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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2021, 04:41:20 PM
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Leeds United: Illan Meslier, Liam Cooper, Diego Llorente, Pascal Struijk, Luke Ayling, Stuart Dallas, Mateusz Klich, Tyler Roberts, Helder Costa, Raphinha, Patrick Bamford.
Subs: Kiko Casilla, Gjanni Alioski, Pablo Hernandez, Jack Harrison, Leif Davis, Joe Gelhardt, Charlie Cresswell, Jack Jenkins and Niall Huggins.
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Well I never!
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Dross dropped... Fancy us a little more now
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Out and about today so someone can improve the team image. I don’t know about that midfield at all
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Barkley dropped and Ramsey starting. Both good decisions I think.
Starting to have some more positive vibes abut this one now.
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Good. May work may not but at least it shows the boss is the boss.
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Glad to see Ramsey get his chance. Elmo Vs Raphinha makes me nervous, could've done with Trezeguet in front of him with Traore meandering.
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I'm pretty happy with that selection. We've got to try to match Leeds physically and Nakamba and Ramsey will help with that.
Leeds defensively are suspect so over to you Traore, El Ghazi and Watkins.
Come on fellas!
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I dreamt we had a pen in the 10th minute. Mings took it, and missed.
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Well, it'll put an end to the "he always starts the same 11 when fit" arguments! I also like that we've got some genuine quality on the bench to call upon.
Brave to start Ramsey against this lot, but I suspect his youthful energy will come in handy in the middle of the park.
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Glad Barkley dropped, need a shift from AEG to have any chance.
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Better looking starting eleven, even though I'd have brought in Sanson as well.
Leeds will hound us for everything, so also good to think about how much stronger the options off the bench after an hour will be.
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Barkley can't have any complaints being dropped and Luiz has looked like a player who needed resting. It's a brave team selection though, so I hope it doesn't backfire.
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Jacob and Marv will run and harry like dogs, it's the right call.
Toronto Villan switching off to his private life means a ten minute wait for a match thread. Maybe it's the new orange dot...
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Better looking starting eleven, even though I'd have brought in Sanson as well.
Leeds will hound us for everything, so also good to think about how much stronger the options off the bench after an hour will be.
I think you meant 79 minutes.
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Glad to see Ramsey get his chance. Elmo Vs Raphinha makes me nervous, could've done with Trezeguet in front of him with Traore meandering.
I guess Dean sees the goals from Traore and even though he has improved in helping out defensively, he's no Trez.
The same could be said for the other side of the pitch, El Ghazi has scored a few and has been known when not standing on the touchline, to occasionally help out. Plus, it's impossible for El Ghazi to be as poor as his last performance.
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Happy enough with that team selection. Luiz and Barkley can have no complaints. Big chance for Ramsey, thought Sanson would have been the call there but Ramsey brings plenty of mobility. Big show of faith in AEG but I'm glad it's not Trez on left wing.
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It’s the right decision to drop Barkley for me, hopefully stop some of smith and weak management malarkey whatever the result. I would of had had Trez instead of el Ghazi and Sanson for Ramsey, but horses for courses. Just hope we give them a game
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Yep, even though the midfield looks considerably poorer with Nakamba, Ramsey and El Ghazi in it, almost Championship like, it sends a message out and Luiz and Barkley have been very poor for the last 5 or so games.
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Harrison not playing for them - is that good?
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Is this the poorest starting eleven of the season?
Smith is right to make changes; but, it shows what a poor squad we actually have.
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Harrison not playing for them - is that good?
Yes he’s one of their best players and would’ve been up against Elmo.
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We have to start better today ands match their aggression and movement. Leeds will be instructed to run us down, chase everything. If we match that, we can beat them.
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Is this the poorest starting eleven of the season?
Smith is right to make changes; but, it shows what a poor squad we actually have.
Well, some of our better players haven't been at it recently so we have been poorer for them being in the team.
I hope these boys can give it a real go today.
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Harrison not playing for them - is that good?
Yes he’s one of their best players and would’ve been up against Elmo.
He's got a foot like a traction engine (Partridge)/a foot that could open a tin of beans (Gregory).
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Would McGinn on the right and Traore up the middle in the Barkley role work?
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Is this the poorest starting eleven of the season?
Smith is right to make changes; but, it shows what a poor squad we actually have.
Yep, shudder to think what would happen if Watkins picked up an injury
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Win please.
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Happy with Ramsey in, but tough on Sanson, I expect he'll get his usual 10 mins.
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Happy with Ramsey in, but tough on Sanson, I expect he'll get his usual 10 mins.
Yeah, in place of Ramsey!
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Yep, even though the midfield looks considerably poorer with Nakamba, Ramsey and El Ghazi in it, almost Championship like, it sends a message out and Luiz and Barkley have been very poor for the last 5 or so games.
Dean sent out the message in his pre game interview when he said he had left out Luiz and Barkley because he wanted "more energy". In Barkley's case after his last game you could translate more energy into "more effort".
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I have a feeling that John McGinn is going to score today.
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They may be getting Sanson used to the pace of the game here and not want to put too much pressure on him yet.
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Barkley and luiz can have no complaints. Good luck to the 2 lads coming in. I can see Villa playing with 1dcm with McGinn and Ramsey playing further forward (Nakamba playing closer to the cbs and providing more support to them).
For me Sanson needs to come on ahead of Barkley, but if Ross comes on I hope he makes a difference and gets a goal. UTV!
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I want to see us taking the game to the opposition today. We've been on the back foot too much lately.
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Harrison not playing for them - is that good?
Yes he’s one of their best players and would’ve been up against Elmo.
Great news.
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Nearly ready... Just had a beer delivery from a local pub... Come on Villa!
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Come on Villa.
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Harrison not playing for them - is that good?
Yes he’s one of their best players and would’ve been up against Elmo.
Not to worry. I'm sure he will come on in the 75th once Elmo is knackered to zip past him
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Let’s settle down and admire the latest step in Leeds quest to become champions of the world.
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Not impressed with that line up. Either one of El Ghazi or Traore, but not both. Piss weak midfield. Long evening ahead.
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Probably a game to watch with the volume down.
The Leeds wankfest has been going all through the buildup and will continue throughout the game..........until we start beating the fuckers.
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I’m quite excited about that line up, I never expected this sort of changes from Smith.
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Probably a game to watch with the volume down.
The Leeds wankfest has been going all through the buildup and will continue throughout the game..........until we start beating the fuckers.
So it will continue throughout the whole game then?
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I fear this is going to be a proper decoration job.
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Probably a game to watch with the volume down.
The Leeds wankfest has been going all through the buildup and will continue throughout the game..........until we start beating the fuckers.
Yes no thanks to build up watch rugby until kick off
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The laziest analysis. No Grealish blah blah blah...
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Until we prove we can win without him that’s what the analysis will be.
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That pitch is awful
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Fuck, people weren't joking about that pitch.
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1975 called and wants it's pitch back
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That pitch is atrocious. Seeing villa players slipping everywhere
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That hand fucking ball !
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Hand ball for me
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Yessss
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After a shaky first minute we've looked quite threatening.
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Yeassss
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Scooooorccchiooooooooo!!!!!!
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YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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One of those goal things for us?
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Get in
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Get the fuck in!!!!!
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El Goalzi is back!
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Brilliant from El Ghazi. Everyone else seems to be playing on ice!
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Have that Bamford you utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter wanker.
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Just got in.
Put my projector on.
Opened a nice red......to see AEG put it in....yesssssss
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Get in! El Ghazi. Great alertness. Great finish.
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By my reckoning at least 4 players have slipped on this pitch so far.
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Pitch is a joke.
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Pitch is a disgrace for a game at this level.
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Have that Bamford you utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter wanker.
Jesus Risso. He will score another hat trick now. Or not......
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They shouldn't be allowed to use this pitch.
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Brilliant start, but it's the 8th minute, and I make it four players have slipped so far while trying to play the ball. Someone is going to drop a major bollock on this surface...
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Just seen the midfield. Brave.
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All of the pitches this season are atrocious but the one at Elland Road is a fucking disaster. Who got injured the other day on it? Some Everton player I think.
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Far more energy tonight so far.
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All of the pitches this season are atrocious but the one at Elland Road is a fucking disaster. Who got injured the other day on it? Some Everton player I think.
Broken ankle wasn't it?
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This proper 4-3-3 looks a bit better with the players available at the moment.
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Dirty Leeds
Dirty pitch
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Dirty bit of skill from El Goalzi there.
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No card for Costa?
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Nearly no.2 for AEG.
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Typical. I'm up a mountain with no WiFi and can't watch this, so obviously it'll be great.
But get the fuck in anyway! Yessss!
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AEG is up for this.
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loving it so far.
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More attacking intent and conviction in the first 15 minutes than in the previous 2 games.
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More attacking intent and conviction in the first 15 minutes than in the previous 2 games.
10 games
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Leeds really do have more than their fair quota of ****** in their team.
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AEG is on fire
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Ramsey trying to do a little bit too much at the moment.
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Bert needs to get more involved.
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Great to see us playing so well without Jack
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Ramsey trying to do a little bit too much at the moment.
Agreed, but he looks nice and comfortable and composed, and not out of his depth. He’ll get better as the game goes on.
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Who is that playing in El Ghazi's body?
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Ramsey trying to do a little bit too much at the moment.
Agreed, but he looks nice and comfortable and composed, and not out of his depth. He’ll get better as the game goes on.
Agreed, he looks really comfortable at this level.
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5 goals in 6 starts for AEG... I think
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Who is that playing in El Ghazi's body?
Will the real El Ghazi please stand up.
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Raphinha looks strong
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Ramsey trying to do a little bit too much at the moment.
Agreed, but he looks nice and comfortable and composed, and not out of his depth. He’ll get better as the game goes on.
Agreed. He is going to be a very good player.
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Raphinha looks strong
Sort of wide player we should be after next season.
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AEG could have scored 4 already
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Another good effort from El Skillzi.
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I don't know why folk are surprised about El Ghazi. This is how he played all December, then he got dropped post Covid for big Ross.
He had a poor half against West Ham granted but he's looking like a Premier League player these days and I love how he shoots on sight.
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Best half in a while this.
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Cristiano El Ghazi
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Glad I didn’t post my “ oh no not El Ghazi” comment in the pre match thread.
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Glad I didn’t post my “ oh no not El Ghazi” comment in the pre match thread.
he's playing well - but his recent performances would have made that comment fair enough at the time.
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McGinn's doing some great defensive work.
Raphinha is quality. Will be tough to keep him quiet.
Need to keep going forward. We're looking a real threat.
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He's hardly played since he scored five in five!
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Tidy from Marvellous there.
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I wonder if we're seeing more committed performances because of Smith dropping players - it may have made a few realise that Deano will drop people when deserved.
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I wonder if we're seeing more committed performances because of Smith dropping players - it may have made a few realise that Deano will drop people when deserved.
Something in that I reckon. There seemed to be an air of complacency starting to creep in.
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Nearly in there if AEG has played a better ball to Bert
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Jacob Ramsey absolutely belongs at this level.
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Nearly in there if AEG has played a better ball to Bert
I thought he was through
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Ramsey looks very composed
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I'm chewing on humble pie. Nakamba is a player.
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Why are Leeds being allowed to get away with holding our players all the time?
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Referee has forgotten his cards.
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I'm chewing on humble pie. Nakamba is a player.
Me too
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Traore needs to up it a bit. Hasn't been in the game so far.
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Bert has been poor so far
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I'm chewing on humble pie. Nakamba is a player.
Me too
A player?
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SKY commentator "Ayling has lost his hair bobble" ;D
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I'm chewing on humble pie. Nakamba is a player.
Me too
A player?
I.e. he belongs on a football pitch and is good at what he's there for. I thought the opposite last season.
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I'm chewing on humble pie. Nakamba is a player.
Me too
A player?
I.e. he belongs on a football pitch and is good at what he's there for. I thought the opposite last season.
Whoosh!
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Cheating Leeds ******
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getting nothing out of this ref
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Llorente... What a prick!
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What a wanker.
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Ref doing well so far
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Oh dear, what an absolute ******.
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Cheating cheating Leeds
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how quick did that moron get up then? proves there was fuck all wrong with him.
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I'm chewing on humble pie. Nakamba is a player.
Me too
A player?
I.e. he belongs on a football pitch and is good at what he's there for. I thought the opposite last season.
Whoosh!
Still don't get it.
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A very, very satisfactory first half.
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how quick did that moron get up then? proves there was fuck all wrong with him.
Should have been booked for simulation
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Leeds should be docked points for that pitch.
Someone will pick up a nasty injury.
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A relatively comfortable half with very few scares.
I think we could have been a bit more forceful up front and haven’t pressed them as hard as we could.
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Incredible theatrics and powers of recovery by 14 there for Leeds.
Good half. Only downside for me is Bert not being anywhere near involved enough.
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Good half, big improvement.
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Pretty good so far. I fucking hate Leeds.
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Compact and dangerous.What's not to like.
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So far so good. Defence has been excellent.
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We need to keep at them. If we try to hold on they'll score at least one.
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Excellent first half. The changes have improved us. Nakamba in particular has been excellent. Having someone snapping into tackles and disrupting the opposition attacks is something we've lacked recently.
Raphinha is a threat but that was very good from us.
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Good half. Deserve to be ahead and should've had a penalty. Not much going forward for 20 mins but holding them comfortably defensively. Take our chances second half and we will win this.
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Shape is the word.
We have, and need to keep our shape.
Focus, focus, focus.
Our goal came from focus.
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We look.comfortable. The pitch is a shocker, how can that be allowed at this level?
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Played Villa. Should have had a pen after 2 mins. El Ghazi playing well. Everyone doing their job. Leeds pr-ck at the end there writhing around and fresh as when pulled up by Ollie. Cheating c**t!
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Probably the best we've started a game for about three months, sensational.
Since then Leeds have started playing through us a bit and we've been more content to hit long. Think there's another goal in this for us, probably need one to get three points.
Overall the long called for changes have been a big success so far. Nakamba excellent, Jacob neat and tidy, just needs a bit composure but that will come.
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Same old Leeds, rolling around the pitch when touched with a feather.
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Incredible theatrics and powers of recovery by 14 there for Leeds.
Good half. Only downside for me is Bert not being anywhere near involved enough.
He's done plenty of tracking back though, some nice touches without getting a break. And good to see him and El Goalzi swapping sides. Definitely more to come from him 2nd half though
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Pretty good so far. I fucking hate Leeds.
Weeee all hate Leeds and Leeds and Leeds.....
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Cash for Elmo
Grealish for Ramsey
Would then be our best XI
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Leeds are a decent team, the media keeps telling us they are, but we have made them look very ordinary
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Impressed with Ramsey, and our midfield has competed for the first time in a while. Long way to go but I'm heartened by the fact that the changes have had some impact.
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Good half, though but too much long ball. Traore very quiet, needs to step up. Think Leeds have a goal in them, so we’ll need another. Ollie is playing really well and not giving them any peace. El Ghazi took his goal really well.
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The great thing about this line-up doing well (so far, touch wood etc) is that the bench is now infinitely stronger. Luiz, Barkley and Sanson to come on? I'll take it.
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The great thing about this line-up doing well (so far, touch wood etc) is that the bench is now infinitely stronger. Luiz, Barkley and Sanson to come on? I'll take it.
Can see Trez coming on around the hour mark as they're obviously targeting AEM who's just about keeping up with that Rapininha guy.
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So much better. keep it up Villa.
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I'd be tempted to bring on Trez for Bert
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The great thing about this line-up doing well (so far, touch wood etc) is that the bench is now infinitely stronger. Luiz, Barkley and Sanson to come on? I'll take it.
Can see Trez coming on around the hour mark as they're obviously targeting AEM who's just about keeping up with that Rapininha guy.
Do we ever make a sub on the hour mark?
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Only player I would consider changing is Traore. Not quite at the races so far.
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Elmo, ramsey, aeg and marv are all fresh. Squad rotation is the way forward.
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I'd be tempted to bring on Trez for Bert
Game has totally passed Traore by. Trez is the obvious change alright but maybe Davis up top and Watkins on right. Leeds are leaving a lot of space behind their full backs at times.
Delighted with the attitude of the players and their application without the ball. AEG looks very sharp and looks a good bet for a second. Nakamba in particular has caught the eye.
As others have said, the pitch is a cabbage patch.
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Good half, though but too much long ball. Traore very quiet, needs to step up. Think Leeds have a goal in them, so we’ll need another. Ollie is playing really well and not giving them any peace. El Ghazi took his goal really well.
Given the state of the pitch I can understand why they are playing the long ball on occasions.
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Impressed with Ramsey, and our midfield has competed for the first time in a while. Long way to go but I'm heartened by the fact that the changes have had some impact.
There was a passage of play just after half-hour, where Targett played a free-kick up to Mings, who lost it and fell on his arse, leading to a Leeds break - at their usual pace of such things. Jacob tracked the guy with the ball thirty yards, from about five yards back, to tackle and get the ball out of play, allowing everyone to reset. Not a very glamorous piece of play, but had me punching the air - proper effort, and recognising his responsibility to the team.
I know it's unfair, but I couldn't help thinking it was a run Barkley would not have made.
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Good half, though but too much long ball. Traore very quiet, needs to step up. Think Leeds have a goal in them, so we’ll need another. Ollie is playing really well and not giving them any peace. El Ghazi took his goal really well.
Given the state of the pitch I can understand why they are playing the long ball on occasions.
Exactly - and with the 'famous' Leeds 'press' it's sensible.
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Ramsey trying to do a little bit too much at the moment.
Disagree completely. For such a young player, one of the things that most impresses me is his discipline and economy of style, resisting the easy temptation to try and look the next best thing.
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Pretty good so far. I fucking hate Leeds.
Weeee all hate Leeds and Leeds and Leeds.....
Leeds and Leeds — haha remember that one
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Fucking hell Bert.
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That was on AEG. Should've spotted him much earlier.
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Jesus Ollie was fouled there
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Fouls Watkins, gives foul the other way FFS.
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That clearly shouldn't have been a corner against us.
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Corner my ass
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Now gives a corner for a ball off a Leeds player.
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Traore very much on the fringes of the game. He is working hard but can’t get in the game.
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Bert needs to come off.
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fantastic work rate from Villa
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Sanson for Traore?
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Targett you pillock!!!
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WTF?
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How is that not red?
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Sanson for Traore?
I suspect he'll bring on Barkley.
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You do get the feeling that these teams really do detest each other.
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Some appalling man buns on display this evening.
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Some appalling man buns on display this evening.
100%
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Some appalling man buns on display this evening.
Are man buns ever anything other than appalling?
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The work-rate tonight is just unrecognisable compared to some of our recent fixtures. Can only think Smith has shown them the video of the reverse fixture where we were comprehensively 'outworked' by Leeds, and it's certainly had the desired effect so far!
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Some appalling man buns on display this evening.
Are man buns ever anything other than super sexy?
;-)
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Some appalling man buns on display this evening.
Are man buns ever anything other than super sexy?
;-)
Oi! That's not what I said!!
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Some appalling man buns on display this evening.
Are man buns ever anything other than super sexy?
;-)
Oi! That's not what I said!!
Doh! Busted!
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Getting sloppy witty the ball....
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Some appalling man buns on display this evening.
Are man buns ever anything other than super sexy?
;-)
Oi! That's not what I said!!
Doh! Busted!
:)
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Could do with making a change. Not getting out of our half much at the moment.
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Klich is one of those players that seems to get away with far more than he should, horrible niggly little shit.
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Klich is one of those players that seems to get away with far more than he should, horrible niggly little shit.
He looks like he should be riding an Amish horse and cart.
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Needs Sanson on..
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That final-third press has REALLY lost a lot of energy in the last five mins. Time to get some fresh legs on I think.
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Klich is one of those players that seems to get away with far more than he should, horrible niggly little shit.
Leeds have 4 or 5 of those types
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Fresh legs please
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Needs Sanson on..
Yes, I'd send Sanson on soon son.
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Ginny has been wonderful tonight....back to his best
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Ginny has been wonderful tonight....back to his best
Agree. He's been brilliant.
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If there is ever a game Dean needs to make good subs it’s tonight. We need to maintain the energy levels to the final whistle. It would be Trez for Traore and probably AEG coming off for Sanson for me.
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Every time they say Klich I want to say 'and collect'
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Fuckknhg red card you ******
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Klich is one of those players that seems to get away with far more than he should, horrible niggly little shit.
As you were saying!
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klich has been persistently fouling all 2nd half
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Just tuning in having put the kids to bed. How are we doing?
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Make a change or two Smith, eh?
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What's up with Emi? Given some pills earlier, and now Mings taking goal kicks?
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Just tuning in having put the kids to bed. How are we doing?
Decent. Good first half, looking a little less energetic this, but Leeds haven't really created anything.
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This from the BBC website
John McGinn yells to the referee as he is brought down, trying to get Klich booked. He's been caught in the mouth and needs a bit of treatment to stem a bit of blood.
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Poor ball from Nakamba.
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Targett needs to be more careful.
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What’s happened to Emi?
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Nakamba's passing has gone completely to pot.
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Poor ball from Nakamba.
Yeah, the more time he has, the worse he looks. When it looks like he's got no chance of getting a toe to the ball he looks brilliant!
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I’d swap Dougie for Traore now.
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Played Bert.
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Nakamba's passing has gone completely to pot.
Yep ran out of steam.
Doug on NOW
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Ramsey off, Sanson on.
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Ramsey off wrong decision
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I would love Sanson to slam one in now...
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Nakamba's passing has gone completely to pot.
Probably tired due to his lack of game time
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Although I think Sanson is good.
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Anyone else getting nervous?
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Better looking starting eleven, even though I'd have brought in Sanson as well.
Leeds will hound us for everything, so also good to think about how much stronger the options off the bench after an hour will be.
I think you meant 79 minutes.
Ahem.
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Who is the co-commentator on Sky?
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Next Sub Dean please Nakamba for Doug
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Anyone else getting nervous?
Yup!
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Anyone else getting nervous?
Somewhere between puckering and letting go. Come on Villa!
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I can understand that sub, what's interesting is that it's Sanson ahead of Barkley.
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Anyone else getting nervous?
Me
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Fucking hell Bert.
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Anyone else getting nervous?
Yes. Very.
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Traore having a shocker
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Nice play by Sanson there
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Desire needs to be off now
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Anyone else getting nervous?
Yep, 50p 20p.
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Anyone else getting nervous?
Very
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Traore
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just got to keep the ball better
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82 mins feels a bit too early to be walking it into the corner Anwar...
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Leeds cheat show in flow.
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Trez coming on.
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Hernandez has a great face for radio
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He comes Trez!
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Fucking dirty Leeds. They've created jack shit this half and are trying to get the referee to get them a goal back.
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Targett needs to calm down or he is off.
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They really do belong in The Championship.
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The nerves are getting worse now.
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Target is harder than he looks he's been dishing it out all game. mostly under the radar. love that!
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What the fuck is posh boy whining about now?
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If we could keep the ball we could wind the clock down
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We need to push up the park.
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Konsa having a McGrath moment there.
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Trez on for AEG
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marvellous has been great today.
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Come on Trez run them ragged.
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Konsa having a McGrath moment there.
He's impressive isn't he?
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I’d have taken off Bert for Trez.
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Bit of a let off there.
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Shut up Bambi.
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5 mins WTF
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What on earth has happened in this second half to justify 5 minutes added time?
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Five added minutes. Martinez is struggling, I hope it isn't serious.
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5 mins. Yeah, right.
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5 minutes???
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Where has 5 come from???
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5 mins????
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I reckon teams should be allowed one free slap on Bamford every game, maybe he'd shut the fuck up moaning at the ref constantly then.
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Here we go refreshing this póst
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Amazing how it's one minute stoppage time for the first half and five for the second.
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My arse is fully clenched
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Their keeper is up
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Yessssssss. Superb boys. Well done.
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That’ll do piggy. That’ll do.
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Yessss
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Yay! UTV!!
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GET IN. Deserved. FUCK OFF LEEDS
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Fair play. Worked really hard and the changes in midfield were fully vindicated.
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Yesssssssssssss
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That'll do!
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Fuck off Bamford
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brilliant trez got us up the pitch there
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My arse is fully clenched
How you enjoy your evening after the game is your own business ;)
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Have that you dirty Leeds Tw**s
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brilliant trez got us up the pitch there
It was exactly the sort of thing Jack does for us, Anwar did it a couple of times too, almost like they're capable of it, but don't try when Jack plays? Either way, a very useful cameo - well done Trez!
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Fuck off Bamford
Seconded
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The commentators seemed desperate for Targett to get a second yellow, but not Klich for some reason.
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The commentators seemed desperate for Targett to get a second yellow, but not Klich for some reason.
Yep I noticed that , they made out targett was a nasty bastard
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Get the fuck in! Ya beauty!
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Up the Villa!
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watched the whole match and never felt nervous, Mings & Konsa were majestic and knew what was needed after the last shambles of a meeting.