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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Holy Trinity on July 11, 2020, 02:43:39 PM
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As todays results have sadly all but relegated us and with it we will day good bye to some of our better players.
The question is now who is the future of Aston Villa short term.
I think we will lose the below players.
Mings (money back- small profit)
Jack (75million ish)
Sir John (50 ish maybe)
Trez
El ghazi
Some other fringe players will leave so who is going to step up to stop us wasting another 100 million.
Archer, Ramsey & Barry I think will all play a reasonable part for us next season but my knowledge beyond then is not great and I'm sat here wondering who is available in the youth set up that will be our next grealish/agbonlahor?
Anybody with a greater knowledge of our youth team have a straw for me to cling to whilst I'm playing fifa pretending we are still a European superpower.
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You can add Luiz to that list.
Trez and Al Ghazi, I hope so.
It’s a complete rebuild, we are likely to be punished under FFP, we have no idea what the owners will want to do. No idea who out of CEO DOF and Head Coach remain.
So the future?
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In my head Luiz was only a fancy loan to help city get him a work permit. I don't think this relegation will be anywhere near as disastrous as the first one.
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Unless something very drastic changes I can see us being a yo-yo club for the forseeable.
If, and it's a big if, we get back up we won't come up with such fanfare and optimism as we did last time. This season's experience will haunt us & we will have fallen further behind your teams like Burnley, etc.
They really cocked this up and I am so livid.
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I'm not convinced anyone will pay 50m for McGinn, based on both form and financial climate.
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Considering how little he cost I could see them accepting £15m as a good deal.
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Really not as worried as last time. FFP is covered by jack, we should be getting enough money from sales in to cover our losses at least for a while and allowing us to replace those leaving with decent championship level players. Squad isnt full of old men on massive wages we can't shift. Core of the squad is good enough for the championship, and those unproven will either be moved on or make the grade. Hopefully we'll come back with a squad where our best players aren't gonna go back to their parent club when we get promoted.
#keepthefaith.
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The form of our supposed ‘prize assets’ since the restart will have a big impact on their value imo (and relegation obviously!).
Regardless of our owners’ wealth, we’ll probably still need to get those big earners off the books to adhere to FFP, which is where I can see prem clubs squeezing us for a bargain or two.
It’s a travesty of our own making. 😔
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Been as our owners are filthy rich and we will get a parachute payment. Why would we be looking to sell all our best players?
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The EFL are suing Derby based on the same accounting period we revalued the ground, I think we may have a problem.
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Considering how little he cost I could see them accepting £15m as a good deal.
I can’t
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Once we're (mathematically) down, I want the owners to release an official statement of their future intentions regarding Aston Villa and their plan to deal with this unmitigated disaster of a season for the club.
Everyone concerned at the Club had one job to do this season. One job. It was to keep us up!
I also want our local media and the various supporters' groups, etc to ask the right questions too.
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The EFL are suing Derby based on the same accounting period we revalued the ground, I think we may have a problem.
Be interesting what happens to FFP as a result of the Covid situation. There’s going to be financial carnage in the championship and below that’s for sure.
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I don't see any point in such statements. Any statement will piss off just as many people as it mollifies, anyway.
They need to start the planning for the future as soon as the season is over. Sack Smith and Terry, appoint a manager with the ability to not just get us promoted, but make us competitive in the Premier League.
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The EFL are suing Derby based on the same accounting period we revalued the ground, I think we may have a problem.
Be interesting what happens to FFP as a result of the Covid situation. There’s going to be financial carnage in the championship and below that’s for sure.
Agree, the suggestion is that Derby and us broke the rules then and we escaped by promotion.
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The EFL are suing Derby based on the same accounting period we revalued the ground, I think we may have a problem.
Be interesting what happens to FFP as a result of the Covid situation. There’s going to be financial carnage in the championship and below that’s for sure.
Quite. How can you penalise a club who bought players on the basis they'd be getting a set amount of match day revenue to balance the books
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Sack Smith and Terry, appoint a manager with the ability to not just get us promoted, but make us competitive in the Premier League.
Exactly right. Yes, Dean got us up, which was great. But now it seems he's taking us down again. People go on about stability but that's not stability, it's instability.
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Think back to August. It was so positive.
I felt sure we’d be good enough to finish around 14/15th and build from there.
This is devastating. 2015/16 was a culmination of circling the drain for years, this season was about us continuing to progress. Everything was set, people in the right positions of power at the club.
Now look at us. Back down without even breaking sweat.
I genuinely don’t know where we go from here. Everyone referenced Sunderland last time out, who’s to say it couldn’t happen this time. We have a losing mentality, we just accept it.
Massive decisions over the next few weeks to make sure that doesn’t happen.
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Future depends on so many things. Still a lot of support for Smith but keeping him would just extend the losing mentality IMO. We have rich owners but FFP somewhat neutralises that advantage.
Ok, I give up, no idea. We could become another Sunderland but my gut says we’ll hover around mid table in the Championship for a few years or until at last, at long last, we appoint a really good manager.
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The EFL are suing Derby based on the same accounting period we revalued the ground, I think we may have a problem.
Be interesting what happens to FFP as a result of the Covid situation. There’s going to be financial carnage in the championship and below that’s for sure.
Agree, the suggestion is that Derby and us broke the rules then and we escaped by promotion.
Not true. They signed off our accounts prior to promotion.
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Plus Jacks sales alone (as he’s an academy player) will cover 2 seasons of FFP ‘hole’ in a oner
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Future depends on so many things. Still a lot of support for Smith but keeping him would just extend the losing mentality IMO. We have rich owners but FFP somewhat neutralises that advantage.
Ok, I give up, no idea. We could become another Sunderland but my gut says we’ll hover around mid table in the Championship for a few years or until at last, at long last, we appoint a really good manager.
Building a solid team can take time. It's easy to say, maybe we came up a year too early. And yes, we had to rely on loan players, but that doesn't help the promoted team gel in the new league.
At least we won't be playing Leeds next year.
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Been as our owners are filthy rich and we will get a parachute payment. Why would we be looking to sell all our best players?
Exactly! the biggest issue this season was failing to gel a host of new players. sell the spine again and we are faced with 2016 transition season again. Really we just need one more centre half and a striker.
Keep all the big names and walk the championship without losing a game.
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Been as our owners are filthy rich and we will get a parachute payment. Why would we be looking to sell all our best players?
Exactly! the biggest issue this season was failing to gel a host of new players. sell the spine again and we are faced with 2016 transition season again. Really we just need one more centre half and a striker.
Keep all the big names and walk the championship without losing a game.
And a new manager.
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This lot are lucky the stadiums are empty
When we went down to the Third I remember a gallows humour and we are all in it together vibe.
Last home game Vs Sheff Utd, 32,000 and the Holte end defiantly singing , " if Villa do go down, we all go down together"
we had won 3 of our last 5 including beating the rags at the sty
Doubt if the crowd would have the same sentiment today, for some of this lot.
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For me the owners need to make a big statement by ditching Smith and bringing in a manager who will make everyone sit up and think "Christ, the Villa mean business with that appointment".
As much as it hurts me to say it but are we really still considered to be a "big club" ? - Not beating Manure at home for 25 years is pathetic
Not winning the FA Cup for 63 years is pathetic (Even Coventry and Wigan have managed to do it ), not being able to outpoint Bournemouth, Burnley, Brighton , Watford is pathetic, recruitment this season path.... you know the rest
Its been said numerous times on here … why the hell did we not go out and buy a forward line that can actually score goals
I'm trying hard to be optimistic but I'm beginning to question some of the decisions and appointments by our owners...… whilst we may have been promoted "too soon" the least expected was for the club to hang onto its top flight status ….. the attempt to do so has been ……..yes, you've guessed - Fucking Pathetic
UTV :)
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Been as our owners are filthy rich and we will get a parachute payment. Why would we be looking to sell all our best players?
Exactly! the biggest issue this season was failing to gel a host of new players. sell the spine again and we are faced with 2016 transition season again. Really we just need one more centre half and a striker.
Keep all the big names and walk the championship without losing a game.
And a new manager.
This team isnt walking the championship even with 2 additions.
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Get someone like Dwight Gayle-type and that Brewster on loan and it wouldn't take a genius to get us promoted as champions. Obviously depending on how many players we lose.
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The future is dark and full of pain.
Apologies, I haven't taken this morning's results well.
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Am I correct in saying that the next season kicks off on September 12th? If so, that gives us a 6 week turnaround and Villa's hierarchy had better get their skates on, unless the new manager is already lined up and we are working behind the scenes on transfers for both the Prem and the Championship, although it looks pretty inevitable now. Business needs to be done quickly.
I think we really need a lift. The players, the fans, the whole club. This is the only way they will get rid of the smell of defeat. A Manager who can get the best out of the players who end up staying and add a couple of clued up players with experience of the Championship.
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Been as our owners are filthy rich and we will get a parachute payment. Why would we be looking to sell all our best players?
Exactly! the biggest issue this season was failing to gel a host of new players. sell the spine again and we are faced with 2016 transition season again. Really we just need one more centre half and a striker.
Keep all the big names and walk the championship without losing a game.
And a new manager.
I’m betting that this will not happen. We may hold on to a couple of the good ones but the really rated ones will be sold I expect.
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Get someone like Dwight Gayle-type and that Brewster on loan and it wouldn't take a genius to get us promoted as champions. Obviously depending on how many players we lose.
Loan to buys only for me. We’ve learned the hard way about loans.
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You won't attract the required standard of striker in the Championship on a permanent deal. Any permanent deal therefore creates the problem of having to get rid once you get promoted.
The problem wasn't getting Abraham on loan, it was replacing him with someone who was not good enough. It is impossible to get a good enough squad together within the limits of Championship FFP without loaning players. That's why every promotion hopeful loans players.
The good news is we shouldn't need to loan nearly so many players next time. Getting a new Abraham on loan would be a no-brainer, though, if such a player was available.
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For me the owners need to make a big statement by ditching Smith and bringing in a manager who will make everyone sit up and think "Christ, the Villa mean business with that appointment".
As much as it hurts me to say it but are we really still considered to be a "big club" ? - Not beating Manure at home for 25 years is pathetic
Not winning the FA Cup for 63 years is pathetic (Even Coventry and Wigan have managed to do it ), not being able to outpoint Bournemouth, Burnley, Brighton , Watford is pathetic, recruitment this season path.... you know the rest
Its been said numerous times on here … why the hell did we not go out and buy a forward line that can actually score goals
I'm trying hard to be optimistic but I'm beginning to question some of the decisions and appointments by our owners...… whilst we may have been promoted "too soon" the least expected was for the club to hang onto its top flight status ….. the attempt to do so has been ……..yes, you've guessed - Fucking Pathetic
UTV :)
Absolutely. We can close this thread now.
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McGinn won't go for £50m and the club may even resist selling him.
We'll cash in JG and Mings, and we may be forced into selling Luiz and Wes. We'll offload some of the deadwood in the squad - Ange, Taylor, Trez, and possibly Engels.
The new manager will have to know the market well and bring in some inexpensive players with the potential to grow into EPL players in a year or two. And, he'll have to understand how to integrate the best of our younger players into the matchday squad.
The biggest question of the moment is: what was Purslow's thinking about not pulling the trigger in December or February?
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Criminal by Purslow. Up their with the stupid decisions of all time.Even a small new manager bounce could have kept us up. It was worth taking the risk rather than stagnating under Smith's regime.
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You won't attract the required standard of striker in the Championship on a permanent deal. Any permanent deal therefore creates the problem of having to get rid once you get promoted.
The problem wasn't getting Abraham on loan, it was replacing him with someone who was not good enough. It is impossible to get a good enough squad together within the limits of Championship FFP without loaning players. That's why every promotion hopeful loans players.
The good news is we shouldn't need to loan nearly so many players next time. Getting a new Abraham on loan would be a no-brainer, though, if such a player was available.
But it hasnt been a lack of goals (until the last few weeks) that been our problem. For three quarters of the season, it was the fact we have had to get two in every game to get any points. We’ve still scored more than Sheffield United.
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Just make it all stop, somebody. Why can’t we just have nice things?
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You won't attract the required standard of striker in the Championship on a permanent deal. Any permanent deal therefore creates the problem of having to get rid once you get promoted.
The problem wasn't getting Abraham on loan, it was replacing him with someone who was not good enough. It is impossible to get a good enough squad together within the limits of Championship FFP without loaning players. That's why every promotion hopeful loans players.
The good news is we shouldn't need to loan nearly so many players next time. Getting a new Abraham on loan would be a no-brainer, though, if such a player was available.
Getting rid of Samatta and Wes for £ and replacing them with Lyle Taylor (free) and Ivan Toney £8m and having
Toney, Taylor, Davis, Barry
I don’t think both Wes and Samatta will leave though. Maybe just the one
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Once we're (mathematically) down, I want the owners to release an official statement of their future intentions regarding Aston Villa and their plan to deal with this unmitigated disaster of a season for the club.
Then it will be 'don't tell me, show me.'
We'll learn a lot by their actions in the shortened pre season. I'm more interested in that than statements and PR pieces.
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We could still win 3 or 4 of our next fixtures. Miracles do happen.
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We could still win 3 or 4 of our next fixtures. Miracles do happen.
7 points adrift is huge. Plus the teams we are chasing will no doubt pick up additional points- for a start, Watford and West Ham play each other next.
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We might give Scott Hogan another try.
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I'm not convinced anyone will pay 50m for McGinn, based on both form and financial climate.
Agreed. £20m tops which is a nice profit.
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Future depends on so many things. Still a lot of support for Smith but keeping him would just extend the losing mentality IMO. We have rich owners but FFP somewhat neutralises that advantage.
Ok, I give up, no idea. We could become another Sunderland but my gut says we’ll hover around mid table in the Championship for a few years or until at last, at long last, we appoint a really good manager.
Building a solid team can take time. It's easy to say, maybe we came up a year too early. And yes, we had to rely on loan players, but that doesn't help the promoted team gel in the new league.
At least we won't be playing Leeds next year.
I don't think we can hide behind coming up too early. It was about time after already losing a play off final. If anyone can claim to have risen too quickly it is Sheffield United who went from League One to the Premier League. But look how well they have adapted to the top flight despite spending peanuts compared to Villa.
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For me the owners need to make a big statement by ditching Smith and bringing in a manager who will make everyone sit up and think "Christ, the Villa mean business with that appointment".
As much as it hurts me to say it but are we really still considered to be a "big club" ? - Not beating Manure at home for 25 years is pathetic
Not winning the FA Cup for 63 years is pathetic (Even Coventry and Wigan have managed to do it ), not being able to outpoint Bournemouth, Burnley, Brighton , Watford is pathetic, recruitment this season path.... you know the rest
Its been said numerous times on here … why the hell did we not go out and buy a forward line that can actually score goals
I'm trying hard to be optimistic but I'm beginning to question some of the decisions and appointments by our owners...… whilst we may have been promoted "too soon" the least expected was for the club to hang onto its top flight status ….. the attempt to do so has been ……..yes, you've guessed - Fucking Pathetic
UTV :)
Your stats do indeed put into perspective we aren’t a big club any longer and haven’t been for a long time
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Future depends on so many things. Still a lot of support for Smith but keeping him would just extend the losing mentality IMO. We have rich owners but FFP somewhat neutralises that advantage.
Ok, I give up, no idea. We could become another Sunderland but my gut says we’ll hover around mid table in the Championship for a few years or until at last, at long last, we appoint a really good manager.
Get a good manager in and we will be straight back up
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The question is now who is the future of Aston Villa short term.
Archer, Ramsey & Barry I think will all play a reasonable part for us next season but my knowledge beyond then is not great and I'm sat here wondering who is available in the youth set up that will be our next grealish/agbonlahor?
Along with Vassilev I think we will be seeing those you mention being introduced gradually throughout next season, hopefully with a manager/coach who knows how to integrate them effectively.
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You won't attract the required standard of striker in the Championship on a permanent deal. Any permanent deal therefore creates the problem of having to get rid once you get promoted.
The problem wasn't getting Abraham on loan, it was replacing him with someone who was not good enough. It is impossible to get a good enough squad together within the limits of Championship FFP without loaning players. That's why every promotion hopeful loans players.
The good news is we shouldn't need to loan nearly so many players next time. Getting a new Abraham on loan would be a no-brainer, though, if such a player was available.
Getting rid of Samatta and Wes for £ and replacing them with Lyle Taylor (free) and Ivan Toney £8m and having
Toney, Taylor, Davis, Barry
I don’t think both Wes and Samatta will leave though. Maybe just the one
Wes won’t go til Jan at the earliest after his injury
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I know we had a plan A and plan B as we approached the last third of last season.
I hope we’ve got a plan B now.
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I think we will get a good steer on how the owners view the setback via the Academy, we took a lot of highly rated people from WBA last year, if they start migrating back when we swap places that might be an indication on if funds for the plan remain in place.
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Future depends on so many things. Still a lot of support for Smith but keeping him would just extend the losing mentality IMO. We have rich owners but FFP somewhat neutralises that advantage.
Ok, I give up, no idea. We could become another Sunderland but my gut says we’ll hover around mid table in the Championship for a few years or until at last, at long last, we appoint a really good manager.
Get a good manager in and we will be straight back up
Name this good manager
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If we go down the manager has to go given the resources he was given after promotion.
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Rafa Benitez, Pochettino, Andreas Villas-Boas? those are the type of managers i imagine a couple of billionaire owners would like to be associated with.
All have PL experience, all have proven past records, , with a high profile manager, it is easier to convince better players to sign up.
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There does however, appear to be more billionaire football club owners than good managers.