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Title: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 30, 2020, 12:11:43 AM
I've recently read the concerning news at Newcastle Utd. They have had to cancel training with match against Aston Villa in doubt amid Covid-19 fears.

"Newcastle United were forced to abandon plans to stage a first-team training session on Sunday amid fears they are in the grip of a coronavirus outbreak. Two more players have tested positive over the weekend, meaning five members of the first-team bubble Ė understood to be four players and one member of staff Ė are now self-isolating.

The situation has prompted another round of testing, with Steve Bruce waiting anxiously on the results as the clubís training ground is deep-cleaned. Already preparations for Friday nightís trip to Aston Villa have been disrupted and there now has to be some degree of doubt as to whether that Premier League fixture will take place."


Its really a reminder of the difficulties of continuing sports when covid 19 is around.
Particularly in tier 3 areas
And they expect teams to travel around and fulfil fixtures.
Don't know what to think as all this football goes on with all the suffering around.
Impacting football and players and Aston Villa season 
Sometimes I think maybe they should have just cancel this 20/21 season  completely
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle pre-match thread
Post by: Astnor on November 30, 2020, 10:40:00 AM
I did read somewhere that (new) infected cases where down 30% after lockdown in UK. Here in Norway its been going down last few days, they think we are over the top in this second wave. Some days ago I did reflect on the posibilities of the whole season being abadoned cause of Covid, that dosent seem so much a possibility now. Not much chance Newcastle will get our match cancelled, allready been matches going trough when several palyers been out cause of selfisolation (Liverpool fx).
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle pre-match thread
Post by: OCD on November 30, 2020, 11:29:16 AM
If a game is forfeit, isn't it recorded as an 8-0 defeat or something like that?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle pre-match thread
Post by: Astnor on November 30, 2020, 11:41:43 AM
https://www.themag.co.uk/2020/11/will-aston-villa-v-newcastle-united-be-postponed-this-is-how-many-positive-cases-are-needed/
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle pre-match thread
Post by: OCD on November 30, 2020, 12:11:14 PM
I would rather see us beat them convincingly the traditional way anyway.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle pre-match thread
Post by: sickbeggar on November 30, 2020, 12:17:44 PM
Has to go ahead then by the looks of it. Although technically, Nan's Hair's anti-football could already be classed as a threat to public health. Being in lockdown/Tier3 has some silver-lining at least for season ticket holders.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle pre-match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 30, 2020, 01:22:52 PM
Have we actually had any postive cases in the squad since resumption?

Seems we've surprisingly got off lightly compared to majority of clubs so far unless we've just not released details to the press.

West Brom seem to have had 5-6 of their squad out at various points in last three weeks.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle pre-match thread
Post by: algy on November 30, 2020, 02:27:23 PM
Well that's just screwed over the smaller clubs even more.

Carabao Cup: Tottenham handed bye into fourth round after Leyton Orient tie called off - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54295512

I think there's a genuine risk now that clubs try to hide covid cases amongst their players if they get penalised for doing the right thing.
Interested to see if the same rules will apply to Newcastle if they have to call it off.

If we don't get awarded the win, Leyton Orient would have a very good case for saying that they've been severely wronged.

If we do get awarded the win, then for us goal difference will cease to matter.  Suppose they did award the tie 8-0 to us ... if we missed out on champions league football by a 1 or 2 goal difference, we could realistically argue that had we played Newcastle's youth team with our fully fit first team, we might well have beaten them 11-0.

The FA have placed themselves in a very awkward position IMO.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle pre-match thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 30, 2020, 02:49:37 PM
Have we actually had any postive cases in the squad since resumption?

Seems we've surprisingly got off lightly compared to majority of clubs so far unless we've just not released details to the press.

Ffs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle pre-match thread
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 30, 2020, 02:53:02 PM
Well that's just screwed over the smaller clubs even more.

Carabao Cup: Tottenham handed bye into fourth round after Leyton Orient tie called off - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54295512

I think there's a genuine risk now that clubs try to hide covid cases amongst their players if they get penalised for doing the right thing.
Interested to see if the same rules will apply to Newcastle if they have to call it off.

If we don't get awarded the win, Leyton Orient would have a very good case for saying that they've been severely wronged.

If we do get awarded the win, then for us goal difference will cease to matter.  Suppose they did award the tie 8-0 to us ... if we missed out on champions league football by a 1 or 2 goal difference, we could realistically argue that had we played Newcastle's youth team with our fully fit first team, we might well have beaten them 11-0.

The FA have placed themselves in a very awkward position IMO.

They would probably say they had no choice with the Orient game because they couldn't fit it in anywhere else. With League games there is ample opportunity to play later in the season, this has already been done with some lower league games (Oxford v Swindon, off the top of my head). So I suspect the game would be postponed rather than forfeited. That said, I'm not sure why the league couldn't say Newcastle have to play some of their kids if they don't have enough first team players. Middlesbrough were, famously, deducted points for refusing to play the kids when they had lots of players out through illness.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 01, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
No messing about with this one. No VAR controversies. No missed sitters, missed penalties or sloppy defending.

Newcastle are like a piece of chewing gum that you've had in your mouth for way too long. They're flavourless and hard work.

Villa will score first and will win 2-0. No excuses.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 01, 2020, 12:27:56 PM
Quote
ChronicleLive (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-covid-postpone-aston-villa-19377035) understands there is no set number of confirmed Covid cases that the Magpies would need to record before appealing to rearrange the fixture.

Requests for postponement are considered on a case-by-case basis by the Premier League, and there is no official deadline for United to lodge an appeal by. Any decision would be made by the Premier League's board.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 01, 2020, 12:28:30 PM
Itís quite important we win this game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 01, 2020, 12:56:37 PM
Guardian is reporting that Newcastle's training ground is closed until Wednesday at the earliest due to extra Covid cases over the weekend. Bruce wants a postponement as he feels that lack of training will risk injuries in the game.

Could be down to the Premier League to decide.....
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: eamonn on December 01, 2020, 01:22:52 PM
Well, they haven't played since last Friday night. Presumably our squad are resting today meaning we'll only have tomorrow and Thursday to prepare.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: sickbeggar on December 01, 2020, 01:52:22 PM
This games worries me now after our failure against the awful awful west ham. A side who probably won't have any attacking intentions with the north-east's version of Moyes in charge, and our capacity to allow even the most toothless of opposition a 2 or three goal allowance per game. 1-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2020, 02:10:53 PM
This games worries me now after our failure against the awful awful west ham. A side who probably won't have any attacking intentions with the north-east's version of Moyes in charge, and our capacity to allow even the most toothless of opposition a 2 or three goal allowance per game. 1-1

We easily beat them last season at VP, should've scored 4 or 5 that night. They'll play 5 at the back like West Ham did and we had no issues cutting through and creating chances last night, just have to be more clinical like in the Liverpool and Arsenal games.

Increasingly get the feeling this will be P-P though. They've apparently requested to league to postpone now as their training ground is closed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: Dave P on December 01, 2020, 02:28:34 PM
It's very likely to be postponed and I think that is the correct decision.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: eamonn on December 01, 2020, 02:40:42 PM
We'll have two games in hand on the rest of the league til the new year in that case. Has the Man Citeh game been rescheduled? We'll probably end up playing them twice in a row, home and away in the league, ugh.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 01, 2020, 02:45:36 PM
Our inability to defend will cost us again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 01, 2020, 02:57:48 PM
Rules that the clubs agreed to were that as long as you can field 14 players then it should go ahead. (in this article)

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league-coronavirus-rules-covid-19-test-positive-man-city-aymeric-laporte-riyad-mahrez-634281

Burton albion had 6 positive cases and 6 isolating and were made to play v Hull
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2020, 03:01:52 PM
We'll have two games in hand on the rest of the league til the new year in that case. Has the Man Citeh game been rescheduled? We'll probably end up playing them twice in a row, home and away in the league, ugh.

League is waiting until Aguero has scored 10 goals in his last 5 games before they decide a date!

I think we'd get a result v Man. City if we could play them now but they've probably be on 6-7 match winning streak around February when it's likely to be played.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: Tuscans on December 01, 2020, 03:09:37 PM
Didn't Spartak have 13 odd players out with Covid 19 against Real and still played the game, and beat them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: pooligan on December 01, 2020, 03:16:18 PM
I read somewhere that if a team have 14 players available then the game will go ahead. This is the Villa though,so they are bound to change the rules and call it off
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2020, 03:35:45 PM
Another round of testing tomorrow afternoon by what I've just heard so final decision will be made after that.

I presume they've already had some of the 4 players isolating for more than a week so you could play it next Wednesday perhaps, get those 4 out there with a few reserves.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 01, 2020, 03:58:00 PM
Didn't Spartak have 13 odd players out with Covid 19 against Real and still played the game, and beat them.

It was Shakhtar Donetsk. They certainly had a few out and ended up playing their 3rd/4th choice keeper and had their former keeper and now goalie coach named as a sub I think.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: OCD on December 01, 2020, 04:06:36 PM
These are the lengths that teams will go to now to not have to play us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on December 01, 2020, 04:08:23 PM
Sky app now reporting itís likely to be cancelled.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 01, 2020, 04:16:44 PM
Chronicle still saying as of 3.24 this afternoon there's been no formal request made by Newcastle for a cancellation.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: Richard E on December 01, 2020, 04:31:34 PM
Chronicle still saying as of 3.24 this afternoon there's been no formal request made by Newcastle for a cancellation.

That's oddly specific.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 01, 2020, 04:42:06 PM
officially off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2020, 04:48:18 PM
Was always likely after the training ground got closed.

Frustrating but I can understand it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 01, 2020, 04:49:12 PM
Was always likely after the training ground got closed.

Frustrating but I can understand it.

I'll go along with that. I can see a few more games going the same way now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: PeterWithe on December 01, 2020, 04:49:33 PM
I could have sworn I'd read they would forfeit the game 3.0 if they couldn't fulfill it and could raise at least 14 players who had played a minute of senior football.

Still, only a game..
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: Richard E on December 01, 2020, 04:50:46 PM
At least it means there's no risk of a Friday night defeat ruining all of our weekends.

Not that there was much risk of that anyway.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: pooligan on December 01, 2020, 04:51:38 PM
As i suggested earlier ,they have changed the rules and now have called it off , After a great start to the season ,everything seems to be going wrong 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 01, 2020, 04:51:59 PM
I could have sworn I'd read they would forfeit the game 3.0 if they couldn't fulfill it and could raise at least 14 players who had played a minute of senior football.

Still, only a game..

Correct. Spurs got put through in the cup cause leyton orient couldnt play. Shaktar had to play Madrid with a ton missing.
Would other clubs be so supportive with us if we were requesting it?

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread
Post by: andyh on December 01, 2020, 04:53:16 PM
Not entirely sure how I feel about this.

If a lesser team (orient) canít fulfil a game they forfeit it, but a premier league team gets a postponement !

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: PeterWithe on December 01, 2020, 04:56:41 PM
Now on BBC
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2020, 04:57:14 PM
Not entirely sure how I feel about this.

If a lesser team (orient) canít fulfil a game they forfeit it, but a premier league team gets a postponement !



Was only the cup. Orient played a couple of postponed league games a few weeks later.

Due course is interesting but really I can't see where this game gets fitted in near future as Newcastle still in league cup and we play Burnley in mid week in two weeks time.

Little chance of it being re-arranged for next week given today's news. This isn't really the season to be having 2-3 games in hand given how packed the schedule is and how tight mid table is so we risk losing further ground.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: eamonn on December 01, 2020, 04:57:29 PM
If it was our squad hit by it, we would feel very hard done by if a 0-3 forfeit was granted or the game forced to go ahead.

I think last night would have taken a lot out of us physically, hopefully we can reschedule it on an FA Cup weekend after both teams are (not hopefully but inevitably) knocked-out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Richard E on December 01, 2020, 04:57:44 PM
Newcastle just postponing their inevitable defeat. Give us the points! We were going to win anyway. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 01, 2020, 04:59:02 PM
Seems fair enough tbh. Sounds like Villa agreed to it judging by the message on their OS. Gives Barkley more time to recover.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: PeterWithe on December 01, 2020, 04:59:23 PM
If it was our squad hit by it, we would feel very hard done by if a 0-3 forfeit was granted or the game forced to go ahead.

I think last night would have taken a lot out of us physically, hopefully we can reschedule it on an FA Cup weekend after both teams are (not hopefully but inevitably) knocked-out.

We would, but those were the rules as we understood them when the league kicked off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2020, 05:00:03 PM
If it was our squad hit by it, we would feel very hard done by if a 0-3 forfeit was granted or the game forced to go ahead.

I think last night would have taken a lot out of us physically, hopefully we can reschedule it on an FA Cup weekend after both teams are (not hopefully but inevitably) knocked-out.

Another way of looking at it, Newcastle play and another of their players has it undetected and spreads it to some of ours. We then have to play Burnley and West brom in two weeks time with potentially 4-5 regulars missing which wouldn't be ideal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: andyh on December 01, 2020, 05:02:02 PM
How would it be undetected?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: PeterWithe on December 01, 2020, 05:02:37 PM
Yup all for the best, I just think its was unfair on others having to play with affected squads.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2020, 05:09:09 PM
How would it be undetected?


They test on the day of the game I think so I probably went OTT there.

Meant more to say like Eamonn did if we had an outbreak in squad we'd want game off rather than having to throw half a youth team in on minimal training together.

It's the right decision even if in the short term it complicates things for us just a little more.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Drummond on December 01, 2020, 05:12:38 PM
Public Health England have closed their training ground. They can't train safely.

If we were to trey and insist on continuing we'd rightly be seen as a bunch of bastards. This is putting the safety of all concerned first, which is exactly the right thing to do. It's a shame, and means we'll have another game to catch up, however, perhaps we'll be able to strengthen in January before we do, or that Wesley will be back along with others and we'll be better for it.

There's clearly an issue up there, though it's impossible to know exactly how it happened. If this was us, I'd like to think everyone would be supportive. Our statement is what I'd expect it to be. We are a class-act.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 01, 2020, 05:30:37 PM
Good for both.  Means Ross might be back and only miss the one game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: chrisw1 on December 01, 2020, 05:52:22 PM
Would have been good to play a weakened team, but still under the circumstances I think it's reasonably.

Stuffs up my fantasy team though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on December 01, 2020, 05:59:03 PM
Shame, but we can play it in March or April along with the Man shitty game and field our two new £40m signings ;)
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: pooligan on December 01, 2020, 06:08:45 PM
I  am starting to come to to the same conclusion of a lot of our fans on social media that Newcastle  should of either been made to play or forfeit the game They are the only team to fail to stop the virus on a  big scale .In this shortened season we now have to somehow fit in two matches ,they are already struggling to rearrange the Man City game as it is .
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Drummond on December 01, 2020, 06:12:30 PM
I  am starting to come to to the same conclusion of a lot of our fans on social media that Newcastle  should of either been made to play or forfeit the game They are the only team to fail to stop the virus on a  big scale .In this shortened season we now have to somehow fit in two matches ,they are already struggling to rearrange the Man City game as it is .

Or they could have been unlucky. How can you make them play when you don't know who has or hasn't got the virus? I'm surprised they haven't all been told to isolate for 14 days to be honest.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 01, 2020, 06:23:33 PM
It is what it is. Nothing to get angry about here I don't think.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: andyh on December 01, 2020, 06:24:37 PM
We could be well ensconced in the bottom half of the table before our next game, Wolves away, a very, very difficult game.
Losing too many games, albeit playing well, is going to haunt us going into the Christmas period.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: stubbsyandy on December 01, 2020, 06:35:08 PM
Great response by the club, fully supporting with no moaning..it is what it is , stay safe! Weíll be fine, we are becoming a decent team.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 01, 2020, 06:43:19 PM
Newcastle should be made to forfeit this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 01, 2020, 06:43:46 PM
it's certainly the right thing to do - no point in risk.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: OCD on December 01, 2020, 06:51:24 PM
They're lucky it's us they were due to play and not one of the teams that has European fixtures. It should be relatively straight forward to re-arrange for both. It sets a precedent now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: lovejoy on December 01, 2020, 07:52:39 PM
How many players are out and how big is their squad? Do they have 14 left?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 01, 2020, 07:53:54 PM
We could be well ensconced in the bottom half of the table before our next game, Wolves away, a very, very difficult game.
Losing too many games, albeit playing well, is going to haunt us going into the Christmas period.
Agree , we have been chucking away points and now we are games behind.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 01, 2020, 08:04:33 PM
Donít disagree with the decision, but weíre going to hit a horrible fixture list at some point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 01, 2020, 08:06:59 PM
Newcastle should be made to forfeit this.

Why? Seems a ridiculous stance to take in the context of a pandemic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: spangley1812 on December 01, 2020, 08:25:04 PM
Serious questions need to be asked of Newcastle as to how 10 members of staff have tested positive, there protocols have failed big time
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 01, 2020, 08:28:06 PM
I  am starting to come to to the same conclusion of a lot of our fans on social media that Newcastle  should of either been made to play or forfeit the game They are the only team to fail to stop the virus on a  big scale .In this shortened season we now have to somehow fit in two matches ,they are already struggling to rearrange the Man City game as it is .

They are the only team so far, Iím sure it will happen to others maybe even villa. Itís the right decision and then being made to forfeit would be overly harsh. I would much rather beat them Fair and square  when we get to play them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 01, 2020, 08:39:02 PM
Apparently part of the issue was them coming down and staying overnight in hotel.

I know it's not ideal but couldn't they have just travelled down on the day especially given the late kick off. Many lower league teams do long distance trips on the day for midweek fixtures and plenty of them get a result.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 01, 2020, 09:19:18 PM
To say Newcastle should forfeit the points, be forced to play, or infer that they are to blame for this outbreak in their camp with not the slightest shred of evidence of neglect on their part is unfair and shows us in a bad light.

To argue over altering the timeframe of when three premier league points are allocated because of an event which has already claimed over one million lives is distasteful. 

Get well soon Newcastle.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 01, 2020, 09:27:22 PM
To say Newcastle should forfeit the points, be forced to play, or infer that they are to blame for this outbreak in their camp with not the slightest shred of evidence of neglect on their part is unfair and shows us in a bad light.

To argue over altering the timeframe of when three premier league points are allocated because of an event which has already claimed over one million lives is distasteful. 

Get well soon Newcastle.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 01, 2020, 09:52:20 PM
Suggestions clubs should be punished for Covid outbreaks.
I donít get the logic but maybe itís just me.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Rory on December 01, 2020, 10:53:52 PM
As a club, I think we've done the correct and dignified thing.

However, as someone who dislikes Newcastle anyway, my view is that either Newcastle or the PL have failed in their duty of care.

If this outbreak is beyond Newcastle's control then it is a failure of PL covid measures, meaning all PL fixtures are potentially unsafe and should not be played. As far as I'm concerned, this reasoning also applies if this is to be written off as a 'random' outbreak that could not be foreseen or mitigated against.

Otherwise it is the failure of Newcastle to adequately protect players from an illness that we have all been living with for 9 months, and they should take responsibility if they are unable to fulfill a fixture.

Just my own thoughts. As I said, I think Villa have made the right response and of course I wish everyone affected a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2020, 11:19:02 PM
I hope Bruce hasn't got it.  I don't like him as a manager all that much, but you'd think at his age and weight it would be bad news so I hope he's OK.  Villa have done the right thing here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: eamonn on December 02, 2020, 01:11:45 AM
Good point. Often annoyed me as Villa manager but he always comes across as a decent man.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: JD on December 02, 2020, 07:46:02 AM
To say Newcastle should forfeit the points, be forced to play, or infer that they are to blame for this outbreak in their camp with not the slightest shred of evidence of neglect on their part is unfair and shows us in a bad light.

To argue over altering the timeframe of when three premier league points are allocated because of an event which has already claimed over one million lives is distasteful. 

Get well soon Newcastle.

Seconded.

Thirded, well said Andy LITA
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: aj2k77 on December 02, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
So we've got an 11 day break now. I hate breaks after defeats.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Rory on December 02, 2020, 10:43:51 AM
So we've got an 11 day break now. I hate breaks after defeats.

Especially when the next game is against Wolves. There's something particularly depressing about playing them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: olaftab on December 02, 2020, 10:58:19 AM
The Toon fans are funny. A Geordie friend of mine messaged me to say that game should definitely go ahead if training ground is closed as it reduces the chances of Bruce  knocking even more footballing ability out of their squad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Mister E on December 02, 2020, 02:51:38 PM
The Toon fans are funny. A Geordie friend of mine messaged me to say that game should definitely go ahead if training ground is closed as it reduces the chances of Bruce  knocking even more footballing ability out of their squad.
Sounds more like a statement of fact than an attempt at humour!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: aj2k77 on December 02, 2020, 04:10:51 PM
So we've got an 11 day break now. I hate breaks after defeats.

Especially when the next game is against Wolves. There's something particularly depressing about playing them.

They've got Jimenez out injured. We may have Barkley back. Don't go gung-ho against them, go with the mindset of staying compact and an away point is a good result, they thrive on breakaways. Make them push the pace.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Rory on December 02, 2020, 04:20:49 PM
So we've got an 11 day break now. I hate breaks after defeats.

Especially when the next game is against Wolves. There's something particularly depressing about playing them.

They've got Jimenez out injured. We may have Barkley back. Don't go gung-ho against them, go with the mindset of staying compact and an away point is a good result, they thrive on breakaways. Make them push the pace.

Yeah, but we'll still be there, at their mustard-yellow subterranean shitshack.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: eamonn on December 02, 2020, 05:09:17 PM
Great expression!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Ads on December 02, 2020, 05:52:53 PM
Hopefully a game rearranged for late on in the season so as many of us on here as possible get to go.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Dave P on December 03, 2020, 12:34:29 PM
Hopefully a game rearranged for late on in the season so as many of us on here as possible get to go.

Do cabbages carry covid?  Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 03, 2020, 03:54:38 PM
So we've got an 11 day break now. I hate breaks after defeats.

Especially when the next game is against Wolves. There's something particularly depressing about playing them.

They've got Jimenez out injured. We may have Barkley back. Don't go gung-ho against them, go with the mindset of staying compact and an away point is a good result, they thrive on breakaways. Make them push the pace.

Yeah, but we'll still be there, at their mustard-yellow subterranean shitshack.

I always think of it as a decent away ground, probably helps I've seen live three different teams win there in last decade!

Much rather have more Molineux type grounds around within walking distance from the centre than god forsaken dumps like Reading miles out of town and soulless.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: The Fish on December 04, 2020, 10:53:59 AM
No great shock that ours is the club that have had the first proper 'outbreak'. Especially given the state of our training and medical facilities.

But maybe a break will let Bruce have enough time to 'dust ourselves down', 'roll up our sleeves', continue his 18 month long 'work in progress' and all the other bullshit excuses we've been hearing. Honestly, what a chancer this clown is.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 04, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
No great shock that ours is the club that have had the first proper 'outbreak'. Especially given the state of our training and medical facilities.

But maybe a break will let Bruce have enough time to 'dust ourselves down', 'roll up our sleeves', continue his 18 month long 'work in progress' and all the other bullshit excuses we've been hearing. Honestly, what a chancer this clown is.

Left here over 2 years ago. Post under other clubs managers.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 04, 2020, 11:42:07 AM
The Fish is a Geordie fan. No reason why he can't post in here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Drummond on December 04, 2020, 11:56:40 AM
No great shock that ours is the club that have had the first proper 'outbreak'. Especially given the state of our training and medical facilities.

But maybe a break will let Bruce have enough time to 'dust ourselves down', 'roll up our sleeves', continue his 18 month long 'work in progress' and all the other bullshit excuses we've been hearing. Honestly, what a chancer this clown is.

Has there ever been a manager so disliked by so many clubs' sets of fans?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 04, 2020, 12:12:48 PM
No great shock that ours is the club that have had the first proper 'outbreak'. Especially given the state of our training and medical facilities.

But maybe a break will let Bruce have enough time to 'dust ourselves down', 'roll up our sleeves', continue his 18 month long 'work in progress' and all the other bullshit excuses we've been hearing. Honestly, what a chancer this clown is.

Has there ever been a manager so disliked by so many clubs' sets of fans?
The Fish is a Geordie fan. No reason why he can't post in here.

Pulis for his `style` of football.
Colin Wanker for his `style` of football and being an all round twat.

P.S. I like other fans who come here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Duncan Shaw on December 04, 2020, 01:08:25 PM
Selfishly I'm a bit gutted as my wife is out tonight at her daughter's (support bubble innit) and I had the house and telly to myself and was looking forward to us putting the last two games behind us.  It's the right thing to do though, of course!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Dave P on December 04, 2020, 01:50:20 PM
No great shock that ours is the club that have had the first proper 'outbreak'. Especially given the state of our training and medical facilities.

But maybe a break will let Bruce have enough time to 'dust ourselves down', 'roll up our sleeves', continue his 18 month long 'work in progress' and all the other bullshit excuses we've been hearing. Honestly, what a chancer this clown is.

Has there ever been a manager so disliked by so many clubs' sets of fans?

Only the sets of fans that have endured him.  Newcastle don't deserve him, they are far far better than him but he still shithouses his way into decent jobs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2020, 02:02:05 PM
I heard that DOL is disliked by virtually everybody that meets him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: PeterWithe on December 04, 2020, 02:30:54 PM
I never disliked Bruce, rather the opposite, I was always a bit puzzled as to why he kept getting and keeping incredibly well paid jobs and being allowed to squander millions of pounds but he always struck me as an Honest John sort of bloke. We've had worse.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: The Fish on December 04, 2020, 02:33:37 PM
No great shock that ours is the club that have had the first proper 'outbreak'. Especially given the state of our training and medical facilities.

But maybe a break will let Bruce have enough time to 'dust ourselves down', 'roll up our sleeves', continue his 18 month long 'work in progress' and all the other bullshit excuses we've been hearing. Honestly, what a chancer this clown is.

Has there ever been a manager so disliked by so many clubs' sets of fans?
Handsome Pards?

Was Bruce's football as... disorganised at Villa as it is with us?

Thing is, we've probably got the best squad we've had since our last relegation and he inherited a really solid defence, but it's awful stuff.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 04, 2020, 03:49:55 PM
Bruce, Pardew, Hughes, Colin Wanker, Pulis, Holloway. With the possible exception of Colin, the others are probably decent enough people away from football.

Somebody just mentioned DOL, that shithouse is in a league of his own.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Gareth on December 04, 2020, 04:08:34 PM
No great shock that ours is the club that have had the first proper 'outbreak'. Especially given the state of our training and medical facilities.

But maybe a break will let Bruce have enough time to 'dust ourselves down', 'roll up our sleeves', continue his 18 month long 'work in progress' and all the other bullshit excuses we've been hearing. Honestly, what a chancer this clown is.

Has there ever been a manager so disliked by so many clubs' sets of fans?
The Fish is a Geordie fan. No reason why he can't post in here.

Pulis for his `style` of football.
Colin Wanker for his `style` of football and being an all round twat.

P.S. I like other fans who come here.

I quite like Colin - any manager who collects strikers as a hobby is good to me.

Plus when he was giving it to Nuno Mendes when he ran on pitch like David Pleat on acid rather than shaking his hand was very very funny
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2020, 04:16:05 PM
I never disliked Bruce, rather the opposite, I was always a bit puzzled as to why he kept getting and keeping incredibly well paid jobs and being allowed to squander millions of pounds but he always struck me as an Honest John sort of bloke. We've had worse.

Honest , Really?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Nev on December 04, 2020, 04:37:04 PM
I never disliked Bruce despite his association with Heath's both Newton and Small. He just comes across as an alright bloke, the less said about his managerial style the better really.

Pullis? Hated him since Pennant dived to win that free kick and turn the game 'round only for him to launch a campaign against diving a few weeks later. And he dresses like a 12 year old hanging about outside a Spa on Bonfire Night.

And as for Colin, where do you start? A bigoted old Brexit twat for a start and you know how angry we all feel about VAR? you can blame moany ****** like him for wanking on about decisions to cover up their own incompetence.

But I really dislike DOL.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Chris Smith on December 04, 2020, 04:59:37 PM
No great shock that ours is the club that have had the first proper 'outbreak'. Especially given the state of our training and medical facilities.

But maybe a break will let Bruce have enough time to 'dust ourselves down', 'roll up our sleeves', continue his 18 month long 'work in progress' and all the other bullshit excuses we've been hearing. Honestly, what a chancer this clown is.

Has there ever been a manager so disliked by so many clubs' sets of fans?
Handsome Pards?

Was Bruce's football as... disorganised at Villa as it is with us?

Thing is, we've probably got the best squad we've had since our last relegation and he inherited a really solid defence, but it's awful stuff.

When Bruce first arrived he actually improved our organisation from the slapdash efforts we saw under Di Matteo. Overall very mixed with some good performances mixed in with some absolute rubbish. I found no reason to dislike him as a bloke but he seemed to regularly get out thought by more progressive managers with less expensively assembled squads.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: john e on December 04, 2020, 05:37:19 PM
Lamberts not far behind being disliked by everyone wherever heís been

Ipswich fans hate him if twitters anything to go by
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: CT on December 04, 2020, 06:10:30 PM
Lamberts not far behind being disliked by everyone wherever heís been

Ipswich fans hate him if twitters anything to go by

He was getting pelters the other night. An Ipswich friend decided to unfollow me on Twitter after I told him a few home truths about TSM2, so I had to laugh when I saw him slagging off Lambert with a lot of expletives.

I didnít want to say I told you so, but....
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 04, 2020, 08:33:45 PM
He's going to be the most despised man in Norfolk soon.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: dave shelley on December 04, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
P.S. I like other fans who come here.

Me too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 04, 2020, 08:50:37 PM
Steve Bruce now just seems like one of those blokes who is well liked in an office but who is someone who no-one can figure out how he ended up doing a job so far beyond his capabilities.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 04, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
Me three.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 04, 2020, 10:34:20 PM
Me as well ....as long as thereíre not gits
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 04, 2020, 10:40:50 PM
Most of the fans of other clubs we have had on here have been decent sorts, with the exception of nearly all Small Heath fans who are always twats on here. Oh and one Liverpool fan on here was an absolute dick.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2020, 12:00:46 AM
No great shock that ours is the club that have had the first proper 'outbreak'. Especially given the state of our training and medical facilities.

But maybe a break will let Bruce have enough time to 'dust ourselves down', 'roll up our sleeves', continue his 18 month long 'work in progress' and all the other bullshit excuses we've been hearing. Honestly, what a chancer this clown is.

Has there ever been a manager so disliked by so many clubs' sets of fans?

Hull fans must like him for taking them to the cup final and getting them up twice. Sunderland fans can't stand him though and probably less if he can't actually relegate Newcastle.

Think SHA fans still have a respect for him although that lessened when he came here.

I'd say Pardew is probably most unpopular manager around, Newcastle fans hated him more than Bruce where it's more apathy as it was here when he managed us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: eamonn on December 05, 2020, 12:08:55 AM
He's going to be the most despised man in Norfolk soon.

You mean East Anglia ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 05, 2020, 12:13:17 AM
He's going to be the most despised man in Norfolk soon.

You mean East Anglia ?

Fucking hell. Yes. Where the hell did I get Norfolk from? But probably there too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 05, 2020, 12:14:32 AM
Now you've got Norfolk's maddest man!

To be fair, Norfolk already hated him for coming here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Clampy on December 05, 2020, 09:53:25 AM
Steve Bruce now just seems like one of those blokes who is well liked in an office but who is someone who no-one can figure out how he ended up doing a job so far beyond his capabilities.

A bit of an over the top analogy to be honest. He's done a reasonable job at most of the club's he's been at and besides, he's hardly been a flop.

I didn't mind him before he came here and I still don't now. He came in, failed to get us back up but that's it. I can't think of any reason to hate him personally.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 05, 2020, 09:57:55 AM
I never disliked Bruce despite his association with Heath's both Newton and Small. He just comes across as an alright bloke, the less said about his managerial style the better really.

Pullis? Hated him since Pennant dived to win that free kick and turn the game 'round only for him to launch a campaign against diving a few weeks later. And he dresses like a 12 year old hanging about outside a Spa on Bonfire Night.

And as for Colin, where do you start? A bigoted old Brexit twat for a start and you know how angry we all feel about VAR? you can blame moany ****** like him for wanking on about decisions to cover up their own incompetence.

But I really dislike DOL.

The best description on Tony Pulisí dress sense ever!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: FrankyH on December 05, 2020, 10:04:31 AM
Yes, that made me smile .
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: eamonn on December 05, 2020, 11:28:44 AM
I didn't geddit...outside a Spa ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 05, 2020, 11:51:44 AM
I didn't geddit...outside a Spa ?

Spar. A chain of grocery shops catering to the lower orders, m'lud.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Chris Smith on December 05, 2020, 11:52:11 AM
I didn't geddit...outside a Spa ?

Iím assuming Nev just missed the R off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: eamonn on December 05, 2020, 03:22:04 PM
Ha, I did wonder if that was it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 05, 2020, 03:59:39 PM
No great shock that ours is the club that have had the first proper 'outbreak'. Especially given the state of our training and medical facilities.

But maybe a break will let Bruce have enough time to 'dust ourselves down', 'roll up our sleeves', continue his 18 month long 'work in progress' and all the other bullshit excuses we've been hearing. Honestly, what a chancer this clown is.

Has there ever been a manager so disliked by so many clubs' sets of fans?


Hull fans must like him for taking them to the cup final and getting them up twice.
Sunderland fans can't stand him though and probably less if he can't actually relegate Newcastle.

Think SHA fans still have a respect for him although that lessened when he came here.

I'd say Pardew is probably most unpopular manager around, Newcastle fans hated him more than Bruce where it's more apathy as it was here when he managed us.

Hull fans were happy to see the back of him despite what he achieved there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Newcastle Utd pre-match thread (POSTPONED)
Post by: TonyD on December 05, 2020, 04:21:59 PM
MoN for me is the clear winner by quite some distance. 
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