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Title: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Towser on October 21, 2020, 09:15:26 AM
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Upload your photo to your Ticketing account

We hope you are well - we're missing you at Villa Park.

While we are planning and preparing for your safe return whenever possible in line with government guidelines (see full update here) you can get match ticket ready by uploading your photo to your ticket account.

As part of our coronavirus safety features, all supporters will now need to a provide photo ID to gain entry. This is to help ensure government guidelines on social distancing are being maintained when it is possible to welcome you back to Villa Park.

Uploading your photo can be done online at tickets.avfc.co.uk, or through the Aston Villa app after clicking on ‘Tickets’.

You will not be able to purchase tickets without a valid Photo ID, so it is critical that you follow our handy guide to get your photo attached to your Ticketing Account.

Thank you as always for your support, we look forward to welcoming you back when it is safe and possible to do so.
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Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Clampy on October 21, 2020, 10:21:19 AM
Someone on Twitter has asked if you can upload two photo's to one ID has his wife sometimes goes when he can't.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: UK Redsox on October 21, 2020, 10:25:17 AM
Someone on Twitter has asked if you can upload two photo's to one ID has his wife sometimes goes when he can't.

There's probably something in the small print about tickets being non-transferable
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: AV82EC on October 21, 2020, 10:28:13 AM
Why is my yoghurt knitting Sandal wearing liberal alarm sounding? Is Purslow going down the facial recognition route? Or am I reading too much into it.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: chrisw1 on October 21, 2020, 10:29:51 AM
Why is my yoghurt knitting Sandal wearing liberal alarm sounding? Is Purslow going down the facial recognition route? Or am I reading too much into it.
You're reading too much into it.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 21, 2020, 11:33:27 AM
Why is my yoghurt knitting Sandal wearing liberal alarm sounding? Is Purslow going down the facial recognition route? Or am I reading too much into it.

They're just trying to ensure that no contestants from "The Chop' can get into Villa Park.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: olaftab on October 21, 2020, 11:38:39 AM
Why is my yoghurt knitting Sandal wearing liberal alarm sounding? Is Purslow going down the facial recognition route? Or am I reading too much into it.
You're reading too much into it.
AV82 You are not reading enough into it.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: exigo on October 21, 2020, 12:50:32 PM
It'll come in as a covid safety feature, but from the club's point of view it'll be a helpful way to clamp down on away ticket abuse.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: leylandalbion on October 21, 2020, 12:52:27 PM
Right thing to do.  If they do let 10k in at some point there will be a massive clamour so it will stop people getting selected and selling on
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: CT on October 21, 2020, 01:16:33 PM
We have three or four games a season where we can’t go so we always give them to someone else to use just for those games.

Will the people on the turnstiles be checking photos like passport control?

All this seems very sudden considering the outlook of getting back to games is very bleak at best.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Drummond on October 21, 2020, 02:25:29 PM
I think this is all about proving who is at the game or at the least proving who bought the tickets. Which means tracing people is easier and the clubs can evidence to the government that they are indeed doing everything they can.

The technology won't be there to do a check on arrival nor will the man(person)power.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Gary Penrice on October 21, 2020, 03:45:50 PM
I'm sure I'll be corrected but I can't think of another industry where I have to provide photo ID to purchase tickets  so I'll give it a miss thanks.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: London Villan on October 21, 2020, 03:51:19 PM
I bet it is something they’ve wanted to do for years and now there is a legitimate reason. I hope you’ll be able to transfer/upgrade kids tickets still...
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 21, 2020, 04:06:15 PM
I'm sure I'll be corrected but I can't think of another industry where I have to provide photo ID to purchase tickets  so I'll give it a miss thanks.

Glastonbury these days.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: wozwebs on October 21, 2020, 04:08:51 PM
Yes, Glastonbury has had this for years. Stopped the touts in their tracks. It works well to be honest, been last 5 times. Those reluctant to do this - you do realise they know your seat and row number anyway and have extensive CCTV in the ground so could pick you out anyway. Only thing it will do is stop you letting a mate borrow your season card if you can't go to the game.

it's all pretty incidental anyway as can't see us getting back in there for a good while yet unfortunately :(
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2020, 04:11:58 PM
Yes, Glastonbury has had this for years. Stopped the touts in their tracks. It works well to be honest, been last 5 times. Those reluctant to do this - you do realise they know your seat and row number anyway and have extensive CCTV in the ground so could pick you out anyway. Only thing it will do is stop you letting a mate borrow your season card if you can't go to the game.

it's all pretty incidental anyway as can't see us getting back in there for a good while yet unfortunately :(

At Glastonbury it's to stop touts because there's always a massive demand exceeding supply. Villa Park isn't like that; there's no reason why this measure should be introduced long term.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: wozwebs on October 21, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
Agreed, lets hope it's a temporary measure but once something has been implemented...
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: PeterWithe on October 21, 2020, 04:34:13 PM
Those reluctant to do this - you do realise they know your seat and row number anyway and have extensive CCTV in the ground so could pick you out anyway. Only thing it will do is stop you letting a mate borrow your season card if you can't go to the game.

That sounds like a pretty convincing argument not to give them a photo.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 21, 2020, 04:49:00 PM
I can see the reasoning now, if they want people inside the ground then they have to be able to say that the person sat in a certain place was definitely the person they've got on their track & trace list, and the rocking horse shit ticket hasn't been passed/sold to A.N.Onymous.

Post-covid, I can't see a single positive reason why it would be beneficial to the club. Empty seats, reduced matchday revenue, both negatives.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 21, 2020, 05:30:37 PM
Fucking ID cards, I thought this shit got chased off in the eighties? Load of bollocks. And, come to think of it, I still haven't had my  season ticket money back.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: chrisw1 on October 21, 2020, 05:33:11 PM
I'm sure I'll be corrected but I can't think of another industry where I have to provide photo ID to purchase tickets  so I'll give it a miss thanks.
You'd rather not go to a game than have photo ID?

Where would you draw the line - a gym membership card? hiring a car? go on holiday?

I'm not saying it's a great idea long term, but if it helps them quickly get approval of their Covid precautions then I really struggle to understand why people are so against this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 21, 2020, 05:34:31 PM
I don't see any reason why this helps with Covid. It seems like a back door way of preventing people passing their season ticket to their mate when they're on holiday. Stop treating fans like hooligans when they've done nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: andyh on October 21, 2020, 05:51:47 PM
It takes ages to get in the ground as it is.
If they bring in ID checks with all the shenanigans that will bring, you’ll have to get to the ground an hour before kick off.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2020, 05:53:01 PM
I'm sure I'll be corrected but I can't think of another industry where I have to provide photo ID to purchase tickets  so I'll give it a miss thanks.
You'd rather not go to a game than have photo ID?

Where would you draw the line - a gym membership card? hiring a car? go on holiday?

I'm not saying it's a great idea long term, but if it helps them quickly get approval of their Covid precautions then I really struggle to understand why people are so against this sort of thing.

Hiring a car means being in charge of tens of thousands of pounds worth of machinery. It's a bit different to wanting to watch Villa v Fulham.Where would you draw the line? Going to the cinema? Walking into Tesco? Being stopped in the street by a policeman demanding to see your papers?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 21, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
I've paid to go to Glastonbury, been paid to go to Glastonbury and climbed under the fence. The latter always yielded the best results.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: PeterWithe on October 21, 2020, 05:56:08 PM
I really struggle to understand why people are so against this sort of thing.

Thin end of the wedge. If there isn't a good reason to give people your personal info then I'm against it. They already have my seat number, name, address phone, email, DOB, shopping habits, childrens names, mates names, former addresses. Asking for a photo seems to be pushing it a bit.

I'd perhaps sell them one.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: London Villan on October 21, 2020, 05:58:14 PM
In gyms and casinos they have screens behind the counter at reception. I cant see them installing screens at every turnstile.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 21, 2020, 07:10:18 PM
So I can’t lend my Dad my season ticket for a game I can’t attend? He has followed Villa since he came from Ireland just after the FA Cup win, through the 3rd Division and back, got me and my sister our first season tickets and now although he’s 81, whenever me, my son, my sister and her lads can’t make a game Grandad goes, very unhappy with this, if I have read it correct.

I am presumed a ticket tout Villa ?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 21, 2020, 07:18:11 PM
Fucking ID cards, I thought this shit got chased off in the eighties? Load of bollocks.
My first thought when I saw the e-mail.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 21, 2020, 07:46:56 PM
Wonder if they'll require a photo ID with a mask on :)
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2020, 08:59:58 PM
Are we not taking the club at its word that it's just for anti-coronavirus measures?  If and when fans are allowed back, I expect it'll be about 25% capacity, so crowds taking ages to get in aren't going to be a problem.  Anybody hoping for a decent track and trace system as part of the plan to defeat the virus is going to have to get used to measures like this.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2020, 09:14:27 PM
Are we not taking the club at its word that it's just for anti-coronavirus measures?  If and when fans are allowed back, I expect it'll be about 25% capacity, so crowds taking ages to get in aren't going to be a problem.  Anybody hoping for a decent track and trace system as part of the plan to defeat the virus is going to have to get used to measures like this.

I'm a long way from thinking Bill Gates wants to stick a chip up my nose but the implications of this are concerning. Add clubs' desire to control every penny of their  supporters spending to the tried and tested methods of trailing police measures on football before unleashing them on the public and you get a combination that could never end. 
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: amfy on October 21, 2020, 09:31:26 PM
Which is weird because you are actually allowed to pas your season ticket on when you can’t use it.
I have openly done this loads of times. I ring the ticket office, tell them I can’t make it, & ask them to download me a paper ticket for a friend.
Give them that they have allowed this for years, I can’t see why the photo ID would be used for this reason.

I can see the point for away tickets, or for tickets at the moment when numbers are going to be really limited.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 21, 2020, 09:37:39 PM
It also will reinforce the increasing pattern, even if and when full crowds return, that unless you are lucky enough to be able to attend every away game, you'll find it virtually impossible to attend any. Which is shit.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 21, 2020, 09:43:09 PM
It seems to me to be yet another infringement that will be passed off as necessary and eventually be accepted as normal.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 21, 2020, 09:50:43 PM
I'm fine with this, I carry photo ID with me at all times anyway.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 21, 2020, 09:54:12 PM
Do not see how it helps with track and trace at all. The track and trace system like most things this Govt to are defunct, but even so how’s photo Id going to help? If and when we’re let back in, they have the track and trace QR codes in every section of the ground presumably, if someone on my row tests positive they can contact everyone in that vicinity of the ground.
This sounds like a means of control and monitoring way beyond Covid.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 21, 2020, 09:54:58 PM
Next to no chance of me getting a ticket with 25% capacity (was hard enough last season) so not too concerned but yeah feels like one of those things that will be hailed as a success by club a few months after launching and will contrinue when the crisis is over.

Interested how it would work for general sale games in future. That won't be premier league for quite a while but a cup tie v lower league will also have a few empty seats so I assume just the person who gets the tickets will need the ID like just one person has to track and trace going into a pub?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2020, 10:21:28 PM
People rightly say the response to the coronavirus has been shit, but then get all angsty when some mild infringement of perceived liberties is involved.  In South Korea, they track people's credit card spending to see where they've been if they test positive.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Drummond on October 21, 2020, 11:17:49 PM
Has anyone else had the email? I've not, though I'm not a season ticket holder.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Drummond on October 21, 2020, 11:20:13 PM
People rightly say the response to the coronavirus has been shit, but then get all angsty when some mild infringement of perceived liberties is involved.  In South Korea, they track people's credit card spending to see where they've been if they test positive.

I've ditched the NHS app. Purely because the police are allowed access to the info. I've nothing to hide, but the principle is wrong.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: AV82EC on October 21, 2020, 11:29:43 PM
People rightly say the response to the coronavirus has been shit, but then get all angsty when some mild infringement of perceived liberties is involved.  In South Korea, they track people's credit card spending to see where they've been if they test positive.

It’s the thin end of a very shitty wedge though Riss. I’m all for the club gearing up for post Covid access and the measures that will be needed but I’d like to know what my data is going to be used for after that? I realise in the grand scheme of things it’s not that important and there are safety/security issues the club needs to comply with but there needs to be balance and the club needs to display its observing that balance.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: sid1964 on October 22, 2020, 08:00:07 AM
i remember many years ago if you wanted to be a member of the travellers club - you had to provide a photo

I am really against this idea - is the only reason for COV-id? - surely they cannot tell if you have the disease by looking at your photo - i think I will provide one of me when I was 21 (I am now 56), i looked a lot better in photos then.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Scratchins on October 22, 2020, 08:43:12 AM
I wonder if a condition of reopening will be that everyone who has been in the ground can be traced.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Nev on October 22, 2020, 08:57:24 AM
If there is an argument with regards to Covid management then I don't have an issue, however if it continues beyond that it will certainly be a negative rather than anything positive.

The genuine exchange of tickets amongst fans has gone on for years without any real issue and to restrict this will discourage so many casual and potential supporters who have their mates ticket, a kids ticket etc and end up being hooked and coming more often.

Some concert promoters and bands introduced something similar where the principal purchaser had to produce photo ID upon entry and be accompanied by the people they had purchased for, however, everyone didn't need photo ID. This, of course, was a response to touting and re-selling websites and was generally welcomed, allied to the fact that there are far fewer instances when an artist plays live than there are football matches featuring your team.

Iron Maiden did it and I bought my ID with me when they played the NIA a couple of years ago.

It was never requested at the door....
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2020, 09:35:59 AM
If there is an argument with regards to Covid management then I don't have an issue, however if it continues beyond that it will certainly be a negative rather than anything positive.


I think that's my take on it as well.  They've said that it's a covid measure, and at this point I'm prepared to believe them.  And as I'm desperate to get back to a live game, I've uploaded my photo ready for if we ever do get let back in.  There would be no good reason for it to continue after that though. 


I don't think it would work after that anyway though.  I had four season tickets last year, what are they going to do, print my ugly mug on all four of them?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2020, 09:55:14 AM
I'm not sure how it works as a Covid measure? Unless the argument is that it makes it easier to identify and ban those breaking the rules, in which case the arguments against would be exactly the same as those against ID cards.

Furthermore, say you want to buy a ticket as a present for someone, or surprise someone by taking them to their first game. How do you do that if you have to get them to pose for a photo first?

I hope the club reconsider this nonsense.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 22, 2020, 10:03:50 AM
If we get back in soon, pre-vaccine, it'll be at a massively reduced capacity, and it will be relatively easy to verify in the turnstile area that you are in fact the person on the data base that they have accurate tracking information for.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2020, 10:09:10 AM
I'm not sure how it works as a Covid measure? Unless the argument is that it makes it easier to identify and ban those breaking the rules, in which case the arguments against would be exactly the same as those against ID cards.

Furthermore, say you want to buy a ticket as a present for someone, or surprise someone by taking them to their first game. How do you do that if you have to get them to pose for a photo first?

I hope the club reconsider this nonsense.

It's going to be a ballot of existing season ticket holders if we do get back in, so the scenario you describe won't be allowed to happen I think.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: chrisw1 on October 22, 2020, 10:32:59 AM
I guess when they'll be trying to seat people in Covid bubbles, the idea that tickets should not be transferrable is one of the measures they need to be able to prove they are following.  Having photo id's will discourage people from transferring tickets which could breach these measures.  I've no problem with that if it helps get as many fans as possible back in the ground as soon as possible.

I agree that I can't see any need for it in the future when we are back to normality.  With that said it wouldn't really bother me personally if my photo was on my ticket or not - it would never be policed at the turnstyle unless facial recognition was brought in and I don't think the club would dare consider that.  I've seen people in their 20's borrow a senior citizen ticket and still get in with no problem, so some tiny grainy photo is hardly likely to be getting people stopped at the turnstyle. 
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2020, 10:34:35 AM
I'm not sure how it works as a Covid measure? Unless the argument is that it makes it easier to identify and ban those breaking the rules, in which case the arguments against would be exactly the same as those against ID cards.

Furthermore, say you want to buy a ticket as a present for someone, or surprise someone by taking them to their first game. How do you do that if you have to get them to pose for a photo first?

I hope the club reconsider this nonsense.

It's going to be a ballot of existing season ticket holders if we do get back in, so the scenario you describe won't be allowed to happen I think.

I meant more long-term, when we are back at full capacity.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 22, 2020, 10:49:35 AM
From the Premier League (https://www.premierleague.com/news/1784733) website regarding the earlier Brighton trial
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- In line with the UK Government's track and trace, the named owner of the ticket must attend the match, with the transfer of tickets strictly forbidden.
- Named photographic ID must be shown on entry and must match the name on the ticket. Entry will not be permitted without your photo ID and match ticket being verified
which is admittedly different from the approach we're adopting, but I don't think there's grounds to suspect it's any kind of anti-libertarian clampdown. Yet, anyway.
The clubs already hold enough information to identify either any miscreants or those passing them tickets.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2020, 01:11:17 PM
I'm not sure how it works as a Covid measure? Unless the argument is that it makes it easier to identify and ban those breaking the rules, in which case the arguments against would be exactly the same as those against ID cards.

Furthermore, say you want to buy a ticket as a present for someone, or surprise someone by taking them to their first game. How do you do that if you have to get them to pose for a photo first?

I hope the club reconsider this nonsense.

It's going to be a ballot of existing season ticket holders if we do get back in, so the scenario you describe won't be allowed to happen I think.

I meant more long-term, when we are back at full capacity.

God knows when that will be though.  If they try to retain it when capacity returns to 100%, I'll join you at the barricades.  Until then though, it doesn't seem like a big ask.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 22, 2020, 01:19:34 PM
I can sort-of understand it at the moment but the suddenness with which it's been implemented and the lack of consultation is disturbing.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: chrisw1 on October 22, 2020, 01:34:06 PM
Maybe they're just trying to try get ahead whilst they have the staff and capacity to administer it.  They will be aware of the Brighton game requirements and may have been told this will be a pre-requisite for any future games during Covid. 

As for suddenness, I suppose they could have sent out a messgae saying at some point in the future we'll be asking for photos, but what would be the point?

Maybe I'm naieve and it's all part of some nefarious plot, but it doesn't feel like it to me.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Villa Lew on October 22, 2020, 01:52:19 PM
How about the older ST holders, who haven't got smart phones or laptops, and have no intention of getting one of them, what are they suppose to do?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 22, 2020, 02:12:10 PM
How about the older ST holders, who haven't got smart phones or laptops, and have no intention of getting one of them, what are they suppose to do?

They'll be got in touch with in the same way as normal and then go from there, I suppose. The club need a photo of you, that's all. I'd hope there's some provision whereby you can physically take one into or at the ticket office.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on October 22, 2020, 03:32:10 PM
I'm currently re-reading 1984 …..no reference to the Villa and Photo ID  thus far :)
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 22, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
I'm currently re-reading 1984 …..no reference to the Villa and Photo ID  thus far :)

Give it time, becomes a bit of a nightmare.

We lose in the League Cup semi-final.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2020, 04:55:13 PM
I'm not sure how it works as a Covid measure? Unless the argument is that it makes it easier to identify and ban those breaking the rules, in which case the arguments against would be exactly the same as those against ID cards.

Furthermore, say you want to buy a ticket as a present for someone, or surprise someone by taking them to their first game. How do you do that if you have to get them to pose for a photo first?

I hope the club reconsider this nonsense.

It's going to be a ballot of existing season ticket holders if we do get back in, so the scenario you describe won't be allowed to happen I think.

I meant more long-term, when we are back at full capacity.

God knows when that will be though.  If they try to retain it when capacity returns to 100%, I'll join you at the barricades.  Until then though, it doesn't seem like a big ask.

There is no way they would introduce it then do away with it. I bet you a million pounds it will still be in place if and when we are at full capacity again (of Woodhall's money, I'm skint).
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 22, 2020, 05:11:01 PM
But to what end? They'd be worse off both financially and in support from the stands.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: colin69 on October 22, 2020, 05:52:16 PM
Oh for the good old days of paying at the turnstile with cash and a mobile phone was a thing from a science fiction film.
I’ve had the email and I’m not keen on providing a photo to be honest.


Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2020, 07:44:50 PM

There is no way they would introduce it then do away with it. I bet you a million pounds it will still be in place if and when we are at full capacity again (of Woodhall's money, I'm skint).

I think you're wrong.  It's going to increase entry times, which obviously they can live with if capacity is reduced by 25%.  If it was full capacity, it would make getting everybody in a nightmare, for no real benefit.  With covid still being a thing, it's going to be a lottery for the chance to buy tickets, and they'll want to know and demonstrate to the authorities that the people who end up with the tickets to come in are the actual people who turn up.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2020, 08:37:59 PM
Why would the authorities care who turns up, so long as they're social distancing?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Gary Penrice on October 22, 2020, 08:38:57 PM
It seems to me to be yet another infringement that will be passed off as necessary and eventually be accepted as normal.

Absolutely bang on the money!
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2020, 08:41:01 PM
Why would the authorities care who turns up, so long as they're social distancing?

Because it makes tracing people easier if the people who say they are there are actually the ones who go.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2020, 08:45:02 PM
There is already an existing app for that. Pubs are not making people obtain photo ID to use their premises, football clubs don't need to.

This is ID cards by the back door.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 22, 2020, 08:47:25 PM
There is already an existing app for that. Pubs are not making people obtain photo ID to use their premises, football clubs don't need to.

This is ID cards by the back door.

Is correct, you don’t need a photo to check in with NHS track and trace.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 22, 2020, 08:49:55 PM
There is already an existing app for that. Pubs are not making people obtain photo ID to use their premises, football clubs don't need to.

This is ID cards by the back door.

Is correct, you don’t need a photo to check in with NHS track and trace.

But there is no dynamic which would make people want to use normal track and trace whilst masquerading as someone else.

There quite clearly is when you're dealing with football grounds with a few thousand in rather than fifty thousand. For a start there is a massive market right there for touting tickets.

Amazed so many people struggling with this.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 22, 2020, 08:52:14 PM
I went in the local library not long back and they do track and trace. No photo ID needed there. Same as pubs as already mentioned and loads of other places.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 22, 2020, 08:54:22 PM
Maybe I'm being overly paranoid, but I've seen too many attempts to register and control football supporters not to be suspicious of anything like this.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 22, 2020, 08:56:31 PM
I went in the local library not long back and they do track and trace. No photo ID needed there. Same as pubs as already mentioned and loads of other places.

Anyone tried to sell you a ticket at 10x face value to get into your library or pub because the numbers are limited?

That is exactly what will happen for football matches - something you used to sell 40,000 tickets for every game and suddenly you can only sell 2,000 - basic economics, the tickets, if transferrable, would start changing hands at massive mark up.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 22, 2020, 09:01:06 PM
Yeah I can imagine the queue of people willing to pay 400 for Villa v Brighton.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 22, 2020, 09:03:09 PM
There is already an existing app for that. Pubs are not making people obtain photo ID to use their premises, football clubs don't need to.

This is ID cards by the back door.

Is correct, you don’t need a photo to check in with NHS track and trace.

But there is no dynamic which would make people want to use normal track and trace whilst masquerading as someone else.

There quite clearly is when you're dealing with football grounds with a few thousand in rather than fifty thousand. For a start there is a massive market right there for touting tickets.

Amazed so many people struggling with this.

So with a reduced capacity of season ticket holders the club has picked logs in with track and trace, you know if the right people have been, unless of course the ticket owner sells their ticket and lends them their phone as well. If you don’t have a phone you can register another way. I don’t like the implication that I am guilty of being a ticket tout because I am a ST holder.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2020, 09:24:21 PM
Maybe I'm being overly paranoid, but I've seen too many attempts to register and control football supporters not to be suspicious of anything like this.

I think they've got slightly bigger fish to fry these days to be honest.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 22, 2020, 09:31:53 PM
There is already an existing app for that. Pubs are not making people obtain photo ID to use their premises, football clubs don't need to.

This is ID cards by the back door.

Is correct, you don’t need a photo to check in with NHS track and trace.

But there is no dynamic which would make people want to use normal track and trace whilst masquerading as someone else.

There quite clearly is when you're dealing with football grounds with a few thousand in rather than fifty thousand. For a start there is a massive market right there for touting tickets.

Amazed so many people struggling with this.

So with a reduced capacity of season ticket holders the club has picked logs in with track and trace, you know if the right people have been, unless of course the ticket owner sells their ticket and lends them their phone as well. If you don’t have a phone you can register another way. I don’t like the implication that I am guilty of being a ticket tout because I am a ST holder.

The club wouldn't have the track & trace data, it's anonymous and it's not retained by the venue.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2020, 09:33:32 PM
Hopefully as many tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists as possible don't upload a photo, thus increasing everybody else's chance of getting a ticket in the ballot!
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2020, 09:48:07 PM
I went in the local library not long back and they do track and trace. No photo ID needed there. Same as pubs as already mentioned and loads of other places.

Anyone tried to sell you a ticket at 10x face value to get into your library or pub because the numbers are limited?

That is exactly what will happen for football matches - something you used to sell 40,000 tickets for every game and suddenly you can only sell 2,000 - basic economics, the tickets, if transferrable, would start changing hands at massive mark up.

It isn't about touting. From the actual email...

"As part of our coronavirus safety features, all supporters will now need to a provide photo ID to gain entry. This is to help ensure government guidelines on social distancing are being maintained when it is possible to welcome you back to Villa Park."

They are claiming it is to do with Covid despite, so far as I can see, no other establishment taking similar preventative measures.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2020, 09:55:14 PM
The fans at the Brighton test friendly game had to have photo ID and only the named ticket holder was allowed in.  This is clearly just following on from that.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Ben.H on October 22, 2020, 10:30:06 PM
https://ask.tottenhamhotspur.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016386499-ID-Validation-and-Season-Ticket-Amnesty-FAQs (https://ask.tottenhamhotspur.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016386499-ID-Validation-and-Season-Ticket-Amnesty-FAQs)

It's not just us, I bet every club will have to do it.  The FAQs on this are interesting.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2020, 10:47:42 PM
The Spurs requirements seem a lot more onerous. A copy of your passport rather than just a smartphone selfie.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2020, 11:07:59 PM
Insisting on a valid passport (for non-drivers) when lots of people won't have bothered to renew their passports seems particularly stupid. Also, if you have thousands of people carrying passports in their back pockets there is a chance some will go missing or get nicked. Are you then banned from attending games until a new one comes through?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 22, 2020, 11:16:24 PM
The most obvious FAQ isn't answered  - how long will this be in operation for?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 22, 2020, 11:17:14 PM
Veering slightly off topic, I do like the spuds Ticket Share facility. https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/tickets/ticket-share/
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: sid1964 on October 23, 2020, 07:48:10 AM
Talking to a Wolves fan who is a season ticket holder - they have not yet been asked to provide a photo  -  they have been asked who is in there "group" (who they attend games with)
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 23, 2020, 08:18:06 AM
Talking to a Wolves fan who is a season ticket holder - they have not yet been asked to provide a photo  -  they have been asked who is in there "group" (who they attend games with)

Should reduced numbers of us be allowed in, I do hope it's groups entered into any ballot rather than everyone as an individual. As much as I want to go back, I don't really want to go on my own.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 23, 2020, 08:35:58 AM
We need to send a photo so that we can be identified when we present our ticket at the turnstyle? But won’t we all be wearing a mask when we get to the turnstyles? Or does the photo we submit have to be one where we’re wearing a mask?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: PeterWithe on October 23, 2020, 09:14:07 AM
I know a few people who buy a ST whos kids share it, some go one week, some the next. This would stop this happening I guess?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2020, 09:23:15 AM
Yeah I used to sit by a lady and one of her two sons, as the the two boys would take it in turns as one worked weekends the other worked nights. It worked well for them to share a ticket. This would stop some arrangement like that.

They are causing inconvenience to lots of fans for no benefit that I can see. Did they even consult with the Trust before coming out with these ideas?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 23, 2020, 09:37:58 AM
The blurb on the site says that it'll be used on e-tickets, no mention whatsoever of it being used with physical tickets or cards.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2020, 09:41:39 AM
Yeah I used to sit by a lady and one of her two sons, as the the two boys would take it in turns as one worked weekends the other worked nights. It worked well for them to share a ticket. This would stop some arrangement like that.

They are causing inconvenience to lots of fans for no benefit that I can see. Did they even consult with the Trust before coming out with these ideas?

BUT IT'S FOR COVID WHEN CAPACITY IS GOING TO BE DRASTICALLY REDUCED, NOT FOR THE SCENARIO YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED!!!111

And why on earth would they consult with the Trust?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 23, 2020, 10:00:36 AM
With this and the ppv debate, it's coming across as there's a lot of people seemingly hell bent on doing their utmost to make sure they don't watch the Villa for as long as humanly possible.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: AV82EC on October 23, 2020, 10:10:23 AM
Yeah I used to sit by a lady and one of her two sons, as the the two boys would take it in turns as one worked weekends the other worked nights. It worked well for them to share a ticket. This would stop some arrangement like that.

They are causing inconvenience to lots of fans for no benefit that I can see. Did they even consult with the Trust before coming out with these ideas?

BUT IT'S FOR COVID WHEN CAPACITY IS GOING TO BE DRASTICALLY REDUCED, NOT FOR THE SCENARIO YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED!!!111

And why on earth would they consult with the Trust?

I don't know seems like good management and leadership to consult with your largest and most important stakeholders i.e us the supporters.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2020, 10:10:37 AM
If people don't want to comply with the ID requirements, they don't have to, and it'll increase the chances of somebody else getting a ticket in the ballot.  Win win.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2020, 10:12:42 AM
I don't know seems like good management and leadership to consult with your largest and most important stakeholders i.e us the supporters.

I'd normally agree if it was about the choice of pies or anything else that affects the normal match day experience.  But this isn't normal, and clubs are obviously having to demonstrate to the government that they're going above and beyond if there's going to be any chance of having even a few thousand fans let in.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: AV82EC on October 23, 2020, 10:17:41 AM
I don't know seems like good management and leadership to consult with your largest and most important stakeholders i.e us the supporters.

I'd normally agree if it was about the choice of pies or anything else that affects the normal match day experience.  But this isn't normal, and clubs are obviously having to demonstrate to the government that they're going above and beyond if there's going to be any chance of having even a few thousand fans let in.

But it does affect the match going experience Risso as I'm being asked to do something I wouldn't normally have to. I totally accept the club has to do something and have no objection on the basis it helps with Covid compliance but a bit more consultation for me that as someone said earlier this isn't the thin end of the wedge and ID cards by the back door and I'm happy.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Clampy on October 23, 2020, 10:21:13 AM
I'm not sure where the Trust come into it either. Besides, it's not as if the club hasn't consulted with fans. There was a survey sent out regarding returning to football matches a while back.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Chris Smith on October 23, 2020, 10:21:48 AM
The majority of the adult population carry photo ID every day with little complaint.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: PeterWithe on October 23, 2020, 10:47:11 AM
Yeah I used to sit by a lady and one of her two sons, as the the two boys would take it in turns as one worked weekends the other worked nights. It worked well for them to share a ticket. This would stop some arrangement like that.

They are causing inconvenience to lots of fans for no benefit that I can see. Did they even consult with the Trust before coming out with these ideas?

BUT IT'S FOR COVID WHEN CAPACITY IS GOING TO BE DRASTICALLY REDUCED, NOT FOR THE SCENARIO YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED!!!111

And why on earth would they consult with the Trust?

If boy A's name and photo was on the ST and was pulled out of the ballot but it wasnt his turn to go, Boy B could no longer attend.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 23, 2020, 10:47:39 AM
We're talking about a business whose current idea of 'using technology' is having someone draw lines on a telly. I reckon they're about 109 years away from having anything capable of performing facial recognition at a turnstile, and as far again from coming up with a reason as to why it's beneficial to them. Unless of course they decide to row back all the work of the last three decades in turning a visit to the football back from the pleasant family event it's become to the Stasi-dodging crumbling East Germany visit it often felt like before, just for the hell of it.

I can see people's arguments, but for the life of me I can't connect those objections to any benefit for the club.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 23, 2020, 10:50:30 AM
I'm not sure where the Trust come into it either. Besides, it's not as if the club hasn't consulted with fans. There was a survey sent out regarding returning to football matches a while back.

The consultation didn't mention photo id, and get haven't spoken to the consultation group which they set up.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 23, 2020, 10:52:26 AM
Whenever I think of ID cards and football I think of that little twat, Colin Moynihan. There’s no reason at all why photo I.D. Should be a requirement to watch a football match.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2020, 10:57:54 AM
Whenever I think of ID cards and football I think of that little twat, Colin Moynihan. There’s no reason at all why photo I.D. Should be a requirement to watch a football match.

I'd agree under normal circumstances, but then there is a global pandemic and all that.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2020, 11:06:48 AM
Yeah I used to sit by a lady and one of her two sons, as the the two boys would take it in turns as one worked weekends the other worked nights. It worked well for them to share a ticket. This would stop some arrangement like that.

They are causing inconvenience to lots of fans for no benefit that I can see. Did they even consult with the Trust before coming out with these ideas?

BUT IT'S FOR COVID WHEN CAPACITY IS GOING TO BE DRASTICALLY REDUCED, NOT FOR THE SCENARIO YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED!!!111

And why on earth would they consult with the Trust?

When capacity is reduced the same people I mentioned will still want to split which matches they attend. It will only be season ticket holders who can apply, one brother will still presumably only be able to attend midweek games and one weekend games. Whether they're attending nineteen home games or four, the same principal applies.

And it won't just be for Covid, will it? Can you point me to the section of the email that mentions deleting photo details once we are at full capacity?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2020, 11:07:59 AM
Whenever I think of ID cards and football I think of that little twat, Colin Moynihan. There’s no reason at all why photo I.D. Should be a requirement to watch a football match.

I'd agree under normal circumstances, but then there is a global pandemic and all that.

Can someone tell the World's governments that taking a photo is the cure? They've been wasting everyone's time pissing about trying to find a vaccine.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
As I say, just don't do it, and don't go to the matches then.  It really is no skin off my nose.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2020, 12:21:23 PM
It's fine if it's a way of getting fans back more quickly. If it's an ongoing requirement then that's a huge issue as far as I'm concerned.

However, it does still suggest that football fans can't be trusted. If tickets have to be bought online say, or via telephone, then bank details (or card details) have to be provided to make payment then asking for an address  at the same time should be enough. As it would be when booking a ticket for the theatre, or going to the pub.

It's not a massive inconvenience, but a concerning one.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2020, 12:22:22 PM
As I say, just don't do it, and don't go to the matches then.  It really is no skin off my nose.

You quoted me and I replied, no need to go all sulky drawers.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: leylandalbion on October 23, 2020, 12:22:29 PM
Yeah I used to sit by a lady and one of her two sons, as the the two boys would take it in turns as one worked weekends the other worked nights. It worked well for them to share a ticket. This would stop some arrangement like that.

They are causing inconvenience to lots of fans for no benefit that I can see. Did they even consult with the Trust before coming out with these ideas?

BUT IT'S FOR COVID WHEN CAPACITY IS GOING TO BE DRASTICALLY REDUCED, NOT FOR THE SCENARIO YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED!!!111

And why on earth would they consult with the Trust?

If boy A's name and photo was on the ST and was pulled out of the ballot but it wasnt his turn to go, Boy B could no longer attend.
I think the club has confirmed that U14 do not need a photo.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2020, 12:23:26 PM
To clarify, the "boys" in question were both in their 20s/30s.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Ads on October 23, 2020, 12:26:08 PM
They can have a nude if they want, as long as they let me in.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: leylandalbion on October 23, 2020, 12:31:14 PM
To clarify, the "boys" in question were both in their 20s/30s.

It must only be me that sends their kids on night shift...apologies re-read thread! Maybe  half and half id card should be introduced akin to the scarves...
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2020, 12:33:16 PM
Maybe a hologrammatic photo so it looks like one brother from a certain angle but the other if you tilt it? I'll phone the club to suggest.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: CT on October 23, 2020, 01:13:49 PM
They can have a nude if they want, as long as they let me in.

They may want proof at the turnstile that it's you!
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: UK Redsox on October 23, 2020, 02:32:08 PM
The great James Carville talks about additional security measures

"Go measure my penis and let me get on the airplane"

Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: chrisw1 on October 23, 2020, 03:05:07 PM
Seriously, if the club having a photo of you on record upsets you so much you can't have that many things to worry about in real life.  It's almost like some people like to find things to moan about.

I understand the transferring of tickets argument at some point in the future, but you can already get a prtint out ticket to pass on so I'm not sure why people are panicking even if (and it's a big IF) the club did decide to roll this out long term.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 23, 2020, 03:32:51 PM
Seriously, if the club having a photo of you on record upsets you so much you can't have that many things to worry about in real life.  It's almost like some people like to find things to moan about.

I understand the transferring of tickets argument at some point in the future, but you can already get a prtint out ticket to pass on so I'm not sure why people are panicking even if (and it's a big IF) the club did decide to roll this out long term.

I take it that you won't mind being reminded of this every time you complain about anything at the Villa again, ever?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 23, 2020, 03:38:56 PM
I reckon the half'n'half scarf sellers won't be best pleased about this.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: darren woolley on October 23, 2020, 05:59:58 PM
I've just uploaded my photo.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: PeterWithe on October 23, 2020, 06:11:06 PM
I've just uploaded my photo.

You've sold out to The Man.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: PeterWithe on October 23, 2020, 06:14:26 PM
Seriously, if the club having a photo of you on record upsets you so much you can't have that many things to worry about in real life.  It's almost like some people like to find things to moan about.

I understand the transferring of tickets argument at some point in the future, but you can already get a prtint out ticket to pass on so I'm not sure why people are panicking even if (and it's a big IF) the club did decide to roll this out long term.

Your personal data is a valuable commodity, why do the club need to have a photo? truth is they dont.

This is thin end of the wedge stuff, they really dont need  a photo of any us to conduct business so it should be resisted.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 23, 2020, 06:40:25 PM
Then why do they want one?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: exigo on October 23, 2020, 06:51:30 PM
There are a raft of people who are abusing the away ticket scheme, buying tickets to keep up their booking history, and to keep their privileges getting access to future tickets. The club know this, they've sent out various warnings, and tried to tweak the system to minimise it.

The post-covid world will require some sort of track and trace to allow fans back in. So it's being forced on all clubs for home games. But, clubs will also see it as a useful way to stop away ticket abuse.

So, get used to it. But also see it as an opportunity to improve fairness and access to away games longer term.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: chrisw1 on October 23, 2020, 07:45:20 PM
Seriously, if the club having a photo of you on record upsets you so much you can't have that many things to worry about in real life.  It's almost like some people like to find things to moan about.

I understand the transferring of tickets argument at some point in the future, but you can already get a prtint out ticket to pass on so I'm not sure why people are panicking even if (and it's a big IF) the club did decide to roll this out long term.

I take it that you won't mind being reminded of this every time you complain about anything at the Villa again, ever?
Not if I'm complaining about something that doesn't really impact on me or my experience in any meaningful way, no Dave.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 23, 2020, 07:58:47 PM
Seriously, if the club having a photo of you on record upsets you so much you can't have that many things to worry about in real life.  It's almost like some people like to find things to moan about.

I understand the transferring of tickets argument at some point in the future, but you can already get a prtint out ticket to pass on so I'm not sure why people are panicking even if (and it's a big IF) the club did decide to roll this out long term.

I take it that you won't mind being reminded of this every time you complain about anything at the Villa again, ever?
Not if I'm complaining about something that doesn't really impact on me or my experience in any meaningful way, no Dave.

Let's see.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 23, 2020, 08:16:31 PM
Why would the authorities care who turns up, so long as they're social distancing?

I am not picking on you, but I am genuinely absolutely amazed you have to ask this question. It's like you've never heard of contact tracing.

Are you Dido Harding? ;-)

It's a significant risk to have people back in stadiums in the first place, and also in a scenario where there is going to be a lot of money flying around for tickets on the black market and therefore amn extremely elevated risk that the people you think are there are actually not the people there if they do need to contact trace, thereby rendering the tracing pointless.

Football needs to prove it can effectively trace in the case of outbreaks, this seems entirely reasonable as a way of doing this.

Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: itbrvilla on October 23, 2020, 08:38:41 PM
Cash is superb

Edit.... Er wrong thread...
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 23, 2020, 08:39:22 PM
Cash is superb

I prefer it to buying tickets by card.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2020, 10:03:42 PM
Why would the authorities care who turns up, so long as they're social distancing?

I am not picking on you, but I am genuinely absolutely amazed you have to ask this question. It's like you've never heard of contact tracing.

Are you Dido Harding? ;-)

It's a significant risk to have people back in stadiums in the first place, and also in a scenario where there is going to be a lot of money flying around for tickets on the black market and therefore amn extremely elevated risk that the people you think are there are actually not the people there if they do need to contact trace, thereby rendering the tracing pointless.

Football needs to prove it can effectively trace in the case of outbreaks, this seems entirely reasonable as a way of doing this.

I've heard of contract tracing. You can do it without having your photo held on record. Same as they do everywhere else.

This is basically going to stop me ever attending any away game ever again and people wonder why I'm miffed?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: BC54 VFC on October 23, 2020, 10:51:18 PM
I'm with Chris on this one.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: chrisw1 on October 24, 2020, 10:41:48 AM
Why would the authorities care who turns up, so long as they're social distancing?

I am not picking on you, but I am genuinely absolutely amazed you have to ask this question. It's like you've never heard of contact tracing.

Are you Dido Harding? ;-)

It's a significant risk to have people back in stadiums in the first place, and also in a scenario where there is going to be a lot of money flying around for tickets on the black market and therefore amn extremely elevated risk that the people you think are there are actually not the people there if they do need to contact trace, thereby rendering the tracing pointless.

Football needs to prove it can effectively trace in the case of outbreaks, this seems entirely reasonable as a way of doing this.

I've heard of contract tracing. You can do it without having your photo held on record. Same as they do everywhere else.

This is basically going to stop me ever attending any away game ever again and people wonder why I'm miffed?
I doubt they'll run it out long term.  But even if they did then in my book controlling the sale of away tickets so people can't play the system by buying them to pass on to mates even when they can't attend to keep up their sales history and maintain a closed shop is a good thing.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2020, 10:44:18 AM
I've heard of contract tracing. You can do it without having your photo held on record. Same as they do everywhere else.

This is basically going to stop me ever attending any away game ever again and people wonder why I'm miffed?

They haven't even mentioned away games yet.  It's a measure that all clubs are having to introduce in the event that a small proportion of fans can be readmitted.  It can only work in those circumstances.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: in exile on October 26, 2020, 10:54:21 AM
Wholly unfair on disabled season ticket holders.
Some use two carers some use an agency to provide a carer for the game.
How is this going to work?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 26, 2020, 11:11:46 AM
Wholly unfair on disabled season ticket holders.
Some use two carers some use an agency to provide a carer for the game.
How is this going to work?

Maybe ask the club before declaring it unfair?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: in exile on October 26, 2020, 11:18:51 AM
Wholly unfair on disabled season ticket holders.
Some use two carers some use an agency to provide a carer for the game.
How is this going to work?

Maybe ask the club before declaring it unfair?
I have, and I have not yet had a reply.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: chrisw1 on October 26, 2020, 01:35:40 PM
Wholly unfair on disabled season ticket holders.
Some use two carers some use an agency to provide a carer for the game.
How is this going to work?

Maybe ask the club before declaring it unfair?
I have, and I have not yet had a reply.
Then how do you know it's wholly unfair?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 26, 2020, 02:31:14 PM
Why would the authorities care who turns up, so long as they're social distancing?

I am not picking on you, but I am genuinely absolutely amazed you have to ask this question. It's like you've never heard of contact tracing.

Are you Dido Harding? ;-)

It's a significant risk to have people back in stadiums in the first place, and also in a scenario where there is going to be a lot of money flying around for tickets on the black market and therefore amn extremely elevated risk that the people you think are there are actually not the people there if they do need to contact trace, thereby rendering the tracing pointless.

Football needs to prove it can effectively trace in the case of outbreaks, this seems entirely reasonable as a way of doing this.



Can't the club just refuse entry to anyone who scans the QR code which I presume will be stuck on the walls going into VP if it's not the phone that is registered with whoever originally purchased the ticket?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: chrisw1 on October 26, 2020, 03:01:55 PM
Surely that's even more complex than people just uploading a photo and even worse for people who don't do smartphones?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: andrew08 on October 26, 2020, 03:32:48 PM
A big chunk of this is control of away tickets I think. There is a significant amount of people picking and choosing games and either not using or selling on tickets in order to maintain booking history. I wouldn’t be surprised if eventually the whole day is controlled by the club in terms of travel as well as tickets. Covid gives the club the perfect opportunity to have 25 fans on 50 seater coaches all safe on a double seat each. £50 for the coach plus  a £30 ticket or even sucking up a loss on travel to create the precedent. As much as many would hate this the demand to travel to away games would still be there especially if we continue our upward trend.

Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: artvandelay on October 26, 2020, 03:39:50 PM
If the club wanted to control away tickets they could have done it already and have done in limited amounts. Simply require ticket collection at the away stadium upon presentation of Photo ID.

Man United have a much bigger problem with away ticket touting than we do, and they have had stewards bussed to away grounds to check people's tickets on entry and ask for ID/Season Ticket. According to FSF they've got absolutely no right for this info, and even if you do give it to them and it doesn't match, your 'home' club has no right to deny you entry to the 'away' stadium.

I really don't see why they'd bother using the photos which are obviously for COVID compliance purposes for policing away tickets. Even so, what could they do that they can't already? Best I can think is send stewards down to check photo on file vs your face, even then, our stewards have no right to police entry to another ground...
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 26, 2020, 04:22:24 PM
Why would the authorities care who turns up, so long as they're social distancing?

I am not picking on you, but I am genuinely absolutely amazed you have to ask this question. It's like you've never heard of contact tracing.

Are you Dido Harding? ;-)

It's a significant risk to have people back in stadiums in the first place, and also in a scenario where there is going to be a lot of money flying around for tickets on the black market and therefore amn extremely elevated risk that the people you think are there are actually not the people there if they do need to contact trace, thereby rendering the tracing pointless.

Football needs to prove it can effectively trace in the case of outbreaks, this seems entirely reasonable as a way of doing this.



Can't the club just refuse entry to anyone who scans the QR code which I presume will be stuck on the walls going into VP if it's not the phone that is registered with whoever originally purchased the ticket?

The club won't be handling the QR data. When you scan one, your phone reads the code and reports to the app, not the venue. Also, if and when we do get back in, if it went solely by QR code in a stand, you'd be getting told to isolate because a bloke sat 80 yards away at the other end of a stand from you tests positive. If they can say who spent 15 minutes within 2 metres of that person, then they can just tell those 3 or 4 people, rather than a standfull.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: andrew08 on October 26, 2020, 04:26:19 PM
If the club wanted to control away tickets they could have done it already and have done in limited amounts. Simply require ticket collection at the away stadium upon presentation of Photo ID.

Man United have a much bigger problem with away ticket touting than we do, and they have had stewards bussed to away grounds to check people's tickets on entry and ask for ID/Season Ticket. According to FSF they've got absolutely no right for this info, and even if you do give it to them and it doesn't match, your 'home' club has no right to deny you entry to the 'away' stadium.

I really don't see why they'd bother using the photos which are obviously for COVID compliance purposes for policing away tickets. Even so, what could they do that they can't already? Best I can think is send stewards down to check photo on file vs your face, even then, our stewards have no right to police entry to another ground...

Good points.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 26, 2020, 10:23:00 PM
Surely that's even more complex than people just uploading a photo and even worse for people who don't do smartphones?

How do people get in pubs without smart phones currently? I assume for any mass gathering currently it's mandatory.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 26, 2020, 10:46:26 PM
Surely that's even more complex than people just uploading a photo and even worse for people who don't do smartphones?

How do people get in pubs without smart phones currently? I assume for any mass gathering currently it's mandatory.

Nope.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 26, 2020, 11:57:48 PM
As Nottingham is now tier 3, this is how it affects non league football. I know it's not ID or Villa related but as there are tens of thousands of people going to games every weekend in non league it maybe gives an idea of what could happen when crowds start being allowed back further up the system. There are limits on capacites even down the pyramid, so at Bromsgrove for example capacity is currently capped at 600 so as they'd normally pull 1k+ matches are now all ticket.

https://www.nottinghamshirefa.com/news/2020/oct/26/guidance-update-for-grassroots-football
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Lucky Eddie on October 27, 2020, 04:59:57 AM
Yeah I can imagine the queue of people willing to pay 400 for Villa v Brighton.

So can I, especially if it's an FA Cup quarter final, Boxing Day or the opening match of the season.


Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: simboy on October 27, 2020, 05:38:52 AM
How will having a photo of the person who bought the ticket originally (perhaps months before) be better than a QR app on the day? Has the club actually explained how a photo will improve the situation? Trace and track works by confirming presence, with the individual volunteering their presence on the day. I cannot believe a public health official is going to scan through 10,000 photos to track and trace who went to a particular football match on a particular day. There are far better and easier methods.

Appreciate I have photo ID for getting into the gym (no one ever checks if I’ve passed the card to my son or daughter) and on occasion for getting into places where I need to see clients.

I think the club are being disingenuous saying it’s for Covid ... whether I’m against it or not overall maybe another matter. 

Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2020, 10:09:03 AM

I think the club are being disingenuous saying it’s for Covid ... whether I’m against it or not overall maybe another matter. 



But all clubs are being asked to implement this.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 27, 2020, 10:16:59 AM
Surely given the Data Protection Laws, they are legally forced into giving full and honest account of what and how this "Data" will be stored and used. Also who will have access to it!
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: simboy on October 27, 2020, 06:31:34 PM
I’m not sure I agree with you Risso. As far as I read the statement it’s the club’s decision to ask for photo id not the premiership or the government.

“As part of our coronavirus safety features ...” later in the paragraph it says, “ this is to help ensure government guidelines on social distancing are maintained ...”

Indeed I can find no guidelines that have been issued about re-entry to premiership guidelines.

Maybe I’m wrong but I’m sure you correct me 😊


Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: purpletrousers on November 23, 2020, 03:28:49 PM
So where did this come from, I didn’t seem to get any email re adding photos any tips?

Quote
Upload your photo to your Ticketing account

We hope you are well - we're missing you at Villa Park.

While we are planning and preparing for your safe return whenever possible in line with government guidelines (see full update here) you can get match ticket ready by uploading your photo to your ticket account.

As part of our coronavirus safety features, all supporters will now need to a provide photo ID to gain entry. This is to help ensure government guidelines on social distancing are being maintained when it is possible to welcome you back to Villa Park.

Uploading your photo can be done online at tickets.avfc.co.uk, or through the Aston Villa app after clicking on ‘Tickets’.

You will not be able to purchase tickets without a valid Photo ID, so it is critical that you follow our handy guide to get your photo attached to your Ticketing Account.

Thank you as always for your support, we look forward to welcoming you back when it is safe and possible to do so.
VIEW GUIDE

Now a bit more pressing with the news:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/55010011

A maximum of 4,000 fans are set to be allowed at outdoor events in the lowest-risk areas when the national lockdown in England ends on 2 December, BBC Sport understands.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to make an announcement later on Monday about the return of crowds.

He will make a statement to the House of Commons, and MPs will vote on it later in the week.

Up to 2,000 fans will be allowed in tier two areas but zero in tier three.

The measures are set to be part of the new Covid-19 restrictions in England.

Elite sport has continued behind closed doors during England's four-week lockdown, but grassroots and amateur sport has been halted since 5 November.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: oldhill_avfc on November 23, 2020, 07:21:11 PM
Should be all or nothing in the premier league.

Teams shouldn’t be penalised based on the tier in which the ground lies.

Fans shouldn’t be penalised by not being one of the lucky ones - there should be solidarity.

Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: purpletrousers on November 24, 2020, 12:19:20 AM
It seems this is necessary for the future whether you you like it or not, whether you are waiting in solidarity for everyone to get a chance to go back or not.
Apologies if I missed it before, but to a answer my own question about where/how to upload
a pic https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/october/Upload-your-photo-to-your-ticketing-account/
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: brentastonb6 on November 28, 2020, 12:50:27 AM
The majority of the adult population carry photo ID every day with little complaint.
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Is the correct answer ! But if someone links it to the word Covid or football matches there has to be a conspiracy theory.
I like many on here share our five season tickets around and occasionally are the lucky recipients of spares from those around us. I don’t think  our fan base is unique so this will be happening all over the land . No business which is what football is ever going to introduce something that results in less wallets on legs in their grounds long term
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: frank black on December 07, 2020, 11:14:07 AM
 Just having a look at uploading photos, anyone know how to upload kids photos (or aren’t they needing kids photos) on connected accounts. The kids don’t have their own logins...
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: CT on December 07, 2020, 01:12:05 PM
Just having a look at uploading photos, anyone know how to upload kids photos (or aren’t they needing kids photos) on connected accounts. The kids don’t have their own logins...

I contacted Villa support on twitter and they gave me a password so I could get in and add the photo.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: frank black on December 07, 2020, 03:33:20 PM
Just having a look at uploading photos, anyone know how to upload kids photos (or aren’t they needing kids photos) on connected accounts. The kids don’t have their own logins...

I contacted Villa support on twitter and they gave me a password so I could get in and add the photo.

Thanks
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: CT on January 20, 2021, 01:28:07 PM
Just wondering if anyone else has had an email from the club regarding proof of age for Under 18s.

They’re asking for a passport / driving license copy.

It’s probably me being over cautious, but the email address is not the normal ticket one. 

The email address on this one is ticketsalesAF@avfc.co.uk (the normal one doesn’t have AF in the address)
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 20, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
Check direct with the club, sounds fishy!!
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: CT on January 20, 2021, 01:33:17 PM
Check direct with the club, sounds fishy!!

Yep, I’ve emailed support too. Of all the spam rubbish I get, I’ve never had anything connected with the club.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 20, 2021, 01:47:25 PM
Check direct with the club, sounds fishy!!

Yep, I’ve emailed support too. Of all the spam rubbish I get, I’ve never had anything connected with the club.

Club staff say they don't know anything and contact the ticket office.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: Dave P on January 20, 2021, 02:02:55 PM
You are unlikely to have a driving licence if your under 18?
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: CT on January 20, 2021, 02:39:26 PM
Check direct with the club, sounds fishy!!

Yep, I’ve emailed support too. Of all the spam rubbish I get, I’ve never had anything connected with the club.

Club staff say they don't know anything and contact the ticket office.

Villa Support on Twitter have just said it’s genuine, but I’ve emailed the ticket office anyway.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: rjp on January 20, 2021, 03:10:39 PM
As long as it has @avfc.co.uk on the end then it's going to the club unless an attacker has taken control of the entire avfc.co.uk domain in which case they'd have control of absolutely everything.  The ones to really worry about are the subtle variations on the domain name after the @ symbol.  Things like @av-fc.co.uk.
Title: Re: Photo ID now required to purchase tickets
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 20, 2021, 03:17:17 PM
Wonder when we'll even get a 10k crowd back inside VP, Feb 2022?

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