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Title: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on January 21, 2021, 11:42:12 AM
I hope the players have blown off some cobwebs and have ample fire in the gut to go out and beat Newcastle on Saturday.

Martinez

Targett
Mings
Konsa
Cash

Dougie
Ramsey

Barkley

Grealish
Watkins
El Ghazi

The same level of commitment defensively and off the ball, but I expect us 10 yards further up the pitch and right on the front foot. No excuses, lets beat them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Dave P on January 21, 2021, 11:46:02 AM
I imagine Traore will keep him place instead of El Ghazi but I think we'll beat these and beat them well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Nev on January 21, 2021, 11:48:00 AM
We should hammer the alehouse football merchants but need to be careful not to be too complacent.

If I was Dean I'd be playing on the injustice side of last night but also emphasise the need to be professional as well. Play our game, Ramsey in for McGinn.

3-0
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: in exile on January 21, 2021, 11:55:49 AM
3-0
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 21, 2021, 12:16:46 PM
Newcastle are a definition of mediocrity and that's when they are doing OK. They are not doing OK at the moment so we can have no reasons not to win comfortably.

2-0 Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
Could do with a win here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: andyh on January 21, 2021, 12:22:50 PM
We need to, and should, stuff these fuckers out of sight.

Channel all the anger from last night into a 5-0 mauling.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Pat Mustard on January 21, 2021, 12:25:48 PM
If we score early this will be an absolute mauling - I could genuinely see us getting 5,6 or even 7.  Newcastle have virtually nothing going forward, complete plodders in midfield and a defence that will fold like a pack of cards if they go a couple behind.

6-0 to Villa and Watkins to get a hat-trick.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on January 21, 2021, 01:26:09 PM
I will be very disappointed if we don't take all three points from this one. Newcastle are fifteenth and have drawn one and lost four of their last five games. Their squad on paper isn't anything special. Hopefully we will all be playing Bruce bingo and ticking off all of his usual excuses after we beat them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: CT on January 21, 2021, 01:36:00 PM
Did chuckle when I read somewhere ďWith Dean Smith being sent off, it means there wonít be a football manager in either dugout at the weekendĒ.

I hope weíve got some pent up rage saved up and we absolutely smash these out of sight. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2021, 01:39:19 PM
I think it may be tougher than some people think. Bruce will set them up to keep it tight so we may have to be patient. That said, I've not seen Newcastle play recently so I don't know how bad they've been.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: CT on January 21, 2021, 01:43:37 PM
I think it may be tougher than some people think. Bruce will set them up to keep it tight so we may have to be patient. That said, I've not seen Newcastle play recently so I don't know how bad they've been.

They havenít scored for 13 hours apparently, so I think we know whatís coming!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 21, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Early goal and we'll be fine in this as they're very poor and we match up pretty well v them anyway.

3-0.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 21, 2021, 01:51:16 PM
I think it may be tougher than some people think. Bruce will set them up to keep it tight so we may have to be patient. That said, I've not seen Newcastle play recently so I don't know how bad they've been.

Losing to Sheffield United (even with 10 men) without having a serious shot for over an hour is all you need to know.

If you can't impose yourselves on a team who pre kick off had 2 points in middle of January you know you have issues.

They will just come for a 0-0 and we'd have to play our worst 90 minutes of the season to lose this so  not too concerned.

Do the things we've been doing pretty much all season and we'll win this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 21, 2021, 01:53:40 PM
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Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: BC Villain on January 21, 2021, 01:55:40 PM
I think it may be tougher than some people think. Bruce will set them up to keep it tight so we may have to be patient. That said, I've not seen Newcastle play recently so I don't know how bad they've been.

Losing to Sheffield United (even with 10 men) without having a serious shot for over an hour is all you need to know.

You wouldn't put it past Bruce to shithouse a result and for all his media mates to argue it serves us right for getting rid of him
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2021, 01:58:49 PM
We've got to batter these, absolutely no excuses whatsoever. They are dreadful, we are good, but if we don't start winning some of our games in hand, we're going to end up in a disappointing lower mid table position.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 21, 2021, 02:07:44 PM
I think it may be tougher than some people think. Bruce will set them up to keep it tight so we may have to be patient. That said, I've not seen Newcastle play recently so I don't know how bad they've been.

Losing to Sheffield United (even with 10 men) without having a serious shot for over an hour is all you need to know.

You wouldn't put it past Bruce to shithouse a result and for all his media mates to argue it serves us right for getting rid of him

Maybe he can but they'll still be fighting relegation into the final weeks given how bad they've been in last 6 weeks while we will hopefully be comfortable top half. Burnley-Fulham is a postponed game so the winner of that would close things on Newcastle.

Early goal is key otherwise we risk it being another Burnley type one.

Fancy Ollie to end his goal drought as think he'll get some Liverpool one v ones with their backline compared to all the scrambled crosses he seems to get.

What I do expect from SB is endless talk of us spending 200m since he left while he had to make do with his "waif and strays" of Snodgrass, John Terry, Jack, McGinn, Tammy Abraham and Kodjia while he managed us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2021, 02:09:16 PM
Pity we don't have Conor for the set-pieces. I fear a really frustrating draw.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: john e on January 21, 2021, 02:21:12 PM
Anything other than a win will make it our worst result of the season

anything from 2 to 5 nil for me
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Gerrin on January 21, 2021, 02:26:32 PM
I think it may be tougher than some people think. Bruce will set them up to keep it tight so we may have to be patient. That said, I've not seen Newcastle play recently so I don't know how bad they've been.

We will definitely need to be patient, it will be a case of figuring out a way of breaking them down. Wilson is a threat, but they rarely attempt to get out of their own half. Certainly won't be end to end stuff like last night.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 21, 2021, 02:28:24 PM
Every time we seem to be playing well along comes a team and the match thread talk about 3-0 5-0 etc

And the inevitable happens.

keep our focus and we are good enough.

I think if we win and win comfortably then that could be the end for Potato head - would make it doubly enjoyable if so
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on January 21, 2021, 02:33:19 PM
that's too harsh, he did a reasonable job with us and got us within a whisker of the PL. We need a win though to consolidate top half and then hopefully capitalize on our other games in hand.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Monty on January 21, 2021, 02:35:59 PM
Let's take that rage energy from last night and absolutely funeral these.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2021, 02:41:09 PM
He should have left after the play off final, and then I think he'd be remembered a bit more fondly than he is. That defence or to be more precise, lack of one, he left us with was a disgrace, and was so bad it almost looked like sabotage.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: fredm on January 21, 2021, 02:53:43 PM
We need to start this game on the front foot, take the game to them and pin them back.  Hopefully then to score and make them come out of their shell.  If we do our usual, start knocking it around between the back four and the midfield, taking 5 passes when 1 would do, we will find the game gradually drifting away from us and being unable to rouse ourselves from our slumber to impose ourselves on the game.  This particularly applies to Mings who has a habit of falling into the "that's a nice 15 yard square/backward pass I have just played, I will do it again next time I get the ball" mode instead of feeding it forwards to the midfield.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2021, 03:07:35 PM
As happened with us a Bruce team can pull a performance out of the bag occaisionally so I would not write them off or be over confident. That is before taking into account the treatment we are likely to get from the referees club.
We need to get back to winning again, it feels like such a long time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on January 21, 2021, 03:10:58 PM
Newcastle nil please Villa...

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Allan C on January 21, 2021, 03:34:52 PM
I was never a Bruce fan, knew exactly what we would get when he was manager and I donít buy all the ďsteadying the shipĒ stuff. Iím going for 3-0 but hope for more. Ollie to score 2 donít care who scores the subsequent goals
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 21, 2021, 03:37:19 PM
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Something about Scotland?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on January 21, 2021, 03:42:16 PM
I like Steve Bruce. I mean, I'm very very very very glad he is no longer our manager, but he's a decent chap. I also have nothing whatsoever against Newcastle and find their bizzare hatred of us quite endearing.

Anyway, win this and we go 8th with games in hand and some reasonable fixtures coming up. Europe won't seem like such a ridiculous notion. I'd bring El Ghazi back in if he's fit. Probably at the expense of Barkley. We'll miss McGinn, but Ramsey looks up to it. 3-0.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2021, 03:42:32 PM
I was never a Bruce fan, knew exactly what we would get when he was manager and I donít buy all the ďsteadying the shipĒ stuff. Iím going for 3-0 but hope for more. Ollie to score 2 donít care who scores the subsequent goals

Managerial ballast.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
I like Steve Bruce. I mean, I'm very very very very glad he is no longer our manager, but he's a decent chap. I also have nothing whatsoever against Newcastle and find their bizzare hatred of us quite endearing.

Anyway, win this and we go 8th with games in hand and some reasonable fixtures coming up. Europe won't seem like such a ridiculous notion. I'd bring El Ghazi back in if he's fit. Probably at the expense of Barkley. We'll miss McGinn, but Ramsey looks up to it. 3-0.

I'd bring El Ghazi back in for Traore. Traore does absolutely no work whatsoever without the ball, and I don't think one or two moments of skill is enough to make up for that at the moment.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 21, 2021, 04:26:58 PM
I like Steve Bruce. I mean, I'm very very very very glad he is no longer our manager, but he's a decent chap. I also have nothing whatsoever against Newcastle and find their bizzare hatred of us quite endearing.

Anyway, win this and we go 8th with games in hand and some reasonable fixtures coming up. Europe won't seem like such a ridiculous notion. I'd bring El Ghazi back in if he's fit. Probably at the expense of Barkley. We'll miss McGinn, but Ramsey looks up to it. 3-0.

I'd bring El Ghazi back in for Traore. Traore does absolutely no work whatsoever without the ball, and I don't think one or two moments of skill is enough to make up for that at the moment.

I wouldn't argue with this should this be the selection.  However I think this is a game that could be ideal for Traore. The last couple of games at Man City + Man Utd his disinclination to track back has made us more vulnerable than we needed to be.

Newcastle should be less of an attacking threat though so tracking back shouldn't be so key. He was outstanding against West Brom and could well be outstanding against Newcastle.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2021, 04:30:09 PM
I think we look more balanced with El Ghazi in the team, personally.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Legion on January 21, 2021, 04:31:49 PM
0-2
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 21, 2021, 04:34:23 PM
0-2

I think I'd stay in bed with the covers over my head for a month if Newcastle beat us 2-0....Last season's 2-0 home win against them was probably the most straightforward home win all season.

And we are much better now...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Monty on January 21, 2021, 04:38:43 PM
If either Traorť or El Ghazi play I won't quibble, good arguments for either in this fixture.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 21, 2021, 04:41:39 PM
We're going to win. It's a fairly kind kick off time, we'll have had a few days after last night. Suitably rested, suitably trained.

Suitably positive against Mr Negative.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 21, 2021, 04:55:42 PM
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Something about Scotland?

I've worked out 3 letters so far. The first and last F obviously, and the D for Dec.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 21, 2021, 04:58:39 PM
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Have you been reading those Roddy Doyle books again?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 21, 2021, 04:59:32 PM
I have a bad feeling about this game. I donít know why, but I do. Hope for the best, expect the worst!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: john e on January 21, 2021, 05:41:50 PM
I have a bad feeling about this game. I donít know why, but I do. Hope for the best, expect the worst!


on the contrary I have never been so confident of winning a game for a long long time

If Dean Smith canít outwit Steve Bruce if our players canít run all over their dreadful excuse for a football team, If our vibrant attacking play canít overcome their Bruce ball negativity Iíll eat my souwester
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 21, 2021, 05:53:53 PM
Let's hope it's a case of
"Wor VAR did us no favours out there"
3-0 please Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2021, 06:02:32 PM
I have a bad feeling about this game. I donít know why, but I do. Hope for the best, expect the worst!


on the contrary I have never been so confident of winning a game for a long long time

If Dean Smith canít outwit Steve Bruce if our players canít run all over their dreadful excuse for a football team, If our vibrant attacking play canít overcome their Bruce ball negativity Iíll eat my souwester


Blimey thatís quite the jinx. Obviously I hope youíre right!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 21, 2021, 06:14:57 PM
4 -0


Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 21, 2021, 06:59:31 PM
If ever we needed a  Newcastle United its now.  2-0 and the veg stall will be empty before it opens on Monday Morning. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 21, 2021, 07:08:15 PM
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Something about Scotland?

I've worked out 3 letters so far. The first and last F obviously, and the D for Dec.

Horse Punching, No Jumper Wearing, Blaydon Racing, No Longer Everybody's Second Favourite Team, Topless Fat Bloking, Sports Direct Financed, Toon Crier.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 21, 2021, 07:34:13 PM
We've got to batter these, absolutely no excuses whatsoever. They are dreadful, we are good, but if we don't start winning some of our games in hand, we're going to end up in a disappointing lower mid table position.

I think it's going to be a tricky game to be honest. They are in dreadful form alright but our lads will have had a very hard game in their legs after a lay off. McGinn is a big loss too. Wouldn't be surprised to see a somewhat flat start from us as a result.

I'd be swapping Jack back into 10 with AEG replacing Barkley. Kind of game AEG could have a field day in. Ramsey for McGinn is the obvious change in the middle.

Might be better to have Barkley coming on for last 20-30 mins until his fitness improves.

Get the first goal and these lads will fall apart like they did v Arsenal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 21, 2021, 08:28:56 PM
I think we will win comfortably. An early goal and it could well be by 3 or 4.

Ordinarily I might be worried that this poor Noocassel side occasionally manages a dead cat bounce, but not with how we are playing and the intelligent approach of DS and his coaching staff.

As for Bruce. I didn't want him as our manager, never liked him but don't hate him (life's too short). Though I do get slightly irked from time to time that he continues to be very well paid, then very well paid off, from bringing next to fuck all to every club he manages - other than his tried and tested chat in press conferences. It seems enough for many in the media to give him an easy ride.

And I don't get the line that 'he steadied the ship'.

Certainly he didn't rock the boat or make huge demands but I don't give him credit for that. It is his standard operating practice - i.e. stand on the training ground watching others keep them fit, do the media stuff and chat to the lads before the game and at half-time - try to gee them up a bit.

Then off to do the post-match interviews with a favourite few lines about him being hard done by.

He's an amiable chancer getting very good money and doing the bare minimum.

UTV.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Nastylee on January 21, 2021, 08:53:02 PM
They'll come to frustrate and shithouse a result. So long as we don't do anything stupid like give them the first goal then it should be regulation.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on January 21, 2021, 11:11:30 PM
Home win, Shelvey and Wilson sent off and a new world record for a cabbage being lobbed, landing nicely next to the dugout.

In short, Ďone of them nightsí
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 21, 2021, 11:15:29 PM
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Something about Scotland?

I've worked out 3 letters so far. The first and last F obviously, and the D for Dec.

Horse Punching, No Jumper Wearing, Blaydon Racing, No Longer Everybody's Second Favourite Team, Topless Fat Bloking, Sports Direct Financed, Toon Crier.

Newcastle are just us now from 2011-12 and 13-15. Incredibly boring team to watch for a neutral who's sole ambition is to just stay up under manager not one of their fanbase actually want so considering all the hype they had in the 90s (when they were a very exciting team) that must be more soul destroying than never winning anything.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on January 21, 2021, 11:19:46 PM
3-1 Win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 22, 2021, 12:14:27 AM
We are much better than them, but thereís always a but. Could be like the Burnley game, so an early goal for us would be nice. s has been said McGunn will be a loss. Think smith will just straight swap Ramsey, although heís tended to play Ramsey further forward so not necessarily a straight swap. Donít get the drip Barcklay talk, heís quality and need to get him match fit. We should win and hopefully itís straight forwards, 3-0 (Watkins, Greakish, El Ghazi)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Skerra on January 22, 2021, 12:32:29 AM
As witnessed tonight, no match is a foregone conclusion. So, Iím not going to say 3-0, 4-0 etc.
A 1 goal win will do for me, just to get us back into winning ways. Having said that, as long as no other dodgy VAR decisions go against us, player for player, we are much better than the Brown Ales. If we up the tempo on these, we should win. UTV
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: sid1964 on January 22, 2021, 06:57:03 AM
We just need to win, get an early goal against them and it will be a comfortable victory - hopefully Watkins will score a goal 2-0
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: andyh on January 22, 2021, 07:36:39 AM
8pm kick off against Newcastle?
8 pm ? On a Saturday night ?
Fucking hell, donít think think people have got better things to do, places to go?

Oh, wait........
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on January 22, 2021, 07:39:18 AM
FTFSCENBASF!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: alanclare on January 22, 2021, 07:39:31 AM
8pm kick off against Newcastle?
8 pm ? On a Saturday night ?
Fucking hell, donít think think people have got better things to do, places to go?

Oh, wait........

You ever been to Newcastle?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: algy on January 22, 2021, 07:53:48 AM
8pm kick off against Newcastle?
8 pm ? On a Saturday night ?
Fucking hell, donít think think people have got better things to do, places to go?

Oh, wait........
The slightly concerning thing is that Pandora's box has now been opened.  When we eventually get to a post-lockdown world where people can go and watch football again, the TV companies in particular will have got used to showing the majority of matches on TV.  Think there'll be some resistance on their part against getting rid of all of the wild-and-wonderful kickoff slots.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on January 22, 2021, 07:57:12 AM
Gotta disagree there Allan. Of course Bruce steadied the Villa ship. He, like it or not, was just what we needed at the time he took over. I think he did a good job, but we were on different trajectories. Heís a decent man, prone to making excuses like the best of us at times will. We out grew him ( I know- difficult!). Heís a top half championship/ bottom half Premiership manager and our ambitions are now, or should be, back in the top 6. I bear no malice to the bloke- tried to get us up, narrowly failed and the rest is history. Donít forget the personal struggles he had, losing both his parents whilst managing Villa.

The late 60ís / early 70ís were before my time, but I see him as a Vic Crowe coming in and turning the ship around after the craziness of the Doc, before handing over to the more competent Saunders equivalent of Smith. Those older than me may well disagree, but there are similarities with how things seem to be playing out. Hopefully history repeats.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 22, 2021, 08:12:36 AM
Gotta disagree there Allan. Of course Bruce steadied the Villa ship. He, like it or not, was just what we needed at the time he took over. I think he did a good job, but we were on different trajectories. Heís a decent man, prone to making excuses like the best of us at times will. We out grew him ( I know- difficult!). Heís a top half championship/ bottom half Premiership manager and our ambitions are now, or should be, back in the top 6. I bear no malice to the bloke- tried to get us up, narrowly failed and the rest is history. Donít forget the personal struggles he had, losing both his parents whilst managing Villa.

The late 60ís / early 70ís were before my time, but I see him as a Vic Crowe coming in and turning the ship around after the craziness of the Doc, before handing over to the more competent Saunders equivalent of Smith. Those older than me may well disagree, but there are similarities with how things seem to be playing out. Hopefully history repeats.
  this is absolutely spot on in every detail
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Allan C on January 22, 2021, 09:01:34 AM
Gotta disagree there Allan. Of course Bruce steadied the Villa ship. He, like it or not, was just what we needed at the time he took over. I think he did a good job, but we were on different trajectories. Heís a decent man, prone to making excuses like the best of us at times will. We out grew him ( I know- difficult!). Heís a top half championship/ bottom half Premiership manager and our ambitions are now, or should be, back in the top 6. I bear no malice to the bloke- tried to get us up, narrowly failed and the rest is history. Donít forget the personal struggles he had, losing both his parents whilst managing Villa.

The late 60ís / early 70ís were before my time, but I see him as a Vic Crowe coming in and turning the ship around after the craziness of the Doc, before handing over to the more competent Saunders equivalent of Smith. Those older than me may well disagree, but there are similarities with how things seem to be playing out. Hopefully history repeats.
Obviously I would have to disagree with a lot of that Robbo. Iíve always thought that we wasted two years under Bruce and I think the ship had already settled when he took over. I didnít see us dropping another division at the time. Iím not sure about him being a decent bloke because I donít know him. To me he was our manager with outdated methods. His private life should be that, private. For instance, I loved Ron Saunders a brilliant manager but didnít know he was married or had children until recently. Thatís the way it should be
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 22, 2021, 09:17:36 AM
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Something about Scotland?

I've worked out 3 letters so far. The first and last F obviously, and the D for Dec.

Horse Punching, No Jumper Wearing, Blaydon Racing, No Longer Everybody's Second Favourite Team, Topless Fat Bloking, Sports Direct Financed, Toon Crier.

Newcastle are just us now from 2011-12 and 13-15. Incredibly boring team to watch for a neutral who's sole ambition is to just stay up under manager not one of their fanbase actually want so considering all the hype they had in the 90s (when they were a very exciting team) that must be more soul destroying than never winning anything.

The hope has gone!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2021, 09:44:08 AM
8pm kick off against Newcastle?
8 pm ? On a Saturday night ?
Fucking hell, donít think think people have got better things to do, places to go?

Oh, wait........

You ever been to Newcastle?

Feel duty bound to say that Newcastle, as well as being a great city in general, is a really good night out as well!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 22, 2021, 09:56:27 AM
Yeah but it's the coldest place on earth.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 22, 2021, 10:03:14 AM
Newcastle is a great place for a night out. It is a long way to go though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: FatSam on January 22, 2021, 10:23:05 AM
Gotta disagree there Allan. Of course Bruce steadied the Villa ship. He, like it or not, was just what we needed at the time he took over. I think he did a good job, but we were on different trajectories. He’s a decent man, prone to making excuses like the best of us at times will. We out grew him ( I know- difficult!). He’s a top half championship/ bottom half Premiership manager and our ambitions are now, or should be, back in the top 6. I bear no malice to the bloke- tried to get us up, narrowly failed and the rest is history. Don’t forget the personal struggles he had, losing both his parents whilst managing Villa.

The late 60’s / early 70’s were before my time, but I see him as a Vic Crowe coming in and turning the ship around after the craziness of the Doc, before handing over to the more competent Saunders equivalent of Smith. Those older than me may well disagree, but there are similarities with how things seem to be playing out. Hopefully history repeats.
I agree entirely.

I don't know whether we were heading for successive relegations, but I was at Reading when we won our first away game for more than a year, and the relief was palpable. I can't deny him at least some credit for changing the culture and turning the ship around. We started to regularly win games for the first time in ages - we might have been winning ugly, but it was a needs must situation.

That said, I appreciated at the time that he wasn't a sustainable long-term solution for the club, but the fact is that he was operating in a leadership vacuum. We now have a very different structure around the manager, and a manager who is much better equipped to nurture and improve the team over time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on January 22, 2021, 10:33:51 AM
I expect Newcastle will spend most of the game camped in their own half hoping for a 0-0 or to nick a goal from a set piece. Anyway 3-0 home win and a further sob on the Tyne.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2021, 11:01:21 AM
Gotta disagree there Allan. Of course Bruce steadied the Villa ship. He, like it or not, was just what we needed at the time he took over. I think he did a good job, but we were on different trajectories. Heís a decent man, prone to making excuses like the best of us at times will. We out grew him ( I know- difficult!). Heís a top half championship/ bottom half Premiership manager and our ambitions are now, or should be, back in the top 6. I bear no malice to the bloke- tried to get us up, narrowly failed and the rest is history. Donít forget the personal struggles he had, losing both his parents whilst managing Villa.

The late 60ís / early 70ís were before my time, but I see him as a Vic Crowe coming in and turning the ship around after the craziness of the Doc, before handing over to the more competent Saunders equivalent of Smith. Those older than me may well disagree, but there are similarities with how things seem to be playing out. Hopefully history repeats.
  this is absolutely spot on in every detail
Except  is that it isnt.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2021, 11:05:58 AM
He came in, spent a shit load of money that we didnt have on players that were not good enough. He had and has no idea of tactics which limited any chance of promotion. He failed miserably blamed everybody else until someone chucked a cabbage at him and then he fucked off. Good riddance.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2021, 11:11:42 AM
Yeah but it's the coldest place on earth.

Only if you're a great big shandy-drinking jessie!

(coldest place I've ever been, I don't think that Coats R Us does a roaring trade up there though.)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: nick harper on January 22, 2021, 12:40:40 PM
He came in, spent a shit load of money that we didnt have on players that were not good enough. He had and has no idea of tactics which limited any chance of promotion. He failed miserably blamed everybody else until someone chucked a cabbage at him and then he fucked off. Good riddance.

He made some good signings amongst the poor ones as all managers do, albeit some on loan - Snodgrass, Abraham, El Ghazi, Hourihane, Elmohamady all helped to turn the club around - and probably the best player weíve got from Scotland since Des Bremner.

Bruce had his time and came up short but it wasnít all doom and gloom in that period given the previous 6 or 7 years weíd endured.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: tony scott on January 22, 2021, 12:43:18 PM
They are in poor form ,the fans and manager will expect improvement, and the Burnley result will encourage this, I think they will stifle our midfield Iím hoping 1.0 will enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2021, 12:48:50 PM
The away end at Sunderland is the coldest place on earth. They took the breeze from Roker Park and brought it with them to the Stadium of Light.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2021, 01:07:37 PM
Stoke is always cold whenever I've been there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 22, 2021, 01:16:59 PM
He came in, spent a shit load of money that we didnt have on players that were not good enough. He had and has no idea of tactics which limited any chance of promotion. He failed miserably blamed everybody else until someone chucked a cabbage at him and then he fucked off. Good riddance.

He made some good signings amongst the poor ones as all managers do, albeit some on loan - Snodgrass, Abraham, El Ghazi, Hourihane, Elmohamady all helped to turn the club around - and probably the best player weíve got from Scotland since Des Bremner.

Bruce had his time and came up short but it wasnít all doom and gloom in that period given the previous 6 or 7 years weíd endured.

What tickles me about those players is he was making out they were all bargain basement loan signings rather than some of the top ones in their positions in the championship which likes of Snodgrass and Tammy obviously were.

Looks like they're going to gamble on Saint Maximn for this one although he hasn't played since November 21st.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2021, 01:27:00 PM
He came in, spent a shit load of money that we didnt have on players that were not good enough. He had and has no idea of tactics which limited any chance of promotion. He failed miserably blamed everybody else until someone chucked a cabbage at him and then he fucked off. Good riddance.

He made some good signings amongst the poor ones as all managers do, albeit some on loan - Snodgrass, Abraham, El Ghazi, Hourihane, Elmohamady all helped to turn the club around - and probably the best player weíve got from Scotland since Des Bremner.

Bruce had his time and came up short but it wasnít all doom and gloom in that period given the previous 6 or 7 years weíd endured.

That's 6 players out of 20, I'll add Terry as well but that's about the lot and 3 of them were very much much short term solutions. a record of getting it right 1 time in 3 doesn't look good.

More important is the idea that he was 'exactly' what we needed when he came in, that's just nonsense. The absolute minimum requirement was someone who could organise a defence better than RDM but there are hundreds of managers who fit that requirement and most of them would also have also been able to setup the squad in a way that we didn't end up promoted with 12 senior players to pick from.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: FatSam on January 22, 2021, 01:37:13 PM
He came in, spent a shit load of money that we didnt have on players that were not good enough. He had and has no idea of tactics which limited any chance of promotion. He failed miserably blamed everybody else until someone chucked a cabbage at him and then he fucked off. Good riddance.

Di Matteo spent £54m (net £30m) summer 2016.

Bruce spent £21m (net £5m) January 2017, £2m (net £-13m) summer 2017, £0m January 2018 (net £0m), £7m (net -£7m) summer 2018. A total of £30m (-£15m)

Hogan was obviously a waste of money in terms of fee and wages, but all of the others were relatively low fees. Lansbury has obviously been a waste of wages, but most of the others have served a purpose, or been off-loaded. He generally played the loan market well.

I agree that this wasn't sustainable long term, because by the time he left we had a relatively old squad apart from the loanees, had to go out and buy a whole new squad in summer 2019, and if we hadn't been promoted would have been royally fucked. However, someone (Xia?) was sanctioning these transfers, and you'd struggle argue that Hourihane, McGinn, El Ghazi, Taylor, Elmohamady and Whelan (ultimately) weren't good value.

I agree that he didn't have a clue about tactics, and that he ultimately failed. However, he was starting from such a low base, with a squad that had been conditioned to lose football matches, and he did start to change this.

I am pleased that he is no longer our manager, but I don't understand the animosity towards him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: CT on January 22, 2021, 01:50:53 PM
The away end at Sunderland is the coldest place on earth. They took the breeze from Roker Park and brought it with them to the Stadium of Light.

I would say the old away end at Oldham would just shade victory in that one. (FA Cup 1990)

Iím sure Boundary Park was in Ice Road Truckers once.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 22, 2021, 02:05:21 PM
Stoke is always cold whenever I've been there.

coldest away match Ive been was Oldham  think we lost 3 0 too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on January 22, 2021, 02:08:03 PM
The away end at Sunderland is the coldest place on earth. They took the breeze from Roker Park and brought it with them to the Stadium of Light.

I would say the old away end at Oldham would just shade victory in that one. (FA Cup 1990)

Iím sure Boundary Park was in Ice Road Truckers once.


I always found Boundary Park cold but the coldest I have ever been at an away game was the goalless draw at Notts County one midweek under BFR. The wettest I have ever been was Huddersfield away in 1987 in the early SGT days. My matchday programme turned into a ball of paper mache  in my coat pocket. The coldest I have been at Villa Park was in the Trinity Road stand for a midweek ZDS cup game against Forest.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on January 22, 2021, 02:31:01 PM
Stoke is always cold whenever I've been there.

Stoke away in '87/'88 was the worst view (or more accurately lack of view) I have ever had at a game. We were alongside the pitch and right down the bottom with our eye level view in line with the players legs. Although to be fair I wasn't cold.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on January 22, 2021, 02:48:19 PM
Stoke is always cold whenever I've been there.

Yeah I was thinking Stoke. I had a lovely day there. 0-0 draw, bloody freezing, no beer at half time, staff ignored me when I queued up to get a pie.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: trinityoap on January 22, 2021, 02:48:54 PM
Another vote for Oldham.Frozen Bovril anyone?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 22, 2021, 03:15:37 PM
Yeah but it's the coldest place on earth.

Only if you're a great big shandy-drinking jessie!

(coldest place I've ever been, I don't think that Coats R Us does a roaring trade up there though.)

A mate as at Uni there. We went and had a night out. I slept fully clothed with 2 duvets on.

The kitchen had ice inside the windows and the washing up sponge was a brick of ice too.

It's just cold. And yes, if there was a bravery award it would go to the women of the city; the amount of clothes they wear appears to be inversely proportionate to the temperature.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on January 22, 2021, 03:20:07 PM
No away end could possibly be as cold as Meadow Lane in 1992. And it was a terrible game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on January 22, 2021, 03:20:48 PM
Gotta disagree there Allan. Of course Bruce steadied the Villa ship. He, like it or not, was just what we needed at the time he took over. I think he did a good job, but we were on different trajectories. Heís a decent man, prone to making excuses like the best of us at times will. We out grew him ( I know- difficult!). Heís a top half championship/ bottom half Premiership manager and our ambitions are now, or should be, back in the top 6. I bear no malice to the bloke- tried to get us up, narrowly failed and the rest is history. Donít forget the personal struggles he had, losing both his parents whilst managing Villa.

The late 60ís / early 70ís were before my time, but I see him as a Vic Crowe coming in and turning the ship around after the craziness of the Doc, before handing over to the more competent Saunders equivalent of Smith. Those older than me may well disagree, but there are similarities with how things seem to be playing out. Hopefully history repeats.
  this is absolutely spot on in every detail


I agree with this. The club had been struggling since the MON walkout and we had in the main stunk out the Premier League for half a decade finishing 16th, 15th, 15th, 17th and 20th. I think he did steady the ship and he turned it around enough to get to a play off final we were unlucky to lose. I also think the new owners did the right thing by giving him a chance given that the new season was upon us. I backed him longer than most but in the latter weeks of his reign he went into the under pressure manager default mode of making excuses and blaming everyone and everything apart from himself. I think we were right to appoint him, right to stick with him and give him a shot after the takeover and ultimately right to sack him. We probably could and should have have sacked him a little bit earlier but apart from that little quibble generally speaking I think the owners
did exactly the right things at the right time. Bruce spent a fair few quid, had a decent amount of time and ultimately just fell short. I agree with the poster who described him as a bottom half Premier League manager, top half Championship manager.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on January 22, 2021, 03:24:18 PM
No away end could possibly be as cold as Meadow Lane in 1992. And it was a terrible game.

I seem to recall Staunton missed a penalty.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on January 22, 2021, 03:28:29 PM
No away end could possibly be as cold as Meadow Lane in 1992. And it was a terrible game.

I seem to recall Staunton missed a penalty.

And nobody could fathom what it had been given for in the first place.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2021, 03:42:31 PM
No away end could possibly be as cold as Meadow Lane in 1992. And it was a terrible game.
No. I am going to have to trump that with the  Luzhniki Stadium in Moscow in 2009. -12 degrees, about a foot of snow everywhere, chilly winds and Moscow's finest with their batons drawn holding us back in our pen. That's cold.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2021, 03:47:53 PM
Stoke is always cold whenever I've been there.

Stoke away in '87/'88 was the worst view (or more accurately lack of view) I have ever had at a game. We were alongside the pitch and right down the bottom with our eye level view in line with the players legs. Although to be fair I wasn't cold.

The coldest I remember being was at Shitefield Rd in the seats on that horrific Boxing Day 3-0 when Mick Quinn got a hat trick, funny how the two worst performances I've seen there were in the two seasons we finished runners up.

The coldest I've been at though must be Hamburg a few years ago, it was showing -6 on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2021, 04:14:08 PM
Stoke is always cold whenever I've been there.

Stoke away in '87/'88 was the worst view (or more accurately lack of view) I have ever had at a game. We were alongside the pitch and right down the bottom with our eye level view in line with the players legs. Although to be fair I wasn't cold.

The coldest I remember being was at Shitefield Rd in the seats on that horrific Boxing Day 3-0 when Mick Quinn got a hat trick, funny how the two worst performances I've seen there were in the two seasons we finished runners up.

The coldest I've been at though must be Hamburg a few years ago, it was showing -6 on the scoreboard.

Hamburg. The only time I've fallen asleep stood up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2021, 05:27:43 PM
He came in, spent a shit load of money that we didnt have on players that were not good enough. He had and has no idea of tactics which limited any chance of promotion. He failed miserably blamed everybody else until someone chucked a cabbage at him and then he fucked off. Good riddance.

Di Matteo spent £54m (net £30m) summer 2016.

Bruce spent £21m (net £5m) January 2017, £2m (net £-13m) summer 2017, £0m January 2018 (net £0m), £7m (net -£7m) summer 2018. A total of £30m (-£15m)

Hogan was obviously a waste of money in terms of fee and wages, but all of the others were relatively low fees. Lansbury has obviously been a waste of wages, but most of the others have served a purpose, or been off-loaded. He generally played the loan market well.

I agree that this wasn't sustainable long term, because by the time he left we had a relatively old squad apart from the loanees, had to go out and buy a whole new squad in summer 2019, and if we hadn't been promoted would have been royally fucked. However, someone (Xia?) was sanctioning these transfers, and you'd struggle argue that Hourihane, McGinn, El Ghazi, Taylor, Elmohamady and Whelan (ultimately) weren't good value.

I agree that he didn't have a clue about tactics, and that he ultimately failed. However, he was starting from such a low base, with a squad that had been conditioned to lose football matches, and he did start to change this.

I am pleased that he is no longer our manager, but I don't understand the animosity towards him.

That all ignores signing fees and loan fees which was where he was literally giving money away to gamble on short term 'success'. If he'd won the play offs and then kept us up (both things Smith managed) I'd have held my hand up and admitted he's a better manager than I thought but the facts are he failed at the first part and left himself with a near impossible task to try again because the squad he'd assembled was a fucking mess and our problems and takeover meant he couldn't throw another 7-8 players at it and see what happened.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on January 22, 2021, 06:15:25 PM
Let's mash Mr Potato Head.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 22, 2021, 06:46:01 PM
Bruce was thoroughly shit. He wasn't recruited to 'steady the ship'. His remit was promotion, and he failed in quite the most craven way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2021, 06:57:48 PM
Bruce was thoroughly shit. He wasn't recruited to 'steady the ship'. His remit was promotion, and he failed in quite the most craven way.

We'd just been relegated on 17 points, losing 27 games and gone through two managers and a caretaker who no-one liked. Of course we needed some kind of stability.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 22, 2021, 07:01:08 PM
We needed much, much more than that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2021, 07:02:32 PM
The rot needed to stop first and foremost regardless of who came in.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 22, 2021, 07:03:26 PM
The rot needed to stop first and foremost regardless of who came in.

Which a good manager would have done whilst being, well, good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2021, 07:05:48 PM
Well, we stopped losing which was the main thing really. Sunderland will tell you that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 22, 2021, 07:07:19 PM
Well, we stopped losing which was the main thing really. Sunderland will tell you that.

If our current set up were happy with being better than Sunderland we'd still be in the Championship.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2021, 07:10:39 PM
Well, we stopped losing which was the main thing really. Sunderland will tell you that.

If our current set up were happy with being better than Sunderland we'd still be in the Championship.

Which is not the point I was making. I think I'll leave it there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 22, 2021, 07:35:26 PM
He left us better than he found us, which was an improvement on his five immediate predecessors.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2021, 07:46:37 PM
He left us better than he found us, which was an improvement on his five immediate predecessors.

Yes very true.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: garyellis on January 22, 2021, 07:50:06 PM
I did not want Steve Bruce and when we sacked him I thought it was the right thing to do.
However, if I had chance I would buy him a pint and thank him for his part in where we are now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 22, 2021, 08:16:46 PM
I did not want Steve Bruce and when we sacked him I thought it was the right thing to do.
However, if I had chance I would buy him a pint and thank him for his part in where we are now.

Agreed. Without the buying bit, obvs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: FatSam on January 22, 2021, 08:43:22 PM
I did not want Steve Bruce and when we sacked him I thought it was the right thing to do.
However, if I had chance I would buy him a pint and thank him for his part in where we are now.

Agreed. Without the buying bit, obvs.

Yes, he is a multi-millionaire after all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on January 22, 2021, 08:46:38 PM
No away end could possibly be as cold as Meadow Lane in 1992. And it was a terrible game.

I seem to recall Staunton missed a penalty.

And nobody could fathom what it had been given for in the first place.

I was probably too cold to care.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 22, 2021, 08:52:18 PM
No away end could possibly be as cold as Meadow Lane in 1992. And it was a terrible game.

I seem to recall Staunton missed a penalty.

And nobody could fathom what it had been given for in the first place.

I was probably too cold to care.
Was that game when we had three players standing over a free kick and they all ran over the ball?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 22, 2021, 08:57:25 PM
No away end could possibly be as cold as Meadow Lane in 1992. And it was a terrible game.

I seem to recall Staunton missed a penalty.

And nobody could fathom what it had been given for in the first place.

I was probably too cold to care.
Was that game when we had three players standing over a free kick and they all ran over the ball?

We did. It was wet rather than cold and I don't think we missed a penalty.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2021, 09:11:25 PM
Well, we stopped losing which was the main thing really. Sunderland will tell you that.

If our current set up were happy with being better than Sunderland we'd still be in the Championship.
Indeed. There is some revisionism going on here. There is no evidence now to say Bruce did better than DiMatteo would have done but I do not think we were heading for the third division under him and somehow Bruce delivered a miracle to take us to play-offs. .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on January 22, 2021, 09:16:21 PM
He left us better than he found us, which was an improvement on his five immediate predecessors.

I think MON left us with a better squad than he inherited. He took over a side that had finished 16th and took us to three top six finishes, a league cup final and a FA cup semi final.

My mistake, off the top of my head I miscounted how many predecessors we were counting despite Dave clearly
stating five.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on January 22, 2021, 09:16:35 PM
He turned us into a competent football team again. Something we hadn't been for the previous 5 years... That said, having the most expensively assembled squad ever to have graced the Championship then any competent manager could have probably done the same and delivered what Bruce did, a mid-table finish and losing play-off finalists.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2021, 09:28:24 PM
No away end could possibly be as cold as Meadow Lane in 1992. And it was a terrible game.

I seem to recall Staunton missed a penalty.

And nobody could fathom what it had been given for in the first place.

The ref felt sorry for us that we hadn't scored a goal in years ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2021, 09:39:47 PM
This thread has gone off piste. Can we get back to discussing tactics Bruce is going to deploy tomorrow and do we have any chance of countering  his strategy?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: FatSam on January 22, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
There is no evidence now to say Bruce did better than DiMatteo would have done but I do not think we were heading for the third division under him and somehow Bruce delivered a miracle to take us to play-offs.
Of course there is no evidence, it is completely hypothetical. I donít understand why you would be willing to give Di Matteo the benefit of the doubt, but not Bruce. We won 1 of our 11 league games under Di Matteo, and went out of the League Cup to Luton. Bruce at least turned that form around, and got us competing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 22, 2021, 09:49:04 PM
No away end could possibly be as cold as Meadow Lane in 1992. And it was a terrible game.

I seem to recall Staunton missed a penalty.

And nobody could fathom what it had been given for in the first place.

The ref felt sorry for us that we hadn't scored a goal in years ?

Jesus I remember that game!
Certainly one of the coldest games I ever attended.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: FatSam on January 22, 2021, 09:55:03 PM
The rot needed to stop first and foremost regardless of who came in.

Which a good manager would have done whilst being, well, good.
The other names in the running at the time were Pearson, McLaren, Allardyce, Wagner and Smith. With the benefit of hindsight we can say that Smith would have been the best choice, but he was a couple of years less experienced and would have been arriving into a complete shit show. I donít know who from the rest of the list would have taken the job, but which of them do you think would have been a better appointment, or would have performed better than Bruce?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: FatSam on January 22, 2021, 10:13:54 PM
He came in, spent a shit load of money that we didnt have on players that were not good enough. He had and has no idea of tactics which limited any chance of promotion. He failed miserably blamed everybody else until someone chucked a cabbage at him and then he fucked off. Good riddance.

Di Matteo spent £54m (net £30m) summer 2016.

Bruce spent £21m (net £5m) January 2017, £2m (net £-13m) summer 2017, £0m January 2018 (net £0m), £7m (net -£7m) summer 2018. A total of £30m (-£15m)

Hogan was obviously a waste of money in terms of fee and wages, but all of the others were relatively low fees. Lansbury has obviously been a waste of wages, but most of the others have served a purpose, or been off-loaded. He generally played the loan market well.

I agree that this wasn't sustainable long term, because by the time he left we had a relatively old squad apart from the loanees, had to go out and buy a whole new squad in summer 2019, and if we hadn't been promoted would have been royally fucked. However, someone (Xia?) was sanctioning these transfers, and you'd struggle argue that Hourihane, McGinn, El Ghazi, Taylor, Elmohamady and Whelan (ultimately) weren't good value.

I agree that he didn't have a clue about tactics, and that he ultimately failed. However, he was starting from such a low base, with a squad that had been conditioned to lose football matches, and he did start to change this.

I am pleased that he is no longer our manager, but I don't understand the animosity towards him.

That all ignores signing fees and loan fees which was where he was literally giving money away to gamble on short term 'success'. If he'd won the play offs and then kept us up (both things Smith managed) I'd have held my hand up and admitted he's a better manager than I thought but the facts are he failed at the first part and left himself with a near impossible task to try again because the squad he'd assembled was a fucking mess and our problems and takeover meant he couldn't throw another 7-8 players at it and see what happened.

I donít know the details of the signing on fees and loan fees, and donít dispute that they would have been significant - maybe they are available somewhere? I would argue though that this was the only realistic option in the circumstances. It would have been quite difficult to attract better players as permanent signings without transfer fees and wages that we couldnít afford. Why would EPL players sign permanently for us when our prospects were so uncertain. After all, if he had arrived summer 2016 instead of October, he would have been able to spend the £60m that Di Matteo did.

The fact that you are blaming Bruce for the recruitment strategy is an admission that this was his responsibility as we didnít have the kind of recruitment team that we do now. After all Pitarch carried the can for the summer 2019 signings (which have turned out all right anyway), not Smith.

Again, I agree that it was unsustainable, and Iím pleased he is no longer our manager. I just donít see why he is reviled for not being a hypothetical manager who would have been better, available and willing to take the job.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 22, 2021, 11:12:57 PM
I don't really have any animosity to Bruce. He said some daft things towards the end, boasting about how he had "shut some people up" when we managed a home win against mighty Rotherham, for instance. Still, in hindsight, it's pretty easy to get caught up in the moment and it would be harsh to give him too much stick for some ill-judged comments under pressure of the sack.

He helped reverse the culture of losing and, worse, losing with a shrug of the shoulders that had become the Villa Way. He stopped the club being a joke.

He ran out of ideas towards the end, but his departure suited both parties eventually. We are both in the Premier League.

I wouldn't want him back, as feel our ambitions should be far and away from what he'd be capable of achieving, but as the manager to turn around laughing stock Villa he did a decent job of setting us on our way.

Special thanks for John McGinn. Scott Hogan... not so much.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2021, 11:48:25 PM
I fear but hope not that he gets a chance post the game to repeat his "I hope it shuts a few up. But I doubt it." remarks after we beat the mighty Rotherham 2-0.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 23, 2021, 12:24:27 AM
In the long run him being with us as long as he was is probably a blessing in disguise because, by failing, he opened the door for NSWE to take over but I think he's a terrible manager, it's really that simple, I don't revile him, I just find it funny how familiar all his excuses in the last couple of months are.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Mellin on January 23, 2021, 01:47:30 AM
Reading the Newcastle forums, they really, really dislike him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 23, 2021, 06:16:29 AM
Seems like whilst their attack may be available (St Maximim), they're struggling at Centre Back with injuries.

Think Fernandez, Clark and Schar all up against it.

Fancy us to win big tbh.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 23, 2021, 07:32:29 AM
I donít dislike Bruce either, he came did his best, ultimately he couldnít get us up. Football at times was very bad, and some poor results. His loan signings were good, his buys not so, except Conor.

3-0 Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Scratchins on January 23, 2021, 07:45:14 AM
A friend of mine has seen the video of the cabbage incident. An old chap had done his shopping at Tesco and was let in with his carrier bag. He dropped the bag and the cabbage rolled out.  It was never thrown but because of who it was and the problems he had the club did not reveal the truth. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on January 23, 2021, 07:50:54 AM
Whoíd have thought bruce would shop at tescos...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 23, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
A friend of mine has seen the video of the cabbage incident. An old chap had done his shopping at Tesco and was let in with his carrier bag. He dropped the bag and the cabbage rolled out.  It was never thrown but because of who it was and the problems he had the club did not reveal the truth. 

Not sure how true this is however I always found it strange that their were no witnesses (or no footage, in this era where everything is filmed) and no culprit was ever identified for actually throwing a cabbage.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2021, 09:15:24 AM
Never particularly like him.
Irrationally - other than having scored during the original Fergie time, played most of his football for the Plastics and then went on to manage at the Sty.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 23, 2021, 09:29:45 AM
The rot needed to stop first and foremost regardless of who came in.

Which a good manager would have done whilst being, well, good.
The other names in the running at the time were Pearson, McLaren, Allardyce, Wagner and Smith. With the benefit of hindsight we can say that Smith would have been the best choice, but he was a couple of years less experienced and would have been arriving into a complete shit show. I donít know who from the rest of the list would have taken the job, but which of them do you think would have been a better appointment, or would have performed better than Bruce?

There was no compulsion to appoint one of the managers 'in the running', but any of the above would've 'steadied the ship', and some of them might have tried to win games. It's almost as though steadying the ship was the easiest goal our manager was tasked with.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 23, 2021, 09:45:41 AM
Bruce won loads of games when in charge of us, so not sure about that last comment. Saying that I couldnít give much of a monkeys about Bruce now and I donít mean that in a horrible way, there does seem to be a familiarity about his recent comments at struggling Newcastle as to when he was struggling at villa at various times.
He nearly got us up and got in some good players that season, Snoddy and Terry, but his tactics in the play off final were all wrong and ultimately reflected his conservative management style. I thought he should of gone after that. But maybe things happen for a reason, and if we had gone up the struggle would of been painful and we would never had the memories of that 10 game run or be building what we are now in the style weíre building it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Ads on January 23, 2021, 09:53:11 AM
Absolutely no complacency Villa. We need early pressure and to dominate territory, but no Brighton stupidity please.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2021, 10:13:11 AM
FTHPNJWBRNLESFTTFBSDFTCF

Something about Scotland?

I've worked out 3 letters so far. The first and last F obviously, and the D for Dec.

Horse Punching, No Jumper Wearing, Blaydon Racing, No Longer Everybody's Second Favourite Team, Topless Fat Bloking, Sports Direct Financed, Toon Crier.

Newcastle are just us now from 2011-12 and 13-15. Incredibly boring team to watch for a neutral who's sole ambition is to just stay up under manager not one of their fanbase actually want so considering all the hype they had in the 90s (when they were a very exciting team) that must be more soul destroying than never winning anything.

In Callum Wilson they've even got their own Darren Bent.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on January 23, 2021, 10:17:57 AM
Bruce won loads of games when in charge of us, so not sure about that last comment. Saying that I couldnít give much of a monkeys about Bruce now and I donít mean that in a horrible way, there does seem to be a familiarity about his recent comments at struggling Newcastle as to when he was struggling at villa at various times.
He nearly got us up and got in some good players that season, Snoddy and Terry, but his tactics in the play off final were all wrong and ultimately reflected his conservative management style. I thought he should of gone after that. But maybe things happen for a reason, and if we had gone up the struggle would of been painful and we would never had the memories of that 10 game run or be building what we are now in the style weíre building it.
Yes, I think some people forget that in 2017/18, we won lots of games and actually played really well on a number of occasions and the throwaway remarks about 'Bruceball' were not flying around at the time. Certainly he was nowhere near the worst managers we have had, but equally he probably wouldn't have been good enough to take us forward had we gone up.

I don't have any dislike Bruce but equally don't care about what he is doing or not doing since he left.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Rory on January 23, 2021, 10:25:59 AM
A difficult 2-1 win, maybe with the winner coming late.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: john e on January 23, 2021, 10:37:01 AM
Reading the Newcastle forums, they really, really dislike him.


I bet thereís still some on there saying heís steadying the ship though

Defending him with their lives like there was on here
Thatís why heíll never be out of a job thereís always people think heís better than he actually is

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2021, 10:47:27 AM
His comments about Bentitez are pretty disrespectful to be honest, it's not his fault he's held in high regard up there. I imagine this will be Bruce's last top flight job in all probability.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2021, 11:03:08 AM
His comments about Bentitez are pretty disrespectful to be honest, it's not his fault he's held in high regard up there. I imagine this will be Bruce's last top flight job in all probability.

Bruce seems to have lost his marbles the last few weeks. Tried to throw his players under a bus for the performance at Sheff Utd and how it would be his way going forward. His players promptly responded with a dreadful effort at Arsenal. For an experienced manager I'm surprised at him. He is under huge pressure now.

A little unfortunately perhaps, solid season last year when they were fancied to go down. Spent a good bit of money in the summer alright but any uplift in form and they should still stay up comfortably. Covid hit some of their players badly, arguably their best two players in particular. The football is awful though, his approach has always been to throw players together in a team. Never much cohesion between midfield and attack.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 23, 2021, 11:06:01 AM
What's the snow situation in Brum? Had a right dumpful in Stourbridge
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 23, 2021, 11:25:41 AM
What's the snow situation in Brum? Had a right dumpful in Stourbridge
I'm not far from Stourbridge - seems to be clearing up now - can't imagine there will be too many problems if it stays sunny.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: FatSam on January 23, 2021, 11:29:13 AM
There was no compulsion to appoint one of the managers 'in the running', but any of the above would've 'steadied the ship', and some of them might have tried to win games. It's almost as though steadying the ship was the easiest goal our manager was tasked with.

The ship was steadied and we did win games under Bruce, so I think youíre really saying that none of the others would have been any better. Being in the running is an indication of who was available and realistic at that point in time. My point is that, with the exception of Smith who was an unknown quantity, and inexperienced at arriving into a crisis club situation, none of the others were better suited or more sustainable long term. If you think that another manager was available, realistic, and a better suited, feel free to elaborate. Again, I donít know why you would blame Bruce for not being as good as some hypothetical manager who was apparently available, realistic, and just plain better.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: spk on January 23, 2021, 11:31:18 AM
 I feel a right beasting coming on tonight. I think Villa will be revved up to hell following Wednesday and Newcastle players will be trying to get Brucey sacked. Five - Nil the Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 23, 2021, 11:31:52 AM
The most important thing is trying to get three points, regardless of who the opposition manager is. Some people may want to carry on the obbssesion over Bruce, but that's up to them I suppose.

Get the first goal and their heads will hopefully drop and we can get a couple more. They'll make it tough for us though,. LIke I said the other day, a bit of patience might be needed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: john e on January 23, 2021, 11:35:06 AM
The most important thing is trying to get three points, regardless of who the opposition manager is. Some people may want to carry on the obbssesion over Bruce, but that's up to them I suppose.

Get the first goal and their heads will hopefully drop and we can get a couple more. They'll make it tough for us though,. LIke I said the other day, a bit of patience might be needed.


Ha ha thereís only one person on here who was obsessed with Bruce

And we all know who that is
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: FatSam on January 23, 2021, 11:45:57 AM
To be fair, I didnít start the discussion about Bruce, I just offered a different opinion to the one that prevailed in the thread. If that is obsession, so be it. Iíve consistently said Iím pleased he isnít our manager.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 23, 2021, 11:49:41 AM
The most important thing is trying to get three points, regardless of who the opposition manager is. Some people may want to carry on the obbssesion over Bruce, but that's up to them I suppose.

Get the first goal and their heads will hopefully drop and we can get a couple more. They'll make it tough for us though,. LIke I said the other day, a bit of patience might be needed.


Ha ha thereís only one person on here who was obsessed with Bruce

And we all know who that is

Yes, you.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: john e on January 23, 2021, 11:54:08 AM
To be fair, I didnít start the discussion about Bruce, I just offered a different opinion to the one that prevailed in the thread. If that is obsession, so be it. Iíve consistently said Iím pleased he isnít our manager.

Itís not you mate he knows who he is

He wonít be too long coming on replying
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: john e on January 23, 2021, 11:54:29 AM
Oh and there you go already has
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on January 23, 2021, 11:59:05 AM
Iíve got more of a problem with newcastle than bruce. You just know its going to be 0-0 or 0-1 now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 23, 2021, 12:00:42 PM
(Huge sigh) Anyway, down to more important things. I wonder if he'll put El Goalzi back in if Targett is out? One thing Targett does really well is overlap with Grealish and Taylor won't do that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2021, 12:15:01 PM
I hope Targett is ok heíd be a big loss.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 23, 2021, 12:17:15 PM
Under-18s called off, assume this will go ahead?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 23, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
Frozen pitch forcunder 18s
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2021, 12:22:54 PM
I hope Targett is ok heíd be a big loss.

I think he would against Maximus Dribblious but otherwise Taylor or Hause would be fine.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2021, 12:31:06 PM
What's the snow situation in Brum? Had a right dumpful in Stourbridge
Snowed for about 2 hours last night. Real fluffy stuff. This morning all the snow is solid ice in the garden. So if the match was played in my garden it would not go ahead but as Villa park has all the technology in the world deployed it should be not an issue.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2021, 12:33:09 PM
I hope Targett is ok heíd be a big loss.

I think he would against Maximus Dribblious but otherwise Taylor or Hause would be fine.
Could work to our advantage as Newcastle  will bombard our area whenever they can and Hause is the best header of the ball in our squad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2021, 12:34:13 PM
Hause has injured his foot and will be out for a while. Trez is back in the squad though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OCD on January 23, 2021, 12:35:09 PM
Hause wasn't in the squad against City so not sure if he's fit enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on January 23, 2021, 12:46:35 PM
What's the snow situation in Brum? Had a right dumpful in Stourbridge
Snowed for about 2 hours last night. Real fluffy stuff. This morning all the snow is solid ice in the garden. So if the match was played in my garden it would not go ahead but as Villa park has all the technology in the world deployed it should be not an issue.

My wife and youngest daughter had a snowball fight in the hall last night (we have Laminate flooring so no problem). My wife had a very strict upbringing by her father so I think she tries to relive her youth through our youngest.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dave P on January 23, 2021, 12:52:20 PM
Tbf the under soil heating will ensure the pitch is ok and games mainly get called off for safety of the fans. With no fans, it should be ok.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2021, 01:03:21 PM
Hause wasn't in the squad against City so not sure if he's fit enough.

Injured foot, as I said before.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 23, 2021, 02:04:08 PM
Targett is fit to play tonight. He was taken off on Wednesday due to post Covid fatigue. Heís fine now.

 Gregg Evans confirmed this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on January 23, 2021, 02:21:11 PM
Targett is fit to play tonight. He was taken off on Wednesday due to post Covid fatigue. Heís fine now.

 Gregg Evans confirmed this.

Great news
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 23, 2021, 02:39:19 PM
Snowing heavily in Yardley now. You could barely see the ball in the closing stages of the women's match at Walsall. Worried this game could be off or, worse, played in conditions similar to Bolton away. You don't want to play long ball dross like this in the snow, it's a leveller.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on January 23, 2021, 02:55:50 PM
Targett is fit to play tonight. He was taken off on Wednesday due to post Covid fatigue. Heís fine now.

 Gregg Evans confirmed this.

Great news

Yeah it is I was getting a bit concerned he wasn't gonna make it, going 2 nil Villa, Ollie and Jack.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2021, 02:56:43 PM
Snowing heavily in Yardley now. You could barely see the ball in the closing stages of the women's match at Walsall. Worried this game could be off or, worse, played in conditions similar to Bolton away. You don't want to play long ball dross like this in the snow, it's a leveller.

Surely that's not even a remote possibility with heated pitches these days?  The only time I can recall matches being off for snow is when the surrounding areas are too dangerous for fans to travel, but that's obviously not going to be a problem today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 23, 2021, 03:00:57 PM
Snowing heavily in Yardley now. You could barely see the ball in the closing stages of the women's match at Walsall. Worried this game could be off or, worse, played in conditions similar to Bolton away. You don't want to play long ball dross like this in the snow, it's a leveller.

I'm a couple of miles away from Villa Park and it's sunny here but we keep getting short snow showers. If it stays like this and things aren't massively different down the road then I don't think the weather will be a problem.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 23, 2021, 03:03:41 PM
Snowing heavily in Yardley now. You could barely see the ball in the closing stages of the women's match at Walsall. Worried this game could be off or, worse, played in conditions similar to Bolton away. You don't want to play long ball dross like this in the snow, it's a leveller.

Calling off for weather would only happen if 40k were preparing their cabbages and descending on the Villa Tavern and Cap n Gown as we type.

Think last game that was called off was QPR at home and that was due to safety of crowd rather than pitch issues.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2021, 04:12:04 PM
Hause wasn't in the squad against City so not sure if he's fit enough.

Injured foot, as I said before.
So what's wrong with hause?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on January 23, 2021, 04:19:36 PM
Hause wasn't in the squad against City so not sure if he's fit enough.

Injured foot, as I said before.
So what's wrong with hause?

olaftab you are naughty :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OCD on January 23, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
Hause wasn't in the squad against City so not sure if he's fit enough.

Injured foot, as I said before.
So what's wrong with hause?

I dip in and out of threads, I don't read every single comment on every single thread so I'm going to miss some posts.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 23, 2021, 05:06:28 PM
Hause wasn't in the squad against City so not sure if he's fit enough.

Injured foot, as I said before.
So what's wrong with hause?

I dip in and out of threads, I don't read every single comment on every single thread so I'm going to miss some posts.
Yes, but what's wrong with Hause?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 23, 2021, 05:17:34 PM
We need to get ruthless, and be far less wasteful when in good positions.

I think El Ghazi was very unlucky to not start the other night, and he more than deserves a starting place tonight.

It's tempting to think that this is a game that is ripe for us to hand out a good hiding to the opposition, however Newcastle will be desperate to get something from this game and I've a feeling that a 1-0 win might need to do.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2021, 05:24:12 PM
I think itíll be tricky. Theyíll inevitably sit back - we need to be precise and ruthless.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 23, 2021, 05:31:17 PM
Nakamba or Ramsey to replace McGinn? Ramsey seems obvious choice on current selection, but he seems more of an attacking midfielder than McGinnis been playing lately?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on January 23, 2021, 05:40:12 PM
Not Nakamba, he hamstrings us with his inability to get the ball forward with any accuracy or pace and I don't think his tackling around the area will be particularly suited to Newcastle at home.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 23, 2021, 05:59:16 PM
Hause wasn't in the squad against City so not sure if he's fit enough.

Injured foot, as I said before.
So what's wrong with hause?

I dip in and out of threads, I don't read every single comment on every single thread so I'm going to miss some posts.

I thought you were OCD
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OCD on January 23, 2021, 06:02:52 PM
Hause wasn't in the squad against City so not sure if he's fit enough.

Injured foot, as I said before.
So what's wrong with hause?

I dip in and out of threads, I don't read every single comment on every single thread so I'm going to miss some posts.

I thought you were OCD

I am with some things.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on January 23, 2021, 06:21:56 PM
Target starting
Trez on the bench

Inside information from my Son whose last inside information was that David Moyes would be our next manager before we then went and appointed Smith

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 23, 2021, 06:39:50 PM
Had a quick look at their forum, thread is titled Villans V The Hopless Shites

Don't know if they are talking about lack of beer ingredients or the need to sign one legged players.

https://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/42850-villans-v-the-hopless-shites-8pm-villa-park-sky-sports-main-event/

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2021, 06:53:10 PM
Had a quick look at their forum, thread is titled Villans V The Hopless Shites

Don't know if they are talking about lack of beer ingredients or the need to sign one legged players.

https://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/42850-villans-v-the-hopless-shites-8pm-villa-park-sky-sports-main-event/

God, all the Gifs. My eyes hurt from looking at it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2021, 06:54:18 PM
Thatís funny. They expect to be battered today. I hope we can meet their expectations.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on January 23, 2021, 06:54:31 PM
Had a quick look at their forum, thread is titled Villans V The Hopless Shites

Don't know if they are talking about lack of beer ingredients or the need to sign one legged players.

https://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/42850-villans-v-the-hopless-shites-8pm-villa-park-sky-sports-main-event/
Jeez what a crap forum. Thank McGrath for H&V
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2021, 07:03:08 PM
Targett in. Nakamba too....
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Newcastle United Pre-Match Thread
Post by: nordenvillain on January 23, 2021, 07:50:17 PM
4-0, have a good feeling about this one
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