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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2020, 10:10:10 PM
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Player ratings
Reina 1
Konsa 0
Hause 0
Mings 0
Taylor 0
AEG 0
McGinn 0
Luiz 7
Grealish 0
Trez 0
Samatta 0
Subs
Hourihane 0
Nakamba 0
Davis 0
Vassilev 0
Smith 1
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Not fit to wear the shirt.
What an absolute 2015/16 shambles.
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Grab the popcorn.
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Started well, the penalty was a pathetic decision but everything from then on was so poor. Heads dropped, tempo dropped, desire dropped. Thats the problem when you set up for a 0-0.
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Fumming.
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Yet another reason why we need Communism with me as dictator. I'd send these useless ****** off to a Gulag quicker than you could say "for fuck's sake Trezeguet".
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1 for Smith ?
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Fuck off. Embarrassing again.
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The only thing that can lift the gloom is hearing we have fired Smith. We need a lift.
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Completely predictable, like the managers tactics
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Agree with all the ratings in the OP, especially Luiz. Aside from why did Smith manage a 1?
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Scoreline about what I expected.
Performance so much worse.
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Anyone who thinks we will lose our superhero Mings to a premier league club......ha ha ha ha!!!!
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Too many "players" stealing a living and no leadership throughout the whole set-up, I am angry, despondent, disappointed and above all realistic. You cannot concede so many goals, score so few, have so little quality in all areas of the club and expect to compete in this or indeed any league. Said it before but don't care, love my club, always but hate everything that's happened since we bought so poorly after 27/05/19 & that wonderful result at Wembley. All the momentum, the belief, the hard work to get us there all blow away by incompetence, poor planning, poor decisions, poor player recruitment, arrogance, a lack of self believe. Everyone involved apart from those of us that put put hands in our pockets to go & watch this debacle on a regular basis should hang their heads in shame & get the fuck out of the club I love.
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Harsh on Taylor. I'd give him a 5.
That aside, that is about right I reckon. This lot have been lucky these stadiums have been empty, because that performance (and a fair few easier ones since the re-start) was an abomination.
Yeah, the penalty was a total injustice. But there was nothing, NOTHING after that.
We may as well play the kids from here.
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We’re circling the pan like the massive stinking turd we are. Rotten top to bottom, nobody should escape criticism for this entire 12 months of shambles, owners, directors, coaches and players.
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1 for Smith ?
First 25 mins were pretty much bang on, after that he may as well have been sat next to me at home for all the effect he had on the game.
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The stream I was watching froze after 70 minutes. Blessed relief.
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Absolute crap, its still not over, but Crystal Palace will be it for Smith.
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We've seen some dismal performances this season but that was perhaps the worst. It wasn't the score, it was the way they crumbled when something went against them. They never raised themselves at all after that and Dean contributed jack shit. The sheer lack of determination, will to fight to the end, skill, passion, was totally unprofessional. Most of them were phoning it in. I think they've completely lost faith in Dean (and probably did so a long time a go) and are just going through the motions. He's not inspiring them (or us) at all. We're certainly not going down all guns blazing.
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Absolute rubbish.
But we can look forward to tweets before Sunday game from players saying such shit as ”Work and faith. Everything comes”
Yeah relegation you useless twats.
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I really dislike the team and management.
One exception. Purslow and everybody below him OUT!
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And so another 90 minutes of ineptitude and lack of passion is over.
Going down without a fight, which is the worst crime of all imo.
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The stream I was watching froze after 70 minutes. Blessed relief.
We froze after 27 minutes.
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I'll caveat my comments with an apology for repeating myself.
I thought we'd lose, but I expected a defeat like Sunday. Competitive.
I felt we got a performance at the start. Energy, pressing, having a go, creating openings, putting good balls in.
Then we're cheated. No ifs or buts. Cheated by a fat c*** like Moss. And I went fucking spare. Absolutely mental. My wife gave up telling me to stop swearing, I called my old man up and went fucking barmy down the phone. Livid does not cut it.
But we weren't. We weren't angry, we were meek. Soft. Accepting our fate. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. If that shirt means anything or your professional pride counts for a jot, you do not fucking react like we did.
Mings- the defending was appalling. Grealish, the samecriminal schoolboy cowardice. Do not turn your back you twat, you get fucking hit. But you don't. You bottle it and let that odious wanker Pogba pick his spot.
I am infuriated with how passive we were, how stand offish how utterly fucking craven we were.
What happens on Sunday if it doesn't go our way? Fucking hell Villa.
Weak and I cannot abide that. I'll accept not being good enough (to a point), but I cannot accept surrendering. Ever.
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Yet as sure as night follows day there will be those wanting Smith to stay to get us back up again.
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We were in it before the pen. A scandalous one. That should prompt a response from us. An angry battling guns blazing response. But not this Villa team. Their response was to fight the injustice like Julian Clary in a bar room brawl. I'm fucking fuuuuming with em Tone.
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35 points was enough to stay up last season and it will be enough to stay up this season. Unfortunately we won't get 35 points. If you aren't good enough to finish 17th in a relatively mediocre twenty team league you deserve to go down. Why should have changed manager around the turn of the year. We have sleepwalked to relegation. The new owners, Purslow, Suso, money spent in the transfer market. It had me feeling optimistic but it hasn't worked and the best we can hope for next season is six points off the noses.
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Up until the pen, we were ok then what confidence and game plan we had, went. That said, I think they may have beat us anyway.
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1 for Smith ?
He gets - 10 from me.
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Dean Smith is only still able to be Head Coach of our great club because the owners have made a terrible, terrible mistake in not seeing the awful decline and addressing it.
The buck stops with them.
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That was every bit as shit as anything we saw under Sherwood, Garde, KM, Black. Fucking crap.
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Shameful stuff from our management and players. I'm not talking about this game, Manure have money popped into their team, they have good players. Our shame is the obvious lack of application,both from the team, and the managment since the restart. They are woeful.
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I'll caveat my comments with an apology for repeating myself.
I thought we'd lose, but I expected a defeat like Sunday. Competitive.
I felt we got a performance at the start. Energy, pressing, having a go, creating openings, putting good balls in.
Then we're cheated. No ifs or buts. Cheated by a fat c*** like Moss. And I went fucking spare. Absolutely mental. My wife gave up telling me to stop swearing, I called my old man up and went fucking barmy down the phone. Livid does not cut it.
But we weren't. We weren't angry, we were meek. Soft. Accepting our fate. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. If that shirt means anything or your professional pride counts for a jot, you do not fucking react like we did.
Mings- the defending was appalling. Grealish, the samecriminal schoolboy cowardice. Do not turn your back you twat, you get fucking hit. But you don't. You bottle it and let that odious wanker Pogba pick his spot.
I am infuriated with how passive we were, how stand offish how utterly fucking craven we were.
What happens on Sunday if it doesn't go our way? Fucking hell Villa.
Weak and I cannot abide that. I'll accept not being good enough (to a point), but I cannot accept surrendering. Ever.
Hard to disagree with any of that.
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Agree with the players score in OP, but fuck giving Smith a 1, unless it was for the Alex Ferguson ‘gum chewing’ impression?
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And so another 90 minutes of ineptitude and lack of passion is over.
Going down without a fight, which is the worst crime of all imo.
This will be my third Villa relegation and on each occasion we have gone down without a fight. And to think how many times I have taken the piss out of Small Heath for being relegated.
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I blame our fickle fans..
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Absolute crap, its still not over, but Crystal Palace will be it for Smith.
We need AEG and Trez to be fit for that one.
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Surprise surprise, “the penalty was the turning point”.
How the fuck do you explain the lack of goal threat, the lack of fight, the lack of bottle?!!
Get out of our fucking club, you chancer.
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It was total crap that cost us £140 million in the transfer market. Smith has had money shovelled at him and he puts together garbage like that. He makes Tim Sherwood look a half decent manager. That is how bad he is.
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Yet as sure as night follows day there will be those wanting Smith to stay to get us back up again.
And that is their opinion Brian. They may be wrong, but it's still their opinion.
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Was the half time team talk to tell them to be even more passive than they were in the first half. 'Fucking hell lads, please don't try as hard as you did for that first 20 minutes, they will be wanting it every week!' The penalty was a farce. Our balls into the box, bar a couple, we poor, no closing down, not a single tough tackle, so many players walking pace, McGinn looks chunky and unfit. I cannot believe that Dean Smith is still here. United didn't have to play well to win tonight. We were meek and disinterested.
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We won't win another game in this division. I don't need to look this up but we have won just 10 games in the last 72 games in this league, THAT statistic alone trumps anything you will read anywhere else.
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Just finished pruning my bush. Did we lose?
Seriously, I thought we did ok until the penalty that never was and then it became laughable.
We are going down and we deserve to.
Can anyone really see Grealish in the Man U team?
I hope the owners stay and the rest of them can fuck right off!!!
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I have made the point many times, we just accept what we are dealt with. It was a disgraceful decision, we should have been angry, having a go at the ref, their player for diving, nothing not a squeak. This is a feature of this Aston Villa, they do not care enough to change what is happening, Smith is passive his team is passive.
That’s why we are going to be relegated.
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We carry zero attacking threat, we dont give the opposition anything to think about. We're playing like a team who are mentally in mid-table and safe. There is no fire, no spark, no over laps, no getting in behind, no decent deliveries into the box, no goal mouth scrambles, no fucker to take the game by the bollocks and drag the rest through, everything is done at such a slow pace. We are fucking rancid to watch, boring as fuck.
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I'll caveat my comments with an apology for repeating myself.
I thought we'd lose, but I expected a defeat like Sunday. Competitive.
I felt we got a performance at the start. Energy, pressing, having a go, creating openings, putting good balls in.
Then we're cheated. No ifs or buts. Cheated by a fat c*** like Moss. And I went fucking spare. Absolutely mental. My wife gave up telling me to stop swearing, I called my old man up and went fucking barmy down the phone. Livid does not cut it.
But we weren't. We weren't angry, we were meek. Soft. Accepting our fate. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. If that shirt means anything or your professional pride counts for a jot, you do not fucking react like we did.
Mings- the defending was appalling. Grealish, the samecriminal schoolboy cowardice. Do not turn your back you twat, you get fucking hit. But you don't. You bottle it and let that odious wanker Pogba pick his spot.
I am infuriated with how passive we were, how stand offish how utterly fucking craven we were.
What happens on Sunday if it doesn't go our way? Fucking hell Villa.
Weak and I cannot abide that. I'll accept not being good enough (to a point), but I cannot accept surrendering. Ever.
I can understand a dodgy penalty and a goal well past stoppage time knocking the stuffing out of them, but what I cannot forgive is most of those players came out in the second half like they didn’t want to be there. McGinn couldn’t wait to get off, Mings no leadership, Grealish no anything, just given up. I could run through possibly the entire team apart from Luiz, possibly Taylor bizarrely enough and maybe Reins just because he was f**ing angry. The first goal in the second half could of changed everything if they’d come out fighting. We now need Bruce to turn over Watford and for us to somehow grow some pride and heart, i just think too many of them are now eyeing their next move. But I have to say, fuck knows why anyone would buy any of this lot, that includes Grealish
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On the flip side, that Greenwood kid looks some player. Certainly knows how to hit that soddin football.
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Surprise surprise, “the penalty was the turning point”.
How the fuck do you explain the lack of goal threat, the lack of fight, the lack of bottle?!!
Get out of our fucking club, you chancer.
Well it was the turning point.
As Ads has said, our players gave up afterwards when they should have been furious and wanting to ram it down their throats.
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Predictable interview from Smith.
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Too many "players" stealing a living and no leadership throughout the whole set-up, I am angry, despondent, disappointed and above all realistic. You cannot concede so many goals, score so few, have so little quality in all areas of the club and expect to compete in this or indeed any league. Said it before but don't care, love my club, always but hate everything that's happened since we bought so poorly after 27/05/19 & that wonderful result at Wembley. All the momentum, the belief, the hard work to get us there all blow away by incompetence, poor planning, poor decisions, poor player recruitment, arrogance, a lack of self believe. Everyone involved apart from those of us that put put hands in our pockets to go & watch this debacle on a regular basis should hang their heads in shame & get the fuck out of the club I love.
Isn't criticizing us for both arrogance and lack of self belief slightly contradictory?
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The turd I parked after half time was the most enjoyable thing this evening.
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I'll caveat my comments with an apology for repeating myself.
I thought we'd lose, but I expected a defeat like Sunday. Competitive.
I felt we got a performance at the start. Energy, pressing, having a go, creating openings, putting good balls in.
Then we're cheated. No ifs or buts. Cheated by a fat c*** like Moss. And I went fucking spare. Absolutely mental. My wife gave up telling me to stop swearing, I called my old man up and went fucking barmy down the phone. Livid does not cut it.
But we weren't. We weren't angry, we were meek. Soft. Accepting our fate. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. If that shirt means anything or your professional pride counts for a jot, you do not fucking react like we did.
Mings- the defending was appalling. Grealish, the samecriminal schoolboy cowardice. Do not turn your back you twat, you get fucking hit. But you don't. You bottle it and let that odious wanker Pogba pick his spot.
I am infuriated with how passive we were, how stand offish how utterly fucking craven we were.
What happens on Sunday if it doesn't go our way? Fucking hell Villa.
Weak and I cannot abide that. I'll accept not being good enough (to a point), but I cannot accept surrendering. Ever.
Well said.
I really cannot add anything to that.
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No maybe about it. Anybody who wants more of Smith deserves everything they get coming to them. If we think like weaklings, we get weaklings in the shirt.
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You will struggle to find me critical of a Villa manager on here since the Bolton defeat in April 2012.
But I'm done with him. Smith can go tonight and he can take Terry with him.
While we are at it, they should take all this Part of the Pride shit down. Serving up this tripe on the pitch surrounded by 20 foot high banners talking about Pride is laughable and embarrassing.
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Today was probably as poor as I've seen us this season. The lack of fight for a team facing relegation was startling. Ive tried to defend Smith but his lack of motivation 2nd half showed a man who is resigned to our fate as much as we all are and that affects our players. It was like a training match for us again, and clearly the players have lost faith in him.
Sacking him now will make no difference as Terry would take over, God help us, but at the end of the season our owners will need to take a long hard look as to how from top to bottom we get it all very, very wrong. We need a clear vision for next season and if it isn't Smith they had better find a manager who at the very least has a plan A and B and knows how to spend wisely on the millions we will get from Grealish etc all.
And for christ sake no more ' B' players from crap foreign leqgues.....
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No maybe about it. Anybody who wants more of Smith deserves everything they get coming to them. If we think like weaklings, we get weaklings in the shirt.
Spot on.
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Not sacking Smith after we lost to Watford away is the worst decision in a long time.
It was obvious, at that stage, that Smith was way, way out of his depth and not getting the maximum out of his resources.
I have bit my tongue on this one for several months but it is so fucking small time for a club like Villa to stick with a manager just because he's one of us.
This is a 140 year old institution that has been the best in a business that is about results. That's the bottom line, not sentiment. Survival was paramount this year and the fucked it up.
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Was the half time team talk to tell them to be even more passive than they were in the first half. 'Fucking hell lads, please don't try as hard as you did for that first 20 minutes, they will be wanting it every week!' The penalty was a farce. Our balls into the box, bar a couple, we poor, no closing down, not a single tough tackle, so many players walking pace, McGinn looks chunky and unfit. I cannot believe that Dean Smith is still here. United didn't have to play well to win tonight. We were meek and disinterested.
Yep
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Interesting that with Smith gone, Brentford have actually improved
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Totally fucking inept. No chance of survival.
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Hole End was quiet, they could have got behind the lads more.
Who knows, that might have made the difference as it was on a knife edge.
Our never say die attitude is commendable, really proud of those lads, run through brick walls they would you know
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Well it was the turning point.
As Ads has said, our players gave up afterwards when they should have been furious and wanting to ram it down their throats.
It wasn't the awful penalty decision itself that changed the game - it's happened before and it'll happen again - but our inexcusable response to it. After all we were only 0-1 down with over an hour to go, and with the perfect motivating factor to tear right into them. But instead we felt sorry for ourselves and played like they were going through the motions. Who knows what Dean said at half time but it got no response whatsoever.
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Surprise surprise, “the penalty was the turning point”.
How the fuck do you explain the lack of goal threat, the lack of fight, the lack of bottle?!!
Get out of our fucking club, you chancer.
Well it was the turning point.
As Ads has said, our players gave up afterwards when they should have been furious and wanting to ram it down their throats.
Which is where a manager worth his salt would have earned his stripes. I’m sick of the excuses... I long to hear an honest interview stating that two of our key players bottled blocks and cost us 2 of the 3 goals.
Mental strength should be installed in the players from the manager - Could you imagine a Dyche or Allardyce team dropping their heads like that? No fight from anyone barr Doug in claret and blue. And predictably, Smith didn’t change anything till we were 3-0 down.
Get rid tonight and get Sam in as the night watchman till the end of of the season. We’re not picking up another point with Smith in charge, so nothing to lose.
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Didn’t want to hear a Sky pundit (Evra) calling us lazy tonight.
Saving grace now TV app on telly didn’t seem to work so I only watched it on the iPad.
And didn’t get anywhere near waking the baby.
Hmmm.
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Interesting that with Smith gone, Brentford have actually improved
As I said last week it will be quite ironic if they are promoted when we are relegated.
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The penalty decision is a classic example of a game being officiated by people who haven't played it in recent times. That drag back on top of the ball trick that Fernandes won the penalty with is impossible to defend because the attacker uses his body to shield the ball and to lean into the defender's face. There's not much Konsa can do, he's being obstructed from winning the ball. On the edge of the box too...the softest fuxking penalty to win.
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I'll caveat my comments with an apology for repeating myself.
I thought we'd lose, but I expected a defeat like Sunday. Competitive.
I felt we got a performance at the start. Energy, pressing, having a go, creating openings, putting good balls in.
Then we're cheated. No ifs or buts. Cheated by a fat c*** like Moss. And I went fucking spare. Absolutely mental. My wife gave up telling me to stop swearing, I called my old man up and went fucking barmy down the phone. Livid does not cut it.
But we weren't. We weren't angry, we were meek. Soft. Accepting our fate. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. If that shirt means anything or your professional pride counts for a jot, you do not fucking react like we did.
Mings- the defending was appalling. Grealish, the samecriminal schoolboy cowardice. Do not turn your back you twat, you get fucking hit. But you don't. You bottle it and let that odious wanker Pogba pick his spot.
I am infuriated with how passive we were, how stand offish how utterly fucking craven we were.
What happens on Sunday if it doesn't go our way? Fucking hell Villa.
Weak and I cannot abide that. I'll accept not being good enough (to a point), but I cannot accept surrendering. Ever.
Hard to disagree with any of that.
Absolutely spot on
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We were in it before the pen. A scandalous one. That should prompt a response from us. An angry battling guns blazing response. But not this Villa team. Their response was to fight the injustice like Julian Clary in a bar room brawl. I'm fucking fuuuuming with em Tone.
Not this Villa team, and not any Villa team for at least the last 15 years.
We're always a team of Hugh Grants and never Jason Stathams.
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Special mention to Grealish's attempt at a worldy volley when we were 0-0.
Could have,should have trapped it and rolled it in.Should have been benched games ago.
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I'll caveat my comments with an apology for repeating myself.
I thought we'd lose, but I expected a defeat like Sunday. Competitive.
I felt we got a performance at the start. Energy, pressing, having a go, creating openings, putting good balls in.
Then we're cheated. No ifs or buts. Cheated by a fat c*** like Moss. And I went fucking spare. Absolutely mental. My wife gave up telling me to stop swearing, I called my old man up and went fucking barmy down the phone. Livid does not cut it.
But we weren't. We weren't angry, we were meek. Soft. Accepting our fate. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. If that shirt means anything or your professional pride counts for a jot, you do not fucking react like we did.
Mings- the defending was appalling. Grealish, the samecriminal schoolboy cowardice. Do not turn your back you twat, you get fucking hit. But you don't. You bottle it and let that odious wanker Pogba pick his spot.
I am infuriated with how passive we were, how stand offish how utterly fucking craven we were.
What happens on Sunday if it doesn't go our way? Fucking hell Villa.
Weak and I cannot abide that. I'll accept not being good enough (to a point), but I cannot accept surrendering. Ever.
Have to tip my cap to this. Sums them up perfectly. I was so angry with the pen but that was nothing compared to how angry I was at the reaction of our players. Someone should have been screaming in the face of Fernandez "you cheating bastard" But nothing but a bit of arm waving at the ref. There's a soft underbelly there that's very hard to take.
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I'm just glad I don't take it to heart as you do Ads.
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Just a hunch but I think there’s an outside chance we’ll go down.
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McGinn is unfit and carrying a spare tyre, he should not be starting. Absolute pish tonight. Luiz is doing the work of two players.
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3 nil flattered us.
Mings, Mcginn and Grealish all pathetic.
Had it with Smith; 2 points from 30.
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It could easily have been 6, we were that poor. And Man Utd didn't even have reach third gear. 1 shot on target in 90 minutes is shameful.
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You will struggle to find me critical of a Villa manager on here since the Bolton defeat in April 2012.
But I'm done with him. Smith can go tonight and he can take Terry with him.
While we are at it, they should take all this Part of the Pride shit down. Serving up this tripe on the pitch surrounded by 20 foot high banners talking about Pride is laughable and embarrassing.
Probably further back for me, think it was just Chris Smith and I defending DOL back in the day. However I too am sick to the teeth of what seems to have been constant misery since the Burnley game. In a strange way I'm looking forward to the Championship and a few away days where we might win (Covid permitting) but whatever we get from sales this summer please allocate a good chunk of it to attract a decent, experienced manager who won't be cowed by the challenge.
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When fat Sams name has been put up many hold their noses but he would never have stood for such an insipid performance. Some Villa players are now looking for the exit and i put Grealish at the head of them, sack him now there is still a sliver of a chance, with himm no chance.
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I'll caveat my comments with an apology for repeating myself.
I thought we'd lose, but I expected a defeat like Sunday. Competitive.
I felt we got a performance at the start. Energy, pressing, having a go, creating openings, putting good balls in.
Then we're cheated. No ifs or buts. Cheated by a fat c*** like Moss. And I went fucking spare. Absolutely mental. My wife gave up telling me to stop swearing, I called my old man up and went fucking barmy down the phone. Livid does not cut it.
But we weren't. We weren't angry, we were meek. Soft. Accepting our fate. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. If that shirt means anything or your professional pride counts for a jot, you do not fucking react like we did.
Mings- the defending was appalling. Grealish, the samecriminal schoolboy cowardice. Do not turn your back you twat, you get fucking hit. But you don't. You bottle it and let that odious wanker Pogba pick his spot.
I am infuriated with how passive we were, how stand offish how utterly fucking craven we were.
What happens on Sunday if it doesn't go our way? Fucking hell Villa.
Weak and I cannot abide that. I'll accept not being good enough (to a point), but I cannot accept surrendering. Ever.
Have to tip my cap to this. Sums them up perfectly. I was so angry with the pen but that was nothing compared to how angry I was at the reaction of our players. Someone should have been screaming in the face of Fernandez "you cheating bastard" But nothing but a bit of arm waving at the ref. There's a soft underbelly there that's very hard to take.
Agree completely with Ads My daughter was winding me up as I was getting so mad and frustrated. I thought 2015 was bad. This is worse
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This fixture for me is always pretty much summed up by the last entry in Kenneth Williams' diaries.
I did stick with it until the penalty, at which point Williams' words came back to me again and I did something else.
The tone for this season was well and truly set in the Spurs game on the first day. Would we see a Villa in a different mould from the meek teams we're used to, that never lay a glove on the top teams? For the briefest of periods it looked like it, but then capitulation brought on by a lack of belief. Just like we've seen again and again over the years.
On the plus side, it will be at least one season until we play fucking ManUre again. I didn't miss it.
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A few have all ready gone, it could get ugly.
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I wish it didn't still piss me off so much.
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3 nil flattered us.
Mings, Mcginn and Grealish all pathetic.
Had it with Smith; 2 points from 30.
2 points from 30?!! Fucking hell! How are they still in a job!!?
I guess the one saving grace is that the season ticket holders got some of their money back and didn’t have to sit there watching that drivel?
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Awful penalty decision, but an equally terrible capitulation after that. We're clearly not good enough, but the lack of effort and desire shown tonight was inexcusable.
Why do we seem to have such an inferiority complex when we play the so called 'big' clubs?
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A few have all ready gone, it could get ugly.
Love it. Cos it isn’t already?
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I'll caveat my comments with an apology for repeating myself.
I thought we'd lose, but I expected a defeat like Sunday. Competitive.
I felt we got a performance at the start. Energy, pressing, having a go, creating openings, putting good balls in.
Then we're cheated. No ifs or buts. Cheated by a fat c*** like Moss. And I went fucking spare. Absolutely mental. My wife gave up telling me to stop swearing, I called my old man up and went fucking barmy down the phone. Livid does not cut it.
But we weren't. We weren't angry, we were meek. Soft. Accepting our fate. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. If that shirt means anything or your professional pride counts for a jot, you do not fucking react like we did.
Mings- the defending was appalling. Grealish, the samecriminal schoolboy cowardice. Do not turn your back you twat, you get fucking hit. But you don't. You bottle it and let that odious wanker Pogba pick his spot.
I am infuriated with how passive we were, how stand offish how utterly fucking craven we were.
What happens on Sunday if it doesn't go our way? Fucking hell Villa.
Weak and I cannot abide that. I'll accept not being good enough (to a point), but I cannot accept surrendering. Ever.
Welcome to the dark side.
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Aston Villa boss Dean Smith, speaking to Sky Sports: "It unravelled with the first goal. We made a bright start, had some chances, they are always a threat on the counter but it all changed round on the penalty decision.
"I can understand Jon (Moss, referee) getting it wrong but I don't know what VAR are looking at - it's a disgraceful decision. They have a screen they can go and look at it but they don't seem to be bothered."
"Fernandes is trying a double drag back - his first touch is on the ball his second touch is on Ezri Konsa's shin. I won't tell you what I think...
"Unfortunately they were too good for us in the second half with that lead. The second goal was the one, the reaction after the first goal wasn't great, the second goal was the one. If you go in at 1-0 you can gather the troops and go again.
"That's the first time we've had a going over since Project Restart. We are running out of games, the games will be tough but if we get back to the way we have been playing we'll win
Draw your own conclusions...
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Goals change games and Man Utd getting given one changed this one. Terrible performance after going behind and perhaps that would have happened at some point but make no mistake VAR has fucked us.
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When Smith took over last season he turned us into a niggly in your face team, contested every decision, drew clever free kicks, played the situation, we were professionally clever and other Championship fans fucking hated us for it.
Theres none of that this season, way too much respect shown to the opposition and I wonder how many of them truly believe they belong at this level.
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The penalty was the worst decision I've seen all season, but we'd have lost anyway. We really are very poor, and they're full of pace and power.
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Aston Villa boss Dean Smith, speaking to Sky Sports: "It unravelled with the first goal. We made a bright start, had some chances, they are always a threat on the counter but it all changed round on the penalty decision.
"I can understand Jon (Moss, referee) getting it wrong but I don't know what VAR are looking at - it's a disgraceful decision. They have a screen they can go and look at it but they don't seem to be bothered."
"Fernandes is trying a double drag back - his first touch is on the ball his second touch is on Ezri Konsa's shin. I won't tell you what I think...
"Unfortunately they were too good for us in the second half with that lead. The second goal was the one, the reaction after the first goal wasn't great, the second goal was the one. If you go in at 1-0 you can gather the troops and go again.
"That's the first time we've had a going over since Project Restart. We are running out of games, the games will be tough but if we get back to the way we have been playing we'll win
Draw your own conclusions...
We'll win, so long as winning means we don't have to score and the goals we concede don't count.
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"Go again" That phrase rings a bell.
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I'll caveat my comments with an apology for repeating myself.
I thought we'd lose, but I expected a defeat like Sunday. Competitive.
I felt we got a performance at the start. Energy, pressing, having a go, creating openings, putting good balls in.
Then we're cheated. No ifs or buts. Cheated by a fat c*** like Moss. And I went fucking spare. Absolutely mental. My wife gave up telling me to stop swearing, I called my old man up and went fucking barmy down the phone. Livid does not cut it.
But we weren't. We weren't angry, we were meek. Soft. Accepting our fate. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. If that shirt means anything or your professional pride counts for a jot, you do not fucking react like we did.
Mings- the defending was appalling. Grealish, the samecriminal schoolboy cowardice. Do not turn your back you twat, you get fucking hit. But you don't. You bottle it and let that odious wanker Pogba pick his spot.
I am infuriated with how passive we were, how stand offish how utterly fucking craven we were.
What happens on Sunday if it doesn't go our way? Fucking hell Villa.
Weak and I cannot abide that. I'll accept not being good enough (to a point), but I cannot accept surrendering. Ever.
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If mings had fouled Martial on the half way line we'd probably go in at half time one nil. Just take the yellow.
Every game since restart has been a no show in the 2nd half. Even Chelsea when we had a lead to hold on to.
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I thought, like most people, that Solskjaer wouldn't last two months into this season but he has now got them playing some very good stuff. He really identified what they needed in January and he went and got it. Unlike...
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Yeah I'm with Dean on what an awful decision that was but the other comments are very concerning. I can't motivate my players if they're two down. And how the fuck he thinks we're going to win the way we're playing I don't know.
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Deanos clueless and pathetic looking talk at the 3rd quarter tea break really pissed me off. Lacking passion and looked at a complete loss. It looked like his half time talk may have been similar too... we’re gone
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Goals change games and Man Utd getting given one changed this one. Terrible performance after going behind and perhaps that would have happened at some point but make no mistake VAR has fucked us.
Our ability to piss good money up the wall on strikers and attackers who couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo, midfielders who can’t tackle or pass a ball, defenders who can’t defend and a manager that can’t manage his way out of a paper bag is what has cost us, not VAR.
Most teams have had dubious decisions from VAR, but this should only serve as extra motivation for professional sportsmen, to right the wrong so to speak.
We just roll over and get our belly tickled.
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I was happy with what I saw until the phantom penalty. Afterwards is stuff we've just seen in about 20 other games this seasons.
What's the betting now we'll turn up completely flat and feeling sorry for ourselves v Palace and lose that meekly 1-0.
Just hope once this is all over the people at the top have a proper grown up discussion about where they want this club in 5 years time. It's easy to sack the head coach and DOF and that will probably happen and neither would have a complaint but you need so much more to be a competitive top half premier league club and we've wasted that chance for another couple of years.
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We can rant about VAR all we like. Yes it was a shocking decision and absolutely wrong. But we were categorically shit tonight outside of the first 10 mins, and a modicum of effort shown for one-ninth of a football match at this level gets you fucking nothing.
Smith is bollocks, 80% of the squad is bollocks, and like too many seasons before it we have a massive rebuilding job to do in the summer now, in a much shitter but equally unforgiving league.
Time to strap ourselves in, the "summer" or what's left of it will be a fairly painful time, particularly as we will have fuck all time to actually assemble a new squad.
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Absolutely pathetic. If you are going to lose a game, at least go down fighting. To give up like they did tonight is unforgivable.
Got to say as well, what is the actual point of VAR ? It’s obvious now that they will do everything possible to not overrule the decision the referee has made originally. Bournemouth get a vital point after a blatant shove on Kane isn’t overturned by it and we get done by a crap decision tonight. Up until that point, we were looking good and were right in it. The worrying thing is the way we completely collapsed after the decision went against us.
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Seriously, are Davis and Samatta the best two fit strikers we have at the club? They are an absolute horror show week in, week out. Watching them is like a magnet to a battery on my very soul.
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To secure a place in the top half of the Premiership you have to be motivated, focussed, hard, fit, ruthless, utterly devoid of pity for the opposition, devoid of sentiment, ambitious and driven. We are none of those things. We are weak, lazy, self excusing, moody, unfit (yes I am looking at you McGinn), unmotivated and cowardly.
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Seriously, are Davis and Samatta the best two fit strikers we have at the club? They are an absolute horror show week in, week out. Watching them is like a magnet to a battery on my very soul.
Samatta is dreadful. All those fans back in Tanzania going mad about him. I'm very curious what they all see. Shockingly bad.
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"That's the first time we've had a going over since Project Restart."
We've drawn two and lost the rest with hardly a goal in us !
So the standard set by Smith for Aston Villa is that if we avoid a thrashing then that is acceptable enough !
After the complete and utter garbage that we have had to endure and the sheer bloody hurt of it all this statement alone should be a sackable offence
GO ! GO NOW !
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What did Smith say to the players at half time, judging by their 2nd half performance, forget attacking just let them have the ball and hopefully they won't score anymore. Giving him the long term contract in November was a very poor decision, it was made far too early in season.
Watching Villa gets even more depressing as each game goes by, tonight was no exception. Need a minimum of 8 points to avoid the drop, it ain't gonna happen.
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I posted this in the match thread and on the McGinn thread too, but fuck it, look at this. This entire season summed up in a few seconds
https://twitter.com/PunjabiVillans/status/1281328950732558342?s=20
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Hole End was quiet, they could have got behind the lads more.
Who knows, that might have made the difference as it was on a knife edge.
Our never say die attitude is commendable, really proud of those lads, run through brick walls they would you know
Beautifully put.
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That Trezeguet chance off the outside of the post; he had runners either side of him but chose the Hollywood option. He's a child.
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That Trezeguet chance off the outside of the post; he had runners either side of him but chose the Hollywood option. He's a child.
Yeah he's got loads of twitter followers in Egypt, he's really famous over there, he's mates with Mo Salah.
He could really put us on the social media map.
Same with Samatta and Tanazania.
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Same with Dean Smith and Great Barr?
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I decided to watch it again on motd as I'm a bit of a masochist. Dublin and Cahill both called that pen a joke and pointed out that absolutely no-one who had ever played football would think that was a pen. Cue Solskjaer "I thought it was a pen" I shouted "fuck off ollie" at the telly which scared the bejeesus out of my sleeping Mrs. With that kind of one eyed myopia I think the new Fergie has arrived at OT. Just something else to ruin my already ruined evening.
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That Trezeguet chance off the outside of the post; he had runners either side of him but chose the Hollywood option. He's a child.
He should have scored. He had all the time in the world to pick a spot. Could have taken it into the area and smashed it. Useless. He still reminds of the kid who won the rattle prize to play a game of football with his favourite team.
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That Trezeguet chance off the outside of the post; he had runners either side of him but chose the Hollywood option. He's a child.
5 minutes before, ball falls to him in box after miss by a defender. totally unprepared for it and rushes past him.
left on pitch for 90 minutes in 2 consecutive games in 5 days
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While we got nothing more than we deserved, there has been a pattern this season of being on the wrong end of some incredibly inept referring decisions and a distinct failure from VAR to correct the "clear and obvious" errors. Yet zealously spending 5 minutes plus ruling out many a goal because someone's eyelash has strayed a millimetre offside.
Jon Moss has now been guilty of denying us a blatant penalty at Arsenal and awarding ManYew an absolute joke of a penalty against us. And VAR scandalously back his monumentally obvious fuck-ups to the hilt. Unbelievable. It's difficult enough when you are as shit and insipid as Villa are without having the officials and their video equipment conspire against you. I mean what is the fucking point of VAR when they can't correct something as obvious as that?
And then you see Bournemouth get away with a blatant penalty against Kane.
They are now saying both were wrong decisions, as was the penalty for Southampton against Everton. Three in three games. I repeat, what's the fucking point of VAR?
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Same with Dean Smith and Great Barr?
Yes but first you have to wait till electricity is available in Great Barr.
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Seriously, are Davis and Samatta the best two fit strikers we have at the club? They are an absolute horror show week in, week out. Watching them is like a magnet to a battery on my very soul.
Samatta is dreadful. All those fans back in Tanzania going mad about him. I'm very curious what they all see. Shockingly bad.
He looks depressed, for want of a better word, since the season restarted. I wonder how much support he got during lockdown.
But when you see Jack volley over when he could have squared it for a tap in, you are not going to feel great about things.
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To secure a place in the top half of the Premiership you have to be motivated, focussed, hard, fit, ruthless, utterly devoid of pity for the opposition, devoid of sentiment, ambitious and driven. We are none of those things. We are weak, lazy, self excusing, moody, unfit (yes I am looking at you McGinn), unmotivated and cowardly.
I don’t quite agree.
We are the polite, nice, agreeable, meek, bland team in the division.
The Ned Flanders of football.
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Confirmed that the penalty was the wrong decision
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1281348216299159553
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12025251/united-cruise-past-villa
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Trezeguet - our first neither footed player since Stuart Downing, with the vision of Stevie Wonder, the presence of Ashley Westwood, the finishing of Tonev and and the composure of a cat with a banger tied to it's arse. But at it least it raises our profile in Egypt.
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How is it that they take half a fucking hour on some decisions, but on the clearest non penalty I've ever seen, they confirm the ref's decision in 10 seconds? My Man U supporting mate who I was watching the game with, was worried the Man U player was going to get sent off for raking his foot down our player's ankle. He burst out laughing when the penalty was given.
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I wish it didn't still piss me off so much.
In other footie news Zombie FC are coming to Brum in a couple of weeks to play Coventry. That should cheer you up. ;)
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How long before the original Trezeguet gets in touch and demands that this one changes his name to something that won’t tarnish his legacy? This one isn’t fit for purpose. In fact, I wish we’d signed the French one instead.
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Well the penalty was right up there in the shit-refereeing-in-Villa-ManU-matches with Vidic not being sent off. But the result was completely unsurprising. I’m now more worried about Norwich overhauling us.
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We really don’t deserve Douglas Luiz.
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Seriously, are Davis and Samatta the best two fit strikers we have at the club? They are an absolute horror show week in, week out. Watching them is like a magnet to a battery on my very soul.
Samatta is dreadful. All those fans back in Tanzania going mad about him. I'm very curious what they all see. Shockingly bad.
Thought he looked useful before the break, but has been getting progressively worse by the game after the resumption. Being so isolated doesn't help I suppose.
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We really don’t deserve Douglas Luiz.
He looked absolutely disgusted with the lack of quality around him tonight.
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Confirmed that the penalty was the wrong decision
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1281348216299159553
Already knew all that, but am comforted to know that an organization with no interest in getting things right can see what every viewer with a pair of eyes (apart from their appointed officials) can. Fuckwits.
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That admission just makes it worse. There was no way on earth anybody giving that even a cursory glance can have concluded that was a penalty. It's just pure cheating.
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I would have preferred if a Villa player had got himself sent off telling Moss to stick his whistle up his arse. Disappointing thing was lack of reaction specially from out skipper.
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I've only seen 2 people think it was a penalty, and it was the 2 ****** that gave it. I haven't even seen a sha or manure fan reckon it was a penalty.
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We really don’t deserve Douglas Luiz.
He looked absolutely disgusted with the lack of quality around him tonight.
Yes but he contributed nothing prior to restart so let’s not revise history.
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I've only seen 2 people think it was a penalty, and it was the 2 c***s that gave it. I haven't even seen a sha or manure fan reckon it was a penalty.
Same. I watched the game with an Arsenal and a Yanited fan. Nobody in the room thought it was a pen.
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The pub was full of Manchester United fans, and none of them thought it was a penalty. Absolutely disgraceful decision.
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Trezeguet - our first neither footed player
That made me laugh, very good.
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Trezeguet both looks, and plays, like a chubby teenage girl.
He is absolutely shit, easily the biggest waste of money last summer.
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Confirmed that the penalty was the wrong decision
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1281348216299159553
Already knew all that, but am comforted to know that an organization with no interest in getting things right can see what every viewer with a pair of eyes (apart from their appointed officials) can. Fuckwits.
Not just us there was an error in all 3 games with VAR , what a complete joke
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Confirmed that the penalty was the wrong decision
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1281348216299159553
In my view, sitting in a pub, I relaxed on replay as it was obviously not a penalty. That it was given was understandable but then not overruled by VAR? Ridiculous.
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Well that was exactly what I feared it would be. When the 2nd went in I just got ready and went to the 6.30am spin class at my gym - absolutely no point in hanging on for the comeback.
As has been said, did well for 20 mins, appalling refereeing decision that VAR inexplicably allowed (anyone seriously think had it been the other way the decision would have stood?)and then just brain dead football on half time. If they wont put a shift in (Yes i'm looking at you Tyrone Mings) then why the fuck should I. Spin's good for getting frustration out I find.
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How is it that they take half a fucking hour on some decisions, but on the clearest non penalty I've ever seen, they confirm the ref's decision in 10 seconds? My Man U supporting mate who I was watching the game with, was worried the Man U player was going to get sent off for raking his foot down our player's ankle. He burst out laughing when the penalty was given.
Quite. Imagine being a player who's given his all up to that point. Who's done well and given us the best opportunities. Then two people decide it's a fucking penalty. It would be like a knife to the heart.
They should be suspended or removed from senior duty until a full investigation has happened and the result been given to both sides.
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If they didn't remove Kevin Friend after that Palace abomination then they'll do nothing to these clowns.
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One of them is back for our next game.
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3 nil flattered us.
Mings, Mcginn and Grealish all pathetic.
Had it with Smith; 2 points from 30.
2 points from 30?!! Fucking hell! How are they still in a job!!?
I guess the one saving grace is that the season ticket holders got some of their money back and didn’t have to sit there watching that drivel?
I've had no money back.I was told that they would be in touch. Heard nothing since.
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So MOTD says the "Premier League Match Centre" confirmed three wrong penalty calls just in tonight's games. They can see it. We can see it. Why can't the VARs, with all that modern technology can offer in terms of angles and viewpoints, see it? It smacks at the least of lack of integrity and cronyism, At worst it smacks of corruption. It really does make you wonder what the point is.
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Corruption, that's an interesting word. I must confess, since our return to the top flight, I think this is the first season I have smelled genuine corruption. The first ten games or so stank.
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I have heard the post match interview. Smith said nothing except to complain about the penalty decision. He said nothing about what went wrong or what he is going to do to put it right. He has given up hope.
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I’ve got all of my money back and won’t be spending a brass ha’penny of it on watching Villa next season.
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Comments from Football 365 on the "penalty"
4) On that penalty: What was Ezri Konsa supposed to do? Fernandes’ attempt at a roulette failed and it was he who initiated the contact. Konsa barely moved and, yes, on the basis that Fernandes was very much the aggressor, he was fortunate not to be booked himself. Or worse.
5) …and isn’t the pay-off for putting up with VAR’s dull idiosyncrasies meant to be protection from this kind of idiocy?
It was obviously an error, it should obviously have been overturned, and so the failure to intervene is just another blunder from a system which really doesn’t seem fit for purpose and, at the moment, appears overly-concerned with protecting the reputation of an under-talented group of referees.
Some of them are truly atrocious, but they’re now entitled to protection from themselves.
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The only person fatter than McGinn on the pitch was the ref, surely they should be fitter than that.
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Realistically, I think most of us already know our fate but, may well be confirmed by 2.30pm this Saturday after the West Ham and Watford matches which both kick off at 12.30pm.
I know a few will disagree but I can only go by our pretty pathetic attempts to win matches since the restart.
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Nobody expected us to beat Utd. It’s still in our hands though. I’ll still believe we can do it until it’s out of our hands. We do look to be down though, but you never know. The worst thing about it all is that I think we deserve to go down for being so shit.
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Only watched the last quarter of the game, i get people are upset about the penalty decision but didn't we have a decision go for us two weeks ago when the ball was definately over the line. Diabolical decisions happen every week, not all teams raise the white flag.
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Only watched the last quarter of the game, i get people are upset about the penalty decision but didn't we have a decision go for us two weeks ago when the ball was definately over the line. Diabolical decisions happen every week, not all teams raise the white flag.
what about-isms..
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Trezeguet both looks, and plays, like a chubby teenage girl.
He is absolutely shit, easily the biggest waste of money last summer.
I know nothing about the standard of play of chubby teenage girls, but I take your point.
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I decided to watch it again on motd as I'm a bit of a masochist. Dublin and Cahill both called that pen a joke and pointed out that absolutely no-one who had ever played football would think that was a pen. Cue Solskjaer "I thought it was a pen" I shouted "fuck off ollie" at the telly which scared the bejeesus out of my sleeping Mrs. With that kind of one eyed myopia I think the new Fergie has arrived at OT. Just something else to ruin my already ruined evening.
Yes, what a c*** Solskjaer is. I hope they bin him off in the summer. But then again, why would they. And also, they'd only end up getting someone really good.
Fuck them, fuck him and fuck our useless bunch of degenerates.
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So MOTD says the "Premier League Match Centre" confirmed three wrong penalty calls just in tonight's games. They can see it. We can see it. Why can't the VARs, with all that modern technology can offer in terms of angles and viewpoints, see it? It smacks at the least of lack of integrity and cronyism, At worst it smacks of corruption. It really does make you wonder what the point is.
It is corruption, how can it be anything else.
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So MOTD says the "Premier League Match Centre" confirmed three wrong penalty calls just in tonight's games. They can see it. We can see it. Why can't the VARs, with all that modern technology can offer in terms of angles and viewpoints, see it? It smacks at the least of lack of integrity and cronyism, At worst it smacks of corruption. It really does make you wonder what the point is.
It is corruption, how can it be anything else.
It’s absolutely corrupt. They can sit there for four minutes and work out Wesley’s heel is offside in a different phase of the game against Burnley, but they can’t see that last night.
They can’t get involved when Kevin Friend gets a brown envelope from Crystal Palace.
If that had been the other way around last night, it would have been reversed, 100%.
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The only person fatter than McGinn on the pitch was the ref, surely they should be fitter than that.
He looks in really poor condition, heavily legged and lacking mobility.
Special call out to Mings as well for backing off Greenwood, giving him a free shot and holding his bollocks. Shameful.
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There is a lot of money resting on Manure being in the Champions League next season, an awful lot of money.
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I have just read the post by Ads and I totally agree with him
We had 2 months in lock down to prepare for 10 games and it looks as though most of that time our players watched box sets and ate pizza (apart from Luiz), I don't know what dvds Dean was watching (probably Debbie does Dallas)
The most disappointing thing about last night was after they scored (they were given that penalty), where was our fight and determination to get back into the game we were only losing 1-0, unfortunately it looks as though we have given up.
I agreed with Keane when he talked about about Mings (why was he inside their Half with 30 seconds of the 1st half to go, he ought to have dragged their player down, and gave away a free kick) also when their player took that shot why was Mings holding his bollocks - someone ought to tell him it is a football not a bullet that is coming towards him!
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For sure the most depressing aspect was our reaction after the iffy penalty decision. No fight , no courage , no leadership and seemingly no togetherness. Doesn’t augur well for the final 4 matches. I do not include Luiz in this bracket as thought he played well yet again.
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Realistically, I think most of us already know our fate but, may well be confirmed by 2.30pm this Saturday after the West Ham and Watford matches which both kick off at 12.30pm.
I know a few will disagree but I can only go by our pretty pathetic attempts to win matches since the restart.
I think we are going down but it won’t be confirmed by Saturday at 2.30om, not mathematically anyway, if both West Ham and Watford win they’ll be 7 points clear of us, we’ll have 4 games left inc palace on the Sunday.
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Watched the game with my villa mad 10 year old, even before the replays he was shouting at the TV that it was a foul by Fernandes. Then he was shouting at the ref that he’d gone 2 mins over stoppage time, before Mings decided to not throw his body on the line. A kid doesn’t need replays to see that’s not a penalty, but those fuckers can’t see it, stinks.
But the team is also rudderless, the so called spine in the team have completely gone missing in action before and post lockdown. Mings shouts a lot at the other players but then won’t close down a kid on the edge of his box, McGinn has shown a couple of glimpses in the last couple of games but obviously hasn’t looked after himself during his recovery and couldn’t wait to get off the pitch, and I don’t know even where to start with grealish, been poor every game inc and since the cup final. Feck knows whose gonna buy those 3 but I wouldn’t be touching them if I was the so called top 4 or 6. Maybe Leicester might buy McGinn because Rodgers wanted him at Celtic.
Trezequet is shite and el Ghazi is too inconsistent and I don’t want to see them anywhere near the team for the last 4 games, but it’s our so called leaders that have let us down. Smith cannot keep banging the same drum before relegation is confirmed, Archer, Vassilev, Barrie, they might not save us but I bet they would at least show some energy and enthusiasm.
In the cold light of day I’m still as pissed off as I was last night.
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Only watched the last quarter of the game, i get people are upset about the penalty decision but didn't we have a decision go for us two weeks ago when the ball was definately over the line. Diabolical decisions happen every week, not all teams raise the white flag.
Very true - but for me the point is it has happened systematically against Man United for 25 years. Over the season I also think we’ve had more go against us than for.
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I've only seen 2 people think it was a penalty, and it was the 2 c***s that gave it. I haven't even seen a sha or manure fan reckon it was a penalty.
There's 3 people actually. Solskjaer in true one eyed Fergie fashion said on motd "I thought it was a pen" Absolute wanker.
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What is the fucking point anymore?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53357841
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The whole thing needs to be canned. It ruins the flow of the game, leaves decisions up to people with no competence and favours the more aggressive clubs, who moan more. It has been a complete waste of time and just does not work well in football. Cricket, yes. Football, an absolute no. For elbows off the ball, normal replays could be used, instead of asking some spotty wanker to come up with a judgement. The Tottenham non-penalty was also a farce. VAR is still opinion based and whilst that remains the same, it cannot work.
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we won’t have to worry about VAR next season !
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Watched the game with my villa mad 10 year old, even before the replays he was shouting at the TV that it was a foul by Fernandes. Then he was shouting at the ref that he’d gone 2 mins over stoppage time, before Mings decided to not throw his body on the line. A kid doesn’t need replays to see that’s not a penalty, but those fuckers can’t see it, stinks.
But the team is also rudderless, the so called spine in the team have completely gone missing in action before and post lockdown. Mings shouts a lot at the other players but then won’t close down a kid on the edge of his box, McGinn has shown a couple of glimpses in the last couple of games but obviously hasn’t looked after himself during his recovery and couldn’t wait to get off the pitch, and I don’t know even where to start with grealish, been poor every game inc and since the cup final. Feck knows whose gonna buy those 3 but I wouldn’t be touching them if I was the so called top 4 or 6. Maybe Leicester might buy McGinn because Rodgers wanted him at Celtic.
Trezequet is shite and el Ghazi is too inconsistent and I don’t want to see them anywhere near the team for the last 4 games, but it’s our so called leaders that have let us down. Smith cannot keep banging the same drum before relegation is confirmed, Archer, Vassilev, Barrie, they might not save us but I bet they would at least show some energy and enthusiasm.
In the cold light of day I’m still as pissed off as I was last night.
I agree with all of that. When the whistle went I thought the ref had given us a free kick. I cannot see anyone banging our door down to buy either Mings or McGinn and in all honesty I can’t see where Grealish would fit in at ManU or any other current top six side with the possible exception of Spurs or maybe Leicester.
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The PL are afraid to use VAR to go against the decision made by the ref', as they probably think it will undermine any future decision making by ref's.
Even the BBC are afraid to call out the referees mistake
The Portuguese pirouetted on the ball and appeared to catch Villa defender Ezri Konsa's leg - but referee Jon Moss awarded a penalty, a decision supported by VAR.
they should look at the referees in Rugby, they always ask for support, "is there any reason why i cannot award a penalty/try?", then VAR is seen as supporting the ref in his decision making not disagreeing with him.
We would have lost the game anyway, but i'm still pissed off with that fucking bullshit decision.
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Seriously, are Davis and Samatta the best two fit strikers we have at the club? They are an absolute horror show week in, week out. Watching them is like a magnet to a battery on my very soul.
Samatta is dreadful. All those fans back in Tanzania going mad about him. I'm very curious what they all see. Shockingly bad.
He looks depressed, for want of a better word, since the season restarted. I wonder how much support he got during lockdown.
But when you see Jack volley over when he could have squared it for a tap in, you are not going to feel great about things.
I’m sure his massive undeserved salary got him through it bless him.
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I have hated var since I saw the first offside given for a toenail offside. They say it follows the letter of the law. Well breaking news- it doesn't. The letter of the law says "if a player is deemed to be in an offside position WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" If your going on such miniscule margins to call an offside then you have to be certain of the PRECISE moment the ball leaves the passing players foot. It's the elephant in the room which proves VAR is fundamentally flawed. Then you give all the power to the referee's pals to make a judgement call and guess what? They just use it to back their pals up to the hilt. With all the money involved in top flight football I'm surprised that no club has made a legal challenge over it. I'm beginning to despise top flight football.
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I have hated var since I saw the first offside given for a toenail offside. They say it follows the letter of the law. Well breaking news- it doesn't. The letter of the law says "if a player is deemed to be in an offside position WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" If your going on such miniscule margins to call an offside then you have to be certain of the PRECISE moment the ball leaves the passing players foot. It's the elephant in the room which proves VAR is fundamentally flawed. Then you give all the power to the referee's pals to make a judgement call and guess what? They just use it to back their pals up to the hilt. With all the money involved in top flight football I'm surprised that no club has made a legal challenge over it. I'm beginning to despise top flight football.
I hate VAR and always have. The problem is the “off side by a toe nail” is factually always correct and easy to give. Incidents like last night’s penalty come down to one mans opinion, some would give it the majority wouldn’t. It was always going to be this way the minute VAR was brought in.
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I never thought i would see us plumb the depths of the Sherwood/Garde era for spine free team performances. Yes the penalty was a joke but you use the injustice of that to energise as a team or, alternatively, you curl up into a ball hoping they don't kick you too hard. No prizes for guessing which one this Villa team did.
Witless, gutless, useless.
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I have hated var since I saw the first offside given for a toenail offside. They say it follows the letter of the law. Well breaking news- it doesn't. The letter of the law says "if a player is deemed to be in an offside position WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" If your going on such miniscule margins to call an offside then you have to be certain of the PRECISE moment the ball leaves the passing players foot. It's the elephant in the room which proves VAR is fundamentally flawed. Then you give all the power to the referee's pals to make a judgement call and guess what? They just use it to back their pals up to the hilt. With all the money involved in top flight football I'm surprised that no club has made a legal challenge over it. I'm beginning to despise top flight football.
I hate VAR and always have. The problem is the “off side by a toe nail” is factually always correct and easy to give. Incidents like last night’s penalty come down to one mans opinion, some would give it the majority wouldn’t. It was always going to be this way the minute VAR was brought in.
Offside by a toe nail also comes down to one man's opinion, specifically his opinion of the precise instant at which the ball is delivered. Every frame he gets it wrong he is wrong by 1/50 of a second during which time a receiving player running at 10mph will have travelled over 2 inches.
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VAR was not to blame for us not beating ten man West Ham, or losing home and away to Bournemouth, or conceding two goals to a godawful ten man Watford, or being unable to see games against Spurs out to a draw, etc etc etc.
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I have hated var since I saw the first offside given for a toenail offside. They say it follows the letter of the law. Well breaking news- it doesn't. The letter of the law says "if a player is deemed to be in an offside position WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" If your going on such miniscule margins to call an offside then you have to be certain of the PRECISE moment the ball leaves the passing players foot. It's the elephant in the room which proves VAR is fundamentally flawed. Then you give all the power to the referee's pals to make a judgement call and guess what? They just use it to back their pals up to the hilt. With all the money involved in top flight football I'm surprised that no club has made a legal challenge over it. I'm beginning to despise top flight football.
I hate VAR and always have. The problem is the “off side by a toe nail” is factually always correct and easy to give. Incidents like last night’s penalty come down to one mans opinion, some would give it the majority wouldn’t. It was always going to be this way the minute VAR was brought in.
You missed my point there mate.The offside by a toenail is not factually correct. By the letter of the law a player is deemed to be offside when the ball is played. So if you're being so precise in giving offside for tiny margins then by definition you have to be just a precise as to when the ball actually leaves the passing players boot. It's the reason big companies are looking ar developing technology which will define this. Arsene Wenger has been asked by fifa to look into the offside situation to come up with a better way of doing it. Personally I think it's simple. The ref takes a look at a pitch line monitor and he can't decide if it's offside or not without the aid of a protractor or NASA technology then it's not offside. It can be made that simple in my view.
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VAR was not to blame for us not beating ten man West Ham, or losing home and away to Bournemouth, or conceding two goals to a godawful ten man Watford, or being unable to see games against Spurs out to a draw, etc etc etc.
You're right of course but it's a great distraction from just how crap our team is right now.
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Completely agree Edge.
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I have hated var since I saw the first offside given for a toenail offside. They say it follows the letter of the law. Well breaking news- it doesn't. The letter of the law says "if a player is deemed to be in an offside position WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" If your going on such miniscule margins to call an offside then you have to be certain of the PRECISE moment the ball leaves the passing players foot. It's the elephant in the room which proves VAR is fundamentally flawed. Then you give all the power to the referee's pals to make a judgement call and guess what? They just use it to back their pals up to the hilt. With all the money involved in top flight football I'm surprised that no club has made a legal challenge over it. I'm beginning to despise top flight football.
I hate VAR and always have. The problem is the “off side by a toe nail” is factually always correct and easy to give. Incidents like last night’s penalty come down to one mans opinion, some would give it the majority wouldn’t. It was always going to be this way the minute VAR was brought in.
Offside by a toe nail also comes down to one man's opinion, specifically his opinion of the precise instant at which the ball is delivered. Every frame he gets it wrong he is wrong by 1/50 of a second during which time a receiving player running at 10mph will have travelled over 2 inches.
Thank you. You put into simple terms what I've been waffling on about for ages. 😁
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if there was no VAR last night it would still have been a penalty as that’s what the ref gave
VAR is there to right the wrongs but it failed last night
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if there was no VAR last night it would still have been a penalty as that’s what the ref gave
VAR is there to right the wrongs but it failed last night
Until VAR is independently reviewed its never going to work. Its old boys club protecting their mates. Its not the tech, its the morons using it
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I've decided I don't want football on my birthday after all. At least it was the night before.
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I've decided I don't want football on my birthday after all. At least it was the night before.
Happy Birthday
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Hit the post and then United waltz down the pitch and win a "pen".
Don't know what we've done to deserve it, but the footballing Gods are really shitting on us.
Good and bad decisions are supposed to even out; but when it comes to VAR it doesn't seem to be the case this season.
Mind you we're still less than the sum of our parts and that's why we are where we are.
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I never thought i would see us plumb the depths of the Sherwood/Garde era for spine free team performances. Yes the penalty was a joke but you use the injustice of that to energise as a team or, alternatively, you curl up into a ball hoping they don't kick you too hard. No prizes for guessing which one this Villa team did.
Witless, gutless, useless.
Agreed and that attitude was perfectly summed up by Mings standing still holding his bollocks while Greenwood picked his spot. Despicable.
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Last night illustrated just how fragile our confidence is, which is inevitable for a team in our position. Until the ridiculous penalty award we were the better side but it was like a switch had transferred that self belief from us to them and from that point the result the inevitable.
You just know that if it had been Samatta going down in the box there would have been no penalty and he’d have probably got booked for diving.
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Our galcticos
Mings
McGinn
Grealish
They can all fuck off for me
McGinn - for not being in condition - he has had long enough and Douglas is fitter than ever
Mings - Has become a media darling whilst forgetting to actually play football - a coward and a bottler - every game there is a mistake and most usually a goal directly attributed to him.
Grealish - Hype has gone to his head - where is the Captain screaming at others that they are not good enough - Souness is right he is fouled so much because he hogs the ball too long
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Last night illustrated just how fragile our confidence is, which is inevitable for a team in our position. Until the ridiculous penalty award we were the better side but it was like a switch had transferred that self belief from us to them and from that point the result the inevitable.
You just know that if it had been Samatta going down in the box there would have been no penalty and he’d have probably got booked for diving.
He did go down in the box early in the second half actually and I thought it ought to have been looked at. But no, not a sniff.
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If the ref hadn’t given the pen, but VAR reviewed the incident, there is no way VAR would have called a penalty. No way.
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The confidence is rock bottom and unfortunately Man U look a decent outfit nowadays. We played very well I thought up to their goal. The shot by Trez was almost perfectly executed, but then they just go and get a shite penalty. It's really difficult for weaker teams in games nowadays. No crowd, drink breaks, 5 subs, they all favour the stronger teams. It's hard to keep momentum and get in the other teams faces when there is no crowd behind and the games are being broken up. Has anyone even seen a scuffle between players since the games restarted? It's all so sanitised.
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Our galcticos
Mings
McGinn
Grealish
They can all fuck off for me
McGinn - for not being in condition - he has had long enough and Douglas is fitter than ever
Mings - Has become a media darling whilst forgetting to actually play football - a coward and a bottler - every game there is a mistake and most usually a goal directly attributed to him.
Grealish - Hype has gone to his head - where is the Captain screaming at others that they are not good enough - Souness is right he is fouled so much because he hogs the ball too long
A coward? Really?
Or just a player struggling for form whilst fighting a constant onslaught with mediocre players around him?
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Yes, calling Mings a coward is very harsh.
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Yeah I don’t see validity in that assessment. He’s careless at times and in poor form, but I don’t think he’s a coward.
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It was a very sorry attempt at stopping the second goal last night. Turning his back while cupping his slenders isn't exactly exhibiting much in the way of desire and bravery.
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Last night confirmed to me we're an absolute shambles of a side.
A side (i wont use the word team to describe us) without a backbone or any sort of leadership. We've made a complete pigs ear of this season and the opportunity to retain the hard earned return to the PL
Now we've got to go through it all again and God knows how long that will take. The only saving grace being i really enjoyed the Championship the first time around, whether that'll last for another period down there is another thing entirely of course.
Time to call out the bigger name players for offering the square root of fuck all when it's been needed. Jack, Reina, Mings being the prime three. McGinn can be excused purely for the reason he's come back from injury into an absolute shit show with zero time to rebuild his match fitness.
Up until that penalty decision last night i actually thought we were playing quite well, we offered no attacking threat of course but we were well in the game. But that decision killed us. I'm not blaming VAR, although it was wrong i'm blaming the weak surrender of the players (most of them at least) when something goes against them. Absolute classic bottle jobs.
To think someone like Yorke, after ten years of service got treated like a ****** after his Everton 'performance', how are we going to treat the likes of Jack and Mings if we come up against them again? They've been absolutely shit since the restart. Mings hasn't really looked decent since his England call up even. But it's Jack's complete fall from grace that's got me in the gut. He's supposed to be one of us. And i expected him to show some fight if nothing else. How wrong that assumption was.
Luiz for captain next season please.
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It isn’t and everything about that goal stank to high heaven but I don’t see that as a reflection of his character, more that his defending over a 20 second period was woeful.
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There isn't a hope of Luiz being here next season.
We will watch him go on and achieve elsewhere.
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There isn't a hope of Luiz being here next season.
We will watch him go on and achieve elsewhere.
Yep.
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Apologies chaps if this has been done before (and apologies for the formatting)
After our habitual defeat to Man U last night I thought I would really depress myself and analysis our results against the teams that usually finish in the top six - I refuse to use Sky’s favourite phrase
We all know who they are but for the avoidance of doubt - Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U and Man C
I didn’t realise just how depressing the exercise would turn out to be
P W D L F A Pts %
2010/11 12 3 3 6 14 24 12 33
2011/12 12 1 1 10 9 26 4 11
2012/13 12 1 1 10 8 33 4 11
2013/14 12 3 1 8 12 26 10 28
2014/15 12 2 1 9 8 26 7 19
2015/16 12 0 1 11 3 32 1 3
2020/21 11 0 1 10 11 31 1 3
Totals 83 10 9 64 65 198 39 16
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Last night illustrated just how fragile our confidence is, which is inevitable for a team in our position. Until the ridiculous penalty award we were the better side but it was like a switch had transferred that self belief from us to them and from that point the result the inevitable.
The penalty was a joke, however what you've described there could be said about half of our games this season.
Start strongly, better side, concede goal, give up.
The difference is that last night it came from a dodgy penalty, but the flow of events is largely the same. Depressingly so.
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It was a very sorry attempt at stopping the second goal last night. Turning his back while cupping his slenders isn't exactly exhibiting much in the way of desire and bravery.
And then ten minutes later he's picked up screaming at the rest of the players to 'show something'.
Start off with a close look at yourself, Tyrone.
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I've decided I don't want football on my birthday after all. At least it was the night before.
Happy Birthday
Cheers!
Probably just 'Birthday' would be more accurate! 😁
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It was a very sorry attempt at stopping the second goal last night. Turning his back while cupping his slenders isn't exactly exhibiting much in the way of desire and bravery.
And then ten minutes later he's picked up screaming at the rest of the players to 'show something'.
Start off with a close look at yourself, Tyrone.
There was a clip of Mings and Grealish trudging off the pitch last night, I think they may have holidayed together for the last time.
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I've only seen 2 people think it was a penalty, and it was the 2 c***s that gave it. I haven't even seen a sha or manure fan reckon it was a penalty.
There's 3 people actually. Solskjaer in true one eyed Fergie fashion said on motd "I thought it was a pen" Absolute wanker.
Heard an interview with him this morning , I might be paraphrasing a bit but he attempted to justify the penalty by saying "Bruno's done what we call his Maradona, a little spin, the boy's put his leg out, and Bruno has to land somewhere and he's landed on his leg and it was a penalty".
So there you go, all cleared up
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I don't get the "gutless" talk. We were one down to the most in-form team on the continent who can destroy you on the break. We could have shown more bravery but we didn't want to ship another five goals.
The first goal was key, we looked like we would get it more than them but they got a lucky break and it was going to be a tall order after that. The timing of the second goal was another kick in the nuts.
But I don't doubt the players tried to get back into it second half, just that we didn't have the quality.
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I don't think for a minute none of them are trying. To me it looks like a massive loss in confidence and lack of quality, especially in the final third.
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Apologies chaps if this has been done before (and apologies for the formatting)
After our habitual defeat to Man U last night I thought I would really depress myself and analysis our results against the teams that usually finish in the top six - I refuse to use Sky’s favourite phrase
We all know who they are but for the avoidance of doubt - Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U and Man C
I didn’t realise just how depressing the exercise would turn out to be
P W D L F A Pts %
2010/11 12 3 3 6 14 24 12 33
2011/12 12 1 1 10 9 26 4 11
2012/13 12 1 1 10 8 33 4 11
2013/14 12 3 1 8 12 26 10 28
2014/15 12 2 1 9 8 26 7 19
2015/16 12 0 1 11 3 32 1 3
2020/21 11 0 1 10 11 31 1 3
Totals 83 10 9 64 65 198 39 16
Well I was wrong I predicted 0 points at the start of the season and we got 1
it's one of Smiths biggest weaknesses as a top flight manager he doesn't know how to motivate or have any idea how to counteract playing against 'those' teams (that normally finish in the top 6)
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What I liked about Dean Smith originally was that against sides like us or Leeds he wouldn't care for reputation and send his Brentford side out to dominate the possession stats and play to win. Didn't always work be he always set up that way. I naively thought that's exactly what he would build with us. I was completely wrong.
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Watching Villa this season is like watching the U12's v U15's.
We compete, but ultimately the bigger boys just move up a gear and we lose.
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Watching Villa this season is like watching the U12's v U15's.
We compete, but ultimately the bigger boys just move up a gear and we lose.
This should be read in a Swiss Toni voice :)
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I have hated var since I saw the first offside given for a toenail offside. They say it follows the letter of the law. Well breaking news- it doesn't. The letter of the law says "if a player is deemed to be in an offside position WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" If your going on such miniscule margins to call an offside then you have to be certain of the PRECISE moment the ball leaves the passing players foot. It's the elephant in the room which proves VAR is fundamentally flawed. Then you give all the power to the referee's pals to make a judgement call and guess what? They just use it to back their pals up to the hilt. With all the money involved in top flight football I'm surprised that no club has made a legal challenge over it. I'm beginning to despise top flight football.
I hate VAR and always have. The problem is the “off side by a toe nail” is factually always correct and easy to give. Incidents like last night’s penalty come down to one mans opinion, some would give it the majority wouldn’t. It was always going to be this way the minute VAR was brought in.
You missed my point there mate.The offside by a toenail is not factually correct. By the letter of the law a player is deemed to be offside when the ball is played. So if you're being so precise in giving offside for tiny margins then by definition you have to be just a precise as to when the ball actually leaves the passing players boot. It's the reason big companies are looking ar developing technology which will define this. Arsene Wenger has been asked by fifa to look into the offside situation to come up with a better way of doing it. Personally I think it's simple. The ref takes a look at a pitch line monitor and he can't decide if it's offside or not without the aid of a protractor or NASA technology then it's not offside. It can be made that simple in my view.
Yes you’re right. I understood the point you were making and it’s also correct how ridiculous the “toe nail” offsides are when we all know that it makes absolutely no difference to the scoring of a goal. But it is factually correct given the conditions you state and are easy to give by the VAR ref, love it or loathe it (I loathe it). My point was where it comes to decisions like last night then it’s back to one mans opinion. Last night he said penalty where the majority would say no way.
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What I liked about Dean Smith originally was that against sides like us or Leeds he wouldn't care for reputation and send his Brentford side out to dominate the possession stats and play to win. Didn't always work be he always set up that way. I naively thought that's exactly what he would build with us. I was completely wrong.
The thing is TV it wasn’t ‘his’ Brentford team.
It was the team that play in the Brentford way and still do.
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What I liked about Dean Smith originally was that against sides like us or Leeds he wouldn't care for reputation and send his Brentford side out to dominate the possession stats and play to win. Didn't always work be he always set up that way. I naively thought that's exactly what he would build with us. I was completely wrong.
The thing is TV it wasn’t ‘his’ Brentford team.
It was the team that play in the Brentford way and still do.
No I get it as proven by Frank, but that's what we thought we were getting.
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Maybe we can take him back under trade descriptions act of 1968
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What I liked about Dean Smith originally was that against sides like us or Leeds he wouldn't care for reputation and send his Brentford side out to dominate the possession stats and play to win. Didn't always work be he always set up that way. I naively thought that's exactly what he would build with us. I was completely wrong.
I don't think you were, that's how he started the season, but we had the stuffing knocked out of us by Leicester and Man City especially, and he lost his nerve and the team lost their confidence
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Watching Villa this season is like watching the U12's v U15's.
We compete, but ultimately the bigger boys just move up a gear and we lose.
This should be read in a Swiss Toni voice :)
That has made me laugh for the first time today 😂
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It seems like Serie A have got VAR about right. The people reviewing tell the referee that they have doubts about his original decision and ask him to review it again on the pitch side monitor. The referee makes the final decision and more often than not, reverses his original decision. They take VAR As a positive thing and are not concerned that they got the original decision wrong. That’s what it’s there for!!
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I've only seen 2 people think it was a penalty, and it was the 2 c***s that gave it. I haven't even seen a sha or manure fan reckon it was a penalty.
There's 3 people actually. Solskjaer in true one eyed Fergie fashion said on motd "I thought it was a pen" Absolute wanker.
Heard an interview with him this morning , I might be paraphrasing a bit but he attempted to justify the penalty by saying "Bruno's done what we call his Maradona, a little spin, the boy's put his leg out, and Bruno has to land somewhere and he's landed on his leg and it was a penalty".
So there you go, all cleared up
I saw him say that last night. What he failed to recognise was that unlike Fernandes, Maradona's Maradona didn't involve missing his second touch and leaving the ball a yard and a half away while he fell over.
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It seems like Serie A have got VAR about right. The people reviewing tell the referee that they have doubts about his original decision and ask him to review it again on the pitch side monitor. The referee makes the final decision and more often than not, reverses his original decision. They take VAR As a positive thing and are not concerned that they got the original decision wrong. That’s what it’s there for!!
The problem here is egos, too many of the refs refuse to accept they've made mistakes so everything is loaded to protect them from having to.
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Maybe we can take him back under trade descriptions act of 1968
It doesn't apply to perishable goods.
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Apologies chaps if this has been done before (and apologies for the formatting)
After our habitual defeat to Man U last night I thought I would really depress myself and analysis our results against the teams that usually finish in the top six - I refuse to use Sky’s favourite phrase
We all know who they are but for the avoidance of doubt - Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U and Man C
I didn’t realise just how depressing the exercise would turn out to be
P W D L F A Pts %
2010/11 12 3 3 6 14 24 12 33
2011/12 12 1 1 10 9 26 4 11
2012/13 12 1 1 10 8 33 4 11
2013/14 12 3 1 8 12 26 10 28
2014/15 12 2 1 9 8 26 7 19
2015/16 12 0 1 11 3 32 1 3
2020/21 11 0 1 10 11 31 1 3
Totals 83 10 9 64 65 198 39 16
Great stats. Cheers.
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Yes, calling Mings a coward is very harsh.
Agreed, absurd heat of the moment nonsense.
I thought he was fine in the first few post-lockdown games.
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What I liked about Dean Smith originally was that against sides like us or Leeds he wouldn't care for reputation and send his Brentford side out to dominate the possession stats and play to win. Didn't always work be he always set up that way. I naively thought that's exactly what he would build with us. I was completely wrong.
The thing is TV it wasn’t ‘his’ Brentford team.
It was the team that play in the Brentford way and still do.
No I get it as proven by Frank, but that's what we thought we were getting.
i think we had about 35% possession against Utd. That’s pretty poor. I know you could have that and still win the game, but it’s still poor
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It seems like they’ve accepted relegation. It’s still in our hands go out do your fucking job and at least try you bunch of gutless ******
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It seems like they’ve accepted relegation. It’s still in our hands go out do your fucking job and at least try you bunch of gutless c***s
Well said, mate.
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I read an article in the Times today, they said that the last thing a good utd team need is an unfair penalty award, and that Villa fans must be fuming at the lack of fight shown by their team.
His point was spot on, the meek shall inherit the second division.
That is us. meek and mild as we go.
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It seems like they’ve accepted relegation. It’s still in our hands go out do your fucking job and at least try you bunch of gutless c***s
It’s not in our hands though,
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Yes it is
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It seems like they’ve accepted relegation. It’s still in our hands go out do your fucking job and at least try you bunch of gutless c***s
Well said, mate.
That’s why we have no chance of staying up. If we were fighting, scrapping, trying everything, who knows - something might turn and we could get some momentum.
With no leaders anywhere, it just won’t happen. We’re just lucky Norwich will finish bottom. Hopefully.
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It seems like they’ve accepted relegation. It’s still in our hands go out do your fucking job and at least try you bunch of gutless c***s
Well said, mate.
You should add "overpaid" gutless c***s
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There are only two refs that I consider to be bent. That twat tonight and his mate Kev.
They should be banned from the game, though I would go for custodial sentences for the pair of crooks.