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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on January 27, 2021, 08:05:45 PM
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Fun forty minutes in the middle at least.
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Bizarre. We've absolutely dominated a side over 180 minutes, had 46 shots and taken 1 point. A side who created 5 chances over that time.
If you concede a goal against Burnley you should be asking questions, to concede 3 is embarrassing. The 2nd was a fucking shit cross!
Burnley deserve no credit. They're the genital wart on the Premier League, a fucking abomination of absolute Blues who year on year just about shithouse their way to safety.
We've lost that game and I dont know how. Pope man of the match. Again.
Football is barmy.
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Awful goalkeeping and defending.
We need another striker, bringing Davis on to "possibly" nick a goal was laughable.
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We've been absolutely shit housed. You dont let Burnley get crosses in and have free headers, fair fucks to Burnley for implementing it. Massively naive from us though this evening.
Mings has to do better on the initial corner incident, Traore has too help Cash against McNeil, both persistant problems over the past few games.
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Let's not talk about them. Fuck 'em.
We need to be a bit more streetwise, a bit tougher and certainly more switched on but above all else, we need to improve our conversion ratio to chances. In other words put the fucking ball in the net.
Finishing practice please before Sat.
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A 5 minute brain fart cost us 3 points.
I think I hate Burnley and their shithousery more than Stoke, Olbyun & Wolves combined.
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Shocking absolutely shocking. A hark back to bad old days.
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I don't know how we did win that, numerous chances to put it out of sight. Some great football but we're not clinical enough.
Their first goal is crucial & at least the 3rd time we've conceded the same goal from a corner with a midfielder is marking a centre-half at the back post.
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As soon as we conceded the 3rd didn't look like getting back into it, and Burnley were always going to be happy to sit in against us. One to chalk up to experience about putting games to bed. Should have taken 6 points from this lot.
Hopefully see a reaction against Southampton on Saturday.
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Bizarre. We've absolutely dominated a side over 180 minutes, had 46 shots and taken 1 point. A side who created 5 chances over that time.
If you concede a goal against Burnley you should be asking questions, to concede 3 is embarrassing. The 2nd was a fucking shit cross!
Burnley deserve no credit. They're the genital wart on the Premier League, a fucking abomination of absolute Blues who year on year just about shithouse their way to safety.
We've lost that game and I dont know how. Pope man of the match. Again.
Football is barmy.
I have nothing more to add.
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Mugged like the West Ham game.
Can only hope the response is as good as in the 4-5 games after that one.
No need to panic but we need more credible options on the bench to keep the opposition nervous.
That's the next step in the masterplan.
Opportunity missed with Chelsea drawing.
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We stopped competing, against a team that do nothing else that is unforgivable.
Barkley became rooted to the centre circle, Traore lost conviction and they just kept battling.
Smith should have changed it 1 - 2 but his game management was reminiscent of last season.
Pathetic to be so much the better team and get 0 points.
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Tonight had a few uncomfortable echoes...I hope we put it behind us in the next game.
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How have we given away 5 points to that steaming turd of a sub-Pulis rugby team? This game was like the Game of Thrones episode The Viper and the Mountain. It was too easy and we took them too lightly, and paid the price.
The wasted chances against this lot should be a lesson. Just like with the Aussie cricket team, when you are playing against a c**ty team, full of c**t players and you have them by the throat, for the love of god keep squeezing until they're dead, or they may well get back up and do their c**ty thing to you.
Still, we now know that this new Villa are still capable of "doing a Villa". Let's hope they put it right against our nemesis on Saturday.
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We've nobody to blame but ourselves. Should have been out of sight after the first half.
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I knew we'd rue all the missed chances first half, and so it proved. Traore is not the man for situations like that, he provides no support whatsoever for Cash. Cash himself had a shocker though, so did Martinez.
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That's easily our most painful defeat of the season. As good as we were first half there's always a nagging suspicion that one goal won't be enough. We had chances to put them to bed and didn't do it.
Thought Barkley and Traore were non existent in the second half.
Again Traore left Cash to it down the right.
This is a real sickener. To concede 3 in a half against Burnley when they' d previously only scored 5 at home all season is a big concern.
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As frustrating as tonight and the last game was this does not in any way define who we are or our season. We literally did everything but score and because we didn’t we let in stupid goals. That’s the PL for you. We deserve what we got in the end. But nobody should be jumping off a bridge over this. We create so many chances and I would always rather have that than lose by not creating chances. We are still a side learning to operate at the top end and we will need to quickly overcome this. Just a bizarre two games. Not one.
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That second half will live long in the memory
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Ridiculous defeat. Should've won it comfortably. I just can't believe we threw it away. A stupid second goal from a cross, how on earth did that go in? Burnley are rubbish and yet they end up winning!
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They dragged us down to their level and beat us with their shithousery.
We should have been out of sight at halftime.
We tired as the game went on and they started picking up too many second balls.
We scored 2 beautiful goals, but conceded through poor defending down our right hand side - lessons to be learned?
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we went back 12 months with that soft defending in the second half - disappointed to say the least
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Not after the booze I'm about to put away
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Bollocks. To lose that after such an enjoyable first half. Their goalkeeper was superb and kept them in the game which allowed them to get to half time still in it.
Second half we was bullied all over the pitch and our defence looked vulnerable for the first time in ages.
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Once again, not getting the second goal kills us. One day we might learn...
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As frustrating as tonight and the last game was this does not in any way define who we are or our season. We literally did everything but score and because we didn’t we let in stupid goals. That’s the PL for you. We deserve what we got in the end. But nobody should be jumping off a bridge over this. We create so many chances and I would always rather have that than lose by not creating chances. We are still a side learning to operate at the top end and we will need to quickly overcome this. Just a bizarre two games. Not one.
If we can't win a game we seldom are able to grind out the draw, we get beaten too often. Just checked, that's our seventh loss of the 18 played.
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Enough is enough, Mings costs us, Hause is far better, never loses a header and doesn't fuck about. If we want to genuinely progress he cannot be anywhere near the side now. Sorry Mings fans. All this shite about distribution is just that, he fires it 50 years down the line, any clown can do that. I am furious we lost that, City showed last night how you put clowns to the sword and we lost, miles off.
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Obviously need to make the chances created count. They were unlikely to have such a poor half as they did in the second half although that was largely down to us being brilliant and it was hard to replicate that for the whole game.
Undone by a cross that sneaked in and a brilliant header from Wood, not to mention the shocking defending for the first. Shit happens and we’ll move on despite the poor result.
Disappointed by Barkley’s contribution or lack of, I’ll give him a bit of slack as he’s on the way back from an injury but the way he’s going El Ghazi can feel hard done by. I know a lot of our play goes through Grealish but, for me Barkley needs to show more.
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I can't work out how we lost, although I thought we would be ruing our profligacy in the first half and I knew Burnley wouldn't be as bad after the break.
However you know they play for and practise set pieces, you know they cross early without even looking and just hope for a nod down. It's like Wimbledon of old to a degree along with the fouling.
The first two goals were down to really bad defending and probably for the first time Martinez wasn't great, whilst Pope kept them in it time and again.
McGinn and Barkley looked done after about an hour as well so we should have changed things up. Hindsight is a great thing though as when we went back in front I really thought we would close it out.
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Out of the games we’ve lost this season that feels the worst. Should of been 3-0 up at half time and out of sight. Got drawn into a scrap by a bunch of scrappers, and even after going 2-1 up, started to give possession away too easily. Thought Traore should off come of earlier than he did, but then none of the subs hardly touched the ball let alone made an impact. Never looked like coming back into into after going behind. Chalk it down to experience and hopefully get something on Saturday against a much better side.
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We are an inch away from being the real deal (as in top 4), with our only flaw being that we don't kill games off when massively on top. I don't know how we do that without replacing a centre forward who I really like with a centre forward who will cost £100 million. We are missing a striker in the class of Salah, Aguero or Kane. We are that close.
Burnley. The Stoke of today who will eventually find their level again.
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How long do you have to spend in the Premier League before you think maybe it's time to stop playing like all you'll ever be doing is clinging on? Asking for a gravelly voiced friend...
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We need another 11 points to be certain of staying up.
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It baffles me how that approach to football can be "successful" in a league like this. It's not like they're even building a firm foundation and seeking to improve with a 2-year plan. They're just a stubborn, shithouse club that employs dinosaurs. Its a shame their tactics yield results, because quite frankly its League 1 crap.
That said, we should be ashamed and embarrassed. We could have and should have put 5 in the bag tonight. There's no excuse for letting a club like Burnley score 3 goals, its hard to believe we have so many clean sheets after tonight's lackluster performance.
I think we should mix it up for Southampton.. I wasn't impressed with Barkley, Traore still needs to discover the importance his role defensively and Mings really needs to have a good look at himself.
This one hurts - and I hope its a wake up call.
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Enough is enough, Mings costs us, Hause is far better, never loses a header and doesn't fuck about. If we want to genuinely progress he cannot be anywhere near the side now. Sorry Mings fans. All this shite about distribution is just that, he fires it 50 years down the line, any clown can do that. I am furious we lost that, City showed last night how you put clowns to the sword and we lost, miles off.
No Hause is nowhere near as good. You’ve completely dismissed all the good things he’s done. On the match thread you criticized him for giving up a corner FFS. That’s part of the game. He has made errors but he’s done a load of great things too. That’s why before tonight we had one the top defences in the league. He’s been a big part of that.
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Buggered that one up somewhat.
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Traore needs to help Cash more.
Martinez was poor - which isn't like him.
Mings and Konsa need to toughen up - they were way too soft with balls into the box.
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Very disappointed. Unlike us to lose from that position.
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On the plus side:
We wanted Dyche after Di Matteo got potted and apparently we were interested again when Smudger was under pressure last year.
Imagine having to watch that game in game out.
We've had some pretty duff teams over the years. But if it ain't a set piece, a big boof upfield or defensive mistake, Burnleh fans don't see goals. That's no life.
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It’s nothing like last season
We were losing last season because we were poor we are losing this season when we are the best team on the pitch by Miles
That’s a different set of circumstances to negotiate
Reacting in the last eight minutes and making your subs a bit late in the day
We are good but we’re not that good we should be never losing that game to Burnley
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hard to be overly critical as we're on track for a miles better season
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11 points out of the last 30. Not great!
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It baffles me how that approach to football can be "successful" in a league like this. It's not like they're even building a firm foundation and seeking to improve with a 2-year plan. They're just a stubborn, shithouse club that employs dinosaurs. Its a shame their tactics yield results, because quite frankly its League 1 crap.
That said, we should be ashamed and embarrassed. We could have and should have put 5 in the bag tonight. There's no excuse for letting a club like Burnley score 3 goals, its hard to believe we have so many clean sheets after tonight's lackluster performance.
I think we should mix it up for Southampton.. I wasn't impressed with Barkley, Traore still needs to discover the importance his role defensively and Mings really needs to have a good look at himself.
This one hurts - and I hope its a wake up call.
Their football is shite. Game after game they rely on Pope to save them. They're fucking shocking.
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Buggered that one up somewhat.
I knew we were screwed when the commentator said in the 9 games they’ve conceded the first they’d lost.
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It baffles me how that approach to football can be "successful" in a league like this. It's not like they're even building a firm foundation and seeking to improve with a 2-year plan. They're just a stubborn, shithouse club that employs dinosaurs. Its a shame their tactics yield results, because quite frankly its League 1 crap.
That said, we should be ashamed and embarrassed. We could have and should have put 5 in the bag tonight. There's no excuse for letting a club like Burnley score 3 goals, its hard to believe we have so many clean sheets after tonight's lackluster performance.
I think we should mix it up for Southampton.. I wasn't impressed with Barkley, Traore still needs to discover the importance his role defensively and Mings really needs to have a good look at himself.
This one hurts - and I hope its a wake up call.
Their football is shite. Game after game they rely on Pope to save them. They're fucking shocking.
I simply do not understand how Pope is being that clown Pickford in goal for England. Pope is the only reason we didn’t score 20 goals in the two games against them.
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I will go mainstream and blame Mings for the loss
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11 points out of the last 30. Not great!
11 more from the next 30 and we stay up with 11 games to spare. We'd have settled for that at the start of the season.
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All in all they where better than us, hard to deny that IMO. Stll we are on the up and are often lovley to watch and we are a good mid table team with and xiting future. I m ok with that taking last ten years into consideration. And we did outplay Newcastle last week :).
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Smith has got a lot more right than wrong this season, but he needs to up his game management, and realise that when things aren't working, he needs to change them much sooner than the 85th minute. Also, when a player is out for suspension, and somebody comes in and does well, why not give them a chance to carry on playing well?
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It baffles me how that approach to football can be "successful" in a league like this. It's not like they're even building a firm foundation and seeking to improve with a 2-year plan. They're just a stubborn, shithouse club that employs dinosaurs. Its a shame their tactics yield results, because quite frankly its League 1 crap.
That said, we should be ashamed and embarrassed. We could have and should have put 5 in the bag tonight. There's no excuse for letting a club like Burnley score 3 goals, its hard to believe we have so many clean sheets after tonight's lackluster performance.
I think we should mix it up for Southampton.. I wasn't impressed with Barkley, Traore still needs to discover the importance his role defensively and Mings really needs to have a good look at himself.
This one hurts - and I hope its a wake up call.
Their football is shite. Game after game they rely on Pope to save them. They're fucking shocking.
They've scored 10 goals all year.. pretty pathetic on our part to only take a point off them over 2 matches.
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Gobsmacking that we lost that. We've basically murdered them 0-0 and 2-3. The game was very similar to West Ham away where we absolutely pasted them but they put away almost every chance they had.
I'm not sure if it was just one of those nights, or Burnley are becoming a bogey team or if it was our fault, wasting far too many chances and then going to sleep in defence.
Same old faults were apparent though:
- trying to walk it in
- blasting it straight at the keeper instead of stroking it into the corner
- zonal marking leaves the big CBs ad CFs "marked" by McGinn, Doug and Barkley - result - carbon copy of the goals conceded to West Ham and Southampton from corners. No doubt Dyche noted those very well early in the season and raised it at half time.
- Cash left exposed down the right too often
- Game management, subs came too late, should perhaps have shored it up at 2-1.
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Hard to fathom how we didn't win that with something to spare on the balance of play and chances created. We did play excellent football for a lot of that game. But Burnley did pick up in the second half, Luiz was poor throughout really but McGinn disappeared. Cork gave them more of a foothold in midfield. Aside from conceding three goals, biggest moan for me was the age old problem of the timing of Deanos subs. At 2-1 up, those subs should be made. Traore was squandering numerous openings and Barkley was running out of gas. Making those subs at 82mins when 3-2 down is not giving AEG and Trez much of a chance. Throwing Davis on seemed to push Jack to a holding midfielder role. That's ridiculous.
Martinez 5 - maybe harsh but I wasn't happy with him for the second or third goals. His centre halves did him no favour for the second one but his footwork was slow for their winner.
Cash 5 - a popular player on here but continues to be average defensively for me. Found McNeill a real problem in the second half
Konsa 6 - out of position for the second goal and struggled a bit with the physicality of it at times
Mings 7 - one of his better games but not happy at all with him for the second goal, for me he half bottled out of diving at that cross to avoid an own goal
Targett 7 - beaten in the air for the winner which spoiled a fine performance, another assist. Took wrong option with that shot in first half
Luiz 5 - complete passenger first half, not at the pace of game at all. Loose touches, very rarely tried to get the ball from the back and beaten in many physical exchanges
McGinn 6 - decent first half (his ball put Watkins clear didn't it?) but totally anonymous after half time. Needs to up it
Traore 6 - squandered so many chances and openings. An enigma really and should have been hooked at least 10 mins earlier
Barkley 6 - much better than last two games, ball hogging as always but influential and very unlucky to hit bar. Tired and hooked a little too late
Jack 9 - best player in the league, we completely mismanaged his role last 10 mins.
Watkins 8 - brilliant for most of the game before tiring late on. Lovely finish, poor effort on the one on one but always a threat
Subs AEG looked lively but not given enough time. Trez hardly had a kick and poor old Davis first touch was horrid
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I'm not on the Mings hate-train like most - but a 7? blimey.
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However you know they play for and practise set pieces, you know they cross early without even looking and just hope for a nod down. It's like Wimbledon of old to a degree along with the fouling.
Aye. It's like the Dons but without the humour or quirkiness.
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We had no attacking luck whatsoever against them over the 2 games . The one bit of good fortune they enjoyed courtesy of their flukey second gave them a new lease of life which saw them win the game. Not too disheartened, some of our first half play was outstanding.Midfield trio as a unit off the pace 2nd half which is concerning though.
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Mings positioned is awful.sometimes, he really gets himself in situations that he shouldn't be, either trying to do too much or switching off.
Hopefully we will learn from that, you know Burnley will fight and scrap, 2nd half they out fought us. Crosses into the box vs Burnley os always awful to ay against.
I was so happy wi what we did in the 1st have but we didn't put them away. Sloppy.
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Quite what happened second half conceded 3 goals and to goal shy Burnley is really disappointing!
That first half was another level . Outstanding football. Mesmeric play by wonder Jack and the team as a whole and then just staggering to throw away leading positions and come away with nothing.
There was evidence due to the causal manner in both vs newcastle and even at times vs Burnley first half. Delightful football. Utterly dominance but not ruthless to see the game off by 2 or 3 at half time. And rightfully should have been ahead.
Sometimes we're too good for our own selves
Great to see Grealish score and he would have scored the best goals ever when he took upon amazing run to beat Burnley players doing ball juggling, dribbling and quite outstanding.
Difficult to see what went on at the end but Burnley assist seemed to aggravate Jack and had to be held back by Elmo.
I think the overall positive is to take a lesson to learn to win a game and finish off teams.
Some of our play first half best up there ever seen by Villa. But also a casualness that needs to substitute to ruthlessness.
Ollie Watkins goal was reminded of Wesley there last season
And on ref he seemed reluctant to give cards but happily give free kicks to us.
Well done first half
Not so much 2nd.
Maybe the players tired and Smith needs to address the rotation issue and trust squad. That said credit to Burnley how they turned up second half. Unlike some Villa players. Chiefly Barkley struggling after 2 months out
Up the Villa.
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hard to be overly critical as we're on track for a miles better season
If we want to aspire to be a top 6 or a top 4 team even then we need to be hard on ourselves.
We can't lose like that if we want to progress. Yes, we were great first half but all the composure on display in the first half completely went once they scored their first.
We have to be mentally tougher than that. To lose that game from 2-1 up with 15 to go is not good enough.
Gotta learn to see games out. Nothing that Burnley did second half was a surprise but we couldn't deal with it.
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Mings was ball watching for the winner and let Wood drift off him towards Targett. That was poor.
That run by Grealish was even better than the one v Leeds. Just astonishing - if only he’d stop hitting the final shot straight at the goalkeeper.
And apart from last year, Turf Moor is an absolute graveyard for Villa.
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Crazy how we lost that in all honesty. They didnt get anywhere near us in that first half. It's a shame because we were an absolute joy to watch in that first 45. Let's hope its just a bump in the road because it's not often we defend as lously as that.
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Sorry TV, we'll really have to agree to disagree, I really think Mings is now miles off what we need. We were so far on top and he gave them a piss easy corner and we went to shit from there. I played centre back for 30 years and when I could play I did, when I needed to punt it, I did. Its nearly every game with him now, time to ditch
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WE have become a team of showboaters that’s what happened to Arsenal till they rolled up their sleeves and started to work for a living.
You cannot leave a full back so exposed has Cash was tonite and the defending from certain midfielders for the first was criminal.
This will be either a turning point for the good or just the opposite we still need twelve points to be safe.
I see the Southampton has the one which decides.
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I really hope that they're looking at options for a striker, even if just a loan for 6 months. Davis is an absolutely dismal option to bring on, his first touch looked like he too had received a set of juggling balls for Christmas, with the shoes to match.
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I'm not on the Mings hate-train like most - but a 7? blimey.
I'm generally on it (hate is very strong) but thought he did the basics a lot better tonight. Not his fault that Luiz in particular kept hiding in front of him so forced to go long
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Luiz shit tonight. Hasn't been particularly good this season. Traore had an off game. Centre backs are still soft on corners. Not sure if it's tactical or physical but we don't defend corners or crosses well enough.
Trezeguet or El Ghazi back for next game please. We need the additional work rate.
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We can moan about Burnley all we like, but what they did they did well. If say that was Liverpool or Man C coming to VP in the middle of last season, totally dominating the 1st half but we hung in there at 0-1 and kept belief and battled to a victory as Burnley did tonight we would have been full of praise.
It's not harking back to the bad old days, we once again showed we are a side of quality footballers and are in transition to greater things.
Sometimes you just have to take it on the chin.
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Luiz had a shit game tonight as well, I'd be bringing in Nakamba for the next game, to give Douggie a kick up the arse.
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WE have become a team of showboaters that’s what happened to Arsenal till they rolled up their sleeves and started to work for a living.
You cannot leave a full back so exposed has Cash was tonite and the defending from certain midfielders for the first was criminal.
This will be either a turning point for the good or just the opposite we still need twelve points to be safe.
I see the Southampton has the one which decides.
I must be watching a completely different team.
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No complaints about burnley, up to us to beat them.
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Mings was ball watching for the winner and let Wood drift off him towards Targett. That was poor.
That run by Grealish was even better than the one v Leeds. Just astonishing - if only he’d stop hitting the final shot straight at the goalkeeper.
And apart from last year, Turf Moor is an absolute graveyard for Villa.
Think part of the problem is that playing on the left, a lot of his chances do come on his left foot, rather than his stronger right.
Frustrating defeat and three soft goals to concede. Think there should have been changes when we regained the lead, but not to be.
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I'm not on the Mings hate-train like most - but a 7? blimey.
I'm generally on it (hate is very strong) but thought he did the basics a lot better tonight. Not his fault that Luiz in particular kept hiding in front of him so forced to go long
He was doing the simple things first half, I thought he had learned from previous mistakes.
The lead up to their first goal was criminally bad, first letting it bounce and then attempting to let it roll out, before conceeding the corner.
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Awful goalkeeping and defending.
We need another striker, bringing Davis on to "possibly" nick a goal was laughable.
His first touch was laughable. Could be Dean's way of sending a signal to the owners?
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We need another 11 points to be certain of staying up.
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Burnley are the modern equivalent or late 80s/early 90s Wimbledon, Bolton under Allardyce and Stoke under Pulis. We could never beat any of them either.
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Other thanJack I can not think of a player that scored more than 5 for their second half performance.
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On the plus side:
We wanted Dyche after Di Matteo got potted and apparently we were interested again when Smudger was under pressure last year.
Imagine having to watch that game in game out.
We've had some pretty duff teams over the years. But if it ain't a set piece, a big boof upfield or defensive mistake, Burnleh fans don't see goals. That's no life.
But surely you can have admiration for their gumption as a team. Dyche has a very small budget but in comparison to say Newcastle they are spirited and well organised. Dyche certainly wasn't shy about his subs in comparison to Smith.
They turned that second half into a battle for a finish and some of our lads were found wanting.
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17 points from the last 42 available.
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If we take our chances in the fIrst half we win. We never seem to place the shots in the corner. Just blast it at the keeper. McGinn and Liz non-existent tonight and Barkley has undoubted quality but final ball often lacking. Traore flatters to deceive. Great goal from Oli but his finishing overall is still lacking for me. Grealish superb as ever. Unfortunately losing games like this is the reason he will move on eventually
I didn’t think we were that great against Newcastle or Man City either.
Hopefully a blip. Roll on Saturday
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WE have become a team of showboaters that’s what happened to Arsenal till they rolled up their sleeves and started to work for a living.
You cannot leave a full back so exposed has Cash was tonite and the defending from certain midfielders for the first was criminal.
This will be either a turning point for the good or just the opposite we still need twelve points to be safe.
I see the Southampton has the one which decides.
Agree with the showboat tendencies and Smith s unwillingness to help Cash with some cover is now well documented IMO. But I dont think we will be in danger of relegation this season.
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WE have become a team of showboaters that’s what happened to Arsenal till they rolled up their sleeves and started to work for a living.
You cannot leave a full back so exposed has Cash was tonite and the defending from certain midfielders for the first was criminal.
This will be either a turning point for the good or just the opposite we still need twelve points to be safe.
I see the Southampton has the one which decides.
What do you mean "we"?
Off you pop Nose/Dingle/Stripey Filth delete which ever tin pot allegiance as necessary.
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It baffles me how that approach to football can be "successful" in a league like this. It's not like they're even building a firm foundation and seeking to improve with a 2-year plan. They're just a stubborn, shithouse club that employs dinosaurs. Its a shame their tactics yield results, because quite frankly its League 1 crap.
That said, we should be ashamed and embarrassed. We could have and should have put 5 in the bag tonight. There's no excuse for letting a club like Burnley score 3 goals, its hard to believe we have so many clean sheets after tonight's lackluster performance.
I think we should mix it up for Southampton.. I wasn't impressed with Barkley, Traore still needs to discover the importance his role defensively and Mings really needs to have a good look at himself.
This one hurts - and I hope its a wake up call.
Their football is shite. Game after game they rely on Pope to save them. They're fucking shocking.
They've scored 10 goals all year.. pretty pathetic on our part to only take a point off them over 2 matches.
It happens. They've beaten Liverpool and Arsenal in recent times. Hopefully they can hold Chelsea at the weekend.
We do have a massive issue defending crosses v them though....the three we conceded last season all came from crosses and disappointing to concede from the corner the way we did, zonal went a bit wrong there.
3rd one was a top header, Wood's a very underrated striker who usually gets into double figures every season so we could do much worse as a plan B type option.
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🙄 we were shit, bla bla bla. I do despair how we are looking at individuals to blame.
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WE have become a team of showboaters that’s what happened to Arsenal till they rolled up their sleeves and started to work for a living.
You cannot leave a full back so exposed has Cash was tonite and the defending from certain midfielders for the first was criminal.
This will be either a turning point for the good or just the opposite we still need twelve points to be safe.
I see the Southampton has the one which decides.
Fingers crossed we'll stay up, eh?
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WE have become a team of showboaters that’s what happened to Arsenal till they rolled up their sleeves and started to work for a living.
You cannot leave a full back so exposed has Cash was tonite and the defending from certain midfielders for the first was criminal.
This will be either a turning point for the good or just the opposite we still need twelve points to be safe.
I see the Southampton has the one which decides.
What do you mean "we"?
Off you pop Nose/Dingle/Stripey Filth delete which ever tin pot allegiance as necessary.
I did reply on the previous page. A ridiculous post, even for one of them.
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No dodgy VAR decisions and a sublime first half.
Losing that was laughable. On to Southampton.
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WE have become a team of showboaters that’s what happened to Arsenal till they rolled up their sleeves and started to work for a living.
You cannot leave a full back so exposed has Cash was tonite and the defending from certain midfielders for the first was criminal.
This will be either a turning point for the good or just the opposite we still need twelve points to be safe.
I see the Southampton has the one which decides.
Fingers crossed we'll stay up, eh?
I'm.sure the Dingles will have enough. Not sure about Small Heath or Stripey Filth mind.
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WE have become a team of showboaters that’s what happened to Arsenal till they rolled up their sleeves and started to work for a living.
You cannot leave a full back so exposed has Cash was tonite and the defending from certain midfielders for the first was criminal.
This will be either a turning point for the good or just the opposite we still need twelve points to be safe.
I see the Southampton has the one which decides.
What do you mean "we"?
Off you pop Nose/Dingle/Stripey Filth delete which ever tin pot allegiance as necessary.
I did reply on the previous page. A ridiculous post, even for one of them.
What sort of sad Villa obsessed person pretends to be one of us to dish out criticism on the rare occasions we lose? But when you look at our neighbours, its actually self explanatory.
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WE have become a team of showboaters that’s what happened to Arsenal till they rolled up their sleeves and started to work for a living.
You cannot leave a full back so exposed has Cash was tonite and the defending from certain midfielders for the first was criminal.
This will be either a turning point for the good or just the opposite we still need twelve points to be safe.
I see the Southampton has the one which decides.
Agree with the showboat tendencies and Smith s unwillingness to help Cash with some cover is now well documented IMO. But I dont think we will be in danger of relegation this season.
Relegation isn't even a remote possibility, we're way too good for that. It's just disappointing that it's yet another match where we've chucked away points despite dominating against a team we should have beaten comfortably. That's Leeds, Southampton, Brighton, West Ham and now Burnley where we've had more than enough chances to get something from the game, but have come away with zero points due to absolutely shit defending and not sticking the ball away.
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Bloody infuriating result. We should have been out of sight. But lesson to be learned you cannot switch off or drop off.
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🙄 we were shit, bla bla bla. I do despair how we are looking at individuals to blame.
don't do it then :)
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Look on the bright side. We haven’t done the Albion any favours tonight! Nor the Dingles.
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🙄 we were shit, bla bla bla. I do despair how we are looking at individuals to blame.
We weren't shit but no way should we lose that game.
Dean has just said that there are no plusses to take from the game because we lost which is a tad harsh but I see where he is coming from.
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🙄 we were shit, bla bla bla. I do despair how we are looking at individuals to blame.
don't do it then :)
Might have missed the sarcasm
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I've criticised Mings in previous games and suggested we need better, but tonight he couldn't be faulted for anything in particular, and to suggest otherwise smacks of an entrenched agenda.
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🙄 we were shit, bla bla bla. I do despair how we are looking at individuals to blame.
don't do it then :)
Might have missed the sarcasm
you said "we" ;) 🙄 we were shit, bla bla bla. I do despair how we are looking at individuals to blame.
don't do it then :)
Might have missed the sarcasm
like defenders missing the ball into the box :D
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I'm not on the Mings hate-train like most - but a 7? blimey.
I'm generally on it (hate is very strong) but thought he did the basics a lot better tonight. Not his fault that Luiz in particular kept hiding in front of him so forced to go long
He was doing the simple things first half, I thought he had learned from previous mistakes.
The lead up to their first goal was criminally bad, first letting it bounce and then attempting to let it roll out, before conceeding the corner.
Bit harsh but I'm assuming he was over on that side anyway covering for an out of position Konsa. Mings can't even fathom turning onto his right side or using his right foot. That's his biggest problem by far. He got into an arm wrestle with Wood alright and lost out (a bit unlucky) to a corner. We are very soft defending set pieces, we only have three outfield players capable of competing in the air. The state of Luiz and Barkley's effort in defending the corner was the real problem.
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Mental. Both games against these Jurassic wankers. Just mental.
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Mental. Both games against these Jurassic wankers. Just mental.
should have taken 6 points - not 1.
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Barkley frustrates the hell out of me. His passing is often wayward and for a big lad he gets shoved off the ball too easily.
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Exquisite play in the first half.
We need to learn how to play when things aren’t going our way. It’s not that we’re lightweight, for 90 mins our more skilled players get kicked and get in it with it.
Subs at 2-1 would have helped. Or even 2-2.
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Being philosophical for a minute, we're light years ahead of where I thought we'd be this season and playing some scintillating stuff. It really is lovely to watch.
We're still making some of the basic errors that almost got us relegated last year but it's a learning curve and I think we maybe need to be a bit patient before we're ready for a consistent tilt at the top6.
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Think Trarore stayed on too long and the midfield 2 ran out of steam as well.
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All in all they where better than us, hard to deny that IMO. Stll we are on the up and are often lovley to watch and we are a good mid table team with and xiting future. I m ok with that taking last ten years into consideration. And we did outplay Newcastle last week :).
I'll deny it. They're god-awful crap, and if football had to rely on their typical fare to survive as a spectator sport, it'd die on its arse. Better than us. Fucking heard everything now.
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On the plus side:
We wanted Dyche after Di Matteo got potted and apparently we were interested again when Smudger was under pressure last year.
Imagine having to watch that game in game out.
We've had some pretty duff teams over the years. But if it ain't a set piece, a big boof upfield or defensive mistake, Burnleh fans don't see goals. That's no life.
But surely you can have admiration for their gumption as a team. Dyche has a very small budget but in comparison to say Newcastle they are spirited and well organised.
Swansea under Rodgers and Martinez at Wigan didn't have vast resources either. Yet they could get their sides playing something approximating football.
He's been there 8 + years now. This isn't a new guy in a job trying to make them hard to beat. Clearly, this is how he wants them to play long term. Minimal chance creation or finesse, instructing his players to leave one on the opposition any chance they get and generally just trying to spoil and aggravate rather than create.
We need to be able to see off dross like this but I have no admiration for that approach at all. It's utterly joyless stuff.
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All in all they where better than us, hard to deny that IMO. Stll we are on the up and are often lovley to watch and we are a good mid table team with and xiting future. I m ok with that taking last ten years into consideration. And we did outplay Newcastle last week :).
They were better than us? What? At lumping aimless long balls, sure. They were fucking terrible.
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Being philosophical for a minute, we're light years ahead of where I thought we'd be this season and playing some scintillating stuff. It really is lovely to watch.
We're still making some of the basic errors that almost got us relegated last year but it's a learning curve and I think we maybe need to be a bit patient before we're ready for a consistent tilt at the top6.
The trouble is, every time there's a weird year where one or two other clubs look like they might break through, the next season sees the "Big 6" sort themselves out and then it's the status quo again for three or four years. We might not have a better chance to break into the top 6 again for a while, and I'd hate if we threw it away because of self-inflicted mistakes like some of the defeats this season.
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
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All in all they where better than us, hard to deny that IMO. Stll we are on the up and are often lovley to watch and we are a good mid table team with and xiting future. I m ok with that taking last ten years into consideration. And we did outplay Newcastle last week :).
I'll deny it. They're god-awful crap, and if football had to rely on their typical fare to survive as a spectator sport, it'd die on its arse. Better than us. Fucking heard everything now.
They did win the game. We coudnt defend our leads. We coudnt come back in the end. They did beat Liverpool at Anfield - first team in years, with the same style of play.
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I don't get why we don't leave at least one player on the line at corners especially when we have shown ourselves to be susceptible from zonal marking. It's not as if we are leaving a man up field. However we are not alone I know, even Sheffield Utd have scored from one against Man U.
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All in all they where better than us, hard to deny that IMO. Stll we are on the up and are often lovley to watch and we are a good mid table team with and xiting future. I m ok with that taking last ten years into consideration. And we did outplay Newcastle last week :).
I'll deny it. They're god-awful crap, and if football had to rely on their typical fare to survive as a spectator sport, it'd die on its arse. Better than us. Fucking heard everything now.
They did win the game. We coudnt defend our leads. We coudnt come back in the end. They did beat Liverpool at Anfield - first team in years, with the same style of play.
And if you can explain how, for your next trick, explain cold fusion.
They were shit at Liverpool and absolutely wank over 180 minutes against us. Conceding 46 shots. They have no recognisable play beyond long ball bollocks and prey for a corner. Their defending consists of thank fuck for Pope. They are fucking shit. The day those ugly bastards disappear down the plug hole not one person will be sad out the other 19 to see them go.
I'd stick to explaining Cold Fusion.
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Smith was outdone at halftime. They realized they weren't going to play through us, so they decided to lump it long and turn the defenders around. It worked well for them, and we didn't adapt. Luis was too far away from Mings and Ezro, and they were picking up the knockdowns.
Mings had a pretty poor game and was at fault in the build-up of at least two of the goals.
Smith needs to learn from this result and adapt a bit quicker. Dyche has been around for a while and did him tonight.
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Disappointing. This is where Smith earns his corn. If comments on here about Luiz, McGinn and Barkley are correct then Sanson hasn't arrived a moment too soon.
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I don't get why we don't leave at least one player on the line at corners especially when we have shown ourselves to be susceptible from zonal marking. It's not as if we are leaving a man up field. However we are not alone I know, even Sheffield Utd have scored from one against Man U.
Yeah bad call, would've kept the first one out if we'd have someone on far post. Needs looking at for next season as we have massive issues depending crosses v them so you'd think we'd do all we could to limit danger from set pieces.
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We played some sublime football at times tonight and should have been out of sight at half time, gutted they won but thank fuck I don't watch a team every week that lumps it high and long hoping for flick ons and second balls.
Defended poorly tonight but we will play worse than that and win this season.
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All in all they where better than us, hard to deny that IMO. Stll we are on the up and are often lovley to watch and we are a good mid table team with and xiting future. I m ok with that taking last ten years into consideration. And we did outplay Newcastle last week :).
I'll deny it. They're god-awful crap, and if football had to rely on their typical fare to survive as a spectator sport, it'd die on its arse. Better than us. Fucking heard everything now.
They did win the game. We coudnt defend our leads. We coudnt come back in the end. They did beat Liverpool at Anfield - first team in years, with the same style of play.
And if you can explain how, for your next trick, explain cold fusion.
They were shit at Liverpool and absolutely wank over 180 minutes against us. Conceding 46 shots. They have no recognisable play beyond long ball bollocks and prey for a corner. Their defending consists of thank fuck for Pope. They are fucking shit. The day those ugly bastards disappear down the plug hole not one person will be sad out the other 19 to see them go.
I'd stick to explaining Cold Fusion.
Dont know anything about cold fusion, sorry. I m posting my wiespoints and perspctives here as I m supposed to and I will stick to that. I m disapointed though and that probl color my opinions some but so what
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All in all they where better than us, hard to deny that IMO. Stll we are on the up and are often lovley to watch and we are a good mid table team with and xiting future. I m ok with that taking last ten years into consideration. And we did outplay Newcastle last week :).
I'll deny it. They're god-awful crap, and if football had to rely on their typical fare to survive as a spectator sport, it'd die on its arse. Better than us. Fucking heard everything now.
I did a double take there. Burnley were better than us? No they're not. They're really not. They are a shithouse team with shithouse tactics and a shithouse manager. If you're saying they were better than us tonight because of the result then I strongly disagree. They were their usual thuggish selfs who fluked a goal and it was so so close to it being a battering for them. They have zero ambition just a desire to muscle their way to survival year after year. There is not one single way in which Burnley are better than us. They even stole our colours.
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We are now a good side but need to be ruthless and we aren't. I'm going to say it but we need to get ready for life post Jack as he off after this season. Barkley is cack and we should not buy him. We are two years off being a hell of a good top six side, but need to make ruthless decisions player wise and Mings is not a great player. Need players who are ruthless, if so we would have destroyed Burnley tonight but lost.
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Will he even drop anyone for Sanson? Like someone else said automatically puts McGinn back in and drops Nakamba who does nothing wrong and is probably a bit tougher in midfield.
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I don't get why we don't leave at least one player on the line at corners especially when we have shown ourselves to be susceptible from zonal marking. It's not as if we are leaving a man up field. However we are not alone I know, even Sheffield Utd have scored from one against Man U.
Yeah bad call, would've kept the first one out if we'd have someone on far post. Needs looking at for next season as we have massive issues depending crosses v them so you'd think we'd do all we could to limit danger from set pieces.
The first one was easily prevented by Luiz and Barkley doing the job I assume they were detailed with, blocking the runs of their centre-halves. As opposed to the ball watching they actually did.
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Shithouse of a team got 3 points tonight and we got nil. That's all the league table understands.
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And some people watch that shite 38 games a season. Fuck me. I think I'd rather be at the Touchwood every time Small Heath are at home.
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I hate this zonal marking bollocks. Off the top of my head we've conceeded free headers from set pieces to Vestegaard, Ogbonna and Mee with Mings and Konsa not marking any of them.
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And some people watch that shite 38 games a season. Fuck me. I think I'd rather be at the Touchwood every time Small Heath are at home.
It's Burnley. They stop the traffic lights on matchdays.
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Awful goalkeeping and defending.
We need another striker, bringing Davis on to "possibly" nick a goal was laughable.
His first touch was laughable. Could be Dean's way of sending a signal to the owners?
No, I think it's another example of his inability to use substitutes effectively. Far too often he's bringing on substitutes far later than he ought to.
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Sorry TV, we'll really have to agree to disagree, I really think Mings is now miles off what we need. We were so far on top and he gave them a piss easy corner and we went to shit from there. I played centre back for 30 years and when I could play I did, when I needed to punt it, I did. Its nearly every game with him now, time to ditch
Sorry but I’ve got to disagree. Mings for me was the best of the four tonight. Once again particularly in the 2nd half several players were poor. It’s unfair to single out Mings when everyone forward of him with the exception of Grealish didn’t perform
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Seems like every time we are within reach of the top 6, we find a way to shoot ourselves in the foot. Second half we were rubbish at defending and, you could say that Emi could have done much better for their 2nd & 3rd goals. Soton are a much better time than these so, unfortunately, not expecting too much from that match either.
Plus, we are just not deadly enough from the number of chances we create. We are a young team so will definitely improve but now thinking top half of the table is what we should be aiming for. Hopefully, Dean has learnt from tonight that he needs to make good substitutions at the appropriate time and, not leave it too late.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12200713/burnley-come-back-twice-to-stun-villa
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Disappointed but not despondent about tonight
Compared to where we were a year ago the whole club has been transformed
I’m looking at this season as being a stepping stone to the top, and the art of putting games out of the reach of our opponents when we are dominating is all part of the learning curve
It’s why the teams at the top now have been there for the last few years
It’s not our strength at the moment because for the last decade we have rarely dominated matches
So disappointed at a lost opportunity - yes but despondent - no
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They were more effective than us and they have 3 points.
Other than Jack I could not find a better than 5 out of 10 performance in that second half
Smith has to take responsibility for awful game management.
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I'm going to say it but we need to get ready for life post Jack as he off after this season.
Who told you this ?
Why is he going ?
Where is he going ?
For how much ?
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Barkley frustrates the hell out of me. His passing is often wayward and for a big lad he gets shoved off the ball too easily.
He definitely declined to engage in one particular 50/50, but I don’t want to say he bottled it.
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Barkley frustrates the hell out of me. His passing is often wayward and for a big lad he gets shoved off the ball too easily.
He definitely declined to engage in one particular 50/50, but I don’t want to say he bottled it.
he bottled it
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Sorry TV, we'll really have to agree to disagree, I really think Mings is now miles off what we need. We were so far on top and he gave them a piss easy corner and we went to shit from there. I played centre back for 30 years and when I could play I did, when I needed to punt it, I did. Its nearly every game with him now, time to ditch
Sorry but I’ve got to disagree. Mings for me was the best of the four tonight. Once again particularly in the 2nd half several players were poor. It’s unfair to single out Mings when everyone forward of him with the exception of Grealish didn’t perform
He's made his mind up on Mings and heels are dug in there. It's a mystery how he keeps getting picked for the England squad considering he's so bad. On the piss easy corner thing it was more about Vydra. The ball was on the line inches from being a goal kick. Vydra was falling on his arse yet somehow stuck out a toe to deflect it off Mings for a corner. Fine margins. However questions need to be asked urgently why Barkley was "marking" Mee from the corner and Targett was marking Woods for the winner. On each occasion Mings AND Konsa weren't particularly marking anyone? And it's not the first time that's happened this season. That needs urgent attention in my view.
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Awful goalkeeping and defending.
We need another striker, bringing Davis on to "possibly" nick a goal was laughable.
His first touch was laughable. Could be Dean's way of sending a signal to the owners?
The fact he gets 2 mins here, 5 mins there speaks volumes for the faith Smith has in him.
I don’t dislike or not rate Davis at all. I have defended him for a long time and there is a player in there. But not a goalscorer, and we need one to help out.
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Aston Villa boss Dean Smith, speaking to Match of the Day: "The game should've been over at half time, the chances that we created, they were quality chances.
"[Nick Pope] has made some really good saves but the game should've been out of sight. I've just said to the players, it's very tough to win any game in this league and we have started the season so well but you can't get three points the way we played tonight.
"We didn't do the basics well enough in the second half. They were a bit fortunate with the second goal but no excuses.
"I'm disappointed because that's an opportunity wasted. I don't take plusses from this game at all. We did enough to get the points, so not happy."
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Awful goalkeeping and defending.
We need another striker, bringing Davis on to "possibly" nick a goal was laughable.
His first touch was laughable. Could be Dean's way of sending a signal to the owners?
The fact he gets 2 mins here, 5 mins there speaks volumes for the faith Smith has in him.
I don’t dislike or not rate Davis at all. I have defended him for a long time and there is a player in there. But not a goalscorer, and we need one to help out.
He's not good enough. At all.
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That’s very honest by Dean. We’ve done such a good job this season from winning positions and tonight was the first time we didn’t see the job through. But this will happen across a season. Even for the very best teams and we are not one of them yet. This is part of our evolution. The contrast between last season and this is incredible but we still have a good way to go to be a top 6 side. What we are seeing is the makings of one but along the way we will have setbacks. And that includes less the perfect performances from our players in a game or a series of games. Tonight was one of the best first halves we’ve put together followed by one of the worst. And that’s the first time that’s happened since Leeds. And even Leeds was an average first half.
I’m just not going to panic about time but have every right to be disappointed because we did toss three points away headed into three more difficult games.
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Mugged like the West Ham game.
Can only hope the response is as good as in the 4-5 games after that one.
No need to panic but we need more credible options on the bench to keep the opposition nervous.
That's the next step in the masterplan.
Opportunity missed with Chelsea drawing.
At least at West Ham we pushed right to the final kick, not so tonight really
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Awful goalkeeping and defending.
We need another striker, bringing Davis on to "possibly" nick a goal was laughable.
His first touch was laughable. Could be Dean's way of sending a signal to the owners?
The fact he gets 2 mins here, 5 mins there speaks volumes for the faith Smith has in him.
I don’t dislike or not rate Davis at all. I have defended him for a long time and there is a player in there. But not a goalscorer, and we need one to help out.
Don't get our use of him. Never seemingly want to loan him out but I assume he's in if Ollie isn't fit to start yet he wasn't even the first sub once we were losing.
Overall strange and surely he must be wanting to go out on loan to really get his career going unless he's just content to be backup which perhaps might be the high point of his career just like it was for the Fonz years back.
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We need to stop being generous to sides that wear our colours. 1 point from games in which if we'd got the full 9 points, no-one would say they weren't deserved.
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Sorry TV, we'll really have to agree to disagree, I really think Mings is now miles off what we need. We were so far on top and he gave them a piss easy corner and we went to shit from there. I played centre back for 30 years and when I could play I did, when I needed to punt it, I did. Its nearly every game with him now, time to ditch
Sorry but I’ve got to disagree. Mings for me was the best of the four tonight. Once again particularly in the 2nd half several players were poor. It’s unfair to single out Mings when everyone forward of him with the exception of Grealish didn’t perform
Your absolutely right on this. Mings seems to be the new Targett from last season, we don’t half love a fall guy! He got out muscled by wood and gave away a corner, so what it happens, Burnley had no Devine right to score from that corner. Konsa, got out muscled a few times in the 2nd half and no one picks that up. Mings had made unforced errors this season, but I think tonight and against Newcastle he’s playing percentages a lot more, and hitting the ball out of play when needed.
We outplayed them first half, continuing like we have done to play football I haven’t seen us play for a generation. Second half we had defensive lapses and at times lost second balls in midfield and gave away soft goals. It’s crap and disappointing, but shouldn’t detract from what we’ve done so far this season so far.
Top 6 is still possible, but we’d probably not be able to lose too many more games, but even if it ends up being say top 8 that would be an excellent season and platform for next year.
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We do still have it in us to collapse at times, Leeds and southampton cone to mind. All part of the learning curve. But the difference between finishing 6th and top 10 could make up jacks mind.
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
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It's so obvious we need another decent option up front, far more so than another midfielder.
Davis only seems to come on in desperation or if the game has been won.
Conceding 3 was worse than careless, especially when we were not really under the cosh at any stage and it was against a team that rarely score more than one goal.
Yes, they fought harder for the ball after the break, but it was nothing that was unexpected. It felt like we gifted them the game at both ends tonight.
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
2-1 actually! Having trouble with google search?
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It's so obvious we need another decent option up front, far more so than another midfielder.
He's on loan for the season at Solihull Moors.
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Tonight proved that even the most average PL sides can get a result against the better ones like us when we dip in our form. It’s a tough division. Burnley and Dyche have loads of experience and they used it. But we’ve done just that to other better sides this season. You have to play for the full 90 minutes and when you don’t you will lose at this level.
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
Say NO to drugs kids.
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Tonight has just proved that our journey to becoming champions isn’t linear.
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
2-1 actually! Having trouble with google search?
no at eighty years of age I’m not quite has sharp has I used to be but I remember winsand losses and I’ve seen villa teams win fa and league cups not to mention European so I know a good villa team when I see one and this group have some way to go
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
2-1 actually! Having trouble with google search?
You can't expect them to remember details of wins. Just checked his contributions. 7 posts spread over 4 match threads this season - Leeds, Brighton, West Ham, Burnley.
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It's so obvious we need another decent option up front, far more so than another midfielder.
He's on loan for the season at Solihull Moors.
Louie Barry? At least on the bench?
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As frustrating as the result is & a lost opportunity for 3 points against a shite team, we've come so far so quickly it's hard to be too harsh on them. There's far more positives than negatives about the club, management & players.
A year ago we were as good as relegated.
A year before that we lost 3-0 at Wigan & looked a poor championship side.
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Can we block him. The last thing we need is a troll giving it the big one tonight.
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That’s very honest by Dean. We’ve done such a good job this season from winning positions and tonight was the first time we didn’t see the job through. But this will happen across a season. Even for the very best teams and we are not one of them yet. This is part of our evolution. The contrast between last season and this is incredible but we still have a good way to go to be a top 6 side. What we are seeing is the makings of one but along the way we will have setbacks. And that includes less the perfect performances from our players in a game or a series of games. Tonight was one of the best first halves we’ve put together followed by one of the worst. And that’s the first time that’s happened since Leeds. And even Leeds was an average first half.
I’m just not going to panic about time but have every right to be disappointed because we did toss three points away headed into three more difficult games.
Fully agree with this.
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It's so obvious we need another decent option up front, far more so than another midfielder.
He's on loan for the season at Solihull Moors.
Louie Barry? At least on the bench?
He's nowhere near physically ready
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It's so obvious we need another decent option up front, far more so than another midfielder.
He's on loan for the season at Solihull Moors.
Louie Barry? At least on the bench?
No.
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It's so obvious we need another decent option up front, far more so than another midfielder.
He's on loan for the season at Solihull Moors.
Louie Barry? At least on the bench?
He's nowhere near physically ready
At all.
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Gutted by that result I guess it’s just a sign of how far we’ve come . To lead twice and come away with nothing hurts but we still have half a season to go so I’ll try not to get to too down but damn this football club knows how to kick you in the nuts.
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Gutted by that result I guess it’s just a sign of how far we’ve come . To lead twice and come away with nothing hurts but we still have half a season to go so I’ll try not to get to too down but damn this football club knows how to kick you in the nuts.
Over the years this club has smashed me in the nuts that often I'm still not sure how I had kids.
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Nice of the BBC to put Sean Dyche's interview up twice, the clowns.
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Considering we were pretty much down last season and the fact we scraped up against all the odds ( incredible odds) I think we should take stock and just look how far we have come - and how bloody good we are.
Yes, just looking at the first half we should have buried them.
But....and but it’s only half a season in a mad mad season.
We ain’t do too badly.
I’m probably one of the most miserable bas*%rds on here.
But loving this season.
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It's so obvious we need another decent option up front, far more so than another midfielder.
He's on loan for the season at Solihull Moors.
Louie Barry? At least on the bench?
No.
Give him chance
In about 3 to 4 years hopefully
Not in the squad tonight in the loss to Notts County
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
2-1 actually! Having trouble with google search?
no at eighty years of age I’m not quite has sharp has I used to be but I remember winsand losses and I’ve seen villa teams win fa and league cups not to mention European so I know a good villa team when I see one and this group have some way to go
And not forgetting we won the league in 82. Guess you've seen a lot of change at Villa Park in all those years.
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
Again, we?
The Dingles drew at Burnley. Off you pop champ.
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Nice of the BBC to put Sean Dyche's interview up twice, the clowns.
They checked the box by having interviews with the managers of teams that play in claret and blue.
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
Shows how much of a Villa fan you are - we won 2-1. I'm not going on the result shown on the BBC Sport website or in the newspapers, I was there !
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
Again, we?
The Dingles drew at Burnley. Off you pop champ.
They’ll be popping corks over at the Mix and SHA. Finally a Villa loss to fuel their fires and keep the conversation going about their biggest obsession.
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And Sheffield United go and win at Old Trafford. Once again they managed to discover some form in time for our visit and let Sheff fkn United beat them. It's so bloody frustrating. I can forget nights like tonight if we can just beat them later this season. Surely we can do it this season? We're better than we have been for years and they are erratic at best.
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Absolutely gutted, the draw at VP was hard to take, but today's result takes it up several levels, can't remember the last time we put in such a quality 1st half performance, to then go onto lose the match. One thing I've not happy with Dean is his failure to make subs earlier, today's a good example, Trez and El Ghazi should have been bought on a lot earlier.
Anyway will have forgetten, hopefully, this disaster, when I wake up tomorrow morning and it's up to us now to put it right against the Saints
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In the ever-relevant words of Will from the Inbetweeners:
"Burnley can fuck off."
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
2-1 actually! Having trouble with google search?
no at eighty years of age I’m not quite has sharp has I used to be but I remember winsand losses and I’ve seen villa teams win fa and league cups not to mention European so I know a good villa team when I see one and this group have some way to go
And not forgetting we won the league in 82. Guess you've seen a lot of change at Villa Park in all those years.
Certainly have since I saw my first villa Park Match in1947 it’s been a real roller coaster ride the highs have been very high and the lows we’ll need I say any more.
I do believe we are now in good hands in fact has good has when Dugdale and co took over from the Nomansells.
But I do believe we are expecting an awful lot in a short period of time experience tells me you build firm foundations and what goes on top will be strong.
Has for tonight’s game I do feel we overplayed at times and the work rate drops we now have a reasonable group of players to keep us out of trouble but I think there is still work to be done before we can start talking about European football.
Believe me having been a fanatical supporter for a lifetime being referred to has this and that from some people on here really hurts just for giving an honest opinion.
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And Sheffield United go and win at Old Trafford. Once again they managed to discover some form in time for our visit and let Sheff fkn United beat them. It's so bloody frustrating. I can forget nights like tonight if we can just beat them later this season. Surely we can do it this season? We're better than we have been for years and they are erratic at best.
It’s a bloody mad season.
What were the odds for SU tonight?
We can still do a lot of damage this season.
Because we are a work in progress.
We ain’t even half the best we are we building towards.
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I am Spartacus. That team has the potential to be the equal of anything I have seen at whatever the name of the place is that we play since whenever it was I started supporting them.
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Nine total posts since registering.
Two after Leeds, two after Brighton, one after West Ham and the rest today.
Sure there is some sort of link between those games but I can't quite put my finger on it.
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Nine total posts since registering.
Two after Leeds, two after Brighton, one after West Ham and the rest today.
Sure there is some sort of link between those games but I can't quite put my finger on it.
I mean I was suspicious, but any self respecting neighbour would know we won the league in 81 and not 82. They know our hisotry in WV, B9 and West Birmingham.
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Sandwell.
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I know you can make statistics bend to how you want.....but with and without Barkley starting:
WITH
PLAYED: 9
WON: 4
DRAWN: 0
LOST: 5
SCORED: 19
CONCEDED: 16
POINTS: 12 from 27
WITHOUT
PLAYED: 9
WON: 5
DRAWN: 2
LOST: 2
SCORED: 14
CONCEDED: 5
POINTS: 17 from 27
Now this does include the Brighton game which wasn’t really hai fault but I think he’s looked well off the pace since his return, and I think he was anonymous in our defeats to Leeds and Southampton before that.
Outside the Liverpool game he has a great goal v Leicester and a single assist v Arsenal.
If Sanson is fit to start, I’d have him in Saturday
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Nine total posts since registering.
Two after Leeds, two after Brighton, one after West Ham and the rest today.
Sure there is some sort of link between those games but I can't quite put my finger on it.
I mean I was suspicious, but any self respecting neighbour would know we won the league in 81 and not 82. They know our hisotry in WV, B9 and West Birmingham.
You spotted my trap then? But he didn't. Could be his age. He's over 80 you know.
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We have the funds to keep progressing though
We're better this year not because everybody is dire, but because we're much better.
We've signed a Champions League midfielder, we'll like as not do the same in July/August again. Good chance of Europe League.
what was the score at Burnley last year?oh yes I remember wo won 3-1
2-1 actually! Having trouble with google search?
no at eighty years of age I’m not quite has sharp has I used to be but I remember winsand losses and I’ve seen villa teams win fa and league cups not to mention European so I know a good villa team when I see one and this group have some way to go
And not forgetting we won the league in 82. Guess you've seen a lot of change at Villa Park in all those years.
Certainly have since I saw my first villa Park Match in1947 it’s been a real roller coaster ride the highs have been very high and the lows we’ll need I say any more.
I do believe we are now in good hands in fact has good has when Dugdale and co took over from the Nomansells.
But I do believe we are expecting an awful lot in a short period of time experience tells me you build firm foundations and what goes on top will be strong.
Has for tonight’s game I do feel we overplayed at times and the work rate drops we now have a reasonable group of players to keep us out of trouble but I think there is still work to be done before we can start talking about European football.
Believe me having been a fanatical supporter for a lifetime being referred to has this and that from some people on here really hurts just for giving an honest opinion.
Doug ? Herbert ? Sir Douglas ? Doug ! Doug !
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Disappointed but not despondent about tonight
Compared to where we were a year ago the whole club has been transformed
I’m looking at this season as being a stepping stone to the top, and the art of putting games out of the reach of our opponents when we are dominating is all part of the learning curve
It’s why the teams at the top now have been there for the last few years
It’s not our strength at the moment because for the last decade we have rarely dominated matches
So disappointed at a lost opportunity - yes but despondent - no
Sums it up for me. Left the live coverage at 70 mins and did some serious effing and jeffing when the result came through. First time this season I've been seriously pissed off as I feel we're ahead of schedule so have been sanguine about the setbacks thus far. After a couple of hours reflection I agree with Cilve and let's see what the rest of the season brings*. Fair play to Burnley on their result and hope they stay up now.
*Having said that, after a dry January that I did crack open the birthday rum a few hours early.
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I know you can make statistics bend to how you want.....but with and without Barkley starting:
WITH
PLAYED: 9
WON: 4
DRAWN: 0
LOST: 5
SCORED: 19
CONCEDED: 16
POINTS: 12 from 27
WITHOUT
PLAYED: 9
WON: 5
DRAWN: 2
LOST: 2
SCORED: 14
CONCEDED: 5
POINTS: 17 from 27
Now this does include the Brighton game which wasn’t really hai fault but I think he’s looked well off the pace since his return, and I think he was anonymous in our defeats to Leeds and Southampton before that.
Outside the Liverpool game he has a great goal v Leicester and a single assist v Arsenal.
If Sanson is fit to start, I’d have him in Saturday
Stats are interesting but he was tremendous in the first half. He did his job helping to get us in the lead. Probably should have brought Nakamba on at 2-1 up and seen the game out.
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Anyway it's all Footy-Vill's fault for jinxing us and pointing out we'd won every game this season after scoring first. Once Ollie scored I should have known we were done for. ;)
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Let’s face it we were miles the better team and took our foot off the gas. Important lesson to learn, but 9 out of 10 times we win that game and hopefully ultimately we’ll be better for the experience.
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We were purring in that 1st half the football was so good.
2nd half they appeared to become more direct and the Villa midfield under-performed. McGinn became anonymous, Luiz a little less so and Barkley ineffective.
Whereas we had been dominating the pace of the game we let this slip to our cost.
Imo Mings should have been awarded a free-kick for a shirt pull in the tousle near the bye-line for their corner resulting in a goal.
Zonal marking isn't working in those situations costing us goals. I thought Traore and Jack both tracked back well especially first half, but if we're playing with 2 holding midfielders to accommodate Barkley, surely they should be offering support also (Luiz to Cash and McGinn to Targett) and this element is missing for me. Subs once it went to 2-2 might have been an idea.
We are a greatly improved team and lovely to watch when in full flow. Burnley is a horrible hunting ground for us and when we do manage to win there we lose 2 key players (Wesley long-term).
Sometimes games just don't go our way, but there were many positives about tonight not least the 1st 45mins. Onto the next game and UTV!
Btw I would hate it if Dyche was ever our manager.
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Fuck the northern kit stealers stealing a place in the league. And Burnley is a shithole
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Anyway it's all Footy-Vill's fault for jinxing us and pointing out we'd won every game this season after scoring first.
Our record of winning every game where we score more goals than the opposition is still intact.
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i’m blaming that new player Sanson
Never saw him do anything all night
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We were purring in that 1st half the football was so good.
2nd half they appeared to become more direct and the Villa midfield under-performed. McGinn became anonymous, Luiz a little less so and Barkley ineffective.
Whereas we had been dominating the pace of the game we let this slip to our cost.
Imo Mings should have been awarded a free-kick for a shirt pull in the tousle near the bye-line for their corner resulting in a goal.
Zonal marking isn't working in those situations costing us goals. I thought Traore and Jack both tracked back well especially first half, but if we're playing with 2 holding midfielders to accommodate Barkley, surely they should be offering support also (Luiz to Cash and McGinn to Targett) and this element is missing for me. Subs once it went to 2-2 might have been an idea.
We are a greatly improved team and lovely to watch when in full flow. Burnley is a horrible hunting ground for us and when we do manage to win there we lose 2 key players (Wesley long-term).
Sometimes games just don't go our way, but there were many positives about tonight not least the 1st 45mins. Onto the next game and UTV!
Btw I would hate it if Dyche was ever our manager.
This👍
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Anyone remember when Wimbledon shithoused their way to survival for a few years after they got into the top flight in the mid 80’s? Initially we were their regular whipping boys before we got the measure of them. It feels a bit like that when we play Burnley.
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Burnley are horrible to watch. But fair play to Dyche, he adjusted his team and tactics and outmanoeuvred Smith.
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Looking for a bit of solace I looked the the match stats something I don't normally do. We smashed them in every category apart from two. The fouls committed one read them 16 us 7. The other one was goals scored.
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We were excellent at times tonight, the build up play for the first goal was perfection. Jack was sublime at times, he is going to score a Puskas worldview at some point this season.
We need to take our chances and put that game to bed. Their second goal was weak, but we will learn from our mistakes and keep improving.
Wouldn't swap this version of Villa for any other team right now.
UTV
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Traore is superb going forward but needs to be better tracking back, we can’t expect Cash to raid forward and not get reciprocal support in defence...just needs to work harder com in g back because he’s a very good player. Oh, and also needs better decisions
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Just watched again on MOTD. Needs to replace Traore ASAP. I saw him just ambling back and giving Cash no help at all. I’ve noticed that since Traore has been in the team, the opponents definitely play down our right hand side. No coincidence that and one of the main things that needs to be resolved quickly. Hopefully, Sanson can provide better than we have at present. It’s ok for Traore to score the odd goal but, for a midfielder, he is shocking on his defensive side of the game.
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We took the piss and toyed with them but snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Be more ruthless Villa, then it all looks really sexy! Stop being so casual, drives me mad.
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I'm going to say it but we need to get ready for life post Jack as he off after this season.
Who told you this ?
Why is he going ?
Where is he going ?
For how much ?
Must admit Grealish did look like he was having a bit of a chunter at Smith when he walked off.
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1354519940703907853?s=19
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I'm going to say it but we need to get ready for life post Jack as he off after this season.
Who told you this ?
Why is he going ?
Where is he going ?
For how much ?
Must admit Grealish did look like he was having a bit of a chunter at Smith when he walked off.
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1354519940703907853?s=19
Not how how see it at all.All his ire is directed at Woan.
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Didn’t see the match as it kicked off at 04.00 here and I can never be arsed to watch it if we lose. The guardian match reporter might have been watching a different game to a lot of posters on here. They made it sound like a very entertaining match. Hopefully Sanson gives us another option now when we need a goal or 2
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Something went wrong after Jack’s goal and somebody, or a collective of somebodies, switched off.
2 goals in 3 minutes is woeful team play from a team that has been mainly fantastic this season, with weird stumbles where we haven’t expected them, like tonight.
I hope the coaches have more idea than I do and can put it right!
Sansom is a wonderful signing, but I don’t want to hang everything on his joining the team, because we should have beaten this lot on recent previous form.
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All in all they where better than us, hard to deny that IMO. Stll we are on the up and are often lovley to watch and we are a good mid table team with and xiting future. I m ok with that taking last ten years into consideration. And we did outplay Newcastle last week :).
I'll deny it. They're god-awful crap, and if football had to rely on their typical fare to survive as a spectator sport, it'd die on its arse. Better than us. Fucking heard everything now.
Anybody who thinks that they weren't better than us in the second half was watching a different game.
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Very disappointing to lose a game we should have won .However as we all know, if you fail to take your chances more often than not you pay for it .Also after seeing the Burnley goals,really poor defending for the first and third Burnley goals .Why Konsa and Mings always seem to mark space and leave the likes of McGinn ,Targett and Luiz to mark the other sides best headers is costing a lot of goals
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Second half we made silly errors and were simply too naive. First half we played some fantastic stuff but got a bit too over-confident when we need to be ruthless. For now it’s just hard to shake the feeling we’ve been utterly mugged. And we helped the mugger.
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Anyway it's all Footy-Vill's fault for jinxing us and pointing out we'd won every game this season after scoring first. Once Ollie scored I should have known we were done for. ;)
i take full responsibility. I predicted 2-0 Villa. At least I got the 2 right and one of the scorers. I really shouldn’t do it! I’m not daft enough to actually believe it in any way affects the result. But always feel a bit of a dick predicting the score and getting it spectacularly wrong!
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Jack was angry and rightfully so. I like Dean Smith but he is very re-active, not making changes until he has no choice. Traore did nothing second half and should have been replaced early, all Burnleys threat came from crosses into the box but he didn't strengthen. All credit to Dyche he was pro-active and made changes and turned a team that was second to every ball into a winning side.
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Hard to be critical when we remember where we were for the last 10 years or more, but constructive criticism is fair.
We should convert more of the chances we make, our game management has improved but last night was not a good example of that.
Anyway move on.
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I'm going to say it but we need to get ready for life post Jack as he off after this season.
Who told you this ?
Why is he going ?
Where is he going ?
For how much ?
Must admit Grealish did look like he was having a bit of a chunter at Smith when he walked off.
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1354519940703907853?s=19
Cue conspiracy theories that someone has been blowing in Jack's ear and he is manufacturing a fall out.
Not happening.
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Did not see the game - but heard the comments from Rambo on sky sports - seemed as though the 1st half we should have been out of sight but 2nd Half Burnley were far the better team
With regards to Jack - for me he is here to the summer, and then we will see if we can match his ambition, not sure if playing for a team outside of the Champions League is going to match his ambitions (but lets hope we can persuade him to stay for next season), i realise that he has signed a long term contract but in reality that means not a lot.
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I hope jack was pissed off, i hope they all were pissed off after that second half.
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Jack was reacting to something Woan said by the looks of it. If anything Dean Smith is telling him to not bother talking to him. I like it when he reacts at times like the other night when being pissed off for been subbed. Shows he cares so much.
On reflection not a great night considering we were leading twice but some people have got short memories. Remember when we were last in this league fighting to stay up but knowing ultimately we would be relegated. Defeat after defeat. Poorly ran. Now we’ve got great owners and optimism.
It’s a learning experience and where we are now is brilliant for me. Progression takes time.
The football we are playing at times is so good to watch. Yes we’re making mistakes and like last night they’ll lead to defeats but let’s have a bit of realism here. We could have beaten Fulham and gone up with old built up shoes still owning the club and with Bruce in charge. We didn’t and thank god all that came to light.
In short we’re doing great. Let’s enjoy it.
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We just need to be more ruthless in the final third.
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We just need to be more ruthless in the final third.
we was poor in both penalty boxes - not a good recipe for winning a game.
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Result aside it was a fantastic game of football.
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How can anyone say they were the better team second half? They were gifted three goals but we still dominated possession and had the more chances
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I can't believe we lost that game. Only 1 point from two games against Burnley when we dominated both games.
Nothing else to say, still pissed off.
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A blip. Must have been a good watch for the neutrals, we were sublime at times and Burnley's resilience is to be admired.. Take the lessons and move on. It will help us grow long term, let's put it right on Saturday.
As an aside, my 20 (yes 20!) year old son was purring in the first half..."We are so good" he said "I've never seen a Villa team play like this in the premier league) - so I think we are on the right trajectory.
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We are going to give someone a right spanking soon.....
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Just watched again on MOTD. Needs to replace Traore ASAP. I saw him just ambling back and giving Cash no help at all. I’ve noticed that since Traore has been in the team, the opponents definitely play down our right hand side. No coincidence that and one of the main things that needs to be resolved quickly. Hopefully, Sanson can provide better than we have at present. It’s ok for Traore to score the odd goal but, for a midfielder, he is shocking on his defensive side of the game.
I get the point about Traore. As I said I haven’t bothered watching this one, but in fairness I thought he looked a lot more willing to put a defensive shift in against noocassul. Not great, but he did look like he was kind of following instructions. If you’ve maybe never had to do that before it might take a bit of getting used to. If I was Cash though, I’d be reminding him every time until he starts doing it off his own bat.
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Jacks going to score one of those runs soon. He could have had 2 GOTS contenders already.
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How can anyone say they were the better team second half? They were gifted three goals but we still dominated possession and had the more chances
Absolutely. Burnley barely came into the final third. They just went ultra dark age football and on the 4 occasions they came in our box, they scored. Naive defending for the headers and as for the cross for the 2nd, just speechless.
We have battered them over 180 minutes and taken 1 point. I cant fathom it. I cannot fathom the credit that diabolical brand of football receives either.
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So frustrating again but it has been already been said. We’re losing games and valuable points time and time again to defensive lapses and being incredibly wasteful in font of goal after we have totally dominated an opposition.
It’s infuriating but I truly believe if we could a get quality striker in during the summer we could be on the cusp of something very special with this squad.
It’s an absolute must.
It will be a very long time before we see a team this good for a while if we don’t, as I fear Grealish will seek trophies somewhere else.
We can’t let this opportunity slip through our fingers.
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How can anyone say they were the better team second half? They were gifted three goals but we still dominated possession and had the more chances
Absolutely. Burnley barely came into the final third. They just went ultra dark age football and on the 4 occasions they came in our box, they scored. Naive defending for the headers and as for the cross for the 2nd, just speechless.
We have battered them over 180 minutes and taken 1 point. I cant fathom it. I cannot fathom the credit that diabolical brand of football receives either.
jwarry. They were the better team second half because they `gifted` two less goals than us.
Ads. I don't think anybody is giving them credit apart from the 4 points credited to them in the points column.
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As Dion Dublin pointed out on MOTD, Burnley's one player with a bit of flair, Dwight McNeill, had the run of our right hand side in the second half (though not "all night" as Dublin said). Trez for Traore had to be the change at 2-2 at the latest. Smith's in-game changes are one of his weaknesses. He's not pro-active enough.
I have found it odd that Smith has made a point in his pressers recently talking of Traore's work without the ball being his most impressive attribute. He's improved a bit but it's still by far the worst part of his game !
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Hard to fathom how we didn't win that with something to spare on the balance of play and chances created. We did play excellent football for a lot of that game. But Burnley did pick up in the second half, Luiz was poor throughout really but McGinn disappeared. Cork gave them more of a foothold in midfield. Aside from conceding three goals, biggest moan for me was the age old problem of the timing of Deanos subs. At 2-1 up, those subs should be made. Traore was squandering numerous openings and Barkley was running out of gas. Making those subs at 82mins when 3-2 down is not giving AEG and Trez much of a chance. Throwing Davis on seemed to push Jack to a holding midfielder role. That's ridiculous.
Martinez 5 - maybe harsh but I wasn't happy with him for the second or third goals. His centre halves did him no favour for the second one but his footwork was slow for their winner.
Cash 5 - a popular player on here but continues to be average defensively for me. Found McNeill a real problem in the second half
Konsa 6 - out of position for the second goal and struggled a bit with the physicality of it at times
Mings 7 - one of his better games but not happy at all with him for the second goal, for me he half bottled out of diving at that cross to avoid an own goal
Targett 7 - beaten in the air for the winner which spoiled a fine performance, another assist. Took wrong option with that shot in first half
Luiz 5 - complete passenger first half, not at the pace of game at all. Loose touches, very rarely tried to get the ball from the back and beaten in many physical exchanges
McGinn 6 - decent first half (his ball put Watkins clear didn't it?) but totally anonymous after half time. Needs to up it
Traore 6 - squandered so many chances and openings. An enigma really and should have been hooked at least 10 mins earlier
Barkley 6 - much better than last two games, ball hogging as always but influential and very unlucky to hit bar. Tired and hooked a little too late
Jack 9 - best player in the league, we completely mismanaged his role last 10 mins.
Watkins 8 - brilliant for most of the game before tiring late on. Lovely finish, poor effort on the one on one but always a threat
Subs AEG looked lively but not given enough time. Trez hardly had a kick and poor old Davis first touch was horrid
Surely Luiz deserves credit for a fantastic assist for Grealish.
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We'd have benefitted from Trez coming on early second half, and Barkley being replaced with Ramsey not long after.
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It's so obvious we need another decent option up front, far more so than another midfielder.
He's on loan for the season at Solihull Moors.
Louie Barry? At least on the bench?
He's nowhere near physically ready
Barry, Archer or Davis are not ready/good enough. I'm not sure Wesley ever will be either. If we're aiming for top eight we need someone proven and fit to help Watkins.
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I know you can make statistics bend to how you want.....but with and without Barkley starting:
WITH
PLAYED: 9
WON: 4
DRAWN: 0
LOST: 5
SCORED: 19
CONCEDED: 16
POINTS: 12 from 27
WITHOUT
PLAYED: 9
WON: 5
DRAWN: 2
LOST: 2
SCORED: 14
CONCEDED: 5
POINTS: 17 from 27
Now this does include the Brighton game which wasn’t really hai fault but I think he’s looked well off the pace since his return, and I think he was anonymous in our defeats to Leeds and Southampton before that.
Outside the Liverpool game he has a great goal v Leicester and a single assist v Arsenal.
If Sanson is fit to start, I’d have him in Saturday
Conversely, Watkins only scores when Barkley plays !
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Respect to the way Dean has turned things round (largely) since the re-start last June, but last night was a huge reality check. We are a long away from being a top ten side. what really pisses me off his brushing aside one antediluvian on Saturday and being out thought by another a few days later.
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We played some sublime football at times tonight and should have been out of sight at half time, gutted they won but thank fuck I don't watch a team every week that lumps it high and long hoping for flick ons and second balls.
We were lumping it up too Ollie for some god forsaken reason, maybe to give the lads a breather but it was the first time this season I've seen us do it often. It wasn't as if we were under pressure but it certainly helped create it and gave Burnley a bit of confidence.
I still think we're missing some quality up front, other than Ollie who could do with some real support. Traore still doesn't convince me, Trez is a workhorse and El Ghazi's overall contribution is still not enough to be first choice. All three are great for the bench. Jack's game goes through phases, early on often too deep, late on wanting to take on the world and in between generally fighting it out in midfield and trying to break forward. I do wonder whether we'd as a team be better with him playing closer to Ollie and floating across wherever he sees the space and opportunity to hurt teams.
As I mentioned on the Match thread, another rule I never knew was it's now legal to pull shirts; Mings had his pulled in full view of the ref yet Burnley get a corner. As others have said zonal marking is pointless especially against big, physical teams like Burnley. Subs were too late, maybe Marvelous could have come on to steady the midfield, throwing on Trez and El Ghazi so late on was desperate and asking for a miracle.
We'll need to be at our best for 90 minutes if we're to pick up 3 points against Southampton. We all know we're capable of it which makes losing to fcuking Burnley even more annoying.
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Respect to the way Dean has turned things round (largely) since the re-start last June, but last night was a huge reality check. We are a long away from being a top ten side. what really pisses me off his brushing aside one antediluvian on Saturday and being out thought by another a few days later.
We are literally in the top ten with games in hand on all bar two teams in the league.
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I thought we might need to be two goals clear by 70 mins, as we'd probably tire and let in a consolation goal. Their first equaliser was a wake up call and their second (jammy) was a gut punch.
I know we've had a settled side, but I do hope to see Trez and Marv back in the starting line up. I don't think our front four works hard enough without the ball. I love McGinn but one great clipped ball aside I thought he was poor yesterday.
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We'd have benefitted from Trez coming on early second half, and Barkley being replaced with Ramsey not long after.
Absolutely.
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We are brilliant even when we lose now
Although that’s an opportunity lost we would be right in the mix if we’d have won last night
We can moan about Burnley style of play all we like but breaking them down wasn’t the problem last night we scored two
It was conceding three at the other end that was the problem
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Respect to the way Dean has turned things round (largely) since the re-start last June, but last night was a huge reality check. We are a long away from being a top ten side. what really pisses me off his brushing aside one antediluvian on Saturday and being out thought by another a few days later.
out thought ? I think that we just got lazy thinking that the game would win itself and it cost us...
from where we were a year ago to here now is brilliant and we are a lovely football team to watch(that Grealish run along the bye line was amazing) and apart from the result, I thougt it was a great game.
onwards to Southampton nil :)
UTV
The Doc
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We'd have benefitted from Trez coming on early second half, and Barkley being replaced with Ramsey not long after.
I would have personally brought Marvelous on for Barkley and pushed McGinn a bit further forward.
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Jack is being quoted as saying we need to start putting our chances away to finish teams off. This is spot on. Our defensive record is great this season so it just seems unfair when people are pointing the finger of blame at them whe so many chances are going begging at the other end. Jack himself would have scored one of our greatest ever goals if he could have just composed himself a bit better after his brilliant run. I dont think there's a player anywhere who could of made that run under such intense pressure from a team who we all know would have no qualms about inflicting serious damage if they could get near him.
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Respect to the way Dean has turned things round (largely) since the re-start last June, but last night was a huge reality check. We are a long away from being a top ten side.
We are literally in the top ten with games in hand on all bar two teams in the league.
And we haven't been out of the top 10 all season. Strange comment.
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We have repeated problems down our right side and that has to be addressed. Last night gives us the opportunity to change things for Saturday and one player I would certainly have back is Trez due to his impressive work rate in the first half of the season before his injury. He is not as creative as Bert but then we need to tighten up so that's the one change I'd make. I'd like to see Samson (sic) on the bench to give us a different option. I really like Barcley but there were a couple of occasions last night when he failed to tackle or close down a player in midfield during the second half when we were under pressure, an accusation levelled at Hourihane on here regularly.
Sometimes we need to really dig in to get the win and last night I thought we were found wanting in that respect.
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Respect to the way Dean has turned things round (largely) since the re-start last June, but last night was a huge reality check. We are a long away from being a top ten side. what really pisses me off his brushing aside one antediluvian on Saturday and being out thought by another a few days later.
Out thought? With respect that's rubbish mate. Yes Burnley stepped up the pace and got stuck in more in the second half but that's not about out thinking us. Dyche's half time speech probably went along the lines of "come on lads get stuck into these fancy dan fukkers" They flunked one and got two very Burnley like goals. Out muscled us yes but out thought? No way.
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3 really shit goals.
Unmarked on a corner, there was another Burnley player gith behind him too, so it was 2 unmarked players in a row. Poor.
Jammy, cross, shit house, goes all the way in with no one attacking the ball on our side. Shit.
Overload on the right hand side, uncontested cross, good header.
3 wanker goals and poor defending for all 3 really on different scales.
Oh and can we not bother bringing on Davis when we need a goal. He's useless.
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Respect to the way Dean has turned things round (largely) since the re-start last June, but last night was a huge reality check. We are a long away from being a top ten side.
We are literally in the top ten with games in hand on all bar two teams in the league.
And we haven't been out of the top 10 all season. Strange comment.
We are now without doubt a bona fide top ten team. At times when it all clicks we have even the best teams on the rack even in spells against Man City. We have to turn more of these spells into goals. That's the next challenge. But after years of stinking out the Premier league we now look totally like a team that belongs in the top ten and have serious intentions of improving on that. It will come. I think some of our lot need to reflect on 10+ years of crap and be a little more patient. After all Rome wasn't built in a day.
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If we start being more clinical, particularly the midfielders, then we can make a concerted effort on top 6.
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If we start being more clinical, particularly the midfielders, then we can make a concerted effort on top 6.
I agree with this. I mean West Ham are sitting top 4 so why not? Between them and VAR we were mugged at their place.
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The problems
Corners
Our Right side
Barkley running out of gas
Poor game management
When you are so much the better team you should win, last night we were a shambles in the second half.
Some of these are recurring and Smith needs to sort it out.
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Morning all. Calmed down as was raging for the first time in years last night which shows how far this team has come in terms of progress.
The bottom line is that the top teams, when on top, put the opposition to the sword whilst their foot is on the throat. We need to be doing that as we should have been 3 or 4 up at half time. City on Tuesday night is the perfect example.
Hause is a good option for these types of games as he wins heades every time for anything that's close to him. We desperately need another striker, Davis' time has come and gone and it now seems Wesley wont be fit until next season as he needs a pre season.
Anyway, would have been delighted with 29 points at this stage of the season four months ago so we go on!
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That felt like the Stoke 2-2.
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That felt like the Stoke 2-2.
Ah, don't remind me, I'm still not over it.
As comfortable an 80 minutes as I've witnessed at Villa Park and then... Is that the Top 4 leaving the building?
You're right. Last night felt as sick as that.
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12 hours on and having slept on it, I still can't believe that really happened. While Burnley are fairly low down on my 'what to like' list, they have a manager who knows how to battle through with a bunch of fairly average players (except McNeil who looked pretty sharp last night). With the games in hand I'm always anticipating that extra push to get us amongst the big boys so the pundits don't just simply ignore us (see West Ham 4th but with 20 games, which is where we could be), so last night was particularly galling - can't even moan about VAR, dodgy decisions or brutal tackles - OK, maybe Tarkovsky. This makes the Southampton game pretty crucial to our upward aspirations.
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It’s extremely gutting to play so well and lose that and it’s a case of learning from it. I’d rather focus on how good we can be and how good we are too watch and remember how far we have come on this season than to keep dwelling on the negatives from that second half. There’s not a lot wrong really. The back four have been pretty damn good up to now, but they really did struggle with Burnley’s direct approach last night.
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Over two games 45 goal attempts and 1 point. Must be a record.
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I’m over in the States with work at the moment and have just woken up.
First thing I did was to check the score to see if it was real or not. I simply cannot believe that we threw away the game yesterday.
If there’s one team I hate, it’s Burnley. Possibly due to what that bastard Mee did and got away with. Yet again, we needed to be more clinical. They rely on Pope to get themselves out of trouble far too much. Our defenders switched off too, I think our partnership between Konsa and Hause looked good and when Hause recovers, I’d like to see him get another go.
Either way, this defeat hurts.
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Bogey teams come and go, expect for Newton Heath perhaps.
I remember Notts County being a particular pain in the arse, Wimbledon, Oldham, Palace.
Perhaps we have a new one in Burnley given the last two games agin them.
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The galling thing about the goal from the corner was that there were two Burnley players attacking the ball against none of ours. You play all that silky, sexy football and then throw it away for a shittily won corner (Wood outmuscled Mings but he also could have been penalised for shirt-pulling) and a simple unmarked header.
I also blame Conor McNamara...he was on about the commentators curse in another recent Villa game he covered. First he bangs on about Villa never giving up a lead this season and Burnley never coming from behind to win (to which Stephen Warnock rightly poured scorn over) and secondly, just as Burnley won that corner (typically, it was their first of the game) he was waxing lyrical about how better we were playing. Just shut the fcuk up in future Conor or even better, stay away from our games. Clive Tyldesley is still weeping somewhere about being dumped by ITV, bring him in out of the cold and see how he does.
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The galling thing about the goal from the corner was that there were two Burnley players attacking the ball against none of ours. You play all that silky, sexy football and then throw it away for a shittily won corner (Wood outmuscled Mings but he also could have been penalised for shirt-pulling) and a simple unmarked header.
I also blame Conor McNamara...he was on about the commentators curse in another recent Villa game he covered. First he bangs on about Villa never giving up a lead this season and Burnley never coming from behind to win (to which Stephen Warnock rightly poured scorn over) and secondly, just as Burnley won that corner (typically, it was their first of the game) he was waxing lyrical about how better we were playing. Just shut the fcuk up in future Conor or even better, stay away from our games. Clive Tyldesley is still weeping somewhere about being dumped by ITV, bring him in out of the cold and see how he does.
I'm glad you've nailed it eamonn. People can now get off Tyrone, Barkley and Traore's backs. It was Conor McNamara's fault.
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The galling thing about the goal from the corner was that there were two Burnley players attacking the ball against none of ours.
I half watched one of their games about a month back (not 100% sure who against, possibly Wolves) and this was a definitive corner kick tactic if theres, somebody close enough to block the keeper coming out, runners blocking off the better headerers so that Mee and Tarkowski can attack the far end of the 6 yard box together. They won headers on almost every corner doing this.
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Hard to fathom how we didn't win that with something to spare on the balance of play and chances created. We did play excellent football for a lot of that game. But Burnley did pick up in the second half, Luiz was poor throughout really but McGinn disappeared. Cork gave them more of a foothold in midfield. Aside from conceding three goals, biggest moan for me was the age old problem of the timing of Deanos subs. At 2-1 up, those subs should be made. Traore was squandering numerous openings and Barkley was running out of gas. Making those subs at 82mins when 3-2 down is not giving AEG and Trez much of a chance. Throwing Davis on seemed to push Jack to a holding midfielder role. That's ridiculous.
Martinez 5 - maybe harsh but I wasn't happy with him for the second or third goals. His centre halves did him no favour for the second one but his footwork was slow for their winner.
Cash 5 - a popular player on here but continues to be average defensively for me. Found McNeill a real problem in the second half
Konsa 6 - out of position for the second goal and struggled a bit with the physicality of it at times
Mings 7 - one of his better games but not happy at all with him for the second goal, for me he half bottled out of diving at that cross to avoid an own goal
Targett 7 - beaten in the air for the winner which spoiled a fine performance, another assist. Took wrong option with that shot in first half
Luiz 5 - complete passenger first half, not at the pace of game at all. Loose touches, very rarely tried to get the ball from the back and beaten in many physical exchanges
McGinn 6 - decent first half (his ball put Watkins clear didn't it?) but totally anonymous after half time. Needs to up it
Traore 6 - squandered so many chances and openings. An enigma really and should have been hooked at least 10 mins earlier
Barkley 6 - much better than last two games, ball hogging as always but influential and very unlucky to hit bar. Tired and hooked a little too late
Jack 9 - best player in the league, we completely mismanaged his role last 10 mins.
Watkins 8 - brilliant for most of the game before tiring late on. Lovely finish, poor effort on the one on one but always a threat
Subs AEG looked lively but not given enough time. Trez hardly had a kick and poor old Davis first touch was horrid
Surely Luiz deserves credit for a fantastic assist for Grealish.
Perhaps, would prefer him to be sticking to his task more though as the holding midfielder. Not courageous enough with or without the ball last night for me. Also if Cash needs help, surely Luiz should be spotting that and dealing with it. Two poor games back to back from him.
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Bogey teams come and go, expect for Newton Heath perhaps.
I remember Notts County being a particular pain in the arse, Wimbledon, Oldham, Palace.
Perhaps we have a new one in Burnley given the last two games agin them.
Boro
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Still can't believe we lost it. Makes me feel sick thinking how we managed to pull that off. Thought Luiz and Traore were not in it for long enough with Barkley having a so so game too. I want to say great things about us after the first half but it's all soured by what happened in the 2nd half. jack can hold his head high though, he was outstanding.
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The galling thing about the goal from the corner was that there were two Burnley players attacking the ball against none of ours.
I half watched one of their games about a month back (not 100% sure who against, possibly Wolves) and this was a definitive corner kick tactic if theres, somebody close enough to block the keeper coming out, runners blocking off the better headerers so that Mee and Tarkowski can attack the far end of the 6 yard box together. They won headers on almost every corner doing this.
I hadn't noticed that before but you're right and it would appear our coaching staff missed this or are relying on zonal marking to deal with it.We had nobody even marking Mee & Tarkowski and Targett trying to stop Woods for their winner. Burnley are obviously using this ploy when they play teams that rely on zonal marking. As good as our defending has been this season this is clearly a problem area that needs addressing. This quote fro Dean Smith is quite telling:
"the attacking play was what I expect with the quality of players we have. What I don't expect is the defending for their goals"
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Respect to the way Dean has turned things round (largely) since the re-start last June, but last night was a huge reality check. We are a long away from being a top ten side. what really pisses me off his brushing aside one antediluvian on Saturday and being out thought by another a few days later.
'Huge reality check' is a little strong. We are tenth right now.
We are still in transition - this time last year were about to dip into a horrible run of relegation-leading form. A feature of transitions is inconsistency (last Saturday vs last night) and 'bad luck' (refereeing in both Manchester games).
It will get better.
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If there’s one team I hate, it’s Burnley. Possibly due to what that bastard Mee did and got away with. Yet again, we needed to be more clinical. They rely on Pope to get themselves out of trouble far too much.
I dislike them too and probably for that reason. Hopefully, a proper team buys Pope in the summer and they get relegated next season. Still time for it this season too.
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If we are going to get a bigger, stronger squad - and Samson would appear to be a part of this - then Dean will have to change his mentality regarding substitutions. Having players on the bench who are as good as, or maybe even better, than those on the field should be used particularly when tiredness starts to come in or the opposition change their tactics and start to dominate areas of the field. This should have happened last night in respect of Barklay and Traore in particular but maybe others as well.
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Respect to the way Dean has turned things round (largely) since the re-start last June, but last night was a huge reality check. We are a long away from being a top ten side. what really pisses me off his brushing aside one antediluvian on Saturday and being out thought by another a few days later.
'Huge reality check' is a little strong. We are tenth right now.
We are still in transition - this time last year were about to dip into a horrible run of relegation-leading form. A feature of transitions is inconsistency (last Saturday vs last night) and 'bad luck' (refereeing in both Manchester games).
It will get better.
I would say "reality check" on our European daydreams. It can still very much happen, but even top ten is a triumph after last season.
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XG
Burnley 0.77 v 2.94 Villa
Says it all again. Need to be more clinical up front and that would negate the defensive stuff. That second goal was a freak and the others disappointing.
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Respect to the way Dean has turned things round (largely) since the re-start last June, but last night was a huge reality check. We are a long away from being a top ten side. what really pisses me off his brushing aside one antediluvian on Saturday and being out thought by another a few days later.
Why do you only ever come on here after matches we lose?
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I've just watched the highlights again. Put me off my lunch.
The 1st was shit and a recurrence of problems we've had before. Their 2nd was just a fluke and the 3rd was just one of them, could have done better but his header went in the only place it could have resulted in a goal.
As for Pope, great saves.
We looked great at times, really smooth.
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That felt like the Stoke 2-2.
Still think West Ham was worse with the missed penalty and then the VAR robbery at the end.
We came back strongly at Wolves nearly two weeks later so let's see if we can do the same at Southmapton, disciplined performance required even if it means we sacrifice a bit of attacking intent.
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A win there and we're at 32 at the turn. 3 less points than we got last season. Not bad, but there is definitely room for bolts to be tightened.
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The joys of following a football club.
Its like one big f*****g Meccano set.
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Why?
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out thought ? I think that we just got lazy thinking that the game would win itself and it cost us...
100% this
I also agree with another post - if you were neutral that was a cracking game of football - especially compared to that stagnant pile of shite at Chelsea
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Last night was a fucking pain and we shouldn’t have lost. That being said the overall standard of performance is really encouraging. We are consistently outplaying teams now and yesterday felt a bit like a cup upset. What we need to do is take the learnings from the game and ensure we don’t switch off like we did. Ultimately that painful lesson should benefit us in the long run and we really are developing an impressive side.
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Watching that 1st Burnley goal back again and it's Doug and Ross who switch off and lose the runners but I think the key thing is what Rodriguez does. He's clever and moves into Ezri's zone and behind him before the kick, he then stops Ezri moving back and being able to get a flick on the ball to turn it away. They all need to be more alive in situations like that as one lapse can undo so much good work.
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Why?
What would your punchline be if you were a professional joke writer, Si ?
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We seemed stuck in a repeating loop of going from the sublime to the ridiculous for long periods of the game.
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out thought ? I think that we just got lazy thinking that the game would win itself and it cost us...
100% this
I also agree with another post - if you were neutral that was a cracking game of football - especially compared to that stagnant pile of shite at Chelsea
One thing Villa need to learn is that ruthless edge to kill games while we can.
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Respect to the way Dean has turned things round (largely) since the re-start last June, but last night was a huge reality check. We are a long away from being a top ten side. what really pisses me off his brushing aside one antediluvian on Saturday and being out thought by another a few days later.
'Huge reality check' is a little strong. We are tenth right now.
We are still in transition - this time last year were about to dip into a horrible run of relegation-leading form. A feature of transitions is inconsistency (last Saturday vs last night) and 'bad luck' (refereeing in both Manchester games).
It will get better.
I would say "reality check" on our European daydreams. It can still very much happen, but even top ten is a triumph after last season.
Even if we lose on Saturday but get as many points in the 2nd half of the season as we did in the first that would leave Villa on 58 points. Very much top 10 and possibly in Europe, depending on where other teams finish.
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I hope that when we are let in to Villa Park again we learn to appreciate enterprising and exciting football and all you doomsayers don’t bother going...one reason we may be doing better is not hearing abuse every time the players try something that doesn’t come off.
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I hope that when we are let in to Villa Park again we learn to appreciate enterprising and exciting football and all you doomsayers don’t bother going...one reason we may be doing better is not hearing abuse every time the players try something that doesn’t come off.
This gives me an idea. We already have a family section so why not have a moaners section. Somewhere near the back where like minded people can moan about everything as much as they want without ruining the game for those poor souls surrounding them.
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Great idea, you could call it the David O'Leary section, where all of the fans who think that they're being clever bringing up the fickle quote can congregate and slag off other Villa fans together.
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I hope that when we are let in to Villa Park again we learn to appreciate enterprising and exciting football and all you doomsayers don’t bother going...one reason we may be doing better is not hearing abuse every time the players try something that doesn’t come off.
Well this isn't impossible - not all players perform under pressure from the crowd (queue then they go play for some other team...)
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That was a poor second half. I think we are all of the same opinion, that wer will still chuck a last season performance in once in a while. That was it right there. The defence didn't cover itself in glory. Does anaybody else feel that Cash gets drawn too narrow. Targett seems to marshall the left touchline far more effectively, the majority of chances are coming down the right flank. Some of that is due to Bertie not being great getting back but that is so obvious that you would expect Luiz to be asked to fill the deep right midfield role when the opposition are on the break. Onwards and upwards, a tough game against Sothampton next but a good result and all this sadness will be soon forgotten!
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Why?
Because I'm old enough to remember building something out of Meccano and over time bolts got loose so to stop it falling apart you had to keep in tightening stuff.
Its an analogy of following a footy team. Things get loose. Like us in the second half.
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Great idea, you could call it the David O'Leary section, where all of the fans who think that they're being clever bringing up the fickle quote can congregate and slag off other Villa fans together.
I prefer my idea. A place where fans who want a player like Mings out of the club every time he makes a mistake can gather and enjoy being miserable.
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It looked to me, in the second half, like a bunch of blokes having a whale of a time playing football. There was one shot of Jack where his eyes were positively blazing.
And so my theory (and it is a theory that is mine), is that they were having such fun that some of the basics went flying out the window.
Despite being a tad distraught at the result, I loved the way they played.
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I still can’t believe we let Burnley score 3 goals against us
I mean 3 goals ffs
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The biggest positive for me is that is the last time I will have to watch Burnley play the worst football in the league until next season. With a bit of luck somebody will sign Pope and they'll get relegated.
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I think Dean Smith himself best summarized the reasons for our loss in his post match interview; "We didn't do the basics well enough in the second half". Xamples of basics can fx be to defend a corner against properly and to get someone to help your right back when under pressure.
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It looked to me, in the second half, like a bunch of blokes having a whale of a time playing football. There was one shot of Jack where his eyes were positively blazing.
And so my theory (and it is a theory that is mine), is that they were having such fun that some of the basics went flying out the window.
Despite being a tad distraught at the result, I loved the way they played.
You might be onto something, complacency crept in after the first half where we were flowing and thought it would be easy and we took our eye of the road
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It looked to me, in the second half, like a bunch of blokes having a whale of a time playing football. There was one shot of Jack where his eyes were positively blazing.
And so my theory (and it is a theory that is mine), is that they were having such fun that some of the basics went flying out the window.
Despite being a tad distraught at the result, I loved the way they played.
You might be onto something, complacency crept in after the first half where we were flowing and thought it would be easy and we took our eye of the road
It's a rollercoaster of a season alright. The differences between the highs and lows this season have been massive. As David Bradley said in the brilliant video celebrating 140 years of Aston Villa "the lows just make the highs higher" It was a helluva kick in the nuts last night but boy am I enjoying some of the football they are playing.
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Pure and simple - we need to be more clinical in our finishing - it's all very well playing enjoyable, expansive football but if we don't finish teams off when we are on top during a game this will continue to happen - personally,I consider the best time to play "sexy" football is when you are three goals ahead - ideally they would go hand in hand ie playing attractive football and winning but most dominant, successful teams have a ruthless streak - I recall Brentford fans saying they played some "nice attacking" forward play but defensively they were suspect.
I would like us to buy one or two quality strikers or attacking Mfer`s to address this "weakness"
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I still feel sick about the way we lost.
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In a way, that result might do us good in the long run. Hopefully, we'll and Smith will learn from it.
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I still feel sick about the way we lost.
I must admit I’m irrationally excessively f***ed off about last night.
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I still feel sick about the way we lost.
I must admit I’m irrationally excessively f***ed off about last night.
This is the thing , the better we become the more it hurts when we lose .
I think when you are crap you become apathetic
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It looked to me, in the second half, like a bunch of blokes having a whale of a time playing football. There was one shot of Jack where his eyes were positively blazing.
And so my theory (and it is a theory that is mine), is that they were having such fun that some of the basics went flying out the window.
Despite being a tad distraught at the result, I loved the way they played.
(and it is a theory that is mine) Monty Python?
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Still haven't got over the Rodri incident.Last night is in a queue.
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Still haven't got over the Rodri incident.Last night is in a queue.
agreed, that rodri goal is driving me mad. Like the hand of rod goal did. Still not over that and dont get me started on kevin fkin friend.
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Still haven't got over the Rodri incident.Last night is in a queue.
agreed, that rodri goal is driving me mad. Like the hand of rod goal did. Still not over that and dont get me started on kevin fkin friend.
Just let it go. It'll be good for your soul in the end.
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It’s true, it’s so frustrating now when we lose because 99% of the time we deserve to get something. Only once has it felt like Dean doesn’t know what he’s doing (Leeds) and I still can’t get my head round why that happened!
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It’s true, it’s so frustrating now when we lose because 99% of the time we deserve to get something. Only once has it felt like Dean doesn’t know what he’s doing (Leeds) and I still can’t get my head round why that happened!
We should have been 2-0 up against Leeds too before they scored.
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Still haven't got over the Rodri incident.Last night is in a queue.
I agree, We should never of allowed him a fucking free header. It was never a corner aswell.
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I think you may be at cross-purposes, or are you merely pointing out another crushing reffing injustice?