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Title: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 11:14:46 AM
Guess we should start one! Traore in - come on Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: devilla on November 01, 2020, 11:17:03 AM
I hope Barkley is fully fit. Great to see Traore starting.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2020, 11:17:42 AM
Let's see what Traore can properly do ... hope we don't miss Trez Bremner's energy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on November 01, 2020, 11:18:41 AM
Think Cash could be in for a busy afternoon if we don't get a proper grip in midfield.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 11:19:55 AM
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Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on November 01, 2020, 11:20:13 AM
Surprised to see Engels on the bench. Didn’t realise he was that close to fitness
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
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Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2020, 11:21:33 AM
Surprised to see Engels on the bench. Didn’t realise he was that close to fitness
He was also on on it for the DL game, I think.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 11:21:52 AM
Surprised to see Engels on the bench. Didn’t realise he was that close to fitness

Newsflash: he was sub for the last two matches!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on November 01, 2020, 11:21:57 AM
Just been told he was on the bench for Leeds. Oops
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 11:22:09 AM
Nice to see Redmond and Long on the bench! And hopefully, they stay there.

Come on Villa! Good luck Traore! Do us proud!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 01, 2020, 11:22:35 AM
Walcott one of those world beaters when he plays against us.  You know the ones we’ve had over the years.  See David White.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 11:22:41 AM
Surprised to see Engels on the bench. Didn’t realise he was that close to fitness
He was also on on it for the DL game, I think.

Dirty Leeds and Dirty Leicester.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on November 01, 2020, 11:22:47 AM
My lad beat you to it Risso !
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 11:23:26 AM
Think Cash could be in for a busy afternoon if we don't get a proper grip in midfield.

Yep we need to compete well. This is a bloody tough game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on November 01, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
The Leeds match I can excuse because I’ve erased it from my memory and it never really happened, but I’ll have to put my hand up to being dozy about the Leicester game    :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on November 01, 2020, 11:25:07 AM
Tough on Trez getting dropped but I hope Traore has a good game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on November 01, 2020, 11:26:49 AM
We really need to be at our best against this  lot. We often seem to give the impression of underestimating them
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 01, 2020, 11:27:36 AM
Get those SCORCHIOs ready PWS.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: john e on November 01, 2020, 11:30:59 AM
Traore was one of our big purchases and he’s been with us a few weeks now

the only way we are going to find out what he’s about is by giving him a go from the off in a game like this
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 01, 2020, 11:37:26 AM
If Traore matches Trez for work rate then we're a stronger team. As I believe Traore could have better end product than Trez.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: john e on November 01, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
If Traore matches Trez for work rate then we're a stronger team. As I believe Traore could have better end product than Trez.



Yes I think that’s what we are all hoping for
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: villa for life on November 01, 2020, 11:40:13 AM
Traore seems to be more of a central player to me..
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 01, 2020, 11:45:57 AM
Traore seems to be more of a central player to me..
I thought he was right sided attacker who likes to cut in on his left peg.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on November 01, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
Traore deserves his chance to start, apart from the Leeds game, he's hardly had any game time in the league, Trez will be a good player to bring on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 01, 2020, 11:49:24 AM
Only Liverpool and Man City have won more games than Southampton in 2020.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on November 01, 2020, 12:00:01 PM
Only Liverpool and Man City have won more games than Southampton in 2020.



Yes I don’t think this will be an easy game
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:00:55 PM
Morning all. Thought I’d take a break from the match thread after my unbeaten league streak was snapped. The side I thought he’d pick more to give Traore a break. So let’s now see why we paid the thick end of £20m for him. Good luck Bertie.

UTV everyone!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: oldtimernow on November 01, 2020, 12:01:14 PM
Is AVTV working?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:01:47 PM
Only Liverpool and Man City have won more games than Southampton in 2020.



Yes I don’t think this will be an easy game

It won’t, even before noting they always fucking beat us!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 01, 2020, 12:02:24 PM
Come on Villa, let's dick these yokels for a change!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:02:32 PM
Surprised El Ghazi is now getting excluded from 18, would like three attacking options on the bench given we've only got one other striker.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:04:35 PM
0-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 01, 2020, 12:05:15 PM
Oh dear.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:05:35 PM
Possible VAR to save us
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:05:37 PM
Great start, shambolic defending on that set piece.

VAR check though.....
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: devilla on November 01, 2020, 12:06:01 PM
FFS
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:06:34 PM
VAR rules it out
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:07:10 PM
Thank you VAR.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:07:12 PM
Get out of jail free card used, remains 0-0.

Now is it too much to ask we can start playing like first four games?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:07:14 PM
Always loved VAR, never had a bad word to say about it
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2020, 12:07:21 PM
Awful decision but thank fuck
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:07:30 PM
Don’t be fucking shit Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: DB on November 01, 2020, 12:07:43 PM
They are already causing us problems though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:08:00 PM
It's so long since we beat Southampton at home that Carlton Cole scored
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 12:08:08 PM
Shambolic start. Traore gave it away, and Ings should have scored.  We then give it away from a Cornerlty.  Luckily ruled out, but I don't like this reversion to being shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Skerra on November 01, 2020, 12:08:14 PM
We look even more lethargic than we did against Leeds. Most of our players are still in bed!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on November 01, 2020, 12:08:16 PM
Getting away with this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on November 01, 2020, 12:08:20 PM
We didn't touch the ball and they played straight through us to score.

Not a good sign
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:08:21 PM
Another escape
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:08:27 PM
React Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 12:09:05 PM
Come on villa. Match has started.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
The one thing that saved us last season and gave us a great start this was our defensive discipline. If that goes we’re fucked and we’ve seen signs vs Leeds and already today that the dam might be about to break. We cannot let that happen through carelessness.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 12:09:14 PM
This is pathetic.  Fucking rubbish Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 01, 2020, 12:09:14 PM
VAR is ace. Always liked it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:09:47 PM
This does not bode well. Not come out of the changing room.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Hampshire Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:09:57 PM
This looks like Leeds all over again
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on November 01, 2020, 12:10:15 PM
Good to see we learned our lessons from the Leeds game ......
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:10:33 PM
Can't wait for the game to start and we get into them
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:10:39 PM
Get the fucking intensity up Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 12:10:50 PM
Sloppy Villa. We shouldn't be starting like this. It's too stressful.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 01, 2020, 12:11:09 PM
We look hungovered and slow... wake up
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:11:12 PM
First chance for us
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:11:44 PM
Southampton just hit the bar aswell. Decent attack by us now.

Going to be like the Leeds game I suspect, first goal will be massive in this. Hopefully we'll get it this time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:13:37 PM
Traore did well there. Ward Prowse booked.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 12:14:10 PM
We're getting into it now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:14:58 PM
Bit better now
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: DB on November 01, 2020, 12:15:44 PM
Better.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 01, 2020, 12:20:34 PM
I wonder how many times we'll have to watch Mings hoof it aimlessly today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:21:24 PM
0-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:21:40 PM
No VAR to save us this time
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:21:52 PM
0-1.

Can't deal with the high balls today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 12:22:05 PM
That was too easy
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:22:09 PM
McGinn marking at a set piece, fuck me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:22:19 PM
Fucking hopeless here we go again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:22:31 PM
It’s starting to crumble and look a lot like the bad parts of last season
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: devilla on November 01, 2020, 12:23:07 PM
Warning signs were there. Excellent cross I have to say.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Ad@m on November 01, 2020, 12:23:11 PM
Our defending has been dreadful the last couple of games.  This is what got us in to trouble last season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 01, 2020, 12:23:40 PM
The bubble seems to have burst.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:23:41 PM
Yep we’ve lost our solidity completely. Shambles.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 12:23:45 PM
Who was marking him?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 01, 2020, 12:24:06 PM
Who was marking him?
McGinn
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on November 01, 2020, 12:24:06 PM
A free header shocking
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2020, 12:24:16 PM
Frankly we look a bit sussed out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 12:24:34 PM
For fuck sake.  Back to the shit old ways of last season.  Three good chances for them already, and a goal down.  Mings hoofing it out aimlessly.  Rubbish.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2020, 12:25:19 PM
Who was marking him?
McGinn
You have to ask why
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:25:20 PM
Half chance, corner
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on November 01, 2020, 12:25:50 PM
That looked a bad landing for the lad - don't think it's a foul though. 

We look a bit sloppy at the back
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 01, 2020, 12:26:03 PM
Who was marking him?
McGinn
You have to ask why

I'm not sure but was it Barkley's man who ended up with McGinn?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: john e on November 01, 2020, 12:26:18 PM
Sick and tired of shit shit shit Bastard bastard corners
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on November 01, 2020, 12:26:37 PM
What worries me is our manager seems unable to change things when things are not going well
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 12:27:06 PM
For fuck sake.  Back to the shit old ways of last season.  Three good chances for them already, and a goal down.  Mings hoofing it out aimlessly.  Rubbish.

Same old same old isn't it. Garbage so far. Time for more alcohol.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:27:33 PM
5'8 vs 6'5 (according to internet) isn't a match up you want to end up with
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2020, 12:27:51 PM
Worst outcome go a goal down, they will slow the game down and keep posession
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:28:38 PM
Traore injured
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:28:44 PM
We only play well on a Sunday night. Bring on Arsenal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:28:45 PM
Their manager is very, very good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Astral Weeks on November 01, 2020, 12:28:56 PM
I don't know who the co-commentator is on my stream, but he sounds a lot like Tom Kerridge.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 01, 2020, 12:28:59 PM
This looks like another of those days where we could play for 3 hours and still not look like scoring.  When we attack, they outnumber us.  When they attack, they outnumber us.  Shouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2020, 12:29:30 PM
5'8 vs 6'5 (according to internet) isn't a match up you want to end up with
surely this stuff is agree before the start, I can’t see how you end up with that match up
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:29:32 PM
It’s starting to crumble and look a lot like the bad parts of last season

Really really hope we don't go on a Lambert esque style awful run after promising 3-4 games, we should be better than that by now.

In a funny way Southampton and Leeds probably worse match ups for us than Arsenal will be so have to ride out this storm. Point today wouldn't be that bad and we can still get that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:29:54 PM
Traore pulled up, Trez coming on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: NorthYvillan on November 01, 2020, 12:29:54 PM
I don't know who the co-commentator is on my stream, but he sounds a lot like Tom Kerridge.

Danny Gabidon
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 12:31:04 PM
Plenty of time left
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 12:31:10 PM
I still think we need two up front.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on November 01, 2020, 12:31:21 PM
This looks like another of those days where we could play for 3 hours and still not look like scoring.  When we attack, they outnumber us.  When they attack, they outnumber us.  Shouldn't happen.
Yes that’s how football should be played and Southampton are doing it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Astral Weeks on November 01, 2020, 12:32:14 PM
I don't know who the co-commentator is on my stream, but he sounds a lot like Tom Kerridge.

Danny Gabidon
👍
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 12:33:08 PM
Watkins worries me. Other than the Liverpool one off, he hasn't got into games very much.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:33:19 PM
5'8 vs 6'5 (according to internet) isn't a match up you want to end up with

Problem seems to be we give Mings free licence to just follow the bar and attack it when defending set pieces. Of course the problem is when cross bypasses him and he's out of the situation then.

Call me old fashioned but I'd prefer Mings and Konsa on their two tallest players and work out the rest from there. Not like Ings and Adams are giants upfront so really it's just the two CBs to deal with and we failed badly to do it (and had a warning with the early corner).

Early sub means DS probably won't change much at half time either. Said it last week but I'd like to see Davis upfront and Watkins a little wider for the last half hour.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on November 01, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
Long and high balls are not really going to work against Southampton.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 01, 2020, 12:33:52 PM
5'8 vs 6'5 (according to internet) isn't a match up you want to end up with
surely this stuff is agree before the start, I can’t see how you end up with that match up

Their respective heights were irrelevant. McGinn lost him. If he'd been shorter than McGinn, he'd still have had a free header.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on November 01, 2020, 12:34:21 PM
All feels very flat
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:34:31 PM
0-2
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 01, 2020, 12:34:52 PM
couple of decent efforts Traore (before he limped off) and Barkley
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 01, 2020, 12:35:21 PM
This is a fucking joke. We have learned nothing about Southampton. Nothing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:35:24 PM
FFS.

Next time we play Southampton let's make sure we don't give away FKs near the box as they're pretty much goals for Southampton.

Re-run of last season's home game so far.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 12:35:28 PM
Our shape is horrendous. All on Smith for me
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 12:35:28 PM
It was good while it lasted.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 01, 2020, 12:35:49 PM
Welcome back Aston Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 12:35:53 PM
Fuck off Villa. Absolute fucking dog shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:36:19 PM
Hello darkness my old friend
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on November 01, 2020, 12:36:21 PM
Rubbish
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2020, 12:36:31 PM
Our shape is horrendous. All on Smith for me

Also our movement is so slow and predictable.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on November 01, 2020, 12:36:31 PM
Both sides have had free kicks by the corner, they scored theirs while ours have been comfortably dealt with. Both sides have had a free kick on the edge of the area, again they scored while ours went over.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 12:36:39 PM
What worries me is our manager seems unable to change things when things are not going well

He hasn't a clue...that sub says it all
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: john e on November 01, 2020, 12:36:51 PM
We’ve had the around the same amount of set pieces

they’ve scored two we’ve just fucked everyone up
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 12:37:26 PM
Our shape is horrendous. All on Smith for me

Me too. Looks gormless on the touchline once again.

Come on Villa. Make a fucking game of it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on November 01, 2020, 12:37:30 PM
Complete joke and Jacks' getting well pissed off
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 01, 2020, 12:37:39 PM
I hate regressing to the mean.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:37:47 PM
What's worrying about this is Ings hasn't got into the game much so far.

Think Southampton will score another at some point and we used up our goals in the Liverpool game so it's a long way back into this game now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:37:50 PM
I'm starting to think we may not win the league this season
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: dave17 on November 01, 2020, 12:37:57 PM
Che Adams still has to get his obligatory goal yet also
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 12:38:09 PM
What worries me is our manager seems unable to change things when things are not going well

He hasn't a clue...that sub says it all

That's the worry.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: DB on November 01, 2020, 12:38:17 PM
Oh dear, we have reverted to type
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on November 01, 2020, 12:38:23 PM
Predictable as soon as Luiz did the foul just where they wanted it. Ward-Prowse also moved the ball back from the foul to make sure.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 12:38:24 PM
We all knew where that freekick was going to go. Nobody on the line.

Poor.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 01, 2020, 12:38:28 PM
Wait till Shane Long gets on too.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 01, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
Mcginn shit. Ball passed near him and he just stood and watched
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:38:57 PM
This is abysmal. Thank you for the start but Dean is showing again that he will be out coached by most managers in this league. Another defeat beckons. We’ve shown next to nothing from the start. We are getting exactly what we deserve.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 12:39:06 PM
Where is McGinn playing? Where is Barkley?

Far too high ahead of the ball. Luiz completely outnumbered for the second game in a row
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: andyh on November 01, 2020, 12:39:27 PM
The really good thing about not having to go the games anymore is that I can now switch over and watch the motor racing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 01, 2020, 12:39:47 PM
Utter dog shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on November 01, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
I'm starting to think we may not win the league this season

We can still the do the Champs League, or is that Chumps league in our case.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Astral Weeks on November 01, 2020, 12:39:56 PM
I'm starting to think we may not win the league this season
We'll be lucky to get into the Champions League at this rate.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 01, 2020, 12:40:27 PM
Where is McGinn playing? Where is Barkley?

Far too high ahead of the ball. Luiz completely outnumbered for the second game in a row
He is running into areas where he can't be played. Doesn't want the ball
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on November 01, 2020, 12:41:06 PM
It didn't take long for us to be found out, did it? 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 01, 2020, 12:41:24 PM
Never fear. We've got supersub hat-trick specialist Davis on the bench.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 01, 2020, 12:42:00 PM
The aimless, lumping it forward vaguely in Watkins' direction is a disgrace. Is this what a week's worth of preparation brings?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:42:31 PM
The good thing is Dean knows how to counter things when they’re against us...
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 12:42:52 PM
I hope this isn't like the Leeds game where we're waiting for a tactical change that never comes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: john e on November 01, 2020, 12:42:58 PM
it’s all about the set pieces for me

They’ve taken there’s we’ve wasted ours
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 12:43:11 PM
Switch McGinn next to Luiz ffs
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on November 01, 2020, 12:43:22 PM
Be nice if we could win a fucking tackle now and then
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 01, 2020, 12:43:22 PM
The good thing is Dean knows how to counter things when they’re against us...

It's all about the overloads and traps.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2020, 12:43:27 PM
Clueless
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
I'm really glad to hear that we've been working on the things went wrong in our 'blip' (not a blip) against Leeds.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on November 01, 2020, 12:43:45 PM
I know this isn’t a popular opinion but I am yet to see the improvement at right back that justified spending £14 million out of a potential striker budget on Cash.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2020, 12:43:54 PM
We look figured out. If we can't fo the one thing we do then we can't do anything.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:43:55 PM
The aimless, lumping it forward vaguely in Watkins' direction is a disgrace. Is this what a week's worth of preparation brings?

That’s precisely what we had turned into before the Covid break saved us. Useless one dimensional tactics. Watkins is absolutely wasted as was Samatta when we did the same thing. It gives the ball back to them straight away also. Fucking shit approach.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 01, 2020, 12:44:08 PM
Game over. Smith hasn’t got the brains or the players to change it to even try and get back in. We’re gonna need a moment of brilliance and/or a mistake or two. Ain’t happening.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:44:14 PM
Be nice if we could win a fucking tackle now and then

Cash just put in a reducer on JWP.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 12:44:47 PM
Get Barkley off at half time, my blood boiling watching his Lansbury impression out there. Davis up top, Watkins left, Grealish 10
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 12:45:01 PM
Bloody hell Watkins, utter rubbish that was.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:45:04 PM
Very close to being a penalty.

Mind you on evidence so far this is as good as a penalty for them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on November 01, 2020, 12:45:13 PM
Be nice if we could win a fucking tackle now and then

Cash just put in a reducer on JWP.

As I was hitting 'post'.  Good.  Ward-Prowse is a mouthy (if talented) fecker
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:45:44 PM
Get Barkley off at half time, my blood boiling watching his Lansbury impression out there. Davis up top, Watkins left, Grealish 10

We are truly fucked when Davis is the answer to anything
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: WilliamStanding on November 01, 2020, 12:45:57 PM
The doom Merchants out in force.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 01, 2020, 12:46:09 PM
One problem we have is that we're very much a confidence team, when things go badly for us we pretty much never react well, we fold.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:46:10 PM
0-3
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2020, 12:46:45 PM
Jesus fucking Christ.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 12:46:51 PM
Shit
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:47:00 PM
We don't half play the world is ending card as a football team sometimes.

0-3.

Some effort to have a minus goal difference again shortly after the first 4 games. Only us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on November 01, 2020, 12:47:16 PM
My thread is shite for this game, which is obviously rather a good thing. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2020, 12:47:21 PM
They are walking through us, we are all over the place and Smith has no idea how to change it.
Could be a cricket score.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on November 01, 2020, 12:47:24 PM
The doom Merchants out in force.

If you think this is good....
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Ad@m on November 01, 2020, 12:47:30 PM
This is terrible isn't it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on November 01, 2020, 12:47:35 PM
Cash should have been sent off as well
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2020, 12:47:44 PM
For fuck's sake.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on November 01, 2020, 12:47:50 PM
FFS
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 12:47:52 PM
What on earth is Cash doing?

I can't believe what I'm seeing sometimes when watching Villa. Gormless tactics, gormless players.

Fuck the players and fuck Smith.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:47:59 PM
The doom Merchants out in force.

Well to be fair, what do you expect, this has been embarrassing
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 12:48:02 PM
The doom Merchants out in force.

The last 2 halves at home we've lost 0-3 and been totally outplayed in both, i'm amazed people aren't optimistic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:48:04 PM
We have been well and truly sussed out. Absolutely fucking shit. Fuck this to start the day
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 12:48:09 PM
Exactly the same position with a free kick, and we make the same mistakes, with the same fucking result.  Absolutely unbelievable.  Fuck off the lot of them.  Complete and utter bottlers. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Stu on November 01, 2020, 12:48:13 PM
Bloody hell, Villa. Going to be on the end of a proper hiding now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 12:48:14 PM
9 days rest for this.

Hopefully people will realise some of these players in 11 shouldn't be seen as untouchable. Another high press midfield has completely dominated us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 01, 2020, 12:48:24 PM
The doom Merchants out in force.
So what do you suggest we cheer about?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on November 01, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Ridiculous by Cash.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2020, 12:48:32 PM
What a bag of shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on November 01, 2020, 12:48:33 PM
Cash should have been sent off as well

And we ere a bit lucky to get away with that first VAR goal to0.  A proper bad half this one.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:48:46 PM
Fucking hopeless.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: CT on November 01, 2020, 12:49:01 PM
Absolutely pathetic. Fucking obvious what would happen. Put a defender on the post ffs
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 01, 2020, 12:49:05 PM
Boooooo!

This is shit. That's our goal difference fucked then!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:50:08 PM
The doom Merchants out in force.

Just give it a rest FFS
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 12:50:21 PM
The problem is Dean has no clue on how to change things. Fucking embarrassed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: jimmygreen on November 01, 2020, 12:50:25 PM
Fuck this. I’m off to clean out the conservatory.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 12:50:53 PM
The doom Merchants out in force.


You're an irritation of the highest order, and a Rangers loving moron.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on November 01, 2020, 12:51:37 PM
The doom Merchants out in force.

Well to be fair, what do you expect, this has been embarrassing

The doom merchants rock then, we can't carry on getting turned over like we wasn't even on the park.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 12:52:07 PM
Smith really has to show he can do something in this situation.  Doing nothing isn't an option.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Astral Weeks on November 01, 2020, 12:52:51 PM
Right, I'm not watching any more of this shit. Thank fuck I didn't pay £15 to watch it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2020, 12:54:25 PM
People need to stop responding to that bellend. It won't make you feel any better.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on November 01, 2020, 12:55:22 PM
Can someone explain to me how you can go from beating liverpool 7-2 to being hammered three nil at half time at home to southampton? And 3-0 flatters us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2020, 12:55:56 PM
Watkins isolated ,three v one. Change of formation needed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on November 01, 2020, 12:56:32 PM
The only positive is that we are not losing by more than three, absolute garbage from all of the team so far.

We should be down to ten men and why does Mings keep his feet planted to the floor on the last free kick?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Hampshire Villa on November 01, 2020, 12:56:38 PM
Had enough of this at least I can watch Columbo with the Mrs. Glad I didn’t pay £15
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on November 01, 2020, 12:56:55 PM
Thought it would be a hard game but didn't expect this, we are front runners for sure with no plan b when things go wrong. Our forward line is non existant.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on November 01, 2020, 12:57:26 PM
3 set pieces 3 goals. It would help if the midfield had realised they were actually playing today. Absolutely woeful from all of them.

Smith needs to get a grip of this it’s woeful. It’s not as if Saints have been overly dominant just clinical.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2020, 12:58:00 PM
Thoughts and prayers with those who paid thirty quid for the last two games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: andyh on November 01, 2020, 12:58:06 PM
Our excellent goal difference has also been kicked to shit over the last 2 games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 01, 2020, 12:58:57 PM
Tyrone Mings wants a good kick up the arse.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: john2710 on November 01, 2020, 12:59:00 PM
The thing is Southampton haven't had to be that good. A corner & 2 freekicks.

We've stood off, given them set pieces & lumped the ball to Watkins. We've got to have more than one way to play.

It's all a bit hit & hope.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 01, 2020, 12:59:30 PM
This has been shocking because we clearly haven't sought to consider Southampton's strengths. They look like a coherent team where everyone knows exactly what their role is and we are an individualistic mess. Hoping for a bit of luck or a moment of genius. Beyond awful!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on November 01, 2020, 12:59:44 PM
it's like groundhog day supporting this club - no matter how much changes we'll always return to our default position of shite.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 01, 2020, 12:59:49 PM
fuck me , well look on the bright side Sheff Utd and Burnley lost , they aint catching us yet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: CT on November 01, 2020, 01:00:26 PM
We don't just lose, we fall apart.

Barkley and McGinn have done nothing.

How can a team winning 4 in 4 turn to absolute shite in a game and a half?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 01, 2020, 01:00:30 PM
The doom Merchants out in force.
judging on the last 90 minutes of football they're probably pretty accurate.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on November 01, 2020, 01:00:43 PM
The biggest thing for me was we look half-arsed, it's like we're playing with no belief and no passion, which is WEIRD given the start we've had.  Forget the end scoreline now, I just want to see us compete second half, give these an actual game, like I'm sure this group of players can.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on November 01, 2020, 01:00:56 PM
Barkley and McGinn have been awol for most of the game but the shambles has been the concession of free kicks in dangerous places.

They play to engage free kicks in dangerous places ( a la Ashely Young) and we fall into the obvious trap.

We've had a few ourselves but apart from the Traore effort, the delivery has not compared to theirs.

Smith said last week that we didn't fare well after going a goal down, and it's more of the same today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 01, 2020, 01:01:21 PM
Southampton are now like Man U. They could select 11 random fans and still walk over us every time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 01, 2020, 01:01:44 PM
Total shite. Everything we do is so slow and obvious.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: steamer on November 01, 2020, 01:02:19 PM
Midfield being over run, yet no change or calls from the bench.
If we carry on like this it will be a real hammering, I have watched both leeds and Southampton this year and could have said what to expect !!!!
We got our Villa back
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: passport1 on November 01, 2020, 01:02:25 PM
We are being exposed tactically. The coaching has to be questioned.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 01, 2020, 01:02:54 PM
Difficult now for Smith. Watkins totally isolated and outnumbered, Barklay and grealish need to be closer, but the McGinn and Luiz have been completely out muscled in the middle. I think the only change I can think would make any kind of difference is to bring Davis on to support Watkins and make that big fecker at the back have to think a bit. Not sure who I’d bring off though
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on November 01, 2020, 01:03:13 PM
Well it's all going very well so far.  In the last 90 minutes of football at home, scored 0 conceded 6. And it could and should have been worse, the VAR decision was fortunate and Cash is lucky not to get a red for denying a goal scoring opportunity. I suppose both Leeds and Southampton have become something of bogey teams for us at VP (along with the entire "big 6" and Leicester) but fucking hell we could at least turn up.

It's the stupidity of it that gets me - Mcginn marking a giant at a corner, gifting two free kicks to probably the best free kick taker in the league, and Mings deciding not to jump on the second one so it goes straight over his head and in.

Genius. 

I'd like to think the second half can only be better, but the way we are playing it will only get worse. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
If we can't counterattack then we can't do anything. Why are Villa always the team behind the fucking times, it's been decades since we at the forefront of coaching and style and I'm absolutely fucking sick of it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: rougegorge on November 01, 2020, 01:04:28 PM
Maybe we should get Hourihane on and play for free kicks (tongue in cheek). Ward-Prowse doesn't appear to do an awful lot else but he's first class with a dead ball.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: dicedlam on November 01, 2020, 01:05:21 PM
The only difference between this shite and the Leeds game is at least they are not fucking up my weekend at the beginning of it.

Shambolic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on November 01, 2020, 01:06:16 PM
Knowing how clueless our manager is i would settle for 0 3 to escape further punishment
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 01, 2020, 01:06:36 PM
We have regressed to playing the way we did in the first half of last season. Too many schoolboy errors of our own making.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2020, 01:07:47 PM
Ward-Prowse has turned into prime Le Tiss.
We never beat them then.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 01:07:49 PM
Any changes or am I being silly?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: dave17 on November 01, 2020, 01:07:50 PM
Well it's all going very well so far.  In the last 90 minutes of football at home, scored 0 conceded 6. And it could and should have been worse, the VAR decision was fortunate and Cash is lucky not to get a red for denying a goal scoring opportunity. I suppose both Leeds and Southampton have become something of bogey teams for us at VP (along with the entire "big 6" and Leicester) but fucking hell we could at least turn up.

It's the stupidity of it that gets me - Mcginn marking a giant at a corner, gifting two free kicks to probably the best free kick taker in the league, and Mings deciding not to jump on the second one so it goes straight over his head and in.

Genius. 

I'd like to think the second half can only be better, but the way we are playing it will only get worse.
I’m glad I wasn’t imagining the Mings not jumping thing. All three goals came from jwp plus the disallowed one. It’s not rocket science. Given trez just shielded the ball out of play for their throw in maybe we just aren’t that savy  as a team
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 01, 2020, 01:08:38 PM
we've gone from being street-wise, attacking, high-tempo and aggressive to a crock-of-shit who can't do any of the basics right.

If Smith is getting credit for the first four games then he's also allowed to take some shit for the last couple too. Same for the players.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: geolex on November 01, 2020, 01:08:43 PM
If we can't counterattack then we can't do anything. Why are Villa always the team behind the fucking times, it's been decades since we at the forefront of coaching and style and I'm absolutely fucking sick of it.

Jimmy Hogan  1936-1939
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 01, 2020, 01:08:52 PM
Tyrone Mings wants a good kick up the arse.

Meant to mention it yesterday but I always dread it when one of our players is featured on Football Focus. Never ends well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: john e on November 01, 2020, 01:08:54 PM
at least we’ve come out all guns blazing
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:09:34 PM
People need to stop responding to that bellend. It won't make you feel any better.

You're right mate. What I'd give for a joint.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: murgsy on November 01, 2020, 01:10:01 PM
Any increased activity on the Smith / manager thread?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:10:46 PM
The biggest thing for me was we look half-arsed, it's like we're playing with no belief and no passion, which is WEIRD given the start we've had.  Forget the end scoreline now, I just want to see us compete second half, give these an actual game, like I'm sure this group of players can.

Been that way for the last decade really. There were glimmers of hope under Lambert. First season we got an unbeaten run going and went up to Liverpool and to quote him "were excellent" for once. Then we lost 8-0 to Chelsea and the sky fell in for next 3 months.

And the long winless runs under DS aswell. Happened last season after we won late v Watford and Leicester in the cup.

Would be nice for once after a bad defeat to reset and at least grind out a draw or two to keep the points total ticking over but season in season out we seem incapable of doing that to get a top half finish.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 01:11:31 PM
I want a consolation goal at least, otherwise that's 2 games without scoring.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
If we can't counterattack then we can't do anything. Why are Villa always the team behind the fucking times, it's been decades since we at the forefront of coaching and style and I'm absolutely fucking sick of it.

Paul Lambert, Dean Smith both came to us as front foot coaches. Both have turned into precisely the opposite. MON was a master at the counter attacks and built a team specifically for that. But since then everything we have tried at this level has been nothing short of white flag waving shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:11:54 PM
Couple of decent efforts
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:12:42 PM
It’s been an utterly unprofessional two halves of football. The players and management should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: WilliamStanding on November 01, 2020, 01:12:54 PM
4 wins out of 6 - played 4 top sides and we are doomed.


Some people need to get a serious grip of themselves, or advocate smoking drugs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 01:13:11 PM
Barkley is a disgrace
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:13:33 PM
We just need more of a presence up top.

Mings is all over the place. Love him as a man and what he stands for/his views. But as a player, he can be an absolute donkey. Would like to see someone older and experienced next to him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Fred Crump on November 01, 2020, 01:13:40 PM
Need to make this spell of pressure count. But we rarely do
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
4 wins out of 6 - played 4 top sides and we are doomed.


Some people need to get a serious grip of themselves, or advocate smoking drugs.
As opposed to you no  doubt
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: villa for life on November 01, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Barkley needs to be off. Stop being star struck , Smith
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:14:05 PM
Have liked the look of him so far but Cash been useless today.

Get the feeling we'll see AEM start next week. Perhaps Cash been moved into midfield where he played a bit for Forest.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 01, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
Decent chances from Trez's amd Grealish's headers.  If we can get an early one make it respectable. I doubt we will get through without conceading thought.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:14:33 PM
4 wins out of 6 - played 4 top sides and we are doomed.


Some people need to get a serious grip of themselves, or advocate smoking drugs.

. . . .
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 01:14:56 PM
We have one player, I feel sorry for him
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 01:15:15 PM
This was the test today and we have failed horribly. To see if Leeds was just the end of a very good run and that it wouldn’t stop us from getting back on the bike again after a fall. We look fucking shellshocked.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on November 01, 2020, 01:16:22 PM
We have one player, I feel sorry for him

Not for me, we have some decent players on this pitch.  I'm more worried about the manager at the moment.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:16:51 PM
0-4 but nothing to worry about it
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 01:16:54 PM
Barkley is a disgrace

He’s not a disgrace. He’s just not the player we all hyped him up to be after two games. Neither is McGinn or Luiz or Mings or even Jack when the manager sets us up this way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:16:59 PM
I’m hoping this isn’t the start of a hideous run of defeats. We’ve got complacent and forgotten to bother doing the hard work.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:17:04 PM
Ings getting his goal bonus yet again v us.

0-4.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 01:17:07 PM
This is every bit as bad as us at our worst last season.  Take McGinn or Barkely off, both are a waste of a shirt.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 01:17:18 PM
What's happened to McGinn?  Unrecognisable from these days.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:17:28 PM
Fuck off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2020, 01:17:49 PM
For the love of christ.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 01, 2020, 01:17:55 PM
We have one player, I feel sorry for him

Not for me, we have some decent players on this pitch.  I'm more worried about the manager at the moment.

The big concern for me is that he never seems to change anything, let alone do it successfully, when things are going against us.

MON was the same.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 01, 2020, 01:18:04 PM
Barkley is a disgrace

He’s not a disgrace. He’s just not the player we all hyped him up to be after two games. Neither is McGinn or Luiz or Mings or even Jack when the manager sets us up this way.

Barkley in the last 2 games is a the player I was worried we were getting after 2 games of being the player we all hoped he could be.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 01, 2020, 01:18:22 PM
Fuck off Barkley, you lazy bastard. Work, work, work!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:18:23 PM
The midfield has been fucking disgraceful again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: devilla on November 01, 2020, 01:18:25 PM
Utter fucking disgrace.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 01:19:19 PM
Have a good rest of your day chaps. It’s 8.20am or so here. I don’t want to ruin any more of it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:19:22 PM
Barkley is a disgrace

He’s not a disgrace. He’s just not the player we all hyped him up to be after two games. Neither is McGinn or Luiz or Mings or even Jack when the manager sets us up this way.

Agreed, he's certainly miles away from being an undroppable player on evidence of today and last two (fair play for his winner at Leicester but he wasn't great in that game either).

Does seem a few have been dazzled so far by his reputation.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rory on November 01, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
Weekends are so much easier when Villa don't play.

With all due respect to Leeds and Southampton, we shouldn't be so comprehensively dominated by teams like that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on November 01, 2020, 01:19:41 PM
Just in hospital where my wife has given birth to our new 1:1 scale baby boy.

Trust villa to fuck up this moment.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 01, 2020, 01:20:22 PM
So then another one of Deans shit losing streaks is upon us.  Not consistently good enough at this level.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on November 01, 2020, 01:20:52 PM
I've worked out Smith's plan - he saw how well Southampton recovered form a 0-9 home defeat last season and is going to try to emulate them.  I think he may be on to something.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:21:14 PM
SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: WilliamStanding on November 01, 2020, 01:21:42 PM
Man Ure lost 1-6 at home recently.

Smith out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 01, 2020, 01:21:48 PM
Smith has to do something now to stop the bleeding otherwise it's going to be a massacre.
Need to get nkamba on and run the game out
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2020, 01:21:48 PM
Look at the work rate of Ward-Prowse.
Twice that of Ross or Jack combined.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on November 01, 2020, 01:21:52 PM
To be fair that is some strike, in fact apart from the header Martinez has had no chance
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 01:21:53 PM
Barkley is a disgrace

He’s not a disgrace. He’s just not the player we all hyped him up to be after two games. Neither is McGinn or Luiz or Mings or even Jack when the manager sets us up this way.

Watch his efforts to retrieve the ball he lost for that goal, he's a big type charlie without the ability or application to back it up. A complete and utter disgrace
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:21:56 PM
Barkley is a disgrace

He’s not a disgrace. He’s just not the player we all hyped him up to be after two games. Neither is McGinn or Luiz or Mings or even Jack when the manager sets us up this way.

Barkley in the last 2 games is a the player I was worried we were getting after 2 games of being the player we all hoped he could be.

Dare to suggest a Nakamba or Hourihane comes in for him for the odd game though just to change shape or fresh legs and all hell seems to break loose for half the forum.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2020, 01:22:05 PM
Back to our worst; when Smith gets it wrong, he really fucking gets it wrong.  McGinn and Barkley have been woeful.  Any sign of them being replaced?  Course not.  Clueless.  Anyway, not wasting any more of the afternoon on this shite, I shall see you all later.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rory on November 01, 2020, 01:22:32 PM
SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I do admire your resilience  :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 01, 2020, 01:22:34 PM
Man Ure lost 1-6 at home recently.

Smith out.

Do you ever get bored of pointlessly antagonising people?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:22:37 PM
Barkley, Mings, Targett, Cash, McGinn.

Shameful today.

I didn't like most of these players last season, but was impressed when they kept us up.

I'm seeing some shocking performances today. Players strolling about, no leaders, no zest, no urgency, nothing.

Losing 4-0 at home to Southampton.

Get in Tyrone. All is forgiven.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Another assist for Jack. Good lad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:23:07 PM
Weekends are so much easier when Villa don't play.

With all due respect to Leeds and Southampton, we shouldn't be so comprehensively dominated by teams like that.

Yep - we’ve stopped working and let the hype go to our heads. All of them should be fucking ashamed of their efforts in the last two games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on November 01, 2020, 01:23:31 PM
Gooooooooooooooooooool! Come on you useless fuckers!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2020, 01:23:49 PM
4-1, then. Exactly as I predicted.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:23:51 PM
Ah good a goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:24:16 PM
Man Ure lost 1-6 at home recently.

Smith out.

The test is always how you respond to bad defeats. Liverpool and Man. United have done o.k since their bad losses.

Since 2010 we've gone on pretty much club record breaking runs after bad defeats so the omens simply aren't good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 01, 2020, 01:24:40 PM
Ings getting his goal bonus yet again v us.

0-4.

Ings has been excellent so far this season to be fair.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:25:14 PM
AEM coming on for I assume Cash.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on November 01, 2020, 01:25:37 PM
Man Ure lost 1-6 at home recently.

Smith out.
Man Ure lost 1-6 at home recently.

Smith out.

And bounced back next game with a win - it's the direction of travel that's a concern, two in a row where we've been largely outplayed and leaked goals for fun.   In al fairness Smith has shown time and again he is rarely able to get the team to respond to adversity.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:25:43 PM
SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I do admire your resilience  :)

I was close to just typing the score I must admit
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2020, 01:26:36 PM
A great sub
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 01, 2020, 01:27:12 PM
Why do we need to be 3-0 behind before we start to play with any tempo or urgency? Baffling.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:27:58 PM
Watkins needs a partner up with him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Ad@m on November 01, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
Man Ure lost 1-6 at home recently.

Smith out.

Do you ever get bored of pointlessly antagonising people?

Just ignore him. He's either a child or a moron, but like any troll he feeds off people's reactions.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:28:28 PM
Another chance
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rory on November 01, 2020, 01:28:34 PM
SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I do admire your resilience  :)

I was close to just typing the score I must admit

I'm glad you went with tradition. The familiarity is comforting. I trust your alerts more than BBC or Sky!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on November 01, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
66th minute, 4-1 down and a like for like sub? Ok then.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on November 01, 2020, 01:29:08 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good? 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:29:30 PM
66th minute, 4-1 down and a like for like sub? Ok then.

Come on we can’t change the system.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on November 01, 2020, 01:29:53 PM
We're actually playing some nice stuff now - shame the game is already lost.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2020, 01:30:11 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?
a)
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:30:33 PM
And another chance
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 01:31:08 PM
Shots!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:31:39 PM
Game plan is working perfectly so far, lull them into a false sense of security and then batter them
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:31:40 PM
Had 54% possession today.

Palace beat Southampton 1-0 on opening day with 29% so sometimes low block and conceding the ball is the best option for this type of opponent.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 01, 2020, 01:31:43 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?

I was thinking the same. Another expensive learning on the job signing? nothing sticking up front, just like last season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:31:44 PM
Too little, way too late.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 01, 2020, 01:31:49 PM
And another chance
If he only was able to shoot the ball properly he would be good
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on November 01, 2020, 01:32:06 PM
They've got Ings but we've got Mings.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:32:13 PM
Ings 'goal' offside
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:32:32 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?

I was thinking the same. Another expensive learning on the job signing? nothing sticking up front, just like last season.

I think it suggests it’s more about our failings as a team.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 01, 2020, 01:33:15 PM
Trez is knocking on the door surely his next chance will hit the net.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: WilliamStanding on November 01, 2020, 01:33:24 PM
Much better second half.

The drama really isn’t necessary, onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:33:32 PM
Man Ure lost 1-6 at home recently.

Smith out.

Do you ever get bored of pointlessly antagonising people?

Just ignore him. He's either a child or a moron, but like any troll he feeds off people's reactions.

I'm struggling to ignore him. Irritating beyond belief.

Let's just sign Ings.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: CT on November 01, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
To be fair to Ollie, we’ve given him fuck all service in the last three games.

Barkley has been absolutely abysmal today. It’s one thing having a bad game, it’s quite another strutting around thinking you’re much better than you really are.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on November 01, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?

I was thinking the same. Another expensive learning on the job signing? nothing sticking up front, just like last season.

I think it suggests it’s more about our failings as a team.

I agree but I think the same could be argued for Wesley whereas many did not see it that way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 01, 2020, 01:34:00 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?

I was thinking the same. Another expensive learning on the job signing? nothing sticking up front, just like last season.

I think it suggests it’s more about our failings as a team.

We could try Davis up front and Watkins as the left inside forward.  Jack to then move to the centre.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 01, 2020, 01:34:12 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?

I would put it down as a bad day at the office for him and the the team in general because Watkins has impressed me so far this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:34:36 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?

I was thinking the same. Another expensive learning on the job signing? nothing sticking up front, just like last season.

I think it suggests it’s more about our failings as a team.

I agree but I think the same could be argued for Wesley whereas many did not see it that way.

I’m very much in the camp that people have written Wesley off way too soon.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:35:04 PM
The irony of a massive troll banging on about drama
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 01, 2020, 01:35:04 PM
Why oh why oh why oh feckin why don’t we put a man on the line when the free kick is that close? Especially the second tikme? Einstein’s definition of madness etc etc. Why teams don’t generally do this is beyond me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rory on November 01, 2020, 01:35:14 PM
I don't think I know what he looks, sounds or plays like, but I have a strong dislike of Ings. Maybe it's having a suffix for a surname, but there's definitely something that riles me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 01, 2020, 01:35:16 PM
Watkins had Benrahma and Mbuemo bombing up with him last season.  Give him the same support and he’s good enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
Another save from a Trez effort
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on November 01, 2020, 01:35:40 PM
Some good chances, Trez finding space and getting openings but has a habit of hitting it straight at the keeper. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 01, 2020, 01:35:50 PM
What's really frustrating here is that they've only had 4 shots on target, we've been done by letting them have easy chances rather than because of the sheer amount of chances.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: dave17 on November 01, 2020, 01:35:54 PM
Why not bring on Hourihane or Davis?

The only players coming out with any credit are Martinez (no chance with any of the goals), grealish and to some extent trez and luis
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rory on November 01, 2020, 01:36:28 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?

I would put it down as a bad day at the office for him and the the team in general because Watkins has impressed me so far this season.

Agreed on Watkins. I like him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:36:29 PM
The irony of a massive troll banging on about drama

Quite.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: wolfman999 on November 01, 2020, 01:36:37 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?

I was thinking the same. Another expensive learning on the job signing? nothing sticking up front, just like last season.

The best striker in the world can’t score without the ball. Wesleys’ problems were he was always where the ball wasn’t.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:37:11 PM
Another save from a Trez effort

I like him. He never gives up. Deserves a goal today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 01, 2020, 01:37:17 PM
Watkins looks lightweight and Barkley annonymous. Both very disappointing so far
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:37:28 PM
Wesley shouldn’t just be written off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 01:37:30 PM
Trez could of had a hatrick. Keepers kept Southampton ahead.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on November 01, 2020, 01:38:03 PM
Watkins had Benrahma and Mbuemo bombing up with him last season.  Give him the same support and he’s good enough.

Exactly. I can’t believe people giving him stick. He has no support. Like to see him upfront with Davis at Arsenal
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 01, 2020, 01:38:35 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?

I was thinking the same. Another expensive learning on the job signing? nothing sticking up front, just like last season.

The best striker in the world can’t score without the ball. Wesleys’ problems were he was always where the ball wasn’t.

because he was isolated and having to drift into deep and wide areas to get the ball, exactly the same as Watkins has for the last couple of games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:39:19 PM
Yep our strikers end up with no support.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2020, 01:39:37 PM
Much better second half.

The drama really isn’t necessary, onwards and upwards.
KRO
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on November 01, 2020, 01:39:38 PM
Watkins had Benrahma and Mbuemo bombing up with him last season.  Give him the same support and he’s good enough.

Exactly. I can’t believe people giving him stick. He has no support. Like to see him upfront with Davis at Arsenal

Like I said my point was that Wesley got pelters for similar performances.   
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:39:55 PM
Wesley shouldn’t just be written off.

I agree. Could be just what Watkins needs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:40:35 PM
Watkins is looking like Wesley did last season.  Lack of service/support? Or just not that good?

I would put it down as a bad day at the office for him and the the team in general because Watkins has impressed me so far this season.

Yeah I'm not going to write off any of our outfield signings as they showed enough in first four games but premier league is unforgiving for new players and now they're finding it tougher.

Watkins is a good player but little concerned he tends to snatch at shots a bit.

Think what the last two games have shown is it would've been nice to have an experienced backup striker on the bench to put on at 1 or 2 down.

You can see DS dosen't really fancy Davis to do anything once we're 3 down. Seems we only put him on in games we're drawing or leading so he can hold the ball up a bit and draw some fouls.

That's something we need to fix in January.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:40:54 PM
Wesley shouldn’t just be written off.

I agree. Could be just what Watkins needs.

Sadly they won’t get on the pitch at the same time because Dean won’t change his system.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2020, 01:40:57 PM
Another save from a Trez effort

I like him. He never gives up. Deserves a goal today.
agree
We are not playing to his strengths
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:41:09 PM
Much better second half.

The drama really isn’t necessary, onwards and upwards.
KRO

SOTV
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on November 01, 2020, 01:41:14 PM
We've been murdering them this half but they've still had the ball in our net twice.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:41:32 PM
Get Luiz off.

Probably his worst game for six months but we don't want him out for months with a ripped hamstring.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: BC Villain on November 01, 2020, 01:41:46 PM
Watkins looks lightweight and Barkley annonymous. Both very disappointing so far

Barkley has continued his track record of having one good game and then a string of anonymous ones.  Probably why Chelsea were happy to let him go
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 01:42:02 PM
Why not bring on Hourihane or Davis?

The only players coming out with any credit are Martinez (no chance with any of the goals), grealish and to some extent trez and luis

Smith appears to be unwilling to take off the under performing big name players.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:42:08 PM
We've been murdering them this half but they've still had the ball in our net twice.

Yes our defensive strength and discipline, as a team, has completely disappeared.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 01, 2020, 01:42:09 PM
We've been murdering them this half but they've still had the ball in our net twice.

Once, scoring when you're a yard or 2 offside means fuck all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
Wesley shouldn’t just be written off.

I agree. Could be just what Watkins needs.

Sadly they won’t get on the pitch at the same time because Dean won’t change his system.

I think they'll both be here long after he's gone.

Certainly makes a rod for his own back does Dean
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 01, 2020, 01:42:58 PM
bad sportsmanship by ward prowse, winning comfortably and blatently throwing the ball away. I dont like to see that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 01, 2020, 01:43:06 PM
We need a global pandemic to allow us to reset and sort out the defence.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on November 01, 2020, 01:43:40 PM
At least they are showing some aggression now
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 01:44:48 PM
Watkins had Benrahma and Mbuemo bombing up with him last season.  Give him the same support and he’s good enough.

Exactly. I can’t believe people giving him stick. He has no support. Like to see him upfront with Davis at Arsenal

Benrahama is better than Grealish now?

Tammy had no problem scoring in this set up (o.k just the championship but I'm pretty confident he'd have hit 15 for us in premier league).

We just need another credible striker option in the 18 given Davis isn't trusted once we go more than a goal down. Amazed we didn't get one in after we unloaded Samatta.

Karlan Grant would've been a good pick up given how he took his first goal for WBA the other day.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 01, 2020, 01:45:15 PM
Not sure how that was a free kick for Ings, got his studs stuck in the turf and fell into Elmo.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 01:45:22 PM
Is it fair to say we're winning on xg or whatever it's called?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Hillbilly on November 01, 2020, 01:45:37 PM
Long. Terrific.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2020, 01:45:53 PM
Game management by Saints
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on November 01, 2020, 01:47:07 PM
I still think we will be mid table but days like this hurt.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rory on November 01, 2020, 01:47:50 PM
bad sportsmanship by ward prowse, winning comfortably and blatently throwing the ball away. I dont like to see that.

Yeah, I hate all forms of time-wasting, whoever does it. Equally annoying is when a team put the ball down ready for a free kick and some opposition prick kicks or rolls it backwards as they pass. If I were a ref, I'd add 30 seconds on every time a player did that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rory on November 01, 2020, 01:48:45 PM
I still think we will be mid table but days like this hurt.

Same.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on November 01, 2020, 01:49:29 PM
You always need a plan B.  And be able to adapt plan A.   
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
I still think we will be mid table but days like this hurt.

We'll be scraping around at the bottom again this season Deano, you wait and see.

We have a soft underbelly and no leaders on the pitch.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: WilliamStanding on November 01, 2020, 01:50:03 PM
Game management by Saints

They are 4-1 up, with minutes remaining.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:50:26 PM
6 mins added time
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:50:36 PM
and a penalty to us
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:50:52 PM
Jack taking it
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on November 01, 2020, 01:51:15 PM
6 mins added time

Only 6?!?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:51:21 PM
Now Ollie is taking it

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:51:40 PM
SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:52:34 PM
Least that gives Ollie a goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rory on November 01, 2020, 01:52:39 PM
SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: dave17 on November 01, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Now Ollie is taking it
Good leadership from grealish
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on November 01, 2020, 01:53:03 PM
Helps the GD a bit at least
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 01, 2020, 01:53:05 PM
We winning the second half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on November 01, 2020, 01:53:15 PM
Ollie Ollie Ollie
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:53:29 PM
Nicely taken Ollie.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on November 01, 2020, 01:53:31 PM
It doesn’t matter to the score line but good move by Jack to hand the ball to Ollie. He needs to have goals against his name.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:53:49 PM
4-0 and you nearly fucked it up
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:54:00 PM
It doesn’t matter to the score line but good move by Jack to hand the ball to Ollie. He needs to have goals against his name.

Yep right call.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on November 01, 2020, 01:54:23 PM
Not a bad comeback in the 2nd half. Pity about the first.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Edvard Remberg on November 01, 2020, 01:54:24 PM
McGinn extremely poor
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 01, 2020, 01:54:55 PM

Yeah, I hate all forms of time-wasting, whoever does it. Equally annoying is when a team put the ball down ready for a free kick and some opposition prick kicks or rolls it backwards as they pass. If I were a ref, I'd add 30 seconds on every time a player did that.

I do see a need for the dark arts but I prefer to see it them executed discreetly.

4-2 it was game over after 45 so I take a morsel of comfort that we've won the 2nd half. ok response
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Ad@m on November 01, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
It's a cliche but it just shows that you can't win games if you let 4 goals in.

We've gone from the best defence in the league to looking like the worst. Southampton haven't had to be very good to beat us today and that's the most annoying part.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:54:58 PM
Tackle Mings!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 01, 2020, 01:55:04 PM
First penalty we’ve been given since January?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: jwarry on November 01, 2020, 01:55:22 PM
McGinn extremely poor

I agree, surprised Conor hasn’t come on
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:55:51 PM
SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
McGinn extremely poor

I agree, surprised Conor hasn’t come on

He’ll start next game for Barkley or Luiz is my guess
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:56:06 PM
I don't like Barkley. He is lazy and unfit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 01, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Goal!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2020, 01:56:38 PM
FT
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 01:56:38 PM
Wish we hadn’t conceded that fucking 4th now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on November 01, 2020, 01:56:52 PM
Wow what a goal.....pity😥
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on November 01, 2020, 01:56:54 PM
I guess it’s too little too late now?

Surely we can’t 4-4 with the last kick of the game?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: WilliamStanding on November 01, 2020, 01:57:28 PM
Yet he looked like a world beater his first two games.

Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on November 01, 2020, 01:58:27 PM
Blimey what an end to the game. Credit to the lads for not giving up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Rory on November 01, 2020, 01:58:50 PM

Yeah, I hate all forms of time-wasting, whoever does it. Equally annoying is when a team put the ball down ready for a free kick and some opposition prick kicks or rolls it backwards as they pass. If I were a ref, I'd add 30 seconds on every time a player did that.

I do see a need for the dark arts but I prefer to see it them executed discreetly.


For me, eating up tine should be done by keeping the ball. Whether that's taking it to the corner or passing it round in defence (not that watching us try that is ever comfortable). When the ball isn't in play it just doesn't sit right with me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on November 01, 2020, 01:59:12 PM
Yet he looked like a world beater his first two games.



You always reply too late, so there are other messages between the initial post and the one you want to troll. And your trolling effect is hugely diluted.

I really enjoy that about you!
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
Yet he looked like a world beater his first two games.
Who boss man?
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on November 01, 2020, 02:00:45 PM
I'm not sure how it was 6 minutes of stoppage time, we lost a minute whilst they argued with the ref about the pen and then we scored twice and he blew up at 96.53 should've bene at least another minute of play there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa vs Southampton Match Thread
Post by: WilliamStanding on November 01, 2020, 02:30:37 PM
Yet he looked like a world beater his first two games.
Who boss man?

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