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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2020, 07:55:45 PM
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Have at it. Fucking shit. AEG you fucking bottler
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Microcosm of our season: failure to take chances; silly goals given away; poor game management.
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Cock Piss Villa
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Don't deserve to stay up.
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Poor after Walcott and Kean come on.We didn't react.
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Sickening.
The AEG miss killed us. It took the belief out of the team and we retreated after that moment.
Not seeing games out, not fucking learning how to see games out is why we are fucked.
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As usual they kept going backwards and the goal was inevitable when it came. Can't see games out. No clean sheets away from home. Pathetic!
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Squandered the best chance of the game which would have killed it off.
Everton barely threatened apart from the one goal, which our defence was only too happy to allow them.
Bollocks. Another summer of ripping it up and starting again then.
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Don't think we deserved that. Horror miss from AEG was key. They had a lot more quality to bring off the bench, though I thought Davis did well. One of our better performances of late. Jack despite not being at his very best, had his best game for ages. Luiz, Elmo, Mings, Hourihane. Lots of strong performances but just couldn't see the win out. Horrible. Thought Everton were dreadful so I'm not sure we will have a better chance to pick up three points.
Reina 6, Elmo 8, Konsa 7, Mings 7, Targett 6, Hourihane 7, Luiz 8, McGinn 6, Grealish 8, Trez 3, Samatta 5. Subs Davis 7, AEG 3
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None of us surprised by that equaliser. Feels like a defeat.
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If you let 5ft10 streak of piss wingers win headers in your area then you deserve to go down.
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Gutting. Momentum crusher.
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Targett switched off at the far post. The header was well directed but he shouldn't have won it. Also I think Reina had a long view of that cross and started to come and hindsight is easy but maybe come and punch clear.
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Microcosm of our season: failure to take chances; silly goals given away; poor game management.
Smith's failings all season have cost us so many points. Playing well but fucking throwing away the points.
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Carbon copy of our early games. Smith has not improved one iota as a manager. Most of the players have gone backwards. El ghazi is a ******.
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They always find a way to kick you in the bollocks. Bastards.
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Sums up our season.
El Ghazi bottling a tap in which Jack put on a plate for him, and our £11.5 million Southampton reserve left back getting beat at the far post for their equaliser by Theo fackin Walcott?!!
Heroes to Zeroes in 10 minutes. We’re done now.
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If you let 5ft10 streak of piss wingers win headers in your area then you deserve to go down.
It's a microcosm of our season. Missing sitters while being unable to keep a clean sheet leads to an inevitable outcome.
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All wrong after the goal, we sat back invited a completely half arsed team to have a go and respond and they did, they where there for the taking. missed a sitter, but that's only half the story, we should have had another half dozen sitters to choose from.
Terrible outcome and this could be the game that send us down.
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We allowed them to cross it in our box without any pressure from the 1st minute. Everton were shite and we kept them at bay quite easily but once again an opposition manager changes the game with his substitutes while Dean has no answer.
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Blame lies squarely with AEG for bottling a sitter which would have put the game to bed. That said, letting Walcott score from a header? A win gave us a great chance, a draw just makes it more inevitable. Not over yet but near as dammit.
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Need to win both games and that won't happen.
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Tim Cahill called El Ghazi a coward for that miss. Can't argue.
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Reina hardly bust a gut for the goal
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Well that is a sickener.
Felt bar the first 15 minutes we dominated the game. Lack of quality out wide in Tezuguet and up front in Samatta stiffled us.
But the midfield 3 were excellent and Davis made a difference when he came on.
It was there on a plate for El Ghazi and you suspect its going to cost us and it did. Theo Walcott has never headed a ball so well and Konsa can't get contact. Ergh. Football makes you sick at times.
Have to beat Arsenal and hope West Ham win tomorrow. If those two things happen, then with a Man City score on Watford inbetween, its time for the defibrillator come a week Sunday.
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It was easier for El Ghazi to score, if he wasn't such a fucking coward. He was more worried about Pickford clipping him than securing a victory for us , ******.
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Smith useless at game management, he has no idea.
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On average, we concede a goal in the final 15 mins every other game. Appreciate poor game management contributes to this but it also doesn’t say much for the Fitness and Conditioning team at Bodymoor does it.
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Tim Cahill called El Ghazi a coward for that miss. Can't argue.
Extreme cowardice, not the first time we have seen him bottle it.
Hope I never see him in a Villa shirt again.
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Makes you wonder how we managed to see out the last 5 minutes at Wembley last year, we are so weak and pathetic.
Fucking Targett outdone by Wheelchair. Fumin babes fumin.
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It was easier for El Ghazi to score, if he wasn't such a fucking coward. He was more worried about Pickford clipping him than securing a victory for us , c***.
Same guy did it for us in the playoff final...It was a shocking miss alright but coward is a bit strong
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Well that is a sickener.
Felt bar the first 15 minutes we dominated the game. Lack of quality out wide in Tezuguet and up front in Samatta stiffled us.
But the midfield 3 were excellent and Davis made a difference when he came on.
It was there on a plate for El Ghazi and you suspect its going to cost us and it did. Theo Walcott has never headed a ball so well and Konsa can't get contact. Ergh. Football makes you sick at times.
Have to beat Arsenal and hope West Ham win tomorrow. If those two things happen, then with a Man City score on Watford inbetween, its time for the defibrillator come a week Sunday.
Man City are on the beach. They were lucky to win against Bournemouth. It's by no means certain that they'll beat Watford. Troy Deeney is on a mission to relegate us. I'll stop now I'm winding myself up.
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3 points thrown away, once we score we sit back and once again get punished.
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Smith useless at game management, he has no idea.
This all day long, I can see the frustration with AEG and I would agree he should have banged that in, however Smith should have burst into life after we scored and put real pressure on the players, even more so, when he could see us getting deeper and deeper he should have got right into the lads, what did he think would happen, we sit back and Everton would sit back and spin the clock out, if ever you wanted proof of a manger lacking in experience and ability tonight was it.
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3 points thrown away, once we score we sit back and once again get punished.
We drew.
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What a kick in the bollocks. That miss will haunt us for a long time. Devastated.
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Well that is a sickener.
Felt bar the first 15 minutes we dominated the game. Lack of quality out wide in Tezuguet and up front in Samatta stiffled us.
But the midfield 3 were excellent and Davis made a difference when he came on.
It was there on a plate for El Ghazi and you suspect its going to cost us and it did. Theo Walcott has never headed a ball so well and Konsa can't get contact. Ergh. Football makes you sick at times.
Have to beat Arsenal and hope West Ham win tomorrow. If those two things happen, then with a Man City score on Watford inbetween, its time for the defibrillator come a week Sunday.
Man City are on the beach. They were lucky to win against Bournemouth. It's by no means certain that they'll beat Watford. Troy Deeney is on a mission to relegate us. I'll stop now I'm winding myself up.
They've scored 12 in their last 3 games and conceded 1 playing no centre halves yesterday. That's some beach!
Watford might get a result. But they're more likely to get twatted 4 or 5.
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It was easier for El Ghazi to score, if he wasn't such a fucking coward. He was more worried about Pickford clipping him than securing a victory for us , c***.
Same guy did it for us in the playoff final...It was a shocking miss alright but coward is a bit strong
Tim Cahill called him a coward. Him and Dion Dublin agreed that they would have taken ball and keeper and everything else with it into the net.
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Smith useless at game management, he has no idea.
This all day long, I can see the frustration with AEG and I would agree he should have banged that in, however Smith should have burst into life after we scored and put real pressure on the players, even more so, when he could see us getting deeper and deeper he should have got right into the lads, what did he think would happen, we sit back and Everton would sit back and spin the clock out, if ever you wanted proof of a manger lacking in experience and ability tonight was it.
I needed that.. hilarious!
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I see Chris Wilder having a massive pop at his players for not being at it tonight. Big difference between him and Smith who drones on about weather, var, traps.
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Just need to win the last two and hope that results for Watford and West Ham go our way. Not going to happen, is it?
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Missed their equalizer as my stream dropped momentarily, but was not remotely surprised when I finally saw the score.
We really miss a touch of genuine quality in the final third. Samatta and Davies not good enough. Trez and Ghazi much the same. We will not have a better chance to determine our own destiny and we blew it.
The fat bird is going through her vocal warm-up exercises...
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Smith useless at game management, he has no idea.
This all day long, I can see the frustration with AEG and I would agree he should have banged that in, however Smith should have burst into life after we scored and put real pressure on the players, even more so, when he could see us getting deeper and deeper he should have got right into the lads, what did he think would happen, we sit back and Everton would sit back and spin the clock out, if ever you wanted proof of a manger lacking in experience and ability tonight was it.
I needed that.. hilarious!
Wishful thinking really but there you go.
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I see Chris Wilder having a massive pop at his players for not being at it tonight. Big difference between him and Smith who drones on about weather, var, traps.
Probably because Leicester could have had 3 or 4 according to Cahill, which suggests Sheffield United were utter shite?
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Well that is a sickener.
Felt bar the first 15 minutes we dominated the game. Lack of quality out wide in Tezuguet and up front in Samatta stiffled us.
But the midfield 3 were excellent and Davis made a difference when he came on.
It was there on a plate for El Ghazi and you suspect its going to cost us and it did. Theo Walcott has never headed a ball so well and Konsa can't get contact. Ergh. Football makes you sick at times.
Have to beat Arsenal and hope West Ham win tomorrow. If those two things happen, then with a Man City score on Watford inbetween, its time for the defibrillator come a week Sunday.
Man City are on the beach. They were lucky to win against Bournemouth. It's by no means certain that they'll beat Watford. Troy Deeney is on a mission to relegate us. I'll stop now I'm winding myself up.
They've scored 12 in their last 3 games and conceded 1 playing no centre halves yesterday. That's some beach!
Watford might get a result. But they're more likely to get twatted 4 or 5.
Last night against Bournemouth some their players were wearing sun glasses and flip flops.
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El Ghazy even feigned an injury after that shocking miss, not for the first time this season. Surprise surprise he's back up on his feet within a couple of minutes.
Shame for Konsa as he got us in front but he will feel he could have done better with the goal, Targett switched off as well.
Overall we retreated in the last ten, don't think we had the options on the bench to change it again in a different way.
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3 points thrown away, once we score we sit back and once again get punished.
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When your the biggest Bottle jobs in the Premier league you ain’t staying in it
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Tonight is so tough to take as for a change we were the better team and we deserved the win it’s rare we said that this season
El ghazi had to score and he didn’t and that I’m afraid says a lot about him ..... he has the ability but doesn’t have the bottle or heart
Tonight we showed we do have some decent premier league quality players but only 6-7.
Trez was back to headless chicken and samatta is miles off it. Davis has to start against Arsenal.
Targett cannot defend.
We dropped too deep leading up to their goal and it was coming.
It’s the hope that kills you.
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Well that is a sickener.
Felt bar the first 15 minutes we dominated the game. Lack of quality out wide in Tezuguet and up front in Samatta stiffled us.
But the midfield 3 were excellent and Davis made a difference when he came on.
It was there on a plate for El Ghazi and you suspect its going to cost us and it did. Theo Walcott has never headed a ball so well and Konsa can't get contact. Ergh. Football makes you sick at times.
Have to beat Arsenal and hope West Ham win tomorrow. If those two things happen, then with a Man City score on Watford inbetween, its time for the defibrillator come a week Sunday.
Man City are on the beach. They were lucky to win against Bournemouth. It's by no means certain that they'll beat Watford. Troy Deeney is on a mission to relegate us. I'll stop now I'm winding myself up.
They've scored 12 in their last 3 games and conceded 1 playing no centre halves yesterday. That's some beach!
Watford might get a result. But they're more likely to get twatted 4 or 5.
Last night against Bournemouth some their players were wearing sun glasses and flip flops.
And won.
By all means convince yourself of Watfors doing them. But Man City are the absolute last side I'd want in the run in.
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I’m still hopeful for some reason. We need a win for Watford tomorrow night. Hear me out. I can see Watford beating Citeh but I can’t see wet spam beating manure. Meaning if we could get a win against the arse who knows. Ok. I’ll lie down again.
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When was the last time we beat Arsenal at Villa Park? Parachute Santa?
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So it’s nil nil and we are holding our own. We score and Everton start playing ilke Brazil 1970. Go figure. We scored too early
Sums our season up
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You can go on all you like about smiths game management etc etc (I actually think the subs made a difference to the balance of the team). But the team sat too deep because they were scared of losing, you see it at every level of football every week. No game management in the world, can counter El Ghazi missing an open goal that if it goes in finishes the game. No game management in the world counters Konsas attempted clearance skimming off the side of his boot mid air rather than his laces.
A draw tomorrow now becomes the worst possible result for us, not sure but think I’d prefer a Watford win and West Ham to lose away at united. Of course it’s irrelevant if we get beat against Arsenal. Even a draw wouldn’t necessarily see us down. Although also need Southampton to do us a favour against Bournemouth.
Feel lower now than if we’d got hammered. The players needed to be lifted and lift themselves as it’s still not over
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Yep.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12030103/late-walcott-goal-denies-villa-vital-win
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so much hatred for El Ghazi. bad miss but where the fuck are our strikers for these chances?
Grealish missed a good chance against Manu last week but no one cares.
Got to stop making scapegoats. He is a big factor in us getting promoted last year and is still young with lots of potential
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When was the last time we beat Arsenal at Villa Park? Parachute Santa?
Yep.
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You can go on all you like about smiths game management etc etc (I actually think the subs made a difference to the balance of the team). But the team sat too deep because they were scared of losing, you see it at every level of football every week. No game management in the world, can counter El Ghazi missing an open goal that if it goes in finishes the game. No game management in the world counters Konsas attempted clearance skimming off the side of his boot mid air rather than his laces.
A draw tomorrow now becomes the worst possible result for us, not sure but think I’d prefer a Watford win and West Ham to lose away at united. Of course it’s irrelevant if we get beat against Arsenal. Even a draw wouldn’t necessarily see us down. Although also need Southampton to do us a favour against Bournemouth.
Feel lower now than if we’d got hammered. The players needed to be lifted and lift themselves as it’s still not over
I'm with you 100% on your analysis of what went wrong. And by tomorrow morning I'll be agreeing with the optimism!
For now though, we're gone.
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Not having a quality striker has killed us. See maupay scores again
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It was easier for El Ghazi to score, if he wasn't such a fucking coward. He was more worried about Pickford clipping him than securing a victory for us , c***.
Same guy did it for us in the playoff final...It was a shocking miss alright but coward is a bit strong
He chickened out , what wasn't even a 50/50 challenge.
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Any disappointment has to be left in the dressing room. Its done. There's plenty of positives to take and they have to be back with all the energy and belief to beat the Tarquins.
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so much hatred for El Ghazi. bad miss but where the fuck are our strikers for these chances?
Grealish missed a good chance against Manu last week but no one cares.
Got to stop making scapegoats. He is a big factor in us getting promoted last year and is still young with lots of potential
He's 25, the potential has gone, he's just a bang average player without the heart for a relegation battle.
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Well that is a sickener.
Felt bar the first 15 minutes we dominated the game. Lack of quality out wide in Tezuguet and up front in Samatta stiffled us.
But the midfield 3 were excellent and Davis made a difference when he came on.
It was there on a plate for El Ghazi and you suspect its going to cost us and it did. Theo Walcott has never headed a ball so well and Konsa can't get contact. Ergh. Football makes you sick at times.
Have to beat Arsenal and hope West Ham win tomorrow. If those two things happen, then with a Man City score on Watford inbetween, its time for the defibrillator come a week Sunday.
Man City are on the beach. They were lucky to win against Bournemouth. It's by no means certain that they'll beat Watford. Troy Deeney is on a mission to relegate us. I'll stop now I'm winding myself up.
They've scored 12 in their last 3 games and conceded 1 playing no centre halves yesterday. That's some beach!
Watford might get a result. But they're more likely to get twatted 4 or 5.
Last night against Bournemouth some their players were wearing sun glasses and flip flops.
And won.
By all means convince yourself of Watfors doing them. But Man City are the absolute last side I'd want in the run in.
By the skin of their teeth. Bournemouth battered them for the last 15 minutes. It was not a performance anywhere near City's usual standards. Obviously i'm hoping it was a one off. Well see.
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He should've gone at it studs-up. Any touch, other than the one he made, would've seen it in. Can't be missing those.
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Lump on Watford then.
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It was easier for El Ghazi to score, if he wasn't such a fucking coward. He was more worried about Pickford clipping him than securing a victory for us , c***.
Same guy did it for us in the playoff final...It was a shocking miss alright but coward is a bit strong
He chickened out , what wasn't even a 50/50 challenge.
i think coward is accurate, if he focuses on the ball he scores.
He didn’t because he was scared of contact.
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It was easier for El Ghazi to score, if he wasn't such a fucking coward. He was more worried about Pickford clipping him than securing a victory for us , c***.
Same guy did it for us in the playoff final...It was a shocking miss alright but coward is a bit strong
He chickened out , what wasn't even a 50/50 challenge.
i think coward is accurate, if he focuses on the ball he scores.
He didn’t because he was scared of contact.
Isn't it great when someone sitting behind a keyboard calls someone else a coward.
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Long shot but, depending on other results, we could stay up with 35 points. What worries me the most is Watford, WHU and Bournemouth seeming like they want it more than us.
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so much hatred for El Ghazi. bad miss but where the fuck are our strikers for these chances?
Grealish missed a good chance against Manu last week but no one cares.
Got to stop making scapegoats. He is a big factor in us getting promoted last year and is still young with lots of potential
He's 25, the potential has gone, he's just a bang average player without the heart for a relegation battle.
we'll have to disagree. I'd put money on him improving over next few years (probably at another club).
Like I said, at least he gets in the positions unlike our strikers
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How much did Samatta and Wesley cost combined?
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I’m still hopeful for some reason. We need a win for Watford tomorrow night. Hear me out. I can see Watford beating Citeh but I can’t see wet spam beating manure. Meaning if we could get a win against the arse who knows. Ok. I’ll lie down again.
Tonight was a sickener I know but 1-1 always feels so much worse when you take the lead. I'd have taken a point beforehand so it's not terminal.
I'm also still hopeful but want a comfortable West Ham win tomorrow as they have a better GD. Watford could easily lose their last 2 after that and, with the GD, 3 points might be enough for us though we likely need a min.of 4. Bournemouth still not out of it either.
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Not having a quality striker has killed us. See maupay scores again
Kodjia was better than anything we have. Why did he get rid of him? Wesley had his moments and then got injured. Would he have made a difference?
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It was easier for El Ghazi to score, if he wasn't such a fucking coward. He was more worried about Pickford clipping him than securing a victory for us , c***.
Same guy did it for us in the playoff final...It was a shocking miss alright but coward is a bit strong
He chickened out , what wasn't even a 50/50 challenge.
i think coward is accurate, if he focuses on the ball he scores.
He didn’t because he was scared of contact.
Isn't it great when someone sitting behind a keyboard calls someone else a coward.
Shots fired!
*Not real shots, for those easily scared.
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Samatta and Wesley have cost us around £32 million combined - we could have got so much better.
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Well that is a sickener.
Felt bar the first 15 minutes we dominated the game. Lack of quality out wide in Tezuguet and up front in Samatta stiffled us.
But the midfield 3 were excellent and Davis made a difference when he came on.
It was there on a plate for El Ghazi and you suspect its going to cost us and it did. Theo Walcott has never headed a ball so well and Konsa can't get contact. Ergh. Football makes you sick at times.
Have to beat Arsenal and hope West Ham win tomorrow. If those two things happen, then with a Man City score on Watford inbetween, its time for the defibrillator come a week Sunday.
Man City are on the beach. They were lucky to win against Bournemouth. It's by no means certain that they'll beat Watford. Troy Deeney is on a mission to relegate us. I'll stop now I'm winding myself up.
They've scored 12 in their last 3 games and conceded 1 playing no centre halves yesterday. That's some beach!
Watford might get a result. But they're more likely to get twatted 4 or 5.
Last night against Bournemouth some their players were wearing sun glasses and flip flops.
And won.
By all means convince yourself of Watfors doing them. But Man City are the absolute last side I'd want in the run in.
By the skin of their teeth. Bournemouth battered them for the last 15 minutes. It was not a performance anywhere near City's usual standards. Obviously i'm hoping it was a one off. Well see.
Basing the fact that Watford might beat Man City on city’s performance last night, is choosing to ignore a couple of important facts. This Man City side under Guardiola don’t often put in two average performances in a row, they could bring back De Bruyne who makes a difference to any game, they played poorly for them and still won and Watford are essentially shite. They scraped to a win over Norwich and beat an on the beach Newcastle like we beat palace. Let’s no big Watford up to be some top side.
Let’s see what happens tomorrow but I would guess if one of them loses they will be looking at their next fixture like rabbits in the headlights
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I’m just gutted.
For about 15 minutes, I had so much hope, my heart was fucking racing.
...and then we do that.
We’re done now, turn the lights off and then we can have another massive rebuild over the summer.
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Samatta and Wesley have cost us around £32 million combined - we could have got so much better.
Agree. Smith wanted Rodriguez for £8m in the Summer aslongside Wesley. He'd have kept us up.
Anwar, Trezeguet, Jota, Wesley, Samatta and Baston have been our forward aquisitions this season. It's clear where the issues are and who the problems lie with.
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I can understand people saying EL Ghazi should have chucked everything at it but if he had clobbered Pickford, the goal would surely have been ruled out anyway.
Crap defending at the end of a game is what killed us (again).
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El Ghazi should have scored no doubt about it but coward, really?
Samatta was no where to be seen up front all game, no way is he better than Keinan.
We played well until we scored then backed off and let them play.
Only one person to blame for that and that’s Dean Smith.....fucking useless!!!!
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so much hatred for El Ghazi. bad miss but where the fuck are our strikers for these chances?
Grealish missed a good chance against Manu last week but no one cares.
Got to stop making scapegoats. He is a big factor in us getting promoted last year and is still young with lots of potential
It wasn't anywhere near as bad but McGinn had a very good chance with a header about 8 yards out, pretty much missed the ball. Shocking. Samatta's effort from the header in the first half was woeful too. An in form Grealish I think scores at least one of the chances he created for himself to be fair in and around the edge of their box. Dragged one horribly wide just after half time.
It does feel like a momentum killer tonight but if we played anything like that in a number of games earlier in the season we would be nowhere near the bottom.
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I can understand people saying EL Ghazi should have chucked everything at it but if he had clobbered Pickford, the goal would surely have been ruled out anyway.
Who knows? Get the ball in the net first and worry about VAR later.
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There are plenty of players to share the blame around but el ghazi is the only one that had a clear chance to bury the game, which he definitely has the ability to convert.
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so much hatred for El Ghazi. bad miss but where the fuck are our strikers for these chances?
Grealish missed a good chance against Manu last week but no one cares.
Got to stop making scapegoats. He is a big factor in us getting promoted last year and is still young with lots of potential
It wasn't anywhere near as bad but McGinn had a very good chance with a header about 8 yards out, pretty much missed the ball. Shocking. Samatta's effort from the header in the first half was woeful too. An in form Grealish I think scores at least one of the chances he created for himself to be fair in and around the edge of their box. Dragged one horribly wide just after half time.
It does feel like a momentum killer tonight but if we played anything like that in a number of games earlier in the season we would be nowhere near the bottom.
I agree.
If they want to stop up they've got to have got rid of all that gutting disappointment about half an hour ago. Somebody needs to have had strong words about belief and gee them up. All the swearing, shouting, petulanceall gone. Laugh and a joke on the way back, relaxed and fucking bang up for Arsenal.
Has to be.
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I can understand people saying EL Ghazi should have chucked everything at it but if he had clobbered Pickford, the goal would surely have been ruled out anyway.
Crap defending at the end of a game is what killed us (again).
he connects with the ball before he connects with Pickford, he took his eye off the ball.
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It seemed as though he was trying to get an accurate sidefoot rather than a put your laces through it net-buster because of the height it came over. But, it's not the whole reason we didn't win.
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Can't knock them today, we controlled midfield for large amounts of the game, but we switched off defensively in the last 10 minutes. Smith's substitutions had an impact and I actually think Davies looks better when he comes on as sub.
The frustrating aspect of tonight is the fact that in the last 10 mins when we had to see the game out we should have given the ball to Grealish the only player who can hold onto the ball, instead we kept booting the ball to the touchline and gave possession away.
Unfortunately I think that's the final nail in the coffin but we're going down not because of El Ghazi and tonight's performance but pitiful displays earlier in the season such as Southampton at home and Bournemouth away.
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Not a lot has changed for me.
The loser of the game tomorrow is IMO going to go into the last game of the season no more than 3 points ahead of us - MU and MC will beat them both in their penultimate games. Even a point against Arsenal would set us up for a last day chance! That’s all we could hope for.
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I can understand people saying EL Ghazi should have chucked everything at it but if he had clobbered Pickford, the goal would surely have been ruled out anyway.
Crap defending at the end of a game is what killed us (again).
he connects with the ball before he connects with Pickford, he took his eye off the ball.
And if there was any contact with the keeper, the goal would not have been ruled out by either the ref or VAR? I have my doubts on that one.
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Samatta and Wesley have cost us around £32 million combined - we could have got so much better.
Agree. Smith wanted Rodriguez for £8m in the Summer aslongside Wesley. He'd have kept us up.
Anwar, Trezeguet, Jota, Wesley, Samatta and Baston have been our forward aquisitions this season. It's clear where the issues are and who the problems lie with.
Yes, £32m plus the money spent on Nakamba or Engels should have easily have secured 2 decent forwards; e.g Maupay and Benrahma if Smith wanted them would definitely have been an upgrade on what we ended up with.
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Was Woodward commentating yet again? If so, I blame him.
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Carbon copy of our early games. Smith has not improved one iota as a manager. Most of the players have gone backwards. El ghazi is a c***.
He really isn’t. He missed a good chance in football. Adolf Hitler was a c***.
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I can understand people saying EL Ghazi should have chucked everything at it but if he had clobbered Pickford, the goal would surely have been ruled out anyway.
Crap defending at the end of a game is what killed us (again).
he connects with the ball before he connects with Pickford, he took his eye off the ball.
And if there was any contact with the keeper, the goal would not have been ruled out by either the ref or VAR? I have my doubts on that one.
So you are not allowed to have any contact with the keeper after putting the ball in the net?
I will remember that.
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AEG miss is big , he scores we win however the big issue all season is this
No clean sheets away from home
Most points dropped from winning positions
That is why we are where we are whilst some better players would help ,especially a regular goal scorer .Shef United have scored less goals than us and have been safe all season because they are coached well enough to be hard to beat.We are not and IMO it's a coaching problem more than personnel
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Tim Cahill called El Ghazi a coward for that miss. Can't argue.
No, I think that’s ridiculous.
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I can understand people saying EL Ghazi should have chucked everything at it but if he had clobbered Pickford, the goal would surely have been ruled out anyway.
Crap defending at the end of a game is what killed us (again).
he connects with the ball before he connects with Pickford, he took his eye off the ball.
And if there was any contact with the keeper, the goal would not have been ruled out by either the ref or VAR? I have my doubts on that one.
So you are not allowed to have any contact with the keeper after putting the ball in the net?
I will remember that.
I didn’t say you weren’t allowed to have any contact, I said most likely it would be ruled out judging by how games seem to be run these days.
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The game was there for the taking but Grealish tried to do it all on his own. El Ghazi must have taken his eye off the ball and I had that horrible feeling that it was the games turning point. Our set pieces, other than the goal were awful. Game management in the last 10 was awful. Mings is not commanding enough in the box and the cross for their equaliser lacked bottle from our players.
I think Konsa and Luiz are going to be really decent players. SJM was better tonight I thought. Samatta is absolute gash, complete waste of money. Trezeguet was back to the competition winner that he has been all season other than on Sunday. The game was there for the taking but I think we bottled it.
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Samatta and Wesley have cost us around £32 million combined - we could have got so much better.
Obscene waste. The scouting, yet again, abysmal.
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AEG miss is big , he scores we win however the big issue all season is this
No clean sheets away from home
Most points dropped from winning positions
That is why we are where we are whilst some better players would help ,especially a regular goal scorer .Shef United have scored less goals than us and have been safe all season because they are coached well enough to be hard to beat.We are not and IMO it's a coaching problem more than personnel
I'm largely in two minds about keeping Smith, but I can't disagree with any of that. I could cope with the blancmange defending if he was some latter day Ossie Ardilles and we were piling them in up front but we're toothless in attack as well as supine at the back.
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Not many of our striker purchases have been great... hogan, mccormack.
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AEG miss is big , he scores we win however the big issue all season is this
No clean sheets away from home
Most points dropped from winning positions
That is why we are where we are whilst some better players would help ,especially a regular goal scorer .Shef United have scored less goals than us and have been safe all season because they are coached well enough to be hard to beat.We are not and IMO it's a coaching problem more than personnel
I'm largely in two minds about keeping Smith, but I can't disagree with any of that. I could cope with the blancmange defending if he was some latter day Ossie Ardilles and we were piling them in up front but we're toothless in attack as well as supine at the back.
I also think that Wilder says it like it is. Which has to be done sometimes.
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Such a disappointing way to drop two points to say the least. I wasn't that impressed with us first half but we came out and gave it a go at the start of the second and deserved the lead. As for El Ghazi, he should have done better but their keeper and defender did well to put him off. Coward? No, that's nonsense.
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I'm largely in two minds about keeping Smith, but I can't disagree with any of that. I could cope with the blancmange defending if he was some latter day Ossie Ardilles and we were piling them in up front but we're toothless in attack as well as supine at the back.
What are the pros?
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I can understand people saying EL Ghazi should have chucked everything at it but if he had clobbered Pickford, the goal would surely have been ruled out anyway.
Crap defending at the end of a game is what killed us (again).
It was Tim Cahill who called him a coward. Dion Dublin agreed. They weren't talking about fouling Pickford. The point they were making was he should of made sure of contact with the ball first. If he takes it into the back of the net along with the keeper that's not a foul. It's being determined to put the ball in the net. The enormity of a second goal meant he had to everything physically possible to make sure he scored. He failed to do that.That's the point they were making in the studio.
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I'm largely in two minds about keeping Smith, but I can't disagree with any of that. I could cope with the blancmange defending if he was some latter day Ossie Ardilles and we were piling them in up front but we're toothless in attack as well as supine at the back.
What are the pros?
I think he's done ok considering the terrible players that he's been given to work with (I know you disagree about his role in signing them, but I suspect he's been dealt a bad hand). When the collective dander is up we can go toe-to-toe with anyone. There's an outline of something positive there for me.
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I can understand people saying EL Ghazi should have chucked everything at it but if he had clobbered Pickford, the goal would surely have been ruled out anyway.
Crap defending at the end of a game is what killed us (again).
It was Tim Cahill who called him a coward. Dion Dublin agreed. They weren't talking about fouling Pickford. The point they were making was he should of made sure of contact with the ball first. If he takes it into the back of the net along with the keeper that's not a foul. It's being determined to put the ball in the net. The enormity of a second goal meant he had to everything physically possible to make sure he scored. He failed to do that.That's the point they were making in the studio.
Survival on line. He goes in lame and skies it, then grabs his balls to feign injury.
El Ghazi is soft.. this isn't news.
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We played well and should have seen it out but that's not what we do.....I have the feeling in the months and years to come I'll miss being utterly gutted at having only taken a point from somewhere like Goodison Park.
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We played well and should have seen it out but that's not what we do.....I have the feeling in the months and years to come I'll miss being utterly gutted at having only taken a point from somewhere like Goodison Park.
I like that positive attitude.
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Years to come? We feel like that this evening.
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you can't teach bravery on the training ground. It comes from within. Just hope there's a chance for Ghazi to be a hero in the final 2 games.
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I hope El Ghazi has forgot about it now. And the rest of the squad.
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I hope El Ghazi has forgot about it now. And the rest of the squad.
I fucking don't. That would stink of apathy. I hope they dwell on it all fucking weekend like we will until the Arsenal game on Tuesday, and I hope it fires them up to do better and not be so fucking gutless and toothless ever again.
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Not having a quality striker has killed us. See maupay scores again
Kodjia was better than anything we have. Why did he get rid of him? Wesley had his moments and then got injured. Would he have made a difference?
Kodjia was worse than each and every one of the other average/dreadful options. Going into the season with him as second choice striker was negligent in the extreme.
Davis was very good when he came on. Bullied that Everton kid at centre back and held the ball up brilliantly. But does he ever look like scoring. Even that cross Hourihane puts in for Konsa's goal, Davis is nearly there. That miss v Palace that somehow Trez and himself missed late on. Nearly again. Unfortunately it's always nearly with him.
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I hope El Ghazi has forgot about it now. And the rest of the squad.
I fucking don't. That would stink of apathy. I hope they dwell on it all fucking weekend like we will until the Arsenal game on Tuesday, and I hope it fires them up to do better and not be so fucking gutless and toothless ever again.
Not for me. Learn a lesson. Move on, improve. No external motivation required, it comes from within.
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I think he's done ok considering the terrible players that he's been given to work with (I know you disagree about his role in signing them, but I suspect he's been dealt a bad hand). When the collective dander is up we can go toe-to-toe with anyone. There's an outline of something positive there for me.
Fair enough. Personally I don't see a good manager being held back by poor players. I struggle to see what Dean is good at.
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It was easier for El Ghazi to score, if he wasn't such a fucking coward. He was more worried about Pickford clipping him than securing a victory for us , c***.
Same guy did it for us in the playoff final...It was a shocking miss alright but coward is a bit strong
He chickened out , what wasn't even a 50/50 challenge.
i think coward is accurate, if he focuses on the ball he scores.
He didn’t because he was scared of contact.
Isn't it great when someone sitting behind a keyboard calls someone else a coward.
Completely agree. It’s a missed chance nothing more.
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I think he’s made the players look worse than they are.
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El Ghazi should have scored of course but to call him a coward is a little harsh. If only Davis or Samatta were ever in such positions
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I think he’s made the players look worse than they are.
Me too. We have a habit of this over the last decade. I think we should call it the Villa way.
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Do we still make it into the final of the Smith cup?
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I wouldn't call him a coward. I would call him not good enough. Golden opportunity to seal the points in a must-win game to help avoid relegation, he has to score.
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I think El Ghazi is piss poor but I don’t think it’s fair he’s the scapegoat tbh. We’ve had 36 games to finish 17th and we’ve fucked it right up by wasting money for what seems like the 20th consecutive transfer window and having the chance to rectify it in Jan but instead buying the worst centre forward I’ve seen in 35 years and Danny Drinkwater who has put in two of the most inept performances I’ve seen and has barely played since. Utter shit. It goes much deeper than an El Ghazi miss
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Microcosm of our season: failure to take chances; silly goals given away; poor game management.
Pretty much sums it up.
Only one thing to add; poor recruitment. When you consider our striking options this season have been Wesley, Kodija, Davis, Samatta, El Ghazi for a few games and Baston. Wow.
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I don't get all this hate for El Ghazi, he missed a decent chance, end of. Cowardice or lack of bravery had far less to do with it than poor individual technique. What might be more deserving of some vitriol is the collective ineptitude that allowed a hopeful long cross to be aimed into our box and for Theo fucking Walcott to 'rise' unchallenged at the far post with a looping header back into our net, as the game was needing to be seen out.
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The El Ghazi coward thing is just ridiculous. Yes he’s no Stuart Pearce, Pat Van Den Hauwe or even Glen bloody Whealen, He’s a winger with a bit of a soft under belly, there’s players like that in every team from kids footie upwards. but he missed a sitter that’s it. He was in the right position, as has been pointed out by others, something Samatta, Trezeguet, McGinn and others failed to be in all night, he got his angles wrong, if you look at it again whatever way he attacked the space he ended up almost facing away from the goal, but as much as it was a killer him missing, he attacked the space which didn’t happen hardly at all by anyone else. The lad was devastated at the end. I’d still play him on Tuesday against Arsenal, Trez was worth a shout tonight after the confidence off 2 goals against palace, but he just hasn’t got much skill, can’t really beat a man or cross a ball.
I’d play Davies against Luiz next week and I’d have el Ghazi feeding off knockdowns. The midfield are finally starting to look a bit balanced so would keep the same. If there’s a winner tomorrow night, it’s still game on.
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Reina seems to be getting off lightly for being in no man's land for their goal.
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Yeah Reina was poor tonight. He also stranded himself for thar earlier chance that hit the bar.
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Reina seems to be getting off lightly for being in no man's land for their goal.
Ahem.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2020/07/aston-villa-and-the-ancient-rites/
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Those sort of headers always look like they shouldn't go in. Very slowly looping over the keeper.
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you can't teach bravery on the training ground. It comes from within. Just hope there's a chance for Ghazi to be a hero in the final 2 games.
I remember an interview with Wenger where he said you can coach everything except desire and attitude.
The bloke on Sly commentary highlights (thanks Legion), possibly Cartragher, said El Ghazi arrived too early and I would agree with that. Poor timing, misreading the flight maybe, but those little margins cost dearly. Another in a season of ifs and buts, but it ain’t over yet.
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Reina seems to be getting off lightly for being in no man's land for their goal.
Ahem.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2020/07/aston-villa-and-the-ancient-rites/
My apologies, Mr W.
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Reina seems to be getting off lightly for being in no man's land for their goal.
Ahem.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2020/07/aston-villa-and-the-ancient-rites/
So that's what origin error means
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El Ghazi had a simple tap in with his left foot but tried to use his natural right and that made the difference. Can't knock the effort but woefully short at centre forward, Samatta is nowhere near premieship standard but that goes for a few of them.
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El Ghazi had a simple tap in with his left foot but tried to use his natural right and that made the difference. Can't knock the effort but woefully short at centre forward, Samatta is nowhere near premieship standard but that goes for a few of them.
Samatta started off looking very sharp in his first few games off a limited supply. Fine goal in the cup final. But since the restart he has looked hopeless.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/53439001
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El Ghazi had a simple tap in with his left foot but tried to use his natural right and that made the difference. Can't knock the effort but woefully short at centre forward, Samatta is nowhere near premieship standard but that goes for a few of them.
Samatta started off looking very sharp in his first few games off a limited supply. Fine goal in the cup final. But since the restart he has looked hopeless.
And completely disinterested.
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El Ghazi had a simple tap in with his left foot but tried to use his natural right and that made the difference. Can't knock the effort but woefully short at centre forward, Samatta is nowhere near premieship standard but that goes for a few of them.
Samatta started off looking very sharp in his first few games off a limited supply. Fine goal in the cup final. But since the restart he has looked hopeless.
Yep I was yearning for Keinan to bring a bit of strength and stickability.
I’ll be forever grateful for being able to celebrate an East African scoring a cup final goal for the Villa sitting in a bar East Africa, but it feels at the moment like it could be another striker that doesn’t work out.
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Just not quite good enough on or off the pitch and that’s the season in a nutshell. Unlike the last horror show relegation I don’t think it’s a case of people not caring, not trying - we’re just not quite good enough.
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I don’t think El Khazi was feigning injury...he was just trying to tell us that his effort was a load of bollocks?
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AEG miss looking at it again he over runs it and can't adjust his body quick enough.Given the chance again he might just try and through his upper body at it and hope it doesn't hit is arm.
Their goal we got away with one a few mins earlier when Gomes crossed for Calvert-Lewinn so we should of been more wary.There is a combination of error's to start with Houriane put's out a tired leg to try and stop the cross and get no where near it.Targett lose's the ball in the air , as does Reina who is in no mans land and Walcott get's lucky as looks more like a head back across goal than an attempt to score.
They played 4-4-2 , of the 4 MF's who started they subbed 3 .We played 4-3-3 and subbed 0 of our MF 3 .The fresh legs told
I know our options on bench where limited by 85 mins McGinn and Hourihane are passengers I just can't understand why Smith at this point at the very least to stop Everton's momentum doesn't take one of them off.We know Nakamba and Lansbury are no world beaters but surely for 5-10 mins their fresh legs would of helped more than a toiling McGinn and Hourihane? You could even bring on Vasillev and move Jack into cm to have some fresh legs to hit it long too
Maybe the subs wouldn't of helped but I just don't know how you watch that last 10 mins or so and don't try something to stem the tide.
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Trying to stay calm but just fed up of Smith’s lack of substitutes.... today quite clearly El Mo & McGinn were spent ... Guilbert & Nakamba, more energy & probably would have stopped the cross into Sick note to stop his looping fifty pence header Goal !!!....…,
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I can understand people saying EL Ghazi should have chucked everything at it but if he had clobbered Pickford, the goal would surely have been ruled out anyway.
Crap defending at the end of a game is what killed us (again).
It was Tim Cahill who called him a coward. Dion Dublin agreed. They weren't talking about fouling Pickford. The point they were making was he should of made sure of contact with the ball first. If he takes it into the back of the net along with the keeper that's not a foul. It's being determined to put the ball in the net. The enormity of a second goal meant he had to everything physically possible to make sure he scored. He failed to do that.That's the point they were making in the studio.
Three things.
1) I think we can all agree that in real time it looked harder to miss that shot than make it.
2) After seeing the replay, it honestly looked like he could have done the same thing Hause did at Forest last year...literally just let the ball bounce off his chest or mid-section and it bounds in, no issue. Just guide it in.
3) I know what Cahill and Dublin said. That's their opinion and I respect it. Only thing I'll say is, if it looks like you pulled out of a 50/50 that could have won your team three points - it's not surprising your heart and desire comes into question. I just hope he learns from it, FAST.
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It’s shit but let us wash over you as quickly as possible. It’s a lot more peaceful. Next season will be a Covid impacted season. We will be by far the strongest club in the Championship. Playing next year in the PL in a five sub season will be shit for all clubs outside the biggest and wealthiest who without FPP will just be that much stronger and deeper. Conversely as that rule applies to the Championship, it will benefit clubs like us if we have a manager that knows how to take advantage of it. I’m getting used to going down. I’m not devaluing what it means but it’s not the end of the world even if it might feel that way.
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That could well be our chance gone. El Ghazi makes it two and it's probably enough to see us home, but we never look like holding on to leads as there are too many in the side capable of switching off.
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A bit of concentration at key moments this season and we'd be safe.
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Another massive missed opportunity which pretty much sums up this entire season.
I predicted in the pre-match 1-1, Villa play well, take the lead, miss a sitter and get pegged back. Its just what we do.
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Very disappointing not to have seen the game out.
I suppose we have become numbed to it this season.
When El Ghazi missed that chance I thought what an Andy Gray would have done with it.
I can't remember the game but El Ghazi did that feigning injury thing earlier this season after missing an easy chance.
It was at least good to see some fight today and our midfield pretty much ran the game.
I can't see it but haven't quite given up yet.
We have to somehow get something against Arsenal so that we still have a chance on the final day at WHU.
UTV
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Overall not the worst peformance of the season.
El Ghazi scores and we win.
We have to have the most goal shy forward line in the league, for the stick Wesley got Samatta gets off very lightly.
Davis tries but never looks like scoring.
Throw into the mix our weekly defensive bollock drop and there you go.
As others have said after we missed why not shore up the defence with some fresh legs, we could still make 3 subs.
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That's just yet another example of Dean Smith not getting it right when we needs to this season.
This is when he earns his money - 5 mins to go you just slow the game down, take the rhythm out of it, play for free kicks, dont give up possession cheaply, use up all your subs etc. We just continually lack the smarts when it comes to holding on to a lead late in the game. Its just happened too often now, we've never learned and ultimately not holding on to wins/draws will be what will send us down. And that's largely down to the management.
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That's just yet another example of Dean Smith not getting it right when we needs to this season.
This is when he earns his money - 5 mins to go you just slow the game down, take the rhythm out of it, play for free kicks, dont give up possession cheaply, use up all your subs etc. We just continually lack the smarts when it comes to holding on to a lead late in the game. Its just happened too often now, we've never learned and ultimately not holding on to wins/draws will be what will send us down. And that's largely down to the management.
This in spades. Our game management is appalling.
We let the flow of the game continue and payed the ultimate price.
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That's just yet another example of Dean Smith not getting it right when we needs to this season.
This is when he earns his money - 5 mins to go you just slow the game down, take the rhythm out of it, play for free kicks, dont give up possession cheaply, use up all your subs etc. We just continually lack the smarts when it comes to holding on to a lead late in the game. Its just happened too often now, we've never learned and ultimately not holding on to wins/draws will be what will send us down. And that's largely down to the management.
This in spades. Our game management is appalling.
We let the flow of the game continue and payed the ultimate price.
I think the players have quite a lot to do with it as well. Not all untried players in there, reina, Mings, Elmo, hourihane even grealish, all been around the game for a few years.
Interesting another poster mentioned Wesley. He looked to me like he never knew where to go in the box and his hold up play wasn’t all that, but he still had 6 goals come Xmas. A similar tally in the latter half of the season might have seen us safe.
Anyway, we need a winner in the game tonight, and then hope the team that loses, loses again either against Man City or Man U, and that Southampton don’t lose to Bournemouth. All that falls into place and even a draw against Arsenal will take us to West Ham 2 points behind and in with a shout. Too stressful!!
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That's just yet another example of Dean Smith not getting it right when we needs to this season.
This is when he earns his money - 5 mins to go you just slow the game down, take the rhythm out of it, play for free kicks, dont give up possession cheaply, use up all your subs etc. We just continually lack the smarts when it comes to holding on to a lead late in the game. Its just happened too often now, we've never learned and ultimately not holding on to wins/draws will be what will send us down. And that's largely down to the management.
This in spades. Our game management is appalling.
We let the flow of the game continue and payed the ultimate price.
Agreed. And the stat they put up last night proves everything ozvilla said. We have conceded more goals than any other team in the league in the final 15 minutes. We've conceded 17. It's a damning statistic that our coaching staff should be having a long look at.
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I have just watched their goal again. Hourihane didn't get within two metres of Gomes to stop the cross and El Ghastly and Elmo stood and watched. Dean Smith has the temerity to dig Konsa out for not keeping the ball off the line. Tool. It was a fantastic cross but should have been stopped. Lazy defending.
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I have just watched their goal again. Hourihane didn't get within two metres of Gomes to stop the cross and El Ghastly and Elmo stood and watched. Dean Smith has the temerity to dig Konsa out for not keeping the ball off the line. Tool. It was a fantastic cross but should have been stopped. Lazy defending.
There were numerous times when crosses were coming in seemingly without any real intent from our players to stop them. Targett and Jack in particular. They seemed to be standing of their wide players. Their goal resulted from this as did the Calvert Lewis miss
Unfortunately I think the young and nimble Arsenal players will be too much for us next week
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I have just watched their goal again. Hourihane didn't get within two metres of Gomes to stop the cross and El Ghastly and Elmo stood and watched. Dean Smith has the temerity to dig Konsa out for not keeping the ball off the line. Tool. It was a fantastic cross but should have been stopped. Lazy defending.
There were numerous times when crosses were coming in seemingly without any real intent from our players to stop them. Targett and Jack in particular. They seemed to be standing of their wide players. Their goal resulted from this as did the Calvert Lewis miss
Unfortunately I think the young and nimble Arsenal players will be too much for us next week
And yet, apparently we have got better through the season!
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Overall not the worst peformance of the season.
El Ghazi scores and we win.
We have to have the most goal shy forward line in the league, for the stick Wesley got Samatta gets off very lightly.
Davis tries but never looks like scoring.
Throw into the mix our weekly defensive bollock drop and there you go.
As others have said after we missed why not shore up the defence with some fresh legs, we could still make 3 subs.
The critical thing with Both Wes and Samatta is that very few strikers come into this country or league and hit the ground running (unless you are paying absolute top brass). it is an absolute failing at the top of our club that we didnt invest in a proven goalscorer that wouldnt need time to settle. Dwight Gale, Danny Ings, Olivier Giroud, someone of that ilk. We gave our big investment time and he really looked like he was starting to come good then gets injured and we made the same mistake again with Samatta. Thats whats done for us.
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The stat that flashed up about us conceding the most goals in the last 15 mins is telling. We lack fitness and resoluteness.
All in all I thought we played well, plenty of threat despite Samatta being a passenger. Some managers get lucky wins, Dean doesn’t. Ever.
I suppose one of the many pissers is that midfield doesn’t look bad at all when all are performing close to what we know they are capable of, they will all have other offers to go elsewhere. We might struggle to shift the forwards.
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Just compare our approach to the game to Bournemouth at City, when for the last ten minutes Bournemouth threw everything they had at City. You'd never know from Dean Smith's actions that we were staring into the abyss of relegation.
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We didn’t need to throw everything at them for the last ten minutes. Just keep the ball.
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I have just watched their goal again. Hourihane didn't get within two metres of Gomes to stop the cross and El Ghastly and Elmo stood and watched. Dean Smith has the temerity to dig Konsa out for not keeping the ball off the line. Tool. It was a fantastic cross but should have been stopped. Lazy defending.
There were numerous times when crosses were coming in seemingly without any real intent from our players to stop them. Targett and Jack in particular. They seemed to be standing of their wide players. Their goal resulted from this as did the Calvert Lewis miss
Unfortunately I think the young and nimble Arsenal players will be too much for us next week
And yet, apparently we have got better through the season!
That’s a crazy statement from DS given our results. If I made a patently untrue statement like that at work I’d be given pelters. We have got so much worse since December Man U away
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I would hope that irrespective of the outcome, the management team is history once the last ball has been kicked. We've been appalling - not 2015/16 appalling - but appalling none the less.
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Just compare our approach to the game to Bournemouth at City, when for the last ten minutes Bournemouth threw everything they had at City. You'd never know from Dean Smith's actions that we were staring into the abyss of relegation.
Despite Bournemouth’s position I think they have better players and a far more experienced manager than DS. The Leicester result and the confidence it brings may yet keep them up. If we can’t stay up I would rather Watford go down than Bournemouth. That would keep Deeney and the Ostrich quiet for a bit
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Why didn’t Reina try and save it? His responsibility as keeper to fling himself at it not a back peddling Konsa.
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Just compare our approach to the game to Bournemouth at City, when for the last ten minutes Bournemouth threw everything they had at City. You'd never know from Dean Smith's actions that we were staring into the abyss of relegation.
They were 2-0 down though and had nothing to lose.
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Just compare our approach to the game to Bournemouth at City, when for the last ten minutes Bournemouth threw everything they had at City. You'd never know from Dean Smith's actions that we were staring into the abyss of relegation.
They were 2-0 down though and had nothing to lose.
Correct but we didn’t see much fight from our lot in the last 10 mins when we were losing
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Yesterday?
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Dont think a lack of effort can be labelled at us from yesterdays games. Once again simply story of our season, all fart and no shit at the end of it.
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I've just watched the highlights and to be fair to AEG it does look as though he was looking at the ball rather than worrying about Pickford. So maybe not a bottler but still a fucking useless attempt at burying a simple chance.
Not all his fault we sat back too much last 15, Targett gave Wallcott a free header and Konsa miskicked before it went over the line.
Problem is we seem unable to concentrate and avoid schoolboy errors for a full 90 minutes.
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I thought Targett had a really decent second half yesterday but I did notice that he was coming to much into the middle at times.
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I thought Targett had a really decent second half yesterday but I did notice that he was coming to much into the middle at times.
Which is a managerial tactic and why we are woeful at blocking crosses
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Not all his fault we sat back too much last 15, Targett gave Wallcott a free header and Konsa miskicked before it went over the line.
Had crowds still been allowed at matches, that's the point at which the Everton fans would, rightly, have sung "That's why you're going down" at us.
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I thought Targett had a really decent second half yesterday but I did notice that he was coming to much into the middle at times.
The early cross caught him by surprise. When it came in he didn't know where Walcott was. It was still a superb header though. Reina can't back pedal anymore but even at his peak I don't think he would have got back. Would have been a miracle clearance from Konsa on the line to get it out.
The defending for their chance a few minutes earlier was a lot worse. Konsa seemed to slip on a banana skin under no pressure. Their midfielder got into that position with no challenge from Hourihane or Luiz. At that stage, we just lacked the composure and confidence to see it out. Maybe another change or two could have helped kill the clock but taking off a leader like Elmo then would have been a tough call.
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A bad miss from El Ghazi but for me the blame - as in so many games is with the manager. Everyone knows that We are inclined to sit back after scoring and all he had to do was restructure or even just remotivate the players but he has learned absolutely nothing. Unacceptable and for me zero confidence he will learn if kept on
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Just compare our approach to the game to Bournemouth at City, when for the last ten minutes Bournemouth threw everything they had at City. You'd never know from Dean Smith's actions that we were staring into the abyss of relegation.
They were 2-0 down though and had nothing to lose.
Except goal difference, something that they managed to defend whilst having a go.
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A bad miss from El Ghazi but for me the blame - as in so many games is with the manager. Everyone knows that We are inclined to sit back after scoring and all he had to do was restructure or even just remotivate the players but he has learned absolutely nothing. Unacceptable and for me zero confidence he will learn if kept on
But we weren't sitting back. El Ghazi missed a sitter to make it 2-0.
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El Ghazi scores and we win the game. Smith gets the plaudits he’d have earned and we are all bang up for the rest of this season.
He doesn’t, so we’re all gutted. I’m afraid this one may be AEG’s legacy, despite what he did at Wembley last year.
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Lest we forget or rewrite history, his goal at Wembley was a mistimed header that went in off his shoulder.
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Lest we forget or rewrite history, his goal at Wembley was a mistimed header that went in off his shoulder.
And?
Lest we forget the greatest moment in our history was a shank off a shin.
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I don't have a problem with El Ghazi missing that chance.... Better strikers have missed sitters than him.
What I find unforgiveable is allowing Theo Walcott a free header at the back post when the defense should have been in full lockdown with minutes to go. Matty Targett offers more at LB going forward, but he's fucking atrocious at the back - HE cost us that game, not El Ghazi imo. Everton weren't in it, and throwing those 2 points has pretty much cost us our Premier League status I reckon.
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I don't have a problem with El Ghazi missing that chance.... Better strikers have missed sitters than him.
What I find unforgiveable is allowing Theo Walcott a free header at the back post when the defense should have been in full lockdown with minutes to go. Matty Targett offers more at LB going forward, but he's fucking atrocious at the back - HE cost us that game, not El Ghazi imo. Everton weren't in it, and throwing those 2 points has pretty much cost us our Premier League status I reckon.
Not for me. AEG puts that away, as any decent striker should, and we almost certainly take home 3 points. If he does, the Walcott chance never happens.
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Lest we forget or rewrite history, his goal at Wembley was a mistimed header that went in off his shoulder.
And?
Lest we forget the greatest moment in our history was a shank off a shin.
Blasphemy! Withey said he meant it. Certainly looked like that from where I was standing.
As for El Ghazi, he's had a free pass for his Wembley goal for far too long. His contributions since he's been with us have been generally one decent thing per game. He then disappears. I'm not accusing him for bottling the chance yesterday, I just don't think he's very good.
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Disappointed with the draw we could have won that.
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I don't have a problem with El Ghazi missing that chance.... Better strikers have missed sitters than him.
What I find unforgiveable is allowing Theo Walcott a free header at the back post when the defense should have been in full lockdown with minutes to go. Matty Targett offers more at LB going forward, but he's fucking atrocious at the back - HE cost us that game, not El Ghazi imo. Everton weren't in it, and throwing those 2 points has pretty much cost us our Premier League status I reckon.
Not for me. AEG puts that away, as any decent striker should, and we almost certainly take home 3 points. If he does, the Walcott chance never happens.
Agreed, if he’d been braver he wold have just let it hit him and bundled it in.
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I’d have backed myself to score from there.
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I have just watched their goal again. Hourihane didn't get within two metres of Gomes to stop the cross and El Ghastly and Elmo stood and watched. Dean Smith has the temerity to dig Konsa out for not keeping the ball off the line. Tool. It was a fantastic cross but should have been stopped. Lazy defending.
There were numerous times when crosses were coming in seemingly without any real intent from our players to stop them. Targett and Jack in particular. They seemed to be standing of their wide players. Their goal resulted from this as did the Calvert Lewis miss
Unfortunately I think the young and nimble Arsenal players will be too much for us next week
Allowing crosses to come in too easily has been a problem all season. That has to be down to the coaching staff for me, not full backs.
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El Ghazi has far more talent Than Trez so if he is wondering why he's behind him in the pecking order he can just look back on that miss. For all his shortcomings he would have finished that no problems.
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El Ghazi does miss a few sitters to be fair , in other games it hadnt mattered but this one did. El Ghazi and Trez should never be starting in a prem team .
Still bloody gutted today , a game we should never have drew.
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I’m still gutted, but then there’s a lot of over analysis on here which is understandable given where we are in the league. But however crap Everton look, they haven’t lost at home since Ancelotti took over in November and I thought we outplayed them for most of the game.
I just hope the team aren’t in the mentality that this is over. A draw and a win from our last two games might still be enough
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I've had time to sleep on this calm down and take a more measured look at the performance. The only conclusion I can draw is that they're a massive bunch of ******.
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This one hit me hard. I know I shouldn't expect more but just to hold on for a few minutes more. For Targett to pick up that cross before it got to Walcott, for El Ghazi to put in his chance. For Samatta to put away that header (something were told is a strength of his). Yes that was an improved performance but given the dross we've had to ensure this season that isn't saying a lot. If only it had come sooner. Now we're all but down and I've resigned myself to several more years in the cesspit of the second division - it'll always be that, never the "championship".
Part of the pride? My arse. This lot have no idea what it means.
If nothing else, writing this has been therapeutic to me. Sorry if it comes across as a stream of consciousness but I'm very pissed off.
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Right with you mate, we all are. If we fail to overcome the deficit from here and (as looks increasingly likely) drop, I think the gut wrenching pain of last night will take a hell of a lot of shifting. A proper boot up the bollocks that was.
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As bad as El Ghazi's miss was, we were still winning 0-1 after it and should have been capable of seeing the game out.
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Right with you mate, we all are. If we fail to overcome the deficit from here and (as looks increasingly likely) drop, I think the gut wrenching pain of last night will take a hell of a lot of shifting. A proper boot up the bollocks that was.
I, a committed atheist, found myself mouthing a little prayer maybe no more than a minute before the goal, promising to be a better man if we could just hold on.
So to conclude, either God doesn't exist, or he's a Bluenose wanker and he can get in the fucking sea.
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Right with you mate, we all are. If we fail to overcome the deficit from here and (as looks increasingly likely) drop, I think the gut wrenching pain of last night will take a hell of a lot of shifting. A proper boot up the bollocks that was.
I, a committed atheist, found myself mouthing a little prayer maybe no more than a minute before the goal, promising to be a better man if we could just hold on.
So to conclude, either God doesn't exist, or he's a Bluenose wanker and he can get in the fucking sea.
Most likely it's because you're irredeemable.
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That miss, that equaliser, have potentially condemned the club to years of football in the Championship. Win last night and I would have really believed we stay up. Unfortunately it's going to be so difficult for the players to pick themselves up after that. Fine margins but somehow inevitable with the lack of character in the team. Still gutted..
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Right with you mate, we all are. If we fail to overcome the deficit from here and (as looks increasingly likely) drop, I think the gut wrenching pain of last night will take a hell of a lot of shifting. A proper boot up the bollocks that was.
I, a committed atheist, found myself mouthing a little prayer maybe no more than a minute before the goal, promising to be a better man if we could just hold on.
So to conclude, either God doesn't exist, or he's a Bluenose wanker and he can get in the fucking sea.
Most likely it's because you're irredeemable.
I hadn't considered that. Anyway, I'll sacrifice a goat to Satan for Arsenal, see if that works.
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El Ghazi scores and we win the game. Smith gets the plaudits he’d have earned and we are all bang up for the rest of this season.
He doesn’t, so we’re all gutted. I’m afraid this one may be AEG’s legacy, despite what he did at Wembley last year.
Yep, very fine margins which is why last night's result is a killer. Was an unbelievable ball in from Grealish too, took about 3 or 4 defenders and the keeper out of the game. Simply had to be scored from there.
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I still can't understand why he didn't go for it with his head? Easy goal.
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AEG was offside in the build up to the goal. Even if he had scored then we would prob be discussing our latest VAR hatred
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El Ghazi scores and we win the game. Smith gets the plaudits he’d have earned and we are all bang up for the rest of this season.
He doesn’t, so we’re all gutted. I’m afraid this one may be AEG’s legacy, despite what he did at Wembley last year.
Yep, very fine margins which is why last night's result is a killer. Was an unbelievable ball in from Grealish too, took about 3 or 4 defenders and the keeper out of the game. Simply had to be scored from there.
I thought the same... that ball was pinpoint to El Ghazi's foot. Absolute stunner of a cross from Jack, which deserved to be tucked away.
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I have just watched their goal again. Hourihane didn't get within two metres of Gomes to stop the cross and El Ghastly and Elmo stood and watched. Dean Smith has the temerity to dig Konsa out for not keeping the ball off the line. Tool. It was a fantastic cross but should have been stopped. Lazy defending.
There were numerous times when crosses were coming in seemingly without any real intent from our players to stop them. Targett and Jack in particular. They seemed to be standing of their wide players. Their goal resulted from this as did the Calvert Lewis miss
Unfortunately I think the young and nimble Arsenal players will be too much for us next week
Allowing crosses to come in too easily has been a problem all season. That has to be down to the coaching staff for me, not full backs.
That is on your coaching and tactical instructions. Our defenders are narrow, within the width of the penalty area leaving the midfield to stop crosses coming in. With wide men like Wl Ghazi and Trezeguet, not the most diligent of players, we are on thin ice here.
This first struck me in the home game v Burnley in September and has been a feature all season.
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All the talk of El Ghazi's miss is a red herring. We were winning at the time not drawing.
We have had trouble seeing games out throughout the season, from the first game in fact and I am sure that good coaching would tell players to stay down if you get a knock, push out and don't go deeper and deeper.
This can be coached. We have been too nice, too naive.
Ultimately though how many Premier League quality players do we have?
Grealish, Mings, Mcginn, Heaton, Douglas Luiz......
That's it. It was always going to be tough. In the heady expectations of promotion we all hoped for mid-table, top 8 but a relegation struggle was always more likely.
And the recruitment has been very poor.
Whatever happens next season we will have funds to rebuild.
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That miss, that equaliser, have potentially condemned the club to years of football in the Championship. Win last night and I would have really believed we stay up. Unfortunately it's going to be so difficult for the players to pick themselves up after that. Fine margins but somehow inevitable with the lack of character in the team. Still gutted..
Years of football in the championship? I don't see it that way at all. We are far better equipped to bounce back than the last time we were relegated. Of course we'll be losing players but I believe we'll in a much stronger position to bounce straight back. There isn't the utter stench around the club that there was in 2016. (that's if we go down of course)
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That miss, that equaliser, have potentially condemned the club to years of football in the Championship. Win last night and I would have really believed we stay up. Unfortunately it's going to be so difficult for the players to pick themselves up after that. Fine margins but somehow inevitable with the lack of character in the team. Still gutted..
Years of football in the championship? I don't see it that way at all. We are far better equipped to bounce back than the last time we were relegated. Of course we'll be losing players but I believe we'll in a much stronger position to bounce straight back. There isn't the utter stench around the club that there was in 2016. (that's if we go down of course)
Bit sobering tonight that Leeds have been out the top flight for 16 years. I have to disagree with the above post that we are well equipped to bounce back if we go down this time.
Just don't see anything in what will be left after the inevitable gutting of the side if we do go down being equipped for the Championship. They won't have the stomach for it for one and think it more likely that we would be in for an extended stay again.
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That miss, that equaliser, have potentially condemned the club to years of football in the Championship. Win last night and I would have really believed we stay up. Unfortunately it's going to be so difficult for the players to pick themselves up after that. Fine margins but somehow inevitable with the lack of character in the team. Still gutted..
Years of football in the championship? I don't see it that way at all. We are far better equipped to bounce back than the last time we were relegated. Of course we'll be losing players but I believe we'll in a much stronger position to bounce straight back. There isn't the utter stench around the club that there was in 2016. (that's if we go down of course)
Bit sobering tonight that Leeds have been out the top flight for 16 years. I have to disagree with the above post that we are well equipped to bounce back if we go down this time.
Just don't see anything in what will be left after the inevitable gutting of the side if we do go down being equipped for the Championship. They won't have the stomach for it for one and think it more likely that we would be in for an extended stay again.
Part of the reason Leeds were down for so long was that they owed a nine-figure sum when they got relegated. Another part is that a few years later they went into administration and were subsequently relegated to division three. Then there was the succession of batshit owners that meant Manager of the Month had an entirely new meaning. None of this applies to us.
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That miss, that equaliser, have potentially condemned the club to years of football in the Championship. Win last night and I would have really believed we stay up. Unfortunately it's going to be so difficult for the players to pick themselves up after that. Fine margins but somehow inevitable with the lack of character in the team. Still gutted..
Years of football in the championship? I don't see it that way at all. We are far better equipped to bounce back than the last time we were relegated. Of course we'll be losing players but I believe we'll in a much stronger position to bounce straight back. There isn't the utter stench around the club that there was in 2016. (that's if we go down of course)
Bit sobering tonight that Leeds have been out the top flight for 16 years. I have to disagree with the above post that we are well equipped to bounce back if we go down this time.
Just don't see anything in what will be left after the inevitable gutting of the side if we do go down being equipped for the Championship. They won't have the stomach for it for one and think it more likely that we would be in for an extended stay again.
If these owners are as good as most say they are they'll make the correct decisions to get us back up first time just as Mike fecking Ashley did for Newcastle in 2016.
That year we came down in a right state and then had Xia throwing money around recklessly yet we still made the play off final within two years (yes I know it nearly went to s*** straight after).
I don't even think the championship will be that strong next year and most clubs will be in financial issues. Some could well be starting next season with points deductions aswell (Wigan and Sheff Weds). I expect us to bounce back first time.
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I think it depends entirely on whether we remove the stink of defeat and feel sorry for ourselves. I think Boro, Stoke, Swansea will all pick up and the Championship will be just as tough as it always is. Our recruitment will be even more important then as it was last summer! We seem to have largely screwed that up and can't afford to do it again. At least it won't be a complete overhaul.
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As tough as this season has been, there will still be a few players in the side next season who went through our promotion push and don't need to dig into the well too deeply to recall how to win on a consistent basis.
We've seen in the past with Burnleh and other sides that relegation in that scenario doesn't need to be as traumatic.
Whereas our side that went down last time was circling the drain for years - barely scraping ten wins from the McLeish to the Sherwood era and going down with a pitiful three wins in 15/16. You don't go from only three wins one season to the required 25+ for a successful promotion campaign the next.
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As tough as this season has been, there will still be a few players in the side next season who went through our promotion push and don't need to dig into the well too deeply to recall how to win on a consistent basis.
We've seen in the past with Burnleh and other sides that relegation in that scenario doesn't need to be as traumatic.
Whereas our side that went down last time was circling the drain for years - barely scraping ten wins from the McLeish to the Sherwood era and going down with a pitiful three wins in 15/16. You don't go from only three wins one season to the required 25+ for a successful promotion campaign the next.
agreed totally. and the fact next season is literally round the corner will also help - not much time to wallow in the pain, it'll be back to winning regularly and with the right additions, we will be very strong next year.
As the great man said, want to bet against us!
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How is it literally around the corner?
Maybe just around the corner.
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That miss, that equaliser, have potentially condemned the club to years of football in the Championship. Win last night and I would have really believed we stay up. Unfortunately it's going to be so difficult for the players to pick themselves up after that. Fine margins but somehow inevitable with the lack of character in the team. Still gutted..
Years of football in the championship? I don't see it that way at all. We are far better equipped to bounce back than the last time we were relegated. Of course we'll be losing players but I believe we'll in a much stronger position to bounce straight back. There isn't the utter stench around the club that there was in 2016. (that's if we go down of course)
Bit sobering tonight that Leeds have been out the top flight for 16 years. I have to disagree with the above post that we are well equipped to bounce back if we go down this time.
Just don't see anything in what will be left after the inevitable gutting of the side if we do go down being equipped for the Championship. They won't have the stomach for it for one and think it more likely that we would be in for an extended stay again.
If these owners are as good as most say they are they'll make the correct decisions to get us back up first time just as Mike fecking Ashley did for Newcastle in 2016.
That year we came down in a right state and then had Xia throwing money around recklessly yet we still made the play off final within two years (yes I know it nearly went to s*** straight after).
I don't even think the championship will be that strong next year and most clubs will be in financial issues. Some could well be starting next season with points deductions aswell (Wigan and Sheff Weds). I expect us to bounce back first time.
Season Newcastle went down they sold 87mil worth of players and spent 57mil ( inc 5 mil on Clark from us ) .22mil was spent on Matt Ritchie and Dwight Gayle who scored 35 goals between them both Prem league players who dropped down a league , which is interesting as in the same position we spent money on championship level players
What also interesting is that they really didn't keep the team that went down , they had to rebuild.I noticed today Fulham only have 4 players playing today who were in the relegation team.So I'm not sure the idea we can maybe only sell Jack and keep rest of the team is that feasible.
What Newcastle certainly had in their favour was an exp manager in Rafa still they won the league by 1 point from Houghton's Brighton who spent significantly less.The 2 things they had in common a strikers who got over 20 goals and a MF in double figures for goals.
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Does anyone on here know anything about one of our subs, Kane Hayden?
I know we've got a couple of centre-backs out, so I was expecting Mungo Bridge to get a place.
Kane Hayden? Never even heard of him!!