Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Risso on April 16, 2021, 09:03:13 AM
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5 years ago today, we finally had the magic 'R' after our name, as we went down the plughole after circling it for so long.
What a horrendous season that was, and what a completely different proposition we are under the current owners. So cheers, Nas and Wes!
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What a depressing day that was. I thought we wouldn't be back for years.
Thank you Nas, Wes and Dean of course.
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5 years ago today, we finally had the magic 'R' after our name, as we went down the plughole after circling it for so long.
What a horrendous season that was, and what a completely different proposition we are under the current owners. So cheers, Nas and Wes!
Couldn't be more different.
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Given where we are now compared to then this might be more appropriate in 'Villa Memories'. :)
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So many shit memories from that period that I don’t know where to start. I think the sight/sound of Villa fans cheering Arsenal’s goals at the final game of the season was the clincher. The giant inflatable penis with a picture of Gabby on the bell end lifted the mood slightly
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Can't we bury this time/thread? We were heading the way of...well, Bury.
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I've been watching Villa since the mid 1970s and this was by far the shittist Villa team I've ever seen. Absolute wretched bunch of losers. Then there was Tim Sherwood. Who on earth decided he was a football manager.
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I was at Old Trafford that day. The fact that it was expected softened the blow a tad. Just a tad mind.
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God, only five years. It felt like we were in the Championship for an eternity.
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seems like longer ago.
What a shambles of a club we was, owner, managers that season, players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott etc....
The future is bright....
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Shows how quickly we've come back in relatively short space of time.
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Shows how quickly we've come back in relatively short space of time.
it's cost a bit though.... thankfully the owners are rich and the Premier League attracts big dosh.
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That Bacuna back-pass against Southampton at home still sits in the memory like it was yesterday. I was livid that day. I think all the crap we saw that season was epitomised in that one moment, and all my frustration came out at that moment. We were absolutely appalling that season. A far cry from now thankfully!
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Shows how quickly we've come back in relatively short space of time.
it's cost a bit though.... thankfully the owners are rich and the Premier League attracts big dosh.
Easy to say now but we should've just written 16/17 off and not spent much and just spent 6 months just weeding all the losers out.
When you look at the team that went up v Derby the starting 11 didn't cost that much at all with combination of the loans, low cost signings like Hourihane, Taylor, Whelan, Adomah etc.
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That Bacuna back-pass against Southampton at home still sits in the memory like it was yesterday. I was livid that day. I think all the crap we saw that season was epitomised in that one moment, and all my frustration came out at that moment. We were absolutely appalling that season. A far cry from now thankfully!
ah Bacuna - forgot about him. Fucking waste of space he was too often.
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That Bacuna back-pass against Southampton at home still sits in the memory like it was yesterday. I was livid that day. I think all the crap we saw that season was epitomised in that one moment, and all my frustration came out at that moment. We were absolutely appalling that season. A far cry from now thankfully!
ah Bacuna - forgot about him. Fucking waste of space he was too often.
His backpass was very reminiscent of Hodge's when we were relegated before. All the built up frustration burst out when it happened.
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That Bacuna back-pass against Southampton at home still sits in the memory like it was yesterday. I was livid that day. I think all the crap we saw that season was epitomised in that one moment, and all my frustration came out at that moment. We were absolutely appalling that season. A far cry from now thankfully!
ah Bacuna - forgot about him. Fucking waste of space he was too often.
His backpass was very reminiscent of Hodge's when we were relegated before. All the built up frustration burst out when it happened.
I've just watched the highlights of that game - fuck knows why.....
first was offside. If that gets disallowed we stay up :D :D
(https://i.ibb.co/GP2cZKv/longoffside.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GP2cZKv)
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That Bacuna back-pass against Southampton at home still sits in the memory like it was yesterday. I was livid that day. I think all the crap we saw that season was epitomised in that one moment, and all my frustration came out at that moment. We were absolutely appalling that season. A far cry from now thankfully!
ah Bacuna - forgot about him. Fucking waste of space he was too often.
And his big stupid grin as another goal went it or after he failed to track an opposition player. Scary thing is that he was nowhere near the worst of them... #stillscarred
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Happy Relegation Day everyone.
🎼 It's the most wonderful time... 🎼
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That Bacuna back-pass against Southampton at home still sits in the memory like it was yesterday. I was livid that day. I think all the crap we saw that season was epitomised in that one moment, and all my frustration came out at that moment. We were absolutely appalling that season. A far cry from now thankfully!
ah Bacuna - forgot about him. Fucking waste of space he was too often.
Bacuna scored a good goal in a win against Cardiff at Villa Park and it was my birthday. That is my only positive memory of him. I have never quite recovered from the grim Lambert years. Although to be honest I have never really got over the Graham Turner years either.
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seems like longer ago.
What a shambles of a club we was, owner, managers that season, players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott etc....
The future is bright....
The mere mention of those 4 has me heading towards vomitting with rage. ******.
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seems like longer ago.
What a shambles of a club we was, owner, managers that season, players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott etc....
The future is bright....
The mere mention of those 4 has me heading towards vomitting with rage. ******.
Always remember the TV interview with Gabby and Lescott where the former swore and Lescott just laughed. It said everything you needed to know. A core group of players just taking the piss and without an ounce of class between them.
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I properly hated that team. Far more than a supposedly rational, grown man should.
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I properly hated that team. Far more than a supposedly rational, grown man should.
Ditto. I couldn't wait to see the back of the whole lot of them. I had a vague idea that relegation would act as an emetic but that was a ballache all on its own. Thank NSWE we've left all that to history.
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I properly hated that team. Far more than a supposedly rational, grown man should.
Ditto. I couldn't wait to see the back of the whole lot of them. I had a vague idea that relegation would act as an emetic but that was a ballache all on its own. Thank NSWE we've left all that to history.
Not just the team, the whole set up top to bottom just stank the place out.
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Didn't Bacuna score the season before in our Cup run. Against Leicester possibly?
Or was it Gil? Only just remembered about him.
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Bacuna scored against Albion in the 4-3, although he did his best too miss.
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An awful collection of players and manager/s. Once Di Matteo left, the 'championship' was 10 times more appealing, and that says a lot. I think that's why I can give Steve Bruce a partial pass. Anyway, distant memory now, thank feck.
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Bacuna's best goal was in the 3-2 win v Man. City, pinged it straight into the top corner.
I thought at one stage he had the makings of a decent right back but it fizzled out. Woeful in central midfield.
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I know it’s only the championship but I did enjoy it, that’s how bad it was from 2011-2016 seasons. 16-17 we at least started to win some games again (3-0 vs Rotherham felt like winning the European Cup). I know in 17-18 we lost the play off final but it was our highest points tally ever in the era of three points for a win and I think 24 wins was a record too so I did enjoy it and obviously the season after we got promoted despite winning four games less and seven points fewer. Felt good though after such dross. That’s why our poor run now is so disappointing, it had been such a good year up to Boxing Day. The results haven’t been consistently terrible but the performances are just not up to the previous standard.
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What an utterly shit 5 or years that was. From MON walking out on the eve of the season to the utter fucking chaos that followed ending in us going down. Anything and everything that could have gone wrong did. Fucking clowns running the show, and some utter twats as players doing their part.
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Let’s not forget Tom Cleverley who was dross except for that little spell when Sherwood first came in.
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It had been coming for quite a while but I was still gutted when it finally happened. I actually enjoyed the championship as we won a lot more games. I don’t want to go back there though. The club is so much healthier now.
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A mate of mine supports Sunderland. I told him how I actually enjoyed the Championship in a fashion because we weren't as shit and actually had hope again. He's seen League One in a different light now, as they are actually winning games. My suggestion was that it can help build some momentum and give hope, which I think we've done.
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It had been a long time coming. Possibly the best thing that could have happened for us. We stank the place out that season and lived on the brink for a few seasons before.
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16/17 was a dire season bar Kodjia scoring some nice goals in the run in.
Didn't we have two long winless runs, one under Di Matteo and the other around new year. Both considerably worse than what we're on now.
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Di Matteo will be a pub quiz question before long. My memory skips straight from McLeish to Sherwood to Bruce. Despite my initial excitement, Lambert was a walking excuse, and everyone after him was a charlatan of some variety.
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How can you forget Remi Garde?
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How can you forget Remi Garde?
Literally the only reason I have to remember him is that my brother hates him. I'm not entirely sure why, I'm afraid to say I'd given up on that season by the time he was appointed.
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Di Matteo will be a pub quiz question before long. My memory skips straight from McLeish to Sherwood to Bruce. Despite my initial excitement, Lambert was a walking excuse, and everyone after him was a charlatan of some variety.
Sorry to quote myself, but having said that I will always defend Bruce - to an extent. He should've gone after the play-off loss to Fulham, but until then I think he was doing a decent job, and at least restored some semblance of pride.
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He steadied the ship.
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He steadied the ship.
I think so. Deano has shown Bruce up for the unimaginative, defence-minded bloke he is, but I think without the groundwork laid by Bruce, had Deano taken over earlier, it could've been a massacre.
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To be fair to Bruce he was only one game away from matching Dean.
I'm delighted we went up with Dean and the current owners for many reasons but let's not forget there were some great times in Bruce's full season. Lest we forget he was in charge for our record points total too.
Going back to the relegation season. In some ways the football was stress free because you knew we were going to lose. The Newcastle game that season was genuinely memorable, the inflatable protest coupled with the realisation we might not lose a game for a change. Not exactly a great memory but a decent one.
Overall this thread is cathartic because despite our stumbles, isn't it great to be comfortable premier league and not that car crash we were. Maybe 11th isn't that bad
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To be fair to Bruce he was only one game away from matching Dean.
I'm delighted we went up with Dean and the current owners for many reasons but let's not forget there were some great times in Bruce's full season. Lest we forget he was in charge for our record points total too.
Going back to the relegation season. In some ways the football was stress free because you knew we were going to lose. The Newcastle game that season was genuinely memorable, the inflatable protest coupled with the realisation we might not lose a game for a change. Not exactly a great memory but a decent one.
Overall this thread is cathartic because despite our stumbles, isn't it great to be comfortable premier league and not that car crash we were. Maybe 11th isn't that bad
Absolutely. This is the 'safest' we've been in the top flight in April for what, 11 years? I'm enjoying that feeling.
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16/17 was a dire season bar Kodjia scoring some nice goals in the run in.
A midfield choice of Westwood, Gardner and Tishbola (shudders)
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16/17 was a dire season bar Kodjia scoring some nice goals in the run in.
A midfield choice of Westwood, Gardner and Tishbola (shudders)
Jedinak.
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16/17 was a dire season bar Kodjia scoring some nice goals in the run in.
A midfield choice of Westwood, Gardner and Tishbola (shudders)
Jedinak.
Hourihane, Lansbury and Adomah as it went along too.
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My lad was 6 at the time and it was his first full season going down VP, poor kid. I remember Chelsea near the end of the season and I asked him to predict the score and he said 0-4 to Chelsea and he was right, even a 6 year old understood how shite we were. The paper aeroplanes bombing out of the Holte were the highlight that day.
That year and the first year in the championship seem a very long time ago.
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I remember at the end of season 14/15 I had a nightmare one night when I woke up in cold sweat. I had just seen the fixtures announced for the coming season and there we were in the Championship. It was scary and obviously a relief when I realised it was a dream except it all came to be 12 months later. Bournemouth, Palace and Norwich fans must have felt really crap that season being the only teams to lose against us.
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How can you forget Remi Garde?
The only thing I resent Garde for is taking the job. Anyone doing their research would have seen relegation was inevitable and stayed far away.
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Garde actually wasn't first choice back then. Think someone posted article that we wanted Christophe Gaultier who's currently manager of Lille who are top of French league. Moyes was also mentioned.
Shows the screwed up thinking that we were targeting better managers when we were bottom of the league in 2015 and a virtual certainty to go down than in 2010 when we'd finished 6th three times running.
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I remember at the end of season 14/15 I had a nightmare one night when I woke up in cold sweat. I had just seen the fixtures announced for the coming season and there we were in the Championship. It was scary and obviously a relief when I realised it was a dream except it all came to be 12 months later. Bournemouth, Palace and Norwich fans must have felt really crap that season being the only teams to lose against us.
Newcastle failed to beat us. They also failed to beat the 2008 Derby County side. In fact Derby were minutes away from doing the double over them.
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I remember at the end of season 14/15 I had a nightmare one night when I woke up in cold sweat. I had just seen the fixtures announced for the coming season and there we were in the Championship. It was scary and obviously a relief when I realised it was a dream except it all came to be 12 months later. Bournemouth, Palace and Norwich fans must have felt really crap that season being the only teams to lose against us.
Newcastle failed to beat us. They also failed to beat the 2008 Derby County side. In fact Derby were minutes away from doing the double over them.
#AshleyOut
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Derby haven't come back fighting following the defeat in 2019. Struggling to stay up.
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Just struggled to replace their high quality loans that season.
Same could well have happened to us. Jota signing looked like it was done just in case we stayed down, imagine if he was actually the Grealish replacement.
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I'd rather not.
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Garde actually wasn't first choice back then. Think someone posted article that we wanted Christophe Gaultier who's currently manager of Lille who are top of French league. Moyes was also mentioned.
Shows the screwed up thinking that we were targeting better managers when we were bottom of the league in 2015 and a virtual certainty to go down than in 2010 when we'd finished 6th three times running.
To be fair Houllier had been successful too.
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Never forget.
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=327171.0
And never forgive.
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Never forget.
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=327171.0
And never forgive.
The second post in that thread says absolutely everything.
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Let's not turn into humourless Newcastle fans. I laugh every time Liverpool lose a game, so I certainly don't mind them taking a moment, in-between smashing coach windows and designing black armbands, to laugh at our misfortune.
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That thread is funny as it reveals how much we wound them up by daring to beat them in that semi-final and ruining the media's pre-ordained "Gerrard Final".
I don't think any team's fans were successful in getting a rise out of us when we went down as we took the piss out of the club more than they ever could.
Newcastle tried but, being Newcastle, they totally fucked it.
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"Who is crying now?!".
Still you Newcastle, still you.
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As the kids say these days, we owned it. For months. From the moment January turned to February and that big white flag of surrender was hoisted high above Villa Park, you'd have struggled to find a Villa fan who believed it was anything other than desperate straw-clutching to entertain thoughts that it wasn't destined to end in any other way than that which came to pass.
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"Who is crying now?!".
Still you Newcastle, still you.
That final game was hilarious. We barely managed a cross, let alone a shot, yet the atmosphere was fantastic. Especially in the Holte end.
The Geordies expected anger and tears, but found beach balls, laughter, and self deprication.
“You’re going down with the Villa” was ringing in their ears, as they did just that!
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Happy Survival Day everyone!
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Annoyed West Brom won a couple recently as we could've relegated them on Sunday.
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I think we have anyway, mate.
Though really, they've relegated themselves.
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If they'd beaten us in Allardyce's first game, not impossible it could have given them the confidence to go on a run and give themselves a chance, I suppose. So we might have relegated them in December, or whenever that was.
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Old Trafford when we went down and some of the players just ignored the fans at the end and trugged off