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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Risso on December 01, 2020, 10:51:21 AM
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Who should be our regular penalty taker going forward? Most people like the forwards to do it, but apparently young Ollie's record from the spot is a bit shocking. I'd go with somebody who can combine power and precision, so either Jack or Douglas Luiz personally.
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In last night’s case it should’ve been Conor. But I think he had just been subbed.
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Jack. He's captain, and has sky-high confidence at the moment.
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Jack. He's captain, and has sky-high confidence at the moment.
I said the same last night before Ollie took his kick. Ollie took a big breath in and looked nervous. My lad said he would miss
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I know that Jack missed one at Sheff U last season but if he can flick the ball up over his head with this heel into his stride against Belgium then he can take penalties in the Premier League.
Ollie Watkins has missed way too many. Give Jack the job.
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I would give the penalty taking to either Grealish or Luis . The one player who should not take any more is Watkins He has now taken 6 in all for Brentford and Villa and missed 4 of them
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I like seeing strikers take on the responsibility and I wouldn't take it off Watkins after one miss. I think trying to put it in the top corner was trying to be overly clever. Hopefully he'll learn from it and improve.
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Jack. If not him then Sean Teale
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Having the confidence to take them is the biggest factor. For Watkins his is bound to have taken hit but self doubt appears to be an alien concept for Jack so let him take them.
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Doesn't matter. They'll still miss.
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Doesn't matter. They'll still miss.
What do you put that down to?
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I would give it Jack.
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Doesn't matter. They'll still miss.
What do you put that down to?
Being English.
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I like seeing strikers take on the responsibility and I wouldn't take it off Watkins after one miss. I think trying to put it in the top corner was trying to be overly clever. Hopefully he'll learn from it and improve.
Watkins has missed four of the six penalties he's taken in the league. You need somebody who knows they're going to smash them in 95% of the time.
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Who was the last really confident penalty taker we had who was actually our player (not on loan)? James Milner?
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I would choose Martinez. Be a laugh.
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How many has he missed for us?
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I would choose Martinez. Be a laugh.
if you're going down that route Trez might be better at the moment.
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If they’re on the pitch, Barkley or Traore.
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Doesn't matter. They'll still miss.
What do you put that down to?
Precedent and pessimism.
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Penalties were never a problem in the 90s and early 00s- Staunton, Yorke, Barry come to mind.
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Would put Jack back on them. I know he did a similar miss to Ollie away at Sheffield united but with the form he's in I'd back him to score most times.
Beyond that I think Luiz would be pretty good at them.
Not sure why our players are trying to be way too clever and trying to hit the top corner with them from the miss last night and Jack last season.
If this season has shown anything if you get it on target and it's saved there's a good chance it will be retaken. Looked like Fabianski was off his line when the ball was struck so all Ollie had to do was get it on target and at worst we'd have got another chance to score if he'd missed.
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I said Luiz on post match last night however Barkley should also be considered.
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I remember a season where we missed a fair few, iirc Merson, Hendrie and Dublin were among those missing them.
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Anyone else see Benrahma in Ollies ear just before the pen and then signalled to Keeper where he would put it - maybe last minute he changed his mind and then missed
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Penalties were never a problem in the 90s and early 00s- Staunton, Yorke, Barry come to mind.
Even then, I remember Barry doing one of the worst I've seen away at Reading in the early O'Neill days.
Memory probably makes things worse but it seemed to be heading off towards the corner flag.
And early 2000s - Angel at Fulham? Eesh.
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Penalties were never a problem in the 90s and early 00s- Staunton, Yorke, Barry come to mind.
Was a bit dodgy around the period Angel was taking them. He'd score a couple but then missed two v Fulham or that one at home to Spurs he skied miles over the bar.
Was great when Barry was taking them right up to Young leaving. Over about 6 seasons we must've got around 40 penalties and can only remember us missing about 5-6 in that time. Barry missed about one a season from the 7-8 he'd get and Milner was pretty good at them aswell. Young missed a few more but still would score 4-5.
Benteke and Tammy scored majority of ones aswell in more recent times. Problem is Watkins wasn't much good at them at Brentford apparently so not having that striker who's sure to score most of them means we have to look at one of the midfielders I think.
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I remember a season where we missed a fair few, iirc Merson, Hendrie and Dublin were among those missing them.
98/99? Alan Thompson was supposed to be a specialist.
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I remember a season where we missed a fair few, iirc Merson, Hendrie and Dublin were among those missing them.
98/99? Alan Thompson was supposed to be a specialist.
Scored a few at Bolton but he missed on his home debut v Boro which set the tone for his career here (also scored a good free kick in second half).
Hendrie scored a good one a few weeks later v Newcastle but for some reason he rarely took them for us. Next game actually was Merse's home debut v Wimbledon. We got one and Thompson again for some reason took it and hit it wide again. Then we got another a few minutes later and Merson missed but scored the rebound.
Get the feeling it's another unwanted top flight record we have of being one of the few teams to miss two penalties in more than one game!
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I didn't fancy Ollie when he was placing the ball but he hit it quite well, not well enough but quite well.
I'd give the next one to anyone who gave a cast iron guarantee, written in blood if necessary, not to do one of those ones where you jump up in the air before kicking it. Those look really daft.
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Who was the last really confident penalty taker we had who was actually our player (not on loan)? James Milner?
Ray Graydon.
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Did Garry Parker ever take any for us? He rarely seemed to miss when he moved to Leicester
Scored penalties v Bozzy and Oakes in 96/97 and 97/98, both at Villa Park.
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Who was the last really confident penalty taker we had who was actually our player (not on loan)? James Milner?
I'm sure he missed a couple, but I never thought that Benteke was going to miss.
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Who was the last really confident penalty taker we had who was actually our player (not on loan)? James Milner?
Ray Graydon.
He missed a few though. 75 LC cup final and 2 in the centenary Game against Leeds standout. Great player for us though particularly 74/75
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Barry didn’t miss many.
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David Unsworth was the best penalty taker we ever signed.
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Who was the last really confident penalty taker we had who was actually our player (not on loan)? James Milner?
I'm sure he missed a couple, but I never thought that Benteke was going to miss.
You're probably right although when I asked the question the player I had in mind Dean Saunders and not because he scored them all but because he didn't.
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Anyone else see Benrahma in Ollies ear just before the pen and then signalled to Keeper where he would put it - maybe last minute he changed his mind and then missed
If that's the case then he seems like a perfect West Ham signing as they seem - apart from maybe Rice - to be scummy cheating cloggers.
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Yeah, clocked that from Benrahma. Between that and the graphic popping up in the bottom corner showing Watkins had missed a lot of his recent efforts, I wasn't convinced at all he would score.
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any player who just puts the ball on the spot walks back to the edge of the box, runs up and puts his foot through it low and hard
That’s it it’s that simple
any player who dicks about trying to place it or pass it in ,does a hop skip and jump in the run up or anything pathetic to look good can fuck right off
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Julian Dicks was one of the best penalty takers I've ever seen. Every single one lashed with unstoppable force into the roof or side of the net. Don't think he ever missed one.
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Ray Stewart was good, Le Tissier and Van Nistelrooy too.
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Le Tiss scored 48/49 so that must be best record of anyone in last 30 years in top flight.
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Best penalty takers i have seen in all the years of watching Villa are Stan the Wham Lynn and Willie Anderson I don't recall either missing many if any at all
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Le Tiss scored 48/49 so that must be best record of anyone in last 30 years in top flight.
Good quiz question, who was the goalkeeper who spolied the record?
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Mark Crossley of Notts Forest
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Top Five penalty takers jn the Premier are Shearer with 55 second Lampard 43,Gerrard 32,Le Tissier 24 and Henry 22
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With V.A.R taking 5 minutes to confirm obvious penalties these days. I would choose experience. Ollie looked nervous with all the hanging around waiting. So Jack or Ross for me.
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Wesley took a couple for us last season.
Maybe Mings should be doing it.
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Right now it should be Jack.
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Mark Crossley of Notts Forest
Also saved from Lineker in 91 cup final although Dave Beasant was first keeper to save penalty in FA cup final I think three years before.
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Top Five penalty takers jn the Premier are Shearer with 55 second Lampard 43,Gerrard 32,Le Tissier 24 and Henry 22
Can remember Shearer missing loads. Sorensen saved one playing for us and also when he played for Sunderland.
With some of them it's longevity. You play in premier league for 15 seasons and your team gets 5 penalties a year and that's potentially 75 to score from.
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On penalty trivia, Max Kruse was on an unbroken streak of thirty or so without missing, stretching back nearly a decade until he missed last week in the Bundesliga. Would have been a new record if he'd scored.
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On penalty trivia, Max Kruse was on an unbroken streak of thirty or so without missing, stretching back nearly a decade until he missed last week in the Bundesliga. Would have been a new record if he'd scored.
I was just reading that a while ago, he left £60k of poker winnings in the back of a taxi. Which was careless.
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Let Trezeguet take them, Comedy gold as it hits the corner flag.
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Best penalty takers i have seen in all the years of watching Villa are Stan the Wham Lynn and Willie Anderson I don't recall either missing many if any at all
Willie Anderson missed at least one: skied well over the bar at Fellows Park on 2nd Jan, 1971 in a very wet 3-0 defeat to Walsall in Division Three.
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Ollie chose same side and almost same spot as comfortable pen score against Southampton, just a couple of inches higher, shame, but he did look nervous.
I’d give him another go, want my centre forward to have a chance of scoring each game. Otherwise grealish or Barklay as already said by others.
Or Phil King
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Haha i was at that game and had managed to erase that from my memory .Not sure if it is correct but he missed a pen on his debut for Villa .Also when we won the 3rd Division he is said to have converted 8 pens
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Jack should be taking them I think. Especially as Watkins had missed a sitter just before the penalty. After scoring against Southampton (with little or no pressure) I guess he was never not going to take it. Just didn't convince me beforehand and his technique was fairly horrible leaning back....always going to rise the ball then.
Barry and Yorke just seemed like certainties when they used take them. Milner too. Ashley Young missed a few I think, one at Arsenal famously...
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for me I would go with Doug for pennos. I honestly don't think Jack wants to take them.
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With V.A.R taking 5 minutes to confirm obvious penalties these days. I would choose experience. Ollie looked nervous with all the hanging around waiting. So Jack or Ross for me.
exactly. Saw his face when he was waiting to take it and the keeper was out to the spot and thought: ‘fk, he’s gonna miss this’
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When the captain throws you the ball though, what can you do? Grealish did it for the last one when he hadn’t scored for a while to get him a goal which I thought was a good move. I think they should wait to see if it goes to VAR before deciding.
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Barry didn’t miss many.
Remember that one he didn’t take but no one can remember why?
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Ray Stewart scored 76 penalties for Wet Spam.
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Robbie Keane was brilliant at them as well. Only remember him missing one for Ireland (Slovakia away under Trap).
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Francis Lee was good at getting them and scoring them.
In the 1971–72 season, Lee set a British record for the number of penalties scored in a season, with 15 of his 35 goals scored from the penalty spot. Many of the penalties resulted from fouls on Lee, earning him the nickname Lee One Pen. Some journalists, holding the opinion that Lee gained a number of penalties by diving, used the name Lee Won Pen instead. Lee's name is often cited in debates about diving in football; referees' chief Keith Hackett described him as a player who "had a reputation of falling down easily".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Lee_(footballer)
By 1975 he was at Derby winning them but Charlie George was scoring them.
Penalty 40 seconds into video here, thereafter he is in discussions with Norman Hunter.
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Top Five penalty takers jn the Premier are Shearer with 55 second Lampard 43,Gerrard 32,Le Tissier 24 and Henry 22
Actually they are the top scorers
The top 5 penalty takers statistically are
Yaya Toure 11/11
Dimitar Berbatov 9/9
Rickie Lambert 7/7
Jan Molby 7/7
*Garry Parker 6/6 *
Elano 6/6
Stephen Hunt 6/6
Clive WIlson 6/6
Graham Alexander 6/6
I learnt in a lockdown quiz that Yaya Toure was and is the best ever premier league penalty taker.
He had the best 100% record 11/11 !
I guessed Henry because I couldn't imagine the man missing one.
* Gary Parker i don't know him but he played for Villa under Ron Atkinson during start of Premier league season. Did he take any for Villa
Julian Dicks scored 15/15 in the Premier League.
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Best penalty takers i have seen in all the years of watching Villa are Stan the Wham Lynn and Willie Anderson I don't recall either missing many if any at all
Willie Anderson missed at least one: skied well over the bar at Fellows Park on 2nd Jan, 1971 in a very wet 3-0 defeat to Walsall in Division Three.
That Walsall game was my first away match and they murdered us. My recollection as a nipper was that he put it several yards wide and it hit the wall behind the goal.
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Top Five penalty takers jn the Premier are Shearer with 55 second Lampard 43,Gerrard 32,Le Tissier 24 and Henry 22
Actually they are the top scorers
The top 5 penalty takers statistically are
Yaya Toure 11/11
Dimitar Berbatov 9/9
Rickie Lambert 7/7
Jan Molby 7/7
*Garry Parker 6/6 *
Elano 6/6
Stephen Hunt 6/6
Clive WIlson 6/6
Graham Alexander 6/6
I learnt in a lockdown quiz that Yaya Toure was and is the best ever premier league penalty taker.
He had the best 100% record 11/11 !
I guessed Henry because I couldn't imagine the man missing one.
* Gary Parker i don't know him but he played for Villa under Ron Atkinson during start of Premier league season. Did he take any for Villa
Julian Dicks scored 15/15 in the Premier League.
Footy-Vill I am not angry with you.... just disappointed.
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Basic error, his body shape was wrong, leaning back, and is right knee was not over the ball so it had to go high.
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Looked like he kind of tried to side foot it into the top corner. As you say he looked to be leaning back a bit, didn’t get properly over it. To be fair, I probably wouldn’t have even hit the cross bar- was always shit at penalties. Plus I’d have been shitting it more. With the VAR delay I think they should decide who wants it only after it’s definitely been awarded. You might feel bang up for it 30 secs after it’s initially been given. But after 4 mins to think about it?
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Premier League:
Toure 11/11
Le Tiss 25/26
Danny Murphy 18/19
James Beattie 16/17
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The Southampton legend Matt Le Tissier has an incredible record and had a conversion rate of over 95%. He scored 48 penalties out of 49 taken and is regarded as the best penalty taker by current as well as past players.
Ricky Lambert scored 47 from 50 attempts; Shearer hit 56 from 62; Lampard 43 from 50; Gerrard 32 from 41.
Van Basten, Zlatan, C Ronaldo are also considered rather good too.
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In the title season, Sid took the pens. The odd one was missed/saved.
The previous season's spot-kicker was Allan Evans, who was a striker at Dunfirmline when signed. I don't recall Allan ever missing one. Am I right about this?
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I seem to remember being at a match he hit the post in, cant mind more than that Im afraid
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I reckon it'll be Jack taking the next penalty.
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Jack or Conor for me.
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I quite like the idea of having someone like Cash adopt a Pearce/Stewart/Dicks approach and put his laces through it.
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Looking back at the Albion penalties, Conor and Jack scoring easily are the only ones still here. It seems a lot more responsibility to lump penalties on Jack as well and Conor doesn’t always start.
I’d like to see Luiz given the job. Seems composed and strikes a great ball.
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In the title season, Sid took the pens. The odd one was missed/saved.
The previous season's spot-kicker was Allan Evans, who was a striker at Dunfirmline when signed. I don't recall Allan ever missing one. Am I right about this?
I think he missed one against Leeds and it ended 0-0. I'm not certain though.
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El Ghazi obviously 😉
I was bricking it when he stepped up but a v cool finish
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Interesting choice as someone who isn't a first choice starter.
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New rule. Only two subs allowed max if we need to bring AEG on for a penalty unless of course he’s already on.
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Perfect penalty.
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Interesting choice as someone who isn't a first choice starter.
I thought the same. AEG said it would be Jack, but Jack handed the ball to him as he takes a lot in training and is pretty accomplished at them.
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Why didn't Gareth Barry take it?
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He put it away nicely.
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He sure did.
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So I heard that Dean Smith said that AEG is the pen taker if he's on the pitch if not then its Jack Grealish.
AEG scored a good one today.
Loved it.
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I interested to know who will be taking Villas penalties on the regular and particularly today.
If AEG and Grealish aren't in the line up is Barkley the man ?
Douglas Luiz has to be another contender but I would think Watkins should be afforded the responsibility again as he's practiced to score
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Agree, Watkins should be the natural choice, but I hope he's been practising if it is.
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Martinez.
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Think I read somewhere Watkins had a pretty poor record for them at Brentford too? Great kid, great player, not so good from the spot. Try someone else.
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Hourihane.....oh.
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I reckon Traore would be good albeit flash.
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I'd let Targett take one.
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Phil King.
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Diana Ross.
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We don't really do penalties though, do we? So it's all a bit moot.
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So I was wondering actually who is our chief pen taker for this season 2021/22 under Gerrard
Ings if on pitch. Scored 10 Missed 3
Coutinho -record is excellent scored 11 missed zero ! Never taken in Prem though and no regular taker
Watkins reprieved? (Saying that due to his scored 1 missed 1 record for Villa) Scored 2 missed 4 is his overall record
Buendia record of only one pen which was last season and scored. And he scored v Chelsea in league Cup this season.
Who would be your choice? As no El Ghazi do we have someone so good?
Not many stand out choice
I probably go Ings or Coutinho then Watkins
Digne strikes a decent ball but no history of other than one pen scored back on 12/13
McGinn doesn't have much record -outside of penalty shoot outs
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We won’t get awarded another penalty this season, even if the ref gave one VAR would overrule it.
So moot point.
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Diana Ross.
Only after Phil King.
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Diana Ross.
Only after Phil King.
Anyone but Nakamba!
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We won’t get awarded another penalty this season, even if the ref gave one VAR would overrule it.
So moot point.
Well certainly feels like that!
But if one entered the spirit of the debate your favoured player would perhaps be...
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Coutinho. Excellent record as you highlight Footy, and probably the only forward player guaranteed a start at the moment. If not and if he's on the pitch, Ings.
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Have we had one since the opening day? Ing scored with last kick of the game at Watford so think if he's on the pitch he takes it just to get his goal tally up a bit before season is out.
Certainly Coutinho if he isn't on the pitch.
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Have we had one since the opening day? Ing scored with last kick of the game at Watford so think if he's on the pitch he takes it just to get his goal tally up a bit before season is out.
Certainly Coutinho if he isn't on the pitch.
Yeah we had one week after vs Newcastle and El Ghazi took it even though Ings was on the pitch and had scored the 1st with his overhead kick. It was a time when the set pieces were working!
We got the second when Mings was going to score a header but defender handballed it!
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I’d guess between Coutinho and Ings.
A bit of an outsider would be Ramsey. His goals this season have shown that he’s calm in front of goal with a terrific shot
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Digne
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Digne
Only ever taken one in his entire career, 9 years ago!
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Clubs like ours don't get given penalties so it's a bit of a moot point
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Have we had one since the opening day? Ing scored with last kick of the game at Watford so think if he's on the pitch he takes it just to get his goal tally up a bit before season is out.
Certainly Coutinho if he isn't on the pitch.
Home to Newcastle, when El Ghazi scored.
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The only penalties we seem to get are the punitive kind.
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Digne
Only ever taken one in his entire career, 9 years ago!
Well that's good, he'll be in form when we get our next one!
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Digne
Only ever taken one in his entire career, 9 years ago!
Well that's good, he'll be in form when we get our next one!
Not sure either of us will still be alive to see it!
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Digne
Good call, has a 100% record, never misses.
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Konsa took a really good one v Chelsea in the cup, slotted it into the top corner no problem.
When you see shoot outs like yesterday it shows teams have finally taken them seriously now in preparation instead of just saying it's a "lottery."
Would be a massive shame if we never get to a penalty shoot out with Emi in goal as you'd back him to save at least two no problem.
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The best penalty by miles that I've seen in a shoot out of late was the Middlesbrough defender, Sol Bamba. Couple of steps, great body shape, no hesitating or skipping bollocks, just hit it cleanly with his laces into the bottom corner, in the manner the subs do when they're knocking passes to each other at half time.
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A clear penalty will not be awarded to us at Citeh. It will go to VAR. They will look at 20 times and still not come to a conclusion. The referee will be asked to go the monitor. As the commentator will say, we all know what usually happens in these situations. Cue Darren England being only the 2nd referee in history to stay with his on field decision. Season over.