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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Steve67 on September 13, 2020, 06:31:45 PM

Title: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2020, 06:31:45 PM
Fee agreed, around £19m.  Apparently he is looking forward to working with John Terry again.  Medical in the next 48 hours according to Sky.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LukeJames on September 13, 2020, 06:33:47 PM
Hope this is aswell as Rashica and its not one or the other.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ger Regan on September 13, 2020, 06:52:05 PM
Linky (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/12071244/bertrand-traore-aston-villa-agree-17m-deal-for-lyon-forward)
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 13, 2020, 07:12:10 PM
Hope this is aswell as Rashica and its not one or the other.

Same here. Rashica looks the real deal whereas Traore (from the stuff I’ve read) sounds hot and cold.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 13, 2020, 07:44:48 PM
For those who Saint-Maximin I think Traore will be much the same. Great pace, tricks, will look amazing at times and will piss us off at times.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2020, 07:54:33 PM
For those who Saint-Maximin I think Traore will be much the same. Great pace, tricks, will look amazing at times and will piss us off at times.

Exactly. They're the sort of players who other clubs' fans think are great because they mostly see the highlights but can be frustrating if you're watching them week in week out.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 13, 2020, 07:55:32 PM
YouTube players
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: darren woolley on September 13, 2020, 08:50:36 PM
Hope we sign him.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 13, 2020, 09:00:48 PM
These premature signing threads are gonna be the kiss of death.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 13, 2020, 09:03:07 PM
Can we stop these premature ejaculations of joy 😳😀
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 13, 2020, 09:05:57 PM
Fee agreed, around £19m.  Apparently he is looking forward to working with John Terry again. 

Didn't Drinkwater say the same? Like others, I hope we also bring in Rashica who looks like a warrior.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2020, 09:07:23 PM
These premature signing threads are gonna be the kiss of death.

I agree, people jumping the gun.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2020, 09:08:46 PM
YouTube players

Sugarbags.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ozzjim on September 13, 2020, 09:36:44 PM
Hope this is aswell as Rashica and its not one or the other.

Ditto IF it happens
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 13, 2020, 09:38:18 PM
I saw some comments on twitter from Lyon fans and a majority were very happy to see him go. Seems they find him inconsistent. However, as chimps league regulars their expectations are probably different to ours.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: dave shelley on September 13, 2020, 09:39:21 PM
Medical in France tomorrow according to SSN transfer blog.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 13, 2020, 09:40:18 PM
I think he’s probably a good shout.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: frank black on September 13, 2020, 09:47:08 PM
Hope this is aswell as Rashica and its not one or the other.

Ditto IF it happens

I suspect a Rashica won’t happen now.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 13, 2020, 09:52:24 PM
Was he played as a wing back last season?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 13, 2020, 09:52:59 PM
Hope this is aswell as Rashica and its not one or the other.

Ditto IF it happens

I suspect a Rashica won’t happen now.

Reporting is we want both.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: bilsim on September 13, 2020, 09:56:15 PM
Huge reservations about this. A former colleague of mine who I'm regularly in touch with is a big Lyon fan and has said Traore is very much a "maverick" player who shows flashes of brilliance between weeks of being shockingly bad and described him as being the worst decision makers he's ever seen. Lyon fans seem staggered they could get so much for him.

Seems very much like a "Rashica deal not happening... Shit let's get an available winger" to me.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 13, 2020, 10:04:07 PM
Could be an insurance buy, looks like the Rashica deal could take another few weeks according to a few sources.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Dazvillain on September 13, 2020, 10:10:21 PM
 So if Rashica and traore both come to fruition does that mean either or that Benrahma is no go, and another no9 type striker won’t be bought ?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ozzjim on September 13, 2020, 10:16:33 PM
As Traore can play down the middle of we get both that would be it you would think. I really hope there is a plan b to Rashica that's not Traore though.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Villatillidie25 on September 13, 2020, 10:18:33 PM
Think Benrahma has been dead for a week or so to be honest. It’s just gone too quiet.
Not convinced by Traore. Like people have said, flashes of good stuff but too inconsistent. We’ve got some inconsistent wingers already and their problem is that the ball doesnt stick often enough with them which puts us under pressure.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PeterWithe on September 13, 2020, 10:33:47 PM
Huge reservations about this. A former colleague of mine who I'm regularly in touch with is a big Lyon fan and has said Traore is very much a "maverick" player who shows flashes of brilliance between weeks of being shockingly bad and described him as being the worst decision makers he's ever seen. Lyon fans seem staggered they could get so much for him.

Seems very much like a "Rashica deal not happening... Shit let's get an available winger" to me.

I can’t help but laugh at this. 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 13, 2020, 10:36:33 PM
What's Dean Smith's track record like for developing players? No prospect of him making this guy better I take it?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: paul_e on September 13, 2020, 10:37:28 PM
What's Dean Smith's track record like for developing players? No prospect of him making this guy better I take it?

Well I can think of a few players who've done alright under him.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 13, 2020, 10:41:21 PM
What's Dean Smith's track record like for developing players? No prospect of him making this guy better I take it?

Well I can think of a few players who've done alright under him.

No Paul, everything is rubbish and we're all doomed.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: olaftab on September 13, 2020, 10:43:27 PM
I assume coming from France he will have to quarantine for 14 days?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2020, 10:58:56 PM
Huge reservations about this. A former colleague of mine who I'm regularly in touch with is a big Lyon fan and has said Traore is very much a "maverick" player who shows flashes of brilliance between weeks of being shockingly bad and described him as being the worst decision makers he's ever seen. Lyon fans seem staggered they could get so much for him.

What's his take on the merits of Andouillette?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: rougegorge on September 13, 2020, 10:59:42 PM
I assume coming from France he will have to quarantine for 14 days?
It's a good point.

However,  James Rodriguez played for Everton and Areola (keeper signed for Fulham from PSG) was on the bench yesterday, and neither could have done 14 days quarantine, and you'd have thought they would have been in Spain and France respectively  over the last 2 weeks.

Maybe it's one rule for them?!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Chris Smith on September 13, 2020, 11:04:50 PM
I assume coming from France he will have to quarantine for 14 days?
It's a good point.

However,  James Rodriguez played for Everton and Areola (keeper signed for Fulham from PSG) was on the bench yesterday, and neither could have done 14 days quarantine, and you'd have thought they would have been in Spain and France respectively  over the last 2 weeks.

Maybe it's one rule for them?!

Presumably they can get tested.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Dave on September 13, 2020, 11:09:53 PM
Think Benrahma has been dead for a week or so to be honest.

Like some sort of Weekend At Bernie's style prank?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: rougegorge on September 13, 2020, 11:19:46 PM
I assume coming from France he will have to quarantine for 14 days?
It's a good point.

However,  James Rodriguez played for Everton and Areola (keeper signed for Fulham from PSG) was on the bench yesterday, and neither could have done 14 days quarantine, and you'd have thought they would have been in Spain and France respectively  over the last 2 weeks.

Maybe it's one rule for them?!

Presumably they can get tested.
I think you're right,  but according to the government's rules on self-isolation, getting a clear test isn't specified as an exemption.

People coming back from those countries could go and get tested and then go about their business if they are clear, but that's not permitted.

Domestic elite sports people are exempt, but that applies to UK athletes, so I am definitely thinking it's a case of 'one rule'...
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Monty on September 14, 2020, 12:13:52 AM
As well as Rashica, this seems a good move. Without Rashica, it looks like a risk.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 14, 2020, 12:24:25 AM
As well as Rashica, this seems a good move. Without Rashica, it looks like a risk.

Agreed. Lyon may think they're like Brentford, pulling our pants down on the price. They may be right but I hold onto the hope we're not banking on him being the main supply route to Watkins. Competition and all that jazz..
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 02:12:36 AM
A slight worry that he's 25 so not exactly a spring chicken (nor are Cash or Watkins either in fairness) so I'm not sure how much he's likely to improve .

Also I wonder what happened in the last two seasons for him to under-perform so much given how good stats from his first year at Lyon suggest.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 02:15:15 AM
Think Benrahma has been dead for a week or so to be honest.

Like some sort of Weekend At Bernie's style prank?

Classic. I do hope Benrahma has seen Weekend at Bernie's at some point in his past or future life as no matter how much money he makes from football, watching that film will give him a lot more joy than assisting an equaliser on a rainy Tuesday night in Preston.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: tony scott on September 14, 2020, 05:28:20 AM
Seeing the comments ,on this and other sights, I wonder if the same person responsible for this signing also recommended D Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: jwarry on September 14, 2020, 06:23:03 AM
Huge reservations about this. A former colleague of mine who I'm regularly in touch with is a big Lyon fan and has said Traore is very much a "maverick" player who shows flashes of brilliance between weeks of being shockingly bad and described him as being the worst decision makers he's ever seen. Lyon fans seem staggered they could get so much for him.

Seems very much like a "Rashica deal not happening... Shit let's get an available winger" to me.

Seem to remember another Traoré being like that
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: enigma on September 14, 2020, 06:46:53 AM
Huge reservations about this. A former colleague of mine who I'm regularly in touch with is a big Lyon fan and has said Traore is very much a "maverick" player who shows flashes of brilliance between weeks of being shockingly bad and described him as being the worst decision makers he's ever seen.
So another Jordan Ayew then?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: mr underhill on September 14, 2020, 06:57:52 AM
Just a hunch but I don't think Rashica was ever likely to happen - bigger clubs are still interested. So if Bert is it for the new wide player with pace, let's hope Dean and Co can tease more of what they see in him out on a more consistent basis.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: bilsim on September 14, 2020, 07:28:11 AM
A thought that popped into my mind this morning. We have already seen a "Bertrand" and a "Traore" at Villa Park. Will this be the first time we've signed a player who's name is an amalgamation of two former players?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: TelfordVilla on September 14, 2020, 07:55:13 AM
Another lengthy work permit drama to play out ?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: sid1964 on September 14, 2020, 07:59:13 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2020, 09:47:31 AM
I read Chelsea receive 15% selling on fee and had 1st refusal should Traoré leave Lyon
Agent JT at work !
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Diablo on September 14, 2020, 09:52:56 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?
I read that his agent Paul Tait initially offered him to Westham (but it was on a Westham blog so...)
https://www.hammers.news/club-news/aston-villa-reportedly-agree-19m-deal-to-sign-traore-after-west-ham-allegedly-rejected-him/
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2020, 10:08:22 AM
A slight worry that he's 25 so not exactly a spring chicken (nor are Cash or Watkins either in fairness) so I'm not sure how much he's likely to improve .

Also I wonder what happened in the last two seasons for him to under-perform so much given how good stats from his first year at Lyon suggest.

Well Jack Grealish is going to improve right and Traoré is like 4 days older. Both have just turned 25!
Maybe his knee injury has set Bertie back? but let's hope he can provide his worth in the forward places.

Also I think many would have seen him play , like other players before, without conscious realising as such.

As well as his time at Lyon he also played for Ajax in European competition and was at Chelsea

Basically so many high potential, young, up and coming player in last 10 years would have been at Chelsea they seem to buy everyone up and farm them out.
Only the few survive for first team there!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2020, 10:09:00 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?
I read that his agent Paul Tait initially offered him to Westham (but it was on a Westham blog so...)

"You can't join da Vile man, please!"
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2020, 10:12:58 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?
I read that his agent Paul Tait initially offered him to Westham (but it was on a Westham blog so...)
I read it was by David Cameron press officer so...
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2020, 10:13:56 AM
Think Benrahma has been dead for a week or so to be honest.

Like some sort of Weekend At Bernie's style prank?

Weekend at Berties.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2020, 10:15:30 AM
Just a hunch but I don't think Rashica was ever likely to happen - bigger clubs are still interested. So if Bert is it for the new wide player with pace, let's hope Dean and Co can tease more of what they see in him out on a more consistent basis.

Hear! hear !
Good luck Bertie Traoré!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Diablo on September 14, 2020, 10:22:51 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?
I read that his agent Paul Tait initially offered him to Westham (but it was on a Westham blog so...)
I read it was by David Cameron press officer so...
Ahh so more plausible than I initially thought
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Steve67 on September 14, 2020, 10:24:07 AM
So, we have concerns that he’s no spring chicken at age 25!
We have concerns that Dean Smith can’t make him a better player.
We have concerns that a Villa hater is his agent!
We have concerns that we might have a lengthy work permit process.

Not much to worry about then. Hopefully he isn’t as absolutely clueless, classless, old and past it as we think!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
We're Villa fans, neurosis is in the genes.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2020, 11:38:02 AM
just read somewhere else that he has turned us down?

If he does turn us down I'll remain philosophical.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: OzVilla on September 14, 2020, 11:39:36 AM
Well they know better than I do but based on all the evidence I’d much rather we were turning our attention elsewhere. The last thing we need is another flaky winger.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ktvillan on September 14, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Well they know better than I do but based on all the evidence I’d much rather we were turning our attention elsewhere. The last thing we need is another flaky winger.

This - if the youtube highlights are the best they could come up with it's not very impressive.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 01:22:47 PM
Some strong opinions on a bloke most people had never heard of before the weekend, never mind seen play.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 14, 2020, 01:29:41 PM
The YouTube show reel is a bit bobbins if I’m honest.  I hope I am wrong.
Looks quick though which will give defences something new to think about.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2020, 01:30:01 PM
I think he looks quick, strong, tricky and dangerous in the highlights reel. I am perhaps though simply easy to please.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 14, 2020, 01:46:27 PM
Seems to be a lot of negativity about this bloke and we haven't even signed him yet!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: TonyD on September 14, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
So we would have 3 hot n cold inconsistent wingers if he signed. 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 14, 2020, 01:55:57 PM
I think he looks quick, strong, tricky and dangerous in the highlights reel. I am perhaps though simply easy to please.

The vid on here wouldn’t play for me so I went to YouTube (or Jew Tube as I’ve just discovered Brexiters call it) and searched a few of my own. I thought he looked good as well.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 14, 2020, 01:57:20 PM
Deleted as it’s not worth the inevitable argument on a hot day
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: bill on September 14, 2020, 02:00:33 PM
1 goal in 23 games last season for Lyon. Not great.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2020, 02:01:10 PM
Seems to be a lot of negativity about this bloke and we haven't even signed him yet!

Yes, we normally wait until they have played at least one game for us.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 14, 2020, 02:06:37 PM
You’d think we were playing Champions League this season, and not a side that scraped to safety by the skin of our nuts, the way some are talking about the types of players who we’re meant to be signing.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2020, 02:09:47 PM
21 goals in 87 games for Lyon. Not bad.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2020, 02:13:23 PM
1 goal in 23 games last season for Lyon. Not great.

but an overall record for them of 1 in 4 and of those 23 9 were from the bench.

It looks to me a lot like he just didn't fit in with how they wanted to play last year.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 14, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Played for Chelsea, Ajax and Lyon and did OK at all of them. Chelsea fans seem to think he is a good player and a good signing for us. He looks better than what we have.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 02:20:00 PM
Correspondent on Talksport has just said that he's a good player whose confidence has "fallen off a cliff" over the last 18 months.

That's where we are really, we have to buy fixer uppers and potential. Especially if players like Zaha are valued at 60 million and above.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 02:21:08 PM
Correspondent on Talksport has just said that he's a good player whose confidence has "fallen off a cliff" over the last 18 months.

That's where we are really, we have to buy fixer uppers and potential. Especially if players like Zaha are valued at 60 million and above.

He needs to read all the comments on here of support to gee him up.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 02:25:54 PM
Correspondent on Talksport has just said that he's a good player whose confidence has "fallen off a cliff" over the last 18 months.

That's where we are really, we have to buy fixer uppers and potential. Especially if players like Zaha are valued at 60 million and above.

He needs to read all the comments on here of support to gee him up.

Anger can be very motivational.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 14, 2020, 02:31:32 PM
Correspondent on Talksport has just said that he's a good player whose confidence has "fallen off a cliff" over the last 18 months.

That's where we are really, we have to buy fixer uppers and potential. Especially if players like Zaha are valued at 60 million and above.

He needs to read all the comments on here of support to gee him up.

Anger can be very motivational.

It was for Danny Drinkwater - after reading some negative views, he went in to speak to Dean Smith and ended up head butting Jota before he could get there...

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 02:38:28 PM
I heard that everybody ran away when they saw just how angry Drinkwater was. Jota was the only other player slow enough for him to catch. Reina too, but he escaped by virtue of having a head start and longer strides
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 14, 2020, 02:53:18 PM
Correspondent on Talksport has just said that he's a good player whose confidence has "fallen off a cliff" over the last 18 months.

That's where we are really, we have to buy fixer uppers and potential. Especially if players like Zaha are valued at 60 million and above.

He needs to read all the comments on here of support to gee him up.

Or maybe he needs to play in his preferred position, apparently Lyon were playing him as a wing back having changed their system.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 03:03:23 PM
It would remove a weight from our worries.
Can this wing-back talk be confirmed by our French correspondent, Bad English ? I think he hates any non-Villa football (understandable) so perhaps not. But maybe one of his students could verify.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 03:36:29 PM
Having his medical in Denmark. Why not?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 14, 2020, 03:41:08 PM
Having his medical in Denmark. Why not?

That could be a way to avoid the quarantine... Whether it works like that or not?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Damo70 on September 14, 2020, 03:51:47 PM
Having his medical in Denmark. Why not?

I had to have a medical in Denmark when I was poorly whilst on holiday out there as a kid. We were visiting Legoland at the time so I actually went to see the Legoland doctor. Sadly the Legoland doctor was a real person just like every other doctor I have seen as opposed to being a doctor made out of Lego.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: UK Redsox on September 14, 2020, 04:06:09 PM
Maybe Traore really is Plastic Bertrand and therefore the medical can only be done by Damo's Legoland doctor :)
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2020, 04:06:51 PM
Having his medical in Denmark. Why not?

I had to have a medical in Denmark when I was poorly whilst on holiday out there as a kid. We were visiting Legoland at the time so I actually went to see the Legoland doctor. Sadly the Legoland doctor was a real person just like every other doctor I have seen as opposed to being a doctor made out of Lego.

I bet you were shitting bricks.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 04:44:30 PM
I hope Rashica has his medical there.  Just think of the bacon pun fun we could have.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2020, 04:49:31 PM
I hope Rashica has his medical there.  Just think of the bacon pun fun we could have.

I'd only do one and that would be Milot.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
I hope Rashica has his medical there.  Just think of the bacon pun fun we could have.

I'd only do one and that would be Milot.

Can he play at the back?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: yammers on September 14, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
I hope Rashica has his medical there.  Just think of the bacon pun fun we could have.

I'd only do one and that would be Milot.

Can he play at the back?

No but he does streak down the wing.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 14, 2020, 04:55:26 PM
Let’s not let this thread bacone a bacon pun thread. I’ll be really salty.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 14, 2020, 04:55:41 PM
Smokey.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Mister E on September 14, 2020, 04:56:30 PM
I hope Rashica has his medical there.  Just think of the bacon pun fun we could have.

I'd only do one and that would be Milot.

Can he play at the back?

No but he does streak down the wing.
Don't be rash - well, rasher than LeeB.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: four fornicholl on September 14, 2020, 04:56:42 PM
Every chance you get, you lot are at it, you'll never be cured.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Border villan on September 14, 2020, 05:08:23 PM
You need some sauce for these puns.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2020, 05:44:44 PM
Having his medical in Denmark. Why not?

I had to have a medical in Denmark when I was poorly whilst on holiday out there as a kid. We were visiting Legoland at the time so I actually went to see the Legoland doctor. Sadly the Legoland doctor was a real person just like every other doctor I have seen as opposed to being a doctor made out of Lego.

If his medical's being done by a Legoland doctor he should play well.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: achilles on September 14, 2020, 05:45:55 PM
Not a good signing, sulking, lazy, arrogant bugger, Villa will regret this big time!
Not certain who scouted this one but they should be sacked.

Just a more expensive version of N'Zogbia, the occasional good bits will soon disappear and very left footed as well, not impressed at all!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 05:47:07 PM
Goldie has two accounts?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: richtheholtender on September 14, 2020, 05:50:04 PM
Not a good signing, sulking, lazy, arrogant bugger, Villa will regret this big time!
Not certain who scouted this one but they should be sacked.

Just a more expensive version of N'Zogbia, the occasional good bits will soon disappear and very left footed as well, not impressed at all!


Straight out the Bolasie book?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2020, 05:55:06 PM
If we were to sign both Rashica and Traore I'd probably get a lardon.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: achilles on September 14, 2020, 05:55:10 PM
Not a good signing, sulking, lazy, arrogant bugger, Villa will regret this big time!
Not certain who scouted this one but they should be sacked.

Just a more expensive version of N'Zogbia, the occasional good bits will soon disappear and very left footed as well, not impressed at all!


Straight out the Bolasie book?

We don't have a particularly good record at signing wingers.
Couldn't we have got Bowen, last season, for about the same money?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 14, 2020, 05:58:10 PM
has Bowen done much at West Ham?

has anyone done much at West Ham?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on September 14, 2020, 05:58:47 PM
Not a good signing, sulking, lazy, arrogant bugger, Villa will regret this big time!
Not certain who scouted this one but they should be sacked.

Just a more expensive version of N'Zogbia, the occasional good bits will soon disappear and very left footed as well, not impressed at all!
Yep, I think his performances in a Villa shirt have been poor, can't say he hasn't been given a chance.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: danno on September 14, 2020, 06:01:32 PM
Not a good signing, sulking, lazy, arrogant bugger, Villa will regret this big time!
Not certain who scouted this one but they should be sacked.

Just a more expensive version of N'Zogbia, the occasional good bits will soon disappear and very left footed as well, not impressed at all!
Yep, I think his performances in a Villa shirt have been poor, can't say he hasn't been given a chance.

We need to sell him before the window closes.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: enigma on September 14, 2020, 06:09:28 PM
has Bowen done much at West Ham?

has anyone done much at West Ham?
He was very good for them last season to be fair.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 06:11:49 PM
Much better than Traore has been for us. He's done fuck all in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2020, 06:38:28 PM
Much better than Traore has been for us. He's done fuck all in a Villa shirt.

His head has been turned by the links to us, he's done nothing since the rumours started.

If we come in with a decent bid, I'd sell him to us and cut our losses.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 06:39:14 PM
Much better than Traore has been for us. He's done fuck all in a Villa shirt.

His head has been turned by the links to us, he's done nothing since the rumours started.

If we come in with a decent bid, I'd sell him to us and cut our losses.

I'm already booing him. Disgusted.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 14, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
Much better than Traore has been for us. He's done fuck all in a Villa shirt.
Adama mk II
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on September 14, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
I can't remember the last time I noticed him on the pitch.Awful waste of money we haven't spent.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Border villan on September 14, 2020, 07:05:50 PM
Can he have the same number as the other Traore to save money on the shirt. (before we sell him by 5th Oct.)
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Dave on September 14, 2020, 07:37:13 PM
His current manager has said that he's joining us.

So I guess that means he's probably joining us.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2020, 07:52:53 PM
His current manager has said that he's joining us.

So I guess that means he's probably joining us.

Does that mean he's joining us or not?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Border villan on September 14, 2020, 08:15:13 PM
Yes, he is joining us ...... or not
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2020, 08:25:15 PM
Much better than Traore has been for us. He's done fuck all in a Villa shirt.

His head has been turned by the links to us, he's done nothing since the rumours started.

If we come in with a decent bid, I'd sell him to us and cut our losses.

I'd drive him here myself.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 08:38:21 PM
I think I must have done a Bobby Ewing at those half dozen or so away games I went to and we sang "Oh Adama Traore".    The only "crap, get rid" Villa player I have ever known that the travelling fans gave his own song.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2020, 08:44:53 PM
I think I must have done a Bobby Ewing at those half dozen or so away games I went to and we sang "Oh Adama Traore".    The only "crap, get rid" Villa player I have ever known that the travelling fans gave his own song.

Salifou had one as well.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: cdward on September 14, 2020, 08:59:10 PM
Would love to see somebody who had the old Traore MK1 on their shirt get to wear it again now.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 09:01:25 PM
That  Salifou song was a piss take song.  The songsters amused themselves doing long   oooooos. When we sang the Adama Traore song at places like Naaarch and Fulham, we meant it.  He was a very exciting player, a crowd pleaser.  I can only assume those who could not see his potential are all armchair MOTD jumpers for goalposts fans.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 09:07:35 PM
Old Traore shows what a good coach Nuno is. He was such a headless chicken for so long. Still a bit of a frustration now, but when you're that quick, its tantalising.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 09:17:46 PM
It's  what coaches are paid to do Ads.  Identify talent and develop it.  Like we did with Southgate, and Evans and Platt and Sid.  That Nuno is a good coach is indisputable.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 09:20:32 PM
I struggle to recall a footballer built like him. If he came on to replace Tuilagi, you'd still have him crashing through defences.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 14, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
Old Traore shows what a good coach Nuno is. He was such a headless chicken for so long. Still a bit of a frustration now, but when you're that quick, its tantalising.

I heard on the radio last season that one key piece of advice that Nuno gave to Traore was to slow down. His point being he can use his pace to beat a man but once he is in front he isn’t going to get caught so he can slow down ( in relative terms ) and assess options instead of treating each run as a sprint to a finish line.

Reminds me of Graham Taylor’s “steady on the trigger” advice to Tony Daley before crossing as he had a tendency to do everything at top speed.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 09:27:49 PM
I think when Gabby was on his (alleged) steroid programme he was well on the way to becoming an understudy for Oddjob.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: OCD on September 14, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
Think it was under Tony Pulis' management that he started to get his act together, at Middlesbrough. Nuno's just built on what had already been started.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 09:32:10 PM
For what it is worth there seems to be apocryphal evidence that Adama Traore's complex ownership situation was more responsible for him leaving VP than his uncoachability.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ads on September 14, 2020, 09:33:15 PM
Old Traore at Boro ended up doing an 60 yard sprint past every other Boro player, when RHM was through on goal, to win the ball back- much to the away end's amusement.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2020, 09:42:06 PM
I have never seen a quicker player.  Yes I have, come to think of it, I saw Usain Bolt in football boots at that game when Gabby flattened some pop star.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: mr underhill on September 15, 2020, 08:54:53 AM
One of the few Villa occasions we don't see eye to eye Brian, but perhaps it was just a case of right player wrong time. He's certainly looked a much more complete player  since joining  Wolves.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2020, 09:25:04 AM
For what it is worth there seems to be apocryphal evidence that Adama Traore's complex ownership situation was more responsible for him leaving VP than his uncoachability.

It may not have been either of those. Maybe if we had not got relegated, we might have been able to persevere with him. That said. I think he has a few more moves in him yet, he seems the type.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 15, 2020, 09:34:07 AM
I don't think the management issues of Sherwood, Garde and all that shambles helped Adama, a young lad in a foreign country managed by total incompetence at a Football club that didn't know it's arse from it's elbow....

at Wolves; a steady, progressive club in the right hands has been exactly what he needed. Exactly what Villa wasn't during his spell with us
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: john e on September 15, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
I don’t know to much (anything) about Traore or Rashica

all I do know is that they or whoever we sign will need to be upgrades on Trez and Ghazi
if we just end up with more of the same hit and miss sort of performances from them we will be stuck with a load of underperforming wingers on big wages for a long while

it a massive call for Smith and he needs to get it right

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Scovilla on September 15, 2020, 12:03:24 PM
Traoré is seen as a very lazy player down here.
I' d rather we signed Raschica.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Fred Crump on September 15, 2020, 12:09:41 PM
Traoré is seen as a very lazy player down here.
I' d rather we signed Raschica.
I don’t like the sound of this at all. Feels like an N’ Zogbia in the making
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 15, 2020, 12:13:44 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: TelfordVilla on September 15, 2020, 12:15:57 PM
I dont like the price being double what Lyon paid for a player who hadn't pulled up any trees there.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2020, 12:16:32 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I thought that.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: jwarry on September 15, 2020, 12:17:05 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

Unless you are Mourinho and then you are all lazy
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2020, 12:18:38 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: cannock villa on September 15, 2020, 12:19:07 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

? who's mentioned the colour of anyone's skin bar you
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 15, 2020, 12:19:15 PM
That  Salifou song was a piss take song.  The songsters amused themselves doing long   oooooos. When we sang the Adama Traore song at places like Naaarch and Fulham, we meant it.  He was a very exciting player, a crowd pleaser.  I can only assume those who could not see his potential are all armchair MOTD jumpers for goalposts fans.

Remi Garde?

He played two games under Sherwood, looked very exciting and then got injured so that's one we signed in summer 2015 who can't be blamed on being mistreated by Tim.

Garde then decided he wasn't required in a relegation battle which is fair enough but Kieron Richardson on the left wing wasn't needed either.

Then Eric Black did some of the most baffling team selections I've ever seen anyone leading Villa make. We were down and he was still selecting all the poor players who the crowd were just booing.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2020, 12:19:46 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

It's been said on here about Traore.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2020, 12:21:06 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

It's been said on here about Traore.

Yeah I know, I was just responding to the accusation about black players in general.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 15, 2020, 12:21:18 PM
Old Traore shows what a good coach Nuno is. He was such a headless chicken for so long. Still a bit of a frustration now, but when you're that quick, its tantalising.

I heard on the radio last season that one key piece of advice that Nuno gave to Traore was to slow down. His point being he can use his pace to beat a man but once he is in front he isn’t going to get caught so he can slow down ( in relative terms ) and assess options instead of treating each run as a sprint to a finish line.

Reminds me of Graham Taylor’s “steady on the trigger” advice to Tony Daley before crossing as he had a tendency to do everything at top speed.

Weimann needed that advice around 2014. Not ridiculously quick but he was a very useful player for us on the counter attack when he broke though. However one of those who likes playing the game at 100mphs which resulted in loads of rushed finishes and overhit passes and now he's just an o.k mid table championship striker when his potential was much better than that.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Scovilla on September 15, 2020, 12:22:59 PM
As said i was just quoting the Lyon supporters on the forum of l'équipe.
Wha i know about him is that ke is very skilful.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: mike on September 15, 2020, 12:27:36 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

It's been said on here about Traore.

And Stephen Ireland. I think it was just Ron Atkinson that linked lazy with black. I'm hoping that the huge number of world class black athletes provide too much evidence for any remotely sentient being to equate race with motivation.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2020, 12:32:26 PM
If he was being asked to play as a wing back i can understand people seeing him as lazy. If it's when he was a winger then I'm always split on what to think. On one hand having a wide player that helps his fullback out is good but on the other hand it can mean that they aren't able to do the job they're in the team for and create chances. As a winger if you're running in behind your fullback and making yourself available for the ball then I don't think lazy is a fair description, even if you don't track back as well as some people would like. In the same way a fullback who doesn't bomb forward at every opportunity isn't being lazy, they're just more focused on what they see as their main job.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2020, 12:33:14 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

It's been said on here about Traore.

And Stephen Ireland. I think it was just Ron Atkinson that linked lazy with black. I'm hoping that the huge number of world class black athletes provide too much evidence for any remotely sentient being to equate race with motivation.

If only it was just Ron Atkinson. It's been a recurring racist trope since slavery.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Risso on September 15, 2020, 12:36:13 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

Same with Gabby in the twilight of his Villa career.  Nothing whatsoever to do with his skin colour though.  I can't think of any other black players we've had who you would describe as lazy in recent years.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 15, 2020, 12:36:18 PM
As said i was just quoting the Lyon supporters on the forum of l'équipe.
Wha i know about him is that ke is very skilful.

Yep and just to be clear I wasn’t suggesting it was your view.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2020, 12:38:33 PM
Not pointing any fingers at anyone on here, as I realise you’re saying this is the interpretation of others, but it is strange how often black players get labelled as lazy.

I think in N'Zogbia's case, it's a fair accusation. He just didn't seem interested.

It's been said on here about Traore.

And Stephen Ireland. I think it was just Ron Atkinson that linked lazy with black. I'm hoping that the huge number of world class black athletes provide too much evidence for any remotely sentient being to equate race with motivation.

If only it was just Ron Atkinson. It's been a recurring racist trope since slavery.

Yep, it's a way pro-slavery racists justified themselves as being 'better' than black people - "We're the slavers not the slaves because we worked hard whilst they did the bare minimum". It's bullshit that doesn't hold up to any scrutiny but the trope has stuck around for centuries.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 15, 2020, 12:44:52 PM
we need to get off this topic quick. It never ends well.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 15, 2020, 12:46:58 PM
In any case are we expecting work permit stuff to be ok? From a very quick look his goal scoring rate looks pretty decent for a wide forward.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 15, 2020, 12:54:33 PM
At both Ajax and then Lyon he started well first season and dropped off. At Lyon he hit 18 goals from the wing in his debut season, which is a very good season. Last year he was played mainly out of position at right back, and the goal return is pretty good for a stand in right back.

Chelsea fans on Twitter (I know) seem to rate him as talented and hard working and think we are getting a good player. Mourinho seems to rate him highly too, and he doesn't suffer poor work rates.

I am quite pleased with this signing. Young player with Prem experience and has played in two decent leagues and the Champions league and not looked out of place. Fast, can play accross the front. Got to be better than picking El Ghazi.

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2020, 01:04:35 PM
In any case are we expecting work permit stuff to be ok? From a very quick look his goal scoring rate looks pretty decent for a wide forward.

52 international caps at the age of 25 would make it pretty hard to deny him one.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 15, 2020, 02:51:30 PM
Its as good as done and yet again came to the name race pretty late

The Villa are getting pretty good at this keeping the media in the dark milarky
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: gpbarr on September 15, 2020, 03:00:52 PM
Not sure what to make of this - doesn't seem to fit the profile of a Smith or Lange signing, and the stats reflect how good he "can" be but also how "anonymous" he can be. The obvious link is Terry @ Chelsea but would he have such influence? We have an existing inconsistency problem out wide in AEG and Trez - struggling to see how this is a major upgrade.

Fingers crossed he buckles down and finally starts to come good
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2020, 03:01:57 PM
Its as good as done and yet again came to the name race pretty late

The Villa are getting pretty good at this keeping the media in the dark milarky

We are and its why some links are meaningless. We were linked with a Bristol City player a few weeks back and some people went barmy.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ozzjim on September 15, 2020, 03:03:39 PM
Yes barmy. Or alternatively discussed a link in a speculation thread.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 15, 2020, 03:08:48 PM
Yes barmy. Or alternatively discussed a link in a speculation thread.

Or being convinced it was fact enough to go barmy over it. That's my point.

Anyway, it is nice that we are keeping our cards close to our chest. Even Jack's new deal has been a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 15, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
Yes barmy. Or alternatively discussed a link in a speculation thread.

Or being convinced it was fact enough to go barmy over it. That's my point.

Anyway, it is nice that we are keeping our cards close to our chest. Even Jack's new deal has been a pleasant surprise.

If you'd read my "He's buying a house in Henley -in - Arden" in the - ITK thread it wouldn't have been that much of a surprise.

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Damo70 on September 15, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
Not sure what to make of this - doesn't seem to fit the profile of a Smith or Lange signing, and the stats reflect how good he "can" be but also how "anonymous" he can be. The obvious link is Terry @ Chelsea but would he have such influence? We have an existing inconsistency problem out wide in AEG and Trez - struggling to see how this is a major upgrade.

Fingers crossed he buckles down and finally starts to come good

I'm sure they would have asked Terry his views on the guy's ability and even more so on his attitude.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 15, 2020, 05:16:57 PM
Sky have just confirmed he’s passed his medical and work permit hearing is today and expected to be a formality.  On his way to Brum tomorrow.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 15, 2020, 05:17:28 PM
done and dusted - apparently.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Mister E on September 15, 2020, 05:20:40 PM
Sky have just confirmed he’s passed his medical and work permit hearing is today and expected to be a formality. On his way to Brum tomorrow.
Whaaaat?!! - You saying he hasn't visited Brum yet? - well, surely he's going to do a u-turn and return to .... where was it again?
He's bound to hate it!!




Ooops, sorry: wrong thread (thought we were talking about Rashica).
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 15, 2020, 05:21:41 PM
He's on the phone to Mrs Unsworth already...
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: richtheholtender on September 15, 2020, 06:10:23 PM
He's on the phone to Mrs Unsworth already...


👏
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: algy on September 16, 2020, 07:49:07 AM
Well, we must have some cracking wing options if a Champions League semi-finalist is below us.

I imagine the scouting team will have gone a bit further than looking at a YouTube highlights reel when assessing him, and we potentially have a better idea of his mentality/attitude than most through John Terry & his contacts.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: DrGonzo on September 16, 2020, 06:56:10 PM
Has the boy landed yet? I'm west of Brum so unable to spot the private jets heading for The Belfry. 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Villafirst on September 16, 2020, 07:03:33 PM
Apparently a delay with the work premit, all down to.....you guessed it, Covid-19. Sky reckon it's a formality.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ger Regan on September 16, 2020, 07:26:54 PM
It's not much of a delay really, though, is it? Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Villafirst on September 16, 2020, 07:57:18 PM
It's not much of a delay really, though, is it? Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?

Difference is Traore is a full international and has the right quota of appearances. Wesley/Luiz deals were far more complex.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: mr underhill on September 16, 2020, 08:40:27 PM
I think this is still a smoke screen to flush Rashica out.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 16, 2020, 08:42:23 PM
I think this is still a smoke screen to flush Rashica out.

Ah, the old 'apply for a work permit' switcheroo!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2020, 08:47:22 PM
It's not much of a delay really, though, is it? Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?

It's just a lack of patience again. I'm sure it will be done at some point.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2020, 09:07:03 PM
It's not much of a delay really, though, is it? Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?

It's just a lack of patience again. I'm sure it will be done at some point.

Apparently in Birmingham. Medical done. Personal terms and fee done. Waiting on clearance which should be soon. Early next week at the latest is my guess but could be sooner.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ROBBO on September 16, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Rashica is the bit of excitement the Villa need, he would be a fans favourite.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Ian J on September 16, 2020, 09:21:59 PM
He’d definitely give us that pace we lack.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: olaftab on September 16, 2020, 09:42:15 PM
Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?
That's because being Brazilian their President refused to acknowledge they existed.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 16, 2020, 10:43:40 PM
Weren't Wesley and Luiz's deals delayed by weeks last summer?
That's because being Brazilian their President refused to acknowledge they existed.

Probably didn't help that Doug and Wesley's surnames make up the name of the President's disgraced political opponent. ;)
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: darren woolley on September 17, 2020, 09:46:17 AM
Rashica is the bit of excitement the Villa need, he would be a fans favourite.

I also think he would be a brilliant signing for us and be a fans favourite.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: robbo1874 on September 18, 2020, 07:14:24 AM
I know fk all about either Rashica or Traore. If they’re good enough for Deano- good enough for me 😄
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ozzjim on September 18, 2020, 08:27:10 AM
I think Traore will be loved, he looks like one of those that doesn't know what he's going to do next, and could win a couple of games on his own, then be utter shite the week after. Players like that are always good fun.

Rashica looks a very good player at a very good age to get him. Still can't see it but if they both come it's pretty exciting, especially with the movement of Watkins.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2020, 08:58:18 AM
I think Traore will be loved, he looks like one of those that doesn't know what he's going to do next, and could win a couple of games on his own, then be utter shite the week after. Players like that are always good fun.

Rashica looks a very good player at a very good age to get him. Still can't see it but if they both come it's pretty exciting, especially with the movement of Watkins.

Tony Daley....
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: DeeBoy1 on September 18, 2020, 09:06:46 AM
I think Traore will be loved, he looks like one of those that doesn't know what he's going to do next, and could win a couple of games on his own, then be utter shite the week after. Players like that are always good fun.

Rashica looks a very good player at a very good age to get him. Still can't see it but if they both come it's pretty exciting, especially with the movement of Watkins.

Tony Daley....

Still my favourite ever Villa player...not the best player obviously but due to my age I'm not sure anyone will ever pass him as my favourite now that I'm in my 40s!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2020, 10:27:18 AM
You just never knew what was going to happen. I loved watching him.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 10:58:14 AM
Ohhhh Bertrand Traoooorrrre ohhh Bertrand Traoooooore.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: chrisf on September 18, 2020, 11:09:58 AM
You just never knew what was going to happen. I loved watching him.
I loved Tony Daley but I was always pretty confident he'd hare it to the byline then muff up his cross.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: KevinGage on September 18, 2020, 11:22:33 AM
He usually did.

He was always more of a wide forward and better when he was being direct and cutting in for goal.

He'd be better suited to today's game.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: algy on September 18, 2020, 11:41:37 AM
I think Traore will be loved, he looks like one of those that doesn't know what he's going to do next, and could win a couple of games on his own, then be utter shite the week after. Players like that are always good fun.

Rashica looks a very good player at a very good age to get him. Still can't see it but if they both come it's pretty exciting, especially with the movement of Watkins.

Tony Daley....

Still my favourite ever Villa player...not the best player obviously but due to my age I'm not sure anyone will ever pass him as my favourite now that I'm in my 40s!
I loved Tony Daley as a kid.  To the point that, when I was 5 or 6, I got naked and painted myself with brown poster paint so that I'd be more like him.  I think I'd struggle to name half a dozen players who came even close to his level in my eyes (Paul McGrath, Super Jack, Nigel Spink, ... then I start struggling).
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: DrGonzo on September 18, 2020, 11:43:49 AM
Could we revive That's Traore?  When he dance down the wing, with the ball at his feet... that's Traore...?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: eamonn on September 18, 2020, 11:48:37 AM
I think Olof's Beard used to put the top of a kitchen mop on his head so that he "looked" more like Daley.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ktvillan on September 18, 2020, 12:00:07 PM
Daley was a bit like Adama Traore when he first broke through - incredible pace but headless chicken.  I seem to recall Graham Taylor telling him to slow down/look up a bit more (much like Nuno has done with AT) and also saying he needed "a trick or two". After that he was much more effective and scored some brilliant goals.  I remember strolling down to Highbury when I lived nearby in the 80s and standing on the North Bank (you could just turn up and pay on the gate at the time) and the Arsenal fans were absolutely bricking it every time Daley got the ball, which I found very amusing.     

Rahsica's highlight reel reminded me of Tony Morley in places.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Daley was a bit like Adama Traore when he first broke through - incredible pace but headless chicken.  I seem to recall Graham Taylor telling him to slow down/look up a bit more (much like Nuno has done with AT) and also saying he needed "a trick or two". After that he was much more effective and scored some brilliant goals.  I remember strolling down to Highbury when I lived nearby in the 80s and standing on the North Bank (you could just turn up and pay on the gate at the time) and the Arsenal fans were absolutely bricking it every time Daley got the ball, which I found very amusing.     

Rahsica's highlight reel reminded me of Tony Morley in places.

There were two distinct sounds I remember when the ball reached Daley, the growl of encouragement to "Skin him Tone", and the clatter of the wooden seats in the Trinity and Witton as everybody stood up.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 12:14:10 PM
Or alternatively this little beauty.

https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Damo70 on September 18, 2020, 12:15:07 PM
Tony Daley was part of a promotion winning side, a cup winning side and part of two runners up sides in the top flight. Add to that the quality of some of the goals he scored and he definitely goes down as one of the best Villa players in my time supporting the club.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: DeeBoy1 on September 18, 2020, 12:19:47 PM
He would definitely have been better now with the reverse winger approach and cutting in rather than crossing...he was no John Barnes when he got to the byline but I just loved him. I still remember drawing a felt tip picture of his flying volley against Everton....good times!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2020, 12:22:00 PM
Or alternatively this little beauty.

https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk

Probably my favourite Villa goal that I saw live. That the footage is accompanied by Barry Davies commentary is a massive bonus
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Dr Butler on September 18, 2020, 12:24:55 PM
Or alternatively this little beauty.

https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk

Probably my favourite Villa goal that I saw live. That the footage is accompanied by Barry Davies commentary is a massive bonus

not sure if my memory serves me right, but was that Stripey Filth v Villa FA Cup game on TV ?

I seem to remember watching it with my Dad

UTV
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Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2020, 12:29:09 PM
Or alternatively this little beauty.

https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk

Probably my favourite Villa goal that I saw live. That the footage is accompanied by Barry Davies commentary is a massive bonus

not sure if my memory serves me right, but was that Stripey Filth v Villa FA Cup game on TV ?

I seem to remember watching it with my Dad

UTV
The Doc

Was on Match of the Day on the evening, but not live I don't think. It was an early kick off as well.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 12:45:27 PM
No definitely not live - was a Saturday lunchtime kick off because I think SHA were playing in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Clampy on September 18, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
Was that the game they showed on the big screen at the Leisure Centre?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 12:53:01 PM
That I can't remember.  Might have been though.  We could have sold out our end three times over..  We were in the middle of that fantastic run under SGT.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: PeterWithe on September 18, 2020, 12:55:42 PM
I got a ticket for the game on the night before in a pub, the blokes I bought it off also gave me a lift there and back and I never saw either of them again.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: GlossopVillain on September 18, 2020, 01:05:23 PM
Was that the game they showed on the big screen at the Leisure Centre?

It was indeed. I was there as a slightly bemused 8 year old. I recall wading through the mess at the end after hundreds of ripped up free copies of the meaning evil had gone up in the air with each goal.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: dave shelley on September 18, 2020, 01:07:57 PM
That game was definitely shown live in Ireland because I watched it. 

A couple of years or so ago, we were staying with our friends in London, big Brentford fans, and I was to meet their son prior to the game and we would go in together.  Me being me, I arrived well before time and enjoyed walking around taking in the atmosphere, they were playing Wolves.  Anyhow, on one of my circuits of the streets I arrived near the players entrance just as the Wolves bus turned up. I hung around watching them disgorge when Tony Daley emerged and went straight to the luggage space and started to unload his gear.  He was less than six feet away from me and I so wanted to speak to him but felt I would be interrupting his schedule.  I've been annoyed at myself about this ever since.  Missed opportunities and all that.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 18, 2020, 01:42:21 PM
Perhaps this was a little premature !
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: villabear on September 18, 2020, 03:21:02 PM
That game was definitely shown live in Ireland because I watched it. 

A couple of years or so ago, we were staying with our friends in London, big Brentford fans, and I was to meet their son prior to the game and we would go in together.  Me being me, I arrived well before time and enjoyed walking around taking in the atmosphere, they were playing Wolves.  Anyhow, on one of my circuits of the streets I arrived near the players entrance just as the Wolves bus turned up. I hung around watching them disgorge when Tony Daley emerged and went straight to the luggage space and started to unload his gear.  He was less than six feet away from me and I so wanted to speak to him but felt I would be interrupting his schedule.  I've been annoyed at myself about this ever since.  Missed opportunities and all that.

His slightly partisan co commentary at the play off final was brilliant. Especially his Brummie "c'mon!"

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1133790103900266497?s=20
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 18, 2020, 03:42:26 PM
I met Daley outside Wembley before Bolton semi final in 2000. He was getting mobbed but had time for a picture with me. Dead chuffed, he was my first hero.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: ozzjim on September 18, 2020, 03:58:46 PM
Perhaps this was a little premature !

Been a bit of that this summer with new player threads, but at least it keeps discussion about him in one place and allows the transfer thread to be for people to speculate about other players we have been tentatively linked to.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 18, 2020, 04:11:51 PM
TD one of the nicest men in football you could wish to meet.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
TD one of the nicest men in football you could wish to meet.

Him, God and Sid all in the same team. Just shows you don't have to be a bellend to be great.

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 18, 2020, 05:31:24 PM
The Albion game wasn't live on tv, though it was played on a Saturday lunchtime.  Daley's goal was a glorious moment.  I recall getting soaked on the walk back to the Blue Gates in Smethwick after the game, where my sister picked up me and my dad in her car.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2020, 05:55:24 PM
TD one of the nicest men in football you could wish to meet.

Yep, he's really great to chat to.  He does make you feel slightly (ie very) inadequate given the incredible shape he's in at his age though.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: darren woolley on September 18, 2020, 06:14:42 PM
TD one of the nicest men in football you could wish to meet.
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TD one of the nicest men in football you could wish to meet.

I totally agree I've had the pleasure of meeting Tony Daley a few times he's a really nice man.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 06:18:07 PM
How come Liverpool can announce the signing of the best defensive midfielder in the world within a couple of days whereas our signings each take a week.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: OCD on September 18, 2020, 06:27:13 PM
There's been talk of Liverpool being in for him for weeks and weeks.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 18, 2020, 06:30:19 PM
How come Liverpool can announce the signing of the best defensive midfielder in the world within a couple of days whereas our signings each take a week.

Alcantara? They've been linked with him for far longer than two days.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 18, 2020, 06:42:58 PM
the point Villa are a little slow may be what kippax is getting at :D
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
Yes but I’m itk Liverpool only put a formal bid in 24 hours and 3 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: richtheholtender on September 18, 2020, 08:02:43 PM
Yes but I’m itk Liverpool only put a formal bid in 24 hours and 3 minutes ago.

😂 who told you? Boy George?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 08:06:57 PM
Yes but I’m itk Liverpool only put a formal bid in 24 hours and 3 minutes ago.

😂 who told you? Boy George?

Funnily enough he said he was ‘buzz in’.  Then broke into song something about a chameleon.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 18, 2020, 08:09:58 PM
Yes but I’m itk Liverpool only put a formal bid in 24 hours and 3 minutes ago.

😂 who told you? Boy George?

Funnily enough he said he was ‘buzz in’.  Then broke into song something about a chameleon.
the Gabby version?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Villafirst on September 18, 2020, 09:02:31 PM
Has Traore got his work permit yet? Is he in the UK or still in France?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 18, 2020, 09:31:25 PM
Similar to the only club ever in the history of football to be done for tapping up a player, we are the only club in history to have a work permit hold up because of Covid-19.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: Richard E on September 18, 2020, 09:37:23 PM
And didn’t even sign the player after tapping him up!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2020, 11:11:46 PM
And didn’t even sign the player after tapping him up!

We got done for tapping up a player that didn't even want to join us.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: robbo1874 on September 19, 2020, 08:51:16 AM
The Albion game wasn't live on tv, though it was played on a Saturday lunchtime.  Daley's goal was a glorious moment.  I recall getting soaked on the walk back to the Blue Gates in Smethwick after the game, where my sister picked up me and my dad in her car.
i listened to That one on Radio 2. My mate and his dad had a ticket, but no joy for me. I reckon Villa would have had 6-7k there that day?
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Post by: aev on September 19, 2020, 08:52:12 AM
Controversial but back on topic, do we know what the hold up is?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 19, 2020, 09:00:12 AM
Work permit.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: aev on September 19, 2020, 09:01:16 AM
Ah now confirmed as done!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore
Post by: chrisf on September 19, 2020, 09:01:36 AM
Confirmed on Twitter
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Post by: dave shelley on September 19, 2020, 09:02:46 AM
Confirmed on Twitter

If true, does that make him eligible for a spot on the bench Monday if fit enough?
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Post by: jwarry on September 19, 2020, 09:05:07 AM
Very happy with this one.  Gives us more unpredictability other than just Jack
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 19, 2020, 09:05:27 AM
Lovely stuff welcome Bertrand.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 19, 2020, 09:06:27 AM
pleased

he must be an improvement on El Ghazi.
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Post by: DB on September 19, 2020, 09:06:51 AM
Just got a message from the Villa app. Done.
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Post by: Ads on September 19, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.
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Post by: Lescottstweets on September 19, 2020, 09:15:26 AM
pleased

he must be an improvement on El Ghazi.

To be fair N’Zogbia would be an improvement on El Ghazi, EPL is way above his level.
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Post by: Risso on September 19, 2020, 09:17:41 AM
pleased

he must be an improvement on El Ghazi.

To be fair N’Zogbia would be an improvement on El Ghazi, EPL is way above his level.

Sorry but that's nonsense.  N'Zogbia is one of the worst players to ever pull on a shirt for Villa.  At least El Ghazi tries, he just isn't very good.
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Post by: Dr Butler on September 19, 2020, 09:20:58 AM
welcome Bert,  don't be shit


UTV
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Post by: dave shelley on September 19, 2020, 09:24:56 AM
Whatever happens to AEG, I'll always be grateful to him for being in the right spot for our first goal in the play-off final and his deflected cross that allowed SJM to score the second.  Also, I have respect for him for suspending his religious beliefs and making himself available for the play-off semi-final second leg against the stripey's.  A very frustrating player nonetheless.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 19, 2020, 09:25:58 AM
Whatever happens to AEG, I'll always be grateful to him for being in the right spot for our first goal in the play-off final and his deflected cross that allowed SJM to score the second.  Also, I have respect for him for suspending his religious beliefs and making himself available for the play-off semi-final second leg against the stripey's.  A very frustrating player nonetheless.
agreed - he has had his good points....
I just hope we've now got a better player in his position.
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Post by: Lescottstweets on September 19, 2020, 09:26:13 AM
pleased

he must be an improvement on El Ghazi.

To be fair N’Zogbia would be an improvement on El Ghazi, EPL is way above his level.

Sorry but that's nonsense.  N'Zogbia is one of the worst players to ever pull on a shirt for Villa.  At least El Ghazi tries, he just isn't very good.

Have to disagree, El Ghazi may be a trier, but he’s Championship at best. Naming N’Zog as an example was to give my opinion on AEG.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2020, 09:28:22 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.

That's pretty much it. It's a lot of money for a player that hasn't done much for years and the Lyon fans can't believe somebody has paid them £20m for a player they don't play or want. A bit like somebody offering us £20m for Scott Hogan. I'm guessing John Terry has convinced Dean he's worth the gamble. I've always wondered if Terry was behind us bringing Drinkwater in on loan.

But you're dead right, Ads, if Traore can regain the confidence (and it's a big if) we could have a serious player on our books. Everything crossed.

Welcome, Bertrand. Do us and yourself proud.
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Post by: Clampy on September 19, 2020, 09:32:25 AM
Welcome Bertrand.
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Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 09:34:02 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.

That's pretty much it. It's a lot of money for a player that hasn't done much for years and the Lyon fans can't believe somebody has paid them £20m for a player they don't play or want. A bit like somebody offering us £20m for Scott Hogan. I'm guessing John Terry has convinced Dean he's worth the gamble. I've always wondered if Terry was behind us bringing Drinkwater in on loan.

But you're dead right, Ads, if Traore can regain the confidence (and it's a big if) we could have a serious player on our books. Everything crossed.

Welcome, Bertrand. Do us and yourself proud.

Yeah because we always do well with those players looking for a new start and a confidence boost
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Post by: AV82EC on September 19, 2020, 09:34:29 AM
I hereby apply for membership of the Ouagadougou Villains.
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Post by: frank black on September 19, 2020, 09:35:24 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.

That's pretty much it. It's a lot of money for a player that hasn't done much for years and the Lyon fans can't believe somebody has paid them £20m for a player they don't play or want. A bit like somebody offering us £20m for Scott Hogan. I'm guessing John Terry has convinced Dean he's worth the gamble. I've always wondered if Terry was behind us bringing Drinkwater in on loan.

But you're dead right, Ads, if Traore can regain the confidence (and it's a big if) we could have a serious player on our books. Everything crossed.

Welcome, Bertrand. Do us and yourself proud.

Didn’t he have a cracking season before last and then end up being played out of position this season?
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Post by: algy on September 19, 2020, 09:40:12 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.

That's pretty much it. It's a lot of money for a player that hasn't done much for years and the Lyon fans can't believe somebody has paid them £20m for a player they don't play or want. A bit like somebody offering us £20m for Scott Hogan. I'm guessing John Terry has convinced Dean he's worth the gamble. I've always wondered if Terry was behind us bringing Drinkwater in on loan.

But you're dead right, Ads, if Traore can regain the confidence (and it's a big if) we could have a serious player on our books. Everything crossed.

Welcome, Bertrand. Do us and yourself proud.

Didn’t he have a cracking season before last and then end up being played out of position this season?
Yeah, that's the impression i had - he was quite prolific for a wide player in his first couple of seasons at Lyon, then they started playing him as a wing back and he looked less good.

I'm quite optimistic about him. Looks like he's a right handful when he's on form.
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Post by: darren woolley on September 19, 2020, 09:40:17 AM
Welcome to Aston Villa Bertrand.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2020, 09:42:36 AM
Yeah because we always do well with those players looking for a new start and a confidence boost

Mings couldn't get in the Bournemouth team when we took him on loan. He hasn't done too badly.
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Post by: rougegorge on September 19, 2020, 09:43:31 AM
Come on Bertie, recapture that confidence and you'll do fine.

That's pretty much it. It's a lot of money for a player that hasn't done much for years and the Lyon fans can't believe somebody has paid them £20m for a player they don't play or want. A bit like somebody offering us £20m for Scott Hogan. I'm guessing John Terry has convinced Dean he's worth the gamble. I've always wondered if Terry was behind us bringing Drinkwater in on loan.

But you're dead right, Ads, if Traore can regain the confidence (and it's a big if) we could have a serious player on our books. Everything crossed.

Welcome, Bertrand. Do us and yourself proud.
I am with you on this. A lot of 'ifs' and not totally convinced (yet!), but obviously hope he does really well and it gives us more options.
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Post by: colin69 on September 19, 2020, 09:44:31 AM
I have to say I don’t know too much about him but hopefully the club have done their homework and he’s a success.
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Post by: Villafirst on September 19, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
Welcome Bertrand! Now we need another striker to replace Samatta.
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Post by: nodge on September 19, 2020, 09:46:55 AM
Hope we get the real Bertrand and not the plastic one.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 19, 2020, 09:48:53 AM
Got to better than El Ghazi so Im happy enough.

Rashica next and we will be looking good *crosses fingers*
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 19, 2020, 09:50:33 AM
Our first ever player from Burkina Faso? It has to be. Be brilliant Bert.

I’m not getting all the El Ghazi stick. It was his first season in the Prem and will be better for it. He’ll be a useful squad player this season.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 19, 2020, 09:52:31 AM
Our first ever player from Burkina Faso? It has to be. Be brilliant Bert.

I’m not getting all the El Ghazi stick. It was his first season in the Prem and will be better for it. He’ll be a useful squad player this season.

Agree on both.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on September 19, 2020, 09:53:00 AM
Welcome Bertrand!

Lyon think they’ve robbed us and he’s not very good. Chelsea fans think we have one hell of a player on our hands here.

With the right coaching and development, I think he could turn into something really special. He needs to regain confidence and with his relationship with John Terry, it might well be the totally new start he needs.

He’s clearly no mug, the heritage and level he’s played at is a testimony to this.

I’m excited to see him this season though. Let’s hope he cuts it.

Now onto Rashica... fingers crossed.
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Post by: Smoke on September 19, 2020, 09:55:42 AM
Interesting he calls himself a striker in his interview.

I think maybe a lot of us are assuming he's a winger who can play up top if needs be.

Obviously he'll be part of the front 3 for us.

Is he the alternative pick to Wilson though rather than the Kosovan fella?
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Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 10:01:54 AM
Yeah because we always do well with those players looking for a new start and a confidence boost

Mings couldn't get in the Bournemouth team when we took him on loan. He hasn't done too badly.

Your right
That’s made me feel a lot more optimistic now
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Post by: JD on September 19, 2020, 10:05:56 AM
Welcome to Aston Villa Bertrand.

I agree Darren. That's all I have to say as well.
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Post by: Smoke on September 19, 2020, 10:07:32 AM
Ooooohhh Bertie Traooooooooré
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 19, 2020, 10:09:48 AM
Another attacking option. Hopefully plays wide right.

Still think we need a ball winner in the middle, not sure Nakamba is up to it
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Post by: Axl Rose on September 19, 2020, 10:12:11 AM
Never heard of him before last week, haven't seen him play. Mates in France reckon he's decent and we'll enjoy watching him play.

Welcome Bertrand.
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Post by: eamonn on September 19, 2020, 10:19:41 AM
Ooooohhh Bertie Traooooooooré

That fucking White Stripes song knows no bounds in football.
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Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2020, 10:22:49 AM
Welcome to The Villa Bert.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 19, 2020, 10:39:50 AM
Don’t know anything about him, hope he’s great for us.
As for El Ghazi, lots of talent I think and has been good for us in spurts, played quite well in the cup final last year and play off final, so can do it in big occasions. Just not sure he’s tough enough for a wet November down at Southampton or wherever. Was also really poor against burton. Think he’ll go myself or be sub at best this season, this new lad and Trez ahead of him
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Post by: garyellis on September 19, 2020, 11:18:05 AM
I really hope this lad settles in and does the business. For all his limitations Gabby in his prime demonstrated how much true pace is worth.
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 19, 2020, 11:22:49 AM
Welcome to The Villa Bert!

Please be really good.
UTV!
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Post by: Tebepaul on September 19, 2020, 11:23:36 AM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course. 
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Post by: Mister E on September 19, 2020, 11:26:13 AM
Have to disagree, El Ghazi may be a trier, but he’s Championship at best. Naming N’Zog as an example was to give my opinion on AEG.
N'Zogbia was a complete vanity purchase by TSM.
He was absolutely effin' useless. As Risso says, at least AEG is a trier and shows some affiliation with the club.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 19, 2020, 11:32:51 AM
Interesting he calls himself a striker in his interview.

I think maybe a lot of us are assuming he's a winger who can play up top if needs be.

Obviously he'll be part of the front 3 for us.

Is he the alternative pick to Wilson though rather than the Kosovan fella?

I think he's the striker along with Watkins. As he can play wide forward and central. Like Watkins .

And Rashica is of course the winger
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Villa Lew on September 19, 2020, 11:33:39 AM
Welcome to the Villa Bertrand
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 11:40:32 AM
apparently he has a 1 Star weak foot on FIFA whatever that means
I assume he’s very one footed
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 19, 2020, 11:41:34 AM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course.
Two steps backwards !
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2020, 11:50:16 AM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course.
Two steps backwards !
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 19, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course.
Two steps backwards !
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.





And it’s too hot for September!! 😀
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Clampy on September 19, 2020, 11:55:23 AM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course.
Two steps backwards !
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.

Before they have even kicked a ball as well. Incredible.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Tebepaul on September 19, 2020, 11:56:42 AM
Quote
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.

The negative is that I think we've spent £17+ million on the wrong player. None of my French friends can understand this move, and it doesn't appear that the Villa scouting team been watching Ligue 1 matches recently.   
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2020, 11:58:45 AM
He’s going to be an exciting signing. And he’s going to frustrating at times. But exciting wingers are exactly that. Said before, for me he will be like Saint Maximin where he will get you off your seat, he will score some great goals and set up a bunch. But there will be games he will get marked out of the game. And that’s why it’s good we have options on the bench. He’s precisely the type of stepping stone player as we attempt to climb the table. We could not have bought his quality last season. And hopefully next year we can buy a bit better if by some miracle we get into a Europa spot. This signing is all about our intent and development to improve every year.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 19, 2020, 11:58:52 AM
Let’s give him a chance hey!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2020, 11:59:37 AM
Quote
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.

The negative is that I think we've spent £17+ million on the wrong player. None of my French friends can understand this move, and it doesn't appear that the Villa scouting team been watching Ligue 1 matches recently.   

I hope this is your Belgium Villa moment.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2020, 12:00:20 PM
Quote
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.

The negative is that I think we've spent £17+ million on the wrong player. None of my French friends can understand this move, and it doesn't appear that the Villa scouting team been watching Ligue 1 matches recently.   

Have you seen some of the non Villa opinions about Jack Grealish? Many of them think he’s shit or overrated. What does it matter what your French friends say?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 19, 2020, 12:00:48 PM
Disappointed in this signing, and particularly at this price. Traoré had a good first season at Lyon, but has been in decline ever since.

He's only good in 1 of every 5 games, and if this signing means that we've given up on the far superior Milot Rashica, then it's two steps backwards for the club.

Obviously wish him well at Villa, of course.
Two steps backwards !

Not at all for me I have some hope as he fits Dean Smith football philosophy in the front 3 . I understand the perspective.

It offers flexibility and variety of attacking options as he can play central. From that positions and wide he can score goals . And from wide be can certainly assist.
Let's remember it's not simply players in one set position but a interchange of the front players and offensive attacking play.

This is what I've been waiting for and what Dean Smith strategy is in attack. To have a that fluidity in front positions.

It's a totally different ball game now having Watkins and Traore as forwards in what they offer compared to last season.

Bringing in the final piece then would be a pacey winger would thus further allow greater options tactically both in game and specific matches as afford Grealish other positions than just the wide left.

Let's not be too hasty and understand the bigger picture here and remember how Smith likes to play and set up.

Bertrand can be gold in the front 3 system and certainly compliments the attack down the right hand side now too.

Matty Cash will be coming forward like you wouldn't believe . He's an extremely attacking right back. last season has the same number of shots as Alexander-Arnold the joint most by any defender in top 2 leagues

So Traore ability and threat as an inverted wide forward won't be lost in the grand plan as when he comes inside Cash is a very viable option on the overlap.

Just watch how it all come together. Can be very exciting.
Your'll see when they actually all start playing but this is exactly what Smith is setting up but also allows for change of tactics when it becomes predictable.
Given that BT is also unpredictable in going either way when in offensive play with the ball this will leave us salivating

See the picture of the signing in how he fits in and what his strengths are.

I see it already and I hope we can all enjoy seeing it bear fruits this coming season.

Up the Villa
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 19, 2020, 12:01:21 PM
It's surely a good sign that John Terry has seen this player up close at Chelsea, and worked with him (or I'm assuming he has).
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Mister E on September 19, 2020, 12:03:14 PM
Wikipedia reports that 15% of the fee goes back to Chelsea.
What with this, the fee for Drinky's stay with us and our honing of Tammy's skills, I hope Chelsea have a favour or two for us, in the form of a sale of L-Cheek to us or some other relevant asset.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 19, 2020, 12:04:33 PM
apparently he has a 1 Star weak foot on FIFA whatever that means
I assume he’s very one footed

This will help understand strengths and weaknesses far better
https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/PF3Z6PpPQU6guYWoDy5CHA/Show/Who-is-Bertrand-Traore-Strengths-and-weaknesses-of-new-Aston-Villa-signing
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
Can he play Monday?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2020, 12:07:20 PM
Can he play Monday?

In his interview he said he was glad the first game isn’t far away and he hoped to be involved, so I assume he can. My guess is he was registered yesterday.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2020, 12:07:27 PM
Quote
We're a strange lot at the Villa aren't we? The previous owner was selling off a car park to pay the taxman.Now we have owners who have literally saved the club from going bust. They spend £20 million on a player and people look for negatives.

The negative is that I think we've spent £17+ million on the wrong player. None of my French friends can understand this move, and it doesn't appear that the Villa scouting team been watching Ligue 1 matches recently.   
It's a great time to be a Villa fan. Savour it.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 19, 2020, 12:09:26 PM
It's surely a good sign that John Terry has seen this player up close at Chelsea, and worked with him (or I'm assuming he has).

Yes that's right
"He had some really good things to say," Traore said of Terry's transfer involvement. "He had a big part of this move to Villa.

"I knew John as a Chelsea legend when I was a kid from the academy. It's always something special when he gives you advice.

Also he knows AEG and Nakamba and spoke to them before signing up !
He's direct has pace and flair and hopefully can be in good form and consistency have a great attacking player for our system !

Definitely an upgrade exciting times
Up the Villa !
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Mister E on September 19, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
This will help understand strengths and weaknesses far better
https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/PF3Z6PpPQU6guYWoDy5CHA/Show/Who-is-Bertrand-Traore-Strengths-and-weaknesses-of-new-Aston-Villa-signing
So, according to this, we will have a very strong right side, with Cash and Bertrand. The left side currently looks like Targett and JG; a proven pairing if we want JG left rather than central. This leaves a gap in the middle unless we're expecting Hourihane or Nakamba to start.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 19, 2020, 12:29:20 PM
Are you saying we can't guarantee he's going to be a success?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Tebepaul on September 19, 2020, 12:37:53 PM
Watkins is a good signing. Martínez is a good signing. Cash has the potential to be a good signing. And we all want Traoré to be a success. But for anyone who has watched Lyon over the past few seasons, this transfer is a huge leap of faith.

Here's the opinion of French football journalist Jonathan Johnson, who doesn't have an axe to grind on this issue.

"Out of 10 jon what do u rate him?"
"In terms of what he can be, or how I feel about the deal? He can be as high as an 8/10, but has rarely shown the consistency to stay at that level. That is why this is a 5/10 or 6/10 maximum move. He is a erratic performer. A world beater 1 week, ghostly the next."
https://twitter.com/Jon_LeGossip/status/1307251797740978176 (https://twitter.com/Jon_LeGossip/status/1307251797740978176) 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: London Villan on September 19, 2020, 12:44:49 PM
Sounds like John Carew...
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2020, 12:48:57 PM
I'd settle for a world beater every other week.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 19, 2020, 01:00:07 PM
I'd settle for a world beater every other week.

Yep, I would too.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 01:01:24 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2020, 01:12:14 PM
He might be inconsistent but, like Carew, if he could do it every week we wouldn't get near him 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on September 19, 2020, 01:15:05 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy

Reads like a lovely poem. I liked the first stanza best.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: eamonn on September 19, 2020, 01:17:59 PM
Great paragraph usage tbf.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 01:22:11 PM
both to kind
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2020, 01:27:46 PM
He might be inconsistent but, like Carew, if he could do it every week we wouldn't get near him 

That’s the thing. I don’t quite get the expectations some have of them players we should be signing given how we stayed up at the last second and we were in the Championship the season before. We’ve been a non entity as a club the past 10 years. The better or best, most consistent players are not going to be available to us yet. We are signing players of the right age and plenty of upside. And next summer if all goes to plan this season we will buy again and likely from a slightly  higher tier.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 19, 2020, 01:37:17 PM
Yes ultimately he played in the Champions League semi last year. He’s played for some pretty decent sides too. I reckon he’s plenty good enough for us.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: DrGonzo on September 19, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
Even if he is just a faster version of Trez, at least he will be a faster version of Trez! I like a good random player signing it's more exciting than Baston, for sure.

Welcome Bertie, be awesome.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Bernie on September 19, 2020, 02:11:47 PM
Sounds like John Carew...
... even better as if you pronounce his name 'Traoree', you can work '... he's going to score two or three' into a song about him.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2020, 02:12:00 PM
Even if he is just a faster version of Trez, at least he will be a faster version of Trez! I like a good random player signing it's more exciting than Baston, for sure.

Welcome Bertie, be awesome.

Let's not weigh him down with too much expectation.

Welcome Bertie, don't be shit.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 19, 2020, 02:21:59 PM
Even if he is just a faster version of Trez, at least he will be a faster version of Trez! I like a good random player signing it's more exciting than Baston, for sure.

Welcome Bertie, be awesome.

Let's not weigh him down with too much expectation.

Welcome Bertie, don't be shit.

Ha ha that made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 19, 2020, 02:28:42 PM
Describes himself as striker and an attacker so possibly bought with an eye that he can go down the middle.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: oldtimernow on September 19, 2020, 02:31:20 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy

I thought we were signing a donkey when we got Peter Withe....

Shows how much I knew!!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2020, 02:43:06 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy
Of course people are entitled to have a view about players that the club are signing. But to say it's stupid that others take the view "give him chance first" is a bit rich. Aren't  they equally entitled to their opinion?You can call me a super optimist all day. When it comes to Aston Villa I'm proud to call myself a super optimist.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: paul_e on September 19, 2020, 02:48:52 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy
Of course people are entitled to have a view about players that the club are signing. But to say it's stupid that others take the view "give him chance first" is a bit rich. Aren't  they equally entitled to their opinion?You can call me a super optimist all day. When it comes to Aston Villa I'm proud to call myself a super optimist.

I don't think you have to be a super optimist to want to see how a guy with just short of a 1in3 career scoring record does in a Villa shirt before deciding we've overpaid because a handful of fans for his previous team think we have.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 19, 2020, 02:50:30 PM
I get excited at most transfers to be fair - I remember thinking Wayne Routledge was our right wing solution under MON.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: eamonn on September 19, 2020, 02:53:04 PM
Yes ultimately he played in the Champions League semi last year.

Last month? Think he was an unused sub. But a fair bit more top-level experience than most of our squad. And he was born the same week that Savo scored his first away goal for Villa at Blackburn so that's something too.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2020, 03:10:05 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy
Of course people are entitled to have a view about players that the club are signing. But to say it's stupid that others take the view "give him chance first" is a bit rich. Aren't  they equally entitled to their opinion?You can call me a super optimist all day. When it comes to Aston Villa I'm proud to call myself a super optimist.

I don't think you have to be a super optimist to want to see how a guy with just short of a 1in3 career scoring record does in a Villa shirt before deciding we've overpaid because a handful of fans for his previous team think we have.
We all want him to be great for the Villa. Let's hope he is.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 19, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
I have no strong view on him as I’ve never seen him but obviously hope he’s going to be ace

but if someone has doubts about the signing for whatever reasons they are allowed to say that
all this ‘give him a chance’ stuff us stupid
he’s going to get his chance and plenty of them

all the players we sign have histories on which we can evaluate slightly what we think they will be like
don’t be bashed down by the super optimists that are to scared to have a view until they’ve seen him play 30 games before they’ll commit
Because it don’t matter
Smith ain’t reading this stuff

I had a view on a Drinkwater before he kicked a ball for us
my view was obviously at odds to that of the management
but the lad still got his chance
as it happens I was right about that one but I’ve been wrong about loads more

if your not happy about the signing that’s fine to say so
No one should pretend otherwise, honesty is the best policy
Of course people are entitled to have a view about players that the club are signing. But to say it's stupid that others take the view "give him chance first" is a bit rich. Aren't  they equally entitled to their opinion?You can call me a super optimist all day. When it comes to Aston Villa I'm proud to call myself a super optimist.

Agree with this.
I never seen him play, so whilst others can take a more negative view on the signing and that’s up to them, I’d say it’s perfectly reasonable for me to say ‘give him a chance’. Also perfectly reasonable to see him play for us before forming an opinion.
That’ll be the super optimist in me then!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on September 19, 2020, 03:22:39 PM
Ooooohhh Bertie Traooooooooré

That fucking White Stripes song knows no bounds in football.

Maybe we could resurrect the "Amore: song we used for Beni Carbone
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: ktvillan on September 19, 2020, 03:23:25 PM

I thought we were signing a donkey when we got Peter Withe....

Shows how much I knew!!

I was going to say that based on his youtube highlights I'm a bit underwhelmed but not as much as when we signed Peter Withe to replace Andy Gray......I loved the taste of that humble pie.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2020, 03:37:31 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Matt C on September 19, 2020, 03:58:27 PM
Another key position addressed and by the looks of it, adds some sorely needed pace. Like of all of our signings so far he can improve the first eleven which is the caliber we needed. Four down, two to go.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Luffbralion on September 19, 2020, 04:03:30 PM


I thought we were signing a donkey when we got Peter Withe....

Shows how much I knew!!
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To my shame I used that very term when I heard we were spending £500k on a limited centre forward from Newcastle. Turned out to be the final piece in Ron's jigsaw and definitely amongst our best ever buys. So many others were the reverse ...  for example I was delighted by firstly Sasa Curcic and then Stan Collymore being signed under Sir Brian. You simply can't predict how players are going to perform and all transfers carry some risk. Do the business, Bertrand!
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2020, 04:27:05 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Memory failing right now, who were we linked with before we signed Peter Withe? Mick Ferguson rings a bell but I can't remember any others.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: four fornicholl on September 19, 2020, 04:30:07 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: enigma on September 19, 2020, 04:30:58 PM
Just read this on the BBC article on us signing Traore.

"while manager Dean Smith remains on the look-out for reinforcements the deal for Traore is likely to represent the end of the major deals in this window unless an unforeseen opportunity presents itself."

A deal for Rashica unlikely then?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2020, 04:34:23 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Memory failing right now, who were we linked with before we signed Peter Withe? Mick Ferguson rings a bell but I can't remember any others.

Hans Krankl and Bob Latchford.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2020, 04:55:50 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Memory failing right now, who were we linked with before we signed Peter Withe? Mick Ferguson rings a bell but I can't remember any others.

Hans Krankl and Bob Latchford.

The Hans Krankl rumours were a few years before, Dave when he was at Rapid Vienna, I can still picture the back page of the Evening Mail with the story. He was already at Barca when we brought in Withe. Bob Latchford sounds about right, his record at Everton was bloody good. This place would have gone into meltdown when we signed Withe.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 19, 2020, 05:19:52 PM
I'm another one who thought we were buying a totally underwhelming player when we signed Peter Withe.  It didn't take me long to realise I knew nothing.  I watched him a couple of times training at Bodymoor and a more professional attitude would have been very difficult to find.  He really ripped into the others both physically and verbally.  A tremendous player for Aston Villa and deserves his legendary status, I'd love to meet him and tell him so.
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Post by: colin69 on September 19, 2020, 05:27:01 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Dwight Yorke?
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: john e on September 19, 2020, 05:39:13 PM
seeing Gary Penrice in a pre season friendly/testimonial I thought he was going to go on to be a superstar

I think Kevin Richardson might have played in that same game as a new signing and i decided he was nothing special no more than average

Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2020, 05:41:23 PM
I'm another one who thought we were buying a totally underwhelming player when we signed Peter Withe.  It didn't take me long to realise I knew nothing.  I watched him a couple of times training at Bodymoor and a more professional attitude would have been very difficult to find.  He really ripped into the others both physically and verbally.  A tremendous player for Aston Villa and deserves his legendary status, I'd love to meet him and tell him so.

Agreed, Dave. Biggest surprise was how good he was technically, floating in the air to take the ball on his chest, cheeky little back heels, he was some player.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on September 19, 2020, 05:55:44 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Dwight Yorke?

Paul Mcgrath (spot the connection)
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 19, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Yorke, ten grand purchase, 12.6 mill sale.  Yorke for me.  Platt was a terrific player though.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 19, 2020, 06:43:24 PM
Platts runs into the box from deep, pinpoint passes from Sid to find him, happy days.

No sell on value, but 450k for God himself, gave me years of happiness watching him play and still proud that the man is a true villa legend
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: LeeB on September 19, 2020, 09:29:32 PM
God was the best signing ever.

I'm still yet to see a better defender, anywhere.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 19, 2020, 09:34:20 PM
The best signing in my lifetime was Peter Withe. We've had better players and arguably bigger bargains, but none that were as important. 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: ktvillan on September 19, 2020, 09:38:58 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Technically correct but I always kind of saw Geddis, like Terry Donovan,  as a bit of a stopgap - very useful backup during the championship campaign though.

As for the above, when you look at the rough diamonds he sourced, perhaps we should have made Sir Graham our chief scout.  You could probably add Crouchy to that list, not so great for us but a very successful England,  PL and CL player ultimately. 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 19, 2020, 09:47:36 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Dwight Yorke?

Paul Mcgrath (spot the connection)

Graham Taylor was a great talent spotter.

Although to balance it out - he also signed Ormondroyd and Callaghan.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: LeeB on September 19, 2020, 09:56:01 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Dwight Yorke?

Paul Mcgrath (spot the connection)

Graham Taylor was a great talent spotter.

Although to balance it out - he also signed Ormondroyd and Callaghan.

Ormondroyd was a regular starter in a team that finished second. Callaghan I'll give you.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 19, 2020, 10:14:22 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: olaftab on September 19, 2020, 10:19:10 PM
Welcome Bertie.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2020, 10:20:34 PM
Ormondroyd was ridiculed by everyone when we got him including our own fans. But for the time he was with us and certainly in the season we came second at times he was really excellent. The tactic at corners of him flicking on Sid’s pinpoint cross from Platt to attack was superb. And he scored some nice goals too as well as being the most unlikely left winger you can imagine.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 19, 2020, 10:32:41 PM
I remember being at a game early on after we signed him . He was having a mare and looked absolutely distraught to the point of tears .  From a throw in he turned and it hit the back of his head , felt so sorry for him .  Glad he managed to fight back he seemed a good lad
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Post by: robbo1874 on September 19, 2020, 10:40:32 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on September 19, 2020, 10:45:47 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Dwight Yorke?

Paul Mcgrath (spot the connection)

Graham Taylor was a great talent spotter.

Although to balance it out - he also signed Ormondroyd and Callaghan.

He took Sid back as well: Sid, McGrath, Yorke and Platt for under a million.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Rudy65 on September 19, 2020, 10:53:06 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 19, 2020, 11:19:33 PM
Dwight Yorke was an absolutely brilliant find/signing. Platt too was a shrewd bit of business. McGrath was a risk...it really was, but one that came off in bucket loads.  For me, Yorke and McGrath, there’s nothing between them from what they produced on the pitch. Off it, McGrath Wins it. Yorke has turned out to be a bit of a star studded tit. Platt just an ungrateful twat.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: robbo1874 on September 20, 2020, 12:54:00 AM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: robbo1874 on September 20, 2020, 12:59:46 AM
Anyway back on topic. I watched the interview with him on Villa TV. Didn’t seem to me that he’s entirely convinced he’s made the right move. Villa’s made a lot recently about signing players with the right personality, so hopefully I’m wrong on this. Might have still been trying to still get his head around it when they spoke to him. Welcome and good luck Bertie
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: enigma on September 20, 2020, 07:58:09 AM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game
It was Ian Olney that got a couple in that game, not Ormondroyd. I think he got a couple of assists though.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: The Edge on September 20, 2020, 08:07:49 AM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game
It was Ian Olney that got a couple in that game, not Ormondroyd. I think he got a couple of assists though.
Ahhh. Good old Olney the lonely.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: Big Ming on September 20, 2020, 08:28:35 AM
Dwight Yorke was an absolutely brilliant find/signing. Platt too was a shrewd bit of business. McGrath was a risk...it really was, but one that came off in bucket loads.  For me, Yorke and McGrath, there’s nothing between them from what they produced on the pitch. Off it, McGrath Wins it. Yorke has turned out to be a bit of a star studded tit. Platt just an ungrateful twat.
Whenever I saw Platt I thought I was seeing his reflection in the back of a spoon.

(Good footballer though).
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Post by: thick_mike on September 20, 2020, 08:30:10 AM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game

I bought every newspaper from the newsagent’s the following morning. One memorably said Ormondroyd played like “a modern day Puskás”.

I saw him getting into a mini metro in Brighouse a few years later. It was like watching someone work out how to get their flat pack kitchen back from ikea.
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Post by: PeterWithe on September 20, 2020, 09:23:13 AM
I saw him getting into a mini metro in Brighouse a few years later. It was like watching someone work out how to get their flat pack kitchen back from ikea.

What a marvelous turn of phrase. Good stuff.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 20, 2020, 10:36:37 AM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game
It was Ian Olney that got a couple in that game, not Ormondroyd. I think he got a couple of assists though.
Ahhh. Good old Olney the lonely.
Dum dum dum dubuyuwah
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 20, 2020, 11:09:12 AM
McGrath was the most unlike SGT signing ever.  I was amazed when he bought him.  But was rather glad he did.  That game against Manure the 3-0 on Boxing Day.  38000 people singing ‘thank you very much for Paul McGrath.’ 
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: john e on September 20, 2020, 11:13:24 AM
Ormandroyd was never going to be a world beater but it was impossible to dislike him
he did some good stuff, and gave everything in every game

I was at Spurs the night we went top of the league I’m sure Ormandroyd scored that night he had a great game
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 20, 2020, 11:21:04 AM
He did a first time cracker from outside the box.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 20, 2020, 11:25:04 AM


Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
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17m
VILLA. Gave Traore a major 65k-a-week deal. Helped in permit application. One of the factors considered is size of personal deal and where he sits in club's payroll. Big investment
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: four fornicholl on September 20, 2020, 11:33:03 AM
Really hope he does the business, but have this elephant in the room feeling he is plan B.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 20, 2020, 11:34:00 AM
Is 65k really that major these days (I mean obviously it's a shit-ton of money but in the crazy Premier League scheme of things)? I thought 50/60kish was fairly standard for a player coming from big clubs or who'd played internationally.

The young lad from Wigan who went to Fulham - Antonee Robinson was said to be on 60kish, and I think that's what the papers said Watkins had been given too.
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Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2020, 12:00:51 PM
Probably. I just hope we're not overloading the wage bill, we've been there before so many times. We over-spend on a player, he turns out shit and we're stuck with him for the duration of his contract.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 20, 2020, 12:07:01 PM
Probably. I just hope we're not overloading the wage bill, we've been there before so many times. We over-spend on a player, he turns out shit and we're stuck with him for the duration of his contract.

Yep.

The key is getting rid of those who aren't contributing to balance out the 'new' wages - the kind of players you're talking about who are just a drain on the wage budget.

From last year's budget:
Drinkwater's £60k - paid for Jack's wage increase.
Reina / Hogan's wages - probably equates to Watkins's wages
Bomb Lansbury, Jota, Nyland and Kalinic out to some poor unsuspecting fool and you're probably talking the sharp end of £150k per week off the wage bill without losing anyone who is going to be missed. That's probably Martinez, Cash and Traore's wages accounted for right there.
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Post by: dave shelley on September 20, 2020, 12:20:06 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game
It was Ian Olney that got a couple in that game, not Ormondroyd. I think he got a couple of assists though.
Ahhh. Good old Olney the lonely.
Dum dum dum dubuyuwah

Sorry CL you've definitely left a doo out of  dubuyuwah.
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Post by: tomd2103 on September 20, 2020, 12:25:57 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.
i liked ‘Sticks’ and thought as the cliche goes, he had a good touch for a big man. He did look comically awkward until You got used to seeing him, seemed at times to be playing in slow motion, like when you see giraffes running in nature programmes. I did wonder whether Taylor signing Peter Crouch was due to him having previously signed Ormondroyd. Always remember that bonfire night classic against Everton at VP. Think he got a couple in the 5-2 win.

6-2 I think. Ormondroyd was decent for a while on the left wing and then faded once GT left
6-2 you’re right - I realised the error when I saw the post go up, but couldn’t be arsed to change it. Did used to feel a bit sorry for him when even Villa supporters would be laughing at him! Cruel game

I bought every newspaper from the newsagent’s the following morning. One memorably said Ormondroyd played like “a modern day Puskás”.

I saw him getting into a mini metro in Brighouse a few years later. It was like watching someone work out how to get their flat pack kitchen back from ikea.

Pretty sure one of the characters in the film Brassed Off is named Ormondroyd after him.
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Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2020, 12:38:02 PM
Please stop long quoting.
Title: Re: Bertrand Traore - Signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 20, 2020, 12:41:44 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Technically correct but I always kind of saw Geddis, like Terry Donovan,  as a bit of a stopgap - very useful backup during the championship campaign though.

As for the above, when you look at the rough diamonds he sourced, perhaps we should have made Sir Graham our chief scout.  You could probably add Crouchy to that list, not so great for us but a very successful England,  PL and CL player ultimately. 

Anyone with any sense could see that Crouch was going to be a good player, but he was around at one of those times when any player signed by the manager had to be wrong, because everything the manager did was wrong, because everything at the club was wrong. 
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 20, 2020, 12:44:18 PM
Agree Crouch could and should have been a very good player for us.
O’Leary wasn’t it who binned him?
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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 12:48:18 PM
Point of order - Withe was bought to replace Geddis.

Technically correct but I always kind of saw Geddis, like Terry Donovan,  as a bit of a stopgap - very useful backup during the championship campaign though.

As for the above, when you look at the rough diamonds he sourced, perhaps we should have made Sir Graham our chief scout.  You could probably add Crouchy to that list, not so great for us but a very successful England,  PL and CL player ultimately. 

Anyone with any sense could see that Crouch was going to be a good player, but he was around at one of those times when any player signed by the manager had to be wrong, because everything the manager did was wrong, because everything at the club was wrong. 

That's true, Newcastle at at the very same point right now.

He was also unfortunate in that his return from Norwich, with his confidence restored, coincided with JPA's best form for us. I don't think he'd have been at the front of players to get shot of, but O'Leary had pennies to work with and an offer on the table for a player who wasn't first choice. Typically though, JPA wasn't anywhere near as good again, and Crouch's career then takes off at Southampton and 12 months down the line he's off to Liverpool for 4 times what they paid us.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 20, 2020, 12:58:31 PM
All in all it was a horrible time, and I don't think Sir Graham would have gone anywhere near the job if he'd known half of what was going on. There were splits all over the place, half a dozen players virtually on strike, revolting supporters and as history shows, we never take kindly to anyone who replaces a populist figure - which John Gregory certainly was. Crouch was poster boy for the new manager and as such never really had a chance. 
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Post by: maidstonevillain on September 20, 2020, 01:14:50 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.

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Post by: Proposition Joe on September 20, 2020, 01:25:50 PM
All in all it was a horrible time, and I don't think Sir Graham would have gone anywhere near the job if he'd known half of what was going on. There were splits all over the place, half a dozen players virtually on strike, revolting supporters and as history shows, we never take kindly to anyone who replaces a populist figure - which John Gregory certainly was. Crouch was poster boy for the new manager and as such never really had a chance. 

This is true.  There was also the impression that Taylor had replaced the "fans' signing" Angel with Crouch, as a harbinger of route one football instead of passing football, which also upset a lot of supporters.  I think the supporter base back then was as split as the dressing room you make out.
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Post by: Risso on September 20, 2020, 01:28:23 PM
In 02/03 Crouch didn't score a goal for us, so was loaned out to continue his development.  He then couldn't force his way into a regular spot ahead of JPA and Vassell who got 16 goals and 9 goals respectively.  I guess he probably wanted to leave at that point. 
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Post by: Goldie.7 on September 20, 2020, 01:34:46 PM
Probably. I just hope we're not overloading the wage bill, we've been there before so many times. We over-spend on a player, he turns out shit and we're stuck with him for the duration of his contract.
Bomb Lansbury, Jota, Nyland and Kalinic out to some poor unsuspecting fool and you're probably talking the sharp end of £150k per week off the wage bill without losing anyone who is going to be missed.

Name one club that's going to pay Lansbury over £2m in wages this season?
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 20, 2020, 01:49:14 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Pound for pound?

Dwight Yorke.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 20, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Probably. I just hope we're not overloading the wage bill, we've been there before so many times. We over-spend on a player, he turns out shit and we're stuck with him for the duration of his contract.
Bomb Lansbury, Jota, Nyland and Kalinic out to some poor unsuspecting fool and you're probably talking the sharp end of £150k per week off the wage bill without losing anyone who is going to be missed.

Name one club that's going to pay Lansbury over £2m in wages this season?

How on earth would I know who is or isn't interested in our players?

I wouldn't have thought any sensible human being would have considered spending actual money on ridding us of Scott Hogan either, but there we go.

The point still remains that the extra wages we are paying out this summer to new signings so far would be theoretically be balanced out by losing those four players. I didn't say it was going to happen. If anything it shows just how ridiculous our recruitment and contracting has been in the past.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 20, 2020, 01:57:45 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Pound for pound?

Dwight Yorke.

Good discussion but finding a kid in T&T while on a tour, getting him for essentially nothing, and that kid turning out to be one of the best top division players for us ever is a hell of a deal. That he also went on to immense success at Man U cements for me his place because it further highlighted how good Dwight was.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 20, 2020, 02:12:05 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.



Terrific insight into Graham Taylor's management, really enjoyed that. Thanks for posting.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on September 20, 2020, 02:17:01 PM
Gareth Barry has to be up there with our best ever signings. Nearly 11 years in the first team then sold for £12m.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on September 20, 2020, 04:05:38 PM
Ormondroyd certainly wasn't the worst player I ever saw down the Villa playing for us.  I liked him, a lot of skill for a big man.



Terrific insight into Graham Taylor's management, really enjoyed that. Thanks for posting.

Nice interview that, from what seems like a really lovely down to earth bloke, ‘keen as mustard’ 😊

I’ll always remember him being in the 89-90 side that could of, maybe should of won the league, galloping down the left wing, with Tony Daley, flying down the right, happy days those.
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Post by: john e on September 20, 2020, 04:12:24 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Pound for pound?

Dwight Yorke.

Good discussion but finding a kid in T&T while on a tour, getting him for essentially nothing, and that kid turning out to be one of the best top division players for us ever is a hell of a deal. That he also went on to immense success at Man U cements for me his place because it further highlighted how good Dwight was.

Yeah good old Doug
he was a proper football man who could spot a player even on his hols


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Post by: Mister E on September 20, 2020, 04:14:36 PM
Good discussion but finding a kid in T&T while on a tour, getting him for essentially nothing, and that kid turning out to be one of the best top division players for us ever is a hell of a deal. That he also went on to immense success at Man U cements for me his place because it further highlighted how good Dwight was.
Yeah good old Doug
he was a proper football man who could spot a player even on his hols
"Dwight's like a son to me"
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Post by: saunders_heroes on September 20, 2020, 05:00:11 PM
David Platt,pound for pound, was possibly our best ever signing.

Pound for pound?

Dwight Yorke.

Good discussion but finding a kid in T&T while on a tour, getting him for essentially nothing, and that kid turning out to be one of the best top division players for us ever is a hell of a deal. That he also went on to immense success at Man U cements for me his place because it further highlighted how good Dwight was.

Yorke was great but Platt was better.
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Post by: TaxDodger on September 20, 2020, 05:12:35 PM
I’d say Tammy Abraham should be in the conversation as our pound for pound best ever signing. We certainly wouldn’t have gone up that season without him.
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Post by: OCD on September 20, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
Best ever loan signing maybe.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
Very harsh on Gustavo Bartelt.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 20, 2020, 07:57:06 PM
I think for value that Alan Wright was a brilliant signing for £1m
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Post by: charlatan on September 20, 2020, 08:03:36 PM
Ugo went well for a £40,000 signing.
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 20, 2020, 08:12:22 PM
Mark Delaney wasn’t bad either
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 20, 2020, 08:13:22 PM
Considering we not only got good service as a player but also forms part of the back room staff now
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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 20, 2020, 08:29:31 PM
Tayls at 1.1m surely up there too,
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Post by: OCD on September 20, 2020, 08:54:06 PM
£2m for McGinn with how money has gone in recent years.
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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 08:57:16 PM
Tayls at 1.1m surely up there too,

I think he's unfairly criticised but I wouldn't want him at left back every week.

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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 20, 2020, 09:09:32 PM
Only one Tayls big boy.
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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 09:14:19 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.
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Post by: john e on September 20, 2020, 09:16:54 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Big Boy
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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 20, 2020, 09:17:06 PM
Wow, where did that come from.

Tayls is a Villa legend, shortening his name means nothing.

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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 09:18:27 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Big Boy

I thought we agreed to keep that to ourselves John.
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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 20, 2020, 09:21:37 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?
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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 09:47:04 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?

No, you plum, the equivalent would be calling them 'Staunts' or 'Pets or 'Ags'.

I need to clean myself now.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 20, 2020, 09:48:57 PM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?

No, you plum, the equivalent would be calling them 'Staunts' or 'Pets or 'Ags'.

I need to clean myself now.

How about trying to stop picking arguments?
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Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2020, 09:56:22 PM
Sorry Dave, but it's hardly bloody pistols at dawn is it?

Apologies to King Billy and his Zombie army.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 20, 2020, 10:02:29 PM
Sorry Dave, but it's hardly bloody pistols at dawn is it?

Apologies to King Billy and his Zombie army.

Behave.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 20, 2020, 10:06:20 PM
Is this still the Bertrand Traore thread?

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Post by: mallo on September 20, 2020, 10:24:46 PM
Is this still the Bertrand Traore thread?
Noted - AOB?

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Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2020, 10:51:26 PM
Lyon have a 15% sell-on clause. In a way, gives more confidence that he is a player who can grow to be a baller.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 09:12:01 AM
Looking forward to seeing Greals, Wattie, Bertie, Emzie, Cashy, Dougie, J Mac  all in action tonight.
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Post by: Mister E on September 21, 2020, 09:15:13 AM
Looking forward to seeing Greals, Wattie, Bertie, Emzie, Cashy, Dougie, J Mac  all in action tonight.
Hey, Eastie: How you doing?!!
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Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 09:17:08 AM
Lyon have a 15% sell-on clause. In a way, gives more confidence that he is a player who can grow to be a baller.

We should insist in clubs taking a cut of the losses we always seem to make!
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Post by: LeeB on September 21, 2020, 09:35:52 AM
Looking forward to seeing Greals, Wattie, Bertie, Emzie, Cashy, Dougie, J Mac  all in action tonight.

Grrrrr
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 09:51:39 AM
Haha
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 21, 2020, 09:55:13 AM
Looking forward to seeing Greals, Wattie, Bertie, Emzie, Cashy, Dougie, J Mac  all in action tonight.

Grrrrr


we can go shorter than that  ;) :D
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 21, 2020, 10:04:13 AM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?

No, you plum, the equivalent would be calling them 'Staunts' or 'Pets or 'Ags'.

I need to clean myself now.
I'd normally be with you on this kind of thing Lee, but I'm pretty sure Tayls has been a pretty common monicker for Ian Taylor over the years. 
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 21, 2020, 10:14:40 AM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?

No, you plum, the equivalent would be calling them 'Staunts' or 'Pets or 'Ags'.

I need to clean myself now.
I'd normally be with you on this kind of thing Lee, but I'm pretty sure Tayls has been a pretty common monicker for Ian Taylor over the years. 


I get more annoyed with pundits who refer to people like Gerard as Stevieeee and alike , ugh !
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Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 10:24:22 AM
I agree with Leebs.
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Post by: LeeB on September 21, 2020, 10:30:13 AM
Lyon have a 15% sell-on clause. In a way, gives more confidence that he is a player who can grow to be a baller.

We should insist in clubs taking a cut of the losses we always seem to make!

I was thinking about these sell on clauses, and those "if he makes x appearances it's another £2m" ones. If I was a player I wouldn't sign a contract unless they were all taken out, fuck not getting a game at some point down the line because the club are skint, or not getting a move because you're club are too tight to pay the club you left years ago.
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Post by: Risso on September 21, 2020, 10:59:29 AM
Lyon have a 15% sell-on clause. In a way, gives more confidence that he is a player who can grow to be a baller.

We should insist in clubs taking a cut of the losses we always seem to make!

I was thinking about these sell on clauses, and those "if he makes x appearances it's another £2m" ones. If I was a player I wouldn't sign a contract unless they were all taken out, fuck not getting a game at some point down the line because the club are skint, or not getting a move because you're club are too tight to pay the club you left years ago.

I don't care what aybody says, that was definitely the reason Curtis Davies's appearances stalled when it did.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 21, 2020, 11:23:23 AM
Lyon have a 15% sell-on clause. In a way, gives more confidence that he is a player who can grow to be a baller.

We should insist in clubs taking a cut of the losses we always seem to make!

I was thinking about these sell on clauses, and those "if he makes x appearances it's another £2m" ones. If I was a player I wouldn't sign a contract unless they were all taken out, fuck not getting a game at some point down the line because the club are skint, or not getting a move because you're club are too tight to pay the club you left years ago.

I don't care what aybody says, that was definitely the reason Curtis Davies's appearances stalled when it did.

Adama Traore was similar, appearance dried up just under a possible appearance fee payment.
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Post by: The Edge on September 21, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
If you mean 'Ian Taylor' then say 'Ian Taylor'. That 'Tayls' shit is cringeworthy and is the kind of thing the rags do with their players.

Did you pull up anyone for calling Staunton or Petrov “Stan”
Or Agbonlahor, “Gabby”, shall I continue?

No, you plum, the equivalent would be calling them 'Staunts' or 'Pets or 'Ags'.

I need to clean myself now.
I'd normally be with you on this kind of thing Lee, but I'm pretty sure Tayls has been a pretty common monicker for Ian Taylor over the years.
A mate of mine insisted on calling Gabby "Aggy" That used to piss everyone off. Come to think of it that's probably why he did it.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2020, 12:23:48 PM
Still enquirying is this still the Bertrand Traore thread?
I think  some have misread Traroe for furore
with this name nonsense.
I'll at least have the decency to tag our new signing.
Name Tag:
Bertie , Berts, BT , Beets, Trah Trah.

Such choices

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Post by: LeeB on September 21, 2020, 12:33:58 PM
Still enquirying is this still the Bertrand Traore thread?
I think  some have misread Traroe for furore
with this name nonsense.
I'll at least have the decency to tag our new signing.
Name Tag:
Bertie , Berts, BT , Beets, Trah Trah.

Such choices



Stop it. Stop it now.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2020, 12:40:33 PM
But can anyone tell if he's eligible to play / be part of the squad V Sheff Utd or do we wait Thursday at Bristol City ?
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 12:43:51 PM
I like BT.  It has got a ring to it.
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Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2020, 12:44:09 PM
Still enquirying is this still the Bertrand Traore thread?
I think  some have misread Traroe for furore
with this name nonsense.
I'll at least have the decency to tag our new signing.
Name Tag:
Bertie , Berts, BT , Beets, Trah Trah.

Such choices



Stop it. Stop it now.

I think you should be in the Martinez thread with that nickname.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2020, 12:45:02 PM
But can anyone tell if he's eligible to play / be part of the squad V Sheff Utd or do we wait Thursday at Bristol City ?


It was still awaiting international clearance on Saturday so I am going go guess it is a no.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2020, 12:48:29 PM
BGT
Berties Got Talents
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2020, 12:54:40 PM
But can anyone tell if he's eligible to play / be part of the squad V Sheff Utd or do we wait Thursday at Bristol City ?


It was still awaiting international clearance on Saturday so I am going go guess it is a no.
Why thank you.


I like BT.  It has got a ring to it.
And I like your BT joke. A man after my phone heart
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Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2020, 09:22:00 PM
His goal tonight was sublime l like the look of him.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2020, 09:22:46 PM
Looked good, got lucky with the mishit cross mind.
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Post by: eamonn on September 24, 2020, 09:22:59 PM
Pure impudence. Nice to know we have someone other than Jack who can score a goal like that.
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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 24, 2020, 09:24:19 PM
Welcome Berts, great start.
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Post by: algy on September 25, 2020, 06:53:42 AM
I have a feeling I'm going to love Bertie. Loads of clever little runs, quick passes, ... will undoubtedly be frustrating at times, but sublime at others.
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Post by: john e on September 25, 2020, 07:58:50 AM
I enjoyed his debut and have high hopes

(I’ve had those before though)
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Post by: LeeB on September 25, 2020, 08:59:25 AM
I enjoyed his debut and have high hopes

(I’ve had those before though)

I'm sorry I let you down pal.
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Post by: Fred Crump on September 25, 2020, 09:04:41 AM
I enjoyed his debut and have high hopes

(I’ve had those before though)

I'm sorry I let you down pal.
Never mind Big Boy, I thought you were great
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 25, 2020, 10:24:15 AM
well he is not Bolaise at least . Great debut . Another one of him on the other wing and we are looking good.
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Post by: manic-road on September 25, 2020, 10:27:20 AM
Lovely goal last night on debut, hope he hasa great season. I honestly can't remember the last time we had a great winger, hope he turns out to be just that.
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Post by: rooboy316 on September 25, 2020, 11:35:07 AM
Looked good, got lucky with the mishit cross mind.
I thought it was nailed on a mis hit cross, until I started reading this thread and no one else seemed to think so!
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Post by: chrisw1 on September 25, 2020, 11:45:01 AM
I think Terry said it was a cross in his interview with AVTV
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Post by: SashasGrandad on September 25, 2020, 11:56:34 AM
The goal was superb

The pass to set it up from Ramsey even better in my opinion
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Post by: Mister E on September 25, 2020, 12:41:03 PM
The goal was superb

The pass to set it up from Ramsey even better in my opinion
Indeed, the pass was class; the 'shot' was a crossing attempt in MHO.
Looked very, very clever, though!!
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Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2020, 12:50:37 PM
Not just the pass, Ramsey carried the ball about 20-30 yards before that and did really well to even get into the position to play the pass. It was a brilliant assist and a superb finish, goal of the season contender already for me.
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Post by: Axl Rose on September 25, 2020, 01:00:14 PM
Not just the pass, Ramsey carried the ball about 20-30 yards before that and did really well to even get into the position to play the pass. It was a brilliant assist and a superb finish, goal of the season contender already for me.

This. It was a lovely goal. Well done to both!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 25, 2020, 01:07:42 PM
I think he absolutely meant it. There was one player (I forget who) coming in but he took it first time perfectly with the keeper moving in the wrong direction. Was he lucky in the sense he took a spinning ball mid flight and dropped it over the keeper without breaking stride. I mean I suppose you have to have a little. But watching it a few times I have no doubt it was intended.
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Post by: WilliamStanding on September 25, 2020, 10:15:17 PM
100% meant it from Berts.

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Post by: Bad English on September 26, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
My French football-loving mates© all pout and shrug when you mention his name. One good game then vanishes for a bit seems to be the theme.

Not that I give a fuck what our baldy history teacher has to say. Or the PSG fan behind the bar at the local PMU café-bar.
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Post by: eamonn on September 26, 2020, 11:29:38 AM
Too right BE. Fuck'em and their nonchalance.
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Post by: eamonn on September 26, 2020, 11:32:43 AM
Lovely goal last night on debut, hope he hasa great season. I honestly can't remember the last time we had a great winger, hope he turns out to be just that.

Ashley Young?

Bert's beauty was probably our best didhemeanit Coca Cola Cup goal since Angel's at Bolton in the 2004 semi.
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Post by: Steve67 on September 26, 2020, 11:35:52 AM
I reckon he will be frustrating and great in equal measure but that's what wingers are like.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 26, 2020, 11:54:33 AM
If that goal wasn't meant then who the hell was he aiming for, given that there wasn't a Villa player within ten yards of where he put it?
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Post by: Zouch Villa on September 26, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
I reckon Bertie will be one of those players who will swing from relatively anonymous to game changing from one match to another, and right now I think I can live with that given how difficult we find it to break teams down doing the same thing over and over again.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on September 26, 2020, 12:06:28 PM
I reckon Bertie will be one of those players who will swing from relatively anonymous to game changing from one match to another, and right now I think I can live with that given how difficult we find it to break teams down doing the same thing over and over again.
like El Ghazi... but better?
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 26, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
Exactly.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 26, 2020, 01:39:47 PM
If that goal wasn't meant then who the hell was he aiming for, given that there wasn't a Villa player within ten yards of where he put it?

Agreed. He knew exactly what he was doing
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Post by: Drummond on September 27, 2020, 12:46:28 AM
If that goal wasn't meant then who the hell was he aiming for, given that there wasn't a Villa player within ten yards of where he put it?

He must be really shit to put in a cross like that....
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Post by: olaftab on September 27, 2020, 01:19:05 AM
Bert's beauty was probably our best didhemeanit Coca Cola Cup goal since Angel's at Bolton in the 2004 semi.
There is nothing at all didhemeanit about his goal. It was absolutely exactly  precisely what he wanted to do.
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Post by: themossman on September 27, 2020, 09:45:13 AM
I reckon Bertie will be one of those players who will swing from relatively anonymous to game changing from one match to another, and right now I think I can live with that given how difficult we find it to break teams down doing the same thing over and over again.
like El Ghazi... but better?

If we can successfully rotate them so we only get their good games then we’ll be unbeatable.
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Post by: eamonn on September 27, 2020, 10:41:22 AM
Bert's beauty was probably our best didhemeanit Coca Cola Cup goal since Angel's at Bolton in the 2004 semi.
There is nothing at all didhemeanit about his goal. It was absolutely exactly  precisely what he wanted to do.

I mean, I agree but just reflecting other views. I was a bit sad to read suggestions on here after the game that it was a mishit  or John Terry in his interview unsure whether it was a cross or a shot.
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Post by: algy on September 27, 2020, 12:12:01 PM
I'm quite happy for him to score as many mishit crosses as possible.
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Post by: eamonn on September 27, 2020, 01:13:42 PM
Misshapes, mistakes, mishits.
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Post by: amfy on September 27, 2020, 04:32:44 PM
My French football-loving mates© all pout and shrug when you mention his name. One good game then vanishes for a bit seems to be the theme.

Not that I give a fuck what our baldy history teacher has to say. Or the PSG fan behind the bar at the local PMU café-bar.

These are the same fans who were happy for John Carew to leave because he had no movement.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 28, 2020, 10:28:53 PM
This guy is class. I predict a great season and a major influence in our team.
Has a mahrez like ability !
Can fire us up the table with what he brings to the Villa party

Just like Trez influence  last season and performing or scoring in big matches this season its over to Traroe. 

Starting with a mesmerising game time performance next Sunday v Liverpool!
Up the Villa

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Post by: Villa Lew on September 29, 2020, 09:49:00 AM
Just couldn't understand why Dean only gave him only 10 mins game time, should have bought him after 60 minutes, as you say the bloke's class. It concerns me that Dean is once again gonna start with Trez on Sunday, which would make no sense at all.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 29, 2020, 09:49:53 AM
Why, did we lose?
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Post by: Drummond on September 29, 2020, 10:03:18 AM
Just couldn't understand why Dean only gave him only 10 mins game time, should have bought him after 60 minutes, as you say the bloke's class. It concerns me that Dean is once again gonna start with Trez on Sunday, which would make no sense at all.

Because he wanted Ramsey to play, and see how different the team was with him in it.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 29, 2020, 10:10:46 AM
Just couldn't understand why Dean only gave him only 10 mins game time, should have bought him after 60 minutes, as you say the bloke's class. It concerns me that Dean is once again gonna start with Trez on Sunday, which would make no sense at all.
It would make a lot of sense to me - we will need his tracking back and workrate against 'The Mighty Reds YNWA''s wingbacks and I'm not sure Traore will give us that just yet.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 29, 2020, 01:29:55 PM
Just couldn't understand why Dean only gave him only 10 mins game time, should have bought him after 60 minutes, as you say the bloke's class. It concerns me that Dean is once again gonna start with Trez on Sunday, which would make no sense at all.

You are creating an issue in your head that doesn’t exist.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 29, 2020, 01:48:03 PM
When you're winning three-nil but coming under pressure, you aren't going to bring on a player with half an hour to go just to give him some game time.
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Post by: rooboy316 on September 29, 2020, 02:19:38 PM
I suspect he’s also keeping Traore fresh for a start against Stoke. Trez, if he can work his bollocks off like last night, should start against Liverpool for his tracking back.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 29, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
I suspect he’s also keeping Traore fresh for a start against Stoke. Trez, if he can work his bollocks off like last night, should start against Liverpool for his tracking back.

Agree, Trez's workrate is superb
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 29, 2020, 03:25:28 PM
I suspect he’s also keeping Traore fresh for a start against Stoke. Trez, if he can work his bollocks off like last night, should start against Liverpool for his tracking back.

Elmo enters the reckoning  if playing that sort of game.
I much prefer Traore or Trez for the atatcking aspects but certainly can depend on Elmo too for a right side with Cash.
Plenty of good options now.
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Post by: JD on October 10, 2020, 07:30:55 AM
He scored the first today in a 3-0 win for his country.
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Post by: Steve67 on October 10, 2020, 09:24:33 AM
We are littered with internationals.  Great promotion/exposure for Aston Villa.
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Post by: kipeye on October 10, 2020, 10:28:08 AM
Its still too early to judge Berty for me. I wonder if he will be consistent and put a shift in when things are bad. No way of telling yet and he obviously  has the kind of talent we can really do with.
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Post by: rooboy316 on October 10, 2020, 10:44:18 AM
It’ll be exciting to watch him when he hits his straps. The chance when he was through on goal vs 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' was a good learning opportunity. In inferior leagues he can take that extra touch and put it into the net. In the top flight Vs James Milner, you don’t have the luxury of time. Glad it happened after we’d scored 6 or 7!
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Post by: richtheholtender on November 02, 2020, 10:25:25 PM
Any news on his injury?
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 02, 2020, 11:09:35 PM
Smith said his initial view was that it was unlikely to be too serious yesterday. Haven't heard anything since.
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Post by: in exile on November 03, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
Sky Sports News reported that he "is being monitored" - make of that what you will.
I hope we haven't got another ElGhazi on our hands. 
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 04, 2020, 12:54:45 AM
I'm mystified by your comment. Whatever AEG's faults may be, he hasn't missed many games due to fitness issues.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2020, 01:49:26 AM
Not that I agree with him in the slightest but I think he’s referring to bottle which was aimed at El Ghazi against Everton last season.
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Post by: in exile on November 04, 2020, 01:13:39 PM
Yep.
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Post by: brontebilly on November 05, 2020, 12:00:26 AM
AEG 'limping' off at Southampton was far worse.

Early impressions on Bert aren't positive I'm afraid, providing cover for Matt Cash certainly won't be his strength on the right wing. Maybe up top at times with Watkins shifting left or at 10. But with Jack on one side, we need more of a grafter on the right wing and that isn't Bert's game.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on November 05, 2020, 12:02:08 AM
AEG 'limping' off at Southampton was far worse.

Early impressions on Bert aren't positive I'm afraid, providing cover for Matt Cash certainly won't be his strength on the right wing. Maybe up top at times with Watkins shifting left or at 10. But with Jack on one side, we need more of a grafter on the right wing and that isn't Bert's game.

That's the spirit.
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Post by: Axl Rose on November 05, 2020, 12:31:34 AM
AEG 'limping' off at Southampton was far worse.

Early impressions on Bert aren't positive I'm afraid, providing cover for Matt Cash certainly won't be his strength on the right wing. Maybe up top at times with Watkins shifting left or at 10. But with Jack on one side, we need more of a grafter on the right wing and that isn't Bert's game.

I think he needs a little more time to get up to speed, play full matches, etc.
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Post by: Drummond on November 05, 2020, 12:59:41 AM
AEG 'limping' off at Southampton was far worse.

Early impressions on Bert aren't positive I'm afraid, providing cover for Matt Cash certainly won't be his strength on the right wing. Maybe up top at times with Watkins shifting left or at 10. But with Jack on one side, we need more of a grafter on the right wing and that isn't Bert's game.

Based on how many minutes playing time?
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 05, 2020, 01:12:30 AM
Fucking Hell. 😁
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 05, 2020, 01:19:00 AM
He's played about 80 minutes of league football for us, how much time do you need ffs!
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Post by: Clampy on November 05, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
Ridiculous.
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Post by: Axl Rose on November 05, 2020, 09:20:11 AM
You have to be a good player to score a goal like he scored at Bristol City.
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Post by: Lsvilla on November 05, 2020, 09:42:25 AM
I liked the way he got the ball on the turn about 30 yards from goal before being fouled for the free kick Ross put into the wall. I thought it showed he could play more central.
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Post by: OCD on November 05, 2020, 11:15:37 AM
Lyon started using him as a wing-back so he would have had to put plenty of work in to play that role.

I had forgotten that AEG did that at Southampton. It was quite pathetic and did make him look like someone who didn't have the stomach for a relegation battle.
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Post by: villabear on November 05, 2020, 11:29:02 AM
You have to be a good player to score a goal like he scored at Bristol City.

I’m still not sure he meant it. His celebration was very muted. I’d have been doing the full Mick Channon down the wing if I’d have scored that.
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Post by: Axl Rose on November 05, 2020, 11:33:19 AM
You have to be a good player to score a goal like he scored at Bristol City.

I’m still not sure he meant it. His celebration was very muted. I’d have been doing the full Mick Channon down the wing if I’d have scored that.

Haha. Fair enough. I'd have been fully naked, jumping into the Holte if I'd have scored a goal like that.
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Post by: Ian J on November 05, 2020, 01:11:30 PM
This is a joke right? I know some like to right players off after half a season but after a few cameo appearances?
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Post by: DrGonzo on November 05, 2020, 04:37:27 PM
Of course it's not a joke... this is a discussion forum.  It'd be very boring if we were all sensible and formed balanced opinions based upon evidence rather than jumping to conclusions because Villa have not played well for a couple of matches and a player left the pitch with a knock!
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Post by: colin69 on November 05, 2020, 04:59:16 PM
Far too early to make any snap decisions on Bert but I’ve been very impressed with Trez so far this season and was surprised when he was only on the bench against Saints.
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Post by: paul_e on November 05, 2020, 08:47:32 PM
Players going off with a knock often fit into one of 2 very clear categories, if the person commenting likes them then it's a sensible precaution to protect an important player. If they don't then the player is a fucking coward who isn't up for the fight and wanted an early shower. For further examples see comments regarding Targett a couple of times.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 05, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
Yes, we've seen this pattern before.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2020, 07:30:26 AM
Absolutely bonkers.
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Post by: Risso on November 06, 2020, 09:04:14 AM
Players going off with a knock often fit into one of 2 very clear categories, if the person commenting likes them then it's a sensible precaution to protect an important player. If they don't then the player is a fucking coward who isn't up for the fight and wanted an early shower. For further examples see comments regarding Targett a couple of times.

What if you like Targett but still think that the thought of playing aganst Traore terrifies him?!
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Post by: in exile on November 06, 2020, 10:51:30 AM
Players going off with a knock often fit into one of 2 very clear categories, if the person commenting likes them then it's a sensible precaution to protect an important player. If they don't then the player is a fucking coward who isn't up for the fight and wanted an early shower. For further examples see comments regarding Targett a couple of times.
People are entitled to their opinions, just as you are.
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Post by: paul_e on November 06, 2020, 01:21:26 PM
Players going off with a knock often fit into one of 2 very clear categories, if the person commenting likes them then it's a sensible precaution to protect an important player. If they don't then the player is a fucking coward who isn't up for the fight and wanted an early shower. For further examples see comments regarding Targett a couple of times.

What if you like Targett but still think that the thought of playing aganst Traore terrifies him?!

Then you've got nothing to do with the point. If, however, you think he was so terrified that he faked an injury then you don't really like him as much as you're pretending because, with no knowledge of what he was thinking or feeling, you're willing to label him as a coward instead of accepting that he was injured. That's exactly the point, if Jack went off in the same circumstances as Bertie did at no point would there be accusations of not being up for it thrown at him. That should be the same for every player unless someone at the club suggests otherwise.
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Post by: Risso on November 06, 2020, 01:25:28 PM
Christ, what a humourless, grey world you seem to inhabit.
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Post by: paul_e on November 06, 2020, 02:58:50 PM
Christ, what a humourless, grey world you seem to inhabit.

What the fuck is wrong with you, are you really so thin-skinned that you have to start insults because you've bene disagreed with? Dave W asked how old you were on another thread, I'm guessing about 6.
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Post by: Risso on November 06, 2020, 03:39:56 PM
That's just par for the course with you Paul, and absolutely everybody knows it.
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Post by: paul_e on November 06, 2020, 03:45:50 PM
That's just par for the course with you Paul, and absolutely everybody knows it.

You're not worth taking seriously, you spend half the time on here trying to goad people into arguing with you to feed your fragile ego and it's not worth my time so onto ignore you go.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on November 06, 2020, 07:52:08 PM
So is he fit or not for sunday?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2020, 08:11:53 PM
So is he fit or not for sunday?

no
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Post by: dave.woodhall on November 06, 2020, 08:41:01 PM
That's just par for the course with you Paul, and absolutely everybody knows it.

You're not worth taking seriously, you spend half the time on here trying to goad people into arguing with you to feed your fragile ego and it's not worth my time so onto ignore you go.

Both of you, stop arguing.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2020, 09:03:59 AM
So is he fit or not for sunday?
depends if you like him or not :)
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Post by: Allan C on November 07, 2020, 09:41:22 AM
Players going off with a knock often fit into one of 2 very clear categories, if the person commenting likes them then it's a sensible precaution to protect an important player. If they don't then the player is a fucking coward who isn't up for the fight and wanted an early shower. For further examples see comments regarding Targett a couple of times.
People are entitled to their opinions, just as you are.
But he’s right though!! Depends entirely on who the  player is
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2020, 09:58:12 AM
got to love a scape-goat down the Villa
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Post by: eamonn on November 07, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
Who, Paul E or Risso? Think the Holte are ambivalent to both tbh.
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Post by: RamboandBruno on November 07, 2020, 10:19:02 AM
I think players like Grealish and McGinn to a lesser extent have earned the right for a bit of leeway from the supporters. What I find a bit strange about this season so far, is that some of the new players, cash and barklay in particular, have received fairly heavy criticism already, and that’s after we’ve had a good start to the season relatively. And Traore, some people have decided he’s shit after a cameo when we’re 7-2 up and 10 minutes before getting injured. Maybe it’s just related to the trials of last season??
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Post by: Clampy on November 07, 2020, 10:29:27 AM
I think players like Grealish and McGinn to a lesser extent have earned the right for a bit of leeway from the supporters. What I find a bit strange about this season so far, is that some of the new players, cash and barklay in particular, have received fairly heavy criticism already, and that’s after we’ve had a good start to the season relatively. And Traore, some people have decided he’s shit after a cameo when we’re 7-2 up and 10 minutes before getting injured. Maybe it’s just related to the trials of last season??

It's just lack of patience.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 07, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
Dunno how anyone can judge Traore on his appearances so far.
There are some reasonable question marks over wether Cash is much of an upgrade on Guilbert.
The jury is still out on Barkley.
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Post by: paul_e on November 07, 2020, 10:49:41 AM
A lack of patience is a big part of it but I think there's more to it, the amount of money in the game has created an idea amongst fans that if something isn't working you can just keep throwing money at it and that leads to some fans creating snap judgements on players so they can talk about how we need to sign x, y and z in the next window. once a player has been written off as useless to the squad it takes months of solid performances for them to turn it around.
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Post by: OCD on November 07, 2020, 11:33:06 AM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.
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Post by: colin69 on November 07, 2020, 03:53:47 PM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.

This.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 07, 2020, 05:33:41 PM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.

Yep. It’s why people should also avoid writing off Wesley.
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Post by: darren woolley on November 07, 2020, 06:04:02 PM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.

Totally agree with you.
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Post by: brontebilly on November 07, 2020, 07:07:25 PM
My concerns are more about Traore's suitability for the role he seems to have been bought for (right wing but a lot expected without the ball in terms of covering the right back). Not 'writing him off' or anything else.
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Post by: Risso on November 07, 2020, 07:31:11 PM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.

Yep. It’s why people should also avoid writing off Wesley.

What about Drinkwater, McCormack and Hogan?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2020, 07:42:11 PM
Instant gratification has become a part of society too so fans will expect players to hit the grounds running. The changes we're seeing in Konsa, Luiz and now Trezeguet should give people reason to let things play out even if a player wasn't an instant hit.

Yep. It’s why people should also avoid writing off Wesley.

What about Drinkwater, McCormack and Hogan?
and Balaban
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 07, 2020, 11:59:39 PM
All of the above-named (represses a shudder) had plenty of time and opportunities to show what they could do.

Traore hasn't, has he?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2020, 02:10:31 AM
Reading some of the posts I hope we don’t give up on this Traore as we did the last one
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 08, 2020, 07:17:50 AM
All of the above-named (represses a shudder) had plenty of time and opportunities to show what they could do.

Traore hasn't, has he?
Nope.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 16, 2020, 01:52:31 PM
In the Burkina Faso starting XI today, so presumably he is back from his injury. Hurrah.
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Post by: eric woolban woolban on November 16, 2020, 03:44:11 PM
It looks like he played the full ninety too. The only Traore to do so.
There are four Traore's in the squad. Three started and one came on.
It ended nil nil.
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Post by: algy on November 16, 2020, 05:36:45 PM
It looks like he played the full ninety too. The only Traore to do so.
There are four Traore's in the squad. Three started and one came on.
It ended nil nil.
Should take a leaf out of Marv's parents' book. Rename himself "Best Traore"
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 16, 2020, 05:51:09 PM
It looks like he played the full ninety too. The only Traore to do so.
There are four Traore's in the squad. Three started and one came on.
It ended nil nil.

One of them is his brother.
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Post by: Damo70 on November 16, 2020, 06:07:48 PM
I think he is going to be a valuable signing for us.
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Post by: DrGonzo on November 17, 2020, 07:04:02 PM
I think he is going to be a valuable signing for us.

36 pages to finally recieve unequivocal support!!  However, I don't believe you can really judge him yet, he may turn out to be utter rubbish ;P
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Post by: frank black on November 17, 2020, 09:29:06 PM
I think he is going to be a valuable signing for us.

I don’t
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 17, 2020, 09:33:26 PM
I don’t know whether he will be valuable or not in the end. The only thing I do know though is that it’s way too early to judge.
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Post by: frank black on November 17, 2020, 09:46:34 PM
Reading some of the posts I hope we don’t give up on this Traore as we did the last one

On that subject, anyone else noticed how “off the boil” Adama has been this season. Been sat on the bench and really lethargic when coming off it. Doesn’t look entirely happy at Wolves right now.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 17, 2020, 10:34:05 PM
Reading some of the posts I hope we don’t give up on this Traore as we did the last one

On that subject, anyone else noticed how “off the boil” Adama has been this season. Been sat on the bench and really lethargic when coming off it. Doesn’t look entirely happy at Wolves right now.

I've wondered what it might do to my self esteem if other people decided I needed greasing up in order to be effective.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2020, 06:13:22 PM
Great set piece delivery for the goal. Other than that looked short of match fitness, perhaps unsurprisingly. Hopefully as he gets fitter he’ll be much sharper and precise.
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Post by: Risso on November 21, 2020, 06:30:22 PM
Good ball in for the goal, but other than that he was shit. Never once tried to beat a Brighton player. At least El Ghazi tries to do that, he’s just not very good at it.
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Post by: CT on November 21, 2020, 06:35:57 PM
Not convinced at all yet.

With the amount of free kicks and corners on offer, Conor was the one to bring on for me. I realise Traore assisted with that free kick, but most were very ordinary.

Hopefully he’ll get better.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on November 21, 2020, 08:29:41 PM
He's VERY one-footed, isn't he?
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 21, 2020, 08:57:35 PM
He's VERY one-footed, isn't he?

Yep. And, needs to look up. I think it was Keown who said that he needs to think about the team rather than his own game.
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Post by: eamonn on November 21, 2020, 08:59:48 PM
Was he leggy after travelling back from international duty? Dean said we had three players coming back from Africa, two from South America as well as the Home Nations/EIRE contingent. But he didn't want to use it as an excuse as it was the same for every club ...hmm, was it really the same for Brighton?
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Post by: frank black on November 21, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
He's VERY one-footed, isn't he?

Like a flamingo going to sleep isn’t he. His FIFA right foot rating is the lowest possible  1 star so my son informed me.
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Post by: Risso on November 21, 2020, 11:31:49 PM
Every single time he got the ball he seemed to want to lay it off to somebody behind him.  A tactic that just served to give Brighton more time to organise their defence.  We actually looked a bit more threatening when El Ghazi came on. I think a few games for the stiffs would probably do Traore some good.
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Post by: Luke8 on November 22, 2020, 08:28:49 AM
Was he leggy after travelling back from international duty? Dean said we had three players coming back from Africa, two from South America as well as the Home Nations/EIRE contingent. But he didn't want to use it as an excuse as it was the same for every club ...hmm, was it really the same for Brighton?

He has barely played any football in the last six months, maybe even longer, so perhaps under stable that he will take a bit of time to get up to speed.

I think he meant it as that is something  all good teams have to deal with. Did look noticeable in the last half hour that we had six/seven players on the pitch that had been on international duty while Brighton had none.
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Post by: Clampy on November 22, 2020, 05:16:07 PM
Other than the goal in the cup, he hasn't overly impressed me as yet but its early days. He's probably another one we need to have bit more patience with.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on November 22, 2020, 05:21:50 PM
agreed - his had a very stop-start beginning to his career here - with getting injured and the international breaks etc.

I think he's firmly the 12th man at the moment.
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