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Title: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2020, 06:23:16 PM
The score isn’t final but the outcome is. We played better than I thought we would but in the end we were never going to be good enough. We have literally nothing up front, no quality to get the forwards the ball. Jack has been kicked and marked out of all games now. Every team knows that let alone the very best one of all. Today won’t have determined our season. We’ve failed all along the way.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 05, 2020, 06:26:08 PM
I’m going to stick to my opinion...

Last season was too early for us to get promoted. We needed the extra season to rebuild, gain understanding and develop. Sadly, we can’t do that in the Premier League. Coupled that with a dreadful transfer policy, money spunked all up the walls on what is effectively garbage...

If we get relegated again, it will be time to rebuild. Again.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 05, 2020, 06:26:35 PM
Put alot of effort in, but we're just boring as fuck with no threat going forward.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2020, 06:26:42 PM
Like many games this season, we do enough against the top teams to take points but game management lets us down time and time again.it has proven to be Smiths and our Achilles heel.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: The_ads on July 05, 2020, 06:27:25 PM
Keinan Davies Isn’t good enough
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 05, 2020, 06:27:33 PM
Played well, deserved more. Lack of quality up front costs us again.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 05, 2020, 06:27:33 PM
Depressingly inevitable.

Our defence is incapable of maintaining concentration for 90 minutes, and up front we have all the pace of an asthmatic sloth on sleeping pills.

Whatever division we end up in next season, they'd better sign some players who can fucking run.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: itbrvilla on July 05, 2020, 06:27:40 PM
Keinan Davies Isn’t good enough
I think he's shit
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2020, 06:29:49 PM
Not going to be this game that relegates us, it will be the many other games where we took nothing.

Manager clueless, should have gone ages ago but didn't.

So here we are looking at an awful run in, labouring away with hopeless wingers, zero pace and a striker who has almost never actually scored.

I fucking hope the owners don't decide they've had enough, that's all I can say.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 06:30:34 PM
Lost 2-0 to the best team in the country. I expected us to get battered. Toothless up front and relatively shaky at the back. Why he persists with Davis I just don't understand.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: MillerBall on July 05, 2020, 06:30:49 PM
A valiant effort but did we really ever look as if we had the conviction to score. No wins in 9 games speaks volumes, we are probably in the wrong division. As previously mentioned player recruitment since promotion, has, in the main bern sub optimal.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Mister E on July 05, 2020, 06:30:52 PM
We looked fairly accomplished in many respects, but we're so lightweight upfront and it says something when you have a choice of Jota to come on and leave Trezeguet on the pitch for 80 minutes, or so.
Poor recruitment and no depth in the squad has done for us this season.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2020, 06:30:59 PM
Keinan Davies Isn’t good enough
I think he's shit

He's absolutely nowhere near good enough for this league
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: andyh on July 05, 2020, 06:31:01 PM
Were were bravely holding on until the 3 quarter break.
In that break their manager showed his quality, tells his player to stop fucking about and show theirs.

Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 05, 2020, 06:31:15 PM
Played better than expected, but still lost to a Liverpool side (as expected), on a victory lap.
We’ll get relegated because of the failure to bring a replacement for Tammy in. Blunt up front.
Plus points - Luiz continues to impress, and McGinn is showing improvement.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
Half decent performance, least we didn’t get clouted. But we carry no threat and that’s what will kill us.

Positive

Douglas - excellent again.
AEG - good it shouldn’t have been him to come off.
Taylor - Did quite well.

Negative

Davis - Nowhere near good enough to start in top flight, he’s just not a forward.
Jack - Not at a good enough level for his talent of late.
Subs - ineffectual and Jota was the wrong choice even with our limited options.

Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 05, 2020, 06:31:24 PM
Keinan Davies Isn’t good enough
I think he's shit

Danny Ings or Vardy wouldn't score in this team. We don't create anything.

Can't knock too much today that would be churlish but over a season...

No goals by any midfielder or striker in 5 games since the re-start. I mean that gives you no chance at all..
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: CT Villan on July 05, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
Impotent up top but defence was doing well until Neil F. Taylor went to sleep.

MOTM Luiz (again).

Special mention for Reina's shocking distribution.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: levico on July 05, 2020, 06:31:41 PM
It’s goodnight Vienna, hello Rotherham.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 06:31:47 PM
A better performance but not the point we were hoping for.  The reason why we're in the shit is that generally speaking we lose when we play pretty well, and we lose when we play badly.

Luiz continues to shine, Jack was decent considering his ankle was bothering him, Mings played pretty well, Reina was solid, and AEG looked dangerous.  Fuck all from our strikers who are shite.

The truth is that Liverpool were, as predicted, on the beach and chose to rest some of their top players.  Even that was enough.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 05, 2020, 06:31:59 PM
Lack quality all over the pitch, we’ve bought some absolute gash.
Tactically inept.
Mistake waiting to happen at the back.

I think we might stay up.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on July 05, 2020, 06:32:07 PM
We now need Norwich to find something v Watford, we have to go again v Man U can't see Man u being on there summer break already, its narrowing all the time, it just feels like that mathematical thing waiting to click into place and that's it, have to say it, massive missed opportunity in the first half, just one goal would have made that very hard for Liverpool, we go again.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: CT on July 05, 2020, 06:32:21 PM
Trez is absolutely pitiful.

Surely there’s a better option than him?
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: ez on July 05, 2020, 06:33:32 PM
For all the effort I never believed we do anything other than lose although not the thrashing I thought it would be.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 05, 2020, 06:34:17 PM
I don’t think we deserved to lose and thought we looked reasonably comfortable up to when they scored. But yea up front is our major problem. Seeing jota come on is also uninspiring to say the least. Thought vassilev should of come on earlier.
On the plus side, McGinn did much better and Luiz was good again. Just need to play with that much effort against palace and Everton.
Problem is if Watford beat Norwich before we play Man Utd, it’ll start looking a bit all over for us.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2020, 06:35:06 PM
I’m going to stick to my opinion...

Last season was too early for us to get promoted. We needed the extra season to rebuild, gain understanding and develop. Sadly, we can’t do that in the Premier League. Coupled that with a dreadful transfer policy, money spunked all up the walls on what is effectively garbage...

If we get relegated again, it will be time to rebuild. Again.

There is a lot of truth to that. It was all a bit of a miracle going up last season. And the dramatic squad overhaul Meant we just couldn’t get in the consistent quality of players we actually need at this level to compete. Let alone establish the chemistry that’s critical. That we will likely go down in large part is down to that before you even consider a manager who has proven himself to be out of his depth.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: andyh on July 05, 2020, 06:35:10 PM
In junior football, whether adults or kids, there is always one player who is utterly shit but gets a game every now and again because people feel sorry for him and think he should get a game because he always turns up for training.
Or because his dad drives the mini bus.


That’s Trezeguet that is.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: malckennedy on July 05, 2020, 06:35:32 PM
Didn’t really deserve to lose that. Wish we could take our chances. More shots than them again, 9 against 6 and many other promising attacks. Only Man U to get out the way and we have games where we can pick up points if keep this level up - fancy wins against Everton, Palace and West Ham and maybe a point against Arsenal. 37 points and safety!
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 05, 2020, 06:35:46 PM
Taylor - Did quite well.

Apart from losing Mane for the opening, naff defending.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 05, 2020, 06:37:33 PM
What's the betting Grealish doesn't figure against Man U?
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: myf on July 05, 2020, 06:37:37 PM
I’m going to stick to my opinion...

Last season was too early for us to get promoted. We needed the extra season to rebuild, gain understanding and develop. Sadly, we can’t do that in the Premier League. Coupled that with a dreadful transfer policy, money spunked all up the walls on what is effectively garbage...

If we get relegated again, it will be time to rebuild. Again.

I reckon we'd be in lots of trouble financially if we failed to get promoted. there is some dross in the squad but there is also youth and potential. we can cash in on the assets. I don't see it as a huge rebuild when we go down. we'll need a couple of experienced heads and some pace and we'll be well placed to bounce back
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2020, 06:38:15 PM
Not going to be this game that relegates us, it will be the many other games where we took nothing.

Manager clueless, should have gone ages ago but didn't.

So here we are looking at an awful run in, labouring away with hopeless wingers, zero pace and a striker who has almost never actually scored.

I fucking hope the owners don't decide they've had enough, that's all I can say.


I will defend the owners on most things but I think they made a big mistake not replacing the manager during the season. I said back in February it was time to make a change. I would have brought Allardyce in at that point and said so at the time. We may have still gone down but I think he would have kept us up. I hope upon hope I am wrong but I think we will go down with Norwich and Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 05, 2020, 06:38:29 PM
I’m going to stick to my opinion...

Last season was too early for us to get promoted. We needed the extra season to rebuild, gain understanding and develop. Sadly, we can’t do that in the Premier League. Coupled that with a dreadful transfer policy, money spunked all up the walls on what is effectively garbage...

If we get relegated again, it will be time to rebuild. Again.
Pretty much  this and a change of manager - Smith has been a huge disappointment
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Mister E on July 05, 2020, 06:38:45 PM
Taylor - Did quite well.

Apart from losing Mane for the opening, naff defending.
Both fullbacks were ball-watching for the first goal. Shame, because they'd both had a good game up to that point.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: supertom on July 05, 2020, 06:41:45 PM
Did we play that well, or were Liverpool coasting like it was a day at the beach? I think the latter. A couple of moves up the gears and we were cut apart routinely. Same happened against Chelsea. We're just woefully short on quality. It's difficult to piss on the side too much given it's at Anfield, but Liverpool had an easy game, barely broke sweat. We huffed, we puffed, but were a wet fart of a footballing side and little more.
We're gone now.
We need two seasons in the championship unfortunately. One for rebuild and stabilising because the only players good enough will leave, and the others are next to useless. We need two strikers because we don't have a single decent one at the club. Wesley will leave anyway, for half the price we paid (if that). Samatta will probably go too, but if he did say, I really don't see what he's got about him. I think he'd struggle in the championship and can't handle physical defenders.

The biggest problem we had in coming up was that we lost a huge amount of players. Okay, maybe some wouldn't have been good enough, but losing that continuity in one go is tough. You cannot start virtually a new side when you're coming up to the Premiership. We bulked in August when people compared us to Fulham, well it's happened. Sheffield Utd did well because they kept their side and sprinkled a few sensible buys here and there.

Cash in on Mings, McGinn and Grealish. Sell the dross. Keep the handful of players who might actually stay and be useful in that league, and rebuild with sensible signings. Players with a some time under their belt but a few years ahead. If a club wants Grealish and have a tidy player we can take on loan, get it done. Heaton and Steer as keepers is a good base for next season to start from. That way if we go up in a year or two we can sign 4-5 decent players and have a side in place who already know how to play together. Whoever is making our signings needs to be fired into the sun too. Paddy O'Reilly mk 2. Fucking awful. These players don't fit together, even the few reasonable ones we signed this summer. Take the axe to the club again, top to bottom. Start again, but for the love of McGrath, do it right this time.

Oh and a new manager is absolutely essential.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 06:42:55 PM
Last season was too early for us to get promoted. We needed the extra season to rebuild, gain understanding and develop.
I don't buy that I'm afraid.  The only thing to do in that division is get the fuck out of it as quickly as possible.  I don't buy the assumption we'd have come up the following season, almost certainly without at least one of our best players.   As it was we only finished 5th.

We got promoted, it was up to the management team to sort out our problems and they didn't.  They didn't solve any in January either.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: TonyD on July 05, 2020, 06:43:30 PM
Cracking result.  Was expecting a dire performance and a cricket score.

If Trez was left at home.  We might have scrapped a draw. 

Play like that for the rest of the season and we might stay up. 

Reina gets on my tits. 
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on July 05, 2020, 06:44:18 PM
Not going to be this game that relegates us, it will be the many other games where we took nothing.

Manager clueless, should have gone ages ago but didn't.

So here we are looking at an awful run in, labouring away with hopeless wingers, zero pace and a striker who has almost never actually scored.

I fucking hope the owners don't decide they've had enough, that's all I can say.


I will defend the owners on most things but I think they made a big mistake not replacing the manager during the season. I said back in February it was time to make a change. I would have brought Allardyce in at that point and said so at the time. We may have still gone down but I think he would have kept us up. I hope upon hope I am wrong but I think we will go down with Norwich and Bournemouth.

Smith should have gone before the transfer window, this league takes no prisoners, you dither and you pay the price and that's precisely what we have done, Allardyce would have been a good shout to survive and then go again.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: andyh on July 05, 2020, 06:44:30 PM
Last season was too early for us to get promoted. We needed the extra season to rebuild, gain understanding and develop.
I don't buy that I'm afraid.  The only thing to do in that division is get the fuck out of it as quickly as possible.  I don't buy the assumption we'd have come up the following season, almost certainly without at least one of our best players.

We got promoted, it was up to the management team to sort out our problems and they didn't.  They didn't solve any in January either.
Agreed.
And the club didn’t take appropriate action after Leicester. Which they should have.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on July 05, 2020, 06:46:25 PM
Souness, not a chap I like, made an interesting point about Jack saying he gets fouled so often because he holds the ball too long...watching the game he has a point.. several times an earlier ball would be better. Having said that if all you have is Keinan Davis to pass too it hard not to want to hang on to it...Davis might be a nice lad but premier he is certainly not.
Looking forward, we are probably down but this time hold players like Dougie and Konsa as they will get better, but Jota? No.
Heads held high but no points.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on July 05, 2020, 06:47:03 PM
Last season was too early for us to get promoted. We needed the extra season to rebuild, gain understanding and develop.
I don't buy that I'm afraid.  The only thing to do in that division is get the fuck out of it as quickly as possible.  I don't buy the assumption we'd have come up the following season, almost certainly without at least one of our best players.   As it was we only finished 5th.

We got promoted, it was up to the management team to sort out our problems and they didn't.  They didn't solve any in January either.

Damn right, staying in the Championship one second longer than the bare minimum is a disaster waiting to happen, the more your in that league the more you'll be in that league, its a possessive demanding place. 
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2020, 06:47:23 PM
Reina did ok but poor distribution and Smith picked him for the romance.
Konsa played ok, is beginning to improve and I think will be ok.
Hause did nothing wrong, like Konsa, will improve.
Mings held us together at the back.
Taylor, switched off for their goal and nearly did the dsame a while later.  ******.  I've never rated him.
McGinn played much better, some poor distribution at times but arguable due to lack of movement.
Luiz, I hope he stays with us as I think he's really getting there.
Grealish, in and out of the game, great save from Allyson
Trezeguet, why bother.  Why did Smith leave him one?
El Ghazi, did better than Trezeguet.  The only guy with anything like pace and he gets hooked?
Davis- crap.
Samatta- Championship.
Jota- the Blues fans are still laughing at us.
Indy- We were 1-0 at the time, this was not the game to throw him on, we had a chance of a point, poor kid.

Smith- crap subs.  At the drinks breaks, why is he silent?
Routine win from a side who were excellent earlier in the season but are not quite firing at the moment.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Loxton01 on July 05, 2020, 06:48:14 PM
Another frustrating watch. Liverpool we’re playing at 33% and found a way to get over the line.

We battled and were organised and had a few chances but we just couldn’t take them and that is down to quality and not getting a bit of luck.

The criticism of Davis is breathtaking. He can hold the ball up and keep the defenders occupied. He does the job much much better than Samatta. Issue is Davis is like heskey and needs to bring other players into the game he is not a goal scorer! The issue here is he is our only option and that isn’t good enough for Aston Villa. Please remember we lambasted Wesley and Samatta cannot play a lone striker Role

I thought they all put a lot of effort in. El Ghazi is immensely frustrating he just lacks guts. Trez I thought put a real shift in but simply lacks quality.

If Watford pick up 4 points against Norwich and Newcastle think we are doomed
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: The_ads on July 05, 2020, 06:48:44 PM
Disastrous jan transfer window, two of the signings can’t get a game. West Ham get Bowen and Soucek and both have been excellent.  Trezeguet is absolutely dreadful
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2020, 06:50:04 PM
If you want as vision of supporting Aston Villa, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2020, 06:50:35 PM
Last season was too early for us to get promoted. We needed the extra season to rebuild, gain understanding and develop.
I don't buy that I'm afraid.  The only thing to do in that division is get the fuck out of it as quickly as possible.  I don't buy the assumption we'd have come up the following season, almost certainly without at least one of our best players.   As it was we only finished 5th.

We got promoted, it was up to the management team to sort out our problems and they didn't.  They didn't solve any in January either.
agree Hilts, this we went up too early, ahead of schedule is complete bollocks. We had the resources to do what was necessary, get /retain some experience and get a decent centre forward in. How many teams come up with SJM Jack Mings ?
Our recruitment was lacking and our Manager has exacerbated the problem by being useless at game management.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on July 05, 2020, 06:51:01 PM
If you want as vision of supporting Aston Villa, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.


and that's on a good day...
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: The_ads on July 05, 2020, 06:54:51 PM
Last season was too early for us to get promoted. We needed the extra season to rebuild, gain understanding and develop.
I don't buy that I'm afraid.  The only thing to do in that division is get the fuck out of it as quickly as possible.  I don't buy the assumption we'd have come up the following season, almost certainly without at least one of our best players.   As it was we only finished 5th.

We got promoted, it was up to the management team to sort out our problems and they didn't.  They didn't solve any in January either.
agree Hilts, this we went up too early, ahead of schedule is complete bollocks. We had the resources to do what was necessary, get /retain some experience and get a decent centre forward in. How many teams come up with SJM Jack Mings ?
Our recruitment was lacking and our Manager has exacerbated the problem by being useless at game management.

I think the only defence on the game management theory is the options off the  bench are piss poor. I perhaps would have hooked Trez  at half time and replaced with Samatta, bar that there aren’t a lot of inspiring names
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 05, 2020, 06:55:01 PM
Fuck me, old Souness is no fan of our Jack is he?!
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: The_ads on July 05, 2020, 06:56:54 PM
Fuck me, old Souness is no fan of our Jack is he?!


I think he’s spot on. I think he’s been average since restart. £75m looking a lot of money
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Stu on July 05, 2020, 06:58:54 PM
Was Nyland injured, or did we fancy giving Reina a day out to throw a goal in?
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Bad English on July 05, 2020, 06:59:36 PM
Expected to lose. We weren't atrocious. The worst thing is watching two old Brummie Red school pals on Facebook giving it the casual: "3 points is 3 points. The spark needs to be reignited though. Definitely need Bobby on from the start too."
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 07:01:00 PM
So have we had a post-match from Dean yet?
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: django on July 05, 2020, 07:02:07 PM
I can't agree with all those slating Davis. It's highly likely that he's not going to be Premier league quality, most players aren't, but its almost impossible to judge him from the lack of service he gets.

He's 22 barely played cos of injuries and is not only leading the line on his own, he's playing miles away from our two wingers, neither of whom have pace or tricks, or an ability to put in one decent cross towards him each game. Our midfield is rarely involved in an attacking sense, our set pieces are woeful and our fullbacks don't overlap and get forward. And they're all out of form too.

He may be shit but I don't know how anyone could look good in this side. I think he does well to retain possession quite often and he allows his teammates to lumber up the field in his general direction more than when Samatta plays.

He's far from our biggest problem.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 05, 2020, 07:02:17 PM
Fuck me, old Souness is no fan of our Jack is he?!

I agree with him on this at least. He's a quality player for sure but since the restart what has he done to warrant the attention he gets and talk of a £75 million move?

He needs to influence a game way more than he has been doing, way more..


Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Risso on July 05, 2020, 07:02:21 PM
A better performance than expected, but they still didn't have to break into a sweat to beat us.  That's 2 points and no wins from 5 games now after the restart, and two goals scored.  Not nearly good enough, Dismal Dean out!
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: ktvillan on July 05, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
I can't fathom why Smith persists with Trezeguet when he offers less than nothing.  I'd honestly rather we start with 10 men than play him, but then I suppose we effectively are.  Or preferably give Inidiana a start, or play AEM wide right for his crossing.  Neither could possibly be any less effective.

How did we manage to do a swap deal for Gary Gardner and still come off worse in the deal? 

Also can't fathom why Guilbert or AEM aren't playing at RB if they are fit enough for the bench.  At least with the latter we'd have a decent crosser in the side.

Limited personnel or not Smith doesn't do him self any favours.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Stu on July 05, 2020, 07:06:30 PM
Expected to lose. We weren't atrocious. The worst thing is watching two old Brummie Red school pals on Facebook giving it the casual: "3 points is 3 points. The spark needs to be reignited though. Definitely need Bobby on from the start too."


30 years of hurt guy? I don't know how you cope.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 07:06:55 PM
Aston Villa manager Dean Smith: "I'm disappointed. I don't want to be a valiant loser, we're scrapping for points. To out-shoot Liverpool at home at Anfield, in terms of efforts on goal, it's excellent - but need to take our opportunities. We never found the quality in the final third they did.

"Was it the best time to come to Anfield? Jurgen Klopp teams don't take their foot off the gas, I don't thank him [Klopp] for bringing the three subs on, that strengthened them but we were in the game the whole way through. Unfortunately they beat our press with their quality in the end.

"It's a tough task but we're still in it that's for sure. Our performances since the restart haven't got the results they deserved. We have got to make the most of our chances. We need to keep the belief in the dressing room, it's some achievement to come here and play as we did but we have to maintain the belief. I thought we more than matched them."
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 05, 2020, 07:09:10 PM
I can't agree with all those slating Davis. It's highly likely that he's not going to be Premier league quality, most players aren't, but its almost impossible to judge him from the lack of service he gets.

He's 22 barely played cos of injuries and is not only leading the line on his own, he's playing miles away from our two wingers, neither of whom have pace or tricks, or an ability to put in one decent cross towards him each game. Our midfield is rarely involved in an attacking sense, our set pieces are woeful and our fullbacks don't overlap and get forward. And they're all out of form too.

He may be shit but I don't know how anyone could look good in this side. I think he does well to retain possession quite often and he allows his teammates to lumber up the field in his general direction more than when Samatta plays.

He's far from our biggest problem.

Completely agree with this. The kids has no one near him when he does win the ball. Judging after a handful of games in a struggling side seems beyond harsh.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Villa Lew on July 05, 2020, 07:10:24 PM
At least we didn't get a hammering and goal diff has not been damaged too much, that may well come on Thursday. As everyone is saying absolutely power puff up front and only real decent chance created was Jack's effort in stoppage time. Gotta be worth a try, starting with Vassilev he can't do any worse than Samatta and Davis and surely Barry should at least be on the bench.

Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: manic-road on July 05, 2020, 07:11:48 PM
The difference in quality of substitutions as well as the starting 11 was huge, Jota ran so slowly after coming on it looked like he had just run a marathon for his warm up.

We lack quality up front and poor wide players with no pace, if we go down which looks very likely we will need better players to be in with a chance of coming straight back up.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 05, 2020, 07:12:51 PM
Aston Villa manager Dean Smith: "I'm disappointed. I don't want to be a valiant loser, we're scrapping for points. To out-shoot Liverpool at home at Anfield, in terms of efforts on goal, it's excellent - but need to take our opportunities. We never found the quality in the final third they did.

"Was it the best time to come to Anfield? Jurgen Klopp teams don't take their foot off the gas, I don't thank him [Klopp] for bringing the three subs on, that strengthened them but we were in the game the whole way through. Unfortunately they beat our press with their quality in the end.

"It's a tough task but we're still in it that's for sure. Our performances since the restart haven't got the results they deserved. We have got to make the most of our chances. We need to keep the belief in the dressing room, it's some achievement to come here and play as we did but we have to maintain the belief. I thought we more than matched them."
He's claiming a moral victory ....deluded or just thick?
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 07:12:54 PM
Archer especially would offer far more than Davis but there is currently no Academy training provision.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Gareth on July 05, 2020, 07:13:04 PM
That was our best performance since restart for me but as I’m others have said it’s about outcomes not performances.

The ridiculous & corrupt decision to allow 5 subs so as to favour those clubs with bigger & better squads definitely shafted us today, there is no way Klopp brings on Henderson, Wijnaldum & Firmino as a job lot to change the game.  This whole restart nonsense should never have allowed the PL to change rules that didn’t need changing mid season, games taking place with no crowds should have been the limit.  There is no doubt in my mind this 5 subs was used as a carrot to get the ‘big clubs’ to toe the line.

Hopefully we stick with 4411 for the rest of the season - it looked pretty solid and hopefully for those last 4 games where you won’t be against a Van Dijk we might get a performance from a striker.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 07:13:26 PM
At least we didn't get a hammering and goal diff has not been damaged too much, that may well come on Thursday. As everyone is saying absolutely power puff up front and only real decent chance created was Jack's effort in stoppage time. Gotta be worth a try, starting with Vassilev he can't do any worse than Samatta and Davis and surely Barry should at least be on the bench.
I thought Luiz's shot in the first half was a good chance but unfortunately he smacked it straight to the keeper.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Risso on July 05, 2020, 07:17:25 PM
Davis was utterly abysmal.  A complete non-striker. Every game we have at least one player you don't realise is on the pitch until half time.  So many games where it's like we're playing with ten men.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 05, 2020, 07:20:22 PM
Aston Villa manager Dean Smith: "I'm disappointed. I don't want to be a valiant loser, we're scrapping for points. To out-shoot Liverpool at home at Anfield, in terms of efforts on goal, it's excellent - but need to take our opportunities. We never found the quality in the final third they did.

"Was it the best time to come to Anfield? Jurgen Klopp teams don't take their foot off the gas, I don't thank him [Klopp] for bringing the three subs on, that strengthened them but we were in the game the whole way through. Unfortunately they beat our press with their quality in the end.

"It's a tough task but we're still in it that's for sure. Our performances since the restart haven't got the results they deserved. We have got to make the most of our chances. We need to keep the belief in the dressing room, it's some achievement to come here and play as we did but we have to maintain the belief. I thought we more than matched them."
He's claiming a moral victory ....deluded or just thick?

Not defending smith for the sake of it and like others have no idea why Trez stayed on so long and why jota came on at all. But there was nothing wrong with his interview, I’m not really sure what else he could say?
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2020, 07:23:28 PM
Davis was utterly abysmal.  A complete non-striker. Every game we have at least one player you don't realise is on the pitch until half time.  So many games where it's like we're playing with ten men.
Davis is nowhere near good enough and having to play our way out of a relegation dogfight with this young lad upfront is absolute damnation of Pitarch and Purslow's management of our club.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 07:23:39 PM
Not defending smith for the sake of it and like others have no idea why Trez stayed on so long and why jota came on at all. But there was nothing wrong with his interview, I’m not really sure what else he could say?
For once I don't really have a problem with what he's said post-match but I can't agree that "we more than matched them".  They had 72% possession for one thing.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Villan82 on July 05, 2020, 07:25:15 PM
Project re-start with the 5 subs is truly disgraceful.

As I said here at the time, the charade has killed my (already dwindling) love of football.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2020, 07:26:09 PM
Davis was utterly abysmal.  A complete non-striker. Every game we have at least one player you don't realise is on the pitch until half time.  So many games where it's like we're playing with ten men.
Davis is nowhere near good enough and having to play our way out of a relegation dogfight with this young lad upfront is absolute damnation of Pitarch and Purslow's management of our club.

True. But then we went out and bought a striker and he can’t get into the side over a kid who is horribly short of the required quality at this level. Why does Dean Smith think Keinan Davis is a better option in a relegation fight than a more established and significantly better footballer in Samatta?
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2020, 07:27:55 PM
Looked more organised and I thought McGinn in particular was a lot better.  We looked fairly comfortable, but it was inevitable that they were going to open us up at some point.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2020, 07:28:27 PM
Did Smith play Reina at Anfield for sentimental reasons?
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 07:28:45 PM
Why does Dean Smith think Keinan Davis is a better option in a relegation fight than a more established and significantly better footballer in Samatta?
Basically because he doesn't know what he's doing.  He lost control of it all some time ago.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Ads on July 05, 2020, 07:29:09 PM
I feel if we'd shown as much organisation and effort to close space throughout our previous away games, we would be a lot better off.

I thought we posed them problems hitting the space in beyond but lack the quality in the final ball. Trez disappoints and we are massively behind the quality they could bring on.

We made it tough for them and they had to work very hard. Its points more than performances we need, but I don't think we're capable of the former without the later.

Hard to be too critical, they had won 23 league games at gome on the spin. They got behind our full backs twice and sadly once was with Taylor for the goal. Not overly critical of the 2nd as our midfield had pushed 10 yards further up and they broke beyond Dougie for the first time- we were pushing.

The players need to take some belief from that performance.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: rougegorge on July 05, 2020, 07:29:19 PM
Smith should've gone long ago, but admittedly, it was by and large one of the few reasonable away performances this season.

However,  whilst Liverpool can bring on Wijnaldum, Firmino and Henderson we bring on Vassilev, Jota and Samatta.

Since we restarted, Smith has focused entirely on trying not to lose or not to concede too many, but tightening up the defence is all too little too late, and in the the 5 games so far there has barely been a threat up top.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: LeonW on July 05, 2020, 07:29:31 PM
I think the manager’s confidence has taken just as big a knock as that of the players. Which is why he’s reactive in his substitutions. For all Smith’s defenders are coming out to say the criticism is over reactive, Bruce (and others) would be getting hounded for the performances the team are currently putting in; in a relegation battle!

The winning run last season masks the performances since Leeds at home just before Christmas 2019. If Smith can get us out of the championship on a short winning run, he could probably do it with more time with the much of the same players following a rebuild.

That being said, what he’s got to work with is very limited and I don’t trust Suso to spend the money we get from the likely firesale. I can’t agree with those saying that Suso might do better with more money (better calibre of players, etc). How is the reward for signing players (the majority of whom) look to have decreased in value, to spend even more money?!?? That these players might ‘make it’ in time (not with Villa  if they do). We’ve been doing ‘jam tomorrow’ for a decade. And where has it got us? Villa are not (currently) the size of club that can spend over £100m and say “better luck with the next £100m.” It’s failed premier league thinking. Norwich are going down with more of a fight having pocketed a kings ransom.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 07:29:32 PM
Did Smith play Reina at Anfield for sentimental reasons?
I'd have thought it was because Nyland looks like he's low on confidence.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2020, 07:31:11 PM
Davis was utterly abysmal.  A complete non-striker. Every game we have at least one player you don't realise is on the pitch until half time.  So many games where it's like we're playing with ten men.
Davis is nowhere near good enough and having to play our way out of a relegation dogfight with this young lad upfront is absolute damnation of Pitarch and Purslow's management of our club.

True. But then we went out and bought a striker and he can’t get into the side over a kid who is horribly short of the required quality at this level. Why does Dean Smith think Keinan Davis is a better option in a relegation fight than a more established and significantly better footballer in Samatta?

I wonder whether there are internal wranglings going on here between Smith and Pitarch.  Davis is shit, Samatta is absolutely no better, but at least he has scored a couple of goals.  Is Smith sending a message to Purslow and the owners about the overall lack of quality and by going for Davis over Samatta, he is saying that we have wasted the Samatta money?   Significantly better footballer though TV, never!
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 07:34:24 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12021944/mane-and-jones-see-off-determined-villa
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 07:34:51 PM
Is Smith sending a message to Purslow and the owners about the overall lack of quality and by going for Davis over Samatta, he is saying that we have wasted the Samatta money?   
If the answer to that is yes - and I don't believe it is - then Dean should be sacked immediately.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Gareth on July 05, 2020, 07:35:54 PM
Did Smith play Reina at Anfield for sentimental reasons?

Nope, he played because Nyland has been terrible since restart, putting aside the non-goal vs Sheff U & the throw out to Wolves Jota he has fumbled virtually every ball that has come near him - completely with Dean to change him today.   
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Bad English on July 05, 2020, 07:41:37 PM
Expected to lose. We weren't atrocious. The worst thing is watching two old Brummie Red school pals on Facebook giving it the casual: "3 points is 3 points. The spark needs to be reignited though. Definitely need Bobby on from the start too."


30 years of hurt guy? I don't know how you cope.
That's him.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: themossman on July 05, 2020, 07:44:13 PM
Why does Dean Smith think Keinan Davis is a better option in a relegation fight than a more established and significantly better footballer in Samatta?
Basically because he doesn't know what he's doing.  He lost control of it all some time ago.

Yeah it’s an increasingly weird decision.

Samatta the seasoned international and far greater goal threat dropped for the non scoring Davis.

Presumably it means the manager doesn’t think the striker we bought in January, who was quite likely to be our only striker for the rest of the season, is any good.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Stu on July 05, 2020, 07:46:15 PM
Expected to lose. We weren't atrocious. The worst thing is watching two old Brummie Red school pals on Facebook giving it the casual: "3 points is 3 points. The spark needs to be reignited though. Definitely need Bobby on from the start too."


30 years of hurt guy? I don't know how you cope.
That's him.

We only want our team to get 3 points every game. It just stands to reason.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 07:46:24 PM
Why does Dean Smith think Keinan Davis is a better option in a relegation fight than a more established and significantly better footballer in Samatta?
Basically because he doesn't know what he's doing.  He lost control of it all some time ago.

Yeah it’s an increasingly weird decision.

Samatta the seasoned international and far greater goal threat dropped for the non scoring Davis.

Presumably it means the manager doesn’t think the striker we bought in January, who was quite likely to be our only striker for the rest of the season, is any good.
If Dean thinks Davis carries more goal threat than Samatta then his judgement is as bad as Suso's.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Richard E on July 05, 2020, 07:47:42 PM
Why does Dean Smith think Keinan Davis is a better option in a relegation fight than a more established and significantly better footballer in Samatta?
Basically because he doesn't know what he's doing.  He lost control of it all some time ago.

Yeah it’s an increasingly weird decision.

Samatta the seasoned international and far greater goal threat dropped for the non scoring Davis.

Presumably it means the manager doesn’t think the striker we bought in January, who was quite likely to be our only striker for the rest of the season, is any good.

It’s a choice between a bloke who’s scored one Premier League goal for us and a bloke who’s scored no Premier League goals for us.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 07:51:07 PM
It’s a choice between a bloke who’s scored one Premier League goal for us and a bloke who’s scored no Premier League goals for us.
Or to put it another way, a choice between a bloke who has scored 175 career goals and a bloke who's scored 4.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 05, 2020, 07:54:35 PM
We should appeal to the FA. The playing of Song 2 after a goal has to be a punishable offence.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: steamer on July 05, 2020, 08:03:42 PM
If we are relegated it will not be because of the result today.
It could have been worse, but that is the problem. we do not have a team that we expect to to go out and get a result.
Basically the same shit year in and out since pupe head left, Where do we to from here ?
If we stay up, great, consolidate. Take in the lessons we have learnt and build on them.
If we go down, fuck knows.
It comes down to the ambition of the owners, are they happy to plod along as owners of a middling club with a history or do they want to be a part of something bigger.
They have to make the choice, it seems they are wealthy enough to put up the finance but are they committed to the cause and have a big enough vision. they need to make their intent clear
as fans we are shareholders in this club and need to understand the plan .
We can then comment /discuss and critique the plan today it is silent and not where I thought we would be.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: andyh on July 05, 2020, 08:35:42 PM
How is playing with 2 (crap) wingers and a non scoring rookie centre forward going to keep us up?
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2020, 08:38:24 PM
How is playing with 2 (crap) wingers and a non scoring rookie centre forward going to keep us up?

That is the problem - the continued doing of something which is clearly not working.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Martin Carruthers on July 05, 2020, 08:41:20 PM
We should appeal to the FA. The playing of Song 2 after a goal has to be a punishable offence.

Goals should be disallowed if followed by music. Suppose would have to apply to home goals only in the interests of fairness.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2020, 08:42:20 PM
How is playing with 2 (crap) wingers and a non scoring rookie centre forward going to keep us up?

That is the problem - the continued doing of something which is clearly not working.

So bad is the recruitment and any tactics deployed, I am not sure that there are any other real options, other than perhaps play with a false 9.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Ian. on July 05, 2020, 08:43:49 PM
That’s the best I have seen us play for ages, pressing, winning the ball, playing some nice football, it just all falls flat in the last third. We’ve failed miserably this season by not having quality and pace up top. We was never going to score and since lockdown it’s actually got a whole lot worse going forward.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: adrenachrome on July 05, 2020, 09:02:45 PM
Did Smith play Reina at Anfield for sentimental reasons?

Not one of your most perceptive posts, to be honest.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: AlwaysVilla on July 05, 2020, 09:23:04 PM
First time posting, so be gentle please. Have been supporting Villa 45 years now, so seen it all, good and bad.

It was clear in the Summer that the home market was massively overpriced  and we needed to sign a lot of players. Having to pay £14 Million for Targett and £13 Million for Konza as examples,  not recognised Prem players tells us how much established Prem players would cost. So we ended up buying from cheaper leagues abroad and hoped they would step up. In most cases they haven't.  The truth is I'm not convinced Smith had a final or total say in many signings. This of course does not help when Smith himself has been found wanting tactically too many times this season,  but he is still new to the Prem


Since Post lockdown some of the selections have been baffling I agree (particularly Trez). I do wonder now just how much  Smith has a say in our signings.   When you chose to play Davis (and I would have too) and leave out a £10 mil striker when we can't score goals tells me Smith doesn't rate him or know how to play him. Either way I'm convinced Samatta is not Smiths player, along with many others....and with that, even with relegation, Smith should maybe keep his job and Suso sacked. Smith must then have responsibility to stand or fall by his own signings and hopefully buy players that fit a system he wants us to play
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2020, 09:26:46 PM
The last thing we need is a new poster coming here talking sense.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 09:30:06 PM
The last thing we need is a new poster coming here talking sense.

Multiple log-ins are against site rules, Boss.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 09:32:01 PM
First time posting, so be gentle please. Have been supporting Villa 45 years now, so seen it all, good and bad.

It was clear in the Summer that the home market was massively overpriced  and we needed to sign a lot of players. Having to pay £14 Million for Targett and £13 Million for Konza as examples,  not recognised Prem players tells us how much established Prem players would cost. So we ended up buying from cheaper leagues abroad and hoped they would step up. In most cases they haven't.  The truth is I'm not convinced Smith had a final or total say in many signings. This of course does not help when Smith himself has been found wanting tactically too many times this season,  but he is still new to the Prem


Since Post lockdown some of the selections have been baffling I agree (particularly Trez). I do wonder now just how much  Smith has a say in our signings.   When you chose to play Davis (and I would have too) and leave out a £10 mil striker when we can't score goals tells me Smith doesn't rate him or know how to play him. Either way I'm convinced Samatta is not Smiths player, along with many others....and with that, even with relegation, Smith should maybe keep his job and Suso sacked. Smith must then have responsibility to stand or fall by his own signings and hopefully buy players that fit a system he wants us to play

Welcome. A very fair set of points but personally I just cannot get my head round his persistence in selecting Davis when he is patently not good enough.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Border villan on July 05, 2020, 09:32:09 PM
The last thing we need is a new poster coming here talking sense.

Don’t worry a Dave we will soon drag him/her down to our level of delusion.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 05, 2020, 09:32:16 PM
How is playing with 2 (crap) wingers and a non scoring rookie centre forward going to keep us up?

That is the problem - the continued doing of something which is clearly not working.

So bad is the recruitment and any tactics deployed, I am not sure that there are any other real options, other than perhaps play with a false 9.

Could argue we've played with a false nine all year
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 05, 2020, 09:33:50 PM
I don’t understand how people know that Dean has no choice or say in the players that came. Lots of posters on here know a lot about how we do things. What if, they were Deans choice and he asked others to get them? Of course that couldn’t be right. I will admit I have no idea (unlike a lot on here!) but I don’t see how Dean gets away with this.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 05, 2020, 09:45:20 PM
First time posting, so be gentle please. Have been supporting Villa 45 years now, so seen it all, good and bad.

It was clear in the Summer that the home market was massively overpriced  and we needed to sign a lot of players. Having to pay £14 Million for Targett and £13 Million for Konza as examples,  not recognised Prem players tells us how much established Prem players would cost. So we ended up buying from cheaper leagues abroad and hoped they would step up. In most cases they haven't.  The truth is I'm not convinced Smith had a final or total say in many signings. This of course does not help when Smith himself has been found wanting tactically too many times this season,  but he is still new to the Prem


Since Post lockdown some of the selections have been baffling I agree (particularly Trez). I do wonder now just how much  Smith has a say in our signings.   When you chose to play Davis (and I would have too) and leave out a £10 mil striker when we can't score goals tells me Smith doesn't rate him or know how to play him. Either way I'm convinced Samatta is not Smiths player, along with many others....and with that, even with relegation, Smith should maybe keep his job and Suso sacked. Smith must then have responsibility to stand or fall by his own signings and hopefully buy players that fit a system he wants us to play

Welcome AlwaysVilla.
Good post and I agree with a lot of what you say.
I think he persists with Davies rightly or wrongly as believes he can hold the ball up and bring the wingers and grealish into play higher up the pitch. I think he’s decided post lockdown to go a bit more direct and doesn’t think Samatta can do this job as well. The problem isn’t necessarily Davies per se, it’s the fact when he does get hold of it there’s no one close enough to him. Although we did this better today I thought. I think Luiz played well but should of done a bit better with his half volley, grealish for me should of scored at 0-2 as well. Trez shouldn’t be in the side for the rest of the season for me not Jota, give the kid vassilev a chance.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 09:54:20 PM
I don’t understand how people know that Dean has no choice or say in the players that came. Lots of posters on here know a lot about how we do things. What if, they were Deans choice and he asked others to get them? Of course that couldn’t be right. I will admit I have no idea (unlike a lot on here!) but I don’t see how Dean gets away with this.
No, I don't get that either.  I can't recall anything he or anyone else has said that indicates he's unhappy or feels let down.  Of course he won't have had full say on who we buy but that's not the way this structure works.  Besides, if his picking of Davis over Samatta indicates anything it's that he's not a particularly good judge of a player either.  Who knows who we'd have ended up with if Smith had had full control.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: AVH87 on July 05, 2020, 09:56:33 PM
He certainly wouldn't have had full control at Brentford looking at their model. Probably had more say here than there, clearly knew Konsa, Hause, Mings, AEG and Jota from working with them here or at Brentford.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2020, 10:32:41 PM
I don’t think there is anything suspicious about his picking Davis. I genuinely believe he is trying to play a game where a big CF holds up the ball and the players behind him come in to support. It allows him to pack the midfield and provide greater defensive structure. He cannot play that way with Samatta.

What cannot be denied is that we have looked more resolute at the back. What also cannot be denied is that as a hold up CF Davis isn’t very good and the support players aren’t much better. And the fact that he cannot hold up the ball, something Wesley was much better at means we keep giving it away. This means players like Jack drop deeper and we don’t play higher up the pitch. Now we are better structurally, better organized but in doing so have sacrificed all creativity.

The system we have today isn’t a 4-5-1, isn’t a 4-3-3, isn’t a diamond, isn’t anything really that works. It’s a hodge podge of players and systems that don’t work. That’s the issue.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Villan82 on July 05, 2020, 10:40:28 PM
Liverpool bring on those 3 subs and kills us.

The scales are always against you in this league.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2020, 10:42:14 PM
The five sub rule is a killer for the lower sides. None of us has the depth to compete with the top sides.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2020, 11:14:50 PM
First time posting, so be gentle please. Have been supporting Villa 45 years now, so seen it all, good and bad.

It was clear in the Summer that the home market was massively overpriced  and we needed to sign a lot of players. Having to pay £14 Million for Targett and £13 Million for Konza as examples,  not recognised Prem players tells us how much established Prem players would cost. So we ended up buying from cheaper leagues abroad and hoped they would step up. In most cases they haven't.  The truth is I'm not convinced Smith had a final or total say in many signings. This of course does not help when Smith himself has been found wanting tactically too many times this season,  but he is still new to the Prem


Since Post lockdown some of the selections have been baffling I agree (particularly Trez). I do wonder now just how much  Smith has a say in our signings.   When you chose to play Davis (and I would have too) and leave out a £10 mil striker when we can't score goals tells me Smith doesn't rate him or know how to play him. Either way I'm convinced Samatta is not Smiths player, along with many others....and with that, even with relegation, Smith should maybe keep his job and Suso sacked. Smith must then have responsibility to stand or fall by his own signings and hopefully buy players that fit a system he wants us to play

Welcome AlwaysVilla.
Good post and I agree with a lot of what you say.
I think he persists with Davies rightly or wrongly as believes he can hold the ball up and bring the wingers and grealish into play higher up the pitch. I think he’s decided post lockdown to go a bit more direct and doesn’t think Samatta can do this job as well. The problem isn’t necessarily Davies per se, it’s the fact when he does get hold of it there’s no one close enough to him. Although we did this better today I thought. I think Luiz played well but should of done a bit better with his half volley, grealish for me should of scored at 0-2 as well. Trez shouldn’t be in the side for the rest of the season for me not Jota, give the kid vassilev a chance.

Think something must have happened with Samatta during the lockdown period.  He was clearly the first choice striker before then and was doing OK, but is then dropped to the bench first game back.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2020, 11:19:55 PM
Did Smith play Reina at Anfield for sentimental reasons?
Not one of your most perceptive posts, to be honest.
:)I will accept the criticism entirely. Posted in post match anger.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Skerra on July 05, 2020, 11:26:44 PM
Sadly, Davis can not control the ball very well, does his best, but nowhere like good enough for this standard of football. He may do better in the championship but League 1 would probably be like his standard. Jack has either got his mind on other matters or, carrying an injury. A former shadow of himself. Trez may get some admiring glances from National League teams.
I’m another one that thought DS was a good appointment but, again, sadly not up to Premier League thinking and decision making.
Like others, I’m still hoping for a miracle but, if Watford get a result in their next 2 games, the inevitable will happen.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 11:31:17 PM
It's not inevitable, though.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: ROBBO on July 05, 2020, 11:47:15 PM
The players put the effort in, McGinn showed improvement and Louiz was MOM for me. Our goal average didn't take a hammering as we expected but why Jotta?
Davis like any other centre forward cannot function without support, even Danny Ings would struggle. We expected to lose so i don't see how losing to Liverpool affects our survival, the games against Crystal Palace and Arsenal have more relevence.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 05, 2020, 11:56:10 PM
Davis like any other centre forward cannot function without support, even Danny Ings would struggle.
True but Benteke managed to create chances for himself out of nothing.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Skerra on July 06, 2020, 12:23:08 AM
Legion, just wish I had your enthusiasm but, sadly, our team this season has knocked the stuffing out of me. Each game, I think, today is the day we start turning our fortunes around but, when the match has finished, I’m drained yet again. Still hope that you’re right and I’m wrong though.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 06, 2020, 12:25:11 AM
Don't think our players deserved that result tonight. I liked our shape defensively and in a game of previous few chances I thought we looked the most likely before Manes opener. Thought Reina's dive to stop the second was snowman esque.

Grealish, I'd give him credit tonight as was playing one one leg and was still the classiest player on view. McGinns best performance in months and Luiz was excellent. Effort wise you couldn't fault anyone. That aside the likes of the abysmal Trez and Davis showed how lightweight we are up front. The ball Grealish put in just before half time with his left that Robertson put away for a corner. sorry but a top centre forward scores that. Davis was yards away from even competing with Robertson.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2020, 12:26:12 AM
Liverpool bring on those 3 subs and kills us.

The scales are always against you in this league.

One of them was a 19 year old.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on July 06, 2020, 12:30:04 AM
Dean Smith keeps going on about other teams having better players, not just yesterday, which makes me think that he is having a dig at others who bought the players without his input. As "head coach" he presumably has less influence than he would as "team manager". The people bringing in the players do not have sufficient knowledge about football. This seems to me to have gone on for a number of years and that may be why a lot of money has been wasted.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 06, 2020, 12:35:04 AM
How is playing with 2 (crap) wingers and a non scoring rookie centre forward going to keep us up?

We tried two up top in the last game with similar results.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Gareth on July 06, 2020, 12:53:24 AM
The five sub rule is a killer for the lower sides. None of us has the depth to compete with the top sides.

It did exactly what it was designed to do, it artificially  influenced a result to increase the probability that the top team wins. 

Literally what 4 months after Watford produced the result of the season out of the blue they’ve done everything possible to eliminate chances of it happening again - no crowds (was inevitable), they’ve split the game into quarters (that will eventually be adopted as the norm as a commercial break), introduced coaching breaks masquerading as drinks breaks & this ridiculous 5 subs nonsense. 

The PL et al should never be allowed to refer to sporting integrity again - in their rush to preserve the broadcast millions they’ve served up a crap spectacle with a completely different rule book, integrity my arse!   
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 06, 2020, 01:01:00 AM
Dean Smith keeps going on about other teams having better players, not just yesterday, which makes me think that he is having a dig at others who bought the players without his input. As "head coach" he presumably has less influence than he would as "team manager". The people bringing in the players do not have sufficient knowledge about football. This seems to me to have gone on for a number of years and that may be why a lot of money has been wasted.

He has been hammering that angle for months. Unfortunately for Dean he also claimed that last summer that he had final say on any new signings. Plus, he certainly can't plead ignorance to the likes of Konsa, Engels, Targett and Jota. Tim Sherwood tried the same angle towards the end of his tenure. With similar results for coach and club.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2020, 01:03:57 AM
The five sub rule is a killer for the lower sides. None of us has the depth to compete with the top sides.

It did exactly what it was designed to do, it artificially  influenced a result to increase the probability that the top team wins. 

Literally what 4 months after Watford produced the result of the season out of the blue they’ve done everything possible to eliminate chances of it happening again - no crowds (was inevitable), they’ve split the game into quarters (that will eventually be adopted as the norm as a commercial break), introduced coaching breaks masquerading as drinks breaks & this ridiculous 5 subs nonsense. 

The PL et al should never be allowed to refer to sporting integrity again - in their rush to preserve the broadcast millions they’ve served up a crap spectacle with a completely different rule book, integrity my arse!   

Yup.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2020, 01:26:00 AM
Don't think our players deserved that result tonight. I liked our shape defensively and in a game of previous few chances I thought we looked the most likely before Manes opener. Thought Reina's dive to stop the second was snowman esque.

Harsh, the shot from their wunderkid was going straight at Reina but it took a nick off Mings and changed direction.

Liverpool getting a bit of luck, when they're already festooned with better players, not exactly fair, is it?!
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 06, 2020, 06:19:16 AM
Our forwards (Davies, Samatta) don't seem to have a goal or a shot at goal in them - if we are relegated then I am sure both will do well for us in the Championship, but neither is a premier league forward!

Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: themossman on July 06, 2020, 09:10:37 AM
I’m surprised sentiment has turned on Samatta. Given how recently he’s moved here and how few games he’s had there’s not enough evidence to make inferences from his goal stats.

For me, he looks like a proper striker, can head the thing, and gets into better positions than Davis, plus his hold up play is almost as good.

Without midfielders who can score there’s no point in a Davis type.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2020, 09:13:14 AM
He looks alright, but not that strong or quick. He's decent but won't cause problems for most top flight centre halves, for my money.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Luke8 on July 06, 2020, 09:17:11 AM
Dean Smith keeps going on about other teams having better players, not just yesterday, which makes me think that he is having a dig at others who bought the players without his input. As "head coach" he presumably has less influence than he would as "team manager". The people bringing in the players do not have sufficient knowledge about football. This seems to me to have gone on for a number of years and that may be why a lot of money has been wasted.

He has been hammering that angle for months. Unfortunately for Dean he also claimed that last summer that he had final say on any new signings. Plus, he certainly can't plead ignorance to the likes of Konsa, Engels, Targett and Jota. Tim Sherwood tried the same angle towards the end of his tenure. With similar results for coach and club.

I think both can be true to some extent. It’s fairly acceptable to conclude that some of our players aren’t that good while understanding that that is due, in some part, to the difficult job we had to do in recruiting players in the summer.

Either way, it’s certainly not untrue - I would say that our squad is comfortably one of the five poorest in the league.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Legion on July 06, 2020, 09:21:23 AM
Legion, just wish I had your enthusiasm but, sadly, our team this season has knocked the stuffing out of me. Each game, I think, today is the day we start turning our fortunes around but, when the match has finished, I’m drained yet again. Still hope that you’re right and I’m wrong though.

I'm far from enthusiastic. Just clinging on to faint hope that we can still turn it around after our impending capitulation against ManUre.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2020, 09:24:04 AM
I thought we did ok overall but we just didn't look like scoring again. All that has changed since the re-start is that we look more organised and teams are not pushing us over which is a good platform to work from but we are creating nothing in front of goal.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 06, 2020, 09:35:10 AM
We remind me a little bit of myself when I used to play cricket. When I was fielding i'd be in the game, concentrating but then after certain amount of time my mind would start drifting and I'd start watching the game rather than being in it. Our team is like that, they cannot concentrate for a full match.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Big Ming on July 06, 2020, 10:41:31 AM
Two positive things.

Douglas Luiz is the genuine article and is going to be a star player at Villa or someplace else.

There is a general air of confidence and calmness when Reina is between the sticks.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2020, 10:42:43 AM
As calamitous as he was at Leicester, hearing him bellowing endlessly yesterday gave me reassurance too.

I know he was at fault for the goal, but I felt Taylor played well. Doesn't offer much going forwards, but I was impressed with his noise and play.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2020, 10:45:11 AM
As calamitous as he was at Leicester, hearing him bellowing endlessly yesterday gave me reassurance too.

I know he was at fault for the goal, but I felt Taylor played well. Doesn't offer much going forwards, but I was impressed with his noise and play.

I've never minded Taylor. Defensively he's fine but like you say, offers nothing at all going forward. He's not the best left back i've seen down there but by no means the worst.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: themossman on July 06, 2020, 10:47:28 AM
Two positive things.

Douglas Luiz is the genuine article and is going to be a star player at Villa or someplace else.

There is a general air of confidence and calmness when Reina is between the sticks.

Agree with both those things. I'd add that defence looks solid and Konsa is growing as a player.

Nyland is decent but Reina is a leader and we need more of that.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2020, 10:55:12 AM
Yes, Konsa is coming on well. I think he'll prove to be an decent buy.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 06, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
As calamitous as he was at Leicester, hearing him bellowing endlessly yesterday gave me reassurance too.

I know he was at fault for the goal, but I felt Taylor played well. Doesn't offer much going forwards, but I was impressed with his noise and play.

He was spiky enough in the tackle anyway which made a welcome change from Targett. Thought Mings was equally, if not more, to blame than Taylor for the first.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2020, 11:30:54 AM
Konsa looked good at right back yesterday.  I think when he's on form Guilbert is much better there, but Guilbert has it in him to have a 3/10 game as often as he does 8 or 9/10.  If Konsa can give us 7/10 there for the rest of the season then that's fine by me.  Maybe bring Guilbert in for Palace and Everton when we might not be as much under the cosh.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2020, 11:33:25 AM
As calamitous as he was at Leicester, hearing him bellowing endlessly yesterday gave me reassurance too.

I know he was at fault for the goal, but I felt Taylor played well. Doesn't offer much going forwards, but I was impressed with his noise and play.

That's Taylor in a nutshell though.  Useless going forward, and fine defensively, *apart from* the one or two defensive switch offs that very often lead to a goal.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2020, 11:34:58 AM
That's the thing, we csnnot afford to have two full backs who cannot get forwards. I get yesterday was different, but I think we need to gamble on one attacking full back. Freddie is probably the quickest player in the squad too. He can have stinkers, but inthink he's a really good full back on the whole.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: themossman on July 06, 2020, 12:04:43 PM
I’d be tempted to keep konsa in and play Freddie higher up. We need our best players on the pitch and trezeguet adds nothing. Our lack of pace is such an issue
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Gareth on July 06, 2020, 12:16:47 PM
Freddie at right back with Elmo in front is much more secure because Elmo is better than AEG or Trezeguet in dropping back in and covering a full back role
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2020, 12:51:42 PM
That's the thing, we csnnot afford to have two full backs who cannot get forwards. I get yesterday was different, but I think we need to gamble on one attacking full back. Freddie is probably the quickest player in the squad too. He can have stinkers, but inthink he's a really good full back on the whole.

What about:

              Reina
       Konsa Mings Hause
Guilbert McGinn Grealish Luiz Targett
               Davis Samatta
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2020, 12:58:15 PM
I actually thought AEG did pretty well yesterday, especially in the first half.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 06, 2020, 01:38:40 PM
I actually thought AEG did pretty well yesterday, especially in the first half.

Agree I thought he was good.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2020, 01:48:29 PM
That's the thing, we csnnot afford to have two full backs who cannot get forwards. I get yesterday was different, but I think we need to gamble on one attacking full back. Freddie is probably the quickest player in the squad too. He can have stinkers, but inthink he's a really good full back on the whole.

What about:

              Reina
       Konsa Mings Hause
Guilbert McGinn Grealish Luiz Targett
               Davis Samatta


The problem with that is that you have to dominate the ball or it ends up becoming a 541 like formation with both wingbacks marking wingers and midfield covering the fullbacsk so a striker has to help in there and you have 1-2 centre halves stood with nothing much to do. Watch the Man City game where Drinkwater debuted and it shows exactly why wing backs in a 5 are so rare now.

Our formation isn't the problem, it's that too many of our players are 10 yards deeper than they should be so teams can just dominate possession in front of us. It's made our defence a little better but left us with very little attacking threat.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2020, 01:56:46 PM
Watch the Man City game where Drinkwater debuted and it shows exactly why wing backs in a 5 are so rare now.


I think Danny Drinkwater was the main issue in that game, whatever formation we played.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 06, 2020, 03:24:34 PM
Firstly - I saw Mings as the failure for their first goal

I thought overall from defence to breaking away we played as well as we have for a while against a 2nd gear 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'. The issue is not just blunt forwards but the support they provide for other players to run by them.

The ball in by Grealish to Davis's feet was world class and was crying out for the lay back and shot from Grealish. Instead Davis tried a spin and ended up trapping it further than I could kick it - total garbage at this level.

I honestly think Hologram would offer more on the left wing that Trez who is a charlatan - he is more Tresume than Trezuget.

As for the Coach  - the clue is in the title - I think he may have had some input into signings but that clearly was the remit of Richard Madleys double and I agree with the new poster of the home grown players costing ridiculous money so we looked for cheaper alternates. He certainly made the coach role clear when he arrived as it was how he operated at Brentford

Its almost Fulham esque

The red scum will have a field day as we could not beat the bastards when we were decent - so God help us this time.

Arsenal hit form and Palace are a bit of a bogey team - its not looking good
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
As calamitous as he was at Leicester, hearing him bellowing endlessly yesterday gave me reassurance too.

I know he was at fault for the goal, but I felt Taylor played well. Doesn't offer much going forwards, but I was impressed with his noise and play.

That's Taylor in a nutshell though.  Useless going forward, and fine defensively, *apart from* the one or two defensive switch offs that very often lead to a goal.

In a nutshell we shouldn’t be relying on Targett or Taylor at PL level. And certainly not a 31 year old Taylor, now as our primary LB option in a relegation battle. Targett is a back up LB at best at this level. We should have bought better.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2020, 03:39:37 PM
Watch the Man City game where Drinkwater debuted and it shows exactly why wing backs in a 5 are so rare now.


I think Danny Drinkwater was the main issue in that game, whatever formation we played.

Not really, he was very poor but he wasn't personally responsible for the acres of space all across the pitch 10 yards outside our box. The issue was that we ended up with something like a 5311 formation but with none of the midfield or attack doing anything to press their defensive players so they just angled runs in behind us and tried to pick balls through knowing that if it didn't come off they'd get it straight back anyway. That day they were the team playing with wing backs not us.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: glinch on July 06, 2020, 05:12:47 PM
Yes, Konsa is coming on well. I think he'll prove to be an decent buy.

I like Konsa but think he was at fault for the opener. He doesnt try to stop/block the cross or force him down the line.

Between him and AEG that ball shouldn't be coming across the box.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: olaftab on July 06, 2020, 05:56:39 PM
Davis like any other centre forward cannot function without support, even Danny Ings would struggle.
True but Benteke managed to create chances for himself out of nothing.
Once the ball got to him.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2020, 05:59:31 PM
Davis like any other centre forward cannot function without support, even Danny Ings would struggle.
True but Benteke managed to create chances for himself out of nothing.
Once the ball got to him.
You know what I mean.  He didn't need it laid on a plate for him.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2020, 07:18:25 PM
I thought McGinn was much improved too.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2020, 08:28:13 PM
I thought McGinn was much improved too.

Good, because McGinn at full speed could be our saving grace.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: The Edge on July 06, 2020, 09:25:32 PM
I think people slating Davis's ability are being really harsh on the lad. The way we're setting up at the moment no striker would look good. Time will tell whether he's a talented player or not but nows not the time in my view.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 07, 2020, 12:01:44 AM
Davis like any other centre forward cannot function without support, even Danny Ings would struggle.
True but Benteke managed to create chances for himself out of nothing.
As does Danny Ings on most occasions. For his recent goal against Watford he was midway in the opponents half with four Watford players around him yet he drives forward evading pursuits and slots it away. It’s what strikers can do too. It doesn’t always have to be your team mate putting it on a plate.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 07, 2020, 12:09:04 AM
That's the thing, we csnnot afford to have two full backs who cannot get forwards. I get yesterday was different, but I think we need to gamble on one attacking full back. Freddie is probably the quickest player in the squad too. He can have stinkers, but inthink he's a really good full back on the whole.

What about:

              Reina
       Konsa Mings Hause
Guilbert McGinn Grealish Luiz Targett
               Davis Samatta

I like that a lot. I know they are Villa players but when I saw that line up I thought that’s a good team . Can you forward it to the club please ? Only tweek is maybe AEG in that front two as he does have pace, strength and a shot in him on his day .......
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 08, 2020, 11:50:12 PM
Sounded like a much more positive performance today, so it looks like we're going down fighting. Need to find goals somewhere.
Title: Re: Liverpool vs Aston Villa post match thread
Post by: Scamps180 on July 09, 2020, 03:53:00 AM
Better but still not good enough
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