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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: robbo1874 on September 21, 2020, 03:56:54 AM

Title: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: robbo1874 on September 21, 2020, 03:56:54 AM
Seems to me like thereís a proper buzz around the club now. Living 20 odd thousand km away, I canít go to games, so am in a similar position to everybody else for once.

Lots of positive stuff coming out of the club now recently and it feels like things are going forward again on and off the pitch. Hopefully fans will be allowed back soon and I think thereíll be a really good vibe round B6.

Iíve been listening to quite a few podcasts not just the Villa ones, but others including some West Ham ones (I posted one on other football recently). They seem in a dark place now- probably go down I think this season. Weíve been through all that and seem to be seeing the upside now.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 21, 2020, 05:17:09 AM
Not sure I know what that means. We never lost our club. It was just going through a rough patch and we were moments away from going back down. The owners have made good on everything they committed to upon arrival. The manager is being given a chance to prove himself again. But for us fans, we have never left. Itís always a part of us whether like you or I we live thousands of miles away or for other loyal supporters living minutes from the ground. The club will always be a part us irrespective of whether times are good, bad or indifferent. Nobody can take that from us.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: robbo1874 on September 21, 2020, 07:14:48 AM
OK, so the last ten years didnít happen and people werenít singing We want our Villa back?
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Clampy on September 21, 2020, 08:13:49 AM
OK, so the last ten years didnít happen and people werenít singing We want our Villa back?

Maybe you were. Like TV said, it was always here.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: chrisw1 on September 21, 2020, 08:23:00 AM
I can remember that being sung, but not for a long time.  But lets not split hairs, I think Robbo is just saying the club feels positive again and on an upwards trajectory, which is fair enough.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 08:24:50 AM
Itís funny because I was about to restart the fans worried about future thread.  Loads and loads of spending and wage hikes and an over inflated squad stuck with some high earners and paying the wages of a bloke thatís just left.  But itís just too crass to do it. 
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 21, 2020, 08:48:31 AM
if this happened, the new owners Coming in was the point when we stopped fucking around.
Not every problem has been solved but the continuing search for improvement is plain to see.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: robbo1874 on September 21, 2020, 09:10:08 AM
I can remember that being sung, but not for a long time.  But lets not split hairs, I think Robbo is just saying the club feels positive again and on an upwards trajectory, which is fair enough.
thatís right Chris I was. But fair enough I asked a question and a couple of people answered it.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 21, 2020, 09:35:59 AM
I think itís part of my natural Brummie / Villa fan inbuilt pessimism that I feel that due to us having several weeks of consistent good news (exciting signings, great pre season results, Jackís new contract), something bad must surely be around the corner!
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on September 21, 2020, 09:51:07 AM
 Villa....can't live with them, can't live without them.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 21, 2020, 10:01:59 AM
I've heard that said at least twice in the last decade.  Once when MON left and even in that video Legion posted in the 'Claim to Fame' thread, about the Sherwood 'era', of all things.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 21, 2020, 10:19:41 AM
I think itís part of my natural Brummie / Villa fan inbuilt pessimism that I feel that due to us having several weeks of consistent good news (exciting signings, great pre season results, Jackís new contract), something bad must surely be around the corner!

My other half is a pessimist (understandably since she's wound up with me) and it does my head in. You're no better off if, when the shit hits the fan, you thought it might in advance.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Damo70 on September 21, 2020, 10:47:04 AM
I would say we were rudderless to an extent from the day Randy gave up on us until our current owners took over. We actually got off lightly in the end regarding the Dr Tony reign. It could have set us back years or even finished us.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 21, 2020, 10:50:58 AM
I would say we were rudderless to an extent from the day Randy gave up on us until our current owners took over. We actually got off lightly in the end regarding the Dr Tony reign. It could have set us back years or even finished us.


Yep absolutely , how on earth  we sold to that absolute chancer?? he did not have a pot !!
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: LeeB on September 21, 2020, 10:53:00 AM
I would say we were rudderless to an extent from the day Randy gave up on us until our current owners took over. We actually got off lightly in the end regarding the Dr Tony reign. It could have set us back years or even finished us.

I'm loathe to curse it, but we may have decent owners for the first time since forever. Going back you've got Mr Shitty Shoes, Randy who just gave up, had money but couldn't tie his own shoelaces, Corner Shop Doug, the dodgy Bendalls, Doug again although slightly better on and then you're into revolutions and Town Halls, because the club had been run into the ground for decades.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: robbo1874 on September 21, 2020, 11:13:51 AM
I would say we were rudderless to an extent from the day Randy gave up on us until our current owners took over. We actually got off lightly in the end regarding the Dr Tony reign. It could have set us back years or even finished us.

I'm loathe to curse it, but we may have decent owners for the first time since forever. Going back you've got Mr Shitty Shoes, Randy who just gave up, had money but couldn't tie his own shoelaces, Corner Shop Doug, the dodgy Bendalls, Doug again although slightly better on and then you're into revolutions and Town Halls, because the club had been run into the ground for decades.
lot of history squeezed into a well-written paragraph. I do think things are on the up again. Last season, not too many of us would have been surprised if weíd gone down. But it feels like, to me anyway, that a corner had been turned now. Just interested to see what everyone else thinks
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 21, 2020, 11:16:29 AM
It'll never be 'our' club again; it will always be run according to the whims and ideas of unaccountable, rich men. The best we can hope is that their ideas coincidence with ours.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Damo70 on September 21, 2020, 11:26:05 AM
I would say we were rudderless to an extent from the day Randy gave up on us until our current owners took over. We actually got off lightly in the end regarding the Dr Tony reign. It could have set us back years or even finished us.

I'm loathe to curse it, but we may have decent owners for the first time since forever. Going back you've got Mr Shitty Shoes, Randy who just gave up, had money but couldn't tie his own shoelaces, Corner Shop Doug, the dodgy Bendalls, Doug again although slightly better on and then you're into revolutions and Town Halls, because the club had been run into the ground for decades.

'Mr Shitty Shoes' made me laugh  ;D It is a shame Roger Hargreaves adult versions of the Mr Men books didn't catch on  ;)
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Damo70 on September 21, 2020, 11:30:57 AM
It'll never be 'our' club again; it will always be run according to the whims and ideas of unaccountable, rich men. The best we can hope is that their ideas coincidence with ours.

For me it felt like 'our club' when Dean Smith and Jack Grealish were holding up the play off trophy.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 21, 2020, 11:32:04 AM
I think itís part of my natural Brummie / Villa fan inbuilt pessimism that I feel that due to us having several weeks of consistent good news (exciting signings, great pre season results, Jackís new contract), something bad must surely be around the corner!

My other half is a pessimist (understandably since she's wound up with me) and it does my head in. You're no better off if, when the shit hits the fan, you thought it might in advance.

Iím working on it. I actually think weíre going to win 3-1 tonight!
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: ktvillan on September 21, 2020, 11:46:47 AM
Villa's potential has always been huge but we've only seen glimpses of it due to a succession of owners who were incompetent (Normansell, Lerner) dodgy (Tone, Bendall), or overly parsimonious egotistical control freaks (Ellis).    We now seem to be in the hands of proper, competent businessman and executives who have a plan and know how to execute it.  It does feel like there's a massive opportunity for that potential to be realised on a long term basis.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 21, 2020, 11:55:29 AM
I think itís part of my natural Brummie / Villa fan inbuilt pessimism that I feel that due to us having several weeks of consistent good news (exciting signings, great pre season results, Jackís new contract), something bad must surely be around the corner!

My other half is a pessimist (understandably since she's wound up with me) and it does my head in. You're no better off if, when the shit hits the fan, you thought it might in advance.

Iím working on it. I actually think weíre going to win 3-1 tonight!

I think it's the thing that leads to 99% of the arguments on here. Just different, irreconcilable, ways of looking at the world.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 21, 2020, 12:00:56 PM
OK, so the last ten years didnít happen and people werenít singing We want our Villa back?

I wasnít tying to be confrontational. I genuinely never understood it when people would say that. The club like any close relationship is ours unless we wish to end it. No owner or ownership group or manager or player(s) will ever change or deny us that. These owners (and of course this manager and this team captain) appear to get it and understand what we want and that feels great. But no different to how I imagine Wolves fans feel about  their owners or Leeds fans do about their current situation. But in truth the club never left us.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 12:03:58 PM
OK, so the last ten years didnít happen and people werenít singing We want our Villa back?

I wasnít tying to be confrontational. I genuinely never understood it when people would say that. The club like any close relationship is ours unless we wish to end it. No owner or ownership group or manager or player(s) will ever change or deny us that. These owners (and of course this manager and this team captain) appear to get it and understand what we want and that feels great. But no different to how I imagine Wolves fans feel about  their owners or Leeds fans do about their current situation. But in truth the club never left us.

I think when we were almost going out of business after a steady decline in quality and competence, you could well argue that the Villa we all know and love was ebbing away.

Now it feels like there's a plan to get us back to where we were at the top table in football.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
Some of the owners had nicknames. 

Benders, Ellers, Stony Broke, Slow Lerner, Nas, Eddie.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 21, 2020, 12:46:37 PM
All this stuff about "our club" seems to equate to whether we're relatively successful or not. If it truly was "our club",  owned and run by fan representatives, we wouldn't have a hope in hell of competing in the Prem.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Hockley Lion on September 27, 2020, 08:38:54 PM
There's always a struggle between optimism and pessimism. How many times have any of us thought "all is lost" following a bad run, only to become wildly optimistic "we could be in Europe" when we win a game or two unexpectedly. It's part of the human condition. I'm generally optimistic and so, like last season I'm thinking "top half, top half" in a sort of nervous way.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 27, 2020, 08:55:31 PM
a struggle between optimism and pessimism
That should be the motto on H&V's badge / crest.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on September 27, 2020, 09:02:56 PM
OK, so the last ten years didnít happen and people werenít singing We want our Villa back?

Maybe you were. Like TV said, it was always here.

Easy to forget how completely toxic the relationship between fans and the players/club became during the season when we finally fell out of the league. Fans cheering Arsenal goals in our last game summed up the massive chasm between us and the club at the time.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: TonyD on September 27, 2020, 09:08:03 PM
It'll never be 'our' club again; it will always be run according to the whims and ideas of unaccountable, rich men. The best we can hope is that their ideas coincidence with ours.

For me it felt like 'our club' when Dean Smith and Jack Grealish were holding up the play off trophy.
And a crop of local young players coming through the ranks.   
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: richtheholtender on September 27, 2020, 09:25:57 PM
Villa's potential has always been huge but we've only seen glimpses of it due to a succession of owners who were incompetent (Normansell, Lerner) dodgy (Tone, Bendall), or overly parsimonious egotistical control freaks (Ellis).    We now seem to be in the hands of proper, competent businessman and executives who have a plan and know how to execute it.  It does feel like there's a massive opportunity for that potential to be realised on a long term basis.
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Which should have been in place when Ellis sold the club. This should have been the buyer he was looking for but he doesnít come across as the saviour then does he? Which I have little doubts (regardless of scale) were in his mind.
Title: Re: Have we got our club back now?
Post by: KevinGage on September 27, 2020, 10:34:56 PM
I would say we were rudderless to an extent from the day Randy gave up on us until our current owners took over. We actually got off lightly in the end regarding the Dr Tony reign. It could have set us back years or even finished us.


Yep absolutely , how on earth  we sold to that absolute chancer?? he did not have a pot !!

Lerner was convinced about his credentials.  Say no more.
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