Wasn't there an interview with Guilbert mid-season where he spoke of his isolation in England? Perhaps it's him who's off, though I hope not.
Konsa being played at right back was a warning sign that we weren't happy with our options at right back. I think a lot of our pre-lockdown defensive errors were down to positional naivety.I agree, for all his sprinting forwards & backwards Guilbert was defensively naive. He wasn't alone in that but for me was the main culprit.
Konsa being played at right back was a warning sign that we weren't happy with our options at right back. I think a lot of our pre-lockdown defensive errors were down to positional naivety.I agree, for all his sprinting forwards & backwards Guilbert was defensively naive. He wasn't alone in that but for me was the main culprit.
Can he defend?
Targett being caught out of position was an even bigger problem.Konsa being played at right back was a warning sign that we weren't happy with our options at right back. I think a lot of our pre-lockdown defensive errors were down to positional naivety.I agree, for all his sprinting forwards & backwards Guilbert was defensively naive. He wasn't alone in that but for me was the main culprit.
Can he defend?
From what I've read, his best strength. The boy loves a tackle.
Sorry where has this been reported?
I think this is a two finger salute to Susso signing of Guilbert.
And Smith bringing in someone of his own signing.
I like Guilbert.
I like Guilbert.
I like Guilbert.
Yep fully agree.
I like Guilbert.
Yep fully agree.
I will add my name to this, Guilbert is a good player
Fifthed. edit. sixthI like Guilbert.
Yep fully agree.
I will add my name to this, Guilbert is a good player
FifthedI like Guilbert.
Yep fully agree.
I will add my name to this, Guilbert is a good player
Fifthed. edit. sixthI like Guilbert.
Yep fully agree.
I will add my name to this, Guilbert is a good player
I like Guilbert.
I do too. For £5m he was a steal. Guilbert and Cash (and possibly still AEH) would be a very good set of right back/right wing back options and would probably both get a decent amount of games.
I hope this doesn't mean Guilbert is off, as he'll be an absolutely brilliant right back in years to come.I hope not too.
Great name, sounds like he should be corner forward for Cork's hurlers.
Surprised it's being covered in the Big Apple. ;)We're everywhere! ;-)
I like Guilbert too.
Having him and Cash means we have quality x 2 at RB...and Cash could even play a bit further forward, says my Forest supporting mate.
Surprised it's being covered in the Big Apple. ;)
Surprised it's being covered in the Big Apple. ;)
I was in Newark Airport in 2003 and recall a huge Bolton Wanderers advertisement billboard. Very odd.
Great name, sounds like he should be corner forward for Cork's hurlers.
If this happens I can see Cash and Guilbert being a very dynamic pair on the right for us.
Matty Cash poised for medical. £16m - John Percy.
Bit rich innit?Doesn't look like we offloaded any deadwood to them, either (Lansbury, Jota, Nyland?)
Bit rich innit?Doesn't look like we offloaded any deadwood to them, either (Lansbury, Jota, Nyland?)
Bit rich innit?
Aston Villa have agreed a £14m deal + £2m in potential add-ons for Matty Cash
I thought we didn't start new threads until the deal is confirmed.... You seem a bit keen about Mr Cash Ads...
I hope he's worth it? £14m-16m out of the budget plus wages is a lot to spend on what appears to me a non-priority position.
I hope he's worth it? £14m-16m out of the budget plus wages is a lot to spend on what appears to me a non-priority position.
The whole cheese gone off brie story for cash makes sense.
What we are saying there is one right back out one right back in
Well Brie has left by non cash transfer and Cash has arrived.
The simple bit here is both are right backs.
Both have pace though Cash is a seemingly worthwhile upgrade to this position.
And I have a hunch that because Guilbert was a Suso signing Smith has now taken upon himself to oust him.
I think Guilbert was the first signing under Suso and maybe the business of Fred being brought then loanded back not arriving till the end of season was a early sign of the meddling by Suso.
We had Hutton , Bree and Elmo back then hardly short.
At the same time Deano was pushing for Mings.
Anyway I think Cash is decent level and ability and signing hopefully inspired.
Very hopeful he'll be brought on and add a decent attacking thrust.
And really it's just great to have a new player on board.
Exciting times.
from what i've seen of him, he's a lot better going forward than defensively, but has bags of energy.
could see us going 3 in central defence, and playing targett and cash as wing backs.
I also wonder if we see him in other positions - winger, left back, maybe even midfield?
Sabri should get a lot of credit for this sale as to be fair he has helped turn Cash from an average midfielder to a top class wing back
True. Start of last season we were all freaking out when Tendy and Jenks were injured and we "had no right back"...
I also wonder if we see him in other positions - winger, left back, maybe even midfield?
From a Forest forum:QuoteSabri should get a lot of credit for this sale as to be fair he has helped turn Cash from an average midfielder to a top class wing backQuoteTrue. Start of last season we were all freaking out when Tendy and Jenks were injured and we "had no right back"...
Let's not go all MON, eh Monty? ;)
We've signed a player that we didn't need. Excellent business, if I may say so.
We've signed a player that we didn't need. Excellent business, if I may say so.Well I'm happy with it, I'm surprised you're not though.
We've signed a player that we didn't need. Excellent business, if I may say so.
Why don't you think we need him?
As much as I like Guilbert, as a bloke and (on his day) a player, I am starting to wonder if he's a highlights player.
We've signed a player that we didn't need. Excellent business, if I may say so.
Why don't you think we need him?
AEM was a regular in much heralded defensive improvement after the break. Gulibert also popped up again towards end of the season and helped keep the Arsenal attackers quiet.
I think Cash will be similar to Konsa. Will come in and play a few games at the start and be hit and miss and then be taken out for AEM. Hopefully will then look better when he then comes back into the team.
I watched a fair bit of Forest last season and they were a very defensively rigid team so interested how he adapts at a high level in a team who are more open going forward.
Hopefully he's a better one v one defender than Targett is.
It's hard to judge signings in isolation, as we need to see the total business we do by the end of the window to properly judge it, but it does seem a slightly strange first purchase, given that other areas need more urgent strengthening. Still, he seems highly regarded and hopefully he's just the first of a few to come in.
As much as I like Guilbert, as a bloke and (on his day) a player, I am starting to wonder if he's a highlights player.
I don't really think that's a fair thing to say. He had games where he looked very good, and then like everybody else in the squad, he had games where he was poor. I think once the centre backs and the keeper situation was less disasterous, the whole tam looked better, including the full backs.
As much as I like Guilbert, as a bloke and (on his day) a player, I am starting to wonder if he's a highlights player.
I don't really think that's a fair thing to say. He had games where he looked very good, and then like everybody else in the squad, he had games where he was poor. I think once the centre backs and the keeper situation was less disasterous, the whole tam looked better, including the full backs.
It probably is harsh, I hope it isn't true.
He's had some great games (Arsenal etc.) I guess when I've watched some of his games back I've found myself wondering if the stand out bits of his games (speed overlapping, last ditch tackling, tenacity) cover up for the fact he's not a great attacking fullback or a good defender.
It's bit conspicuous that he didn't get a run all season, just wondering how Smith sees things.
We've signed a player that we didn't need. Excellent business, if I may say so.
Why don't you think we need him?
AEM was a regular in much heralded defensive improvement after the break. Gulibert also popped up again towards end of the season and helped keep the Arsenal attackers quiet.
I think Cash will be similar to Konsa. Will come in and play a few games at the start and be hit and miss and then be taken out for AEM. Hopefully will then look better when he then comes back into the team.
I watched a fair bit of Forest last season and they were a very defensively rigid team so interested how he adapts at a high level in a team who are more open going forward.
Hopefully he's a better one v one defender than Targett is.
So are you saying that's the reason why goldie.7 doesn't think we need him? He's obviously a different player to Konsa, who is a CB who covered RB. Cash is a RM, RWB, RB and perhaps we'll play a combination.
Given Elmo's age, he won't last forever and Cash is a good prospect who should grow with the squad.
As much as I like Guilbert, as a bloke and (on his day) a player, I am starting to wonder if he's a highlights player.
I don't really think that's a fair thing to say. He had games where he looked very good, and then like everybody else in the squad, he had games where he was poor. I think once the centre backs and the keeper situation was less disasterous, the whole tam looked better, including the full backs.
It probably is harsh, I hope it isn't true.
He's had some great games (Arsenal etc.) I guess when I've watched some of his games back I've found myself wondering if the stand out bits of his games (speed overlapping, last ditch tackling, tenacity) cover up for the fact he's not a great attacking fullback or a good defender.
It's bit conspicuous that he didn't get a run all season, just wondering how Smith sees things.
As much as I like Guilbert, as a bloke and (on his day) a player, I am starting to wonder if he's a highlights player.
I don't really think that's a fair thing to say. He had games where he looked very good, and then like everybody else in the squad, he had games where he was poor. I think once the centre backs and the keeper situation was less disasterous, the whole tam looked better, including the full backs.
It probably is harsh, I hope it isn't true.
He's had some great games (Arsenal etc.) I guess when I've watched some of his games back I've found myself wondering if the stand out bits of his games (speed overlapping, last ditch tackling, tenacity) cover up for the fact he's not a great attacking fullback or a good defender.
It's bit conspicuous that he didn't get a run all season, just wondering how Smith sees things.
I think it's that he had a player like Elmo who he prpbably saw as a bit more reliable, then for a few games, Konsa who he knows of old. There's certainly enough there to see he can be a very good player though and so I hope the Cash signing doesn't mean he's off.
Gary Brazil is Forests Academy Manager. Still a classy club Forest in my opinion.
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Mixture of emotions for the Academy today. Excited for and proud of Matty’s progress throughout his time at the Club. Saddened to lose a lovely human being and someone who has been a wonderful ambassador and embodies everything strong in our Academy. All the very best Cashy 👍👍
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Although this was also tweeted. Hopefully a better success than these!
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Cash - £16m
Appiah - £8m
Brereton - £7m
Osborn - £3.5m
Burke - £13m
Close to £50m in sales of academy graduates in the last few seasons with hundreds of first team appearances between them. Incredible achievement. #NFFC
Although this was also tweeted. Hopefully a better success than these!
Gary Brazil Retweeted
James Bolton
@Bolton0301
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Cash - £16m
Appiah - £8m
Brereton - £7m
Osborn - £3.5m
Burke - £13m
Close to £50m in sales of academy graduates in the last few seasons with hundreds of first team appearances between them. Incredible achievement. #NFFC
What happened to Burke he had great potential didn’t he ?
Wasn't he close to joining AC Milan in January? Or was that the lad at Wigan.
Hope Cash first appears in the third kit as ......... wait for it......
The man in black.
Have been pondering and now think signing swift and cash would be making a fast buck for reading and Forrest.Literally.
When we play away the latter will be our Man in Black. Literally. :)
I’ve just noticed he only has one year left on his deal at Forest so the fee is rather steep.
I hope we get this over the line asap.
At least we aren't getting Cash for Grealish.Not Dalot of Cash
As much as I like Guilbert, as a bloke and (on his day) a player, I am starting to wonder if he's a highlights player.
I don't really think that's a fair thing to say. He had games where he looked very good, and then like everybody else in the squad, he had games where he was poor. I think once the centre backs and the keeper situation was less disasterous, the whole tam looked better, including the full backs.
It probably is harsh, I hope it isn't true.
He's had some great games (Arsenal etc.) I guess when I've watched some of his games back I've found myself wondering if the stand out bits of his games (speed overlapping, last ditch tackling, tenacity) cover up for the fact he's not a great attacking fullback or a good defender.
It's bit conspicuous that he didn't get a run all season, just wondering how Smith sees things.
At least we aren't getting Cash for Grealish.You should go over to the Jokes thread. Oh you have already.
Your'll see. I'm very good with hunches.
Don’t see us paying 14 mill for a full back not to play him as first choice. I like Guilbert too, but think the intention will be for him to be back up to cash unless Smith doesn’t fancy him.
As far fetched as it sounds there may actually be something in Smith and Suso signings. Konsa, Mings, Targett clearly Smith signings and seemingly areas of the team we’re not looking at strengthening.
Guilbert, Nakamba, Trez, Wes, all Suso signings and all the areas of the pitch we are looking at buying ‘upgrades’
Maybe Smith is trying to get his own men in.
Guilbert's form tailed off? Seriously?
Prove that Suso signed Guilbert.
Justify it.
I agree that Elmo is ace but his time might be up for us.
Guilbert's form tailed off? Seriously?
Prove that Suso signed Guilbert.
Justify it.
I agree that Elmo is ace but his time might be up for us.
Really do I have to. Thought you know I'm not for speculative and wild assumptions !
When Suso left Frederic Guilbert via social media, so that's public evidence, thanked him for giving him the ‘opportunity to play in the Premier League’
Also Smith said upon signing of Freddie: “He’s a young player who was highlighted to us by our French scouting team as well as Suso (Villa's sporting director Jesus Garcia Pitarch).
Then Smith checked him out.
So clearly he's more to do with the old regime of Suso and the whole newtork of some Franco - Belgian accord !!
Is that because there’s a story in L’Equipe about him leaving us?
Guilbert's form tailed off? Seriously?
Prove that Suso signed Guilbert.
Justify it.
I agree that Elmo is ace but his time might be up for us.
Really do I have to. Thought you know I'm not for speculative and wild assumptions !
When Suso left Frederic Guilbert via social media, so that's public evidence, thanked him for giving him the ‘opportunity to play in the Premier League’
Also Smith said upon signing of Freddie: “He’s a young player who was highlighted to us by our French scouting team as well as Suso (Villa's sporting director Jesus Garcia Pitarch).
Then Smith checked him out.
So clearly he's more to do with the old regime of Suso and the whole newtork of some Franco - Belgian accord !!
Is that because there’s a story in L’Equipe about him leaving us?
See..
I made my hunches way before this news report as far as I know.
My time stamp was early this afternoon
Yet I have been thinking that some of Suso signings will be ousted under this new Nordic fellow.
Ignore if you don't like Vill i an's attitude. Smile if you do. Just don't gang up.
Ignore if you don't like Vill i an's attitude. Smile if you do. Just don't gang up.
Well said.
It could also well be a deliberate decision to have two types of fullback as options - Cash / Targett more attacking and could play as wingbacks, Guilbert / Taylor (or hopefully Taylor's replacement) more defensive. There's plenty of games in a season for both to get enough starts.That's how i see it, Cash as a replacement for Elmo in that sense.
Ignore if you don't like Vill i an's attitude. Smile if you do. Just don't gang up.
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=61196.0Ignore if you don't like Vill i an's attitude. Smile if you do. Just don't gang up.
Easier said than done.
Can't you ignore the 'ganging up'? (Which is actually just people taking issue/disagreeing with what's being said)
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=61196.0Ignore if you don't like Vill i an's attitude. Smile if you do. Just don't gang up.
Easier said than done.
Can't you ignore the 'ganging up'? (Which is actually just people taking issue/disagreeing with what's being said)
It could also well be a deliberate decision to have two types of fullback as options - Cash / Targett more attacking and could play as wingbacks, Guilbert / Taylor (or hopefully Taylor's replacement) more defensive. There's plenty of games in a season for both to get enough starts.That's how i see it, Cash as a replacement for Elmo in that sense.
It could also well be a deliberate decision to have two types of fullback as options - Cash / Targett more attacking and could play as wingbacks, Guilbert / Taylor (or hopefully Taylor's replacement) more defensive. There's plenty of games in a season for both to get enough starts.That's how i see it, Cash as a replacement for Elmo in that sense.
This is my thinking as well. Wouldn't be surprised to see Cash being played further up the field in front of Freddie in certain games. I'm happy with the signing!
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=61196.0Ignore if you don't like Vill i an's attitude. Smile if you do. Just don't gang up.
Easier said than done.
Can't you ignore the 'ganging up'? (Which is actually just people taking issue/disagreeing with what's being said)
Nice one. Think it is a position we needed to strengthen so good stuff.That's your wishlist after last seasn - rightback, leftback & striker?
Need a replacement LB and Striker.
Goal keeper ,midfieder/left back and 2 players who are a striker and wing-wide forward .
So 4 signings more and 5 in total.
To me any more is too much upheaval at this time
I like 5 but perhaps be 4 signings in total
I think it's my use of words that gets misunderstood. And then the tone sounds like what I say on Guilbert is irrevocable. Because how I press he point on things.
It's funny really as I feel I read many who write subjective , universal thinking posts perhaps thinking they are being objective (or not) whereas my subjective ideas sometimes objective are either whole heartedly disagreed upon or rightly applauded as an insightful or a considered perceptive point that hadn't been raised
I will look to use better language to make my points , discuss and state in a style that sounds more subjective and be more restricted in shining moral compass too. So as not to be misunderstood or sound so universal.
That why I tried to use the word hunches but maybe that is wrong word?
Finally I'll leave it with Dean Smith comments which at least is something that is perhaps universal and not up for debate as we can all agree on this:
"Nobody is satisfied with finishing 17th in the league – owners, supporters, players and coaching staff. We need to improve the squad. We improved after the lockdown and Project Restart and we need to improve again because we don’t want another season of struggle.”
We all friends here. Just differing thoughts but sorry if I was abrasives or writing in illfit manners.
Up the Villa !!
And after becoming the club’s first signing of the summer, Cash couldn’t hold back his delight at penning a deal at Villa Park.
He said: “My agent rang me and said that Villa were interested, and immediately it was the place I wanted to come to. I said, ‘don’t even worry about anywhere else, I want to come here and play’.
What is going on with that hair?Big fan of the three stooges.
What is going on with that hair?
What is going on with that hair?
Looks like one of the reasons he was so sure he wanted to come to us was that he's styled himself after Jack.
But you're right, we're all mates .....
Shirt stretching time. Welcome Matty.
(https://i.ibb.co/rtXnVv9/Matty-Cash1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rtXnVv9)
Nice one. Think it is a position we needed to strengthen so good stuff.That's your wishlist after last seasn - rightback, leftback & striker?
Need a replacement LB and Striker.
I'd have thought wingers and striker were our absolute priorities, then a solid midfielder. Fullbacks were more a nice to have but not a key as the forward options.Nice one. Think it is a position we needed to strengthen so good stuff.That's your wishlist after last seasn - rightback, leftback & striker?
Need a replacement LB and Striker.
That is the highest priority list. A wish list is Messi, Van Dijk and MBappe.
LB Taylor is nowhere near good enough anymore and Targett is a good back up option at best. Striker is a must.
Are there higher priorities currently? There are certainly other areas to improve for sure.
Shirt stretching time. Welcome Matty.
(https://i.ibb.co/rtXnVv9/Matty-Cash1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rtXnVv9)
£16m to resign O’Hare?!
"Half time music brought to you by Andy Cash Records"
This is of great interest to me..
"Nottingham Forest defender Matty Cash has spoken about his international ambitions, having discovered he is eligible to represent Poland. The 22-year-old has been one of the standout stars for the Reds this season, in a new right-back role.
It has seen him catch the eye of other clubs, as well as the Polish national team - with scouts reportedly attending a number of Forest matches.
Slough-born Cash qualifies to play for the country through his grandmother, and says he would love to get a call-up."
This is of great interest to me..
"Nottingham Forest defender Matty Cash has spoken about his international ambitions, having discovered he is eligible to represent Poland. The 22-year-old has been one of the standout stars for the Reds this season, in a new right-back role.
It has seen him catch the eye of other clubs, as well as the Polish national team - with scouts reportedly attending a number of Forest matches.
Slough-born Cash qualifies to play for the country through his grandmother, and says he would love to get a call-up."
Oh yes, this would be a great boost to my ongoing efforts to convert my students from being gloryhunting plastic United or Liverpool reds to supporting the true giants of English football.
5 year deal - most on here will want him gone within 6 months
Maybe he will play as a wing back or right sided midfield player
I'm a lot more relaxed about the signing now Dean has confirmed where he sees him playing. All this talk about him playing on the wing or in midfield had me extremely concerned.
“He has an excellent playing record for a young player and we believe he will settle in easily and continue his rapid development into a top full-back.”
I really don't know enough about him to make a call on that, but any player that potentially makes us better is alright by me. Every signing's a risk etc. Bit too early to judge until we see what other singings are made. If we end up with glaring holes in our squad like last season, then i'd be agreeing with you.I'm a lot more relaxed about the signing now Dean has confirmed where he sees him playing. All this talk about him playing on the wing or in midfield had me extremely concerned.
“He has an excellent playing record for a young player and we believe he will settle in easily and continue his rapid development into a top full-back.”
But aren't you concerned that it might be a rather pointless and budget-sapping signing?
I'm a lot more relaxed about the signing now Dean has confirmed where he sees him playing. All this talk about him playing on the wing or in midfield had me extremely concerned.
“He has an excellent playing record for a young player and we believe he will settle in easily and continue his rapid development into a top full-back.”
But aren't you concerned that it might be a rather pointless and budget-sapping signing?
I'm a lot more relaxed about the signing now Dean has confirmed where he sees him playing. All this talk about him playing on the wing or in midfield had me extremely concerned.
“He has an excellent playing record for a young player and we believe he will settle in easily and continue his rapid development into a top full-back.”
But aren't you concerned that it might be a rather pointless and budget-sapping signing?
I'm a lot more relaxed about the signing now Dean has confirmed where he sees him playing. All this talk about him playing on the wing or in midfield had me extremely concerned.
“He has an excellent playing record for a young player and we believe he will settle in easily and continue his rapid development into a top full-back.”
But aren't you concerned that it might be a rather pointless and budget-sapping signing?
I bet you’re a laugh at parties.
I really don't know enough about him to make a call on that, but any player that potentially makes us better is alright by me. Every signing's a risk etc. Bit too early to judge until we see what other singings are made. If we end up with glaring holes in our squad like last season, then i'd be agreeing with you.I'm a lot more relaxed about the signing now Dean has confirmed where he sees him playing. All this talk about him playing on the wing or in midfield had me extremely concerned.
“He has an excellent playing record for a young player and we believe he will settle in easily and continue his rapid development into a top full-back.”
But aren't you concerned that it might be a rather pointless and budget-sapping signing?
Anyone know who he supports?
I notice that his dad is from Tipton and has played for Stourbridge and Halesowen
Anyone know who he supports?
I notice that his dad is from Tipton and has played for Stourbridge and Halesowen
His family are all big Albion fans
Anyone know who he supports?
I notice that his dad is from Tipton and has played for Stourbridge and Halesowen
His family are all big Albion fans
Oh shit!
In that case he's got 3 games to become as accomplished as Carlos Alberto before I start booing him on to the pitch
I love this picture. Shows how much joining us means to him and his family unlike some of the moody foreign signings we make who think they are doing US a favour by signing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg_iqfFX0AESbY3?format=jpg&name=large)
I love this picture. Shows how much joining us means to him and his family unlike some of the moody foreign signings we make who think they are doing US a favour by signing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg_iqfFX0AESbY3?format=jpg&name=large)
Yes indeed. Bloody moody foreigners who sign for us, thinking they're doing US a favour.
I'm thinking of the likes of Ayew who never smiled once and mumbled through interviews. Some others thought they were lowering themselves to play for us, thats what I meant. Not a 'foreign' thing, didn't mean it that way.I love this picture. Shows how much joining us means to him and his family unlike some of the moody foreign signings we make who think they are doing US a favour by signing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg_iqfFX0AESbY3?format=jpg&name=large)
Yes indeed. Bloody moody foreigners who sign for us, thinking they're doing US a favour.
Is that photoshopped or real?
Is that photoshopped or real?
I know there are some sad individuals with too much time on their hands but really? Would anyone have the inclination to photoshop Matty Cash's family into a photo?
Paradoxically, ‘No Caption Needed’ is a caption.
Is that photoshopped or real?
I know there are some sad individuals with too much time on their hands but really? Would anyone have the inclination to photoshop Matty Cash's family into a photo?
A really likeable bloke from the interviews. I've got a feeling he'll be a bit of a favourite.
"Half time music brought to you by Andy Cash Records"
A really likeable bloke from the interviews. I've got a feeling he'll be a bit of a favourite.
He is the best thing to come out of Slough since 'The Office'.
I don't think he's only being bought to play RB. I can see him playing RM with Freddie. Good signing for a very promising player.Didn’t he play RM against us in the 5-5 draw and score ? Not reading too much into the scoring piece obviously as on the night just about everyone scored.
I don't think he's only being bought to play RB. I can see him playing RM with Freddie. Good signing for a very promising player.Didn’t he play RM against us in the 5-5 draw and score ? Not reading too much into the scoring piece obviously as on the night just about everyone scored.
RDM was in a no-win situation from day one. In many ways.
That was one of RDM’s classics losing a 2 goal lead. It got a bit salty they had a bloke sent off. Think it’s the same game anyway.
Nice one. Think it is a position we needed to strengthen so good stuff.That's your wishlist after last seasn - rightback, leftback & striker?
Need a replacement LB and Striker.
That is the highest priority list. A wish list is Messi, Van Dijk and MBappe.
That was one of RDM’s classics losing a 2 goal lead. It got a bit salty they had a bloke sent off. Think it’s the same game anyway.
Lansbury scored a late equaliser and then we bought him ?
A really likeable bloke from the interviews. I've got a feeling he'll be a bit of a favourite.
He is the best thing to come out of Slough since 'The Office'.
I could live without The Office but not without Mars confectionery.
A really likeable bloke from the interviews. I've got a feeling he'll be a bit of a favourite.
He is the best thing to come out of Slough since 'The Office'.
I could live without The Office but not without Mars confectionery.
Tracey Ullman was born in Slough, the cartoonist Steve Bell grew up in Slough, Lego has UK offices based in Slough.
RDM was in a no-win situation from day one. In many ways.
We were a mess though and it took a more experienced manager to stop the slide and reverse the way we were going.Who is this manager you speak of, Bruce? He was arguably the one that stopped the slide. Runs for cover.
Matty Cash signed and I fully expect him as the right back and so should we all.
Need to drop the Guilbert love in now. He's so last season. I won't be posting on Guilbert thread til really deemed necessary! ever ! Again.
This player Cash "bright prospect " is far more important to Villa this season on the right hand side of defence. Dean Smith will hope to oversee Cash's "rapid development into a top full-back." (Quote head coach)
Up the Villa!
We were a mess though and it took a more experienced manager to stop the slide and reverse the way we were going.Who is this manager you speak of, Bruce? He was arguably the one that stopped the slide. Runs for cover.
Bruce was the right manager at the right time. He just stayed 6 months too long.
Bruce was the right manager at the right time. He just stayed 6 months too long.
Bruce was the right manager at the right time. He just stayed 6 months too long.
I think he was got rid of at the right time. We needed that continuity during the summer.
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Number 2 eh but number 1 right back.
So I hope anyone thinking he was playing some wayward position upfield rather than right back can enjoy their riding their bicycle backwards!
And to say right back at you for suggestions of wide forward!
A good debut overall I felt. Puts a nice ball into the area, more to come from him I'm sure. Looks a bit too much like Lansbury though, so I keep expecting him to be crap!
Played well enough but I hope Freddie stays.
Still think Guilbert should be as starting ahead of Cash, but he looked far more competent last night than he did against Man Utd.
If only the options at left back were as good.
Still think Guilbert should be as starting ahead of Cash, but he looked far more competent last night than he did against Man Utd.
I think it’s a good battle between the two. Freddie is more than competent there too.
Yeah I like him too. BTW, I was reading on the Polish Villa Twitter that he wont be picked for Poland despite having a Polish Grandmother. He doesn't speak Polish which he would need to get citizenship and the Polish FA do not repatriate players nowadays apparently.
Yeah I like him too. BTW, I was reading on the Polish Villa Twitter that he wont be picked for Poland despite having a Polish Grandmother. He doesn't speak Polish which he would need to get citizenship and the Polish FA do not repatriate players nowadays apparently.
Which reminds me of Ivor Linton, who played in Finland for so long he was eligible for their national side, but to do that he'd also be eligible for national service.
Very impressed with him so far, definitely an upgradeYep. I like him a lot. Hopefully can find an equivalent for the other side.
Looks a cracking player. Another one who can run all night and is really quick. He's also got a really good cross on him.I really like the look of Cash but lets not get carried away - he's played a 10 man Sheffield and a self imploding Fulham.
I like Guilbert, but he's not at Cash's level.
This is a Matty Cash thread no need to talk of gullible guilbert. Hes not welcomed was part of old regime qnd clearly out of favor ,we dont need him at Villa . Cash in on him and Cash in the team
And shows just how much Cash was needed
Dean knows identifies upgrades and he did just that.
Now we can all enjoy Cash! Good to see everyone getting it now and noticing the difference.
Cash showing the quality of player that can be plucked from the Championship. Henry would be an upgrade on Targett.
Looks a cracking player. Another one who can run all night and is really quick. He's also got a really good cross on him.I really like the look of Cash but lets not get carried away - he's played a 10 man Sheffield and a self imploding Fulham.
I like Guilbert, but he's not at Cash's level.
He looked really good last night and long may it continue, but we'll know if he's a different level to Guilbert once we've seen him play some decent PL teams.
And a shout out to one of the greatest shothouse fouls ive ever seen to stop them breaking in the 1st half.
We have definately improved as a team in this aspect, niggly fouls, holding onto the ball during opponents free kicks etc
Stats v Leicester
81% Pass accuracy
4 Clearances
5 Interceptions
4 Successful tackles
100% Tackle success
100% Aerial success
He was excellent tonight, Barnes won't have many harder matches.
he's a serious upgrade.
He was excellent tonight, Barnes won't have many harder matches.
He was excellent tonight, Barnes won't have many harder matches.
Yes I really rate Barnes and Cash did well against him.
He was excellent tonight, Barnes won't have many harder matches.
Yes I really rate Barnes and Cash did well against him.
Hard him in his pocket whilst playing on a yellow card. Not bad going at all.
Hopefully a load of rubbish but just had a message say Cash has sustained a bad injury. Does anyone know if the squad are training or been given the week off?
Elmo all the way for his height at set-pieces.
maybe for his delivery? Not his heading abilitiesElmo all the way for his height at set-pieces.
That's not going to be that much of a consideration is it? I wouldn't say Elmo is especially known for his aerial prowess.
Elmo all the way for his height at set-pieces.
That's not going to be that much of a consideration is it? I wouldn't say Elmo is especially known for his aerial prowess.
Elmo all the way for his height at set-pieces.
That's not going to be that much of a consideration is it? I wouldn't say Elmo is especially known for his aerial prowess.
Elmo all the way for his height at set-pieces.
That's not going to be that much of a consideration is it? I wouldn't say Elmo is especially known for his aerial prowess.
He will pick Elmo over Guilbert which I don’t still get given how well Freddie played at the end of last season.
Everyone is on Traores case as he doesn’t defend that well...truth is Cash is still learning that part of the game
Everyone is on Traores case as he doesn’t defend that well...truth is Cash is still learning that part of the game
Traore doesn't defend at all. Which is fine when we're all over a team like first half, but Dyche was always going to get them fighting more second half, at which point Traore goes from a skilful luxury, to an absolute liability.
I'm worried Cash being out for any length of time will be a massive problem for us. He's quickly established himself as a vital player in our back four. Elmo has been a fantastic servant for us but he's not cut out to play the way we do now.
Fingers crossed Cash's injury won't be too bad!
How far off is Hause to being fit? Konsa is pretty good filling at right back.
Love the bloke, has been superb all season, surprised a Premier League club did not sign him a season or two ago.
I completely forgot about Engels, that's a good shout though.How far off is Hause to being fit? Konsa is pretty good filling at right back.
Just throw Engels in now and move Ez across to the right.
However, I would be surprised if Smith were to do that. He already prefers Elmo over Guilbert, and Engels is another player that Smith wouldn’t select unless he absolutely had to.I completely forgot about Engels, that's a good shout though.How far off is Hause to being fit? Konsa is pretty good filling at right back.
Just throw Engels in now and move Ez across to the right.
He needs good coverage so Barnes doesnt get to run at him too much. A game for Trez maybe.
Yeah, that was my first thought too. Think they combine really well - more than the sum of their parts as it were.He needs good coverage so Barnes doesnt get to run at him too much. A game for Trez maybe.
Elmo and Trez seem to have a good understanding so I'd play them together I think.
They walk like they do they talk like they do.He needs good coverage so Barnes doesnt get to run at him too much. A game for Trez maybe.
Elmo and Trez seem to have a good understanding so I'd play them together I think.
No way would I be breaking up, arguably, the best central defensive partnership in the league on the back of successive clean sheets. Leave Konsa where he is. Elmo in for Cash, maybe put Trezeguet in for Traore as Bert didn't have the best of games at Brighton and offers less in terms of defending.
I feel bad for Bjorn though. When will he born again?
No way would I be breaking up, arguably, the best central defensive partnership in the league on the back of successive clean sheets. Leave Konsa where he is. Elmo in for Cash, maybe put Trezeguet in for Traore as Bert didn't have the best of games at Brighton and offers less in terms of defending.Defo.
Hamstring.So, that's 4-6 weeks, then?
Hamstring.So, that's 4-6 weeks, then?
Hamstring.So, that's 4-6 weeks, then?
Hamstring.So, that's 4-6 weeks, then?
Depends on the severity. It would be about 6 weeks if it had gone completely but they got him off quickly so I would hope it's more of a strain and it will be more like a couple of weeks in that case.
Tricky Blighters, Hamstrings.Hamstring.So, that's 4-6 weeks, then?
Depends on the severity. It would be about 6 weeks if it had gone completely but they got him off quickly so I would hope it's more of a strain and it will be more like a couple of weeks in that case.
Yeah Wilson's out for 6 to 8 weeks for Newcastle with a complete tear.
It looked like a bit of a pull, he got a nudge (legally with a shoulder) just as he was trying to stop and went over pretty awkwardly, didn't look like anything in it that would be a major injury but could easily have made him overstretch and then taking him off as a precaution makes sense. I'm not convinced he'll even have missed any training.
It looked like a bit of a pull, he got a nudge (legally with a shoulder) just as he was trying to stop and went over pretty awkwardly, didn't look like anything in it that would be a major injury but could easily have made him overstretch and then taking him off as a precaution makes sense. I'm not convinced he'll even have missed any training.
Even with our track record of Injuries ?
That’s him gone until Easter then.
We took him off straight away at least, so we're learning.Yes, at least we didn’t try to get him to run it off
That’s him gone until Easter then.
That was my thinking.
It looked like a bit of a pull, he got a nudge (legally with a shoulder) just as he was trying to stop and went over pretty awkwardly, didn't look like anything in it that would be a major injury but could easily have made him overstretch and then taking him off as a precaution makes sense. I'm not convinced he'll even have missed any training.
Oh bollocks, he’s been bloody ace. I was still hopeful for him to be just struggling with a twinge. Not sure I would like Traore in front of Elmo so Smith surely must shake things up a bit and not just swap like for like with Cash and Elmo and Trez for Traore.
Konsa played right back at times towards the end of last season
agreeKonsa played right back at times towards the end of last season
That might be OK if Hause was fit, but he isn't.
Is there scope to recall Freddie Gilbert ? Elmo did not inspire against Brighton when he came on notwithstanding most of the team were wank.
We’ve only got four games between now and the end of March, so not all bad.
Recall Guilbert. If we can.
In the game before lockdown, Barnes and Vardy had Guilbert on toast.
Do we know the extent of the injury?
Thank you.Do we know the extent of the injury?
Deano said “weeks”
Elmo with Trez in front. This is no game to be throwing Kesler in.I made no reference to a specific game.
NOOOOOO three centre halves is shit. Defenders are boring. Hell, no.
We might well see Kesler at some point during Cash's absence.
In the game before lockdown, Barnes and Vardy had Guilbert on toast.
The entire team were dismal that day, incuding Mings, Jack, Targett and Luiz.
In the game before lockdown, Barnes and Vardy had Guilbert on toast.
The entire team were dismal that day, incuding Mings, Jack, Targett and Luiz.
And when Freddie came back into the team after lockdown he was fine - I recall him having Aubamyang (SP) on toast vs Arse!
In the game before lockdown, Barnes and Vardy had Guilbert on toast.
The entire team were dismal that day, incuding Mings, Jack, Targett and Luiz.
And when Freddie came back into the team after lockdown he was fine - I recall him having Aubamyang (SP) on toast vs Arse!
Guilbert is a good and potentially very good full back. I was surprised that he didnt start a couple of more games or come on as a sub, granted he was injured. I wouldn't have let him leave on loan. Better players in the squad and make training more competitive, and stops players being complacent. Just picking out a bad performance from Guilbert is a bit silly
In the game before lockdown, Barnes and Vardy had Guilbert on toast.
But this is exactly what’s happening with Elmo. Yes going to be inevitably poor on Sunday because he was when he came on last Saturday.
The entire team were dismal that day, incuding Mings, Jack, Targett and Luiz.
And when Freddie came back into the team after lockdown he was fine - I recall him having Aubamyang (SP) on toast vs Arse!
Guilbert is a good and potentially very good full back. I was surprised that he didnt start a couple of more games or come on as a sub, granted he was injured. I wouldn't have let him leave on loan. Better players in the squad and make training more competitive, and stops players being complacent. Just picking out a bad performance from Guilbert is a bit silly
In the game before lockdown, Barnes and Vardy had Guilbert on toast.
But this is exactly what’s happening with Elmo. Yes going to be inevitably poor on Sunday because he was when he came on last Saturday.
The entire team were dismal that day, incuding Mings, Jack, Targett and Luiz.
And when Freddie came back into the team after lockdown he was fine - I recall him having Aubamyang (SP) on toast vs Arse!
Guilbert is a good and potentially very good full back. I was surprised that he didnt start a couple of more games or come on as a sub, granted he was injured. I wouldn't have let him leave on loan. Better players in the squad and make training more competitive, and stops players being complacent. Just picking out a bad performance from Guilbert is a bit silly
But this is exactly what’s happening with Elmo. Elmo going to be inevitably poor on Sunday because he was when he came on last Saturday.
I loved the clenched fist from Guilbert against Arsenal last year as well and I like many others was a bit surprised we went out and bought Cash. In hindsight Cash is a lot better. I can’t remember Guilbert having that many brilliant games and I honestly can’t remember thinking he is definitely twice the player Elmo is.
NOOOOOO three centre halves is shit. Defenders are boring. Hell, no.We might well see Kesler at some point during Cash's absence.
Is Kesler the kid who did the brilliant bit of skill in our own box against Liverpool?
NOOOOOO three centre halves is shit. Defenders are boring. Hell, no.We might well see Kesler at some point during Cash's absence.
Is Kesler the kid who did the brilliant bit of skill in our own box against Liverpool?
No, he wasn't available as he was on the fringe of the first team so isolating with the rest of them.
NOOOOOO three centre halves is shit. Defenders are boring. Hell, no.We might well see Kesler at some point during Cash's absence.
Is Kesler the kid who did the brilliant bit of skill in our own box against Liverpool?
No, he wasn't available as he was on the fringe of the first team so isolating with the rest of them.
No, he played the full 90 as right back/right wing-back (the exact shape of the team was hard to be sure of because we got pinned so deep) . Part of the problem is that sometimes he's called Kesler and sometimes he's called Hayden. He was one of 2-3 who looked ready for the physical side of playing senior football and was still getting about the pitch by the end.
Unpopular opinion as I genuinly like him, but I dont think he's any better than Guilbert.
Poor today, very fortunate with that VAR call and does anyone know what he was doing not challenging Mane in the last minute?
Poor today, very fortunate with that VAR call and does anyone know what he was doing not challenging Mane in the last minute?
Why was he fortunate?
Unpopular opinion as I genuinly like him, but I dont think he's any better than Guilbert.
Agreed. I’ve expressed my opinions on him before. I am not accepting from anyone that he unseeded to leave that ball today because he knew he was offside. Personally, I think he continues to be a liability in defence. Another unpopular opinion.
Unpopular opinion as I genuinly like him, but I dont think he's any better than Guilbert.
Agreed. I’ve expressed my opinions on him before. I am not accepting from anyone that he unseeded to leave that ball today because he knew he was offside. Personally, I think he continues to be a liability in defence. Another unpopular opinion.
He's absolutely not a liability.
Cash is great - and Guilbert will be adequate back-up for next season; if he's still here.
Cash is far a better player and will also improve as well.
Unpopular opinion as I genuinly like him, but I dont think he's any better than Guilbert.
Agreed. I’ve expressed my opinions on him before. I am not accepting from anyone that he unseeded to leave that ball today because he knew he was offside. Personally, I think he continues to be a liability in defence. Another unpopular opinion.
He's absolutely not a liability.
It's crazy talk, he's an outstanding player.
Whereas Josh King is just...flash?Josh King is gash.
Poor today, very fortunate with that VAR call and does anyone know what he was doing not challenging Mane in the last minute?
Why was he fortunate?
That another error of his didn't lead to an opposition goal. He was at fault for Konsa's yellow in the first half too.
Unpopular opinion as I genuinly like him, but I dont think he's any better than Guilbert.
Agreed. I’ve expressed my opinions on him before. I am not accepting from anyone that he unseeded to leave that ball today because he knew he was offside. Personally, I think he continues to be a liability in defence. Another unpopular opinion.
Poor today, very fortunate with that VAR call and does anyone know what he was doing not challenging Mane in the last minute?
Why was he fortunate?
That another error of his didn't lead to an opposition goal. He was at fault for Konsa's yellow in the first half too.
He didn't make an error for the VAR call incident.
destroyed by liverpool at home, are you honestly picking faults with a game where we won 7-2 against the reigning champions?
We didn't even need a new RB. All I see when I look up Cash's stats is a whole bunch of yellow cards for mostly stupid challenges and not a lot else.
Guilbert has got more assists and goals in less than two months than cash has managed since the start of the season.
It’s funny how we have been extremely good in defence this season but we have a liability with Cash, while last season we had a terrible record but with a different full back in the team.
destroyed by liverpool at home, are you honestly picking faults with a game where we won 7-2 against the reigning champions?
I dont understand how anybody can say we got turned over at full back against Liverpool at home and expect to be taken seriously. They had 4 attempts of note, 2 they scored from. Both goals came from the left hand side of defence and Jota had a decent ish attempt that was well saved by Martinez in the first half that came from the right.
Cash has given away less free kicks than Guilbert and is part of a much better defence. I like the fact he enjoys to lay a glove on opposition.
Polemicsts on the march is the only explanation. Cash has been a good signing and is part of a very good defensive unit.
I seem to remember in that Liverpool game their international full back and world class centre half being turned over on average every 3 minutes. I wonder if Rich is a little confused on the full back in question.
I dont understand how anybody can say we got turned over at full back against Liverpool at home and expect to be taken seriously. They had 4 attempts of note, 2 they scored from. Both goals came from the left hand side of defence and Jota had a decent ish attempt that was well saved by Martinez in the first half that came from the right.
Cash has given away less free kicks than Guilbert and is part of a much better defence. I like the fact he enjoys to lay a glove on opposition.
Polemicsts on the march is the only explanation. Cash has been a good signing and is part of a very good defensive unit.
I’d rather have Guilbert giving away 10 free kicks a game than Matty Cash giving away 1 a game..... that is consistently in our own box!!! There’s the palace one as well which was a blatant penalty which if given at the time might have been a game changer.
Unpopular opinion as I genuinly like him, but I dont think he's any better than Guilbert.
Agreed. I’ve expressed my opinions on him before. I am not accepting from anyone that he unseeded to leave that ball today because he knew he was offside. Personally, I think he continues to be a liability in defence. Another unpopular opinion.
He's absolutely not a liability.
It's crazy talk, he's an outstanding player.
The hand ball that he should have been sent off for against Southampton at home. Destroyed by Liverpool at home, Leeds at home, the penalty v man united away, the penalty that should have been v Southampton away got away with v Liverpool the other day to name but a few. There’s six games without even having time to think. When you factor in that he’s missed a few games few injury, he’s probably only played a 26 game season. Even without our incidents being taken in to consideration that’s 1 in 4 cock ups or bad games. He is absolutely a defensively liability. When you factor in as well that he hasn’t scored goals where Guilbert scored at least twice last season, so he offers nothing going forward, I really don’t see what all the fuss is about. I’d rather us have signed a striker to be honest.
About this talk of him not getting forward enough, I suspect he'd been told not to venture too far forward, hence our stronger defensive performances. And probably why it can appear that whoever is playing on the wing isn't doing enough too.
About this talk of him not getting forward enough, I suspect he'd been told not to venture too far forward, hence our stronger defensive performances. And probably why it can appear that whoever is playing on the wing isn't doing enough too.
When Jack was fit, there was no better left side in the Premier league than Grealish and Targett in tandem. Exactly the right blend of ability, work rate and defensive graft. The problem with the right side is that Targett is newer to the league, and while he's been very good, he doesn't have a consistent performer in front of him, either defemsively or in attacking sense. Sort a proper right sided player and Cash will look even better. It's why I'd like to see Ollie given a go there with Davis up front.
About this talk of him not getting forward enough, I suspect he'd been told not to venture too far forward, hence our stronger defensive performances. And probably why it can appear that whoever is playing on the wing isn't doing enough too.
When Jack was fit, there was no better left side in the Premier league than Grealish and Targett in tandem. Exactly the right blend of ability, work rate and defensive graft. The problem with the right side is that Targett is newer to the league, and while he's been very good, he doesn't have a consistent performer in front of him, either defemsively or in attacking sense. Sort a proper right sided player and Cash will look even better. It's why I'd like to see Ollie given a go there with Davis up front.
I think this post should be framed. Risso calling for Davis up front.
He's given away two penalties, one a very harsh handball at Man City and the other straight back from injury where it was very suspect from England's honest captain. Hardly a walking disaster.
I rate Freddie and I rate Cash. Cash is better defensively and he has much better defensive stats as the right back in the 3rd best defence in the league, compared to the right back in the best defence in the league. We clearly get called on to defend more than Man City, but that extra and prolonged pressure only adds weight to how well Cash has done in his 2nd season as a right back and first in the Premier League.
Cash is a good player. Your comments about rather giving up 10 chances to 2 are bizarre. Those 2 chances lead to 2 goals. Why would you want to gift the opposition 8 more chances to score? Freddie was frequently prone to some odd decision making himself. Away at Southampton being a prime example.
Targett has been excellent this season, but has more bookings than Cash, less cleances, successful tackles, fewer shots and assists, despite playing on Jack's side of the park.
We have a pair of good full backs.
I'm sorry to hear Matty Cash shagged your wife, drank your favourite beer and proceeded to reverse over your cat on his way out.Fuck... I wondered where the cat went.
I'm sorry to hear Matty Cash shagged your wife, drank your favourite beer and proceeded to reverse over your cat on his way out.
Cash has been superb this season, and it's his first in the top flight. If he improves next year in a similar vein to Targett, he's going to be England's first choice and rightly so.
Incidentally, I think Targett deserves a call-up.
Cash has been superb this season, and it's his first in the top flight. If he improves next year in a similar vein to Targett, he's going to be England's first choice and rightly so.I like Cash but he's miles away from an England call up in my view.
Incidentally, I think Targett deserves a call-up.
Cash has been superb this season, and it's his first in the top flight. If he improves next year in a similar vein to Targett, he's going to be England's first choice and rightly so.I like Cash but he's miles away from an England call up in my view.
Incidentally, I think Targett deserves a call-up.
Cash has been superb this season, and it's his first in the top flight. If he improves next year in a similar vein to Targett, he's going to be England's first choice and rightly so.I like Cash but he's miles away from an England call up in my view.
Incidentally, I think Targett deserves a call-up.
Agree but after his first premiership season he is moving in the right direction
Cash has been superb this season, and it's his first in the top flight. If he improves next year in a similar vein to Targett, he's going to be England's first choice and rightly so.I like Cash but he's miles away from an England call up in my view.
Incidentally, I think Targett deserves a call-up.
Agree but after his first premiership season he is moving in the right direction
Cash has been superb this season, and it's his first in the top flight. If he improves next year in a similar vein to Targett, he's going to be England's first choice and rightly so.I like Cash but he's miles away from an England call up in my view.
Incidentally, I think Targett deserves a call-up.
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What sort of sad twat celebrates their own player being sent off just because they've spouted utter fucking bollocks about him in weeks gone by?
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What sort of sad twat celebrates their own player being sent off just because they've spouted utter fucking bollocks about him in weeks gone by?
Torn a new what? What does that mean?
Very poor from him tonight. God knows what he was thinking. Let's hope he learns from it.
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What sort of sad twat celebrates their own player being sent off just because they've spouted utter fucking bollocks about him in weeks gone by?
What was the utter fucking bollocks? A poster goes against the grain on here and describes Cash as a defensive liability. Cash goes out and validates that opinion with two yellow cards in about three minutes tonight single handedly finishing any chance of us getting back in the game.
Cash had been utter rubbish since coming back from injury, torn a new one by Foden tonight and his habit of diving into tackles is not something to be celebrated. It's the sign of a bang average defender at this level.
Torn a new what? What does that mean?
It usually means "new arsehole" I believe.
I like Cash, and think he's got a good future with us, but it's true that he's been mostly rubbish since coming back from injury, and he effectively cost us what little chance we had of scraping a draw tonight. That tackle was just stupid beyond belief. So out for the next game now, which will probably mean Elmo behind Traore for our derby match.
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What sort of sad twat celebrates their own player being sent off just because they've spouted utter fucking bollocks about him in weeks gone by?
What was the utter fucking bollocks? A poster goes against the grain on here and describes Cash as a defensive liability. Cash goes out and validates that opinion with two yellow cards in about three minutes tonight single handedly finishing any chance of us getting back in the game.
Cash had been utter rubbish since coming back from injury, torn a new one by Foden tonight and his habit of diving into tackles is not something to be celebrated. It's the sign of a bang average defender at this level.
I only stated an opinion and got attacked for it being labelled a “a sad twat” and falsely stating I celebrated when cash got sent off. Ads is clearly the only person on H&V who’s opinions matter. As someone stated “People like this aren’t worth the effort”
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What sort of sad twat celebrates their own player being sent off just because they've spouted utter fucking bollocks about him in weeks gone by?
What was the utter fucking bollocks? A poster goes against the grain on here and describes Cash as a defensive liability. Cash goes out and validates that opinion with two yellow cards in about three minutes tonight single handedly finishing any chance of us getting back in the game.
Cash had been utter rubbish since coming back from injury, torn a new one by Foden tonight and his habit of diving into tackles is not something to be celebrated. It's the sign of a bang average defender at this level.
I only stated an opinion and got attacked for it being labelled a “a sad twat” and falsely stating I celebrated when cash got sent off. Ads is clearly the only person on H&V who’s opinions matter. As someone stated “People like this aren’t worth the effort”
You can have your polemic minority view of Cash. The issue is rushing within seconds of it happening to take great delight in a Villa player getting sent off. Pathetic.
Firstly the thing is reckless doesn't even cover it.
Cash won't need to be told that and he probably cost us an opportunity to beat a side that had won its previous 16 away games as I thought we started the second half well.
Secondly I'm not into roundly despising the abilities of any of our players to the extent demonstrated here.
Maybe that makes me a poorer contributor I don't know.
All I know is that this team is on for the first top 10 finish since Houllier and that's decent progress for me.
Matt Cash has his faults but he's helping to push us on in our development as a club.
Poor last night but we've got much bigger problems than him. I'd really consider someone else other than fucking Elmo again at right back, he's shit, he's finished. Smith will pick him.That's harsh on Elmo. He's a good professional who's rarely let us down when called on. Cash will be a top full back for us in years to come. What he did was reckless and stupid. He come up against a player who was brilliant and will go on to great things. He was given the run around and snapped in my view. In his head Cash probably thought "have that" Just a red mist moment which he will learn from.
He needs somebody better in front of him. Part of the reason for Targett's uplift in form was how brilliant Jack was at the start of the season I reckon. It must give you so much confidence having somebody that good in front of you, and because teams were spending so much time trying to deal with Jack, they weren't overloading our left hand side like they did last season.
It's a shame for Cash that nobody (Mings, McGinn) went over and had a word after the first booking.
I can't argue with that assessment.He needs somebody better in front of him. Part of the reason for Targett's uplift in form was how brilliant Jack was at the start of the season I reckon. It must give you so much confidence having somebody that good in front of you, and because teams were spending so much time trying to deal with Jack, they weren't overloading our left hand side like they did last season.
In fairness to Cash, he has had a lot better first season for us than Targett did. Targett was beyond dire last season even with Jack in front of him. Bang average teams like Sheff United used play ever single ball into our left channel to target Matt. It's not at that stage for Cash yet but his habit of diving in like a hero at every opportunity is being exposed regularly now by opponents. Kane only a few weeks ago mugged him for that idiotic penalty that killed that game. Needs to change his game and quickly.
I’m a bit jury’s out on Cash to be honest and I’ll reserve judgment until next season. One thing that does surprise me is that a poster gets called a sad twat for having an opinion seemingly without any apology for it. The poster then gets mullered over making a comment about it within seconds of the final whistle going. Isn’t it generally when people comment on players’ performances er after the game? I’ve seen people on here calling for Managers to be sacked at Half Time in the past!
It's a shame for Cash that nobody (Mings, McGinn) went over and had a word after the first booking.
In fairness, it's not the first time he's been booked this season and they didn't expect him to be so bone-headed less than five minutes later.
I’d love to see Kesler play against Smethwick, but I know it will be Elmo safely filling in.
I wonder if it would be worthwhile to put Cash on the wing and bring Gilbert back a bit radical but it would work pace and bite down the flank.
I wonder if it would be worthwhile to put Cash on the wing and bring Gilbert back a bit radical but it would work pace and bite down the flank.
Smith can't make his preferred 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 work at the moment, so the chances of seeing something as out there as 3-5-2 would be slim I reckon.
I'm expecting Mings to be joined by Hause in the middle, play Konza at right back and Targett on the left.
Not been any comments on Matt Cash for a long time so here’s one. Don’t wear crimplene on your first day back to training 😂
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Absolutely rotten today.
I don't want Konsa to play at right back, but he was better than both Freddie and Cash when he played there last season. I'm also not convinced by Cash.I prefer Guilbert as right wing back though maybe Young takes that role if we are to say play 3 at the back Vs Chelsea in our next league match
I don't want Konsa to play at right back, but he was better than both Freddie and Cash when he played there last season. I'm also not convinced by Cash.
Cash is top class on his day, as is Matt on the other flank. FB or WB, they can both be good.
Sadly, they are not consistent, which is why we got the loan of Walker and Bertrand who went on to better things. Both will come good.
He cost the price of a few Mars Bars. What do you expect? He's done us proud. Is he Kyle Walker? No. I like him but hope he can take it up a level this season. If not, we look to upgrade next summer providing we don't blow all the budget on a defensive midfielder.
He wasn’t amazing yesterday but I can’t say he stood out for me as a player who had a clearly noticeable shocker.
He wasn’t amazing yesterday but I can’t say he stood out for me as a player who had a clearly noticeable shocker.
He wasn’t amazing yesterday but I can’t say he stood out for me as a player who had a clearly noticeable shocker.
Same here Richard.
He cost the price of a few Mars Bars. What do you expect? He's done us proud. Is he Kyle Walker? No. I like him but hope he can take it up a level this season. If not, we look to upgrade next summer providing we don't blow all the budget on a defensive midfielder.
He'll have to improve or Kessler-Hayden will take his place next season.
Releasing Elmo and letting Guilbert go back to France means there is no player whose first position is right-back to put pressure on Cash, now.
The same could be said of Tuanzebe: here for a season in order to allow for Bogarde's development?He'll have to improve or Kessler-Hayden will take his place next season.I'm pretty sure that's the reason we haven't bought another specialist right-back. We don't buy players to sit on the bench these days, so if we bought one we would then have two players blocking Kessler-Hayden's route to the first team. I'm pretty confident the club expect him to be the player challenging Cash next season, but if his loan doesn't go well, or they don't see the development they want, I expect we'll buy another right-back next summer.
In the meantime, we do have players who can play right-back if needed, and who will do a perfectly capable job, even if we don't have a specialist for that position.
Yeah, I think so. The move makes an awful lot of sense if it's seen through that perspective. We only need a short term solution, so bringing in a player who we know will fit in & will already have a decent relationship/understanding with the existing players is the obvious (in a good way) choice.The same could be said of Tuanzebe: here for a season in order to allow for Bogarde's development?He'll have to improve or Kessler-Hayden will take his place next season.I'm pretty sure that's the reason we haven't bought another specialist right-back. We don't buy players to sit on the bench these days, so if we bought one we would then have two players blocking Kessler-Hayden's route to the first team. I'm pretty confident the club expect him to be the player challenging Cash next season, but if his loan doesn't go well, or they don't see the development they want, I expect we'll buy another right-back next summer.
In the meantime, we do have players who can play right-back if needed, and who will do a perfectly capable job, even if we don't have a specialist for that position.
Releasing Elmo and letting Guilbert go back to France means there is no player whose first position is right-back to put pressure on Cash, now.
Wasn't Konsa's original position right-back before being converted to the centre?
Not ideal, but I think Ezri is more than capable of stepping in when needed.
Yeah, I think so. The move makes an awful lot of sense if it's seen through that perspective. We only need a short term solution, so bringing in a player who we know will fit in & will already have a decent relationship/understanding with the existing players is the obvious (in a good way) choice.The same could be said of Tuanzebe: here for a season in order to allow for Bogarde's development?He'll have to improve or Kessler-Hayden will take his place next season.I'm pretty sure that's the reason we haven't bought another specialist right-back. We don't buy players to sit on the bench these days, so if we bought one we would then have two players blocking Kessler-Hayden's route to the first team. I'm pretty confident the club expect him to be the player challenging Cash next season, but if his loan doesn't go well, or they don't see the development they want, I expect we'll buy another right-back next summer.
In the meantime, we do have players who can play right-back if needed, and who will do a perfectly capable job, even if we don't have a specialist for that position.
To me, this is a big season for Matty Cash. He really needs a Targett-like transformation because he's now, arguably, the weakest link in the first team squad ... alongside Marvelous Nakamba and Trez, but you'd not expect either of those have anywhere near the same involvement as he will.
Don't get me wrong, I really like the lad & want him to do well. I also wouldn't have put a replacement down as a high priority signing this summer. It just strikes me that once you start thinking about transfers for the next couple of windows, 'right back' is a position that crops up. And whilst Matty Cash is alright, he's not at a pushing-for-an-England-place level at the moment. Which is where we need to be aiming for.
The same could be said of Tuanzebe: here for a season in order to allow for Bogarde's development?He'll have to improve or Kessler-Hayden will take his place next season.I'm pretty sure that's the reason we haven't bought another specialist right-back. We don't buy players to sit on the bench these days, so if we bought one we would then have two players blocking Kessler-Hayden's route to the first team. I'm pretty confident the club expect him to be the player challenging Cash next season, but if his loan doesn't go well, or they don't see the development they want, I expect we'll buy another right-back next summer.
In the meantime, we do have players who can play right-back if needed, and who will do a perfectly capable job, even if we don't have a specialist for that position.
If he's pushing for an England place at right-back then he will have done brilliantly, given right-back is probably the position England is most blessed at the moment. You've got Trippier, James, Walker and Alexander-Arnold - any of whom is comfortably international class. I don't think there is a position with that much depth of quality anywhere else in the England squad?
I'd like him to improve - who doesn't want their players to improve - but even if he does, he's got a LONG way to go to get ahead of any of those four. Targett had a pretty good season last year, and he's still well down the pecking order in International terms at left-back.
I think I'm right in saying last season was only his second full season as a right-back, having been converted from a winger while at Forest? That gives me a lot of confidence that the defensive side of his game CAN improve further. He's certainly got the engine and athleticism going forward to be a threat at the other end.
It's being reported that Poland are trying to persuade Cash to play for them before the next round of world cup qualifiers - he's eligible through his Mum's side. Not much chance of him getting in the England set up at the moment, so might be a good move for him and Poland.
It's being reported that Poland are trying to persuade Cash to play for them before the next round of world cup qualifiers - he's eligible through his Mum's side. Not much chance of him getting in the England set up at the moment, so might be a good move for him and Poland.
Last thing we need is Legia Warszawa players tapping him up when he's away on international duty.
It's being reported that Poland are trying to persuade Cash to play for them before the next round of world cup qualifiers - he's eligible through his Mum's side. Not much chance of him getting in the England set up at the moment, so might be a good move for him and Poland.
Last thing we need is Legia Warszawa players tapping him up when he's away on international duty.
Made me laugh out loud , that one.
Apparently hair transplants are much cheaper in Poland as well.
I don’t think I’ve seen a player as delighted to score a goal as that for a long, long time. He went properly mental.And in interview after the game.
I thought he was magnificent yesterday. Ability wise, I don't think there's much between him and Guilbert, but it's his attitude, his commitment and aggression that makes the difference, and that's not knocking Guilbert, it's just that Cash has got it in spades. Without being in an over the top, dirty bastard way as well.
I don’t think I’ve seen a player as delighted to score a goal as that for a long, long time. He went properly mental.
I don’t think I’ve seen a player as delighted to score a goal as that for a long, long time. He went properly mental.
Not since Hendrie at Highbury or Ketsbaia at the, er, advertising hoardings.
I don’t think I’ve seen a player as delighted to score a goal as that for a long, long time. He went properly mental.
Not since Hendrie at Highbury or Ketsbaia at the, er, advertising hoardings.
Gary Gardner when he scored against SHA.
Bluenose? My arse
Scored his first goal then is picked for Garth's team of the week. Living the dream!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58619656
Scored his first goal then is picked for Garth's team of the week. Living the dream!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58619656
Garth Crooks is a fucking knob. He's not got a clue.
Murphy agreed. Jenas is bland but not too bad. Crooks is a complete loon, some of the shit he writes each week in his team of the week run down makes me think he's not really watched the games. Which would be scandalous
Reports stating matty cash spotted outside polish embassy so he can play for polish national team. So another potential international for us. Good for him
Feel free to bring Lewandowski back with you, Matt.
Does he speak any Polish?
He is a bit Polish.
Just as much as Man City could say 'all English front three' if they played Foden, Sterling and that other guy even though Sterling is also Jamaican and that other guy is sort of Irish.
Just as much as Man City could say 'all English front three' if they played Foden, Sterling and that other guy even though Sterling is also Jamaican and that other guy is sort of Irish.
Spike Milligan, Daniel Day-Lewis, Tony Cascarino?
So other than Dariusz Kubicki, have we had any other Poles play senior football for us?
Just as much as Man City could say 'all English front three' if they played Foden, Sterling and that other guy even though Sterling is also Jamaican and that other guy is sort of Irish.
Spike Milligan, Daniel Day-Lewis, Tony Cascarino?
Just as much as Man City could say 'all English front three' if they played Foden, Sterling and that other guy even though Sterling is also Jamaican and that other guy is sort of Irish.
Spike Milligan, Daniel Day-Lewis, Tony Cascarino?
Me, to be honest! And John Le Carré.
Just as much as Man City could say 'all English front three' if they played Foden, Sterling and that other guy even though Sterling is also Jamaican and that other guy is sort of Irish.
Spike Milligan, Daniel Day-Lewis, Tony Cascarino?
Paul McGrath and David O’Leary. And Phil Lynott?
So other than Dariusz Kubicki, have we had any other Poles play senior football for us?
Pretty disappointed that took almost two hours. This site is slipping.
Going to change his name to Mateusz Cashki
Going to change his name to Mateusz Cashki
I heard his name is now Mateusz Gotowka.
That's what he's been titled and on documents.
Pretty disappointed that took almost two hours. This site is slipping.
Apologies, I'm trying to type, eat my sandwich and channel hop all with one hand at the same time. It ain't easy. 😞
Going to change his name to Mateusz Cashki
I heard his name is now Mateusz Gotowka.
That's what he's been titled and on documents.
Going to change his name to Mateusz Cashki
I heard his name is now Mateusz Gotowka.
That's what he's been titled and on documents.
Someone put a joke version of his Polish ID card on social media in Polandwith the name Mateusz Gotówka and outlets like the Sun picked it up and thought it was real. He hasn't really changed his name. Btw, the Polish coach, who met with Cash at the weekend, has just tested positive for covid. Let's hope he wasn't standing too close to our Matt.
He had a great game yesterday. Odd to say for a defender in a 4-1 defeat but there you go.He needs to stop trying to score worldies though; just because it happened once ...
He had a great game yesterday. Odd to say for a defender in a 4-1 defeat but there you go.He needs to stop trying to score worldies though; just because it happened once ...
Partly to blame for the goal though
Barnes had his number completely first half yesterday, but fair play to him, Cash stood off him a bit more second half, and Barnes hardly had a sniff. Next thing he needs to do is cut out the overhit crosses. All in all he played very well though.With the Gerrard tactic to pushing the full backs on and getting Cash into the positions he did against Citeh and many times yesterday. He is going to need to improve this aspect of his game an awful lot.
Barnes had his number completely first half yesterday, but fair play to him, Cash stood off him a bit more second half, and Barnes hardly had a sniff. Next thing he needs to do is cut out the overhit crosses. All in all he played very well though.
Barnes had his number completely first half yesterday, but fair play to him, Cash stood off him a bit more second half, and Barnes hardly had a sniff. Next thing he needs to do is cut out the overhit crosses. All in all he played very well though.
Yeah, that's how I saw it. He had the same problem on Wednesday but he got to grips with Sterling in that game too, and in fairness those two are as tough as you're going to face. He's got a heart like a lion, he never gives it up.
Barnes had his number completely first half yesterday, but fair play to him, Cash stood off him a bit more second half, and Barnes hardly had a sniff. Next thing he needs to do is cut out the overhit crosses. All in all he played very well though.
Yeah, that's how I saw it. He had the same problem on Wednesday but he got to grips with Sterling in that game too, and in fairness those two are as tough as you're going to face. He's got a heart like a lion, he never gives it up.
Mane next.
I'm a happily married man, but many more performances like today's and if the opportunity presented itself I'd gladly have Matty's babies!!!!
He's a good player, growing in confidence. His did overhit his crosses yesterday but defensively he did well. He tackles more aggressively than pretty much anyone else in the squad, and for that he gets a bonus point.
For all the negative comments being made about Matt Targett, is this fella performing any better?
I’ll start….. NO. He’s been good awful for months now!
For all the negative comments being made about Matt Targett, is this fella performing any better?
I’ll start….. NO. He’s been good awful for months now!
Have to agree and our system relies heavily on our full-backs contributing in the final third. Gave the ball away far too often tonight.
For all the negative comments being made about Matt Targett, is this fella performing any better?
I’ll start….. NO. He’s been good awful for months now!
Have to agree and our system relies heavily on our full-backs contributing in the final third. Gave the ball away far too often tonight.
Everything but his final third play I'm a fan of. I'd like to see him give more time to work on this part of his game. He can at least run which stretches the game down the right.
For all the negative comments being made about Matt Targett, is this fella performing any better?
I’ll start….. NO. He’s been good awful for months now!
Have to agree and our system relies heavily on our full-backs contributing in the final third. Gave the ball away far too often tonight.
Everything but his final third play I'm a fan of. I'd like to see him give more time to work on this part of his game. He can at least run which stretches the game down the right.
That's poor given that he was a winger converted to a right back. The first thing he should have learned in that position is how to cross a ball
maybe that is why he did not make it as a winger.For all the negative comments being made about Matt Targett, is this fella performing any better?
I’ll start….. NO. He’s been good awful for months now!
Have to agree and our system relies heavily on our full-backs contributing in the final third. Gave the ball away far too often tonight.
Everything but his final third play I'm a fan of. I'd like to see him give more time to work on this part of his game. He can at least run which stretches the game down the right.
That's poor given that he was a winger converted to a right back. The first thing he should have learned in that position is how to cross a ball
I think in Gerrard's system he doesn't get caught out of position, he's supposed to be there.This is it. But we're missing Nakamba who can cover (or cover at the back if Konsa steps out). Douglas right now is the issue, because he's covering a position he's never really been comfortable with and doesn't have the engine for.
I think in Gerrard's system he doesn't get caught out of position, he's supposed to be there.This is it. But we're missing Nakamba who can cover (or cover at the back if Konsa steps out). Douglas right now is the issue, because he's covering a position he's never really been comfortable with and doesn't have the engine for.
This is what Doug isn't really doing though. But it's not his forte. I think this was a position which was an oversight during our summer window, whilst our focus was too much on replacing what's his name.I think in Gerrard's system he doesn't get caught out of position, he's supposed to be there.This is it. But we're missing Nakamba who can cover (or cover at the back if Konsa steps out). Douglas right now is the issue, because he's covering a position he's never really been comfortable with and doesn't have the engine for.
No, Luiz isn't supposed to cover Cash, McGinn is. The central one of the 3 is more about them holding their position and covering the centre of the pitch so the centre backs can cover the wide runs without leaving us short of numbers.
This is what Doug isn't really doing though. But it's not his forte. I think this was a position which was an oversight during our summer window, whilst our focus was too much on replacing what's his name.I think in Gerrard's system he doesn't get caught out of position, he's supposed to be there.This is it. But we're missing Nakamba who can cover (or cover at the back if Konsa steps out). Douglas right now is the issue, because he's covering a position he's never really been comfortable with and doesn't have the engine for.
No, Luiz isn't supposed to cover Cash, McGinn is. The central one of the 3 is more about them holding their position and covering the centre of the pitch so the centre backs can cover the wide runs without leaving us short of numbers.
In terms of McGinn, obviously one issue many are mentioning is the midfielder giving the ball away too easily. McGinn included, so once he does that in an advanced position, he's not going to be covering Cash either.
This is what Doug isn't really doing though. But it's not his forte. I think this was a position which was an oversight during our summer window, whilst our focus was too much on replacing what's his name.I think in Gerrard's system he doesn't get caught out of position, he's supposed to be there.This is it. But we're missing Nakamba who can cover (or cover at the back if Konsa steps out). Douglas right now is the issue, because he's covering a position he's never really been comfortable with and doesn't have the engine for.
No, Luiz isn't supposed to cover Cash, McGinn is. The central one of the 3 is more about them holding their position and covering the centre of the pitch so the centre backs can cover the wide runs without leaving us short of numbers.
In terms of McGinn, obviously one issue many are mentioning is the midfielder giving the ball away too easily. McGinn included, so once he does that in an advanced position, he's not going to be covering Cash either.
Obviously we'll have to see but Luiz has played really well when given a bit more positional freedom, once you get him to occupy space I think he loses a bit of interest and drifts in and out of the game. As I've said a few times now I want to see him next to op drawer DM because I think he'll prove to be the best of the 4 '8s' in the squad once he feels he has the freedom to express himself.
He's bloody brilliant. Committed, gets up and down, plays clever passes and gets in good positions. He's the most committed tackler we have to boot. I like him a lot. And, more importantly, so does my lad.
I think we all love Cash for his energy and enthusiasm, but he needs competition and resting at times. He started last season and this brilliantly and tailed off, and has started to drop off a bit this season. His biggest weakness is his final ball though, which is massively important under Gerrard. He's going to have to improve that to stay in the side longer term.
A good holding player in the middle stops McGinn getting pulled out of position quite so much and would help solidify the left and right side.
I think we all love Cash for his energy and enthusiasm, but he needs competition and resting at times. He started last season and this brilliantly and tailed off, and has started to drop off a bit this season. His biggest weakness is his final ball though, which is massively important under Gerrard. He's going to have to improve that to stay in the side longer term.
A good holding player in the middle stops McGinn getting pulled out of position quite so much and would help solidify the left and right side.
Its strange that his weakness is the final ball being that he was originally a winger, but I completely agree.
I'm not sure we have the balance quite right but its looking promising. Those balls from Cash don't need to particularly pick out a player but need to be flashed into those dangerous areas where the keeper cant come out and defenders have difficulty not conceding.
Perhaps if and when we sign Digne along with him linking up Coutinho Cash may have more space to work in.
Never understood why proffessional footballers have difficulty crossing the ball, if it is a weakness then focus on it in training, they have that many coaches now surely there is one who could help him with his technique.
Only one stands out. The one for Archers header against Chelsea in the cup
I think that was in the Sun. Pretty confident it will be bullshit.Repeated in the Birmingham Live which pretty much confirms it's bullshit.