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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on October 02, 2020, 01:05:38 PM
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Especially for our footy friend.
1-2. Watkins.
Davis will not score.
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Stupid time. Stupid game.
1-3
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0-2 them.
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Villa 5 - 1 Liverpool. All goals in the first half.
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Villa 5 - 1 Liverpool. All goals in the first half.
But with the TV cameras there this time.
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Liverpool to win but hopefully we make it competitive (3-1 or 3-2) with Ollie getting on the scoresheet rather than a trouncing. Would settle for a point from this or the Leicester game.
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I think we can sneak a draw. We should have won the game at Villa Park last season. We actually didn't do that badly at their place. This will be our biggest test along with games against Man City. We will derive so much confidence from a strong performance. We have seen they can be vunerable at the back. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain from this. Every pundit will talk about them before the game and rightly so. We have to earn that. But last night has nothing to do with Sunday. It's going to really tough but we can get something.
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Us 5-1 Them.
Watkins (2), Grealish, McGinn. Them to get one back to make it 4-1.
Then Ross Barkley to come on as a sub and finish the game off with 5 minutes to go.
You can but hope.
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4-3 to us.
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Villa 5 - 1 Liverpool. All goals in the first half.
But with the TV cameras there this time.
And ironically no crowd. I prefer the 1976 arrangement.
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A Liverpool win 1-3, tight for an hour then they get two goals. Grealish for us
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not expecting a win or even a draw
but I’d actually be happy if we competed with them and didn’t look totally outclassed
Maybe took the game to them at times and generally did something like what Leeds did
we are capable look at last years match at VP and we have better players now who have been saved for this very game
A humiliation of the Man City 6-1 proportions are the last thing we need
this is the game where we see how far we have come with the newish team members
0-2 loss but hopefully with lots of positives
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Misery arses. Another clean sheet in a straightforward 2-0 win for us.
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I think we’ll do ok for a bit. But we’ll have to be clinical in the chances we get. We won’t be. It’ll cost us. 0-2
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Davis will not score.
If he does, I will have his full name tattooed across my ample arse.
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Deano will clip Klopp as Villa canter to an easy win. Us 3 Them 1.
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Keinan Vincent Joseph Davis
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1-0 Davis 90+6
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I long for the day when we can look forward to fixtures with genuine optimism, or even expectation, that we should get something from it.
But right now, given this stage of our development, it's a free hit. Anything we get is a bonus. I'm going for 1-3.
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VCTM and the Blue half of Merseyside looking for a Villa win with debutant Barkley getting the winner........it's ok to dream
More probably 0-2 to the Red Shite :(
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1-0 Davis 90+6
Pint of what you've been drinking please :)
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Fingers crossed.
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Going to be a good test of where we are. While we have two clean sheets so far I haven't been overly convinced of our defensive set up and the midfield cover in front of it. Hoping for a spirited display anyway and I do think we will create chances and score. But I fear the gulf in class on the pitch will also be reflected on the scoreline. Villa 2 Liverpool 4.....Matt Targett to limp off around min 70..
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We will win 2.1. Or a 2.2 draw.
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Sounds like they may be without Henderson as well as Thiago Alcantra. Maybe Fabiano will play in DM for them. Bet bloody Manè will be playing though...
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1-2 Liverpool
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1-2 Liverpool
Sadio Mane just tested positive for COVID-19.........Not playing
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Mane out.... that’s brilliant news for us. That frontline is far less threatening without him lurking down the left - A huge thorn in our side in recent times.
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Abandon the match and the season. Current placings to apply for 2021-22.
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I would’ve thought there’s a chance the game could be called off at this rate.
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I would’ve thought there’s a chance the game could be called off at this rate.
Aren't they obligated to complete the fixture? Orient had to forfeit against Spurs last week because they had too many players in isolation.
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Can we play their U23s again, just in case?
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Surely with squads of 25 named, you would have to have up to 7 or more players poorly before the FA consider postponing?
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Up to 25 is only over-21 players. Nothing to stop them selecting youth players. Better still, just award us the match like they did to Tottenham when this happened to Leyton Orient.
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Isn’t it more a question of whether it could spread to both squads? I don’t know I’m just speculating.
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Middlesbrough got docked three points for not fulfilling a fixture once due to illness and injuries so there’s precedent. I think the orient situation was EFL rules.
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Why is it that a kid gets it and the whole school gets locked down, yet a footballer can just leave his squad and nobody else is affected?
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Especially for our footy friend.
1-2. Watkins.
Davis will not score.
Why thank you.
So I say we will get a result and Watkins for his first league goal.
Villa haven't conceded yet and we are very strong in restricting shots.
Would like to have 5 attackers push on to Liverpool High back line and play with progressive attacks.
But actually Smith will have a plan to expose their full backs and also we should have good opportunities
Hope Mane gets well but some fortune there for us ! As he always seems to score so good he's not playing. Maybe there should be others.
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Remember when Liverpool fans were getting in a tizzy whenever the possibility of last season being declared null and void was discussed?
Well looking at social media it would now it would appear that one positive should be grounds for a fixture postponement.
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Villa 5 - 1 Liverpool. All goals in the first half.
But with the TV cameras there this time.
Derby bloody County and their new star signing.
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2-2
Watsy/SJM
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Wattie!
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Villa 5 - 1 Liverpool. All goals in the first half.
But with the TV cameras there this time.
Derby bloody County and their new star signing.
Think that match finished 0-0 as well
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Abandon the match and the season. Current placings to apply for 2021-22.
No, pro-rata everyone's points and GD up to 3 games if they've only played 2. Puts us 2nd behind Leicester rather than a disappointing 4th.
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If it goes ahead, I've just got this feeling Villa to win 3-1!
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Surely with squads of 25 named, you would have to have up to 7 or more players poorly before the FA consider postponing?
Apparently if you have 13 fit players you have to play although that might be a regulation from UEFA that premier league hasn't adopted so not sure but don't really see games being called off.
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0-3
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That’s the spirit .
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Why is it that a kid gets it and the whole school gets locked down, yet a footballer can just leave his squad and nobody else is affected?
It's part of the make it up as you go along response from our vanity project PM and his cabinet chosen for loyalty over competence. Mane's also allowed to drive the team bus to test his eyesight,
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Davis will not score.
If he does, I will have his full name tattooed across my ample arse.
Save money on ink. D*vis
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Why is it that a kid gets it and the whole school gets locked down, yet a footballer can just leave his squad and nobody else is affected?
Access to quick and frequent testing. Kids at our school are waiting ages for testing.
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If we are still unbeaten in the PL by Monday morning, I will be delighted.
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Hopefully they’ll forfeit and we win 3-0.
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Hopefully they’ll forfeit and we win 3-0.
Hopefully they play and we beat them 3-0.
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Why is it that a kid gets it and the whole school gets locked down, yet a footballer can just leave his squad and nobody else is affected?
Access to quick and frequent testing. Kids at our school are waiting ages for testing.
If they can't get a test within 5 days they can't close the school at all.
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Thiago has it too.
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Don't you have to have about 5 players with it, before match gets postponed? I may have dreamt this though.
Only 2 for Liverpool, although they may also be missing Matip and Henderson and some Greek player that I'd never heard of before.
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There is a 3rd but I have no idea who he is.
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If we are still unbeaten in the PL by Monday morning, I will be delighted.
this for me please
UTV
The Doc
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Villa 5 - 1 Liverpool. All goals in the first half.
But with the TV cameras there this time.
Now that was a game!!!
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We're looking like we can hold our own a bit more this season but we aint improved that much yet. . Take it on the chin and move on. 1-3
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There is a 3rd but I have no idea who he is.
Is this on Twitter, la?
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I actually fancy us to cause an upset. 2-1 Villa.
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For some reason I thought it was at Anfield and with Mane and Thiago now out I'm a little more hopeful but still think we'll lose.
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Even without Mane and Thiago they’ll be too strong for us but like last season we’ll make them work for it. Can see a draw but likely to be a narrow loss.
UTV
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Despite the agonising ending, the home game against Liverpool was one of the best games of football I saw last season and we more than held our own for a large part of it.
Just hope we can play with the same intensity as we did last season and have a real go at them.
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1-1, Platt for us, Barnes for them.
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Despite the agonising ending, the home game against Liverpool was one of the best games of football I saw last season and we more than held our own for a large part of it.
Just hope we can play with the same intensity as we did last season and have a real go at them.
At least Mane won't be on the pitch from the start this time, should have been gone before HT in the game last year.
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2-2, Salah score's 2 first half goals, Barkley coming off the bench second half to score in the last 10 minutes then Watkins scoring his first in the prem in injury time.
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2-2, Salah score's 2 first half goals, Barkley coming off the bench second half to score in the last 10 minutes then Watkins scoring his first in the prem in injury time.
I think it’s extremely unlikely we’ll get a positive result, but I think it’s virtually impossible if we go behind. I think the only way to win/draw is to get a lead and essentially hold on.
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Will be tough, but you never know. Smith tends to stick faithfully to winning sides, so will be interesting if he throws Barclay straight in or not and if he does whether it will automatically be hourihane that drops out or whether he’ll throw a curve ball and drop Trez , play Barclay a bit wider and hot lips a bit deeper alongside luiz
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Villa 5 - 1 Liverpool. All goals in the first half.
That would be nice! I was at that one. Probably the only game I went to that season but what a game. Next day on the news they said people had been phoning from around the world to see if it was true.
I'm not quite that optimistic but I have a good feeling for some reason.
Villa 1-0 Liverpool
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Liverpool don't really trash teams so I think the game will be in the balance in last 10 minutes just like the two were last season.
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Need to put in the sort of shift that Leeds did today against Man City. Even with Mane out they'll probably have too much, but I'm going for an optimistic and nerve-shredding 2-1 to us.
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I'm going with 2-1 to us too.
Grealish with the winner in stoppage time after Trezeguet put us one up, but they equalised with a pen in the 90th minute.
Klopp sent off after the final whistle, Henderson seen in tears leaving the pitch.
Milner makes a heartfelt plea in the post match interview on Sky asking Dean Smith to bring him home , he'll play for free just to wear the claret and blue one last time.
Tammy Abraham phones TalkSport afterwards to say if we let him take the penalties he's available to play alongside Ollie and Jack in a front three.
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The thought of a midfield with Barkley added vs Conor, combining with Luiz and McGinn supporting Jack fills me with a bit more confidence for tomorrow.
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Just as a point of interest. If a Liverpool player brings one of our players down with Covid-19 in the box is it a penalty?
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Just as a point of interest. If a Liverpool player brings one of our players down with Covid-19 in the box is it a penalty?
I'm not totally sure, but from how I'm interpreting the latest guidelines I believe it's a penalty for man united.
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Just as a point of interest. If a Liverpool player brings one of our players down with Covid-19 in the box is it a penalty?
I'm not totally sure, but from how I'm interpreting the latest guidelines I believe it's a penalty for man united.
And Leeds get the assist.
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Just as a point of interest. If a Liverpool player brings one of our players down with Covid-19 in the box is it a penalty?
I'm not totally sure, but from how I'm interpreting the latest guidelines I believe it's a penalty for man united.
Very well played :)
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Just as a point of interest. If a Liverpool player brings one of our players down with Covid-19 in the box is it a penalty?
I'm not totally sure, but from how I'm interpreting the latest guidelines I believe it's a penalty for man united.
Only if it's after the final whistle though.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz
Traore Barkley McGinn Grealish
Watkins
Or will it be Trezeguet in for Traore? Hope not.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz
Traore Barkley McGinn Grealish
Watkins
Or will it be Trezeguet in for Traore? Hope not.
I think Trez will almost certainly start ahead of Traore. Did you see the Stoke game? Traore was hopeless, whilst Trez played his part in a very good away win against Fulham. Traore may well go on to be great for us, but he hasn't played his way into a starting spot yet in my opinion.
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Has to be Trez over Traore but I’d like to see Barkley start, although I don’t think Hourihane deserves to be dropped, just a big difference in class and experience which has to be progress over sentiment.
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Traore looked very short of match fitness and sharpness. He is better than Trez and will eventually force his way in. Barkley is just a better player than Conor and I’m in the Conor fan club. I hope Barkley starts but I can also see Dean staying loyal to the side that won at Fulham.
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These are shite. 4-0 Villa.
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Just as a point of interest. If a Liverpool player brings one of our players down with Covid-19 in the box is it a penalty?
I'm not totally sure, but from how I'm interpreting the latest guidelines I believe it's a penalty for man united.
Thanks for the clarification ;)
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These are shite. 4-0 Villa.
No, they're a decent side.
4-1.
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These are shite. 4-0 Villa.
No, they're a decent side.
4-1.
I will not have this divisive language!
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I’ll do this once early season. If I’m wrong , I promise I
Won’t post again on match threads.
Jack limped off in training. If he’s not fit, Traore starts.
Barkley starts instead of Hourianne
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Has to be Trez over Traore but I’d like to see Barkley start, although I don’t think Hourihane deserves to be dropped, just a big difference in class and experience which has to be progress over sentiment.
I do wonder whether DS might throw a curveball and go for 4 midfielders with Barkley starting alongside McGinn and Hourihane with Doug behind and Grealish just off Watkins. Like this:
Doug
SJM Barkley Hourihane
Jack
Watkins
Would sacrifice width but then would give licence for the FBs to get forward which is key in this type of game. Liverpool are very strong with whichever three they'll play in midfield.
Probably unlikely as Barkley hasn't played much for Chelsea so match fitness won't be great but he did throw in Drinkwater from the start v Man. City when his match fitness was just as bad as could be expected from a pro player.
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sorry for butting in on a villa thread but how far off is Neil Taylor getting into the first team these days ?
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sorry for butting in on a villa thread but how far off is Neil Taylor getting into the first team these days ?
Not far enough.
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Tayls is well off being first team regular, good lad, just not the quality we need.
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Tayls is well off being first team regular, good lad, just not the quality we need.
maybe a move would be best or is just happy to pick up his wages i guess
not involved in the wales set up these days either all going pear shaped for him it seems
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Others take the piss and get personal- see the other post from Paulisugarnuts, he totally gives his all. He’s definitely an asset to a top 10 championship side and I mean that with the greatest respect.
I’ve met Tayls a couple of times and he’s a top lad.
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Others take the piss and get personal- see the other post from Paulisugarnuts, he totally gives his all. He’s definitely an asset to a top 10 championship side and I mean that with the greatest respect.
I’ve met Tayls a couple of times and he’s a top lad.
i very rarely look out side the other thread on here so i haven't seen the post from paulisugarnuts .
would be a good player for us in the championship after all we got another one of yours at left back right now joe bennett and hes bang on average !
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Others take the piss and get personal- see the other post from Paulisugarnuts, he totally gives his all. He’s definitely an asset to a top 10 championship side and I mean that with the greatest respect.
I’ve met Tayls a couple of times and he’s a top lad.
i very rarely look out side the other thread on here so i haven't seen the post from paulisugarnuts .
would be a good player for us in the championship after all we got another one of yours at left back right now joe bennett and hes bang on average !
You haven’t seen a post because there isn’t one fro anyone called pauliesugarnuts. Our resident troll Mr Standing is being a bell end calling him that when he knows better.
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Has to be Trez over Traore but I’d like to see Barkley start, although I don’t think Hourihane deserves to be dropped, just a big difference in class and experience which has to be progress over sentiment.
I do wonder whether DS might throw a curveball and go for 4 midfielders with Barkley starting alongside McGinn and Hourihane with Doug behind and Grealish just off Watkins. Like this:
Doug
SJM Barkley Hourihane
Jack
Watkins
Would sacrifice width but then would give licence for the FBs to get forward which is key in this type of game. Liverpool are very strong with whichever three they'll play in midfield.
Probably unlikely as Barkley hasn't played much for Chelsea so match fitness won't be great but he did throw in Drinkwater from the start v Man. City when his match fitness was just as bad as could be expected from a pro player.
I thought maybe this. Maybe one of the issues preventing it, is there attacks tend to start from their full backs, so our wide men potentially have a very big job, so pulling everything into the middle may play into their hands?
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sorry for butting in on a villa thread but how far off is Neil Taylor getting into the first team these days ?
He is perfect for a Steve Bruce side mate. Way too defensive going forward and not particularly great at defending. Often goes missing. It comes to something when a fairly ordinary Matt Targett is streets ahead of him. Villa's weakest area.
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There's rightly a bit optimism about this one. McGinn is starting to look like his old self, Grealish is playing well and Watkins is due a goal in the league. With Mane being out, it's a good chance for us. That's said, I'll for 2-2.
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Same starting eleven as against Fulham but use of our substitutes paramount.
Something like, Ross Barkley on for Hourihan after 60 minutes and Traore on for Trez after 70 minutes. One other substitution when and as required. Game management so important against this lot. They always come strong at the end.
Also, the ultimate test for our focus and concentration.
We can do it.
1-1. :)
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They key to their success has been not having probably the best front three in Europe miss many games, so it'll be interesting to see how they cope without Mane, who I think is the best of the three.
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I'm optimistic of a 1-1 draw, Watkins to score.
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They key to their success has been not having probably the best front three in Europe miss many games, so it'll be interesting to see how they cope without Mane, who I think is the best of the three.
He certainly is, I can’t think of a better player in the world pound for pound at the minute, it’s a massive boost that he’s out.
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Has to be Trez over Traore but I’d like to see Barkley start, although I don’t think Hourihane deserves to be dropped, just a big difference in class and experience which has to be progress over sentiment.
I do wonder whether DS might throw a curveball and go for 4 midfielders with Barkley starting alongside McGinn and Hourihane with Doug behind and Grealish just off Watkins. Like this:
Doug
SJM Barkley Hourihane
Jack
Watkins
Would sacrifice width but then would give licence for the FBs to get forward which is key in this type of game. Liverpool are very strong with whichever three they'll play in midfield.
Probably unlikely as Barkley hasn't played much for Chelsea so match fitness won't be great but he did throw in Drinkwater from the start v Man. City when his match fitness was just as bad as could be expected from a pro player.
That’s a good option, especially with Cash now in the team and one strength of Taggart is his link up and forward play. He actually creates a fair few chances.
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Has to be Trez over Traore but I’d like to see Barkley start, although I don’t think Hourihane deserves to be dropped, just a big difference in class and experience which has to be progress over sentiment.
I do wonder whether DS might throw a curveball and go for 4 midfielders with Barkley starting alongside McGinn and Hourihane with Doug behind and Grealish just off Watkins. Like this:
Doug
SJM Barkley Hourihane
Jack
Watkins
Would sacrifice width but then would give licence for the FBs to get forward which is key in this type of game. Liverpool are very strong with whichever three they'll play in midfield.
Probably unlikely as Barkley hasn't played much for Chelsea so match fitness won't be great but he did throw in Drinkwater from the start v Man. City when his match fitness was just as bad as could be expected from a pro player.
That’s a good option, especially with Cash now in the team and one strength of Taggart is his link up and forward play. He actually creates a fair few chances.
I like the look of that too. I know RB hasn’t played that much recently, but I’m sure his fitness is light years ahead of Drinkwater.
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The driving rain's stopped but it's going to be windy.
L'poo will be upset.
It might have been a good leveller for them. ;D
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For some odd reason I feel we could run them close again like we did last season (I still get PTSD from the last 5minutes of that game :'().
2-2. There! I've said it! Jack and A N Other for us.
I can dream a dream (paraphrasing Susan Boyle)...
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Salah tested positive now?
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No.
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No.
Ah okay, just wondering if there was any credibility in a text I had.
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Alisson is out.
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Hopefully Barkley will start, but I think Smith may start with the same team that started against Fulham, going 1-2 Liverpool
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1-0 Villa
with more sweat coming out my arse than the mersey
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Apparently Allison is out injured today
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Alisson is out.
That’s as big a deal as Mane. He’s a brilliant keeper. We may still lose but we have to have a go at this lot. They are shaky at the back anyway and this helps.
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We have to play with the intensity that Leeds are showing. Only way to stop these top sides is to have a go at them. If we play our sideways and backwards style, we will lose out. If we can put them under some pressure, I think we have a realistic chance of a good result. Simple..when you’re typing!!
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Adrian is crap too. Should be shooting on sight if Allisson is out. I think key will be the battle down our left (Targett/Grealish v (TAA/Jota). If we can keep TAA on the back foot and get Grealish in behind him then we could have a real advantage.
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Alisson is out.
Adrian is pretty mediocre. Struggles with low shots. We should be scoring at least once today.
Going to be pretty exciting end to end game I think.
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We have to play with the intensity that Leeds are showing.
Yes but I would have thought a team has to be trained and coached to play the way Leeds do?
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no Mane, no Alisson, no Thiago, Henderson not match fit...
Please!!!
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We need to go for this!! Free hit
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Free hit, is there a more pointless term in football.
Get at the scouse fuckers from the off who ever is playing for them, let them worry about us.
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Important we don't settle for a win by the odd goal. Need to win by at least two to go second.
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Important we don't settle for a win by the odd goal. Need to win by at least two to go second.
With a game in hand.
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Happy with the team tonigh.