pop Genius crown being removed. Then again, you can never under-estimate his ego. A couple of weeks later he had a strop at being a support-act for Bowie and left the tour.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
Ladbroke Grove looks v Streatham trash

Best key-change in history right there (Ladbroke Grove, not Streatham).

There's an amazing performance of I Spy from Later/Jools when the album came out. Morrissey was also performing on the show that night. Watching-on, there must have been some part of him lamenting his Northern Outsider Lyrical/Pop Genius crown being removed. Then again, you can never under-estimate his ego. A couple of weeks later he had a strop at being a support-act for Bowie and left the tour.

I was there when he pulled out in Glasgow.

Edit: that's an open goal really. I'll start the bidding at Ross McCormack's dad.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2021, 12:49:20 PM
Sounds more like I Spy (which is my favourite song in the world).

That's one of 4-5 fantastic songs on different class and I don't count the 2 really well known ones in that.

There are 12 songs on the album Paul, all of them are fantastic. There are four or five of the greatest songs of all time on there, which is what you meant to say, I'm sure! ;)

Anyway this typical H&V veering off into unrelated waters is very welcome today. Here's Pulp doing Common People at Reading in 2011.



Oh and JPB looks the real deal.

Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2021, 12:53:03 PM
Sounds more like I Spy (which is my favourite song in the world).

That's one of 4-5 fantastic songs on different class and I don't count the 2 really well known ones in that.

There are 12 songs on the album Paul, all of them are fantastic. There are four or five of the greatest songs of all time on there, which is what you meant to say, I'm sure! ;)

Anyway this typical H&V veering off into unrelated waters is very welcome today. Here's Pulp doing Common People at Reading in 2011.



Oh and JPB looks the real deal.

You are correct of course, I menat fantastic in relation to the album not normal music. Having had a listen through since it came up I'm struggling between i-Spy, Sorted for Es and Wizz, FEELINGCALLEDLOVE, Pencil Skirt and Bar Italia still.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 02, 2021, 01:16:11 PM
It's I Spy.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2021, 01:38:39 PM
Catcliffe Shakedown for me (not really but it's hilarious).

Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2021, 03:34:52 PM
Sounds more like I Spy (which is my favourite song in the world).

That's one of 4-5 fantastic songs on different class and I don't count the 2 really well known ones in that.

There are 12 songs on the album Paul, all of them are fantastic. There are four or five of the greatest songs of all time on there, which is what you meant to say, I'm sure! ;)

Anyway this typical H&V veering off into unrelated waters is very welcome today. Here's Pulp doing Common People at Reading in 2011.



Oh and JPB looks the real deal.

I went to the last gig they did, Sheffield Arena 9th December 2012. I'd been married a year, no kids....oh how life has changed.

That was quite a gig that was. We just got tickets, right at the very back, but perfectly central, brilliant view of the whole place.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2021, 03:56:21 PM
Was there too, Drumm. Magnificent gig. They even played Sheffield:Sex City !
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 02:25:45 PM
Now will JPB  be a pushing squad player with apperances or out on loan.
19 years old now and has a few years on CC.
Interesting to see as can be useful already by looks of things
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 05:19:22 PM
For those there or watched how was this game today or the minutes he played as I see he was in the starting 11. Chance he may start next week then?
Do we guess JPB will be in and around the squad this season maybe .
Or if not come end of month he's  loans out.
Think he's highly rated
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 05:26:40 PM
The boy has a touch of class about him.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 05:37:47 PM
He must be pushing and besides he be one of those most match fit wide forwards coming into next week match
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 08, 2021, 05:38:39 PM
I know nothing about this lad - what position does he play?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 05:42:03 PM
I thought he was an attacking midfielder who could play wide but I noticed in some of the pre-season games that he has a striker's positional awareness for sniffing out a goal.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 05:42:31 PM
I know nothing about this lad - what position does he play?
Winger. Attacker.

Dean Smith said last season "Yep, he's a good player. He's got really good balance, good feet. He's probably working now on improving his end product. That's the biggest thing he needs to improve at the moment.
He's been training regularly with the first-team squad; him, Carney and Kaine have been with us regular. They've been inside our bubble so we're seeing a lot more of them each day and they're getting better."
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Matt C on August 08, 2021, 05:43:17 PM
He seems to have got a fair few minutes in pre-season.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Ian. on August 08, 2021, 05:48:23 PM
He seems another very exciting player, could be a good season for him. He also looks physically ready for it now.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 08, 2021, 05:49:14 PM
Yes I thought he played with strength and energy…impressed!
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 05:53:03 PM
With a scholarship at a professional club proving elusive, Philogene-Bidace at 16 was asked along to the Pro:Direct Academy in London by a coach he’d impressed.

Pro:Direct offers talented young footballers between the ages of 16 and 18 a second chance. They claim to have links to more than 40 professional clubs in England
Ahmed Abdulla, who looked after JPB said this:
"He's a really big character. Some people are shy, he won’t be like that, he’ll go in there thinking he’s better than everyone else - not in a negative way, he’s just extremely confident.
He won’t be shy to ask for the ball. He hunts the ball and makes things happen
He’s a right footer but he plays off the left, He can come inside or go on the outside. The model winger.
He hugs the touchline and can beat his man. Very confident and very light on his feet and skips past tackles, not one of them that gets hit and goes down. He bounces off tackles."
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2021, 06:10:21 PM
Looks promising.  Send him on loan so he comes back ready.
Whilst El Ghazi (young) is here he will always be the second winger to be selected. 
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2021, 06:15:28 PM
I think loan is best too though he's a older than Barry and Hayden and club seems to be intent on pathways for the youth. So keep them here is an option.
JPB and CC seem exceptional and are being fast tracked as it were and I can see them and Ramsey being part of the first team squad and some match day squads till January at least.
But if loans I do hope he gets championship and regular football.
League one is fine for Barry and League 2 Hayden but a player who has been in around the first team and making debut has to stay at a competitor level.  That's his incentive if he's being loaned championship or stays around the first team squad. If not always been in match day squads.
Getting dropped out to league one after coming on and beating the European champions isn't helpful message. Same for CC.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2021, 06:31:21 PM
Valid points Footy.  I guess it just emphasises that the club need to be strategic about how the best young players are developed; either sending them or loan or creating space in the squad so they can get minutes. 

   
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: darren woolley on August 08, 2021, 06:34:13 PM
He played well today.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 06:47:05 PM
How do you pronounce his surname?  I'm getting Hyacinth Bucket traumas.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 08, 2021, 06:48:29 PM
How do you pronounce his surname?  I'm getting Hyacinth Bucket traumas.
Bucket
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2021, 06:49:30 PM
Booooo-kaaaaay
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2021, 06:51:37 PM
Looks very direct, has a good shape for reciving the ball, then gets it out of his feet and runs. Can see him getting a few sub appearances when we want to put the opposition onto the back foot
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2021, 07:07:50 PM
Played well today and did well to pull back for Ings to score. He will get better and better.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: fredm on August 08, 2021, 09:41:27 PM
To me he has that knack of being in the right place at the right time, either to set up a chance (as he did with the knock back today) or to have a shot on goal. Some players appear to have this natural instinct and others have to work at it. I think with him it comes naturally and will see him progress rapidly into a first team squad regular.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Richard E on August 08, 2021, 10:30:12 PM
He’s going to be a great addition to the 2026-27 Man City squad.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2021, 10:32:10 PM
How do you pronounce his surname?  I'm getting Hyacinth Bucket traumas.

Absolutely no idea. I've been going with [Fill-o-JEAN]-[Bee-DATCH-Chee] but it's undoubtedly wrong so JPB may be easier.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Des Little on August 08, 2021, 10:41:24 PM
Really impressed with this lad, a future starter is a real possibility.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Smoke on August 08, 2021, 10:51:29 PM
Bid as in Lid
Ace as in lace


Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 08, 2021, 11:03:22 PM
Played well again today, and for all the good new players we have signed I think he will get some games this season.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2021, 11:18:47 PM
I honestly don't think he'll be going out on loan, I think he's one of those players where we'll bypass the need for that.

I think this season, with 9 on the bench still a thing (and hopefully here to stay), him and chuk will be regulars on there and they'll each get 10-15 sub appearances and maybe a start or 2 before next summer (a lot like Ramsey last year). They both look about ready for that role (technically and physically) and more importantly both seem to be mentally capable of mixing it with the seniors.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 09, 2021, 01:56:45 PM
I must admit to no to knowing much about the youngsters coming through as there are many false dawns (i was always hopeful the the like of O'Hair would go onto be big for us) but i am really impressed with what i have seen of both JPD and Chuck and think they will be introduced over the season.

I just cannot wait for it to start now
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2021, 02:05:25 PM
I honestly don't think he'll be going out on loan, I think he's one of those players where we'll bypass the need for that.

I think this season, with 9 on the bench still a thing (and hopefully here to stay), him and chuk will be regulars on there and they'll each get 10-15 sub appearances and maybe a start or 2 before next summer (a lot like Ramsey last year). They both look about ready for that role (technically and physically) and more importantly both seem to be mentally capable of mixing it with the seniors.
He does look like he can be very useful, but don't you think there's a balance between him being useful to the squad and stifling his development?  I'm thinking of the likes of Davis and Green.  It was useful to have them about but ultimately detrimental to their careers.  A full season in a lower league may be better form him (and us) in the long run.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2021, 04:27:22 PM
I honestly don't think he'll be going out on loan, I think he's one of those players where we'll bypass the need for that.

I think this season, with 9 on the bench still a thing (and hopefully here to stay), him and chuk will be regulars on there and they'll each get 10-15 sub appearances and maybe a start or 2 before next summer (a lot like Ramsey last year). They both look about ready for that role (technically and physically) and more importantly both seem to be mentally capable of mixing it with the seniors.
He does look like he can be very useful, but don't you think there's a balance between him being useful to the squad and stifling his development?  I'm thinking of the likes of Davis and Green.  It was useful to have them about but ultimately detrimental to their careers.  A full season in a lower league may be better form him (and us) in the long run.

Every player has to be taken in isolation to decide what they need to make the step up.

The question here is "Will JPB learn more spending a year at stoke (for example) where he starts 25-30 games than he will training with our seniors"?

From what I've seen I think he'll learn a lot from training with Young to learn to not try to do too much and training with Watkins and Ings to see how they move and find space. I'd look at it again in January but for now it's better for him to be training with 'the best' than it is for him to be taking kicks at a lower level. It is definitely a balance but I just think him and Chuk are probably not good fits for loans this month.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 09, 2021, 05:45:26 PM
Surely he will be known as JPB?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2021, 05:51:32 PM
I honestly don't think he'll be going out on loan, I think he's one of those players where we'll bypass the need for that.

I think this season, with 9 on the bench still a thing (and hopefully here to stay), him and chuk will be regulars on there and they'll each get 10-15 sub appearances and maybe a start or 2 before next summer (a lot like Ramsey last year). They both look about ready for that role (technically and physically) and more importantly both seem to be mentally capable of mixing it with the seniors.
He does look like he can be very useful, but don't you think there's a balance between him being useful to the squad and stifling his development?  I'm thinking of the likes of Davis and Green.  It was useful to have them about but ultimately detrimental to their careers.  A full season in a lower league may be better form him (and us) in the long run.

Every player has to be taken in isolation to decide what they need to make the step up.

The question here is "Will JPB learn more spending a year at stoke (for example) where he starts 25-30 games than he will training with our seniors"?

From what I've seen I think he'll learn a lot from training with Young to learn to not try to do too much and training with Watkins and Ings to see how they move and find space. I'd look at it again in January but for now it's better for him to be training with 'the best' than it is for him to be taking kicks at a lower level. It is definitely a balance but I just think him and Chuk are probably not good fits for loans this month.
Makes sense.  I've no problem keeping them around, just so long as they are progressing.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2021, 07:12:40 PM
How do you pronounce his surname?  I'm getting Hyacinth Bucket traumas.

judging from the goal highlights the Villa commentary team yesterday seemed to be going with [Be-Dace].
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: SaddVillan on August 11, 2021, 07:19:12 PM
Jadon Philogene-Bidace
Aka
Jadon Philogene-The Ace?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 24, 2021, 07:13:51 PM
JPB starting Vs Barrow looking forward to seeing him showcase his talent should be able to give their defenders the runaround
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: darren woolley on August 24, 2021, 08:40:34 PM
playing well so far.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: LeeB on August 24, 2021, 09:12:11 PM
I really like this kid.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 24, 2021, 09:20:38 PM
Such a natural talent.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Ad@m on August 24, 2021, 09:21:11 PM
Such a natural finisher.
Hoping Legion hasn't knocked himself out over celebrating.

Wrong thread?!
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 24, 2021, 09:22:24 PM
Such a natural finisher.
Hoping Legion hasn't knocked himself out over celebrating.

Wrong thread?!
Correct
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Ad@m on August 24, 2021, 09:33:36 PM
This guy's the real deal. We've got some seriously talented kids coming through.

Grealish who?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 24, 2021, 09:50:13 PM
Has something about him. Looks like he's got it.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 24, 2021, 09:53:22 PM
Excellent prospect. Really good again tonight.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: newryvillain on August 24, 2021, 10:14:23 PM
That pass for Cam’s hat-trick was world class. Not too many would have that sort of poise to wait and then thread that through the eye of a needle.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: LeeB on August 24, 2021, 10:18:09 PM
That pass for Cam’s hat-trick was world class. Not too many would have that sort of poise to wait and then thread that through the eye of a needle.

For El Ghazi's second goal too, he was under pressure going towards his own goal and could've easily knocked it back, but he cut it back into Hourihane, who then had time to pick out the forward pass.

He was excellent, as he has been whenever I've seen him, looks a real player.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2021, 10:27:03 PM
He's another one that looks great, has a bit of pace and directness that will serve him well. I reckon he can learn a lot from Bailey, has a similar swagger to his game.

If nothing else the u23s are going to earn us a lot of money in the next few years.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 24, 2021, 10:31:29 PM
That pass for Cam’s hat-trick was world class. Not too many would have that sort of poise to wait and then thread that through the eye of a needle.

It's not often that, 5-0 up against 4th division opponents, I get excited by a pass. It was phenomenal.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: LeeB on August 24, 2021, 10:32:19 PM
That's a good point Paul, Chelsea have funded their spending by offloading prospects for large fees, and we're now being seen as a talent factory which will push up the values in itself.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 24, 2021, 10:33:58 PM

That pass for Cam’s hat-trick was world class. Not too many would have that sort of poise to wait and then thread that through the eye of a needle.

It's not often that, 5-0 up against 4th division opponents, I get excited by a pass. It was phenomenal.
It was tricksy as well.He's looking back down the pitch and duped the defence .
What a no look pass for Archer 3rd was so sublime.
Shame JPB didn't get on score sheet himself with a good chance when Guilbert scored but lovely plays by him .
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: eamonn on August 24, 2021, 10:35:40 PM
Yeah, not sure how we're going to keep all these talented players happy, unless we buy a feeder club or Aston Villa B are granted permission to start on the football pyramid.

More realistically, selling those who can't quite make the first team regularly at a high price is presumably one of the ways NSWE see us being a profitable club/company going forward.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 24, 2021, 10:37:40 PM
My kind of player. Won't be long until he gets his first goal, either for us or on loan.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: chrisw1 on August 25, 2021, 09:01:08 AM
That pass!
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2021, 09:07:52 AM
these youngsters excite me more than Ings, Buendia and Bailey - fuck it - this is amazing
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2021, 09:14:02 AM
There is something about this boy......
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: King Cropley on August 25, 2021, 09:17:28 AM
There is something about this boy......

Agreed - I know it was 'only' Barrow, but I thought he was the best player on the pitch.....
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: LukeJames on August 25, 2021, 09:22:54 AM
That cross for Archers headed chance aswell!
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Scratchins on August 25, 2021, 09:33:55 AM
I woke up smiling at the image of JPB waiting to feed Cam in for the 6th and his hat trick. He could have tried to grab the glory but that was real team work.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: eamonn on August 25, 2021, 09:37:08 AM
Rob Green on 5Live said there was one or two of those moments when JPB did something with the ball where the opposition fans stopped jeering and hushed, while turning to the person next to them, looking impressed and that only happens when in the presence of something special.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: caster troy on August 25, 2021, 09:43:29 AM
I hope he gets 20 mins against Brentford, I reckon he would cause havoc against tiring defences and will be pushing El Ghazi and Traore hard for a starting spot soon.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 25, 2021, 09:58:07 AM
I like the look of this lad. He has a lot of talent.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: FatSam on August 25, 2021, 10:10:45 AM
Rob Green on 5Live said there was one or two of those moments when JPB did something with the ball where the opposition fans stopped jeering and hushed, while turning to the person next to them, looking impressed and that only happens when in the presence of something special.
Rob Green is a good co-commentator. I enjoy listening to him more than Danny Murphy or Jermaine Jenas.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Smithy on August 25, 2021, 11:12:42 AM
The 'no-look' assist for Archer's hat-trick goal was outrageous. Brilliantly so. Yes, it was against Barrow, and yes we were 5-0 up with all the pressure off, but still, it was the sort of pass you can't 'coach' a player to make - they either have the vision to do something like that, or they don't.

This boy definitely does.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: OCD on August 25, 2021, 11:36:01 AM
Rob Green on 5Live said there was one or two of those moments when JPB did something with the ball where the opposition fans stopped jeering and hushed, while turning to the person next to them, looking impressed and that only happens when in the presence of something special.
Rob Green is a good co-commentator. I enjoy listening to him more than Danny Murphy or Jermaine Jenas.

I like Jenas but Danny Murphy is such a miserable sod. No idea why, he must have made a load of money doing something few get the chance to.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2021, 11:56:12 AM
I think Jenas is my least favourite of the lot, I dislike him even more than Murphy, who I can't stand.  God knows how either of them got a job as a pundit. You surely need to be at least one of the following: insightful, intelligent, articulate and/or interesting/entertaining. That pair aren't any of them.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Vegas on August 25, 2021, 12:03:55 PM
They’re both at a kind of zero out of ten level, but in slightly different ways - Jenas churns out the most boring, bland elevator music-style punditry imaginable (“they’ll be looking to get the first goal today”, “they won’t want to concede in the first 15 minutes”, no fucking shit), whereas Murphy also adds nothing intelligent but is whiny and indignant about bizarre, irrelevant things (most recently specialist coaches), possibly as a result of his bitterness about how his career fizzled out, and also is strangely and persistently anti-Villa.

If I was in charge I would immediately for them both, but would take more pleasure from firing Murphy.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 25, 2021, 03:20:12 PM
I like the look of this lad. He has a lot of talent.

He reminds me of Young when he was with us first time round, but quicker.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: thick_mike on August 25, 2021, 04:18:42 PM
His pass for Archer’s hat-trick goal is my moment of the season so far
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: dave shelley on August 25, 2021, 04:32:05 PM
It was said in commentary that the pass by JP-B for Archer's hat-trick took out four defenders, he wasn't wrong, you can't defend against that kind of insight.  This lad is really a special talent, long may he continue.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 25, 2021, 04:42:12 PM
His pass for Archer’s hat-trick goal is my moment of the season so far
It was said in commentary that the pass by JP-B for Archer's hat-trick took out four defenders, he wasn't wrong, you can't defend against that kind of insight.  This lad is really a special talent, long may he continue.
These.

JPB was brilliant pre-season, and even more brillianter last night!
He will be pushing El Ghazi and Bert very soon.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2021, 06:48:26 PM
It was the kind of pass that the deserter would see and play. JPB clearly has bags of talent. I hope he can develop and get the game time to show it.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Ian. on August 25, 2021, 07:39:05 PM
We’ve some player on our hands haven’t we? He’s absolutely going to be so good. last season I was starting to get excited with Chukwuemeka coming into his own this year, however this lad looks a class above already.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: chrisw1 on August 26, 2021, 07:07:29 AM
We’ve some player on our hands haven’t we? He’s absolutely going to be so good. last season I was starting to get excited with Chukwuemeka coming into his own this year, however this lad looks a class above already.
I agree.  It feels to me that JPB is more likley to make an impression this season - he's looked lively most times he's played.  I think we should probably consider letting Chuck go on loan if we can find him a decent club.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Clampy on August 26, 2021, 07:10:52 AM
We’ve some player on our hands haven’t we? He’s absolutely going to be so good. last season I was starting to get excited with Chukwuemeka coming into his own this year, however this lad looks a class above already.
I agree.  It feels to me that JPB is more likley to make an impression this season - he's looked lively most times he's played.  I think we should probably consider letting Chuck go on loan if we can find him a decent club.

I disagree with that. We haven't got much in the way of attacking options in the middle as it is and with a 9 man bench, we can afford to keep him here and be amongst the first team squad.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Ian. on August 26, 2021, 07:21:12 AM
I’d like both to stay and hopefully pick up plenty of game time this season. I reckon if SJM takes a knock Chuck could easily come in to that role.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: chrisw1 on August 26, 2021, 07:24:26 AM
We’ve some player on our hands haven’t we? He’s absolutely going to be so good. last season I was starting to get excited with Chukwuemeka coming into his own this year, however this lad looks a class above already.
I agree.  It feels to me that JPB is more likley to make an impression this season - he's looked lively most times he's played.  I think we should probably consider letting Chuck go on loan if we can find him a decent club.

I disagree with that. We haven't got much in the way of attacking options in the middle as it is and with a 9 man bench, we can afford to keep him here and be amongst the first team squad.
Maybe I'm being harsh but I'm not sure Chuck is up to PL level yet.  It may be useful to have him on occasion, but overall I just feel both his and our best interests would be better served if he could get a solid season in tha Championship, rather than a handful of cameos for us.  It worked for the likes of Mount, Barnes, Harrison & Tammy (and Grealish of course).  Obviously there's examples both ways, but I don't want another Andre Green / Keinan situation.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: andyh on August 26, 2021, 07:42:12 AM
JPB is a real talent.
He got better and better as the game went on the other night.
He made the last goal from start to finish and although his world class pass to Archer got recognised, it hasn’t been highlighted how he started that move, winning the ball in midfield, driving forward to the box and then continuing his run ready to make that pass.

I’m sure he’s going to be nurtured and allowed to flourish into something special.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 26, 2021, 08:26:40 AM
JPB is a real talent.
He got better and better as the game went on the other night.
He made the last goal from start to finish and although his world class pass to Archer got recognised, it hasn’t been highlighted how he started that move, winning the ball in midfield, driving forward to the box and then continuing his run ready to make that pass.

I’m sure he’s going to be nurtured and allowed to flourish into something special.

I was so impressed with his tenacity and presence of mind to get back on the ball after Archer had run into a bit of a blind alley in the 18yd box.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 26, 2021, 11:29:41 AM
Rob Green on 5Live said there was one or two of those moments when JPB did something with the ball where the opposition fans stopped jeering and hushed, while turning to the person next to them, looking impressed and that only happens when in the presence of something special.
Rob Green is a good co-commentator. I enjoy listening to him more than Danny Murphy or Jermaine Jenas.
That's not a very high bar, though!

Danny always sounds like his dog's just died.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Diablo on August 26, 2021, 06:55:47 PM
Rob Green on 5Live said there was one or two of those moments when JPB did something with the ball where the opposition fans stopped jeering and hushed, while turning to the person next to them, looking impressed and that only happens when in the presence of something special.
Rob Green is a good co-commentator. I enjoy listening to him more than Danny Murphy or Jermaine Jenas.
That's not a very high bar, though!

Danny always sounds like his dog's just died.
As well as the fact that (it sounds like) his dog is in a perpetual cyclical state of passing I've never heard Danny Murphy say a good thing about us - in fact just the opposite.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 26, 2021, 07:27:19 PM
Rob Green on 5Live said there was one or two of those moments when JPB did something with the ball where the opposition fans stopped jeering and hushed, while turning to the person next to them, looking impressed and that only happens when in the presence of something special.
Rob Green is a good co-commentator. I enjoy listening to him more than Danny Murphy or Jermaine Jenas.
That's not a very high bar, though!

Danny always sounds like his dog's just died.
As well as the fact that (it sounds like) his dog is in a perpetual cyclical state of passing I've never heard Danny Murphy say a good thing about us - in fact just the opposite.

Yes he never has a good word to say about us.
I don't recall him having reason to be as he is though?
He fights with Jenas as the worst pundit out there.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: CT on August 26, 2021, 08:22:43 PM
Rob Green on 5Live said there was one or two of those moments when JPB did something with the ball where the opposition fans stopped jeering and hushed, while turning to the person next to them, looking impressed and that only happens when in the presence of something special.
Rob Green is a good co-commentator. I enjoy listening to him more than Danny Murphy or Jermaine Jenas.
That's not a very high bar, though!

Danny always sounds like his dog's just died.
As well as the fact that (it sounds like) his dog is in a perpetual cyclical state of passing I've never heard Danny Murphy say a good thing about us - in fact just the opposite.

Yes he never has a good word to say about us.
I don't recall him having reason to be as he is though?
He fights with Jenas as the worst pundit out there.

I think Danny Mills would be chasing a place in the top 2 for me.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: FatSam on August 26, 2021, 08:33:57 PM
Rob Green on 5Live said there was one or two of those moments when JPB did something with the ball where the opposition fans stopped jeering and hushed, while turning to the person next to them, looking impressed and that only happens when in the presence of something special.
Rob Green is a good co-commentator. I enjoy listening to him more than Danny Murphy or Jermaine Jenas.
That's not a very high bar, though!

Danny always sounds like his dog's just died.
As well as the fact that (it sounds like) his dog is in a perpetual cyclical state of passing I've never heard Danny Murphy say a good thing about us - in fact just the opposite.

Yes he never has a good word to say about us.
I don't recall him having reason to be as he is though?
He fights with Jenas as the worst pundit out there.
Yes, on MOTD after we beat Leicester last season, he said that we set out to spoil the game, which is the most one-eyed piece of lazy punditry I have ever heard.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 26, 2021, 09:06:42 PM
Rob Green on 5Live said there was one or two of those moments when JPB did something with the ball where the opposition fans stopped jeering and hushed, while turning to the person next to them, looking impressed and that only happens when in the presence of something special.
Rob Green is a good co-commentator. I enjoy listening to him more than Danny Murphy or Jermaine Jenas.
That's not a very high bar, though!

Danny always sounds like his dog's just died.
As well as the fact that (it sounds like) his dog is in a perpetual cyclical state of passing I've never heard Danny Murphy say a good thing about us - in fact just the opposite.

Yes he never has a good word to say about us.
I don't recall him having reason to be as he is though?
He fights with Jenas as the worst pundit out there.

I think Danny Mills would be chasing a place in the top 2 for me.

He!s shit and he hates us, but he went up in my estimation the other day when he correctly pointed that people who boo simple anti-racist gestures are racists.

Even Danny Mills can work that out.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 26, 2021, 09:23:54 PM
Yeah he surprised me as well Percy because he's as thick as pig shit. Maybe not quite Delph thick.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: andyh on August 26, 2021, 10:33:11 PM
If, the next time they play, Joe makes a pass that is a good as the one JPB played for our 6th goal, the media will have a wankfest and bellow  ‘that’s why Man City paid £100m for him’.

He’d have find a pass THAT good first though.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: pelty on August 29, 2021, 06:28:54 AM
Should have started yesterday.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: charleeco7 on August 29, 2021, 07:17:08 AM
Should have started yesterday.

Over who? Buendia scored and I though El Ghazi had one of his better games.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Demitri_C on August 29, 2021, 07:38:40 AM
Should have started yesterday.

Maybe as a sub. I did think aeg would get sent off as the ref was a wanker. Thats only reason
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2021, 09:27:46 PM
This kid is going to be very good. After a super display at Barrow two more goals tonight vs Wycombe
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2021, 10:20:04 PM
This kid is going to be very good. After a super display at Barrow two more goals tonight vs Wycombe

I agree, he looks a bit special, I think I said a few weeks back I think he'll learn a lot training with Bailey in particular, seems a similar style player.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 10:43:42 PM
Anyone got a link to his goals tonight?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: UK Redsox on August 31, 2021, 10:54:42 PM
Anyone got a link to his goals tonight?

Cam’s goal is in his thread, but I haven’t seen the others
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Legion on August 31, 2021, 10:55:35 PM
It's the only one I have.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2021, 11:01:01 PM
Anyone got a link to his goals tonight?

I believe this is his 2nd. https://twitter.com/zenga1602/status/1432795581219577859
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2021, 11:10:26 PM
He's going to be decent isn't he. Shame he didn't get any minutes against Brentford.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2021, 12:20:53 AM
I’m sure he’s going to get plenty of minutes this season. I wonder if these kids coming through are why we’ve held back since the arrival of Buendía, Bailey, Ings, Tuanzebe and Young. I was impressed with Chuck against Brentford and can’t wait to see this lad start a game for us.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2021, 12:23:17 AM
If we don't play or involve him he'll want a move and if we do play and involve him eventually he'll move

It's disappointing reality.
Will just have to enjoy what will be
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2021, 12:34:56 AM
I’m sure he’s going to get plenty of minutes this season. I wonder if these kids coming through are why we’ve held back since the arrival of Buendía, Bailey, Ings, Tuanzebe and Young. I was impressed with Chuck against Brentford and can’t wait to see this lad start a game for us.

I get holding back in those 2 positions re Chuck and Bidace, they are close and need games to progress. Same at right back where Kessler will be pushing Cash next season, and Ramsey in the 8 role this. The key is being able to give them a solid platform to perform.

Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2021, 01:12:29 AM
I’ll tell you what. The seasoned pros know that the Ramsey’s, JPB and Carney aren’t going anywhere and if they don’t perform at a high level Dean will have no issue playing them.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Big Ming on September 01, 2021, 07:52:14 AM
This kid is the business.

Twice the end product of your average (inconsistent) winger and looks like he will be able to hack it at the top level.

We have an absolute gem here.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: tony scott on September 01, 2021, 08:10:07 AM
He’s snuck in under the radar, with the. spotlight on Chuk and the Ramsey s.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2021, 08:56:37 AM
If we don't play or involve him he'll want a move and if we do play and involve him eventually he'll move
It's disappointing reality.
Will just have to enjoy what will be
Eventually everyone moves.
Get a grip, man!
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2021, 08:58:53 AM
He (with Carney and Ramsey Minor) offers Smith options across the front line, which - come November-December-January - we will doubtless need, with international absences, injuries and fixture congestion.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: ozzjim on September 06, 2021, 06:23:53 PM
Worrying that he's posted a picture in a protective boot following the game for England today
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 07, 2021, 08:53:43 AM
Yep, rumoured to be out for months
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: sickbeggar on September 07, 2021, 09:02:05 AM
fecking hell. Did Smith spend the summer running over black cats?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: algy on September 07, 2021, 09:18:54 AM
fecking hell. Did Smith spend the summer running over black cats?
Not the whole summer.  He took a week off for the European Running Under Ladders Championships.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Villan82 on September 07, 2021, 09:20:06 AM
You're kidding me?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Risso on September 07, 2021, 09:26:09 AM
Great. It’s going to be Young and El Ghazi on the wing for the foreseeable future isn’t it?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 07, 2021, 09:40:06 AM
Great. It’s going to be Young and El Ghazi on the wing until they both get injured isn’t it?

Fixed.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: CT on September 07, 2021, 10:37:00 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/zxkSKRc/716353-BC-166-B-4-FE0-84-E7-76-C1047-B7-E30.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zxkSKRc)
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: sickbeggar on September 07, 2021, 10:43:55 AM
Actually looking at it he may not be injured at all. May have just signed up to promote ratboy's fashion range.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 07, 2021, 10:45:07 AM
Haha!
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 07, 2021, 10:49:04 AM
I think Louise should drop her guess the crowd and guess the goal time and concentrate on guess the latest injury or out for some other poxy reason.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Risso on September 07, 2021, 10:51:37 AM
I think Louise should drop her guess the crowd and guess the goal time and concentrate on guess the latest injury or out for some other poxy reason.

Danny Ings. Nob rot. Two and a half years.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 07, 2021, 10:57:00 AM
Ollie Watkins. Pregnant. 12 months.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Big Ming on September 07, 2021, 10:58:33 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/zxkSKRc/716353-BC-166-B-4-FE0-84-E7-76-C1047-B7-E30.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zxkSKRc)

Think he's going to struggle with the tricky winger stuff while he's wearing that thing.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 07, 2021, 10:59:29 AM
I think Louise should drop her guess the crowd and guess the goal time and concentrate on guess the latest injury or out for some other poxy reason.

Danny Ings. Nob rot. Two and a half years.

We need to know the Ings and outs of this story.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: darren woolley on September 07, 2021, 11:14:23 AM
I hope it's nothing too serious he's been brilliant for us what I've saw of him in the first team and U23's.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Drummond on September 07, 2021, 02:29:59 PM
Bailey, 48 hours, too much Baileys.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 07, 2021, 03:22:53 PM
Bailey, Industrial action with Baggage handling at Sanjster International airport.  Planes grounded for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 07, 2021, 03:31:48 PM
Bailey, 48 hours, too much Baileys.

Murphy's law, innit?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 07, 2021, 04:46:28 PM
Matt Cash- scalp infection from dodgy Hair Transplant- 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: UK Redsox on September 07, 2021, 04:51:35 PM
Bailey, 48 hours, too much Baileys.

Murphy's law, innit?

BV - Shit jokes - out indefinitely

;)
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Risso on September 07, 2021, 04:54:31 PM
Matt Cash- scalp infection from dodgy Hair Transplant- 2 weeks.

You’ve misunderstood the joke CL, they’re not supposed to be injuries that stand a chance of happening! ;)
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: brian green on September 07, 2021, 06:39:53 PM
Craig Shakespeare's dog.  Bard pad.  Euthanized.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 07, 2021, 07:11:41 PM
Tyrone Mings, more broken ribs. Injured and arrested at a Black Lives Matter silent demo in Stratford upon Avon. 18 month sentence, 9 suspended. Back next season.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 07, 2021, 08:06:26 PM
Matt Targett shot with a bow and arrow
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 07, 2021, 08:31:38 PM
Martinez and Buendía both out after dropping a US television award on their big toe.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 07, 2021, 08:56:00 PM
Martinez and Buendía both out after dropping a US television award on their big toe.

Where do they keep this big toe they both share?
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 07, 2021, 09:12:06 PM
Martinez and Buendía both out after dropping a US television award on their big toe.

Where do they keep this big toe they both share?

Mar del Plata.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: JD on September 08, 2021, 12:57:01 AM
John McGinn out for a month with food poisoning after eating too many dodgy deep fried Mars bars, when up in Glasgow. 
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: pelty on September 28, 2021, 09:11:22 PM
I am not sure how or where, but I think this man deserves a shot. I think there is something about him and would like to see how he fares with more than the occasional cameo in the league.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 28, 2021, 09:22:02 PM
I am not sure how or where, but I think this man deserves a shot. I think there is something about him and would like to see how he fares with more than the occasional cameo in the league.

I totally agree.  He’s the one of the next crop who I think will be a major star.  He’ll get his chance soon enough I reckon.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: paul_e on September 28, 2021, 09:38:11 PM
I'm happy for him to get little cameos for the next few months, let him (and chuk) get 9-10 appearances under their belts and then see where we are after Christmas. How we handled JJ Ramsey is a perfect blueprint for bringing youth players through.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: pelty on September 28, 2021, 09:58:01 PM
I'm happy for him to get little cameos for the next few months, let him (and chuk) get 9-10 appearances under their belts and then see where we are after Christmas. How we handled JJ Ramsey is a perfect blueprint for bringing youth players through.

Fair, but I was a little concerned that he did not make the bench last game. Thus far, he has only one very short cameo this season, but arguably deserves a bit more based on his performances elsewhere.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Clampy on September 28, 2021, 10:04:18 PM
I'm happy for him to get little cameos for the next few months, let him (and chuk) get 9-10 appearances under their belts and then see where we are after Christmas. How we handled JJ Ramsey is a perfect blueprint for bringing youth players through.

Fair, but I was a little concerned that he did not make the bench last game. Thus far, he has only one very short cameo this season, but arguably deserves a bit more based on his performances elsewhere.

He's been out injured, which is why he hasn't made the last two squads.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 28, 2021, 10:06:38 PM
I think a few cameos up until Christmas then a 6-month loan to a decent championship side once Bailey/El Ghazi/Buendia/Traore are fully integrated (also Trez, when is he back?)
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 28, 2021, 10:18:04 PM
Luiz and Konsa both out for a month with acid rain.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: pelty on September 29, 2021, 02:34:06 PM
I think a few cameos up until Christmas then a 6-month loan to a decent championship side once Bailey/El Ghazi/Buendia/Traore are fully integrated (also Trez, when is he back?)

For me, I would rather JPB get time over El Ghazi, Trez, or even Traore (though that one is a closer call).
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: paul_e on September 29, 2021, 02:48:44 PM
I think a few cameos up until Christmas then a 6-month loan to a decent championship side once Bailey/El Ghazi/Buendia/Traore are fully integrated (also Trez, when is he back?)

For me, I would rather JPB get time over El Ghazi, Trez, or even Traore (though that one is a closer call).

I'm with you on the first 2 but Traore is quality and should be playing regularly for us, him, Bailey and Watkins is the 3 you want if you're struggling to make chances.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 29, 2021, 04:01:21 PM
Now that would terrorise even the best defences

 :P
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: pelty on September 29, 2021, 06:05:44 PM
I think a few cameos up until Christmas then a 6-month loan to a decent championship side once Bailey/El Ghazi/Buendia/Traore are fully integrated (also Trez, when is he back?)

For me, I would rather JPB get time over El Ghazi, Trez, or even Traore (though that one is a closer call).

I'm with you on the first 2 but Traore is quality and should be playing regularly for us, him, Bailey and Watkins is the 3 you want if you're struggling to make chances.

He infuriated me last year with his up-and-down play, but I agree that he is talented and when on his game will absolutely terrorize defenses. OTOH, his defensive effort is so woeful that it drives me mad. I prefer him as an impact sub, personally. I do recognize why he has so many supporters, though; he is a cut above El Ghazi and Trez, imo.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: paul_e on September 29, 2021, 07:24:17 PM
I think a few cameos up until Christmas then a 6-month loan to a decent championship side once Bailey/El Ghazi/Buendia/Traore are fully integrated (also Trez, when is he back?)

For me, I would rather JPB get time over El Ghazi, Trez, or even Traore (though that one is a closer call).

I'm with you on the first 2 but Traore is quality and should be playing regularly for us, him, Bailey and Watkins is the 3 you want if you're struggling to make chances.

He infuriated me last year with his up-and-down play, but I agree that he is talented and when on his game will absolutely terrorize defenses. OTOH, his defensive effort is so woeful that it drives me mad. I prefer him as an impact sub, personally. I do recognize why he has so many supporters, though; he is a cut above El Ghazi and Trez, imo.

I'm not a fan of judging wingers based on the work they do in defence, if they're forced to defend enough for that to have a consistent impact on team performances then you're doing something wrong. A big part of why I like variations of 433 is that you can afford to have at least one of your central midfielders drift to help out a fullback if they're overloaded and your striker(s) and winger(s) can focus on high press and trying to force errors. If I'm completely honest for me I prefer my wingers being higher up the pitch than my striker who I'm happy to see drop in and help in midfield without the ball, wingers generally get more time and space to spring a quick counter attack.

If you play a 442 having a more defensive winger on one side is useful but that's mainly to recreate the advantages of a 433 so seems a bit redundant.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 29, 2021, 07:57:48 PM
I think a few cameos up until Christmas then a 6-month loan to a decent championship side once Bailey/El Ghazi/Buendia/Traore are fully integrated (also Trez, when is he back?)

For me, I would rather JPB get time over El Ghazi, Trez, or even Traore (though that one is a closer call).

Don’t get me wrong, I hope JPB is the long term answer, but in the shorter term let him go on loan, get games under his belt, grow and make mistakes at someone else’s expense.  If it goes as planned you can then look to sell El Ghazi in the summer and promote JPB with a degree of certainty.

The “ten minute” approach definitely has merit, for say Chuck in the number Ten role, because he’s not blocking a more experienced player. 

Ultimately I don’t want the squad getting too flabby and loans keep us lean.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: DrGonzo on September 29, 2021, 08:50:53 PM
The major positive of being on the bench is getting used to the occasion.  Getting to know the drill of matchday, hearing the seniors, understanding the way the squad interacts, how the coaches talk to the players.  When it's time to go they will know better how to react.  If the manager/staff believe they are nearly ready I'd rather that these players stayed with us at the moment and become a part of the team, even if their appearances are limited in the short term.  There's a lot for them to learn from our senior players and staff, and no bad habits from pros further down the leagues.
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 01, 2021, 09:12:00 PM
Played first half vs Wolves under 23 maybe for match fitness then and looking to be in squad Sunday mens seniors hopefully
Title: Re: Jaden Philogene-Bidace
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 02, 2021, 01:10:43 AM
Didn't play very well tonight, like a few others.
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