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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Steve67 on September 13, 2020, 06:31:45 PM

Title: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2020, 06:31:45 PM
Fee agreed, around £19m.  Apparently he is looking forward to working with John Terry again.  Medical in the next 48 hours according to Sky.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LukeJames on September 13, 2020, 06:33:47 PM
Hope this is aswell as Rashica and its not one or the other.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ger Regan on September 13, 2020, 06:52:05 PM
Linky (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/12071244/bertrand-traore-aston-villa-agree-17m-deal-for-lyon-forward)
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 13, 2020, 07:12:10 PM
Hope this is aswell as Rashica and its not one or the other.

Same here. Rashica looks the real deal whereas Traore (from the stuff I’ve read) sounds hot and cold.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 13, 2020, 07:44:48 PM
For those who Saint-Maximin I think Traore will be much the same. Great pace, tricks, will look amazing at times and will piss us off at times.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2020, 07:54:33 PM
For those who Saint-Maximin I think Traore will be much the same. Great pace, tricks, will look amazing at times and will piss us off at times.

Exactly. They're the sort of players who other clubs' fans think are great because they mostly see the highlights but can be frustrating if you're watching them week in week out.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 13, 2020, 07:55:32 PM
YouTube players
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: darren woolley on September 13, 2020, 08:50:36 PM
Hope we sign him.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 13, 2020, 09:00:48 PM
These premature signing threads are gonna be the kiss of death.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 13, 2020, 09:03:07 PM
Can we stop these premature ejaculations of joy 😳😀
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 13, 2020, 09:05:57 PM
Fee agreed, around £19m.  Apparently he is looking forward to working with John Terry again. 

Didn't Drinkwater say the same? Like others, I hope we also bring in Rashica who looks like a warrior.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2020, 09:07:23 PM
These premature signing threads are gonna be the kiss of death.

I agree, people jumping the gun.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2020, 09:08:46 PM
YouTube players

Sugarbags.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ozzjim on September 13, 2020, 09:36:44 PM
Hope this is aswell as Rashica and its not one or the other.

Ditto IF it happens
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 13, 2020, 09:38:18 PM
I saw some comments on twitter from Lyon fans and a majority were very happy to see him go. Seems they find him inconsistent. However, as chimps league regulars their expectations are probably different to ours.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: dave shelley on September 13, 2020, 09:39:21 PM
Medical in France tomorrow according to SSN transfer blog.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 13, 2020, 09:40:18 PM
I think he’s probably a good shout.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: frank black on September 13, 2020, 09:47:08 PM
Hope this is aswell as Rashica and its not one or the other.

Ditto IF it happens

I suspect a Rashica won’t happen now.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 13, 2020, 09:52:24 PM
Was he played as a wing back last season?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 13, 2020, 09:52:59 PM
Hope this is aswell as Rashica and its not one or the other.

Ditto IF it happens

I suspect a Rashica won’t happen now.

Reporting is we want both.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: bilsim on September 13, 2020, 09:56:15 PM
Huge reservations about this. A former colleague of mine who I'm regularly in touch with is a big Lyon fan and has said Traore is very much a "maverick" player who shows flashes of brilliance between weeks of being shockingly bad and described him as being the worst decision makers he's ever seen. Lyon fans seem staggered they could get so much for him.

Seems very much like a "Rashica deal not happening... Shit let's get an available winger" to me.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 13, 2020, 10:04:07 PM
Could be an insurance buy, looks like the Rashica deal could take another few weeks according to a few sources.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Dazvillain on September 13, 2020, 10:10:21 PM
 So if Rashica and traore both come to fruition does that mean either or that Benrahma is no go, and another no9 type striker won’t be bought ?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ozzjim on September 13, 2020, 10:16:33 PM
As Traore can play down the middle of we get both that would be it you would think. I really hope there is a plan b to Rashica that's not Traore though.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Villatillidie25 on September 13, 2020, 10:18:33 PM
Think Benrahma has been dead for a week or so to be honest. It’s just gone too quiet.
Not convinced by Traore. Like people have said, flashes of good stuff but too inconsistent. We’ve got some inconsistent wingers already and their problem is that the ball doesnt stick often enough with them which puts us under pressure.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PeterWithe on September 13, 2020, 10:33:47 PM
Huge reservations about this. A former colleague of mine who I'm regularly in touch with is a big Lyon fan and has said Traore is very much a "maverick" player who shows flashes of brilliance between weeks of being shockingly bad and described him as being the worst decision makers he's ever seen. Lyon fans seem staggered they could get so much for him.

Seems very much like a "Rashica deal not happening... Shit let's get an available winger" to me.

I can’t help but laugh at this. 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 13, 2020, 10:36:33 PM
What's Dean Smith's track record like for developing players? No prospect of him making this guy better I take it?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: paul_e on September 13, 2020, 10:37:28 PM
What's Dean Smith's track record like for developing players? No prospect of him making this guy better I take it?

Well I can think of a few players who've done alright under him.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 13, 2020, 10:41:21 PM
What's Dean Smith's track record like for developing players? No prospect of him making this guy better I take it?

Well I can think of a few players who've done alright under him.

No Paul, everything is rubbish and we're all doomed.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: olaftab on September 13, 2020, 10:43:27 PM
I assume coming from France he will have to quarantine for 14 days?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2020, 10:58:56 PM
Huge reservations about this. A former colleague of mine who I'm regularly in touch with is a big Lyon fan and has said Traore is very much a "maverick" player who shows flashes of brilliance between weeks of being shockingly bad and described him as being the worst decision makers he's ever seen. Lyon fans seem staggered they could get so much for him.

What's his take on the merits of Andouillette?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: rougegorge on September 13, 2020, 10:59:42 PM
I assume coming from France he will have to quarantine for 14 days?
It's a good point.

However,  James Rodriguez played for Everton and Areola (keeper signed for Fulham from PSG) was on the bench yesterday, and neither could have done 14 days quarantine, and you'd have thought they would have been in Spain and France respectively  over the last 2 weeks.

Maybe it's one rule for them?!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Chris Smith on September 13, 2020, 11:04:50 PM
I assume coming from France he will have to quarantine for 14 days?
It's a good point.

However,  James Rodriguez played for Everton and Areola (keeper signed for Fulham from PSG) was on the bench yesterday, and neither could have done 14 days quarantine, and you'd have thought they would have been in Spain and France respectively  over the last 2 weeks.

Maybe it's one rule for them?!

Presumably they can get tested.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Dave on September 13, 2020, 11:09:53 PM
Think Benrahma has been dead for a week or so to be honest.

Like some sort of Weekend At Bernie's style prank?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: rougegorge on September 13, 2020, 11:19:46 PM
I assume coming from France he will have to quarantine for 14 days?
It's a good point.

However,  James Rodriguez played for Everton and Areola (keeper signed for Fulham from PSG) was on the bench yesterday, and neither could have done 14 days quarantine, and you'd have thought they would have been in Spain and France respectively  over the last 2 weeks.

Maybe it's one rule for them?!

Presumably they can get tested.
I think you're right,  but according to the government's rules on self-isolation, getting a clear test isn't specified as an exemption.

People coming back from those countries could go and get tested and then go about their business if they are clear, but that's not permitted.

Domestic elite sports people are exempt, but that applies to UK athletes, so I am definitely thinking it's a case of 'one rule'...
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Monty on September 14, 2020, 12:13:52 AM
As well as Rashica, this seems a good move. Without Rashica, it looks like a risk.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 14, 2020, 12:24:25 AM
As well as Rashica, this seems a good move. Without Rashica, it looks like a risk.

Agreed. Lyon may think they're like Brentford, pulling our pants down on the price. They may be right but I hold onto the hope we're not banking on him being the main supply route to Watkins. Competition and all that jazz..
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 02:12:36 AM
A slight worry that he's 25 so not exactly a spring chicken (nor are Cash or Watkins either in fairness) so I'm not sure how much he's likely to improve .

Also I wonder what happened in the last two seasons for him to under-perform so much given how good stats from his first year at Lyon suggest.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 02:15:15 AM
Think Benrahma has been dead for a week or so to be honest.

Like some sort of Weekend At Bernie's style prank?

Classic. I do hope Benrahma has seen Weekend at Bernie's at some point in his past or future life as no matter how much money he makes from football, watching that film will give him a lot more joy than assisting an equaliser on a rainy Tuesday night in Preston.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: tony scott on September 14, 2020, 05:28:20 AM
Seeing the comments ,on this and other sights, I wonder if the same person responsible for this signing also recommended D Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: jwarry on September 14, 2020, 06:23:03 AM
Huge reservations about this. A former colleague of mine who I'm regularly in touch with is a big Lyon fan and has said Traore is very much a "maverick" player who shows flashes of brilliance between weeks of being shockingly bad and described him as being the worst decision makers he's ever seen. Lyon fans seem staggered they could get so much for him.

Seems very much like a "Rashica deal not happening... Shit let's get an available winger" to me.

Seem to remember another Traoré being like that
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: enigma on September 14, 2020, 06:46:53 AM
Huge reservations about this. A former colleague of mine who I'm regularly in touch with is a big Lyon fan and has said Traore is very much a "maverick" player who shows flashes of brilliance between weeks of being shockingly bad and described him as being the worst decision makers he's ever seen.
So another Jordan Ayew then?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: mr underhill on September 14, 2020, 06:57:52 AM
Just a hunch but I don't think Rashica was ever likely to happen - bigger clubs are still interested. So if Bert is it for the new wide player with pace, let's hope Dean and Co can tease more of what they see in him out on a more consistent basis.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: bilsim on September 14, 2020, 07:28:11 AM
A thought that popped into my mind this morning. We have already seen a "Bertrand" and a "Traore" at Villa Park. Will this be the first time we've signed a player who's name is an amalgamation of two former players?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: TelfordVilla on September 14, 2020, 07:55:13 AM
Another lengthy work permit drama to play out ?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: sid1964 on September 14, 2020, 07:59:13 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Diablo on September 14, 2020, 09:52:56 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?
I read that his agent Paul Tait initially offered him to Westham (but it was on a Westham blog so...)
https://www.hammers.news/club-news/aston-villa-reportedly-agree-19m-deal-to-sign-traore-after-west-ham-allegedly-rejected-him/
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2020, 10:09:00 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?
I read that his agent Paul Tait initially offered him to Westham (but it was on a Westham blog so...)

"You can't join da Vile man, please!"
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Diablo on September 14, 2020, 10:22:51 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?
I read that his agent Paul Tait initially offered him to Westham (but it was on a Westham blog so...)
I read it was by David Cameron press officer so...
Ahh so more plausible than I initially thought
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Steve67 on September 14, 2020, 10:24:07 AM
So, we have concerns that he’s no spring chicken at age 25!
We have concerns that Dean Smith can’t make him a better player.
We have concerns that a Villa hater is his agent!
We have concerns that we might have a lengthy work permit process.

Not much to worry about then. Hopefully he isn’t as absolutely clueless, classless, old and past it as we think!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
We're Villa fans, neurosis is in the genes.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2020, 11:38:02 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?

If he does turn us down I'll remain philosophical.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: OzVilla on September 14, 2020, 11:39:36 AM
Well they know better than I do but based on all the evidence I’d much rather we were turning our attention elsewhere. The last thing we need is another flaky winger.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ktvillan on September 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Well they know better than I do but based on all the evidence I’d much rather we were turning our attention elsewhere. The last thing we need is another flaky winger.

This - if the youtube highlights are the best they could come up with it's not very impressive.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 01:22:47 PM
Some strong opinions on a bloke most people had never heard of before the weekend, never mind seen play.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 14, 2020, 01:29:41 PM
The YouTube show reel is a bit bobbins if I’m honest.  I hope I am wrong.
Looks quick though which will give defences something new to think about.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2020, 01:30:01 PM
I think he looks quick, strong, tricky and dangerous in the highlights reel. I am perhaps though simply easy to please.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 14, 2020, 01:46:27 PM
Seems to be a lot of negativity about this bloke and we haven't even signed him yet!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: TonyD on September 14, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
So we would have 3 hot n cold inconsistent wingers if he signed. 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 14, 2020, 01:55:57 PM
I think he looks quick, strong, tricky and dangerous in the highlights reel. I am perhaps though simply easy to please.

The vid on here wouldn’t play for me so I went to YouTube (or Jew Tube as I’ve just discovered Brexiters call it) and searched a few of my own. I thought he looked good as well.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 14, 2020, 01:57:20 PM
Deleted as it’s not worth the inevitable argument on a hot day
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: bill on September 14, 2020, 02:00:33 PM
1 goal in 23 games last season for Lyon. Not great.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2020, 02:01:10 PM
Seems to be a lot of negativity about this bloke and we haven't even signed him yet!

Yes, we normally wait until they have played at least one game for us.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 14, 2020, 02:06:37 PM
You’d think we were playing Champions League this season, and not a side that scraped to safety by the skin of our nuts, the way some are talking about the types of players who we’re meant to be signing.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2020, 02:09:47 PM
21 goals in 87 games for Lyon. Not bad.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2020, 02:13:23 PM
1 goal in 23 games last season for Lyon. Not great.

but an overall record for them of 1 in 4 and of those 23 9 were from the bench.

It looks to me a lot like he just didn't fit in with how they wanted to play last year.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 14, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Played for Chelsea, Ajax and Lyon and did OK at all of them. Chelsea fans seem to think he is a good player and a good signing for us. He looks better than what we have.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 02:20:00 PM
Correspondent on Talksport has just said that he's a good player whose confidence has "fallen off a cliff" over the last 18 months.

That's where we are really, we have to buy fixer uppers and potential. Especially if players like Zaha are valued at 60 million and above.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 02:21:08 PM
Correspondent on Talksport has just said that he's a good player whose confidence has "fallen off a cliff" over the last 18 months.

That's where we are really, we have to buy fixer uppers and potential. Especially if players like Zaha are valued at 60 million and above.

He needs to read all the comments on here of support to gee him up.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 02:25:54 PM
Correspondent on Talksport has just said that he's a good player whose confidence has "fallen off a cliff" over the last 18 months.

That's where we are really, we have to buy fixer uppers and potential. Especially if players like Zaha are valued at 60 million and above.

He needs to read all the comments on here of support to gee him up.

Anger can be very motivational.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 14, 2020, 02:31:32 PM
Correspondent on Talksport has just said that he's a good player whose confidence has "fallen off a cliff" over the last 18 months.

That's where we are really, we have to buy fixer uppers and potential. Especially if players like Zaha are valued at 60 million and above.

He needs to read all the comments on here of support to gee him up.

Anger can be very motivational.

It was for Danny Drinkwater - after reading some negative views, he went in to speak to Dean Smith and ended up head butting Jota before he could get there...

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 02:38:28 PM
I heard that everybody ran away when they saw just how angry Drinkwater was. Jota was the only other player slow enough for him to catch. Reina too, but he escaped by virtue of having a head start and longer strides
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 14, 2020, 02:53:18 PM
Correspondent on Talksport has just said that he's a good player whose confidence has "fallen off a cliff" over the last 18 months.

That's where we are really, we have to buy fixer uppers and potential. Especially if players like Zaha are valued at 60 million and above.

He needs to read all the comments on here of support to gee him up.

Or maybe he needs to play in his preferred position, apparently Lyon were playing him as a wing back having changed their system.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 03:03:23 PM
It would remove a weight from our worries.
Can this wing-back talk be confirmed by our French correspondent, Bad English ? I think he hates any non-Villa football (understandable) so perhaps not. But maybe one of his students could verify.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 03:36:29 PM
Having his medical in Denmark. Why not?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 14, 2020, 03:41:08 PM
Having his medical in Denmark. Why not?

That could be a way to avoid the quarantine... Whether it works like that or not?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Damo70 on September 14, 2020, 03:51:47 PM
Having his medical in Denmark. Why not?

I had to have a medical in Denmark when I was poorly whilst on holiday out there as a kid. We were visiting Legoland at the time so I actually went to see the Legoland doctor. Sadly the Legoland doctor was a real person just like every other doctor I have seen as opposed to being a doctor made out of Lego.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: UK Redsox on September 14, 2020, 04:06:09 PM
Maybe Traore really is Plastic Bertrand and therefore the medical can only be done by Damo's Legoland doctor :)
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2020, 04:06:51 PM
Having his medical in Denmark. Why not?

I had to have a medical in Denmark when I was poorly whilst on holiday out there as a kid. We were visiting Legoland at the time so I actually went to see the Legoland doctor. Sadly the Legoland doctor was a real person just like every other doctor I have seen as opposed to being a doctor made out of Lego.

I bet you were shitting bricks.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 04:44:30 PM
I hope Rashica has his medical there.  Just think of the bacon pun fun we could have.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2020, 04:49:31 PM
I hope Rashica has his medical there.  Just think of the bacon pun fun we could have.

I'd only do one and that would be Milot.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
I hope Rashica has his medical there.  Just think of the bacon pun fun we could have.

I'd only do one and that would be Milot.

Can he play at the back?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: yammers on September 14, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
I hope Rashica has his medical there.  Just think of the bacon pun fun we could have.

I'd only do one and that would be Milot.

Can he play at the back?

No but he does streak down the wing.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 14, 2020, 04:55:26 PM
Let’s not let this thread bacone a bacon pun thread. I’ll be really salty.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 14, 2020, 04:55:41 PM
Smokey.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Mister E on September 14, 2020, 04:56:30 PM
I hope Rashica has his medical there.  Just think of the bacon pun fun we could have.

I'd only do one and that would be Milot.

Can he play at the back?

No but he does streak down the wing.
Don't be rash - well, rasher than LeeB.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: four fornicholl on September 14, 2020, 04:56:42 PM
Every chance you get, you lot are at it, you'll never be cured.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Border villan on September 14, 2020, 05:08:23 PM
You need some sauce for these puns.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2020, 05:44:44 PM
Having his medical in Denmark. Why not?

I had to have a medical in Denmark when I was poorly whilst on holiday out there as a kid. We were visiting Legoland at the time so I actually went to see the Legoland doctor. Sadly the Legoland doctor was a real person just like every other doctor I have seen as opposed to being a doctor made out of Lego.

If his medical's being done by a Legoland doctor he should play well.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: achilles on September 14, 2020, 05:45:55 PM
Not a good signing, sulking, lazy, arrogant bugger, Villa will regret this big time!
Not certain who scouted this one but they should be sacked.

Just a more expensive version of N'Zogbia, the occasional good bits will soon disappear and very left footed as well, not impressed at all!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 05:47:07 PM
Goldie has two accounts?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: richtheholtender on September 14, 2020, 05:50:04 PM
Not a good signing, sulking, lazy, arrogant bugger, Villa will regret this big time!
Not certain who scouted this one but they should be sacked.

Just a more expensive version of N'Zogbia, the occasional good bits will soon disappear and very left footed as well, not impressed at all!


Straight out the Bolasie book?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2020, 05:55:06 PM
If we were to sign both Rashica and Traore I'd probably get a lardon.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: achilles on September 14, 2020, 05:55:10 PM
Not a good signing, sulking, lazy, arrogant bugger, Villa will regret this big time!
Not certain who scouted this one but they should be sacked.

Just a more expensive version of N'Zogbia, the occasional good bits will soon disappear and very left footed as well, not impressed at all!


Straight out the Bolasie book?

We don't have a particularly good record at signing wingers.
Couldn't we have got Bowen, last season, for about the same money?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 14, 2020, 05:58:10 PM
has Bowen done much at West Ham?

has anyone done much at West Ham?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on September 14, 2020, 05:58:47 PM
Not a good signing, sulking, lazy, arrogant bugger, Villa will regret this big time!
Not certain who scouted this one but they should be sacked.

Just a more expensive version of N'Zogbia, the occasional good bits will soon disappear and very left footed as well, not impressed at all!
Yep, I think his performances in a Villa shirt have been poor, can't say he hasn't been given a chance.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 06:01:32 PM
Not a good signing, sulking, lazy, arrogant bugger, Villa will regret this big time!
Not certain who scouted this one but they should be sacked.

Just a more expensive version of N'Zogbia, the occasional good bits will soon disappear and very left footed as well, not impressed at all!
Yep, I think his performances in a Villa shirt have been poor, can't say he hasn't been given a chance.

We need to sell him before the window closes.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: enigma on September 14, 2020, 06:09:28 PM
has Bowen done much at West Ham?

has anyone done much at West Ham?
He was very good for them last season to be fair.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 06:11:49 PM
Much better than Traore has been for us. He's done fuck all in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2020, 06:38:28 PM
Much better than Traore has been for us. He's done fuck all in a Villa shirt.

His head has been turned by the links to us, he's done nothing since the rumours started.

If we come in with a decent bid, I'd sell him to us and cut our losses.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 06:39:14 PM
Much better than Traore has been for us. He's done fuck all in a Villa shirt.

His head has been turned by the links to us, he's done nothing since the rumours started.

If we come in with a decent bid, I'd sell him to us and cut our losses.

I'm already booing him. Disgusted.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 14, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
Much better than Traore has been for us. He's done fuck all in a Villa shirt.
Adama mk II
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on September 14, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
I can't remember the last time I noticed him on the pitch.Awful waste of money we haven't spent.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Border villan on September 14, 2020, 07:05:50 PM
Can he have the same number as the other Traore to save money on the shirt. (before we sell him by 5th Oct.)
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Dave on September 14, 2020, 07:37:13 PM
His current manager has said that he's joining us.

So I guess that means he's probably joining us.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2020, 07:52:53 PM
His current manager has said that he's joining us.

So I guess that means he's probably joining us.

Does that mean he's joining us or not?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Border villan on September 14, 2020, 08:15:13 PM
Yes, he is joining us ...... or not
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2020, 08:25:15 PM
Much better than Traore has been for us. He's done fuck all in a Villa shirt.

His head has been turned by the links to us, he's done nothing since the rumours started.

If we come in with a decent bid, I'd sell him to us and cut our losses.

I'd drive him here myself.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 08:38:21 PM
I think I must have done a Bobby Ewing at those half dozen or so away games I went to and we sang "Oh Adama Traore".    The only "crap, get rid" Villa player I have ever known that the travelling fans gave his own song.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2020, 08:44:53 PM
I think I must have done a Bobby Ewing at those half dozen or so away games I went to and we sang "Oh Adama Traore".    The only "crap, get rid" Villa player I have ever known that the travelling fans gave his own song.

Salifou had one as well.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: cdward on September 14, 2020, 08:59:10 PM
Would love to see somebody who had the old Traore MK1 on their shirt get to wear it again now.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 09:01:25 PM
That  Salifou song was a piss take song.  The songsters amused themselves doing long   oooooos. When we sang the Adama Traore song at places like Naaarch and Fulham, we meant it.  He was a very exciting player, a crowd pleaser.  I can only assume those who could not see his potential are all armchair MOTD jumpers for goalposts fans.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 09:07:35 PM
Old Traore shows what a good coach Nuno is. He was such a headless chicken for so long. Still a bit of a frustration now, but when you're that quick, its tantalising.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 09:17:46 PM
It's  what coaches are paid to do Ads.  Identify talent and develop it.  Like we did with Southgate, and Evans and Platt and Sid.  That Nuno is a good coach is indisputable.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 09:20:32 PM
I struggle to recall a footballer built like him. If he came on to replace Tuilagi, you'd still have him crashing through defences.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 14, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
Old Traore shows what a good coach Nuno is. He was such a headless chicken for so long. Still a bit of a frustration now, but when you're that quick, its tantalising.

I heard on the radio last season that one key piece of advice that Nuno gave to Traore was to slow down. His point being he can use his pace to beat a man but once he is in front he isn’t going to get caught so he can slow down ( in relative terms ) and assess options instead of treating each run as a sprint to a finish line.

Reminds me of Graham Taylor’s “steady on the trigger” advice to Tony Daley before crossing as he had a tendency to do everything at top speed.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 09:27:49 PM
I think when Gabby was on his (alleged) steroid programme he was well on the way to becoming an understudy for Oddjob.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: OCD on September 14, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
Think it was under Tony Pulis' management that he started to get his act together, at Middlesbrough. Nuno's just built on what had already been started.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 09:32:10 PM
For what it is worth there seems to be apocryphal evidence that Adama Traore's complex ownership situation was more responsible for him leaving VP than his uncoachability.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 09:33:15 PM
Old Traore at Boro ended up doing an 60 yard sprint past every other Boro player, when RHM was through on goal, to win the ball back- much to the away end's amusement.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 09:42:06 PM
I have never seen a quicker player.  Yes I have, come to think of it, I saw Usain Bolt in football boots at that game when Gabby flattened some pop star.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: mr underhill on September 15, 2020, 08:54:53 AM
One of the few Villa occasions we don't see eye to eye Brian, but perhaps it was just a case of right player wrong time. He's certainly looked a much more complete player  since joining  Wolves.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2020, 09:25:04 AM
For what it is worth there seems to be apocryphal evidence that Adama Traore's complex ownership situation was more responsible for him leaving VP than his uncoachability.

It may not have been either of those. Maybe if we had not got relegated, we might have been able to persevere with him. That said. I think he has a few more moves in him yet, he seems the type.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 15, 2020, 09:34:07 AM
I don't think the management issues of Sherwood, Garde and all that shambles helped Adama, a young lad in a foreign country managed by total incompetence at a Football club that didn't know it's arse from it's elbow....

at Wolves; a steady, progressive club in the right hands has been exactly what he needed. Exactly what Villa wasn't during his spell with us
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: john e on September 15, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
I don’t know to much (anything) about Traore or Rashica

all I do know is that they or whoever we sign will need to be upgrades on Trez and Ghazi
if we just end up with more of the same hit and miss sort of performances from them we will be stuck with a load of underperforming wingers on big wages for a long while

it a massive call for Smith and he needs to get it right

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Scovilla on September 15, 2020, 12:03:24 PM
Traoré is seen as a very lazy player down here.
I' d rather we signed Raschica.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Fred Crump on September 15, 2020, 12:09:41 PM
Traoré is seen as a very lazy player down here.
I' d rather we signed Raschica.
I don’t like the sound of this at all. Feels like an N’ Zogbia in the making
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 15, 2020, 12:13:44 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: TelfordVilla on September 15, 2020, 12:15:57 PM
I dont like the price being double what Lyon paid for a player who hadn't pulled up any trees there.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2020, 12:16:32 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I thought that.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: jwarry on September 15, 2020, 12:17:05 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

Unless you are Mourinho and then you are all lazy
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2020, 12:18:38 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: cannock villa on September 15, 2020, 12:19:07 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

? who's mentioned the colour of anyone's skin bar you
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 15, 2020, 12:19:15 PM
That  Salifou song was a piss take song.  The songsters amused themselves doing long   oooooos. When we sang the Adama Traore song at places like Naaarch and Fulham, we meant it.  He was a very exciting player, a crowd pleaser.  I can only assume those who could not see his potential are all armchair MOTD jumpers for goalposts fans.

Remi Garde?

He played two games under Sherwood, looked very exciting and then got injured so that's one we signed in summer 2015 who can't be blamed on being mistreated by Tim.

Garde then decided he wasn't required in a relegation battle which is fair enough but Kieron Richardson on the left wing wasn't needed either.

Then Eric Black did some of the most baffling team selections I've ever seen anyone leading Villa make. We were down and he was still selecting all the poor players who the crowd were just booing.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2020, 12:19:46 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

It's been said on here about Traore.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2020, 12:21:06 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

It's been said on here about Traore.

Yeah I know, I was just responding to the accusation about black players in general.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 15, 2020, 12:21:18 PM
Old Traore shows what a good coach Nuno is. He was such a headless chicken for so long. Still a bit of a frustration now, but when you're that quick, its tantalising.

I heard on the radio last season that one key piece of advice that Nuno gave to Traore was to slow down. His point being he can use his pace to beat a man but once he is in front he isn’t going to get caught so he can slow down ( in relative terms ) and assess options instead of treating each run as a sprint to a finish line.

Reminds me of Graham Taylor’s “steady on the trigger” advice to Tony Daley before crossing as he had a tendency to do everything at top speed.

Weimann needed that advice around 2014. Not ridiculously quick but he was a very useful player for us on the counter attack when he broke though. However one of those who likes playing the game at 100mphs which resulted in loads of rushed finishes and overhit passes and now he's just an o.k mid table championship striker when his potential was much better than that.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Scovilla on September 15, 2020, 12:22:59 PM
As said i was just quoting the Lyon supporters on the forum of l'équipe.
Wha i know about him is that ke is very skilful.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: mike on September 15, 2020, 12:27:36 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

It's been said on here about Traore.

And Stephen Ireland. I think it was just Ron Atkinson that linked lazy with black. I'm hoping that the huge number of world class black athletes provide too much evidence for any remotely sentient being to equate race with motivation.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2020, 12:32:26 PM
If he was being asked to play as a wing back i can understand people seeing him as lazy. If it's when he was a winger then I'm always split on what to think. On one hand having a wide player that helps his fullback out is good but on the other hand it can mean that they aren't able to do the job they're in the team for and create chances. As a winger if you're running in behind your fullback and making yourself available for the ball then I don't think lazy is a fair description, even if you don't track back as well as some people would like. In the same way a fullback who doesn't bomb forward at every opportunity isn't being lazy, they're just more focused on what they see as their main job.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2020, 12:33:14 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

It's been said on here about Traore.

And Stephen Ireland. I think it was just Ron Atkinson that linked lazy with black. I'm hoping that the huge number of world class black athletes provide too much evidence for any remotely sentient being to equate race with motivation.

If only it was just Ron Atkinson. It's been a recurring racist trope since slavery.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Risso on September 15, 2020, 12:36:13 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

Same with Gabby in the twilight of his Villa career.  Nothing whatsoever to do with his skin colour though.  I can't think of any other black players we've had who you would describe as lazy in recent years.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 15, 2020, 12:36:18 PM
As said i was just quoting the Lyon supporters on the forum of l'équipe.
Wha i know about him is that ke is very skilful.

Yep and just to be clear I wasn’t suggesting it was your view.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2020, 12:38:33 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

It's been said on here about Traore.

And Stephen Ireland. I think it was just Ron Atkinson that linked lazy with black. I'm hoping that the huge number of world class black athletes provide too much evidence for any remotely sentient being to equate race with motivation.

If only it was just Ron Atkinson. It's been a recurring racist trope since slavery.

Yep, it's a way pro-slavery racists justified themselves as being 'better' than black people - "We're the slavers not the slaves because we worked hard whilst they did the bare minimum". It's bullshit that doesn't hold up to any scrutiny but the trope has stuck around for centuries.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 15, 2020, 12:44:52 PM
we need to get off this topic quick. It never ends well.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 15, 2020, 12:46:58 PM
In any case are we expecting work permit stuff to be ok? From a very quick look his goal scoring rate looks pretty decent for a wide forward.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 15, 2020, 12:54:33 PM
At both Ajax and then Lyon he started well first season and dropped off. At Lyon he hit 18 goals from the wing in his debut season, which is a very good season. Last year he was played mainly out of position at right back, and the goal return is pretty good for a stand in right back.

Chelsea fans on Twitter (I know) seem to rate him as talented and hard working and think we are getting a good player. Mourinho seems to rate him highly too, and he doesn't suffer poor work rates.

I am quite pleased with this signing. Young player with Prem experience and has played in two decent leagues and the Champions league and not looked out of place. Fast, can play accross the front. Got to be better than picking El Ghazi.

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2020, 01:04:35 PM
In any case are we expecting work permit stuff to be ok? From a very quick look his goal scoring rate looks pretty decent for a wide forward.

52 international caps at the age of 25 would make it pretty hard to deny him one.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 15, 2020, 02:51:30 PM
Its as good as done and yet again came to the name race pretty late

The Villa are getting pretty good at this keeping the media in the dark milarky
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: gpbarr on September 15, 2020, 03:00:52 PM
Not sure what to make of this - doesn't seem to fit the profile of a Smith or Lange signing, and the stats reflect how good he "can" be but also how "anonymous" he can be. The obvious link is Terry @ Chelsea but would he have such influence? We have an existing inconsistency problem out wide in AEG and Trez - struggling to see how this is a major upgrade.

Fingers crossed he buckles down and finally starts to come good
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2020, 03:01:57 PM
Its as good as done and yet again came to the name race pretty late

The Villa are getting pretty good at this keeping the media in the dark milarky

We are and its why some links are meaningless. We were linked with a Bristol City player a few weeks back and some people went barmy.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ozzjim on September 15, 2020, 03:03:39 PM
Yes barmy. Or alternatively discussed a link in a speculation thread.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2020, 03:08:48 PM
Yes barmy. Or alternatively discussed a link in a speculation thread.

Or being convinced it was fact enough to go barmy over it. That's my point.

Anyway, it is nice that we are keeping our cards close to our chest. Even Jack's new deal has been a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 15, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
Yes barmy. Or alternatively discussed a link in a speculation thread.

Or being convinced it was fact enough to go barmy over it. That's my point.

Anyway, it is nice that we are keeping our cards close to our chest. Even Jack's new deal has been a pleasant surprise.

If you'd read my "He's buying a house in Henley -in - Arden" in the - ITK thread it wouldn't have been that much of a surprise.

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Damo70 on September 15, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
Not sure what to make of this - doesn't seem to fit the profile of a Smith or Lange signing, and the stats reflect how good he "can" be but also how "anonymous" he can be. The obvious link is Terry @ Chelsea but would he have such influence? We have an existing inconsistency problem out wide in AEG and Trez - struggling to see how this is a major upgrade.

Fingers crossed he buckles down and finally starts to come good

I'm sure they would have asked Terry his views on the guy's ability and even more so on his attitude.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 15, 2020, 05:16:57 PM
Sky have just confirmed he’s passed his medical and work permit hearing is today and expected to be a formality.  On his way to Brum tomorrow.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 15, 2020, 05:17:28 PM
done and dusted - apparently.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Mister E on September 15, 2020, 05:20:40 PM
Sky have just confirmed he’s passed his medical and work permit hearing is today and expected to be a formality. On his way to Brum tomorrow.
Whaaaat?!! - You saying he hasn't visited Brum yet? - well, surely he's going to do a u-turn and return to .... where was it again?
He's bound to hate it!!




Ooops, sorry: wrong thread (thought we were talking about Rashica).
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 15, 2020, 05:21:41 PM
He's on the phone to Mrs Unsworth already...
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: richtheholtender on September 15, 2020, 06:10:23 PM
He's on the phone to Mrs Unsworth already...


👏
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: algy on September 16, 2020, 07:49:07 AM
Well, we must have some cracking wing options if a Champions League semi-finalist is below us.

I imagine the scouting team will have gone a bit further than looking at a YouTube highlights reel when assessing him, and we potentially have a better idea of his mentality/attitude than most through John Terry & his contacts.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: DrGonzo on September 16, 2020, 06:56:10 PM
Has the boy landed yet? I'm west of Brum so unable to spot the private jets heading for The Belfry. 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Villafirst on September 16, 2020, 07:03:33 PM
Apparently a delay with the work premit, all down to.....you guessed it, Covid-19. Sky reckon it's a formality.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ger Regan on September 16, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
It's not much of a delay really, though, is it? Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Villafirst on September 16, 2020, 07:57:18 PM
It's not much of a delay really, though, is it? Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?

Difference is Traore is a full international and has the right quota of appearances. Wesley/Luiz deals were far more complex.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: mr underhill on September 16, 2020, 08:40:27 PM
I think this is still a smoke screen to flush Rashica out.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 16, 2020, 08:42:23 PM
I think this is still a smoke screen to flush Rashica out.

Ah, the old 'apply for a work permit' switcheroo!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2020, 08:47:22 PM
It's not much of a delay really, though, is it? Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?

It's just a lack of patience again. I'm sure it will be done at some point.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2020, 09:07:03 PM
It's not much of a delay really, though, is it? Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?

It's just a lack of patience again. I'm sure it will be done at some point.

Apparently in Birmingham. Medical done. Personal terms and fee done. Waiting on clearance which should be soon. Early next week at the latest is my guess but could be sooner.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ROBBO on September 16, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Rashica is the bit of excitement the Villa need, he would be a fans favourite.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ian. on September 16, 2020, 09:21:59 PM
He’d definitely give us that pace we lack.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: olaftab on September 16, 2020, 09:42:15 PM
Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?
That's because being Brazilian their President refused to acknowledge they existed.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 16, 2020, 10:43:40 PM
Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?
That's because being Brazilian their President refused to acknowledge they existed.

Probably didn't help that Doug and Wesley's surnames make up the name of the President's disgraced political opponent. ;)
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: darren woolley on September 17, 2020, 09:46:17 AM
Rashica is the bit of excitement the Villa need, he would be a fans favourite.

I also think he would be a brilliant signing for us and be a fans favourite.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: robbo1874 on September 18, 2020, 07:14:24 AM
I know fk all about either Rashica or Traore. If they’re good enough for Deano- good enough for me 😄
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ozzjim on September 18, 2020, 08:27:10 AM
I think Traore will be loved, he looks like one of those that doesn't know what he's going to do next, and could win a couple of games on his own, then be utter shite the week after. Players like that are always good fun.

Rashica looks a very good player at a very good age to get him. Still can't see it but if they both come it's pretty exciting, especially with the movement of Watkins.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2020, 08:58:18 AM
I think Traore will be loved, he looks like one of those that doesn't know what he's going to do next, and could win a couple of games on his own, then be utter shite the week after. Players like that are always good fun.

Rashica looks a very good player at a very good age to get him. Still can't see it but if they both come it's pretty exciting, especially with the movement of Watkins.

Tony Daley....
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: DeeBoy1 on September 18, 2020, 09:06:46 AM
I think Traore will be loved, he looks like one of those that doesn't know what he's going to do next, and could win a couple of games on his own, then be utter shite the week after. Players like that are always good fun.

Rashica looks a very good player at a very good age to get him. Still can't see it but if they both come it's pretty exciting, especially with the movement of Watkins.

Tony Daley....

Still my favourite ever Villa player...not the best player obviously but due to my age I'm not sure anyone will ever pass him as my favourite now that I'm in my 40s!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2020, 10:27:18 AM
You just never knew what was going to happen. I loved watching him.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 10:58:14 AM
Ohhhh Bertrand Traoooorrrre ohhh Bertrand Traoooooore.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: chrisf on September 18, 2020, 11:09:58 AM
You just never knew what was going to happen. I loved watching him.
I loved Tony Daley but I was always pretty confident he'd hare it to the byline then muff up his cross.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: KevinGage on September 18, 2020, 11:22:33 AM
He usually did.

He was always more of a wide forward and better when he was being direct and cutting in for goal.

He'd be better suited to today's game.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: algy on September 18, 2020, 11:41:37 AM
I think Traore will be loved, he looks like one of those that doesn't know what he's going to do next, and could win a couple of games on his own, then be utter shite the week after. Players like that are always good fun.

Rashica looks a very good player at a very good age to get him. Still can't see it but if they both come it's pretty exciting, especially with the movement of Watkins.

Tony Daley....

Still my favourite ever Villa player...not the best player obviously but due to my age I'm not sure anyone will ever pass him as my favourite now that I'm in my 40s!
I loved Tony Daley as a kid.  To the point that, when I was 5 or 6, I got naked and painted myself with brown poster paint so that I'd be more like him.  I think I'd struggle to name half a dozen players who came even close to his level in my eyes (Paul McGrath, Super Jack, Nigel Spink, ... then I start struggling).
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: DrGonzo on September 18, 2020, 11:43:49 AM
Could we revive That's Traore?  When he dance down the wing, with the ball at his feet... that's Traore...?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 18, 2020, 11:48:37 AM
I think Olof's Beard used to put the top of a kitchen mop on his head so that he "looked" more like Daley.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ktvillan on September 18, 2020, 12:00:07 PM
Daley was a bit like Adama Traore when he first broke through - incredible pace but headless chicken.  I seem to recall Graham Taylor telling him to slow down/look up a bit more (much like Nuno has done with AT) and also saying he needed "a trick or two". After that he was much more effective and scored some brilliant goals.  I remember strolling down to Highbury when I lived nearby in the 80s and standing on the North Bank (you could just turn up and pay on the gate at the time) and the Arsenal fans were absolutely bricking it every time Daley got the ball, which I found very amusing.     

Rahsica's highlight reel reminded me of Tony Morley in places.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Daley was a bit like Adama Traore when he first broke through - incredible pace but headless chicken.  I seem to recall Graham Taylor telling him to slow down/look up a bit more (much like Nuno has done with AT) and also saying he needed "a trick or two". After that he was much more effective and scored some brilliant goals.  I remember strolling down to Highbury when I lived nearby in the 80s and standing on the North Bank (you could just turn up and pay on the gate at the time) and the Arsenal fans were absolutely bricking it every time Daley got the ball, which I found very amusing.     

Rahsica's highlight reel reminded me of Tony Morley in places.

There were two distinct sounds I remember when the ball reached Daley, the growl of encouragement to "Skin him Tone", and the clatter of the wooden seats in the Trinity and Witton as everybody stood up.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 12:14:10 PM
Or alternatively this little beauty.

https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Damo70 on September 18, 2020, 12:15:07 PM
Tony Daley was part of a promotion winning side, a cup winning side and part of two runners up sides in the top flight. Add to that the quality of some of the goals he scored and he definitely goes down as one of the best Villa players in my time supporting the club.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: DeeBoy1 on September 18, 2020, 12:19:47 PM
He would definitely have been better now with the reverse winger approach and cutting in rather than crossing...he was no John Barnes when he got to the byline but I just loved him. I still remember drawing a felt tip picture of his flying volley against Everton....good times!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2020, 12:22:00 PM
Or alternatively this little beauty.

https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk

Probably my favourite Villa goal that I saw live. That the footage is accompanied by Barry Davies commentary is a massive bonus
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Post by: Dr Butler on September 18, 2020, 12:24:55 PM
Or alternatively this little beauty.

https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk

Probably my favourite Villa goal that I saw live. That the footage is accompanied by Barry Davies commentary is a massive bonus

not sure if my memory serves me right, but was that Stripey Filth v Villa FA Cup game on TV ?

I seem to remember watching it with my Dad

UTV
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Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2020, 12:29:09 PM
Or alternatively this little beauty.

https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk

Probably my favourite Villa goal that I saw live. That the footage is accompanied by Barry Davies commentary is a massive bonus

not sure if my memory serves me right, but was that Stripey Filth v Villa FA Cup game on TV ?

I seem to remember watching it with my Dad

UTV
The Doc

Was on Match of the Day on the evening, but not live I don't think. It was an early kick off as well.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 12:45:27 PM
No definitely not live - was a Saturday lunchtime kick off because I think SHA were playing in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 18, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
Was that the game they showed on the big screen at the Leisure Centre?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 12:53:01 PM
That I can't remember.  Might have been though.  We could have sold out our end three times over..  We were in the middle of that fantastic run under SGT.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PeterWithe on September 18, 2020, 12:55:42 PM
I got a ticket for the game on the night before in a pub, the blokes I bought it off also gave me a lift there and back and I never saw either of them again.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: GlossopVillain on September 18, 2020, 01:05:23 PM
Was that the game they showed on the big screen at the Leisure Centre?

It was indeed. I was there as a slightly bemused 8 year old. I recall wading through the mess at the end after hundreds of ripped up free copies of the meaning evil had gone up in the air with each goal.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: dave shelley on September 18, 2020, 01:07:57 PM
That game was definitely shown live in Ireland because I watched it. 

A couple of years or so ago, we were staying with our friends in London, big Brentford fans, and I was to meet their son prior to the game and we would go in together.  Me being me, I arrived well before time and enjoyed walking around taking in the atmosphere, they were playing Wolves.  Anyhow, on one of my circuits of the streets I arrived near the players entrance just as the Wolves bus turned up. I hung around watching them disgorge when Tony Daley emerged and went straight to the luggage space and started to unload his gear.  He was less than six feet away from me and I so wanted to speak to him but felt I would be interrupting his schedule.  I've been annoyed at myself about this ever since.  Missed opportunities and all that.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 18, 2020, 01:42:21 PM
Perhaps this was a little premature !
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: villabear on September 18, 2020, 03:21:02 PM
That game was definitely shown live in Ireland because I watched it. 

A couple of years or so ago, we were staying with our friends in London, big Brentford fans, and I was to meet their son prior to the game and we would go in together.  Me being me, I arrived well before time and enjoyed walking around taking in the atmosphere, they were playing Wolves.  Anyhow, on one of my circuits of the streets I arrived near the players entrance just as the Wolves bus turned up. I hung around watching them disgorge when Tony Daley emerged and went straight to the luggage space and started to unload his gear.  He was less than six feet away from me and I so wanted to speak to him but felt I would be interrupting his schedule.  I've been annoyed at myself about this ever since.  Missed opportunities and all that.

His slightly partisan co commentary at the play off final was brilliant. Especially his Brummie "c'mon!"

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1133790103900266497?s=20
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 18, 2020, 03:42:26 PM
I met Daley outside Wembley before Bolton semi final in 2000. He was getting mobbed but had time for a picture with me. Dead chuffed, he was my first hero.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ozzjim on September 18, 2020, 03:58:46 PM
Perhaps this was a little premature !

Been a bit of that this summer with new player threads, but at least it keeps discussion about him in one place and allows the transfer thread to be for people to speculate about other players we have been tentatively linked to.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 18, 2020, 04:11:51 PM
TD one of the nicest men in football you could wish to meet.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
TD one of the nicest men in football you could wish to meet.

Him, God and Sid all in the same team. Just shows you don't have to be a bellend to be great.

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 18, 2020, 05:31:24 PM
The Albion game wasn't live on tv, though it was played on a Saturday lunchtime.  Daley's goal was a glorious moment.  I recall getting soaked on the walk back to the Blue Gates in Smethwick after the game, where my sister picked up me and my dad in her car.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2020, 05:55:24 PM
TD one of the nicest men in football you could wish to meet.

Yep, he's really great to chat to.  He does make you feel slightly (ie very) inadequate given the incredible shape he's in at his age though.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: darren woolley on September 18, 2020, 06:14:42 PM
TD one of the nicest men in football you could wish to meet.
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TD one of the nicest men in football you could wish to meet.

I totally agree I've had the pleasure of meeting Tony Daley a few times he's a really nice man.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 06:18:07 PM
How come Liverpool can announce the signing of the best defensive midfielder in the world within a couple of days whereas our signings each take a week.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: OCD on September 18, 2020, 06:27:13 PM
There's been talk of Liverpool being in for him for weeks and weeks.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 18, 2020, 06:30:19 PM
How come Liverpool can announce the signing of the best defensive midfielder in the world within a couple of days whereas our signings each take a week.

Alcantara? They've been linked with him for far longer than two days.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 18, 2020, 06:42:58 PM
the point Villa are a little slow may be what kippax is getting at :D
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
Yes but I’m itk Liverpool only put a formal bid in 24 hours and 3 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: richtheholtender on September 18, 2020, 08:02:43 PM
Yes but I’m itk Liverpool only put a formal bid in 24 hours and 3 minutes ago.

😂 who told you? Boy George?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 08:06:57 PM
Yes but I’m itk Liverpool only put a formal bid in 24 hours and 3 minutes ago.

😂 who told you? Boy George?

Funnily enough he said he was ‘buzz in’.  Then broke into song something about a chameleon.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 18, 2020, 08:09:58 PM
Yes but I’m itk Liverpool only put a formal bid in 24 hours and 3 minutes ago.

😂 who told you? Boy George?

Funnily enough he said he was ‘buzz in’.  Then broke into song something about a chameleon.
the Gabby version?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Villafirst on September 18, 2020, 09:02:31 PM
Has Traore got his work permit yet? Is he in the UK or still in France?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 09:31:25 PM
Similar to the only club ever in the history of football to be done for tapping up a player, we are the only club in history to have a work permit hold up because of Covid-19.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Richard E on September 18, 2020, 09:37:23 PM
And didn’t even sign the player after tapping him up!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2020, 11:11:46 PM
And didn’t even sign the player after tapping him up!

We got done for tapping up a player that didn't even want to join us.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: robbo1874 on September 19, 2020, 08:51:16 AM
The Albion game wasn't live on tv, though it was played on a Saturday lunchtime.  Daley's goal was a glorious moment.  I recall getting soaked on the walk back to the Blue Gates in Smethwick after the game, where my sister picked up me and my dad in her car.
i listened to That one on Radio 2. My mate and his dad had a ticket, but no joy for me. I reckon Villa would have had 6-7k there that day?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: aev on September 19, 2020, 08:52:12 AM
Controversial but back on topic, do we know what the hold up is?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 19, 2020, 09:00:12 AM
Work permit.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: aev on September 19, 2020, 09:01:16 AM
Ah now confirmed as done!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: chrisf on September 19, 2020, 09:01:36 AM
Confirmed on Twitter
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: dave shelley on September 19, 2020, 09:02:46 AM
Confirmed on Twitter

If true, does that make him eligible for a spot on the bench Monday if fit enough?
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Post by: jwarry on September 19, 2020, 09:05:07 AM
Very happy with this one.  Gives us more unpredictability other than just Jack
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 19, 2020, 09:05:27 AM
Lovely stuff welcome Bertrand.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 19, 2020, 09:06:27 AM
pleased

he must be an improvement on El Ghazi.
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Post by: DB on September 19, 2020, 09:06:51 AM
Just got a message from the Villa app. Done.
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Post by: Ads on September 19, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.
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Post by: Lescottstweets on September 19, 2020, 09:15:26 AM
pleased

he must be an improvement on El Ghazi.

To be fair N’Zogbia would be an improvement on El Ghazi, EPL is way above his level.
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Post by: Risso on September 19, 2020, 09:17:41 AM
pleased

he must be an improvement on El Ghazi.

To be fair N’Zogbia would be an improvement on El Ghazi, EPL is way above his level.

Sorry but that's nonsense.  N'Zogbia is one of the worst players to ever pull on a shirt for Villa.  At least El Ghazi tries, he just isn't very good.
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Post by: Dr Butler on September 19, 2020, 09:20:58 AM
welcome Bert,  don't be shit


UTV
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Post by: dave shelley on September 19, 2020, 09:24:56 AM
Whatever happens to AEG, I'll always be grateful to him for being in the right spot for our first goal in the play-off final and his deflected cross that allowed SJM to score the second.  Also, I have respect for him for suspending his religious beliefs and making himself available for the play-off semi-final second leg against the stripey's.  A very frustrating player nonetheless.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 19, 2020, 09:25:58 AM
Whatever happens to AEG, I'll always be grateful to him for being in the right spot for our first goal in the play-off final and his deflected cross that allowed SJM to score the second.  Also, I have respect for him for suspending his religious beliefs and making himself available for the play-off semi-final second leg against the stripey's.  A very frustrating player nonetheless.
agreed - he has had his good points....
I just hope we've now got a better player in his position.
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Post by: Lescottstweets on September 19, 2020, 09:26:13 AM
pleased

he must be an improvement on El Ghazi.

To be fair N’Zogbia would be an improvement on El Ghazi, EPL is way above his level.

Sorry but that's nonsense.  N'Zogbia is one of the worst players to ever pull on a shirt for Villa.  At least El Ghazi tries, he just isn't very good.

Have to disagree, El Ghazi may be a trier, but he’s Championship at best. Naming N’Zog as an example was to give my opinion on AEG.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2020, 09:28:22 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.

That's pretty much it. It's a lot of money for a player that hasn't done much for years and the Lyon fans can't believe somebody has paid them £20m for a player they don't play or want. A bit like somebody offering us £20m for Scott Hogan. I'm guessing John Terry has convinced Dean he's worth the gamble. I've always wondered if Terry was behind us bringing Drinkwater in on loan.

But you're dead right, Ads, if Traore can regain the confidence (and it's a big if) we could have a serious player on our books. Everything crossed.

Welcome, Bertrand. Do us and yourself proud.
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Post by: Clampy on September 19, 2020, 09:32:25 AM
Welcome Bertrand.
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Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 09:34:02 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.

That's pretty much it. It's a lot of money for a player that hasn't done much for years and the Lyon fans can't believe somebody has paid them £20m for a player they don't play or want. A bit like somebody offering us £20m for Scott Hogan. I'm guessing John Terry has convinced Dean he's worth the gamble. I've always wondered if Terry was behind us bringing Drinkwater in on loan.

But you're dead right, Ads, if Traore can regain the confidence (and it's a big if) we could have a serious player on our books. Everything crossed.

Welcome, Bertrand. Do us and yourself proud.

Yeah because we always do well with those players looking for a new start and a confidence boost
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Post by: AV82EC on September 19, 2020, 09:34:29 AM
I hereby apply for membership of the Ouagadougou Villains.
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Post by: frank black on September 19, 2020, 09:35:24 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.

That's pretty much it. It's a lot of money for a player that hasn't done much for years and the Lyon fans can't believe somebody has paid them £20m for a player they don't play or want. A bit like somebody offering us £20m for Scott Hogan. I'm guessing John Terry has convinced Dean he's worth the gamble. I've always wondered if Terry was behind us bringing Drinkwater in on loan.

But you're dead right, Ads, if Traore can regain the confidence (and it's a big if) we could have a serious player on our books. Everything crossed.

Welcome, Bertrand. Do us and yourself proud.

Didn’t he have a cracking season before last and then end up being played out of position this season?
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Post by: algy on September 19, 2020, 09:40:12 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.

That's pretty much it. It's a lot of money for a player that hasn't done much for years and the Lyon fans can't believe somebody has paid them £20m for a player they don't play or want. A bit like somebody offering us £20m for Scott Hogan. I'm guessing John Terry has convinced Dean he's worth the gamble. I've always wondered if Terry was behind us bringing Drinkwater in on loan.

But you're dead right, Ads, if Traore can regain the confidence (and it's a big if) we could have a serious player on our books. Everything crossed.

Welcome, Bertrand. Do us and yourself proud.

Didn’t he have a cracking season before last and then end up being played out of position this season?
Yeah, that's the impression i had - he was quite prolific for a wide player in his first couple of seasons at Lyon, then they started playing him as a wing back and he looked less good.

I'm quite optimistic about him. Looks like he's a right handful when he's on form.
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Post by: darren woolley on September 19, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Welcome to Aston Villa Bertrand.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2020, 09:42:36 AM
Yeah because we always do well with those players looking for a new start and a confidence boost

Mings couldn't get in the Bournemouth team when we took him on loan. He hasn't done too badly.
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Post by: rougegorge on September 19, 2020, 09:43:31 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.

That's pretty much it. It's a lot of money for a player that hasn't done much for years and the Lyon fans can't believe somebody has paid them £20m for a player they don't play or want. A bit like somebody offering us £20m for Scott Hogan. I'm guessing John Terry has convinced Dean he's worth the gamble. I've always wondered if Terry was behind us bringing Drinkwater in on loan.

But you're dead right, Ads, if Traore can regain the confidence (and it's a big if) we could have a serious player on our books. Everything crossed.

Welcome, Bertrand. Do us and yourself proud.
I am with you on this. A lot of 'ifs' and not totally convinced (yet!), but obviously hope he does really well and it gives us more options.
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Post by: colin69 on September 19, 2020, 09:44:31 AM
I have to say I don’t know too much about him but hopefully the club have done their homework and he’s a success.
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Post by: Villafirst on September 19, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
Welcome Bertrand! Now we need another striker to replace Samatta.
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Post by: nodge on September 19, 2020, 09:46:55 AM
Hope we get the real Bertrand and not the plastic one.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 19, 2020, 09:48:53 AM
Got to better than El Ghazi so Im happy enough.

Rashica next and we will be looking good *crosses fingers*
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 19, 2020, 09:50:33 AM
Our first ever player from Burkina Faso? It has to be. Be brilliant Bert.

I’m not getting all the El Ghazi stick. It was his first season in the Prem and will be better for it. He’ll be a useful squad player this season.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 19, 2020, 09:52:31 AM
Our first ever player from Burkina Faso? It has to be. Be brilliant Bert.

I’m not getting all the El Ghazi stick. It was his first season in the Prem and will be better for it. He’ll be a useful squad player this season.

Agree on both.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 19, 2020, 09:53:00 AM
Welcome Bertrand!

Lyon think they’ve robbed us and he’s not very good. Chelsea fans think we have one hell of a player on our hands here.

With the right coaching and development, I think he could turn into something really special. He needs to regain confidence and with his relationship with John Terry, it might well be the totally new start he needs.

He’s clearly no mug, the heritage and level he’s played at is a testimony to this.

I’m excited to see him this season though. Let’s hope he cuts it.

Now onto Rashica... fingers crossed.
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Post by: Smoke on September 19, 2020, 09:55:42 AM
Interesting he calls himself a striker in his interview.

I think maybe a lot of us are assuming he's a winger who can play up top if needs be.

Obviously he'll be part of the front 3 for us.

Is he the alternative pick to Wilson though rather than the Kosovan fella?
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Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 10:01:54 AM
Yeah because we always do well with those players looking for a new start and a confidence boost

Mings couldn't get in the Bournemouth team when we took him on loan. He hasn't done too badly.

Your right
That’s made me feel a lot more optimistic now
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Post by: JD on September 19, 2020, 10:05:56 AM
Welcome to Aston Villa Bertrand.

I agree Darren. That's all I have to say as well.
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Post by: Smoke on September 19, 2020, 10:07:32 AM
Ooooohhh Bertie Traooooooooré
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 19, 2020, 10:09:48 AM
Another attacking option. Hopefully plays wide right.

Still think we need a ball winner in the middle, not sure Nakamba is up to it
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Post by: Axl Rose on September 19, 2020, 10:12:11 AM
Never heard of him before last week, haven't seen him play. Mates in France reckon he's decent and we'll enjoy watching him play.

Welcome Bertrand.
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Post by: eamonn on September 19, 2020, 10:19:41 AM
Ooooohhh Bertie Traooooooooré

That fucking White Stripes song knows no bounds in football.
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Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2020, 10:22:49 AM
Welcome to The Villa Bert.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 19, 2020, 10:39:50 AM
Don’t know anything about him, hope he’s great for us.
As for El Ghazi, lots of talent I think and has been good for us in spurts, played quite well in the cup final last year and play off final, so can do it in big occasions. Just not sure he’s tough enough for a wet November down at Southampton or wherever. Was also really poor against burton. Think he’ll go myself or be sub at best this season, this new lad and Trez ahead of him
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Post by: garyellis on September 19, 2020, 11:18:05 AM
I really hope this lad settles in and does the business. For all his limitations Gabby in his prime demonstrated how much true pace is worth.
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 19, 2020, 11:22:49 AM
Welcome to The Villa Bert!

Please be really good.
UTV!
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Post by: Tebepaul on September 19, 2020, 11:23:36 AM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course. 
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Post by: Mister E on September 19, 2020, 11:26:13 AM
Have to disagree, El Ghazi may be a trier, but he’s Championship at best. Naming N’Zog as an example was to give my opinion on AEG.
N'Zogbia was a complete vanity purchase by TSM.
He was absolutely effin' useless. As Risso says, at least AEG is a trier and shows some affiliation with the club.
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Post by: Villa Lew on September 19, 2020, 11:33:39 AM
Welcome to the Villa Bertrand
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Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 11:40:32 AM
apparently he has a 1 Star weak foot on FIFA whatever that means
I assume he’s very one footed
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 19, 2020, 11:41:34 AM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course.
Two steps backwards !
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Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2020, 11:50:16 AM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course.
Two steps backwards !
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 19, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course.
Two steps backwards !
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.





And it’s too hot for September!! 😀
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Clampy on September 19, 2020, 11:55:23 AM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course.
Two steps backwards !
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.

Before they have even kicked a ball as well. Incredible.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Tebepaul on September 19, 2020, 11:56:42 AM
Quote
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.

The negative is that I think we've spent £17+ million on the wrong player. None of my French friends can understand this move, and it doesn't appear that the Villa scouting team been watching Ligue 1 matches recently.   
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2020, 11:58:45 AM
He’s going to be an exciting signing. And he’s going to frustrating at times. But exciting wingers are exactly that. Said before, for me he will be like Saint Maximin where he will get you off your seat, he will score some great goals and set up a bunch. But there will be games he will get marked out of the game. And that’s why it’s good we have options on the bench. He’s precisely the type of stepping stone player as we attempt to climb the table. We could not have bought his quality last season. And hopefully next year we can buy a bit better if by some miracle we get into a Europa spot. This signing is all about our intent and development to improve every year.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 19, 2020, 11:58:52 AM
Let’s give him a chance hey!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2020, 11:59:37 AM
Quote
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.

The negative is that I think we've spent £17+ million on the wrong player. None of my French friends can understand this move, and it doesn't appear that the Villa scouting team been watching Ligue 1 matches recently.   

I hope this is your Belgium Villa moment.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2020, 12:00:20 PM
Quote
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.

The negative is that I think we've spent £17+ million on the wrong player. None of my French friends can understand this move, and it doesn't appear that the Villa scouting team been watching Ligue 1 matches recently.   

Have you seen some of the non Villa opinions about Jack Grealish? Many of them think he’s shit or overrated. What does it matter what your French friends say?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 19, 2020, 12:01:21 PM
It's surely a good sign that John Terry has seen this player up close at Chelsea, and worked with him (or I'm assuming he has).
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Mister E on September 19, 2020, 12:03:14 PM
Wikipedia reports that 15% of the fee goes back to Chelsea.
What with this, the fee for Drinky's stay with us and our honing of Tammy's skills, I hope Chelsea have a favour or two for us, in the form of a sale of L-Cheek to us or some other relevant asset.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
Can he play Monday?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2020, 12:07:20 PM
Can he play Monday?

In his interview he said he was glad the first game isn’t far away and he hoped to be involved, so I assume he can. My guess is he was registered yesterday.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2020, 12:07:27 PM
Quote
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.

The negative is that I think we've spent £17+ million on the wrong player. None of my French friends can understand this move, and it doesn't appear that the Villa scouting team been watching Ligue 1 matches recently.   
It's a great time to be a Villa fan. Savour it.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Mister E on September 19, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
This will help understand strengths and weaknesses far better
https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/PF3Z6PpPQU6guYWoDy5CHA/Show/Who-is-Bertrand-Traore-Strengths-and-weaknesses-of-new-Aston-Villa-signing
So, according to this, we will have a very strong right side, with Cash and Bertrand. The left side currently looks like Targett and JG; a proven pairing if we want JG left rather than central. This leaves a gap in the middle unless we're expecting Hourihane or Nakamba to start.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 19, 2020, 12:29:20 PM
Are you saying we can't guarantee he's going to be a success?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Tebepaul on September 19, 2020, 12:37:53 PM
Watkins is a good signing. Martínez is a good signing. Cash has the potential to be a good signing. And we all want Traoré to be a success. But for anyone who has watched Lyon over the past few seasons, this transfer is a huge leap of faith.

Here's the opinion of French football journalist Jonathan Johnson, who doesn't have an axe to grind on this issue.

"Out of 10 jon what do u rate him?"
"In terms of what he can be, or how I feel about the deal? He can be as high as an 8/10, but has rarely shown the consistency to stay at that level. That is why this is a 5/10 or 6/10 maximum move. He is a erratic performer. A world beater 1 week, ghostly the next."
https://twitter.com/Jon_LeGossip/status/1307251797740978176 (https://twitter.com/Jon_LeGossip/status/1307251797740978176) 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: London Villan on September 19, 2020, 12:44:49 PM
Sounds like John Carew...
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2020, 12:48:57 PM
I'd settle for a world beater every other week.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 19, 2020, 01:00:07 PM
I'd settle for a world beater every other week.

Yep, I would too.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 01:01:24 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2020, 01:12:14 PM
He might be inconsistent but, like Carew, if he could do it every week we wouldn't get near him 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on September 19, 2020, 01:15:05 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy

Reads like a lovely poem. I liked the first stanza best.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: eamonn on September 19, 2020, 01:17:59 PM
Great paragraph usage tbf.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 01:22:11 PM
both to kind
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2020, 01:27:46 PM
He might be inconsistent but, like Carew, if he could do it every week we wouldn't get near him 

That’s the thing. I don’t quite get the expectations some have of them players we should be signing given how we stayed up at the last second and we were in the Championship the season before. We’ve been a non entity as a club the past 10 years. The better or best, most consistent players are not going to be available to us yet. We are signing players of the right age and plenty of upside. And next summer if all goes to plan this season we will buy again and likely from a slightly  higher tier.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 19, 2020, 01:37:17 PM
Yes ultimately he played in the Champions League semi last year. He’s played for some pretty decent sides too. I reckon he’s plenty good enough for us.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: DrGonzo on September 19, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
Even if he is just a faster version of Trez, at least he will be a faster version of Trez! I like a good random player signing it's more exciting than Baston, for sure.

Welcome Bertie, be awesome.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Bernie on September 19, 2020, 02:11:47 PM
Sounds like John Carew...
... even better as if you pronounce his name 'Traoree', you can work '... he's going to score two or three' into a song about him.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2020, 02:12:00 PM
Even if he is just a faster version of Trez, at least he will be a faster version of Trez! I like a good random player signing it's more exciting than Baston, for sure.

Welcome Bertie, be awesome.

Let's not weigh him down with too much expectation.

Welcome Bertie, don't be shit.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 19, 2020, 02:21:59 PM
Even if he is just a faster version of Trez, at least he will be a faster version of Trez! I like a good random player signing it's more exciting than Baston, for sure.

Welcome Bertie, be awesome.

Let's not weigh him down with too much expectation.

Welcome Bertie, don't be shit.

Ha ha that made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 19, 2020, 02:28:42 PM
Describes himself as striker and an attacker so possibly bought with an eye that he can go down the middle.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: oldtimernow on September 19, 2020, 02:31:20 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy

I thought we were signing a donkey when we got Peter Withe....

Shows how much I knew!!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2020, 02:43:06 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy
Of course people are entitled to have a view about players that the club are signing. But to say it's stupid that others take the view "give him chance first" is a bit rich. Aren't  they equally entitled to their opinion?You can call me a super optimist all day. When it comes to Aston Villa I'm proud to call myself a super optimist.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: paul_e on September 19, 2020, 02:48:52 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy
Of course people are entitled to have a view about players that the club are signing. But to say it's stupid that others take the view "give him chance first" is a bit rich. Aren't  they equally entitled to their opinion?You can call me a super optimist all day. When it comes to Aston Villa I'm proud to call myself a super optimist.

I don't think you have to be a super optimist to want to see how a guy with just short of a 1in3 career scoring record does in a Villa shirt before deciding we've overpaid because a handful of fans for his previous team think we have.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 19, 2020, 02:50:30 PM
I get excited at most transfers to be fair - I remember thinking Wayne Routledge was our right wing solution under MON.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: eamonn on September 19, 2020, 02:53:04 PM
Yes ultimately he played in the Champions League semi last year.

Last month? Think he was an unused sub. But a fair bit more top-level experience than most of our squad. And he was born the same week that Savo scored his first away goal for Villa at Blackburn so that's something too.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2020, 03:10:05 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy
Of course people are entitled to have a view about players that the club are signing. But to say it's stupid that others take the view "give him chance first" is a bit rich. Aren't  they equally entitled to their opinion?You can call me a super optimist all day. When it comes to Aston Villa I'm proud to call myself a super optimist.

I don't think you have to be a super optimist to want to see how a guy with just short of a 1in3 career scoring record does in a Villa shirt before deciding we've overpaid because a handful of fans for his previous team think we have.
We all want him to be great for the Villa. Let's hope he is.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 19, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy
Of course people are entitled to have a view about players that the club are signing. But to say it's stupid that others take the view "give him chance first" is a bit rich. Aren't  they equally entitled to their opinion?You can call me a super optimist all day. When it comes to Aston Villa I'm proud to call myself a super optimist.

Agree with this.
I never seen him play, so whilst others can take a more negative view on the signing and that’s up to them, I’d say it’s perfectly reasonable for me to say ‘give him a chance’. Also perfectly reasonable to see him play for us before forming an opinion.
That’ll be the super optimist in me then!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on September 19, 2020, 03:22:39 PM
Ooooohhh Bertie Traooooooooré

That fucking White Stripes song knows no bounds in football.

Maybe we could resurrect the "Amore: song we used for Beni Carbone
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: ktvillan on September 19, 2020, 03:23:25 PM

I thought we were signing a donkey when we got Peter Withe....

Shows how much I knew!!

I was going to say that based on his youtube highlights I'm a bit underwhelmed but not as much as when we signed Peter Withe to replace Andy Gray......I loved the taste of that humble pie.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2020, 03:37:31 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Matt C on September 19, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Another key position addressed and by the looks of it, adds some sorely needed pace. Like of all of our signings so far he can improve the first eleven which is the caliber we needed. Four down, two to go.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Luffbralion on September 19, 2020, 04:03:30 PM


I thought we were signing a donkey when we got Peter Withe....

Shows how much I knew!!
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To my shame I used that very term when I heard we were spending £500k on a limited centre forward from Newcastle. Turned out to be the final piece in Ron's jigsaw and definitely amongst our best ever buys. So many others were the reverse ...  for example I was delighted by firstly Sasa Curcic and then Stan Collymore being signed under Sir Brian. You simply can't predict how players are going to perform and all transfers carry some risk. Do the business, Bertrand!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2020, 04:27:05 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Memory failing right now, who were we linked with before we signed Peter Withe? Mick Ferguson rings a bell but I can't remember any others.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: four fornicholl on September 19, 2020, 04:30:07 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: enigma on September 19, 2020, 04:30:58 PM
Just read this on the BBC article on us signing Traore.

"while manager Dean Smith remains on the look-out for reinforcements the deal for Traore is likely to represent the end of the major deals in this window unless an unforeseen opportunity presents itself."

A deal for Rashica unlikely then?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2020, 04:34:23 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Memory failing right now, who were we linked with before we signed Peter Withe? Mick Ferguson rings a bell but I can't remember any others.

Hans Krankl and Bob Latchford.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2020, 04:55:50 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Memory failing right now, who were we linked with before we signed Peter Withe? Mick Ferguson rings a bell but I can't remember any others.

Hans Krankl and Bob Latchford.

The Hans Krankl rumours were a few years before, Dave when he was at Rapid Vienna, I can still picture the back page of the Evening Mail with the story. He was already at Barca when we brought in Withe. Bob Latchford sounds about right, his record at Everton was bloody good. This place would have gone into meltdown when we signed Withe.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 19, 2020, 05:19:52 PM
I'm another one who thought we were buying a totally underwhelming player when we signed Peter Withe.  It didn't take me long to realise I knew nothing.  I watched him a couple of times training at Bodymoor and a more professional attitude would have been very difficult to find.  He really ripped into the others both physically and verbally.  A tremendous player for Aston Villa and deserves his legendary status, I'd love to meet him and tell him so.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: colin69 on September 19, 2020, 05:27:01 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Dwight Yorke?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 05:39:13 PM
seeing Gary Penrice in a pre season friendly/testimonial I thought he was going to go on to be a superstar

I think Kevin Richardson might have played in that same game as a new signing and i decided he was nothing special no more than average

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2020, 05:41:23 PM
I'm another one who thought we were buying a totally underwhelming player when we signed Peter Withe.  It didn't take me long to realise I knew nothing.  I watched him a couple of times training at Bodymoor and a more professional attitude would have been very difficult to find.  He really ripped into the others both physically and verbally.  A tremendous player for Aston Villa and deserves his legendary status, I'd love to meet him and tell him so.

Agreed, Dave. Biggest surprise was how good he was technically, floating in the air to take the ball on his chest, cheeky little back heels, he was some player.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on September 19, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Dwight Yorke?

Paul Mcgrath (spot the connection)
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 19, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Yorke, ten grand purchase, 12.6 mill sale.  Yorke for me.  Platt was a terrific player though.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 19, 2020, 06:43:24 PM
Platts runs into the box from deep, pinpoint passes from Sid to find him, happy days.

No sell on value, but 450k for God himself, gave me years of happiness watching him play and still proud that the man is a true villa legend
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: LeeB on September 19, 2020, 09:29:32 PM
God was the best signing ever.

I'm still yet to see a better defender, anywhere.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2020, 09:34:20 PM
The best signing in my lifetime was Peter Withe. We've had better players and arguably bigger bargains, but none that were as important. 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: ktvillan on September 19, 2020, 09:38:58 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Technically correct but I always kind of saw Geddis, like Terry Donovan,  as a bit of a stopgap - very useful backup during the championship campaign though.

As for the above, when you look at the rough diamonds he sourced, perhaps we should have made Sir Graham our chief scout.  You could probably add Crouchy to that list, not so great for us but a very successful England,  PL and CL player ultimately. 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 19, 2020, 09:47:36 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Dwight Yorke?

Paul Mcgrath (spot the connection)

Graham Taylor was a great talent spotter.

Although to balance it out - he also signed Ormondroyd and Callaghan.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: LeeB on September 19, 2020, 09:56:01 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Dwight Yorke?

Paul Mcgrath (spot the connection)

Graham Taylor was a great talent spotter.

Although to balance it out - he also signed Ormondroyd and Callaghan.

Ormondroyd was a regular starter in a team that finished second. Callaghan I'll give you.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 19, 2020, 10:14:22 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: olaftab on September 19, 2020, 10:19:10 PM
Welcome Bertie.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2020, 10:20:34 PM
Ormondroyd was ridiculed by everyone when we got him including our own fans. But for the time he was with us and certainly in the season we came second at times he was really excellent. The tactic at corners of him flicking on Sid’s pinpoint cross from Platt to attack was superb. And he scored some nice goals too as well as being the most unlikely left winger you can imagine.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 19, 2020, 10:32:41 PM
I remember being at a game early on after we signed him . He was having a mare and looked absolutely distraught to the point of tears .  From a throw in he turned and it hit the back of his head , felt so sorry for him .  Glad he managed to fight back he seemed a good lad
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: robbo1874 on September 19, 2020, 10:40:32 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.
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Post by: WarszaVillan82 on September 19, 2020, 10:45:47 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Dwight Yorke?

Paul Mcgrath (spot the connection)

Graham Taylor was a great talent spotter.

Although to balance it out - he also signed Ormondroyd and Callaghan.

He took Sid back as well: Sid, McGrath, Yorke and Platt for under a million.
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Post by: Rudy65 on September 19, 2020, 10:53:06 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 19, 2020, 11:19:33 PM
Dwight Yorke was an absolutely brilliant find/signing. Platt too was a shrewd bit of business. McGrath was a risk...it really was, but one that came off in bucket loads.  For me, Yorke and McGrath, there’s nothing between them from what they produced on the pitch. Off it, McGrath Wins it. Yorke has turned out to be a bit of a star studded tit. Platt just an ungrateful twat.
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Post by: robbo1874 on September 20, 2020, 12:54:00 AM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game
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Post by: robbo1874 on September 20, 2020, 12:59:46 AM
Anyway back on topic. I watched the interview with him on Villa TV. Didn’t seem to me that he’s entirely convinced he’s made the right move. Villa’s made a lot recently about signing players with the right personality, so hopefully I’m wrong on this. Might have still been trying to still get his head around it when they spoke to him. Welcome and good luck Bertie
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Post by: enigma on September 20, 2020, 07:58:09 AM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game
It was Ian Olney that got a couple in that game, not Ormondroyd. I think he got a couple of assists though.
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Post by: The Edge on September 20, 2020, 08:07:49 AM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game
It was Ian Olney that got a couple in that game, not Ormondroyd. I think he got a couple of assists though.
Ahhh. Good old Olney the lonely.
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Post by: Big Ming on September 20, 2020, 08:28:35 AM
Dwight Yorke was an absolutely brilliant find/signing. Platt too was a shrewd bit of business. McGrath was a risk...it really was, but one that came off in bucket loads.  For me, Yorke and McGrath, there’s nothing between them from what they produced on the pitch. Off it, McGrath Wins it. Yorke has turned out to be a bit of a star studded tit. Platt just an ungrateful twat.
Whenever I saw Platt I thought I was seeing his reflection in the back of a spoon.

(Good footballer though).
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Post by: thick_mike on September 20, 2020, 08:30:10 AM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game

I bought every newspaper from the newsagent’s the following morning. One memorably said Ormondroyd played like “a modern day Puskás”.

I saw him getting into a mini metro in Brighouse a few years later. It was like watching someone work out how to get their flat pack kitchen back from ikea.
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Post by: PeterWithe on September 20, 2020, 09:23:13 AM
I saw him getting into a mini metro in Brighouse a few years later. It was like watching someone work out how to get their flat pack kitchen back from ikea.

What a marvelous turn of phrase. Good stuff.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 20, 2020, 10:36:37 AM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game
It was Ian Olney that got a couple in that game, not Ormondroyd. I think he got a couple of assists though.
Ahhh. Good old Olney the lonely.
Dum dum dum dubuyuwah
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 20, 2020, 11:09:12 AM
McGrath was the most unlike SGT signing ever.  I was amazed when he bought him.  But was rather glad he did.  That game against Manure the 3-0 on Boxing Day.  38000 people singing ‘thank you very much for Paul McGrath.’ 
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Post by: john e on September 20, 2020, 11:13:24 AM
Ormandroyd was never going to be a world beater but it was impossible to dislike him
he did some good stuff, and gave everything in every game

I was at Spurs the night we went top of the league I’m sure Ormandroyd scored that night he had a great game
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 20, 2020, 11:21:04 AM
He did a first time cracker from outside the box.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 20, 2020, 11:25:04 AM


Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
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17m
VILLA. Gave Traore a major 65k-a-week deal. Helped in permit application. One of the factors considered is size of personal deal and where he sits in club's payroll. Big investment
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Post by: four fornicholl on September 20, 2020, 11:33:03 AM
Really hope he does the business, but have this elephant in the room feeling he is plan B.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 20, 2020, 11:34:00 AM
Is 65k really that major these days (I mean obviously it's a shit-ton of money but in the crazy Premier League scheme of things)? I thought 50/60kish was fairly standard for a player coming from big clubs or who'd played internationally.

The young lad from Wigan who went to Fulham - Antonee Robinson was said to be on 60kish, and I think that's what the papers said Watkins had been given too.
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Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2020, 12:00:51 PM
Probably. I just hope we're not overloading the wage bill, we've been there before so many times. We over-spend on a player, he turns out shit and we're stuck with him for the duration of his contract.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 20, 2020, 12:07:01 PM
Probably. I just hope we're not overloading the wage bill, we've been there before so many times. We over-spend on a player, he turns out shit and we're stuck with him for the duration of his contract.

Yep.

The key is getting rid of those who aren't contributing to balance out the 'new' wages - the kind of players you're talking about who are just a drain on the wage budget.

From last year's budget:
Drinkwater's £60k - paid for Jack's wage increase.
Reina / Hogan's wages - probably equates to Watkins's wages
Bomb Lansbury, Jota, Nyland and Kalinic out to some poor unsuspecting fool and you're probably talking the sharp end of £150k per week off the wage bill without losing anyone who is going to be missed. That's probably Martinez, Cash and Traore's wages accounted for right there.
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Post by: dave shelley on September 20, 2020, 12:20:06 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game
It was Ian Olney that got a couple in that game, not Ormondroyd. I think he got a couple of assists though.
Ahhh. Good old Olney the lonely.
Dum dum dum dubuyuwah

Sorry CL you've definitely left a doo out of  dubuyuwah.
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Post by: tomd2103 on September 20, 2020, 12:25:57 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game

I bought every newspaper from the newsagent’s the following morning. One memorably said Ormondroyd played like “a modern day Puskás”.

I saw him getting into a mini metro in Brighouse a few years later. It was like watching someone work out how to get their flat pack kitchen back from ikea.

Pretty sure one of the characters in the film Brassed Off is named Ormondroyd after him.
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Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2020, 12:38:02 PM
Please stop long quoting.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 20, 2020, 12:41:44 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Technically correct but I always kind of saw Geddis, like Terry Donovan,  as a bit of a stopgap - very useful backup during the championship campaign though.

As for the above, when you look at the rough diamonds he sourced, perhaps we should have made Sir Graham our chief scout.  You could probably add Crouchy to that list, not so great for us but a very successful England,  PL and CL player ultimately. 

Anyone with any sense could see that Crouch was going to be a good player, but he was around at one of those times when any player signed by the manager had to be wrong, because everything the manager did was wrong, because everything at the club was wrong. 
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 20, 2020, 12:44:18 PM
Agree Crouch could and should have been a very good player for us.
O’Leary wasn’t it who binned him?
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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 12:48:18 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Technically correct but I always kind of saw Geddis, like Terry Donovan,  as a bit of a stopgap - very useful backup during the championship campaign though.

As for the above, when you look at the rough diamonds he sourced, perhaps we should have made Sir Graham our chief scout.  You could probably add Crouchy to that list, not so great for us but a very successful England,  PL and CL player ultimately. 

Anyone with any sense could see that Crouch was going to be a good player, but he was around at one of those times when any player signed by the manager had to be wrong, because everything the manager did was wrong, because everything at the club was wrong. 

That's true, Newcastle at at the very same point right now.

He was also unfortunate in that his return from Norwich, with his confidence restored, coincided with JPA's best form for us. I don't think he'd have been at the front of players to get shot of, but O'Leary had pennies to work with and an offer on the table for a player who wasn't first choice. Typically though, JPA wasn't anywhere near as good again, and Crouch's career then takes off at Southampton and 12 months down the line he's off to Liverpool for 4 times what they paid us.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 20, 2020, 12:58:31 PM
All in all it was a horrible time, and I don't think Sir Graham would have gone anywhere near the job if he'd known half of what was going on. There were splits all over the place, half a dozen players virtually on strike, revolting supporters and as history shows, we never take kindly to anyone who replaces a populist figure - which John Gregory certainly was. Crouch was poster boy for the new manager and as such never really had a chance. 
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Post by: maidstonevillain on September 20, 2020, 01:14:50 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.

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Post by: Proposition Joe on September 20, 2020, 01:25:50 PM
All in all it was a horrible time, and I don't think Sir Graham would have gone anywhere near the job if he'd known half of what was going on. There were splits all over the place, half a dozen players virtually on strike, revolting supporters and as history shows, we never take kindly to anyone who replaces a populist figure - which John Gregory certainly was. Crouch was poster boy for the new manager and as such never really had a chance. 

This is true.  There was also the impression that Taylor had replaced the "fans' signing" Angel with Crouch, as a harbinger of route one football instead of passing football, which also upset a lot of supporters.  I think the supporter base back then was as split as the dressing room you make out.
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Post by: Risso on September 20, 2020, 01:28:23 PM
In 02/03 Crouch didn't score a goal for us, so was loaned out to continue his development.  He then couldn't force his way into a regular spot ahead of JPA and Vassell who got 16 goals and 9 goals respectively.  I guess he probably wanted to leave at that point. 
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Post by: Goldie.7 on September 20, 2020, 01:34:46 PM
Probably. I just hope we're not overloading the wage bill, we've been there before so many times. We over-spend on a player, he turns out shit and we're stuck with him for the duration of his contract.
Bomb Lansbury, Jota, Nyland and Kalinic out to some poor unsuspecting fool and you're probably talking the sharp end of £150k per week off the wage bill without losing anyone who is going to be missed.

Name one club that's going to pay Lansbury over £2m in wages this season?
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 20, 2020, 01:49:14 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Pound for pound?

Dwight Yorke.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 20, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Probably. I just hope we're not overloading the wage bill, we've been there before so many times. We over-spend on a player, he turns out shit and we're stuck with him for the duration of his contract.
Bomb Lansbury, Jota, Nyland and Kalinic out to some poor unsuspecting fool and you're probably talking the sharp end of £150k per week off the wage bill without losing anyone who is going to be missed.

Name one club that's going to pay Lansbury over £2m in wages this season?

How on earth would I know who is or isn't interested in our players?

I wouldn't have thought any sensible human being would have considered spending actual money on ridding us of Scott Hogan either, but there we go.

The point still remains that the extra wages we are paying out this summer to new signings so far would be theoretically be balanced out by losing those four players. I didn't say it was going to happen. If anything it shows just how ridiculous our recruitment and contracting has been in the past.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 20, 2020, 01:57:45 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Pound for pound?

Dwight Yorke.

Good discussion but finding a kid in T&T while on a tour, getting him for essentially nothing, and that kid turning out to be one of the best top division players for us ever is a hell of a deal. That he also went on to immense success at Man U cements for me his place because it further highlighted how good Dwight was.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 20, 2020, 02:12:05 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.



Terrific insight into Graham Taylor's management, really enjoyed that. Thanks for posting.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on September 20, 2020, 02:17:01 PM
Gareth Barry has to be up there with our best ever signings. Nearly 11 years in the first team then sold for £12m.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 20, 2020, 04:05:38 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.



Terrific insight into Graham Taylor's management, really enjoyed that. Thanks for posting.

Nice interview that, from what seems like a really lovely down to earth bloke, ‘keen as mustard’ 😊

I’ll always remember him being in the 89-90 side that could of, maybe should of won the league, galloping down the left wing, with Tony Daley, flying down the right, happy days those.
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Post by: john e on September 20, 2020, 04:12:24 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Pound for pound?

Dwight Yorke.

Good discussion but finding a kid in T&T while on a tour, getting him for essentially nothing, and that kid turning out to be one of the best top division players for us ever is a hell of a deal. That he also went on to immense success at Man U cements for me his place because it further highlighted how good Dwight was.

Yeah good old Doug
he was a proper football man who could spot a player even on his hols


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Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2020, 04:14:36 PM
Good discussion but finding a kid in T&T while on a tour, getting him for essentially nothing, and that kid turning out to be one of the best top division players for us ever is a hell of a deal. That he also went on to immense success at Man U cements for me his place because it further highlighted how good Dwight was.
Yeah good old Doug
he was a proper football man who could spot a player even on his hols
"Dwight's like a son to me"
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Post by: saunders_heroes on September 20, 2020, 05:00:11 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Pound for pound?

Dwight Yorke.

Good discussion but finding a kid in T&T while on a tour, getting him for essentially nothing, and that kid turning out to be one of the best top division players for us ever is a hell of a deal. That he also went on to immense success at Man U cements for me his place because it further highlighted how good Dwight was.

Yorke was great but Platt was better.
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Post by: TaxDodger on September 20, 2020, 05:12:35 PM
I’d say Tammy Abraham should be in the conversation as our pound for pound best ever signing. We certainly wouldn’t have gone up that season without him.
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Post by: OCD on September 20, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
Best ever loan signing maybe.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
Very harsh on Gustavo Bartelt.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 20, 2020, 07:57:06 PM
I think for value that Alan Wright was a brilliant signing for £1m
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Post by: charlatan on September 20, 2020, 08:03:36 PM
Ugo went well for a £40,000 signing.
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 20, 2020, 08:12:22 PM
Mark Delaney wasn’t bad either
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 20, 2020, 08:13:22 PM
Considering we not only got good service as a player but also forms part of the back room staff now
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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 20, 2020, 08:29:31 PM
Tayls at 1.1m surely up there too,
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Post by: OCD on September 20, 2020, 08:54:06 PM
£2m for McGinn with how money has gone in recent years.
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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 08:57:16 PM
Tayls at 1.1m surely up there too,

I think he's unfairly criticised but I wouldn't want him at left back every week.

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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 20, 2020, 09:09:32 PM
Only one Tayls big boy.
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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 09:14:19 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.
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Post by: john e on September 20, 2020, 09:16:54 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Big Boy
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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 20, 2020, 09:17:06 PM
Wow, where did that come from.

Tayls is a Villa legend, shortening his name means nothing.

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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 09:18:27 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Big Boy

I thought we agreed to keep that to ourselves John.
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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 20, 2020, 09:21:37 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?
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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 09:47:04 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?

No, you plum, the equivalent would be calling them 'Staunts' or 'Pets or 'Ags'.

I need to clean myself now.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 20, 2020, 09:48:57 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?

No, you plum, the equivalent would be calling them 'Staunts' or 'Pets or 'Ags'.

I need to clean myself now.

How about trying to stop picking arguments?
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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 09:56:22 PM
Sorry Dave, but it's hardly bloody pistols at dawn is it?

Apologies to King Billy and his Zombie army.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 20, 2020, 10:02:29 PM
Sorry Dave, but it's hardly bloody pistols at dawn is it?

Apologies to King Billy and his Zombie army.

Behave.
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Post by: mallo on September 20, 2020, 10:24:46 PM
Is this still the Bertrand Traore thread?
Noted - AOB?

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Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2020, 10:51:26 PM
Lyon have a 15% sell-on clause. In a way, gives more confidence that he is a player who can grow to be a baller.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 09:12:01 AM
Looking forward to seeing Greals, Wattie, Bertie, Emzie, Cashy, Dougie, J Mac  all in action tonight.
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Post by: Mister E on September 21, 2020, 09:15:13 AM
Looking forward to seeing Greals, Wattie, Bertie, Emzie, Cashy, Dougie, J Mac  all in action tonight.
Hey, Eastie: How you doing?!!
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Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 09:17:08 AM
Lyon have a 15% sell-on clause. In a way, gives more confidence that he is a player who can grow to be a baller.

We should insist in clubs taking a cut of the losses we always seem to make!
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Post by: LeeB on September 21, 2020, 09:35:52 AM
Looking forward to seeing Greals, Wattie, Bertie, Emzie, Cashy, Dougie, J Mac  all in action tonight.

Grrrrr
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 09:51:39 AM
Haha
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 21, 2020, 09:55:13 AM
Looking forward to seeing Greals, Wattie, Bertie, Emzie, Cashy, Dougie, J Mac  all in action tonight.

Grrrrr


we can go shorter than that  ;) :D
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 21, 2020, 10:04:13 AM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?

No, you plum, the equivalent would be calling them 'Staunts' or 'Pets or 'Ags'.

I need to clean myself now.
I'd normally be with you on this kind of thing Lee, but I'm pretty sure Tayls has been a pretty common monicker for Ian Taylor over the years. 
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 21, 2020, 10:14:40 AM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?

No, you plum, the equivalent would be calling them 'Staunts' or 'Pets or 'Ags'.

I need to clean myself now.
I'd normally be with you on this kind of thing Lee, but I'm pretty sure Tayls has been a pretty common monicker for Ian Taylor over the years. 


I get more annoyed with pundits who refer to people like Gerard as Stevieeee and alike , ugh !
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Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 10:24:22 AM
I agree with Leebs.
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Post by: LeeB on September 21, 2020, 10:30:13 AM
Lyon have a 15% sell-on clause. In a way, gives more confidence that he is a player who can grow to be a baller.

We should insist in clubs taking a cut of the losses we always seem to make!

I was thinking about these sell on clauses, and those "if he makes x appearances it's another £2m" ones. If I was a player I wouldn't sign a contract unless they were all taken out, fuck not getting a game at some point down the line because the club are skint, or not getting a move because you're club are too tight to pay the club you left years ago.
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Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 10:59:29 AM
Lyon have a 15% sell-on clause. In a way, gives more confidence that he is a player who can grow to be a baller.

We should insist in clubs taking a cut of the losses we always seem to make!

I was thinking about these sell on clauses, and those "if he makes x appearances it's another £2m" ones. If I was a player I wouldn't sign a contract unless they were all taken out, fuck not getting a game at some point down the line because the club are skint, or not getting a move because you're club are too tight to pay the club you left years ago.

I don't care what aybody says, that was definitely the reason Curtis Davies's appearances stalled when it did.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 21, 2020, 11:23:23 AM
Lyon have a 15% sell-on clause. In a way, gives more confidence that he is a player who can grow to be a baller.

We should insist in clubs taking a cut of the losses we always seem to make!

I was thinking about these sell on clauses, and those "if he makes x appearances it's another £2m" ones. If I was a player I wouldn't sign a contract unless they were all taken out, fuck not getting a game at some point down the line because the club are skint, or not getting a move because you're club are too tight to pay the club you left years ago.

I don't care what aybody says, that was definitely the reason Curtis Davies's appearances stalled when it did.

Adama Traore was similar, appearance dried up just under a possible appearance fee payment.
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Post by: The Edge on September 21, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?

No, you plum, the equivalent would be calling them 'Staunts' or 'Pets or 'Ags'.

I need to clean myself now.
I'd normally be with you on this kind of thing Lee, but I'm pretty sure Tayls has been a pretty common monicker for Ian Taylor over the years.
A mate of mine insisted on calling Gabby "Aggy" That used to piss everyone off. Come to think of it that's probably why he did it.
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Post by: LeeB on September 21, 2020, 12:33:58 PM
Still enquirying is this still the Bertrand Traore thread?
I think  some have misread Traroe for furore
with this name nonsense.
I'll at least have the decency to tag our new signing.
Name Tag:
Bertie , Berts, BT , Beets, Trah Trah.

Such choices



Stop it. Stop it now.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 12:43:51 PM
I like BT.  It has got a ring to it.
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Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 12:44:09 PM
Still enquirying is this still the Bertrand Traore thread?
I think  some have misread Traroe for furore
with this name nonsense.
I'll at least have the decency to tag our new signing.
Name Tag:
Bertie , Berts, BT , Beets, Trah Trah.

Such choices



Stop it. Stop it now.

I think you should be in the Martinez thread with that nickname.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 12:45:02 PM
But can anyone tell if he's eligible to play / be part of the squad V Sheff Utd or do we wait Thursday at Bristol City ?


It was still awaiting international clearance on Saturday so I am going go guess it is a no.
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Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2020, 09:22:00 PM
His goal tonight was sublime l like the look of him.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2020, 09:22:46 PM
Looked good, got lucky with the mishit cross mind.
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Post by: eamonn on September 24, 2020, 09:22:59 PM
Pure impudence. Nice to know we have someone other than Jack who can score a goal like that.
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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 24, 2020, 09:24:19 PM
Welcome Berts, great start.
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Post by: algy on September 25, 2020, 06:53:42 AM
I have a feeling I'm going to love Bertie. Loads of clever little runs, quick passes, ... will undoubtedly be frustrating at times, but sublime at others.
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Post by: john e on September 25, 2020, 07:58:50 AM
I enjoyed his debut and have high hopes

(I’ve had those before though)
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Post by: LeeB on September 25, 2020, 08:59:25 AM
I enjoyed his debut and have high hopes

(I’ve had those before though)

I'm sorry I let you down pal.
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Post by: Fred Crump on September 25, 2020, 09:04:41 AM
I enjoyed his debut and have high hopes

(I’ve had those before though)

I'm sorry I let you down pal.
Never mind Big Boy, I thought you were great
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 25, 2020, 10:24:15 AM
well he is not Bolaise at least . Great debut . Another one of him on the other wing and we are looking good.
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Post by: manic-road on September 25, 2020, 10:27:20 AM
Lovely goal last night on debut, hope he hasa great season. I honestly can't remember the last time we had a great winger, hope he turns out to be just that.
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Post by: rooboy316 on September 25, 2020, 11:35:07 AM
Looked good, got lucky with the mishit cross mind.
I thought it was nailed on a mis hit cross, until I started reading this thread and no one else seemed to think so!
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 25, 2020, 11:45:01 AM
I think Terry said it was a cross in his interview with AVTV
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Post by: SashasGrandad on September 25, 2020, 11:56:34 AM
The goal was superb

The pass to set it up from Ramsey even better in my opinion
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Post by: Mister E on September 25, 2020, 12:41:03 PM
The goal was superb

The pass to set it up from Ramsey even better in my opinion
Indeed, the pass was class; the 'shot' was a crossing attempt in MHO.
Looked very, very clever, though!!
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Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2020, 12:50:37 PM
Not just the pass, Ramsey carried the ball about 20-30 yards before that and did really well to even get into the position to play the pass. It was a brilliant assist and a superb finish, goal of the season contender already for me.
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Post by: Axl Rose on September 25, 2020, 01:00:14 PM
Not just the pass, Ramsey carried the ball about 20-30 yards before that and did really well to even get into the position to play the pass. It was a brilliant assist and a superb finish, goal of the season contender already for me.

This. It was a lovely goal. Well done to both!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 25, 2020, 01:07:42 PM
I think he absolutely meant it. There was one player (I forget who) coming in but he took it first time perfectly with the keeper moving in the wrong direction. Was he lucky in the sense he took a spinning ball mid flight and dropped it over the keeper without breaking stride. I mean I suppose you have to have a little. But watching it a few times I have no doubt it was intended.
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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 25, 2020, 10:15:17 PM
100% meant it from Berts.

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Post by: Bad English on September 26, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
My French football-loving mates© all pout and shrug when you mention his name. One good game then vanishes for a bit seems to be the theme.

Not that I give a fuck what our baldy history teacher has to say. Or the PSG fan behind the bar at the local PMU café-bar.
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Post by: eamonn on September 26, 2020, 11:29:38 AM
Too right BE. Fuck'em and their nonchalance.
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Post by: eamonn on September 26, 2020, 11:32:43 AM
Lovely goal last night on debut, hope he hasa great season. I honestly can't remember the last time we had a great winger, hope he turns out to be just that.

Ashley Young?

Bert's beauty was probably our best didhemeanit Coca Cola Cup goal since Angel's at Bolton in the 2004 semi.
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Post by: Steve67 on September 26, 2020, 11:35:52 AM
I reckon he will be frustrating and great in equal measure but that's what wingers are like.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 26, 2020, 11:54:33 AM
If that goal wasn't meant then who the hell was he aiming for, given that there wasn't a Villa player within ten yards of where he put it?
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Post by: Zouch Villa on September 26, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
I reckon Bertie will be one of those players who will swing from relatively anonymous to game changing from one match to another, and right now I think I can live with that given how difficult we find it to break teams down doing the same thing over and over again.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 26, 2020, 12:06:28 PM
I reckon Bertie will be one of those players who will swing from relatively anonymous to game changing from one match to another, and right now I think I can live with that given how difficult we find it to break teams down doing the same thing over and over again.
like El Ghazi... but better?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 26, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
Exactly.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 26, 2020, 01:39:47 PM
If that goal wasn't meant then who the hell was he aiming for, given that there wasn't a Villa player within ten yards of where he put it?

Agreed. He knew exactly what he was doing
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Post by: Drummond on September 27, 2020, 12:46:28 AM
If that goal wasn't meant then who the hell was he aiming for, given that there wasn't a Villa player within ten yards of where he put it?

He must be really shit to put in a cross like that....
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Post by: olaftab on September 27, 2020, 01:19:05 AM
Bert's beauty was probably our best didhemeanit Coca Cola Cup goal since Angel's at Bolton in the 2004 semi.
There is nothing at all didhemeanit about his goal. It was absolutely exactly  precisely what he wanted to do.
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Post by: themossman on September 27, 2020, 09:45:13 AM
I reckon Bertie will be one of those players who will swing from relatively anonymous to game changing from one match to another, and right now I think I can live with that given how difficult we find it to break teams down doing the same thing over and over again.
like El Ghazi... but better?

If we can successfully rotate them so we only get their good games then we’ll be unbeatable.
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Post by: eamonn on September 27, 2020, 10:41:22 AM
Bert's beauty was probably our best didhemeanit Coca Cola Cup goal since Angel's at Bolton in the 2004 semi.
There is nothing at all didhemeanit about his goal. It was absolutely exactly  precisely what he wanted to do.

I mean, I agree but just reflecting other views. I was a bit sad to read suggestions on here after the game that it was a mishit  or John Terry in his interview unsure whether it was a cross or a shot.
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Post by: algy on September 27, 2020, 12:12:01 PM
I'm quite happy for him to score as many mishit crosses as possible.
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Post by: eamonn on September 27, 2020, 01:13:42 PM
Misshapes, mistakes, mishits.
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Post by: amfy on September 27, 2020, 04:32:44 PM
My French football-loving mates© all pout and shrug when you mention his name. One good game then vanishes for a bit seems to be the theme.

Not that I give a fuck what our baldy history teacher has to say. Or the PSG fan behind the bar at the local PMU café-bar.

These are the same fans who were happy for John Carew to leave because he had no movement.
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Post by: Villa Lew on September 29, 2020, 09:49:00 AM
Just couldn't understand why Dean only gave him only 10 mins game time, should have bought him after 60 minutes, as you say the bloke's class. It concerns me that Dean is once again gonna start with Trez on Sunday, which would make no sense at all.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 29, 2020, 09:49:53 AM
Why, did we lose?
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Post by: Drummond on September 29, 2020, 10:03:18 AM
Just couldn't understand why Dean only gave him only 10 mins game time, should have bought him after 60 minutes, as you say the bloke's class. It concerns me that Dean is once again gonna start with Trez on Sunday, which would make no sense at all.

Because he wanted Ramsey to play, and see how different the team was with him in it.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 29, 2020, 10:10:46 AM
Just couldn't understand why Dean only gave him only 10 mins game time, should have bought him after 60 minutes, as you say the bloke's class. It concerns me that Dean is once again gonna start with Trez on Sunday, which would make no sense at all.
It would make a lot of sense to me - we will need his tracking back and workrate against 'The Mighty Reds YNWA''s wingbacks and I'm not sure Traore will give us that just yet.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 29, 2020, 01:29:55 PM
Just couldn't understand why Dean only gave him only 10 mins game time, should have bought him after 60 minutes, as you say the bloke's class. It concerns me that Dean is once again gonna start with Trez on Sunday, which would make no sense at all.

You are creating an issue in your head that doesn’t exist.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 29, 2020, 01:48:03 PM
When you're winning three-nil but coming under pressure, you aren't going to bring on a player with half an hour to go just to give him some game time.
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Post by: rooboy316 on September 29, 2020, 02:19:38 PM
I suspect he’s also keeping Traore fresh for a start against Stoke. Trez, if he can work his bollocks off like last night, should start against Liverpool for his tracking back.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 29, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
I suspect he’s also keeping Traore fresh for a start against Stoke. Trez, if he can work his bollocks off like last night, should start against Liverpool for his tracking back.

Agree, Trez's workrate is superb
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Post by: JD on October 10, 2020, 07:30:55 AM
He scored the first today in a 3-0 win for his country.
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Post by: Steve67 on October 10, 2020, 09:24:33 AM
We are littered with internationals.  Great promotion/exposure for Aston Villa.
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Post by: kipeye on October 10, 2020, 10:28:08 AM
Its still too early to judge Berty for me. I wonder if he will be consistent and put a shift in when things are bad. No way of telling yet and he obviously  has the kind of talent we can really do with.
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Post by: rooboy316 on October 10, 2020, 10:44:18 AM
It’ll be exciting to watch him when he hits his straps. The chance when he was through on goal vs 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' was a good learning opportunity. In inferior leagues he can take that extra touch and put it into the net. In the top flight Vs James Milner, you don’t have the luxury of time. Glad it happened after we’d scored 6 or 7!
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Post by: richtheholtender on November 02, 2020, 10:25:25 PM
Any news on his injury?
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 02, 2020, 11:09:35 PM
Smith said his initial view was that it was unlikely to be too serious yesterday. Haven't heard anything since.
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Post by: in exile on November 03, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
Sky Sports News reported that he "is being monitored" - make of that what you will.
I hope we haven't got another ElGhazi on our hands. 
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 04, 2020, 12:54:45 AM
I'm mystified by your comment. Whatever AEG's faults may be, he hasn't missed many games due to fitness issues.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2020, 01:49:26 AM
Not that I agree with him in the slightest but I think he’s referring to bottle which was aimed at El Ghazi against Everton last season.
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Post by: in exile on November 04, 2020, 01:13:39 PM
Yep.
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Post by: brontebilly on November 05, 2020, 12:00:26 AM
AEG 'limping' off at Southampton was far worse.

Early impressions on Bert aren't positive I'm afraid, providing cover for Matt Cash certainly won't be his strength on the right wing. Maybe up top at times with Watkins shifting left or at 10. But with Jack on one side, we need more of a grafter on the right wing and that isn't Bert's game.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on November 05, 2020, 12:02:08 AM
AEG 'limping' off at Southampton was far worse.

Early impressions on Bert aren't positive I'm afraid, providing cover for Matt Cash certainly won't be his strength on the right wing. Maybe up top at times with Watkins shifting left or at 10. But with Jack on one side, we need more of a grafter on the right wing and that isn't Bert's game.

That's the spirit.
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Post by: Axl Rose on November 05, 2020, 12:31:34 AM
AEG 'limping' off at Southampton was far worse.

Early impressions on Bert aren't positive I'm afraid, providing cover for Matt Cash certainly won't be his strength on the right wing. Maybe up top at times with Watkins shifting left or at 10. But with Jack on one side, we need more of a grafter on the right wing and that isn't Bert's game.

I think he needs a little more time to get up to speed, play full matches, etc.
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Post by: Drummond on November 05, 2020, 12:59:41 AM
AEG 'limping' off at Southampton was far worse.

Early impressions on Bert aren't positive I'm afraid, providing cover for Matt Cash certainly won't be his strength on the right wing. Maybe up top at times with Watkins shifting left or at 10. But with Jack on one side, we need more of a grafter on the right wing and that isn't Bert's game.

Based on how many minutes playing time?
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 05, 2020, 01:12:30 AM
Fucking Hell. 😁
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 05, 2020, 01:19:00 AM
He's played about 80 minutes of league football for us, how much time do you need ffs!
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Post by: Clampy on November 05, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Ridiculous.
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Post by: Axl Rose on November 05, 2020, 09:20:11 AM
You have to be a good player to score a goal like he scored at Bristol City.
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Post by: Lsvilla on November 05, 2020, 09:42:25 AM
I liked the way he got the ball on the turn about 30 yards from goal before being fouled for the free kick Ross put into the wall. I thought it showed he could play more central.
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Post by: OCD on November 05, 2020, 11:15:37 AM
Lyon started using him as a wing-back so he would have had to put plenty of work in to play that role.

I had forgotten that AEG did that at Southampton. It was quite pathetic and did make him look like someone who didn't have the stomach for a relegation battle.
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Post by: villabear on November 05, 2020, 11:29:02 AM
You have to be a good player to score a goal like he scored at Bristol City.

I’m still not sure he meant it. His celebration was very muted. I’d have been doing the full Mick Channon down the wing if I’d have scored that.
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Post by: Axl Rose on November 05, 2020, 11:33:19 AM
You have to be a good player to score a goal like he scored at Bristol City.

I’m still not sure he meant it. His celebration was very muted. I’d have been doing the full Mick Channon down the wing if I’d have scored that.

Haha. Fair enough. I'd have been fully naked, jumping into the Holte if I'd have scored a goal like that.
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Post by: Ian. on November 05, 2020, 01:11:30 PM
This is a joke right? I know some like to right players off after half a season but after a few cameo appearances?
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Post by: DrGonzo on November 05, 2020, 04:37:27 PM
Of course it's not a joke... this is a discussion forum.  It'd be very boring if we were all sensible and formed balanced opinions based upon evidence rather than jumping to conclusions because Villa have not played well for a couple of matches and a player left the pitch with a knock!
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Post by: colin69 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:16 PM
Far too early to make any snap decisions on Bert but I’ve been very impressed with Trez so far this season and was surprised when he was only on the bench against Saints.
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Post by: paul_e on November 05, 2020, 08:47:32 PM
Players going off with a knock often fit into one of 2 very clear categories, if the person commenting likes them then it's a sensible precaution to protect an important player. If they don't then the player is a fucking coward who isn't up for the fight and wanted an early shower. For further examples see comments regarding Targett a couple of times.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 05, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
Yes, we've seen this pattern before.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2020, 07:30:26 AM
Absolutely bonkers.
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Post by: Risso on November 06, 2020, 09:04:14 AM
Players going off with a knock often fit into one of 2 very clear categories, if the person commenting likes them then it's a sensible precaution to protect an important player. If they don't then the player is a fucking coward who isn't up for the fight and wanted an early shower. For further examples see comments regarding Targett a couple of times.

What if you like Targett but still think that the thought of playing aganst Traore terrifies him?!
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Post by: in exile on November 06, 2020, 10:51:30 AM
Players going off with a knock often fit into one of 2 very clear categories, if the person commenting likes them then it's a sensible precaution to protect an important player. If they don't then the player is a fucking coward who isn't up for the fight and wanted an early shower. For further examples see comments regarding Targett a couple of times.
People are entitled to their opinions, just as you are.
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Post by: paul_e on November 06, 2020, 01:21:26 PM
Players going off with a knock often fit into one of 2 very clear categories, if the person commenting likes them then it's a sensible precaution to protect an important player. If they don't then the player is a fucking coward who isn't up for the fight and wanted an early shower. For further examples see comments regarding Targett a couple of times.

What if you like Targett but still think that the thought of playing aganst Traore terrifies him?!

Then you've got nothing to do with the point. If, however, you think he was so terrified that he faked an injury then you don't really like him as much as you're pretending because, with no knowledge of what he was thinking or feeling, you're willing to label him as a coward instead of accepting that he was injured. That's exactly the point, if Jack went off in the same circumstances as Bertie did at no point would there be accusations of not being up for it thrown at him. That should be the same for every player unless someone at the club suggests otherwise.
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Post by: Risso on November 06, 2020, 01:25:28 PM
Christ, what a humourless, grey world you seem to inhabit.
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Post by: paul_e on November 06, 2020, 02:58:50 PM
Christ, what a humourless, grey world you seem to inhabit.

What the fuck is wrong with you, are you really so thin-skinned that you have to start insults because you've bene disagreed with? Dave W asked how old you were on another thread, I'm guessing about 6.
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Post by: Risso on November 06, 2020, 03:39:56 PM
That's just par for the course with you Paul, and absolutely everybody knows it.
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Post by: paul_e on November 06, 2020, 03:45:50 PM
That's just par for the course with you Paul, and absolutely everybody knows it.

You're not worth taking seriously, you spend half the time on here trying to goad people into arguing with you to feed your fragile ego and it's not worth my time so onto ignore you go.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on November 06, 2020, 07:52:08 PM
So is he fit or not for sunday?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2020, 08:11:53 PM
So is he fit or not for sunday?

no
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Post by: dave.woodhall on November 06, 2020, 08:41:01 PM
That's just par for the course with you Paul, and absolutely everybody knows it.

You're not worth taking seriously, you spend half the time on here trying to goad people into arguing with you to feed your fragile ego and it's not worth my time so onto ignore you go.

Both of you, stop arguing.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2020, 09:03:59 AM
So is he fit or not for sunday?
depends if you like him or not :)
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Post by: Allan C on November 07, 2020, 09:41:22 AM
Players going off with a knock often fit into one of 2 very clear categories, if the person commenting likes them then it's a sensible precaution to protect an important player. If they don't then the player is a fucking coward who isn't up for the fight and wanted an early shower. For further examples see comments regarding Targett a couple of times.
People are entitled to their opinions, just as you are.
But he’s right though!! Depends entirely on who the  player is
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2020, 09:58:12 AM
got to love a scape-goat down the Villa
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Post by: eamonn on November 07, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
Who, Paul E or Risso? Think the Holte are ambivalent to both tbh.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on November 07, 2020, 10:19:02 AM
I think players like Grealish and McGinn to a lesser extent have earned the right for a bit of leeway from the supporters. What I find a bit strange about this season so far, is that some of the new players, cash and barklay in particular, have received fairly heavy criticism already, and that’s after we’ve had a good start to the season relatively. And Traore, some people have decided he’s shit after a cameo when we’re 7-2 up and 10 minutes before getting injured. Maybe it’s just related to the trials of last season??
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Post by: Clampy on November 07, 2020, 10:29:27 AM
I think players like Grealish and McGinn to a lesser extent have earned the right for a bit of leeway from the supporters. What I find a bit strange about this season so far, is that some of the new players, cash and barklay in particular, have received fairly heavy criticism already, and that’s after we’ve had a good start to the season relatively. And Traore, some people have decided he’s shit after a cameo when we’re 7-2 up and 10 minutes before getting injured. Maybe it’s just related to the trials of last season??

It's just lack of patience.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 07, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
Dunno how anyone can judge Traore on his appearances so far.
There are some reasonable question marks over wether Cash is much of an upgrade on Guilbert.
The jury is still out on Barkley.
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Post by: paul_e on November 07, 2020, 10:49:41 AM
A lack of patience is a big part of it but I think there's more to it, the amount of money in the game has created an idea amongst fans that if something isn't working you can just keep throwing money at it and that leads to some fans creating snap judgements on players so they can talk about how we need to sign x, y and z in the next window. once a player has been written off as useless to the squad it takes months of solid performances for them to turn it around.
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Post by: OCD on November 07, 2020, 11:33:06 AM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.
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Post by: colin69 on November 07, 2020, 03:53:47 PM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.

This.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 07, 2020, 05:33:41 PM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.

Yep. It’s why people should also avoid writing off Wesley.
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Post by: darren woolley on November 07, 2020, 06:04:02 PM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.

Totally agree with you.
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Post by: brontebilly on November 07, 2020, 07:07:25 PM
My concerns are more about Traore's suitability for the role he seems to have been bought for (right wing but a lot expected without the ball in terms of covering the right back). Not 'writing him off' or anything else.
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Post by: Risso on November 07, 2020, 07:31:11 PM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.

Yep. It’s why people should also avoid writing off Wesley.

What about Drinkwater, McCormack and Hogan?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2020, 07:42:11 PM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.

Yep. It’s why people should also avoid writing off Wesley.

What about Drinkwater, McCormack and Hogan?
and Balaban
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 07, 2020, 11:59:39 PM
All of the above-named (represses a shudder) had plenty of time and opportunities to show what they could do.

Traore hasn't, has he?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2020, 02:10:31 AM
Reading some of the posts I hope we don’t give up on this Traore as we did the last one
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 08, 2020, 07:17:50 AM
All of the above-named (represses a shudder) had plenty of time and opportunities to show what they could do.

Traore hasn't, has he?
Nope.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 16, 2020, 01:52:31 PM
In the Burkina Faso starting XI today, so presumably he is back from his injury. Hurrah.
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Post by: eric woolban woolban on November 16, 2020, 03:44:11 PM
It looks like he played the full ninety too. The only Traore to do so.
There are four Traore's in the squad. Three started and one came on.
It ended nil nil.
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Post by: algy on November 16, 2020, 05:36:45 PM
It looks like he played the full ninety too. The only Traore to do so.
There are four Traore's in the squad. Three started and one came on.
It ended nil nil.
Should take a leaf out of Marv's parents' book. Rename himself "Best Traore"
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 16, 2020, 05:51:09 PM
It looks like he played the full ninety too. The only Traore to do so.
There are four Traore's in the squad. Three started and one came on.
It ended nil nil.

One of them is his brother.
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Post by: Damo70 on November 16, 2020, 06:07:48 PM
I think he is going to be a valuable signing for us.
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Post by: DrGonzo on November 17, 2020, 07:04:02 PM
I think he is going to be a valuable signing for us.

36 pages to finally recieve unequivocal support!!  However, I don't believe you can really judge him yet, he may turn out to be utter rubbish ;P
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Post by: frank black on November 17, 2020, 09:29:06 PM
I think he is going to be a valuable signing for us.

I don’t
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 17, 2020, 09:33:26 PM
I don’t know whether he will be valuable or not in the end. The only thing I do know though is that it’s way too early to judge.
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Post by: frank black on November 17, 2020, 09:46:34 PM
Reading some of the posts I hope we don’t give up on this Traore as we did the last one

On that subject, anyone else noticed how “off the boil” Adama has been this season. Been sat on the bench and really lethargic when coming off it. Doesn’t look entirely happy at Wolves right now.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 17, 2020, 10:34:05 PM
Reading some of the posts I hope we don’t give up on this Traore as we did the last one

On that subject, anyone else noticed how “off the boil” Adama has been this season. Been sat on the bench and really lethargic when coming off it. Doesn’t look entirely happy at Wolves right now.

I've wondered what it might do to my self esteem if other people decided I needed greasing up in order to be effective.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2020, 06:13:22 PM
Great set piece delivery for the goal. Other than that looked short of match fitness, perhaps unsurprisingly. Hopefully as he gets fitter he’ll be much sharper and precise.
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Post by: Risso on November 21, 2020, 06:30:22 PM
Good ball in for the goal, but other than that he was shit. Never once tried to beat a Brighton player. At least El Ghazi tries to do that, he’s just not very good at it.
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Post by: CT on November 21, 2020, 06:35:57 PM
Not convinced at all yet.

With the amount of free kicks and corners on offer, Conor was the one to bring on for me. I realise Traore assisted with that free kick, but most were very ordinary.

Hopefully he’ll get better.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 21, 2020, 08:29:41 PM
He's VERY one-footed, isn't he?
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 21, 2020, 08:57:35 PM
He's VERY one-footed, isn't he?

Yep. And, needs to look up. I think it was Keown who said that he needs to think about the team rather than his own game.
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Post by: eamonn on November 21, 2020, 08:59:48 PM
Was he leggy after travelling back from international duty? Dean said we had three players coming back from Africa, two from South America as well as the Home Nations/EIRE contingent. But he didn't want to use it as an excuse as it was the same for every club ...hmm, was it really the same for Brighton?
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Post by: frank black on November 21, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
He's VERY one-footed, isn't he?

Like a flamingo going to sleep isn’t he. His FIFA right foot rating is the lowest possible  1 star so my son informed me.
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Post by: Risso on November 21, 2020, 11:31:49 PM
Every single time he got the ball he seemed to want to lay it off to somebody behind him.  A tactic that just served to give Brighton more time to organise their defence.  We actually looked a bit more threatening when El Ghazi came on. I think a few games for the stiffs would probably do Traore some good.
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Post by: Luke8 on November 22, 2020, 08:28:49 AM
Was he leggy after travelling back from international duty? Dean said we had three players coming back from Africa, two from South America as well as the Home Nations/EIRE contingent. But he didn't want to use it as an excuse as it was the same for every club ...hmm, was it really the same for Brighton?

He has barely played any football in the last six months, maybe even longer, so perhaps under stable that he will take a bit of time to get up to speed.

I think he meant it as that is something  all good teams have to deal with. Did look noticeable in the last half hour that we had six/seven players on the pitch that had been on international duty while Brighton had none.
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Post by: Clampy on November 22, 2020, 05:16:07 PM
Other than the goal in the cup, he hasn't overly impressed me as yet but its early days. He's probably another one we need to have bit more patience with.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 22, 2020, 05:21:50 PM
agreed - his had a very stop-start beginning to his career here - with getting injured and the international breaks etc.

I think he's firmly the 12th man at the moment.
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Post by: sickbeggar on December 12, 2020, 03:00:24 PM
Bad today. Hopefully he's still finding his feet, but at the moment he looks like a very expensive reserve.
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Post by: Singapore Villa on December 12, 2020, 03:18:20 PM
Way too casual for me today.

Needs to be a lot sharper to the first ball.
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Post by: PeterWithe on December 12, 2020, 03:20:15 PM
He's obviously got talent, the way he killed that long ball in their area was sheer class, but, needs more intensity, not involved enough for me.
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Post by: Matt C on December 12, 2020, 03:29:39 PM
Agree. Doesn’t look like he’s quite adjusted to the pace of the league yet but he’s worth persevering with.
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Post by: Risso on December 12, 2020, 03:31:56 PM
I don't see what he offers at all I'm afraid.  Not to say he won't come good, but he just doesn't seem to have many of the ingredients you need to be a success playing in that position.  I'd play El Ghazi ahead of him.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 12, 2020, 03:33:48 PM
It has to have been difficult having had a very stop start reintroduction to the PL. He has looked off the pace but we all know from our experiences with many of our players last season that it takes some getting used to. He needs to be fit and fitter than he is to handle the pace and intensity. He's a good player. We just haven't seen anything close to the finished article yet.
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Post by: Risso on December 12, 2020, 03:34:50 PM
It has to have been difficult having had a very stop start reintroduction to the PL. He has looked off the pace but we all know from our experiences with many of our players last season that it takes some getting used to. He needs to be fit and fitter than he is to handle the pace and intensity. He's a good player. We just haven't seen anything close to the finished article yet.

The Lyon fans weren't very impressed by the finished article by all accounts.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 12, 2020, 03:37:44 PM
It has to have been difficult having had a very stop start reintroduction to the PL. He has looked off the pace but we all know from our experiences with many of our players last season that it takes some getting used to. He needs to be fit and fitter than he is to handle the pace and intensity. He's a good player. We just haven't seen anything close to the finished article yet.

The Lyon fans weren't very impressed by the finished article by all accounts.

We've had players who we thought weren't up to much that left and had very good careers for their new clubs. I wouldn't take the opinions of a handful of internet warriors as what forms our opinion after a few games.
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Post by: tomd2103 on December 12, 2020, 03:44:35 PM
Doesn't look ready to start on a regular basis.  If we could only bring in one player in January, I would look at bringing in a quality right sided attacker, as the options we have there at the moment just aren't up to it.
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Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2020, 03:51:53 PM
I don't think there is a bad footballer there at all but he looks more of a striker than a winger.
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Post by: OCD on December 12, 2020, 04:37:31 PM
He has a lovely delivery with his left foot on set pieces. I think he just needs time.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 12, 2020, 04:49:24 PM
He's clearly got a lot of skill but doesn't seem to get too involved in the game. I don't think he's necessarily being played in a position that suits him but he has to make the best of it. Still behind Trez in the pecking order after today I'd say.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on December 12, 2020, 04:56:27 PM
He's clearly got a lot of skill but doesn't seem to get too involved in the game. I don't think he's necessarily being played in a position that suits him but he has to make the best of it. Still behind Trez in the pecking order after today I'd say.
agree, has nice touches but lacks intensity and a bit too casual with possession some times.
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Post by: nigel on December 12, 2020, 05:02:00 PM
I think he’ll be this seasons Trez.
We’ll see him improve later into the season
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Post by: sickbeggar on December 12, 2020, 05:08:30 PM
I agree with Clampy's assessment. Looks more a striker than any sort of winger/ attacking midfielder.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 12, 2020, 05:25:57 PM
There might be something there And I really hope there is. What’s there now is stray pass after stray pass which just isn’t good enough.
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Post by: Risso on December 12, 2020, 05:56:33 PM
His first touches go further than I can kick a ball as well.
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Post by: brontebilly on December 12, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
Jota esque thus far
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Post by: TheMalandro on December 12, 2020, 09:01:05 PM
He's been shite so far.

Sure he'll get better.
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Post by: paul_e on December 13, 2020, 12:51:40 AM
The touch and skill in the box to create a half chance showed he has the ability, I think he has a similar problem to a few players we've had where his brain and his feet aren't quite in sync. What I suspect will happen next with him is we'll start to moments of ridiculous quality (like his cup goal) mixed in with bits of pub player shit, and we're just going to have to live with it for a while.


His set pieces are good enough to keep giving him time to adjust, just maybe not as a regular starter yet.
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Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2020, 01:10:21 AM
I think he has a similar problem to a few players we've had where his brain and his feet aren't quite in sync.

Beats "Prepared" as our club motto!
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Post by: robbo1874 on December 13, 2020, 01:35:13 AM
Think it’s way too early to write him off, but I’ve not been impressed overly with what he’s shown so far. He looks a bit off the pace and little end product. I think El Ghazi should get the nod whilst Trez is out. I do hope he comes good though. We had a lesson with the other Traore, casting him out too soon.
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Post by: Des Little on December 13, 2020, 07:45:53 AM
I know for a fact that I am fitter than he was when he turned up, so it’s going to take time for him to get fully up to speed. I’m sure the ideal would be for him to play his way in, but it’s not always that easy in this day and age. A few impact appearances off the bench, and of course a goal or two will work wonders for him.
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 13, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
He’s a weak link in terms of the press. Oli, Jack, Jacob and SJM all pressed to an extent. But there was always a get out for Wolves as Bert just didn’t press. Not sure if he’d been told not to, didn’t listen or isn’t fit enough to play the role. But it makes the whole system ineffective.
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Post by: OzVilla on December 13, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
He just needs time to adjust, as did AEG and Trez before him. That touch in the first half to take it past random Doghead defender was sublime. All round fitness, and game awareness will improve I’m sure as the season progresses.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on December 13, 2020, 10:45:41 AM
Certainly a mixture Vs Wolves as he build up fitness and getting use to physicality because he sometime was out fought and I not sure if we'll ever see him win any tackle

Totally agree he's still settling in!

His in swinging  free kicks are another level , on the money and so dangerous. Think he has a sweet left foot.
He's not as accomplished as Mahrez or Ziyech but that's the sort of contribution he can be with his left foot.
Providing goals and assists.
Bertie too did the most outrageous piece of skill of the match.
A little piece of genius with instant control and flick in the box and drove with it. He carried the ball but let down by final pass and think blocked for corner . Ollie Watkins was telling him to look up , think and play it low across goal to him

I think there is so much there and he does well as he can move the ball quickly in passing moves which sets a good tempo quickly.

I see a decent attacking option who can hopefully get better each match he plays and builds his consistency.


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Post by: exigo on December 13, 2020, 10:59:49 AM
Spent most of the game failing to trap pretty simple passes straight to him.
He can swing in the odd free kick all he likes, but if he's going to give the ball away so often and let the opposition counter, then he's still a liability.
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Post by: Risso on December 13, 2020, 11:59:21 AM
Cause carnage?  Good grief, I feel you're going to be disappointed Footy.
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Post by: brontebilly on December 13, 2020, 12:27:58 PM
I know for a fact that I am fitter than he was when he turned up, so it’s going to take time for him to get fully up to speed. I’m sure the ideal would be for him to play his way in, but it’s not always that easy in this day and age. A few impact appearances off the bench, and of course a goal or two will work wonders for him.

It's the middle of December and the fact we are still talking about how far off the pace he is, is damning really for a 20m signing. It's not just sharpness he is lacking, he just doesn't seem an athlete at all.

I said it a number of weeks ago but I don't seem him fitting at all with the role he was bought for, inside right of a three. We need an upgrade on Trez there but that player has to be quick, fit and hard-working to cover Cash and also to add balance to a line that has Barkley usually. Traore so far is a complete passenger without the ball and slows down the play horribly when he does get it. Abysmal yesterday when given a chance to impress.
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Post by: Proposition Joe on December 13, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
It has to have been difficult having had a very stop start reintroduction to the PL. He has looked off the pace but we all know from our experiences with many of our players last season that it takes some getting used to. He needs to be fit and fitter than he is to handle the pace and intensity. He's a good player. We just haven't seen anything close to the finished article yet.

The Lyon fans weren't very impressed by the finished article by all accounts.

We've had players who we thought weren't up to much that left and had very good careers for their new clubs. I wouldn't take the opinions of a handful of internet warriors as what forms our opinion after a few games.

Imagine if fans of other clubs read our match threads. They'd think we fans have a low opinion of every one of our squad ;-)

Traore needs to work a bit more on his control in tight spots and on the linkup with other players, especially Jack. I think he'll be fine in the long run.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2020, 09:12:43 PM
By far his best performance and as sexy a goal as you will ever see. He doesn’t do normal goals
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Post by: frank black on December 20, 2020, 09:15:30 PM
Well that was a pleasant surprise.
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Post by: LukeJames on December 20, 2020, 09:16:19 PM
He was superb, his technique is laid back and nonchalant.

Superb understanding with Cash.
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Post by: colin69 on December 20, 2020, 09:19:48 PM
That performance completely changed my opinion of him. Long may it continue. Great goal.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 20, 2020, 09:22:52 PM
Well done Bertrand - top effort.
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Post by: Steve67 on December 20, 2020, 09:27:50 PM
He's gonna be a frustrating character but when he's on it, he's a cracking player.  No idea what he is going to do with the ball. Lovely finish.
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Post by: pelty on December 20, 2020, 09:30:28 PM
Not convinced by him, but nice finish today.
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Post by: Ads on December 20, 2020, 09:32:19 PM
That performance was highly convincing. Admittedly against a pub team, but the cross, finish and link up play with Cash was fantastic.
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Post by: Rudy65 on December 20, 2020, 09:33:26 PM
Not convinced by him, but nice finish today.

I know one swallow doesn’t make a summer, but an assist and A great finish says he has got some real qualities. Just needs to add the consistency
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Post by: Matt C on December 20, 2020, 09:41:41 PM
No complaints on his contribution today, will do wonders for his confidence.
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Post by: Small Rodent on December 20, 2020, 09:44:06 PM
He doesn’t shirk his defensive responsibilities at all. I like that.
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Post by: jcsutv on December 20, 2020, 09:47:41 PM
Best game yet. Well done Traore
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Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2020, 09:49:12 PM
Was cursing his lack of a right foot and talent in making the wrong decisions, but there is no doubt he has a touch of class. He'll tear us hair out but he'll also do sexy things so...whatcha gonna do ?
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 20, 2020, 09:49:20 PM
That’s why we paid £17 million. My MOTM. 
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
Truthfully speaking in 2020, £17m isn’t really a lot at all at PL level.
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Post by: Ian. on December 20, 2020, 09:51:16 PM
He doesn’t shirk his defensive responsibilities at all. I like that.
I only saw bits and bobs in between His Dark Materials, but that’s what impressed me against Burnley, he worked back well and generally did ok. His decision making let him down, very much like AEG. It sounds like today both have vastly improved that side of things.
Bloody lovely goal.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on December 20, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
An absolute piss take of a finish. Superb.
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Post by: jcsutv on December 20, 2020, 09:56:36 PM
Apparently he has a 1 star weak foot on FIFA. It will still be 1 star tomorrow. My lad loves his FIFA stats. On the plus side I had forgotten Douglas is only 23.
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Post by: paul_e on December 20, 2020, 10:00:29 PM
As I said a few days back for now I'm going to judge him on moments of brilliance this year and tonight there were 2 that led to goals, can't ask for more than that.

However I thought he worked really hard as well and is showing signs of linking up well with Cash.
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Post by: LukeJames on December 20, 2020, 10:05:58 PM
An absolute piss take of a finish. Superb.

Pretty much this. Its like he was putting his new born baby into bed.
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Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2020, 10:22:30 PM
An absolute piss take of a finish. Superb.

Pretty much this. Its like he was putting his new born baby into bed.

Excellent description! Partridge would be proud.
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Post by: olaftab on December 20, 2020, 10:30:30 PM
OMG how sexy was that goal! Well done Bertie and MotM today without doubt.
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Post by: Astnor on December 20, 2020, 10:35:32 PM
Silly one-footed. But what a foot for the goal and assist fx.
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Post by: Monty on December 20, 2020, 11:43:04 PM
Honestly that finish was fucking gorgeous. I could watch it a thousand times.
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Post by: rooboy316 on December 21, 2020, 09:37:33 AM
Great to see what he’s capable of... hopefully that’s the kickstart he needed. My one gripe though is that he sometimes slows the play down too much. Gets the ball and saunters looking for an option, and the opposition then catch up and regroup.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on December 21, 2020, 09:42:32 AM
I was really disappointed with him against Burnley but I think we saw what we paid for yesterday. The future is looking bright.
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Post by: not3bad on December 21, 2020, 10:08:54 AM
 'Saturday night and I like the way you move... Bertrand Traore'.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-jack-grealish-traore-19495590
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Post by: Clampy on December 21, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
You can tell a player will eventually come good when Risso says how terrible he is. 😀 (A  joke observation by the way) .

He was excellent last night. Made the wrong decision now  and again and he will have a few duff games as well but let's hope he keeps that sort of form up.
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Post by: Monty on December 21, 2020, 11:22:11 AM
We're going to have to call him Dirty Bertie with a few more goals like that.
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Post by: Richard E on December 21, 2020, 11:23:19 AM
I know I am in the minority on this but I actually didn’t think he was bad against Burnley either.
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Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 11:49:30 AM
I know I am in the minority on this but I actually didn’t think he was bad against Burnley either.

I agree, I thought our front 4 were all decent against them (creating 27 shots in a match backs that up) but we just couldn't find a finish.
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Post by: OCD on December 21, 2020, 11:56:33 AM
Signs that he's settling in now. There's some real quality in that left foot of his.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on December 21, 2020, 01:27:36 PM
There are times in games when passes go astray, players make poor decisions etc (Jack made a few against the rags last night) it is more about not sulking or throwing tantrums  but getting back into the game and doing better next time you have the ball. This is especially true of the flair players so we will have to accept the Bert is going to get caught every now and then, get tackled etc and sometimes be a little frustrating.

Some of that frustration will be tolerated if he scores filthy goals like that one last night.

It is also crystal clear that he has fitted right in with the team and their ethics - long may it continue
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Post by: Clampy on December 21, 2020, 01:42:01 PM
Another thing I liked about that goal last night was Sam Johnstone watching it roll past him.
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Post by: itbrvilla on December 21, 2020, 01:45:08 PM
I know I am in the minority on this but I actually didn’t think he was bad against Burnley either.
I tend to agree.  He was sloppy at times but his work rate was there. Great turnaround from AEG and Bertie. Long may it continue.
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Post by: Drummond on December 21, 2020, 01:57:28 PM
Honestly that finish was fucking gorgeous. I could watch it a thousand times.

Definitely this. Sublime and made it look so very simple. Watched the highlights again earlier and had to tell my son that's why we practice side-footing the ball. Passing it into the net from 20 yards is silly against a keeper as good as Johnstone.

His cross for the first looked effortless too.

It took him a few games but now he's starting, it's going to be tough dropping him. His work-rate and tracking back has been great too, which makes him a starter ahead of Trez for me.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 21, 2020, 01:58:07 PM
That finish was reminiscent of Henry. Placed into the net.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on December 21, 2020, 01:58:48 PM
Another thing I liked about that goal last night was Sam Johnstone watching it roll past him.

Apparently he was “taking the knee”
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Post by: Chris Smith on December 21, 2020, 02:15:30 PM
That finish was reminiscent of Henry. Placed into the net.

Yes, thanks I’ve been trying to think of a good comparison.
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Post by: darren woolley on December 21, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
He played well last night what a goal he will only get better.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on December 21, 2020, 04:33:17 PM
He’s improvement is coinciding with game time, as we all said, exciting time
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Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 05:14:36 PM
what made the goal so good was that there was no motion as if he was going to shoot, that's what wrong footed Johnstone, he was expecting at least another touch and got caught totally off guard by how early bertie took it. There's a skill to being able to disguise a shot that well.
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Post by: Somniloquism on December 21, 2020, 05:18:34 PM
what made the goal so good was that there was no motion as if he was going to shoot, that's what wrong footed Johnstone, he was expecting at least another touch and got caught totally off guard by how early bertie took it. There's a skill to being able to disguise a shot that well.

The early take but I also think Bertie realised that Ollie's run at wrong footed the defender and taken him across the viewpoint of the keeper so he had the chance to place rather then power it as the keeper was unsighted for the crucial shot. A second later and he would have seen it and probably been able to finger tip it away.
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Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 05:27:13 PM
what made the goal so good was that there was no motion as if he was going to shoot, that's what wrong footed Johnstone, he was expecting at least another touch and got caught totally off guard by how early bertie took it. There's a skill to being able to disguise a shot that well.

The early take but I also think Bertie realised that Ollie's run at wrong footed the defender and taken him across the viewpoint of the keeper so he had the chance to place rather then power it as the keeper was unsighted for the crucial shot. A second later and he would have seen it and probably been able to finger tip it away.

Dunno, I don't think the defender is in his eyeline but maybe that played a part.
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Post by: eamonn on December 21, 2020, 06:15:51 PM
How can his right foot be so bad, though? Or maybe it isn't but he just doesn't trust it. That seriously needs coaching, either psychologically or in improving it on the training ground.
The casual under-hit passes can surely be improved too.

He's got a swagger and technical skills, good close control and an impudence in his shooting which we've now seen in two beautiful goals he's scored for us. I don't think you can coach any of these assets, but the aforementioned weaknesses can surely be improved. We might then have a hell of a player.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 21, 2020, 06:29:49 PM
I think his right foot really is that bad. I reckon he engineered that airshot last night just to shut up the people questioning why he didn't take that one on with his right against Burnley.
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Post by: ktvillan on December 21, 2020, 07:10:01 PM
That finish was reminiscent of Henry. Placed into the net.

Yes, thanks I’ve been trying to think of a good comparison.

Great comparison - it was a vey "Henry" goal.  I didn't think the cross for El Ghazi's goal was actually that good.  It was overhit but AEG made it good by his run and finish.  But I'm another who thought he did fine against Burnley and was even better against Albion.
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Post by: dave shelley on December 21, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
That goal looks even better when viewed from behind.  Really well taken and with no power or speed, superb.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 21, 2020, 08:13:29 PM
Well that was a pleasant surprise.

For who? Thought his shortcomings were pretty obviously those of a newcomer to the league getting acclimatised. You’d think Villa fans especially would be able to spot them after Luiz, Trezeguet etc.
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Post by: Villafirst on December 22, 2020, 07:48:12 AM
Yes, new signings are written off too quickly by some. Players often have to acclimatise especially from abroad. Give them a chance!!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
Superb.
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Post by: darren woolley on December 26, 2020, 05:16:00 PM
He was brilliant good finish for his goal.
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Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2020, 05:17:06 PM
Was playing well before he got dragged off.  I like the guy.  Getting better and better.
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Post by: OCD on December 26, 2020, 05:43:50 PM
Fantastic left foot but terrible on his right.
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Post by: Uknowthescore on December 26, 2020, 05:47:11 PM
Fantastic left foot but terrible on his right.

I’m sure he scored with his right
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Post by: Ian. on December 26, 2020, 05:49:01 PM
I like him, he works hard and makes things happen and gives us another edge we didn’t have before. I was gutted when he went off but in the end it was a fantastic tactical change.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2020, 06:10:39 PM
Fantastic left foot but terrible on his right.

Except the goal he scored of course
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2020, 06:15:48 PM
Another example that it can take a bit of time to get up to speed, and learn to work with the team. He’s got some real class about him.
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Post by: OCD on December 26, 2020, 06:27:04 PM
Fantastic left foot but terrible on his right.

Except the goal he scored of course

I was thinking more of a cross he tried and what I've seen him do with his right foot in other games. That's not to take away from him though, his left foot is fantastic.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on December 26, 2020, 07:34:57 PM
Really settling into his role now, superb performance. He was unlucky to get taken off, but it was the correct substitution
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Post by: Villa Lew on December 26, 2020, 08:14:45 PM
Class today could turn out to be the signing of the season
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Post by: Dave on December 26, 2020, 08:16:06 PM
Class today could turn out to be the signing of the season

I thought Martinez already had that sewn up?
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Post by: Monty on December 26, 2020, 08:18:53 PM
Class today could turn out to be the signing of the season

I thought Martinez already had that sewn up?

Yeah I agree with that. Even Ollie isn't as good as Martinez as a signing. Still, Bert really looks like something now.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2020, 08:20:32 PM
As mesmerized as we will be with his talent there will be lots of times Bert will be frustrating. There won't be many if any that Martinez will be.
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Post by: paul_e on December 27, 2020, 01:07:17 AM
Class today could turn out to be the signing of the season

I thought Martinez already had that sewn up?

Yeah I agree with that. Even Ollie isn't as good as Martinez as a signing. Still, Bert really looks like something now.

I don't see much point trying to put them in order, the 4 permanent signings all look fantastic and Barkley is as good a loan as we could've hoped (but won't get back in the team right now).
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 27, 2020, 01:46:08 AM
Another one that now realises you also need to put a shift in. Twice the player we signed.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2020, 02:00:42 AM
Part of it has to be fitness and part of it is simply buying into the culture of the club and wanting to be a part of things. You can now see he’s starting to realize not just what it takes to be in the side but what it takes to keep his place. Both him and AEG have made the losses of Trez and Barkley easy to manage through. There has barely been a drop off at all in quality or energy.
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Post by: Risso on January 22, 2021, 12:45:47 PM
Another one that now realises you also need to put a shift in. Twice the player we signed.

He's an absolute liability in defensive terms. Cash has been getting torn to shreds when Traore is in front of him.  He's not lazy or anything, I just don't think it's part of his game.
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Post by: Ads on January 22, 2021, 12:47:28 PM
Its surely teachable though. The way he took that ball down and made a total arse out the best player in the world isn't.

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Post by: OCD on January 23, 2021, 11:23:36 AM
What I don't understand is that he spent a big chunk of his time at Lyon as a wingback so he would have had to be constantly going forward and back. So why can't he do both now?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on January 23, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
Traore always seems to defend better in the second half - it's like he needs his half-time bollocking
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Post by: LukeJames on January 23, 2021, 10:18:07 PM
Best game for us. He's ideal for these shithouse teams that sit on their 18 yard box.
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Post by: robleflaneur on January 23, 2021, 10:28:49 PM
He was superb.Relaxed and composed finish for the goal.Worked hard ,passed the ball well and looked a threat throughout.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 23, 2021, 11:43:39 PM
Ran them ragged. Outshone even Grealish as an attacking menace.
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Post by: Ads on January 23, 2021, 11:45:29 PM
Think he leaves us open a bit when we're not dominating the ball, but he's a joy to watch. Fantastic goal.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2021, 11:59:05 PM
That goal vs Bristol City was just a foreshadowing of the kinds of goals he would be capable of scoring. His technique is simply magnificent at times.
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Post by: Mellin on January 24, 2021, 12:00:09 AM
Could tell from his and everyone else's reaction to the goal how he's becoming more settled. Has some serious quality does Bert. Could really push on.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 24, 2021, 12:09:32 AM
He shares that rare ability enjoyed by Grealish and Barkley of being able to make a pass look underhit when it is actually perfectly weighted, perfectly typified by their impeccable interplay for the goal. The defenders might just as well have not been there. I'm a big fan already.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 24, 2021, 12:10:28 AM
Yep. He’s really looking the part now as he is getting used to the pace of the league.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2021, 12:12:12 AM
A lot of talent and worked hard today. He has the eye for a goal and that is a vital attribute.
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Post by: Dave on January 24, 2021, 12:12:18 AM
It's starting to feel a lot like £18m here rather than  £25m for Behrahma or Rashica wasn't such a silly decision.
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Post by: Risso on January 24, 2021, 12:12:25 AM
He was very good today, but playing a woeful team like Newcastle was the perfect game for him to show his skills. What we'll also need going forward is the support for Cash in harder games.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2021, 12:13:37 AM
Yeah but I saw signs of that today - he was trying to get more physically involved.
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Post by: Mellin on January 24, 2021, 12:23:21 AM
He was very good today, but playing a woeful team like Newcastle was the perfect game for him to show his skills. What we'll also need going forward is the support for Cash in harder games.

Agreed. Or do you just play Trez in those like Ferguson used to play Park.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 24, 2021, 12:28:29 AM
Lol, like Cash needs any support.
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Post by: Ian. on January 24, 2021, 09:43:36 AM
It's starting to feel a lot like £18m here rather than  £25m for Behrahma or Rashica wasn't such a silly decision.
I was thinking the same the other week when I watched West Ham play. I think we certainly picked the right winger.
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Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2021, 09:52:48 AM
Lol, like Cash needs any support.
Yes it's the other way round. Everybody needs Cash.
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Post by: john e on January 24, 2021, 02:20:11 PM
I know I might open myself up for some pelters here
But he reminds me of Tino Asprilla that used to be at Newcastle

total Maverick player
He didn’t know what he was going to do himself so the opposition had no chance of knowing
can be frustrating at times and not always a team player but then he’ll do something absolutely ridiculous that will have you out of your seat And win you games out of nothing

I love players like that
I’m willing to forgive some of the bad decision making if they can make up for it with game changing skills
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 24, 2021, 02:22:11 PM
Hopefully not as nuts as asprillia 🤔😀
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Post by: OCD on January 24, 2021, 02:23:42 PM
He's got to do more work defensively but he's looking like he's got a touch of class about him.
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Post by: aj2k77 on January 24, 2021, 02:25:00 PM
There's quality in this boys left boot. Some of his deliveries are wicked. I like him, he can only improve and therefore so will our threat.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 24, 2021, 04:16:21 PM
I know I might open myself up for some pelters here
But he reminds me of Tino Asprilla that used to be at Newcastle

total Maverick player
He didn’t know what he was going to do himself so the opposition had no chance of knowing
can be frustrating at times and not always a team player but then he’ll do something absolutely ridiculous that will have you out of your seat And win you games out of nothing

I love players like that
I’m willing to forgive some of the bad decision making if they can make up for it with game changing skills

With you on this. Players like him are exciting. He's class.
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Post by: Risso on January 24, 2021, 05:39:02 PM
I know I might open myself up for some pelters here
But he reminds me of Tino Asprilla that used to be at Newcastle

total Maverick player
He didn’t know what he was going to do himself so the opposition had no chance of knowing
can be frustrating at times and not always a team player but then he’ll do something absolutely ridiculous that will have you out of your seat And win you games out of nothing

I love players like that
I’m willing to forgive some of the bad decision making if they can make up for it with game changing skills

You're not a million miles off there John, he's got that sort of slightly gangly, loping gait like Asprilla, which somehow really look like it should work in the Premier League but somehow it does.
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Post by: Astnor on January 24, 2021, 05:54:04 PM
The super goal yesterday was with his weak or dead ish right foot ...
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Post by: Tallyski on January 24, 2021, 06:06:30 PM
He has slowly developed into a strong attacking option for us. Once his fitness gets to a higher level he will be more effective in defensive areas. Cash is often left vulnerable when he is playing.
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Post by: OCD on January 24, 2021, 07:01:17 PM
I was at the 2-3 defeat to Sheffield Wednesday where Regi Blinker made his debut. That's who Traore reminds me of. I don't think Blinker did much afterwards but his debut was stunning.
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Post by: john2710 on January 24, 2021, 07:15:33 PM
Starting to get up to speed. Looks brilliant & a liability at times. Needs to build some strength to go with his obvious ability. A promising start.
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Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2021, 07:15:57 PM
I was at the 2-3 defeat to Sheffield Wednesday where Regi Blinker made his debut. That's who Traore reminds me of. I don't think Blinker did much afterwards but his debut was stunning.

If you are talking about the home game against Sheff Weds, we won 3-2. Townsend got the winner I think.
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Post by: frank black on January 24, 2021, 08:52:38 PM
He plays some “brave” crossfield passes, that give me the jitters.

Overall though excellent signing which surprised me.
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Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2021, 09:19:22 PM
Nothing beats a goal crashed in off the underside of the bar. Must be our first of the type since McGinn's worldy against Wednesday.

What made it even better was that the shot was with his right foot which most of us had thought was only for standing on. He'll be a head-scratching hero, this fella.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on January 24, 2021, 09:23:42 PM
As with others in the squad he gets better by the match, considering he’s new he’s settled in very quickly
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 24, 2021, 09:38:45 PM
I know I might open myself up for some pelters here
But he reminds me of Tino Asprilla that used to be at Newcastle

total Maverick player
He didn’t know what he was going to do himself so the opposition had no chance of knowing
can be frustrating at times and not always a team player but then he’ll do something absolutely ridiculous that will have you out of your seat And win you games out of nothing

I love players like that
I’m willing to forgive some of the bad decision making if they can make up for it with game changing skills

You're not a million miles off there John, he's got that sort of slightly gangly, loping gait like Asprilla, which somehow really look like it should work in the Premier League but somehow it does.

He reminds me of Kanu, the Arsenal maverick.   At times unplayable but doesn’t look like grafting is part of his natural game.  If that aspect develops too then he will be some player.
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Post by: Drummond on January 25, 2021, 12:43:17 AM
Nothing beats a goal crashed in off the underside of the bar. Must be our first of the type since McGinn's worldy against Wednesday.

What made it even better was that the shot was with his right foot which most of us had thought was only for standing on. He'll be a head-scratching hero, this fella.

Said the same to the Mrs at the time. Love a goal off the crossbar.
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Post by: tomd2103 on January 25, 2021, 12:59:32 AM
Starting to get up to speed. Looks brilliant & a liability at times. Needs to build some strength to go with his obvious ability. A promising start.

Definitely nod does a lot more good things in games than bad.  Had some moments of real quality the other night and is scoring on a pretty regular basis now. Still has the odd 'wtf' moment and seems to lash at the ball wildly at least once a game.  The one the other night ended up back with Martinez somehow. 
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Post by: in exile on January 25, 2021, 03:36:10 PM
It must annoy him being subbed all the while.
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Post by: Risso on January 25, 2021, 03:39:48 PM
It must annoy him being subbed all the while.

I bet he can see the natural progression, ie

Wasn't getting a game
Came on as a sub
Started a game due unavilability of others
First choice, but first to be subbed.

Now he needs to prove he can help out against the more attack-minded teams and put a shift in for 90 minutes, and he won't be getting subbed as much.

I wasn't a fan when he first arrived but hard to argue that Dean isn't handling him perfectly.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 25, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
It must annoy him being subbed all the while.

I bet he can see the natural progression, ie

Wasn't getting a game
Came on as a sub
Started a game due unavilability of others
First choice, but first to be subbed.

Now he needs to prove he can help out against the more attack-minded teams and put a shift in for 90 minutes, and he won't be getting subbed as much.

And that's it. His ability and performances lately are why he's picked. Energy levels need to be there from the first to the last minute. Once he can achieve that he will stay on.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 25, 2021, 04:02:06 PM
Certainly has more than a hint of the old je ne sais quoi. He’s as exciting attacking wise as he is unreliable defending wise at times. All part of his make up I guess and I for one have certainly taken to him.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 25, 2021, 04:10:08 PM
He worked his balls off against Newcastle. He tracked back way more than he had done in past games. So it showed his fitness was better and that he was also buying into the required work ethic for this team. But it's also important that it doesn't blunt any of his attacking ability. That he conserves and manages his energy to be a threat going forward. We are starting to see what we hoped we bought, but we still get games where he doesn't get going. And he knows he has stiff competition in AEG and Trez if he slips. But I like what I see and especially in that he can do things other players can't. Some of his goals have been lovely.
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Post by: not3bad on January 25, 2021, 04:49:48 PM
Reckon he'll be just the player to unlock Burnley on Wednesday.
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Post by: LukeJames on January 28, 2021, 06:54:54 PM
I've just had a thought, I like what he does going forward and his link up play with Cash, Jack, Barkley, Luiz etc is getting better by the game. We all pretty much unanimously agree that his tracking back is costing us too often.

In some games that call for it maybe use him as the 10 and play Trez on the right to support him and Cash?
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Post by: Big Ming on January 29, 2021, 12:21:44 PM
Nice looking footballer but until he learns to consistently track back and help Cash, he is a luxury.

Every Burnley goal from that flank when they got an overload, with Traore trotting into view too late.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 29, 2021, 05:37:10 PM
In addition to the difficulty he seems to have in tracking back and helping out Cash, Traore can be incredibly wasteful when in good positions.  He also should not be allowed anywhere near free kicks where a shot on goal is called for.  I think El Ghazi can consider himself really unlucky to have lost out to Traore on a starting place and now deserves to start instead of Traore against Saints.  That said, Traore can be a joy to watch and I hope he goes from strength to strength in a Villa shirt.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on February 01, 2021, 12:17:07 PM
Felt he needed to come off after 70mins Vs Southampton
Tickles me after , panics me during, how BT likes to slice a clearance once a match. Always close to edge or in area a wild lash out of clearance never travelling further up the pitch but across, by the very slice, made by him!
Cut it out !
Great fun to watch going forward though we're all questions his defending side.
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Post by: Risso on February 01, 2021, 12:21:36 PM
Felt he needed to come off after 70mins Vs Southampton
Tickles me after , panics me during, how BT likes to slice a clearance once a match. Always close to edge or in area a wild lash out of clearance never travelling further up the pitch but across, by the very slice, made by him!
Cut it out !
Great fun to watch going forward though we're all questions his defending side.


Totall agree. It'd be less dangerous if he just left the ball alone for the defenders to deal with, as his sliced clearances always tend to end up in a dangerous position on the edge of our area.
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Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2021, 12:58:06 PM
Felt he needed to come off after 70mins Vs Southampton
Tickles me after , panics me during, how BT likes to slice a clearance once a match. Always close to edge or in area a wild lash out of clearance never travelling further up the pitch but across, by the very slice, made by him!
Cut it out !
Great fun to watch going forward though we're all questions his defending side.


Totall agree. It'd be less dangerous if he just left the ball alone for the defenders to deal with, as his sliced clearances always tend to end up in a dangerous position on the edge of our area.

I did laugh to myself on Saturday when he shanked one after what you'd posted previously.
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Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2021, 01:18:57 PM
Felt he needed to come off after 70mins Vs Southampton
Tickles me after , panics me during, how BT likes to slice a clearance once a match. Always close to edge or in area a wild lash out of clearance never travelling further up the pitch but across, by the very slice, made by him!
Cut it out !
Great fun to watch going forward though we're all questions his defending side.


Totall agree. It'd be less dangerous if he just left the ball alone for the defenders to deal with, as his sliced clearances always tend to end up in a dangerous position on the edge of our area.

I did laugh to myself on Saturday when he shanked one after what you'd posted previously.
It is one a game now. I wonder if he’s saying “ave it” when he does it!
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Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2021, 03:41:44 PM
His shanked slices are quite cute as long as they don't lead to goals.
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Post by: Risso on February 01, 2021, 03:54:02 PM
I did laugh to myself on Saturday when he shanked one after what you'd posted previously.

It's odd, how can a player who has caressed the ball in for his goals so deliciously, then NOT just put some fucking snow on it when defending in his own half?!
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Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2021, 04:28:25 PM
I did laugh to myself on Saturday when he shanked one after what you'd posted previously.

It's odd, how can a player who has caressed the ball in for his goals so deliciously, then NOT just put some fucking snow on it when defending in his own half?!

There's snow on them, because they seem to go directly up rather than out. The one on Saturday was funnier as it was off the back of that mad scramble when they had three shots, just like the worst time to pull it out!
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Post by: Footy-Vill on February 06, 2021, 09:59:32 PM
One can contrast Bertie substitution to Barkley.
Both weren't pleased however BT came to senses after his look of disappointment  trudled off and acknowledged Trez and even had a  civil chat with Smith all good spirits.
Obviously Ross Barkley prefers to play the whole game but different characters in way they both wanted to carry on playing yet were subbed and how they expressed themselves
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Post by: dcdavecollett on February 06, 2021, 10:05:15 PM
Good point.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2021, 10:49:08 PM
Excellent work for the goal today - some deceptive pace. His defensive work is improving to.
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Post by: danno on February 06, 2021, 11:06:01 PM
Maybe its been mentioned, but he has a very good first touch.
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Post by: algy on February 06, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
I love Bertie, I think he's a great player. Still a bit of a work on progress, much like the squad as a whole, but I can see him becoming a key first team player for several years.
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Post by: olaftab on February 06, 2021, 11:48:50 PM
This man is an artisan, a superbly skilled footballer. I know we like Mahmoud and Anwar's work rate but they are mere hod carriers to this mason.
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Post by: eamonn on February 06, 2021, 11:50:58 PM
Love the way he moves using both his physicality and technique. Those languid lay-offs and the quality in his left foot.

Fantastic work for the goal and that little dinked shot deserved to come off after the movement to make the chance for himself.

He can be erratic but he has a type of quality that no one else in the squad possesses. I love him.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 07, 2021, 12:35:10 AM
His leap is a thing of beauty too.
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Post by: Villan82 on February 07, 2021, 12:51:06 AM
Love this guy, very good signing. Chipping in with goals and assists.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 07, 2021, 07:12:30 AM
Love the way he moves using both his physicality and technique. Those languid lay-offs and the quality in his left foot.

Fantastic work for the goal and that little dinked shot deserved to come off after the movement to make the chance for himself.

He can be erratic but he has a type of quality that no one else in the squad possesses. I love him.

Agree with this. He seems to ooze quality and puts in a shift. Unlucky to be subbed 1st yesterday, though if tiring I can understand Trez coming on to support Cash.
Reminded me of Adebayor of old the way he almost dislocated his ankle to fool the defenders around him to create that opportunity for himself.
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Post by: PeterWithe on February 07, 2021, 09:10:30 AM
Forgot about his first half chance, summed up his time here really, first touch was a thing of magnificence, took the ball, turned and beat two players with a single touch. Then an attempted finish that was over elaborate. I really like watching him, just a wonderful talent. Also loved the bit in the second half where he smashed the ball on the volley 60 yards to the left back from a throw in.
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Post by: algy on February 07, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
This man is an artisan, a superbly skilled footballer. I know we like Mahmoud and Anwar's work rate but they are mere hod carriers to this mason.
Yeah, I know some on here question his defensive attributes ... but I bloody love Bertie. He's the football equivalent of free jazz. Said to my dad after the game yesterday, I think next season he'll have had a full pre-season and he'll be more settled. I think him & Jack on either wing will be unstoppable. We'll be ripping other teams to shreds.
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Post by: Smithy on February 07, 2021, 09:20:56 AM
He must be a nightmare to defend against, as you've no idea what he's going to do.  Not in the way Jack does, where you know he's going to attack you but not sure how, but with Bert he could do literally anything (including a 60-yard volley from a throw-in or trying to lob the keeper from 10 yards out).

He's going to provide some incredibly frustrating moments in a Villa shirt, but he's also going to supply some incredible ones.  As a fan, he's just lovely to watch. I imagine in a side that's struggling he'd be difficult to watch, but right now, he's great.
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Post by: Ads on February 07, 2021, 09:23:26 AM
I wonder what he would be like as a second striker or maybe at the tip of the diamond.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on February 08, 2021, 02:41:23 AM
I thought he worked back really well on Saturday, too.
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Post by: London Villan on February 08, 2021, 06:34:04 AM
Tracking back is something you can coach, the other side of his game is pure natural talent.
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Post by: frank black on February 08, 2021, 08:08:28 AM
He could trap a fly with chopsticks, his first touch is amazing.
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Post by: The Edge on February 08, 2021, 08:42:32 AM
He reminds me a lot of Chris Waddle. His first touch, his wand of a left foot and eye for goal. Even his running style with or without the ball.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on February 08, 2021, 10:47:48 AM
He must be a nightmare to defend against, as you've no idea what he's going to do.  Not in the way Jack does, where you know he's going to attack you but not sure how, but with Bert he could do literally anything (including a 60-yard volley from a throw-in or trying to lob the keeper from 10 yards out).

He's going to provide some incredibly frustrating moments in a Villa shirt, but he's also going to supply some incredible ones.  As a fan, he's just lovely to watch. I imagine in a side that's struggling he'd be difficult to watch, but right now, he's great.
Bertie was a full international at age of 15 and playing champions league football at 20.
Pure pedigree.
Carries on like this he'll be as important as Mahrez to Leicester  and Salah to Liverpool in getting us top honours!

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Post by: Risso on February 08, 2021, 11:36:20 AM
He reminds me a lot of Chris Waddle. His first touch, his wand of a left foot and eye for goal. Even his running style with or without the ball.
There are shades of the abilities in skill of Salah,Giggs, Robben. Minus the full pace. Not quite them but a real classy and skilled player. Currently hes one of the most skillfull left footed ball playing wide forwards in the Premier league. Far more effective than say Pepe at far less a price. Villas Mahrez.
Have to include Foden too with his left foot!



I don't think he's anything like those wingers/wide players in terms of style. You'll rarely see Traore take a defender on directly and beat him with a combination of pace and trickery. What he does do is cut inside onto his magical left foot, to either set others up with a pass or cross, or have a shot himself.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on February 08, 2021, 11:46:49 AM
He reminds me a lot of Chris Waddle. His first touch, his wand of a left foot and eye for goal. Even his running style with or without the ball.
There are shades of the abilities in skill of Salah,Giggs, Robben. Minus the full pace. Not quite them but a real classy and skilled player. Currently hes one of the most skillfull left footed ball playing wide forwards in the Premier league. Far more effective than say Pepe at far less a price. Villas Mahrez.
Have to include Foden too with his left foot!



I don't think he's anything like those wingers/wide players in terms of style. You'll rarely see Traore take a defender on directly and beat him with a combination of pace and trickery. What he does do is cut inside onto his magical left foot, to either set others up with a pass or cross, or have a shot himself.
agree about the comparison, he does have that drop of the shoulder to ghost past the first player.
He has amazing balance and tremendous leap.
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Post by: Ads on February 08, 2021, 12:14:56 PM
He seems to be perfectly balanced and has that speed of movement and turn that is very impressive.
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Post by: Dave on February 08, 2021, 12:20:19 PM
He reminds me a lot of Chris Waddle. His first touch, his wand of a left foot and eye for goal. Even his running style with or without the ball.
There are shades of the abilities in skill of Salah,Giggs, Robben. Minus the full pace. Not quite them but a real classy and skilled player. Currently hes one of the most skillfull left footed ball playing wide forwards in the Premier league. Far more effective than say Pepe at far less a price. Villas Mahrez.
Have to include Foden too with his left foot!



I don't think he's anything like those wingers/wide players in terms of style. You'll rarely see Traore take a defender on directly and beat him with a combination of pace and trickery. What he does do is cut inside onto his magical left foot, to either set others up with a pass or cross, or have a shot himself.

To be fair, that precise move is what Robben made an entire career of.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 08, 2021, 12:31:53 PM
He's certainly got plenty of tricks, very exciting to watch. There's an Australian Rules football touch to his shanked clearances..how high will it go, where will it land? He is unorthodox, unpredictable and fast gaining cult status.  When he's fully fit we'll have a great player or a worse one. 
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Post by: eamonn on February 08, 2021, 03:45:19 PM
Robben...is he still playing? Even when he was 21 he looked 43. Kinda the reverse Obafemi Martin effect. Football needs more Benjamin Buttons.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on February 08, 2021, 04:13:13 PM
He's a lovely footballer to watch, such grace on the ball and we keep the ball much  better with him playing.

Started off slow but we're now seeing what he showed at Ajax and early on at Lyon with more to come.

Personally I'd like to see him play a bit more central at times. Perhaps that's the long term plan. We get Barkley in to help qualify for europe but pass up on signing him for 25m and move Bert central and sign a better RW instead (keep Trez as reliable back up).

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Post by: Smithy on February 08, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
His younger cousin (Lassina Traoré) has scored 1 in 2 in his 20-odd appearances for Ajax since breaking into the side last year (he's only 20)... one to keep an eye on, and possibly use the family connection with in the next year or two!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on February 08, 2021, 06:56:21 PM
He’s in the perfect environment to improve as a footballer. To keep doing what he’s naturally govern good at but add strings to his bow to make him a more rounded contributor. You can see that with the goal he helped to create but also his tracking back and just buying into what he needs to do helping out tactically and defensively.
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Post by: tomd2103 on February 08, 2021, 10:04:17 PM
He's a lovely footballer to watch, such grace on the ball and we keep the ball much  better with him playing.

Started off slow but we're now seeing what he showed at Ajax and early on at Lyon with more to come.

Personally I'd like to see him play a bit more central at times. Perhaps that's the long term plan. We get Barkley in to help qualify for europe but pass up on signing him for 25m and move Bert central and sign a better RW instead (keep Trez as reliable back up).

He's great to watch and some of his touches are sublime at times.  The only real issue is that he gets exposed defensively at times in the system we play, but hopefully that is something that can be worked on. 
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Post by: SoccerHQ on February 08, 2021, 11:00:39 PM
He's a lovely footballer to watch, such grace on the ball and we keep the ball much  better with him playing.

Started off slow but we're now seeing what he showed at Ajax and early on at Lyon with more to come.

Personally I'd like to see him play a bit more central at times. Perhaps that's the long term plan. We get Barkley in to help qualify for europe but pass up on signing him for 25m and move Bert central and sign a better RW instead (keep Trez as reliable back up).

He's great to watch and some of his touches are sublime at times.  The only real issue is that he gets exposed defensively at times in the system we play, but hopefully that is something that can be worked on. 

That's probably why I'd like to see him in number 10 position in the long run although that puts pressure on the two CMs behind him and seems that sort of set up is going out of style in football currently with a few clubs playing three hard working midfielders instead like Liverpool and Spurs do.

I'd expect us to get another wide player in the summer as I reckon we'll cash in on AEG given his value would have increased a fair bit for his form over xmas and he'll have two years left.
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Post by: Hillbilly on February 09, 2021, 12:27:40 AM
He's certainly got plenty of tricks, very exciting to watch. There's an Australian Rules football touch to his shanked clearances..how high will it go, where will it land? He is unorthodox, unpredictable and fast gaining cult status.  When he's fully fit we'll have a great player or a worse one. 
Bit unfair. Most decent Aussie Rules players can usually land a kick on a dime. The extraordinary Dustin Martin of Richmond could probably knock the ash off the end of ciggie from 50 metres.
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Post by: Dick Edwards on February 09, 2021, 10:22:14 AM
Personally I'd like to see him play a bit more central at times. Perhaps that's the long term plan. We get Barkley in to help qualify for europe but pass up on signing him for 25m and move Bert central and sign a better RW instead (keep Trez as reliable back up).

I was thinking this myself. Traore has such creative ability I can see him playing the number 10 role successfully.
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Post by: OCD on February 09, 2021, 11:17:51 AM
I would have thought if the long-term plan was for Traore to play as a 10, we would have seen him play there when Barkley was out.

I suspect we will sign another winger though. It wouldn't surprise me if we went after David Brooks if Bournemouth fail to get promoted.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 09, 2021, 01:17:42 PM
He's certainly got plenty of tricks, very exciting to watch. There's an Australian Rules football touch to his shanked clearances..how high will it go, where will it land? He is unorthodox, unpredictable and fast gaining cult status.  When he's fully fit we'll have a great player or a worse one. 
Bit unfair. Most decent Aussie Rules players can usually land a kick on a dime. The extraordinary Dustin Martin of Richmond could probably knock the ash off the end of ciggie from 50 metres.

I'll take your word for it.  This clip might disagree..
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Post by: LeeB on February 09, 2021, 01:25:00 PM
He's certainly got plenty of tricks, very exciting to watch. There's an Australian Rules football touch to his shanked clearances..how high will it go, where will it land? He is unorthodox, unpredictable and fast gaining cult status.  When he's fully fit we'll have a great player or a worse one. 
Bit unfair. Most decent Aussie Rules players can usually land a kick on a dime. The extraordinary Dustin Martin of Richmond could probably knock the ash off the end of ciggie from 50 metres.

I'll take your word for it.  This clip might disagree..


Good on Steve Sims for extending his sporting career.
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Post by: nordenvillain on February 21, 2021, 04:21:58 PM
He may have scored today, but how many times did he lose the ball when trying to dribble ? He needs to release the ball quicker and realise that he can't try and dribble nearly every time he has the ball, only to lose it cheaply.
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Post by: robleflaneur on February 21, 2021, 04:37:03 PM
He may have scored today, but how many times did he lose the ball when trying to dribble ? He needs to release the ball quicker and realise that he can't try and dribble nearly every time he has the ball, only to lose it cheaply.
Agreed that he overdribbles but I thought his workrate was excellent and he and Ollie looked our only threat.Does seem to be able to play through the middle and is a good finisher.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 21, 2021, 04:39:44 PM
He also had his weekly amusing sliced clearance back into the box
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Post by: colin69 on February 21, 2021, 04:42:30 PM
He did lose the ball a few times but he does offer something going forward. I like him.
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Post by: AV82EC on February 21, 2021, 04:47:23 PM
there was one lovely run in the second half where he seemed to beat about 4 players with sublime ease with wonderful skill and trickery along the touchline, only to then run it out of play.
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Post by: LukeJames on February 21, 2021, 04:56:30 PM
He's improving by the week for me.
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Post by: AGRIPPA on February 21, 2021, 05:06:25 PM
In my opinion we need to be able to adapt from the 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 that we play.... our wide players just aren’t good enough defensively so to pack the midfield at times wouldn’t be so bad as our full backs are good going forward..... as previously mentioned McGinn is nota. DM so bring in Marvellous when needed. From what I saw today ( when all fit) I’d try: 

                         Martinez
        Cash      Konsa      Mings  Targett
                          Nakamba
               McGinn     Luiz      Sanson ( or Ramsey)
                              Jack
                              Olly
                 
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Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2021, 05:19:59 PM
He may have scored today, but how many times did he lose the ball when trying to dribble ? He needs to release the ball quicker and realise that he can't try and dribble nearly every time he has the ball, only to lose it cheaply.

He's just that sort of player. Barkley also does that but in last two months Traore has provided 5 league goals and a few assists while Barkley has been miles off that standard.

Just think a decade ago we were signing N'zogbia thinking he was some sort of player to fire us back into the top 6 and then two years after that we signed Tonev so I'm quite happy with the standard of player Traore is.

I'd like to see him play number 10 role, would offer much more than Barkley and he's got similar style to Romaine Sawyers who did a good job for DS playing that position at Walsall and Brentford.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 21, 2021, 07:55:02 PM
He’s a funny player, but he does have an eye for a goal and we need that.
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Post by: Ian. on February 21, 2021, 08:00:25 PM
He’s pretty bloody good and his goal return has been excellent. I’d rather he’s in the team than on the bench.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 21, 2021, 08:37:29 PM
He’s pretty bloody good and his goal return has been excellent. I’d rather he’s in the team than on the bench.

Agreed.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2021, 08:45:54 PM
We can not have Traore and Barkley in the same team, given a choice Traore offers so much more even knowing that harassing and tackling is not his thing.
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Post by: Woody17 on February 21, 2021, 08:49:49 PM
I love him. Such a ridiculously unpredictable player which I think is kind of refreshing for a Villa team that has been a little dour at times in recent years, can’t think of a player similar anywhere near him in my lifetime. Don’t know what it is but whenever I see him I’m reminded of ‘Ride on Time’ tune from the late 80’s ..... that’s a very good thing. He’s a brilliant asset for us.
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Post by: Des Little on February 21, 2021, 09:00:13 PM
Whenever I think of Ride on Time, I think about The Dome, and that’s not such a good thing.
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Post by: Risso on February 21, 2021, 09:20:32 PM
I love him. Such a ridiculously unpredictable player which I think is kind of refreshing for a Villa team that has been a little dour at times in recent years, can’t think of a player similar anywhere near him in my lifetime. Don’t know what it is but whenever I see him I’m reminded of ‘Ride on Time’ tune from the late 80’s ..... that’s a very good thing. He’s a brilliant asset for us.

That was on the TOTP last week. The model doing the miming to it had a very similar hairstyle to Bert's.
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Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2021, 10:39:55 PM
I bet he can bust out some great dance moves.

He's on course to get double figures for the season. He has skill that even Jack likely marvels at. He's more than good enough at this point in time.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on February 21, 2021, 10:42:46 PM
While a bit of a risk I can also see why for the time being we would consider Bert an alternative to Ollie up front in a pinch. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that of course but he can certainly find the net.
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Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2021, 10:51:07 PM
I bet he can bust out some great dance moves.

He's on course to get double figures for the season. He has skill that even Jack likely marvels at. He's more than good enough at this point in time.

His stats are decent and certainly has a touch of class about him at times.....but performance wise I think he has been consistently poor for weeks now. Tapping home that goal today shouldn't gloss over that he didn't impress at all again today and offers very little without the ball.

Might be worth chancing at 10 against Leeds. Can't chance him covering Elmo again.
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Post by: john e on February 21, 2021, 11:02:07 PM
I like him

I think he will be brilliant in a team firing on all cylinders rather than one struggling for form
but even though he makes mistakes he always offers things in games
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Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2021, 11:11:01 PM
A bit harsh to describe the goal as a tap-in. He sniffed out the opportunity and risked getting hurt and still had to find an unorthodox way of finishing at point blank range. He did really well to score it.
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Post by: olaftab on February 21, 2021, 11:14:19 PM
Bert is scoring very good goals.
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Post by: Ads on February 21, 2021, 11:49:03 PM
He carries a threat with his running and control. Defensively he doesn't offer much, but we are far more menacing with him in the team. Scores, creates and is entertaining too.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on February 22, 2021, 02:16:38 PM
He’s unpredictable and technically brilliant. He may not be the best at tracking back but I think he will improve as the season progresses, I really like him
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 22, 2021, 02:28:54 PM
A bit harsh to describe the goal as a tap-in. He sniffed out the opportunity and risked getting hurt and still had to find an unorthodox way of finishing at point blank range. He did really well to score it.

Agree. Ive seen Trez have lots of them and hit them like the balls a crisp packet.  I love Bertie and much better value than someone like Barkley . Id have played him in the No 10 yesterday instead of Barkley .

He will become alot of fans favourite especially when the fans are back in the ground .
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Post by: mr underhill on February 22, 2021, 04:02:29 PM
I'd have been  deliriously happy to have scored a tap in like his yesterday, especially as he was being assaulted by the goalkeeper whilst scoring
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Post by: DrGonzo on February 22, 2021, 05:20:22 PM
He has the knack of getting into the right place to pick up the pieces, and the ability to finish when he finds himself there.  I think I would rather he started in that middle role where his defensive frailties would not be so glaring.  He is starting to find his feet.  Could prove to be an excellent acquisition.
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Post by: LeeB on February 22, 2021, 06:30:42 PM
As much as he's frustrating at times, he's one of those players that if he was in the opposition you'd be shitting yourself a bit when he got on the ball.

It's a shame he's left footed, otherwise with the way he plays coming inside with Targett overlapping, with Trez doing his job holding firm on the other side and Jack in the middle, we'd possibly have our best balance.
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Post by: ktvillan on February 24, 2021, 11:02:43 AM
Some of Bert's skill is amazing, even more so than Jack. The goal against Albion was just poetry, a simple pass to the back of the net that left Johnstone and the whole defence flat footed.  Lovely to have such a player in the team even if his work effort is a little lacking.
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Post by: OCD on February 24, 2021, 11:14:51 AM
He seems to be coming into form and with Jack out and Barkley not in form, it might be worth making him more of a focus of the team and playing him in the number 10 role. We could then have Trez helping Elmo on the right too.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 24, 2021, 11:17:52 AM
He shanked another one which shouldn't go unnoticed. It shouldn't, but it amuses me no end.  Out for a throw or in the direction of the opposition's half? nah, straight up in the air is a the clearance of choice for Berti.
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Post by: OCD on February 24, 2021, 11:20:37 AM
His nickname should be 'Avit'.
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Post by: fbriai on February 24, 2021, 11:26:06 AM
He shanked another one which shouldn't go unnoticed. It shouldn't, but it amuses me no end.  Out for a throw or in the direction of the opposition's half? nah, straight up in the air is a the clearance of choice for Berti.

Me too. Straight up in the air and, at best, horizontally across the pitch. Like he forgets he's not playing rugby union for a moment.
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Post by: Ian. on February 24, 2021, 11:26:39 AM
He shanked another one which shouldn't go unnoticed. It shouldn't, but it amuses me no end.  Out for a throw or in the direction of the opposition's half? nah, straight up in the air is a the clearance of choice for Berti.
I missed quite a bit of the game as we were playing cards as a family, so I only had one eye on the game. I did catch that though, it’s so funny but it shouldn’t as one day it’s going to loft into the path of someone like Bamford.

I really like him though, he’s so exciting at times to watch. I would like to see him in Barkley’s role then replace him with more of a worker.
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Post by: eamonn on February 24, 2021, 12:36:09 PM
His nickname should be 'Avit'.

Collaborating with Peter Kay and the resultant music video showing both Bert and the comedian bare-chested to illustrate that we can all be fine figures of men (and women and non-binary), in our own wonderful ways.
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 24, 2021, 12:46:20 PM
He shanked another one which shouldn't go unnoticed. It shouldn't, but it amuses me no end.  Out for a throw or in the direction of the opposition's half? nah, straight up in the air is a the clearance of choice for Berti.
Definitely a LOL moment!
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Post by: Bobby Boy on February 24, 2021, 01:29:36 PM
He has definitely got something going for him but I'm not sure that he does enough over 90 minutes. He can be very peripheral for large chunks of a game and we aren't good enough to carry anyone.

I was watching Raphinha last night and he was always involved, always a threat. It didn't always work out but he came back for more.

Traore needs to get more involved and offer more of a consistent presence for me.
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Post by: chrisw1 on February 24, 2021, 01:54:46 PM
To be honest I was very sceptical about this signing.  So far I think he's been really good and with Jack injured he'd be one of the first names on the teamsheet for me as we'll need his creativity.
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Post by: LukeJames on April 04, 2021, 08:02:03 PM
What a strange player. Cabable of the absolute sublime, his assist was fucking brilliant, and also capable of some utter fucking tripe.

I think the moment at Sheff Utd were he took on half their team and put it wide sums up his season so far.

Posted some decent numbers for his first season though.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2021, 08:07:05 PM
Real quality for the goal - he needs to be that decisive more often.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 04, 2021, 08:08:20 PM
He obviously has a higher bar than likes of Trez and certainly El Ghazi.

A rare game where we used three subs and he didn't go off and it paid off with the lovely cross for Ollie's tap in.

I can understand the frustration with him as loads of times today he held on too long and lost the ball but I'm a sucker for player with lovely first touch and he certainly has it.

Will probably continue to frustate next season but he'll also be a match winner at times. I'd like to see him play more centrally personally.
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Post by: JuanMartinez on April 04, 2021, 08:12:57 PM
He obviously has a higher bar than likes of Trez and certainly El Ghazi.

A rare game where we used three subs and he didn't go off and it paid off with the lovely cross for Ollie's tap in.

I can understand the frustration with him as loads of times today he held on too long and lost the ball but I'm a sucker for player with lovely first touch and he certainly has it.

Will probably continue to frustate next season but he'll also be a match winner at times. I'd like to see him play more centrally personally.

Excellent post, he drives me bonkers at times but I know he’s one move away from creating something special and productive.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on April 04, 2021, 08:25:58 PM
Needs to stay on his feet to become a real crowd pleaser
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 04, 2021, 08:28:26 PM
Great feet for the 3rd goal today and great cross.
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Post by: Mellin on April 04, 2021, 09:41:16 PM
Completely enigmatic and I love him for it.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 04, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
Completely enigmatic and I love him for it.
Great feet for the 3rd goal today and great cross.

Agree with both of you. I was also very impressed with his contribution for the first. He switched the play with a cross-field ball to Targett and the Fulham defence never really got back into position before Trez scored.
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Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2021, 12:50:28 AM
Sometimes he's not afraid to get stuck in - ie the dogged work that led to his assist today and his goal against Leicester the other week. Other times, he goes over too easy looking for a foul (today shortly before we equalised) or is muscled off the ball.

Maybe another one who will show more consistency in his second season. Has undoubted quality. But maybe a summer spent whacking a ball against a wall using only his right foot might help as well.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 05, 2021, 09:09:41 AM
Great feet for the 3rd goal today and great cross.

That aside, he gave AEG a decent run for being the worst player on the pitch. Falling over every time he gets slightest whiff of contact doesn't help matters.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 05, 2021, 09:11:38 AM
Traore is so frustrating - he goes missing for so long in some games, then in some games, sometimes the same game, he has fantastic feet and end product - perhaps this is why he's at Villa and not a bigger club for now.

Hopefully he can kick on next season.
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Post by: john e on April 05, 2021, 06:46:32 PM
He probably takes more risk than any other player on the pitch
But that’s what he’s there to do that’s the sort of player he is

That’s why people find him frustrating because he will lose the ball and make mistakes more often because he is our attacking flair player

I don’t mind that because like yesterday when it comes off he unlocks defences and that’s what we struggle to do without Jack and sometimes with Jack

I like his directness and we need players to go forward with the ball not just look for the easy sideways pass option
I liked him when he first came and still do



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Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 07:18:44 PM
He probably takes more risk than any other player on the pitch
But that’s what he’s there to do that’s the sort of player he is

That’s why people find him frustrating because he will lose the ball and make mistakes more often because he is our attacking flair player

I don’t mind that because like yesterday when it comes off he unlocks defences and that’s what we struggle to do without Jack and sometimes with Jack

I like his directness and we need players to go forward with the ball not just look for the easy sideways pass option
I liked him when he first came and still do

I agree about 99% I wish he'd be a bit more direct at times, he has a habit of trying to 'do a jack' and stop the ball and then go when the defender bites but he's not quite as sharp and ends up getting himself crowded out instead. If we can get him to look at beating his man earlier I think he'd score and create a lot more.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on April 08, 2021, 12:35:01 AM
A frustrating player, but one with genuine ability. He has some real skill and also has fast feet, as he showed in the build-up to Ollie's goal.
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Post by: Steve67 on April 08, 2021, 10:03:02 PM
He's as exciting as he is frustrating.  I wish he'd stop the theatrics though.  Good to watch when in form.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 08, 2021, 10:50:33 PM
I was watching TOTP 90 the other day and realised how much he looks like the lead 'singer' of Black Box.
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Post by: Risso on April 08, 2021, 11:16:29 PM
I love him. Such a ridiculously unpredictable player which I think is kind of refreshing for a Villa team that has been a little dour at times in recent years, can’t think of a player similar anywhere near him in my lifetime. Don’t know what it is but whenever I see him I’m reminded of ‘Ride on Time’ tune from the late 80’s ..... that’s a very good thing. He’s a brilliant asset for us.

That was on the TOTP last week. The model doing the miming to it had a very similar hairstyle to Bert's.



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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 09, 2021, 10:50:29 AM
I like him , even when he is having  apoor game he always comes up with that magic ( assist )   .  In the game before he crossed a brilliant ball to Targett who should have gone for the goal instead of sideways and probably would have scored, he was poor that game but If he keeps adding these assists and the odd goal .
He is frustrating but good to have in the squad and I would move El ghazi on and replace him with much better.
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Post by: richtheholtender on April 10, 2021, 02:46:01 PM
Impact player who I would like to see played as a second striker to see if he could do a job there. A player that should be coming off the bench if we want to progress.
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Post by: Risso on April 10, 2021, 05:47:32 PM
A player who should be sold and replaced if we want to progress. He's dire, and an absolute liability.
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Post by: LukeJames on April 10, 2021, 05:50:19 PM
He's consistently awful for 85 minutes but then does something brilliant. Today he was just awful through out.
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Post by: Rudy65 on April 10, 2021, 05:52:06 PM
He's consistently awful for 85 minutes but then does something brilliant. Today he was just awful through out.

The awful consistently overshadows the brilliant. You won’t finish top 6 with him
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Post by: Des Little on April 10, 2021, 06:03:50 PM
Strikes me as the kind of player that’s only any good when things are going right. If we’re up against it, he goes AWOL.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2021, 06:03:59 PM
Shocking yet again and a half hearted limp off, again...
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Post by: Ads on April 10, 2021, 06:05:49 PM
No rhyme or reason to Traore. I assume that's why he gets picked, as if he does do something well, it's exceptional and occasionally breathtaking too. But he's so inconsistent that he can't justify his place.

Not that I have faith in El Ghazi.
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Post by: OCD on April 10, 2021, 06:50:28 PM
When is he going to learn not to do those kamikaze cross-field passes off throw-ins?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 10, 2021, 07:03:02 PM
I don't want him to stop doing them, but I do want him to be better at them! If he can get some consistency in them, they're something that can make a pressing side think twice before they rush him.
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Post by: pelty on April 10, 2021, 09:34:04 PM
A player who should be sold and replaced if we want to progress. He's dire, and an absolute liability.

This 100%!!! I have no idea how he has defenders here.
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Post by: ROBBO on April 10, 2021, 11:58:30 PM
Another failed winger, should have come off at half time.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2021, 12:01:22 AM
A player who should be sold and replaced if we want to progress. He's dire, and an absolute liability.

This 100%!!! I have no idea how he has defenders here.

Probably because he has a few goals and assists.

I think he has talent, but he makes some really poor errors.
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Post by: Risso on April 11, 2021, 12:05:39 AM
That bit where he got the ball and under no pressure, calmly and with all the time in the world, passed straight to a Liverpool player. How does a professional footballer do that?
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Post by: Bobby Boy on April 11, 2021, 09:06:11 AM
He could probably break the world record for keepie-uppies or be part of a fast-edited showreel of flicks and tricks but he's not the man for keeping to team discipline on the field or being part of a team trying to control the ebb and flow of a game.

For all his occasional skills he is a luxury that we can ill afford and I would sell him in the summer.
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Post by: Mellin on April 11, 2021, 09:08:14 AM
Has shown real ability in places and is out of form, as are most of the team. I'm not giving up on him. At least deserves next season having come from abroad...a lesson we never seem to learn.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 09:09:50 AM
He was a liability yesterday and stunned he was not subbed at half time.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 11, 2021, 09:35:43 AM
For the most part, he's shite. Our wide player options are terrible.
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Post by: Ads on April 11, 2021, 09:37:14 AM
He's maddening. That ridiculous piece of skill that totally flummoxed De Bruyne, also came from the same player that blind hooked a square ball behind his own midfield yesterday. I...dunno.
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Post by: Baldy on April 11, 2021, 10:03:33 AM
After his first few games, I thought we had a potential Mahrez on our books. Now I realise, we have a liability.  :(
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Post by: Risso on April 11, 2021, 10:21:41 AM
He's maddening. That ridiculous piece of skill that totally flummoxed De Bruyne, also came from the same player that blind hooked a square ball behind his own midfield yesterday. I...dunno.

It was the same with Samatta. Couple of good things, eg the goal at Wembley, but otherwise a really bad signing. Hopefully the club will realise their mistake with Traore as well, and move him on.
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Post by: passport1 on April 11, 2021, 10:31:20 AM
I'm prepared to give him time.
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Post by: AV82EC on April 11, 2021, 10:37:19 AM
He was a squad player at Chelsea and Lyon in Champs League squads, that's his level. He's what you get for £15m or whatever it was we paid for him. I'd keep him from the perspective of being a squad player. The right sided version of Grealish is what we need to sign this summer.
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Post by: PeterWithe on April 11, 2021, 10:38:00 AM
Different types of player but he reminds me of his namesake Adama, capable of both amazing skill and breathtaking stupidity, sometimes in the same attack. His list of clubs tells you that loads of coaches think they can harness the talent and cut out the bad decisions, then realise they can’t and move him on.

I like watching him but suspect he’ll be off again soon.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 11, 2021, 12:14:49 PM
Oh, I see we have a new scapegoat.
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Post by: Risso on April 11, 2021, 12:16:44 PM
Oh, I see we have a new scapegoat.

Oh FFS, really?  Why don't you go the full David O'Leary and use fickle as well.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2021, 12:17:31 PM
The right sided version of Grealish is what we need to sign this summer.
not too many £100 mil right sided attackers available to us at the moment
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 11, 2021, 12:22:10 PM
Oh, I see we have a new scapegoat.

Oh FFS, really?  Why don't you go the full David O'Leary and use fickle as well.

We have a long history of our fans hating skillful players. Some of our fans really wouldn't be happy unless we have a team consisting entirely of hard working but boring as fuck players. I'd rather not watch the Brummie version of Burnley, thanks.

Traore has been less than great lately, but is one of few non-Grealish players we have that can frighten the opposition. We should be looking to add more players with his talent, not bin him as soon as he has a dip in form.
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Post by: CT on April 11, 2021, 12:24:19 PM
Surely it’s ok to comment on the fact that Traore was abysmal yesterday (and barely broke sweat in doing that) without making him “a scapegoat”?

To add to that, maybe the coaching staff could stop him trying this wild crossfield pass from the right hand touch line which three times now has put us in serious trouble.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 11, 2021, 12:32:03 PM
Surely it’s ok to comment on the fact that Traore was abysmal yesterday (and barely broke sweat in doing that) without making him “a scapegoat”?

Yes, I've no issue with people who don't think he played well yesterday (though I don't agree that he "hardly broke sweat"). I've an issue with those who want to get rid of him because of a less than stellar run of form. He's an exciting as fuck player on his day. He probably isn't going to be absolutely amazing every week because there are probably about three or four players in the world who play in his position and have that level of consistency.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2021, 12:33:10 PM
one week he's the scapegoat - the next week he's Ronaldo.
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Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 12:35:57 PM
Surely it’s ok to comment on the fact that Traore was abysmal yesterday (and barely broke sweat in doing that) without making him “a scapegoat”?

To add to that, maybe the coaching staff could stop him trying this wild crossfield pass from the right hand touch line which three times now has put us in serious trouble.

Is saying we should bin him in the summer really covered by "commenting on the fact he was abysmal yesterday?" though? Scapegoat might be going a bit too far but the comments about Traore since yesterday have just fed on each other and got silly now. If you look at all the players that some insist "need to be replaced in the summer" I reckon we'd be looking at another summer of 9-10 transfers, which is the last thing we want. We have the youngest squad in the league and our owners and CEO have consistently talked about building around young players. With that you're going to get inconsistency and some of our fans are going to have to get used to it
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Post by: Ads on April 11, 2021, 12:52:42 PM
Saying bin him is a daft overreaction.
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Post by: Risso on April 11, 2021, 12:59:33 PM
Saying bin him is a daft overreaction.

The only daft overreaction is saying that criticism of him is making him a scapegoat, without even seemingly really understanding what the word means. He's crap.
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Post by: Ads on April 11, 2021, 01:02:25 PM
He's not crap. He's playing poorly at the moment, but he's got a lot of talent to work with. Whether he/we can harness it more regularly, who knows. But he can score, create, has excellent control and a turn of pace. His form is very mercurial, often in games and halves. Awful against Sheffield United, but nearly scored a goal of the season admist it all.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 01:03:05 PM
Saying bin him is a daft overreaction.

The only daft overreaction is saying that criticism of him is making him a scapegoat, without even seemingly really understanding what the word means. He's crap.
you know that criticism of players or manager is not allowed, even after throwing away 3 points at Anfield.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 11, 2021, 01:09:39 PM
I've said criticising players after a poor performance is fine. Not sure where you got that from. Dismissing good players as "crap" or saying that we should get rid of brilliant players at the slightest hint of poor form is absolute bollocks, though.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 11, 2021, 01:09:41 PM
Saying bin him is a daft overreaction.

The only daft overreaction is saying that criticism of him is making him a scapegoat, without even seemingly really understanding what the word means. He's crap.
you know that criticism of players or manager is not allowed, even after throwing away 3 points at Anfield.

Congratulations on being the thousandth poster to come out with that bit of childishness. 
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 11, 2021, 01:11:04 PM
Saying bin him is a daft overreaction.

The only daft overreaction is saying that criticism of him is making him a scapegoat, without even seemingly really understanding what the word means. He's crap.

Lol.
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Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 01:11:27 PM
Saying bin him is a daft overreaction.

The only daft overreaction is saying that criticism of him is making him a scapegoat, without even seemingly really understanding what the word means. He's crap.
you know that criticism of players or manager is not allowed, even after throwing away 3 points at Anfield.

For fuck sake all some of you do is moan about players, rolling out "criticism is not allowed" after the amount of fucking whiny shit on here in the last 24hrs is so far wide of the mark that it's coming back round the other side.
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Post by: nigel on April 11, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
Given that a fair few were saying Konsa and Target weren’t good enough last season, and seeing the level they are at now, knocking on the England door, shows that players need to settle into a new team.
It’s much to early to consider binning.
I like the fact that we’ve a player that can be breathtakingly brilliant. That will always be there.
Not so keen on the breathtakingly daft things. They can be got rid of.


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Post by: Rico on April 11, 2021, 01:21:04 PM
He's one of those players that would probably be described as an enigma. Great skill last week for one of the goals last week against Fulham, but really poor yesterday. I thought he should have come off at half-time. Imo he didn't look up for it yesterday, too many sloppy passes, and going over at the slightest touch. Its down to the manager to make any decisions regarding his future, but Dean Smith should be telling him to cut out the diving. Personally I don't think he warrants a starting place right now, but equally I wouldn't be looking to sell him either. I think if you had to sum him up it would be something like: can be very skillful, but needs time to adapt to the physicallity of the Premier League.
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Post by: Bobby Boy on April 11, 2021, 01:29:47 PM
Being critical of a player doesn't make them a scapegoat. There are players who you like and those maybe you don't. Other people feel differently.

Unless it's offensive it's all good.
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Post by: ROBBO on April 11, 2021, 01:38:01 PM
Even if you are a really great player and you are playing crap you should be dropped and work hard on the training track to get back. It doesn'y help the rest of the team if an out of form player keeps getting picked, all selections should be made on the basis of how well they are playing.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2021, 03:11:35 PM
Every other player has been impacted by Jack’s absence. Every other player has less space to play in because Jack not only attracts more than one player when he has the ball he opens up space other players to play in. When you give a player like Traore to play in he takes advantage and looks better than he actually is. When you compress his space as teams now do he can struggle at times. It doesn’t make him a bad player. Unless the manager is able to account for Jack’s absence every player will look less than their actual ability.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 11, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
So were a one man team then if the manager cannot litigate the loss of the one player somewhat and everyone looks poor without him. We might as well dispose of the role of manager.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2021, 03:41:03 PM
So were a one man team then if the manager cannot litigate the loss of the one player somewhat and everyone looks poor without him. We might as well dispose of the role of manager.

Dean Smith purely statistically, and before you go to the eye test is not doing anything to disprove that theory.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2021, 11:30:03 PM
Played well today, after a few iffy performances.
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Post by: Ads on May 01, 2021, 11:31:14 PM
When he does something well, its absolute box office. His little flick in the first half was explicit.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 01, 2021, 11:36:17 PM
He is penthouse to the shithouse in the blink of an eye. Very infuriating, but do like him.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2021, 01:20:37 AM
When he does something well, its absolute box office. His little flick in the first half was explicit.

Put this in the post match thread but worth sticking here too

https://twitter.com/thetalkvilla/status/1388585693585321986?s=21
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Post by: olaftab on May 02, 2021, 04:50:45 AM
Oh my the weight, the balance , the accuracy of that sublime shot that Pickford superbly tipped over was absolutely world class. He's worth the gate money just for stuff like that. Just don't ask him to do defensive stuff.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 02, 2021, 07:23:39 AM
As someone said on the Barkley thread, Traore and Barkley are both enigmas.  Often looking like they’re wearing their boots on the wrong foot, but when it works they play at a higher level.  The team can only afford one though and personally I vote for Traore over Barkley as I think he has more and better “wow” moments.

A great highlights player.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 02, 2021, 07:35:00 AM
You need a player who will take risks (a gamble with what you can afford to lose isn't really a gamble, after all!). Barkley is just a risk full stop. Big fan of Bert.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Axl Rose on May 02, 2021, 07:47:05 AM
Oh my the weight, the balance , the accuracy of that sublime shot that Pickford superbly tipped over was absolutely world class. He's worth the gate money just for stuff like that. Just don't ask him to do defensive stuff.

I agree, mate. No point in Bert defending. I think he'll be even better next year, and will thrive with a full house roaring him on.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: LeeB on May 02, 2021, 09:30:31 AM
If he’d have got that shot to dip just after El Ghazi scored it would’ve been sensational, a la Merson in 2000.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 02, 2021, 09:43:54 AM
The tweet that TV posted has been deleted - any ideas? I need to share it far and wide!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: thick_mike on May 02, 2021, 09:44:46 AM
The tweet that TV posted has been deleted - any ideas? I need to share it far and wide!

Probably appear again after the social media boycott
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 02, 2021, 09:46:51 AM
The tweet that TV posted has been deleted - any ideas? I need to share it far and wide!

Probably appear again after the social media boycott

Hopefully!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2021, 09:56:54 AM
I personally think we need more 'functional' type wingers with the way we play and think if you put Barnes and Albrighton from Leicester into our team, we would improve significantly.

Traore is capable of some sublime moments, but would be best employed coming off the bench in the latter stages of games from what I have seen of him so far.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Mister E on May 02, 2021, 10:56:11 AM
Oh my the weight, the balance , the accuracy of that sublime shot that Pickford superbly tipped over was absolutely world class. He's worth the gate money just for stuff like that. Just don't ask him to do defensive stuff.
I agree, mate. No point in Bert defending. I think he'll be even better next year, and will thrive with a full house roaring him on.
Yes, and the turn inside in the first half really was exquisite.
He will improve and - I believe - he'll provide the movement across the front line that Watkins does.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2021, 01:42:01 PM
The tweet that TV posted has been deleted - any ideas? I need to share it far and wide!

https://twitter.com/1874dan/status/1388620216364670980?s=21

https://twitter.com/danfereday/status/1388584852723752965?s=21
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 02, 2021, 01:44:34 PM
Dirt. Pure and utter filth, that. Love it, love him.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 02, 2021, 02:11:45 PM
The tweet that TV posted has been deleted - any ideas? I need to share it far and wide!

https://twitter.com/1874dan/status/1388620216364670980?s=21

https://twitter.com/danfereday/status/1388584852723752965?s=21

Lovely, thank you!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2021, 02:23:41 PM
Allan is a really good player. Bert made it look effortless. He saw the player coming over and without breaking stride made a Brazilian international footballer look stupid. If that was Messi, Allan would be an Internet meme now.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 02, 2021, 02:36:17 PM
Dirt. Pure and utter filth, that. Love it, love him.


it is something you can watch time and time again
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 02, 2021, 04:15:25 PM
The tweet that TV posted has been deleted - any ideas? I need to share it far and wide!

https://twitter.com/1874dan/status/1388620216364670980?s=21

https://twitter.com/danfereday/status/1388584852723752965?s=21

Beautiful. Almost as beautiful was him releasing the ball. As obviously talented as he is, he does have a nasty habit of trying to do too much. The coaching staff need to help him channel that raw talent he has.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: passport1 on May 02, 2021, 05:58:11 PM
I've said it before but I think he will improve and be better next season. Its notable that since setting up he team differently in the last two games he's has been far more effective much like Barkley.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: jwarry on May 02, 2021, 06:21:06 PM
Oh my the weight, the balance , the accuracy of that sublime shot that Pickford superbly tipped over was absolutely world class. He's worth the gate money just for stuff like that. Just don't ask him to do defensive stuff.

I agree, mate. No point in Bert defending. I think he'll be even better next year, and will thrive with a full house roaring him on.

Agreed can’t wait to see him live
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 02, 2021, 06:23:07 PM
i think he is a number 10
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Hockley Lion on May 03, 2021, 11:55:51 PM
The tweet that TV posted has been deleted - any ideas? I need to share it far and wide!

https://twitter.com/1874dan/status/1388620216364670980?s=21

https://twitter.com/danfereday/status/1388584852723752965?s=21

Lovely, thank you!

Gorgeous, mesmerising.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: robleflaneur on May 09, 2021, 05:32:21 PM
i think he is a number 10
He could certainly play that role.Would he be more suited to being a wide attacker with Ollie doing the same and Jack being the false no 9 as one poster suggested ?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: paul_e on May 09, 2021, 05:33:28 PM
i think he is a number 10
He could certainly play that role.Would he be more suited to being a wide attacker with Ollie doing the same and Jack being the false no 9 as one poster suggested ?


I've wanted us to play that way for ages, I think it would suit us perfectly.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 09, 2021, 05:57:50 PM
Imagine if Traore was consistent??

He'd probably still be at Chelsea if that was the case
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: darren woolley on May 09, 2021, 06:03:23 PM
Brilliant goal by Bertrand.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: brontebilly on May 09, 2021, 06:03:25 PM
Imagine if Traore was consistent??

He'd probably still be at Chelsea if that was the case

It's his lack of effort without the ball that's the big problem. They hosed us down our right flank in the first half particularly. All because he couldn't or wouldn't track Shaw. You don't get away with that against most teams in this division. It was the same with Bale yesterday for Spurs, not trying a leg without the ball and it cost them.

Certainly has talent and looked dangerous around their box throughout. Cracking goal too.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 09, 2021, 06:09:35 PM
Imagine if Traore was consistent??

He'd probably still be at Chelsea if that was the case

It's his lack of effort without the ball that's the big problem. They hosed us down our right flank in the first half particularly. All because he couldn't or wouldn't track Shaw. You don't get away with that against most teams in this division. It was the same with Bale yesterday for Spurs, not trying a leg without the ball and it cost them.

Certainly has talent and looked dangerous around their box throughout. Cracking goal too.

My preference would be that we played three CM that play as 8s, similar to Liverpool.  Then they wingers would not have to track back as much.  Currently Barkley/the 10 doesn’t do enough so the wingers are expected to track back.

I don’t think it suits McGinn, Traore, Luiz and possibly El Ghazi to play this way, so I don’t understand why we are doing it to accommodate an out of form/not our player Barkley.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: paul_e on May 09, 2021, 06:14:44 PM
I agree with Dante, a flat 3 across midfield with McGinn/Sanson pushing out to help on the left and Luiz/Ramsey doing the same on the right then add big strong ball winner in between (but who can play a bit). That way you can rotate the front 3 so 1-2 of them are always pressing the ball in the opposition half.
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