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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on January 20, 2021, 07:54:21 PM
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I said in pre match thread
Over weight
Does not keep up with play
Makes assumptions on decisions
Worst ref in the league.
We played well but twice now shit refs have cost us in Manchester
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Useless fat ******.
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According to the rules it was a goal. I’m more angry with mings, how many times has he cost us now.
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Dean had it right as he walked off f****** p****
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Not fit enough. Terrible first goal decision. Player coming from an offside position.
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It’s not his fault.
He’s got to give the nation what it wants, what the league wants.
Secretly we all want to watch Liverpool and the Manchester clubs fight for the title.
I can’t wait.
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Don't understand why Boy George was in love with him.
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He is a disgrace to the league. A shocker.
Second worst only to Friend.
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Blood boiling. Rules will need to change otherwise strikers will start exploiting such nonsense.
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Incompetent.
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Moss and var can just go to fuck!
Smith calling these cnuts out for what they are has my support.
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Clown......again
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I can’t have it that he knew the Premier League’s line on being active when he gave that goal.
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It’s offside. Simple. They’ll argue black is white that there was something which made the phase of play different and he was therefore on but it’s bollocks. Imagine the other way round and is getting that ?
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I simply don't get that. As soon as the ball was headed forward from the Cith player the flag should have gone up for offside, as it was obvious that the City forward was seeking to become involved in that header forward. That would have meant that Mings would have had no need to try and control an awkward ball coming down from a height. No wonder Smith was/is incensed.
Rules my arse.
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Jon Moss Side more like it, after that. Bdum-tish.
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Load of crap isn't it. They can spin it all they like but that goal will be disallowed 999 times out of 1000.
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It’s quiz time.
What do Aston Villa and George O’Dowd have in common?
I won’t provide the answer for fear of getting banned.
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He is a disgrace to the league. A shocker.
Second worst only to Friend.
We were just saying the same thing. Moss and Kevin ‘you’re no Friend of mine’ are the worst.
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So the reality is that the advice to linesman to delay putting up their flag on the basis the goal can be subsequent disallowed doesn't work in this ONE convenient scenario. And do we believe that that was in the lino's head when he didn't raise his flag after Mings played the ball?
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Let us not forget Moss is the ref who refused us a blatant handball penalty at Arsenal last season, where the ball was hit at the Arsenal defender’s arm from about 5 times further than that header was launched at Cash tonight. He was also the clown who awarded a penalty to Fernandes for jumping onto Konsa. And then tonight. The bloke is a grade a tool of a ref but his VARs are equally culpable. And none of them ever seem to be held accountable for their fuck ups.
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It’s not his fault.
He’s got to give the nation what it wants, what the league wants.
Secretly we all want to watch Liverpool and the Manchester clubs fight for the title.
I can’t wait.
But you’re absolutely right, 100%. It’s what the PL want. Little old Villa putting up a battling fight to show what a great league it is, but the big worldwide brand gets the 3 important points.
Corrupt, corrupt from the bottom to the top.
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According to the rules it was a goal. I’m more angry with mings, how many times has he cost us now.
I'm sorry im not having Mings being blamed for that.
He controlled the ball because the City player was clearly offside.
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Happy to contribute to Dean's fine as he is a fucking prick, no argument from me.
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It’s offside. Simple. They’ll argue black is white that there was something which made the phase of play different and he was therefore on but it’s bollocks. Imagine the other way round and is getting that ?
Think of the ones we've had offside aswell this season, McGinn rocket at Arsenal that was chalked off because Barkley was sort of standing near the keeper and Watkins shoulder offside v West Ham because the defender practically had him in a headlock.
What a load of rubbish when you see a clear offside like that ignored because of a barmy interpretation of the law.
BTW is this the first time we're not bothering with post match thread and just going to slag Moss off. If so excellent.
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Please could someone please explain something, because I've got a Citeh supporting mate (who now lives in New Zealand) messaging me over his Corn Flakes telling me it was the right decision. If Mings had simply caught the ball, which way would the free-kick have gone? For the original off-side offence or the deliberate hand ball?
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It’s not his fault.
He’s got to give the nation what it wants, what the league wants.
Secretly we all want to watch Liverpool and the Manchester clubs fight for the title.
I can’t wait.
But you’re absolutely right, 100%. It’s what the PL want. Little old Villa putting up a battling fight to show what a great league it is, but the big worldwide brand gets the 3 important points.
Corrupt, corrupt from the bottom to the top.
In a game where small margins make huge differences there are still far too many marginal decisions that go in favour of team like Liverpool, Citeh and Yanited. I though VAR would help to level it out by embarassing some of them into correcting their appalling decisions but far from it - because there is no accountability. They can't even use the excuse of pressure from the crowd these days, it just seems to be pure unadulterated and ingrained bias.
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Yep, no post match required. I just want to slag this fat ****** off. Didn't realise he was the Fernandes/Konsa and Arsenal ref. That's just dialled the seethe up to defcon 5
Those 3 decisions against Arsenal, United and City. Says it all really. Strike him off.
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Bizarrely Walton said it was offside at the time then re read the rules and agreed with the VAR! OMG even he didn’t know! Just shocking!!
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If Mings had caught it they would have found a way to give them a penalty and send Mings off
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It’s sort of understandable if the player is coming back but,say,running away from initial path of the play but actively running TO the play is seeking to gain an advantage.End of.If this is the way it is now - then in a similar scenario Ollie just goes off and stands goal side off C\H to nip it off him & we score.
Except you know full well it wouldn’t stand.....
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It’s not his fault.
He’s got to give the nation what it wants, what the league wants.
Secretly we all want to watch Liverpool and the Manchester clubs fight for the title.
I can’t wait.
But you’re absolutely right, 100%. It’s what the PL want. Little old Villa putting up a battling fight to show what a great league it is, but the big worldwide brand gets the 3 important points.
Corrupt, corrupt from the bottom to the top.
This ......which is why I find it difficult to watch games ....shocking officials and the joke that is VAR
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Wanker bloke.
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Peter Walton on BT said it was offside , and then conveniently changed his mind after the FA’s hasty explanation. Rio Ferdinand was adamant it was offside, and although Mings could have cleared it, how on earth can Rodri not be interfering with play?
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Peter Walton on BT said it was offside , and then conveniently changed his mind after the FA’s hasty explanation. Rio Ferdinand was adamant it was offside, and although Mings could have cleared it, how on earth can Rodri not be interfering with play?
And how is he not seeking to gain an advantage?
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Peter Walton on BT said it was offside , and then conveniently changed his mind after the FA’s hasty explanation. Rio Ferdinand was adamant it was offside, and although Mings could have cleared it, how on earth can Rodri not be interfering with play?
And how is he not seeking to gain an advantage?
Thats exactly how Jake Humphrey replied.
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He is but another festering wart on the anus of society (PGMOL).
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I hate that he has a thread on this forum.
He can no longer officiate our matches - simple as. Too many mistakes and a liability to the integrity of the game.
Cease and Desist order sent to the FA, please Villa. At the end of the day, this is a business and he is a jeopardizing the product.
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I don’t think Moss likes us does he?
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Did we ask for Friend not too referee our games any more or did the Premier League realise he was a petty biased ****** against us?
Moss should be given the same treatment, this unfit twat has made so many glaringly biased decisions against us over the past 2 seasons.
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So if Mings leaves the ball, as so many people are saying, the Man City midfielder is clean through on goal. As Michael Owen said after the game, that ridiculous rule will 100% get changed at the next meeting. It’s a joke.
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So if Mings leaves the ball, as so many people are saying, the Man City midfielder is clean through on goal. As Michael Owen said after the game, that ridiculous rule will 100% get changed at the next meeting. It’s a joke.
Changed at our expense with no retribution or apology.
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Similar to last season there. Their second goal was offside, but they VAR checked and gave it.
Later on they admitted it was offside. Oh well, never mind, it’s only us. We’re not a global brand like City.
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I look at it the other way, if the player is in an onside position in front of Mings does Mings try to bring the ball down or just try to get a head on it and get it away?
On top of that I've definitely seen a player lying on the floor in a offside position get up and the ref blow up because he's gone to close the ball down.
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As i sadly forecast on the pre match forum this morning that bastard Moss has cheated us yet again . The bloke like that other useless idiot Friend clearly dislikes us and goes out of his way to either give us nothing and the other side dubious decisions Every game he is in charge of us is the same story People go on about his decisions last season against Arsenal and Man Utd .I can go back even further ,he was the referee who when we played Spurs in the League Cup a few years back was the only bloke in Villa Park who failed to see a spurs defender pull Helenius shorts down as he raced into the area He is also the idiot who failed to give us a penalty against Arsenal in the F A Cup final .It is obvious that Friend is never given a villa game since Palace at the start of last season ,we should put a request in for the same treatment for this fat bastard
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So if Mings leaves the ball, as so many people are saying, the Man City midfielder is clean through on goal. As Michael Owen said after the game, that ridiculous rule will 100% get changed at the next meeting. It’s a joke.
If not other teams will try and copy it.
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Does the stand in lino take some blame?
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Does the stand in lino take some blame?
The Lino on the other side of the pitch should have spotted it as well
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Massive streak of piss.
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"Receives the ball" is the wording, well he didn't receive it, he tackled Mings
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I'm still fuming from Savage creaming his pants after the game.
What an absolute tosser.
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“a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence”
So he was offside because he was “moving towards the ball from an offside position with the intention of playing the ball” by “challenging an opponent for the ball”
Edit: Actually that above rule is to do with players in an offside position being taken out, such as the Pickford VVD one.
Still running towards the ball and tackling someone from an offside position isn’t allowed
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It's farcical.
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They can dress it up all they like, but they know a bollock has been dropped, and we’re the team that suffers on this occasion. I’d just like to see an ounce of humility from the PL every now and again, it might just help.
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I'm still fuming from Savage creaming his pants after the game.
What an absolute tosser.
Savage makes Trump look like a human being
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Does the stand in lino take some blame?
They aren't called linesman now, when you're running the line with Moss its assistant wanker.
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So a toenail can be deemed offside but 10 yards isn’t?
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God i hate this bastard Moss I have just learned that McGinn is now suspended for the Newcastle game Deano is angry about it as he sid it seemed he could'nt get his card out fast enough .Hope the club put in a complaint about this tosser
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I think the motd commentary puts a different perspective on the decision-less that 10 seconds after the goal was scored Guy Mowbray said VAR had said check complete - that gave them no time to even watch a replay of the incident to check 2/3 angles on whether Mings clearly played the ball to bring Rodri into play.
I’m completely convinced that they scrabbled round to match a rule to the incident after the event than knowing they were correct to the letter.
Watching it unfold on BT & Walton’s reaction which was initially it was offside & then u-turned after final whistle, he’d clearly spoken to the PGMOL & fell into line defending his ex-colleagues.
Moss is always appalling, always miles from play guessing outcomes.
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Isn't he a bit old/unfit (physically as well as professionally) to still be a top level ref ?
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Looked in on their bluemoon forum. They've convinced Jon Moss hates them. Someone called him a cheating fat prick. I guess we're all a bit paranoid that refs and officials are out to do us but after him gift wrapping them a win last night I'm baffled by their attacks on him. Oh and apparently the goal was definitely the correct decision and they're amazed that no one seems to understand the offside rules as well as them. Hats off to them for having such an encyclopedic knowledge of the offside rules. Fucking whoppers.
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Thought I might sleep on it and wake with a more balanced, reasonable view of Moss and last night's decision.
Nope, still utterly disgraceful and Moss is a cheating, unfit twat who should never be allowed to referee again.
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I’ve slept on it, and still convinced that jogging to close the ball down from an offside position is interfering with play.
And he was offside.
And that in 99.99% of occasions in football matches across the world, that is given offside.
Their reinterpretation of the rules sets a dangerous precedent, and undermines the game for all.
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I think the motd commentary puts a different perspective on the decision-less that 10 seconds after the goal was scored Guy Mowbray said VAR had said check complete - that gave them no time to even watch a replay of the incident to check 2/3 angles on whether Mings clearly played the ball to bring Rodri into play.
I’m completely convinced that they scrabbled round to match a rule to the incident after the event than knowing they were correct to the letter.
Watching it unfold on BT & Walton’s reaction which was initially it was offside & then u-turned after final whistle, he’d clearly spoken to the PGMOL & fell into line defending his ex-colleagues.
Moss is always appalling, always miles from play guessing outcomes.
this is exactly how I see it Gareth.
UTV
The Doc
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How embarrassing for Walton on BT not to know the rules as a senior referee and supposed expert employed to analyse such controversial decision. He looked mighty embarrassed having to do a u turn.
Clearly offside should have been given. However, Ming’s knew he was there and should have headed or kicked it out
I wonder in the next set of games if any team will try to be clever and copy what Rodri did if the circumstances allow it
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The rule should state clearly that the player coming from an offside position must put himself in an onside position before playing the ball.
As for Moss, he's unfit in more ways than one.
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How embarrassing for Walton on BT not to know the rules as a senior referee and supposed expert employed to analyse such controversial decision. He looked mighty embarrassed having to do a u turn.
Clearly offside should have been given. However, Ming’s knew he was there and should have headed or kicked it out
I wonder in the next set of games if any team will try to be clever and copy what Rodri did if the circumstances allow it
Mings did know he was there according to his tweet. He’s admitted that and that he would have just cleared it if he’d known Rodri could have challenged him from that position. He only tried to take it down because he thought Rodri had to get himself onside - which we know is really the rule.
He was desperately unlucky.
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the explanation they are using to justify the wrong decision is bizare. It applies to backpasses that are played and intercepted by the offside player. Rodri tackled back from an offside position which is not allowed. Totally different thing.
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They could kill this by saying they got it wrong, but no, in the best example of trumpism they’ll just keep digging...
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Much of this is to do with the new rules around linesmen not flagging straight away. Had the flag gone up the minute the header back was made, then there’s no debate, he’s a mile off. It’s a farce.
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Much of this is to do with the new rules around linesmen not flagging straight away. Had the flag gone up the minute the header back was made, then there’s no debate, he’s a mile off. It’s a farce.
Yes this new linesman (sorry - Assistant Referee) edict makes you wonder what is the point of having them in matches played with VAR?
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Up there with Kevin Friend for being an officious, look at me, useless, wanker of a ref.
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I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.
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I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.
I may be wrong but isn’t Elleray in charge of VAR?
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I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.
I may be wrong but isn’t Elleray in charge of VAR?
I thought it was Neil Swarbrick.
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I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.
I may be wrong but isn’t Elleray in charge of VAR?
I thought it was Neil Swarbrick.
Ray Charles isn’t it?
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Useless twat. At least we won't have him for games for a good while after that shit show.
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We’ve not Kevin Friend since the Palace debacle so I hope you’re right, still plenty more incompetent imbeciles where these robbing bastards are concerned though. I’m utterly over this biased, corrupt shit show that is VAR.
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I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.
I may be wrong but isn’t Elleray in charge of VAR?
I thought it was Neil Swarbrick.
Think you’re correct Exeter but Elleray has got some involvement
“David Elleray has admitted VAR has “had an impact on the flow of the game” but says that will have to be accepted as the game prioritises getting the “right decision”.
The former referee, in his role as the technical director of the rule-making International Football Association Board (Ifab), has been at the heart of developing VAR as an aid to referees in eliminating “clear and obvious errors” from the game.”
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Fat Bastard. Elleray can go to fuck as well, something went wrong with that ones upbringing.
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If Mings had simply caught the ball, which way would the free-kick have gone? For the original off-side offence or the deliberate hand ball?
Hand ball against Mings and rightly so as the City player was not interfering with play. I think how the real events din pan out, he certainly interfered with play.
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I slept on in and I'm angrier now then last night. We live in an age where the linesman is told not to put up their flag early because of VAR. We had a scenario last night where there was a clear offside but no flag went up and it led to a goal. The ref (who is 100% culpable for this in my view) gives the goal as there is no flag. VAR hides behind a draconian law to not overturn the original decision in what seemed like seconds.
I'm not pardoning Mings in any of this as he didn't defend it well at all but there is no way he could have let that go though and by playing it, he brought a clearly offside player into play. As everyone has said, why doesn't every striker play 10 yards behind the back line?
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I don’t like him
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If Mings had caught the ball ,you can be sure Moss would have had his red card out within seconds like he did with Deano
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I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.
I may be wrong but isn’t Elleray in charge of VAR?
I think you may be right - which would explain a lot - he was the pioneer of anti-Villa outrageous decisions. Every bleeding time.
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Don't understand why Boy George was in love with him.
He's a fat Celine Dion
A Karma Chamelion
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Hes James Milner ex PE teacher. And he sent him off for Liverpool
How dare he do that to Milner!
Who cares if he sends a Liverpool player off?
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I never thought I would yearn for the 'halcyon' days of David Elleray.
I never thought it would happen
With me and that Jamie Clapham
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Don't understand why Boy George was in love with him.
He's a fat Celine Dion
A Karma Chamelion
Someone say Celine Dion ? its all coming back to me or in this case the balls coming back to me
But when you touch the ball like this
And Mings plays it like that
I just have to admit
Cant believe the balls coming back to Rhodri
When Mings touches it like this
And Mings holds it like that
It's so hard to believe but
The balls coming back to Rhodri
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Very good!
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Oh yes David Elleray another idiot who among his many gaffs gave a Small Heath a goal that should never have been because he thought he saw Enkelman touch the ball from Melbergs throw in
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Very good!
My Heart will go on.
Every night in My dreams
I see no goal I feel no goal
I don't understand why Moss says the play can go on
Far across the distance
Mings and Rhodri no spaces between us?
Moss has allowed play to go on
Near, far, with no check of VAR
He believes that the play can go on
Once more, in the offside corridor
And VAR in his ear its a laugh
And Dean curses you got it wrong oh Jon oh Jon
Moss gets it wrong most of the time
And his decisions last a lifetime
And i'll never it let go 'til he's gone
Smith quite rightly told you that you're just an unfit old mule
In my life, your decision will always be wrong
In Mosses ear, theres something I fear
And I know that his decisions will go wrong
He'll stay forever this way
You aren't welcome at Villa Park
And its a farce that he gets to ref on and on
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What the fuck have I just read?
Why the fuck did I read it in a Celine Dion voice?
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Happy to contribute to Dean's fine as he is a fucking prick, no argument from me.
There are more important things going on (cf https://twitter.com/purpletrousers/status/1349977200024580097?s=21) but it would be slightly amusing if he got the fine covered by hundreds of thousands of football fans sick of VAR/silly rules ruining the game, each putting no more than £1 in and signing a petition calling for common sense at the same time. It feels like it’s time there was a bit of a response. If anyone fancied organising like.
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Don't the fines go to charity anyway? So it's a win win!
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"Receives the ball" is the wording, well he didn't receive it, he tackled Mings
Absolutely. If they are playing ‘letter of the law’ rather than spirit of the game, than surely *receiving* wording is imperative, and is relevant to:
the explanation they are using to justify the wrong decision is bizare. It applies to backpasses that are played and intercepted by the offside player. Rodri tackled back from an offside position which is not allowed. Totally different thing.
Add in
Much of this is to do with the new rules around linesmen not flagging straight away. Had the flag gone up the minute the header back was made, then there’s no debate, he’s a mile off. It’s a farce.
You can’t argue with Deano’s analysis.
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It's becoming pretty obvious now that the laws of the game are being changed on the hoof when a top 6 team is involved. Since time began that would be deemed offside. Now its a grey area. Jesus. All season long we've been the victims of dubious or downright wrong VAR decisions and just rank bad refereeing. I was absolutely fuming after that United penalty and last night was just as bad. Deano needs to start screaming from the rooftops about the refereeing and demand they're never in charge of a Villa game again. Of course they won't listen, but it will focus attention on the ridiculous amount of wrong decisions we've been and will continue to be on the wrong end of. It's becoming comical now.
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"Receives the ball" is the wording, well he didn't receive it, he tackled Mings
Absolutely. If they are playing ‘letter of the law’ rather than spirit of the game, than surely *receiving* wording is imperative, and is relevant to:
the explanation they are using to justify the wrong decision is bizare. It applies to backpasses that are played and intercepted by the offside player. Rodri tackled back from an offside position which is not allowed. Totally different thing.
Add in
Much of this is to do with the new rules around linesmen not flagging straight away. Had the flag gone up the minute the header back was made, then there’s no debate, he’s a mile off. It’s a farce.
You can’t argue with Deano’s analysis.
Oh you can. You are right in agreeing with his sentiments but we should have been aware of the rules as it stands.
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Which rules? There are 3-4 posts on here pointing out the other offside rules and how they contradict what the refs are all coming out with today.
What would be really useful now would be for someone to explain why, in this case, that rule was applied and not the other one.
As far as I can tell it comes down to a fraction of a second decision on whether Mings was in control of the ball when Rodri tackled him. If you watch it carefully the ball hasn't even got to the floor when Rodri challenges for it so Mings is, in my opinion, still in the process of controlling it and a ref with any degree of understanding about playing the game and who isn't a fat t**t blows up immediately because it's clear that Rodri gained an advantage from being offside.
I'm absolutely certain that an club employed ref (as you proposed elsewhere) who went through the rules with the club would never have even considered bringing up a situation like this as something to be wary of. If this very specific interpretation of the rule was well known we'd have seen goals like this before.
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The rules are bollocks. You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.
Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside
How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?
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Very good!
Look what you've done now :'(
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Surprise Surprise Deano has been charged while the idiot who caused the trouble is protected and no action is taken against I am falling out of love the game i have watched all my life
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Very good!
Look what you've done now :'(
Ref cocks up Waves play on
Smith fought the law and the laws wrong
Smith fought the law and the law wrong
Where was the flag there was none?
Smith fought the law and the law wrong
Smith fought the law and the law wrong
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I concur, Footy.
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The amazing reach of Jon Moss, walking down the Main Street ,of the small Australia town ,where I live I started talking a Vietnamese lad wearing a PSG shirt, when he heard I supported the Villa, he said did you see that goal last night never a goal
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Wanker. (moss I mean.)
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The rules are bollocks. You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.
Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside
How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?
Having read and re-read the full offside law several times I don't actually see a problem with it. The problem is that Moss got it wrong and the PL have tried to justify it by referring to the bit of the rule that covers a player "receiving" the ball. This was obviously put in to distinguish between mis-hit kicks that go to an offside attacker or interceptions of back passes (both onside), as opposed to deflections which would not play the attacker onside. Hence the use of the word "deliberately".
That scenario is completely different to this incident. There was no deliberate attempt at a back pass or a miskick that meant Rodri "received" the ball. He went and got the ball by challenging Mings for it. There is another part of the law that specifically says such a challenge is deemed gaining an advantage and is therefore offside.
Long and short of it, Moss fucked up (again) PL trying to cover his arse, pundits and many fans buying it as "the letter of the law" , but in this situation it simply isn't.
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Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
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The rules are bollocks. You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.
Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside
How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?
Having read and re-read the full offside law several times I don't actually see a problem with it. The problem is that Moss got it wrong and the PL have tried to justify it by referring to the bit of the rule that covers a player "receiving" the ball. This was obviously put in to distinguish between mis-hit kicks that go to an offside attacker or interceptions of back passes (both onside), as opposed to deflections which would not play the attacker onside. Hence the use of the word "deliberately".
That scenario is completely different to this incident. There was no deliberate attempt at a back pass or a miskick that meant Rodri "received" the ball. He went and got the ball by challenging Mings for it. There is another part of the law that specifically says such a challenge is deemed gaining an advantage and is therefore offside.
Long and short of it, Moss fucked up (again) PL trying to cover his arse, pundits and many fans buying it as "the letter of the law" , but in this situation it simply isn't.
Yes that's right. The 'defender playing the ball' clearly means that if Mings chests the ball down, controls it, and attempts to pass it to Konsa, but gives it to Rodri instead, then Rodri isn't offside and can freely and correctly try to score. What Rodri can't do, is try to tackle the player with the ball when coming back from an offside position. Which is EXACTLY what happened in our game.
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The rules are bollocks. You can't say that a "new phase" resets if a defender touches the ball, AND have the rule say that the attacking player becomes offside if he attempts a tackle.
Defender gets ball - not offside
Attacker tackles somebody - offside
How can he tackle somebody who hasn't got the ball?
Having read and re-read the full offside law several times I don't actually see a problem with it. The problem is that Moss got it wrong and the PL have tried to justify it by referring to the bit of the rule that covers a player "receiving" the ball. This was obviously put in to distinguish between mis-hit kicks that go to an offside attacker or interceptions of back passes (both onside), as opposed to deflections which would not play the attacker onside. Hence the use of the word "deliberately".
That scenario is completely different to this incident. There was no deliberate attempt at a back pass or a miskick that meant Rodri "received" the ball. He went and got the ball by challenging Mings for it. There is another part of the law that specifically says such a challenge is deemed gaining an advantage and is therefore offside.
Long and short of it, Moss fucked up (again) PL trying to cover his arse, pundits and many fans buying it as "the letter of the law" , but in this situation it simply isn't.
That's a very good summary of Wednesday's events.
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Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.
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Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.
Yeah, we don't want loads of unfair decisions to start going against us when we play the 'big clubs'.
Oh.
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Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.
The creation of PGMOL is an absoloute disgrace, they are like a Mafia organisation and seem able to operate above the law.
I still believe Smith has to stand up with the full support of the club.
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Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.
Yeah, we don't want loads of unfair decisions to start going against us when we play the 'big clubs'.
Oh.
I wanted to highlight the word really but can't do it on my phone.
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Keith Hackett former referees chief is calling Jon Moss arrogant for the way he dealt with Dean Smith's red card. He said "I don't know why he was even over there right in front of Dean Smith. It was as if to say look at me" "The third office could of dealt with it. That's what he's there for"
I'm starting to loathe Jon Moss.
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Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.
Whatever the wrongs and wrongs of the actual offside decision, that has no bearing on his insult to Moss. Managers and players know you can't insult the ref, so while Moss may be a fat, corrupt, useless, fat, corrupt, clown shoe wearing, fat, corrupt imbecile, you just can't say as such. It'll probably be the best £20K or whatever that Dean ever spends though.
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God help Moss if he comes back to VP with fans back!
Love to have him running the line in front of us.
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At what age do they have to retire? He's 50 now (stone as well by the look of him).
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Be interesting to see who Deano takes into his "hearing".
Hopefully top sports lawyer.
That sounds like a top idea but it won't happen for fear of him pissing off PGMOL who would then really have it in for him and us.It reminds me of the American legal system where an innocent person is advised to plead guilty to avoid a much harsher sentence. I said in an earlier post that I'm amazed that clubs with the kind of financial muscle that we have allow these people to damage their assets (sorry I can't think of a better way to describe it) with impunity.
Whatever the wrongs and wrongs of the actual offside decision, that has no bearing on his insult to Moss. Managers and players know you can't insult the ref, so while Moss may be a fat, corrupt, useless, fat, corrupt, clown shoe wearing, fat, corrupt imbecile, you just can't say as such. It'll probably be the best £20K or whatever that Dean ever spends though.
True Risso but that's the core of the problem. Refs can be as useless, fat, incompetent, fat, blind, fat, biased and thick and fat and did I mention fat as they like and nothing is said or done. But when someone affected has the temerity to point it out to them it's bringing the game into disrepute. It's basically a police state approach. Until there is some form of proper accountability and transparency for the pish performances of officials, then it will continue to be a problem. In the meantime hopefully Moss will be Kevin Unfriended and won't be allowed to ref us again.
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Moss looks and acts like our old fat friend Phil Dowd who also use to go out of his way to give bad decisions against us and make his own rules up like against United in the League Cup Final Dowd was forced to retire as he failed the fitness teat all referees have to take ,how Moss passed the test amazes me
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Look forward to seeing Moss officiating in front of a packed Villa Park
Imagine seeing all those juggling balls rather than cabbages
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He's up there with the best Rennie, clappenburg, friend. I do generally feel sorry for officials in most sports who the fuc would want to do that but the likes of Jon Moss are more like the sneaky traffic warden or the TV licence enforcer.
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I don’t think Moss will be struck off from reffing our games as the PGMOL don’t think there was any error made, they believe it was correct. Friend on the other hand was in the wrong and they provided no defence whatsoever.
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Friends penalty call today 🤣🤣🤣
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At what age do they have to retire? He's 50 now (stone as well by the look of him).
he doesn't look fit enough to keep up with the play - and if he's puffing and panting and feels like he's about to have a heart attack, then it means he probably can't concentrate on the play enough to make good decisions.
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So with today's 'clarification' of the offside rule showing this cheating cock womble for what he is.
This bag of skin surely cannot be allowed to referee another Villa game.
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It did not matter how many versions of the event they came up with, it shows Moss is a cheating scumbag.
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Will Dean’s ban and fine be rescinded too? An apology by any chance? Will dick splash Dermot come out on Monday and admit the referees union got it wrong? Will they fuck.
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So with today's 'clarification' of the offside rule showing this cheating cock womble for what he is.
This bag of skin surely cannot be allowed to referee another Villa game.
Where is this to read?
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Offside thread.
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He was waddling around the pitch in the Spurs/Wycombe game last night.
He seemed very pally and jokey with the Spurs players.
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I'm even more pissed off now than I was at the time.
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It’s just hard to fathom how three officials on the pitch, the fourth official and the VAR people could have looked at it and not come to same conclusion as our players, manager, their manager, the pundits with the ref in the studio and all who watched it. Didn’t one of them say to the other, that’s offside?
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For serial cheats like Moss, what happened against Citeh was just another day at the office.
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Have we received an apology yet?
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Moss' decision against us was clearly wrong. We all knew it from the start. The explanations that followed and the not checking our goal against Newcastle all seemed to be a ridiculous charade to defend him at all costs. It was embarrassing to be frank.
But why are people calling him a cheat? Do people honestly think he would want to put his reputation and career on the line because of some perceived dislike of our club?
It's more like he felt he knew the rules and just wanted to show everybody he knew best - pure arrogance. The PGMOL's defence of him played right into his hands and of course it's only because they realised the confusion that they were creating was going to cause chaos that they've now backtracked. It could have all been avoided with some common sense on the night either by Moss himself, the fourth official, the VAR official or PGMOL after the event. This defending of refs at all costs has to stop.
But with that said, I believe Moss is arrogant and arguably incompetent. But a cheat? I don't think so.
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Moss' decision against us was clearly wrong. We all knew it from the start. The explanations that followed and the not checking our goal against Newcastle all seemed to be a ridiculous charade to defend him at all costs. It was embarrassing to be frank.
But why are people calling him a cheat? Do people honestly think he would want to put his reputation and career on the line because of some perceived dislike of our club?
It's more like he felt he knew the rules and just wanted to show everybody he knew best - pure arrogance. The PGMOL's defence of him played right into his hands and of course it's only because they realised the confusion that they were creating was going to cause chaos that they've now backtracked. It could have all been avoided with some common sense on the night either by Moss himself, the fourth official, the VAR official or PGMOL after the event. This defending of refs at all costs has to stop.
But with that said, I believe Moss is arrogant and arguably incompetent. But a cheat? I don't think so.
It's not cheating, it's institutional bias. To change it, they would first need to acknowledge it, which they won't, and then they'd need to look at changing their whole approach, which they won't.
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I'm calling him a cheat because it's far from the first time he's fucked us with blatantly dodgy decisions.
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It is cheating if a wrong decision is made knowingly. Whether the motivation is malicious or negligent, premeditated or spontaneous it is still cheating. If you steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving child or to feed the pigeons, it is still the theft of a loaf of bread.
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He isn’t a cheat but PGMOL open him up for those accusations when rather than admit an obvious error they invent a smokescreen pretending it wasn’t an error.
Hopeless referee 100%, cheat not in the slightest
Anyway, thoughts are with him tonight as believe he is VAR for Spurs v Liverpool and they’ve interrupted his Deliveroos with 2/3 VAR checks
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When you dread to find out who the ref is, and he then proceeds to confirm your feelings in virtually every game he officiates, I know what I call it...
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Kevin Friend is just as useless/bent.
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I agree.
There a number of poor refs in the prem -and elsewhere!- but those two stand out for the wrong reasons, and have done on too many occasions.
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Moss is an arrogant wanker who knows that he’s untouchable, so has carte blanche to operate to his own agenda, which is basically to be the star of the show. He won’t change, so all we can do is look forward to the day he retires, although knowing our luck he’ll probably supersede Mike Riley.