Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2021, 06:28:19 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 06:29:57 PM
Post by: LukeJames on April 04, 2021, 06:30:15 PM
Brilliant cameo from Davis, holding the ball up, roughing up their back line.
Hopefully a huge mentality boost turning a defeat into victory for the first time in over 15 months.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on April 04, 2021, 06:30:22 PM
Good confidence boost for us though, for the Liverpool & Man City games coming up.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2021, 06:30:25 PM
Post by: villadelph on April 04, 2021, 06:31:03 PM
I was worried and upset after the first 75 minutes, but Dean got the subs correct today and he had to. Ramsey, Trez and Keinan all played their part and got us out of the weeds.
The push for Europe is still on!
Post by: Risso on April 04, 2021, 06:31:27 PM
Post by: andyh on April 04, 2021, 06:31:29 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 04, 2021, 06:31:53 PM
Post by: villa for life on April 04, 2021, 06:32:20 PM
Although traore did well for the third, and of course Trez, a top six side needs more consistency throughout the 90 mins.
Luiz. Traore. AEG, Trez are all bench players
Post by: BC Villain on April 04, 2021, 06:32:32 PM
Mind you if I was a Fulham fan, I'd be raging at that. The way the game had panned out, there's no way they should have lost that.
Post by: darren woolley on April 04, 2021, 06:32:54 PM
Post by: CT Villan on April 04, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
Would like to see 4-4-2 next time if Jack is unavailable.
Too many sub-par performances- well done Ramsey, Davis and Trez.
Konsa, Martinez and Targett did well too.
Post by: Des Little on April 04, 2021, 06:33:21 PM
Post by: manic-road on April 04, 2021, 06:34:04 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 04, 2021, 06:34:19 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2021, 06:34:28 PM
Play Davis from the start just to allow us to play differently. If Jack is out for longer then Trez over AEG every single time.
I really don't rate Trezeguet at all but to be fair to him, his two goals were fantastically taken and he really did make a cracking contribution today. Well played him. Davis was also excellent, impact sub but never a starter. Absolutely awful first 74 minutes but once we got our first shot on target, we played well. Great to see Watkins in the right place at the right time after great skill from Traore, stop diving though Bertie, eh?
Post by: nordenvillain on April 04, 2021, 06:34:37 PM
Post by: Uknowthescore on April 04, 2021, 06:35:08 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 04, 2021, 06:35:35 PM
Tepid garbage until the subs came on and showed some desire and urgency.
Would like to see 4-4-2 next time if Jack is unavailable.
Too many sub-par performances- well done Ramsey, Davis and Trez.
Konsa, Martinez and Targett did well too.
Thought McGinn and Cash did ok.
Post by: KevinGage on April 04, 2021, 06:35:36 PM
They took Everton apart recently at Goodison and if we turned up as we did against Newcastle and Spurs it wouldn't have been too pretty.
And it wasn't, for the most part. Fulham didn't look great either. But we had all the zip and pizzazz of a bunch of asthmatic Ashley Westwoods until the super subs came on. We'd barely laid a glove on them until that point.
Glad to see the record for not winning from a losing position has now finally bit the dust.
Feel a bit miffed that this helps Newcastle, mind. But you can't have everything.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2021, 06:37:57 PM
Post by: Virgil Caine on April 04, 2021, 06:38:07 PM
Post by: usav on April 04, 2021, 06:38:40 PM
Post by: Skerra on April 04, 2021, 06:38:57 PM
Post by: Proposition Joe on April 04, 2021, 06:39:11 PM
There is an argument for the 11 that finished the game starting vs Liverpool if Jack isn't fit.
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 04, 2021, 06:39:40 PM
Post by: Daley’s dreads on April 04, 2021, 06:40:54 PM
Well done to Mings for showing great character and thought McGinn looked better further forward.
Luiz - nothing player for me. Not sure exactly what he does. Very overrated for me among Villa fans,
Post by: Deano's Mullet on April 04, 2021, 06:41:10 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2021, 06:41:57 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 04, 2021, 06:44:52 PM
Post by: robbo1874 on April 04, 2021, 06:45:19 PM
78 minutes of utter wank.that’s what Davis does and he’s pretty good at it. Couldn’t hit a cows arse with a banjo, but Watkins was crying out for help and Davis obliged.
Brilliant cameo from Davis, holding the ball up, roughing up their back line.
Hopefully a huge mentality boost turning a defeat into victory for the first time in over 15 months.
Post by: not3bad on April 04, 2021, 06:46:13 PM
Back from the dead on Easter Sunday !
Ha!
Post by: dave shelley on April 04, 2021, 06:47:10 PM
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on April 04, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 04, 2021, 06:49:15 PM
No fight in midfield, no attacking intent or presence up front... it’s not rocket science. Stumbles on the formation/eleven we’ve been calling for and we suddenly look threatening!
Davis is never going to be potent in front of goal, but with our lack of options up front he certainly offers a little extra muscle to take the heat off Ollie.
Good result today considering our upcoming fixtures. Hopefully we can push on and not just settle for safety. The proof in the pudding will be whether Smith learns from this or reverts to type next game (dependant on whether Grealish is back)?
Summary - Garbage since Jack has been out, but excellent for last 15mins before he returns (hopefully!)
Post by: Skerra on April 04, 2021, 06:49:27 PM
Post by: rougegorge on April 04, 2021, 06:49:48 PM
That turnaround hopefully shows Dean that flexibility of approach is needed.Yes, at least we went 4 4 2 for a change instead of a 'like for like' swap.
I couldn't have seen that coming after the first 75 minutes. I reckon if there had been a crowd, a significant number may have already left before the equaliser.
Trez isn't always the best but a goal does wonders for confidence!
At least Mings atoned for his error although I don't reckon he was picking out Trez.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 04, 2021, 06:50:21 PM
Give him the ball and expect him to create something then Trezeguet struggles, but he does have a knack of getting on the end of things created by others. Keinan Davis is either terrible or a real handful during his brief cameos and it was the latter today thankfully. Thought Ramsey also brought a bit of energy into the midfield when he came on as well.
Post by: Nev on April 04, 2021, 06:51:31 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on April 04, 2021, 06:51:53 PM
Post by: Diablo on April 04, 2021, 06:52:36 PM
Post by: gpbarr on April 04, 2021, 06:52:44 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on April 04, 2021, 06:52:57 PM
Well done Trez and Keinan for turning the game around.
Post by: Diablo on April 04, 2021, 06:53:38 PM
Brilliant!Back from the dead on Easter Sunday !
Ha!
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 04, 2021, 06:55:22 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2021, 06:58:28 PM
once we upped the tempo and got aggressive it wasn't a difficult game
Totally agree. Physicality helped us to win that game. Davis and Ramsey pushed and pressed. Take note Mr Lange and ready yourself to address that issue in the summer please. We need to be more aggressive and physical.
Post by: Des Little on April 04, 2021, 06:59:23 PM
Post by: Marton on April 04, 2021, 06:59:39 PM
But then again the same shit happens when Ross try it....and Sanson at least try to win it back when he loses the ball.
Post by: ktvillan on April 04, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2021, 07:02:21 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on April 04, 2021, 07:03:29 PM
First half was dreadful. Almost sent me to sleep.
Post by: Allan C on April 04, 2021, 07:04:07 PM
A victory but let’s be honest the goals papered over the cracks. No way are we good enough for Europe without major signings this summer.I agree and that’s the point. If we get there (or if we don’t) we’re gonna be busy in the summer to go to that next step. The midfield will need quality and added quality up front. We will improve
Post by: clash city rocker on April 04, 2021, 07:06:22 PM
Post by: ktvillan on April 04, 2021, 07:08:27 PM
Sanson needs this season to settle in and get up to pace. Haven't seen a great deal from him as yet but he will get fitter and quicker thinking as time goes on.
Yes there were a few signed for last season who weren't quite at it but have showed improvement after a season. He's looked meh so far but I won't be writing him off just yet.
Post by: KevinGage on April 04, 2021, 07:09:58 PM
We know the shortcomings re his goal output, so - if we are in the market for a forward again this summer - it needs to be for someone like that who is also capable of chipping in with goals at this level.
Post by: Clampy on April 04, 2021, 07:10:29 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 04, 2021, 07:12:32 PM
4 of our remaining 9 games are against teams seperating us from 5th.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on April 04, 2021, 07:13:26 PM
Post by: Bad English on April 04, 2021, 07:13:44 PM
Great stuff! I'm sure Dean and the squad will build on this with the next game in mind.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 04, 2021, 07:16:09 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 07:17:07 PM
Very poor. The midfield needs a rethink over the next few days.
Did your Easter egg melt or something ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 04, 2021, 07:17:43 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 04, 2021, 07:18:59 PM
Chuffed with the win.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 04, 2021, 07:19:25 PM
Who knows, until Smith starts telling us the truth, it may be the last we’ve seen of Jack in a Villa shirt.
What's the truth ?
Post by: TopDeck113 on April 04, 2021, 07:19:43 PM
We have seven free hits left this season. We should try playing with the brakes off a bit, and not just when we’re looking down the barrel. Give teams something to worry about.
Agreed. Let's get some sparkle back into our attacking play. If we can score at least another twelve to fifteen goals and garner a similar number of points, then overall it'll have been a very decent season.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 04, 2021, 07:20:22 PM
Very poor. The midfield needs a rethink over the next few days.
Did your Easter egg melt or something ?
I just thought we looked very poor this afternoon. Trez and Davis turned the game around for the last 15 minutes obviously but in general good 3 points, poor performance. Get well soon Jack.
Post by: Ian. on April 04, 2021, 07:22:12 PM
He’s signed for Arsenal, didn’t you know? We have to protect him so we still collect our fee.Who knows, until Smith starts telling us the truth, it may be the last we’ve seen of Jack in a Villa shirt.
What's the truth ?
Post by: Mister E on April 04, 2021, 07:23:29 PM
When without it, AEG and Traore make us look like a 9-man team.
I'm not a fan of playing wingers in the modern game, and would prefer a 4-4-2 or 3-5-2.
Trez is so much better when he does not have time to think!!
Cash and McGinn played well, although meatball faded in the middle 30 minutes.
Mings really ain't as good as he thinks he is.
Great result - much needed for all.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 04, 2021, 07:23:36 PM
Very poor. The midfield needs a rethink over the next few days.
Did your Easter egg melt or something ?
I just thought we looked very poor this afternoon. Trez and Davis turned the game around for the last 15 minutes obviously but in general good 3 points, poor performance. Get well soon Jack.
Yep going through the motions until the subs , they brought energy, Doug is not performing as well as he can and Sanson is finding his feet
Post by: Ian. on April 04, 2021, 07:23:56 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 04, 2021, 07:27:29 PM
Ramsey looked very good when he came on, good tempo and passed it well, looked well up for it.
Yes he looked strong
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 07:29:07 PM
Great result Villa, get back soon please Jack.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 04, 2021, 07:31:59 PM
Sat outside with a G&T.
It's great being safe, a bit shit and the sun shining.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 07:33:44 PM
Went with my head, not heart today..
Sat outside with a G&T.
It's great being safe, a bit shit and the sun shining.
Is the correct answer.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 04, 2021, 07:34:45 PM
An unfortunate gift of a goal for them. We looked incapable of creating anything, but the subs made the difference today. Good goals and crosses for the goals. Jack absent again is worrying (I haven't yet caught up on the reason why).
Very happy with the comeback and 3 points. Well done Dean and the Villa boys that finished the game. UTV!
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 04, 2021, 07:39:32 PM
Trezeguet did exceptionally well with 2 great finishes and could have had another 2 goals .
And KD was boisterous in his play a real string display and super assist.
Traroe best piece of business was the set up for Ollie who so pleased he scored .
Mings was absolutely brilliant as Captain and character to make amends for his shocking casual error.
Still buzzing for the 3 points and great to get that victory and at one point was wondering do we even get a shot at goal but as Watkins said the subs won us the game and great credit there .
Well played Deano on the subs. Made at right stage to freshen things as the performance before then was pretty poor and lacking much thirst for goal
Lovely !
Post by: Mellin on April 04, 2021, 07:39:44 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 07:41:19 PM
For context, we now have 9 more points than last season with 9 games remaining.
Very well put. A reminder of how far we have come.
Post by: Legion on April 04, 2021, 07:46:47 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 04, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 04, 2021, 07:49:44 PM
I'm so happy with the three points good use of the substitutions.
Perfect summary Darren.
Post by: SaddVillan on April 04, 2021, 07:51:21 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 07:52:54 PM
44 points after 29 games - 18 more than at the same stage last season - and still we get complaints.
The same people that complain win round the world trips yet still ask for somewhere else to go.
Post by: Skerra on April 04, 2021, 07:56:07 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 04, 2021, 07:57:03 PM
No Grealish, won.
No Grealish three goals.
Substitutions changed the game.
Davis, brilliant I thought.
Good finishing and energy from Trez.
Looking up again. Top half.
Downsides,
Midfield.
Creativity (lack of).
Error from Mings.
Post by: wolfman999 on April 04, 2021, 08:00:49 PM
Who knows, until Smith starts telling us the truth, it may be the last we’ve seen of Jack in a Villa shirt.
What's the truth ?
Truth? You can't handle the truth!
Post by: Luffbralion on April 04, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
The fact that Ross B was not called from the bench when we were crying out for creativity tells me his days at Villa are numbered.
The coaching staff (especially Terry) need to help Mings cut out the costly errors and I'd like someone to get Traore to eliminate the suicidal cross field balls. (He did very well for the third goal mind).
The midfield again looked disjointed (what has happened to Luiz?) although I preferrred seeing John McGinn further up the field.
Anyway, had you told me last summer we would be comfortably sitting ninth at this stage of the season I would have told you to lie down with a damp cloth on your forehead. Utv
Post by: andyh on April 04, 2021, 08:01:49 PM
That last 20 minutes showed the point of Keinan Davis.Totally agree.
It’s unfair to give him 5 mins here, 3 minutes there and expect an impact.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2021, 08:04:07 PM
That last 20 minutes showed the point of Keinan Davis.Totally agree.
It’s unfair to give him 5 mins here, 3 minutes there and expect an impact.
And in all those cameos, how many times has he played with another striker?
Post by: ktvillan on April 04, 2021, 08:07:10 PM
Had a row with Smith
Some kind of illness
Drunk
Drugs
Broke Covid rules again
Criminal act
On his way oot
Abducted by aliens
Just wants to sing
Should we open a book?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2021, 08:07:51 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 08:08:21 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 04, 2021, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 04, 2021, 08:11:31 PM
44 points after 29 games - 18 more than at the same stage last season - and still we get complaints.
The same people that complain win round the world trips yet still ask for somewhere else to go.
Sadly some people just need to be told where to go.
Post by: ktvillan on April 04, 2021, 08:12:08 PM
Or maybe he's injured.yep
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 08:13:38 PM
44 points after 29 games - 18 more than at the same stage last season - and still we get complaints.
The same people that complain with round the world trips yet still ask for somewhere else to go.
Sadly some people just need to be told where to go.
Post by: TopDeck113 on April 04, 2021, 08:20:51 PM
I now feel even older.
Post by: Ads on April 04, 2021, 08:22:45 PM
Very passive and slow for a good 70 minutes. Typified by Luiz looking way off the pace and Sanson under cooked.
The widemen offered nothing in this phase, El Ghazi in particular was utterly anonymous.
Really poor goal to give away too.
Positives
Smith changing shape and finding a reaction.
Davis linked well and was a physical nuisance. Trezeguet injected some urgency, as did Ramsey. I loved him showing Reid over.
The last 15 was night and day. Trezeguet could have had 4! Yes Fulham had retreated, but still, we had been that insipid attack wise, they probably thought it wouldn't make a difference.
Much needed win. We now have more points in the topflight than at any other stage in the past ten years, when we ended with 48. We'll surpass that.
Post by: KevinGage on April 04, 2021, 08:32:37 PM
Olbiyun at home should be a win, but this being Villa etc.
Palace away looks eminently winnable as well. Until you factor in it's Palace v Villa and we never seem to turn up there.
If we can close out the season with at least 15 wins on the board - 6 more than we managed last season - that has to be seen as massive progress.
Post by: rougegorge on April 04, 2021, 08:32:39 PM
Yes, that's because almost invariably, Smith won't play that way. Today was a very rare occasion, so that's down to the manager.That last 20 minutes showed the point of Keinan Davis.Totally agree.
It’s unfair to give him 5 mins here, 3 minutes there and expect an impact.
And in all those cameos, how many times has he played with another striker?
Post by: Bad English on April 04, 2021, 08:36:23 PM
Wonder how many times Sanson had his passes and crosses being blocked. French league must be really soft. Can't take that much time to aim a pass in PL.The French league is different. We've got two stars on our national strip though. Bises !
But then again the same shit happens when Ross try it....and Sanson at least try to win it back when he loses the ball.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 04, 2021, 08:38:23 PM
So on Grealish - if not injured can only be one of:odds on all of the above? :D
Had a row with Smith
Some kind of illness
Drunk
Drugs
Broke Covid rules again
Criminal act
On his way oot
Abducted by aliens
Just wants to sing
Should we open a book?
Post by: Doughboy21 on April 04, 2021, 08:41:26 PM
Much prefer 4-4-2 without Luiz who is too static and Sanson is too light weight
Post by: Allan C on April 04, 2021, 08:43:13 PM
Somebody on here who claimed to be “in the know” said they’d heard disturbing news about Jack but then we’re going to keep sctum about Ian’s it wasn’t injury related hence question. I agree I think he’s injuredOr maybe he's injured.yep
Post by: nordenvillain on April 04, 2021, 08:49:25 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 04, 2021, 08:51:50 PM
Useless fact - Today's Villa game was the first time that all the starting players from both teams were born after the first Premier League game on 15th August 1992 !
It was depressing enough the first time it was posted on this thread. :)
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 04, 2021, 09:07:04 PM
So on Grealish - if not injured can only be one of:odds on all of the above? :D
Had a row with Smith
Some kind of illness
Drunk
Drugs
Broke Covid rules again
Criminal act
On his way oot
Abducted by aliens
Just wants to sing
Should we open a book?
Didn't see him in the stands today, I think he's been kidnapped by noses.
Post by: clash city rocker on April 04, 2021, 09:13:18 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 09:16:38 PM
At the end of the day we are the fuckin Villa and dont mess with us. The most beautifully named club in the world. 3 points. That's what it is all about. I fuckin love our club....Forever and a day.
Give Wordsworth a run for his money, great stuff CCR!!
Post by: brian green on April 04, 2021, 09:25:14 PM
Up Witton Lane
And down Trinity Road.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 09:29:35 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 09:38:18 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 09:39:42 PM
Post by: Mister E on April 04, 2021, 09:45:07 PM
Only certain types wish their own team to lose.perhaps you should re-read that.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on April 04, 2021, 09:46:19 PM
Sometimes you have to play the long game!Only certain types wish their own team to lose.perhaps you should re-read that.
Post by: robleflaneur on April 04, 2021, 09:46:42 PM
Unlikely to see the 10-0 formation,the all out frontal attack,as that was finally discredited after the Battle of the Somme.
Post by: ktvillan on April 04, 2021, 09:47:08 PM
Shame if didn't finish 0-1.
Cruel but very very funny
Post by: clash city rocker on April 04, 2021, 09:49:29 PM
I wandered lonely as a cloud
Up Witton Lane
And down Trinity Road.
And the villa boys they have showed ,
That they are the lads that make us proud,
We have our good days we have our bad ,
They make us happy they make us sad ,
But when it all comes together,
They make us jump for joy,
Whenever in the north stand;
Or the holte enders in the sky
Post by: CT on April 04, 2021, 09:51:03 PM
Only certain types wish their own team to lose.perhaps you should re-read that.
Haha! Whooooshh!!
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 09:52:23 PM
I wandered lonely as a cloud
Up Witton Lane
And down Trinity Road.
And the villa boys they have showed ,
That they are the lads that make us proud,
We have our good days we have our bad ,
They make us happy they make us sad ,
But when it all comes together,
They make us jump for joy,
Whenever in the north stand;
Or the holte enders in the sky
Thing of beauty CCR.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2021, 10:00:02 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 10:01:15 PM
Post by: brian green on April 04, 2021, 10:01:24 PM
Post by: Londonfranky on April 04, 2021, 10:03:16 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 10:05:55 PM
Post by: brian green on April 04, 2021, 10:08:51 PM
Post by: LukeJames on April 04, 2021, 10:12:14 PM
This Fulham fan had great expectations thanks to Tyrone Mings, and then all went pear shaped like it has for most of the season, but hey ho were still only 3 points behind, Mitrovic scoring might be a plus for even though it was a gift, it all right having a sound defence, even that has gone belly up in last couple of games, our problem this season is that we’ve been toothless for most of the season, hopefully we’ll look to your exploits of last season, I just hope we’re still in with a chance of staying up with 3 or 4 to go, here hoping we’re playing you again next season.
Uf you take it to the last game I have no doubt you will stay up. I hope you do tbf.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2021, 10:12:33 PM
This Fulham fan had great expectations thanks to Tyrone Mings, and then all went pear shaped like it has for most of the season, but hey ho were still only 3 points behind, Mitrovic scoring might be a plus for even though it was a gift, it all right having a sound defence, even that has gone belly up in last couple of games, our problem this season is that we’ve been toothless for most of the season, hopefully we’ll look to your exploits of last season, I just hope we’re still in with a chance of staying up with 3 or 4 to go, here hoping we’re playing you again next season.you were the better team until after you scored, if I was a Fulham fan I would be dissatisfied with the way you played after you scored, it looked like you were trying to win 1 nil. All the best for the rest of the season mate.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 04, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
Good luck for the rest of the season, Franky.
Seconded. Still think it will come down to the last game of the season and if you need to borrow a "Sob on the Tyne" banner...
Post by: tomd2103 on April 04, 2021, 10:17:30 PM
Good luck for the rest of the season, Franky.
Just don't make any banners poking fun at Newcastle if you send them down on the last day. They get a bit touchy about that.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 04, 2021, 10:18:07 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 04, 2021, 10:21:40 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 04, 2021, 10:23:12 PM
Shame it didn't finish 0-1.<<like>>
Post by: john2710 on April 04, 2021, 10:25:34 PM
Trez made all the difference; along with Ramsey who I was particularly impressed with. All three subs added some energy & urgency into our forward play.
Luis looks to have run out of steam & I see no risk of Citeh buying him back. I'm willing to cut him some slack based on his age & earlier form.
El Ghazi must have used up all of his opportunities this time. Another invisible & gutless performance.
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 10:31:23 PM
A performance for the first 70mins that was all too familiar since the New Year.
Trez made all the difference; along with Ramsey who I was particularly impressed with. All three subs added some energy & urgency into our forward play.
Luis looks to have run out of steam & I see no risk of Citeh buying him back. I'm willing to cut him some slack based on his age & earlier form.
El Ghazi must have used up all of his opportunities this time. Another invisible & gutless performance.
Superb analysis.
Post by: remy on April 04, 2021, 10:43:41 PM
Great family build up that also Jack would be back. Buzzing before the game.
Team sheet announced and no Jack.....cue Twitter meltdown according to the kids.
Try to stay positive but a complete abject performance for 70mins and sorry but frustration getting the better of me I took my eyes off the game after 65mins and had it on in the background while I read the news.
Few minutes later I sit up and we equalise. Great!!! I can live with a 1-1.
Hey ho a couple more slam in and I’m jumping round the room.
What a brilliant turnaround!!!
Well done lads, fantastic result.
Our 2 central midfielders were substituted so I can’t see them starting together again this season. Cash injected some direct running and crosses into the box. During the first 65mins I was thinking is it worth him even being pushed forward as right midfielder.
Why can’t Louie Barry start alongside Ollie? That would have generated some excitement and tempered the Jack loss.
Great subs by Dean and well taken goals by Trez. El ghazi looked lost and Mings made up for his poor mistake.
We won 3-1 and it feels great!!!!
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 04, 2021, 10:56:56 PM
Post by: robbo1874 on April 05, 2021, 12:51:18 AM
Ramsey was the difference, more energy, give and go passing and pestering them in possessionI like the look of Ramsey and thought he should have started. Yes, he’s a young player finding his feet a bit still, but he does look assured and like he belongs at this level. He gives a bit of drive and energy and doesn’t make many mistakes. Rarely gives the ball away and always looks to get involved. I think he will eventually play himself into a starting place unless we go mad with the chequebook in the summer.
Much prefer 4-4-2 without Luiz who is too static and Sanson is too light weight
Post by: Matt C on April 05, 2021, 03:24:57 AM
Three subs and they all made a big impact. Great finishing from Trez, some energy from Ramsey and Davis made a nuisance of himself - Watkins looked delighted to have the company at last.
Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 05, 2021, 04:32:21 AM
A draw really isn't any good to us next week. Would like to see KD keep his place alongside Ollie, and go for it.
Completely agree with this.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2021, 04:36:32 AM
Ramsey was the difference, more energy, give and go passing and pestering them in possessionI like the look of Ramsey and thought he should have started. Yes, he’s a young player finding his feet a bit still, but he does look assured and like he belongs at this level. He gives a bit of drive and energy and doesn’t make many mistakes. Rarely gives the ball away and always looks to get involved. I think he will eventually play himself into a starting place unless we go mad with the chequebook in the summer.
Much prefer 4-4-2 without Luiz who is too static and Sanson is too light weight
I might be wrong, indeed I often am, but surely only Burnley play 442 nowadays?
Post by: robbo1874 on April 05, 2021, 07:21:42 AM
Post by: thick_mike on April 05, 2021, 07:48:34 AM
In what can only be described as a ‘huff’ I temporarily stopped watching with 15 to go so you’re all very welcome.
I had a similar flounce, came dashing back from the shed when I heard the first goal go in on the radio.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on April 05, 2021, 07:58:06 AM
Ramsey was the difference, more energy, give and go passing and pestering them in possessionI like the look of Ramsey and thought he should have started. Yes, he’s a young player finding his feet a bit still, but he does look assured and like he belongs at this level. He gives a bit of drive and energy and doesn’t make many mistakes. Rarely gives the ball away and always looks to get involved. I think he will eventually play himself into a starting place unless we go mad with the chequebook in the summer.
Much prefer 4-4-2 without Luiz who is too static and Sanson is too light weight
I might be wrong, indeed I often am, but surely only Burnley play 442 nowadays?
Very rarely had Dyche not played 442. Not sure I’d trust our wide players to defend more in a 442.
Post by: brontebilly on April 05, 2021, 09:11:33 AM
Martinez 6, Cash 7, Konsa 7, Mings 5, Targett 7, Luiz 4 (Ramsey 8), Sanson 4 (Davis 8), McGinn 7, Traore 4, Watkins 5, AEG 2 (Trez 9).
Post by: lovejoy on April 05, 2021, 09:28:30 AM
Post by: Mister E on April 05, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
Very rarely had Dyche not played 442. Not sure I’d trust our wide players to defend more in a 442.Depends who your 'wide players' are. Certainly not Traore and AEG. Probably Sanson and Trez, with JG and McGinn inside them.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 09:50:31 AM
Traore 4
Don't talk shite.
Post by: kipeye on April 05, 2021, 09:54:42 AM
Also must add that I thought Trez got better and better early on before he was injured. He really puts a shift in now. Any of the players some are calling poor are capable of improving further. NONE of them are 'shit' in the way our squad players were before.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 05, 2021, 09:56:28 AM
I don’t think Smith will change his shape without Jack but don’t necessarily think he has to. Davis may or may not make it long term, almost definitely needs to go on loan next season, but whilst Jacks out, stick him up there and play Ollie out wide. He absolutely cannot do any worse than El Ghazi out there, his mini spurt of form over Xmas seems a long time ago, and he really doesn’t bring anything to the table on too many games.
I said last week that Trez shouldn’t start for us again, so egg on my face to an extent. The problem for me is that Smith will probs start him next week now, and I still, despite great instinctive goals yesterday, don’t think he’s good enough and I would have him as an impact sub only.
Dougie has ran out of steam this season and Sanson finding his feet. Problem is when we’ve started Ramsey, he hasn’t had an impact on the game. If Dougie needs a rest it’ll have to be Nakamba coming in for a few games for me, until we hopefully improve in that area in the summer and have proper competition/support for Dougie.
McGinn tired but looks better further forward.
thought Smith looked coy when questioned about Grealish after the game. Hope I’m wrong, but his comments, although on the face of it benign, said to me Jack won’t be back next week.
Finally, a win does wonders hey! If we get another three wins and and a draw this season, ending the season on mid 50s points wise would be very positive and a great platform for next year
Post by: Ads on April 05, 2021, 09:58:31 AM
It was completely absent in any of our play previously in the game. It was aided by Fulham surrendering territory and possession, but nonetheless, it was pleasing to see.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 10:14:23 AM
All 3 subs had urgency. That changed the speed st which we moved the ball, moved Targett up to support and pressed as a front unit.
It was completely absent in any of our play previously in the game. It was aided by Fulham surrendering territory and possession, but nonetheless, it was pleasing to see.
It's been almost completely absent for weeks now, but hopefully it's a corner turned. However, Liverpool and City up next, so can't see much from either of those.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 10:15:42 AM
Post by: OzVilla on April 05, 2021, 10:20:55 AM
Post by: olaftab on April 05, 2021, 10:27:38 AM
The team which played yesterday would have a relegation fight next season.I can’t see Fulham will have a relegation fight in the Championship next season.
Post by: Gareth on April 05, 2021, 10:31:12 AM
So on Grealish - if not injured can only be one of:
Had a row with Smith
Some kind of illness
Drunk
Drugs
Broke Covid rules again
Criminal act
On his way oot
Abducted by aliens
Just wants to sing
Should we open a book?
You should do it because as they say fools and their money are easily parted :-) could be a money spinner
I’ll have a pound on the boring reason - he was injured, there was a reaction & he wasn’t risked...but I won’t go more than a pound because Dean didn’t phone me personally to tell me.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2021, 10:31:15 AM
After they beat us in the play-off final I'll never forget Cairney saying something along the lines of, "this isn't just a victory for Fulham. It's a victory for football."
I happen to think that, objectively, he was 100% correct about that, but there was no need to say it out loud at that moment, the serially relegated prick.
Post by: Zia of Rivia on April 05, 2021, 10:43:06 AM
Whilst I'd still massively prefer Fulham to survive ahead of Newcastle (the ground, the nice fans, Steve Bruce, Mike Ashley, the confected 'rivalry etc), I won't shed a tear for them if they go.
After they beat us in the play-off final I'll never forget Cairney saying something along the lines of, "this isn't just a victory for Fulham. It's a victory for football."
I happen to think that, objectively, he was 100% correct about that, but there was no need to say it out loud at that moment, the serially relegated prick.
Haha. I was fuming when he said that, too.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 05, 2021, 10:44:46 AM
Whilst I'd still massively prefer Fulham to survive ahead of Newcastle (the ground, the nice fans, Steve Bruce, Mike Ashley, the confected 'rivalry etc), I won't shed a tear for them if they go.
After they beat us in the play-off final I'll never forget Cairney saying something along the lines of, "this isn't just a victory for Fulham. It's a victory for football."
I happen to think that, objectively, he was 100% correct about that, but there was no need to say it out loud at that moment, the serially relegated prick.
I know it has been said before, but in the long run it was better that we did not go up .
Dr T and premiership £££😳😳
Post by: LukeJames on April 05, 2021, 10:48:07 AM
After they beat us in the play-off final I'll never forget Cairney saying something along the lines of, "this isn't just a victory for Fulham. It's a victory for football."
It was certainly a victory for us.
Post by: Damo70 on April 05, 2021, 11:00:59 AM
So on Grealish - if not injured can only be one of:
Had a row with Smith
Some kind of illness
Drunk
Drugs
Broke Covid rules again
Criminal act
On his way oot
Abducted by aliens
Just wants to sing
Should we open a book?
You should do it because as they say fools and their money are easily parted :-) could be a money spinner
I’ll have a pound on the boring reason - he was injured, there was a reaction & he wasn’t risked...but I won’t go more than a pound because Dean didn’t phone me personally to tell me.
If it was anything illegal it would come out in the media. I suspect it has been an injury that they originally played down but which has dragged on longer than they originally expected.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 11:14:05 AM
Whilst I'd still massively prefer Fulham to survive ahead of Newcastle (the ground, the nice fans, Steve Bruce, Mike Ashley, the confected 'rivalry etc), I won't shed a tear for them if they go.
After they beat us in the play-off final I'll never forget Cairney saying something along the lines of, "this isn't just a victory for Fulham. It's a victory for football."
I happen to think that, objectively, he was 100% correct about that, but there was no need to say it out loud at that moment, the serially relegated prick.
A victory for football. In a game in which they should have had a player sent off for stamping on a fellow pro.
Post by: algy on April 05, 2021, 11:18:24 AM
As pleasing the contributions of both Trez and Davis were yesterday, neither are good enough for us to progress.I'd disagree on both counts, with caveats. Davis needs to start a few games. He offers something different. However, he is starting to enter make-or-break territory now. The next 12 months will be massive for him.
I like Trez and think he's still got a role to play next season. That said, I think either him or AEG will need to move on in the summer, whilst we can still recoup what we've paid for them. For me, I'd keep Trez and flog AEG but I'd not be massively fussed if it was the other way round.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 11:19:45 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on April 05, 2021, 11:40:47 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2021, 11:41:06 AM
Post by: Hairbandinho on April 05, 2021, 11:48:10 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 05, 2021, 11:51:19 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 11:53:03 AM
Well it was more of a Bruceball jibe, I guess and Newcastle fans would also likely agree.
Even so, no need for it whatsoever. Be gracious in defeat and classy in victory.
Post by: john2710 on April 05, 2021, 12:28:04 PM
In the long run we’re better off, having lost that game. Another 12 months of DrX may well have put us out of business.
Post by: andyh on April 05, 2021, 12:53:07 PM
Admittedly he spent a lot of it on his arse, but when he was on his feet he was actually a threat.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 05, 2021, 12:59:18 PM
I rewatched the last 15 mins and was surprised at how good Traore was for that last period.He kept going , trying to make something happen.
Admittedly he spent a lot of it on his arse, but when he was on his feet he was actually a threat.
Post by: Villa Lew on April 05, 2021, 01:12:21 PM
According to the BBC website this was the first game in Premier League history in which every player in the starting line-ups for both sides was born after the first-ever Premier League game, played on 15 August, 1992.
I now feel even older.
I felt when the Premier League started! Good stat
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 05, 2021, 01:23:31 PM
I don't remember that quote, bit of a twatty thing to say. You could understand if it was some bitter rivalry, but Villa vs Fulham?
Not helped in the weeks leading up to the play off final Fulham not being able to sell tickets, then anyone could buy 4, then the clappers. We rightfully took the piss & it kind of blew up in our faces but we'll have the last laugh I'm sure.
Post by: The Edge on April 05, 2021, 01:25:31 PM
I don't remember that quote, bit of a twatty thing to say. You could understand if it was some bitter rivalry, but Villa vs Fulham?I think it was a reference to us having spent more than any other club in championship history. But claiming a moral victory for football in a game where their player got away scot free with GBH on Grealish is a bit rich. He can go fuck himself the serially relegated prick.*
*insult stolen from Sexual Ealing cos I thought it was perfect😁
Post by: villa for life on April 05, 2021, 01:53:26 PM
Imagine yesterday if the fans had been there, with all the tension in the stadium, I don’t think we would have turned that game around. We may even have fallen further behind..
Post by: dave shelley on April 05, 2021, 02:10:41 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 05, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
I think the whole fans in stadium issue needs to be discussed and how it has positively (I believe) or negatively affected our results.
Imagine yesterday if the fans had been there, with all the tension in the stadium, I don’t think we would have turned that game around. We may even have fallen further behind..
If it is affecting us positively, I'd have hoped we'd have won more than six so far as a result.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 05, 2021, 02:21:49 PM
You also seem to have arbitrarily decided that the crowd would have totally altered the final fifteen minutes but would have had no impact on the first 75.
We don't really know what impact the lack of crowds has had, but I see no reason to assume that Villa would have suffered more or less than anyone else.
Post by: Allan C on April 05, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
I don’t know what to say about Davis. While he looked good when he came on, I can’t see him being given a run in the team and therefore not able to develop. For me though, Trez and definitely AEG have reached their limit and if we want to progress then both will need replacing. At the outside Trez is a squad player despite yesterdays goalsAs pleasing the contributions of both Trez and Davis were yesterday, neither are good enough for us to progress.I'd disagree on both counts, with caveats. Davis needs to start a few games. He offers something different. However, he is starting to enter make-or-break territory now. The next 12 months will be massive for him.
I like Trez and think he's still got a role to play next season. That said, I think either him or AEG will need to move on in the summer, whilst we can still recoup what we've paid for them. For me, I'd keep Trez and flog AEG but I'd not be massively fussed if it was the other way round.
Post by: fredm on April 05, 2021, 02:32:11 PM
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 02:40:54 PM
Trez is a good player to have coming off the bench, especially against the lower placed teams. His enthusiasm and energy gives us the boost required and takes advantage of a tiring opposition. Don't think this is so advantageous if he starts the game.
Have there been any other games it's worked in this season, before yesterday?
Post by: usav on April 05, 2021, 02:45:42 PM
Trez is a good player to have coming off the bench, especially against the lower placed teams. His enthusiasm and energy gives us the boost required and takes advantage of a tiring opposition. Don't think this is so advantageous if he starts the game.
Have there been any other games it's worked in this season, before yesterday?
It wasn't just the fact he came off the bench and a miracle happened, as I said earlier in the thread, it was the change to 4-4-2 with the introduction of all 3 subs that changed the game. We are way better suited to 4-4-2 when Jack is not in the side, it's the only way to get width and create chances.
Post by: olaftab on April 05, 2021, 03:14:30 PM
Hopefully yesterday's result will act as a fillip to the rest of the squad and enforce a belief in themselves that they can win without Jack Grealish.Yes having Lateon Fillip should help us when Jack’s not around.
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2021, 07:52:58 PM
Post by: Hockley Lion on April 05, 2021, 08:44:14 PM
Useless fact - Today's Villa game was the first time that all the starting players from both teams were born after the first Premier League game on 15th August 1992 !
Utterly, utterly, useless fact. Anyone would think that organised football didn't begin until the antichrist Premier League was born. Every stat, like this one, is related to Premier League history these days. It's like Cambodia starting at year 1 during the reign of Pol Pot ( if anyone's old enough to remember that ?) They'd like us to forget that there's over a hundred years of football history before the PL, with many glorious games and great clubs, non of whom are included in their "Big Six". They go round with their little eraser rubbing out history and replacing it with their own meaningless drivel.
I feel better for that 😁
Post by: KevinGage on April 05, 2021, 09:20:56 PM
In fact, I don't think we created a chance during that period until Trez gobbled up a half chance at best to equalize.
Against better sides than Fulham 4-4-2 - especially from the start - won't work. But we do need to be flexible to switch it up.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 05, 2021, 10:46:05 PM
Useless fact - Today's Villa game was the first time that all the starting players from both teams were born after the first Premier League game on 15th August 1992 !
Utterly, utterly, useless fact. Anyone would think that organised football didn't begin until the antichrist Premier League was born. Every stat, like this one, is related to Premier League history these days. It's like Cambodia starting at year 1 during the reign of Pol Pot ( if anyone's old enough to remember that ?) They'd like us to forget that there's over a hundred years of football history before the PL, with many glorious games and great clubs, non of whom are included in their "Big Six". They go round with their little eraser rubbing out history and replacing it with their own meaningless drivel.
I feel better for that 😁
I feel better for reading it, never truer words spoken!!
Post by: Taylor on April 06, 2021, 07:33:26 AM
It's important we got that first one when we did (no shit) because they were looking confident and pinging the ball about with more ease when we went to four in the middle.I think both Trez and Ollie had chances, but missed their headers
In fact, I don't think we created a chance during that period until Trez gobbled up a half chance at best to equalize.
Against better sides than Fulham 4-4-2 - especially from the start - won't work. But we do need to be flexible to switch it up.
Post by: sid1964 on April 06, 2021, 08:21:21 AM
Trez will start against Liverpool not do a lot and then be replaced by El Ghazi (who will do okay) and then he will start the next game - neither of these players are consistent in their performances and they both should be gone in the summer, IF we can find a buyer?
Keinan did okay with his 4 touches of the ball but again once Wes is fit he will be gone.
Post by: olaftab on April 06, 2021, 08:30:08 AM
And it worked because teams in relegation more are prone to capitulating. We know we were there.Trez is a good player to have coming off the bench, especially against the lower placed teams. His enthusiasm and energy gives us the boost required and takes advantage of a tiring opposition. Don't think this is so advantageous if he starts the game.
Have there been any other games it's worked in this season, before yesterday?
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2021, 09:41:24 AM
Good stuff Hockley.Useless fact - Today's Villa game was the first time that all the starting players from both teams were born after the first Premier League game on 15th August 1992 !
Utterly, utterly, useless fact. Anyone would think that organised football didn't begin until the antichrist Premier League was born. Every stat, like this one, is related to Premier League history these days. It's like Cambodia starting at year 1 during the reign of Pol Pot ( if anyone's old enough to remember that ?) They'd like us to forget that there's over a hundred years of football history before the PL, with many glorious games and great clubs, non of whom are included in their "Big Six". They go round with their little eraser rubbing out history and replacing it with their own meaningless drivel.
I feel better for that 😁
I feel better for reading it, never truer words spoken!!
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 06, 2021, 09:44:25 AM
Good stuff Hockley.Useless fact - Today's Villa game was the first time that all the starting players from both teams were born after the first Premier League game on 15th August 1992 !
Utterly, utterly, useless fact. Anyone would think that organised football didn't begin until the antichrist Premier League was born. Every stat, like this one, is related to Premier League history these days. It's like Cambodia starting at year 1 during the reign of Pol Pot ( if anyone's old enough to remember that ?) They'd like us to forget that there's over a hundred years of football history before the PL, with many glorious games and great clubs, non of whom are included in their "Big Six". They go round with their little eraser rubbing out history and replacing it with their own meaningless drivel.
I feel better for that 😁
I feel better for reading it, never truer words spoken!!
Amen
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 06, 2021, 10:23:41 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 06, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
Post by: The Edge on April 06, 2021, 10:54:14 AM
Well we have only come from behind to win one league game, so I doubt having the crowd in the stadium would have made things much worse in that respect. We managed to overturn deficits in vital games against Brighton and Watford last season when the crowd was there and we had a far inferior team to now.Precisely. I don't understand why anyone thinks a packed Villa Park would have an adverse effect on the result? The crowd gets edgy when were losing but so does the crowd in any other ground. I don't think you can say that the crowd can cause us to lose a game but a packed Villa Park can help us to win a tight game as we have witnessed many times. I wish that would happen more often though.
You also seem to have arbitrarily decided that the crowd would have totally altered the final fifteen minutes but would have had no impact on the first 75.
We don't really know what impact the lack of crowds has had, but I see no reason to assume that Villa would have suffered more or less than anyone else.
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2021, 11:03:58 AM
Well we have only come from behind to win one league game, so I doubt having the crowd in the stadium would have made things much worse in that respect. We managed to overturn deficits in vital games against Brighton and Watford last season when the crowd was there and we had a far inferior team to now.Precisely. I don't understand why anyone thinks a packed Villa Park would have an adverse effect on the result? The crowd gets edgy when were losing but so does the crowd in any other ground. I don't think you can say that the crowd can cause us to lose a game but a packed Villa Park can help us to win a tight game as we have witnessed many times. I wish that would happen more often though.
You also seem to have arbitrarily decided that the crowd would have totally altered the final fifteen minutes but would have had no impact on the first 75.
We don't really know what impact the lack of crowds has had, but I see no reason to assume that Villa would have suffered more or less than anyone else.
Agree with you both. Given the home games we have left it's entirely possible that our home record this year won't be any better than last year's, so if anything the lack of home fans would seem to have had a negative effect on the team.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2021, 11:10:10 AM
Agree, hasn't the home advantage been lost / reduced for many teams this year?Well we have only come from behind to win one league game, so I doubt having the crowd in the stadium would have made things much worse in that respect. We managed to overturn deficits in vital games against Brighton and Watford last season when the crowd was there and we had a far inferior team to now.Precisely. I don't understand why anyone thinks a packed Villa Park would have an adverse effect on the result? The crowd gets edgy when were losing but so does the crowd in any other ground. I don't think you can say that the crowd can cause us to lose a game but a packed Villa Park can help us to win a tight game as we have witnessed many times. I wish that would happen more often though.
You also seem to have arbitrarily decided that the crowd would have totally altered the final fifteen minutes but would have had no impact on the first 75.
We don't really know what impact the lack of crowds has had, but I see no reason to assume that Villa would have suffered more or less than anyone else.
Agree with you both. Given the home games we have left it's entirely possible that our home record this year won't be any better than last year's, so if anything the lack of home fans would seem to have had a negative effect on the team.
Post by: Hockley Lion on April 06, 2021, 11:15:18 AM
Good stuff Hockley.Useless fact - Today's Villa game was the first time that all the starting players from both teams were born after the first Premier League game on 15th August 1992 !
Utterly, utterly, useless fact. Anyone would think that organised football didn't begin until the antichrist Premier League was born. Every stat, like this one, is related to Premier League history these days. It's like Cambodia starting at year 1 during the reign of Pol Pot ( if anyone's old enough to remember that ?) They'd like us to forget that there's over a hundred years of football history before the PL, with many glorious games and great clubs, non of whom are included in their "Big Six". They go round with their little eraser rubbing out history and replacing it with their own meaningless drivel.
I feel better for that 😁
I feel better for reading it, never truer words spoken!!
Amen
Just look at this garbage on the BBC website! Same stat regurgitated. Dendoncker clearly inherited Trez's crown for one night. I don't believe the BBC has the personnel to dig out this kind of garbage ( I certainly hope not ) so they must surely be coming from the PL. Who else would give a shit about such rubbish!
Before his two goals against Fulham, which came just 160 seconds apart, Trezeguet had attempted more shots without scoring than any other player in this season's Premier League (29).
Leander Dendoncker's goal for Wolves was his first in the Premier League this season from his 28th attempt at goal - before this game, he'd had more shots without scoring than any other player this term.
Post by: nordenvillain on April 06, 2021, 11:28:14 AM
I did preface my post by writing useless fact - All of you seemed to have been drawn to the 2 words Premier League. I was drawn to the fact that neither side had a player at just over 28 and a half years old. I would suggest that Villa and Fulham are probably the only 2 PL teams with such an age profile. Most teams have an experienced head or two in their squads and/or such aged players being the only ones they can afford. It also struck me that neither side are likely to be jettisoning players purely because of their age profile and so poor sell-on value.Good stuff Hockley.Useless fact - Today's Villa game was the first time that all the starting players from both teams were born after the first Premier League game on 15th August 1992 !
Utterly, utterly, useless fact. Anyone would think that organised football didn't begin until the antichrist Premier League was born. Every stat, like this one, is related to Premier League history these days. It's like Cambodia starting at year 1 during the reign of Pol Pot ( if anyone's old enough to remember that ?) They'd like us to forget that there's over a hundred years of football history before the PL, with many glorious games and great clubs, non of whom are included in their "Big Six". They go round with their little eraser rubbing out history and replacing it with their own meaningless drivel.
I feel better for that 😁
I feel better for reading it, never truer words spoken!!
Amen
Just look at this garbage on the BBC website! Same stat regurgitated. Dendoncker clearly inherited Trez's crown for one night. I don't believe the BBC has the personnel to dig out this kind of garbage ( I certainly hope not ) so they must surely be coming from the PL. Who else would give a shit about such rubbish!
Before his two goals against Fulham, which came just 160 seconds apart, Trezeguet had attempted more shots without scoring than any other player in this season's Premier League (29).
Leander Dendoncker's goal for Wolves was his first in the Premier League this season from his 28th attempt at goal - before this game, he'd had more shots without scoring than any other player this term.
Post by: paul_e on April 06, 2021, 11:44:06 AM
Agree, hasn't the home advantage been lost / reduced for many teams this year?Well we have only come from behind to win one league game, so I doubt having the crowd in the stadium would have made things much worse in that respect. We managed to overturn deficits in vital games against Brighton and Watford last season when the crowd was there and we had a far inferior team to now.Precisely. I don't understand why anyone thinks a packed Villa Park would have an adverse effect on the result? The crowd gets edgy when were losing but so does the crowd in any other ground. I don't think you can say that the crowd can cause us to lose a game but a packed Villa Park can help us to win a tight game as we have witnessed many times. I wish that would happen more often though.
You also seem to have arbitrarily decided that the crowd would have totally altered the final fifteen minutes but would have had no impact on the first 75.
We don't really know what impact the lack of crowds has had, but I see no reason to assume that Villa would have suffered more or less than anyone else.
Agree with you both. Given the home games we have left it's entirely possible that our home record this year won't be any better than last year's, so if anything the lack of home fans would seem to have had a negative effect on the team.
Almost every club has seen their home form suffer, last season only 1 team had an average of less than 1 point per game (ppg) at home, so far this year there are 4. For us 20 points from 14 this year compared to 24 from 19 last year means we're on course for a slight improvement at home. It's the change in our away form that's making the difference though, it's more than doubled already. Also last season 7 teams had less than 1ppg away, this year it's down to 3.
The concern this raises is that our improvement has been based on away performances in a season where the balance has been skewed. However we have improved home and away, West Ham are the only other team who can say that.
Post by: The Edge on April 06, 2021, 11:47:45 AM
Round of applause for this 👏👏👏Useless fact - Today's Villa game was the first time that all the starting players from both teams were born after the first Premier League game on 15th August 1992 !
Utterly, utterly, useless fact. Anyone would think that organised football didn't begin until the antichrist Premier League was born. Every stat, like this one, is related to Premier League history these days. It's like Cambodia starting at year 1 during the reign of Pol Pot ( if anyone's old enough to remember that ?) They'd like us to forget that there's over a hundred years of football history before the PL, with many glorious games and great clubs, non of whom are included in their "Big Six". They go round with their little eraser rubbing out history and replacing it with their own meaningless drivel.
I feel better for that 😁
Post by: Smithy on April 06, 2021, 11:50:06 AM
I always thought we benefitted from no fans after Project Restart because all of the coaching we were able to do during we were able to implement with clear communication during games, both between players and from the touchline. Again, no evidence beyond gut feeling, but it seemed to me like the players being able to communicate much more easily meant we were much better organised across the pitch.
Post by: paul_e on April 06, 2021, 12:23:52 PM
I'd be interested to see the average points earned per home game vs per away game this season, compared to the average. It does feel like home advantage is less at the moment, but that's more of a gut feeling than based on any analysis.
I always thought we benefitted from no fans after Project Restart because all of the coaching we were able to do during we were able to implement with clear communication during games, both between players and from the touchline. Again, no evidence beyond gut feeling, but it seemed to me like the players being able to communicate much more easily meant we were much better organised across the pitch.
Normally the average is 1.55 - 1.65 at home and 1.10 - 1.20 away.
This season is 1.35 home and 1.41 away.
Post by: The Edge on April 06, 2021, 12:25:38 PM
Thanks Statto 😊I'd be interested to see the average points earned per home game vs per away game this season, compared to the average. It does feel like home advantage is less at the moment, but that's more of a gut feeling than based on any analysis.
I always thought we benefitted from no fans after Project Restart because all of the coaching we were able to do during we were able to implement with clear communication during games, both between players and from the touchline. Again, no evidence beyond gut feeling, but it seemed to me like the players being able to communicate much more easily meant we were much better organised across the pitch.
Normally the average is 1.55 - 1.65 at home and 1.10 - 1.20 away.
This season is 1.35 home and 1.41 away.
Post by: The Edge on April 06, 2021, 12:29:40 PM
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2021, 12:50:16 PM
The concern this raises is that our improvement has been based on away performances in a season where the balance has been skewed. However we have improved home and away, West Ham are the only other team who can say that.
We'd definitely massively improved in our away record. We're on 24 points already after 15 games, compared to a dismal 11 away points for the whole of last season.
Home though, not so much yet. Last season we got 24 points from 19 games. This season we're on 20 from 14 games, so you'd hope we do go on to better it, but with home games left against Man City, Man U and Chelsea I'm not sure we will.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 06, 2021, 12:55:20 PM
Post by: Damo70 on April 06, 2021, 01:19:13 PM
Just beat Man U, for once Villa, FFS. Surely that isn't asking too much? They're not even any good any more.
Manure are guaranteed to get a penalty against us so we will need to score at least two goals to win.
Post by: olaftab on April 06, 2021, 02:00:47 PM
Just beat Man U, for once Villa, FFS. Surely that isn't asking too much? They're not even any good any more.If I can have one wish for the rest of this season it would be that.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 06, 2021, 02:14:29 PM
Post by: LukeJames on April 06, 2021, 02:31:36 PM
Just beat Man U, for once Villa, FFS. Surely that isn't asking too much? They're not even any good any more.
Manure are guaranteed to get a penalty against us so we will need to score at least two goals to win.
Well in our last 2 games they have been given a penalty for fouling our player and fouling themselves, they will get one without a doubt.
Post by: Hockley Lion on April 06, 2021, 02:46:29 PM
I did preface my post by writing useless fact - All of you seemed to have been drawn to the 2 words Premier League. I was drawn to the fact that neither side had a player at just over 28 and a half years old. I would suggest that Villa and Fulham are probably the only 2 PL teams with such an age profile. Most teams have an experienced head or two in their squads and/or such aged players being the only ones they can afford. It also struck me that neither side are likely to be jettisoning players purely because of their age profile and so poor sell-on value.Good stuff Hockley.Useless fact - Today's Villa game was the first time that all the starting players from both teams were born after the first Premier League game on 15th August 1992 !
Utterly, utterly, useless fact. Anyone would think that organised football didn't begin until the antichrist Premier League was born. Every stat, like this one, is related to Premier League history these days. It's like Cambodia starting at year 1 during the reign of Pol Pot ( if anyone's old enough to remember that ?) They'd like us to forget that there's over a hundred years of football history before the PL, with many glorious games and great clubs, non of whom are included in their "Big Six". They go round with their little eraser rubbing out history and replacing it with their own meaningless drivel.
I feel better for that 😁
I feel better for reading it, never truer words spoken!!
Amen
Just look at this garbage on the BBC website! Same stat regurgitated. Dendoncker clearly inherited Trez's crown for one night. I don't believe the BBC has the personnel to dig out this kind of garbage ( I certainly hope not ) so they must surely be coming from the PL. Who else would give a shit about such rubbish!
Before his two goals against Fulham, which came just 160 seconds apart, Trezeguet had attempted more shots without scoring than any other player in this season's Premier League (29).
Leander Dendoncker's goal for Wolves was his first in the Premier League this season from his 28th attempt at goal - before this game, he'd had more shots without scoring than any other player this term.
Hi nordenvillain. There was no criticism of your post intended. I saw the stat on the BBC too and thought so what. I was agreeing with you because I thought you were making a point about useless facts.
Apologies if you thought it was a criticism.
Utv.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2021, 03:17:06 PM
I'd like a double over Liverpool, too, if I'm being greedy 🙂
That's fine, greedy would be asking for another 10 game winning streak from Deano. :)
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 06, 2021, 03:37:06 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 10, 2021, 12:17:39 AM
What a pleasure to be proven totally wrong!
Clinton Morrison not bad on the co-commentary again -he seems to quite like us...