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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2021, 08:13:40 PM
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Seems to be a bit in there now that Percy has jumped in on the act. Fee of €15m being discussed. Not agreed yet, but seems to be getting closer
https://twitter.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1351249950550749184?s=21
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A signing thread started by Toronto Villa always ends well.
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Has anyone got the Telegraph article that he links to. I'm blocked by a paywall.
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A signing thread started by Toronto Villa always ends well.
He has Watkins, Wesley, Guilbert, Kalinic to his name.
Ads very impressively has McGinn, Cash, Targett.
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A signing thread started by Toronto Villa always ends well.
Yep. Emi Martinez, Ezri Konsa, Wesley all signed successfully.
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He sounds like a character from Games of Thrones.
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We'll open this one again when it's a bit more likely.
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Could be a good one this. Telegraph reporting we are in talks. And below £18m.
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LOL
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Bit premature to have own thread or is there any ITK ?
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What’s happened here? Where’s your version TV? Is Kippaxvilla2 jinxing this transfer?
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Are there any good midfielders named Delilah we could bring in to play alongside him?
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Are there any good midfielders named Delilah we could bring in to play alongside him?
What about Mmmmbopppé?
I'll get my coat.
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If we are going to have a thread on this possible signing please remove Kenny from the title. It's not even close and we don't need to doff our hat in the direction for former Palace fullback.
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I might go and start another one.
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Revived as it looks a goer.
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I see the killing of rebellious thread starters has worked.
Sounds good.
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Aston Villa to complete £14m signing of Marseille midfielder Morgan Sanson next week
Sanson, 26, is expected to complete his move before Villa’s Premier League game at Burnley on Wednesday night
By John Percy and Jason Burt, CHIEF FOOTBALL CORRESPONDENT
23 January 2021 • 12:25pm
Aston Villa are poised for complete the £14 million signing of Marseille midfielder Morgan Sanson next week.
Villa have agreed a fee with the Ligue 1 club and Sanson is set to become Dean Smith’s first signing of the January transfer window.
A deal is now understood to be very close and Sanson is expected to complete his move before Villa’s Premier League game at Burnley on Wednesday night.
Sanson, 26, has been a target for Villa for 18 months but the club have stepped up their interest after it emerged Marseille were open to offers due to the impact of Covid-19 and the French TV deal on their finances.
Villa’s initial offer was turned down last week but an improved proposal worth around £14m has been accepted.
Smith said last week: "I think I’ve always said that this is going to be a quiet window for us. Our plans are already looking forward to the summer window and what we’re going to do there.
"But we’re never going to turn our noses up at a good value deal to bring a player in. There’s the possibility of some outs as well."
Villa are in league action on Saturday night with a home game against Newcastle.
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Can't say I've ever heard of him but it's good to see they're not settled with what they've already got. It'll be interesting to see where he fits in
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He sounds like a character from Games of Thrones.
I thought it sounded like a solicitors firm.
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It will be interesting to see what they do in the summer too going by Smith's comments.
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He sounds like a character from Games of Thrones.
I thought it sounded like a solicitors firm.
I keep thinking of Morgan Stanley when I see his name.
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A signing thread started by Toronto Villa always ends well.
Yep. Emi Martinez, Ezri Konsa, Wesley all signed successfully.
And others haven't. I don't see the point in starting a thread before a signing is more or less certain. You just get people's hopes up, then they end up disappointed. I remember seeing a Rashica thread on here, can't remember if it was you that started it. But I was excited thinking about him signing only to see it was just someone being premature. Again.
Still, with Sanson, a fee has been agreed so seems entirely reasonable to have a thread now, though. Hope it all goes through smoothly.
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A signing thread started by Toronto Villa always ends well.
Yep. Emi Martinez, Ezri Konsa, Wesley all signed successfully.
And others haven't. I don't see the point in starting a thread before a signing is more or less certain. You just get people's hopes up, then they end up disappointed. I remember seeing a Rashica thread on here, can't remember if it was you that started it. But I was excited thinking about him signing only to see it was just someone being premature. Again.
Still, with Sanson, a fee has been agreed so seems entirely reasonable to have a thread now, though. Hope it all goes through smoothly.
Good grief don’t take it so seriously. Hopes? Are people really so fragile?
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I've asked nicely before. It doesn't hurt to wait until it's more or less a done deal, does it? Why would you choose to get people's hopes up?
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I don't see the harm in it. It's not as if Messi is being linked.
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4.5 year deal agreed, just waiting on a visa.
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I thought that's why we had the '- signed' addendum when the player is ITSOTP?
Either way this does sound like a goer. Anyone know much about him? Attacking? Defensive? Passer? Enforcer? Related to Kenny?
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Pretty good signing I think.
Mid 20s, played for big club in european competition for a few seasons and will give us more options to rotate in midfield from now on.
As much as we all love SJM I thought his passing was really poor in midweek and not for the first time against a top 6 team. We also can't be certain Doug will still be here in six months time so feel this is also insurance as he can play DM even if he's more box to box in style.
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I don't see the harm in it. It's not as if Messi is being linked.
Correct. Plus I didn’t say it because it was reported on some random website. Percy generally only involves himself in transfers when he’s pretty sure.
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A signing thread started by Toronto Villa always ends well.
Yep. Emi Martinez, Ezri Konsa, Wesley all signed successfully.
And others haven't. I don't see the point in starting a thread before a signing is more or less certain. You just get people's hopes up, then they end up disappointed. I remember seeing a Rashica thread on here, can't remember if it was you that started it. But I was excited thinking about him signing only to see it was just someone being premature. Again.
Still, with Sanson, a fee has been agreed so seems entirely reasonable to have a thread now, though. Hope it all goes through smoothly.
Was said in one of the twitter reports last week that player had already agreed terms with us so just a question of agreeing fee with club so it's as good as done.
Only issue now is does he have to quarantine or do sports players get exemptions if they provide negative test coming in.
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I've asked nicely before. It doesn't hurt to wait until it's more or less a done deal, does it? Why would you choose to get people's hopes up?
The way it's been done for the last two decades is that if there is something tangible to discuss, thus setting it apart from the general "we should sign x" content of the main transfer thread then they get their own topic.
We have a lot more readers than posters, and many of them don't go near the transfer thread - so given the site is a news resource as well as a discussion forum, confirmed interest in a player is news, even if we don't eventually sign them.
We never signed Joe Bryan, but there was quite obviously more to talk about than the "we should sign this bloke or that bloke" stuff.
I mean, if Jon Moss or Rod Liddle have their own threads, you'd think that a guy we're trying to spend millions of pounds on is probably deserving of one, no?
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I've seen a bit of analysis of him doing the rounds and He likes to press and win tackles high up the pitch. Wins twice as many as John McGinn but obviously in a less competitive League. He is very energetic and good at carrying the ball so He seems a player that would probably compete with McGinn and Louis but could also play in Barclays role.
Looks very useful
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I've seen a bit of analysis of him doing the rounds and He likes to press and win tackles high up the pitch. Wins twice as many as John McGinn but obviously in a less competitive League. He is very energetic and good at carrying the ball so He seems a player that would probably compete with McGinn and Louis but could also play in Barclays role.
Looks very useful
With him and McGinn in the team there would be no rest for the wicked.
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This is a pretty decent analysis.
Obligatory YouTube package
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I've asked nicely before. It doesn't hurt to wait until it's more or less a done deal, does it? Why would you choose to get people's hopes up?
The way it's been done for the last two decades is that if there is something tangible to discuss, thus setting it apart from the general "we should sign x" content of the main transfer thread then they get their own topic.
We have a lot more readers than posters, and many of them don't go near the transfer thread - so given the site is a news resource as well as a discussion forum, confirmed interest in a player is news, even if we don't eventually sign them.
We never signed Joe Bryan, but there was quite obviously more to talk about than the "we should sign this bloke or that bloke" stuff.
I mean, if Jon Moss or Rod Liddle have their own threads, you'd think that a guy we're trying to spend millions of pounds on is probably deserving of one, no?
If I say a thread about Rod Liddell I don't think we are going to sign someone and raise my hopes.
Transfer thread = speculation.
Individual thread = signing looks more or less certain.
Individual thread with name title amended to say "signed" = confirmed.
I don't see what is wrong with that. Seems like Head Mod agreed with me... for a change 😄
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Well I feel embarrassed and humiliated that my thread was deleted initially. Either that or I didn’t give it that much thought in the scheme of things....
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I don't see the harm in it. It's not as if Messi is being linked.
This is how rumours start!
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Seems like Head Mod agreed with me... for a change 😄
I don't think that Lizz has made any comment on the matter.
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Interesting stuff TV. It does seem like a lot of our focus has been on becoming really unpleasant to play against. Not in a thuggish Burnleyesque way - just that we give our opponents thoroughly unenjoyable afternoons.
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I've asked nicely before. It doesn't hurt to wait until it's more or less a done deal, does it? Why would you choose to get people's hopes up?
The way it's been done for the last two decades is that if there is something tangible to discuss, thus setting it apart from the general "we should sign x" content of the main transfer thread then they get their own topic.
We have a lot more readers than posters, and many of them don't go near the transfer thread - so given the site is a news resource as well as a discussion forum, confirmed interest in a player is news, even if we don't eventually sign them.
We never signed Joe Bryan, but there was quite obviously more to talk about than the "we should sign this bloke or that bloke" stuff.
I mean, if Jon Moss or Rod Liddle have their own threads, you'd think that a guy we're trying to spend millions of pounds on is probably deserving of one, no?
If I say a thread about Rod Liddell I don't think we are going to sign someone and raise my hopes.
Transfer thread = speculation.
Individual thread = signing looks more or less certain.
Individual thread with name title amended to say "signed" = confirmed.
I don't see what is wrong with that. Seems like Head Mod agreed with me... for a change 😄
Head Mod
I always thought that was Ace Face
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Can't say I've ever heard of him but it's good to see they're not settled with what they've already got. It'll be interesting to see where he fits in
Well judging by this I think he's being lined up for the Barkley role, long term. I doubt we'll sign Barkley, Chelsea will want far too much, which is a shame.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/football/no-bruno-no-problem-why-marseille-s-morgan-sanson-could-be-the-answer-to-manchester-united-s-midfield-woes
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Interesting stuff TV. It does seem like a lot of our focus has been on becoming really unpleasant to play against. Not in a thuggish Burnleyesque way - just that we give our opponents thoroughly unenjoyable afternoons.
It appears pressing and not allowing opponents time on the all is being made a priority. From Ollie up top through the line up. Also having more players like that is never a bad thing to give our other midfielder a break.
The great Barcelona teams always had that. Iniesta and Xavi were brilliant at it. You don’t need to be some big brute enforcer, but a player with the work ethic to close opponent players down quickly. I remember it also being said about the great Liverpool teams where it was said Ian Rush, as great a striker as he was, was also the first defender when they lost the ball high up the pitch. It’s a critical component of any team aspiring to reach the top.
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Can't say I've ever heard of him but it's good to see they're not settled with what they've already got. It'll be interesting to see where he fits in
Well judging by this I think he's being lined up for the Barkley role, long term. I doubt we'll sign Barkley, Chelsea will want far too much, which is a shame.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/football/no-bruno-no-problem-why-marseille-s-morgan-sanson-could-be-the-answer-to-manchester-united-s-midfield-woes
He's not a number 10. He's an option for Douglas and McGinn.
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I’ve never heard of him but he looks okay on the Vids
Being a French international (u21) he’s bound to have good technique and a good first touch
add to that his work rate looks very good pressing in particular
So hopefully the recruitment team have got another one right
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Can't say I've ever heard of him but it's good to see they're not settled with what they've already got. It'll be interesting to see where he fits in
Well judging by this I think he's being lined up for the Barkley role, long term. I doubt we'll sign Barkley, Chelsea will want far too much, which is a shame.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/football/no-bruno-no-problem-why-marseille-s-morgan-sanson-could-be-the-answer-to-manchester-united-s-midfield-woes
At some point we are going to have to pay the inflated fees demanded for the type of player needed to improve us, I could see Barkley being the first.
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Head Mod = Percy surely?
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Well I feel embarrassed and humiliated that my thread was deleted initially. Either that or I didn’t give it that much thought in the scheme of things....
I am sorry but with these contrite character traits you are totally unsuitable for any position of responsibility within the current Government. Please feel free to apply again in the future when you have removed such obvious strengths.
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Very much enjoying this improving from a position of strength lark. Compare and contrast to last January when we were frantically rummaging through the bargain bin.
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Very much enjoying this improving from a position of strength lark.
I genuinely struggling to remember the last time we actually did that. O'Neill adding Downing to Young and Milner?
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Very much enjoying this improving from a position of strength lark.
I genuinely struggling to remember the last time we actually did that. O'Neill adding Downing to Young and Milner?
I think you’re right, struggling to remember another more recent one which tells its own story. Long may it continue.
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Downing played in the middle for us, to start with, didn't he? So could have been seen as a Barry replacement rather than adding from a position of strength. I may have got my years mixed up, though.
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Vaguely remember we signed him injured and when he came in (Burnley away?) we had Young & Barry in the team but then I could very well be wrong.
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I like the look of him. I can see us going back to the 2 8's thing again at times and if we do him and McGinn just ahead of Luiz would give us loads of energy in midfield and, being a genuine 3 in there, would mean they could offer more support to the fullbacks so we could keep the wingers higher up the pitch which I think Smith wants to do. I don't see him as a replacement for anyone but more an option that gives us a viable alternative to change our shape. These are the sort of players we should be looking for now, keep the work ethic that is so important to our style but give us versatility.
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Very much enjoying this improving from a position of strength lark.
I genuinely struggling to remember the last time we actually did that. O'Neill adding Downing to Young and Milner?
It's a good point. We started that this summer with acquisition of Cash, despite the more than adequate Guilbert. Now we're spending the thick end of £20m on a player who's not guaranteed a starting spot, a bit like we did with Traore. Still a bit worried that we're very weak at left back and up front in terms of back up.
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Vaguely remember we signed him injured and when he came in (Burnley away?) we had Young & Barry in the team but then I could very well be wrong.
I think Downing had a broken foot/toe received from a certain Mr Petrov in a match up at the Riverside a few weeks earlier. He was certainly injured when we signed him.
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Downing played in the middle for us, to start with, didn't he? So could have been seen as a Barry replacement rather than adding from a position of strength. I may have got my years mixed up, though.
Wasn't it that we'd been playing Milner and Young wide, and adding Downing was the thing that allowed Milner to move into the middle?
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Summer 2001 probably. We already had Vassell, Dublin and JPA and signed Balaban. Endless midfield players who could play wide and signed Kachoul and Hadji.
Those three worked out well!
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January 2020 we added Danny Drinkwater.
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who was the other guy we got from Swansea on loan in January and played about three minutes?
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who was the other guy we got from Swansea on loan in January and played about three minutes?
Tom Carroll? Or something like that?
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who was the other guy we got from Swansea on loan in January and played about three minutes?
Which one?
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who was the other guy we got from Swansea on loan in January and played about three minutes?
Which one?
Borja Baston? He played two games.
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Downing played in the middle for us, to start with, didn't he? So could have been seen as a Barry replacement rather than adding from a position of strength. I may have got my years mixed up, though.
Wasn't it that we'd been playing Milner and Young wide, and adding Downing was the thing that allowed Milner to move into the middle?
Maybe. But I'm sure I remember Downing playing in the middle for a bit. Maybe after Milner went and when Albrighton had come through to play opposite wing to Young? Either way, I think I was wrong about him replacing Barry.
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Last January was an extremely strange window.
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Downing played in the middle for us, to start with, didn't he? So could have been seen as a Barry replacement rather than adding from a position of strength. I may have got my years mixed up, though.
Think Downing played in the middle under Houllier
Wasn't it that we'd been playing Milner and Young wide, and adding Downing was the thing that allowed Milner to move into the middle?
Maybe. But I'm sure I remember Downing playing in the middle for a bit. Maybe after Milner went and when Albrighton had come through to play opposite wing to Young? Either way, I think I was wrong about him replacing Barry.
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Downing played in the middle for us, to start with, didn't he? So could have been seen as a Barry replacement rather than adding from a position of strength. I may have got my years mixed up, though.
Wasn't it that we'd been playing Milner and Young wide, and adding Downing was the thing that allowed Milner to move into the middle?
Maybe. But I'm sure I remember Downing playing in the middle for a bit. Maybe after Milner went and when Albrighton had come through to play opposite wing to Young? Either way, I think I was wrong about him replacing Barry.
Try again. I think Downing played in the middle under Houllier
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Last January was an extremely strange window.
I get the impression that we blew our entire transfer budget/FFP allocation in the summer (probably though necessity) and were hamstrung by that in to getting basically free transfers. We only spent £80m or so this summer, which presumably has given us a bit more room to buy pictures now. Plus we haven't needed to replace a striker and keeper at short notice.
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January 2020 we added Danny Drinkwater.
You can lead a horse to water but we couldn't make Danny play football competently.
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Downing played in the middle for us, to start with, didn't he? So could have been seen as a Barry replacement rather than adding from a position of strength. I may have got my years mixed up, though.
Wasn't it that we'd been playing Milner and Young wide, and adding Downing was the thing that allowed Milner to move into the middle?
Maybe. But I'm sure I remember Downing playing in the middle for a bit. Maybe after Milner went and when Albrighton had come through to play opposite wing to Young? Either way, I think I was wrong about him replacing Barry.
Try again. I think Downing played in the middle under Houllier
He did for the Man City game where Darren Bent made his debut and scored.
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Last January was an extremely strange window.
I get the impression that we blew our entire transfer budget/FFP allocation in the summer (probably though necessity) and were hamstrung by that in to getting basically free transfers. We only spent £80m or so this summer, which presumably has given us a bit more room to buy pictures now. Plus we haven't needed to replace a striker and keeper at short notice.
We weren't assured of safety last Jan. I think FFP would have doe for us if we'd splashed out. This year we're fine and it's not such a gamble to spend.
Remember Hourihane is out on loan so this is a replacement.
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Last January was an extremely strange window.
I get the impression that we blew our entire transfer budget/FFP allocation in the summer (probably though necessity) and were hamstrung by that in to getting basically free transfers. We only spent £80m or so this summer, which presumably has given us a bit more room to buy pictures now. Plus we haven't needed to replace a striker and keeper at short notice.
We weren't assured of safety last Jan. I think FFP would have doe for us if we'd splashed out. This year we're fine and it's not such a gamble to spend.
Remember Hourihane is out on loan so this is a replacement.
Don't forget that we had 2 key players pick up season ending injuries on new years day with another already ruled out for 4-5 months a week or so earlier. The window became all about filling the gaps left by Heaton, Wesley and McGinn with almost no notice on top of needing a backup striker. Doing that with very little spare money (because of FFP) and in the midst of a relegation battle was totally different to the circumstances this time.
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Last January was an extremely strange window.
I get the impression that we blew our entire transfer budget/FFP allocation in the summer (probably though necessity) and were hamstrung by that in to getting basically free transfers. We only spent £80m or so this summer, which presumably has given us a bit more room to buy pictures now. Plus we haven't needed to replace a striker and keeper at short notice.
We weren't assured of safety last Jan. I think FFP would have doe for us if we'd splashed out. This year we're fine and it's not such a gamble to spend.
Remember Hourihane is out on loan so this is a replacement.
Don't forget that we had 2 key players pick up season ending injuries on new years day with another already ruled out for 4-5 months a week or so earlier. The window became all about filling the gaps left by Heaton, Wesley and McGinn with almost no notice on top of needing a backup striker. Doing that with very little spare money (because of FFP) and in the midst of a relegation battle was totally different to the circumstances this time.
Without those injuries last season, I think we would have been fine. Heaton had been amazing.
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Last January was an extremely strange window.
I get the impression that we blew our entire transfer budget/FFP allocation in the summer (probably though necessity) and were hamstrung by that in to getting basically free transfers. We only spent £80m or so this summer, which presumably has given us a bit more room to buy pictures now. Plus we haven't needed to replace a striker and keeper at short notice.
We weren't assured of safety last Jan. I think FFP would have doe for us if we'd splashed out. This year we're fine and it's not such a gamble to spend.
Remember Hourihane is out on loan so this is a replacement.
Don't forget that we had 2 key players pick up season ending injuries on new years day with another already ruled out for 4-5 months a week or so earlier. The window became all about filling the gaps left by Heaton, Wesley and McGinn with almost no notice on top of needing a backup striker. Doing that with very little spare money (because of FFP) and in the midst of a relegation battle was totally different to the circumstances this time.
Without those injuries last season, I think we would have been fine. Heaton had been amazing.
Very possibly, it was a messy spell because we'd already had annoying injuries for Jack and Mings in the month or so before that. If you compare our injury problems to Sheff Utd who came up with us we definitely had a bad time of it.
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He's no Danny Drinkwater
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Dean Smith, post-match: "I have not spoken to our sporting director and there is obviously an inbound player and hopefully that is done soon."
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Omitted from the Marseille squad and Villas-Boas confirmed he’s on his way to us.
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I wonder what teammate Jordan Amavi had to say to him?
"FFS DON'T DO IT!!!"?
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Him, Luiz, Nakamba, Barkley and Ramsey is as good a midfield as any.
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I wonder what teammate Jordan Amavi had to say to him?
"FFS DON'T DO IT!!!"?
Think Amavi enjoyed his time here and seemed popular around the dressing room, just didn't work out on the pitch with the injury and everything.
Sure he'll be telling Morgan how good VP is with 40k in it.
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Yeah, tongue in cheek. I liked Amavi. You could see he was a player and it was a shame it didn't work out.
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Him, Luiz, Nakamba, Barkley and Ramsey is as good a midfield as any.
What, no McGinn?
What do you know??
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Him, Luiz, Nakamba, Barkley and Ramsey is as good a midfield as any.
What, no McGinn?
What do you know??
I know that I missed one out.
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Six really good players vying for three midfield spots. That's five more than we had for most of last decade. Six more than we had for parts of it.
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I wonder what teammate Jordan Amavi had to say to him?
"FFS DON'T DO IT!!!"?
Think Amavi enjoyed his time here and seemed popular around the dressing room, just didn't work out on the pitch with the injury and everything.
Sure he'll be telling Morgan how good VP is with 40k in it.
The sale of Amavi was typical Steve Bruce. Cash in on a star and generally spend it on weaker players. Out of that money he brought in Taylor (to replace Amavi), Hourihane, Lansbury, Bree and Bedeu. Only Hourihane showed anything and I do not think overall we got value out of the transfers. So much of the transfer fee we got in went in 'agents' fees.
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I can't wait until he puts pen to paper.
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I wonder what teammate Jordan Amavi had to say to him?
"FFS DON'T DO IT!!!"?
Think Amavi enjoyed his time here and seemed popular around the dressing room, just didn't work out on the pitch with the injury and everything.
Sure he'll be telling Morgan how good VP is with 40k in it.
No doubt he will love VP but he'll used to playing in a top stadium. The Stade Velodrome is the best stadium I've ever been to and it's steeped in history. Apart from Villa Park obviously.
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Some interesting info about Sanson
https://twitter.com/whoscored/status/1353289692553359361?s=21
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Who is Morgan Sanson? Stats, strengths and weaknesses of new Aston Villa recruit
by Martin Laurence
With a fee agreed between Aston Villa and Marseille believed to be in the region of £14m, rising to £15.5m with add-ons, French midfielder Morgan Sanson is set to complete a move to the Midlands.
Reports have been circling for over a week regarding a deal for the 26-year-old, with the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the financial state of French football allowing Villa to negotiate a deal. Indeed, OM boss Andre Villas-Boas confirmed last week that the Villans had tabled an offer at the time, but it was one he claimed was weak.
It's clear then that Villa have upped their offer since, with the need to bring in another midfielder perhaps more pressing following the decision to allow Conor Hourihane to leave on loan for Swansea. It's the Irishman that Sanson may ultimately replace in the ranks, not just in the short term, but it's arguably his versatility that has most appeased the club.
Where will he fit?
Over his time both with Montpellier and Marseille in Ligue 1, Sanson has fulfilled a number of different midfield roles, capable of playing in a pivot, a midfield three or in a more advanced position. With Ross Barkley's future at the club uncertain, currently on loan for Chelsea who will not allow the England international to leave on the cheap, there's certainly forward thinking in this deal as much as signing for the present.
It is, after all, difficult to see where a player of Sanson fits into the current Villa starting XI when all are available. He's a similar style of player to John McGinn in that much of his game revolves around his work rate and dynamism in getting from box-to-box, but the fact that he can play as a 10 could come into Dean Smith's thinking should Barkley succumb to another injury.
It's not just the loanee that will see his fitness put to the test, particularly in the coming weeks as Villa begin to play catch up following their COVID-19 outbreak. Smith has made very few unforced changes to his lineups this season and while that has in the most part been a reward for strong performances, there is obvious concern within the club at the drop off in quality from the starting XI to those waiting in the wings. As rotation becomes a necessity, Sanson will not only offer players a rest but his manager a little more tactical flexibility.
After all, while he has played as a ten, he's not as forward thinking as a Barkley or a Grealish and could be the midfielder in a three with the license to support the attack in matches against stronger opposition. He's been a reliable source of both goals and assists, with 35 and 32 respectively in Ligue 1, which are certainly commendable returns for a midfielder of his age.
Development
In truth, Sanson has arguably not yet lived up to the superb potential he showed early in his career at Montpellier, despite having been a solid performer for Marseille since his move four years ago. It was the 2014/15 season that thrust the midfielder into the limelight in France when the teenager at the time scored six times, registered three assists but also ranked among the top ten tacklers in Ligue 1, with 102. His performances that season were enough to earn a WhoScored rating of 7.41, which ranked equal 15th in the division with Idrissa Gueye, who would go on to sign for Aston Villa the following summer.
While that remains Sanson's strongest rating in any season to date, the following campaign he would join Marseille in January and end it with a superb 14 assists. He then enjoyed his best goalscoring season in his first full camapign with Marseille, scoring nine times, before levelling out a little between 2018 and 2020. That said, he was a key player as Marseille finished the curtailed 2019/20 season in second, starting 26 of 28 matches.
By contrast, Sanson has started just ten of Marseille's 19 league matches in the current campaign, with injuries playing a part, but he has clearly been identified as an expendable player in the club's current financial circumstances. He will leave the club having scored 20 goals and registered 19 assists in 103 league starts, chipping in with a further two goals from the bench.
Strengths
As mentioned, Sanson's versatility in midfield should prove a real asset to Villa. Across 187 Ligue 1 starts he's split his time between central (93), defensive (40) and attacking (33) midfield, and even started 21 games from wide (15 right, six left). His WhoScored rating when split into those different positions certainly highlights that he has been solid wherever he has played - most notably through the middle of the pitch - but interestingly his highest score, predominantly came in defensive midfield (7.27). It's also interesting that his rating in attacking midfield (7.09) slightly outperforms that in the middle of the park (7.03), highlighting that Sanson has qualities both in and out of possession.
It is, however, his defensive contribution wherever he is positioned that often stands out above his solid output in the final third. A combative player wherever he plays, during his time with Marseille he ranked among the top ten Ligue 1 players for possession won in both the midfield (376) and attacking third (66). That ability to press will certainly fit the mould at Villa, and Sanson tends to break up play by hook or by crook...
Weaknesses
It's that all action style of defending that has often seen Sanson make a close relationship with Ligue 1 referees! He committed the second most fouls in France's top-flight last season and has racked up a modest 25 yellow cards at OM. While he's faced a couple of yellow card suspensions, however, he's never been sent off, suggesting he knows where to draw the line.
From a technical standpoint his passing isn't his strongest trait, particularly this season, with a relatively meagre 77.8 per cent success rate. While that figure has tended to be around the 82 per cent mark in his career, it remains pretty modest and a profile not dissimilar to that of John McGinn in that he likes to play forward but can be pretty wayward.
Conclusion
In terms of squad depth, at the price point reported, Sanson looks a very shrewd and necessary addition for Villa. If he uses this second half of the season well when called upon to adapt to the Premier League, it's a style of play that should suit him and playing time may become more regular dependent on whether Villa can or cannot make Ross Barkley's loan move permanent.
A midfielder who chips in with goals, rarely delivers a sub-par performance and always puts in the hard yards should fit in nicely in Dean Smith's ever-improving squad.
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His wiki page says he's a Villa player, so it must be true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Sanson
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you can’t tell much from video clips and stats
I will reserve judgement as always until i see how enthusiastic he is at his first press conference
and the first five minutes of watching him play
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Only seen a few brief clips of him, but he seems to be an attacking midfielder who would play where Barkley currently plays.
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Brother in law is a diehard OM fan. Seems to think he should be a good purchase for Villa but feels he may have to get used to the physicality or what he perceives of the game compared to across the channel, isn’t an aggressive player.
Personally, I’m not sure English football is quite as aggressive as it was say 10-20 years ago in relation to other leagues.
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Song's easy anyway: Sanson D'amour, (rat-a tat-de dat) . Je T'adore.
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Very good Kipeye.
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you can’t tell much from video clips and stats
I will reserve judgement as always until i see how enthusiastic he is at his first press conference
and the first five minutes of watching him play
It's the shirt stretching technique that's most important
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Song's easy anyway: Sanson D'amour, (rat-a tat-de dat) . Je T'adore.
I thought that Sanson's transfer was from Marseille, not Manhattan
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What will be his work permit situation now that the UK is in self imposed sanctions with the EU ?
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What will be his work permit situation now that the UK is in self imposed sanctions with the EU ?
Why did we hurry Hourihane out the door before Sanson is signed up? Work permits may be an issue, but hopefully not.
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What will be his work permit situation now that the UK is in self imposed sanctions with the EU ?
Same as for any non-EU overseas player. He won't get one automatically as he isn't an international. However, he will easily meet the criteria having played loads of games in a recognised top league in addition to plenty of matches in European competition. It may take a few days to resolve, though.
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Brother in law is a diehard OM fan. Seems to think he should be a good purchase for Villa but feels he may have to get used to the physicality or what he perceives of the game compared to across the channel, isn’t an aggressive player.
Personally, I’m not sure English football is quite as aggressive as it was say 10-20 years ago in relation to other leagues.
It’s definitely faster and more athletic. I do miss the good old aggressive days. You rarely get away with a good old fashioned reducer nowadays.
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Brother in law is a diehard OM fan. Seems to think he should be a good purchase for Villa but feels he may have to get used to the physicality or what he perceives of the game compared to across the channel, isn’t an aggressive player.
Personally, I’m not sure English football is quite as aggressive as it was say 10-20 years ago in relation to other leagues.
It’s definitely faster and more athletic. I do miss the good old aggressive days. You rarely get away with a good old fashioned reducer nowadays.
There was one beauty on Saturday against Newcastle - I can't remember who it was, maybe Targett? Completely fair but absolutely smashed the Newcastle player. It had Carragher chuckling.
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Song's easy anyway: Sanson D'amour, (rat-a tat-de dat) . Je T'adore.
I thought that Sanson's transfer was from Marseille, not Manhattan
Extra point for that one...
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What will be his work permit situation now that the UK is in self imposed sanctions with the EU ?
Why did we hurry Hourihane out the door before Sanson is signed up? Work permits may be an issue, but hopefully not.
Think Ramsey had moved ahead of Hourihane in the pecking order anyway in the eyes of the coaching staff.
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You pretty much never hear my favourite old school chant...
Get into ‘em (and f*ck ‘em up)!
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If, as I understand it, he is due for a medical, does he not need to quarantine for 14 days then presumably he returns to France to finalise things there and quarantines again for entering France then, assuming he joins us, he then has to quarantine again when he re enters the UK. Will he be playing before the season ends 😃
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If, as I understand it, he is due for a medical, does he not need to quarantine for 14 days then presumably he returns to France to finalise things there and quarantines again for entering France then, assuming he joins us, he then has to quarantine again when he re enters the UK. Will he be playing before the season ends 😃
Apparently those rules do not apply if you are an elite sportsperson / film star or have fuck loads of money
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You pretty much never hear my favourite old school chant...
Get into ‘em (and f*ck ‘em up)!
F*ck em off i think you may find
And it was alive and well as i stood alone in my living room Saturday night singing it and many others
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If, as I understand it, he is due for a medical, does he not need to quarantine for 14 days then presumably he returns to France to finalise things there and quarantines again for entering France then, assuming he joins us, he then has to quarantine again when he re enters the UK. Will he be playing before the season ends 😃
Apparently those rules do not apply if you are an elite sportsperson / film star or have fuck loads of money
He won’t need to travel here for his medical. He’ll do that over there.
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If, as I understand it, he is due for a medical, does he not need to quarantine for 14 days then presumably he returns to France to finalise things there and quarantines again for entering France then, assuming he joins us, he then has to quarantine again when he re enters the UK. Will he be playing before the season ends 😃
Apparently those rules do not apply if you are an elite sportsperson / film star or have fuck loads of money
He's allowed to drive over here to check his eyesight as long as he brings his wife and children.
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If, as I understand it, he is due for a medical, does he not need to quarantine for 14 days then presumably he returns to France to finalise things there and quarantines again for entering France then, assuming he joins us, he then has to quarantine again when he re enters the UK. Will he be playing before the season ends 😃
Apparently those rules do not apply if you are an elite sportsperson / film star or have fuck loads of money
He's allowed to drive over here to check his eyesight as long as he brings his wife and children.
Yes but only if it is a crucial journey. Like a visit to a castle.
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You pretty much never hear my favourite old school chant...
Get into ‘em (and f*ck ‘em up)!
F*ck em off i think you may find
And it was alive and well as i stood alone in my living room Saturday night singing it and many others
I must admit, I think it’s f*ck em up too. Well, its what I used to sing anyway!
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For the first time in a long time we might have a team that doesnt pick itself.
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I've always thought it was "fuck 'em up", too. Maybe it changed over the years.
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I've always thought it was "fuck 'em up", too. Maybe it changed over the years.
Yes it definitely evolved from “off” to “up”” at some point, I blame American films.
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I've always thought it was "fuck 'em up", too. Maybe it changed over the years.
Yes it definitely evolved from “off” to “up”” at some point, I blame American films.
It was always 'up' for me.
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We need a poll.
I always thought it was "up."
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Its off.
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No, it's "off".
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I’m in the up camp.
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Up
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Imagine what Morgan makes of the offs v the ups?
He is probably a tad concerned as to what he might be joining.
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Its off.
You've been living "off" North too long.
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Up.
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Its off.
Read that and thought the signing was off!
Always thought it was "off"
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Up
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It was 'off' to me.
This is not some weird left/right side thing is it? For the record I was right side.
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''Gerrin to hum and fuck em up'' is how I always remembered it.
I was on the right side.
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''Gerrin to hum and fuck em up'' is how I always remembered it.
I was on the right side.
I was a left-side 'upper'
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Its off.
Read that and thought the signing was off!
Same here, I just spent five minutes checking Twitter as to why!
It's 'up'.
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''Gerrin to hum and fuck em up'' is how I always remembered it.
I was on the right side.
I was a left-side 'upper'
Left side 3/4's back.
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''Gerrin to hum and fuck em up'' is how I always remembered it.
I was on the right side.
I was a left-side 'upper'
Do you think it was a geographical thing of where you lived in the city and beyond that determined where everyone stood on the Holte?
I always remember the upper right side being lads from Kingstanding, Erdington, Great Barr and North of the city because most of us would all catch our buses home at the Old Crown & Cushion. Whereby, I think most fans who lived in the south of the city and caught buses in town were mostly on the left side?
I could be totally wrong on this I know...
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'F**k them off" just isn't a phrase anyone used in the 70s and 80s.
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Off
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It was 'off' to me.
This is not some weird left/right side thing is it? For the record I was right side.
I think it’s more likely an age thing. Be interesting to see the ages of the up’s & off’s. for the record I was right side too and I’m an off.
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''Gerrin to hum and fuck em up'' is how I always remembered it.
I was on the right side.
This.
And I'm from the north side of the city....Aston!
dicedlam could be on to something here!
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''Gerrin to hum and fuck em up'' is how I always remembered it.
I was on the right side.
This.
And I'm from the north side of the city....Aston!
dicedlam could be on to something here!
It was allways up, off is so American
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It was always 'off'.
The Left Side / Tizwas / Celtic
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Off probably dates back to the days of regular terrace aggro. That’s how I remember it. Up is probably more on pitch player encouragement related.
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I don't see it as particularly American, though it may have a different meaning there.
"Up" is, however, quite clearly the correct word here.
It follows "get stuck in". "Fuck them up" means injure, maim, hospitalise. "Fuck them off" means to remove someone from your life, like an unwanted girlfriend.
The crowd are imploring the players to adopt an aggressive tackling style, not a passive aggressive pattern of not returning their Whatsapps.
It's "up", you maniacs.
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I don't see it as particularly American, though it may have a different meaning there.
"Up" is, however, quite clearly the correct word here.
It follows "get stuck in". "Fuck them up" means injure, maim, hospitalise. "Fuck them off" means to remove someone from your life, like an unwanted girlfriend.
The crowd are imploring the players adopt an aggressive tackling style, not a passive aggressive pattern of not returning their Whatsapps.
It's "up", you maniacs.
"Fuck 'em off" was targeted at the oppo fans - and "Get into 'em" was aimed at the Villa bootboys, IIRC.
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3 pages and multiple pages since I last looked. Imagine my excitement at as such a thread swell must mean he's signed. I should've known better.
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If someone said: "She kept ringing me at all hours, so I fucked her off", you would understand that to mean that he had broken up with her.
If someone said: "She kept ringing me at all hours, so I fucked her up", you would call the police.
To fuck someone up is to commit bodily harm. That is the definition we need here.
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Correct, obviously.
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"The Left side" r here.
It may be gramatically incorrect but I remember it as "off".
It wouldnt be the first time the word police have found us leftsiders on the wrong side of the queens english.
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If someone said: "She kept ringing me at all hours, so I fucked her off", you would understand that to mean that he had broken up with her.
If someone said: "She kept ringing me at all hours, so I fucked her up", you would call the police.
To fuck someone up is to commit bodily harm. That is the definition we need here.
This is the correct definition . Definitely up. Didn't go on the Holte as we went with my grandad and he preferred the Trinity Road stand. But the few times I went I there, I'd have been right side.
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Left sider from Selly Oak.
Perhaps the offers (lefties) and the uppers (righties) needs to be resolved with a massive Ashbourne style game of traditional football with "ends" in Erdington and Edgbaston. First over the line gets to settle the thing once and for all.
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I'm an Upper from the Left Lower.
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Right or left it was always 'off'. Of that I have no doubt.
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Another one for "up". I was left side at the back.
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Definately off, rights side just above half way
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Young Morgan is going to wonder what the hell we are talking about on here 🤔
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There's some fairly substantial evidence here to back up my lifelong held belief that right siders were wrong 'uns.
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"Up" for me. Left side of the Holte above the tunnel. South Birmingham
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All that’s happening here is we’re finding out that while nearly everyone was singing ‘up’, some people were getting it wrong. Easily done I suppose.
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It was up. I was left side, not far from Tarzan.
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Off. Left side
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Up period !!! No come backs.
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Holte Right side 3/4 back ( where Holte Enders in the Sky originated in bloody tune)
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Is it left/right side or as you look at it from the pitch?
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So anyway.......theres a French player called Morgan Sanson who may be joining us this week. Bonjour et bon chance.
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Is it left/right side or as you look at it from the pitch?
As you stand looking at the pitch.
From the left hand side, the aristocratic side next to Aston Hall.
On a faint northerly breeze you would just be able to hear the rightsiders getting the words wrong.
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So anyway.......theres a French player called Morgan Sanson who may be joining us this week. Bonjour et bon chance.
Why are you bringing him up? What’s he got to do with the Morgan Sanson thread?
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I love it , how off tangent can we go from a potential new signing thread 🤔
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Up! I was left side, half way up near the bloke who used to scream “put the pressure on”
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It’s ‘Up’, you lunatics.
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
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Middle of the Holte, half way down the terrace and it was definitely "off"
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
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We could get Newport IOW in the cup. You could get a ferry on the way to Portsmouth away, if you wanted to.
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Up! I was left side, half way up near the bloke who used to scream “put the pressure on”
Same. That bloke was screaming "put the pressure IN", though.
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Up! I was left side, half way up near the bloke who used to scream “put the pressure on”
Same. That bloke was screaming "put the pressure IN", though.
We don’t need this pressure on. That was the chant. Number one.
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We could get Newport IOW in the cup. You could get a ferry on the way to Portsmouth away, if you wanted to.
The Solent is sea.
This from The Solent Forum which as far as I know has yet to get a mention on HIGNFY.
The Solent itself is the strait that separates the Isle of Wight from the mainland of England. It is about 20 miles (32 kilometres) long and varies in width between 21⁄2 and 5 miles (4 and 8 km), although the Hurst Spit which projects 11⁄2 mi (2.4 km) into the Solent narrows the sea crossing between Hurst Castle and Colwell Bay to just over 1 mile (1.6 km).
http://www.solentforum.org/solent/our_coastal_zone/
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Bugger. I thought it was a big river.
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OK then. Venezia away in Europe. I think you can only get there by boat.
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Is it left/right side or as you look at it from the pitch?
As you stand looking at the pitch.
From the left hand side, the aristocratic side next to Aston Hall.
On a faint northerly breeze you would just be able to hear the rightsiders getting the words wrong.
Whilst the leftsiders get drowned out by the Upper Trinity Road.
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Up! I was left side, half way up near the bloke who used to scream “put the pressure on”
Same. That bloke was screaming "put the pressure IN", though.
We don’t need this pressure on. That was the chant. Number one.
Without Googling, what was Chant Number 2?
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Up! I was left side, half way up near the bloke who used to scream “put the pressure on”
Left side, down the front, standing on a milk crate and holding an inflatable banana. Different times!
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Up.
Right Side - SMTV - Hearts
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OK then. Venezia away in Europe. I think you can only get there by boat.
Road and rail connection from the mainland.
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Whoops, sorry about that!
For the record; left side, Tiswas, Celtic and obviously “up”. I stood behind the floodlight as a nipper, then used to stand up the back first half and down the front second.
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
The bigger question is why would one exclude crossing rivers by road or rail bridge?
That is absolutely following the Villa over water.
The chant doesn't make reference to how much easier modern transport infrastructure make that following.
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Up
Left Side* - Swap Shop - Hibs & Celtic
*Beside the base of the floodlight.
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I refuse to believe that there isn’t a single ground somewhere in the world that is on an island in the middle of a lake or some such.
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
The bigger question is why would one exclude crossing rivers by road or rail bridge?
That is absolutely following the Villa over water.
The chant doesn't make reference to how much easier modern transport infrastructure make that following.
If you ignore the couple of hundred yards between the Fiery Holes and Rocket Pool, you have to pass over water to get to Tipton Town.
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I refuse to believe that there isn’t a single ground somewhere in the world that is on an island in the middle of a lake or some such.
Belter of an away game.
(https://www.trollfootball.me/upload/full/2019/08/29/any-other-amazing-pitches-henningsvaer-norway.jpg)
(Henningsvaer in Norway, but probably more of a pitch than a stadium)
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I refuse to believe that there isn’t a single ground somewhere in the world that is on an island in the middle of a lake or some such.
Malta? or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?
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Left side, above floodlight. Definitely off.
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
The bigger question is why would one exclude crossing rivers by road or rail bridge?
That is absolutely following the Villa over water.
The chant doesn't make reference to how much easier modern transport infrastructure make that following.
If you ignore the couple of hundred yards between the Fiery Holes and Rocket Pool, you have to pass over water to get to Tipton Town.
Reckon a good lawyer could argue that a trip to the Lower Holte bogs at half-time involves a journey over water.
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
The bigger question is why would one exclude crossing rivers by road or rail bridge?
That is absolutely following the Villa over water.
The chant doesn't make reference to how much easier modern transport infrastructure make that following.
I would say you would struggle to find a single game home or away that doesn't involve crossing water in that case !
Why sing a song which in effect boasts about your undying loyalty because you parked the other side of cuckoo bridge ? Then walked over the fazeley canal ? That canal and bridge was there before villa park was built which puts paid to your modern infrastructure argument !
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Late 70's early 80's lower holte ,right side bottom corner.
Definately "get into em and fuck em off"
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
The bigger question is why would one exclude crossing rivers by road or rail bridge?
That is absolutely following the Villa over water.
The chant doesn't make reference to how much easier modern transport infrastructure make that following.
If you ignore the couple of hundred yards between the Fiery Holes and Rocket Pool, you have to pass over water to get to Tipton Town.
Why on earth would you want to do that.
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I refuse to believe that there isn’t a single ground somewhere in the world that is on an island in the middle of a lake or some such.
Belter of an away game.
(https://www.trollfootball.me/upload/full/2019/08/29/any-other-amazing-pitches-henningsvaer-norway.jpg)
(Henningsvaer in Norway, but probably more of a pitch than a stadium)
Just found the same place by Googling but it seems to be connected to the mainland by road so banned for reasons that I'm not really clear on.
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Send the RAF over to destroy the link to the mainland and it’ll count then.
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
The bigger question is why would one exclude crossing rivers by road or rail bridge?
That is absolutely following the Villa over water.
The chant doesn't make reference to how much easier modern transport infrastructure make that following.
I would say you would struggle to find a single game home or away that doesn't involve crossing water in that case !
Why sing a song which in effect boasts about your undying loyalty because you parked the other side of cuckoo bridge ? Then walked over the fazeley canal ? That canal and bridge was there before villa park was built which puts paid to your modern infrastructure argument !
To turn your argument around, the song boasting of undying loyalty also includes the journeying over land.
Why is the "over water" part the bit that signifies sacrifice? If the over land bit is taken as an assumption of any regular journey, why can't the the trip over a canal of three also be seen as part of that same bog-standard journey, as following the Villa over land?
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To bring this back on track...it’s Up, right hand side.
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To bring this back on track...it’s Up, right hand side.
Is the correct answer. ;-)
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We could get Newport IOW in the cup. You could get a ferry on the way to Portsmouth away, if you wanted to.
The Solent is sea.
This from The Solent Forum which as far as I know has yet to get a mention on HIGNFY.
The Solent itself is the strait that separates the Isle of Wight from the mainland of England. It is about 20 miles (32 kilometres) long and varies in width between 21⁄2 and 5 miles (4 and 8 km), although the Hurst Spit which projects 11⁄2 mi (2.4 km) into the Solent narrows the sea crossing between Hurst Castle and Colwell Bay to just over 1 mile (1.6 km).
http://www.solentforum.org/solent/our_coastal_zone/
The Solent was a river! In pre-historic times - The River Solent.
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I refuse to believe that there isn’t a single ground somewhere in the world that is on an island in the middle of a lake or some such.
Belter of an away game.
(https://www.trollfootball.me/upload/full/2019/08/29/any-other-amazing-pitches-henningsvaer-norway.jpg)
(Henningsvaer in Norway, but probably more of a pitch than a stadium)
We would have left Tonev at home if we had a game at this ground.
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Jesus, Imagine the poor Dolphins.
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
The bigger question is why would one exclude crossing rivers by road or rail bridge?
That is absolutely following the Villa over water.
The chant doesn't make reference to how much easier modern transport infrastructure make that following.
I would say you would struggle to find a single game home or away that doesn't involve crossing water in that case !
Why sing a song which in effect boasts about your undying loyalty because you parked the other side of cuckoo bridge ? Then walked over the fazeley canal ? That canal and bridge was there before villa park was built which puts paid to your modern infrastructure argument !
To turn your argument around, the song boasting of undying loyalty also includes the journeying over land.
Why is the "over water" part the bit that signifies sacrifice? If the over land bit is taken as an assumption of any regular journey, why can't the the trip over a canal of three also be seen as part of that same bog-standard journey, as following the Villa over land?
Anybody with an understanding of the song will appreciate the context and the stress applied to the `on water` part of the melody.
The song would start out in dulcet tones with a few participants and build to a rising crescendo with others joining in as it turned into a joyous and boastful shout.
We will follow the Villa over land and sea,......AND WATER ! We will follow the Villa onto victory.
Without the on water aspect of the song I doubt it would have survived as long as it did. For me the on water element was key to what was being espoused and I find it incredulous to believe anybody at the time thought it related to walking across a canal bridge !
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Up
Left Side* - Swap Shop - Hibs & Celtic
*Beside the base of the floodlight.
You did well there apart from Swap Shop. Fucking hell.
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Off.
Back of the left side.
Kingstanding.
Tiswas.
Obvs. UTV.
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
The bigger question is why would one exclude crossing rivers by road or rail bridge?
That is absolutely following the Villa over water.
The chant doesn't make reference to how much easier modern transport infrastructure make that following.
I would say you would struggle to find a single game home or away that doesn't involve crossing water in that case !
Why sing a song which in effect boasts about your undying loyalty because you parked the other side of cuckoo bridge ? Then walked over the fazeley canal ? That canal and bridge was there before villa park was built which puts paid to your modern infrastructure argument !
To turn your argument around, the song boasting of undying loyalty also includes the journeying over land.
Why is the "over water" part the bit that signifies sacrifice? If the over land bit is taken as an assumption of any regular journey, why can't the the trip over a canal of three also be seen as part of that same bog-standard journey, as following the Villa over land?
Anybody with an understanding of the song will appreciate the context and the stress applied to the `on water` part of the melody.
The song would start out in dulcet tones with a few participants and build to a rising crescendo with others joining in as it turned into a joyous and boastful shout.
We will follow the Villa over land and sea,......AND WATER ! We will follow the Villa onto victory.
Without the on water aspect of the song I doubt it would have survived as long as it did. For me the on water element was key to what was being espoused and I find it incredulous to believe anybody at the time thought it related to walking across a canal bridge !
On water? Here we go again.
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I feel Sanson is Barkley’s replacement or competition
But is useful whatver he fits in. Looking forward to having the extra option qs has been needed.
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What should we sing if we ever play Odessa and take the ferry across the Caspian Sea which is not a Sea but an inland Lake? It would have to be 'Land or sea OR water, which is what I have always sung anyway.
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He better arrive by barge or he can fuck off.
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What should we sing if we ever play Odessa and take the ferry across the Caspian Sea which is not a Sea but an inland Lake? It would have to be 'Land or sea OR water, which is what I have always sung anyway.
We would have had to pass land and sea and water to get there, assuming we started in Britain.
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He better arrive by barge or he can fuck off.
Barges are too wide to get along the Fazeley canal, it will have to be a narrowboat.
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I'll send one round.
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What should we sing if we ever play Odessa and take the ferry across the Caspian Sea which is not a Sea but an inland Lake? It would have to be 'Land or sea OR water, which is what I have always sung anyway.
You’d be going the long way round over the Caspian Sea, the Black Sea would be quicker!!
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This thread is going too be a superb nostalgic read in 3 years time when he's scored twice and assisted Louie Barry twice as we belt Bayern Munich in the Champions League Final.
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Late 70's early 80's lower holte ,right side bottom corner.
Definately "get into em and fuck em off"
Exactly this. No argument
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
Mersey Ferry for Tranmere away?
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What should we sing if we ever play Odessa and take the ferry across the Caspian Sea which is not a Sea but an inland Lake? It would have to be 'Land or sea OR water, which is what I have always sung anyway.
I’d definitely sing something about garden sheds. In Russian.
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Its off.
Read that and thought the signing was off!
Same here, I just spent five minutes checking Twitter as to why!
It's 'up'.
Definitely up and I was always a left sider but near the middle.
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This thread is going too be a superb nostalgic read in 3 years time when he's scored twice and assisted Louie Barry twice as we belt Bayern Munich in the Champions League Final.
Can’t we beat someone else next time?
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While you're all on the subject, one I could never understand. We all follow the Villa, over land and Sea... And water. Aren't see and water the same thing?
No.
I agree but assuming we are not including crossing rivers by road or rail bridges, can you give an example of a Villa away game that would involve crossing water that is not sea.
The bigger question is why would one exclude crossing rivers by road or rail bridge?
That is absolutely following the Villa over water.
The chant doesn't make reference to how much easier modern transport infrastructure make that following.
I would say you would struggle to find a single game home or away that doesn't involve crossing water in that case !
Why sing a song which in effect boasts about your undying loyalty because you parked the other side of cuckoo bridge ? Then walked over the fazeley canal ? That canal and bridge was there before villa park was built which puts paid to your modern infrastructure argument !
To turn your argument around, the song boasting of undying loyalty also includes the journeying over land.
Why is the "over water" part the bit that signifies sacrifice? If the over land bit is taken as an assumption of any regular journey, why can't the the trip over a canal of three also be seen as part of that same bog-standard journey, as following the Villa over land?
Anybody with an understanding of the song will appreciate the context and the stress applied to the `on water` part of the melody.
The song would start out in dulcet tones with a few participants and build to a rising crescendo with others joining in as it turned into a joyous and boastful shout.
We will follow the Villa over land and sea,......AND WATER ! We will follow the Villa onto victory.
Without the on water aspect of the song I doubt it would have survived as long as it did. For me the on water element was key to what was being espoused and I find it incredulous to believe anybody at the time thought it related to walking across a canal bridge !
I thought it was Leicester, not water?
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This thread is going too be a superb nostalgic read in 3 years time when he's scored twice and assisted Louie Barry twice as we belt Bayern Munich in the Champions League Final.
Can’t we beat someone else next time?
This.
Not sure I would even bother watching that.
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Its off.
Read that and thought the signing was off!
Same here, I just spent five minutes checking Twitter as to why!
It's 'up'.
Definitely up and I was always a left sider but near the middle.
Definitely ‘up’, what are these nutcases talking about? We need a poll.
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We'll be having a kick-up next.
Fuck em up, always. Fuck em off suggests you don't want to play them any more.
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Off for me. Get a poll up please, to prove I’m right.
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What should we sing if we ever play Odessa and take the ferry across the Caspian Sea which is not a Sea but an inland Lake? It would have to be 'Land or sea OR water, which is what I have always sung anyway.
I’d definitely sing something about garden sheds. In Russian.
Probably better than us reenacting The Battleship Potemkin and singing "Get into them and fuck them up" in Ukrainian.
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Pretty sure it was/is fuck ‘em up. Been a while though
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Isn't Toulouse Stadium in the middle of a river?
Went for an England game.
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Some reports out of France that he’s signed a 4 year deal so hopefully it gets confirmed by the club sometime Tuesday in time for him to make the bench for Burnley. ITS...etc etc.
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Some reports out of France that he’s signed a 4 year deal so hopefully it gets confirmed by the club sometime Tuesday in time for him to make the bench for Burnley. ITS...etc etc.
That’s what I love about H&V - the irrelevant and surreal tangents.
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Some reports out of France that he’s signed a 4 year deal so hopefully it gets confirmed by the club sometime Tuesday in time for him to make the bench for Burnley. ITS...etc etc.
Work permit paperwork would need to be done first, before he can join up with the team. Don't know how long that would take - he isn't an international is he?
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I'd love a game at Lake Como!
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Very much doubt now he'll be signed and cleared to play in time for tomorrow night. Could make the bench on Saturday.
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Very much doubt now he'll be signed and cleared to play in time for tomorrow night. Could make the bench on Saturday.
We don't need him to be. McGinn is back and Nakamba played very well against Newcastle, so there's no rush to get him involved at all.
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That's right, make them fight to get in the side.
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Traore was given a bit of time before he could get into the starting team so I imagine it will be the same with Sanson.
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Traore was given a bit of time before he could get into the starting team so I imagine it will be the same with Sanson.
Yes, getting them up to speed on fitness and playing approach is really important - we saw the downside with players like Luiz at the beginning of last season..
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I reckon there's an elevated chance Morgan Sansom will become the next Ciaran Clarke.
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Isn’t it nice not to be worried and panicking over a transfer getting over the line for a change?
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Isn’t it nice not to be worried and panicking over a transfer getting over the line for a change?
It’s a bizarre feeling!
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I reckon there's an elevated chance Morgan Sansom will become the next Ciaran Clarke.
Or Kieran Davies
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I reckon there's an elevated chance Morgan Sansom will become the next Ciaran Clarke.
It will be one of Samson, Samsom and Sansom
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I reckon there's an elevated chance Morgan Sansom will become the next Ciaran Clarke.
It will be one of Samson, Samsom and Sansom
And the odd Samsung
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I'd happily settle for a right footed McGinn. Isn't it nice to be discussing signing a player similar to one already at the club without immediately worrying that the incumbent isn't about to be flogged to make the books balance?
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I reckon there's an elevated chance Morgan Sansom will become the next Ciaran Clarke.
Or Kieran Davies
You mean Keenan?
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There was a link on BBC Sport to l'equipe article on Amavi being chased by Palace and Napoli which lead to one on the curse of the Villa on French players and Remi Garde and presumably talked about Sanson (behind a paywall sadly)One person said I visited Birmingham when I was a student,it was awful.The reply from another Frenchman,you obviously didn't visit 'the jewel in the crown',Villa Park,the fans are fantastic.
I couldn't add my 4 cents worth as you had to subscribe but it was nice to read such a lovely comment.
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Looking forward to his first interview where he finishes by saying “By the way everyone, I know it’s “up” too”.
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Welcome to Aston Villa
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https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1354116420989308932
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/january/Villa-announce-Sanson-signing-/
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We signed him off.
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Excellent. Adding to the squad from a position of strength.
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I reckon there's an elevated chance Morgan Sansom will become the next Ciaran Clarke.
Or Kieran Davies
You mean Keenan?
What's Kevin Keelan got to do with it?
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I'm not falling for that one.That's Ryland,
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;D ;D Please please be very good!!!
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We signed him off.
Let's hope we don't fuck him up.
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Now fuck them off , get into them ?
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Welcome to the Villa, Morgan.
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Bienvenue. Ne dis pas "off".
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Is Sanson the French word for mcginn
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Welcome Morgan to a fabulous football club.
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Interview is up on the website.
"Sorry for my English" are the first words out of his mouth..........then proceeds to conduct an interview in very good English.
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Welcome I hope that you have a great time at our club and don’t be shit
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Welcome Morgan and good luck!
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Welcome to the best club you ever play for Morgan
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Welcome I hope that you have a great time at our club and don’t be shit
Ah yes. The best H&V cliché imo happens within a few posts of welcoming a new signing every time without fail - the "Welcome to the Villa. Please don't be shit". It's funny cos it's true!
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Welcome to Aston Villa Morgan I'm really excited by this signing.
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Welcome Morgan! Go and tear up the Premier League !
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Welcome, just seen the interview with him. Said he has been watching our games from December.
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Good stuff, available for tomorrow?
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Good stuff, available for tomorrow?
Burnley on a freezing Wednesday night in January. The ultimate test.
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Guilbert could be important in helpung him settle.
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Great interview, seems confident and I'm guessing you're not going to describe yourself as a 'warrior' unless you get stuck in and tackle a bit more than Henri Lansbury.
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Guilbert could be important in helpung him settle.
We'll have a few French speakers in the squad, eg Traoré.
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Welcome to Villa Park.
Captain Morgan has a good ring to it if Grealish ever gets subbed again.
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Sois le bienvenu, Morgan, au meilleur club du monde !
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Good stuff, available for tomorrow?
Presumably we still have to do all the work permit stuff.
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Happy with this, looks like he plays a lot like Mcginn and that energy is a big part of why we're so good this year.
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Welcome, just seen the interview with him. Said he has been watching our games from December.
Hopefully not December 2012.
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Guilbert could be important in helpung him settle.
We'll have a few French speakers in the squad, eg Traoré.
How good is his English? Do we know, for example, whether he understands the difference between ‘up’ and ‘off’?
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Have we ever had a Morgan?
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Dingles in meltdown as Morgan mentions our derby with the Baggies rather than them.
Welcome, Morgan. DBS
Seems we made our approach back in December and he was our number 1 target. I love it when a plan comes together.
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Guilbert could be important in helpung him settle.
We'll have a few French speakers in the squad, eg Traoré.
How good is his English? Do we know, for example, whether he understands the difference between ‘up’ and ‘off’?
Decent English in the interview, although he did describe us as a mythical club.
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Have we ever had a Morgan?
Sammy Morgan.
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He's our new Sammy Morgan albeit in reverse (almost).
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Great news welcome Morgan.
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What type of midfielder is he?
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Guilbert could be important in helpung him settle.
We'll have a few French speakers in the squad, eg Traoré.
How good is his English? Do we know, for example, whether he understands the difference between ‘up’ and ‘off’?
I hope he was asked to explain law 11 in English before he put pen to paper.
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What type of midfielder is he?
He's alot like McGinn from everything I can find, high energy, closes the ball fast and tries to move the ball forward fast.
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Welcome.... now get out there and kick ass
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Welcome to Villa Park.
Captain Morgan has a good ring to it if Grealish ever gets subbed again.
That'll be a rum do.
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Guilbert could be important in helpung him settle.
We'll have a few French speakers in the squad, eg Traoré.
How good is his English? Do we know, for example, whether he understands the difference between ‘up’ and ‘off’?
Decent English in the interview, although he did describe us as a mythical club.
He was struggling to find an English translation for "club mythique", which is standard French football parlance when referring to a big club with an illustrious history.
I like "legendary", myself!
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Welcome Morgan!
Is he eligible to play tomorrow night?
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Welcome Morgan!
Is he eligible to play tomorrow night?
I think he had to be registered by midday today for that, so possibly not. Probably makes sense to wait until the weekend anyway.
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Welcome Morgan!
Is he eligible to play tomorrow night?
OK, thanks.
I think he had to be registered by midday today for that, so possibly not. Probably makes sense to wait until the weekend anyway.
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Not to be put any pressure on him but if he is anywhere as near as good as the rest of our signings this season, he will be fantastic after settling in. Looking forward to seeing the warrior!
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What type of midfielder is he?
He's alot like McGinn from everything I can find, high energy, closes the ball fast and tries to move the ball forward fast.
Well, according to Dean, he can play as a 10, an 8 or a 6. Whatever the hell that means.
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What type of midfielder is he?
He's alot like McGinn from everything I can find, high energy, closes the ball fast and tries to move the ball forward fast.
Well, according to Dean, he can play as a 10, an 8 or a 6. Whatever the hell that means.
He's played out wide for Marseille at points too so can probably play anywhere across midfield. A right footed McGinn who's stats show him winning the ball higher up the field than what McGinn does. Useful to have someone so versatile as it can help to keep the squad size down whilst still having options and giving chance for the kids to come through.
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Dingles in meltdown as Morgan mentions our derby with the Baggies rather than them.
Welcome, Morgan. DBS
Seems we made our approach back in December and he was our number 1 target. I love it when a plan comes together.
It's great to know that we're signing players who have been on the radar for a while, and also players who have been specifically identified because they will fit into a long term plan for improving the squad and their ability to adapt to the way we play. I'm happier with the direction of the club now than I have been for many a long year.
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What type of midfielder is he?
He's alot like McGinn from everything I can find, high energy, closes the ball fast and tries to move the ball forward fast.
Well, according to Dean, he can play as a 10, an 8 or a 6. Whatever the hell that means.
He's played out wide for Marseille at points too so can probably play anywhere across midfield. A right footed McGinn who's stats show him winning the ball higher up the field than what McGinn does. Useful to have someone so versatile as it can help to keep the squad size down whilst still having options and giving chance for the kids to come through.
Plays off both feet. More graceful than McGinn.
Dean said "will add real competition for starting places and gives us more squad depth which is vital to competing successfully in the Premier League."
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Great interview, seems confident and I'm guessing you're not going to describe yourself as a 'warrior' unless you get stuck in and tackle a bit more than Henri Lansbury.
I never I thought I'd see the words "warrior" and "Henri Lansbury" in the same sentence.
Do we have a Chanson for Sanson?
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I liked his answer of "West Brom" to the dumb "Who are you most looking forward to playing against?" question.
Don't be getting the player dreaming of a SkySix club in his first feckin' interview! Good lad, knows the importance of a derby.
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Guilbert could be important in helpung him settle.
We'll have a few French speakers in the squad, eg Traoré.
How good is his English? Do we know, for example, whether he understands the difference between ‘up’ and ‘off’?
More importantly, does he understand “deliberate attempt to play the ball” ?
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What type of midfielder is he?
He's alot like McGinn from everything I can find, high energy, closes the ball fast and tries to move the ball forward fast.
Well, according to Dean, he can play as a 10, an 8 or a 6. Whatever the hell that means.
He's played out wide for Marseille at points too so can probably play anywhere across midfield. A right footed McGinn who's stats show him winning the ball higher up the field than what McGinn does. Useful to have someone so versatile as it can help to keep the squad size down whilst still having options and giving chance for the kids to come through.
Ross Barkley replacement, that can tackle.
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I hope it does not mean we will see less of Ramsay but i suppose no room for sentiment
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What type of midfielder is he?
He's alot like McGinn from everything I can find, high energy, closes the ball fast and tries to move the ball forward fast.
Well, according to Dean, he can play as a 10, an 8 or a 6. Whatever the hell that means.
He's played out wide for Marseille at points too so can probably play anywhere across midfield. A right footed McGinn who's stats show him winning the ball higher up the field than what McGinn does. Useful to have someone so versatile as it can help to keep the squad size down whilst still having options and giving chance for the kids to come through.
Ross Barkley replacement, that can tackle.
Don’t think so. I’m no expert on Sanson, but I think Barkley is a different sort of player - one we definitely need.
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I hope it does not mean we will see less of Ramsay but i suppose no room for sentiment
He's only 19 though Hookey, he'll get his chance. If anything, it will hopefully mean that he's not rushed in when he's not ready. He should have a season long loan in the Championship next season.
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What type of midfielder is he?
He's alot like McGinn from everything I can find, high energy, closes the ball fast and tries to move the ball forward fast.
Well, according to Dean, he can play as a 10, an 8 or a 6. Whatever the hell that means.
He's played out wide for Marseille at points too so can probably play anywhere across midfield. A right footed McGinn who's stats show him winning the ball higher up the field than what McGinn does. Useful to have someone so versatile as it can help to keep the squad size down whilst still having options and giving chance for the kids to come through.
im with you there mate. Haven’t got a clue when people start talking about shirt numbers. If someone says oh he’s an 8 or a 10 or a 6, my mind just thinks Shaw, Cowans, Mortimer. If he’s as good as those three rolled into one, we’ll have some player on our hands. Look out Jack!
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I love the way he runs with the ball not afraid to take players on and he sores great goals like I've said before I'm exited by him.
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What type of midfielder is he?
He's alot like McGinn from everything I can find, high energy, closes the ball fast and tries to move the ball forward fast.
Well, according to Dean, he can play as a 10, an 8 or a 6. Whatever the hell that means.
He's played out wide for Marseille at points too so can probably play anywhere across midfield. A right footed McGinn who's stats show him winning the ball higher up the field than what McGinn does. Useful to have someone so versatile as it can help to keep the squad size down whilst still having options and giving chance for the kids to come through.
im with you there mate. Haven’t got a clue when people start talking about shirt numbers. If someone says oh he’s an 8 or a 10 or a 6, my mind just thinks Shaw, Cowans, Mortimer. If he’s as good as those three rolled into one, we’ll have some player on our hands. Look out Jack!
In our system:
Luiz is a 6, he sits deeper, breaks play up and gets us moving forward.
McGinn is an 8, he gets up and down the pitch and presses the ball.
Barkley is a 10, he stays fairly high up the pitch and his job is to link play between the midfield and Watkins.
That's massively over simplifying it but what he means is that he sees Sanson as being able to cover for all of those.
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I’ve just watched the obligatory YouTube mashup of him. Without wanting to fall into that particular trap, he looks pretty fkn decent. From that he looks to me more like a cross between Barkly and McGinn. Pacy, direct and an eye for goal. Listening to Smith’s pre Burnley comments it was interesting he said that we’ve now got options in terms of how we set up and there are different ways we can go about winning games. He referenced Newcastle saying it would’ve been easy to go gung ho, but the staff felt they needed to be first and foremost solid, which I guess was why they brought in Nakamba. Great to have that option if McGinn, or Ross aren’t available. Or even to displace them on merit. Bit of a tangent here, but what really struck me about The Newcastle match was how good the shape looked both in defence and attack. Nobody getting pulled out of position or marked out of the game. If he can slot in and help us keep that, we’ve got a decent chance of European qualification this season.
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What type of midfielder is he?
He's alot like McGinn from everything I can find, high energy, closes the ball fast and tries to move the ball forward fast.
Well, according to Dean, he can play as a 10, an 8 or a 6. Whatever the hell that means.
Morgan is.not a number he is a Freeman. Okay then he's a Number Six.
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What type of midfielder is he?
He's alot like McGinn from everything I can find, high energy, closes the ball fast and tries to move the ball forward fast.
Well, according to Dean, he can play as a 10, an 8 or a 6. Whatever the hell that means.
That he's an Even headed player and not an Odd ball :)
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STSABH? Is it actually done? It's not ITSOTP yet...
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Jesus Christmas mate, could you actually be any more condescending? I don't think it's possible.
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I think Deano should step aside and let Footy break the news to SJM. It'll be quicker that way.
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It's going to take time for Sanson to establish himself, and if as Footy predicts after putting the feelers out and doing some scouting, he does replace SJM, then we've got ourselves a very good player indeed.
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If you think Mcginn is all 'hustle and bustle' and lacks technical ability, you're going to shit yourself when you see footage of his goal against Sheff Wed.... or his first time assist for Jack's 7th against Livepool.
It's perfectly possible to believe Sanson is a better player than McGinn, without the need to denigrate him or where he was signed from (or for how much). SJM will likely be considered one of the best buys we've made in decades, his fee is of no consequence when it comes to his performances on the pitch - which apart from a spell coming back from injury have been largely very good, and often excellent.
If Sanson genuinely turns out to be an all round improvement on SJM, then great - but it won't be because McGinn is lacking as a player, it'll be because Sanson is just incredibly good.
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If all players were judged by their roots, then signing the likes of Dwight Yorke when touring Trinidad and Tobago was something that would never have been considered. Also Leicester obviously made a terrible mistake in signing Vardy from the non-league and Southampton shouldn't have taken Virgil Van Dijk from Celtic.
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If we were to sell McGinn now, it would be for considerably more than what we're paying for Sanson.
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I don't see why we need to sell anyone and why cannot also keep Barkley. If we are going to operate at the top end of the table and into Europe we need real depth and ability to rotate where the standard does not drop off. I say keep everyone and let them fight it out. We need to able to rest/rotate/challenge every player.
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I don't see why we need to sell anyone and why cannot also keep Barkley. If we are going to operate at the top end of the table and into Europe we need real depth and ability to rotate where the standard does not drop off. I say keep everyone and let them fight it out. We need to able to rest/rotate/challenge every player.
I agree, I was meaning purely based on footy's assessment of his worth based on original fee..
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I don't see why we need to sell anyone and why cannot also keep Barkley. If we are going to operate at the top end of the table and into Europe we need real depth and ability to rotate where the standard does not drop off. I say keep everyone and let them fight it out. We need to able to rest/rotate/challenge every player.
Exactly. Interesting though that in the pre-match press thing, Smith said one of the criteria they looked at for new players was "toughness" and playing at last 70% of matches for the last three years. Surely that would have ruled out Barkley?
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I don't see why we need to sell anyone and why cannot also keep Barkley. If we are going to operate at the top end of the table and into Europe we need real depth and ability to rotate where the standard does not drop off. I say keep everyone and let them fight it out. We need to able to rest/rotate/challenge every player.
Yeah, agree totally. Not sure he needs to be replacing a specific player. Players get injured, suspended, out of form. There's definitely a place for a player who can play in a few different roles.
As you'd said too, it's not as if your can compete on multiple fronts (e.g. europe) if you have 11 players playing 90% of games and then the other 14 just sitting out twiddling their fingers.
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I don't see why we need to sell anyone and why cannot also keep Barkley. If we are going to operate at the top end of the table and into Europe we need real depth and ability to rotate where the standard does not drop off. I say keep everyone and let them fight it out. We need to able to rest/rotate/challenge every player.
I agree, I was meaning purely based on footy's assessment of his worth based on original fee..
That Riyad Mahrez must be really crap then. Leicester got him from the French 2nd division for £400K.
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Here's a Marseille fans forum, they liked him.
Click the english translation in the top right hand corner (unless you can parlez vous francaise obviously).
https://forum.lephoceen.fr/threads/morgan-sanson-head-of-tourisme.75909/page-178
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I don't see why we need to sell anyone and why cannot also keep Barkley. If we are going to operate at the top end of the table and into Europe we need real depth and ability to rotate where the standard does not drop off. I say keep everyone and let them fight it out. We need to able to rest/rotate/challenge every player.
I agree, I was meaning purely based on footy's assessment of his worth based on original fee..
yep wasn't directed at you Mr D. Just a general comment that we need to have serious depth everywhere and we are slowly getting there. And especially if we get into the Europa which we all know is a long and taxing tournament
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Here's a Marseille fans forum, they liked him.
Click the english translation in the top right hand corner (unless you can parlez vous francaise obviously).
https://forum.lephoceen.fr/threads/morgan-sanson-head-of-tourisme.75909/page-178
Cheers for that. Seems to be a good egg who works hard on the pitch and doesn't cause much strife around off it. Also a bit of praise for Villa and Brum.
"Good choice anyway. Aston Villa are a great team if they keep Grealish and Douglas Luiz. Birmingham very beautiful city too. Anyway, good luck to him."
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Reading that Marseille forum he sounds very much like a French McGinn.
My favourite quote
"Good guy, fuck you Morgan"
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Not much to choose between Luiz, Barkley and McGinn this evening, as they were all miles below the standards they're capable of.
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After Ross struggled i think he needs ousting for Sanson!
Its good we have competition
Or McGinn. Let’s not ease him in gently. Play him Saturday
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Not much to choose between Luiz, Barkley and McGinn this evening, as they were all miles below the standards they're capable of.
Luiz was poor generally, and Barkley's passing is so wayward at times it becomes a liability.
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We've got Nakamaba who gave a good account of himself last match, and now Sanson to come in. Time for Smith to start showing the squad that any sloppy games and they're out.
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We still looked too open after we went 2-1 in front. Should've put Nakamba on to help combat their change in formation with the subs coming on.
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We've got Nakamaba who gave a good account of himself last match, and now Sanson to come in. Time for Smith to start showing the squad that any sloppy games and they're out.
That Newcastle game was a joke though with it's lack of intensity. Nakamba did well for sure but he's very limited. Barkley must be coming under pressure.
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We still looked too open after we went 2-1 in front. Should've put Nakamba on to help combat their change in formation with the subs coming on.
In hindsight, I agree and perhaps Smith might think the same for scenarios like that.
I thought Barkley and McGinn were excellent in the first half. That moment when McGinn was protecting the ball (like he does) and then next second playing a sublime through ball to Watkins blind showed that he's got a picture of the play in his head. In the first half there were a few instances where players had to have a picture in their head of where someone was. Really good understanding that comes from playing with the same people regularly.
In the second half, there was too much of a gap between the defence and the midfield and as a result, the defence weren't being protected well enough.
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We still looked too open after we went 2-1 in front. Should've put Nakamba on to help combat their change in formation with the subs coming on.
Agree, should have put Nakamba on for McGinn or Barkley and put Trezeguet on for Traore.
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Yep, make those two changes and gone 4-4-1-1. No need to bust a gut to get a third goal, just control the ball, control the game and take the pressure off the defence. Play out time and get them more frustrated thus leaving gaps at the back for Ollie and Jack to exploit.
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Heard a snippet on the radio earlier that he is available for tomorrow.
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Dean said so in his presser.
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Hadn’t realised that OM had been in such poor form, apparently 300 fans set about the training complex today and their league game has had to be called off.
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Let's hope he is as tough as our last Morgan ........Sammy
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Puzzled to why he received no game time for a home debut today ?
Expected to see him play some part.
In time I suspect.
He came on against West Ham in the last game.
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No need to rush him in. We had 6 games in 18 days, it was always going to be hectic. Time to have a proper look at him in the remaining games will come.
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It took Traore a few games of being on the bench before he got his chance, and I expect it will be the same for Sanson.
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Sign of a team on the up when you can ease a highly-rated new player in gradually.
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With games so finely balanced chucking a new player in isn’t always a good idea.
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With games so finely balanced chucking a new player in isn’t always a good idea.
Yes . Lingard never got that memo.
He was his total shite self today.
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It took Traore a few games of being on the bench before he got his chance, and I expect it will be the same for Sanson.
Yup.
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It took Traore a few games of being on the bench before he got his chance, and I expect it will be the same for Sanson.
Yup.
Yep
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Apparently the fee was €11m upfront for him with €4m due in the summer. An extra €3m in bonuses, depending on how well he does and we do.
Seems pretty reasonable.
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Indeed it does.
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No need to rush him in. We had 6 games in 18 days, it was always going to be hectic. Time to have a proper look at him in the remaining games will come.
6 games in 18 days is absolutely fucking insane, especially coming after the disruption and ill-health of a large scale covid outbreak.
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Apparently the fee was €11m upfront for him with €4m due in the summer. An extra €3m in bonuses, depending on how well he does and we do.
Seems pretty reasonable.
Purslow said we were quoted significantly more last summer when we approached them.
With what's going on at Marseille at the moment, he seems to have gotten out at the right time.
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No need to rush him in. We had 6 games in 18 days, it was always going to be hectic. Time to have a proper look at him in the remaining games will come.
6 games in 18 days is absolutely fucking insane, especially coming after the disruption and ill-health of a large scale covid outbreak.
Massively. Won 3, lost 3, with a bizarre result at Burnley and a dire performance against West Ham. Those two games and the results are likely a feature of that game every 3 days.
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Wouldn't be surprised to see him start instead of Barkley. Barkley's altercation with the drinks bottle gives DS an excuse to leave him on the bench, and bring him back on with 20mins left to redeem himself.
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When he brought Sanson on, it was as one of the holding midfield roles. When he's taken Barkley off, he's put Ramsey on. That says more to me as to where he sees him playing.
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When he brought Sanson on, it was as one of the holding midfield roles. When he's taken Barkley off, he's put Ramsey on. That says more to me as to where he sees him playing.
Yes it seems to be Marv for Doug, Morgan for SJM and Jacob for Ross
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Anyone notice that Purslow pronounced it as SonSon - we can definitely do SonSon amour I reckon when we are allowed back.
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This week will probably be the first time the squad have properly trained together for almost a month, so finally a chance to test Sanson and integrate him into team’s pattern of play and formations. He’ll need to be top six quality to be regularly picked ahead on the current midfield.
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Anyone notice that Purslow pronounced it as SonSon - we can definitely do SonSon amour I reckon when we are allowed back.
Very good!!
This week will probably be the first time the squad have properly trained together for almost a month, so finally a chance to test Sanson and integrate him into team’s pattern of play and formations. He’ll need to be top six quality to be regularly picked ahead on the current midfield.
Do you like the Beatles?
Well if he's still making subs appearances from the bench
Here comes Sanson do do do do
Here comes Sanson!
Hate the Beatles, Floppy haired scouse *****
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Now now!
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Anyone notice that Purslow pronounced it as SonSon - we can definitely do SonSon amour I reckon when we are allowed back.
Very good!!
This week will probably be the first time the squad have properly trained together for almost a month, so finally a chance to test Sanson and integrate him into team’s pattern of play and formations. He’ll need to be top six quality to be regularly picked ahead on the current midfield.
Do you like the Beatles?
Well if he's still making subs appearances from the bench
Here comes Sanson do do do do
Here comes Sanson!
Hate the Beatles, Floppy haired scouse *****
I like them, so this could prove a problem for us but I'm sure we can work it out.
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Well how about Cat Stevens?
Dean is like a Father to Sanson
It's not time to make a change
Just relax, next to O'Kelly and JT
You're still new, not your fault
I'm the boss- the head coach- Deano
Find a seat, settle down
If you want next to Ramsey
Look at him, He's not old, but he's happy
Conor was once like you are now
And I know we use Ross Barkley
So be calm and until you've found
"Sanson you're coming on"
But I'll wait my time, I think a lot
Think of all the games coming up
For you will still be here tomorrow
But Henri Lansbury is not
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Please, will somebody think of the children?
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Well how about Cat Stevens?
Dean is like a Father to Sanson
It's not time to make a change
Just relax, next to O'Kelly and JT
You're still new, not your fault
I'm the boss- the head coach- Deano
Find a seat, settle down
If you want next to Ramsey
Look at him, He's not old, but he's happy
Conor was once like you are now
And I know we use Ross Barkley
So be calm and until you've found
"Sanson you're coming on"
But I'll wait my time, I think a lot
Think of all the games coming up
For you will still be here tomorrow
But Henri Lansbury is not
Brilliant. (Sorry everyone).
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I like it.
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Haha, some of those lines are brilliant (and some don't scan at all) but by God, Footy Vill, there is a future for you and it's shining.
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Come back Glenn Peen, all is forgiven.
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Great stuff Mr Footy-Vill, keep 'em coming.
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I now have a 50 year old song that I never liked buzzing around my head which I'm not happy about.
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50? Come on Bren, weren't you slow-dancing to this at a disco in Erdington, 1986?
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I now have a 50 year old song that I never liked buzzing around my head which I'm not happy about.
Never mlnd that, when I heard that Mary Wilson had died, I had 'My Guy' stuck in my head until it dawned on me she didnt even sing it.
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Come back Glenn Peen, all is forgiven.
I take it that it didn't make you feel like cupping your slenders?
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I now have a 50 year old song that I never liked buzzing around my head which I'm not happy about.
Never mlnd that, when I heard that Mary Wilson had died, I had 'My Guy' stuck in my head until it dawned on me she didnt even sing it.
Ha. That happens . Where are you with 'My Girl' do you recognise it as a song by Madness or the Temptations?
When Dean Smith was asked he said the Temptations
Why ?
"Well I guess you'd say
Watkins makes me feel this way"
Later in the same interview when he was asked about the ill-feeling towards him from his previous club, he replied:
“I’ve got so much money,
The Bees envy me”.
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Sanson pour moi.
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Remixed from when we had Ryan Bertrand.
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Come back Glenn Peen, all is forgiven.
I take it that it didn't make you feel like cupping your slenders?
What a line that was, is and always will be.
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Well how about Cat Stevens?
Dean is like a Father to Sanson
It's not time to make a change
Just relax, next to O'Kelly and JT
You're still new, not your fault
I'm the boss- the head coach- Deano
Find a seat, settle down
If you want next to Ramsey
Look at him, He's not old, but he's happy
Conor was once like you are now
And I know we use Ross Barkley
So be calm and until you've found
"Sanson you're coming on"
But I'll wait my time, I think a lot
Think of all the games coming up
For you will still be here tomorrow
But Henri Lansbury is not
Genius
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Good cameo tonight. Brilliant first touch and then showed some really positive signs.
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Not sure why he got booked. Looks like he can hit the box as the advanced midfielder.
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A low bar was set in terms of energy and how the midfield was bypassed but he brought a lot of what was expected. Got into a scoring position too, if not for being marked by the Brighton player, a very good chance to have put that one away. It was one of the few highlights in the final third all night.
They may wish to ease him in as Traoré was but personally I’d be happy to see him start against Leicester.
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I put this in a match thread somewhere but I think it belongs here:
Sanson d'amour (ra da da da da)
Play encore
In Villa Park (ra da da da da)
Scores and more
Sanson d'amour (ra da da da da)
Je t'adore
Each time you score (ra da da da da)
Sanson, Sanson d'amour.
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Not sure why he got booked. Looks like he can hit the box as the advanced midfielder.
He got booked because the match was being refereed by an idiot.
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BE, can you confirm the phonetic translation of Sanson? The commentators so far are going with "Sonson" with an attempt at a French flourish but they sound stupid. SAN-son surely ?
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Not sure why he got booked. Looks like he can hit the box as the advanced midfielder.
He got booked because the match was being refereed by an idiot.
I didn't mind that, as the alternative was booking McGinn. Sanson really shouldn't be close to suspension given the number of games remaining.
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BE, can you confirm the phonetic translation of Sanson? The commentators so far are going with "Sonson" with an attempt at a French flourish but they sound stupid. SAN-son surely ?
If pronounced in French there is no unstressed syllable. If I were pronouncing it in Engerlish I would say it as I would 'Samson' but with an 'n' in place of the 'm'.
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A couple of nice touches from him against Brighton.
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Thank you, that's what I thought it was.
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Be nice if he’s got up to speed enough in training to warrant a start against Leicester
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Spoke to the the bloke I know who works down the Villa, for the first time in a couple of months, this week. He mentioned that Sanson was amazed at the facilities and the setup at Villa.
I thought that was some going as he’s moved, arguably, from the biggest club in France.
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BE, can you confirm the phonetic translation of Sanson? The commentators so far are going with "Sonson" with an attempt at a French flourish but they sound stupid. SAN-son surely ?
If pronounced in French there is no unstressed syllable. If I were pronouncing it in Engerlish I would say it as I would 'Samson' but with an 'n' in place of the 'm'.
I don’t know why, but I found this really funny.
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My former boss used it a lot for difficult Irish names (Aoife, Niamh, even Siobhan which I thought the Brits had a handle on by now).
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Neem, Shu-vorn. No idea with that first one. Ee-fee?
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Ee-fah according to Google.
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Ee-fah according to Google.
Correct, first one is Neev or Nieve (as is believe) and the third is more She-vawn.
How about Caoimhín, Aoibheann, or Eoghan?
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Keevah, Ahva, Owen?
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Keevah, Ahva, Owen?
Good try and Owen is correct. Eoghan and Seán are the Gaelic equivalents of John. First two are more Qwee-veen and Eh-veen (or A-veen).
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Keevah, Ahva, Owen?
Good try and Owen is correct. Eoghan and Seán are the Gaelic equivalents of John. First two are more Qwee-veen and Eh-veen (or A-veen).
I'm taking that as a win. Even though my name is Paddy.
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Ee-fah according to Google.
Correct, first one is Neev or Nieve (as is believe) and the third is more She-vawn.
How about Caoimhín, Aoibheann, or Eoghan?
Niamh is one I've struggled on in the past. Weirdly even after I found out it rhymed with leave (thanks to a kid's book)
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Our one-and-only granddaughter who is English born and bred has the name Aoife, I'd imagine that was her father's choice. I went with her mother when she was registered in Dudley. When DIL told the registrar her name, said registrar looked quizzically at her and said 'what kind of a name is that?. DIL replied 'Irish', the registrar then asked how was it spelt? She was told and then said 'i've never heard that in my life'.
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Ee-fah according to Google.
Correct, first one is Neev or Nieve (as is believe) and the third is more She-vawn.
How about Caoimhín, Aoibheann, or Eoghan?
Niamh is one I've struggled on in the past. Weirdly even after I found out it rhymed with leave (thanks to a kid's book)
That's a good way of explaining it, one to remember for future reference.
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Our one-and-only granddaughter who is English born and bred has the name Aoife, I'd imagine that was her father's choice.
Aoife is lovely name meaning beauty as is Cliodhna (Kleena) but my favourite is probably Sorcha.
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Despite my ancestry, Irish is a ridiculous language.
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Our one-and-only granddaughter who is English born and bred has the name Aoife, I'd imagine that was her father's choice.
Aoife is lovely name meaning beauty as is Cliodhna (Kleena) but my favourite is probably Sorcha.
Beautiful names. I particularly love the name Roisin.
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I have a cousin called Niamh.
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Sounds like how a Brummie would pronounce raisen.
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How's Morgan's Gaelic, I wonder?
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Despite my ancestry, Irish is a ridiculous language.
I know, I did Honours Irish so had to study it till I was 18. It is a bit mad to be fair, as I posted previously
Bean = woman (pronounced ban)
An bhean = the woman (pronounced van)
Mná = women (pronounced menAW)
Na mná = the women
Hataí ban = women's hats
Cumann na mBan = The Women's Council (mBan pronounced man)
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How's Morgan's Gaelic, I wonder?
Depends how much time he's spent in Brittany and whether he's learnt to speak some Breton.
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How's Morgan's Gaelic, I wonder?
Depends how much time he's spent in Brittany and whether he's learnt to speak some Breton.
What do you reckon? - born right in the middle of France, he debuted for Le Mans as a pro footballer, so he may have ventured into Brittany to practise his Gaelic ...
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Despite my ancestry, Irish is a ridiculous language.
I know, I did Honours Irish so had to study it till I was 18. It is a bit mad to be fair, as I posted previously
Bean = woman (pronounced ban)
An bhean = the woman (pronounced van)
Mná = women (pronounced menAW)
Na mná = the women
Hataí ban = women's hats
Cumann na mBan = The Women's Council (mBan pronounced man)
It sounds wonderful when spoken I think.
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Ee-fah according to Google.
Correct, first one is Neev or Nieve (as is believe) and the third is more She-vawn.
How about Caoimhín, Aoibheann, or Eoghan?
Niamh is one I've struggled on in the past. Weirdly even after I found out it rhymed with leave (thanks to a kid's book)
I meant "Neev", not sure why I typed "Neem". Stupid brain 😡
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How's Morgan's Gaelic, I wonder?
Depends how much time he's spent in Brittany and whether he's learnt to speak some Breton.
What do you reckon? - born right in the middle of France, he debuted for Le Mans as a pro footballer, so he may have ventured into Brittany to practise his Gaelic ...
Not sure, I'll have to check with eastie.
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Our one-and-only granddaughter who is English born and bred has the name Aoife, I'd imagine that was her father's choice.
Aoife is lovely name meaning beauty as is Cliodhna (Kleena) but my favourite is probably Sorcha.
Saoirse....
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The irish version of Conor is Conchubhar. You absolutely will not be able to work out how it's pronounced.
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Convar
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The irish version of Conor is Conchubhar. You absolutely will not be able to work out how it's pronounced.
Are you a Gearóid as well?
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Convar
Not a bad effort, but it's actually pronounced "cruh-hoor". I'm not sure how either.
Are you a Gearóid as well?
I am indeed.
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My former boss used it a lot for difficult Irish names (Aoife, Niamh, even Siobhan which I thought the Brits had a handle on by now).
I’d hope so by now, too. A few years ago I was having to grit my teeth and write yearly school reports for a child called Siobhan, spelt (her parents insisted) ‘Sibohan’.
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I think most football pundits and commentators should use for all names before a match. I watched an interview with Ayling of Leeds the other day and he even said his name during a story, the interviewer still pronounced it wrong.
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Convar
Not a bad effort, but it's actually pronounced "cruh-hoor". I'm not sure how either.
That's what I said... 😉
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How's Morgan's Gaelic, I wonder?
Depends how much time he's spent in Brittany and whether he's learnt to speak some Breton.
What do you reckon? - born right in the middle of France, he debuted for Le Mans as a pro footballer, so he may have ventured into Brittany to practise his Gaelic ...
Not sure, I'll have to check with eastie.
;D ;D
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Niamh is my sister's name. She winced every time someone tried introducing her in her first few years in London before embracing the puzzled pronunciations. I thought I had it bad in the UK with my name but Messrs Andrews and, more depressingly that tubby motor mouth Holmes, have unknowingly paved the way.
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We need to get Morgan more minutes. He shows energy, drive and presses the ball - something that is massively missing from the rest of our midfield at the moment.
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Yep, both him and Ramsey showed more in their brief cameos than the rest of the midfielders did the entire game
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He closed well. I think with McGinn as an 8 and Ramsey too, we have infinitely more off the ball running.
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We looked half decent for he short priod that he and Ramsey were on the pitch, definitely worth trying again from the start next week.
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I think it shows how far we have come in a short space of time that we have been able to make a big money signing and spend time integrating him with the squad / tactics rather than throwing him in to sink / swim as would have been the case in the last half a dozen January windows.
Little cameos we have seen he has looked v promising....wonder if Wednesday evening will be his first start.
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Good point.
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Really like him. He’s technically good, shows great energy and movement. He helped balance the midfield.
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Really like him. He’s technically good, shows great energy and movement. He helped balance the midfield.
I thought he was really good until he picked up his knock, the last 10mins before he went off he was clearly struggling and they should've got him off sooner.
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I thought he was all at sea for the first 20 mins but gradually worked his way into the game and became more influential as time went on
I was hopping mad when he was taken off until I realised why.
I like him.
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Thought he did very well. Look forward to seeing more from him,
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Is he any better than Ramsey?
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At this time absolutely yes.
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Thought he was stunted a little with the booking he picked up but he actually drove to the byline and got decent balls across a couple of times. More to come from him, I'm sure.
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He has two feet, which shouldn't be remarkable, but is.
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The midfield looks more robust with him, McGinn and Luiz. McGinn incparticular looked more creative (and destructive further up) with more mates around.
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Decent enough game today I thought, looks promising.
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I thought the same. Some nice touches and a willingness to get involved.
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Showed good energy. Thought he done well, was fuming with smith when he went off until I seen the ice wrapped around his knee.
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Me too. Hope nothing too serious. I like the look of him.
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For the first 15 mins he was invisible but grew really well.into the game to such a point that I was fuming when he came off, unaware of the injury.
I look forward to seeing him again.
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Looks like he could be a sound signing when he gets to the pace, there were a couple of times when he took the ball on the half turn in very tight spaces and spun away. A skill that indicates he has talent.
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Yes, very promising. Sure to start against Newcastle barring injury you would hope.
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He's just being eased in. We should see the best of him next season when he's had a full pre-season.
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Looks like he could be a sound signing when he gets to the pace, there were a couple of times when he took the ball on the half turn in very tight spaces and spun away. A skill that indicates he has talent.
Loads of potential, needs more game time. Looks a great signing
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Showed good energy. Thought he done well, was fuming with smith when he went off until I seen the ice wrapped around his knee.
Ankle, not knee!
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His numbers from yesterday's 61mins on the pitch:
47 touches of the ball and completed 82% of his passes, also winning seven of his nine ground duels and three tackles.
I think he's going to be a success.
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Saw this on internet today. Surely it's way too soon to be making this sort of judgement, but equally worrying if true:
https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-sanson-big-mistake-deal/
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Not sure I’d even believe the date on that website
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Saw this on internet today. Surely it's way too soon to be making this sort of judgement, but equally worrying if true:
https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-sanson-big-mistake-deal/
“Smith is under fire in some quarters of the club for letting Conor Hourihane join Swansea”. Hahaha - what a total load of made up bollocks this article is!
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A bit early to judge but I was hoping to see a bit more from him.
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Bloody hell give him a chance. I did, I still do think Conor is good enough for the bench, but come on
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What an absolute load of horse shite that article is.
FFS give the bloke a break. He’s been here since January in a team that’s underperforming and missing it’s best player.
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I’ve always thought he’s a signing for next season when he gets up to PL speed
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It’s fucking ridiculous to make any sort of judgement on him at this point.
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Saw this on internet today. Surely it's way too soon to be making this sort of judgement, but equally worrying if true:
https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-sanson-big-mistake-deal/
“Smith is under fire in some quarters of the club for letting Conor Hourihane join Swansea”. Hahaha - what a total load of made up bollocks this article is!
With the infrastructure in place at the club now, do you really think the issues outlined in this article are likely to have happened?
Certainly doesn't ring true for me.
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Everything about Sanson suggests to me that there was an opportunity to get him at a reduced price and the decision was made to buy him ahead of schedule.
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I think he has looked ok to be honest - some decent touches and a few errors.
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Everything about Sanson suggests to me that there was an opportunity to get him at a reduced price and the decision was made to buy him ahead of schedule.
Which is good if so.
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He does have a similar build to Conor. Slight, slim, tall but wiry. I just hope he's not going to be a passenger without the ball which is one of Conor's failings.
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He does have a similar build to Conor. Slight, slim, tall but wiry. I just hope he's not going to be a passenger without the ball which is one of Conor's failings.
He's definitely quicker, and appears quite a bit stronger. Right now, I'd say his performances have been ok. He's shown some nice touches, but there have been periods where the games have completely passed him by, which is worrying for a CM. I put that all down to acclimatising to the new league and new players around him. I've certainly seen enough to think he's got what it takes to play in the Premier League - whether he's a proper asset for a team with one eye on the top 4, the jury is out I guess.
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Everything about Sanson suggests to me that there was an opportunity to get him at a reduced price and the decision was made to buy him ahead of schedule.
Purslow has said as much in an interview.
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He’s French. This never ends well at the Villa. Even Didier Six’s early promise wasn’t sustained. (G Sinstadt c1987).
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He’s French. This never ends well at the Villa. Even Didier Six’s early promise wasn’t sustained. (G Sinstadt c1987).
God knows where that video ended up, sure I had one the one's they'd put the Burnley team on the front of. Can't find it online either, Villaboy has snippets of it.
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Everything about Sanson suggests to me that there was an opportunity to get him at a reduced price and the decision was made to buy him ahead of schedule.
Which is good if so.
It is. With the caveat...if he's any good.
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He’s French. This never ends well at the Villa. Even Didier Six’s early promise wasn’t sustained. (G Sinstadt c1987).
God knows where that video ended up, sure I had one the one's they'd put the Burnley team on the front of. Can't find it online either, Villaboy has snippets of it.
I remember thinking and being excited by that exotic signing at the time
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Great first cross in first game for Withe against Manure. Followed by typically non plussed sulky celebration.
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Not getting my juices flowing this lad
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Is he a bit physically weak?
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Not sure Eamon but him and Barkley of a similar parity at present
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Looks a bit of a nothing player.
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It's early days and he does need to adapt from the French League to this one but finding it hard to see so far what Villa's-Boas was so upset about his transfer that he provoking his own sacking.
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Bland.
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Everyone is bland right now. Why pick him out? If we were playing well he would be. But since Jack has been out, the defence aside the rest of them look absolutely awful. Sanson isn’t the type of player to change all of that
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Not sure he’s got anything in his locker other than bland. Some of his colleagues have but keeping it under lock and key at present.
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Beige player. Hope he gets better.
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Here we go again.
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He will be fine, I have no doubts.
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Not the only one but he was miles off the pace yet again.
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He's always been a signing with one eye on next season for me with these games giving him a chance to get a feel for what the Premier League is about.
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I just can't see what sort of player he's going to be. He looks neat and tidy, but doesn't do enough dirty work to be a box-to-box or defensive midfielder, and isn't attacking enough to to be a more forward thinking player. Hope he comes good, but so far hasn't shown that he's especially good in any particular area.
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I thought he did ok today actually but yeah, it's difficult to work out what exactly his role is
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McGinn as the attacking midfielder with this guy as sub. He's definitely a defensive mid in any shape or form.
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I just can't see what sort of player he's going to be. He looks neat and tidy, but doesn't do enough dirty work to be a box-to-box or defensive midfielder, and isn't attacking enough to to be a more forward thinking player. Hope he comes good, but so far hasn't shown that he's especially good in any particular area.
Bought to compete with McGinn (and Barkley) we were told. As we saw with the likes of Gueye and Veretout, the step up in intensity from French football to the PL is a big one. Sanson needs a hard pre season in him to be able to compete physically at PL level, half a yard short at the moment. I'm more worried about Luiz to be honest. Diabolical yet again today.
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I just can't see what sort of player he's going to be. He looks neat and tidy, but doesn't do enough dirty work to be a box-to-box or defensive midfielder, and isn't attacking enough to to be a more forward thinking player. Hope he comes good, but so far hasn't shown that he's especially good in any particular area.
Bought to compete with McGinn (and Barkley) we were told. As we saw with the likes of Gueye and Veretout, the step up in intensity from French football to the PL is a big one. Sanson needs a hard pre season in him to be able to compete physically at PL level, half a yard short at the moment. I'm more worried about Luiz to be honest. Diabolical yet again today.
Very good observation, totally on point.
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I just can't see what sort of player he's going to be. He looks neat and tidy, but doesn't do enough dirty work to be a box-to-box or defensive midfielder, and isn't attacking enough to to be a more forward thinking player. Hope he comes good, but so far hasn't shown that he's especially good in any particular area.
Bought to compete with McGinn (and Barkley) we were told. As we saw with the likes of Gueye and Veretout, the step up in intensity from French football to the PL is a big one. Sanson needs a hard pre season in him to be able to compete physically at PL level, half a yard short at the moment. I'm more worried about Luiz to be honest. Diabolical yet again today.
Yes that is my view and it’s the reason he didn’t feature except from the bench earlier. He’s getting a look now because of Grealish’s injury but it’s obvious there’s a way to go yet. As for Luiz he’s another player who was outstanding IMO before COVID but shocking since
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Gets the ball and drives forward well. Probably a bit of a cliche but just needs to get used to the pace of the game over here. He will be fine.
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He looks well off the pace and lightweight.
Let’s hope he adjusts.
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Far too early to make any judgement. I think he'll turn out to be quite good eventually, seems like a Veretout sort of player.
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Look at how well Jordan Veretout, Idrissa Gueye and to a slightly lesser extent Jordan Amavi’s career turned out. I was listening to Gab Marcotti raving about Veretout the other day as being one of the most influential players for Roma. Players can take time to adjust to a new way of life, new club, system. Lots of things. It’s safer and sometimes a little quicker but always more expensive buying domestically. You just have to wait a little longer for the pay off with players from other countries. He’s proven himself to be a good player in France. I’m looking forward to seeing him maximize his potential for us.
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He looks well off the pace and lightweight.
Let’s hope he adjusts.
Very good observation, totally on point.
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He looks well off the pace and lightweight.
Let’s hope he adjusts.
Very good observation, totally on point.
Post of the week.
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Too early to judge
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Too early to judge
Yup. Games this season are all useful for experience/embedding and then he can really start to contribute next season.
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Maybe expecations are a bit high? £15.5million for a French player in his mid-twenties suggests we bought a squad player. We need those too.
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He needs time to adjust to this intense League. No pre-season withus at all. Still early days. Time to judge will be next season.
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Maybe expecations are a bit high? £15.5million for a French player in his mid-twenties suggests we bought a squad player. We need those too.
Don't forget this is around half the price it should have been if not for the French League problems.
Once he adjusts to the speed of this league I believe he will be a good addition.
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I've seen enough from him to know he's got the ability to play - comfortably - in the Premier League. Yes, he's looked a bit off the pace at times, but that all feels to me like getting up to speed, especially considering he seems the sort of player who often moves WITH the ball in midfield, rather than just moving the ball itself.
I'm not sure he's going to become an automatic first-choice, a la Jack, Ollie, Ezri and Emi, but I'm very confident he'll be better next season and our squad will be stronger as a result.
Add in a top-quality CM marquee -igning over the summer and we'll have very healthy competition in that position. I thought that signing was going to be Barkley, but it's not worked out that way.
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I've seen enough from him to know he's got the ability to play - comfortably - in the Premier League. Yes, he's looked a bit off the pace at times, but that all feels to me like getting up to speed, especially considering he seems the sort of player who often moves WITH the ball in midfield, rather than just moving the ball itself.
I'm not sure he's going to become an automatic first-choice, a la Jack, Ollie, Ezri and Emi, but I'm very confident he'll be better next season and our squad will be stronger as a result.
Add in a top-quality CM marquee -igning over the summer and we'll have very healthy competition in that position. I thought that signing was going to be Barkley, but it's not worked out that way.
Smith said something yesterday about Barkley still getting back to full fitness. We've played more than half a season since he came back from his hamstring injury.
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Agree with that, he's tidy, in a new country, in a pandemic and plying his trade in the toughest league in the world.
I'm hopeful and think it was a bargain price.
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I think Sanson has shown he can run and pass the ball well, he just isn't up to intensity/pace of the league yet. He did admit as much in a French newspaper article a few weeks back i seem to recall someone quoting?
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Yes, he said he was surprised at the intensity of training and the amount of work you have to put in. He thought they worked hard at OM but is finding the PL to be on another level.
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Thanks BE, knew i hadn't imagined it.
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Like a few others, I'd assumed he was a signing for next season. He's looked decent enough from what I've seen if him to think that, given a full preseason plus 6 months of getting used to the pace, he'll be a bit of a bargain.
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Thought he looked better yesterday. Few speedy bursts with the ball which showed what he could do next season.
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I like him, never scared to receive the ball and is always looking up and seeing what's around him. He gets caught out sometimes because he's not used to how quickly the space disappears but I've seen enough to suggest he's learning and will be a good part of the squad next year.
I'd still like to see someone a bit more physical in there though to be a bit o an enforcer when the likes of Sanson are being bullied.
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I like him, never scared to receive the ball and is always looking up and seeing what's around him. He gets caught out sometimes because he's not used to how quickly the space disappears but I've seen enough to suggest he's learning and will be a good part of the squad next year.
I'd still like to see someone a bit more physical in there though to be a bit o an enforcer when the likes of Sanson are being bullied.
Yeah, we need a Jedinak that can play.
I like the lad Bissouma at Brighton.
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I like him, never scared to receive the ball and is always looking up and seeing what's around him. He gets caught out sometimes because he's not used to how quickly the space disappears but I've seen enough to suggest he's learning and will be a good part of the squad next year.
I'd still like to see someone a bit more physical in there though to be a bit o an enforcer when the likes of Sanson are being bullied.
Yeah, we need a Jedinak that can play.
I like the lad Bissouma at Brighton.
Yes he does stand out , but don’t we have a lad in the under 23s who is near the first team ? Chukwuemeka?
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I like him, never scared to receive the ball and is always looking up and seeing what's around him. He gets caught out sometimes because he's not used to how quickly the space disappears but I've seen enough to suggest he's learning and will be a good part of the squad next year.
I'd still like to see someone a bit more physical in there though to be a bit o an enforcer when the likes of Sanson are being bullied.
Yeah, we need a Jedinak that can play.
I like the lad Bissouma at Brighton.
Yes he does stand out , but don’t we have a lad in the under 23s who is near the first team ? Chukwuemeka?
He needs a couple of seasons to get there, a year out on loan to the championship and then a season as an understudy getting minutes off the bench, he's only just turned 18 so it'd be a big step up for him to come in and do that job. I do think he's going to be a top player though.
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Yes, he really is!
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...he's only just turned 18 so it'd be a big step up for him to come in and do that job. I do think he's going to be a top player though.
Bellingham is how old?
You're probably right about Chuk's development path, but age is not the determinant.
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Think Kessler and Chukweumeka will be involved as they sound ready. Loan a couple more out.
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...he's only just turned 18 so it'd be a big step up for him to come in and do that job. I do think he's going to be a top player though.
Bellingham is how old?
You're probably right about Chuk's development path, but age is not the determinant.
17
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I wouldn't compare every 17/18 year old with Bellingham. Players develop at different rates, both mentally and physically. Bellingham is a rare one that looks ready at 17
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I wouldn't compare every 17/18 year old with Bellingham. Players develop at different rates, both mentally and physically. Bellingham is a rare one that looks ready at 17
Yes that's right, Gareth Barry and Wayne Rooney were the same. Some young lads that age look good against against other kids, but it's rare that you can take one out and plonk them in straight in the full team.
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One thing is certain. If they dont get a chance we will never know.
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The Noses didn’t really have much of a choice with Bellingham. He was a standout player and at that level he was good enough to be introduced. I don’t know for sure had he been at a PL club he would have got the chance because clubs are a lot more cautious in blooding younger players. Also the stakes are so much higher in terms of results and impact on young players that there is a greater hesitancy in doing that. But he’s clearly a top player in the making. Every fan at every club wants to see their top younger academy talent emerge that way.
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+ 1 for Bissouma. He'll have plenty of suitors though.
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...he's only just turned 18 so it'd be a big step up for him to come in and do that job. I do think he's going to be a top player though.
Bellingham is how old?
You're probably right about Chuk's development path, but age is not the determinant.
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Yes, my question was rhetorical.
Age is not a key determinant; was my point.
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Bellingham and Rooney were physically developed well beyond their years. It doesn't strike me that Chukweumeka is, so I think he'll probably remain a slow burner.
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My point wasn't so much that he was too young but more that we don't need to force it, he's got 2-3 years to slowly break through and have a 'normal' career.
Take Phil Foden for example, he's been touted as one of the best young players in the country for a few years but it's really in the last 12 months that he's nailed down a regular spot in the team and he turns 21 next month.
I'd like to see our kids given that same time to slowly integrate into the squad and develop into playing regularly. The next stage is to get them some senior appearances, either as cameos from the bench with us or out on loan. What gives me hope is that how we're handling Jacob Ramsey is exactly how I want to see players come through.
Bellingham has done well and looks a fantastic prospect but you can't avoid the fact that the main reason he came through when he did was that the first team at Blues are fucking shit so it wasn't much of a gamble to throw him in. We're looking to break into the top 6 in the hardest league in the world next season, that's a very different environment to bring young players into.
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Against that is the fact that any youngster playing for us during the rest of the season can do so knowing that any mistake he might make won't potentially cost us £100 million.
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Against that is the fact that any youngster playing for us during the rest of the season can do so knowing that any mistake he might make won't potentially cost us £100 million.
Absolutely, I think now is the right time to give a few of these lads a game or 2 I just think expecting Chukwuemeka to play 25-30 games in the first team next season would be rushing him along when we don't need to. If he's good enough that he earns that many appearances then fantastic but I don't think we should be expecting that.
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One player I would be introducing right now is Kesler Hayden over Elmo. Love Elmo but he will be gone in the summer.
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One player I would be introducing right now is Kesler Hayden over Elmo. Love Elmo but he will be gone in the summer.
I agree, I don't see any reason to have Elmo in the match day squad for the rest of the season unless Cash gets injured. I'd be tempted to give Philogene-Bidace and Chukwuemeka time on the bench ahead of Barkley and AEG for a few games as well. Maybe even Chrisene ahead of Taylor a couple of times.
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Agree with all of those, if the time is right.
What about Aaron Ramsey?
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Agree with all of those, if the time is right.
What about Aaron Ramsey?
only 17 at the moment
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One player I would be introducing right now is Kesler Hayden over Elmo. Love Elmo but he will be gone in the summer.
I agree, I don't see any reason to have Elmo in the match day squad for the rest of the season unless Cash gets injured. I'd be tempted to give Philogene-Bidace and Chukwuemeka time on the bench ahead of Barkley and AEG for a few games as well. Maybe even Chrisene ahead of Taylor a couple of times.
From a football development perspective, I absolutely agree. Though in terms of game management, Elmo is a seasoned pro that does not us down.
We might be 2-1 up at Anfield tomorrow and Cash gets injured with 15 minutes left. I think Kesler is a fantastic prospect, but I would be happier to see Elmo replace Cash in those circumstances to secure another rare win versus Red Scouse.
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Has DS just dropped Sanson out of the match day squad completely or is he injured? Doesn't look good if he's deemed not good enough. Hopefully he's not getting the Guilbert treatment! Villa's track record with French signings isn't the best.
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He has a knee injury.
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Has DS just dropped Sanson out of the match day squad completely or is he injured? Doesn't look good if he's deemed not good enough. Hopefully he's not getting the Guilbert treatment! Villa's track record with French signings isn't the best.
No, he’s injured.
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Sanson will be our 11th French player and there seems to be a curse, or should I say, 'malediction', on French Villa players.
The previous ten are Agathe, Amavi, Berson, Cissokho, Ginola, Guilbert, N'Zogbia, Pirès, Six, Veretout.
All flops for one reason or another, with the possible exception of Guilbert - but even he doesn't seem to be fancied at all by Smith. Even French speaking players from other countries (such as Makoun, Sylla and Senderos) haven't worked out. Kodjia was probably the exception as he did at least have one very, very good season.
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No one saying , if only Sanson was fit.
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Didier Six was ok in my opinion
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Didier Six was ok in my opinion
Six had a great debut against Man Utd. Then he faded and produced anonymous performances. He was useless really. However this was before the foreign influx so I wouldn’t think the club handled integrating that well either back then.
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Didier Six was ok in my opinion
Six had a great debut against Man Utd. Then he faded and produced anonymous performances. He was useless really. However this was before the foreign influx so I wouldn’t think the club handled integrating that well either back then.
That debut was fucking great, though. I was at that match.
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Best debut til Carbone? Best hair til Benni, too.
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Didier Six was ok in my opinion
Six had a great debut against Man Utd. Then he faded and produced anonymous performances. He was useless really. However this was before the foreign influx so I wouldn’t think the club handled integrating that well either back then.
That debut was fucking great, though. I was at that match.
And me, I thought we'd really got ourselves a diamond. Wrong again!
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Based on reputation Ginola was the biggest flop.
I know he was old when we got him but he'd actually been voted PFA player of the year in 98/99 season and basically Spurs version of Jack back then and we signed him the following summer but with Merson in the team still the balance didn't really work and it was an Ellis signing in any case, John Gregory never wanted him.
Can actually remember popping down to VP for the press conference, were thousands there and he turned up with Alpay (who no-one had heard of at that point) with Ellis driving them in his Rolls Royce.
Was all very Newcastle esque in the lower Witton that day:
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/aston-villa-new-signing-david-ginola-faces-the-press-at-news-photo/1023565
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I have no recollection of that reception. I'll resist the urge to hang it on my wall for £375.
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That 2000-01 season was my first year at Aberystwyth uni, and along with Villa, Man Utd, Arsenal, Leeds and Everton supporting housemates we went to a lot of home games, which were around a 6 hour round trip.
I particularly remember wins against Ipswich, Everton, and the last home game against Coventry when Ginola played great. Also a 2-2 draw against West Ham where he scored a great free kick. I always liked him.
Saying that, I remember him getting sent off at home to Leicester the season after...don't think Gregory liked him much and that was that for his Villa career.
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I have no recollection of that reception. I'll resist the urge to hang it on my wall for £375.
Haha yes only realised it wasn't just a stock image but something you could actually buy to stick on the wall! Bet Doug took the small size and tried to barter the price down from 150 quid to 15 quid!
Alpay had a Makoun style jumper looking back:
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/new-aston-villa-signings-alpay-ozalan-and-david-ginola-meet-news-photo/650895608
Not sure why there was such a turnout for a signing as can only recall day O'Neill was appointed getting that sort of buzz outside VP but then Ginola did have a massive reputation at the time and everyone was still depressed after the cup final performance.
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Alpay was a strange one for us. He was brilliant for a season and then the World Cup semi went to his head.
I always thought he could do a job for the Swiss tourist board, specialising in Scottish visitors. But these people never listen to me.
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That 2000-01 season was my first year at Aberystwyth uni, and along with Villa, Man Utd, Arsenal, Leeds and Everton supporting housemates we went to a lot of home games, which were around a 6 hour round trip.
I particularly remember wins against Ipswich, Everton, and the last home game against Coventry when Ginola played great. Also a 2-2 draw against West Ham where he scored a great free kick. I always liked him
Up to the wretched form from August 2010 onwards I always found that the most boring season by a mile from my first 12 years or so of watching us.
All I can really remember from that season from the home games was the great Nilis volley v Chelsea and relegating Coventry in the final match, have no clue for most of the other results that season due to how dull it all was (compared to say 99-00 when there were loads of good games from December onwards).
Most of that squad wanted to leave that season and Gregory went into ultra defensive mode on the pitch and looking at table we plodded to 8th so was as non-descript as you can get in those days.
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You might be right mate, but I'd just turned 18 and started going regularly. We had Merson and Ginola, plus Joachim and Hendrie, and that was enough for me, haha. It was players like Steve Stone who bored me. We were pretty defensive though, you're right.
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Yeah....I was errr 11. And had hair (so Steve Stone 20 years later.....). In the previous 5 years we'd won a cup, had a really good european run, topped the league for half a season and reached the FA cup final so 00/01 was a complete borefest to me and probably in long run that's when we started to decline from top 6 club into one just treading water in mid table and massively lacking ambition.
Actually there's another game I've remembered from that season looking at soccerbase, wasn't the Celta Vigo game played in Smethwick and had that terrible ref in charge who blew up 5 minutes early?! Easily the worst ref performance I've ever seen live and think UEFA took him off the list 24 hours later and he was never heard of again.
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Updated on Twitter along the lines of
“Bad news about my injury which will take a little longer than expected.
See you next season guys.. and trust me: Stronger than ever!!”
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Though he's been not yet been involved pre season after his knee injury it's been a while since he's played
Looking forward to seeing him in the midfield again and once fully fit will add the pressing and energy to winning the ball high up the pitch which we lacked with Barkley presence in the team and ability to do that.
I think there's some flexibility there but who can play left side of the 2 in the middle as an 8 as I think that's where he'll be chiefly deployed alongside McGinn.
I know he's a player who could also do the '10' role and even at the pivot or double pivot of the deep lying or DM role.
Unfortunately having the set back of being injured has denied us of his talents but like to think he was signed on the idea to enhance the midfield with what he offers.
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Any update on his injury? He's been out for a long time now and it's a big blow that he's missing pre-season.
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Another rip-roaring French success! We've had very little luck there so far.
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Another rip-roaring French success! We've had very little luck there so far.
Yeah, given the talent they've been pumping out for the best part of 30 years you'd have thought we'd have a little success in that field, but c'est la vie.
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Mange tout Rodney
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Let's not forget that when he signed the club talked about him being signed early and he's only had about 3 games worth of time on the pitch for us so far.
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He'll be good for us, just needs to get fit etc. He'll be particularly useful when w go on our European sojourns.
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He'll be good for us, just needs to get fit etc. He'll be particularly useful when w go on our European sojourns.
As an interpreter?
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Let's not forget that when he signed the club talked about him being signed early and he's only had about 3 games worth of time on the pitch for us so far.
Yeah, I'm taking it that we've signed him for this season, and that last season was mainly about getting him settled in to the area and embedded in the team.
I'm still pretty hopeful that he'll turn out to be an excellent signing for us. Our recruitment over the past couple of seasons has been far more 'hit' than 'miss' IMO, so I'd not be too worried if a player from abroad doesn't hit the ground running straight away - particularly given the global situation at the moment, which can't be helping in that respect.
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He'll be good for us, just needs to get fit etc. He'll be particularly useful when w go on our European sojourns.
The trouble that he and Wesley have is that the club isn't standing still, and so while it may be bad luck due to injury, their way back might be impaired by just having more players in front of them.
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I didn't think Jean II Makoun was that bad - not sure he was ever given a proper chance.
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He'll be good for us, just needs to get fit etc. He'll be particularly useful when w go on our European sojourns.
The trouble that he and Wesley have is that the club isn't standing still, and so while it may be bad luck due to injury, their way back might be impaired by just having more players in front of them.
Is think that's true of Wesley, but probably not Sanson.
If we were shopping around today, rather than when we actually bought them, would we buy Wesley? Probably not. Would we buy Sanson? Probably. The club has moved on since we bought Wesley, but I'd argue we're much the same club we were when Sanson signed (in fact, we were 8th in the league when we signed him, having just beat Newcastle 2-0, with games in hand and still dreaming on an unlikely European spot)
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Sanson was a purchase a few rungs above Wesley. He wasn't a let's see what he might develop onto, he was/is a genuine CL level midfielder. Whether he adapts to the Premier League is another matter, but that is a question of any foreign player coming into English football.
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I think he has a lot of quality, but needs 15-20 games to find his feet. Unfortunately he has been injured a lot. Last summer he was £25m plus being quoted by West Ham, so I think in time it will still be a bargain.
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Sanson was a purchase a few rungs above Wesley. He wasn't a let's see what he might develop onto, he was/is a genuine CL level midfielder. Whether he adapts to the Premier League is another matter, but that is a question of any foreign player coming into English football.
Sanson matches played in the Champions League - 6
Wesley games played in the Champions League - 11
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Whats wrong with him?
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Hope it works out
seemed a bit lightweight when he played
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It’s a little bit unfair to write him off yet.
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It’s a little bit unfair to write him off yet.
But some will.
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Sanson was a purchase a few rungs above Wesley. He wasn't a let's see what he might develop onto, he was/is a genuine CL level midfielder. Whether he adapts to the Premier League is another matter, but that is a question of any foreign player coming into English football.
Sanson matches played in the Champions League - 6
Wesley games played in the Champions League - 11
Really? Were any of them group-stage for Wesley? Must have been a big step-up from the Belgian league.
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Sanson was a purchase a few rungs above Wesley. He wasn't a let's see what he might develop onto, he was/is a genuine CL level midfielder. Whether he adapts to the Premier League is another matter, but that is a question of any foreign player coming into English football.
Sanson matches played in the Champions League - 6
Wesley games played in the Champions League - 11
Marseille were more in the Europa League during Sanson's time, played in a Europa League final. As did Bertie.
Both were in need of a hard pre season so it's a worry if Sanson still hasnt recovered from his injury.
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It’s a little bit unfair to write him off yet.
But some will.
It would indeed be unfair to write him off already, BUT we do have a curse with French players. Even if Zidane had signed for us in 2000 I reckon something would have gone wrong ...
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It’s a little bit unfair to write him off yet.
But some will.
It would indeed be unfair to write him off already, BUT we do have a curse with French players. Even if Zidane had signed for us in 2000 I reckon something would have gone wrong ...
Didier Six was ok for a bit
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Hopefully I'm wrong as I saw him play a few games for Marseille and was impressed when we signed him but he dosen't half have the air of forgotten man dosen't he?
Where are the updates on his fitness for a start from DS and Shakey? When Trez got injured we instantly got out until 2022 line and same for Heaton and Wesley. Instead when Sans last played in I think late March there was little other than a few weeks recovery....and four months on he still isn't even in full training.
Just a bit odd for me. I suspect DS has seen enough already to conclude he can't seriously challenge Luiz, McGinn or perhaps even Ramsey for place in 11 and so just like Gulibert and Engels going to be a struggle for him to get games.
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Hopefully I'm wrong as I saw him play a few games for Marseille and was impressed when we signed him but he dosen't half have the air of forgotten man dosen't he?
Where are the updates on his fitness for a start from DS and Shakey? When Trez got injured we instantly got out until 2022 line and same for Heaton and Wesley. Instead when Sans last played in I think late March there was little other than a few weeks recovery....and four months on he still isn't even in full training.
Just a bit odd for me. I suspect DS has seen enough already to conclude he can't seriously challenge Luiz, McGinn or perhaps even Ramsey for place in 11 and so just like Gulibert and Engels going to be a struggle for him to get games.
Not disagreeing with you, but if we get 1 or 2 injuries, then a fit Sanson becomes an important player.
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The next samatta for me where i edoect he wilk be gone in next 12 months
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Not writing him off at all given how a lot of our signings looked much better the following season, but from the little I actually saw of him, he looked bang average. He was a decent bet for a booking when he came on though, won a few quid.
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I didn't realise he was still injured
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It’s a little bit unfair to write him off yet.
But some will.
It would indeed be unfair to write him off already, BUT we do have a curse with French players. Even if Zidane had signed for us in 2000 I reckon something would have gone wrong ...
Didier Six was ok for a bit
The first half of that Man Utd game.
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Christ on a bike. Give the guy time - he should be worth another full season and will be a useful back up if he fails to gain a place in the starting 11.
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Step forward Sanson. Show us what you have here
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poor old Morgan with all the outgoings and incomings he seems to have become the forgotten man
making no ones hypothetical starting line ups
not seen enough of him yet but you never know he could be important member of the team if he finds his feet
we tracked him for long enough
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Given the number 8 shirt according to the OS.
Not sure that really means much these days but to me it looks like he is in the plans for this season.
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Christ on a bike. Give the guy time - he should be worth another full season and will be a useful back up if he fails to gain a place in the starting 11.
Yeah, think it should work OK for him really. Last season, he came straight in and there was pressure on him given we had others missing at the time. He should be able to be eased back in this season without that pressure on him and hopefully he will go from there. Same with Wesley really.
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He'll be the best number 8 we've had since our player of the season 2011/12, Stefan Irlande.
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He'll be the best number 8 we've had since our player of the season 2011/12, Stefan Irlande.
I am trying to think who was the last number 8 we had prior to Sanson? Hourihane?
Edit:he was 14...
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Last one was Lansbury, prior to him we had Carroll, Tishbola, Gueye, Al Ahmadi, Cleverly and Jenas.
Last actual decent number 8 was Milner
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Interesting if he is given the 8. Shows faith in him, and is perhaps why the creative players we may be looking at (Cantwell etc) are more 10s than 8s. Would like him to come good, I really would.
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Last one was Lansbury, prior to him we had Carroll, Tishbola, Gueye, Al Ahmadi, Cleverly and Jenas.
Last actual decent number 8 was Milner
Lansbury of Luton Town? Angela's Ashes...
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He'll be the best number 8 we've had since our player of the season 2011/12, Stefan Irlande.
I am trying to think who was the last number 8 we had prior to Sanson? Hourihane?
I think Conor was always number 14.
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Last one was Lansbury, prior to him we had Carroll, Tishbola, Gueye, Al Ahmadi, Cleverly and Jenas.
Last actual decent number 8 was Milner
Shocking - I had to google to check which "Carroll" has played with no 8 for us - I now see who, but still can't remember him, and I saw almost every game in the Championship
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Last one was Lansbury, prior to him we had Carroll, Tishbola, Gueye, Al Ahmadi, Cleverly and Jenas.
Last actual decent number 8 was Milner
Shocking - I had to google to check which "Carroll" has played with no 8 for us - I now see who, but still can't remember him, and I saw almost every game in the Championship
His spell here was very brief and very forgettable.
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Played for 16 minutes at Reading (0-0), and 19 minutes in the 4-0 win against Derby.
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Played for 16 minutes at Reading (0-0), and 19 minutes in the 4-0 win against Derby.
Ah - yes that was when I went up to open new beers, so I missed his season.
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Anybody know what his injury problem is as it seems to be dragging on
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Anybody know what his injury problem is as it seems to be dragging on
Been pictured in training this week so it looks like he's nearly back.
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Anybody know what his injury problem is as it seems to be dragging on
Been pictured in training this week so it looks like he's nearly back.
That's really good news.
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It's a bugger that he's missed pre-season. Could have done with him being involved in the friendlies, getting him integrated into the team.
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It's a bugger that he's missed pre-season. Could have done with him being involved in the friendlies, getting him integrated into the team.
Will get sub minutes and start in league cup you'd imagine.
Can't see anything but Nakamba-McGinn-Buendia being the middle trio for Watford (Ollie and Bailey will play out wide).
Annoying the Sevilla game got cancelled so we can't test out the combination v top class european team.
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It's a bugger that he's missed pre-season. Could have done with him being involved in the friendlies, getting him integrated into the team.
Will get sub minutes and start in league cup you'd imagine.
Can't see anything but Nakamba-McGinn-Buendia being the middle trio for Watford (Ollie and Bailey will play out wide).
Annoying the Sevilla game got cancelled so we can't test out the combination v top class european team.
For me Ollie has to be ok about that. For such a talent who was fantastic for us and deservedly earnt England recognition as a No.9 you can't expect him to make way for Ings unless he is onboard with it. If not the situation has to be carefully managed.
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It's a bugger that he's missed pre-season. Could have done with him being involved in the friendlies, getting him integrated into the team.
Will get sub minutes and start in league cup you'd imagine.
Can't see anything but Nakamba-McGinn-Buendia being the middle trio for Watford (Ollie and Bailey will play out wide).
Annoying the Sevilla game got cancelled so we can't test out the combination v top class european team.
For me Ollie has to be ok about that. For such a talent who was fantastic for us and deservedly earnt England recognition as a No.9 you can't expect him to make way for Ings unless he is onboard with it. If not the situation has to be carefully managed.
Is Bailey even here yet? I can’t see him starting at Watford with such limited time for training.
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It's a bugger that he's missed pre-season. Could have done with him being involved in the friendlies, getting him integrated into the team.
Will get sub minutes and start in league cup you'd imagine.
Can't see anything but Nakamba-McGinn-Buendia being the middle trio for Watford (Ollie and Bailey will play out wide).
Annoying the Sevilla game got cancelled so we can't test out the combination v top class european team.
For me Ollie has to be ok about that. For such a talent who was fantastic for us and deservedly earnt England recognition as a No.9 you can't expect him to make way for Ings unless he is onboard with it. If not the situation has to be carefully managed.
Is Bailey even here yet? I can’t see him starting at Watford with such limited time for training.
I dont know where I heard it but apparently due to travel/covid restrictions etc he wont play until brentford
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Is Bailey even here yet? I can’t see him starting at Watford with such limited time for training.
I dont know where I heard it but apparently due to travel/covid restrictions etc he wont play until brentford
Maybe gives Philogene-Bidace a chance to start ...
... probably be AEG though.
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Is Bailey even here yet? I can’t see him starting at Watford with such limited time for training.
I dont know where I heard it but apparently due to travel/covid restrictions etc he wont play until brentford
Maybe gives Philogene-Bidace a chance to start ...
... probably be AEG though.
AEG to score a penalty and the media wank over how good he is and he’s the Grealish replacement
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Is Bailey even here yet? I can’t see him starting at Watford with such limited time for training.
I dont know where I heard it but apparently due to travel/covid restrictions etc he wont play until brentford
Maybe gives Philogene-Bidace a chance to start ...
... probably be AEG though.
AEG to score a penalty and the media wank over how good he is and he’s the Grealish replacement
Crikey this is so accurate
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Is Bailey even here yet? I can’t see him starting at Watford with such limited time for training.
I dont know where I heard it but apparently due to travel/covid restrictions etc he wont play until brentford
Maybe gives Philogene-Bidace a chance to start ...
... probably be AEG though.
AEG to score a penalty and the media ignore him because Grealish came on after 85 minutes.
Fixed.
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Dean Smith latest :
Morgan Sanson's just started to get back on the training ground now, obviously he had a knee injury at the end of last season and he's been rehabbing during the close season
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I realised he got an injury at the end of last season but it must have been a fairly serious to miss at least 4/5 months.
Sometimes signings are just cursed (Neale Cooper anyone?) and I’m beginning to wonder whether we’ll ever see this lad play for us, might easily be sold on again. I’ve still really no idea what he does.
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so invisible I alsmost forgot we had him.
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Buy in haste, repent at leisure.
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I realised he got an injury at the end of last season but it must have been a fairly serious to miss at least 4/5 months.
Sometimes signings are just cursed (Neale Cooper anyone?) and I’m beginning to wonder whether we’ll ever see this lad play for us, might easily be sold on again. I’ve still really no idea what he does.
Missed 4/5 months? He got injured in April and the season stopped in May.
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Pointless
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There's nothing like writing off a player after 9 games.
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I realised he got an injury at the end of last season but it must have been a fairly serious to miss at least 4/5 months.
Sometimes signings are just cursed (Neale Cooper anyone?) and I’m beginning to wonder whether we’ll ever see this lad play for us, might easily be sold on again. I’ve still really no idea what he does.
Missed 4/5 months? He got injured in April and the season stopped in May.
I think he meant he's been injured for 4 or 5 months.
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There's nothing like writing off a player after 9 games.
we signed him in January.
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There's nothing like writing off a player after 9 games.
we signed him in January.
Well in that case, let's defintaley absolutley write him off as pointless.
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There's nothing like writing off a player after 9 games.
we signed him in January.
He has only played a few games though, because of adapting and now because of injury.
I think it's too early to write him off. He needs to get up to scratch with his fitness first.
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There's nothing like writing off a player after 9 games.
we signed him in January.
Well in that case, let's defintaley absolutley write him off as pointless.
we didn’t need him when we bought him, he has been unavailable most the time he has been here and when he has played he has done fuck all.
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There's nothing like writing off a player after 9 games.
we signed him in January.
Well in that case, let's defintaley absolutley write him off as pointless.
we didn’t need him when we bought him, he has been unavailable most the time he has been here and when he has played he has done fuck all.
Well, let's see how he does he comes back in. Blimey, it's almost as if he's being blamed for yesterdays defeat.
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Ran around a bit, gave the ball away, tugged the player back and gave away freekicks. Like others, don't know what he is supposed to offer.
Before people start crying, I'm not writing him off, simply commenting on what (little) I've seen of him.
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I'm not writing off Sanson - but I genuinely forget about him.
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We can’t write him off because after 8 months or so we still have absolutely no fucking idea what he’s actually capable of.
It just feels like another Engles situation brewing.
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What was he bought for when Jack Grealish was here? Is that still required now he's, er, not. I can't recall ever seeing him play, but know he did once or twice.
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We can’t write him off because after 8 months or so we still have absolutely no fucking idea what he’s actually capable of.
It just feels like another Engles situation brewing.
I'm not so sure about the Engels comparison. Konsa and Mings formed a really good partnership that was part of a pretty good defence last year so he just couldn't get in.
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to be fair to Sanon, he's come in and replaced Henri Lansbury seamlessly.
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to be fair to Sanon, he's come in and replaced Henri Lansbury seamlessly.
fair play, because not many players could have done that.
;)
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I porobably could and I'm not a player.
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I porobably could and I'm not a player.
How luxurious is your hair?
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What was he bought for when Jack Grealish was here? Is that still required now he's, er, not. I can't recall ever seeing him play, but know he did once or twice.
He was bought six months earlier than planned to take advantage of the financial situation at his previous club Marseille. We paid £16m and you might find it hard to believe but he would have cost closer to £30m this time last year.
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So what exactly has he done to attract this level of ire? Be injured?
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We can’t write him off because after 8 months or so we still have absolutely no fucking idea what he’s actually capable of.
It just feels like another Engles situation brewing.
Yep. Let's say we buy Ward Prowse and we have endless 8s in our squad then. Him, Luiz and McGinn can all play that position and also Ramsey in the mix who did o.k yesterday so really can't see Sanson getting many starts at all as he's no DM given I saw him a few times for Marseille.
Just feels like a player DS didn't particularly want tbh so not sure how much he's going to figure once he's fit again.
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So what exactly has he done to attract this level of ire? Be injured?
It’s astonishing. He came in close to the deadline and made the squad as we started the period where Jack was hurt. So it wasn’t like he did badly as we were playing our best. If anyone expected him to be the signing that fixed that bad run then you’re crazy. And then he got hurt and couldn’t contribute once Jack came back. He’s being panned for no reason at all.
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Well I certainly wasn’t panning him. I’m just not sure where he plays or whether he’s any good! Let’s hope so.
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So what exactly has he done to attract this level of ire? Be injured?
He plays for a club that lost a game which we expected to win, thus making people annoyed and seeking things to be direct that annoyance towards. Also, Joe can get fucked. There, that felt better.
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So what exactly has he done to attract this level of ire? Be injured?
It’s astonishing. He came in close to the deadline and made the squad as we started the period where Jack was hurt. So it wasn’t like he did badly as we were playing our best. If anyone expected him to be the signing that fixed that bad run then you’re crazy. And then he got hurt and couldn’t contribute once Jack came back. He’s being panned for no reason at all.
I think you and Drummond are getting upset about stuff that nobody has actually said though. Ire? Being panned? Where is any of that happening, because it doesn't seem to be on this thread.
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I'm still hopeful he will come good. But it's partly what I see the JWP links as odd as we already have McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey & Sanson most suited to that role.
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to be fair to Sanon, he's come in and replaced Henri Lansbury seamlessly.
That made me do a big laugh, very good.
Joking apart, though, on the subject of Sanson, it seems a tad harsh to be judging a player on the basis of 3 or 4 league starts.
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I think some of us thought he may have been the midfielder we've been missing, not slagging him yet, he's been injured a while and needs to come back getting minutes of the bench.
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"Yeah, no, he's in training but we have to be careful with his loading. Get that wrong and you can be out for months like Jack was. Hopefully he'll be fighting fit and ready by Christmas."
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"Yeah, no, he's in training but we have to be careful with his loading. Get that wrong and you can be out for months like Jack was. Hopefully he'll be fighting fit and ready by Christmas."
Despite the inverted commas, I assume this quote is your work, Eamonn, not a direct quote from Deano?
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Please dont let him turn into anothee berson
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I'm still hopeful he will come good. But it's partly what I see the JWP links as odd as we already have McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey & Sanson most suited to that role.
They’re suited to it, they’re just not as good at it as JWP.
We had goalkeepers when we bought Martinez.
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"Yeah, no, he's in training but we have to be careful with his loading. Get that wrong and you can be out for months like Jack was. Hopefully he'll be fighting fit and ready by Christmas."
Despite the inverted commas, I assume this quote is your work, Eamonn, not a direct quote from Deano?
Sorry, yes. Kippax usually does this sort of thing, thought I'd give him a break.
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I'm still hopeful he will come good. But it's partly what I see the JWP links as odd as we already have McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey & Sanson most suited to that role.
They’re suited to it, they’re just not as good at it as JWP.
We had goalkeepers when we bought Martinez.
Exactly, to progress we need to better than what we have. JWP is quality and an upgrade on what we have.
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I'm still hopeful he will come good. But it's partly what I see the JWP links as odd as we already have McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey & Sanson most suited to that role.
They’re suited to it, they’re just not as good at it as JWP.
We had goalkeepers when we bought Martinez.
Exactly, to progress we need to better than what we have. JWP is quality and an upgrade on what we have.
But we're upgrading a position where we have 4 (hopefully) decent players and not a position where we have non (DM)?
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I'm still hopeful he will come good. But it's partly what I see the JWP links as odd as we already have McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey & Sanson most suited to that role.
They’re suited to it, they’re just not as good at it as JWP.
We had goalkeepers when we bought Martinez.
Exactly, to progress we need to better than what we have. JWP is quality and an upgrade on what we have.
You also need to limit the amount of changes to avoid being in constant transition. I think who the big signing of this window should be is very dependant on what Smith wants to be doing. If the plan is to play 2 up front and 2 wingers (either as a 442 or as a 4231) then a big dominant midfielder is essential to give us some physical control in midfield, I'd be happy to add that player and see what difference it makes to how Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey and Sanson perform. If we're going to play a flatter 3 in midfield then I'd be happier with JWP and a rotating press in midfield with 2 from those 4 and Nakamba alongside him. Either way I really want to see Sanson get some more game time, I like what I've seen of him.
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I saw him sitting on the touchline, after his last appearance, with a huge ice bag on a very nasty looking injured leg, (can't remember the match). Not surprised he's been out for so long, he was beginning to link up with teammates quite well & could tackle when called upon.
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So what exactly has he done to attract this level of ire? Be injured?
It’s astonishing. He came in close to the deadline and made the squad as we started the period where Jack was hurt. So it wasn’t like he did badly as we were playing our best. If anyone expected him to be the signing that fixed that bad run then you’re crazy. And then he got hurt and couldn’t contribute once Jack came back. He’s being panned for no reason at all.
I think you and Drummond are getting upset about stuff that nobody has actually said though. Ire? Being panned? Where is any of that happening, because it doesn't seem to be on this thread.
My missus is the absolute expert at doing this. Saying I've said something then getting angry about it, when really I haven't said anything of the sort.
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Yes but you were probably *thinking* it!
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*glances at username*
Well you knew what Victoria was like when you married her, David ::)
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Yes but you were probably *thinking* it!
I probably was tbf.
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I still have some big hopes for Sanson although it does feel a bit Ivo Stas at the moment
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Hoping he shows us what he’s got this season. Got a feeling he’s last January’s Samatta and will leave on loan
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Completely different situations though. Sanson had been tracked for ages, had been earmarked for signing this summer, except an opportunity arose earlier than expected. Samatta was a panic buy after our forwards got crocked.
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Completely different situations though. Sanson had been tracked for ages, had been earmarked for signing this summer, except an opportunity arose earlier than expected. Samatta was a panic buy after our forwards got crocked.
I meant in terms of a January transfer from abroad that hasn’t seem to have worked. There could be time, I want it to work. Save us messing around trying to sign someone else.
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Hoping he shows us what he’s got this season. Got a feeling he’s last January’s Samatta and will leave on loan
Samatta was a panic buy. Suso made a complete mess of that.
Sanson has been tracked by smith for a while apparently so i think this is different
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Hard to see him getting a much of a look in though, with everybody fit. If McGinn and Luiz are the first choice pairing in front of the back four, with Ramsey as sub, he might be struggling to even get in the squad, let alone game time.
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Nine allowed on the bench though now, so he should be fine for that at least.
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If we don't sign another player, he surely has to start 6-7 games in a row to get up to speed and see what he can do. This season is clearly going to be somewhat transitional, so if Sanson, Chuck, JPB etc can get some decent minutes to help them kick on as players, it may help us in the long run,
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I've got no problem with him struggling to get in the side, that's how it should be for EVERY squad member. I think he's shown flashes of ability in the rare appearances he made last season, good first touch, pretty quick over the ground, made a few decent tackles - didn't see too much from an attacking sense, but I think that's as much to do with where we were as a team when he came in I suspect. He's played a total of 290 minutes for us so far, so I'm in no rush to dismiss him yet.
I hope he gets a chance when he's fully fit, and if he's not up to it, so be it, but I'm still quite hopeful given what he showed in France.
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When he first got injured it seemed fairly innocuous, what an earth is going on?
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Still dont know what kind of midfielder he is. Is a a attacking mid? If so i havent seen much of it from the few appearances we have seen.
Im looking forward to seeing him get a run in the side
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When he first got injured it seemed fairly innocuous, what an earth is going on?
The Ron Vlaar rule of Aston Villa injuries. Doubtful = out, slight knock = out for at least a month, could be back this weekend = has already agreed to fuck off to Man City.
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I'm looking forward to seeing him just run, full stop.
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I'm looking forward to seeing him just run, full stop.
Oh come on mate, one step at a time! Literally 🤪
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Is he to be added to the
Bosko Balaban / Ivo Stas / Sasa Curcic / Matheu Berson list of invisible Villa players
Considering we paid in excess of £14m for him - the silence is deafening on his progress.
Or is this the new Villa way - run their communications like the Stazi
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Just looking to see whether Dean spoke about how exactly he saw Sanson fitting into the team upon us signing him. Couldn't find anything specific.
“Morgan has performed consistently at the highest level in French football for a number of seasons as well as in this season’s Champions League, and is a player with the quality and experience to play in any midfield position. He will add real competition for starting places and gives us more squad depth which is vital to competing successfully in the Premier League.”
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You just know if he'd gone anywhere else he'd be tip of the assist table, scored 10+ goals and be valued between £60-£80 million
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Aren’t players meant to get better the longer they are out injured?
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there's always an exception to that misconception
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Aren’t players meant to get better the longer they are out injured?
Richard Dunne
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Aren’t players meant to get better the longer they are out injured?
Richard Dunne
Carlos Cuellar
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Aren’t players meant to get better the longer they are out injured?
Richard Dunne
Carlos Cuellar
... Is a centre half, la la la la la la la la la laaaa la laaaa
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When he first got injured it seemed fairly innocuous, what an earth is going on?
The Ron Vlaar rule of Aston Villa injuries. Doubtful = out, slight knock = out for at least a month, could be back this weekend = has already agreed to fuck off to Man City.
The update I read a few weeks ago suggested he was more of a long term injury.
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Anyone know when he’s meant to be back? Trez will be back before him at this rate
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Anyone know when he’s meant to be back? Trez will be back before him at this rate
If anyone would know, surely it's you?
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Anyone know when he’s meant to be back? Trez will be back before him at this rate
If anyone would know, surely it's you?
Not on this I don’t I’m afraid mate
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Anyone know when he’s meant to be back? Trez will be back before him at this rate
If anyone would know, surely it's you?
Not on this I don’t I’m afraid mate
But your guy is the medical guy with the inside info? Surely s/he'd know?
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C'mon Drumm, appreciate what we get from Vinnie.
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UPDATE: Morgan Sanson has gone from 0% chance of playing against Newcastle to now being 75% chance of playing on Premier League Fantasy Football.
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He looked pretty ordinary last year but he wouldnt be the first to take a while to find his feet
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C'mon Drumm, appreciate what we get from Vinnie.
Which is?
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Loose ITKs.
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Loose ITKs.
There's always the GM section of our site for such spurious info.
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Alright...I'll re-subscribe....I had so many subs on the go, I had to purge a few.
Dunno what you've got against Vinnie though, he's sound.
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Alright...I'll re-subscribe....I had so many subs on the go, I had to purge a few.
Dunno what you've got against Vinnie though, he's sound.
Got nothing against him at all. It's just that his exclusives only ever materialise after the event.
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Alright...I'll re-subscribe....I had so many subs on the go, I had to purge a few.
Dunno what you've got against Vinnie though, he's sound.
Got nothing against him at all. It's just that his exclusives only ever materialise after the event.
Strictly speaking, surely something can only ever materialise (ie become fact) after the event (ie after they have happened)?
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Shit, I sound like Bad English.
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Sorry. I meant he only posts his info after the event has happened.
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He was sat in the crowd (unless he has a doppelgänger) with his family at the game. Which under the Covid situation I though was strange. Perhaps his injury is still going to be holding him back weeks? A lot of the crowd didn’t realise he was sat there
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Alright...I'll re-subscribe....I had so many subs on the go, I had to purge a few.
Dunno what you've got against Vinnie though, he's sound.
Got nothing against him at all. It's just that his exclusives only ever materialise after the event.
Like Bailey being injured you mean?
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Is Sanson even training yet? I vaguely recall the news that he was, but other than that he really does seem to be the forgotten man. Never even gets a mention or asked about in the press conferences.
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I think Dean mentioned having him and others when he talked about 'stockpiling' players.
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Someone one the post-match thread said that they spotted him in the crowd on Saturday at VP but no one seemed to recognise him!
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Someone one the post-match thread said that they spotted him in the crowd on Saturday at VP but no one seemed to recognise him!
I bet even Dean Smith isn't sure what he looks like!
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Someone one the post-match thread said that they spotted him in the crowd on Saturday at VP but no one seemed to recognise him!
It was me , yeah he was sat with his wife and kid in the Trinity. So he must be nowhere near fit yet.
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It was me , yeah he was sat with his wife and kid in the Trinity. So he must be nowhere near fit yet.
Presumably she is though.
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It was me , yeah he was sat with his wife and kid in the Trinity. So he must be nowhere near fit yet.
Presumably she is though.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSugPsvo7ae/?hl=en
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I used to work with a bloke who, had he seen that photo,would've told me how much that watch was worth. I didn't care then and I don't now, watch people!
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Disappointed that the younger offspring seems to have been taking tactical lessons from Mark Kinsella.
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It was me , yeah he was sat with his wife and kid in the Trinity. So he must be nowhere near fit yet.
Presumably she is though.
Yes he was, and yes she is.
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It was me , yeah he was sat with his wife and kid in the Trinity. So he must be nowhere near fit yet.
Presumably she is though.
Yes he was, and yes she is.
I was focusing on their rather nice Nike Jordan’s as I’m a middle aged fan of trainers. But yes she seemed very pleasant
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I used to work with a bloke who, had he seen that photo,would've told me how much that watch was worth. I didn't care then and I don't now, watch people!
Deletes post. *Sad face*
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I used to work with a bloke who, had he seen that photo,would've told me how much that watch was worth. I didn't care then and I don't now, watch people!
Deletes post. *Sad face*
Lol. You can tell me if you like.
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Ah balls, it's a rose gold Audemars Piguet Royal Oak, and it's worth about £50K.
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Ah balls, it's a rose gold Audemars Piguet Royal Oak, and it's worth about £50K.
Not my words Lynne, the words of Top Watch magazine.
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Ah balls, it's a rose gold Audemars Piguet Royal Oak, and it's worth about £50K.
I’ll remember that if I see him round our end.
Apologies in advance for any further injuries.
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Ah balls, it's a rose gold Audemars Piguet Royal Oak, and it's worth about £50K.
Not my words Lynne, the words of Top Watch magazine.
It's Carol, not Lynne.
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I’m not wearing a swatch Morgan
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Ah balls, it's a rose gold Audemars Piguet Royal Oak, and it's worth about £50K.
Not my words Lynne, the words of Top Watch magazine.
It's Carol, not Lynne.
Stop getting Partridge wrong!
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Morgan Sanson is training fully but had no match exposure so likely to be on the bench at best Vs Brentford
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No relation I believe but it's a great song.
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I notice he didn't get a mention in Dean's aftermath comments when he listed those unavailable and they will e back to boost the team yet Sanson doesn't get a credit
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I have a feeling he will be a surprise package once fit and available. Mind you, there are 2 sorts of surprises...
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I think he's going to be a total waste of money but I hope you are right and I'm not.
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That's the spirit.
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I would sell him ;D
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I'd personally prefer to see us get him fit and play him with McGinn in a very high pressing game. Bailey, Ings and Watkins being fed the ball as high up the pitch and as quickly as possible.
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He needs a chance surely? He’s a player with Champions League experience, we tracked him for some time and he’s come in during one of our crap periods before a nasty injury.
He could be a very good signing, I don’t get how anyone can write someone off so soon.
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That's the spirit.
Quite. Given we have little to no evidence by which to assess him as a Villa player as yet it seems odd to write him off.
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He needs a chance surely? He’s a player with Champions League experience, we tracked him for some time and he’s come in during one of our crap periods before a nasty injury.
He could be a very good signing, I don’t get how anyone can write someone off so soon.
What was his injury?
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He needs a chance surely? He’s a player with Champions League experience, we tracked him for some time and he’s come in during one of our crap periods before a nasty injury.
He could be a very good signing, I don’t get how anyone can write someone off so soon.
What was his injury?
'Villa Knee'.
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He needs to be as good as Smith/Lange thinks he is. With the young ones untested, we are an injury to McGinn and/or Luiz away from real problems.
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He needs a chance surely? He’s a player with Champions League experience, we tracked him for some time and he’s come in during one of our crap periods before a nasty injury.
He could be a very good signing, I don’t get how anyone can write someone off so soon.
What was his injury?
'Villa Knee'.
Of course 😂
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Really, what is his injury? I googled and found guff.
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Some kind of knee strain that has taken 6 months rather than 6 weeks.
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I've checked Transfermarkt and it says this regarding our injuries:
Konsa - Knee (3 weeks)
Trezeguet - Anterior cruciate ligament (12 months)
Sanson - Curse of the French Villa player (eternity and then some)
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I've checked Transfermarkt and it says this regarding our injuries:
Konsa - Knee (3 weeks)
Trezeguet - Anterior cruciate ligament (12 months)
Sanson - Curse of the French Villa player (eternity and then some)
Hope that's right with Ezri. 3 weeks is manageable with the International break.
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I've checked Transfermarkt and it says this regarding our injuries:
Konsa - Knee (3 weeks)
Trezeguet - Anterior cruciate ligament (12 months)
Sanson - Curse of the French Villa player (eternity and then some)
What about Traore?
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Traore pulled his hamstring in some friendly we played the day after Watford so probably won't see him until October.
The issue I have with Sanson is it all seems too too quiet around him, no update from the club when he got injured unlike Trez who we knew would be out for foreseeable future and no real quotes from Smith since about how much he's looking forward to him returning, stuff like he'll be brilliant alongside McGinn or someone we can put in and rest McGinn for time to time.
Instead nothing (unless the journos aren't asking him these questions) so my hunch is Dean is a bit cold on him like he became with Engels and Gulibert and we know how it's turned out for those two.
If we'd got Ward Prowse in it's difficult to see how he'd get a regular game as he's certainly not a DM from what I saw of him at Marseille and some of his cameos for us.
Think he'll just be alternative to McGinn and given he remains an automatic starter feels a bit lik it might be similar situation to Van Der Beek at Man. United who just warms the bench every week.
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Smith said we were going to get a friendly arranged for Sanson, so it sounds likes he's fit, just not match fit.
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the key to us getting real creativity in the side is Basiley. Without him ollie and Ings are going to go hungry.
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Ollie had two attempts in his brief cameo on Saturday. But yes Bailey’s pace is going to create chances for us.
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Starts for the U23s tonight against Wycombe Wanderers in the Papa Johns Trophy. Kick off 7pm
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Starts for the U23s tonight against Wycombe Wanderers in the Papa Johns Trophy. Kick off 7pm
That’s good news
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Let’s hope he gets up to speed quick. I saw glimpses of talent before his injury. But he’s had a really tough start - moving country and adapting half way through the season and then getting an injury that stopped him having a pre season.
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Starts for the U23s tonight against Wycombe Wanderers in the Papa Johns Trophy. Kick off 7pm
That’s good news
This is Villa. You just know he’ll have been stretchered off by 7.10 pm.
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Starts for the U23s tonight against Wycombe Wanderers in the Papa Johns Trophy. Kick off 7pm
That’s good news
This is Villa. You just know he’ll have been stretchered off by 7.10 pm.
That would be bad news
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Haa been quiet so far
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The fact he’s getting minutes is good though. Dean clearly doesn’t want a specialist DCM so having more all round midfield options can only be good.
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An assist for Archer.
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Did anyone watch the game? Any news on how he did, how long he played for and how short of match-fitness is looked?
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Did anyone watch the game? Any news on how he did, how long he played for and how short of match-fitness is looked?
He played the first half and set up a goal for Archer.
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Edit. Wrong thread.
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Hopefully the injury Morgan picked up last night wasn't to serious, he was playing well up to then.
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He looked very good. Hopefully he isn't out for long. Got up and down the park well and his passing was incisive.
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Agreed, thought he looked really good. He looked gutted coming off, but hopefully it's not too bad.
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He played really well and was one of the best players on the pitch before his injury. I fear the worst in terms of a lay off though, he looked in a good deal of discomfort when he went off so if it’s back to square one it could be weeks/months again.
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Has anyone heard any info about the narure of the injury? All I know is he went off in discomfort and pretty distraught. Could mean he aggravated the injury he's coming back from or is it a new one?
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How did it happen?
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How did it happen?
Didn’t see any one incident. He just started grimacing and limping a bit. Then he got a bit of a clattering from a Chelsea player, and he looked in real pain. When he went off he looked absolutely distraught. A massive shame because he was excellent for the first 40 minutes and playing like that he’d put real pressure on Luiz, McGinn and Ramsey for a starting spot.
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Has anyone heard any info about the narure of the injury? All I know is he went off in discomfort and pretty distraught. Could mean he aggravated the injury he's coming back from or is it a new one?
Saw this on Twitter:
Morgan Sanson on Instagram: "Very disappointed with the result tonight but proud of the team. More than happy to be back on the pitch after more than 5 months.. Thank you for all your messages. See you very soon it shouldn’t be long"
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Sounds promising.
I did think that i saw him lining up with the players in the huddle on the halfway line at the end when they were taking pens, which might suggest that it wasn't too serious.
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Sounds promising.
I did think that i saw him lining up with the players in the huddle on the halfway line at the end when they were taking pens, which might suggest that it wasn't too serious.
Yeah, he was there, and smiling. So perhaps it wasn't as bad as he thought and he was taken off as a precaution.
They way he played yesterday, he seems to fill the McGinn role, but with more technique and less frenzy (for want of a better word to describe McGinn's playing style).
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Sounds promising.
I did think that i saw him lining up with the players in the huddle on the halfway line at the end when they were taking pens, which might suggest that it wasn't too serious.
Yeah, he was there, and smiling. So perhaps it wasn't as bad as he thought and he was taken off as a precaution.
They way he played yesterday, he seems to fill the McGinn role, but with more technique and less frenzy (for want of a better word to describe McGinn's playing style).
His passing was much better than McGinn’s.
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Leaving aside that he limped off after 40 mins last night....but his conditioning and ability to compete up to then seemed far better than in any game last season where to me he looked half a yard short. Up against the likes of Kante and he stood out as the dominant midfielder on view. On last night's form we need him back as he will be pushing very hard for a midfield spot soon.
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Hopefully it was largely precautionary as it should be with heacd injuries. Gone are the days when somebody can carry on playing with a broken neck! Looked good. Passed and tackled well. Fingers crossed, we may have a player there.
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Thought he looked very good. Strange seeing tweets that he was a waste of money when I thought he was one of our best players whilst he was on the park.
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Strange? This is twitter we're talking about where talking bollocks is the norm.
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I like the look of him
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Probably twatter bollocks but saying he is out until the new year. Hope its untrue as it would be desperately unlucky for the lad
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Out for a month.
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Probably twatter bollocks but saying he is out until the new year. Hope its untrue as it would be desperately unlucky for the lad
Wouldn't it be great if people stopped posting and repeating uncorroborated nonsense.
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Out for a month.
Hamstring.. great.
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Probably twatter bollocks but saying he is out until the new year. Hope its untrue as it would be desperately unlucky for the lad
Wouldn't it be great if people stopped posting and repeating uncorroborated nonsense.
Equually as pointless posts like this
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Probably twatter bollocks but saying he is out until the new year. Hope its untrue as it would be desperately unlucky for the lad
Wouldn't it be great if people stopped posting and repeating uncorroborated nonsense.
Equually as pointless posts like this
Blimey Demitri. What's the matter sweetheart? Did you infer something from my post that resonated with you?
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Probably twatter bollocks but saying he is out until the new year. Hope its untrue as it would be desperately unlucky for the lad
Wouldn't it be great if people stopped posting and repeating uncorroborated nonsense.
Equually as pointless posts like this
Just politely pointing it out dear x 😁
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Probably twatter bollocks but saying he is out until the new year. Hope its untrue as it would be desperately unlucky for the lad
Wouldn't it be great if people stopped posting and repeating uncorroborated nonsense.
Equually as pointless posts like this
Just politely pointing it out dear x 😁
Anyway, your sources are obviously different to mine. "I heard " that his leg has gone gangrenous. Doctors have lopped it off already and unfortunately his right testicle has had to go too. Christ knows when he'll be back now (sad face).
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Probably twatter bollocks but saying he is out until the new year. Hope its untrue as it would be desperately unlucky for the lad
Wouldn't it be great if people stopped posting and repeating uncorroborated nonsense.
Equually as pointless posts like this
Just politely pointing it out dear x 😁
Anyway, your sources are obviously different to mine. "I heard " that his leg has gone gangrenous. Doctors have lopped it off already and unfortunately his right testicle has had to go too. Christ knows when he'll be back now (sad face).
I did say its probably twatter bollocks ! 😉
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Unfortunately out for a month with a hamstring injury. Not good on top of the Bailey news.
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Unfortunately out for a month with a hamstring injury. Not good on top of the Bailey news.
Dean said Sandon felt a twinge in his hamstring.
"We don’t believe it’s going to be a bad one, he actually carried on for two or three minutes after which proves to me it’s not a bad one. It’s just he felt the twinge and knew it was time to get off. He’s been missing for the last three or four months with a knee injury and he’s worked really hard to get back to full fitness. He was building up his game minutes, so really frustrated for him but it will only be a small step backwards, that’s for sure."
For sure ? Dean, We've heard that before with your injury time frames
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I think our whole fitness regime needs looking at.Something ain't right with all these wanky strains and pulls and twinges.
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It's not unusual to pick up injuries when coming back from one. It can be because of compensating or trying to do too much too soon.
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It's not unusual to pick up injuries when coming back from one. It can be because of compensating or trying to do too much too soon.
I read this ala Tom Jones :D
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It's not unusual to pick up injuries when coming back from one. It can be because of compensating or trying to do too much too soon.
I read this ala Tom Jones :D
So did I 😂
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It's not unusual to pick up injuries when coming back from one. It can be because of compensating or trying to do too much too soon.
I read this ala Tom Jones :D
So did I 😂
Does this happens every day ?
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I think our whole fitness regime needs looking at.Something ain't right with all these wanky strains and pulls and twinges.
I agree - soft tissue injuries are becoming far too frequent.
Assessment necessary.
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It's not unusual to pick up injuries when coming back from one. It can be because of compensating or trying to do too much too soon.
I read this ala Tom Jones :D
So did I 😂
Does this happens every day ?
Yes, no matter what you say.
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One of Legion's ex-pupils gets into the team.
Bodymoor starts resembling a casualty clearing station.
I'll just leave it there.
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Fortunately the international break means that this is likely to be limited to just a couple of games.
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I had a quiet confidence about Sanson since we signed him.
It was an opportunist signing at the time because of the financial woes of Marseille.
When we learned that he was available we were straight in for him. This tells me that we'd been looking at him for a while and that his metrics matched what we were looking for to improve our midfield.
Barkley and Hotlips were our 2nd string midfielders last season, neither of whom had a future at the club, and we couldn't predict how much or how quickly Jacob Ramsey and Carney would improve, so signing Morgan for £15m was a bit of a snip. Clearly we were hoping that we'd get him fit and match ready for the start of the season, but our usual fitness jinx has intervened.
Early days yet, but he looked half decent in some of the videos doing the rounds when we signed him and from what we saw on Wednesday, once he gets properly fit, then we're going to have a really strong group in midfield.
Just need to get them all fit and firing:
Douglas
Marvelous
McGinn
Sanson
Ramsey
Carney
Buendia
Onwards and upwards.
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I had a quiet confidence about Sanson since we signed him.
It was an opportunist signing at the time because of the financial woes of Marseille.
When we learned that he was available we were straight in for him. This tells me that we'd been looking at him for a while and that his metrics matched what we were looking for to improve our midfield.
Barkley and Hotlips were our 2nd string midfielders last season, neither of whom had a future at the club, and we couldn't predict how much or how quickly Jacob Ramsey and Carney would improve, so signing Morgan for £15m was a bit of a snip. Clearly we were hoping that we'd get him fit and match ready for the start of the season, but our usual fitness jinx has intervened.
Early days yet, but he looked half decent in some of the videos doing the rounds when we signed him and from what we saw on Wednesday, once he gets properly fit, then we're going to have a really strong group in midfield.
Just need to get them all fit and firing:
Douglas
Marvelous
McGinn
Sanson
Ramsey
Carney
Buendia
Onwards and upwards.
Based on current form, not withstanding injuries I'd say the best XI in a 433 doesn't include the likes of Tuanzebe, Sansom, El Ghazi, Buendia and Traore. They are some players when fit and on their game. With such strength in depth we really have to be targeting a top half finish this season.
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It's not unusual to pick up injuries when coming back from one. It can be because of compensating or trying to do too much too soon.
I read this ala Tom Jones :D
So did I 😂
Does this happens every day ?
Yes, no matter what you say.
Hopefully it won't be as long out as last time from what Dean said . And we can look forward to him at Villa Park on the green, green grass of home
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Pointless bit of trivia I just read, but the chap who held aloft Louis XVI's head after he was guillotined was called Charles-Henri Sanson. He also 'did' Marie Antoinette.
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One of Charles I's regicides was called John Carew.
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One of Charles I's regicides was called John Carew.
He's in more pieces than me and you.
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I don't know if it's a bit of 'king across the water' syndrome but I really want to see this guy start. He came with a pretty good reputation and the couple of cameo appearances suggested he can back it up. For once it would be nice to see a French player actually succeed at the Villa.
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After the incident last week you are more likely to see Shergar in a Villa shirt.
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After the incident last week you are more likely to see Shergar in a Villa shirt.
I must have missed something. What incident?
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After the incident last week you are more likely to see Shergar in a Villa shirt.
I must have missed something. What incident?
He threw a water bottle at Smith and gave him the finger at Arsenal, apparently.
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Blimey, crazy stuff if true. Any footage?
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I think it's the perfect time to play him tbh. He's given himself even more of a reason to go out and prove people wrong plus our midfield needs a spark.
If Smith really wants to freeze him out for throwing a plastic bottle in frustration, a bloke we paid 15m+ wages, then that's reflects even worse on him. He should have been on anyway by then.
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After the incident last week you are more likely to see Shergar in a Villa shirt.
I must have missed something. What incident?
He threw a water bottle at Smith and gave him the finger at Arsenal, apparently.
I don't blame him.
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After the incident last week you are more likely to see Shergar in a Villa shirt.
I must have missed something. What incident?
He threw a water bottle at Smith and gave him the finger at Arsenal, apparently.
I don't blame him.
Either do i. Played very well vs chelsea and not even been given any game time. How is he suppose to build his fitness if manager doesnt give him a chance?
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I can just see him scoring and then running past the dug out flicking the V's Tony Morley style.
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After the incident last week you are more likely to see Shergar in a Villa shirt.
I must have missed something. What incident?
He threw a water bottle at Smith and gave him the finger at Arsenal, apparently.
I don't blame him.
Either do i. Played very well vs chelsea and not even been given any game time. How is he suppose to build his fitness if manager doesnt give him a chance?
It's up to him to show the right attitude and application in training. If he does that long enough, he'll play himself into Smith's thinking. Nobody's bigger than the team.
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After the incident last week you are more likely to see Shergar in a Villa shirt.
I must have missed something. What incident?
He threw a water bottle at Smith and gave him the finger at Arsenal, apparently.
I don't blame him.
Either do i. Played very well vs chelsea and not even been given any game time. How is he suppose to build his fitness if manager doesnt give him a chance?
It's up to him to show the right attitude and application in training. If he does that long enough, he'll play himself into Smith's thinking. Nobody's bigger than the team.
Targett and McGinn look like they get close most summers.
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I think it's the perfect time to play him tbh. He's given himself even more of a reason to go out and prove people wrong plus our midfield needs a spark.
If Smith really wants to freeze him out for throwing a plastic bottle in frustration, a bloke we paid 15m+ wages, then that's reflects even worse on him. He should have been on anyway by then.
Agreed.
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Dean Smith said upon signing
“He has got a big game mentality, he has played at the top of the French league for the last five years, played in the Champions League.
He is a great technician and has great tactical awareness.
He can play in a number of positions, can set up goals and can score goals. He has a bit of everything in his game so we’re really pleased with the acquisition.”
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After the incident last week you are more likely to see Shergar in a Villa shirt.
I must have missed something. What incident?
He threw a water bottle at Smith and gave him the finger at Arsenal, apparently.
I didn’t see or hear about this, but it just randomly popped up on my Google app news stories list from a local “news” website…apparently he kicked some water bottles in frustration but no mention it was aimed at DS. It’s a bit odd for an unused sub to behave like that.
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Would not be surprised if he moves to another club in January on loan
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Out again tomorrow. Got a cold.
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Would not be surprised if he moves to another club in January on loan
Shame Dean can’t do the same!
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Story on him is press embargoed until 22:30 tonight
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Story on him is press embargoed until 22:30 tonight
Are you being serious?
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Story on him is press embargoed until 22:30 tonight
Are you being serious?
you'll find out at half ten
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Story on him is press embargoed until 22:30 tonight
Are you being serious?
Yes - no idea what it is myself but I’d guess one of a couple of things 1) covid 2) more on smith fall out
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Story on him is press embargoed until 22:30 tonight
Are you being serious?
Yes - no idea what it is myself but I’d guess one of a couple of things 1) covid 2) more on smith fall out
Thanks for clarifying
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Can't see why there'd be a need for a press blackout for a Covid case, surely.
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Can't see why there'd be a need for a press blackout for a Covid case, surely.
Agree. Bit of a coincidence after he had a strop at Smith last Friday isn’t it!
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Chances are he's been fined, suspended for a week & then gone ballistic.
Personally, I'm glad to see players getting wound up if they're not in the team. We need someone with some fire inside them.
Let's face it he couldn't have done a worse job than Luis & McGinn in the first half last week. McGinn, for all his plus points, gives the ball away every other time he passes it. Whereas Luis sometimes plays like he's on the beach back home.
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Can't see why there'd be a need for a press blackout for a Covid case, surely.
Agree. Bit of a coincidence after he had a strop at Smith last Friday isn’t it!
The Mail actually says this:
"Topics were aplenty, though, from Smith addressing Morgan Sanson's water bottle-throwing frustrations (his quotes on that are embargoed until 10.30pm) "
So it's specifically the fall out from that, it seems.
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Can't see why there'd be a need for a press blackout for a Covid case, surely.
Agree. Bit of a coincidence after he had a strop at Smith last Friday isn’t it!
The Mail actually says this:
"Topics were aplenty, though, from Smith addressing Morgan Sanson's water bottle-throwing frustrations (his quotes on that are embargoed until 10.30pm) "
So it's specifically the fall out from that, it seems.
Is this because it needs to be after the watershed to repeat Deans thoughts
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Is this a thing? Never known a quote embargo before.Has he hopped it to France?
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Can't see why there'd be a need for a press blackout for a Covid case, surely.
Agree. Bit of a coincidence after he had a strop at Smith last Friday isn’t it!
The Mail actually says this:
"Topics were aplenty, though, from Smith addressing Morgan Sanson's water bottle-throwing frustrations (his quotes on that are embargoed until 10.30pm) "
So it's specifically the fall out from that, it seems.
Is this because it needs to be after the watershed to repeat Deans thoughts
They could just use the Beeb's censor. "Forget me? Forget you, monkey farmer!"
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Daily or Birmingham Mail? If it's the latter, I suspect their clickbait generation technique scraping is approaching the bottom of the barrel.
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Brum.
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Birmingham Mail is a farce.
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My comments embargoed until I feel like it.
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Can only guess he's been suspended for a week or two otherwise why make a fuss about things.
Wasn't one of the eye witness reports last Friday that he'd launched it towards Shakespeare so either that or he's kicked off Drinkwater style on the training ground.
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When will we ever have a successful French story? I guess this is the end of the road for Sanson if all this is true.
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Would not be surprised if he moves to another club in January on loan
I agree. As someone pointed out, out track record with French players is not good.
He hasn't impressed too much when he has played.
Admittedly that has only been a few times and he's been injured. It's interesting that some people reckon he should play since we have hit a very sticky patch, but I can't see that he's suddenly got better from playing so rarely.
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Can only guess he's been suspended for a week or two otherwise why make a fuss about things.
Wasn't one of the eye witness reports last Friday that he'd launched it towards Shakespeare so either that or he's kicked off Drinkwater style on the training ground.
Did the bottle actually hit DS? I noticed watching the press conference that's he had a cut on his forehead..
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How all very frustrating if true. Thought he played very well at Chelsea before he went off injured. Seems to sum our season to date. One step forward and two back.
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He’s been unlucky with injury but I don’t think the management have handled him very well either. I’m sure he’ll look like a world beater for someone else. I’d say Lange and NSWE are far from impressed with how this is turning out.
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So… It’s gone 2230, can anyone reveal the bombshell?
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So… It’s gone 2230, can anyone reveal the bombshell?
Yes, he's not playing Sunday
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So… It’s gone 2230, can anyone reveal the bombshell?
On the Birmingham mail they said that dean had a chat with him
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When will we ever have a successful French story?
We've had Six, Ginola(old), Berson, Agathe, Pires mk2, N'Zogbia, Cissokho, Veretout, Amavi, Guilbert, Sanson.
Arsenal have had Henry, Vieira, Pires mk1, Kosceilny, Petit, Sagna, Anelka, Wiltord, Giroud, Clichy, Nasri.
Looks a mismatch, but at least we had Remi Garde and Houllier, all they had was Wenger.
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That’s lots more than six, Andy 😉
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So… It’s gone 2230, can anyone reveal the bombshell?
On the Birmingham mail they said that dean had a chat with him
The Birmingham Mail waited till 10.30pm to break the news ‘Manager Talks To Employee.’
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That’s lots more than six, Andy 😉
See what you did there
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So… It’s gone 2230, can anyone reveal the bombshell?
On the Birmingham mail they said that dean had a chat with him
To be fair - that’s one of their better “exclusives”
The Birmingham Mail waited till 10.30pm to break the news ‘Manager Talks To Employee.’
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When will we ever have a successful French story?
We've had Six, Ginola(old), Berson, Agathe, Pires mk2, N'Zogbia, Cissokho, Veretout, Amavi, Guilbert, Sanson.
Arsenal have had Henry, Vieira, Pires mk1, Kosceilny, Petit, Sagna, Anelka, Wiltord, Giroud, Clichy, Nasri.
Looks a mismatch, but at least we had Remi Garde and Houllier, all they had was Wenger.
So we’ve had massive success compared to Arsenals dip into the French market. ;)
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Don't even think we've had many good French speaking players. Maybe Kodjia and Gueye
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Benteke?
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Aly Cissokho was world class
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I'd imagine Carew could at least get by in French, too.
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Pretty sure I read Konsa learnt French at Brentford as he played with a few of them in defence.
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Don't even think we've had many good French speaking players. Maybe Kodjia and Gueye
Kodjia was a bit more than French speaking. Born and grew up there.
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Benteke?
He’s Flemish😉
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That’s lots more than six, Andy 😉
That’s funny. Quite unusual for you😂
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He was hacked.
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He was hacked.
Shit, another two months out.
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With Ramsey out, there's no better time than now to fight for a place in the team and show what he can do.
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Depends on how long his illness lasts. They can be nasty things, illnesses.
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When Ramsey came off Smith must have been gutted he'd left Sanson out because of his 'illness.' If he's not already gone he may well need a big peformance by Morgan to help save his job. I'd guess he's more likley to play Luiz and Nakamba or possibly Chuck though.
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If Dean is needing Sanson to save his job, from what I've seen of him so far, I'd start packing.
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Morgan definitely needs to start Friday (obviously if over his “illness” ) No way should Young be getting any game-time in midfield ahead of Morgan.
If he doesn’t figure and Villa lose Dean will have no-one to blame, but himself.
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Morgan definitely needs to start Friday (obviously if over his “illness” ) No way should Young be getting any game-time in midfield ahead of Morgan.
If he doesn’t figure and Villa lose Dean will have no-one to blame, but himself.
I was surprised he didn't move Emi B ito the middle and move Ash Young out wide.
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This guy will no doubt get his opportunity now and I’m certainly looking forward to some fantastic performances!
Perform or bust time I suspect.
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Yes, clean slate time!
Prove to us that you have become this brilliant player since you have been out!
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Hardly ever been fit
When he has, he failed to impress
Can’t wait to see Carlos Gill Mark 2
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Hardly ever been fit
When he has, he failed to impress
Can’t wait to see Carlos Gill Mark 2
He's absolutely nothing like Gil whatsoever. Did you see the game against Chelsea when he was the best player on the pitch?
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Check out the works of Hans Asperger
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eh?
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I would quite like to see the guy play in the flesh, if only to verify that he does actually exist.
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Hardly ever been fit
When he has, he failed to impress
Can’t wait to see Carlos Gill Mark 2
He's absolutely nothing like Gil whatsoever. Did you see the game against Chelsea when he was the best player on the pitch?
He was running that midfield and had young Cam showed a little more composure we’d have been in front early on from one of his passes. Cam of course scored a beauty later
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Hardly ever been fit
When he has, he failed to impress
Can’t wait to see Carlos Gill Mark 2
He's absolutely nothing like Gil whatsoever. Did you see the game against Chelsea when he was the best player on the pitch?
It feels like Gil is the go to guy for are lot of people for 'Mark II'.
I'm intrigued as to what Sanson Mark I can do so hopefully he gets his opportunity.
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If he's a mark II of anyone it's Veretout, similar playstyle and another that I think we'd regret losing if he walks away having never had a proper run of games to settle into the team.
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If he's a mark II of anyone it's Veretout, similar playstyle and another that I think we'd regret losing if he walks away having never had a proper run of games to settle into the team.
Agree with this, I'd now imagine he'll get his chance.
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That Lange pushed the case for Sanson and Smith never seemed keen, that must have been something that rankled with Lange. I wonder too whether they thought Smith was more hesitant to use kids than they would like. Carney Chukwuemeka has been heralded as one of the best in his age group but he still hasn't signed a professional contract, probably because he's not getting many opportunities. I wonder whether these things were in their backs of their minds before we even went on this run of results.
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That Lange pushed the case for Sanson and Smith never seemed keen, that must have been something that rankled with Lange. I wonder too whether they Smith was more hesitant to use kids than they would like. Carney Chukwuemeka has been heralded as one of the best in his age group but he still hasn't signed a professional contract, probably because he's not getting many opportunities. I wonder whether these things were in their backs of their minds before we even went on this run of results.
I've had similar thoughts.
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That Lange pushed the case for Sanson and Smith never seemed keen, that must have been something that rankled with Lange. I wonder too whether they thought Smith was more hesitant to use kids than they would like. Carney Chukwuemeka has been heralded as one of the best in his age group but he still hasn't signed a professional contract, probably because he's not getting many opportunities. I wonder whether these things were in their backs of their minds before we even went on this run of results.
agreed.
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If he's a mark II of anyone it's Veretout, similar playstyle and another that I think we'd regret losing if he walks away having never had a proper run of games to settle into the team.
Both very good footballers, but I think Sanson is more of an athlete. He's struck me as pretty quick over the ground when he's played, and Veretout always had that languid style that made it look like he wasn't trying that hard. I don't get that with Sanson, the exact opposite in fact.
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I was going to say the same Smithy. Veretout didn’t look quick enough to me.
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I agree, Sanson looks sharper and more suited to the premier league, that's a big part of why I'm frustrated he hasn't been able to get a good run of games so far.
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I agree, Sanson looks sharper and more suited to the premier league, that's a big part of why I'm frustrated he hasn't been able to get a good run of games so far.
I think, obviously based on no evidence whatsoever, that he's a little more frustrated than you!
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If he's a mark II of anyone it's Veretout, similar playstyle and another that I think we'd regret losing if he walks away having never had a proper run of games to settle into the team.
Both very good footballers, but I think Sanson is more of an athlete. He's struck me as pretty quick over the ground when he's played, and Veretout always had that languid style that made it look like he wasn't trying that hard. I don't get that with Sanson, the exact opposite in fact.
With the exception of that 40mins v Chelsea I thought last season Sanson looked very one paced. The French league is very pedestrian though and was always going to take time to physically get up to speed with us. Tidy player on the ball for sure.
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I agree, Sanson looks sharper and more suited to the premier league, that's a big part of why I'm frustrated he hasn't been able to get a good run of games so far.
I think, obviously based on no evidence whatsoever, that he's a little more frustrated than you!
Well there's a good chance his illness will have cleared up for the Brighton match! :)
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If he's a mark II of anyone it's Veretout, similar playstyle and another that I think we'd regret losing if he walks away having never had a proper run of games to settle into the team.
Both very good footballers, but I think Sanson is more of an athlete. He's struck me as pretty quick over the ground when he's played, and Veretout always had that languid style that made it look like he wasn't trying that hard. I don't get that with Sanson, the exact opposite in fact.
With the exception of that 40mins v Chelsea I thought last season Sanson looked very one paced. The French league is very pedestrian though and was always going to take time to physically get up to speed with us. Tidy player on the ball for sure.
Last year, after finally making his debut as a late sub he played the equivalent of fewer than three matches in total (in terms of minutes) before getting injured, most of those appearances as a sub - but I didn't think he looked "off the pace" when played, just not properly in-sync with his teammates. He's not quick like a winger, I just meant athletic as in quick enough over the first ten yards, and in changing direction as you need to do in central midfield. I think Chelsea was our first glimpse of what he can actually do for the side, when properly fit - and I am looking forward to seeing more.
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If he's a mark II of anyone it's Veretout, similar playstyle and another that I think we'd regret losing if he walks away having never had a proper run of games to settle into the team.
Both very good footballers, but I think Sanson is more of an athlete. He's struck me as pretty quick over the ground when he's played, and Veretout always had that languid style that made it look like he wasn't trying that hard. I don't get that with Sanson, the exact opposite in fact.
With the exception of that 40mins v Chelsea I thought last season Sanson looked very one paced. The French league is very pedestrian though and was always going to take time to physically get up to speed with us. Tidy player on the ball for sure.
Last year, after finally making his debut as a late sub he played the equivalent of fewer than three matches in total (in terms of minutes) before getting injured, most of those appearances as a sub - but I didn't think he looked "off the pace" when played, just not properly in-sync with his teammates. He's not quick like a winger, I just meant athletic as in quick enough over the first ten yards, and in changing direction as you need to do in central midfield. I think Chelsea was our first glimpse of what he can actually do for the side, when properly fit - and I am looking forward to seeing more.
I reckon 'quick over 10 yards' is the defining characteristic of midfielders that move from france to England, there's loads of them about.
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I was a bit underwhelmed by what I'd seen, but I think that's partly because I was hoping he'd pick from where Barkley had dropped off, and he's not that kind of player.
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Quick over 10 yards is fine if the pass for an assist is made by then.
😃
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He was head and shoulders the best player on the park against Chelsea. So annoying he was injured again.
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He was head and shoulders the best player on the park against Chelsea. So annoying he was injured again.
Hi first touch and control was far superior than anyone else in midfield for us that night. Mind you he was playing next to Nakamba who has 50p pieces for feet
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He needs a run of games before new year.
We're not at the stage yet where we can just write off 15m signings from about 5 starts.
McGinn is on 4 yellows so will be out for a match soon so ideal time to start him. Just hope for his sake it's not v Man. City at home as can see him barely touching the ball and getting slagged off on here and elsewhere.
I'd like to see him start v Brighton, hopefully he can recover from the broken fingernail or whatever DS imagined he had over next two weeks.
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He needs a run of games before new year.
We're not at the stage yet where we can just write off 15m signings from about 5 starts.
McGinn is on 4 yellows so will be out for a match soon so ideal time to start him. Just hope for his sake it's not v Man. City at home as can see him barely touching the ball and getting slagged off on here and elsewhere.
I'd like to see him start v Brighton, hopefully he can recover from the broken fingernail or whatever DS imagined he had over next two weeks.
Didn’t he chuck a bottle at Deano and flick him the finger, that’s why he hasn’t featured. Or was that just fake news?
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I've mentioned before but there was definitely a rumour that he is an awkward customer before he came. I think we may have seen a bit of that with the giving of the finger.
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I wonder if the reports are legit that Sanson has now picked up a knock on a family holiday in Paris and will miss the Brighton game.
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What a complete and utter waste of time and money this plonker has been.
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Taxi for Morgan
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what on earth is going on with him
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Pity we didn't spend the £20m on a defensive midfielder that actually wanted to play for us.
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Can we retire the 8 shirt. Been some real useless ones last few years.
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It's just a rumour atm isn't it?
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It's just a rumour atm isn't it?
Yes, but you know the rule with shit Villa rumours. If there was a rumour that a giant eagle had appeared at Bodymoor Heath and eaten three of our players ... it would be true.
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OK, looking for something factual. Has this fucking idiot completed 90 mins for us yet? Genuine question.
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It's just a rumour atm isn't it?
Yes, but you know the rule with shit Villa rumours. If there was a rumour that a giant eagle had appeared at Bodymoor Heath and eaten three of our players ... it would be true.
and long before we knew either way someone would post something here abouthow it was 'typical Villa' to have our players eaten.
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Why is he a fucking idiot?
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He certainly seems to be accident prone / a major sicknote and it is frustrating. You do start to wonder what the crack is with him. As i say, i don't think he's completed a game for us yet but not certain on that?
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You should never believe a Villa rumour unless it's "110% gospel" and comes from a stranger in a white suit.
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No he hasn't had a couple of games where he went off midway through the 2nd half before he got injured last season. This year he's been unlucky either with injuries or because Smith didn't want him, could be either because a few players were sidelined pretty thoroughly by him.
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Yes, we have really been left to assume as i certainly haven't noticed much proper info coming out about him. There were rumours about a shit attitude from early in the summer which have persisted. I suppose we'll find out what Gerrard thinks soon enough.
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Now we know why we got him cheap .
Anyway lets see.
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I always assumed he wasn't a Smith buy so if you're not fully invested in signing him anyway, then his injury would put him right at the back of the pile. See also Engels, Guilbert.
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It's just a rumour atm isn't it?
Yes, but you know the rule with shit Villa rumours. If there was a rumour that a giant eagle had appeared at Bodymoor Heath and eaten three of our players ... it would be true.
and long before we knew either way someone would post something here abouthow it was 'typical Villa' to have our players eaten.
And someone else would say - this wouldn't have happen under Dean Smith - Stevie G's been here 5 minutes and already got 3 of our players eaten
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No Eagles at Bodymoor Heath. Birds of prey are thin on the ground and thinner in the air.
Word on the street (lissome Lisa at his hairdressing salon) is that this player is hen pecked and not master of his domain.
Don't shoot the messenger pigeon innit.
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He's not allowed out if it's too cold, or looks like it might rain. And he's not allowed to play with the boys from the council houses.
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It's a strange one, normally players get better when they are out, with Sanson, his personality is under attack.
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God its going the berson route isnt it??
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I presume given the sporadic amount he has been used when fit, his enthusiasm to recover quickly from knock may have waned somewhat. Will be interesting to see if he gets fit and knuckles down under the new regime. It's a shame as I really think there is a player there.
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Named on the bench so twitter bollocks about getting injured while away then.
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Named on the bench so twitter bollocks about getting injured while away then.
Does this mean Gerrard has heralded the onset of a new era where some shit Villa rumours aren't actually true?
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Wasn't it Gerard himself who said that Sanson and Luiz were out? Morgan must have made a quicker recovery than anticipated.
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Maybe Gerrard is getting his excuses in early.. Had to put an injured player on the bench etc.
Or actually, he's just not quite as fit as he'd like him to be, hence being in the bench rather than starting.
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Gerrard name checked Sanson in his pre-match interview and said he'll be a big player for us.
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I really can't see why Sanson is getting stick on this thread from some posters. As far as I can see he is a Villa player who would like to play football for us. He is now on the bench and therefore ready to do his job.
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I really can't see why Sanson is getting stick on this thread from some posters. As far as I can see he is a Villa player who would like to play football for us. He is now on the bench and therefore ready to do his job.
Well yes.
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A guy near me when he saw Sanson warming up with the subs before the game exclaimed 'Morgan's Alive!' I think I was the only one who understood the reference.
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Was it Cowans who said that?
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I really can't see why Sanson is getting stick on this thread from some posters. As far as I can see he is a Villa player who would like to play football for us. He is now on the bench and therefore ready to do his job.
Well yes.
Absolutely, I hope he gets a run in the side at some point.
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Was it Cowans who said that?
Unless I'm missing something (which is my default setting), it was Brian Blessed, wasn't it?
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Was it Cowans who said that?
Unless I'm missing something (which is my default setting), it was Brian Blessed, wasn't it?
That's what I thought he was getting at.
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Very promising cameo today. Let's hope he's worth waiting for.
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Looked very good. Some nice balls in and battled hard.
Hoping we see him soon starting games
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Like Bailey he’s got the talent but we need him to stay fit. Fingers crossed.
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I think Sanson is going to become a great player for us and Gerrard coming in might be the fresh start he needed. Looked good today. Hope he can stay fit now and start games.
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We haven't had too many midfielders at Villa in recent years comfortable receiving the ball on the half turn. This guy definitely can, witness the turn at end that took a couple of City players out of the game on the left wing. Bit of bite in tackle too.
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I’m hopeful, Luiz, McGinn Samson and Nakamba sounds ok to me
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Looked good, nice to have another option
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Ten games uninjured, please... There's definitely a decent player there.
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Thought he fitted in well to the system when he came on. Will be interesting to see how he gets on in the coming games.
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He needs to have a run of games where he starts to see if he is can make a difference in our midfield
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He needs to have a run of games where he starts to see if he is can make a difference in our midfield
Yes It would be good to see him get a run of games and we can actually see if he is any good or not. Looked ok in the few minutes he has played so far.
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I thought he looked the part
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I thought he looked the part
agree, showed some great technique, could be a very useful player if he can stay fit.
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Yes looked decent when he came on.
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His weight of pass looked very good, there was a lovely Sid-esque, wedged diaganol to Watkins that bought "oohs" from the crowd.
Let's have him fit and chomping at it, there's some real competition now in the middle of the pitch which is great.
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The good thing with the change in our shape is that we now have 4 spots in the team where players like Chuk, Ramsey and Sanson can come in because the 'wingers' play very narrow at times.
The other thing I liked yesterday was that Cash and Targett/Young were getting forward and we had McGinn and Luiz clearly being asked to cover in behind them. It didn't work for their 2nd goal because McGinn got caught on his heels when Silva ran through but it's how I want us working so the front 3 don't have to track back so far.
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The only concern i have is working out who to drop and would be a little worried it could halt Ramsey's development. Would a three of him, Ramsey and McGinn work? Or play him further forward with Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz? Harsh on Nakamba considering how well he's played of late. I guess it's a nice problem to have.
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Very impressed with his cameo. He finally looks a player. Word Up.
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Very impressed with his cameo. He finally looks a player. Word Up.
He got back and forth well in midfield.
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He’s a good player, just made of glass.
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The only concern i have is working out who to drop and would be a little worried it could halt Ramsey's development. Would a three of him, Ramsey and McGinn work? Or play him further forward with Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz? Harsh on Nakamba considering how well he's played of late. I guess it's a nice problem to have.
McGinn further forward for me. Ideal time now to try it with Bailey and Traore out.
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Looked excellent to me, full of energy and some great touches. Strong competition now with Luiz (who I also thought was excellent second half) and JJ. I'd like to see him get more minutes on Saturday and hopefully a start soon.
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Very impressed with his cameo. He finally looks a player. Word Up.
He got back and forth well in midfield.
Yep, wasn't left asking 'Why have i lost you?'
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Nakamba
Sanson Luiz
Buendia McGinn
Watkins
I think that would look good with a very nice bench of options to choose from
Chuck
Hause
Bailey
Ramsey
Young
Ings
Traore
Trez
Axel
Various KIds
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You forgot El Ghaz and Keinan...
So do folk think we still need to sign ANOTHER central-midfielder asap?
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Good team. My only worry is getting the best out of Buendia and McGinn in the inside-forward positions as I think they both prefer the right hand side (McGinn's inswinging crosses have been amazing recently).
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Looked very good when he came on.
If he can stay fit I think he’ll finally get his chance now.
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I like the look of him
I actually like the look of our midfield I have never agreed with people on here that say it’s major concern
McGinn Luiz Sanson Ramsey Nakamba all playing well and coming on nicely under Gerard with Chuck breaking through
I’m not saying another midfielder wouldn’t be welcome but they have to be top class
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You forgot El Ghaz and Keinan...
So do folk think we still need to sign ANOTHER central-midfielder asap?
Makes our squad even stronger. I never doubted ability, it was regrettably how Dean had them playing was the issue
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I like the look of him
I actually like the look of our midfield I have never agreed with people on here that say it’s major concern
McGinn Luiz Sanson Ramsey Nakamba all playing well and coming on nicely under Gerard with Chuck breaking through
I’m not saying another midfielder wouldn’t be welcome but they have to be top class
Sanson has to prove he can stay fit and make a major contribution yet though. I do like the look of him though.
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I like the look of him
I actually like the look of our midfield I have never agreed with people on here that say it’s major concern
McGinn Luiz Sanson Ramsey Nakamba all playing well and coming on nicely under Gerard with Chuck breaking through
I’m not saying another midfielder wouldn’t be welcome but they have to be top class
Sanson has to prove he can stay fit and make a major contribution yet though. I do like the look of him though.
Yes true, same for Bailey and Traoré
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I think if we can get everyone fit and in form we've got a squad capable of challenging for the top 6.
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Ramsey / Chuk / McGinn / Luiz / Nakamba / Sanson is a good blend. The position demands that they run themselves into the ground and probably pick up suspensions so sensible rotation and substitutions should mean that all remain involved.
Another DM would be handy but they’d need to be top class as otherwise they could block the path of the youngsters.
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Good team. My only worry is getting the best out of Buendia and McGinn in the inside-forward positions as I think they both prefer the right hand side (McGinn's inswinging crosses have been amazing recently).
I'm not sure about that. I think they've been too much like me in my 20s & 30s, a little on the high side.
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Ramsey / Chuk / McGinn / Luiz / Nakamba / Sanson is a good blend. The position demands that they run themselves into the ground and probably pick up suspensions so sensible rotation and substitutions should mean that all remain involved.
Another DM would be handy but they’d need to be top class as otherwise they could block the path of the youngsters.
At this point any signing we make needs to be either top class or one for the future, we don't need squad filler.
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Good team. My only worry is getting the best out of Buendia and McGinn in the inside-forward positions as I think they both prefer the right hand side (McGinn's inswinging crosses have been amazing recently).
I'm not sure about that. I think they've been too much like me in my 20s & 30s, a little on the high side.
I always think that but then they dip faster than Kris Kristofferson's Sunday mornings.
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Good team. My only worry is getting the best out of Buendia and McGinn in the inside-forward positions as I think they both prefer the right hand side (McGinn's inswinging crosses have been amazing recently).
I'm not sure about that. I think they've been too much like me in my 20s & 30s, a little on the high side.
I always think that but then they dip faster than Kris Kristofferson's Sunday mornings.
Have you been talking to my girlfriend?
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My first good look at him today. I like him. A very skilful ball winner who’s able to develop attacks and move play forward. It was a mistake to sub him as lost a little bit of momentum we had built up.
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My first good look at him today. I like him. A very skilful ball winner who’s able to develop attacks and move play forward. It was a mistake to sub him as lost a little bit of momentum we had built up.
Agree with the analysis of his game but he looked knackered so wasn’t surprised he was subbed. Just a shame we were a bit weaker for his absence. Get Ginny and Charney in and there’s competition for places and rotation.
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He was very tidy today andI liked his work. I reckon SG decided he wouldn't last the 90 minutes on recall.
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Was very impressed today, he tired a bit after half time but was calm and collected in possession and stronger than I expected in the tackle. His passing was a bit awry on occasion but he definitely added something to the team.
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Really impressed with his performance and looks like a very good player.
Had to be subbed though as he tired but that's not surprising considering he's been out for so long.
Looks a really good buy and adds serious competition to the midfield places.
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Cracking at times.Wonder where his best position might be.I'd say middle rather than drifting to the flanks.
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A good debut for Sanson last night. Promising.
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Looks suited to the formation Gerrard favours. Can hopefully really establish himself in the team over the coming months.
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He is quality. Exactly what we have been missing.
We suddenly look like we have a decent midfield to pick from.
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Bloke behind me berated him constantly then stood up and cheered when he got substituted. He then got on El Ghazi's back for the remainder of the game. Couple of weeks ago he remarked to his mate that Buendia was the worst player he'd ever seen. The mind boggles.
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I thought he was our best performer for 75 mins. Once fully fit he will add a much needed presence to the midfield.
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Bloke behind me berated him constantly then stood up and cheered when he got substituted. He then got on El Ghazi's back for the remainder of the game. Couple of weeks ago he remarked to his mate that Buendia was the worst player he'd ever seen. The mind boggles.
Some of our 'support' just love to moan, always have.
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His sub appearances of late have shown a lot of promise. I think the game last night passed him by. He was a bit slow on the press, where McGinn would have been right in there. He also ran out of puff quickly, but that's probably not surprising as he's essentially still catching up. He'll have better games. But I do think if we've got one player you put in before anyone in that 3, it's McGinn, and increasingly JJ is also becoming major. Douglas continues blowing hot and cold, and yesterday was no different. That said, a couple of his out balls were superb.
It's certainly way too early to write off Sanson (likewise Emi 2).
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I thought Sanson was excellent and has a future with us. The sooner we get rid of Buendia the better…
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I thought Sanson was excellent and has a future with us. The sooner we get rid of Buendia the better…
he needs to stop posting Instagram pics of his matching christmas pyjamas with his wife and get down the gym and beef up a bit .
Yes you have a lovely big house Emi and amazing decorations but start earning the big bucks and stop looking like that other lightweight we bought from Birmingham.
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Disagree I think he’s a good player, who is growing into his role.
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Disagree I think he’s a good player, who is growing into his role.
Seconded
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Also as an aside, and apologies I know this isn’t the Emi B thread (but I think Sanson will be good anyway), whilst the PJs were a bit much at least he’s at home with his family not out on the lash.
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What’s posting family photographs got anything to do with his Villa career? I know it was cheesy but what’s the harm? Our other Emi was at it, same outfit too. Not the whole family this time.
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Bloke behind me berated him constantly then stood up and cheered when he got substituted. He then got on El Ghazi's back for the remainder of the game. Couple of weeks ago he remarked to his mate that Buendia was the worst player he'd ever seen. The mind boggles.
I don't know how old the fella behind you was, but when I was in the Holte in the late 90's, there was a fella there who pretty much berated every player in our team no matter who it was or what they did in the whole team. Occasionally he wasn't there but got a mates seat behind the bench so he could have a go at them directly. He was probably in his early 40's then so would be mid 60's now.
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I thought Sanson was excellent and has a future with us. The sooner we get rid of Buendia the better…
he needs to stop posting Instagram pics of his matching christmas pyjamas with his wife and get down the gym and beef up a bit .
Yes you have a lovely big house Emi and amazing decorations but start earning the big bucks and stop looking like that other lightweight we bought from Birmingham.
As long as his wife is in them, he can post as many pictures as he likes. Or send them to me directly, either is fine.
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Sanson has had awful luck with injuries and barely any chance to show consistently what he can do. Anyone who thinks we've seen enough to write him off has clearly had too much of the Christmas sherry.
And while we're at it, for our record signing, I know the expectations are higher, but Buendia needs more time too - he's clearly a talented player, we have seen flashes of it.
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McGinn on one of his inevitable suspensions maybe Sanson will deputise Vs Man Utd at home ?
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Yes Sanson is in today. Good luck to him v Man Utd.
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This guy was really poor at tracking back 1st half and not showing required energy
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Really poor glad he was subbed as his fault for goal.
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Terrible error for second. Disappointing as Coutinho was prepped ready to come on at that point.
He's neat and tidy but think some of the praise he was getting first half was OTT.
Nowhere near as influential for us as McGinn and will go back down the pecking order once we sign a DM.
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I feel like Sanson could be decent if he had a run of games. He picked some nice passes today and was combative. Maybe he's not quite up to speed, as Buendia wasn't earlier in the season. Obviously Sanson's error will have put a black mark against his name for many, but if we can persevere with Mings through all his many errors, we can surely give a little grace to Sanson.
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He needs a solid run in the team before being written off. I feel for him tbh.
Was not a good game for him.
Keep trying Morgan.
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I don’t think he’s shown enough to suggest that he’s ever going to command a place regularly in the starting 11, especially if we keep buying good players this month.
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Terrible error for second. Disappointing as Coutinho was prepped ready to come on at that point.
He's neat and tidy but think some of the praise he was getting first half was OTT.
Nowhere near as influential for us as McGinn and will go back down the pecking order once we sign a DM.
His fault goals conceded
He was getting praise first half for what? Glad I didn't see anyone commenting on that. I mean he was doing some basics and couple of nice touches but nothing as a collective
Gave away free kicks 1st goal
Gave away ball for 2nd goal
He's was particularly awful because he wasn't covering Cash and doing what's required in the system
He was giving fouls away and affording space on the right sod eof man utd attack
I love to know what people are claiming was so good.
He looks sluggish and attitude.
Clearly Gerrard was suggesting that he was a player basically kot doing his duties first half.
From tv saw Cash and Mings having to talk to him . Telling him postional play.
He's different to Traroe (but same lack of cover) and different system but Sanson isn't either fit or bothered to do what's required for when Cash gets forward.
He also doesn't make enough movement so I think SG will be having serious words
McGinn was much missed.
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Thought he did OK today, but like a few others, he has that really poor mistake in him and it was a costly one today.
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assaulted the water bottles again after being taken off. I dont think that sends the right message.
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He has gone on Twitter to apologize. That he was upset at his mistake that led to their second goal and leaving the game 0-2. Basically his emotions got the better of him.
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He has gone on Twitter to apologize. That he was upset at his mistake that led to their second goal and leaving the game 0-2. Basically his emotions got the better of him.
Good attitude to do this.
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https://twitter.com/morgan_sanson8/status/1482469150090006535?s=21
https://twitter.com/morgan_sanson8/status/1482469589493686278?s=21
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Thought he played well today, he’s certainly growing into the PL.
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He could be some player if he had a run of games. Just not sure it’ll be with us as he’s not the type of player we need.
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Played well today when going forwards. Provided little to no support to Cash in the first half. Ollie was having to cover the right side which is ridiculous.
To many of our midfielders are the same...better going forwards but suspect when it comes to defensive responsibilities. Hopefully this will be addressed.
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He's neat and has a nice touch and turn, he's just a little off still and the midfield lacked drive with him in it.
He needs to start taking his chances in the side though as he'll find himself on the periphery very quickly.
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I thought he played pretty well - certainly no worse than anyone else in the first 25 (when everyone was bad), but apart from that I thought he moved the ball well, carried it where it was appropriate and got his foot in at times too. I liked him geeing up his teammates in the second half when the press worked. The back pass was a mistake, clearly, but I still think Mings’ hesitation cost us as much - he could have beaten Fred to the ball had he not hesitated.
Kicking the bottle in frustration at giving a goal away is fine by me, I’d be more annoyed if he could shrug off mistakes like that.
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Looks like Footy has found his new Grealish to dissect ::)
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I’m glad that he was so angry with himself after that mistake yesterday. Not pleased with the reaction but at least it shows that he gives a damn. He started to show some quality and needs the minutes on the pitch. Not sure he’s better than anyone else we have in that position to be fair but will provide competition.
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He played OK, but needs to press much more consistently without the ball. Got some lovely touches on it though.
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I thought he grew in to the game yesterday. At first he was way off the pace, losing his runners far too easily and getting pulled around off the ball.
On the ball you can see his class but he's got to improve if he expects to start more games as I'd much prefer McGinn in there at the mo.
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I thought he was very good when we had the ball and pretty poor when we didn’t.
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That outburst after being subbed trumped any of Ross Barkley's petulance last season!
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That outburst after being subbed trumped any of Ross Barkley's petulance last season!
Don't think sitting down with boots off in front of the Holte End will ever be beaten 😜
Deano really should have sent Barks packing after that one.
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That outburst after being subbed trumped any of Ross Barkley's petulance last season!
Barkley's always seemed more 'how dare you?' Yesterday's was pure frustration with himself.
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That outburst after being subbed trumped any of Ross Barkley's petulance last season!
Except it wasn’t petulance it was frustration.
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That outburst after being subbed trumped any of Ross Barkley's petulance last season!
Except it wasn’t petulance it was frustration.
and he apologised
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He cares. He didn’t show it in the best way. Nothing at all like Barkley. He’s been really frustrated since joining us and he knows this is a massive opportunity for him. He was really good yesterday that mistake aside.
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That outburst after being subbed trumped any of Ross Barkley's petulance last season!
Don't think sitting down with boots off in front of the Holte End will ever be beaten 😜
Deano really should have sent Barks packing after that one.
Which game was that?
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He cares. He didn’t show it in the best way. Nothing at all like Barkley. He’s been really frustrated since joining us and he knows this is a massive opportunity for him. He was really good yesterday that mistake aside.
No he wasn't
He wasn't tracking back first half and covering Cash.
Was ultimately at fault for both goals.
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He cares. He didn’t show it in the best way. Nothing at all like Barkley. He’s been really frustrated since joining us and he knows this is a massive opportunity for him. He was really good yesterday that mistake aside.
No he wasn't
He wasn't tracking back first half and covering Cash.
Was ultimately at fault for both goals.
Thank goodness for that, here's me blaming Emi for letting the ball go through his legs.
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He cares. He didn’t show it in the best way. Nothing at all like Barkley. He’s been really frustrated since joining us and he knows this is a massive opportunity for him. He was really good yesterday that mistake aside.
No he wasn't
He wasn't tracking back first half and covering Cash.
Was ultimately at fault for both goals.
How was he at fault for 1st goal? He chased back and poked ball away from the player but ref gave free-kick that shouldn't have been given, can't blame Sanson for doing his job! Obviously when freekick given it is Sanson's fault for goal and not Martinez? Doh! Also on several occasions Cash went forward and lost the ball he made very little effort to get back - he just strolled back as if he couldn't care less leaving others like Sanson and Luiz to cover for him
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He cares. He didn’t show it in the best way. Nothing at all like Barkley. He’s been really frustrated since joining us and he knows this is a massive opportunity for him. He was really good yesterday that mistake aside.
No he wasn't
He wasn't tracking back first half and covering Cash.
Was ultimately at fault for both goals.
Thank goodness for that, here's me blaming Emi for letting the ball go through his legs.
I think it is a bit harsh to blame him for the first goal. We collectively started very slowly
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He cares. He didn’t show it in the best way. Nothing at all like Barkley. He’s been really frustrated since joining us and he knows this is a massive opportunity for him. He was really good yesterday that mistake aside.
No he wasn't
He wasn't tracking back first half and covering Cash.
Was ultimately at fault for both goals.
How was he at fault for 1st goal? He chased back and poked ball away from the player but ref gave free-kick that shouldn't have been given, can't blame Sanson for doing his job! Obviously when freekick given it is Sanson's fault for goal and not Martinez? Doh! Also on several occasions Cash went forward and lost the ball he made very little effort to get back - he just strolled back as if he couldn't care less leaving others like Sanson and Luiz to cover for him
Well exactly the free kick was given away by him and when the free kick was taken he wasn't alert at all and allowed the shot to come in.
Because he was probably too busy sulking
For me he wasn't great . He made some nice touches granted but to not suggest he was weak at covering back shows poor understanding as his role on that side of the midfield was also to come back as well as stay back when Cash went forward.
He wasn't up to speed players running by him constantly and clearly was someone Gerrard wasn't happy with so hooked him off after his Captain
And I don't buy his reasoning for his bottle kicking.
He was annoyed and frustrated at being subbed not given goal away.
Clearly he's got too much of an ego when behaves like that.
Bad attitude.
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Footy, listen to Steven Gerrard's post match interview. He covered the whole substitute issue and the supposed petulance. He is always very honest and I trust his word.
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Naive. That's ridiculous. Like he's going to say anything.
Sanson won't start the next game
As for me because I savvy on these football matters and would never just go by public announcements. Only see what they want you to hear
Sanson won't fit here for Villa and Gerrard.
Smith didn't have much time for him and he was an opportunistic signing who we could probably make money from or at least get money back
I don't see him making it at Villa at the moment. I'm very disappointed as he was a class act and excellent footballer better than McGinn technically and has goals in him
But obviously he doesn't suit here so sorry to say best to move on I said that about Wesley and Guilbert.
Anyhow I refuse to comment on his thread anymore till he at least shows required levels.
Debate over
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He cares. He didn’t show it in the best way. Nothing at all like Barkley. He’s been really frustrated since joining us and he knows this is a massive opportunity for him. He was really good yesterday that mistake aside.
No he wasn't
He wasn't tracking back first half and covering Cash.
Was ultimately at fault for both goals.
What a load of bollocks
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Naive. That's ridiculous. Like he's going to say anything.
Sanson won't start the next game
Isn’t there a Norwich messageboard for you somewhere? You seem happier with their result.
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He cares. He didn’t show it in the best way. Nothing at all like Barkley. He’s been really frustrated since joining us and he knows this is a massive opportunity for him. He was really good yesterday that mistake aside.
No he wasn't
He wasn't tracking back first half and covering Cash.
Was ultimately at fault for both goals.
What a load of bollocks
I really think more is being made of this than there is
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He cares. He didn’t show it in the best way. Nothing at all like Barkley. He’s been really frustrated since joining us and he knows this is a massive opportunity for him. He was really good yesterday that mistake aside.
No he wasn't
He wasn't tracking back first half and covering Cash.
Was ultimately at fault for both goals.
What a load of bollocks
Yeah you are actually clearly unable to see things objectively
I refuse to partake in charade as that's just low level debate as a retort
Well done very good retort indeed !
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Naive. That's ridiculous. Like he's going to say anything.
Sanson won't start the next game
Blimey! You really are the font of all knowledge and simply hate anything that Steven Gerrard says or does because he isn't Dean Smith. Dean has gone, get over it, get on with it. Sanson kicked the bottles because he gave the goal away. Gerrard asked him directly and reported that when asked by the reporter, otherwise, why would he say anything at all, other than the matter will be dealt with internally? Sanson may not start the next game because we have McGinn back and Ramsey is undroppable as our best midfielder currently. Luiz has to play because Sanson is not a holding midfielder. I'm not sure if you are a wind up or not but you need to chill.
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Naive. That's ridiculous. Like he's going to say anything.
Sanson won't start the next game
Isn’t there a Norwich messageboard for you somewhere? You seem happier with their result.
Yes because if we lost yesterday we all would have been happy!
Imagine if he stayed on and ings went off. We lose that game the comments on Sanson would be very different.
Just because I'm able to think and see things about players and matches that haven't been addressed and not agreed upon by a reader because they uncomfortable with truths is sometimes more than just subjective observations by them
I just ask people to try and see context and perspective just a little more sometimes as the facts :
Sanson had nothing to do with our comeback!! Fact!
We scored 2 goals and looked heaps better with him off the pitch yes or no?
And as we all know he was at fault for both goals conceded that's the bare truth.
Anyway. We don't need to go on let's all move on
And I'm pleased for Dean if that's what you mean.
Up the Villa.
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Imagine if he stayed on and ings went off. We lose that game the comments on Sanson would be very different.
Just because I'm able to think and see things about players and matches that haven't been addressed and not agreed upon by a reader because they uncomfortable with truths is sometimes more than just subjective observations by them
Ings did go off about 6 minutes after Sanson was subbed.
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Naive. That's ridiculous. Like he's going to say anything.
Sanson won't start the next game
Blimey! You really are the font of all knowledge and simply hate anything that Steven Gerrard says or does because he isn't Dean Smith. Dean has gone, get over it, get on with it. Sanson kicked the bottles because he gave the goal away. Gerrard asked him directly and reported that when asked by the reporter, otherwise, why would he say anything at all, other than the matter will be dealt with internally? Sanson may not start the next game because we have McGinn back and Ramsey is undroppable as our best midfielder currently. Luiz has to play because Sanson is not a holding midfielder. I'm not sure if you are a wind up or not but you need to chill.
I trying to move away from this conversation
But to address we clearly see things differently and I dislike being ridiculed for my observations because they aren't the same yet ultimately very good as well in my view
That's all
Sometimes others also have great insights , foresight and views which I haven't seen so I'm hardly all knowing. Plenty here say many accurate things or even interesting opinions
Its the idea that there could be a differing view or take and the lack of accepting , acknowledging of considering it by some that irks me
It's like they make a view or opinion when it's not really that considered
Anyway I'm very upset about Smith so people should be more respecting of that
And yes I will have a time out till after Everton
For the respect of the good people here and myself
No quarrels with anyone just respecting this public space for others.
Up the Villa
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Naive. That's ridiculous. Like he's going to say anything.
Sanson won't start the next game
Blimey! You really are the font of all knowledge and simply hate anything that Steven Gerrard says or does because he isn't Dean Smith. Dean has gone, get over it, get on with it. Sanson kicked the bottles because he gave the goal away. Gerrard asked him directly and reported that when asked by the reporter, otherwise, why would he say anything at all, other than the matter will be dealt with internally? Sanson may not start the next game because we have McGinn back and Ramsey is undroppable as our best midfielder currently. Luiz has to play because Sanson is not a holding midfielder. I'm not sure if you are a wind up or not but you need to chill.
I trying to move away from this conversation
But to address we clearly see things differently and I dislike being ridiculed for my observations because they aren't the same yet ultimately very good as well in my view
That's all
Sometimes others also have great insights , foresight and views which I haven't seen so I'm hardly all knowing. Plenty here say many accurate things or even interesting opinions
Its the idea that there could be a differing view or take and the lack of accepting , acknowledging of considering it by some that irks me
It's like they make a view or opinion when it's not really that considered
Anyway I'm very upset about Smith so people should be more respecting of that
And yes I will have a time out till after Everton
For the respect of the good people here and myself
No quarrels with anyone just respecting this public space for others.
Up the Villa
Calling some naive is also ridiculing. Easy come, easy go. Let's leave it there eh? Have a good evening.
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I trying to move away from this conversation
But to address we clearly see things differently and I dislike being ridiculed for my observations because they aren't the same yet ultimately very good as well in my view
That's all
You might want to give the politics threads a miss. ;)
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Agree. Sorry I called you naive. That's was poor by Me. And uncalled for. Must respect that's how things are seen differently on Gerrards interview.
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I trying to move away from this conversation
But to address we clearly see things differently and I dislike being ridiculed for my observations because they aren't the same yet ultimately very good as well in my view
That's all
You might want to give the politics threads a miss. ;)
I'm only here for the football to be honest!
We move on.
Everyone has a point as good as each others!
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Footy, listen to Steven Gerrard's post match interview. He covered the whole substitute issue and the supposed petulance. He is always very honest and I trust his word.
Do you have a link? He didn't talk about Sanson in the MOTD or VillaTV ones.
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Footy, listen to Steven Gerrard's post match interview. He covered the whole substitute issue and the supposed petulance. He is always very honest and I trust his word.
Do you have a link? He didn't talk about Sanson in the MOTD or VillaTV ones.
Steven Gerrard says Morgan Sanson assured him his reaction after being subbed was frustration at his own error, rather than the head coach's decision. "I am OK with mistakes when players are trying to do the right things. There is no issue," said Gerrard. #avfc
https://twitter.com/mjmarr_star/status/1482454992787320835?s=21
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Cheers.
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Footy, listen to Steven Gerrard's post match interview. He covered the whole substitute issue and the supposed petulance. He is always very honest and I trust his word.
Do you have a link? He didn't talk about Sanson in the MOTD or VillaTV ones.
It was on Sky match one mate, straight after the game, or I should say, once Keane, Redknapp and Dave Jones could be bothered to remember that there were two sides playing in the game!
Edit, TV covered it above, thanks TV.
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Full context from the Express & Star (which are a tonic in their online layout and reporting compared to the pop-ups on steroids, lazy Twitter-opinions-masquerading-as-stories shite on the Brum Mail site):
The Villa boss also revealed he had spoken to Morgan Sanson after the midfielder booted a water bottle carrier following his second half substitution. Sanson was withdrawn from the action seconds after his error led to United’s second.
Gerrard said: “I asked Morgan whether the frustration was at me or himself for the error.
“He assures me it was over the error. I am OK with mistakes when players are trying to do the right things.
“We have all made mistakes through our career. I will never point a finger at a player. I would have had an issue if Morgan’s reaction was because of my decision because I think you have to respect the person replacing you on the side. He assures me it has nothing to do with that so there is no issue.”
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Naive. That's ridiculous. Like he's going to say anything.
Sanson won't start the next game
Isn’t there a Norwich messageboard for you somewhere? You seem happier with their result.
Yes because if we lost yesterday we all would have been happy!
Imagine if he stayed on and ings went off. We lose that game the comments on Sanson would be very different.
Just because I'm able to think and see things about players and matches that haven't been addressed and not agreed upon by a reader because they uncomfortable with truths is sometimes more than just subjective observations by them
I just ask people to try and see context and perspective just a little more sometimes as the facts :
Sanson had nothing to do with our comeback!! Fact!
We scored 2 goals and looked heaps better with him off the pitch yes or no?
And as we all know he was at fault for both goals conceded that's the bare truth.
Anyway. We don't need to go on let's all move on
And I'm pleased for Dean if that's what you mean.
Up the Villa.
We’re so lucky to have a poster with your in depth knowledge and analysis that nobody else is capable of.
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I think Emi was at fault for the first goal judging by his reaction to the equaliser!
I thought Sanson had a decent game and is an important part of the squad.
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I know this might be sacrilege but I think Sanson is better than McGinn. His passing is more incisive and he's less inclined to lose the ball, either through failed arse-maneouvres or over-ambition. It's probably less stressful for spectators sitting behind and around the goal as well.
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I know this might be sacrilege but I think Sanson is better than McGinn. His passing is more incisive and he's less inclined to lose the ball, either through failed arse-maneouvres or over-ambition. It's probably less stressful for spectators sitting behind and around the goal as well.
I agree about Sanson being better than McGinn. Would like to see him get a more regular role in the team.
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Although it was a poor pass from Sanson, I thought Mings could have gone towards the loose ball and closed down their player
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I think Emi was at fault for the first goal judging by his reaction to the equaliser!
I thought Sanson had a decent game and is an important part of the squad.
No thinking involved, buddy 😂
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I think Emi was at fault for the first goal judging by his reaction to the equaliser!
I thought Sanson had a decent game and is an important part of the squad.
No thinking involved, buddy 😂
Yeah if I was to point the finger at anyone for the first goal, it was the keeper!
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I think Emi was at fault for the first goal judging by his reaction to the equaliser!
I thought Sanson had a decent game and is an important part of the squad.
No thinking involved, buddy 😂
Yeah if I was to point the finger at anyone for the first goal, it was the keeper!
My surprise is that Mings hasn't been blamed for the first goal
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Although it was a poor pass from Sanson, I thought Mings could have gone towards the loose ball and closed down their player
I agree, whilst it is easy with hindsight, he had the opportunity to take Fred out and take a tactical yellow.
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I know this might be sacrilege but I think Sanson is better than McGinn. His passing is more incisive and he's less inclined to lose the ball, either through failed arse-maneouvres or over-ambition. It's probably less stressful for spectators sitting behind and around the goal as well.
I agree about Sanson being better than McGinn. Would like to see him get a more regular role in the team.
Agreed - Much better use of the ball. Though you can't bottle McGinn's energy and fight. Can't we splice them into one player? ;)
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I think Emi was at fault for the first goal judging by his reaction to the equaliser!
I thought Sanson had a decent game and is an important part of the squad.
No thinking involved, buddy 😂
Yeah if I was to point the finger at anyone for the first goal, it was the keeper!
My surprise is that Mings hasn't been blamed for the first goal
Don’t worry there was some clown on Twitter with a multi post picture thread showing that Mings played Cavani onside which then distracted Martinez. <rolls eyes>
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He was very good on Saturday shame about the pass for their second.
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There's something about him that makes me really want him to do well.
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There's something about him that makes me really want him to do well.
the villa shirt ? no he is a player that i think with games will get better
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He was also excellent away at Chelsea in the League Cup, so much so I think we would have won that game if he hadn't gone off injured at the end of the 1st half. Think him and Buendia have potential to form a very good midfield partnership.
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He was also excellent away at Chelsea in the League Cup, so much so I think we would have won that game if he hadn't gone off injured at the end of the 1st half. Think him and Buendia have potential to form a very good midfield partnership.
Yes agreed. But I think right now McGinn is too important to the team and Ramsey is undroppable.
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McGinn has the arse but not the skillz.
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Its how it should be, genuine competition for every position and the ability to rest players without fundamentally weakening the team.
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Didn't put a foot wrong today, seriously though I expected him to come on early in the second half as McGinn and Luiz were so poor. Doesn't bode well for him if Carney keeps coming on ahead of him, he'll be sold in the summer by the looks of it.
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On his way to becoming another Berson, Makoun type who never gets a real look in despite us having actual problems in the position he can play.
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Not sure what has to happen on the pitch for this guy to get a chance.
The worst that can happen is he’ll prove himself not good enough, whereas right now, I don’t think any one could call it either way.
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Sanson must be a right twat in training as we’re now into our second manager and he still don’t get a sniff.
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Gerrard gave him some starts. Has he played a minute since the mistake and being subbed off in Man. United game?
Think that says it all regardless of whether it's right or wrong.
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Sanson must be a right twat in training as we’re now into our second manager and he still don’t get a sniff.
It's a weird one as I've quite liked the look of him in the bits he has played.
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He's not a DM though.
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Luiz doesn’t look like any sort of midfielder at the moment.
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Luiz doesn’t look like any sort of midfielder at the moment.
I’ve never quite understood what Luiz’s role is supposed to be and what his strengths are
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I would like Sanson to start all our remaining matches and John McGinn to be benched for all of our remaining matches.
Mistake aside, he looked very good against manure. I have no problems with bit part players making mistakes because they're match rusty, but there's no excuse for players like McGinn and Luiz who are consistently poor week in, week out.
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Luiz doesn’t look like any sort of midfielder at the moment.
Indeed, he shouldn't be starting.
Sanson and McGinn holding at best though won't solve anything either though. Infairness i think we'd have seen Sanson start more but Ramsey has been so good lately you can't leave him out.
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Luiz doesn’t look like any sort of midfielder at the moment.
I’ve never quite understood what Luiz’s role is supposed to be and what his strengths are
The concept of Douglas Luiz - confident, technically accomplished Brazilian midfielder - always seems at odds with the actuality of Douglas Luiz - sloppy passing, dreadful set pieces, lethargy and dreadful body language.
The only thing that impresses me about him is his girlfriend.
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Was it Steve Bruce who said, "We don't bother with tactics?" At the moment it looks that way again. Nobody knows what to do.
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I’m not 100% convinced by Sanson but I think he deserves a run in the side over JSM or Luik who have both been terrible for quite sometime.
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We seen glimpses of both Samson and Chuk and what I’ve seen Sanson offers us more, but chunks getting the nod why.?
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Maybe to encourage him to sign a new deal? Give him time so we can all see where he's at.
Sanson really needs a run now.
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I would like Sanson to start all our remaining matches and John McGinn to be benched for all of our remaining matches.
Mistake aside, he looked very good against manure. I have no problems with bit part players making mistakes because they're match rusty, but there's no excuse for players like McGinn and Luiz who are consistently poor week in, week out.
I'm not against your proposal to be honest, I'm still so angry I'd probably sell the bloody lot of them today if decent bids came in.
But although he looked tidy against Man Utd, it felt like he was still on the periphery of the game until his key pass to Fred, and once he went off we got control of the game and were all over them.
He deserves a chance after that shitshow yesterday though.
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I would like Sanson to start all our remaining matches and John McGinn to be benched for all of our remaining matches.
Mistake aside, he looked very good against manure. I have no problems with bit part players making mistakes because they're match rusty, but there's no excuse for players like McGinn and Luiz who are consistently poor week in, week out.
I'm not against your proposal to be honest, I'm still so angry I'd probably sell the bloody lot of them today if decent bids came in.
But although he looked tidy against Man Utd, it felt like he was still on the periphery of the game until his key pass to Fred, and once he went off we got control of the game and were all over them.
He deserves a chance after that shitshow yesterday though.
I keep thinking back to the Chelsea league Cup game, where against a pretty much full strength top 3 side, he was the best player on the pitch. He deserves a run of games to show what he can do. McGinn and Luiz have had a run of games, and they've both been shit.
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I would like Sanson to start all our remaining matches and John McGinn to be benched for all of our remaining matches.
Mistake aside, he looked very good against manure. I have no problems with bit part players making mistakes because they're match rusty, but there's no excuse for players like McGinn and Luiz who are consistently poor week in, week out.
I'm not against your proposal to be honest, I'm still so angry I'd probably sell the bloody lot of them today if decent bids came in.
But although he looked tidy against Man Utd, it felt like he was still on the periphery of the game until his key pass to Fred, and once he went off we got control of the game and were all over them.
He deserves a chance after that shitshow yesterday though.
I keep thinking back to the Chelsea league Cup game, where against a pretty much full strength top 3 side, he was the best player on the pitch. He deserves a run of games to show what he can do. McGinn and Luiz have had a run of games, and they've both been shit.
hard to argue with that
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No arguments from me
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Yep it’s definitely time for Luiz to have a little sit down and Sanson to get a run. I think he’ll be a little better anyway.
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What frustrates me is that post the United game it was quite clear he was annoyed about his sloppy pass that led to the 2nd goal but he’s not had a look in since. We’ve got 4 eights in the squad and at the moment I’d rank him as second best behind Ramsey. He’d certainly offer more with the ball than McGinn.
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What frustrates me is that post the United game it was quite clear he was annoyed about his sloppy pass that led to the 2nd goal but he’s not had a look in since. We’ve got 4 eights in the squad and at the moment I’d rank him as second best behind Ramsey. He’d certainly offer more with the ball than McGinn.
He's also not the only one to make that mistake this season. Ashley Young played an almost identical under-hit backpass against Norwich, but the forward fucked it up when it was possibly easier to get a shot away.
I would be very surprised if that is what has cost him. I think it's just a case of Gerrard has been happy enough with the midfield three, and the one he'd likely have come in for - Ramsey - is in the form of his career to date. Obviously Gerrard's view of his midfield three will change for Watdford.
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If he can’t get in this side there must be serious question marks about his attitude in training and his long term future. I’m expecting to see him start on Saturday.
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If he can’t get in this side there must be serious question marks about his attitude in training and his long term future. I’m expecting to see him start on Saturday.
I said the same after the game yesterday. Surely must be worth a start this weekend. The only doubt is that he's carrying a small knock and wouldn't be risked. Hopefully, a weeks full of training and he'll be ready. Hodgson is a canny old fucker and will pack the midfield.
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Just not sure of the balance if we play him as a 6. He should start though as Watford will barely cross halfway line based on how they've played under Woy so far so perhaps a game where it isn't that crucial.
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Well after last weeks comments by SG I expected to see Morgan start today, he can't be showing much in training not to get a look in at the moment.
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If he can’t get in this side there must be serious question marks about his attitude in training and his long term future. I’m expecting to see him start on Saturday.
Or it could be, like in most cases, its nothing to do with training and just whether your face fits. When was the last time a first team player was dropped for someone who's done well in training?
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I think the penny may have dropped today with Luiz being hooked. Meatball is harder to drop cos of the extra "Micah-Richards bonhomie" factor he brings to the dressing-room.
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I dont imagine SJM is a xenophobic buffoon.
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If you’re Sanson you’re having a conversation with your agent this evening about your next move in the summer.
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Enough is enough Mr Gerrard , stick him in next week and give him a chance.
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I think the penny may have dropped today with Luiz being hooked. Meatball is harder to drop cos of the extra "Micah-Richards bonhomie" factor he brings to the dressing-room.
I saw a Twitter Q&A with one of the players (might have been Ramsey) this week and when asked who talked the most in the dressing room he said Konsa. That surprised me, thought it would be McGinn or Mings.
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This guy must be a right lazy fecker in training or have made a pass at Gerrard's wife or something to not be able to get into this midfield.
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This guy must be a right lazy fecker in training or have made a pass at Gerrard's wife or something to not be able to get into this midfield.
Seems to be out of favour, which has happened now with both managers he has played under. Coincidence or a common theme perhaps?
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He has had outbursts which shows at least that he is passionate about playing, I would think Gerrard has ideas of selling him in the summer but if he plays and does well he may have to keep him.
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He’s never really had a chance here. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he left and did well elsewhere. If he doesn’t get a game next week after recent performances he’s got no future here whatsoever.
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It's telling that the last 2 managers haven't played him. Must be attitude.
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There must be some reason for this, two managers completely ignoring him.
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Whatever it is, it doesn't seem to be related to actual playing ability -at times he's been excellent.
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It’s amazing to think that pretty much every single French player in our history has not succeeded with us. I believe Digne is the 11th or 12th. Some like Veretout, Amavi came with good reputations, didn’t fulfil it with us and have gone on to have very good post Villa careers. Others were non entities like Berson that went back to just that. We’ve had players that amounted to very little; Didier Agathe, Charles N’Zogbia and soon to be on the list Freddie G. Players who were just crap like Cissokho.
Hopefully Lucas Digne breaks this trend. But I don’t get what’s wrong with Sanson because he came with a really good reputation and never has got going. No doubt he will be like Veretout and we will hear about him scoring CL goals next season.
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The two managers we've had have hardly been rip-roaring successes.
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Let's face it, we could have signed Zidane and he's have ended up playing like Mark Kinsella.
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There must be some reason for this, two managers completely ignoring him.
Partly Deano's Francophobia innit? First Guilbert ostracised, then Sanson, probably thought Engels was from the French-speaking part of Belgium.
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It's telling that the last 2 managers haven't played him. Must be attitude.
The two games he's started were when McGinn was out. So think it's just a simple case he's an alternative to McGinn and no one else. Perhaps if Ramsey hadn't been in such good form he might've got a game in JJ's position.
Telling though since the error v Man. United he's come on once and that was 90th minute sub v Everton so seems since that game Gerrard has ruled him out as legitimate option.
He'll be back playing in France next season.
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McGinn's errors against Newcastle were legion, he just got away with them. There's no defending McGinn at the moment and he should be out the side.
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It’s amazing to think that pretty much every single French player in our history has not succeeded with us. I believe Digne is the 11th or 12th. Some like Veretout, Amavi came with good reputations, didn’t fulfil it with us and have gone on to have very good post Villa careers. Others were non entities like Berson that went back to just that. We’ve had players that amounted to very little; Didier Agathe, Charles N’Zogbia and soon to be on the list Freddie G. Players who were just crap like Cissokho.
Hopefully Lucas Digne breaks this trend. But I don’t get what’s wrong with Sanson because he came with a really good reputation and never has got going. No doubt he will be like Veretout and we will hear about him scoring CL goals next season.
Didier Six was the first French player we bought that I can remember, made an OK debut and that was about it.
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Let's face it, we could have signed Zidane and he's have ended up playing like Mark Kinsella.
He doesn't fit the system and can't play as a '6', get rid and spend the money on Thomas Graveson.
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It seems strange we bought him and two managers won't play him something's happened behind closed doors.
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He's acted with petulance twice this season - once on the bench at Arsenal after failing to get on, the second time going full Ross Barkley and kicking the water bottle as he came off against ManUre. I don't know if that has counted against him. Surprising in a way as he seems to have a cool head on the pitch but it must be down to him annoyed that after waiting so long for an opportunity, it hasn't gone to plan.
We're going to need as many players with composure on the ball at Brighton and that can keep hold of the fucking thing, so he's got to be in for Saturday.
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Let's face it, we could have signed Zidane and he's have ended up playing like Mark Kinsella.
In fairness to Marky Mark, he took pointing to a level hitherto unimagined. Then came Westwood, who further advanced the art form.
Both are good players, but they feature in many of my nightmares.
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He's acted with petulance twice this season - once on the bench at Arsenal after failing to get on, the second time going full Ross Barkley and kicking the water bottle as he came off against ManUre. I don't know if that has counted against him. Surprising in a way as he seems to have a cool head on the pitch but it must be down to him annoyed that after waiting so long for an opportunity, it hasn't gone to plan.
We're going to need as many players with composure on the ball at Brighton and that can keep hold of the fucking thing, so he's got to be in for Saturday.
Wouldn't count on it. In the system we play, he can only really come in for McGinn or Ramsey. The failure to address the defensive midfielder issue in January is now coming back to bite Gerrard just like it did with Dean Smith.
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He's acted with petulance twice this season - once on the bench at Arsenal after failing to get on, the second time going full Ross Barkley and kicking the water bottle as he came off against ManUre. I don't know if that has counted against him. Surprising in a way as he seems to have a cool head on the pitch but it must be down to him annoyed that after waiting so long for an opportunity, it hasn't gone to plan.
We're going to need as many players with composure on the ball at Brighton and that can keep hold of the fucking thing, so he's got to be in for Saturday.
Wouldn't count on it. In the system we play, he can only really come in for McGinn or Ramsey. The failure to address the defensive midfielder issue in January is now coming back to bite Gerrard just like it did with Dean Smith.
Good point.
I predict the Chambers chappy will get the gig pro tem.
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He's acted with petulance twice this season - once on the bench at Arsenal after failing to get on, the second time going full Ross Barkley and kicking the water bottle as he came off against ManUre. I don't know if that has counted against him. Surprising in a way as he seems to have a cool head on the pitch but it must be down to him annoyed that after waiting so long for an opportunity, it hasn't gone to plan.
We're going to need as many players with composure on the ball at Brighton and that can keep hold of the fucking thing, so he's got to be in for Saturday.
Wouldn't count on it. In the system we play, he can only really come in for McGinn or Ramsey. The failure to address the defensive midfielder issue in January is now coming back to bite Gerrard just like it did with Dean Smith.
Good point.
I predict the Chambers chappy will get the gig pro tem.
On the admittedly small sample size so far, I remain unconvinced he's up to it. Or, in fact, that he's a better centre half than Hause.
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Ah lads...Chambers isn't up to this level at all. The few times Watford attacked last week he was all over the place. Diving in like an idiot on the ground, made the same mistake v Newcastle for their goal.
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Ah lads...Chambers isn't up to this level at all. The few times Watford attacked last week he was all over the place. Diving in like an idiot on the ground, made the same mistake v Newcastle for their goal.
;D I miss that expression from Ireland.
Too right. He's a utilitarian at best, not the fulcrum we need.
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Chambers looks like a utility player so far. He got done for Newcastle's free kick, and was turned inside out a few times against Watford as well. Too soon to make a judgement on him but I'd be surprised if he's the DM we're so short of, even if he did OK there for Fulham a while ago.
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Chambers looks like a utility player so far. He got done for Newcastle's free kick, and was turned inside out a few times against Watford as well. Too soon to make a judgement on him but I'd be surprised if he's the DM we're so short of, even if he did OK there for Fulham a while ago.
Not certain we have any option, the midfield has to be changed as it is bloody useless as it is!
Personally I don't rate Chambers one little bit and was amazed we bought/loaned him (not certain which, hopefully loaned)?
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Chambers looks like a utility player so far. He got done for Newcastle's free kick, and was turned inside out a few times against Watford as well. Too soon to make a judgement on him but I'd be surprised if he's the DM we're so short of, even if he did OK there for Fulham a while ago.
Not certain we have any option, the midfield has to be changed as it is bloody useless as it is!
Personally I don't rate Chambers one little bit and was amazed we bought/loaned him (not certain which, hopefully loaned)?
As Risso says, too soon to make a judgment yet, but I thought he let the ball go past him in a challenge in the build up to their goal on Saturday.
I haven't seen anything yet to make me believe he could play in midfield but I had no idea he had played there for Fulham
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Sanson should be given a proper go anyway. He simply can't be any worse than Luiz or McGinn on current form. If nothing else to drill up a bit of interest on him in the summer transfer window.
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Ah lads...Chambers isn't up to this level at all. The few times Watford attacked last week he was all over the place. Diving in like an idiot on the ground, made the same mistake v Newcastle for their goal.
;D I miss that expression from Ireland.
Too right. He's a utilitarian at best, not the fulcrum we need.
We need a fulcrum, no doubt, or sine dubio as we say in the Latin.
"Ah, lads" reminds me of a character in the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly novels. Very funny.
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Ah lads...Chambers isn't up to this level at all. The few times Watford attacked last week he was all over the place. Diving in like an idiot on the ground, made the same mistake v Newcastle for their goal.
;D I miss that expression from Ireland.
Too right. He's a utilitarian at best, not the fulcrum we need.
We need a fulcrum, no doubt, or sine dubio as we say in the Latin.
"Ah, lads" reminds me of a character in the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly novels. Very funny.
Around these parts it's not unusual to hear the women say it amongst themselves when in a group. That is in no way meant to be derogatory towards these lasses, it's just a figure of speech.
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Ah lads...Chambers isn't up to this level at all. The few times Watford attacked last week he was all over the place. Diving in like an idiot on the ground, made the same mistake v Newcastle for their goal.
;D I miss that expression from Ireland.
Too right. He's a utilitarian at best, not the fulcrum we need.
We need a fulcrum, no doubt, or sine dubio as we say in the Latin.
"Ah, lads" reminds me of a character in the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly novels. Very funny.
Around these parts it's not unusual to hear the women say it amongst themselves when in a group. That is in no way meant to be derogatory towards these lasses, it's just a figure of speech.
My Mom used to say it often. She was from Limerick city.
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Ah lads...Chambers isn't up to this level at all. The few times Watford attacked last week he was all over the place. Diving in like an idiot on the ground, made the same mistake v Newcastle for their goal.
;D I miss that expression from Ireland.
Too right. He's a utilitarian at best, not the fulcrum we need.
We need a fulcrum, no doubt, or sine dubio as we say in the Latin.
"Ah, lads" reminds me of a character in the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly novels. Very funny.
Around these parts it's not unusual to hear the women say it amongst themselves when in a group. That is in no way meant to be derogatory towards these lasses, it's just a figure of speech.
how could it be derogatory ?
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From What little I’ve seen of him ,he’s a player that can tackle and bring the ball forward, and doesn’t misplace a pass often, don’t think goal scoring is his strong point. I think SG doesn’t want to tinker with the midfield, he must think they’re up to the job, which is bad news for Morgan.
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Just for sake if argument, are we getting too hung up on the notion of a defensive midfielder? Yeah it's great when it's Kante or Makelele or Seedorf (or Nakamba). But if you don't have that option might it be better to adjust tactically rather than expect an unsuited player to fill in? Offence is the best form of defence and all that. Maybe we wouldn't have to defend so much if we had a player who could pass forward and find a teammate rather than an opponent. And with Coutinho in the team you doesn't even have to try that hard because the ball sticks to him regardless of how hard he's marked. Sanson looked like that guy in the one game he's started. Surely it's got to be worth a shot after weeks of watching Dougie drifting aimlessly in orbit around our centre halves. Who knows, push Dougie into SJM's place and we might see the player we thought we had there.
Anything, something, rather than waste any more hours watching the passive mess we've been served up.
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Good point Hillbilly, the big problem is the amount of times we give the ball away. The midfield is allways going to be under pressure if you give the ball away 132 times in a game.
It almost does not matter what system you play if unforced errors are so common.
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Ah lads...Chambers isn't up to this level at all. The few times Watford attacked last week he was all over the place. Diving in like an idiot on the ground, made the same mistake v Newcastle for their goal.
;D I miss that expression from Ireland.
Too right. He's a utilitarian at best, not the fulcrum we need.
We need a fulcrum, no doubt, or sine dubio as we say in the Latin.
"Ah, lads" reminds me of a character in the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly novels. Very funny.
Around these parts it's not unusual to hear the women say it amongst themselves when in a group. That is in no way meant to be derogatory towards these lasses, it's just a figure of speech.
how could it be derogatory ?
Perhaps by suggesting that I was being critical and disrespectful in alluding to the fact that the girls may not know the difference between gender. I wasn't.
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Ah lads...Chambers isn't up to this level at all. The few times Watford attacked last week he was all over the place. Diving in like an idiot on the ground, made the same mistake v Newcastle for their goal.
;D I miss that expression from Ireland.
Too right. He's a utilitarian at best, not the fulcrum we need.
We need a fulcrum, no doubt, or sine dubio as we say in the Latin.
"Ah, lads" reminds me of a character in the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly novels. Very funny.
Around these parts it's not unusual to hear the women say it amongst themselves when in a group. That is in no way meant to be derogatory towards these lasses, it's just a figure of speech.
how could it be derogatory ?
Perhaps by suggesting that I was being critical and disrespectful in alluding to the fact that the girls may not know the difference between gender. I wasn't.
You can’t be too careful nowadays!
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Does anyone get the distinction impression this guy isn't in favour under SG. I just don't ever see him ever being involved.
Brighton away another opportunity but will Sanson get any minutes let alone a start?
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Does anyone get the distinction impression this guy isn't in favour under SG. I just don't ever see him ever being involved.
Brighton away another opportunity but will Sanson get any minutes let alone a start?
He wasn't under Smith, and he isn't under Gerrard. Something isn't right there.
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Unfortunately hasn't settled in here at Villa.
Has quality and pedigree but I don't know if its a case he isn't suited and wouldn't surprise me if he went back to France in summer.
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File next to Jordan Veretout.
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Does anyone get the distinction impression this guy isn't in favour under SG. I just don't ever see him ever being involved.
Brighton away another opportunity but will Sanson get any minutes let alone a start?
He wasn't under Smith, and he isn't under Gerrard. Something isn't right there.
2 hissy fits and it’s au revoir.
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Does anyone get the distinction impression this guy isn't in favour under SG. I just don't ever see him ever being involved.
Brighton away another opportunity but will Sanson get any minutes let alone a start?
He wasn't under Smith, and he isn't under Gerrard. Something isn't right there.
2 hissy fits and it’s au revoir.
Water bottle gate x2
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We constantly hear players have bust ups meltdowns etc in training etc. I can’t believe lashing out at a water bottle, and a few Zut alors are keeping Morgan out of the team.
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We constantly hear players have bust ups meltdowns etc in training etc. I can’t believe lashing out at a water bottle, and a few Zut alors are keeping Morgan out of the team.
Can you think of a better explanation?
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Possibly his fitness is an issue
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Possibly his fitness is an issue
Cant be fatigue.
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I think it's a lack of match fitness 🤔
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I think it's a lack of match fitness 🤔
There is no way of solving that.
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Good to see slowly bridges being rebuilt between Sanson and Gerrard as he came on for some game time today.
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He only had a fairly short cameo, but he looked miles better than Luiz, who was atrocious, again. Even the commentators mentioned how poor Luiz's passing was.
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I feel Dougie needs a rest he had an excellent summer and it's now taking his toll. If Sanson is back in line all for him having one game with a starting berth with Dougie getting the sub. minutes
Ideally opp next week with game Saturday, Thursday, Sunday
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He only had a fairly short cameo, but he looked miles better than Luiz, who was atrocious, again. Even the commentators mentioned how poor Luiz's passing was.
Didn’t see the game but were they playing the same role? or did Sanson come on and play 6?
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McGinn played deeper when Sanson came on.
Luiz's passing was turd.
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Good effort when he came on today - worked hard.
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Good to see him involved yesterday. There is definitely a player in there, we just need to see it on a more consistent basis.
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Problem is Sanson isn't a defensive midfielder and is suited to the position McGinn or Ramsey play.
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Problem is Sanson isn't a defensive midfielder and is suited to the position McGinn or Ramsey play.
he's the new Sergio Busquets according to Agbonlahor....
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Problem is Sanson isn't a defensive midfielder and is suited to the position McGinn or Ramsey play.
None of them are a defensive midfielder though, so until Nakamba is fit, Iroegbunam proves himself or we buy a proper DM, it's a case of picking the least worst option. Luiz's dreadful form exacerbates the problem of not having a proper DM, as he keeps giving the ball away, meaning we need one more than ever.
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Problem is Sanson isn't a defensive midfielder and is suited to the position McGinn or Ramsey play.
He isn't but Luiz hasn't played well for months and I don't see him here next season so feels a waste just to keep playing if we're planning for the future.
Sanson might not be here either but at least give him a run of starts.
We always struggle against Southampton's high press so personally I would give Sanson a game on Saturday and also Leeds as I think they'll be decent games for him to come into as he's busy and can get around the pitch no problem.
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We constantly hear players have bust ups meltdowns etc in training etc. I can’t believe lashing out at a water bottle, and a few Zut alors are keeping Morgan out of the team.
Can you think of a better explanation?
Yes. Maybe he isn’t good enough in the eyes of those who pick the team
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We constantly hear players have bust ups meltdowns etc in training etc. I can’t believe lashing out at a water bottle, and a few Zut alors are keeping Morgan out of the team.
Can you think of a better explanation?
Yes. Maybe he isn’t good enough in the eyes of those who pick the team
Jack Charlton once asked Alf Ramsey why he was selected when there were better players available. Alf reportedly replied that he didn't pick the best players, he picked the best team.
Of course, Alf went on to manage Small Heath so your mileage may vary etc.
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Problem is Sanson isn't a defensive midfielder and is suited to the position McGinn or Ramsey play.
None of them are a defensive midfielder though, so until Nakamba is fit, Iroegbunam proves himself or we buy a proper DM, it's a case of picking the least worst option. Luiz's dreadful form exacerbates the problem of not having a proper DM, as he keeps giving the ball away, meaning we need one more than ever.
I happen to think McGinn could do a better/good job of it. He just needs to cut out the Hollywood passes and keep it simple.
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We keep looking at this DM as the mythical creature that will be a beast, dynamically break up plays and set in motion attacks. How about we we play with three conventional midfielders who just defend when we need them to and get forward to support the attack and most importantly don’t give up possession whenever we have the ball. That would be a great start. And if we take Luiz out for Sanson, that’s an immediate upgrade in those things. McGinn for the most part did that really well on Saturday. JJ is undroppable at the moment.
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Problem is Sanson isn't a defensive midfielder and is suited to the position McGinn or Ramsey play.
He isn't but Luiz hasn't played well for months and I don't see him here next season so feels a waste just to keep playing if we're planning for the future.
Sanson might not be here either but at least give him a run of starts.
We always struggle against Southampton's high press so personally I would give Sanson a game on Saturday and also Leeds as I think they'll be decent games for him to come into as he's busy and can get around the pitch no problem.
Against a high press the most important thing is that you need your midfield to be really tidy on their first touch, Luiz has lost his completley and it's never been a strength for McGinn so we can't play both in this game. Ramsey and Sanson are much more assured in that regard so both start and then you work out what to do about the 3rd player in there (probably by going with McGinn and hoping the arse does its job).
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We keep looking at this DM as the mythical creature that will be a beast, dynamically break up plays and set in motion attacks. How about we we play with three conventional midfielders who just defend when we need them to and get forward to support the attack and most importantly don’t give up possession whenever we have the ball. That would be a great start. And if we take Luiz out for Sanson, that’s an immediate upgrade in those things. McGinn for the most part did that really well on Saturday. JJ is undroppable at the moment.
This was exactly the logic I assumed when Deano failed to sign a DMF. Three midfielders doing well all those things you expect: pass, receive, tackle, press, make space and be available for the ball. Players like James, W-P, Rice, Soucek, Partey, Hojberg all do it well enough: as you say, VT, it's the poor possession that kills us.
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We keep looking at this DM as the mythical creature that will be a beast, dynamically break up plays and set in motion attacks. How about we we play with three conventional midfielders who just defend when we need them to and get forward to support the attack and most importantly don’t give up possession whenever we have the ball. That would be a great start. And if we take Luiz out for Sanson, that’s an immediate upgrade in those things. McGinn for the most part did that really well on Saturday. JJ is undroppable at the moment.
This was exactly the logic I assumed when Deano failed to sign a DMF. Three midfielders doing well all those things you expect: pass, receive, tackle, press, make space and be available for the ball. Players like James, W-P, Rice, Soucek, Partey, Hojberg all do it well enough: as you say, VT, it's the poor possession that kills us.
You still need, in the premier league, for one of them to bring a bit of extra physicality. Even Man City have Rodri as a bit of a bruiser. Ramsey adds a bit more steel but someone with a bit more experience and positional discipline would make a huge difference.
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We keep looking at this DM as the mythical creature that will be a beast, dynamically break up plays and set in motion attacks. How about we we play with three conventional midfielders who just defend when we need them to and get forward to support the attack and most importantly don’t give up possession whenever we have the ball. That would be a great start. And if we take Luiz out for Sanson, that’s an immediate upgrade in those things. McGinn for the most part did that really well on Saturday. JJ is undroppable at the moment.
This was exactly the logic I assumed when Deano failed to sign a DMF. Three midfielders doing well all those things you expect: pass, receive, tackle, press, make space and be available for the ball. Players like James, W-P, Rice, Soucek, Partey, Hojberg all do it well enough: as you say, VT, it's the poor possession that kills us.
You still need, in the premier league, for one of them to bring a bit of extra physicality. Even Man City have Rodri as a bit of a bruiser. Ramsey adds a bit more steel but someone with a bit more experience and positional discipline would make a huge difference.
N'golo Kante is 5'6 and has been one of the best DM in the PL since he arrived almost 7 years ago. I'm sure physicality helps but only if you have the presence of mind to know what's happening in the game and have the engine to get back and help out ther defence.
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We keep looking at this DM as the mythical creature that will be a beast, dynamically break up plays and set in motion attacks. How about we we play with three conventional midfielders who just defend when we need them to and get forward to support the attack and most importantly don’t give up possession whenever we have the ball. That would be a great start. And if we take Luiz out for Sanson, that’s an immediate upgrade in those things. McGinn for the most part did that really well on Saturday. JJ is undroppable at the moment.
This was exactly the logic I assumed when Deano failed to sign a DMF. Three midfielders doing well all those things you expect: pass, receive, tackle, press, make space and be available for the ball. Players like James, W-P, Rice, Soucek, Partey, Hojberg all do it well enough: as you say, VT, it's the poor possession that kills us.
I am disgusted you called me VT on H&V
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We keep looking at this DM as the mythical creature that will be a beast, dynamically break up plays and set in motion attacks. How about we we play with three conventional midfielders who just defend when we need them to and get forward to support the attack and most importantly don’t give up possession whenever we have the ball. That would be a great start. And if we take Luiz out for Sanson, that’s an immediate upgrade in those things. McGinn for the most part did that really well on Saturday. JJ is undroppable at the moment.
This was exactly the logic I assumed when Deano failed to sign a DMF. Three midfielders doing well all those things you expect: pass, receive, tackle, press, make space and be available for the ball. Players like James, W-P, Rice, Soucek, Partey, Hojberg all do it well enough: as you say, VT, it's the poor possession that kills us.
I am disgusted you called me VT on H&V
Sorry, mate, slip of the fingers ...
oooh, errr.
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We keep looking at this DM as the mythical creature that will be a beast, dynamically break up plays and set in motion attacks. How about we we play with three conventional midfielders who just defend when we need them to and get forward to support the attack and most importantly don’t give up possession whenever we have the ball. That would be a great start. And if we take Luiz out for Sanson, that’s an immediate upgrade in those things. McGinn for the most part did that really well on Saturday. JJ is undroppable at the moment.
This was exactly the logic I assumed when Deano failed to sign a DMF. Three midfielders doing well all those things you expect: pass, receive, tackle, press, make space and be available for the ball. Players like James, W-P, Rice, Soucek, Partey, Hojberg all do it well enough: as you say, VT, it's the poor possession that kills us.
You still need, in the premier league, for one of them to bring a bit of extra physicality. Even Man City have Rodri as a bit of a bruiser. Ramsey adds a bit more steel but someone with a bit more experience and positional discipline would make a huge difference.
N'golo Kante is 5'6 and has been one of the best DM in the PL since he arrived almost 7 years ago. I'm sure physicality helps but only if you have the presence of mind to know what's happening in the game and have the engine to get back and help out ther defence.
One of my favourite ever centre midfielders in this area was Javier Mascherano, he wasn’t that big but bloody tough and great with the ball.
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We keep looking at this DM as the mythical creature that will be a beast, dynamically break up plays and set in motion attacks. How about we we play with three conventional midfielders who just defend when we need them to and get forward to support the attack and most importantly don’t give up possession whenever we have the ball. That would be a great start. And if we take Luiz out for Sanson, that’s an immediate upgrade in those things. McGinn for the most part did that really well on Saturday. JJ is undroppable at the moment.
This was exactly the logic I assumed when Deano failed to sign a DMF. Three midfielders doing well all those things you expect: pass, receive, tackle, press, make space and be available for the ball. Players like James, W-P, Rice, Soucek, Partey, Hojberg all do it well enough: as you say, VT, it's the poor possession that kills us.
You still need, in the premier league, for one of them to bring a bit of extra physicality. Even Man City have Rodri as a bit of a bruiser. Ramsey adds a bit more steel but someone with a bit more experience and positional discipline would make a huge difference.
N'golo Kante is 5'6 and has been one of the best DM in the PL since he arrived almost 7 years ago. I'm sure physicality helps but only if you have the presence of mind to know what's happening in the game and have the engine to get back and help out ther defence.
One of my favourite ever centre midfielders in this area was Javier Mascherano, he wasn’t that big but bloody tough and great with the ball.
Claude Makelele was hardly massive, and he pretty much invented the job.
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Physicality and size are two very different qualities. Anyone who played Bremner will probably still be waiting for the bruises to heal. Arguably a smaller player with a lower centre of gravity will be harder to shift than a 6" 5' galoot.
I would like to see Sanson get a run of games. There must be some issue as Dean didn't seem to fancy playing him either.
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Nobby Stiles was a tough,read illegal,tackling DCM in the 66 WC winners team.Long before Makelele and not much bigger than Sid Cowans.Eamonn Deacy played that role on a few occasions,also of a similar stature.
John Robson wasn't the real answer when he played there but he did a literal man marking job on Stan Bowles in the 77 LC semifinal at Loftus Road.
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The king of man marking jobs was carried out by Paul Birch on Lothar Matteaus at Villa Park.
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The king of man marking jobs was carried out by Paul Birch on Lothar Matteaus at Villa Park.
or Carlos Sanchez on Messi. Allegedly. Birchy really did do a number of Matthäus mind you.
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Of course you don't need a bunch of giants in there but someone who wants to battle and has the 'street smarts' to niggle and piss off the opposition makes a big difference. Right now we're too nice and, when we do try it on, too naive.
I want someone who changes that.
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Of course you don't need a bunch of giants in there but someone who wants to battle and has the 'street smarts' to niggle and piss off the opposition makes a big difference. Right now we're too nice and, when we do try it on, too naive.
I want someone who changes that.
We could buy another keeper and push Emi up the pitch.
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Piece in The Athletic about him:
Time seems to be running out for Morgan Sanson
Morgan Sanson, Aston Villa
By Gregg Evans Mar 1, 2022 21
Morgan Sanson is smiling and discussing his move from Marseille to Aston Villa.
Apologising for his basic grasp of the English language, the Frenchman sticks to short sentences. “I’m happy and I hope we can make great things together,” he says.
That was day one of what promised to be an exciting, action-packed adventure in the Premier League.
“I didn’t have to think for long when Aston Villa called,” Sanson adds, gleefully. Even with a mask wrapped around his face during the height of the pandemic in January 2021, the overriding emotion of joy is easy to see.
Fast-forward 13 months and the picture isn’t so clear.
Villa’s bit-part midfielder has cut a frustrated figure in person and behind his social media accounts. “Never give up,” were the words he used to caption an Instagram post last week after a month on the sidelines without so much as an appearance off the bench to build on.
In the 2-0 win over Brighton & Hove Albion on Saturday, Sanson was finally given a run-out. He was the first substitute called upon by manager Steven Gerrard and his cameo helped shake off the disappointment of an unfortunate chain of events against Manchester United back on January 15.
On that day, he carelessly gifted possession to midfielder Fred, who then set up Bruno Fernandes to make it 2-0 to United in a game at Villa Park. Gerrard immediately hooked the midfielder and with a face like thunder, Sanson booted a rack of water bottles, sending one up into the air and towards supporters nearby.
Villa went on to draw the game 2-2 after a Philippe Coutinho-inspired late comeback. Gerrard asked Sanson after the game whether his aggressive reaction was because of the mistake or the substitution. When he answered the former, the manager suggested that a line was drawn under the incident and everyone would move on.
Sanson hadn’t featured in any of the four games since, though, and those “great things together” that he had previously spoken about appeared to be a million miles away.
It wasn’t as if Villa’s midfield were pulling up trees without him, either.
Douglas Luiz is still struggling in holding midfield and both John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey have taken time to adjust to the demands of their new-look roles.
Gerrard had labelled this period of transition “a process”, so has therefore been reluctant to change his set-up too much. Luiz, McGinn and Ramsey all started again on Saturday, even though Villa were on a run of just one win in eight games in all competitions, and the show of faith paid dividends as they finally recorded a win to get their season back on track.
Yet for Sanson, it meant further questions over his future and how he’s going to make an impact in this team.
Although his 72nd-minute call-up from the bench was encouraging, it may have only been pushed forward due to the absence of others. Carney Chukwuemeka, the teenager who missed out last weekend due to a minor injury, is often used first when Villa look to mix up the midfield during a game.
Marvelous Nakamba, who was flying under Gerrard before sustaining a knee injury in December, is also still sidelined and pencilled in for a return next month.
It’s no secret that Villa will strengthen their midfield this summer. The only other central midfielders in the match-day squad were youngsters Tim Iroegbunam and Tommi O’Reilly, so when Gerrard decided to replace Douglas Luiz after the Brazilian picked up a booking and started to become sloppy in possession in the second half, Sanson was turned to almost by default.
Perhaps these next 12 days can help kick-start his career in England as Villa face Southampton (home), Leeds United (away) and West Ham United (away). There is still a window of opportunity to impress even if the last year has been draining for the 27-year-old, who was playing Champions League football with Marseille just a few seasons ago.
He was given a boost with a weekend appearance against Brighton, but there wasn’t too much to get excited about. Sanson had only 11 touches at the Amex Stadium and gave away possession four times. He completed just one of his three attempted passes but did make a tackle and interception.
The question now — if he gets more action in the weeks ahead — is whether he’s good enough to make a difference before time runs out. Former boss Dean Smith didn’t fancy him and Gerrard hasn’t used him too often of late, either.
It was sporting director Johan Lange and CEO Christian Purslow who pushed to sign Sanson. Their take was that landing a 26-year-old (at the time) who had played regularly in European competition and Ligue 1 and had hardly missed a game through injury for £14 million was a deal that was too good to turn down.
That Villa were the only club willing to stump up the funds to get the deal done didn’t matter back then. Sanson was recognised as a player who could fit into the middle area with ease as he could mix both defence and attack.
A stop-start period has left him fighting to prove his worth and show what he can offer that others cannot.
The Athletic asked scouts who cover the French region for their thoughts on the midfielder and the replies were varied. “He looked like a ‘nice’ player in France but there were always question marks over whether he had the power required for the Premier League,” one scout says.
Another adds: “Several clubs were watching him in England but Villa came in and offered Marseille a figure they couldn’t turn down at a time when money was tight. Sanson ran around a lot and worked hard. He’s a tidy player who has been unlucky with injuries, but I’m not sure why Villa signed him as he isn’t really any different to what they already had.”
Gerrard initially described Sanson as a “big talent” when he arrived and said that he needed an injury-free period to train, build up his fitness and put the troubles of previous months behind him.
Now the midfielder has that base level of fitness, he is waiting for an opportunity to finally show what he is made of in claret and blue.
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“He looked like a ‘nice’ player in France but there were always question marks over whether he had the power required for the Premier League,”
That pretty much sums up what has been my concern with him since I first watched him.
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I'd say with some confidence that he has at least the same "power" (whatever that means) as Douglas. And he doesn't give the ball away. Big plus point.
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I'd say with some confidence that he has at least the same "power" (whatever that means) as Douglas. And he doesn't give the ball away. Big plus point.
Erm:
"Sanson had only 11 touches at the Amex Stadium and gave away possession four times"
"On that day, he carelessly gifted possession to midfielder Fred, who then set up Bruno Fernandes to make it 2-0 to United in a game at Villa Park"
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I’m not saying Sanson is the answer, but Luiz has been poor in the few games Sanson has played in and all of the ones in between. He’s had more than enough opportunities to be better than he’s been. And in that time he’s given the ball away lots.
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Two sides of the same coin aren’t they?
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Others have said it including me but two managers now are not picking him despite other players being clearly out of form. They see him at BH and presumably don’t rate him for whatever reason
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Others have said it including me but two managers now are not picking him despite other players being clearly out of form. They see him at BH and presumably don’t rate him for whatever reason
That's correct but it's an argument I'll never buy. Chucky has also been miles out of his depth in the majority of his cameo appearances under Gerrard. Bringing on Ashley Young in midfield was another laughable decision by Gerrard recently. That's just two subs picked ahead of Sanson recently.
Suspicions about Sanson's inability to compete physically may be valid alright but there's only one way to find out. Give him a decent run of games and shift him on in the summer if it doesn't work out. Luiz and McGinn getting picked repeatedly when playing dreadfully does them no favours either.
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Others have said it including me but two managers now are not picking him despite other players being clearly out of form. They see him at BH and presumably don’t rate him for whatever reason
That's correct but it's an argument I'll never buy. Chucky has also been miles out of his depth in the majority of his cameo appearances under Gerrard. Bringing on Ashley Young in midfield was another laughable decision by Gerrard recently. That's just two subs picked ahead of Sanson recently.
Chucky has not been miles out of his depth at all. He hasn't impressed in every game and he's not going to at that age, but to say miles out of his depth is just nonsense.
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Others have said it including me but two managers now are not picking him despite other players being clearly out of form. They see him at BH and presumably don’t rate him for whatever reason
That's correct but it's an argument I'll never buy. Chucky has also been miles out of his depth in the majority of his cameo appearances under Gerrard. Bringing on Ashley Young in midfield was another laughable decision by Gerrard recently. That's just two subs picked ahead of Sanson recently.
Chucky has not been miles out of his depth at all. He hasn't impressed in every game and he's not going to at that age, but to say miles out of his depth is just nonsense.
It really is.
In than Man Utd game I thought Sanson had played ok, but as soon as he was hooked and Chuck came on the game swung to us as he imposed himself on their midfield far more effectively than Sanson had.
I get that people would like to see more of him, but he's not a promising youngster, he's 27, and there's a reason that two managers now keep picking others before him.
If there's not much in it between them, I'd rather give the time to the 18 and 23 year olds.
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I can't remember Gerrard using Young as a central midfielder either but it was something that Smith did.
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I can't remember Gerrard using Young as a central midfielder either but it was something that Smith did.
He came on in midfield last week.
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Young offers feck-all except getting in the ref's ear. Pace is gone and he's physically bullied by opposition players (not sure why he was marking the Watford chap for their winner...complete mismatch), don't offer him a new contract!
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Others have said it including me but two managers now are not picking him despite other players being clearly out of form. They see him at BH and presumably don’t rate him for whatever reason
That's correct but it's an argument I'll never buy. Chucky has also been miles out of his depth in the majority of his cameo appearances under Gerrard. Bringing on Ashley Young in midfield was another laughable decision by Gerrard recently. That's just two subs picked ahead of Sanson recently.
Chucky has not been miles out of his depth at all. He hasn't impressed in every game and he's not going to at that age, but to say miles out of his depth is just nonsense.
This honestly isn't a 'better fan than you' post, but I think sometimes you don't see how well, or otherwise, a player does when you're not at the match. There are times when I know I haven't thought much of someone, but then seeing them in the flesh with a view of the whole pitch gives a different perspective.
So yes, I think you're right.
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This honestly isn't a 'better fan than you' post, but I think sometimes you don't see how well, or otherwise, a player does when you're not at the match. There are times when I know I haven't thought much of someone, but then seeing them in the flesh with a view of the whole pitch gives a different perspective.
So yes, I think you're right.
At the match you can choose to watch a particular player for a few minutes if you like, compared to TV when you have to watch the action area. On the other hand, on the TV you can probably see things in more detail plus watch the replays etc, so swings and roundabouts. I'm not sure about Chukwuemeka from what I've seen, but when he comes on he rarely seems to really bust a gut. Be interesting to see what happens with him next season, whether he is sold for turning down a new contract, goes on loan or stays to carry on being worked into the squad. As an attacking midfielder he'd seem to have more players in front of him than Iroegbunam does as a holding midfielder.
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Whatever happened to Sky's "Player Cam" that would follow a particular player for 15 minutes before switching to someone else, seemingly at random? All you had to do was press the red button on your remote...
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This honestly isn't a 'better fan than you' post, but I think sometimes you don't see how well, or otherwise, a player does when you're not at the match. There are times when I know I haven't thought much of someone, but then seeing them in the flesh with a view of the whole pitch gives a different perspective.
So yes, I think you're right.
At the match you can choose to watch a particular player for a few minutes if you like, compared to TV when you have to watch the action area. On the other hand, on the TV you can probably see things in more detail plus watch the replays etc, so swings and roundabouts. I'm not sure about Chukwuemeka from what I've seen, but when he comes on he rarely seems to really bust a gut. Be interesting to see what happens with him next season, whether he is sold for turning down a new contract, goes on loan or stays to carry on being worked into the squad. As an attacking midfielder he'd seem to have more players in front of him than Iroegbunam does as a holding midfielder.
Couldn't agree more about Chukky.....he rarely seems to put himself about but he certainly did against ManU and he made a significant contribution and difference. If he can "merge" into the first team and progress like JJ has then we have a real quality player on our hands. He will need to be a little patient though.
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Others have said it including me but two managers now are not picking him despite other players being clearly out of form. They see him at BH and presumably don’t rate him for whatever reason
That's correct but it's an argument I'll never buy. Chucky has also been miles out of his depth in the majority of his cameo appearances under Gerrard. Bringing on Ashley Young in midfield was another laughable decision by Gerrard recently. That's just two subs picked ahead of Sanson recently.
Chucky has not been miles out of his depth at all. He hasn't impressed in every game and he's not going to at that age, but to say miles out of his depth is just nonsense.
Not out his depth just young and inexperienced but he does have a tendency to to go on the g of the bang which if he doesn’t sort out will see him gracing only the lower leagues.
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Whatever happened to Sky's "Player Cam" that would follow a particular player for 15 minutes before switching to someone else, seemingly at random? All you had to do was press the red button on your remote...
Probably cancelled after someone followed Lukaku for an hour and only got two touches.
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Whatever happened to Sky's "Player Cam" that would follow a particular player for 15 minutes before switching to someone else, seemingly at random? All you had to do was press the red button on your remote...
Probably cancelled after someone followed Lukaku for an hour and only got two touches.
It went a bit silly once when they introduced manager cam. Alan Pardew if I remember rightly.
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Sanson did well when he came on today.
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Sanson did well when he came on today.
Yep, lovely little cameo could have been much more in his shell but was very progressive used the ball well and had a few nice little dribbles, touches and exchanges with Young and Watkins.
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Absolutely, I'd like to see more of him.
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This guy better not leave in the summer. The skill is clearly there...
https://streamable.com/qdsvyo
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He's our most cultured player after Couts. Play him!
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He's our most cultured player after Couts. Play him!
After Couts...and Chambers!
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Really can't be far from a start. Looks really good to me.
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Whilst Ramsey has done nothing wrong, he looks to be running out of steam a little in the last couple of games (in fact, since we've started winning again?!). I'd give him a rest against the spammers and play Morgan. He's got to be worth a start after this string of superb cameo roles surely?
Need to make sure we have our best 11 on the pitch for the upcoming fixtures, and he's definitely a part of that.
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With 3 games in a week, Sanson for Ramsey might be a good change to make Sunday just to add some fresh legs.
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I can completely understand Gerrard not wanting to change a side that has won three on the bounce, scoring nine and conceding none, but if there is to be a change to freshen things up, Sanson HAS to be at the front of the queue. He was excellent again last night, and I think the fact he's getting some decent minutes in the middle means Gerrard is close to starting him.
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I said when he came on for Ings last night that it was a really clever substitution as Leeds had no midfield and he just had freedom to set up attacks. I think he is a really good player and agree that starting him in this formation with Ramsey sitting aside for a bit is not a bad shout.
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Must have done something bad not to get a game.
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Told Steve that he does not like the Beatles ?
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Has Morgan thrown a strop on his social meeds yet? He probably wished he'd kicked those water bottles at the coaching staff. What would it have cost him, three subsequent sub appearances?
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I genuinely think gerrard just sees him as an alternative to McGinn and for whatever reason dosen't think he'd work in other areas unless he's just coming on as a sub to see out leads.
The two games he's started v Chelsea and Man. United were with McGinn out with covid and 5 yellows.
Do think Ramsey could do with a rest so would like to see Sanson get a run of 3-4 starts but dosen't feel likely does it.
Less chance of him playing when Nakamba returns aswell so he's as good as sold this summer (or loaned out back to France).
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If I were Sanson, I'd be on the phone to my agent seeing about arranging a summer move - either a loan or something permanent - he's wasting his time and talent sitting on the bench at Villa.
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Pretty good signing I think.
Mid 20s, played for big club in european competition for a few seasons and will give us more options to rotate in midfield from now on.
As much as we all love SJM I thought his passing was really poor in midweek and not for the first time against a top 6 team. We also can't be certain Doug will still be here in six months time so feel this is also insurance as he can play DM even if he's more box to box in style.
14 months later, a lot of this still holds.
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He isn’t getting into this team, there is obviously a non football reason.
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Gerrard on selection of Sanson at Wolves and maybe a hint of how he thought he played.
I did notice after Young scored the OG, that Sanson slammed his hands in frustration. Could he have stopped that cross coming in? He didn't bust a gut to close down the Wolf, but maybe that's being harsh.
"Morgan's been training extremely well. He's been patient. I have to have a look at Morgan Sanson at some point. I have to put him in and give him an opportunity because he can't keep training well, and we ignore that. That's only fair, so we gave both of them (Sanson and Leon Bailey) an opportunity."
Asked what he thought of Sanson's performance, Gerrard added: "Every game's tough. It's the Premier League. There's no gimmes. Every dual, every opponent you come up against is tough. It's not the time right now to analyse Morgan Sanson's performance.
"For me, the priority is the team. The biggest frustration to me is that we never came to a derby game until half-time. We never really showed that we cared enough until the 70th minute because we wanted to have a war with Wolves because it was all too little too late."
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Judging by his Insta, it looks like we've lost Morgan to the NBA!
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Don’t know how reliable
https://tbrfootball.com/as-i-understand-it-27-year-old-aston-villa-player-wont-be-sold-gerrard-really-rates-him-journalist/
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Yay, Morgan lives on!
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There is definitely a player in there. I'd like to see him Kamara and SJM be given a start against Rennes to see how it works.
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Fan of Sanson, but watching that manure kickabout he looked like he's carrying an extra bit of timber to me.
https://streamable.com/f3icef
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Fan of Sanson, but watching that manure kickabout he looked like he's carrying an extra bit of timber to me.
https://streamable.com/f3icef
He stormed away from 2 players there so hardly the pace for someone with extra timber.
From what I've read/heard about Gerrards pre season training sessions as well they've been really tough with lots of double sessions, it'd be almost impossible to be carrying timber after them
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Fan of Sanson, but watching that manure kickabout he looked like he's carrying an extra bit of timber to me.
https://streamable.com/f3icef
*hold my beer*
He stormed away from 2 players there so hardly the pace for someone with extra timber.
From what I've read/heard about Gerrards pre season training sessions as well they've been really tough with lots of double sessions, it'd be almost impossible to be carrying timber after them
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Fan of Sanson, but watching that manure kickabout he looked like he's carrying an extra bit of timber to me.
https://streamable.com/f3icef
To me it looks like he’s beefed up in a similar way to Jacob Ramsey did for last season. Which will be a good thing.
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I just don't see it with Sanson. He looks a tidy player but caught on the ball too often and switches off a bit. I really, really hope he proves me very wrong this season though.
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I just don't see it with Sanson. He looks a tidy player but caught on the ball too often and switches off a bit. I really, really hope he proves me very wrong this season though.
I do wonder if that is part of acclimatising to the premier league, compared to French football. I remember Kamara getting caught in possession in the DM position early in the game against Man Utd, as if his muscle memory was expecting that extra half a second of time on the ball.
Sanson clearly has all the technical ability required to thrive in the premier league and has shown glimpses of being excellent, so I'm hopeful for what we might see from him after a full and injury-free pre-season. Especially given the five-sub rule and the amount of running our midfield is now expected to do - I can see him getting regular minutes, even if they are from the bench.
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I just don't see it with Sanson. He looks a tidy player but caught on the ball too often and switches off a bit. I really, really hope he proves me very wrong this season though.
Yeah, there is something there to suggest he could be a tidy player for us. But in between those bits of tidiness, he gives the ball away too frequently.
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I don’t think we have seen anywhere near enough of him to make a decision on whether he’s any good or not.
He needs a run in the team.
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I don’t think we have seen anywhere near enough of him to make a decision on whether he’s any good or not.
He needs a run in the team.
I can’t see that happening. We’ve got plenty of competition for midfield places so he’s going to need to show in training or if used as a sub that he’s worth starting ahead of McGinn, Ramsey etc.
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He did against ManYoo in the rain last week.
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I don’t think we have seen anywhere near enough of him to make a decision on whether he’s any good or not.
He needs a run in the team.
I can’t see that happening. We’ve got plenty of competition for midfield places so he’s going to need to show in training or if used as a sub that he’s worth starting ahead of McGinn, Ramsey etc.
Most times he's played he's looked good.
Towards the end of last season Ramsey & McGinn really looked like they needed to come out the team and even then Sanson wasn't getting a sniff. I'm surprised we've not sold him if Gerrard just doesnt trust him.
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I feel similarly about Sanson as I did Bailey - suffered from a stop start season involving injuries and never really getting the chance to consistently try to get up to speed.
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I just don't see it with Sanson. He looks a tidy player but caught on the ball too often and switches off a bit. I really, really hope he proves me very wrong this season though.
Yeah, there is something there to suggest he could be a tidy player for us. But in between those bits of tidiness, he gives the ball away too frequently.
Maybe he does but still less than our new captain.
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I think he needs to really do something to stand out when given a chance, which hasn't happened so far. Yes, he's looked tidy and capable but he hasn't done anything yet that's stood out in particular.
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I just don't see it with Sanson. He looks a tidy player but caught on the ball too often and switches off a bit. I really, really hope he proves me very wrong this season though.
Yeah, there is something there to suggest he could be a tidy player for us. But in between those bits of tidiness, he gives the ball away too frequently.
Maybe he does but still less than our new captain.
No argument there.
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I don’t think we have seen anywhere near enough of him to make a decision on whether he’s any good or not.
He needs a run in the team.
I can’t see that happening. We’ve got plenty of competition for midfield places so he’s going to need to show in training or if used as a sub that he’s worth starting ahead of McGinn, Ramsey etc.
Most times he's played he's looked good.
Towards the end of last season Ramsey & McGinn really looked like they needed to come out the team and even then Sanson wasn't getting a sniff. I'm surprised we've not sold him if Gerrard just doesnt trust him.
Perhaps there isn’t anyone who wants to buy him.
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As has been mentioned, the sluggish transfer market this summer seems to indicate that only English clubs can afford generous wages for squad players.
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I think he'll be a key player this year.
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I think he'll be a key player this year.
I don't think he'll get the gametime to have a chance of becoming a key player.
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I think he'll be a key player this year.
I don't think he'll get the gametime to have a chance of becoming a key player.
He might win us the League Cup...
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Morgan Sanson - Our most naturally gifted midfielder. Beefed up and played well in the few pre-season opportunities he was given, yet wasn't even in today's squad.... What kind of message is that telling our players?
I'll tell you - Dress like a turkey, play like you've been on a bender for a year, and you'll get made a permanent starter.... Hell, they'll even make you captain, how's that?!
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Ramsey has been in poor form during pre-season, and so has McGinn, which is the main reason there was a black hole on the pitch today, where our midfield should have been.
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One thing we saw from Sanson in preseason- he gets stuck in. Something none of our midfield did today.
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It's stupid...if he was on the bench today he might have come on at half time. Yet we had 2 x CBs, 2 x LBs and 2 x strikers on it.
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It’s hard to fathom why he didn’t even make the bench, he’s been one of the better players in the pre season games I’ve seen, not been relegated to the u23s but not making the squad. Strange.
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Especially when there were no midfielders on the bench when you have 9 subs.
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Maybe he hasn't looked Gerrard in the eyes yet.
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Maybe he hasn't looked Gerrard in the eyes yet.
He needs to work on being a better version of himself
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He didn't look Steven in the eyes and tell him he loved him,worshiped Purslow and wanted to be in that squad !
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It’s hard to fathom why he didn’t even make the bench, he’s been one of the better players in the pre season games I’ve seen, not been relegated to the u23s but not making the squad. Strange.
I thought the bench was a bit defensive. An entire back-five replacement in Olsen, Young, Augustinsson, Chambers and Mings is a little unnecessary I think. That only leaves four subs for the entire midfield and forwards. I'd leave out at LEAST Young or Augustinsson to make room for another midfielder - whether Sanson or Iroegbenum.
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It’s hard to fathom why he didn’t even make the bench, he’s been one of the better players in the pre season games I’ve seen, not been relegated to the u23s but not making the squad. Strange.
I thought the bench was a bit defensive. An entire back-five replacement in Olsen, Young, Augustinsson, Chambers and Mings is a little unnecessary I think. That only leaves four subs for the entire midfield and forwards. I'd leave out at LEAST Young or Augustinsson to make room for another midfielder - whether Sanson or Iroegbenum.
Well Olsen has to be in there. I've said it before though, Young is a big mistake. He's a) not very good and b) taking up a spot that somebody like Sanson, KKH or Tim could have instead.
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He didn't look Steven in the eyes and tell him he loved him,worshiped Purslow and wanted to be in that squad !
Sanson outburst by kicking the bottle I think despite what was claimed has never seen him given much opportunity
I reckon Gerrard gave him proper roasting after the error Vs Man Utd despite what was reported and I think Sanson kicked out in frustration and shows what sort of a person he is too. The blunt honesty Gerrard goes with wouldn't go down well and it's no surprise that incident has led to him rarely now getting a look in
Gerrard said
'I would have had an issue if that was on the back of the decision and the reaction because you need to respect the person that's coming on the side and he assured me it was absolutely nothing to do with that so it wasn't an issue.'
Clearly SG doesn't fancy him but has learnt to say something else to media.
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Well two managers now haven't fancied him, same with Guilbert, so something's gone wrong for him.
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Well two managers now haven't fancied him, same with Guilbert, so something's gone wrong for him.
The non football people and not the head coaches that signed them is the correct answer. They were imposed upon them as such.
Bought as they fit the profile of player but don't for whatever meet the coaches standard.
Maybe it's the language and culture difference.
But neither are awful players but have been awful majority of the time or given less opportunity than others.
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I'd like to see more of Sanson, but he had a hissy fit under Smith and he did the same under Gerrard and not many managers take well to insubordination.
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I'd like to see more of Sanson, but he had a hissy fit under Smith and he did the same under Gerrard and not many managers take well to insubordination.
He hasn't helped himself but it wasn't like he's mouthed off to the press back home then claimed he'd been misquoted, or say gone out on a bender the day after telling everyone to stay at home during lockdown, then crashed his car pissed wearing slippers, was it?
It would be nice to see a bit more of him given the ponderous performances of those ahead of him.
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I'd like to see more of Sanson, but he had a hissy fit under Smith and he did the same under Gerrard and not many managers take well to insubordination.
He hasn't helped himself but it wasn't like he's mouthed off to the press back home then claimed he'd been misquoted, or say gone out on a bender the day after telling everyone to stay at home during lockdown, then crashed his car pissed wearing slippers, was it?
It would be nice to see a bit more of him given the ponderous performances of those ahead of him.
Totally agree Lee. He might just be a real pain in the arse to deal with, given how two (very different) managers have both almost totally ignored him.
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If he does not a least make the bench on Sat he really might as well give up.
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If the Nice guys are not in form maybe play Sanson even if he is a pain in the arse. Luiz and McGinn might be great chaps but they certainly have not been clicking for ages. Our midfield seems to have been our nemesis for some time now.
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This is what worries me when we buy french players it never turns out well. I'd love to see him get a chance but it seems it's always problematic with our neighbours over the channel. Then again most players we buy turn out to be a bit of a let down so it's probably nothing to do with them being from France.
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France - It’s a disgrace.
Apart from the wine…
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If the Nice guys are not in form maybe play Sanson even if he is a pain in the arse.
If he's a real pain in the arse we could always refer to him as Morgan San5ton.
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I really don't think attitude is an issue as he gave us a good reference to Kamara. Certainly didn't have to do that given his last 18 months here.
Think it's a case of Smith never really wanting him and acting like it. Gerrard did give him regular minutes in first two months but he just prefers McGinn which we're having endless debates on now.
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If the Nice guys are not in form maybe play Sanson even if he is a pain in the arse.
If he's a real pain in the arse we could always refer to him as Morgan San5ton.
I like it.
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Thanks BV, first proper smile I’ve had since the weekend.
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I dont get it ???
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I dont get it ???
It took me a look or two, but the reference to pain in the arse (could Sanson be a less nice, but perhaps refreshingly unapologetic/whole hearted character, when we are too nice/accepting substandard) thus referring to him as San5ston would pay homage to our brother Flin5stone who at one point appeared on the verge of achieving the rare feat of uniting the H&V readership in collective frustration at his generally disgusted “It’s a DISGRACE’” outlook towards all things Aston Villa (to the point many have suggested he might be a troll).
Or perhaps they are both simply unaccepting of the status quo in a maverick hero-esque manner, you decide.
Maybe there is an element of if both swallowed the oft unsolicited ‘chill pill’ they would be in a better place to make friends and influence people. Who knows.
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I dont get it ???
It took me a look or two, but the reference to pain in the arse (could Sanson be a less nice, but perhaps refreshingly unapologetic/whole hearted character, when we are too nice/accepting substandard) thus referring to him as San5ston would pay homage to our brother Flin5stone who at one point appeared on the verge of achieving the rare feat of uniting the H&V readership in collective frustration at his generally disgusted “It’s a DISGRACE’” outlook towards all things Aston Villa (to the point many have suggested he might be a troll).
Or perhaps they are both simply unaccepting of the status quo in a maverick hero-esque manner, you decide.
Maybe there is an element of if both swallowed the oft unsolicited ‘chill pill’ they would be in a better place to make friends and influence people. Who knows.
Thanks for the explanation purpletrouser5.
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I dont get it ???
It took me a look or two, but the reference to pain in the arse (could Sanson be a less nice, but perhaps refreshingly unapologetic/whole hearted character, when we are too nice/accepting substandard) thus referring to him as San5ston would pay homage to our brother Flin5stone who at one point appeared on the verge of achieving the rare feat of uniting the H&V readership in collective frustration at his generally disgusted “It’s a DISGRACE’” outlook towards all things Aston Villa (to the point many have suggested he might be a troll).
Or perhaps they are both simply unaccepting of the status quo in a maverick hero-esque manner, you decide.
Maybe there is an element of if both swallowed the oft unsolicited ‘chill pill’ they would be in a better place to make friends and influence people. Who knows.
Thanks for the explanation purpletrouser5.
That’s a disgrace. purpletrou5ers surely.
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This is what worries me when we buy french players it never turns out well. I'd love to see him get a chance but it seems it's always problematic with our neighbours over the channel. Then again most players we buy turn out to be a bit of a let down so it's probably nothing to do with them being from France.
Lucas Digne says "Bonjour!" Boubacar Kamara says "Tu peux tenir ma bière ?"
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This is what worries me when we buy french players it never turns out well. I'd love to see him get a chance but it seems it's always problematic with our neighbours over the channel. Then again most players we buy turn out to be a bit of a let down so it's probably nothing to do with them being from France.
Lucas Digne says "Bonjour!" Boubacar Kamara says "Tu peux tenir ma bière ?"
It's a bit early to call either a big success yet.
Digne had some decent performances towards the end of last season, but mostly he's been fairly underwhelming tbf. I really hope Kamara is the answer, looks promising so far.
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I dont get it ???
It took me a look or two, but the reference to pain in the arse (could Sanson be a less nice, but perhaps refreshingly unapologetic/whole hearted character, when we are too nice/accepting substandard) thus referring to him as San5ston would pay homage to our brother Flin5stone who at one point appeared on the verge of achieving the rare feat of uniting the H&V readership in collective frustration at his generally disgusted “It’s a DISGRACE’” outlook towards all things Aston Villa (to the point many have suggested he might be a troll).
Or perhaps they are both simply unaccepting of the status quo in a maverick hero-esque manner, you decide.
Maybe there is an element of if both swallowed the oft unsolicited ‘chill pill’ they would be in a better place to make friends and influence people. Who knows.
Love it when people overthink my posts, it's something I so rarely do.
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On his way to Besiktas if you believe the meeeja.
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Managers obviously see him every day but I'd be disappointed if he went, he just needed a run of consecutive games so we could see what we could do. I just can't see how he's going to get that now.
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I'm pretty certain that as part of the deal to sign Mathieu Berson we agreed to always have one rarely seen, highly-rated French player for us to pin our dreams on. D'espoir and despair.
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I must have seen him dozens of times and still not really sure what he's supposed to do. Is he a defensive midfielder who gets stuck in, a creative genius, a box to box player? He doesn't seem to be any of them, and he's always injured. It's far from impossible he will do well elsewhere, but I won't be devastated if he leaves.
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I would certainly be in the camp that if he had a run of games afforded to him so we really could see the best of him he would be a valuable addition to the first team. I thought in pre-season it looked like he'd get a chance this season, but it seems SG has made up his mind about him. It would be a shame to just loan him out and let his value dwindle though.
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What seems strange is, at least to me, he impressed during pre-season. He looks tenacious and likes to get stuck in, something which we could do with at times.
To go from seeing a fair amount of him in pre-season to him not even making the bench when the season starts, that's weird.
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I think it might be as simple as the manager wants a midfielder thats better than what we have to push the others. But whether some of us agree or not, he (and Smith before him) doesnt see Sanson as being as good as Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey and Kamara. I think thats fair enough and it would therefore be useful to get him off the wage bill.
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I must have seen him dozens of times and still not really sure what he's supposed to do. Is he a defensive midfielder who gets stuck in, a creative genius, a box to box player? He doesn't seem to be any of them, and he's always injured. It's far from impossible he will do well elsewhere, but I won't be devastated if he leaves.
Dozens of times? I think the problem is that we've barely seen him one dozen times - he's probably started less than 12 games. And he's been available far more than he's been injured.
Gerrard pretended he rated him in the media and never gave him a chance whereas McGinn, Luiz, even Ramsey have started dozens of games regardless of form which has been mixed in each of their cases.
Ironically, I just typed Sanson's name into Google to see what the news was on him. First thing that comes up is Pravda wishing him a happy birthday today!
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What seems strange is, at least to me, he impressed during pre-season. He looks tenacious and likes to get stuck in, something which we could do with at times.
To go from seeing a fair amount of him in pre-season to him not even making the bench when the season starts, that's weird.
Yep agree with this, perhaps the pre season appearances were to put him in the shop window or something.
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I must have seen him dozens of times and still not really sure what he's supposed to do. Is he a defensive midfielder who gets stuck in, a creative genius, a box to box player? He doesn't seem to be any of them, and he's always injured. It's far from impossible he will do well elsewhere, but I won't be devastated if he leaves.
Dozens of times? I think the problem is that we've barely seen him one dozen times - he's probably started less than 12 games. And he's been available far more than he's been injured.
Gerrard pretended he rated him in the media and never gave him a chance whereas McGinn, Luiz, even Ramsey have started dozens of games regardless of form which has been mixed in each of their cases.
Ironically, I just typed Sanson's name into Google to see what the news was on him. First thing that comes up is Pravda wishing him a happy birthday today!
"Dozens" was maybe over the top, but he's played twenty-one times for us. Can anyone think of any memorable performances? Pre-season doesn't count.
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What seems strange is, at least to me, he impressed during pre-season. He looks tenacious and likes to get stuck in, something which we could do with at times.
To go from seeing a fair amount of him in pre-season to him not even making the bench when the season starts, that's weird.
Gerrard playing politics methinks....He wants the club to get him a new number 8. To stack our bench with 2 x CBs and 2 x LBs and only one midfielder says it all for me. We might aswell let Iroegbunam go on loan too.
Out of most of the recent Villa leavers (gone and going..) Sanson is the one most likely to prove us wrong I think. Definitely a player there.
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AVFC - the Graveyard for French players - one way trip to Turkey beckons for most
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AVFC - the Graveyard for French players - one way trip to Turkey beckons for most
French central midfielders in particular, Jordan Veretout at least salvaged his career.
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What seems strange is, at least to me, he impressed during pre-season. He looks tenacious and likes to get stuck in, something which we could do with at times.
To go from seeing a fair amount of him in pre-season to him not even making the bench when the season starts, that's weird.
Gerrard playing politics methinks....He wants the club to get him a new number 8. To stack our bench with 2 x CBs and 2 x LBs and only one midfielder says it all for me. We might aswell let Iroegbunam go on loan too.
Out of most of the recent Villa leavers (gone and going..) Sanson is the one most likely to prove us wrong I think. Definitely a player there.
I think it's telling though that Smith didn't rate him, Gerrard doesn't rate him, and no Premier League teams have been sniffing round at all. Usually if somebody good is out of favour at a club, there's a queue of people wanting to take advantage, but in Sanson's case, nothing.
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I must have seen him dozens of times and still not really sure what he's supposed to do. Is he a defensive midfielder who gets stuck in, a creative genius, a box to box player? He doesn't seem to be any of them, and he's always injured. It's far from impossible he will do well elsewhere, but I won't be devastated if he leaves.
Dozens of times? I think the problem is that we've barely seen him one dozen times - he's probably started less than 12 games. And he's been available far more than he's been injured.
Gerrard pretended he rated him in the media and never gave him a chance whereas McGinn, Luiz, even Ramsey have started dozens of games regardless of form which has been mixed in each of their cases.
Ironically, I just typed Sanson's name into Google to see what the news was on him. First thing that comes up is Pravda wishing him a happy birthday today!
"Dozens" was maybe over the top, but he's played twenty-one times for us. Can anyone think of any memorable performances? Pre-season doesn't count.
Away to Chelsea in the League Cup last season. Ran the show, got injured just before half-time (which, admittedly, helps your point).
But the two injury spells he had apart, it's impossible to evaluate him due to his lack of game time when available.
According to this, he was involved in 19 Villa league games for an average of just 34 minutes each:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/morgan-sanson/leistungsdatenverein/spieler/174094
It just strikes me as a wasted opportunity. We bought a player in his mid-20s prime, with Champions League experience, supposedly on the cheap at the time and instead of utilising the asset, we've left him rust when his midfield competitors at the club have all been inconsistent.
I don't blame him for the odd show of frustration (i.e kicking the water bottles á la Ross Barkley) and if that's what's sunk him here, it seems pretty petty of Gerrard.
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"Dozens" was maybe over the top, but he's played twenty-one times for us. Can anyone think of any memorable performances? Pre-season doesn't count.
Most of his 21 games have been as a sub, usually a late one. In games he started he was good against Fulham and Chelsea in the cup but got injured in the first half. The poor lad has been unfortunate with injuries but now I can not see him getting back into out team.
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I'd imagine what's sunk him has been getting injured all the time and not looking anything special when he has been fit.
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What seems strange is, at least to me, he impressed during pre-season. He looks tenacious and likes to get stuck in, something which we could do with at times.
To go from seeing a fair amount of him in pre-season to him not even making the bench when the season starts, that's weird.
Gerrard playing politics methinks....He wants the club to get him a new number 8. To stack our bench with 2 x CBs and 2 x LBs and only one midfielder says it all for me. We might aswell let Iroegbunam go on loan too.
Out of most of the recent Villa leavers (gone and going..) Sanson is the one most likely to prove us wrong I think. Definitely a player there.
I think it's telling though that Smith didn't rate him, Gerrard doesn't rate him, and no Premier League teams have been sniffing round at all. Usually if somebody good is out of favour at a club, there's a queue of people wanting to take advantage, but in Sanson's case, nothing.
Besiktas does seem a long way down the career ladder alright. I thought there would be clubs with a much higher profile than the Turkish league after both Traore and Sanson, based on their careers pre Villa. I think it's a sign of the market currently, PL clubs including Villa are being hosed financially on these deals.
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All this talk of French players and not one mention of Makoun's jumper!
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All this talk of French players and not one mention of Makoun's jumper!
Well, when we move onto Cameroonian players...
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All this talk of French players and not one mention of Makoun's jumper!
Well, when we move onto Cameroonian players...
fair enough - my memory is so hazy on some of that era!
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I'd imagine what's sunk him has been getting injured all the time and not looking anything special when he has been fit.
Or not being ever given a run in the team to show how good he might be for the period he has been available and we've been average in midfield.
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Happy birthday Morgan!
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I'd imagine what's sunk him has been getting injured all the time and not looking anything special when he has been fit.
Or not being ever given a run in the team to show how good he might be for the period he has been available and we've been average in midfield.
He's never done anything to earn a run in the team.
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I'd imagine what's sunk him has been getting injured all the time and not looking anything special when he has been fit.
Or not being ever given a run in the team to show how good he might be for the period he has been available and we've been average in midfield.
He's never done anything to earn a run in the team.
But has he been so poor that he seemingly did not get a fair chance?
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He's played twenty times. He should have done... something. Ideally without getting injured.
If he was any good he would be heading somewhere better than the Turkish League.
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He's played twenty times. He should have done... something. Ideally without getting injured.
If he was any good he would be heading somewhere better than the Turkish League.
Quite damning but i respect your opinion.
Personally i would of liked to have seen him a little more but i suppose its up to the player to show up in training.
Maybe he should of turned up in ridiculous costumes or acted the fool at training as that seems to warrant McGinn a place every game
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Perhaps he's just been a moany twat under both Smith and Gerrard? I don't know though. Whatever, quite a few Premier League teams were interested in him when we got him, which was seen as a bit of a coup. But now, not not a sniff, not even on loan, when I'm sure we'd be happy enough just to see his wages off the books.
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I'd imagine what's sunk him has been getting injured all the time and not looking anything special when he has been fit.
You'd have the mostly awful McGinn playing over him which pretty much says everything. Totally not biased of course. ;D
Sanson has been treated poorly by the club same with Guilbert. Both of whom are excellent players.
"Oh, two mangers didn't fancy him, so something's wrong" No, one bozo manager who got found out as soon as the ex poster boy got injured or left, and the current one who plays his mate over the other in-form midfielder.
Literally the same people on this forum are like "Why is he picking Coutinho over Buendia, he should be starting" but Sanson who has looked very good here and there without being given a decent run - it's, "The manager(s) know(s) better than posters on a forum, he must have an attitude problem."
Lolz.
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Sanson hasn't looked really good though, so, rofl.
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Yeah, get him gone... My entire post proven ;)
I'd play Buendia in Coutinho's spot at the moment, with Sanson in for McGinn and Luiz in for Ramsey.
Well two managers now haven't fancied Sanson, same with Guilbert, so something's gone wrong for him.
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"Bozo manager". FFS.
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Sanson who has looked very good here and there
Assume this must have been on Pro Evolution.
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I'd imagine what's sunk him has been getting injured all the time and not looking anything special when he has been fit.
You'd have the mostly awful McGinn playing over him which pretty much says everything. Totally not biased of course. ;D
Sanson has been treated poorly by the club same with Guilbert. Both of whom are excellent players.
"Oh, two mangers didn't fancy him, so something's wrong" No, one bozo manager who got found out as soon as the ex poster boy got injured or left, and the current one who plays his mate over the other in-form midfielder.
Literally the same people on this forum are like "Why is he picking Coutinho over Buendia, he should be starting" but Sanson who has looked very good here and there without being given a decent run - it's, "The manager(s) know(s) better than posters on a forum, he must have an attitude problem."
Lolz.
I'd imagine what's sunk him has been getting injured all the time and not looking anything special when he has been fit.
You'd have the mostly awful McGinn playing over him which pretty much says everything. Totally not biased of course. ;D
Sanson has been treated poorly by the club same with Guilbert. Both of whom are excellent players.
"Oh, two mangers didn't fancy him, so something's wrong" No, one bozo manager who got found out as soon as the ex poster boy got injured or left, and the current one who plays his mate over the other in-form midfielder.
Literally the same people on this forum are like "Why is he picking Coutinho over Buendia, he should be starting" but Sanson who has looked very good here and there without being given a decent run - it's, "The manager(s) know(s) better than posters on a forum, he must have an attitude problem."
Lolz.
Totally agree about Sanson and Guilbert. Neither to me have looked sub standard when played. Couple of injuries in midfield and/or Matty Cash being out, and I don't see us with players who can step up especially at RB. I don't want to see Konsa or Young as an emergency RB.
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I don't get the Guilbert thing either, he looked ok at times but would crumbled under pressure and his decision making was poor
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Anyway, happy birthday Morgan - hope the Turks love ya more than we did and that you're paid your wages in a timely fashion.
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Guilbert looked okish in a side steamrolling towards relegation before the pandemic. Sanson has looked okish in the few times he’s played. Don’t see a problem with them going nor why it would be a problem.
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If it was just Gerrard that didn’t use Sanson it might be different but the fact that Smith was the same suggests that there are issues with him. Perhaps he’s a cock in training and unpopular with his teammates, maybe he’s asked by the manager to play in a particular way but ignores it. Who knows for sure but my guess is he’s a wrong ‘un.
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I like to see my compatriots do well at Villa so it is frustrating to see that Sanson doesn't seem to be working out. If Gerrard doesn't fancy him then he's basically fucked, whatever we may think.
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Doesn't sound like he's a dick/troublemaker at all...
The Athletic:
Bertrand Traore and Morgan Sanson — the two big-money arrivals from January 2021 — are set to leave Aston Villa.
A number of Turkish clubs have shown an interest in taking both players on loan and Traore (pictured) is now closing in on a switch to Istanbul Basaksehir.
The winger, signed for £17million, has fallen out of favour under Steven Gerrard and knows he needs to move in search of game time.
Sanson’s situation is slightly more nuanced as Gerrard insists he has trained well and is pushing for involvement. It is understood that Villa have not given up hope on the Frenchman — signed for £14 million — featuring again in the future.
But like Traore, Sanson wants to be playing regularly, and the search for a temporary move is on.
Both Besiktas and Galatasaray have shown an interest and the former Marseille man is also open to a return back to France, with various options explored.
Neither player has made it into a 20-man Premier League squad for Villa this season with youngster Tim Iroegbunam travelling as the 21st man in case of any pre-game setbacks.
Ahead of Villa’s trip to Crystal Palace on Saturday, Gerrard said: “There’s a few things brewing in the background and a few plates spinning.
“We’re close on one or two different things (regarding outgoings).”
Speaking about Sanson, the 28-year-old who was signed before he joined the club, Gerrard said: “Morgan has been very professional, he’s been calm, he’s been training well but, at the same time, he’s frustrated with his game time.
“I respect that, I understand that so, if something lands for Morgan that he wants to pursue, we won’t stand in his way. At the same time, he’s training well and is pushing to be back in the frame.”
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So if he has been a model professional in training why not more opportunities? Seems very strange. I think the throwing of the water bottle at Arse did for him personally. Under Smith yes. But maybe he has shown the same contempt since. Very weird nonetheless.
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If he's not going to actually play minutes or be in the squad let's include him in any moves we make in market.
Suitably there would be a French based club that we could take someone like Houssem Aouar or the ilk and he go there.
Forest have been interested in Aouar and he's quality midfielder.
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What happens with him now the window has closed and he's still here?
Surely it would make sense to at least bring him back to training with the first team squad?
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He could still go to a club in Turkey this week as their window is still open.
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Aaaah gotcha, good point.
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Miles down the pecking order now with Dendoncker coming in.
If opportunity is there I think he'll go on loan aswell. I assume Gulibert will be stuck training with the kids until January.
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Guilbert going might be dependent on the severity of Cash's injury.
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Sanson to play at Right Back.
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Galatasaray and I think another Turkish club were linked with him earlier in the summer. His Insta was spammed with Gala fans asking him to move there. So there might be some Turkish Delight on the cards yet for our Morgan.
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Turkish window closes tomorrow (Greece and Portugal still open til later in month), don't know how reputable this guy is, but talk of a loan move to Galatasaray for Sanson after a switch to Español fell through.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sachatavolieri/status/1567213978656325634
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What happens with him now the window has closed and he's still here?
Surely it would make sense to at least bring him back to training with the first team squad?
Pretty sure he's always been training with the first team squad. He's often in the pictures/videos on Pravda.
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Apparently he would have signed for Espanyol, but the paperwork came through too late on the transfer deadline day.
I guess if they come back in January, they will get him at an even lower price, given that he most probably won't play very much, if at all, before then.
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I presume that there was a bit of money involved, or a loan fee, otherwise they could simply rip his contract up and let him leave.
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He was mentioned in articles about Emery's unveiling yesterday by The Athletic, Express & Star and Daily Telegraph (Percy), as someone who our new manager knows and admires from his time managing PSG when Sanson was at Marseille. This lad finally may get a run in the team.
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Gerrard made similar noises too.
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I can't see Emery being as loyal to a months of under-performing "Ginny" in our midfield.
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Strange though, all the different managers, caretaker/interims we've had in the time Sanson has been here and no-one has picked him.
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Why would they want a player who can keep possession and pass to a player in the same kit?
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Why would they want a player who can keep possession and pass to a player in the same kit?
wonder how MCGinn gets away with being picked most weeks
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Strange though, all the different managers, caretaker/interims we've had in the time Sanson has been here and no-one has picked him.
Nor seemingly actively looked to get rid of him.
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Smith did not have much time to work with him by the time he returned from injury.
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I hope he gets his chance.
He'll have been like a dog with two cocks when he heard Gerrard had got the bullet, I reckon.
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I hope he gets his chance.
He'll have been like a dog with two cocks when he heard Gerrard had got the bullet, I reckon.
He probably was when Smith got the boot as well though to be fair. We'll see. I just think there's something wrong when two very different coaches didn't fancy him at all.
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Why would they want a player who can keep possession and pass to a player in the same kit?
lolz.
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Didn’t Sanson play for Emery at PSG? Short lived as it was
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I'm 99% sure Sanson never played for PSG.
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100% sure he never played for PSG. He was transfered from Montpellier to Marseille.
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Yeah he hasn't played for PSG.
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My mistake. I thought for some reason they knew each other somehow. Maybe it’s just that Sanson was a prominent player for Marseille and Montpellier while Emery was at PSG.
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Given we know that Emery analyses opponents by trawling thru hours of videos from their games, I'm sure he'll be well-aware of him. This is his big chance.
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Given we know that Emery analyses opponents by trawling thru hours of videos from their games, I'm sure he'll be well-aware of him. This is his big chance.
There won't be much recent video evidence then!
I don't get it with Sanson and find the whole thing irritating. Like so many other French players at Villa, he's an oddity. Fairly decent money spent on a problem area for us for years, but 2 managers have completely passed on him. On the few times we've seen him, he's been tidy on the ball but largely anonymous. It might just be that he just isn't quite good enough to play in a premier league midfield. Of his attitude might be bad. Or both. Something is off though. If he doesn't get a game under Emery I would hope we just flog him or let him leave, so we can all stop wondering why he doesn't get a game.
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He was injured for almost the entire time Smith was here.
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He was injured for almost the entire time Smith was here.
He arrived on the back of an injury and was clearly not fully fit in his early appearances but then he dropped out of the match day squad in the March and barely featured again under Smith. The Gerrard came in and we had the same run of cameo appearances for a few months before he got frozen out again. I suspect a big part of the problem is that he does well in those cameo appearances and then gets frustrated when it doesn't result in a run of starts and that response creates a problem between him and the manager(s). I'm guessing but it's the only thing that seems to fit with how he's been used, looked good and then been dumped.
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Did well in his few minutes today, a very tidy turn in front of their lot to boot.
Photos of him smiling too. He might finally get a chance.
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He seems happy with the support he got.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Morgan_Sanson8/status/1589335503895425024
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https://mobile.twitter.com/_AVFCOlly/status/1589284334519078914
This response had me in stitches ;D
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Was nice to see him get on, reminded me of that massive ovation Salifou got years back when he randomly came on in a home match.
I found it odd he didn't come on in either game Danks managed so clearly not just Gerrard had issues in not rating him amongst them.
Sanson will get chances in the xmas/new year period so up to him what he makes of it. When we talk of clean slates under a new manager he thankfully has one now and his style should be to Emery's liking.
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Don't think it's conclusive to say that Danks didn't rate Sanson. He already had enough big calls to make in dropping McGinn and Ramsey for a midfield Dend-anchor and to incorporate Ings, Watkins and Bailey.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/_AVFCOlly/status/1589284334519078914
This response had me in stitches ;D
Ace!
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Where on earth is Morgan Sanson? A mystery unless someone is in the know? He doesn't appear to be in any of the training videos over in Dubai.
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Where on earth is Morgan Sanson?
Song titles for the new Half Man half Biscuit are shaping up nicely :)
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I wonder if we've reached agreement with someone to buy him from Jan 1st.
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Looks like the whole squad is photographed after today's game, well, those who are out in sunny climes, anyway. Sanson is not on the photo.
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Maybe Doug's mate ate him?
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Detective Ash Preece had this update from the Pravda training pics now that the squad were back at Bodymoor:
Morgan Sanson is back amongst the group after he missed the warm-weather training camp due to a private matter. The midfielder was seen walking towards the training pitches alongside fellow countrymen Boubacar Kamara and Lucas Digne but, unlike the rest of his teammates, Sanson was in his trainers and not football boots. The 28-year-old wasn’t seen in any of the footage later in the session which suggests he had been undertaking fitness work to get him back up to speed.
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I always hoped it would happen for Morgan, but now not seeming to be able to get a sniff under Emery either I just hope he leaves. At his age it's crazy to watch your career ebb away. He should do everything he can to get a move, even if it means a pay cut.
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Sick note Sanson
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Versus Wolves we needed an extra midfielder, but Sanson was not even considered an option from the bench and overlooked.
I'm guessing his time is up and he'll leave in this window.
Emery was open about the fact that some players were looking to leave.
He's gotta be one of them.
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He's like a shirt you buy in the sale because it was a bargain, which you then never wear because it doesn't quite go with anything else.
Really shit recruitment, the main motivation for it seemed to be 'ooh, he's cheaper than we thought he would be, let's buy him' with no clear plan as to where he'd fit in.
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I think he has looked ok when he has played.
Wonder if he is a bit half arsed when training?
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Someone told me last night Samson had asked to leave but I haven't seen it reported anywhere.
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Today v Stevenage
I hope if he gets subbed that he doesn't kick the water bottle today!
It's a token chance for him.
Feel its a no win situation however as he's up against a league two outfit.
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Hope he has a good game today.
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Nice ball in to Ings from Sanson.
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Delighted for him getting his goal, he's waited for a happy moment in a Villa shirt since signing two years ago.
A pity after he went off, his teammates contrived to fuck-up the happy feeling.
He's got a touch of class about him, always looking to be positive in possession. Better technique than most of our team. Maybe off the ball is too lightweight and doesn't offer enough when we already carry Coutinho and Buendia in that regard. But he gets into good positions and can clearly finish chances, and we don't have that from the box-to-box midfielders apart from Ramsey.
I'd like to see him given a run in the team now, finally, but decisions may have already been made on his future.
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One of the very few bright spots today. God know what's happened to see him blackballed so completely before now, given some of the shit we've witnessed from players who keep their places every week.
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Probably our best player today, showed some urgency which the rest lacked.
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Our best player today.... Hope it wasn't a Sanson Swansong.
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I really want to see him play more but I have a feeling we won’t.
Best player in claret and blue today by far.
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He was decent, don't think he pulled up any trees but he was better than the rest of the dross. It is odd that he hasn't played more.
Wonder what the head pointing celebration was all about.
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Hope it wasn't a Sanson Swansong.
In the sea of shit that was today's result, that's a thing of poetic beauty.
Edit - was good today. And if he isn't involved in the next game it rather obviates the point of anyone outside the first XI playing well on the occasions when they are selected.
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I thought he was good today. Swivels well in tight spaces and finished his chance well.
If nothing, it was a good advertisement for suitors this month. Hard to believe that he’s never got a run of games considering how mediocre we’ve been in his time here.
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Not sure I agree. I thought he made a good run for his goal and took it well. He was also better than many of the rest of the dross out there but that’s about as much praise as I can manage. I saw nothing to wish he’d be picked more.
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Not sure I agree. I thought he made a good run for his goal and took it well. He was also better than many of the rest of the dross out there but that’s about as much praise as I can manage. I saw nothing to wish he’d be picked more.
"Many of the dross out there" are still all the players that normally play all the time.
So if he was better than them, it suggests that he shouldn't spend two years barely making the bench.
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If you’re asking if I’d have him in ahead of Luiz, Kamara, Ramsey or McGinn based on today then no I wouldn’t.
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If you’re asking if I’d have him in ahead of Luiz, Kamara, Ramsey or McGinn based on today then no I wouldn’t.
I'm not asking anything. I'm just saying that given some of the horror shows of the last two years he was someone who didn't need to be completely out of consideration.
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If you’re asking if I’d have him in ahead of Luiz, Kamara, Ramsey or McGinn based on today then no I wouldn’t.
I'm not asking anything. I'm just saying that given some of the horror shows of the last two years he was someone who didn't need to be completely out of consideration.
Right, and I’m not talking about the last 2 years either. I’m talking about future games. He didn’t jump the queue ahead of those 4 players based on today. You never know, we might even bring someone else in this month as well.
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I suppose his does have the mitigation of not having started a competitive match for 12 months too. With that in mind, his performance can be judged a bit more favourably than it perhaps deserved.
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That's probably why he was taken off.
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Sanson did ok today against 4th division players. That’s about it. He’s bang average (and he’s by no means the only one out there) sorry but there it is.
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Not sure I agree. I thought he made a good run for his goal and took it well. He was also better than many of the rest of the dross out there but that’s about as much praise as I can manage. I saw nothing to wish he’d be picked more.
Yeah took his goal well, but gave away possession too many times. Obviously hasn't played much at all so was going to be rusty, but I hoped for him to put in a top performance to try and prove a point, but he didn't unfortunately.
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He's one of our few players who's played in the Champions League and at 28 should be at his peak. Two years of injuries and not being given a run in the team will have blunted him but when you see how inconsistent the players that get in ahead of him, I can't see why he isn't deserving of a proper run in the side so we can all find out once and for all.
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He's the French Ashley Westwood.
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Always thought there may be a player in the tree from the very short glimpses we’ve seen.
But as much as I think that, three managers haven’t picked him. With a lot of players being very average during that period.
That’s probably telling me he’s not up to it.
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Always thought there may be a player in the tree from the very short glimpses we’ve seen.
But as much as I think that, three managers haven’t picked him. With a lot of players being very average during that period.
That’s probably telling me he’s not up to it.
Oh FFS, not trees again.
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Always thought there may be a player in the tree from the very short glimpses we’ve seen.
But as much as I think that, three managers haven’t picked him. With a lot of players being very average during that period.
That’s probably telling me he’s not up to it.
Oh FFS, not trees again.
He wood never be up to the standards of Elmo that’s fir sure
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Always thought there may be a player in the tree from the very short glimpses we’ve seen.
But as much as I think that, three managers haven’t picked him. With a lot of players being very average during that period.
That’s probably telling me he’s not up to it.
Oh FFS, not trees again.
He wood never be up to the standards of Elmo that’s fir sure
Surely that is a Joak
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Always thought there may be a player in the tree from the very short glimpses we’ve seen.
But as much as I think that, three managers haven’t picked him. With a lot of players being very average during that period.
That’s probably telling me he’s not up to it.
Oh FFS, not trees again.
He wood never be up to the standards of Elmo that’s fir sure
Surely that is a Joak
Why wood anyone bring this up agrain.
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Morgan Sanson appears to have played his final match for us as he closes in on a loan move to Montpellier.
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I'm pleased for him. I was massively suprised by how few chances he was given as he always looked pretty decent to me when he played. But if 3 managers don't fancy you then it's time to cut your losses.
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Morgan Sanson appears to have played his final match for us as he closes in on a loan move to Montpellier.
It’s been a nightmare for the lad. From what I have seen there is very decent footballer in there and I hope he plays regularly wherever he goes.
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Always thought there may be a player in the tree from the very short glimpses we’ve seen.
But as much as I think that, three managers haven’t picked him. With a lot of players being very average during that period.
That’s probably telling me he’s not up to it.
Oh FFS, not trees again.
He wood never be up to the standards of Elmo that’s fir sure
Surely that is a Joak
Why wood anyone bring this up agrain.
My poor typing strikes again
I thought someone might twig
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Morgan Sanson appears to have played his final match for us as he closes in on a loan move to Montpellier.
I said on another thread, the way he waved to the stands as he was taken off on Sunday gave off that feeling. Never given a proper chance, so we'll never know if he was any good or not.
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Always thought there may be a player in the tree from the very short glimpses we’ve seen.
But as much as I think that, three managers haven’t picked him. With a lot of players being very average during that period.
That’s probably telling me he’s not up to it.
Oh FFS, not trees again.
He wood never be up to the standards of Elmo that’s fir sure
Surely that is a Joak
Why wood anyone bring this up agrain.
My poor typing strikes again
I thought someone might twig
Yew have very high expectations of us on here!
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I've been one of his champions as technically gifted Villa midfielders set my heart a-flutter more than huff and puff merchants and this guy was more than good enough to get a run when the players ahead of him who are so inconsistent.
Maybe some light about his confusing time here will finally be shed when L'Equipe ask for a tell-all interview but he'll probably have to be off our books completely before he gives his frank opinion.
As someone on here beautifully put it, Sunday seems to have been a Sanson Swansong and much like Simon Pegg's tragic character in The World's End ("We'll always have the disabled toilets" - deluded hankering after a long-ago tryst with a girl who regretted it ever since - Rosamund Pike played her), Morgan will always have his Stevenage moment.
A bit of an Ivo Stas in the end and what might have been. Bon chance, Monsieur.
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I think he's been positive about us and Digne certainly said they'd spoken before he came and Sanson had been positive about us.
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As someone on here beautifully put it, Sunday seems to have been a Sanson Swansong and much like Simon Pegg's tragic character in The World's End ("We'll always have the disabled toilets" - deluded hankering after a long-ago tryst with a girl who regretted it ever since - Rosamund Pike played her), Morgan will always have his Stevenage moment.
Agree with you on Sanson and as an aside, I once saw Rosamund Pike naked in the flesh. She's definitely not Brazilian.
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I've been one of his champions as technically gifted Villa midfielders set my heart a-flutter more than huff and puff merchants and this guy was more than good enough to get a run when the players ahead of him who are so inconsistent.
Maybe some light about his confusing time here will finally be shed when L'Equipe ask for a tell-all interview but he'll probably have to be off our books completely before he gives his frank opinion.
As someone on here beautifully put it, Sunday seems to have been a Sanson Swansong and much like Simon Pegg's tragic character in The World's End ("We'll always have the disabled toilets" - deluded hankering after a long-ago tryst with a girl who regretted it ever since - Rosamund Pike played her), Morgan will always have his Stevenage moment.
A bit of an Ivo Stas in the end and what might have been. Bon chance, Monsieur.
More like a Veretout I think. Shown glimpses of ability, but you always get the feeling that something isn't quite right.
No ill feelings towards him and wish him well with his next move.
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Definitely seemed a DOF type signing, value for money with Marseilles in financial trouble and a decent pedigree at Europa league level (similar to Traore). But none of our three head coaches seemed to rate him. I think there was always a suspicion he was too lightweight for PL football, certainly a valid shout when he first joined. But when likes of McGinn consistently wasn't performing it didnt make much sense how he got very little chances.
As flops go, Sanson will be up there. He will end up leaving for little or nothing.
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Couldn’t the acquisition of him be similarly opportunistic to grabbing Kamara? Ironically from the same club. Sanson came over with a good reputation and for any number of reasons. Him and Guilbert are such bizarre transfers to be filed with Berson.
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Seems he off to Montpellier. Boy they need him, smashed 6-1 last night.
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Definitely seemed a DOF type signing, value for money with Marseilles in financial trouble and a decent pedigree at Europa league level (similar to Traore). But none of our three head coaches seemed to rate him. I think there was always a suspicion he was too lightweight for PL football, certainly a valid shout when he first joined. But when likes of McGinn consistently wasn't performing it didnt make much sense how he got very little chances.
As flops go, Sanson will be up there. He will end up leaving for little or nothing.
Think that was always going to be the case with Lange's first few bargain basement buys. He's come knowing which players will work for FC Copenhagen. Sanson to be looks like a player with plenty of ability, but isn't suited to Premier League football for whatever reason
Guess he'll probably end up getting flogged to some French side for pennies, but I imagine we'll still get something for him (unlike, say, Guilbert).
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Morgone Sansgone (loan to Strasbourg apparently)
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There MUST be someone coming in imminently if this is happening.
If not we’re going to have a very sparse bench.
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There MUST be someone coming in imminently if this is happening.
If not we’re going to have a very sparse bench.
Indeed.
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Morgone Sansgone (loan to Strasbourg apparently)
Isn’t that where Guilbert went? Not getting confused are they?
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Morgone Sansgone (loan to Strasbourg apparently)
Isn’t that where Guilbert went? Not getting confused are they?
It's from L'Equipe so imagine it's very reliable.
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If he and marvellous go then there is a big hole in our midfield support.
Maybe the fa cup week off allows us to bring in recruits and settle them in. I feel this will be a big week.
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Morgone Sansgone (loan to Strasbourg apparently)
Isn’t that where Guilbert went? Not getting confused are they?
It's from L'Equipe so imagine it's very reliable.
I reckon it’s me who’s getting confused!
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Is there really a hole in our midfield if he and Nakamba go? They never play, so what hole will they create?
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Is there really a hole in our midfield if he and Nakamba go? They never play, so what hole will they create?
Hole(s) on our bench for now. No point keeping players that aren't wanted. That's two gone, Nakamba to go.
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Is there really a hole in our midfield if he and Nakamba go? They never play, so what hole will they create?
pin pricks
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Definitely seemed a DOF type signing, value for money with Marseilles in financial trouble and a decent pedigree at Europa league level (similar to Traore). But none of our three head coaches seemed to rate him. I think there was always a suspicion he was too lightweight for PL football, certainly a valid shout when he first joined. But when likes of McGinn consistently wasn't performing it didnt make much sense how he got very little chances.
As flops go, Sanson will be up there. He will end up leaving for little or nothing.
Think that was always going to be the case with Lange's first few bargain basement buys. He's come knowing which players will work for FC Copenhagen. Sanson to be looks like a player with plenty of ability, but isn't suited to Premier League football for whatever reason
Guess he'll probably end up getting flogged to some French side for pennies, but I imagine we'll still get something for him (unlike, say, Guilbert).
The French Westwood? Or Hourihane, but without the sweet left foot?
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I've realised, albeit a bit late that the reason Sanson hasn't played much for us is that he is a tidy all-round player, good technical skills etc but that he isn't really a game changer, there's no stand-out feature of his game.
Good luck to him, never seemed to moan, has talked us up to new signings and just got on with it.
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I've realised, albeit a bit late that the reason Sanson hasn't played much for us is that he is a tidy all-round player, good technical skills etc but that he isn't really a game changer, there's no stand-out feature of his game.
Over the last two years you could make the same argument for Luiz and McGinn though. It's a strange one all round, but good luck to him in any case.
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I've realised, albeit a bit late that the reason Sanson hasn't played much for us is that he is a tidy all-round player, good technical skills etc but that he isn't really a game changer, there's no stand-out feature of his game.
Over the last two years you could make the same argument for Luiz and McGinn though. It's a strange one all round, but good luck to him in any case.
Perhaps but certainly to a lesser degree. McGinn has topped the defensive stats in the league, ever mind our squad. Luiz is slightly different, but there's been enough seen in his passing or dead ball ability to show he's got something.
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Emery on Sanson before the Southampton game:
"(Morgan) Sanson as well is in the possibility to leave, but Sanson for me is a very good player," Emery said in his pre-Southampton press conference. "He understands very good how we want to play and he has the skill to do it.
"But he has to play in a team to be consistent, trying to play more and here it’s difficult to give him it - he is as well finding something to leave."
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I've realised, albeit a bit late that the reason Sanson hasn't played much for us is that he is a tidy all-round player, good technical skills etc but that he isn't really a game changer, there's no stand-out feature of his game.
Over the last two years you could make the same argument for Luiz and McGinn though. It's a strange one all round, but good luck to him in any case.
Perhaps but certainly to a lesser degree. McGinn has topped the defensive stats in the league, ever mind our squad. Luiz is slightly different, but there's been enough seen in his passing or dead ball ability to show he's got something.
But it's impossible to say or not what effect Sanson may have had, as he's never had the chance at a consistent run in the team. He looked the best player on the pitch in the league cup against Chelsea, then got injured, and subsequently mostly had a few 20 minute cameos as sub. Not a biggy, just a vague sense of wondering what might have been.
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I've realised, albeit a bit late that the reason Sanson hasn't played much for us is that he is a tidy all-round player, good technical skills etc but that he isn't really a game changer, there's no stand-out feature of his game.
Over the last two years you could make the same argument for Luiz and McGinn though. It's a strange one all round, but good luck to him in any case.
Perhaps but certainly to a lesser degree. McGinn has topped the defensive stats in the league, ever mind our squad. Luiz is slightly different, but there's been enough seen in his passing or dead ball ability to show he's got something.
But it's impossible to say or not what effect Sanson may have had, as he's never had the chance at a consistent run in the team. He looked the best player on the pitch in the league cup against Chelsea, then got injured, and subsequently mostly had a few 20 minute cameos as sub. Not a biggy, just a vague sense of wondering what might have been.
I agree, he looked more technical and better on the ball than our other midfielders at times, jack of all trades though I suspect. And no manager seemed to like him enough.
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Wonder how different it might have been for him if not for that injury early on; he seemed to be swimming against the tide ever since. On the brief evidence we’ve seen looked like a tidy player without being really suited to the PL.
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With no buy option and Emery clearly rating him, I do wonder if he may be given another shot after playing week in week out for a few months.
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I think his profile is a little too similar to the players with whom he's in contention for a spot (Luiz, Ramsey, McGinn) - Kamara is the only top-class midfielder off the ball we have. Nakamba being a poor man's version.
Sanson, like the three mentioned above in brackets, is a mix of everything but when you add Buendia and Coutinho into the mix, his skill-set is probably not specialist enough. It's a shame cos if they were all being judged afresh and starting from scratch I think he'd be giving Dugee, JJ and Meatball a run for their money.
The spells out injured and successive managers prefering to go with players who have more PL experience has done for him in the end.
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With no buy option and Emery clearly rating him, I do wonder if he may be given another shot after playing week in week out for a few months.
I was wondering that - is it just a case of getting Sanson games over the next 6 months and seeing where he is after that? He's barely played over the past couple of seasons.
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Given that we are supposedly in for Guendouzi, then I'm surprised Sanson hasn't been mentioned as part of a potential deal. Unless he upset a few people at Marseille by leaving.
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Out on loan to RC Strasbourg.
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Good luck Morgan! Pity it never quite worked out for you at VP.
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We're going to have no subs left at this rate.
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We're going to have no subs left at this rate.
Was going to say the same thing
Unless we get a few in, this is all very risky. Look at the state of the bench in the last match, for example.
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Best of luck to him, let's hope he regains his mojo.
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Surely we are to bring a couple in ?
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I think a little bit too much is being made of the bench on Saturday. We had three players out injured, he couldn't pick Bednerak and for some reason, he chose not to pick Nakamba or Augustinsson. It did look a bit weak but I'm sure the next bench will look a lot stronger.
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I wish him luck. There is no doubt a decent player in him. But injuries, poor form, low confidence, an idiot manager (Gerrard), have not been kind to him during his time at Villa. I hope he can regain his form & return to Villa. He will be like a new signing...
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I think a little bit too much is being made of the bench on Saturday. We had three players out injured, he couldn't pick Bednerak and for some reason, he chose not to pick Nakamba or Augustinsson. It did look a bit weak but I'm sure the next bench will look a lot stronger.
He chose not to pick Naka and Aug because he has told them they have no future at the club.
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Of all the Loanees that we sent out
Morgan is the only one i can see actually training - i wonder if he has another chance?
No sign of Hause, Nakamba, Davies, Philogene
or as previously mentioned - Couthino???
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Of all the Loanees that we sent out
Morgan is the only one i can see actually training - i wonder if he has another chance?
No sign of Hause, Nakamba, Davies, Philogene
or as previously mentioned - Couthino???
There were supposed to be 2 French clubs interested in signing him this summer.
I do wonder if it's strategy that we've not actually let anyone except Young leave yet? If finances didn't come into it I think it makes sense to see how many of your targets you can get in before deciding who can leave.
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Of all the Loanees that we sent out
Morgan is the only one i can see actually training - i wonder if he has another chance?
No sign of Hause, Nakamba, Davies, Philogene
or as previously mentioned - Couthino???
There were supposed to be 2 French clubs interested in signing him this summer.
I do wonder if it's strategy that we've not actually let anyone except Young leave yet? If finances didn't come into it I think it makes sense to see how many of your targets you can get in before deciding who can leave.
If the Ings deal is anything to go by, they very much don't buy into that way of thinking. Somebody like Coutinho might be 50/50 in that they'd accept a good fee for him if offered, but Hause, Nakamba, Philogene and Davis clearly have no future with us even if we didn't sign anybody else.
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Aren't Strasbourg loaded now becoming a parent club of Chelsea? Surely they can afford 4-5m.
We can't really ask for much more given he's played twice for us in two years.
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If the Ings deal is anything to go by, they very much don't buy into that way of thinking. Somebody like Coutinho might be 50/50 in that they'd accept a good fee for him if offered, but Hause, Nakamba, Philogene and Davis clearly have no future with us even if we didn't sign anybody else.
Fair point. There's definitely some of them we probably can't get rid of. I just find it odd/interesting that there's several who apparently have clubs interested in them, and the player is happy to go, but there's been no movement yet.
As people have pointed out, last season we had matches where we struggled to fill the bench. Even going into these preseason games we're missing Bailey and Ramsey. If someone else picks up a knock then we could be light on numbers.
Or maybe UE just wants to have a proper look at him before deciding to let him go.
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I feel a bit sorry for Sanson, in that he's never really had an extended chance to show what he can do.
But then again, it's three managers who have seen it the same way.
Although, on the other hand, I am pretty sure Emery said he rated him and he's a good player with a good attitude, a hardworker, just that he couldn't see where he'd fit in with the way we play.
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He had a fair few injuries with us too, didn't he?
If players were happy to do it, and UE felt they were up to it, I'd be quite happy to have some of them line out against lesser teams, be it league or early Cup games, especially if we get into the Conference group stages. Or play the second half of a match we're comfortably winning so others can have more time off between games.
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The last time he played he finally scored, in our worst defeat possibly ever.
He really hasn't had much luck.
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If anybody was going to get his career going again at Villa, it would be Emery. If none of Smith or Gerrard or Emery fancied him, then I think it's just not meant to be.
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Whenever I see his thread pop up again it reminds me of Purslow trying to be all French sounding when pronouncing his name - a bit like that song by Manhattan Transfer.
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Whenever I see his thread pop up again it reminds me of Purslow trying to be all French sounding when pronouncing his name - a bit like that song by Manhattan Transfer.
haha Sanson D'amour
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Still keeping my fingers crossed for Morg. He's a classy player.
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Didn't he have a bit part in the Stevenage debacle? Many players had their cards marked after that, rightly so too. He's never been shocking but never been that good either and if Emery and his team can't get a tune out of him well, maybe he'd be better off moving on.
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Seem to remember he was one of the better players against Stevenage and scored our goal.
Was subbed when we were winning I think.
Injuries have derailed his Villa career.
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I just hope he goes soon so we never have to debate again whether he could be good if
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Didn't he have a bit part in the Stevenage debacle? Many players had their cards marked after that, rightly so too. He's never been shocking but never been that good either and if Emery and his team can't get a tune out of him well, maybe he'd be better off moving on.
He is immune from the Stevanage debacle.
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Back on the bench!
At least he's ahead of Nakamba in the midfield pecking order.
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Almost gone according to emery and explains his absence tonight
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1683293022182686720?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Unai Emery confirms Morgan Sanson is set to leave #AVFC imminently.
Philippe Coutinho missed the Newcastle match through fitness, but should feature against Fulham on Wednesday. Leander Dendoncker is in Birmingham after recently becoming a father.
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So no Sanson swan song.
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I see a couple of random Strasbourg fans on Twitter (or X or whatever) speculating that he has been on the blower to Marc Keller, the president of Strasbourg. A return to La Meinau seems the most likely scenario but reports in L'Équipe and elsewhere are suggesting that Lille are after him on a loan with option to buy basis.
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It is amusing to read through the tweets about Sanson. He was going to be reincarnated as our right back, the tour was a final chance to prove himself, a new start, could thrive in the cups and the Conf League, and an "interesting" inclusion according to somebody called Dan Bardell, although I don't know who he is
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It is amusing to read through the tweets about Sanson. He was going to be reincarnated as our right back, the tour was a final chance to prove himself, a new start, could thrive in the cups and the Conf League, and an "interesting" inclusion according to somebody called Dan Bardell, although I don't know who he is
Dan is a podcaster/youtuber who does the odd bit of work on Sky Sports and Talk Sport.
Sanson at Right Back? Ha.
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It is amusing to read through the tweets about Sanson. He was going to be reincarnated as our right back, the tour was a final chance to prove himself, a new start, could thrive in the cups and the Conf League, and an "interesting" inclusion according to somebody called Dan Bardell, although I don't know who he is
Dan is a podcaster/youtuber who does the odd bit of work on Sky Sports and Talk Sport.
Sanson at Right Back? Ha.
Ah cheers!
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Ffs.
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It is amusing to read through the tweets about Sanson. He was going to be reincarnated as our right back, the tour was a final chance to prove himself, a new start, could thrive in the cups and the Conf League, and an "interesting" inclusion according to somebody called Dan Bardell, although I don't know who he is
Dan is a podcaster/youtuber who does the odd bit of work on Sky Sports and Talk Sport.
Sanson at Right Back? Ha.
Yes, we see his face on the telly and see his posts on twitter, but do we really know Dan? What makes him tick, what drives him to be the best Dan Bardell he can be?
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It is amusing to read through the tweets about Sanson. He was going to be reincarnated as our right back, the tour was a final chance to prove himself, a new start, could thrive in the cups and the Conf League, and an "interesting" inclusion according to somebody called Dan Bardell, although I don't know who he is
Dan is a podcaster/youtuber who does the odd bit of work on Sky Sports and Talk Sport.
Sanson at Right Back? Ha.
Yes, we see his face on the telly and see his posts on twitter, but do we really know Dan? What makes him tick, what drives him to be the best Dan Bardell he can be?
The best version of himself...
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Being reported that he's going to Nice on a loan with an option to buy.
After a seemingly successful loan, why can't we get a fee for this bloke?
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Can anyone explain why he went to the US ? what a waste of a seat
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Can anyone explain why he went to the US ? what a waste of a seat
Another friendly face to help Diaby with his integration into the squad?
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Can anyone explain why he went to the US ? what a waste of a seat
Another friendly face to help Diaby with his integration into the squad?
He even messed that up, looked like he more or less blanked him
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Being reported that he's going to Nice on a loan with an option to buy.
After a seemingly successful loan, why can't we get a fee for this bloke?
Dan Bardell is signing for Nice?!
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Can anyone explain why he went to the US ? what a waste of a seat
It's a good negotiating tactic. Putting him in the shop window etc If we'd left him at home any clubs looking at him would know for sure they could get him for nothing.
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We’re delighted to welcome Sky Sports journalist Dan Bardell as our exclusive Aston Villa columnist each week he’ll be giving his views on the biggest talking points at the club…
Aston Villa youth star Kadan Young’s impressive pre-season so far has set him up for first team action next season, according to Dan Bardell.
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Being reported that he's going to Nice on a loan with an option to buy.
After a seemingly successful loan, why can't we get a fee for this bloke?
This is the downside of being a PL side who can throw wages at players from big teams in other countries. At the time we bought Sanson we were consolidating as a team in the top flight. Sanson had played in the Champions League with Marseille.
Now that we are happy to move him on, his lack of playing time in the past two years mean that his wages are unattractive to anyone wishing to sign him.
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Being reported that he's going to Nice on a loan with an option to buy.
After a seemingly successful loan, why can't we get a fee for this bloke?
This is the downside of being a PL side who can throw wages at players from big teams in other countries. At the time we bought Sanson we were consolidating as a team in the top flight. Sanson had played in the Champions League with Marseille.
Now that we are happy to move him on, his lack of playing time in the past two years mean that his wages are unattractive to anyone wishing to sign him.
Plus outside of England and the very biggest European teams nobody has a pot to piss in.
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Being reported that he's going to Nice on a loan with an option to buy.
After a seemingly successful loan, why can't we get a fee for this bloke?
This is the downside of being a PL side who can throw wages at players from big teams in other countries. At the time we bought Sanson we were consolidating as a team in the top flight. Sanson had played in the Champions League with Marseille.
Now that we are happy to move him on, his lack of playing time in the past two years mean that his wages are unattractive to anyone wishing to sign him.
Plus outside of England and the very biggest European teams nobody has a pot to piss in.
Saudi Arabia would like to be noticed for their giant urn for that very purpose.
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Being reported that he's going to Nice on a loan with an option to buy.
After a seemingly successful loan, why can't we get a fee for this bloke?
Yes, this is plastered over French sports sites now. I did see some random French OM fan on Twitter mention this earlier this morning but I thought he was talking about Gameiro. I'm bored.
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Being reported that he's going to Nice on a loan with an option to buy.
After a seemingly successful loan, why can't we get a fee for this bloke?
The reports a few weeks ago said that Strasbourg wanted to make it permanent, and that Lille were also interested. It's weird but must be OK for the club if we've allowed it to happen.
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If, as seems likely, he is about to move, then it would be good to get a fee for him, though I imagine even a loan will attract a fee - perhaps linked to an option to buy. UTV
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Gone to Nice on loan.
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ITSOTPDA
https://twitter.com/ogcnice/status/1683582885511430149?t=1-lXn0EqBza5JDohOPjX2w&s=19
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The poor bloke probably doesn’t know if he’s having a shit or a haircut. Why fly him a round the world just to send him back?
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The poor bloke probably doesn’t know if he’s having a shit or a haircut. Why fly him a round the world just to send him back?
Delilah cut his hair but, God bless him, it grew back.
It's the way he kicked the water bottle at Gerrard was the issue he didn't know his own strength.
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The poor bloke probably doesn’t know if he’s having a shit or a haircut. Why fly him a round the world just to send him back?
Maybe he needed the Air Miles
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The poor bloke probably doesn’t know if he’s having a shit or a haircut. Why fly him a round the world just to send him back?
Delilah cut his hair but, God bless him, it grew back.
It's the way he kicked the water bottle at Gerrard was the issue he didn't know his own strength.
QI Klaxon
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Pack his Morgan Samsonite suitcases and go!
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Hey, don't bully him Footy. He has more talent in his little toe than "Cashy" and Konsa have in their combined bodies >:(
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The poor bloke probably doesn’t know if he’s having a shit or a haircut. Why fly him a round the world just to send him back?
Makes you wonder if the Saudi/Diaby stuff was true. We weren't sure we were actually going to get him so Sanson was brought out with the squad just in case. By all accounts we could have shipped him out a few weeks ago to Lille or Strasbourg.
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It feels like he's been treated pretty shabbily by the club at times.
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How many prem starts as he had for us ? Based on what I've seen he's not good enough but not sure he had many chances
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Students of language may appreciate the way in which Pravda has used dynamic modality to avoid the NP/NS dilemma in the Subject Predicate Relationship*:
"Aston Villa can confirm that Morgan Sanson has completed a season-long loan move to OGC Nice.
The midfielder returns to his native France having spent the latter part of last term with Strasbourg."
Sanson joined Villa in January 2021 from Marseille and has made 23 appearance in claret and blue, scoring his first goal for the club against Stevenage in the FA Cup last season. "
I also note that it is written in a neutral and unemotional 'Thank fuck he's out of here' manner. They might as well have written "Taraabit!" or "See ya!"
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/24/Sanson-departs-on-loan/
* the old 'Aston Villa are' or 'Aston Villa is. argument.
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It's unfortunate that we couldn't have gained a fee and made it a permanent transfer, in both our interest and that of the player.
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It feels like he's been treated pretty shabbily by the club at times.
That's how I feel.
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Is he married or does he have kids? Seems an awful uncertain way to be living, even just for him. He's in Birmingham, then Strasbourg for a few months, then back to Birmingham and dragged off to the US for 5 minutes, then off to Nice for 9 or 10 months and who knows after that.
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I have read* that he is said to a pain in the arse to manage and has gone through three different agents because of this.
*Random French people on 'Ligue 1 Twitter'.
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Nice are owned by Ineos and have a bit of dough, so you'd have thought they'd have been able to buy him.
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It feels like he's been treated pretty shabbily by the club at times.
Really? I’d presume he has been paid every month and he has been allowed to go back to France on loan last season and this is done for this season pretty early. As for going to USA we don’t know that the deal was finalised before they flew out, sure we wanted to maximise loan fee and any option/obligation at end of it.
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No wonder the poor fucker was wiping the pattern off of his plate the other day, the poor sod didn't know when he was going to eat again! The shortest conversation in history: Samson/Diaby, Bonjour, Au revoir.
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Eastiemode/ Married with three kids. Eastiemode */
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It has been a very strange signing, I can only surmise that he is not easy to work with because he looks like he has plenty of ability.
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don't think we've seen much ability either . Simply not good enough for the Prem. Playing in France is a lot easier where you get time on the ball to make sure your hairs ok before playing a pass.
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don't think we've seen much ability either . Simply not good enough for the Prem. Playing in France is a lot easier where you get time on the ball to make sure your hairs ok, drink a coffee and smoke two Gitanes before playing a pass.
Fixed that for you.
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don't think we've seen much ability either . Simply not good enough for the Prem. Playing in France is a lot easier where you get time on the ball to make sure your hairs ok, set fire to a few cars, go on strike, drink a coffee and smoke two Gitanes before playing a pass.
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you.
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don't think we've seen much ability either . Simply not good enough for the Prem. Playing in France is a lot easier where you get time on the ball to make sure your hairs ok, set fire to a few cars, go on strike, drink a coffee and smoke two Gitanes and shout 'Zut alors!' at a teammate before playing a pass.
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you
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Excellent :-)
Anyway, my thoughts yesterday watching Tielemans in the pre-season game was that he looks very similar to Sanson, just instantly much, much better. It all looked effortless for Tielemans in comparison.
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don't think we've seen much ability either . Simply not good enough for the Prem. Playing in France is a lot easier where you get time on the ball to make sure your hairs ok, set fire to a few cars, go on strike, have a quick two-hour lunch, drink a coffee and smoke two Gitanes and shout 'Zut alors!' to a teammate before playing a pass.
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you
Fixed that for you.
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Couldn't we just release him?
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no point, may as well get someone else to pay his wages
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He didn’t like Gerrard…
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/the-problem-is-that-steven-gerrard-arrived-not-unai-emery-morgan-sanson-opens-up-on-torrid-aston-villa-spell/ (https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/the-problem-is-that-steven-gerrard-arrived-not-unai-emery-morgan-sanson-opens-up-on-torrid-aston-villa-spell/)
“…Sanson has almost fulfilled the conditions to make the loan permanent. In the event that Sanson makes 17 or more starts in Ligue 1 and Les Aiglons finish 8th or higher in the league, the option becomes an obligation.”
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...later describing Gerrard as "une tête de merde avec de mauvais cheveux".
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He didn’t like Gerrard…
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/the-problem-is-that-steven-gerrard-arrived-not-unai-emery-morgan-sanson-opens-up-on-torrid-aston-villa-spell/ (https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/the-problem-is-that-steven-gerrard-arrived-not-unai-emery-morgan-sanson-opens-up-on-torrid-aston-villa-spell/)
“…Sanson has almost fulfilled the conditions to make the loan permanent. In the event that Sanson makes 17 or more starts in Ligue 1 and Les Aiglons finish 8th or higher in the league, the option becomes an obligation.”
Thats fair enough, we didn't like Gerrard either. But I'm not sure Morgan does himself any good there, if Emery really asked him to stay, why wouldn't you do that? Most of me thinks, yeah, bad egg, get rid.
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He didn’t like Gerrard…
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/the-problem-is-that-steven-gerrard-arrived-not-unai-emery-morgan-sanson-opens-up-on-torrid-aston-villa-spell/ (https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/the-problem-is-that-steven-gerrard-arrived-not-unai-emery-morgan-sanson-opens-up-on-torrid-aston-villa-spell/)
“…Sanson has almost fulfilled the conditions to make the loan permanent. In the event that Sanson makes 17 or more starts in Ligue 1 and Les Aiglons finish 8th or higher in the league, the option becomes an obligation.”
Thats fair enough, we didn't like Gerrard either. But I'm not sure Morgan does himself any good there, if Emery really asked him to stay, why wouldn't you do that? Most of me thinks, yeah, bad egg, get rid.
His heart may have been pulling him back to France after such a bad experience here. Once you've made your mind up it is hard to be persuaded. Good luck to him
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He didn’t like Gerrard…
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/the-problem-is-that-steven-gerrard-arrived-not-unai-emery-morgan-sanson-opens-up-on-torrid-aston-villa-spell/ (https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2024/the-problem-is-that-steven-gerrard-arrived-not-unai-emery-morgan-sanson-opens-up-on-torrid-aston-villa-spell/)
“…Sanson has almost fulfilled the conditions to make the loan permanent. In the event that Sanson makes 17 or more starts in Ligue 1 and Les Aiglons finish 8th or higher in the league, the option becomes an obligation.”
Thats fair enough, we didn't like Gerrard either. But I'm not sure Morgan does himself any good there, if Emery really asked him to stay, why wouldn't you do that? Most of me thinks, yeah, bad egg, get rid.
It's always easy to blame someone else. Lots of players struggled badly under Gerrard like Bailey and have thrived since. Sanson is a talented player but ultimately was a big flop. Don't think he had the athleticism for "our league" really. If Emery had truly wanted him, and he applied himself over pre season, ironically enough he could have got lots of minutes for us this season with likes of Ramsey injured and the extra Euro games.