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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on July 11, 2020, 11:35:51 AM
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Fwiw. 0-0 bore draw. They haven’t scored three in a game all season long but don’t give much away. We don’t score. Or a 0-1 Ayew:Benteke link up.
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We will start okay. Palace/Everton/Arsenal/West Ham will realise that we have no goal threat and grow in confidence.
They will take the lead due to a refereeing controversy/jammy deflection/piece of shit defending and that'll be that. The only question being if they settle for one-nil or go on to score two or three more.
Sorry, thought I would do all my remaining pre-match predictions in one thread to save time.
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We have the most fouled player in the league. What would every other team do? Stick him up front and get him in the penalty box as much as possible.
Reina
Guilbert Mings Hause Taylor
McGinn Nakamba Luiz Hourihan
Davis Grealish
2-0 to the villa. Two penalties scored out of 5 given. :)
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There wasn't any need for this thread and there is not a lot left that can be said about anything.
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2-0 shock win for us.
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No further comments Your Honour... 0-2 them
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I reckon this will be one of the almighty shocks of English football. We'll win 1-0.
It will be right up there alongside Woking winning at the Hawthorns.
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Start McGinn and I swear to God I'll swing for both him and Smith. The rest of our lot will be still bollock-tired and feeling sorry for themselves after Thursday night, never mind the unfit and overweight Scottish chap.
1-3 Palace will pick us off as we tire in the last twenty minutes, Terry will stand there thinking he is still so right in how Villa teams knacker themselves out. The Beast and Ayew both on the score sheet just to rub salt.
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0-2 shock win for us.
* We're at home, 2-0.
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407-0
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0-2 shock win for us.
* We're at home, 2-0.
Cheers. I've totally lost track.
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I see that JT has thrown his hat in to try to become Bristol City manager.
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Us 4 Them 1
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We have the most fouled player in the league. What would every other team do?
Learn how to take decent free kicks?
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I see that JT has thrown his hat in to try to become Bristol City manager.
Well he's done such a good job organising our defence all season that he must be a shoe in.
And as for those inspirational pre-game huddles that he instigates.... Blinding!
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0-0
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0-0
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This is it. Win or bust.
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Could easily be win and bust anyway if Watford win.
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My heart says he'll go for it and try something different in personnel or formation,. My head says same formation with Samatta or Davis up front.
0-1
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This is it. Win or bust.
Last chance saloon.
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I think the fat lady has packed her bags and fucked off.
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Pretty much a dead rubber now.
Play the kids, play the ones who will be here next season.
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I could not give a f**k any more you spineless twats.
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Who gives a shit?
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They know what to do but it’ll be just a lot of fruitless huffing and puffing before Palace sneak a late winner.
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It would be nice to show some bollocks and at least go down with a bang, I'm not holding my breath though.
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If we win our next 2 games we’ll be 1 point off both Watford and West Ham and they play each other next.
And I’m sober!
Alright I’m talking bollocks.
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Meaningless game, who cares what happens.
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When a team are on a bad run of 4 consecutive defeats, like Palace are, we must be a godsend to them.
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This is it. Win or bust.
Yep. With that in mind, we've got to at least try and get some creativity in the team. Push Grealish back out wide, play Nakamba with Luiz and give Hourihane a free role in front of them. Not CH's biggest fan at all, but at least he has a goal in him.
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The Fat Lady is practising her scales...
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This is it. Win or bust.
Yep. With that in mind, we've got to at least try and get some creativity in the team. Push Grealish back out wide, play Nakamba with Luiz and give Hourihane a free role in front of them. Not CH's biggest fan at all, but at least he has a goal in him.
yep.
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This is it. Win or bust.
Yep. With that in mind, we've got to at least try and get some creativity in the team. Push Grealish back out wide, play Nakamba with Luiz and give Hourihane a free role in front of them. Not CH's biggest fan at all, but at least he has a goal in him.
Too late mate, we are done. May as well give some game time to some youngsters or even some fans.
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When a team are on a bad run of 4 consecutive defeats, like Palace are, we must be a godsend to them.
That's 21st century Villa.
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Only a few of the U23s are training with the first team. The rest are all sat at home doing their own privately.
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Benteke and Ayew to score and a 2 nil loss, Dean to say we are not out of it yet blah blah
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Whatever the score we’ve had it now....we are exactly where we deserve to be!!!!
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Benteke and Ayew to score and a 2 nil loss, Dean to say we are not out of it yet blah blah
Remember at school when one team was hopelessly bad, so they’d be given a couple of better players to give them a chance?
Maybe Benteke and Ayew could play for us one last time.
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I wonder if someone has put money on us to win the last 4 and offered to split the winnings with the players.
#87remembered
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We'll probably win 6-1 now for the troll fest.
Benteke hat trick of own goals.
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A sad desperate 0-2 I really can’t see us getting another point
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I posted last week that it could be decided after those two matches today. Bearing in mind also the way we have been playing since the restart, nothing to suggest that I would change my mind now.
Unless a miracle on the scale of Lazarus rising from the grave should come about.
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0- 4 after a solid first 25 minutes then a complete capitulation as usual.
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With a bit of luck, at least we may not have to play Brentford next season.
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Our lot are so very lucky that Villa Park will be empty.
Just can't see any scoreline that doesn't start with Aston Villa 0.
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Our lot are so very lucky that Villa Park will be empty.
Just can't see any scoreline that doesn't start with Aston Villa 0.
We should add this to the thread title.
Doh
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This is it. Win or bust.
Yep. With that in mind, we've got to at least try and get some creativity in the team. Push Grealish back out wide, play Nakamba with Luiz and give Hourihane a free role in front of them. Not CH's biggest fan at all, but at least he has a goal in him.
Why not! Despite hourihane being very limited at this level and lacking pace, I do think he’s one of the ones who gives a shit. He looked seething when he came on against Man Utd and was throwing the f bomb round at a few of them. Also ran round like a lunatic...to little effect, but I’d rather that than passively letting the game drift away.
I felt really deflated when Watford got their winner earlier, but fuck it. It’s absolutely clear now, win or bust, no fucking around. We somehow scrape a win, we’re within 4 points of Watford and West Ham, preferably Watford lose to West Ham midweek and we scrape a draw at Everton, we’re 3 points behind with arsenal at home and on the beach West Ham away whilst Watford have Man City home and arsenal away. Absolutely delusional I know, we’ll know by 4.30 tomorrow.
I just home Smith tries just anything different.
Reina
Konsa. Mings. Hause. Taylor
Luiz
Elmohamady. Hourihane. Grealish
Samatta. Vassilev
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What I would do
Reina
Konsa Hause Mings
Guilbert McGinn Luiz Targett
El Ghazi Samatta Jack
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Largely irrelevant now. Play the kids so we can at least see a bit of effort.
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He's only had a few minutes of game time but I have no idea Vassilev's strengths are and I couldn't even say what his best position is.
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Just caught a headline on Birmingham Live, Dean Smith given huge boost as Matt Targett declares he’s now fit and available for selection. If I’d known that earlier I could have put good money on that we will win all our remaining matches!! Why do they bother with ridiculous headlines like that?
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I can't see Dean doing anything out of the ordinary. He might change the faces but the tactics and shape will be the same.
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This'll be our 1987 vs West Ham. 4-0 to the Villa. Steve Hunt with one of the goals.
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Be just like the Villa to put in a shift and a decent performance, now it's too late.
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Just caught a headline on Birmingham Live.
That was your biggest mistake. If that was on newsnow click "hide publication" via the cog.
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I see that mighty Burnley didn’t give up when they went 1-0 down to YNWA. Now 1-1 and final result could go either way.
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Largely irrelevant now. Play the kids so we can at least see a bit of effort.
The sad thing is, there doesn't seem to be any kids either.
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I see that mighty Burnley didn’t give up when they went 1-0 down to YNWA. Now 1-1 and final result could go either way.
Exactly why i want Dyche. He would give us a backbone
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Largely irrelevant now. Play the kids so we can at least see a bit of effort.
The sad thing is, there doesn't seem to be any kids either.
See earlier post.
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Would give Dyche a chance to manage us but doubt very much that’s going to happen. As I type, Sheffield Utd gone 2-0 up.
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I see that mighty Burnley didn’t give up when they went 1-0 down to YNWA. Now 1-1 and final result could go either way.
Exactly why i want Dyche. He would give us a backbone
This all day. it would be the best appointment in a long time, if we could get him.
There is a lot of B.S about 'style' and 'Philosophy' in today's game. Let's just start with the basics? We have been in decline for a long time and a soft touch for a long time. We need to run before we can walk. We need a change of mentality, we need work-rate, we need to have more backbone. Once we have established those basics we can then look at things like style.
'The Villa engine', 'laying traps'...I don't want any more bullshit when it isn't producing results.
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You don't even get the 'laying traps' bullshit from Smith any more, these days it's more "it's highly unlikely we'd get anything from the Liverpool or Man U games".
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You don't even get the 'laying traps' bullshit from Smith any more, these days it's more "it's highly unlikely we'd get anything from the Liverpool or Man U games".
That laying traps stuff was cringey !
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We got caught in our own traps and never got out. And he can take his traps with him the moment he’s fired.
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You don't even get the 'laying traps' bullshit from Smith any more, these days it's more "it's highly unlikely we'd get anything from the Liverpool or Man U games".
He pissed me off when he constantly went on about drawing with United when we were winning the game and they were at that point very poor but he acted as if he was a massive achievement and kept bringing it up.
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Another positive to being in the Championship next season is that, it’s beginning to look as if we will have another local derby with the Olbiyun. I think the Bees will finish above them on goal difference and, the Stripes won’t win in the play offs.
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Villa win 3-1
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Just caught a headline on Birmingham Live, Roy Hodgson given huge boost as Matt Targett declares he’s now fit and available for selection. If I’d known that earlier I could have put good money on that we will lose all our remaining matches!! Why do they bother with ridiculous headlines like that?
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Rudy, snap!! I posted on here a bit earlier, having seen the same article and, we’ve both nearly said the same thing word for word. Great minds and all that.
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Oh, except I said Dean Smith.
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You don't say! ;)
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Another loss - Smith outmanoevered by elder statesman - Roy Hodgson :( Taxi for Deano
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Despite all the resignation about our fate there is a chance that we win this game, and with Watford and West Ham playing each other next, we're not actually definitely relegated.
To support my belief in this outcome I've decided not to watch tomorrow.
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Yep, but only if we beat Palace and Everton. Therein lies the problem.
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To win, we’ll need to score, we can’t. 0-0.
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We have to win 3 out of 4 to stand any remote chance
It’s BS
We won’t even win tomorrow (unless they put one in their own net).
The pipest of pipe dreams is over
Championship here we come
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1-0 to Villa. Benteke og after 78mins.
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1-0 to Villa. Benteke og after 78mins.
3-0 to Villa Benteke hat trick
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Today is the day we turn it round.
The sun is shining and its a 2-0 win for the Villa.
That prolongs the agony for a few more days anyway!
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Do or die, need to throw everything at them, must win game. 1-1.
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This is an absolute must win game for me. If we don't get three points today I think we are as good as down.
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I can see us winning this today, if only for the reason that it would be typical for us to win now there's a 7 point gap. Because of the gap and the importance, I wonder if he'll throw a few gambles into the mix (Vassilev, Barry etc).
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To much defeatism on here
we only need to beat Palace, Everton and West Ham and we probs stay up
all winnable games starting today
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I was as down as anyone after the results yesterday and I don’t think we will get out of it, but the amount of people throwing in the towel completely is ridiculous. We need to change tactics, maybe go 3 at the back again and get more width from the fullbacks if Guilbert and Targett are fit, but if we get a win today we will have a chance to get back within striking distance of Watford or West Ham come Thursday, possibly even both if their game is a draw. I actually think we will get the win today, then it’s a long shot but we aren’t down yet.
My main reasoning behind this is coming out of the Derby 4-0 game last season. I remember thinking it was a great performance, but had come a few games too late and we had no chance of catching enough teams to make the playoffs. It’s a lot later now, but it won’t take a massive swing for us to still have a chance of staying up on the last day - we just have to win our games, hopefully that focuses the players minds.
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So the much spoken of must win game is now here. 0-0 bore draw.
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To much defeatism on here
we only need to beat Palace, Everton and West Ham and we probs stay up
all winnable games starting today
More winnable games, I can’t wait ;D chuckles.
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I don't think 3 wins will be enough - We need all 4!
I can see West Ham/Watford drawing, and Watford beating Man City (they beat Liverpool convincingly remember, and Man City will have one eye on the return of the Champions League by that point). West Ham/Watford could both realistically finish on 38pts (assuming West Ham beat us), leaving us 11 points behind. We need all 4 wins, and hope that they don't put similar runs together.
Based on our current form, I think it's pie in the sky stuff. We won't gain another point all season.
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You don't even get the 'laying traps' bullshit from Smith any more, these days it's more "it's highly unlikely we'd get anything from the Liverpool or Man U games".
Odd that we were laying traps when we looked more like we were laying cables
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To much defeatism on here
we only need to beat Palace, Everton and West Ham and we probs stay up
all winnable games starting today
More winnable games, I can’t wait ;D chuckles.
Win the next two
and we’re right back in it
Keep the Faith
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I don't think 3 wins will be enough - We need all 4!
I can see West Ham/Watford drawing, and Watford beating Man City (they beat Liverpool convincingly remember, and Man City will have one eye on the return of the Champions League by that point). West Ham/Watford could both realistically finish on 38pts (assuming West Ham beat us), leaving us 11 points behind. We need all 4 wins, and hope that they don't put similar runs together.
Based on our current form, I think it's pie in the sky stuff. We won't gain another point all season.
I’d still take my chances of staying up on Watford not beating Man City
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Palace's two centre halves Tomkins and Cahill are both ruled out injured for today's game.
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I don't think 3 wins will be enough - We need all 4!
I can see West Ham/Watford drawing, and Watford beating Man City (they beat Liverpool convincingly remember, and Man City will have one eye on the return of the Champions League by that point). West Ham/Watford could both realistically finish on 38pts (assuming West Ham beat us), leaving us 11 points behind. We need all 4 wins, and hope that they don't put similar runs together.
Based on our current form, I think it's pie in the sky stuff. We won't gain another point all season.
I’d still take my chances of staying up on Watford not beating Man City
It's a big risk though.... The form they've got themselves in, and with Pearson in charge, is it too unrealistic to expect Watford to pick up points against either Man City (H) or Arsenal (A) if needed?
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They’ve lost 4 on the spin who better to play next, none other than Aston Villa.
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They’ve lost 4 on the spin who better to play next, none other than Aston Villa.
Sorry to be pedantic, but it's two - Chelsea(H) and Leicester(A). THey beat Bournemouth (A) prior to that 2-0. ;)
Anyway, going back to Damo's comment about their CBs being out... .They could play rush goalie and still win comfortably. Not like we're going to be a threat on their goal!
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In which case why won’t they just beat West Ham, and then leave us with our fate in our own hands on the last day if we get the other wins we need?
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In which case why won’t they just beat West Ham, and then leave us with our fate in our own hands on the last day if we get the other wins we need?
Because West Ham are in good form of their own.... Something which we are sadly lacking an iota of.
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We have the most fouled player in the league. ....
.. and we haven't worked out yet how to take and convert killer set-pieces from all those fouls.
Criminal, really.
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In which case why won’t they just beat West Ham, and then leave us with our fate in our own hands on the last day if we get the other wins we need?
Because West Ham are in good form of their own.... Something which we are sadly lacking an iota of.
To be fair, Man City are in quite good form too - doesn’t that count?
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We have the most fouled player in the league. ....
.. and we haven't worked out yet how to take and convert killer set-pieces from all those fouls.
Criminal, really.
I’d say we’re pretty consistent with our set pieces.
Consistently awful at defending them, and consistently poor at delivering them.
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In which case why won’t they just beat West Ham, and then leave us with our fate in our own hands on the last day if we get the other wins we need?
Because West Ham are in good form of their own.... Something which we are sadly lacking an iota of.
To be fair, Man City are in quite good form too - doesn’t that count?
It does, but if you look at the two teams' run-ins, and their likely motivation at the point that they face each other...
Watford will need one more win at that point to probably secure survival, whilst Man City will have just come off the back of the FA Cup semi against Arsenal. Man City's two remaining league games, prior to facing Real Madrid, are Watford and Norwich. I don't think they're going to be going too gung-ho in either of those games with that on the horizon.
Yes, they're still a formidable force even in second gear, but Watford are definitely one of the teams that you wouldn't want to face in that situation imo.
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Time and time again when the teams around us have failed to get points, we subsequently proceed to shoot ourselves in the foot.
We are where we are because we have f*cked it up for ourselves and let’s face it - for the main we have been imposters in this league. Hurts to type this but it’s fact and from day one sitting in the sunshine at Spurs last August -phone in hand - ready to hit the cash out button before they equalised it has been the same time and time and time again. Cyndi Lauper will tell you that, she goes with me to all the matches. She just wanted to have fun but our true colours came shining through. I’ve completely lost track of what it was that I was posting about now so see ya, I’m off.
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In which case why won’t they just beat West Ham, and then leave us with our fate in our own hands on the last day if we get the other wins we need?
Because West Ham are in good form of their own.... Something which we are sadly lacking an iota of.
To be fair, Man City are in quite good form too - doesn’t that count?
It does, but if you look at the two teams' run-ins, and their likely motivation at the point that they face each other...
Watford will need one more win at that point to probably secure survival, whilst Man City will have just come off the back of the FA Cup semi against Arsenal. Man City's two remaining league games, prior to facing Real Madrid, are Watford and Norwich. I don't think they're going to be going too gung-ho in either of those games with that on the horizon.
Yes, they're still a formidable force even in second gear, but Watford are definitely one of the teams that you wouldn't want to face in that situation imo.
Which is fine, but you can apply that logic across the board - why would Palace and Everton be any more motivated in our games given neither have anything realistically to play for. You could argue City’s player will be playing for the Champions League final places so will have more motivation.
I know it’s unlikely, but I don’t see the point of looking any further ahead than we need to at the moment. Last season we had to win 10 on the spin to make the playoffs and we did it - we now must win the next two and see where it leaves us.
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If we lose today we will need a new picture for the back of the North Stand
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We need to win today if only to keep West Ham and Watford honest when they play each other.
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If we lose today we will need a new picture for the back of the North Stand
A white flag.
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If we lose today we will need a new picture for the back of the North Stand
A white flag.
Very apt
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If we lose today we will need a new picture for the back of the North Stand
How about a sign that says, ‘We even conquered Europe in 1982...’
Or another which says
‘Do you want to bet against us’ below that a big sign with the telephone number for Paddy Power.
Ron, Tony, wtf happened
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To much defeatism on here
we only need to beat Palace, Everton and West Ham and we probs stay up
all winnable games starting today
The season starts today!
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To much defeatism on here
we only need to beat Palace, Everton and West Ham and we probs stay up
all winnable games starting today
The season starts today!
No it doesn't. It started last August and we've been fucking awful ever since, hence the reason we're in our current plight. No amount of blind optimism is going to change that unfortunately.
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To much defeatism on here
we only need to beat Palace, Everton and West Ham and we probs stay up
all winnable games starting today
The season starts today!
Let’s hope Deano takes a leaf out of Lloyd Christmas’s book when giving the team talk today
https://youtu.be/XEhixvM0wKw
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Villa 11/1 to stay up with BG Bet
Lump on ( not you Damo )
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Villa 11/1 to stay up with BG Bet
Lump on ( not you Damo )
Ha ha!
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Villa 11/1 to stay up with BG Bet
Lump on ( not you Damo )
https://youtu.be/tr0VnvtHVNg
All of a sudden as kick off looms so does the Dunkirk spirit
Oh no, it’s happening again...
“Nurse!”
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To much defeatism on here
we only need to beat Palace, Everton and West Ham and we probs stay up
all winnable games starting today
The season starts today!
No it doesn't.
Thursday?
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Lets do something revolutionary today and win.
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Lets do something revolutionary today and win.
The Revolution starts today
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Need to get Guilbert on today.
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A Villa fan sending racist abuse to Zaha: https://twitter.com/wilfriedzaha/status/1282273543208808450
I hope the horrible little prick is arrested.
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As match approaches, there’s always a new found optimism. Unfortunately, usually followed by ffs once the match actually starts. Seems an age since someone has posted scorcioooooooo.
Improbabile, but we could go 4 matches unbeaten, say..win today and v West Ham and draws against Everton and Arsenal, giving us a total of 35. With our goal difference we would need 36 at least and I also think West Ham and Watford will pick up enough points to finish on at least 36, possibly 37.
It’s the hope that kills you so, as a rational person, probably best give up hope so that we are alive to keep following our beloved team in the Championship next season!!
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The optimism usually dies when we see the team sheet.
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A Villa fan sending racist abuse to Zaha: https://twitter.com/wilfriedzaha/status/1282273543208808450
I hope the horrible little prick is arrested.
Utter scum. Let's hope the police can track him down.
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I can’t be arsed to post the match thread but Guilbert is on the bench again with Konsa RB. We need to attack Palace and we have a CB at RB with 2 on the bench. And two left footed CB’s. fuck me
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The optimism usually dies when we see the team sheet.
Yep, it’s has again today.
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.... and McGinn starting again, even with that horror showing the other day.
Fuck off Smith. Please, just fuck off.
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I can’t be arsed to post the match thread but Guilbert is on the bench again with Konsa RB. We need to attack Palace and we have a CB at RB with 2 on the bench. And two left footed CB’s. fuck me
I've just said that to some mates. We don't need two right backs on the bench. Only one striker on the bench as well.
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Trezeguet. What's the point? He will never score or assist.
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I can’t be arsed to post the match thread but Guilbert is on the bench again with Konsa RB. We need to attack Palace and we have a CB at RB with 2 on the bench. And two left footed CB’s. fuck me
I've just said that to some mates. We don't need two right backs on the bench. Only one striker on the bench as well.
It’s fucking stupid. We are going down because this is the culmination of a season of sheer stupidity.
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This is our “absolutely go for it, have to get three points” team?
Fucking Trezeguet, again!!!
Eric Black never left.
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I can’t be arsed to post the match thread but Guilbert is on the bench again with Konsa RB. We need to attack Palace and we have a CB at RB with 2 on the bench. And two left footed CB’s. fuck me
I've just said that to some mates. We don't need two right backs on the bench. Only one striker on the bench as well.
It’s fucking stupid. We are going down because this is the culmination of a season of sheer stupidity.
The stupidest of all being leaving a crocked Mings on the pitch against Leicester while the entire villa bench scratched their heads as Vardy ran passed him to score the opener.
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A Villa fan sending racist abuse to Zaha: https://twitter.com/wilfriedzaha/status/1282273543208808450
I hope the horrible little prick is arrested.
Words fail.
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That starting 11. Dear lord.
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Einstein said that the definition of madness is trying the same thing again and again and expecting different results. He's right you know.
Why oh why is Trez starting again?? Two right backs on the bench and a centre back at right back AGAIN. WTAF?
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Ayew & Benteke up front for Palace? Pretty sure I know how this one ends.
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I’m fucking done with Dean Smith. He hasn’t learned a damn thing.
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How does a Fred not make this team? Baffling
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A Villa fan sending racist abuse to Zaha: https://twitter.com/wilfriedzaha/status/1282273543208808450
I hope the horrible little prick is arrested.
Words fail.
Utter scum.
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I’m fucking done with Dean Smith. He hasn’t learned a damn thing.
He's an absolute simpleton. Somebody that stupid doesn't deserve to keep his job.
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Ayew & Benteke up front for Palace? Pretty sure I know how this one ends.
If there's bad karma in football you know who will be on the receiving end. Every single time.
Based on the past ten years, our name should be Bad Karma FC.
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A Villa fan sending racist abuse to Zaha: https://twitter.com/wilfriedzaha/status/1282273543208808450
I hope the horrible little prick is arrested.
What an absolute fucking c***.
If anyone knows this prick please pass his details onto the police/club so we can get him banned for life.
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Off topic but just seen Wolves third goal. Wow. Light years from the utter dross that we're serving up.
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To much defeatism on here
we only need to beat Palace, Everton and West Ham and we probs stay up
all winnable games starting today
More winnable games, I can’t wait ;D chuckles.
Win the next two
and we’re right back in it
Keep the Faith
I've kept these post in mind since I read them.
John E, you encapsulated my thinking entirely, but I didn't want to tempt fate by posting it!
Never give up. UTV!