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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2021, 09:53:15 PM
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Ho hum. Made very easy work of Newcastle. Never out of third gear because we didn’t need to be. MOTM Marv for his industry justifying his selection. Bert or Konsa probably second, but nobody had to really stand out. Good to see Ollie get back on the scoresheet.
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Who's next?
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Jack looked a bit hissed off!
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You will never see a more routine 2-0 home win.
A little disappointing we didn’t put them to the sword.
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
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They couldve declared at 8.42pm. I dont think I've ever seen a team so deep at 0-2. Easiest game of the season.
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Made easy work of that, which is exactly what we needed to do.
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I think it’s safe to say Newcastle players aren’t playing for Bruce.
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Jack looked a bit hissed off!
Carragher said he looked like Muttley :-)
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Lovely stuff - so pleased for Ollie.
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Routine 3 points.
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As comfortable a victory as you could ever hope for. Newcastle wouldn't have looked like scoing if the game had lasted 9 hours.
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Nice routine win. Next.
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#prayforjack
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Routine win, they were awful, disappointed we didn’t score a few more but how nice it is to win a game without any nerves at the end. Keep it going, Villa.
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Never in doubt! I hope Mings can get rid of his silly mistakes before the fans come back.
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As comfortable a victory as you could ever hope for. Newcastle wouldn't have looked like scoing if the game had lasted 9 hours.
They have turned in to us post-O'Neill and pre-Smith.
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Very few games where I have no worry. This was piss eas9y.
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At 91 minutes, Carragher absolutely ripped into the club that is N'castle United; went on a right rant!
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An unbelievably easy win. Dominance was much much more than 2-0 scoreline.
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Let's stuff Burnley now!
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Who's next?
Quadrophenia
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Our 9th league win of the season and barely half way through. We only won 9 all season last year.
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Never in doubt! I hope Mings can get rid of his silly mistakes before the fans come back.
He was the biggest danger for us in this match.
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As easy 3pts as they get
Great to see Ollie bag one
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Think we might stay up this season...
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I think that was perfect for us.
Feeling our way after a long lay off, and a very, very tough game at Man City.
A nice little sharpener, to get another game into Barkley and generally work on match fitness.
Perfect.
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A comfortable win without even getting into 2nd gear.
The world may be mental, but football is good again.
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Targett, Konsa, Watkins and Marv were the pick.
Barkley was very disappointing - expected to see him stride through with confidence and assurance and actually he gave the ball away and was generally ineffective.
Great to get another clean sheet.
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About as comfortable a second half as I can remember recently. They had the odd threat in the first half but seemed to settle for not getting hammered. Can't imagine Newcastle fans will have been massively impressed.
It was the sort of win the really top teams get. Never really threatened, always in control. Didn't have to get out of second gear. Even resting a star player at the end.
Very happy with that. Targett, Marvelous and Traore were stand out performers.
Edit: and Watkins. Who worked his bollocks off as usual and got a deserved goal.
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As comfortable a victory as you could ever hope for. Newcastle wouldn't have looked like scoing if the game had lasted 9 hours.
They have turned in to us post-O'Neill and pre-Smith.
Bruce has steadied the punt.
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Compare and contrast the end of last season to where we are now. Utterly remarkable. Well done all involved.
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Waddle on 5live- Villa team on the up. Have a lot of players who can hurt you.
He would know
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At 91 minutes, Carragher absolutely ripped into the club that is N'castle United; went on a right rant
Let's stuff Burnley now!
At 91 minutes, Carragher absolutely ripped into the club that is N'castle United; went on a right rant!
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Yeah but he knows FA right? 😉
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God Newcastle are terrible. Love everything about us this season. Konsa is absolute class, goes about his business without any fuss and doesn’t put a foot wrong.
Easiest 3 points we will get this season.
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All as simple as deep down majority of us thought it would be wasn't it?
Loved watching Traore tonight. He worked his balls off and to me he has that touch of class that mean we can break down teams who sit back.
Good all over although Doug was a bit below par and sloppy with his passing. Playing him slightly more advanced didn't quite well, Marvellous did well sweeping up behind him.
Back in the top half where we belong this season.
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Konsa MOTM, followed by Nakamba.
Both excellent!
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An unbelievably easy win. Dominance was much much more than 2-0 scoreline.
Seemed like that. As a Sunderland fan put it
Looks like Villa are playing FIFA and the guy controlling Newcastle has walked out the room but left the game running.
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At 91 minutes, Carragher absolutely ripped into the club that is N'castle United; went on a right rant!
I just put on the match thread how much I enjoyed Jamie's commentary. He really knows the game and talks total sense. Quality.
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It definitely helps that he quite rightly seems to compliment us a lot, but I do like Carragher as a commentator. Even during the 7-2 I thought he was good, unlike that sour old tw*t Souness
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Like a training game. A shame we did get out of third gear second half, but we didn’t have to. They are really bad, they might have enough points already to go down but they are rotten.
Nakamba was very tidy, Konsa and Targett class, Ollie worked hard.
We’ll need more intensity against Burnley and Southampton next couple of games.
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A proper top 6 performance. Jump to a 2-0 lead, then just manage it to the end against a team who were nowhere near the same standard.
Comes to something when Mings is probably the most vulnerable / susceptible to being replaced in defence as Targett, Konsa and Cash and becoming consistently excellent. Though I wonder how much the improvement in defence is a function of Martinez' arrival.
I'll go against TV and say that I thought Bert was utter shit apart from his goal. Can hardly remember a pass he made, but can remember plenty of moves he broke down / fucked up.
Rest of the midfield / attack good without being great. AEG and Trez pretty limited, Ramsey looked tidy and put in a lovely pass to set *can't remember* away down the left right at the death.
Decent chance at a good run now, not much to fear from the upcoming fixtures.
edit : "While you were typing, 36 new replies..." Seems folks are very upbeat !
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At 91 minutes, Carragher absolutely ripped into the club that is N'castle United; went on a right rant!
Yeah but he knows FA right? 😉
I don't know, but he certainly spoke quite emotionally ....
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Konsa MOTM.
Agree. Superb performance.
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Comfortable win tonight and another clean sheet I'm well pleased.
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Any chance we'll be on MOTD or is it FA Cup only?
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Jack looked a bit hissed off!
Carragher said he looked like Muttley :-)
Mowgli!
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Any chance we'll be on MOTD or is it FA Cup only?
Should be on.
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I think that’s the best game Marvellous has played for us.
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
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Delighted for Ollie, knew it was only a matter of time before he found the net, Bert, Konsa and Targett all superb, word for Marvelous can't remember him giving the ball away or losing possession, he played well. Onwards and UPwards.
UP THE VILLA
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Sky man to Ollie "Now you've got the goal you've broken the duck" WTF was that?
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“Villa are a genuine top 6 side. It takes time to shake off a reputation and the stink of a decade of poor performances with equally poor coaches but this is Villa’s watershed season.”
Email into the Guardian MBM I really liked. Keep it up, boys.
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Who's next?
Quadrophenia
Live at Leeds 27th February.
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Decent win. It's a pity we didn't go on and score a few more but they were that bad, it didn't really matter. Nakamba did well and Konsa was an absolute steal for £12m. He really is a class act.
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Are we on MOTD or is it just the FA Cup ties?
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For me our flattest performance of the season.
But we got 3 points.
Bit worried when we are going to get scintillating again.
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We looked like a Prem team against a 4th division team, so comfortable.
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Oh and MotM was Marvellous Nakamba. Well done that man.
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Are we on MOTD or is it just the FA Cup ties?
Should be.
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Matt Target getting some positive vibes from Redknapp Junior.
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Decent win. It's a pity we didn't go on and score a few more but they were that bad, it didn't really matter. Nakamba did well and Konsa was an absolute steal for £12m. He really is a class act.
We spent 200m on this squad and it looks like we would get double that for the collection nowadays.
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Jamie Redknapp raving about Traore.
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Nice to get an easy game. Never got out of first gear.
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For me our flattest performance of the season.
But we got 3 points.
Bit worried when we are going to get scintillating again.
To answer my own question is when Barkley and Jack hit form...
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As comfortable a victory as you could ever hope for. Newcastle wouldn't have looked like scoing if the game had lasted 9 hours.
They have turned in to us post-O'Neill and pre-Smith.
Exactly this. I saw so many performances under McNeil and Lambert where the other team got a goal or two and after that it was a kick about with us never looking like scoring. Good that we saved our energy considering we have a heavy program coming up. We'll go again.
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You couldn’t pick a sub-par performance from any of our players tonight. Not spectacular by any means. But a good solid team effort. Nobody would get less than a 7. For me it was our quality at the back. Back 5 plus Marv that was most pleasing. In control throughout. Never panicked, always assured. You’ll always get a few chances against the likes of Newcastle. We took them, could have had a few more, but ultimately didn’t matter. Well done Villa
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Ezri is fucking brilliant.
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As dominant performance as I can remember in recent times and we always looked like we had an extra gear. Traore is a real bag of tricks - absolutely sublime at times with the odd really bizarre decision thrown in. Good for Ollie Watkins on the scoresheet and a special mention for Marvelous who I thought had a really good game.
Looks like Steve Bruce had swapped the old “sit back, get the ball to Snoddy and hope for a bit of magic” to “sit back and try and get the ball in the air to a washed up Andy Carroll”.
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Darren Bent tipping us for top six. Jamie Redknapp saying this is as good a Villa side as he can remember. Steve Bruce interview up next on SKY.
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Konza is the real deal.
Make no mistake.
He is just learning....
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A stroll the likes of which would have been unimaginable for many a year. Burnley and Soton are now all that stand between this side equalling its predecessor's points total in only half as many games.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12197109/watkins-and-traore-lift-villa-to-newcastle-win
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Comfortable win. Good all round team performance.
Special shout for Marvellous. 2nd start of the season and he was outstanding. Started attacks with clever forward passes and constantly tidied things up.
Nice touch to Traore to begin 2nd goal.
Really, really good.
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Great time to be a Villa fan.
What stands out for me is players are coming into the side when required and performing superbly.
Marvellous was indeed Marvellous.
And Ezri is the real deal.
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I’ve seen enough to work on, says Bruce. He’s kidding surely.
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1 goal in 9 games from open play for everyone's favourite second team, that's diabolically shite.
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I bloody love watching this Villa team.
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
A 'hard watch'? We've spent the last 10 years being shit, with shit players, hoofing the ball up field and more often than not losing.
If watching Villa cruise a win over a team who last season were well above us, completely in control, occasionally thowing in some cracking little pieces of skill, having the commentators praising us and never looking like conceding is a hard watch, then I hope for plenty more hard watches over the next few years because I bloody loved it.
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"we gifted them a goal but for large parts of it I was pleased with what we did"
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
I didn't think anybody could find a negative im the most straight forward victory since football began. Hats off.
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Looks like Steve Bruce had swapped the old “sit back, get the ball to Snoddy and hope for a bit of magic” to “sit back and try and get the ball in the air to a washed up Andy Carroll”.
Newcastle were a rabble. Kind of game and run that should prompt a change of manager. Shelvey walking around pitch, washed up Carroll, two nothing players at full back.
Surely at half time Bruce should be making wholesale changes. Instead he waits until after an hour. Dwight Gayle who has scored loads against us only getting ten minutes. They remind me if us in the bad McLeish/Lambert days....circling the relegation drain hoping for three worse teams.
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As easy a 2-0 as you'll see.
Very good. Some sloppy passing from a few of them that needs tightening up.
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"we gifted them a goal but for large parts of it I was pleased with what we did"
Jurgen Klopp 4/10/20?
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Comfortable win. Only slight gripe is would have been nice to put them to the sword more. This was one of our few comfortable wins last season but even so we are so much better than last season it's untrue. Happy days.
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I think that when Steve Bruce eventually gets the sack, as he will, I think he should call it a day and pack it in. He's had his day. Nice bloke, poor manager.
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We've played a lot better than tonight and lost, it was a 2nd gear performance. I agree with Ollie, we were very sloppy second half though the first 5 minutes after half time were were fluid. Konsa and Targett were faultless, Mings very good first half, Matty was Matty. Other than that, Marvelous was the only outfield player that looked like he really knew what he was doing; Dougie was okay and poor Ollie didn't get enough good service again.
After the lockdown at Bodymoor Heath and a spirited performance at Man City, I'll take the 3 points providing we turn up on Wednesday at Turf Moor. It will be a lot tougher than Bruce's rabble tonight.
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That was probably the easiest three points we will get all seaason, Traore is getting better by the game.
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Thumbs up for Marvelous Nakamba, came in and just quietly did his thing very well.
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That Brontebilly is a ray of sunshine, isn't he?
😂
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
I didn't think anybody could find a negative im the most straight forward victory since football began. Hats off.
To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
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A proper top 6 performance. Jump to a 2-0 lead, then just manage it to the end against a team who were nowhere near the same standard.
Comes to something when Mings is probably the most vulnerable / susceptible to being replaced in defence as Targett, Konsa and Cash and becoming consistently excellent. Though I wonder how much the improvement in defence is a function of Martinez' arrival.
I'll go against TV and say that I thought Bert was utter shit apart from his goal. Can hardly remember a pass he made, but can remember plenty of moves he broke down / fucked up.
Rest of the midfield / attack good without being great. AEG and Trez pretty limited, Ramsey looked tidy and put in a lovely pass to set *can't remember* away down the left right at the death.
Decent chance at a good run now, not much to fear from the upcoming fixtures.
edit : "While you were typing, 36 new replies..." Seems folks are very upbeat !
You thought Bert was utter shit apart from his goal? Fucking hell you're a hard one to please. They just highlighted him on Sky Redknapp an Darren Bent saying just how fantastic he was tonight and how he could well turn out to be our best signing this season.
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Steve Bruce will retire with £10m plus in the bank. Genius! 0
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That was probably the easiest three points we will get all seaason, Traore is getting better by the game.
I think Traore is our wildcard. At times he will frustrate us and at times he will dazzle us.
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To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
Why? The day a player is happy to be subbed, is the day that player should be sold to somebody else.
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We are on MOTD after all the cup matches have been shown.
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Looks like Steve Bruce had swapped the old “sit back, get the ball to Snoddy and hope for a bit of magic” to “sit back and try and get the ball in the air to a washed up Andy Carroll”.
Newcastle were a rabble. Kind of game and run that should prompt a change of manager. Shelvey walking around pitch, washed up Carroll, two nothing players at full back.
Surely at half time Bruce should be making wholesale changes. Instead he waits until after an hour. Dwight Gayle who has scored loads against us only getting ten minutes. They remind me if us in the bad McLeish/Lambert days....circling the relegation drain hoping for three worse teams.
This season luckily for them there probably are, just.
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
Really? We did win 2-0 under no pressure from the opposition.
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To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
Why? The day a player is happy to be subbed, is the day that player should be sold to somebody else.
100% this.
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To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
Why? The day a player is happy to be subbed, is the day that player should be sold to somebody else.
100% this.
Yes.
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
A 'hard watch'? We've spent the last 10 years being shit, with shit players, hoofing the ball up field and more often than not losing.
If watching Villa cruise a win over a team who last season were well above us, completely in control, occasionally thowing in some cracking little pieces of skill, having the commentators praising us and never looking like conceding is a hard watch, then I hope for plenty more hard watches over the next few years because I bloody loved it.
Amen. We are witnessing the best Villa team in a long time who play some amazing football yet we have fans who just look for negatives? I just don't understand some of our fans.
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Agreed.
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That was probably the easiest three points we will get all seaason, Traore is getting better by the game.
I think Traore is our wildcard. At times he will frustrate us and at times he will dazzle us.
Nah, eventually he'll be dazzling every single game. And by 'eventually' I mean 'soon'.
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Classic routine home win. But we were a bit half arsed and could and should have gone for 4 or 5.
Still Ollie got a long deserved and overdue goal, Nakamba meant we didn't miss SJM, Targett continues to be a revelation compared to last year, but my two favourites are:
Traore - ok dodgy in chasing back and gives it away cheaply at times - but sublime touch reminiscent of Ginola in his his prime and scored a cracker with his right/wrong foot. Just joy to watch and, like Barkley, takes pressure off Jack.
And Konsa - this guy is rapidly approaching McGrath/God class. He made an error tonight and lost possession - notable only in that it's the first one I can remember from him. An absolute Rolls-Royce of a CB. Surely Southgate has got to take note.
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Both Mings and Konsa were back in it today. Mings from the start, I only really noticed Konsa coming under pressure in the 2nd half. Cash and Targett also never in question defensively today. Martinez is the defensive glue though. Didn’t have too much to do tonight, but just looks so confident and assured. I still have my heart in my mouth at times the way we’ll pass sideways or tight at the back, but it seems to be working a lot better now. The 3 or 4 times we had to resort to hoofing, it was intercepted and came straight back.
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To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
Why? The day a player is happy to be subbed, is the day that player should be sold to somebody else.
Not really. As the captain, coming off with 5 minutes left with the game pretty much won, it wouldn't take too much to be seen to be giving a bit of encouragement to the young lad coming on to replace you.
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Good performance, bossed the first half and rightly 2-0 up and whilst we didn't get out of second gear and quite frankly didn't need to, passing and general play in the second half was sloppy and lacking in movement. But these are minor gripes when overall it was a top team performance. As someone else said when Jack/Ross are back on it we'll be scintillating.
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Nice easy professional win. Traore is a classy player. Less frantic than AEG and Trez. Seems too give Jack more space
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
A 'hard watch'? We've spent the last 10 years being shit, with shit players, hoofing the ball up field and more often than not losing.
If watching Villa cruise a win over a team who last season were well above us, completely in control, occasionally thowing in some cracking little pieces of skill, having the commentators praising us and never looking like conceding is a hard watch, then I hope for plenty more hard watches over the next few years because I bloody loved it.
Amen. We are witnessing the best Villa team in a long time who play some amazing football yet we have fans who just look for negatives? I just don't understand some of our fans.
Completely agree, seems some people just love to moan and find a cloud amongst the silver linings.
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Konsa MOTM, followed by Nakamba.
Both excellent!
This.
Marvelous was.......errrmmmmmm......
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We have a great team, of course I would love us to have put a few more past them in the second half.
What is important is we are widening the game time of the squad.
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I’m happy to see players being grumpy coming off. They’ll soon get over it if we’re winning matches. Jack had a tight hamstring in the week and Barkley isn’t at 100% so sensible decisions all round.
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Never in doubt
and I think that’s the first time I’ve written that without Joking
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
Really? We did win 2-0 under no pressure from the opposition.
Next he'll be trying to convince us that yet another shit opposition display was once again coincidentally not down to anything we might've done.
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Martinez could have played that in a dressing gown and cravat, smoking a cigarette through a holder. He should donate his wages to charity for tonight's game, seeing as he didn't have to earn a single penny of it.
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Konsa MOTM, followed by Nakamba.
Both excellent!
This.
Marvelous was.......errrmmmmmm......
Wonderful ?
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
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Another performance where I’ve watched with a smile on my face. Ok it was 2-0 and could easily of been 5, but I just loved the way we passed the ball around and retained possession. When needed the defence were superb, Marv and Bert had great games and I’m so pleased for Ollie. Just wonderful to watch
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
Fair comments from Dean, honest guy.
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Looks like Steve Bruce had swapped the old “sit back, get the ball to Snoddy and hope for a bit of magic” to “sit back and try and get the ball in the air to a washed up Andy Carroll”.
Newcastle were a rabble. Kind of game and run that should prompt a change of manager. Shelvey walking around pitch, washed up Carroll, two nothing players at full back.
Surely at half time Bruce should be making wholesale changes. Instead he waits until after an hour. Dwight Gayle who has scored loads against us only getting ten minutes. They remind me if us in the bad McLeish/Lambert days....circling the relegation drain hoping for three worse teams.
’Circling the relegation drain, hoping for three worst teams’
Sums it up perfectly for us then and Newcastle now.
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
So what was Jack sulking about?
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I think we will stay up this season.
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Well I'm on the Dougie bus.He's on the verge of greatness and I guarantee within two years he'll be world class.
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
So what was Jack sulking about?
He didn’t want to come off. But I imagine now he probably knows it was a half decent decision.
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I think we will stay up this season.
We could, arguably should, be safe by the end of January. That's a hell of a step up from last season.
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
So what was Jack sulking about?
He's a born winner and wanted to exert maximum misery on the opposition.
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
So what was Jack sulking about?n
He didn’t want to come off. But I imagine now he probably knows it was a half decent decision.
He'll realise his manager was right when he's still prancing around like a racehorse in the 90+ minute on Wednesday night.
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A great 3 points and clean sheet without needing to up our game.
Emi is a great footballing goalkeeper. He's like a sweeper. His touches by foot must far outnumber his handling touches.
Ezri had wilson in his pocket (would anybody swop Ollie for wilson? Thought not). Targett is playing fantastic but for me Marvellous was motm tonight (flawless).
Pleased that Ollie got his goal and his workrate is 2nd to none. If Barkley is to play off Ollie he could do with watching how Ollie works. Barkley's pressing is weak.
Traore played well though I'm not sure about his volleys cross field or towards his own goal from throw-ins.
What a comfortable win. 2nd half it just looked like they were playing for a 2-0 loss, they were that negative...typical bruce.
I thought carroll should have had a red for his studs up rake down Nakamba's calf.
We've waited 10+ years for a team like this and the results to go with it and I'm enjoying it very much! UTV!
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
Really? We did win 2-0 under no pressure from the opposition.
I think that's says more about the opposition tonight. 2-0 win not not be sniffed at of course but Newcastle could have been annihilated tonight if we were on it second half. Midfield was the problem area I thought, Watkins had the easy beating of their CBs and our defence had it very easy.
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
So what was Jack sulking about?n
He didn’t want to come off. But I imagine now he probably knows it was a half decent decision.
He'll realise his manager was right when he's still prancing around like a racehorse in the 90+ minute on Wednesday night.
Wish my gaffer would take me off most way through a day of work to protect me for the next day
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As routine as they get, we looked in complete control throughout. Fair play to Nakamba, I’d have picked Ramsey but he came in and had a very tidy game. Glad Watkins got a goal, that’ll do him the world of good.
As many wins now than in the entirety of last season and only Man City (I think) have more clean sheets. Progress indeed.
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Crikey Brontebilly are you ever happy? Your a very hard one to please!
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
Close to what I would give but I’d give Traore a 7. His goal was good and he did track back a lot more than previous games, but then again, Newcastle were hardly Man City
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Who's next?
Quadrophenia
No, Tommy was next.
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It was the sort of routine win that we used to gift to teams in the seasons before we went down.
Konsa had a really good composed game again and the defence looked comfortable.
Interesting in the post-match interview that Smith was feigning ignorance about Sanson, almost indicating he's not really his signing, but as long as he can get him to play...
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Win the next two and we have reached last seasons points tally half way through the season.
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Who's next?
Quadrophenia
No, Tommy was next.
No, Tommy was before Who's next ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_discography
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I thought Traoré worked hard tonight. There's clearly been some coaching going on to that effect, as I watched him sprint back when we lost possession on plenty of occasions.
I really like him. Actually, I like all of our players. Smith made some comments some time ago about bringing in players with the right attitude, and it seems to be paying off. They all run their socks off for each other, and it's a joy to watch.
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To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
Why? The day a player is happy to be subbed, is the day that player should be sold to somebody else.
Not really. As the captain, coming off with 5 minutes left with the game pretty much won, it wouldn't take too much to be seen to be giving a bit of encouragement to the young lad coming on to replace you.
He had a run of playing every minute for 42 games in the prem, clearly that's why
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Him and his pals in the press have been banging on about The Saint and TOT being missed,our two best players they reckon.He’s now saying the reason we are shit is because we have three of four players missing.How many defenders is he going to play if all our defenders are fit? He bought Lewis,he gave Manquillo a new contract,he’s just given Clark a new contract and he has Captain Cowardice available for selection.Clark and Dummitt are the only real defenders we have.He complains about injuries,he gets his blue chip players back from injury,then he complains about the other injured players.It sounded like Redknapp was going to be the first pundit to slate him but it ended up with him blaming Ashley,Rafa and no takeover.
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Very professional performance.
If we needed to score 5 we would have. With a busy schedule ahead it was important to keep some energy in the tank and give everyone a run out.
We are looking like and behaving like a top 6 club.
Fantastic. :)
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We didn't need to get out of second gear at any point tonight. What was Bruce thinking about, playing 3-5-2 against Villa? Strange. We have dangerous players all over the pitch and look really sexy with the ball, when we up the tempo. A bit sloppy in the second half in the final third I thought but it was so easy I think a few of our players thought it was a testimonial. Great that Jack has a slightly quieter game and yet still earns an assist and caused them problems. Lovely second goal. A club on the up and lovely to hear the deserved plaudits that the club deserves. Such a shame the fans can see it all at the stadium, the place would be rocking. Every player played well without having to hit top gear.
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Very routine win. Coming into the game I felt it would be a good test, can we keep momentum going a team we should beat. We passed the test very well. Some good stuff first half and controlled second.
Keeper had little to do, defence we're excellent. Barkley is still getting up to full speed and luiz was ok. Thought marvellous was excellent and him and Konza were stand out for me. I certainly think in this run of games he should get a go for Luiz to rotate and keep things fresh.
Grealish was superb for the second as was troare delighted for Watkins to get his goal.
Smith is going to have to use the squad over the coming games to keep things sharp and I certainly wouldn't be afraid to rotate a little bit to keep all on there toes
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Who's next?
Quadrophenia
No, Tommy was next.
No, Tommy was before Who's next ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_discography
I stand corrected. Sorry.
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
Close to what I would give but I’d give Traore a 7. His goal was good and he did track back a lot more than previous games, but then again, Newcastle were hardly Man City
Brilliant goal alright but thought he gave the ball away a lot.
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About as routine as routine could get.
Negatives
We didn't go for the throat. If anything I think the insane amount of space and time they gave us slowed us down, when we needed to quicken the play. Part of that is Barkley being rusty.
Didn't feel without McGinn we turned over the ball as well in the final third so we were longer in our transitions to get Jack involved.
Bloody Mings. Do the simple things.
Positives
Easiest game of the season.
Delighted for Ollie as he works so hard, thought he was behind the ball for the goal anyway.
Konsa is immense, Mings is too when he doesn't think too much and our full backs are top draw.
Marv did well and shows he can cover for Dougie. His distribution was fine, albeit never under any pressure.
Felt we lacked a little bit of zip that McGinn brings and hopefully Morgan will add too.
Very pleasing to watch aren't we?
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To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
Why? The day a player is happy to be subbed, is the day that player should be sold to somebody else.
Being unhappy is a fine thing being almost petulant and going on about it for 5 minutes is not. Jack is captain he had done his job so after being subbed at 10 minutes to go I don't understand his grumpiness.
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To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
Why? The day a player is happy to be subbed, is the day that player should be sold to somebody else.
Being unhappy is a fine thing being almost petulant and going on about it for 5 minutes is not. Jack is captain he had done his job so after being subbed at 10 minutes to go I don't understand his grumpiness.
5 minutes? Where do you get that from?
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To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
Why? The day a player is happy to be subbed, is the day that player should be sold to somebody else.
Being unhappy is a fine thing being almost petulant and going on about it for 5 minutes is not. Jack is captain he had done his job so after being subbed at 10 minutes to go I don't understand his grumpiness.
Does it really matter?
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About as routine as routine could get.
Negatives
We didn't go for the throat. If anything I think the insane amount of space and time they gave us slowed us down, when we needed to quicken the play. Part of that is Barkley being rusty.
Didn't feel without McGinn we turned over the ball as well in the final third so we were longer in our transitions to get Jack involved.
Bloody Mings. Do the simple things.
Positives
Easiest game of the season.
Delighted for Ollie as he works so hard, thought he was behind the ball for the goal anyway.
Konsa is immense, Mings is too when he doesn't think too much and our full backs are top draw.
Marv did well and shows he can cover for Dougie. His distribution was fine, albeit never under any pressure.
Felt we lacked a little bit of zip that McGinn brings and hopefully Morgan will add too.
Very pleasing to watch aren't we?
Definitely. They are a joy to watch at times.
Although some of our fans found tonight was a tough watch apparently. I suppose anything less than Brazil circa1970 every game just isn't good enough for some. Each to their own I guess but people have such short memories. We've been served some utter dross in the last 10 years you'd think they would just enjoy the ride while they can?
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
So what was Jack sulking about?
I think it’s as much his desire to play all the time as apparently some streak of games he’s played for the full 90.
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To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
Why? The day a player is happy to be subbed, is the day that player should be sold to somebody else.
Being unhappy is a fine thing being almost petulant and going on about it for 5 minutes is not. Jack is captain he had done his job so after being subbed at 10 minutes to go I don't understand his grumpiness.
Does it really matter?
Yes to me. I expect better from our captain especially in the prevailing situation.
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Maybe our worst performance in months and we won without conceding one chance. Obviously Bruceball is partly responsible for that, as we know better than most, but it was still as comprehensive a defensive display as we've put in in...actually in not that long. How good are we defensively!?
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As Ads pointed out we missed McGinn's zip,Dougie and Barkldy were a bit pedestrian.Marvellous lived up to his name and the defence,especially Konsa were immense.Mings,I thought,kept it simple.
Above all we are brilliant to watch.Made up for me missing a double bill of 'Spiral'.Paris can't compete with B6.
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About as routine as routine could get.
Negatives
We didn't go for the throat. If anything I think the insane amount of space and time they gave us slowed us down, when we needed to quicken the play. Part of that is Barkley being rusty.
Didn't feel without McGinn we turned over the ball as well in the final third so we were longer in our transitions to get Jack involved.
Bloody Mings. Do the simple things.
Positives
Easiest game of the season.
Delighted for Ollie as he works so hard, thought he was behind the ball for the goal anyway.
Konsa is immense, Mings is too when he doesn't think too much and our full backs are top draw.
Marv did well and shows he can cover for Dougie. His distribution was fine, albeit never under any pressure.
Felt we lacked a little bit of zip that McGinn brings and hopefully Morgan will add too.
Very pleasing to watch aren't we?
Definitely. They are a joy to watch at times.
Although some of our fans found tonight was a tough watch apparently. I suppose anything less than Brazil circa1970 every game just isn't good enough for some. Each to their own I guess but people have such short memories. We've been served some utter dross in the last 10 years you'd think they would just enjoy the ride while they can?
One fan.One.
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A couple. A few.
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This might sound odd but if Newcastle were a legitimate opponent who posed any real threat we’d have battered them tonight. I agree with the manager’s post game comments that we overplayed in the second half. It felt like we could have gone to a higher gear at any point. And we could and should have scored 2 or 3 more but for some poor finishing and a good save at the end. We did what we did without having to expend any more effort than needed. We have tougher games ahead starting vs Burnley who will be a little more confident following their win vs Liverpool.
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5 minutes? Where do you get that from?
Not sure if you watched it live but it started on the pitch, he totally ignored Jacob coming on, sat down and kept shaking his head and a little while later camera panned to him after a break in play and he was still shaking his head.
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We are a joy to watch. It’s genuinely exciting to watch Villa play - we won’t win every game, but it feels like we can beat anyone.
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Out of curiosity, who was captain at the end? Forgot to check. Would guess Mings.
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To be fair, I also wasn't terribly impressed by the attitude of Barkley and Grealish when they were subbed, and I do think that substitutions should have been made after 60 minutes, not 80.
Why? The day a player is happy to be subbed, is the day that player should be sold to somebody else.
Being unhappy is a fine thing being almost petulant and going on about it for 5 minutes is not. Jack is captain he had done his job so after being subbed at 10 minutes to go I don't understand his grumpiness.
Does it really matter?
Yes to me. I expect better from our captain especially in the prevailing situation.
Good for you. On yet another night when we prove how good we are I'm not going to moan about some perceived impropriety from the most unfairly-maligned player in the country.
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Exactly.
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I cant remember the last time I enjoyed watching us play in the prem as I have done this season and I cant be bloody there.
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Fair enough. Each to his own.
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Match of the Day making a complete horlicks of Ollie's goal tonight.
Ollie was onside because he was behind the ball when it was played.
They're trying to make out we've benefited from the same rule we were robbed on against Man City when it's got nothing to do with it!
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People getting upset about Jack going off :D
Brilliant
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Father, did you hear about Jack shaking his head on the bench for five minutes? I'd never thought I'd see the like. What next? Someone will be murdered, and then where are we? Drive-by shootings in the night, it'll be like "Boyz N The Hood" and we'll have whores selling their wares on the street and the pimps will be using crack to keep the whores under control. I'm going now to lock myself in the basement until they catch that fella, goodbye to you Father"
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Match of the Day making a complete horlicks of Ollie's goal tonight.
Ollie was onside because he was behind the ball when it was played.
They're trying to make out we've benefited from the same rule we were robbed on against Man City when it's got nothing to do with it!
Can’t believe in 2021 people still need to watch MOTD
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People getting upset about Jack going off :D
Brilliant
Not as upset as Jack was! :)
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People getting upset about Jack going off :D
Brilliant
Not as upset as Jack was! :)
Poor lad. I’m sure he’ll find a party tonight. Sure he’s got an Uber lined up
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Great stuff from Marvelous tonight. Encouraging that if we need him he can put in that level of performance. I did think Luiz struggled slightly playing a little bit further up and gave the ball away cheaply at times. Hopefully now Sanson is on his way he'll slot in for games like that in the future.
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Konsa is unbelievably good isn't he. Like, future world class.
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I would have liked to have seen Jack fuming on the bench wearing woolly mittens.
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Watkins was behind the ball, it was really obvious.
Do you think Carragher has hand cramp having spent all game wanking off over us?!
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Luiz knows he wasn't at his best
"very happy for the victory !! +3
fans can rest assured that I know I lost more balls than I should 💪🏽 https://t.co/afmMkGfNZw"
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Star players unhappy about being subbed when we are coasting to victory is really not the Villa way.
Lets face it, we haven't had that luxury for over a decade.
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Jack telling him to calm down haha!
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Konsa is unbelievably good isn't he. Like, future world class.
He's not quite there yet but I see a lot in him that shows the qualities associated with some of the great defenders of past from around the world.
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Hope I’m not jinxing this, but the thing for me is putting out your best side a couple of times a week. Nakamba was very good today, coming in late.
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Luiz knows he wasn't at his best
"very happy for the victory !! +3
fans can rest assured that I know I lost more balls than I should 💪🏽 https://t.co/afmMkGfNZw"
Absolutely love that. Elite mentality.
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My Low Lockdown Day has inexplicably improved somewhat!
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Konsa has the uncoachable skill of just knowing where he needs to be, it all looks so simple.
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What was the score Calum? Just think if you had made the right decision back in the summer you would have been home ages ago
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Luiz knows he wasn't at his best
"very happy for the victory !! +3
fans can rest assured that I know I lost more balls than I should 💪🏽 https://t.co/afmMkGfNZw"
And a truly shocking miss. But he's ace, so I forgive him. Just don't do it again.
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Jack telling him to calm down haha!
And now Douglas has replied with a picture of sulking Jack haha
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I'll go against TV and say that I thought Bert was utter shit apart from his goal. Can hardly remember a pass he made, but can remember plenty of moves he broke down / fucked up.
You thought Bert was utter shit apart from his goal? Fucking hell you're a hard one to please. They just highlighted him on Sky Redknapp an Darren Bent saying just how fantastic he was tonight and how he could well turn out to be our best signing this season.
Hah, I am just a law student in France who didn't play the game beyond primary school, so my opinion is very far from informed, but I felt that every time he actively *did* something (goal aside, which I consider to be an OK finish, sidefoot onto a moving ball from 15 yards) he fucked it up. Set Jack free down the left with a long pass in the first half ? Blootered it straight down the middle of the pitch to their GK and the RMC commentators commented that Jack was clearly having a go at him for it. And I feel like there were plenty more examples.
I admit that I didn't really pay any attention to his work rate, so if that was up then that is good to see and will leave to better judges than me. But I think he's a player who'll have 1 good game / magic moment then dine out on it for 4-5-10 games where he goes MIA, so won't start getting excited until he does it regularly (and he certainly has the talent to).
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If we have players that are happy to come off God we would be going backwards again ,we have been waiting a long time to have what all decent clubs have and that's a strong bench and slowly we're getting there, no one should be happy about coming off ,the competion for places is getting better and better, top six here we come
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75 points could win the league this year. 85, you'd be favourites. It's on.
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Dougie having some fun! (https://twitter.com/dg_douglasluiz/status/1353128757821845504?s=19)
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
So what was Jack sulking about?
Because he needed to do more to try to appease Footy-Vil.
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Jack telling him to calm down haha!
And now Douglas has replied with a picture of sulking Jack haha
That’s thread just keeps giving Tbf!
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Dougie having some fun! (https://twitter.com/dg_douglasluiz/status/1353128757821845504?s=19)
I love that. Shows how close they all are.
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Jack telling him to calm down haha!
And now Douglas has replied with a picture of sulking Jack haha
That’s thread just keeps giving Tbf!
#villabantz
https://twitter.com/dg_douglasluiz/status/1353128757821845504?s=21
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Routine win. Don’t buy this annihilation bollocks as the games coming thick and fast. We knocked Newcastle out in first half and got all 3 points. Job done Despite playing in 2nd gear. More in the petrol tank when we play the northern kit stealers as would rather get 2-0 wins rather than be breathing out our arse in next games and getting draws. Bask in the wonder of where we are now compared to last season. But even if we were top of the table there would still be moaning from some of our fans. UTV
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Out of curiosity, who was captain at the end? Forgot to check. Would guess Mings.
Yeah it was Mings.
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Great sign of the team spirit.
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Match of the Day making a complete horlicks of Ollie's goal tonight.
Ollie was onside because he was behind the ball when it was played.
They're trying to make out we've benefited from the same rule we were robbed on against Man City when it's got nothing to do with it!
That’s what VAR said. No need to check the offside because the defender deliberately played the ball.
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Match of the Day making a complete horlicks of Ollie's goal tonight.
Ollie was onside because he was behind the ball when it was played.
They're trying to make out we've benefited from the same rule we were robbed on against Man City when it's got nothing to do with it!
That’s what VAR said. No need to check the offside because the defender deliberately played the ball.
It feels like that's been the stance because "you can't moan now you've benefitted from it". The difference is if they'd drawn the lines it wasn't offside anyway because he was behind the ball where as everyone knows Rodri was miles offside.
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Out of curiosity, who was captain at the end? Forgot to check. Would guess Mings.
Yeah it was Mings.
Thanks. 🙂
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Match of the Day making a complete horlicks of Ollie's goal tonight.
Ollie was onside because he was behind the ball when it was played.
They're trying to make out we've benefited from the same rule we were robbed on against Man City when it's got nothing to do with it!
That’s what VAR said. No need to check the offside because the defender deliberately played the ball.
It feels like that's been the stance because "you can't moan now you've benefitted from it". The difference is if they'd drawn the lines it wasn't offside anyway because he was behind the ball where as everyone knows Rodri was miles offside.
Anybody that thinks the two incidents are even remotely similar is, frankly, a twat.
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Match of the Day making a complete horlicks of Ollie's goal tonight.
Ollie was onside because he was behind the ball when it was played.
They're trying to make out we've benefited from the same rule we were robbed on against Man City when it's got nothing to do with it!
That’s what VAR said. No need to check the offside because the defender deliberately played the ball.
It feels like that's been the stance because "you can't moan now you've benefitted from it". The difference is if they'd drawn the lines it wasn't offside anyway because he was behind the ball where as everyone knows Rodri was miles offside.
Yep Paul, boxed away nicely now in the eyes of officialdom.
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Maybe our worst performance in months and we won without conceding one chance. Obviously Bruceball is partly responsible for that, as we know better than most, but it was still as comprehensive a defensive display as we've put in in...actually in not that long. How good are we defensively!?
Agreed, Monty. Our central defence was tested numerous time, far too many considering how poor Newcastle were but we stood strong. Was I the only one that didn't mind Mings knocking the ball out for a throw-in rather than try and play it out from the back? Job done.
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
So what was Jack sulking about?
Because he needed to do more to try to appease Footy-Vil.
He may have been more unhappy with his performance than being taken off
I imagine he gives himself pretty high standards and wanted to score
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Match of the Day making a complete horlicks of Ollie's goal tonight.
Ollie was onside because he was behind the ball when it was played.
They're trying to make out we've benefited from the same rule we were robbed on against Man City when it's got nothing to do with it!
That’s what VAR said. No need to check the offside because the defender deliberately played the ball.
It feels like that's been the stance because "you can't moan now you've benefitted from it". The difference is if they'd drawn the lines it wasn't offside anyway because he was behind the ball where as everyone knows Rodri was miles offside.
Anybody that thinks the two incidents are even remotely similar is, frankly, a twat.
The relevant point - that the defender’s touch played Watkins onside even if (hypothetically) he’d been ten yards off - is the same.
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Bearing in mind the effort the players put in v Citeh, I think they did enough to win the match tonight without over exerting themselves. They know they have a lot of matches coming up so, the way they played was the right thing. However, will need a bit more energy v Burnley and Soton but, see no reason why we cannot get at least 4 points from these 2 upcoming games.
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
So what was Jack sulking about?
I think it’s as much his desire to play all the time as apparently some streak of games he’s played for the full 90.
It may have something to do with Jack being at his best for the last 10-15 minutes in games. He seems to take it up another level or 3. I'm still struggling to understand what he was doing tonight; playing so deep Targett replaced him on the left then switching over to the right wing - players seemed to be as confused as me as to where he'd disappeared to.
I'm all for giving him the freedom of Villa Park providing we keep our shape. He's a great lad with immense talent but let's not sacrifice the team for the Jack Show. He thrives on freedom and discipline.
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I dont think Grealish should ever be subbed. it's like brazil subbing pele, you dont do it...unless he's got a hatrick and you want to give him the standing ovation from the fans, however in an empty stadium? in front of the TV I was as incredulous as Jack.
Traore took his time to win me over but is a magnificent talent reminds me of berbatov, strolling round flicks and mad skills.
It was easy work tonight, the swagger we had passing out from the back was amazing though I don't even think we got out of 3rd gear, some of our football is pure silk. It's just sods law after watching years of dog shit we finally start playing and winning with panache, the fans arn't allowed in the stadium to witness.
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Even if Ollie wasn't behind the defender (he looked offside to me to be honest) he still ended up onside because he didn't challenge the defender, and being further away than the defender from the player crossing the ball, it couldn't be argued that he was interfering with him or blocking his view. So unlike midweek, the decision tonight was spot on, as the defender played the ball to him.
If Rodri had stayed 6 feet away from Mings last week, and Mings had given the ball to him, Rodri would have been onside. If Watkins had tried to tackle Schär, he'd have been offside, as Rodri should have been judged to be last match.
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We have come such a long way as to discuss we had an easy win in freezing shit conditions against Newcastle.
We weren’t great in any way compared to other games this season.
But we did the business.
When super JMG and Barkley get there shit together - we are going to do damage
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Even if Ollie wasn't behind the defender (he looked offside to me to be honest) he still ended up onside because he didn't challenge the defender, and being further away than the defender from the player crossing the ball, it couldn't be argued that he was interfering with him or blocking his view. So unlike midweek, the decision tonight was spot on, as the defender played the ball to him.
If Rodri had stayed 6 feet away from Mings last week, and Mings had given the ball to him, Rodri would have been onside. If Watkins had tried to tackle Schär, he'd have been offside, as Rodri should have been judged to be last match.
But he was level / behind the ball played in so was onside initially. Everything else doesn't matter. And if MOTD were so adamant about showing the offside "rule" working in our favour, why didn't they question the one given against Cheltenham when Citeh's own player played it back to another defender and the attacker was adjudged to be offside.
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Would love to see Watkins go on a goal scoring run. Just needs a bit of luck, be great to see him get to 20 for the season
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I have just seen on SKY that the protest banners are up outside St. James Park. I thought Steve Bruce looked absolutely shot in his post match interviews. It was tough to watch.
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Maybe our worst performance in months and we won without conceding one chance. Obviously Bruceball is partly responsible for that, as we know better than most, but it was still as comprehensive a defensive display as we've put in in...actually in not that long. How good are we defensively!?
Agreed, Monty. Our central defence was tested numerous time, far too many considering how poor Newcastle were but we stood strong. Was I the only one that didn't mind Mings knocking the ball out for a throw-in rather than try and play it out from the back? Job done.
thought the exact same when it happened. Kick it into touch lad! Mings and Konsa were very good today. The whole back line were
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Was worried about this one.
Not just because Newcastle are bollocks and it's traditionally the kind of game we make a hames of.
But also because of the recent poxy decisions we've been on the end of. That can have an accumulative effect, and even if there were a few harsh losses in there, a losing run can soon take on a momentum of its own.
But there wasn't any real nervousness about our play at all - even if we were a fair way short of our best.
This could be like O'Dreay's first season; get to the 40 point mark far sooner than expected and kick on in the second half of the season.
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Dean Smith confirms Jack Grealish "had a tight hamstring" and the boss took him off knowing he's on four yellow cards. He was pleased with the clean sheet tonight; says his players over-played in the second half. Refused to comment on Morgan Sanson's impending arrival.
So what was Jack sulking about?
I think it’s as much his desire to play all the time as apparently some streak of games he’s played for the full 90.
Maybe his bonus is contingent on completing the 90 mins.
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I can’t see the what fuss is surrounding Jack. He just wants to play football and has a huge desire to do so. Even though he was completely at the races last night he still created our best chances and also works so hard helping Taggart. What a player.
Overall we didn’t have to change gear and defended those long ball very well. Konsa and Mings were superb again and our full backs are bloody awesome. Big shout out to Marvelous. Super game.
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I do not think we will play a team that presses less. Burnley will be a much stiffer test but we look a very good team. We have gone toe to toe with the 2 manc teams and we all know what happened. This team could become a real force next season and has a shot at Top 6 with a bit of luck and some fair refereeing.
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Even if Ollie wasn't behind the defender (he looked offside to me to be honest) he still ended up onside because he didn't challenge the defender, and being further away than the defender from the player crossing the ball, it couldn't be argued that he was interfering with him or blocking his view. So unlike midweek, the decision tonight was spot on, as the defender played the ball to him.
If Rodri had stayed 6 feet away from Mings last week, and Mings had given the ball to him, Rodri would have been onside. If Watkins had tried to tackle Schär, he'd have been offside, as Rodri should have been judged to be last match.
this is absolutely correct. Why are people having trouble understanding this it is clear in black and white. No need for interpretation or further clarification.
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Even if Ollie wasn't behind the defender (he looked offside to me to be honest) he still ended up onside because he didn't challenge the defender, and being further away than the defender from the player crossing the ball, it couldn't be argued that he was interfering with him or blocking his view. So unlike midweek, the decision tonight was spot on, as the defender played the ball to him.
If Rodri had stayed 6 feet away from Mings last week, and Mings had given the ball to him, Rodri would have been onside. If Watkins had tried to tackle Schär, he'd have been offside, as Rodri should have been judged to be last match.
this is absolutely correct. Why are people having trouble understanding this it is clear in black and white. No need for interpretation or further clarification.
It absolutely isn't.
The only reason that Newcastle defender desperately threw himself at the cross was because he knew Ollie was behind him. If that's not interfering with play we might as well as go home.
The actual fact was Ollie just wasn't offside, at all, because he was behind the ball when it was played. It's pretty much the most basic element of the offside rule.
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Wrong. MOTD put up the lines and Ollie was fractionally offside initially but I refer you to law 11 from that point onwards.
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Routine win of the kind I haven't experienced in years, no stress at all. Even if they'd have spawned one we looked like we had numerous gears to go through.
Thought Konsa was head and shoulders above anyone else on the field, reminded me of Des Walker from yesteryear. I also thought Traore was excellent, a real talent when we have the ball.
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That’s what VAR said. No need to check the offside because the defender deliberately played the ball.
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It feels like that's been the stance because "you can't moan now you've benefitted from it". The difference is if they'd drawn the lines it wasn't offside anyway because he was behind the ball where as everyone knows Rodri was miles offside.
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The two scenarios are completely different though. Oli did not come from an offside position to put pressure on an opponent, but hey we know they'll massage to the narrative to get the outcome they want. All in all it was a professional job done - woukd have liked more goals but I'll take a 2 - 0 win every game.
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"this is absolutely correct. Why are people having trouble understanding this it is clear in black and white. No need for interpretation or further clarification."
Because they want to show how fickle Villa fans are, always moaning, and because we won't believe the PGMOL tell us. The number of times I have heard "read the rule idiot, he's onside as soon as Mings touches it" completely ignoring the other rule which says the player in an offside position cannot challenge or put pressure on an opponent. That is the earlier offence and if the refs really believe that that can be reset then that rule needs changing because it ridiculous and so unlike last nights scenario
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Why people believe a brainless idiot like robbie savage rather than look up the rule for themselves is beyond me. Then they try to tell everyone a so called fact because savage said it is. Bizare
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I don’t care if he was offside or not. It favoured us. :)
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Even if Ollie wasn't behind the defender (he looked offside to me to be honest) he still ended up onside because he didn't challenge the defender, and being further away than the defender from the player crossing the ball, it couldn't be argued that he was interfering with him or blocking his view. So unlike midweek, the decision tonight was spot on, as the defender played the ball to him.
If Rodri had stayed 6 feet away from Mings last week, and Mings had given the ball to him, Rodri would have been onside. If Watkins had tried to tackle Schär, he'd have been offside, as Rodri should have been judged to be last match.
But he was level / behind the ball played in so was onside initially. Everything else doesn't matter. And if MOTD were so adamant about showing the offside "rule" working in our favour, why didn't they question the one given against Cheltenham when Citeh's own player played it back to another defender and the attacker was adjudged to be offside.
This is what that clause was introduced for, not the Rhodri incident. The "it's not my fault the defender's blind" exception.
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Wrong. MOTD put up the lines and Ollie was fractionally offside initially but I refer you to law 11 from that point onwards.
The line MOTD put up was in line with Targett. As others have said Watkins was behind the ball, so not offside
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Even if Ollie wasn't behind the defender (he looked offside to me to be honest) he still ended up onside because he didn't challenge the defender, and being further away than the defender from the player crossing the ball, it couldn't be argued that he was interfering with him or blocking his view. So unlike midweek, the decision tonight was spot on, as the defender played the ball to him.
If Rodri had stayed 6 feet away from Mings last week, and Mings had given the ball to him, Rodri would have been onside. If Watkins had tried to tackle Schär, he'd have been offside, as Rodri should have been judged to be last match.
this is absolutely correct. Why are people having trouble understanding this it is clear in black and white. No need for interpretation or further clarification.
It absolutely isn't.
The only reason that Newcastle defender desperately threw himself at the cross was because he knew Ollie was behind him. If that's not interfering with play we might as well as go home.
The actual fact was Ollie just wasn't offside, at all, because he was behind the ball when it was played. It's pretty much the most basic element of the offside rule.
I have to agree. Watkins is certainly interfering with play when Targett plays that cross. The rule should just be updated that it has to be deliberate pass back. Sky kept prattling on at half time about Villa benefiting from "the rule" but didn't show the line from Targett. Think VAR confirmed the reason it was allowed was for "the rule"?
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Last night was a window into football under Bruce (as we know).
Look how far we have come since we got rid of him.
There is no starker reminder that he has had his day, and it was a long,long time ago.
Oh, and Dougies Twitter ‘burn’ on Jack was just brilliant.
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Watkins is not interfering with play. The law states "It is not an offence to be in an offside position". It becomes an offence if you challenge for the ball. However,If the ball comes to you, COMES TO YOU - NOT YOU GO TO IT, after an opponent deliberately plays it, you are not offside, you are deemed to be played onside.
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Konsa has the uncoachable skill of just knowing where he needs to be, it all looks so simple.
That chance in the second half, when we were left a bit exposed, he could’ve dived in but just stepped back half a yard and blocked it once Fraser had taken the touch. Absolutely top drawer.
Him and Matt Targett are unbeatable at present, they’re going to have to make up some kind of “outstanding achievement in the field of excellence” award for them in lieu of Jack’s Player of the Season title.
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Some observations from me about some of the players yesterday:
- Matinez is very good - didnt have to make critical saves but he is where he has to be (also has long arms and reach) and brings confidence
- Konza is very good - the way he stop players to go behind him (commentators said stats did tell he s benn rounded ONCE all season ...) - with quick feet and smal steps he kind of block every space possible for the attacker
- Barkeley not up to full capacity with passes and shots after injury bur brings kind of dominance to offensive midfield it seems.
- Ramsey an xiting prospect - composure and a bit elegance might (have to metion Cowans did come to mind cause it did happen)
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Think VAR confirmed the reason it was allowed was for "the rule"?
What they said in commentary was that var had indicated that the defender's touch meant there was no need to bother checking whether or not Watkins was offside. Personally, I thought there was enough of a pause in the restart to suggest a brief confab at Stockley Park along the lines of "well, we really can't not give it now, can we?"
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Konsa has the uncoachable skill of just knowing where he needs to be, it all looks so simple.
That chance in the second half, when we were left a bit exposed, he could’ve dived in but just stepped back half a yard and blocked it once Fraser had taken the touch. Absolutely top drawer.
Him and Matt Targett are unbeatable at present, they’re going to have to make up some kind of “outstanding achievement in the field of excellence” award for them in lieu of Jack’s Player of the Season title.
Joking aside, how refreshing is it, that’s it’s not just about jack, as great as he is. Targett showed glimpses last season in between his struggles, but he has been simply superb this season. Konsa is just class, and we go on quite rightly about Ollie Watkins stepping up a division, but what about Matty Cash, first half a season in the premier league, and looks like he’s been playing there for years, such a committed player.
Two very tough away games coming up, but genuinely think we’ll give anyone a game with this group.
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Wrong. MOTD put up the lines and Ollie was fractionally offside initially but I refer you to law 11 from that point onwards.
Wrong. When they put the line up to show he was offside, they failed to notice that the line also showed he was behind the ball, meaning he wasn’t offside at all.
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Yes I think you are right. I bet they wanted to call it but just couldn't haha
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Match of the Day's line. They are fucking idiots. The ball is two yards further forward, you twats.
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Some observations from me about some of the players yesterday:
- Matinez is very good - didnt have to make critical saves but he is where he has to be (also has long arms and reach) and brings confidence
- Konza is very good - the way he stop players to go behind him (commentators said stats did tell he s benn rounded ONCE all season ...) - with quick feet and smal steps he kind of block every space possible for the attacker
- Barkeley not up to full capacity with passes and shots after injury bur brings kind of dominance to offensive midfield it seems.
- Ramsey an xiting prospect - composure and a bit elegance might (have to metion Cowans did come to mind cause it did happen)
I completely agree, and especially on the goalie.
I know Emi is getting plaudits, but not enough in my opinion.
He exudes confidence and it flows into the back 4.
He might just be the most astute signing of the lot.
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Numerous great Managers down the years have stated that having a top quality keeper is the base on which you build it all. He is head and shoulders above every keeper I’ve seen down the Villa in the last 30 years.
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Ignore me, just noticed what line they actually drew.
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Numerous great Managers down the years have stated that having a top quality keeper is the base on which you build it all. He is head and shoulders above every keeper I’ve seen down the Villa in the last 30 years.
He's fantastic but they haven't been all bad, Bosnich, Friedal and Guzan were all top drawer.
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"we gifted them a goal but for large parts of it I was pleased with what we did"
that's a "win" then..
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I felt for Bruce a bit, he just looked and sounded lost, broken. He must have millions in the bank, you sometimes wonder why he puts himself through it. The game has moved on and left him well behind. He's make a good pundit I reckon.
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The Geordies are full of venom about him on their threads. They also not happy with the pundits for defending him as if he’s got a poisoned chalice and that he’s doing his best. Sounds familar.
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Numerous great Managers down the years have stated that having a top quality keeper is the base on which you build it all. He is head and shoulders above every keeper I’ve seen down the Villa in the last 30 years.
He's fantastic but they haven't been all bad, Bosnich, Friedal and Guzan were all top drawer.
Guzan? Really?
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Yes, its natural to only remember the final season but he was very good before that.
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I can remember him playing 1 good game vs qpr (at home) and the rest were meh! He certainly wasn't in the same league as the likes of Bosnich and Friedel and that's without thinking of the relegation season when he was just plain awful.
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I felt for Bruce a bit, he just looked and sounded lost, broken. He must have millions in the bank, you sometimes wonder why he puts himself through it. The game has moved on and left him well behind. He's make a good pundit I reckon.
I think some managers just have it in their blood and want to carry on managing. Hodgson is 73 and Warnock is 70 and they are still going. Bruce would make a decent pundit actually but they even seem to be employing younger ones nowadays.
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Numerous great Managers down the years have stated that having a top quality keeper is the base on which you build it all. He is head and shoulders above every keeper I’ve seen down the Villa in the last 30 years.
He's fantastic but they haven't been all bad, Bosnich, Friedal and Guzan were all top drawer.
Guzan? Really?
yes, and then he lost the plot.
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Guazan was mostly awful. Couple of good saves here and there, but he certainly was never top drawer. His career trajectory after leaving us has been strictly down hill, and he's still only 36.
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Konsa has the uncoachable skill of just knowing where he needs to be, it all looks so simple.
now who does that remind you of?
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I can remember him playing 1 good game vs qpr (at home) and the rest were meh! He certainly wasn't in the same league as the likes of Bosnich and Friedel and that's without thinking of the relegation season when he was just plain awful.
He had a good season. I recall at the start of that season I said Guzan and Benteke would keep us up and so being right was quite memorable for me as you can imagine.
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Quite hard to compare keepers. Martinez is excellent but Heaton may have developed to be as good.. He never really got a chance for long enough to say.
Earlier keepers appeared rubbish but played behind leaky back fours.
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Watching the second goal again, Newcastle had every player in their box at the moment Traore shot. Eleven players failing to come even remotely close to laying a glove on either Grealish having two touches and Traore one. They look fooked.
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One thing I will say about Guzan is that save against QPR is perhaps the best save I've ever seen a Villa keeper pull off.
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Back to the game. I don’t think we got out of 2nd gear but didn’t need to against a pretty woeful, dispirited team. Marvellous had his best game for us, not a pass out of place! Konsa MOTM, what a player he will become if he’s this good now. I don’t want to gripe after a win but overall, 2nd half especially we were far too sloppy at times.
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Guzan had a really good spell in the side where he seemed to save everything. I'm not too sure about him being 'mostly awful' but he definitely wasn't top drawer either.
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Guzan was mostly decent. Wouldn’t describe him as "top drawer" but certainly far from awful, until the Annus Horribilis.
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Guazan was mostly awful. Couple of good saves here and there, but he certainly was never top drawer. His career trajectory after leaving us has been strictly down hill, and he's still only 36.
I didn’t rate Friedel much. Apart from an outstanding game at Old Trafford once I don’t remember him making great saves all the time
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Guazan was mostly awful. Couple of good saves here and there, but he certainly was never top drawer. His career trajectory after leaving us has been strictly down hill, and he's still only 36.
I didn’t rate Friedel much. Apart from an outstanding game at Old Trafford once I don’t remember him making great saves all the time
Friedel was over the the top when with us; too slow IMO.
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I completely agree with the decision to sub Jack. The game was finished - result not in doubt - a few minutes left to play and obviously tiredness beginning to creep in. Jack had just had a little bit of "afters" with Shelvey and it only needed him to make a challenge that was a fraction late or something similar and it would be a yellow card and out of the Burnley match. Far better to upset him and bring him off and be available for Turf Moor than to be sitting in the stands for 90 minutes that night.
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Guzan's best for us was miles better than Friedel's best. His worst for us was miles worse.
They were both more good than bad. But neither anything close to what Martinez is currently showing.
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Yep I saw that with Voldemort , I think he was a bit frustrated with his performance ( still bloody good). Made sense
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Guazan was mostly awful. Couple of good saves here and there, but he certainly was never top drawer. His career trajectory after leaving us has been strictly down hill, and he's still only 36.
I didn’t rate Friedel much. Apart from an outstanding game at Old Trafford once I don’t remember him making great saves all the time
I wasn't a fan either. Always looked very small in the goal. Another one who wouldn't leave his goal line even with a hurricane behind him. Guzan certainly had a very decent spell for us under Lambert early on, keeping Given out of the team. But by the end he was a horror show like most in that team. Felt sorry for him when Lambert tried his playing out from the back philosophy, skating around like end line like bambi on ice.
Martinez is a different level to anyone else we have had since Bosnich. Just his presence alone is improving all those in front of him.
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The state of Molineux Mix, FFS
We're having our "best season ever". How many times have they finished above us in the last 50 years?
(https://i.ibb.co/pyNhYb9/Screenshot-2021-01-24-at-11-39-02.png)
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Tbf most their fans joined them 3 years ago so to them this is our "best season ever".
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Tbf most their fans joined them 3 years ago so to them this is our "best season ever".
Quite and that 7 points ahead ignores that we’ve got two games in hand.
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The state of Molineux Mix, FFS
We're having our "best season ever". How many times have they finished above us in the last 50 years?
(https://i.ibb.co/pyNhYb9/Screenshot-2021-01-24-at-11-39-02.png)
This is the pain they have of realising their little stint of being better than us for the first time since the 1950s, is over.
Mind the gap, mind the gap Aston Villa is now safely filed with Pride of the Midlands, We Know What We Are and the tides turning.
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Tbf most their fans joined them 3 years ago so to them this is our "best season ever".
Quite and that 7 points ahead ignores that we’ve got two games in hand.
And that we've won 20 trophies and had as many top 6 finishes as they had fans in the 4th division.
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Jack just hated coming off. I love that desire
Acting the maggot I thought, should have showed Ramsey a bit of encouragement not behaving like a spoiled child. Barkley not much better.
It was a hard enough watch in truth. Newcastle were worse than any of us even thought possible. Our back five were solid, Konsa and Targett in particular. Watkins very sharp and Nakamba justified his inclusion with a solid performance. Didn't like Luiz further forward and Barkley still struggling for fitness. Our midfield play was in the main slow and sloppy.
Martinez 7, Cash 7, Konsa 8, Mings 7, Targett 8, Luiz 5, Barkley 5, Traore 6, Nakamba 7, Jack 7, Watkins 8.
A 'hard watch'? We've spent the last 10 years being shit, with shit players, hoofing the ball up field and more often than not losing.
If watching Villa cruise a win over a team who last season were well above us, completely in control, occasionally thowing in some cracking little pieces of skill, having the commentators praising us and never looking like conceding is a hard watch, then I hope for plenty more hard watches over the next few years because I bloody loved it.
Amen. We are witnessing the best Villa team in a long time who play some amazing football yet we have fans who just look for negatives? I just don't understand some of our fans.
What's more, with the number of fixtures coming up, an easier run out was just the ticket.
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The state of Molineux Mix, FFS
We're having our "best season ever". How many times have they finished above us in the last 50 years?
(https://i.ibb.co/pyNhYb9/Screenshot-2021-01-24-at-11-39-02.png)
This is the pain they have of realising their little stint of being better than us for the first time since the 1950s, is over.
Mind the gap, mind the gap Aston Villa is now safely filed with Pride of the Midlands, We Know What We Are and the tides turning.
In the big folder named "They took a swing and missed".
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I completely agree with the decision to sub Jack. The game was finished - result not in doubt - a few minutes left to play and obviously tiredness beginning to creep in. Jack had just had a little bit of "afters" with Shelvey and it only needed him to make a challenge that was a fraction late or something similar and it would be a yellow card and out of the Burnley match. Far better to upset him and bring him off and be available for Turf Moor than to be sitting in the stands for 90 minutes that night.
Hadn’t really thought of that, but think you have nailed why they took him off. Just need to get him and Targett through the next two games without a booking and the slate is wiped clean I think.
In terms of goalies, I’ve seen Rimmer albeit sparingly in the early 80s, through Spink, Poole, Butler, Bozzie, Sorensen, Carson, James, Friedal, Guzan, Given, Collini, Nyland, the fat sub fella, Steer, Heaton, there’s probably a few I’ve missed.
Not fair to judge them all to the same criteria as some weren’t there long enough, or like Heaton got badly injured. Bozzie was always my favourite, but as mad as it sounds, only 17 games in, Martinez is fast becoming my favourite ever villa keeper. He just never looks like he’s not going to catch a cross, his long range passing is mostly sublime, he also seems to be a key character in the dressing room and seems to love playing for us.
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Guazan was mostly awful. Couple of good saves here and there, but he certainly was never top drawer. His career trajectory after leaving us has been strictly down hill, and he's still only 36.
Agreed. Apart from a flurry of penalty saves he was absolute shit in a Villa shirt.
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Guazan was mostly awful. Couple of good saves here and there, but he certainly was never top drawer. His career trajectory after leaving us has been strictly down hill, and he's still only 36.
Agreed. Apart from a flurry of penalty saves he was absolute shit in a Villa shirt.
Me too, pile of shite.
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Even if Ollie wasn't behind the defender (he looked offside to me to be honest) he still ended up onside because he didn't challenge the defender, and being further away than the defender from the player crossing the ball, it couldn't be argued that he was interfering with him or blocking his view. So unlike midweek, the decision tonight was spot on, as the defender played the ball to him.
If Rodri had stayed 6 feet away from Mings last week, and Mings had given the ball to him, Rodri would have been onside. If Watkins had tried to tackle Schär, he'd have been offside, as Rodri should have been judged to be last match.
this is absolutely correct. Why are people having trouble understanding this it is clear in black and white. No need for interpretation or further clarification.
It absolutely isn't.
The only reason that Newcastle defender desperately threw himself at the cross was because he knew Ollie was behind him. If that's not interfering with play we might as well as go home.
The actual fact was Ollie just wasn't offside, at all, because he was behind the ball when it was played. It's pretty much the most basic element of the offside rule.
If Watkins had not been behind the ball when it was kicked, he should have been offside.
The Offsite rule states A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area)
The defender did not know that Watkins was onside or offside and had to play the ball to try and prevent Watkins scoring. Watkins would have been gaining an advantage. In a similar way, Rodri should have been offside. Both are different to a defender making a back pass that goes to the attacker, for which the rule (I believe) was intended.
Interpretation of the rules are made up by officials, pundits and other 'experts' as they go along. I think the FA should come out with a detailed explanation of each rule with as many different examples of each situation and publish videos of each that football from top to bottom could learn from.
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The state of Molineux Mix, FFS
We're having our "best season ever". How many times have they finished above us in the last 50 years?
(https://i.ibb.co/pyNhYb9/Screenshot-2021-01-24-at-11-39-02.png)
Wolves Jack might actually be retarded. Or 11 years old. One of the two.
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The state of Molineux Mix, FFS
We're having our "best season ever". How many times have they finished above us in the last 50 years?
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They clearly watch us a lot.
They've got more than 2 or 3 who are championship standard yet Grealish lifts them. Hause! Watkins isn't all that good. Has potential. Konsa - Championship. Luiz been very ordinary this season
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Guzan was a good shot stopper for a period of time but his domination in the air was poor for most of the time and with the ball at his feet, he was poor all of the time. Goalkeeping has changed completely over the years with the changes in rules. Also, the changes in balls has changed the way keepers save shots.
The days of seeing Colin Withers to now are light years apart. Still remember the days when it was unusual to see a keeper being able to kick the ball much further than the halfway line and that was from hand. Keepers were a lot tougher as they were less protected by the rules and the interpreting of the rules but keepers these days are far fitter and more agile.
I like Martinez as he is big, strong and agile. Probably not the best in any of those categories but is very good in each. He reminds me more of an older style keeper than the modern type. It could be due to being from South America.
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Guzan was a good shot stopper for a period of time but his domination in the air was poor for most of the time and with the ball at his feet, he was poor all of the time. Goalkeeping has changed completely over the years with the changes in rules. Also, the changes in balls has changed the way keepers save shots.
The days of seeing Colin Withers to now are light years apart. Still remember the days when it was unusual to see a keeper being able to kick the ball much further than the halfway line and that was from hand. Keepers were a lot tougher as they were less protected by the rules and the interpreting of the rules but keepers these days are far fitter and more agile.
I like Martinez as he is big, strong and agile. Probably not the best in any of those categories but is very good in each. He reminds me more of an older style keeper than the modern type. It could be due to being from South America.
Guzan ended up losing his confidence as did a number of other players in the Lambert years due to our poor results.
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Guzan was a good shot stopper for a period of time but his domination in the air was poor for most of the time and with the ball at his feet, he was poor all of the time. Goalkeeping has changed completely over the years with the changes in rules. Also, the changes in balls has changed the way keepers save shots.
The days of seeing Colin Withers to now are light years apart. Still remember the days when it was unusual to see a keeper being able to kick the ball much further than the halfway line and that was from hand. Keepers were a lot tougher as they were less protected by the rules and the interpreting of the rules but keepers these days are far fitter and more agile.
I like Martinez as he is big, strong and agile. Probably not the best in any of those categories but is very good in each. He reminds me more of an older style keeper than the modern type. It could be due to being from South America.
Guzan ended up losing his confidence as did a number of other players in the Lambert years due to our poor results.
Was it Guxzan who's kicking was completely shit. Did he not always hoof it straight out for a throw.
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Watching this back on Sky now. The move for Watkins disallowed goal was fucking brilliant and was almost the double of Louie Barrys goal against Liverpool.
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I felt for Bruce a bit, he just looked and sounded lost, broken. He must have millions in the bank, you sometimes wonder why he puts himself through it. The game has moved on and left him well behind. He's make a good pundit I reckon.
I agree he does not need to be humiliated just to pile up more cash.
Yes he does talk a good game and will do well on the punditry circuit however even that has moved on now and dominated by recent ex-players.
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Watching this back on Sky now. The move for Watkins disallowed goal was fucking brilliant and was almost the double of Louie Barrys goal against Liverpool.
I've just watched it too (extended highlights are up on Villa TV now). Mings showing what he can bring to our party with a loop around the back of Targett, receiving the pass and getting his head up before picking the perfect pass into Grealish. Lovely move.
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I dont think Grealish should ever be subbed. it's like brazil subbing pele, you dont do it...unless he's got a hatrick and you want to give him the standing ovation from the fans, however in an empty stadium? in front of the TV I was as incredulous as Jack.
And if he had pinged the tight hamstring that Deano said he had during the week and missed the next six games?
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Watching the second goal again, Newcastle had every player in their box at the moment Traore shot. Eleven players failing to come even remotely close to laying a glove on either Grealish having two touches and Traore one. They look fooked.
Carragher laboured the point that the Barcodes were dreadful at closing down their opponents.
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Guazan was mostly awful. Couple of good saves here and there, but he certainly was never top drawer. His career trajectory after leaving us has been strictly down hill, and he's still only 36.
Agreed. Apart from a flurry of penalty saves he was absolute shit in a Villa shirt.
Me too, pile of shite.
His Villa career may have started and ended disappointingly but Guzan did have a golden period and kept us in the Premier League one season with some vital saves. One that stands out was against QPR at the Holte End in a relegation six pointer. A Chris Samba header I think. It was an incredible save. That save ironically was in the same game that an equally brilliant free kick winner was scored by the much maligned Charles N'Zogbia.
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Match of the Day making a complete horlicks of Ollie's goal tonight.
Ollie was onside because he was behind the ball when it was played.
They're trying to make out we've benefited from the same rule we were robbed on against Man City when it's got nothing to do with it!
Very True - why can't so called experts realise this?
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Watching the second goal again, Newcastle had every player in their box at the moment Traore shot. Eleven players failing to come even remotely close to laying a glove on either Grealish having two touches and Traore one. They look fooked.
Carragher laboured the point that the Barcodes were dreadful at closing down their opponents.
It becomes something a manager can point to as unquestionable commitment from his players when they're all in there 'scrapping', when in truth it's a lack of any tactical plan and a collective fear of taking individual responsibility.
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Guzan was a good shot stopper for a period of time but his domination in the air was poor for most of the time and with the ball at his feet, he was poor all of the time. Goalkeeping has changed completely over the years with the changes in rules. Also, the changes in balls has changed the way keepers save shots.
The days of seeing Colin Withers to now are light years apart. Still remember the days when it was unusual to see a keeper being able to kick the ball much further than the halfway line and that was from hand. Keepers were a lot tougher as they were less protected by the rules and the interpreting of the rules but keepers these days are far fitter and more agile.
I like Martinez as he is big, strong and agile. Probably not the best in any of those categories but is very good in each. He reminds me more of an older style keeper than the modern type. It could be due to being from South America.
Old timer, like you.
Martinez commands his area and distributes the football better than any I have ever seen.
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Last night was the first time in a good while that I did not want to put my foot through the telly with some of the decisions going against of late. An easy, no-nonsense, straight forward win.
Martinez - again assured and confident. The back four must love having such a great keeper behind them. 8/10
Cash - I was a little puzzled to why we needed to go out and buy yet another right-back at the beginning of the season, but Matty Cash is head and shoulders above what we have already. Is there a better right back in England on present form? 8/10
Konsa - He grows more and more assured with every game. Excellent again last night and surely he must make Southgate's squad soon. A great stat from one of the commentators last night was Ezri has only been beaten once on a one on one situation all season. No other defender has done that. 9/10
Mings - Better. I still think he is prone to lapses in concentration, however, last night he seemed to put his foot through the ball more often whenever he found himself in a tight situation. I think one of his many strong points is his vocal support to the back four. 7/10
Targett - Matty mk2 has been outstanding this season.
I have to be honest, I wanted us to be rid of him but the change around in performances have been astounding. Again, if he keeps playing like he is it is only a matter of time that Southgate has got to take notice. 8/10
Nakamba - I thought he was excellent last night and my MOTM.. Composed on the ball and kept it very simple. He offered himself up confidently to receive the ball from the back four very much in the same vein as Dougie does and showed great composure with it. 9/10
Luiz - Tremendous player and if what was said last night by one of the pundits that Pep looks like not taking up the option to take him back to Man City, then all the better for us. 8/10
Grealish - As expected from Jack, he showed why he is top of the leader board for assists this season.
I thought he had one of his quieter games last night, however, he still showed moments of what a genuine world-class player he has become.
Jack does need to cut out the petulant little outbursts he seems to have in him though when things are not going his way. last night's example was retaliating after the defender took him down, he sort of pushed the player in the back when he was on the floor. Because of who he is, this will get him into trouble more often than not. 8/10
Barkley - Still thought he looked a little bit rusty but nowhere near as bad as some are making him out to be. A great foil for Jack and his presence in the team will only help Ollie, in the long run, get more goals. 7/10
Traore - Seems to be gaining more confidence the more games he plays, however, he could be better at tracking back. I think Trez is more ideally suited on the right for aways games unless Bert improves this part of his game. 8/10
Watkins - As I have said before, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Ollie is going to become one hell of a player. On his showing to date, our record signing is looking like a bit of a bargain. 9/10
Subs - El Goalzi 7/10. Trez 7/10, Ramsey 7/10
Dean and the coaching staff have worked tremendously hard to turn around a team that was relegation certs not twelve months ago to a side that now looks like they will be extremely disappointed if they do not qualify for Europe.
#UTV!
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Even if Ollie wasn't behind the defender (he looked offside to me to be honest) he still ended up onside because he didn't challenge the defender, and being further away than the defender from the player crossing the ball, it couldn't be argued that he was interfering with him or blocking his view. So unlike midweek, the decision tonight was spot on, as the defender played the ball to him.
If Rodri had stayed 6 feet away from Mings last week, and Mings had given the ball to him, Rodri would have been onside. If Watkins had tried to tackle Schär, he'd have been offside, as Rodri should have been judged to be last match.
this is absolutely correct. Why are people having trouble understanding this it is clear in black and white. No need for interpretation or further clarification.
It absolutely isn't.
The only reason that Newcastle defender desperately threw himself at the cross was because he knew Ollie was behind him. If that's not interfering with play we might as well as go home.
The actual fact was Ollie just wasn't offside, at all, because he was behind the ball when it was played. It's pretty much the most basic element of the offside rule.
If Watkins had not been behind the ball when it was kicked, he should have been offside.
The Offsite rule states A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area)
The defender did not know that Watkins was onside or offside and had to play the ball to try and prevent Watkins scoring. Watkins would have been gaining an advantage. In a similar way, Rodri should have been offside. Both are different to a defender making a back pass that goes to the attacker, for which the rule (I believe) was intended.
Interpretation of the rules are made up by officials, pundits and other 'experts' as they go along. I think the FA should come out with a detailed explanation of each rule with as many different examples of each situation and publish videos of each that football from top to bottom could learn from.
But Schar's touch wasn't a save was it? It was an interception, or an attempted interception. Before that the ball was certainly not going in the goal and I wouldn't say it was going close to the goal either as it was played across, not towards the goal. Therefore that bit of the law wouldn't apply. I'd say Watkins was behind the ball anyway, but even if he wasn't, this was an incident where the rule used (incorrectly) against us at Man City would apply, because Watkins received the ball, he didn't challenge for it or interfere with the opponent's ability to play the ball.
One other thing about the offside law - it mentions head, body or feet, but nothing about other parts of the leg such as knee or any part of the arm. Would they count knees as pat of the body?
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Guzan was a good shot stopper for a period of time but his domination in the air was poor for most of the time and with the ball at his feet, he was poor all of the time. Goalkeeping has changed completely over the years with the changes in rules. Also, the changes in balls has changed the way keepers save shots.
The days of seeing Colin Withers to now are light years apart. Still remember the days when it was unusual to see a keeper being able to kick the ball much further than the halfway line and that was from hand. Keepers were a lot tougher as they were less protected by the rules and the interpreting of the rules but keepers these days are far fitter and more agile.
I like Martinez as he is big, strong and agile. Probably not the best in any of those categories but is very good in each. He reminds me more of an older style keeper than the modern type. It could be due to being from South America.
My first keeper was John Dunn (?) without checking the records but Jim Coombs was my favourite. He also played cricket which I thought was great. Jimmy Rimmer was a fabulous keeper as was Spink and Bossy. Martinez gives me the most confidence though, the first proper keeper we’ve had in years
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Last night was the first time in a good while that I did not want to put my foot through the telly with some of the decisions going against of late. An easy, no-nonsense, straight forward win.
Martinez - again assured and confident. The back four must love having such a great keeper behind them. 8/10
Cash - I was a little puzzled to why we needed to go out and buy yet another right-back at the beginning of the season, but Matty Cash is head and shoulders above what we have already. Is there a better right back in England on present form? 8/10
Konsa - He grows more and more assured with every game. Excellent again last night and surely he must make Southgate's squad soon. A great stat from one of the commentators last night was Ezri has only been beaten once on a one on one situation all season. No other defender has done that. 9/10
Mings - Better. I still think he is prone to lapses in concentration, however, last night he seemed to put his foot through the ball more often whenever he found himself in a tight situation. I think one of his many strong points is his vocal support to the back four. 7/10
Targett - Matty mk2 has been outstanding this season.
I have to be honest, I wanted us to be rid of him but the change around in performances have been astounding. Again, if he keeps playing like he is it is only a matter of time that Southgate has got to take notice. 8/10
Nakamba - I thought he was excellent last night and my MOTM.. Composed on the ball and kept it very simple. He offered himself up confidently to receive the ball from the back four very much in the same vein as Dougie does and showed great composure with it. 9/10
Luiz - Tremendous player and if what was said last night by one of the pundits that Pep looks like not taking up the option to take him back to Man City, then all the better for us. 8/10
Grealish - As expected from Jack, he showed why he is top of the leader board for assists this season.
I thought he had one of his quieter games last night, however, he still showed moments of what a genuine world-class player he has become.
Jack does need to cut out the petulant little outbursts he seems to have in him though when things are not going his way. last night's example was retaliating after the defender took him down, he sort of pushed the player in the back when he was on the floor. Because of who he is, this will get him into trouble more often than not. 8/10
Barkley - Still thought he looked a little bit rusty but nowhere near as bad as some are making him out to be. A great foil for Jack and his presence in the team will only help Ollie, in the long run, get more goals. 7/10
Traore - Seems to be gaining more confidence the more games he plays, however, he could be better at tracking back. I think Trez is more ideally suited on the right for aways games unless Bert improves this part of his game. 8/10
Watkins - As I have said before, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Ollie is going to become one hell of a player. On his showing to date, our record signing is looking like a bit of a bargain. 9/10
Subs - El Goalzi 7/10. Trez 7/10, Ramsey 7/10
Dean and the coaching staff have worked tremendously hard to turn around a team that was relegation certs not twelve months ago to a side that now looks like they will be extremely disappointed if they do not qualify for Europe.
#UTV!
Really, Trez should have made it three - nil with the last kick of the game.
Another day, that costs us a point or points. He needs to finish better.
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Watching the second goal again, Newcastle had every player in their box at the moment Traore shot. Eleven players failing to come even remotely close to laying a glove on either Grealish having two touches and Traore one. They look fooked.
Carragher laboured the point that the Barcodes were dreadful at closing down their opponents.
Shelvey in particular was an absolute joke I thought yesterday. Didn't try a leg without the ball.Carragher made reference to him not wanting to run out to the wings to make a tackle for the first goal. If a central midfielder in this division doesn't want to run or tackle then he shouldn't be on the pitch. Bruce somehow gave him 90 minutes.
Jeff Hendrick was dreadful too, a nothing player. From an Irish perspective he was our best player in Euro 2016 but has been dire for club and country since. If they keep those two as a centre midfield pair they will go down for sure. Was so easy for our midfielders to get turned on the ball under zero pressure throughout.
Remind me of the likes of KEA, Holman, Westwood, Ireland etc that we used have in the horrible McLeish/Lambert days.
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Have to say I’m pretty surprised by people on this thread saying that Bruce would make a good pundit. If you’re looking for tired, outdated cliches with paint-by-numbers, meaningless ramblings then yeah, he’d be your man.
If you’re looking for insightful tactical analysis (as per the best modern day pundits) then I don’t think Steve Bruce inhabits such a world.
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The state of Molineux Mix, FFS
We're having our "best season ever". How many times have they finished above us in the last 50 years?
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That’s 7 points ahead and two games in hand you utter bell end.
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I genuinely think Newcastle were so piss poor last night, we'd have won that game if we'd fielded the Academy kids who played against Liverpool.
What i liked was the fact we cruised through that match without ever getting out of first gear. It was so, so easy, we just did what we needed to do, in a period where we're playing a lot of football and carrying players who have just had covid.
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Cruised to a win , 2nd half we over played as it was so easy.
Marv did very well but thats been a recurring theme , any player coming in Hause,AEG have all done well.In Jack ,Bert,AEG and Trez we have 4 players who can all score and create it gives us alot of options going forward.
Konsa tough not that tested was a rock , if Mings is England quality he is as well
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Guazan was mostly awful. Couple of good saves here and there, but he certainly was never top drawer. His career trajectory after leaving us has been strictly down hill, and he's still only 36.
Agreed. Apart from a flurry of penalty saves he was absolute shit in a Villa shirt.
Well, he was named player of the season in the season that Benteke scored 19 league goals for us. It was a poor season for us generally sure but he was excellent in it.
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As easy a game as we'll have. We are electric going forward.
My MOTM was Marv.
Targett, Konsa and Traore also excellent. Nice to see Trez back too.
Someone should tell Jack that he'd be feeling like that most weeks if he ever moves to Utd or City.
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We are amazing. I just watched the highlights, missed the game because we were doing an online performance thing for our mate's 50th. In the 3 minutes there was not one Newcastle effort shown. Our defence is ticking I don't care what any of you may think of Mings, he is the organiser and the beating heart of that back 4. Did anybody read the Guardian article about Konsa? He rates Tyrone so highly abd credits him and Terry as the major factors in his continuing improvement.
The mids get there game on, Luiz is unfussy and holds the the rest in shape, McGinn runs all day long....
Traore may not track back as much as we like but he adds another dimension going forward and maybe we should accept his frailties and adapt to them?
This team is, in terms of ability, probably the best I have seen. I am so proud to be a Villa fan at this time. We are exemplary.
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It was a 2-0 thrashing! Delighted with how we play, our togetherness, our skill!
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Our team are currently one of the most entertaining teams to watch in the country. Talented players all over the pitch who are growing match by match and a manager and coaches that want to win in an entertaining way, wow aren’t we lucky
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I never noticed this until I have just this on Twitter. All eleven Newcastle players were in the box when Jack found Traoré.
(https://i.ibb.co/DWyTsmh/97-B83-C07-3-E19-4-EE5-96-E3-2-C3-A22-B4-DBEF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DWyTsmh)
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I completely agree with the decision to sub Jack. The game was finished - result not in doubt - a few minutes left to play and obviously tiredness beginning to creep in. Jack had just had a little bit of "afters" with Shelvey and it only needed him to make a challenge that was a fraction late or something similar and it would be a yellow card and out of the Burnley match. Far better to upset him and bring him off and be available for Turf Moor than to be sitting in the stands for 90 minutes that night.
Hadn’t really thought of that, but think you have nailed why they took him off. Just need to get him and Targett through the next two games without a booking and the slate is wiped clean I think.
In terms of goalies, I’ve seen Rimmer albeit sparingly in the early 80s, through Spink, Poole, Butler, Bozzie, Sorensen, Carson, James, Friedal, Guzan, Given, Collini, Nyland, the fat sub fella, Steer, Heaton, there’s probably a few I’ve missed.
Not fair to judge them all to the same criteria as some weren’t there long enough, or like Heaton got badly injured. Bozzie was always my favourite, but as mad as it sounds, only 17 games in, Martinez is fast becoming my favourite ever villa keeper. He just never looks like he’s not going to catch a cross, his long range passing is mostly sublime, he also seems to be a key character in the dressing room and seems to love playing for us.
Martinez has everything. But the standout features for me are his positional sense and his ball control and distribution. He can pass a ball way better than some of the outfield players we’ve had in the recent past. It’s almost like having a sweeper as an extra player. I think it was the City game where he came charging out and headed the ball away and he came out and cleared against Newcastle at least once. This puts him ahead of Bossie in my view.
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Cruised to a win , 2nd half we over played as it was so easy.
Marv did very well but thats been a recurring theme , any player coming in Hause,AEG have all done well.In Jack ,Bert,AEG and Trez we have 4 players who can all score and create it gives us alot of options going forward.
Konsa tough not that tested was a rock , if Mings is England quality he is as well
Southgate could do a lot worse than pick the entire Villa back 4 on their current form.
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Cruised to a win , 2nd half we over played as it was so easy.
Marv did very well but thats been a recurring theme , any player coming in Hause,AEG have all done well.In Jack ,Bert,AEG and Trez we have 4 players who can all score and create it gives us alot of options going forward.
Konsa tough not that tested was a rock , if Mings is England quality he is as well
Southgate could do a lot worse than pick the entire Villa back 4 on their current form.
The media would never allow that!
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If you discount the two dodgy penalties and the Rule 11 goal, that’s one genuine goal in two games against City and Utd. It’s not like we were lucky it wasn’t a lot more. Which it would’ve been in previous seasons.
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On Friday night I really enjoyed the first half, but got very frustrated that we didn't go on to funeral them second half, but reflecting on it since, how refreshing is it to have an easy win where we can take our foot of the gas and be fancy dans due to a great first half performance. And why should they go and risk injury/suspension etc. by going hell for leather 2nd half.
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....In the 3 minutes there was not one Newcastle effort shown. ...
There's a really good reason for that. We had 1 shot on target from about 25yds, right at the beginning of the match. After that? Nowt.
It's so stark the difference between the two clubs. Both fairly recently promoted, one on the up with ambitious owners, the other heading down with barely a whimper.
No complaints about the result whatsoever, you lot absolutely deserved all 3 pts, if they handed out minus points we should have picked up a couple of them too.
Quite how Bruce has a Premier League job in 2021 is beyond me, he's proven over his career that he's not up to the rigours of the top flight. Hell, he couldn't even get you lot promoted from the Championship. I honestly had hoped that a loss to you would have been the final nail, but instead we've appointed another assistant coach and it appears Bruce's job is safe until the end of the season. Can only see the trigger being pulled early if we're in the bottom three for 2-3 fixtures.