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Title: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 10, 2021, 05:21:41 PM
Seeing as no one else started one.

Have your say here.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 10, 2021, 05:21:54 PM
8-4 on aggregate. UTV!
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on April 10, 2021, 05:22:27 PM
What a shit weekend of injury time goals.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 10, 2021, 05:23:55 PM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: FailsworthVillan on April 10, 2021, 05:26:34 PM
8-5 on aggregate. UTV!
When did they get their 5th ?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 10, 2021, 05:27:14 PM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.


Do you really have to come out with that sort of homophobic nonsense?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on April 10, 2021, 05:27:57 PM
They were there for the taking.

Davis should have started and got at their CHs from the get go.

Smithís team management today was truly criminal.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on April 10, 2021, 05:29:29 PM
Obviously a major disappointment after taking the lead, but also obvious which team they'd end their losing streak to.

But.

I thought in the second half that there were signs we are coming out of our winter hibernation amd there was more zip, purpose and directness to our attacks. My one gripe would be that I would have brought Davis on for the 3rd sub, have him in the middle with Watkins on the left.

Unlucky Tres for the injury and hitting the post. Alexander-Arnold is a twat, it would have to be him with the winner.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 10, 2021, 05:29:49 PM
We didnít deserve anything really, which is a shame because they were really poor. We have too many players making sloppy mistakes. Could be a symptom of the seasons running together, but itís irritating.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: andyh on April 10, 2021, 05:29:50 PM
Just so disappointing.
A shit Liverpool team, and they turn us over.

Our lack of quality is hurting us and it is blindingly obvious Jack carries this team.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on April 10, 2021, 05:30:00 PM
Dean's about as intransigent as MON. Nothing to lose now, so shake it up for the run in.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on April 10, 2021, 05:30:34 PM
We needed to stop the ball coming back at us as soon as we launched it, our hold up play was abysmal.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: BC Villain on April 10, 2021, 05:31:43 PM
Liverpool there for the taking, and we go there and try not to lose.  Woeful.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on April 10, 2021, 05:32:28 PM
Why didn't Smith pick Davis after last week or at least put him on to help Ollie? These stubborn tactics are so annoying! Liverpool have a weak backline!
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Skerra on April 10, 2021, 05:32:48 PM
Scouse were there for the taking today. Bad set up right from the start and, these are matches we should be winning if we want to push onto the next level. Come on Smith, we have got nothing to lose so, go with Davis to start in a 4-4-2. Weíre going to finish just below half way in the league the way we are playing so, why not give it a try. What really gets to me is that managers are paid a small fortune and, yet itís the fans that can see that the system needs changing, especially with JG not playing.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 10, 2021, 05:32:48 PM
Iíve said in the Dean Smith thread, where some are calling for his head, rather predictably, that after they equalised I expected an onslaught, but whilst not playing brilliantly I thought we were completely comfortable. To my memory they never had a shot or chance of note between the two goals. If Trezs shot is a couple of cms to the left it goes in and I think we win. If Trez was a bit more savvy we get a pen.
Apart from the first half Mings gaff, I thought the defence did well, especially Targett, who I thought was excellent. Dougie played well, McGinn ok, Trez ok, Ollie well, Traore poor.
Sickener letting in a last minute goal, but I donít get the meltdown, weíre 4 points off a possible Europa league spot.

And KT I think your description is from another time and place mate.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on April 10, 2021, 05:33:29 PM
I know itís said in jest, but fuck me any team on a bad run must be praying that they play us next. Itís just so predictable.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ez on April 10, 2021, 05:33:49 PM
Not sure how we managed to lose that. Three points dropped for me. Liverpool were poor.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: KevinGage on April 10, 2021, 05:34:12 PM
We've made progress this year.

But we continue to be the side you want to face if you've been on a losing run or your forward needs a dig out.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 10, 2021, 05:34:24 PM
The most predictable result all weekend.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Stu82 on April 10, 2021, 05:35:30 PM
Second half much better, but you just knew they would score.
Traore, did nothing.
Barkley, just seemed to wander about aimlessly
Davis would have given them a much tougher time.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Taylor on April 10, 2021, 05:36:21 PM
Really disappointing, but donít think we deserved to lose. I thought Luiz had a decent game and Trez unlucky to not score. I also donít understand the abuse that Barkley was getting on the match thread, he did well when he came on.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 10, 2021, 05:36:42 PM
8-5 on aggregate. UTV!
When did they get their 5th ?
Good point. Edited.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2021, 05:36:50 PM
We lost the second half 2 nil
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on April 10, 2021, 05:37:01 PM
Liverpool looked a shadow of last season but I thought we were poor especially in the first half. The most frustrating thing is we make the same mistakes over and over and over. Iíve seen far worse Villa sides but few that enrage me as much as this one. The ball doesnít stick up top. We give the ball away unchallenged so many times and teams can drive a bus through the centre of our midfield. We have no plan B. We are so set it our ways tactics wise. When it works itís great but when it doesnít we seem incapable of changing anything. I love Smith more than anyone in the world. But if I owned this football club Iím not sure Iíd be willing to give him another £150m to spend because letís face it thatís what we need to challenge at the top end.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on April 10, 2021, 05:38:07 PM
And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.the
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This 100% for me and get Sky arethiz too busy wanking over Liverpool to even question it.  TAA doesn't try for the ball and doesn't get any.  But you're wrong on one count because in the Spurs game contact was initiated by the forward who wasn't playing the ball, whilst Trez was.  Should be obvious but apparently not because it doesn't fit the narrative.

For me.

Barkley.  Never again.
Ramsey.  Should be starting.  8 games this season will see him in good stead next season.
Davis.  Should have been on instead of Barkley.  It would have put pressure on their defence.
Dean.  Why, just why.  Week after week we see what needs to be done and it rare!y comes.  last week it did but I am not convince.  He deserves to start as manager next season but he needs to show he has learned because at the moment I am not convinced.
Traore.  Why is he allowed to keep giving away cheap possession without it appears any correction.
Youngsters.  Play them.  We will not get a Eurooslot and I don't want one because at the moment we don't have the squad.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 10, 2021, 05:38:51 PM
We got lucky with the VAR decision first half. It was too big an ask to hold out for 45 mins in the 2nd. Our midfield isnít quite good enough to take us further than we are. If we were half decent today weíd have won that game. Too sloppy everywhere apart from a few players. Iím annoyed with the result but we didnít deserve any more than we got. Hurry up Jack and get fit.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on April 10, 2021, 05:39:11 PM
So frustrating. I don't even buy into the one man team nonsense.  At least not today. With better decision making from both Smith and Barkley we could have won this.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on April 10, 2021, 05:39:22 PM
Really disappointing, but donít think we deserved to lose. I thought Luiz had a decent game and Trez unlucky to not score. I also donít understand the abuse that Barkley was getting on the match thread, he did well when he came on.

Barkley wasted a good chance on the edge of the box and lost the ball which led to Liverpool setting up an attack and we conceded their winner.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on April 10, 2021, 05:39:36 PM
Second half much better, but you just knew they would score.
Traore, did nothing.
Barkley, just seemed to wander about aimlessly
Davis would have given them a much tougher time.
Yes, I thought we were much better in the 2nd half, but always had the feeling we would concede. However, whilst it was a good finish, Ramsey should have been busting a gut to block the shot, not turn his back.

A few have said Liverpool were there for the taking, but equally in the first half so were we, with some abject ball control and ridiculously bad passing.

Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Stu on April 10, 2021, 05:39:57 PM
Just so disappointing.
A shit Liverpool team, and they turn us over.

Our lack of quality is hurting us and it is blindingly obvious Jack carries this team.

Lol honestly, how are Liverpool shit?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2021, 05:40:01 PM
Think it was a game where both sides lack fluency.

Few chances of note; Salah effort from Mings sloppiness, Jota header and then nothing really between the equaliser and the goal.

Likewise we didn't create much, but I felt Trez was a menace second half and was unlucky hitting the post and should have had a penalty. Certainly don't see him being injured as a blessing, a very off colour statement about a Villa player. Looks potentially a bad one with his knee, fingers crossed he's OK.

Felt Nakamba did well screening, but he is quite clumsy in distribution. It was crying out for somebody to grab it by the scruff of the neck, but sadly the man who can is injured and Barkely has fallen off a cliff.

Immediately before the goal he fluffed the chance to shoot or feed Ramsey.

I'm not sure why I venture into the match thread. It's a new and unpleasant experience in COVID, as it seems ultra reactionary and off colour. I certainly wasn't watch the game that was causing so much anger and leading to some ridiculous comments about Smith going or how blessed we are Trez is injured.

Not enough quality up top. We shuffle the wingers, we can't shuffle the forwards and Barkely has been such a disappointment.

First half too passive, with the midfield really detached from the front 3. After the equaliser we were probably the better side without exerting pressure. Disappointing goal to concede so late, but it was an excellent finish, unfortunately. Ramsey shouldn't stop in closing, shades of McGinn at Newcastle there.

Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 10, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
The most predictable result all weekend.

How much did you win? Correct score, must've been a few bob.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 10, 2021, 05:43:30 PM
Really disappointing, but donít think we deserved to lose. I thought Luiz had a decent game and Trez unlucky to not score. I also donít understand the abuse that Barkley was getting on the match thread, he did well when he came on.

Barkley wasted a good chance on the edge of the box and lost the ball which led to Liverpool setting up an attack and we conceded their winner.

I think Ramsey got in his way as he was about to pull the trigger
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 10, 2021, 05:43:42 PM

I'm not sure why I venture into the match thread. It's a new and unpleasant experience in COVID, as it seems ultra reactionary and off colour. I certainly wasn't watch the game that was causing so much anger and leading to some ridiculous comments
Don't be a drama monarch! It's the match thread. That is what it is for.  COVID?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2021, 05:45:49 PM
Tactically naive at this level. He will learn, I hope.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on April 10, 2021, 05:47:20 PM
Just so disappointing.
A shit Liverpool team, and they turn us over.

Our lack of quality is hurting us and it is blindingly obvious Jack carries this team.


Lol honestly, how are Liverpool shit?

6 consecutive defeats at home perhaps
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 10, 2021, 05:48:14 PM
Disappointing overall because I didn't think they were that great but neither were we in the first, we let them have too much of the ball. Better second and we were unlucky with the two injurues but bringing Barkley on was a waste of time, it should have been Ramsey at the time so Smith buggered up there.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on April 10, 2021, 05:48:28 PM
A missed opportunity for sure.

Would love to have seen Davis and Watkins up against Kazak and Phillips.

Can't understand why that didn't happen.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2021, 05:48:58 PM
Tactically naive at this level. He will learn, I hope.
looks like one hell of a learning curve.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on April 10, 2021, 05:49:49 PM
Jackís return will paper over the cracks for a while. 
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on April 10, 2021, 05:50:17 PM

I'm not sure why I venture into the match thread. It's a new and unpleasant experience in COVID, as it seems ultra reactionary and off colour. I certainly wasn't watch the game that was causing so much anger and leading to some ridiculous comments
Don't be a drama monarch! It's the match thread. That is what it is for.  COVID?

Exactly. The match thread is just like listening to people around you at the match. It's all hyperbole and superlatives, both positive and negative.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on April 10, 2021, 05:50:26 PM
Tactically naive at this level. He will learn, I hope.

How long do you give him to stop being naive?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2021, 05:50:31 PM

I'm not sure why I venture into the match thread. It's a new and unpleasant experience in COVID, as it seems ultra reactionary and off colour. I certainly wasn't watch the game that was causing so much anger and leading to some ridiculous comments
Don't be a drama monarch! It's the match thread. That is what it is for.  COVID?

That's what a handful of people use it for game after game. I agree with Ads completely, it's a 2 hour long toddler tantrum week after week.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: CT on April 10, 2021, 05:50:47 PM
A missed opportunity for sure.

Would love to have seen Davis and Watkins up against Kazak and Phillips.

Can't understand why that didn't happen.

It seemed really obvious to give them the problem of a powerful forward to worry about. Instead they had no concerns with the passengers out wide, especially Traore.

Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on April 10, 2021, 05:51:20 PM
Typical fucking Villa. Just about did enough to get a point then threw it away.

Martinez - 7 - Good saves, could do little about either goal.
Cash - 7 - Aggressive all game and played well.
Konsa - 7 - solid as ever
Mings - 6 - loses a point for the rick but solid otherwise
Targett - 7 - solid, dealt well with Salah
Nakamba - 3 - absolutely fucking useless, an absolute liability with the ball, and not much better without it
Luiz - 7 - battled well today Dougie and hopefully a return to form
McGinn - 7 - ran his bollocks off but seemed to drift in and out the game
Traore - 2 - to quote Steve Bruce 'it was one of those horrible ones'
Trezeguet - 6 - as usual ran his bollocks off but didn't cause TAA enough problems, gained a point for hitting the post
Watkins - 7 - Good goal which shows how clinical he can be when given the right service

Barkley - 4 - got in a couple of good positions and fluffed his lines, not sure why he even came on
El Ghazi - 4 - not as bad as Traore
Ramsey - 5 - didn't have much chance to show much

Smith - 5 -  Team selection puzzling and as much as he got his subs right last week he got them wrong this week. Nakambas selection for a start, wtaf! What the fuck Barkley is doing anywhere near this team is anyones guess and with two weak Liverpool centre backs how he didn't find room for a Davis sub is frankly puzzling.

Other than that, it was better than Fulham so maybe some encouragement. We seriously need to do something about our wingers though, could any one of the three of them try and put in a 90 minute performance at some point soon?

 
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2021, 05:51:46 PM

I'm not sure why I venture into the match thread. It's a new and unpleasant experience in COVID, as it seems ultra reactionary and off colour. I certainly wasn't watch the game that was causing so much anger and leading to some ridiculous comments
Don't be a drama monarch! It's the match thread. That is what it is for.  COVID?

Fair enough. By COVID it means none of us can get there. I'd love to be disappointed on the East Lancs right now rather than disappointed on my couch.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on April 10, 2021, 05:51:53 PM
A missed opportunity for sure.

Would love to have seen Davis and Watkins up against Kazak and Phillips.

Can't understand why that didn't happen.

Because our manager thought it would be better to stick a 19 year old central midfielder on the right wing instead as not to upset his 4-3-3.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2021, 05:51:53 PM
Bringing on Barkley, what on earth was the point in that? He's not our player, he won't be here next season,and other than the first two or three games he's been abysmal.  Why not give somebody who will be here next season a chance? Davis came on and changed the game last week, so while I'm not a huge fan of his, he deserved a chance today ahead of Ross sodding Barkley who has done bugger all to deserve another chance. It was the same last year when he persevered with that waste of space Danny Drinkwater. Clueless.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on April 10, 2021, 05:53:34 PM

I'm not sure why I venture into the match thread. It's a new and unpleasant experience in COVID, as it seems ultra reactionary and off colour. I certainly wasn't watch the game that was causing so much anger and leading to some ridiculous comments
Don't be a drama monarch! It's the match thread. That is what it is for.  COVID?

The Match Thread is where the Russians test out their negativity-bots, I thought everyone knew that.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2021, 05:53:49 PM
Bringing on Barkley, what on earth was the point in that? He's not our player, he won't be here next season,and other than the first two or three games he's been abysmal.  Why not give somebody who will be here next season a chance? Davis came on and changed the game last week, so while I'm not a huge fan of his, he deserved a chance today ahead of Ross sodding Barkley who has done bugger all to deserve another chance. It was the same last year when he persevered with that waste of space Danny Drinkwater. Clueless.

Well if we improve in the summer up front, Davis won't be here either.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2021, 05:56:23 PM
Bringing on Barkley, what on earth was the point in that? He's not our player, he won't be here next season,and other than the first two or three games he's been abysmal.  Why not give somebody who will be here next season a chance? Davis came on and changed the game last week, so while I'm not a huge fan of his, he deserved a chance today ahead of Ross sodding Barkley who has done bugger all to deserve another chance. It was the same last year when he persevered with that waste of space Danny Drinkwater. Clueless.

Well if we improve in the summer up front, Davis won't be here either.

He's a year into a new four year contract. Don't think Davis will be going anywhere.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Baldy on April 10, 2021, 05:57:02 PM
Liverpool looked a shadow of last season but I thought we were poor especially in the first half. The most frustrating thing is we make the same mistakes over and over and over. Iíve seen far worse Villa sides but few that enrage me as much as this one. The ball doesnít stick up top. We give the ball away unchallenged so many times and teams can drive a bus through the centre of our midfield. We have no plan B. We are so set it our ways tactics wise. When it works itís great but when it doesnít we seem incapable of changing anything. I love Smith more than anyone in the world. But if I owned this football club Iím not sure Iíd be willing to give him another £150m to spend because letís face it thatís what we need to challenge at the top end.

My sentiments exactly.

Of course we are better than last year, we have spent millions and millions and millions!!

Based on our performances in the last 3 months though, our owners must have plenty of concerns.  >:(
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2021, 05:57:42 PM
A missed opportunity for sure.

Would love to have seen Davis and Watkins up against Kazak and Phillips.

Can't understand why that didn't happen.

Because our manager thought it would be better to stick a 19 year old central midfielder on the right wing instead as not to upset his 4-3-3.
ridiculous decision
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
Bringing on Barkley, what on earth was the point in that? He's not our player, he won't be here next season,and other than the first two or three games he's been abysmal.  Why not give somebody who will be here next season a chance? Davis came on and changed the game last week, so while I'm not a huge fan of his, he deserved a chance today ahead of Ross sodding Barkley who has done bugger all to deserve another chance. It was the same last year when he persevered with that waste of space Danny Drinkwater. Clueless.

Well if we improve in the summer up front, Davis won't be here either.

He's a year into a new four year contract. Don't think Davis will be going anywhere.

I hope he goes on loan myself in the Championship. If that happens it means we have some real quality to back Olie up and maybe aid Davis' development into, potentially, a good forward.

We need more than Jack and Olie.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: nick harper on April 10, 2021, 05:58:56 PM
No-one busting a gut to close Alexander-Arnold down 20 yards from goal on his right foot - really poor.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2021, 05:59:25 PM
Dreadful first 50 mins or so. But our second half performance was miles better, especially after they equalised. We looked the most likely to get the winner but unfortunately they did with a great strike. Some of our players were transformed in the second half from risible first half efforts, Luiz and Trez in particular. Hope Trez injury isn't too bad, if a few more had his gumption they would be superstars. Like others I would have started Davis today but wouldn't be overly harsh on the subs made.

Martinez 9, Cash 5, Konsa 7, Mings 6, Targett 7, Nakamba 4 (Barkley 5), McGinn 5, Luiz 6, Trez 6 (Ramsey 6), Watkins 7, Traore 2 (AEG 6).
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on April 10, 2021, 06:00:08 PM
Bringing on Barkley, what on earth was the point in that? He's not our player, he won't be here next season,and other than the first two or three games he's been abysmal.  Why not give somebody who will be here next season a chance? Davis came on and changed the game last week, so while I'm not a huge fan of his, he deserved a chance today ahead of Ross sodding Barkley who has done bugger all to deserve another chance. It was the same last year when he persevered with that waste of space Danny Drinkwater. Clueless.

Well if we improve in the summer up front, Davis won't be here either.

He's a year into a new four year contract. Don't think Davis will be going anywhere.

I hope he goes on loan myself in the Championship. If that happens it means we have some real quality to back Olie up and maybe aid Davis' development into, potentially, a good forward.

We need more than Jack and Olie.
Why loan him.  Just bloody play him.   
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 10, 2021, 06:00:45 PM
Bringing on Barkley, what on earth was the point in that? He's not our player, he won't be here next season,and other than the first two or three games he's been abysmal.  Why not give somebody who will be here next season a chance? Davis came on and changed the game last week, so while I'm not a huge fan of his, he deserved a chance today ahead of Ross sodding Barkley who has done bugger all to deserve another chance. It was the same last year when he persevered with that waste of space Danny Drinkwater. Clueless.

Well if we improve in the summer up front, Davis won't be here either.

He's a year into a new four year contract. Don't think Davis will be going anywhere.

Really?! I thought (and I'm always wrong) that we took up a year's option in his existing contract last season, and that he was out of contract at the end of this season.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 10, 2021, 06:01:48 PM

I'm not sure why I venture into the match thread. It's a new and unpleasant experience in COVID, as it seems ultra reactionary and off colour. I certainly wasn't watch the game that was causing so much anger and leading to some ridiculous comments
Don't be a drama monarch! It's the match thread. That is what it is for.  COVID?

That's what a handful of people use it for game after game. I agree with Ads completely, it's a 2 hour long toddler tantrum week after week.

I avoid the match thread, ultimately my choice, but I find it OTT.
Can understand on the terraces in the passion of the game and Iím like it myself, the hearts still racing when I watch it on TV, but obviously different without 20,000 also going mad in the Holte, but it takes time to even write a short message, so I honestly canít understand some of the hysteria once even a few seconds has passed.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2021, 06:02:33 PM
Dreadful first 50 mins or so. But our second half performance was miles better, especially after they equalised. We looked the most likely to get the winner but unfortunately they did with a great strike. Some of our players were transformed in the second half from risible first half efforts, Luiz and Trez in particular. Hope Trez injury isn't too bad, if a few more had his gumption they would be superstars. Like others I would have started Davis today but wouldn't be overly harsh on the subs made.

Martinez 9, Cash 5, Konsa 7, Mings 6, Targett 7, Nakamba 4 (Barkley 5), McGinn 5, Luiz 6, Trez 6 (Ramsey 6), Watkins 7, Traore 2 (AEG 6).

How I saw it too Bronte. Not like us this, must be a full moon!
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: The Charmer on April 10, 2021, 06:02:39 PM
Fu**ing fuming!

It's bad enough having Carragher assisting a Liverpool game but the the main commentator, whoever the c**t was, wanking himself off over the late winner.
Stops their poor run at home; Puts them back in the Top 4; Not just on Merseyside, but the whole world should rejoice. Fu**ing unbelievable!
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 10, 2021, 06:03:33 PM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.


Do you really have to come out with that sort of homophobic nonsense?

Explain how that is homophobic? Did I mention anyone of the same sex doing anything to anyone else of the same sex?  No I didn't.   Why do people feel the need to actively seek out offence these day. It's fucking tragic. 
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Skerra on April 10, 2021, 06:06:07 PM
I also wish DS paid some attention to body language. Did anyone else notice Barkley being lethargic even getting ready to come on? Certainly was in no hurry to come on. Lot of players would be chomping at the bit to come on. Barkley was only chomping at his chewing gum.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2021, 06:08:17 PM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.


Do you really have to come out with that sort of homophobic nonsense?

Explain how that is homophobic? Did I mention anyone of the same sex doing anything to anyone else of the same sex?  No I didn't.   Why do people feel the need to actively seek out offence these day. It's fucking tragic. 

Or you could just accept that the top line is fucking tripe and apologise for it.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 10, 2021, 06:08:41 PM

And KT I think your description is from another time and place mate.

Absolutely, a time and a place where people could make light hearted remarks without some virtue signalling zealot, probably describing themselves as "woke", deciding to flounce into umbrage.  If you find that or the original remark offensive I genuinely feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 10, 2021, 06:09:13 PM

I'm not sure why I venture into the match thread. It's a new and unpleasant experience in COVID, as it seems ultra reactionary and off colour. I certainly wasn't watch the game that was causing so much anger and leading to some ridiculous comments
Don't be a drama monarch! It's the match thread. That is what it is for.  COVID?

That's what a handful of people use it for game after game. I agree with Ads completely, it's a 2 hour long toddler tantrum week after week.
Tough tit big nose! Ner! Ner!
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 10, 2021, 06:09:51 PM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.


Do you really have to come out with that sort of homophobic nonsense?

Explain how that is homophobic? Did I mention anyone of the same sex doing anything to anyone else of the same sex?  No I didn't.   Why do people feel the need to actively seek out offence these day. It's fucking tragic. 

Or you could just accept that the top line is fucking tripe and apologise for it.

Or I could just ignore you, which is much more preferable.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 10, 2021, 06:10:44 PM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.


Do you really have to come out with that sort of homophobic nonsense?

Explain how that is homophobic? Did I mention anyone of the same sex doing anything to anyone else of the same sex?  No I didn't.   Why do people feel the need to actively seek out offence these day. It's fucking tragic.

Iím not easily offended, itís just crass and has obvious connotations, like I said something from another time. But up to you if your happy enough with it.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: CT on April 10, 2021, 06:10:54 PM
I also wish DS paid some attention to body language. Did anyone else notice Barkley being lethargic even getting ready to come on? Certainly was in no hurry to come on. Lot of players would be chomping at the bit to come on. Barkley was only chomping at his chewing gum.

Three times heís done that now. Itís no coincidence.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 10, 2021, 06:11:57 PM

And KT I think your description is from another time and place mate.

Absolutely, a time and a place where people could make light hearted remarks without some virtue signalling zealot, probably describing themselves as "woke", deciding to flounce into umbrage.  If you find that or the original remark offensive I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Nobody apart from columnists in right-wing newspapers uses the word 'woke'.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 10, 2021, 06:12:56 PM

And KT I think your description is from another time and place mate.

Absolutely, a time and a place where people could make light hearted remarks without some virtue signalling zealot, probably describing themselves as "woke", deciding to flounce into umbrage.  If you find that or the original remark offensive I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Nobody apart from columnists in right-wing newspapers uses the word 'woke'.
See also 'snowflake'.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 10, 2021, 06:13:12 PM

And KT I think your description is from another time and place mate.

Absolutely, a time and a place where people could make light hearted remarks without some virtue signalling zealot, probably describing themselves as "woke", deciding to flounce into umbrage.  If you find that or the original remark offensive I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Nobody apart from columnists in right-wing newspapers uses the word 'woke'.

I beg to differ - there's plenty of it around.  And it's a fucking pain.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 10, 2021, 06:15:28 PM

And KT I think your description is from another time and place mate.

Absolutely, a time and a place where people could make light hearted remarks without some virtue signalling zealot, probably describing themselves as "woke", deciding to flounce into umbrage.  If you find that or the original remark offensive I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Nobody apart from columnists in right-wing newspapers uses the word 'woke'.

I beg to differ - there's plenty of it around.  And it's a fucking pain.

Point me to it.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 10, 2021, 06:16:33 PM

Iím not easily offended, itís just crass and has obvious connotations, like I said something from another time. But up to you if your happy enough with it.

It has "connotations"?  Sure if you are looking for some, which you would be if absolutely determined to be offended.  You can read into something whatever you want, through the filter of your own prejudices and attitudes.  Doesn't mean they are actually there.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 10, 2021, 06:16:55 PM

And KT I think your description is from another time and place mate.

Absolutely, a time and a place where people could make light hearted remarks without some virtue signalling zealot, probably describing themselves as "woke", deciding to flounce into umbrage.  If you find that or the original remark offensive I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Nobody apart from columnists in right-wing newspapers uses the word 'woke'.

I beg to differ - there's plenty of it around.  And it's a fucking pain.

Point me to it.
No
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 10, 2021, 06:17:18 PM
Not even going to comment on the performances - Smith cost us that one... could see it the second the teamsheet came out.

What annoyed me as much as that 90 minutes was the Sky coverage. There should be a rule that ex-players shouldn't commentate on their ex-team's matches - It was nauseating at times from Carragher. *saying that, the other commentator was just as bad!
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 10, 2021, 06:17:22 PM
Ah, you can't.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 10, 2021, 06:18:23 PM

Iím not easily offended, itís just crass and has obvious connotations, like I said something from another time. But up to you if your happy enough with it.

It has "connotations"?  Sure if you are looking for some, which you would be if absolutely determined to be offended.  You can read into something whatever you want, through the filter of your own prejudices and attitudes.  Doesn't mean they are actually there.

If you can't see what is offensive in what you wrote, and if you then want to criticize and abuse anyone who does take offence, this isn't the place for you.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2021, 06:19:52 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12271677/ft-liverpool-2-1-aston-villa
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 10, 2021, 06:20:02 PM
Ah, you can't.

Whatever.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on April 10, 2021, 06:21:14 PM
I thought we'd got a bit better at avoiding defeats in added time, but interestingly I just saw this on BBC Sport:

'Aston Villa have lost 22 Premier League games in such a manner. Only Spurs (23) have lost more in the competition's history.'
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 10, 2021, 06:22:30 PM
Ah, you can't.

I believe at this point in these situations these days one is usually directed to, "do your own research".
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on April 10, 2021, 06:22:48 PM
Weíve got it in us to top that league, I know it.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on April 10, 2021, 06:23:27 PM

Iím not easily offended, itís just crass and has obvious connotations, like I said something from another time. But up to you if your happy enough with it.

It has "connotations"?  Sure if you are looking for some, which you would be if absolutely determined to be offended.  You can read into something whatever you want, through the filter of your own prejudices and attitudes.  Doesn't mean they are actually there.

If you can't see what is offensive in what you wrote, and if you then want to criticize and abuse anyone who does take offence, this isn't the place for you.

You accused me of being homophobic.  You still haven't explained why or in what sense you could make that claim.  And bear in mind you've done that, making a baseless and potentially damaging accusation on a public forum. Maybe it isn't the right place for you.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 10, 2021, 06:25:53 PM
Ah, you can't.

I believe at this point in these situations these days one is usually directed to, "do your own research".

True. The thing is, I have. And nobody apart from right-wing commentators uses the term.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2021, 06:27:24 PM
The match, anyone?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 10, 2021, 06:27:44 PM
I thought we'd got a bit better at avoiding defeats in added time, but interestingly I just saw this on BBC Sport:

'Aston Villa have lost 22 Premier League games in such a manner. Only Spurs (23) have lost more in the competition's history.'

Since 1992? That's less than one a season. Do they also mention that Liverpool joined West Ham as the only teams to score against us in both games so far this season?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 10, 2021, 06:28:39 PM

And KT I think your description is from another time and place mate.

Absolutely, a time and a place where people could make light hearted remarks without some virtue signalling zealot, probably describing themselves as "woke", deciding to flounce into umbrage.  If you find that or the original remark offensive I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Nobody apart from columnists in right-wing newspapers uses the word 'woke'.

I beg to differ - there's plenty of it around.  And it's a fucking pain.

The idea that Iím a zealot or describe myself as woke is generally hilarious and Iím honestly laughing here. Yes letís go back to happier times when we could use whatever language we wanted however offensive and could never be challenged, as long as your happy mate.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 10, 2021, 06:31:19 PM
Haven't read any posts on here after reading one on the Dean Smith thread, which was an "oh dear" post (dummies, prams and all that).
Re Villa-I thought we gave it a good go today. Yes there were some poor individual performances and a baffling substitution with Ramsey coming on for Trez instead of Davis imo. We had opportunities in the 1st half and was unlucky with Trez's effort in the second. Traore was poor and for me is no more than an impact sub. Trez improved in the 2nd half. As far as I'm concerned barkley can just f-ck off. For their 2nd goal he stood still in the middle of the park when the ball was passed beyond him to a defender/dcm(?), who made the run and he did nothing. Cut that out or at least close it down and the ball might not be played forwards. Then when the defender scores barkley is on the "D" again doing f-ck all, when marking or a press might have prevented the shot. Not good enough!
Re red scouse anybody would think they'd won a trophy at the end the way they celebrated...even playing patchily we had them worried. What is it with their back to front jerseys? An 8-4 aggregate win over the season shows how we've progressed. They may as well enjoy their win today because I can only see the Villa progressing further and doing these many more times in the years to come. UTV!
Btw...Having the national winner has eased my disappointment at the result slightly.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 10, 2021, 06:31:19 PM
The most predictable result all weekend.

How much did you win? Correct score, must've been a few bob.

I lost. (Liverpool 2-1, Salah anytime and over 7 corners)
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2021, 06:31:37 PM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.


Do you really have to come out with that sort of homophobic nonsense?

Explain how that is homophobic? Did I mention anyone of the same sex doing anything to anyone else of the same sex?  No I didn't.   Why do people feel the need to actively seek out offence these day. It's fucking tragic. 

Or you could just accept that the top line is fucking tripe and apologise for it.

Or I could just ignore you, which is much more preferable.

Plenty of people would find the first line of your post somewhere between crass and wildly homophobic so it really is a simple thing to apologise and delete it instead of having arguments with a whole bunch of people over it and thinking calling them 'woke' or 'snowflake' or any other bollocks does anything but show you up even more.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on April 10, 2021, 06:35:28 PM
Did the Villa play today?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 10, 2021, 06:35:41 PM
The first line is fine. It is the third and fourth lines that are being questioned.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 10, 2021, 06:36:45 PM

Iím not easily offended, itís just crass and has obvious connotations, like I said something from another time. But up to you if your happy enough with it.

It has "connotations"?  Sure if you are looking for some, which you would be if absolutely determined to be offended.  You can read into something whatever you want, through the filter of your own prejudices and attitudes.  Doesn't mean they are actually there.

If you can't see what is offensive in what you wrote, and if you then want to criticize and abuse anyone who does take offence, this isn't the place for you.

You accused me of being homophobic.  You still haven't explained why or in what sense you could make that claim.  And bear in mind you've done that, making a baseless and potentially damaging accusation on a public forum. Maybe it isn't the right place for you.

I'm not putting up with this shit in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Allan C on April 10, 2021, 06:49:47 PM
For me, we played with nine men. Traore and Tres were both so poor. I thought Nakamba was better so was puzzled when he came off first. Both Barkley and AEG were equally as poor when they came on. Luiz was also better today but when you're carry two, itís inevitable that the result will be negative at this level. Iím afraid that this squad has reached its level. Theyíve got us this far but we need big improvements to progress further. If we start next season with these players in the first eleven we will at best stay where we are or more likely go backwards
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2021, 07:05:01 PM
For me, we played with nine men. Traore and Tres were both so poor. I thought Nakamba was better so was puzzled when he came off first. Both Barkley and AEG were equally as poor when they came on. Luiz was also better today but when you're carry two, itís inevitable that the result will be negative at this level. Iím afraid that this squad has reached its level. Theyíve got us this far but we need big improvements to progress further. If we start next season with these players in the first eleven we will at best stay where we are or more likely go backwards

but again Trez hit the post with a fantastic effort and should've been given a penalty. It's fine margins but this thread could easily be everyone celebrating him having been instrumental in 2 goals.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2021, 07:05:46 PM
Bringing on Barkley, what on earth was the point in that? He's not our player, he won't be here next season,and other than the first two or three games he's been abysmal.  Why not give somebody who will be here next season a chance? Davis came on and changed the game last week, so while I'm not a huge fan of his, he deserved a chance today ahead of Ross sodding Barkley who has done bugger all to deserve another chance. It was the same last year when he persevered with that waste of space Danny Drinkwater. Clueless.

Well if we improve in the summer up front, Davis won't be here either.

He's a year into a new four year contract. Don't think Davis will be going anywhere.

Really?! I thought (and I'm always wrong) that we took up a year's option in his existing contract last season, and that he was out of contract at the end of this season.

Nope, signed a new four year contract last year.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 10, 2021, 07:08:41 PM
Frustrating. Frustrated. Fucked off.

They showed they have a lot of good players and dug out a win. We just didn't have enough.

It shows we need a couple of new forwards next year. Barkley really isn't showing anything. Traore tries some really stupid stuff. Trez is a trier and can pop up with goals, he was so close today.

We'll be better again next season.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Allan C on April 10, 2021, 07:17:59 PM
For me, we played with nine men. Traore and Tres were both so poor. I thought Nakamba was better so was puzzled when he came off first. Both Barkley and AEG were equally as poor when they came on. Luiz was also better today but when you're carry two, itís inevitable that the result will be negative at this level. Iím afraid that this squad has reached its level. Theyíve got us this far but we need big improvements to progress further. If we start next season with these players in the first eleven we will at best stay where we are or more likely go backwards

but again Trez hit the post with a fantastic effort and should've been given a penalty. It's fine margins but this thread could easily be everyone celebrating him having been instrumental in 2 goals.
Yes great, but you or I could have have had that one shot. Overall he has reached his limit and if we want to take the next step he needs replacing
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2021, 07:18:02 PM
Being better next season would be good. Not being there is shit.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on April 10, 2021, 07:26:06 PM
I struggle with Barkley, he doesnít look that interested. Never busts a gut to chase a ball down or track back.

That said, he has a good touch and an eye for a pass, but he is a pure luxury as in effect we play with 10 men for the majority of the time he is on the pitch.

Thought Traore and SJM were poor today, Traore for losing possession and SJM for not getting involved enough.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 10, 2021, 07:36:13 PM
I think it was a pretty inappropriate remark.

On the game it was disappointing. Our season is fizzling out, but overall itís been good progress and I think the areas of improvement are clear.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 10, 2021, 07:45:18 PM
Totally unnecessary remark.
We lost a game we could have won in the last minute.
Hoping the Trez injury isn't serious but it looks it.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Skerra on April 10, 2021, 07:47:05 PM
DS has said that he wanted to get Barkley on as he can change a game. What player has he been watching over the last month or so? Only thing he changed was to contribute to us losing by being so lazy. Really wouldnít mind if he never played for us ever again.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: kipeye on April 10, 2021, 07:52:49 PM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.


Do you really have to come out with that sort of homophobic nonsense?
That's the opening chapter of his autobiography...
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2021, 07:53:13 PM
DS has said that he wanted to get Barkley on as he can change a game. What player has he been watching over the last month or so? Only thing he changed was to contribute to us losing by being so lazy. Really wouldnít mind if he never played for us ever again.

I was surprised to see Barkley come on first as Smith didn't give him a minute against Fulham when we were chasing it. I think it's been clear for some time that Barkley won't be kept on next season. If ever there was a case for finishing up a loan early, this is it.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: CT Villan on April 10, 2021, 07:57:37 PM
Didn't think we were that bad.

Luiz and Mings were occasionally too casual and Barkley is a waste of a shirt, but we were otherwise ok.

Thought Nakamba started well but faded in the second half.

Would have preferred Ramsey for Trez at half time or quickly thereafter and would never have brought Barkley on. Davis with Ollie moving wide would have been more productive.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2021, 07:58:16 PM
DS has said that he wanted to get Barkley on as he can change a game. What player has he been watching over the last month or so? Only thing he changed was to contribute to us losing by being so lazy. Really wouldnít mind if he never played for us ever again.

I was surprised to see Barkley come on first as Smith didn't give him a minute against Fulham when we were chasing it. I think it's been clear for some time that Barkley won't be kept on next season. If ever there was a case for finishing up a loan early, this is it.
it was an awfull decision, he got every sub wrong.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: FrankyH on April 10, 2021, 08:05:35 PM
Just before they scored the winner , I thought we might sneak a winner . They gave the ball away cheaply  two or three times , but we couldn't capitalise on it. Frustrated , but I think we got lucky with the VAR chalked off goal.   
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 10, 2021, 08:07:50 PM
DS has said that he wanted to get Barkley on as he can change a game. What player has he been watching over the last month or so? Only thing he changed was to contribute to us losing by being so lazy. Really wouldnít mind if he never played for us ever again.

I was surprised to see Barkley come on first as Smith didn't give him a minute against Fulham when we were chasing it. I think it's been clear for some time that Barkley won't be kept on next season. If ever there was a case for finishing up a loan early, this is it.
it was an awfull decision, he got every sub wrong.
especially after the "success" last week - not sticking with those who turned things around last week for me smacks of poor person management .....that is one of the weakest Liverpool defences for some while and we failed to really put them under significant pressure .......what did we have to lose by having a real go at them? 
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: The Charmer on April 10, 2021, 08:10:11 PM
Does anyone know if there is something in the smallprint  with the Barkley loan ?

Along the lines of 'If he's fit, then we have to give him so many minutes' otherwise we are in breach and it will cost more money?
There is something strange when he keeps getting game time, makes things worse not better, behaves like a prat and then keeps getting game time.
Fortunately, I would think there is zero chance of him being here next season and Chelsea will have to lower their expectations massively if they're going to offload him anywhere.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on April 10, 2021, 08:10:29 PM
Change the game? I wouldnít trust Barkley to change the channel on my telly.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Clive W on April 10, 2021, 08:11:55 PM
DS has said that he wanted to get Barkley on as he can change a game. What player has he been watching over the last month or so? Only thing he changed was to contribute to us losing by being so lazy. Really wouldnít mind if he never played for us ever again.

I was surprised to see Barkley come on first as Smith didn't give him a minute against Fulham when we were chasing it. I think it's been clear for some time that Barkley won't be kept on next season. If ever there was a case for finishing up a loan early, this is it.
it was an awfull decision, he got every sub wrong.

And last week he got every sub right

So on average, over the two games, he did ok
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2021, 08:14:39 PM
DS has said that he wanted to get Barkley on as he can change a game. What player has he been watching over the last month or so? Only thing he changed was to contribute to us losing by being so lazy. Really wouldnít mind if he never played for us ever again.

I was surprised to see Barkley come on first as Smith didn't give him a minute against Fulham when we were chasing it. I think it's been clear for some time that Barkley won't be kept on next season. If ever there was a case for finishing up a loan early, this is it.
it was an awfull decision, he got every sub wrong.

And last week he got every sub right

So on average, over the two games, he did ok
Yes last week he did, which makes his selection and subs even more baffling.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 10, 2021, 08:17:31 PM
Just before they scored the winner , I thought we might sneak a winner . They gave the ball away cheaply  two or three times , but we couldn't capitalise on it. Frustrated , but I think we got lucky with the VAR chalked off goal.

He was offside. If 'luck' had any effect on today, it was Trez's shot being 3 or 4 millimetres away from the sweet spot on the post that would have seen it go in rather than come back along the line. Even a few millimetres the other way would've seen it come back to him better so's he could've put away the rebound.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: The Charmer on April 10, 2021, 08:24:06 PM
Change the game? I wouldnít trust Barkley to change the channel on my telly.
Like it Des :-)
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 10, 2021, 08:44:12 PM
To be fair, Barkley has done it against Liverpool in the past. He has an undoubted ability but just hasn't been anywhere near good nor consistent enough for us. On another day it could have worked.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on April 10, 2021, 09:06:49 PM
In my book Smith lost us that game today with his safety first idea of going to Liverpool not to lose Every one knows how poor their centre halfs were in the week against Real Instead of giving Ollie some help and putting pressure on them by playing Davis he stayed to his one and only way of playing and Liverpool had as easy a afternoon as they could only of dreamed of I could not believe it when he brought Barkley on instead of Davies Hopefully the rumours in the week that Purslow wants a bigger name and better manager to take the club on to bigger and better things are true because the run we have had since Christmas is just not good enough and i think Smith has shown  in that time he has probably took us as far as he can




Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 10, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
In my book Smith lost us that game today with his safety first idea of going to Liverpool not to lose Every one knows how poor their centre halfs were in the week against Real Instead of giving Ollie some help and putting pressure on them by playing Davis he stayed to his one and only way of playing and Liverpool had as easy a afternoon as they could only of dreamed of I could not believe it when he brought Barkley on instead of Davies Hopefully the rumours in the week that Purslow wants a bigger name and better manager to take the club on to bigger and better things are true because the run we have had since Christmas is just not good enough and i think Smith has shown  in that time he has probably took us as far as he can

The click bait in the week was Steven Gerard, a bigger name yes, a better manager?? Proven how?
Probably all nonsense.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 10, 2021, 09:23:03 PM
In my book Smith lost us that game today with his safety first idea of going to Liverpool not to lose Every one knows how poor their centre halfs were in the week against Real Instead of giving Ollie some help and putting pressure on them by playing Davis he stayed to his one and only way of playing and Liverpool had as easy a afternoon as they could only of dreamed of I could not believe it when he brought Barkley on instead of Davies Hopefully the rumours in the week that Purslow wants a bigger name and better manager to take the club on to bigger and better things are true because the run we have had since Christmas is just not good enough and i think Smith has shown  in that time he has probably took us as far as he can






He's improved us year on year for three seasons. How is that taking us as far as he can?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Taylor on April 10, 2021, 09:26:03 PM
In my book Smith lost us that game today with his safety first idea of going to Liverpool not to lose Every one knows how poor their centre halfs were in the week against Real Instead of giving Ollie some help and putting pressure on them by playing Davis he stayed to his one and only way of playing and Liverpool had as easy a afternoon as they could only of dreamed of I could not believe it when he brought Barkley on instead of Davies Hopefully the rumours in the week that Purslow wants a bigger name and better manager to take the club on to bigger and better things are true because the run we have had since Christmas is just not good enough and i think Smith has shown  in that time he has probably took us as far as he can





I cannot fathom the anti Smith posts on this thread. After a loss by the slimmest of margins against the league champions. FFS, can you imagine the laughing stock we would be if we sacked Dean now.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2021, 09:28:58 PM
In my book Smith lost us that game today with his safety first idea of going to Liverpool not to lose Every one knows how poor their centre halfs were in the week against Real Instead of giving Ollie some help and putting pressure on them by playing Davis he stayed to his one and only way of playing and Liverpool had as easy a afternoon as they could only of dreamed of I could not believe it when he brought Barkley on instead of Davies Hopefully the rumours in the week that Purslow wants a bigger name and better manager to take the club on to bigger and better things are true because the run we have had since Christmas is just not good enough and i think Smith has shown  in that time he has probably took us as far as he can





I cannot fathom the anti Smith posts on this thread. After a loss by the slimmest of margins against the league champions. FFS, can you imagine the laughing stock we would be if we sacked Dean now.

People come out with stuff like this whoever the manager is. People were questioning who would want the job if we sacked Steve Bruce. We're an enormous club with some of the richest owners in world football. Sooner or later they're going to want a manager who matches the size of the club.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2021, 09:30:23 PM
Craig Shakespeare big enough for you?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 10, 2021, 09:33:26 PM
Thats very true but if Villa finish say 10th-12th I can't see the owners sending Smith on his way.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on April 10, 2021, 09:35:44 PM
What is hard to understand about in my opinion Smith has taken us as far as he can . I do not think he is capable of making us better and i have said so  We will see
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 10, 2021, 09:42:51 PM
What is hard to understand about in my opinion Smith has taken us as far as he can . I do not think he is capable of making us better and i have said so  We will see

Your opinion - fine. And I stick to what I say; you can't say he's taken us as far as he can when so far he's taking us further all the time.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on April 10, 2021, 09:52:18 PM
I have said it i  cant see him taking us on to bigger and better things  I hope he proves me wrong .
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: amfy on April 10, 2021, 10:43:17 PM
I have said it i  cant see him taking us on to bigger and better things  I hope he proves me wrong .

& what did you think this time last year?
Iíd imagine like most of us you thought he couldnít keep us in this division, let alone make us safe in it on the following season before this time this year - so yes, letís hope he does keep proving you wrong.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: amfy on April 10, 2021, 11:06:11 PM
DS has said that he wanted to get Barkley on as he can change a game. What player has he been watching over the last month or so? Only thing he changed was to contribute to us losing by being so lazy. Really wouldnít mind if he never played for us ever again.

I was surprised to see Barkley come on first as Smith didn't give him a minute against Fulham when we were chasing it. I think it's been clear for some time that Barkley won't be kept on next season. If ever there was a case for finishing up a loan early, this is it.
it was an awfull decision, he got every sub wrong.

And last week he got every sub right

So on average, over the two games, he did ok
Yes last week he did, which makes his selection and subs even more baffling.


I thought this week was more difficult as the various injuries & knocks (Luiz - head injury or whatever it was, Traore getting a slight knock which appeared to cause a flare up of the injury he sustained to his ribs in the hoardings thi to ther week, & then Trez turning his knee) meant that we not only lost the flow and momentum at the time of those injuries, it meant subs were made on the hoof rather than planned. The subs today were for injuries, not tactics.

Having said that, he could definitely be better at lateral thinking in those moments & using an injury to change things up. That creativity and quickness of thinking could well be a shortfall in his managerial ability. However, it isnít an easy thing - you are planning one way to switch it up, & then a player who is key to the shape you have in mind turns out to be the one coming off (Trez in particular was a bad one to lose today at a point where he was finding space) - you have moments really to get 11 man on the pitch again - & the option of something pretty much Ďlike for likeí while you think about it a bit more must be the one at the top of your mind.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Nev on April 10, 2021, 11:22:23 PM
The stuff about Smith reminds me of people barking about transfer fees being too high before the player has kicked a ball.

If we stall he will be under pressure, if we regress he will certainly lose his job, the only question is time. Neither of those has happened, criticism of his management is valid, questioning his position isn't. As things stand.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2021, 11:29:53 PM
The stuff about Smith reminds me of people barking about transfer fees being too high before the player has kicked a ball.

If we stall he will be under pressure, if we regress he will certainly lose his job, the only question is time. Neither of those has happened, criticism of his management is valid, questioning his position isn't. As things stand.

Be sure to let us know when questioning his position does become valid.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on April 10, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
I would love to hear Smiths reasoning for bringing Barkley on because for me it was puzzling in the extreme. Davis after being an important part of the improvement last week was ignored, hows that for building a players confidence? The first half we kept giving the ball away cheaply JM being a main culprit, we were lucky Mings brain fart came to nothing early on. Liverpool were the more skilful side overaul and just about deserved it, we need to strengthen but it would be better surely to give two or three of the kids game time just to see where they are in their development.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2021, 01:19:53 AM
Identical in many ways to last season's game at VP - No Jack but we take the lead; Liverpool have a goal disallowed by VAR for an armpit/gnat's pube being offside and they eventually come from behind to win at the death. I could see it coming, I just assumed it would be Manť off the bench adding to his collection of goals against us.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 06:57:58 AM
Identical in many ways to last season's game at VP - No Jack but we take the lead; Liverpool have a goal disallowed by VAR for an armpit/gnat's pube being offside and they eventually come from behind to win at the death. I could see it coming, I just assumed it would be Manť off the bench adding to his collection of goals against us.
Smiths subs were a factor in that game as well.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 11, 2021, 07:16:23 AM
I like it! Smith's Subs would be a good, solid middle of the road username for a new poster on here.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on April 11, 2021, 07:56:57 AM
MOTD manage to debate TAA's contribution to the game without questioning whether he should have had a penalty awarded against him.   I can't wait till we are back truly as a "top" club and get the benefit of doubt from referees and pundits
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: NorthYvillan on April 11, 2021, 08:02:51 AM
I well remember similar phrases being used about Martin O'Neill  - taken us as far as he can; need a change of manager if we're going to take the next step......... i too had my issues with his tactics and choices of players. However, he beat us to it and resigned and the next few years weren't exactly great. Be careful what you wish for regarding Dean Smith?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on April 11, 2021, 08:06:16 AM
I heard a start recently that we had conceded the most shots in the Prem since the start of 2021.

That feels like a stat from the 2019-2020 season but is indicative of, for me at least, the way we are set up makes us too easy to play against. The back 5, occasional Mings error notwithstanding, has been fantastic and Watkins works his socks off.

I can only put this down to the insistence on playing 2 wingers who have been largely peripheral in every game of late. Whether it is El Ghazi, Trez or Traore if we have 2 players in the team who are marginal to the flow of the game week after week then this is going to place the defence under huge pressure.

Solution? Rethink the system or the personnel or both. I just feel that we have regressed since the start of the year and it would do no harm to have a rethink.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 11, 2021, 08:16:44 AM
For me the Trez incident was a definite pen.
Their full back definitely caught Trez and injured him.
If Kane can get one in a similar situation against Cash, when Cash didn't even touch him (it was Kane that connected with Cash), then yesterday's should also have been given. Of course that depends on referees actually doing their job and not being seen to favour sky 6 clubs and it also depends on var being of some actual use in picking up what I can only describe as refereeing bias. I have no confidence in referees or var not awarding that to red scouse if that had been Cash connecting with Jota or Targett connecting with Salah.

Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 09:08:16 AM
I well remember similar phrases being used about Martin O'Neill  - taken us as far as he can; need a change of manager if we're going to take the next step......... i too had my issues with his tactics and choices of players. However, he beat us to it and resigned and the next few years weren't exactly great. Be careful what you wish for regarding Dean Smith?
it was true about ONeil, it might be about Smith.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Mellin on April 11, 2021, 09:12:16 AM
I well remember similar phrases being used about Martin O'Neill  - taken us as far as he can; need a change of manager if we're going to take the next step......... i too had my issues with his tactics and choices of players. However, he beat us to it and resigned and the next few years weren't exactly great. Be careful what you wish for regarding Dean Smith?

I like Smith and want him to stay on, but we'd have gone backwards under O'Neill too. Maybe not as far as quickly, mind.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 11, 2021, 09:24:19 AM
I think there's a difference though. Mon just seemed to think spending more money was the idea. We seem to have a plan this time. We've aleady looked to next season by bringing Sanson in and we added Shakespeare to the coaching team, the youth coach Mark Harrison and were tying our better players down on long term contracts.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on April 11, 2021, 09:30:24 AM
The difference is that the whole foundations of the club under OíNeill were built on sand, thereís proper bricks and mortar and reinforced concrete this time.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 09:30:47 AM
The set up yesterday
Flat back 4 sitting fairly deep then

                                                          Nakamba
              SJM.                                                                            Luiz

Traore.                                                                                               Trez

                                                         Watkins


Then he went


                 SJM.                                                                     Luiz

Traore. Ramsey                           Barkley.                                        Trez AEG

                                         Watkins

The distance between our wide players and midfield was huge, we were unable to use the press because we were too far away from each other and the the situation was exacerbated by our wingers giving the ball away ( particularly Trare) The 3 midfield players were all over the place.
It looked like a shambles.

 
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2021, 09:31:19 AM
I think weíve done well this season and Dean deserves more time. But what I would say is if these long sequences of poor form (not specifically losing to Liverpool in isolation) continue to be symptomatic of Deanís management at some point the owners wonít tolerate it. I hope Dean works out a way to address this.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on April 11, 2021, 09:33:57 AM
Liverpoolís ability to play through the lines at times yesterday from front to back was frightening. Yes theyíve got bloody good players but our openness was naive in the extreme.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 11, 2021, 09:35:07 AM
The set up yesterday
Flat back 4 sitting fairly deep then

                                                          Nakamba
              SJM.                                                                                 Luiz

Traore.                                                                                                         Trez

                                                         Watkins


Then he went


                 SJM.                                                                     Luiz

Traore. Ramsey                           Barkley.                                        Trez AEG

                                         Watkins

The distance between our wide players and midfield was huge, we were unable to use the press because we were too far away from each other and the the situation was exacerbated by our wingers giving the ball away ( particularly Trare) The 3 midfield players were all over the place.
It looked like a shambles.

 


You can argue that two players going off injured pretty quickly didn't help and Barkley came on just a few minutes before, which might not have been a sub he would have made had he left that one 10 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 09:36:01 AM
Liverpoolís ability to play through the lines at times yesterday from front to back was frightening. Yes theyíve got bloody good players but our openness was naive in the extreme.
I was trying to show above, it was just straight line passes from defence to attack.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 11, 2021, 09:39:39 AM
Evertonian playing Liverpool. Difference being, if you brought me on for Everton playing against the Noses at Mordor, I'd take scalps.

It's hard to think of a more disappointing player. He's nowhere near the worst player we've ever had, but for talent  wasted he must be up there with Curcic, who at least had an excuse that he was crackers.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 09:39:44 AM
The set up yesterday
Flat back 4 sitting fairly deep then

                                                          Nakamba
              SJM.                                                                                 Luiz

Traore.                                                                                                         Trez

                                                         Watkins


Then he went


                 SJM.                                                                     Luiz

Traore. Ramsey                           Barkley.                                        Trez AEG

                                         Watkins

The distance between our wide players and midfield was huge, we were unable to use the press because we were too far away from each other and the the situation was exacerbated by our wingers giving the ball away ( particularly Trare) The 3 midfield players were all over the place.
It looked like a shambles.

 


You can argue that two players going off injured pretty quickly didn't help and Barkley came on just a few minutes before, which might not have been a sub he would have made had he left that one 10 minutes or so.
agree, I was trying to demonstrate how big the gaps were which left us so open. The disappointment for me was that we had got away with it until half time but we came out exactly the same and inevitably we lost the lead.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 11, 2021, 09:39:57 AM
The set up yesterday
Flat back 4 sitting fairly deep then

                                                          Nakamba
              SJM.                                                                                 Luiz

Traore.                                                                                                         Trez

                                                         Watkins


Then he went


                 SJM.                                                                     Luiz

Traore. Ramsey                           Barkley.                                        Trez AEG

                                         Watkins

The distance between our wide players and midfield was huge, we were unable to use the press because we were too far away from each other and the the situation was exacerbated by our wingers giving the ball away ( particularly Trare) The 3 midfield players were all over the place.
It looked like a shambles.

It looked a midfield three to me yesterday, which I've no issue with but it was very strange that Luiz was left of Nakamba and McGinn to the right. Inverted wingers are one thing but inverted midfielders didn't help us retain possession. Trez played a lot closer to Watkins in the second half at least. Traore was a waste of space.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 09:54:13 AM
From the back 4 we were spread out, partly because the back 4 sat deep and the wingers stayed high and wide. We were neither plugging  the midfield gaps or supporting Watkins.
We went in a goal up at Anfield and left it exactly the same.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: steamer on April 11, 2021, 10:29:55 AM
Not the worst result we have ever had at Afield
But far from the best liverpool team we have ever played.
We should have got the draw
I think everyone realises to kick on or even consolidate next year we need some quality injections, we are unlikely to kick off at such a blistering pace as this year.
We also need a bit of flexibility/ and openness to change with our game plans
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on April 11, 2021, 10:34:54 AM
Liverpoolís ability to play through the lines at times yesterday from front to back was frightening. Yes theyíve got bloody good players but our openness was naive in the extreme.
I was trying to show above, it was just straight line passes from defence to attack.


Yep was agreeing. I think the comment I made the most yesterday whilst watching was "too bloody easy for them Villa". Fortunately the shape/ability of the back 4 is so good this season we were able to keep them out for the majority of the time but that midfield is all wrong currently. I think a few have said it would be good to maybe utilise a diamond or at least a 4 of some sort in midfield to stop our ineffective wide attackers being exposed yet again.   
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 10:41:52 AM
Liverpoolís ability to play through the lines at times yesterday from front to back was frightening. Yes theyíve got bloody good players but our openness was naive in the extreme.
I was trying to show above, it was just straight line passes from defence to attack.


Yep was agreeing. I think the comment I made the most yesterday whilst watching was "too bloody easy for them Villa". Fortunately the shape/ability of the back 4 is so good this season we were able to keep them out for the majority of the time but that midfield is all wrong currently. I think a few have said it would be good to maybe utilise a diamond or at least a 4 of some sort in midfield to stop our ineffective wide attackers being exposed yet again.   
yes I think we are both seeing it the same way.
He could make the 3 flat and push the Full backs further up, then that gives different attacking options.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: nick harper on April 11, 2021, 10:51:42 AM
Liverpoolís ability to play through the lines at times yesterday from front to back was frightening. Yes theyíve got bloody good players but our openness was naive in the extreme.
I was trying to show above, it was just straight line passes from defence to attack.


Yep was agreeing. I think the comment I made the most yesterday whilst watching was "too bloody easy for them Villa". Fortunately the shape/ability of the back 4 is so good this season we were able to keep them out for the majority of the time but that midfield is all wrong currently. I think a few have said it would be good to maybe utilise a diamond or at least a 4 of some sort in midfield to stop our ineffective wide attackers being exposed yet again.   

Funny, thatís what Iíve muttered under my breath a lot as well since the turn of the year. The first 30 minutes against Leicester was one of the worst examples but agree, it needs an overhaul and change of shape.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on April 11, 2021, 11:03:07 AM
A better 2nd half and after Liverpool equalised we contained them quite well, until they got the winner, but quality going forward was once again sadly lacking. How Traore starts every game I simply don't know, he was a liability today. Barkley was again crap, loses possession, powder puff striking, poor decision making and doesn't track back, very tough on Davis that he wasn't bought on.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 11, 2021, 11:12:15 AM
Just back after walking the dog - junior footy is back so the parks were busy - bumped into a fair few people who know me - mostly Reds ......without exception they all said that Villa didn't pressurise a weak Liverpool defence. Bearing in mind the result earlier in the year why didn't we go at them again? there was nothing to lose by doing so
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 11, 2021, 11:18:55 AM
We badly missed a target man .  Give me 12 months of Benteke will sort a lot of issues we witnessed yesterday
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 11, 2021, 11:31:46 AM
The set up yesterday
Flat back 4 sitting fairly deep then

                                                          Nakamba
              SJM.                                                                            Luiz

Traore.                                                                                               Trez

                                                         Watkins


Then he went


                 SJM.                                                                     Luiz

Traore. Ramsey                           Barkley.                                        Trez AEG

                                         Watkins

The distance between our wide players and midfield was huge, we were unable to use the press because we were too far away from each other and the the situation was exacerbated by our wingers giving the ball away ( particularly Trare) The 3 midfield players were all over the place.
It looked like a shambles.

A shambles and yet Liverpool didnít have a meaningful attack between equalising and getting the last minute winner and despite not being fluent we were completely comfortable. Not suggesting we played well or you donít make good points about about the set up, but a shamble suggests we were completely overrun. A draw would of been a fair result and I think not seeing that is overly negative.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: john2710 on April 11, 2021, 11:56:17 AM
Liverpool were there for the taking.

If Trez goes down, we get a penalty.

We can criticise Smithís selection & substitutes but the players on the bench arenít anywhere near as good as those starting.

A summer recruitment that addresses this will make a huge difference.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2021, 12:16:20 PM
Haven't read the full thread so not sure if anyone has mentioned it but I thought Targett was superb yesterday. His positioning, decision-making and contribution going forward all spot-on. He seems to have learned so much in the past 12 months and I trust him a lot more than Mings.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on April 11, 2021, 12:22:24 PM
Just come on to see what people are saying and I'm very suprised at the reaction. I thought we played well (not brilliantly) and that we were unlucky not to come away with a draw. A couple of players are out of form, a couple of others need upgrading and we are withouth our best player. We'll end up somewhere around mid-table, which is good progress. I'm not sure what it is some people expect.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2021, 12:24:28 PM
we got beat by the champions away from home in the last minute.

If you read these pages it appears we got beat 9-0 by Kidderminster Harriers.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 12:57:57 PM
The set up yesterday
Flat back 4 sitting fairly deep then

                                                          Nakamba
              SJM.                                                                            Luiz

Traore.                                                                                               Trez

                                                         Watkins


Then he went


                 SJM.                                                                     Luiz

Traore. Ramsey                           Barkley.                                        Trez AEG

                                         Watkins

The distance between our wide players and midfield was huge, we were unable to use the press because we were too far away from each other and the the situation was exacerbated by our wingers giving the ball away ( particularly Trare) The 3 midfield players were all over the place.
It looked like a shambles.

A shambles and yet Liverpool didnít have a meaningful attack between equalising and getting the last minute winner and despite not being fluent we were completely comfortable. Not suggesting we played well or you donít make good points about about the set up, but a shamble suggests we were completely overrun. A draw would of been a fair result and I think not seeing that is overly negative.
I saw a shambles , if you saw something different great.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 11, 2021, 01:11:12 PM
I wouldn't call losing 2-1 in stoppage time from a 20 yard strike a shambles. Why do people have to be so over the top?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 11, 2021, 01:49:34 PM
The set up yesterday
Flat back 4 sitting fairly deep then

                                                          Nakamba
              SJM.                                                                            Luiz

Traore.                                                                                               Trez

                                                         Watkins


Then he went


                 SJM.                                                                     Luiz

Traore. Ramsey                           Barkley.                                        Trez AEG

                                         Watkins

The distance between our wide players and midfield was huge, we were unable to use the press because we were too far away from each other and the the situation was exacerbated by our wingers giving the ball away ( particularly Trare) The 3 midfield players were all over the place.
It looked like a shambles.

A shambles and yet Liverpool didnít have a meaningful attack between equalising and getting the last minute winner and despite not being fluent we were completely comfortable. Not suggesting we played well or you donít make good points about about the set up, but a shamble suggests we were completely overrun. A draw would of been a fair result and I think not seeing that is overly negative.
I saw a shambles , if you saw something different great.

I honestly canít see how being completely comfortable for the last 35 minutes away to Liverpool and creating the best chance in that period when Trez hit the post, can be considered a shambles. We lost simply to an excellent finish from their second attack and shot of the half. I get passions run high with disappointments like yesterday, but shambles seems emotive language intended to cast further doubt on the manager.
But like you say different strokes and all that.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 11, 2021, 02:06:31 PM
I made two observations after yesterday's game.
(i) we really do not take enough care of the ball as a team. Time and again we could have been comfortable but gave the damn thing away.
(ii) Barkley's indecision when set up by Watkins directly led to the winning goal: if Barkley had taken the shot as soon as he'd received the ball, he would either have scored or the ball would have gone out for a goalkick or corner. Instead he dallied, the ball was taken from him and the ensuing move produced the goal.

A final point: I would not have brought either Barkley or AEG on, preferring to bring in Sanson and Ramsey, to de cure the wide areas.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2021, 02:13:40 PM
Sanson was injured.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 11, 2021, 02:18:20 PM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.
WTH is that about? We can do without neanderthal language I think.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 11, 2021, 02:18:52 PM
Sanson was injured.
So where was Barry?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 11, 2021, 02:24:05 PM
Sanson was injured.
Aaaahhhh - the flaw in my argument!
Thanks for pointing that out.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Skerra on April 11, 2021, 02:34:06 PM
I think we should put it to Chelsea that as DS is now describing Barkley as a game changer, we are prepared to let him go back to Chelsea, no questions asked, and let us have Tammy in exchange. As long as Chelsea give us a few quid as well to take Tammy off their hands as, they obviously regard him as surplus to requirements. Seriously though, I would love to see Tammy leading the line with Ollie playing off him. Would expect a good 35+ goals between them. Mouthwatering scenario.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on April 11, 2021, 02:35:39 PM
Smith knows one way of playing. Watkins will never play off anyone, bar the very odd substitution. It will always be with 2 wide forwards.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Matt C on April 11, 2021, 02:41:25 PM
Didnít think we deserved to win but we were good value for a point and looked the team most likely as the second half progressed. As others have said we must look after the ball better to stop inviting unnecessary pressure like the move that led to the winner (same with the equalizer at Newcastle too). Itís become especially apparent without Jack in the side as heís always a dependable outlet to run with it or keep possession in seemingly impossible situations.

I think we were always going to be investing again this summer but this bumpy run weíve had has probably highlighted a few additional areas for upgrades that otherwise might not have been on the radar.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on April 11, 2021, 08:28:54 PM
Ah, you can't.

I believe at this point in these situations these days one is usually directed to, "do your own research".

True. The thing is, I have. And nobody apart from right-wing commentators uses the term.
Just saying
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 11, 2021, 08:36:05 PM
Yes, you're right. I should've added 'and right-wing politicians'!


Edit: I was also referring specifically to the UK. Honest.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2021, 08:54:28 PM
We played way way worse at Brighton (with Grealish). Barely had an attack down there whereas yesterday Konsa had a free header, the goal and Trez very unlucky not to score. And I thought generally we were good second half so agree with DS summary on the game.

Yesterday wouldn't come close to top 5 worst performances of the season.

It was just another disappointing result in the disappointing run we're on.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 11, 2021, 09:31:53 PM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.
WTH is that about? We can do without neanderthal language I think.

He's gone.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on April 12, 2021, 01:03:01 AM
Am I the only one that thinks Tammy is not the player we need?
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 12, 2021, 01:17:15 AM
Am I the only one that thinks Tammy is not the player we need?

I agree with you, I donít dislike him as a player, I just donít see where he fits.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 12, 2021, 02:59:34 AM
Me three.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on April 12, 2021, 03:02:46 AM
Am I the only one that thinks Tammy is not the player we need?

I agree with you, I donít dislike him as a player, I just donít see where he fits.


I think Tammy is an out and out striker and with Ollie behind him in a free role slightly deeper it might work as Ollie does like to drift and drop off whereas Tammy doesn't a lot of the time. Tammy prefers being the out and out target man. With a fit and firing midfield to supply and support them both the way each of them prefer I think they both would score a decent amount of goals.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 12, 2021, 08:56:12 AM
Am I the only one that thinks Tammy is not the player we need?

I agree with you, I donít dislike him as a player, I just donít see where he fits.

He'd have to play in the out-and-out number 9 position, meaning you'd have to play Ollie the other side of the three to Jack. That would be an improvment on the current situation where we have one of three amigos wide, but as I said earlier, I'd prefer a player a bit more versatile so the top three could be a lot more interchangeable. Another Ollie would be nice, if we could clone him. On that general subject, it's another argument for giving Davis a chance, just so that we can see how Ollie does playing slightly wider. I don't think it will make any difference at all to his all round play, but it'd be good to try it out this season.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 12, 2021, 10:23:10 AM
Earlier in the season I thought Ollie was pretty much the same type of player as Tammy, get the ball in the six yard box and he's on it. He's not, Ollie has so much more to his game than Tammy. As for pushing Ollie out wide, now he's had a taste of playing for England at centre forward, I doubt very much he'd be too happy playing in a wider position.

That said, maybe the two could be more interchangeable, I recall Tammy saying his preferred position was in a wider role rather than as a traditional centre forward. Who knows. What I do know is we desperately need a proper winger and there's little point having Ollie nevermind Tammy if we can't improve the service to the strikers.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 12, 2021, 11:36:58 AM
I like Tammy, but in two minds about having him back, I donít know whether any demand to have him back is in part driven by sentimentality because of what he did for us previously. Heís a good player and seems like a decent lad when you hear him in interviews. Is he exactly what we need to support Ollie or the best we can get for whatever money we have available, I honestly donít know.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 12, 2021, 11:44:41 AM
6 home defeats on the bounce and desperately need to turn it round?  Players going through a rough patch and not scored for aeons? Fear not, the ever obliging Aston Villa are your ideal next opponents, pants down, bent double, gaping hole, fully lubed, written invitation.

Liverpool looked pretty ordinary by their standards and we chucked that away.   Two points pissed away at Newcastle in injury time, and another one here. 

Smith has to take the blame, Davis should have come on ahead of either Barkley or AEG.  In fact he should have started.  Defence is their weak point, two inexperienced CBs,  Alexander Arnold struggling defensively, and Alison out of form.  Stupid not to go at them.

And if that Cash incident with Kane was a penalty then so was TAA going through Trez.  But then Villa donít get those do they.
WTH is that about? We can do without neanderthal language I think.

He's gone.
Correct thing done.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Risso on April 12, 2021, 11:57:44 AM
Earlier in the season I thought Ollie was pretty much the same type of player as Tammy, get the ball in the six yard box and he's on it. He's not, Ollie has so much more to his game than Tammy. As for pushing Ollie out wide, now he's had a taste of playing for England at centre forward, I doubt very much he'd be too happy playing in a wider position.

That said, maybe the two could be more interchangeable, I recall Tammy saying his preferred position was in a wider role rather than as a traditional centre forward. Who knows. What I do know is we desperately need a proper winger and there's little point having Ollie nevermind Tammy if we can't improve the service to the strikers.

The more variety Ollie has, the greater his England chances will be I reckon. Kane is very obviously the number one choice as out-and-out striker, with Calvert-Lewin as his back up. If Ollie can play anywhere across the front three, I think it would give him more chance of going to the Euros and World Cup. We're not talk about him being an out and out winger in a 4-4-2, but a wide forward in a three, so the difference isn't as pronounced. We as Villa fans just think it is, because we've got used to mostly rubbish wingers playing there.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2021, 12:30:00 PM
Earlier in the season I thought Ollie was pretty much the same type of player as Tammy, get the ball in the six yard box and he's on it. He's not, Ollie has so much more to his game than Tammy. As for pushing Ollie out wide, now he's had a taste of playing for England at centre forward, I doubt very much he'd be too happy playing in a wider position.

That said, maybe the two could be more interchangeable, I recall Tammy saying his preferred position was in a wider role rather than as a traditional centre forward. Who knows. What I do know is we desperately need a proper winger and there's little point having Ollie nevermind Tammy if we can't improve the service to the strikers.

The more variety Ollie has, the greater his England chances will be I reckon. Kane is very obviously the number one choice as out-and-out striker, with Calvert-Lewin as his back up. If Ollie can play anywhere across the front three, I think it would give him more chance of going to the Euros and World Cup. We're not talk about him being an out and out winger in a 4-4-2, but a wide forward in a three, so the difference isn't as pronounced. We as Villa fans just think it is, because we've got used to mostly rubbish wingers playing there.

I agree.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: in exile on April 12, 2021, 12:57:28 PM
Piss poor midfield again.
McGinn playing his preferred roll was as poor as ever imo.
 
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 12, 2021, 02:25:02 PM
I think people would just like another proven striker in the squad, that's all.

Signing John Carew years back helped push us up from 11th-16th to 6th after all so another experienced striker out there at 25-26 so fancies playing in premier league would fit the bill for me.

We ain't finishing 6th anytime soon with the back up striker options we have I'm afraid. One of the reasons we get so few points in games we're losing with 20 minutes left.

I think with our issues it makes sense to target a CF who can also play regularly out wide in the 3 as many of the top teams have. Think David Neres at Ajax is worth targeting as he can play either role, is 24 and been in Brazil squads with Doug and think he's got two years left on his deal so with Ajax signing Haller they'll probably want to cash in.

Will probably be some decent european clubs after him so think that would be type of ambitious move we need to start making in next two years.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 12, 2021, 03:09:09 PM
I think people would just like another proven striker in the squad, that's all.

Signing John Carew years back helped push us up from 11th-16th to 6th after all so another experienced striker out there at 25-26 so fancies playing in premier league would fit the bill for me.

We ain't finishing 6th anytime soon with the back up striker options we have I'm afraid. One of the reasons we get so few points in games we're losing with 20 minutes left.

I think with our issues it makes sense to target a CF who can also play regularly out wide in the 3 as many of the top teams have. Think David Neres at Ajax is worth targeting as he can play either role, is 24 and been in Brazil squads with Doug and think he's got two years left on his deal so with Ajax signing Haller they'll probably want to cash in.

Will probably be some decent european clubs after him so think that would be type of ambitious move we need to start making in next two years.

Neres is a decent shout but my conern is that he's never really nailed down a place as a regular starter for them despite having a decent record.

Donyell Malen at PSV is the player I'd go for in the dutch league, I think he'd fit perfectly in a 3 with Watkins and Grealish. Would be big money though because I suspect a lot of teams are looking at him for this summer.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 12, 2021, 03:30:23 PM
Donyell Malen at PSV is the player I'd go for in the dutch league, I think he'd fit perfectly in a 3 with Watkins and Grealish. Would be big money though because I suspect a lot of teams are looking at him for this summer.

Not only, his agent is Raiola who doesn't work on the cheap. Lovely player though and exactly the type we should be looking for.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 12, 2021, 11:25:30 PM
Having spoken to a few Liverpool fans about the game, the general consensus from them was that it was a close game, they all felt like they were going to lose and what a goal to win it.

I said there were a number of fans that thought we were shit and they'd have none of it.

I think we're potentially doing ourselves down here and it's probably on the back of a mess successful period than earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 12, 2021, 11:42:53 PM
I think people would just like another proven striker in the squad, that's all.

Signing John Carew years back helped push us up from 11th-16th to 6th after all so another experienced striker out there at 25-26 so fancies playing in premier league would fit the bill for me.

We ain't finishing 6th anytime soon with the back up striker options we have I'm afraid. One of the reasons we get so few points in games we're losing with 20 minutes left.

I think with our issues it makes sense to target a CF who can also play regularly out wide in the 3 as many of the top teams have. Think David Neres at Ajax is worth targeting as he can play either role, is 24 and been in Brazil squads with Doug and think he's got two years left on his deal so with Ajax signing Haller they'll probably want to cash in.

Will probably be some decent european clubs after him so think that would be type of ambitious move we need to start making in next two years.

Neres is a decent shout but my conern is that he's never really nailed down a place as a regular starter for them despite having a decent record.

Donyell Malen at PSV is the player I'd go for in the dutch league, I think he'd fit perfectly in a 3 with Watkins and Grealish. Would be big money though because I suspect a lot of teams are looking at him for this summer.

Yeah Malen is decent but you only have to look at Bergwijn at Spurs who I think was posting similar stats at PSV, I believe it's 0 goals and 0 assists at Spurs so far this season despite a decent amount of minutes up to last few months. Can he play centrally or is he just a pure wide player?

Neres was a regular starter when Ajax got to CL sfs two seasons ago (scored v Juventus and Real Madrid).

This season he's started all of their europa league knock out games so plays the ones that really matter for them.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 13, 2021, 09:16:34 AM
Having spoken to a few Liverpool fans about the game, the general consensus from them was that it was a close game, they all felt like they were going to lose and what a goal to win it.

I said there were a number of fans that thought we were shit and they'd have none of it.

I think we're potentially doing ourselves down here and it's probably on the back of a mess successful period than earlier in the season.

I work in an office full of Kopites and they share the same view.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2021, 09:19:50 AM
Having spoken to a few Liverpool fans about the game, the general consensus from them was that it was a close game, they all felt like they were going to lose and what a goal to win it.

I said there were a number of fans that thought we were shit and they'd have none of it.

I think we're potentially doing ourselves down here and it's probably on the back of a mess successful period than earlier in the season.

I work in an office full of Kopites and they share the same view.
my commiserations.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 13, 2021, 11:09:04 AM
Having spoken to a few Liverpool fans about the game, the general consensus from them was that it was a close game, they all felt like they were going to lose and what a goal to win it.

I said there were a number of fans that thought we were shit and they'd have none of it.

I think we're potentially doing ourselves down here and it's probably on the back of a mess successful period than earlier in the season.

I work in an office full of Kopites and they share the same view.

I work with a couple of Liverpool fans that all think a draw would've been a fair result. They also said they thought they massively got away with one for the penalty shout.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: Ads on April 13, 2021, 11:45:27 AM
Match going Liverpool fans are probably the fairest bunch of away fans I have ever come across. They tend to speak pretty kindly of us and are fair and knowledgeable.

Contrast that with the plastics that populate RAWK and the like and you see a huge disparity.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2021, 03:41:05 PM
Match going Liverpool fans are probably the fairest bunch of away fans I have ever come across. They tend to speak pretty kindly of us and are fair and knowledgeable.

Contrast that with the plastics that populate RAWK and the like and you see a huge disparity.

I couldn't agree more, I spent a fair stretch working in the city and had many great discussions with fans of both sides without any twattery.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 13, 2021, 05:39:53 PM
Having spoken to a few Liverpool fans about the game, the general consensus from them was that it was a close game, they all felt like they were going to lose and what a goal to win it.

I said there were a number of fans that thought we were shit and they'd have none of it.

I think we're potentially doing ourselves down here and it's probably on the back of a mess successful period than earlier in the season.

Agree Drummond, living in the area, having talked to many redscouse, they were all very happy with the three points and many thought that a draw would have been a fair result.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 15, 2021, 12:20:02 AM
So did the commentator and Pat Nevin on the radio.

Things I don't understand:

1. A minority who seem to think that Deano's time is up!!

2. Continuing to play Dross Barkley (been dying to say this) when he contributes SFA.

3. Not using Keinan for the last half-hour to have a go at their dodgy centre-backs.

4. How we didn't get a penalty -oh, hang on, I think VAR was involved!! No problem, then.
Title: Re: Liverpool - 2 Aston Villa -1 Post Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 15, 2021, 06:33:19 PM
Having spoken to a few Liverpool fans about the game, the general consensus from them was that it was a close game, they all felt like they were going to lose and what a goal to win it.

I said there were a number of fans that thought we were shit and they'd have none of it.

I think we're potentially doing ourselves down here and it's probably on the back of a mess successful period than earlier in the season.

I work in an office full of Kopites and they share the same view.

I work with a couple of Liverpool fans that all think a draw would've been a fair result. They also said they thought they massively got away with one for the penalty shout.
the Liverpool fans I work with wouldn't have a clue where Anfield is.
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