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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eddiemunster on July 08, 2020, 04:25:00 PM
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The following are to be retained for next season;
Goalkeepers
Heaton, Nyland, Kalinic, Steer,Onodi, Sinisolo, Marschall.
Defenders
Bree, Elmohamady, Engels, Hause, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Taylor,Appiah, Bridge, Revan.D, Rowe, Walker, Burton, Haden, Revan.S, Sohna.M, Zito.
Midfielders
El Ghazi, Grealish, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Lansbury, McGinn, Nakamba, Jota, Luiz,Brunt, Clarke, Ramsey.J, Vassilev, Farr, Lindley, Raiky, Ramsey.A, Sohna.H, Sylla.
Forwards
Davis, Hogan, Wesley, Samatta,Campton-Sturridge, Guy, Tait, Wright, Abldeen-Goodridge, Archer, Barry, Philogene-Bidace, Young.
1st teamers in bold.
If by any chance we keep all of them, who do we need to get in??
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shame we're keeping most of them to be honest....
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Nobody in bold deserves to stay on this season's form. Possibly Heaton and Guilbert. That's it really.
Bin the lot of them. They should be ashamed of themselves, especially people like Nyland, Targett, El Ghazi, Hourihane, Lansbury, Nakamba, Jota and Samatta. Dreadful players.
Anyway, it's probably better to get hysterical in private.
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The following are to be retained for next season;
Goalkeepers
Heaton, Nyland, Kalinic, Steer,Onodi, Sinisolo, Marschall.
Defenders
Bree, Elmohamady, Engels, Hause, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Taylor,Appiah, Bridge, Revan.D, Rowe, Walker, Burton, Haden, Revan.S, Sohna.M, Zito.
Midfielders
El Ghazi, Grealish, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Lansbury, McGinn, Nakamba, Jota, Luiz,Brunt, Clarke, Ramsey.J, Vassilev, Farr, Lindley, Raiky, Ramsey.A, Sohna.H, Sylla.
Forwards
Davis, Hogan, Wesley, Samatta,Campton-Sturridge, Guy, Tait, Wright, Abldeen-Goodridge, Archer, Barry, Philogene-Bidace, Young.
1st teamers in bold.
If by any chance we keep all of them, who do we need to get in??
Nobody if we're in the Championship as its a better squad than got us promoted last time.
More sensibly, we could obviously loose Trezeguet, Jota, Lansbury and arguably Mings without having to replace them directly.
The central forwards (and I include Hogan in that) are more than fit for purpose.
If we loose the expected players (Heaton, Mings, Grealish, McGinn and possibly Luiz) then we'd have to rebuild the midfield and find some pace up front/out wide.
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Bree and Hogan live !
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Campton-Sturridge sounds like the firm of solicitors you'd take with you to Abldeen-Goodridge, of Hatton Garden, to ensure the safe keeping of the valuable antique Philogene-Bidace just purchased at Sothebys.
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Guilbert ?
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Wasn't the Campton of Campton-Sturridge the man who built the five mile long racetrack?
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Bree and Hogan live !
there's probably £50k a week we could do without wasting.
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All depends on which league we are in next season.
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The following are to be retained for next season;
Goalkeepers
Heaton, Nyland, Kalinic, Steer,Onodi, Sinisolo, Marschall.
Defenders
Bree, Elmohamady, Engels, Hause, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Taylor,Appiah, Bridge, Revan.D, Rowe, Walker, Burton, Haden, Revan.S, Sohna.M, Zito.
Midfielders
El Ghazi, Grealish, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Lansbury, McGinn, Nakamba, Jota, Luiz,Brunt, Clarke, Ramsey.J, Vassilev, Farr, Lindley, Raiky, Ramsey.A, Sohna.H, Sylla.
Forwards
Davis, Hogan, Wesley, Samatta,Campton-Sturridge, Guy, Tait, Wright, Abldeen-Goodridge, Archer, Barry, Philogene-Bidace, Young.
1st teamers in bold.
If by any chance we keep all of them, who do we need to get in??
Vassilev listed as a MF?
Where's the MF Carney Chukwuemeka who was attracting interest from other clubs?
Has Sarcic been moved on? Ditto Suliman?
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Nobody in bold deserves to stay on this season's form. Possibly Heaton and Guilbert. That's it really.
Bin the lot of them. They should be ashamed of themselves, especially people like Nyland, Targett, El Ghazi, Hourihane, Lansbury, Nakamba, Jota and Samatta. Dreadful players.
Anyway, it's probably better to get hysterical in private.
AEG and Hourihane did the business for us last time in the second tier. Targett did it at Fulham surprisingly enough. Hard to make any kind of judgement on Samatta, he looked very sharp in his early games but has regressed to non league levels post the restart.
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The following are to be retained for next season;
Goalkeepers
Heaton, Nyland, Kalinic, Steer,Onodi, Sinisolo, Marschall.
Defenders
Bree, Elmohamady, Engels, Hause, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Taylor,Appiah, Bridge, Revan.D, Rowe, Walker, Burton, Haden, Revan.S, Sohna.M, Zito.
Midfielders
El Ghazi, Grealish, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Lansbury, McGinn, Nakamba, Jota, Luiz,Brunt, Clarke, Ramsey.J, Vassilev, Farr, Lindley, Raiky, Ramsey.A, Sohna.H, Sylla.
Forwards
Davis, Hogan, Wesley, Samatta,Campton-Sturridge, Guy, Tait, Wright, Abldeen-Goodridge, Archer, Barry, Philogene-Bidace, Young.
1st teamers in bold.
If by any chance we keep all of them, who do we need to get in??
Vassilev listed as a MF?
Where's the MF Carney Chukwuemeka who was attracting interest from other clubs?
Has Sarcic been moved on? Ditto Suliman?
Suliman plays in Portugal now
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Suliman joined Portuguese side Vitoria Guimaraes for an undisclosed fee in January. Came on as sub in a 2-2 draw with Sporting Lisbon on 5 June. He's started in 2 games since - both wins, both clean sheets.
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Sarkic is leaving. Either turned down a new contract or wasn't offered one.
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Davis. Pl. 48 Gls. 2
Hogan. Pl. 56 Gls. 7
Wesley. Pl. 21 Gls. 5
Samatta. Pl. 8 Gls. 1
And that my friends, is why we're in big trouble.
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Davis. Pl. 48 Gls. 2
Hogan. Pl. 56 Gls. 7
Wesley. Pl. 21 Gls. 5
Samatta. Pl. 8 Gls. 1
And that my friends, is why we're in big trouble.
Including Wesley as part of the problem is unfair and shows that people still can't see what he was providing. Since he got injured we've scored 8 goals in 12 games, in the 21 before that we scored 28. Put as simply as I can if he doesn't get broken by Mee we're not in the bottom 3 now and our window in January would've been very different. People can point to whatever they like but for me that tackle will be the single most significant action in our relegation, if it happens.
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Davis. Pl. 48 Gls. 2
Hogan. Pl. 56 Gls. 7
Wesley. Pl. 21 Gls. 5
Samatta. Pl. 8 Gls. 1
And that my friends, is why we're in big trouble.
Including Wesley as part of the problem is unfair and shows that people still can't see what he was providing. Since he got injured we've scored 8 goals in 12 games, in the 21 before that we scored 28. Put as simply as I can if he doesn't get broken by Mee we're not in the bottom 3 now and our window in January would've been very different. People can point to whatever they like but for me that tackle will be the single most significant action in our relegation, if it happens.
Yep.
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Davis. Pl. 48 Gls. 2
Hogan. Pl. 56 Gls. 7
Wesley. Pl. 21 Gls. 5
Samatta. Pl. 8 Gls. 1
And that my friends, is why we're in big trouble.
Including Wesley as part of the problem is unfair and shows that people still can't see what he was providing. Since he got injured we've scored 8 goals in 12 games, in the 21 before that we scored 28. Put as simply as I can if he doesn't get broken by Mee we're not in the bottom 3 now and our window in January would've been very different. People can point to whatever they like but for me that tackle will be the single most significant action in our relegation, if it happens.
I’d say we’ve missed Wes, he may have faults but on his game he was a handful and has caused more damage than any of his replacements this season.
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Davis. Pl. 48 Gls. 2
Hogan. Pl. 56 Gls. 7
Wesley. Pl. 21 Gls. 5
Samatta. Pl. 8 Gls. 1
And that my friends, is why we're in big trouble.
Including Wesley as part of the problem is unfair and shows that people still can't see what he was providing. Since he got injured we've scored 8 goals in 12 games, in the 21 before that we scored 28. Put as simply as I can if he doesn't get broken by Mee we're not in the bottom 3 now and our window in January would've been very different. People can point to whatever they like but for me that tackle will be the single most significant action in our relegation, if it happens.
Totally. He's been maligned something rotten on here.
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Injury apart the numbers say Wesley would have scored 9 or 10 goals in a season. I think that is a very poor return on a £22.5 million investment. £2.25 million a goal. Hogan (bought off Dean Smith) cost us £10 million. £1.43 million a goal. Samatta £10 million, £10 million a goal. Davis £400k £200k a goal.
Rule of thumb fag packet numbers I know but the point I want to make is about getting, or not getting, what you pay for.
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We've missed Wesley because his replacements have been worse.
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If Wes would have given us 10 goals or more that would have been a pretty fair return I’d say. It’s just we shouldn’t of gone into this season with just him. Absolute ridiculous decision.
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Injury apart the numbers say Wesley would have scored 9 or 10 goals in a season. I think that is a very poor return on a £22.5 million investment. £2.25 million a goal. Hogan (bought off Dean Smith) cost us £10 million. £1.43 million a goal. Samatta £10 million, £10 million a goal. Davis £400k £200k a goal.
Rule of thumb fag packet numbers I know but the point I want to make is about getting, or not getting, what you pay for.
Doesn't have to repay his entire value in goals over a single season though. In context I'd have been happy with 10-12 from our main striker and the same again from the wingers and backup strikers combined. I said at the start of the season that if we could get near 45-50 goals we'd be safe pretty much regardless of what happened at the other end. Until that Burnley game we were pretty well on track for that. I can't prove it either way but in my opinion we'd be around where Brighton are if we hadn't had those 2 big injuries. Heaton was misfortune but I don't think Wes was, I think Mee saw a chance to leave one in and went for it having been given a bullying all game.
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Just because Wesley was (is)? the best of a bad bunch doesn't mean he's not part of the problem.
By which I am pointing the finger at the recruitment team not the players, who can only be what they are.
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Davis. Pl. 48 Gls. 2
Hogan. Pl. 56 Gls. 7
Wesley. Pl. 21 Gls. 5
Samatta. Pl. 8 Gls. 1
And that my friends, is why we're in big trouble.
Including Wesley as part of the problem is unfair and shows that people still can't see what he was providing. Since he got injured we've scored 8 goals in 12 games, in the 21 before that we scored 28. Put as simply as I can if he doesn't get broken by Mee we're not in the bottom 3 now and our window in January would've been very different. People can point to whatever they like but for me that tackle will be the single most significant action in our relegation, if it happens.
Yep.
Good point. Same as for Heaton. It still bewilders and befuddles me why Archer has not been given any further opportunities to fill the clinical striker void since the Crewe game. He is not even training with the first team and has been stuck at home doing private training for the last few months.
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The thing is with Wes for a big bloke he can't jump.
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A few people mentioned on this site and elsewhere that they had bumped into Pitarch at Villa Park around the January transfer window and asked about the Benteke speculation.
Word was we weren't interested because he doesn't score enough.
We then opt for the Spanish lad who doesn't score goals in the Championship or Premier League.
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We didn't really opt for Borja though, he was bought in on a free and on a pittance as emergency back up only.
Had we signed Benteke it would have been at a huge cost (fee, wages, long term contract, bonuses) for a player hitting 30 and a shell of the player he once was.
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It will be interesting to see how many of the good players that we have currently on the "retained list" will want to stay if we get relegated!
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Has Philogene-Bidace signed a new contract then? I think his was due to run out this summer and was attracting interest from further up the food chain.
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Him and Mungo Bridge have the best names in pop. With the Russian gone, there is a gap to fill.
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Injury apart the numbers say Wesley would have scored 9 or 10 goals in a season. I think that is a very poor return on a £22.5 million investment. £2.25 million a goal. Hogan (bought off Dean Smith) cost us £10 million. £1.43 million a goal. Samatta £10 million, £10 million a goal. Davis £400k £200k a goal.
Rule of thumb fag packet numbers I know but the point I want to make is about getting, or not getting, what you pay for.
The problem is that £22.5m doesn't buy much these days. When you consider market value of players, Wesley currently sits 38th on the list of Premier League Strikers on Transfermarkt. Whilst that isn't scientific or proven it does highlight where we and he currently sit in the pecking order.
If we want a striker that scores lots of goals, we'll need to pay a lot of money and last summer we couldn't afford to.
Wesley hasn't done badly for us. Also he hasn't set the world alight, but for a relatively young player, in a new country, he's done ok. If he'd been signed to complement Abraham for example, rather than to replace him, we'd be feeling far more positive.
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Looks like our long-term FFP survival strategy is to bring through young strikers with unbelievably long names. 50p a letter on the shirts. Kerching.
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Wesley was dreadful, he is only getting better as a result of not playing recently and the struggles of his replacements. Putting our faith in him shooting our way out of the championship would be incredibly foolish.
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Haller at £45m seems a bigger waste of money. Similar scoring rate to Wesley. 7 in 26.
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Wesley was dreadful, he is only getting better as a result of not playing recently and the struggles of his replacements. Putting our faith in him shooting our way out of the championship would be incredibly foolish.
The bold bit is nonsense, plenty of people were defending him before his injury, I personally thought he was doing ok, some decent games some poor ones but I could see that he was learning. Until he got injured I never thought we were in serious danger of going down, since then I can only think of a couple of games where we've looked like we wouldn't be deep in the relegation battle. Before the lockdown Samatta looked right as a striker without actually delivering much (he's been poor since we restarted though) but Wesley looked wrong and yet seemed to have a few key moments every game. With some coaching and a bit of luck in his recovery from the injury I think Wes could go on to be a very effective striker in a top league somewhere and I don't see why so many fans are dismissing him as a failure after 20 games.
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Because football is results driven. The one luxury a team never gets is time.
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Before Wesley got injured we were 3rd from bottom and had amassed 0.9 points per game. Now we're 3rd from bottom, and are on 0.82 points a game. I don't think there's a huge difference to be honest. Wesley doesn't look very well suited to the English game. He isn't quick, he's awful in the air, and he went lots of games without any efforts on goal at all. Very similar faults to Davis and Samatta, with the difference that he cost £22m.
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Before Wesley got injured we were 3rd from bottom and had amassed 0.9 points per game. Now we're 3rd from bottom, and are on 0.82 points a game. I don't think there's a huge difference to be honest. Wesley doesn't look very well suited to the English game. He isn't quick, he's awful in the air, and he went lots of games without any efforts on goal at all. Very similar faults to Davis and Samatta, with the difference that he cost £22m.
Is that a cumulative PPG over the season, or is the .82 just in the games since he's been out?
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Before Wesley got injured we were 3rd from bottom and had amassed 0.9 points per game. Now we're 3rd from bottom, and are on 0.82 points a game. I don't think there's a huge difference to be honest. Wesley doesn't look very well suited to the English game. He isn't quick, he's awful in the air, and he went lots of games without any efforts on goal at all. Very similar faults to Davis and Samatta, with the difference that he cost £22m.
Is that a cumulative PPG over the season, or is the .82 just in the games since he's been out?
God, I love misberalim.
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It will be interesting to see how many of the good players that we have currently on the "retained list" will want to stay if we get relegated!
I can think of at least one would jump ship ASAP.
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The following are to be retained for next season;
Goalkeepers
Heaton, Nyland, Kalinic, Steer,Onodi, Sinisolo, Marschall.
Defenders
Bree, Elmohamady, Engels, Hause, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Taylor,Appiah, Bridge, Revan.D, Rowe, Walker, Burton, Haden, Revan.S, Sohna.M, Zito.
Midfielders
El Ghazi, Grealish, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Lansbury, McGinn, Nakamba, Jota, Luiz,Brunt, Clarke, Ramsey.J, Vassilev, Farr, Lindley, Raiky, Ramsey.A, Sohna.H, Sylla.
Forwards
Davis, Hogan, Wesley, Samatta,Campton-Sturridge, Guy, Tait, Wright, Abldeen-Goodridge, Archer, Barry, Philogene-Bidace, Young.
1st teamers in bold.
If by any chance we keep all of them, who do we need to get in??
Vassilev listed as a MF?
Where's the MF Carney Chukwuemeka who was attracting interest from other clubs?
Has Sarcic been moved on? Ditto Suliman?
The players listed above are from the retained players list. You can see it and download it from the premier league web page.
Vassilev a MF from Villa Squad lists on official club website. The players you named will have all gone by the end of the season if they haven't already.
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Would assume that Mings, McGinn and Grealish will be off, if and when we go down.
Others like Heaton, Douglas (not sure regarding his loan contract) and El Ghazi may go too.
Is James Chester still available? Would have him back. Think Jota will be useful in the Championship.
Players like Lansbury, Hogan and Bree can go
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If you saw Chester last night playing for Stoke against Leeds - you would not have him back!
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Injury apart the numbers say Wesley would have scored 9 or 10 goals in a season. I think that is a very poor return on a £22.5 million investment. £2.25 million a goal. Hogan (bought off Dean Smith) cost us £10 million. £1.43 million a goal. Samatta £10 million, £10 million a goal. Davis £400k £200k a goal.
Rule of thumb fag packet numbers I know but the point I want to make is about getting, or not getting, what you pay for.
The problem is that £22.5m doesn't buy much these days. When you consider market value of players, Wesley currently sits 38th on the list of Premier League Strikers on Transfermarkt. Whilst that isn't scientific or proven it does highlight where we and he currently sit in the pecking order.
If we want a striker that scores lots of goals, we'll need to pay a lot of money and last summer we couldn't afford to.
Exactly.
And if you use the same £ per goal logic, what are the chances of buying the almost mythical 20 goal a season striker for £45m?
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Before Wesley got injured we were 3rd from bottom and had amassed 0.9 points per game. Now we're 3rd from bottom, and are on 0.82 points a game. I don't think there's a huge difference to be honest. Wesley doesn't look very well suited to the English game. He isn't quick, he's awful in the air, and he went lots of games without any efforts on goal at all. Very similar faults to Davis and Samatta, with the difference that he cost £22m.
Is that a cumulative PPG over the season, or is the .82 just in the games since he's been out?
God, I love misberalim.
Not enough to be able to spell it correctly though, unfortunately.
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Would assume that Mings, McGinn and Grealish will be off, if and when we go down.
Others like Heaton, Douglas (not sure regarding his loan contract) and El Ghazi may go too.
Is James Chester still available? Would have him back. Think Jota will be useful in the Championship.
Players like Lansbury, Hogan and Bree can go
Jota couldn't get a game for a truly shite Blues team in the Championship.
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He was good at Brentford. Wouldn't want him as a regular starter next season but we will need cover on the bench.
Championship won't start until mid September and 46 games need to be crammed in so going to be a ridiculous schedule. We can't be competitive at that level with a smaller squad than this season. Already saw what happened to a form when key injuries started to happen from December.
Ultimately a few squad players people don't rate will have to be kept although hopefully they won't be regular starters.
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The following are to be retained for next season;
Goalkeepers
Heaton, Nyland, Kalinic, Steer,Onodi, Sinisolo, Marschall.
Defenders
Bree, Elmohamady, Engels, Hause, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Taylor,Appiah, Bridge, Revan.D, Rowe, Walker, Burton, Haden, Revan.S, Sohna.M, Zito.
Midfielders
El Ghazi, Grealish, Trezeguet, Hourihane, Lansbury, McGinn, Nakamba, Jota, Luiz,Brunt, Clarke, Ramsey.J, Vassilev, Farr, Lindley, Raiky, Ramsey.A, Sohna.H, Sylla.
Forwards
Davis, Hogan, Wesley, Samatta,Campton-Sturridge, Guy, Tait, Wright, Abldeen-Goodridge, Archer, Barry, Philogene-Bidace, Young.
1st teamers in bold.
If by any chance we keep all of them, who do we need to get in??
Vassilev listed as a MF?
Where's the MF Carney Chukwuemeka who was attracting interest from other clubs?
Has Sarcic been moved on? Ditto Suliman?
The players listed above are from the retained players list. You can see it and download it from the premier league web page.
Vassilev a MF from Villa Squad lists on official club website. The players you named will have all gone by the end of the season if they haven't already.
Not quite right. Chukwuemeka isn't on a full academy contract yet so he wouldn't be included. That's why there's been links to other teams, as happened with Crowley a while back the summer they're due to sign is always one where the better players (at any club) start getting offers from elsewhere. I think the delay in adding him is that the club are trying to skip straight to a full professional contract, there was a comment from Purslow a few weeks back that certainly suggested as much.