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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: WarszaVillan on January 26, 2021, 09:33:44 PM
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Being reported he has passed way.
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Just saw Dr Jo has passed away aged 84. Sad news.
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It was a forward thinking move by Doug that didn't work out. We had some good memories with Dr Jo. I'll remember those. RIP
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Sorry to hear this , he was before his time I think
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RIP Doc, shame it never worked out.
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Jozef Venglos dead at 84 as former Celtic manager who signed Lubomir Moravcik passes away
The former Hoops manager was the first foreigner to manage in the English top flight.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jozef-venglos-dead-83-former-23390737
The biggest personality of Slovak football left, Jozef Vengloš died at the age of 84
https://sport.aktuality.sk/c/480225/odisla-najvacsia-osobnost-slovenskeho-futbalu-vo-veku-nedozitych-85-rokov-zomrel-jozef-venglos/
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That's a shame. He was a good man.
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That's a shame. Like TV said, a brave appointment by Doug and by all accounts he was a very nice man who felt embarrassed by some of our results. So sad.
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He was manager the first season I could go regularly. Sad news.
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Very sorry to hear this. RIP Dr Jo
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One of the first foreign managers in the top flight, ahead of his time. I recall people being bemused by post match warm downs, now fairly common practice. Right man, wrong time.
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Villa’s visionary: The manager with the short spell and long legacy
Dr Josef Vengloš' brief stint in charge of Aston Villa is remembered, if at all, as a failure. But 30 years on, it can be seen also as a crucial moment in the transformation of English football, says Roger Domeneghetti.
On an unseasonably warm night in October 1990, Elton Welsby welcomed the viewers of ITV's The Match to Villa Park for a UEFA Cup tie between Aston Villa and Internazionale.
The match generated huge interest both in England and abroad. It was the biggest game played by an English team in European competition since the ban imposed after Heysel was lifted. It also pitted English and Italian teams against each other for the first time since the tragedy five years earlier.
The match was notable for another reason. In the Villa dugout was Dr Josef Vengloš, the club's new manager and the first man not born in the British Isles to take charge of a top-flight English team.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/the-manager-with-the-short-spell-and-long-legacy-89772
There more to read about him in the article
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I liked Dr Jo and think he was a good manager that English football was not quite ready for.
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RIP. Always seemed a good man, didn't work out at Villa for one reason or another and had an excellent career elsewhere. Always wondered whether he might have made a success of it at Villa if not for blatantly crooked officiating in the second leg against Inter.
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Sad news.
Like someone else posted, ahead of his time.
Am I right in thinking he was the first foreign coach in the English top division?
Edit, just read article above 👍
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https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/doctor-who-when-trailblazer-jozef-venglos-baffled-aston-villa-and-english-football
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When you consider the culture clash at Arsenal when Arsene Wenger arrived, with how well established they were as a football club, you would imagine that the appointment was ahead of it's time. A few years too many unfortunately.
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RIP Dr Jo. Will always remember those European nights, home and away, very fondly.
They were good days.
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It probably didn’t help that to be honest we had overachieved in the final season of Graham Taylor’s first stint.
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Seemed a decent man. One of Ellis’s more daring experiments which sadly didn’t come off.
I thought he was at least in his 70’s when he became our manager. He looked really old, maybe it was just an Eastern bloc look after years of communism.
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Doug ahead of his time or realising that in the aftermath of the fall of the Iron Curtain, there were Eastern Europeans who could be hired on the cheap? I know where my money would be.
Dr Jo is one of the great Villa what might of beens. I was sad when it didn't work out, but, then again, the fact that it didn't ushered in three and half years of BFR, much of which I wouldn't have missed for the world.
RIP
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When I think about Dr Jo I remember his first game and Kent Nielsen goal v Inter was fantastic I was in the holte end and the noise was off the chart......great days
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I remember when he was appointed and everyone said who? A decent man who had a good career as a coach.
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RIP Dr Jo.You left us with some great memories. It seemed at the time to be a really exciting direction that the club were going in and we were going to mop up all the young talent from around Europe.
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The first Villa manager I remember as a kid. Vague memories of him being ridiculed at the time but as has been said, Villa were a first-mover when it came to adopting a broader horizon with regards to modern coaching. I wonder did Wenger ever lean on him for advice. Would also be interested if Jo had given any interviews in recent times about his spell at Villa.
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Ahead of his time.
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I remember Doug introducing him at the press conference and asking the reporters if anyone knew who he was.
I remember going to the Makita pre season tournament at Wembley, hoping for a new dawn with a foreign manager.
He was a forward thinking appointment by Doug that blazed a trail but didn’t work out for us.
Jo seemed a very decent and honourable man.
Another Holte Ender in the Sky.
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That Inter Milan game is one of my favourite games I’ve ever attended, great memories.
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Speaking when he was 80.
"I learned a lot," said Venglos, who still follows the results of the team. "I watch Aston Villa. I feel joy when things go well for the club."
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1008271/sports
RIP
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That's lovely to read that.
RIP Dr Jo and thanks for what you managed to for us. X
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I've just seen Vengloš in Rock Ferry buying energy drinks, he's deffo taking over.
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Such a shame and condolences to his family and friends.
That very season was the first time I bought a season ticket so I'll always remember him as the manager who started my run of being a ST holder up till the present.
Rest in Peace Dr Jo.
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RIP Dr Jo. That night against Milan won’t be forgotten by us who had the pleasure of being there.
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‘Josef Venglos claret and blue army’ all through half time away at Milan to bemused ‘Inter skins’. Result rubbish, great time though.
RIP Dr Jo and thanks.
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Dr Jozef Venglos: Former Villa & Celtic boss dies at 84 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55819403
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I always felt in results in the first three games had have gone better things may have been different. Draw at home to Southampton, losing somehow at Maine Rd when battered them, and losing at Anfield to a last minute wondergoal from John Barnes.
We were clearly trying to adapt to a more pass and move style, and it seemed the belief went from the players when the results didn't come.
RIP, a great choice of manager if only because he scanned beautifully into "Claret and blue army"
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You gave me the best night ever at Villa Park. Thank you
RIP Dr Jo
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His league season wasn’t the best but I will always have fond memories of Inter, our kits that season and the likes of Tony Daley and David Platt in the side. Happy days. RIP to a man who deserved better than the cheap shots the Evening Mail took at him.
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His league season wasn’t the best but I will always have fond memories of Inter, our kits that season and the likes of Tony Daley and David Platt in the side.
I realise that I’ve now bought that home shirt 3 times.
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Sad news. A good manager, and seemingly a good man.
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I always felt in results in the first three games had have gone better things may have been different. Draw at home to Southampton, losing somehow at Maine Rd when battered them, and losing at Anfield to a last minute wondergoal from John Barnes.
We were clearly trying to adapt to a more pass and move style, and it seemed the belief went from the players when the results didn't come.
RIP, a great choice of manager if only because he scanned beautifully into "Claret and blue army"
That's bought back some memories as I went to virtually every game home and away that season and you're right. That Man Citeh game particularly was as a travesty - Andy Dibble rugby tackled David Platt (or was it handball) for a free kick outside the area. We looked a good side but fell away badly post Christmas, Man City at home was not fun.
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Sad news, RIP Dr Venglos.
As others have said, he was well ahead of his time and I don't think the players were ready or understood enough about his techniques.
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Another footballing gentleman gone.
Always remember how that shit rag Meaning Evil treated him.
I remember huge backpage headline
"For Gods sake go now" wankers
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His team were responsible for one of my favourite ever nights at Villa Park. First night i’d stood on the Holte, just brilliant.
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RIP Dr Joe
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Another footballing gentleman gone.
Indeed. Even on the Rangers forum there's no negative comments despite him managing Celtic it's "RIP, sad news", "hard man to dislike", 'decent football man" etc. which isn't always the case up there. They also mention him being the first foreign manager with us and ahead of his time.
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RIP Dr Jo..total gent
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RIP Dr Jo
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Sad news always remember the fantastic welcome we gave him at the Southampton game and the Inter game was one of the great nights at VP. He had taken Czechoslovakia to the quarters in the World Cup, before joining us and it appeared to be a good appointment by Doug, but sadly didn't work out.
RIP Dr Jo
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RIP Coach!
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He was manager the first season I could go regularly. Sad news.
Me too, my first match was the home game vs Banik Ostrava.
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I remember thinking it was a strange appointment at the time. Think I would’ve been 16/17 back then, but it did pave the way for more progressive foreign coaches to come in and tighten things up at top flight clubs. Ultimately didn’t work out for either party, but maybe if he’d had another season, who knows? Didn’t know he started out in Aus managing. Decent fella.
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RIP Dr Jo like others have said about ahead of his time when he was with us.
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Sad news. Rest well Jo. That's 3 ex villa managers passing in the space of 2 months.
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I was at Selhurst Park April 91 with Marc Goldberg, by this time the Vultures were hovering. In the Executive Lounge there were lots of press and Football dignitaries, Malcolm Alison breezed past sporting a very long trench coat topped with a Stetson as if to say look at me I am out of work. Doctor Jo walked by and lots of people nodded and muttered knowingly.
R.I.P.
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I was at Selhurst Park April 91 with Marc Goldberg, by this time the Vultures were hovering. In the Executive Lounge there were lots of press and Football dignitaries, Malcolm Alison breezed past sporting a very long trench coat topped with a Stetson as if to say look at me I am out of work. Doctor Jo walked by and lots of people nodded and muttered knowingly.
R.I.P.
Blimey, I'd forgotten about him. Didn't he wipe out his fortune through Palace? And are they now on their third set of supporter-done-well-for-himself owners?
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Sad news. Rest In Peace Dr. Jo
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I was at Selhurst Park April 91 with Marc Goldberg, by this time the Vultures were hovering. In the Executive Lounge there were lots of press and Football dignitaries, Malcolm Alison breezed past sporting a very long trench coat topped with a Stetson as if to say look at me I am out of work. Doctor Jo walked by and lots of people nodded and muttered knowingly.
I think he owns Bromley FC these days. I
It's the area where he made his initial fortune in the Recruitment business.
Think his son plays / played for the club.
R.I.P.
Blimey, I'd forgotten about him. Didn't he wipe out his fortune through Palace? And are they now on their third set of supporter-done-well-for-himself owners?
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. . . and, as far as I know, Marc Goldberg is still alive :)
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RIP Dr Jo
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I was at Selhurst Park April 91 with Marc Goldberg, by this time the Vultures were hovering. In the Executive Lounge there were lots of press and Football dignitaries, Malcolm Alison breezed past sporting a very long trench coat topped with a Stetson as if to say look at me I am out of work. Doctor Jo walked by and lots of people nodded and muttered knowingly.
R.I.P.
Blimey, I'd forgotten about him. Didn't he wipe out his fortune through Palace? And are they now on their third set of supporter-done-well-for-himself owners?
yes this was before he became very rich then met Ron Noades and Terry Venables.
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Farewell Dr Jo.
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I was at Selhurst Park April 91 with Marc Goldberg, by this time the Vultures were hovering. In the Executive Lounge there were lots of press and Football dignitaries, Malcolm Alison breezed past sporting a very long trench coat topped with a Stetson as if to say look at me I am out of work. Doctor Jo walked by and lots of people nodded and muttered knowingly.
R.I.P.
Blimey, I'd forgotten about him. Didn't he wipe out his fortune through Palace? And are they now on their third set of supporter-done-well-for-himself owners?
yes this was before he became very rich then met Ron Noades and Terry Venables.
And replied to that Nigerian prince.
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it might be my poor memory, but I remember going to Wembley to see the Villa in the Makita Tournament 1990
a quick question as I really cannot remember, but was Dr Jo the manager at that time ?
UTV
The Doc
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Yes.
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fucking Bianchi. Ball was out.
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I remember him more at Celtic in 1998 and he didn't last long there although Rangers had a very strong team at the time.
Was part of the FIFA managerial set up with Houllier after retirement so sad most have passed away within two months of each other as I'd imagine they got on.
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Dr Jo was a European style coach. SGT was a prime example of the seventies and eighties British football manager as was Ron Saunders. They ran the place from top to bottom and could probably tell you how much the weekly milk bill was. It was too much of a culture shock when the players lost SGT and had to adapt to Dr Jo. To the point where they just didn't adapt. But at least we have the first leg with Inter to remember him by.
We were basically playing an Italian and German 1990 combined World Cup eleven.
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RIP Dr Jo, you gave me that night against Inter and for that I'll always by grateful, the first one that is! (that ball was a fupping mile out in the 2nd leg, we were even getting shafted back then 🙄)
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I wonder why he left us. Did he ever say? I remember him on the end of season video saying how the next season would be better, then he left.
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it might be my poor memory, but I remember going to Wembley to see the Villa in the Makita Tournament 1990
a quick question as I really cannot remember, but was Dr Jo the manager at that time ?
UTV
The Doc
We went to that too. There were four of us on the tube with a carriage full of Arsenal. They started getting really chopsy, and somehow got on to the subject of our manager.
“You haven’t even got an English manager you wankers”.
Their manager was George Graham. That well known English manager.