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Title: Jon Moss
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 20, 2021, 07:54:21 PM
I said in pre match thread

Over weight
Does not keep up with play
Makes assumptions on decisions

Worst ref in the league.

We played well but twice now shit refs have cost us in Manchester
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Mellin on January 20, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
Useless fat ******.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Uknowthescore on January 20, 2021, 08:01:17 PM
According to the rules it was a goal. Iím more angry with mings, how many times has he cost us now.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Sdwbvf on January 20, 2021, 08:01:22 PM
Dean had it right as he walked off f****** p****
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Steve67 on January 20, 2021, 08:01:57 PM
Not fit enough.  Terrible first goal decision. Player coming from an offside position.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: TheMalandro on January 20, 2021, 08:02:31 PM
Itís not his fault.

Heís got to give the nation what it wants, what the league wants.
Secretly we all want to watch Liverpool and the Manchester clubs fight for the title.

I canít wait.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2021, 08:02:53 PM
Don't understand why Boy George was in love with him.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 20, 2021, 08:03:44 PM
He is a disgrace to the league. A shocker.

Second worst only to Friend.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: stevo_st on January 20, 2021, 08:04:03 PM
Blood boiling. Rules will need to change otherwise strikers will start exploiting such nonsense.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Legion on January 20, 2021, 08:04:29 PM
Incompetent.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 20, 2021, 08:05:31 PM
 Moss and var can just go to fuck!
Smith calling these cnuts out for what they are has my support.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 20, 2021, 08:07:05 PM
Clown......again
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Des Little on January 20, 2021, 08:07:14 PM
I canít have it that he knew the Premier Leagueís line on being active when he gave that goal.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Lsvilla on January 20, 2021, 08:08:14 PM
Itís offside. Simple. Theyíll argue black is white that there was something which made the phase of play different and he was therefore on but itís bollocks. Imagine the other way round and is getting that ?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 20, 2021, 08:09:08 PM
I simply don't get that.  As soon as the ball was headed forward from the Cith player the flag should have gone up for offside, as it was obvious that the City forward was seeking to become involved in that header forward.  That would have meant that Mings would have had no need to try and control an awkward ball coming down from a height.  No wonder Smith was/is incensed.
Rules my arse.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 20, 2021, 08:09:40 PM
Jon Moss Side more like it, after that. Bdum-tish.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: ez on January 20, 2021, 08:12:13 PM
Load of crap isn't it. They can spin it all they like but that goal will be disallowed 999 times out of 1000.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Des Little on January 20, 2021, 08:12:19 PM
Itís quiz time.

What do Aston Villa and George OíDowd have in common?

I wonít provide the answer for fear of getting banned.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: rougegorge on January 20, 2021, 08:13:09 PM
He is a disgrace to the league. A shocker.

Second worst only to Friend.
We were just saying the same thing. Moss and Kevin Ďyouíre no Friend of mineí are the worst.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: baddowvillans on January 20, 2021, 08:13:17 PM
So the reality is that the advice to linesman to delay putting up their flag on the basis the goal can be subsequent disallowed doesn't work in this ONE convenient scenario.  And do we believe that that was in the lino's head when he didn't raise his flag after Mings played the ball?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: ktvillan on January 20, 2021, 08:13:25 PM
Let us not forget Moss is the ref who refused us a blatant handball penalty at Arsenal last season, where the ball was hit at the Arsenal defenderís arm from about 5 times further than that header was launched at Cash tonight.  He was also the clown who awarded a penalty to Fernandes for jumping onto Konsa.  And then tonight.  The bloke is a grade a tool of a ref but his VARs are equally culpable.  And none of them ever seem to be held accountable for their fuck ups. 
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: CT on January 20, 2021, 08:14:05 PM
Itís not his fault.

Heís got to give the nation what it wants, what the league wants.
Secretly we all want to watch Liverpool and the Manchester clubs fight for the title.

I canít wait.

But youíre absolutely right, 100%. Itís what the PL want. Little old Villa putting up a battling fight to show what a great league it is, but the big worldwide brand gets the 3 important points.

Corrupt, corrupt from the bottom to the top.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: mrfuse on January 20, 2021, 08:14:06 PM
According to the rules it was a goal. Iím more angry with mings, how many times has he cost us now.

I'm sorry im not having Mings being blamed for that.

He controlled the ball because the City player was clearly offside.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: PhilVill on January 20, 2021, 08:15:41 PM
Happy to contribute to Dean's fine as he is a fucking prick, no argument from me.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 20, 2021, 08:16:25 PM
Itís offside. Simple. Theyíll argue black is white that there was something which made the phase of play different and he was therefore on but itís bollocks. Imagine the other way round and is getting that ?

Think of the ones we've had offside aswell this season, McGinn rocket at Arsenal that was chalked off because Barkley was sort of standing near the keeper and Watkins shoulder offside v West Ham because the defender practically had him in a headlock.

What a load of rubbish when you see a clear offside like that ignored because of a barmy interpretation of the law.

BTW is this the first time we're not bothering with post match thread and just going to slag Moss off. If so excellent.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 20, 2021, 08:17:51 PM
Please could someone please explain something, because I've got a Citeh supporting mate (who now lives in New Zealand) messaging me over his Corn Flakes telling me it was the right decision.   If Mings had simply caught the ball, which way would the free-kick have gone?  For the original off-side offence or the deliberate hand ball?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: ktvillan on January 20, 2021, 08:18:12 PM
Itís not his fault.

Heís got to give the nation what it wants, what the league wants.
Secretly we all want to watch Liverpool and the Manchester clubs fight for the title.

I canít wait.

But youíre absolutely right, 100%. Itís what the PL want. Little old Villa putting up a battling fight to show what a great league it is, but the big worldwide brand gets the 3 important points.

Corrupt, corrupt from the bottom to the top.

In a game where small margins make huge differences there are still far too many marginal decisions that go in favour of team like Liverpool, Citeh and Yanited.  I though VAR would help to level it out by embarassing some of them into correcting their appalling  decisions but far from it -  because there is no accountability. They can't even use the excuse of pressure from the crowd these days, it just seems to be pure unadulterated and ingrained bias.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Mellin on January 20, 2021, 08:19:01 PM
Yep, no post match required. I just want to slag this fat ****** off. Didn't realise he was the Fernandes/Konsa and Arsenal ref. That's just dialled the seethe up to defcon 5

Those 3 decisions against Arsenal, United and City. Says it all really. Strike him off.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: jwarry on January 20, 2021, 08:19:18 PM
Bizarrely Walton said it was offside at the time then re read the rules and agreed with the VAR! OMG even he didnít know! Just shocking!!
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Sdwbvf on January 20, 2021, 08:20:00 PM
If Mings had caught it they would have found a way to give them a penalty and send Mings off
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Jon H on January 20, 2021, 08:20:52 PM
Itís sort of understandable if the player is coming back but,say,running away from initial path of the play but actively running TO the play is seeking to gain an advantage.End of.If this is the way it is now - then in a similar scenario Ollie just goes off and stands goal side off C\H to nip it off him & we score.
Except you know full well it wouldnít stand.....
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 20, 2021, 08:21:18 PM
Itís not his fault.

Heís got to give the nation what it wants, what the league wants.
Secretly we all want to watch Liverpool and the Manchester clubs fight for the title.

I canít wait.

But youíre absolutely right, 100%. Itís what the PL want. Little old Villa putting up a battling fight to show what a great league it is, but the big worldwide brand gets the 3 important points.

Corrupt, corrupt from the bottom to the top.
This ......which is why I find it difficult to watch games ....shocking officials and the joke that is VAR
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: aj2k77 on January 20, 2021, 08:21:36 PM
Wanker bloke.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: rougegorge on January 20, 2021, 08:22:45 PM
Peter Walton on BT said it was offside , and then conveniently changed his mind after the FAís hasty explanation. Rio Ferdinand was adamant it was offside, and although Mings could have cleared it, how on earth can Rodri not be interfering with play?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: ez on January 20, 2021, 08:25:39 PM
Peter Walton on BT said it was offside , and then conveniently changed his mind after the FAís hasty explanation. Rio Ferdinand was adamant it was offside, and although Mings could have cleared it, how on earth can Rodri not be interfering with play?

And how is he not seeking to gain an advantage?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: mrfuse on January 20, 2021, 08:28:10 PM
Peter Walton on BT said it was offside , and then conveniently changed his mind after the FAís hasty explanation. Rio Ferdinand was adamant it was offside, and although Mings could have cleared it, how on earth can Rodri not be interfering with play?

And how is he not seeking to gain an advantage?

Thats exactly how Jake Humphrey replied.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: CT Villan on January 20, 2021, 08:32:17 PM
He is but another festering wart on the anus of society (PGMOL).
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: villadelph on January 20, 2021, 08:34:16 PM
I hate that he has a thread on this forum.

He can no longer officiate our matches - simple as. Too many mistakes and a liability to the integrity of the game.

Cease and Desist order sent to the FA, please Villa. At the end of the day, this is a business and he is a jeopardizing the product.


Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Ian. on January 20, 2021, 08:38:17 PM
I donít think Moss likes us does he?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: LukeJames on January 20, 2021, 08:38:33 PM
Did we ask for Friend not too referee our games any more or did the Premier League realise he was a petty biased ****** against us?

Moss should be given the same treatment, this unfit twat has made so many glaringly biased decisions against us over the past 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Des Little on January 20, 2021, 08:39:10 PM
So if Mings leaves the ball, as so many people are saying, the Man City midfielder is clean through on goal. As Michael Owen said after the game, that ridiculous rule will 100% get changed at the next meeting. Itís a joke.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: villadelph on January 20, 2021, 08:44:22 PM
So if Mings leaves the ball, as so many people are saying, the Man City midfielder is clean through on goal. As Michael Owen said after the game, that ridiculous rule will 100% get changed at the next meeting. Itís a joke.

Changed at our expense with no retribution or apology.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: CT on January 20, 2021, 08:50:39 PM
Similar to last season there. Their second goal was offside, but they VAR checked and gave it.

Later on they admitted it was offside. Oh well, never mind, itís only us. Weíre not a global brand like City.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: paul_e on January 20, 2021, 08:53:26 PM
I look at it the other way, if the player is in an onside position in front of Mings does Mings try to bring the ball down or just try to get a head on it and get it away?

On top of that I've definitely seen a player lying on the floor in a offside position get up and the ref blow up because he's gone to close the ball down.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: pooligan on January 20, 2021, 08:55:29 PM
As i sadly forecast on the pre match forum this  morning that bastard Moss has cheated us yet again . The bloke like that other useless idiot Friend clearly dislikes us and goes out of his way to either give us nothing and the other side dubious decisions Every game he is in charge of us is the same story  People go on  about his decisions  last season against Arsenal and Man Utd .I can go back even further ,he was the referee who when we played Spurs in the League Cup  a few years back  was the only bloke in Villa Park who failed to see a spurs defender pull Helenius shorts down as he raced into the area He is also the idiot who failed to give us a penalty against Arsenal in the F A Cup final  .It is obvious that Friend is never given  a villa game since Palace at the start of last season ,we should put a request in for the same treatment for this fat bastard   
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: walsall villain on January 20, 2021, 09:07:09 PM
So if Mings leaves the ball, as so many people are saying, the Man City midfielder is clean through on goal. As Michael Owen said after the game, that ridiculous rule will 100% get changed at the next meeting. Itís a joke.
If not other teams will try and copy it.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 20, 2021, 09:10:11 PM
Does the stand in lino take some blame?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: stevo_st on January 20, 2021, 09:15:45 PM
Does the stand in lino take some blame?

The Lino on the other side of the pitch should have spotted it as well
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: DrGonzo on January 20, 2021, 09:17:47 PM
Massive streak of piss.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 20, 2021, 09:19:54 PM
"Receives the ball" is the wording,  well he didn't receive it,  he tackled Mings
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Legion on January 20, 2021, 09:20:29 PM
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Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: mrfuse on January 20, 2021, 09:23:37 PM
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Legion on January 20, 2021, 09:24:16 PM
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Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 20, 2021, 09:36:42 PM
I'm still fuming from Savage creaming his pants after the game.
What an absolute tosser.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: stevo_st on January 20, 2021, 09:49:59 PM
ďa player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offenceĒ

So he was offside because he was ďmoving towards the ball from an offside position with the intention of playing the ballĒ by ďchallenging an opponent for the ballĒ

Edit: Actually that above rule is to do with players in an offside position being taken out, such as the Pickford VVD one.

Still running towards the ball and tackling someone from an offside position isnít allowed
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Legion on January 20, 2021, 09:51:44 PM
It's farcical.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Des Little on January 20, 2021, 09:53:08 PM
They can dress it up all they like, but they know a bollock has been dropped, and weíre the team that suffers on this occasion. Iíd just like to see an ounce of humility from the PL every now and again, it might just help.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: clash city rocker on January 20, 2021, 09:57:21 PM
I'm still fuming from Savage creaming his pants after the game.
What an absolute tosser.

Savage makes Trump look like a human being
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 20, 2021, 10:04:46 PM
Does the stand in lino take some blame?

They aren't called linesman now, when you're running the line with Moss its assistant wanker.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 20, 2021, 11:40:37 PM
So a toenail can be deemed offside but 10 yards isnít?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: pooligan on January 20, 2021, 11:57:13 PM
God  i hate this bastard Moss  I have just learned that McGinn is now suspended for the Newcastle game  Deano is angry about it as he sid it seemed he could'nt get his card out fast enough .Hope the club put in a complaint about this tosser
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Gareth on January 21, 2021, 12:06:19 AM
I think the motd commentary puts a different perspective on the decision-less that 10 seconds after the goal was scored Guy Mowbray said VAR had said check complete - that gave them no time to even watch a replay of the incident to check 2/3 angles on whether Mings clearly played the ball to bring Rodri into play.

Iím completely convinced that they scrabbled round to match a rule to the incident after the event than knowing they were correct to the letter.

Watching it unfold on BT & Waltonís reaction which was initially it was offside & then u-turned after final whistle, heíd clearly spoken to the PGMOL & fell into line defending his ex-colleagues.

Moss is always appalling, always miles from play guessing outcomes.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2021, 12:14:09 AM
Isn't he a bit old/unfit (physically as well as professionally) to still be a top level ref ?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: The Edge on January 21, 2021, 04:59:56 AM
Looked in on their bluemoon forum. They've convinced Jon Moss hates them. Someone called him a cheating fat prick. I guess we're all a bit paranoid that refs and officials are out to do us but after him gift wrapping them a win last night I'm baffled by their attacks on him. Oh and apparently the goal was definitely the correct decision and they're amazed that no one seems to understand the offside rules as well as them. Hats off to them for having such an encyclopedic knowledge of the offside rules. Fucking whoppers.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 21, 2021, 06:51:58 AM
Thought I might sleep on it and wake with a more balanced, reasonable view of Moss and last night's decision.

Nope, still utterly disgraceful and Moss is a cheating, unfit twat who should never be allowed to referee again.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: stevo_st on January 21, 2021, 07:51:05 AM
Iíve slept on it, and still convinced that jogging to close the ball down from an offside position is interfering with play.
And he was offside.

And that in 99.99% of occasions in football matches across the world, that is given offside.

Their reinterpretation of the rules sets a dangerous precedent, and undermines the game for all.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Dr Butler on January 21, 2021, 07:55:31 AM
I think the motd commentary puts a different perspective on the decision-less that 10 seconds after the goal was scored Guy Mowbray said VAR had said check complete - that gave them no time to even watch a replay of the incident to check 2/3 angles on whether Mings clearly played the ball to bring Rodri into play.

Iím completely convinced that they scrabbled round to match a rule to the incident after the event than knowing they were correct to the letter.

Watching it unfold on BT & Waltonís reaction which was initially it was offside & then u-turned after final whistle, heíd clearly spoken to the PGMOL & fell into line defending his ex-colleagues.

Moss is always appalling, always miles from play guessing outcomes.

this is exactly how I see it Gareth.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Rudy65 on January 21, 2021, 08:34:42 AM
How embarrassing for Walton on BT not to know the rules as a senior referee and supposed expert employed to analyse such controversial decision. He looked mighty embarrassed having to do a u turn.

Clearly offside should have been given. However, Mingís knew he was there and should have headed or kicked it out

I wonder in the next set of games if any team will try to be clever and copy what Rodri did if the circumstances allow it
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Big Ming on January 21, 2021, 08:35:37 AM
The rule should state clearly that the player coming from an offside position must put himself in an onside position before playing the ball.

As for Moss, he's unfit in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: nick harper on January 21, 2021, 08:42:31 AM
How embarrassing for Walton on BT not to know the rules as a senior referee and supposed expert employed to analyse such controversial decision. He looked mighty embarrassed having to do a u turn.

Clearly offside should have been given. However, Mingís knew he was there and should have headed or kicked it out

I wonder in the next set of games if any team will try to be clever and copy what Rodri did if the circumstances allow it

Mings did know he was there according to his tweet. Heís admitted that and that he would have just cleared it if heíd known Rodri could have challenged him from that position. He only tried to take it down because he thought Rodri had to get himself onside - which we know is really the rule.

He was desperately unlucky.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 21, 2021, 08:44:53 AM
the explanation they are using to justify the wrong decision is bizare. It applies to backpasses that are played and intercepted by the offside player. Rodri tackled back from an offside position which is not allowed. Totally different thing.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: London Villan on January 21, 2021, 08:48:18 AM
They could kill this by saying they got it wrong, but no, in the best example of trumpism theyíll just keep digging...
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Des Little on January 21, 2021, 08:52:24 AM
Much of this is to do with the new rules around linesmen not flagging straight away. Had the flag gone up the minute the header back was made, then thereís no debate, heís a mile off. Itís a farce.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Clive W on January 21, 2021, 09:00:15 AM
Much of this is to do with the new rules around linesmen not flagging straight away. Had the flag gone up the minute the header back was made, then thereís no debate, heís a mile off. Itís a farce.

Yes this new linesman (sorry - Assistant Referee) edict makes you wonder what is the point of having them in matches played with VAR?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: OzVilla on January 21, 2021, 09:23:40 AM
Up there with Kevin Friend for being an officious, look at me, useless, wanker of a ref.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 21, 2021, 09:38:02 AM
I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Clive W on January 21, 2021, 09:40:12 AM
I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.

I may be wrong but isnít Elleray in charge of VAR?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 21, 2021, 09:42:30 AM
I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.

I may be wrong but isnít Elleray in charge of VAR?
I thought it was Neil Swarbrick.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: OzVilla on January 21, 2021, 09:44:17 AM
I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.

I may be wrong but isnít Elleray in charge of VAR?
I thought it was Neil Swarbrick.

Ray Charles isnít it?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Drummond on January 21, 2021, 09:46:43 AM
Useless twat. At least we won't have him for games for a good while after that shit show.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: OzVilla on January 21, 2021, 09:50:46 AM
Weíve not Kevin Friend since the Palace debacle so I hope youíre right, still plenty more incompetent imbeciles where these robbing bastards are concerned though. Iím utterly over this biased, corrupt shit show that is VAR.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Clive W on January 21, 2021, 09:59:40 AM
I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.

I may be wrong but isnít Elleray in charge of VAR?
I thought it was Neil Swarbrick.

Think youíre correct Exeter but Elleray has got some involvement

ďDavid Elleray has admitted VAR has ďhad an impact on the flow of the gameĒ but says that will have to be accepted as the game prioritises getting the ďright decisionĒ.

The former referee, in his role as the technical director of the rule-making International Football Association Board (Ifab), has been at the heart of developing VAR as an aid to referees in eliminating ďclear and obvious errorsĒ from the game.Ē
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: aj2k77 on January 21, 2021, 10:07:37 AM
Fat Bastard. Elleray can go to fuck as well, something went wrong with that ones upbringing.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Dave P on January 21, 2021, 10:20:28 AM
  If Mings had simply caught the ball, which way would the free-kick have gone?  For the original off-side offence or the deliberate hand ball?

Hand ball against Mings and rightly so as the City player was not interfering with play.  I think how the real events din pan out, he certainly interfered with play.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Dave P on January 21, 2021, 10:28:44 AM
I slept on in and I'm angrier now then last night.  We live in an age where the linesman is told not to put up their flag early because of VAR.  We had a scenario last night where there was a clear offside but no flag went up and it led to a goal. The ref (who is 100% culpable for this in my view) gives the goal as there is no flag.  VAR hides behind a draconian law to not overturn the original decision in what seemed like seconds.

I'm not pardoning Mings in any of this as he didn't defend it well at all but there is no way he could have let that go though and by playing it, he brought a clearly offside player into play.  As everyone has said, why doesn't every striker play 10 yards behind the back line?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: john e on January 21, 2021, 10:41:03 AM
I donít like him
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: pooligan on January 21, 2021, 12:54:13 PM
If Mings had caught the ball ,you can be sure Moss would have had his red card out within seconds like he did with Deano
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: ktvillan on January 21, 2021, 01:14:35 PM
I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.

I may be wrong but isnít Elleray in charge of VAR?

 I think you may be right -  which would explain a lot - he was the pioneer of anti-Villa outrageous decisions. Every bleeding time.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: not3bad on January 21, 2021, 01:15:34 PM
Don't understand why Boy George was in love with him.

He's a fat Celine Dion
A Karma Chamelion
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2021, 01:24:25 PM
Hes James Milner ex PE teacher.  And he sent him off for Liverpool
How dare he do that to Milner!

Who cares if he sends a Liverpool player off?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2021, 01:25:29 PM
I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.

I never thought it would happen
With me and that Jamie Clapham
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2021, 01:38:54 PM
Don't understand why Boy George was in love with him.

He's a fat Celine Dion
A Karma Chamelion

Someone say Celine Dion ? its all coming back to me or in this case the balls coming back to me

But when you touch the ball like this
And Mings plays it like that
I just have to admit
Cant believe the balls coming back to Rhodri
When Mings touches it like this
And Mings holds it like that
It's so hard to believe but
The balls coming back to Rhodri
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2021, 04:32:14 PM
Very good!
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: pooligan on January 21, 2021, 05:53:01 PM
Oh yes David Elleray  another idiot who among his many gaffs gave a Small Heath a goal that should never have been because he thought he saw Enkelman touch the ball from Melbergs throw in
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2021, 06:06:43 PM
Very good!

My Heart will go on.

Every night in My dreams
I see no goal I feel no goal
I don't understand  why Moss says the play can go on
Far across the distance
Mings and Rhodri no spaces between us?
Moss has allowed play to go on

Near, far,  with no check of VAR
He believes that the play can go on
Once more, in the offside corridor
And VAR in his ear its a laugh
And Dean curses you got it wrong oh Jon oh Jon

Moss gets it wrong most of the time
And  his decisions last a lifetime
And i'll never it let go 'til he's gone
Smith quite rightly told you that you're just an unfit old mule
In my life, your decision will always be wrong

In Mosses ear, theres something I fear
And I know that his decisions will go wrong
He'll stay forever this way
You aren't welcome at Villa Park
And its a farce that he gets to ref on and on

Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: LukeJames on January 21, 2021, 06:23:13 PM
What the fuck have I just read?

Why the fuck did I read it in a Celine Dion voice?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: purpletrousers on January 21, 2021, 07:23:11 PM
Happy to contribute to Dean's fine as he is a fucking prick, no argument from me.
There are more important things going on (cf https://twitter.com/purpletrousers/status/1349977200024580097?s=21) but it would be slightly amusing if he got the fine covered by hundreds of thousands of football fans sick of VAR/silly rules ruining the game, each putting no more than £1 in and signing a petition calling for common sense at the same time. It feels like itís time there was a bit of a response. If anyone fancied organising like.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: London Villan on January 21, 2021, 07:26:44 PM
Don't the fines go to charity anyway? So it's a win win!
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: purpletrousers on January 21, 2021, 07:42:53 PM
"Receives the ball" is the wording,  well he didn't receive it,  he tackled Mings

Absolutely. If they are playing Ďletter of the lawí rather than spirit of the game, than surely *receiving* wording is imperative, and is relevant to:

the explanation they are using to justify the wrong decision is bizare. It applies to backpasses that are played and intercepted by the offside player. Rodri tackled back from an offside position which is not allowed. Totally different thing.

 Add in

Much of this is to do with the new rules around linesmen not flagging straight away. Had the flag gone up the minute the header back was made, then thereís no debate, heís a mile off. Itís a farce.

You canít argue with Deanoís analysis.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on January 21, 2021, 09:38:11 PM
It's becoming pretty obvious now that the laws of the game are being changed on the hoof when a top 6 team is involved. Since time began that would be deemed offside. Now its a grey area. Jesus. All season long we've been the victims of dubious or downright wrong VAR decisions and just rank bad refereeing. I was absolutely fuming after that United penalty and last night was just as bad. Deano needs to start screaming from the rooftops about the refereeing and demand they're never in charge of a Villa game again. Of course they won't listen, but it will focus attention on the ridiculous amount of wrong decisions we've been and will continue to be on the wrong end of. It's becoming comical now.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 21, 2021, 09:43:31 PM
"Receives the ball" is the wording,  well he didn't receive it,  he tackled Mings

Absolutely. If they are playing Ďletter of the lawí rather than spirit of the game, than surely *receiving* wording is imperative, and is relevant to:

the explanation they are using to justify the wrong decision is bizare. It applies to backpasses that are played and intercepted by the offside player. Rodri tackled back from an offside position which is not allowed. Totally different thing.

 Add in

Much of this is to do with the new rules around linesmen not flagging straight away. Had the flag gone up the minute the header back was made, then thereís no debate, heís a mile off. Itís a farce.

You canít argue with Deanoís analysis.

Oh you can.  You are right in agreeing with his sentiments but we should have been aware of the rules as it stands.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2021, 09:57:05 PM
Which rules? There are 3-4 posts on here pointing out the other offside rules and how they contradict what the refs are all coming out with today.

What would be really useful now would be for someone to explain why, in this case, that rule was applied and not the other one.

As far as I can tell it comes down to a fraction of a second decision on whether Mings was in control of the ball when Rodri tackled him. If you watch it carefully the ball hasn't even got to the floor when Rodri challenges for it so Mings is, in my opinion, still in the process of controlling it and a ref with any degree of understanding about playing the game and who isn't a fat t**t blows up immediately because it's clear that Rodri gained an advantage from being offside.

I'm absolutely certain that an club employed ref (as you proposed elsewhere) who went through the rules with the club would never have even considered bringing up a situation like this as something to be wary of. If this very specific interpretation of the rule was well known we'd have seen goals like this before.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2021, 10:07:40 PM
The rules are bollocks.  You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.

Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside

How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: olaftab on January 21, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
Very good!
Look what you've done now :'(
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: pooligan on January 21, 2021, 10:33:08 PM
Surprise Surprise Deano has been charged while the idiot who caused the trouble is protected and no action is taken against  I am falling out of love the game i have watched all my life
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2021, 12:48:55 AM
Very good!
Look what you've done now :'(

Ref cocks up Waves play on
Smith fought the law and the laws wrong
Smith fought the law and the law wrong
Where was the flag there was none?
Smith fought the law and the law wrong
Smith fought the law and the law wrong
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 22, 2021, 05:21:20 AM
I concur, Footy.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: tony scott on January 22, 2021, 06:06:37 AM
The amazing reach of Jon Moss, walking down the Main Street ,of the small Australia town ,where I live I started talking a Vietnamese lad wearing a PSG shirt, when he heard I supported the Villa, he said did you see that goal last night never a goal
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Drummond on January 22, 2021, 09:32:36 AM
Wanker. (moss I mean.)
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: ktvillan on January 22, 2021, 10:29:07 AM
The rules are bollocks.  You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.

Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside

How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?

Having read and re-read the full offside law several times I don't actually see a problem with it.  The problem is that Moss got it wrong and the PL have tried to justify it by referring to the bit of the rule that covers a player "receiving" the ball.  This was obviously put in to distinguish between mis-hit kicks that go to an offside attacker or interceptions of back passes (both onside), as opposed to deflections which would not play the attacker onside. Hence the use of the word "deliberately".

That scenario is completely different to this incident.  There was no deliberate attempt at a back pass or a miskick that meant Rodri "received" the ball.  He went and got the ball by challenging Mings for it.  There is another part of the law that specifically says such a challenge is deemed gaining an advantage and is therefore offside.

Long and short of it, Moss fucked up (again) PL trying to cover his arse, pundits and many fans buying it as "the letter of the law" , but in this situation it simply isn't.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 22, 2021, 10:46:04 AM
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2021, 11:22:17 AM
The rules are bollocks.  You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.

Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside

How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?

Having read and re-read the full offside law several times I don't actually see a problem with it.  The problem is that Moss got it wrong and the PL have tried to justify it by referring to the bit of the rule that covers a player "receiving" the ball.  This was obviously put in to distinguish between mis-hit kicks that go to an offside attacker or interceptions of back passes (both onside), as opposed to deflections which would not play the attacker onside. Hence the use of the word "deliberately".

That scenario is completely different to this incident.  There was no deliberate attempt at a back pass or a miskick that meant Rodri "received" the ball.  He went and got the ball by challenging Mings for it.  There is another part of the law that specifically says such a challenge is deemed gaining an advantage and is therefore offside.

Long and short of it, Moss fucked up (again) PL trying to cover his arse, pundits and many fans buying it as "the letter of the law" , but in this situation it simply isn't.

Yes that's right. The 'defender playing the ball' clearly means that if Mings chests the ball down, controls it, and attempts to pass it to Konsa, but gives it to Rodri instead, then Rodri isn't offside and can freely and correctly try to score. What Rodri can't do, is try to tackle the player with the ball when coming back from an offside position. Which is EXACTLY what happened in our game.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: The Edge on January 22, 2021, 11:50:42 AM
The rules are bollocks.  You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.

Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside

How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?

Having read and re-read the full offside law several times I don't actually see a problem with it.  The problem is that Moss got it wrong and the PL have tried to justify it by referring to the bit of the rule that covers a player "receiving" the ball.  This was obviously put in to distinguish between mis-hit kicks that go to an offside attacker or interceptions of back passes (both onside), as opposed to deflections which would not play the attacker onside. Hence the use of the word "deliberately".

That scenario is completely different to this incident.  There was no deliberate attempt at a back pass or a miskick that meant Rodri "received" the ball.  He went and got the ball by challenging Mings for it.  There is another part of the law that specifically says such a challenge is deemed gaining an advantage and is therefore offside.

Long and short of it, Moss fucked up (again) PL trying to cover his arse, pundits and many fans buying it as "the letter of the law" , but in this situation it simply isn't.
That's a very good summary of Wednesday's events.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: The Edge on January 22, 2021, 12:00:57 PM
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 22, 2021, 12:03:29 PM
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.

Yeah, we don't want loads of unfair decisions to start going against us when we play the 'big clubs'.

Oh.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2021, 12:04:59 PM
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.
The creation of PGMOL is an absoloute disgrace, they are like a Mafia organisation and seem able to operate above the law.
I still believe Smith has to stand up with the full support of the club.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: The Edge on January 22, 2021, 12:08:48 PM
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.

Yeah, we don't want loads of unfair decisions to start going against us when we play the 'big clubs'.

Oh.
I wanted to highlight the word really but can't do it on my phone.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: The Edge on January 22, 2021, 12:12:57 PM
Keir Hackett former referees chief is calling Jon Moss arrogant for the way he dealt with Dean Smith's red card. He said "I don't know why he was even over there right in front of Dean Smith. It was as if to say look at me" "The third office could of dealt with it. That's what he's there for"
I'm starting to loathe Jon Moss.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2021, 12:16:48 PM
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.

Whatever the wrongs and wrongs of the actual offside decision, that has no bearing on his insult to Moss. Managers and players know you can't insult the ref, so while Moss may be a fat, corrupt, useless, fat, corrupt, clown shoe wearing, fat, corrupt imbecile, you just can't say as such. It'll probably be the best £20K or whatever that Dean ever spends though.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 22, 2021, 12:17:03 PM
God help Moss if he comes back to VP with fans back!
Love to have him running the line in front of us.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2021, 01:08:29 PM
At what age do they have to retire? He's 50 now (stone as well by the look of him).
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: ktvillan on January 22, 2021, 05:26:31 PM
Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.

Whatever the wrongs and wrongs of the actual offside decision, that has no bearing on his insult to Moss. Managers and players know you can't insult the ref, so while Moss may be a fat, corrupt, useless, fat, corrupt, clown shoe wearing, fat, corrupt imbecile, you just can't say as such. It'll probably be the best £20K or whatever that Dean ever spends though.

True Risso but that's the core of the problem. Refs can be as useless, fat, incompetent, fat, blind, fat,  biased and thick and fat and did I mention fat as they like and nothing is said or done.  But when someone affected has the temerity to point it out to them it's bringing the game into disrepute.  It's basically a police state approach.  Until there is some form of proper accountability and transparency for the pish performances of officials, then it will continue to be a problem. In the meantime hopefully Moss will be Kevin Unfriended and won't be allowed to ref us again.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: pooligan on January 22, 2021, 08:29:26 PM
Moss looks and acts like our old fat friend Phil Dowd who also use to go out of his way to give bad decisions against us  and make his own rules up like against United in the League Cup Final  Dowd was forced to retire as he failed the fitness teat all referees have to take ,how Moss passed the test amazes me
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: oldtimernow on January 22, 2021, 09:44:34 PM
Look forward to seeing Moss officiating in front of a packed Villa Park

Imagine seeing all those juggling balls rather than cabbages
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 22, 2021, 09:57:28 PM
He's up there with the best Rennie, clappenburg, friend.  I do generally feel sorry for officials in most sports who the fuc would want to do  that but the likes of Jon Moss are more like the sneaky traffic warden or the TV licence enforcer.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: OzVilla on January 23, 2021, 04:23:09 AM
I donít think Moss will be struck off from reffing our games as the PGMOL donít think there was any error made, they believe it was correct. Friend on the other hand was in the wrong and they provided no defence whatsoever.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Gareth on January 23, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Friends penalty call today 🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 23, 2021, 05:46:27 PM
At what age do they have to retire? He's 50 now (stone as well by the look of him).
he doesn't look fit enough to keep up with the play - and if he's puffing and panting and feels like he's about to have a heart attack, then it means he probably can't concentrate on the play enough to make good decisions.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Smoke on January 26, 2021, 04:18:09 PM
So with today's 'clarification' of the offside rule showing this cheating cock womble for what he is.

This bag of skin surely cannot be allowed to referee another Villa game.


Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 26, 2021, 04:20:53 PM
It did not matter how many versions of the event they came up with, it shows Moss is a cheating scumbag.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Steve67 on January 26, 2021, 04:22:59 PM
Will Deanís ban and fine be rescinded too? An apology by any chance? Will dick splash Dermot come out on Monday and admit the referees union got it wrong? Will they fuck.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 26, 2021, 04:44:42 PM
So with today's 'clarification' of the offside rule showing this cheating cock womble for what he is.

This bag of skin surely cannot be allowed to referee another Villa game.



Where is this to read?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Legion on January 26, 2021, 04:46:04 PM
Offside thread.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: andyh on January 26, 2021, 04:49:21 PM
He was waddling around the pitch in the Spurs/Wycombe game last night.
He seemed very pally and jokey with the Spurs players.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2021, 05:26:12 PM
I'm even more pissed off now than I was at the time.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Ian. on January 26, 2021, 05:52:23 PM
Itís just hard to fathom how three officials on the pitch, the fourth official and the VAR people could have looked at it and not come to same conclusion as our players, manager, their manager, the pundits with the ref in the studio and all who watched it. Didnít one of them say to the other, thatís offside?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 28, 2021, 01:21:49 AM
For serial cheats like Moss, what happened against Citeh was just another day at the office.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: OzVilla on January 28, 2021, 01:35:19 AM
Have we received an apology yet?
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: chrisw1 on January 28, 2021, 03:08:15 PM
Moss' decision against us was clearly wrong.  We all knew it from the start.  The explanations that followed and the not checking our goal against Newcastle all seemed to be a ridiculous charade to defend him at all costs.  It was embarrassing to be frank.

But why are people calling him a cheat?  Do people honestly think he would want to put his reputation and career on the line because of some perceived dislike of our club? 

It's more like he felt he knew the rules and just wanted to show everybody he knew best - pure arrogance.  The PGMOL's defence of him played right into his hands and of course it's only because they realised the confusion that they were creating was going to cause chaos that they've now  backtracked.  It could have all been avoided with some common sense on the night either by Moss himself, the fourth official, the VAR official or PGMOL after the event.  This defending of refs at all costs has to stop.

But with that said, I believe Moss is arrogant and arguably incompetent.  But a cheat?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: LeeB on January 28, 2021, 03:33:59 PM
Moss' decision against us was clearly wrong.  We all knew it from the start.  The explanations that followed and the not checking our goal against Newcastle all seemed to be a ridiculous charade to defend him at all costs.  It was embarrassing to be frank.

But why are people calling him a cheat?  Do people honestly think he would want to put his reputation and career on the line because of some perceived dislike of our club? 

It's more like he felt he knew the rules and just wanted to show everybody he knew best - pure arrogance.  The PGMOL's defence of him played right into his hands and of course it's only because they realised the confusion that they were creating was going to cause chaos that they've now  backtracked.  It could have all been avoided with some common sense on the night either by Moss himself, the fourth official, the VAR official or PGMOL after the event.  This defending of refs at all costs has to stop.

But with that said, I believe Moss is arrogant and arguably incompetent.  But a cheat?  I don't think so.


It's not cheating, it's institutional bias. To change it, they would first need to acknowledge it, which they won't, and then they'd need to look at changing their whole approach, which they won't.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Smoke on January 28, 2021, 06:33:33 PM
I'm calling him a cheat because it's far from the first time he's fucked us with blatantly dodgy decisions.

Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: brian green on January 28, 2021, 06:56:57 PM
It is cheating if a wrong decision is made knowingly.  Whether the motivation is malicious or negligent, premeditated or spontaneous it is still cheating.  If you steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving child or to feed the pigeons, it is still the theft of a loaf of bread.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Gareth on January 28, 2021, 09:35:50 PM
He isnít a cheat but PGMOL open him up for those accusations when rather than admit an obvious error they invent a smokescreen pretending it wasnít an error.

Hopeless referee 100%, cheat not in the slightest

Anyway, thoughts are with him tonight as believe he is VAR for Spurs v Liverpool and theyíve interrupted his Deliveroos with 2/3 VAR checks
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 30, 2021, 07:01:12 PM
When you dread to find out who the ref is, and he then proceeds to confirm your feelings in virtually every game he officiates, I know what I call it...
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Big Ming on January 30, 2021, 07:23:55 PM
Kevin Friend is just as useless/bent.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 01, 2021, 12:30:41 AM
I agree.

There a number of poor refs in the prem -and elsewhere!- but those two stand out for the wrong reasons, and have done on too many occasions.
Title: Re: Jon Moss
Post by: Des Little on February 01, 2021, 12:39:53 AM
Moss is an arrogant wanker who knows that heís untouchable, so has carte blanche to operate to his own agenda, which is basically to be the star of the show. He wonít change, so all we can do is look forward to the day he retires, although knowing our luck heíll probably supersede Mike Riley.
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