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Title: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2020, 01:29:47 PM
First signing of the season for our newly-promoted heroines, Scotland international and will annoy Blose. Good news all round.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/07/02/chloe-arthur-signs-for-villa-women?g4id=5
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on July 03, 2020, 04:55:51 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/07/03/seven-new-scholars-sign
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 09:58:51 PM
More to come.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on July 06, 2020, 03:39:59 PM
Cam has signed his first pro-contract.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 08, 2020, 01:52:48 AM
Good news, Leeg.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2020, 01:00:21 PM
Looks like we landed Sil Swinkels. I don’t know who he is either but highly rated kid from the Vitesse academy and Dutch U16 apparently.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 03, 2020, 01:02:07 PM
Good stuff.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 04, 2020, 04:12:43 PM
We are signing Ben Chrisene youngster from Exeter.  Matt Taylor their manager is saying he will go to the very top.  He made his debut in the Carsbao Cup last year when still 15.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on August 04, 2020, 04:27:41 PM
I'm really interested to see how good the kids will be over the next few years because you get the sense that we're starting to get a really good structure in place.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: rougegorge on August 18, 2020, 02:53:38 PM
The U21s have got Carlisle United, Fleetwood Town and Sunderland in the EFL Trophy group stages.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 19, 2020, 03:11:35 PM
We are signing Ben Chrisene youngster from Exeter.  Matt Taylor their manager is saying he will go to the very top.  He made his debut in the Carsbao Cup last year when still 15.

Now signed.  Like the look of this lad.

Speaking about the fee itself though, president and director of football and external affairs, Julian Tagg praised Aston Villa for their professional approach and fairness during the transfer dealing.

“Whilst the fee is undisclosed, when a possible arbitration fee is considered we are pleased with the valuation,” he said. “Aston Villa have been very professional and fair in their dealings with Exeter City and we as a club would like to acknowledge that.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: FatSam on August 23, 2020, 03:12:58 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on August 23, 2020, 05:20:57 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21

Could be useful. Looks like Tammy Abraham in build/height, good feet and has pace.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 23, 2020, 08:56:53 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21

You could also argue that we are now just signing unproven players with potential at a young age at the expense of nurturing and developing the current crop by giving the better ones more opportunities. Hope the League Cup this coming season gives them some room for greater exposure.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Dave P on August 24, 2020, 10:24:44 AM
This sort of long term thinking is alien at most other clubs and is very welcome indeed.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2020, 12:25:11 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21

You could also argue that we are now just signing unproven players with potential at a young age at the expense of nurturing and developing the current crop by giving the better ones more opportunities. Hope the League Cup this coming season gives them some room for greater exposure.

I'd disagree with that. Adding extra quality in the academy is good for the existing players who've been with the club for years. Being the best player in the U10s, U12s, etc. means you're used to being the big fish and too often players like that (Delfouneso, Luke Moore) end up hitting a wall at about 17-18 and never really fulfilling that potential because the gap from where they are to the first team is too big for them. by adding extra quality at that time and letting the players develop together for a year or 2 the hope is that they all get nudged closer to being ready earlier.

The 2nd bit though is why I'd have liked the benches to stay as 9 players (even if we go back to only allowing 3 subs to be made). the extra couple of spots could be a great way to get youngsters around the first team earlier.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2020, 12:45:38 PM
I would probably go a step further and saying that at least 2 of the subs have to be under 23.

Competition for places has got to be important for development. I think if a young player was the first on the team sheet every week with no competition, they could become complacent and may take things a little for granted. Then have a bit of shock when they realise how different it is in the Premier League. Really you want kids pushing eachother to be better.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
I would probably go a step further and saying that at least 2 of the subs have to be under 23.

Competition for places has got to be important for development. I think if a young player was the first on the team sheet every week with no competition, they could become complacent and may take things a little for granted. Then have a bit of shock when they realise how different it is in the Premier League. Really you want kids pushing eachother to be better.

I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 24, 2020, 07:25:39 PM
Clarke joins Yeovil on season long loan.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/08/24/clarke-joins-yeovil
A good start.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2020, 07:50:45 PM
Clarke joins Yeovil on season long loan.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/08/24/clarke-joins-yeovil
A good start.

He's better than that, should've been at a league 1 or even a championship club.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2020, 11:39:45 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21

You could also argue that we are now just signing unproven players with potential at a young age at the expense of nurturing and developing the current crop by giving the better ones more opportunities. Hope the League Cup this coming season gives them some room for greater exposure.

I'd disagree with that. Adding extra quality in the academy is good for the existing players who've been with the club for years. Being the best player in the U10s, U12s, etc. means you're used to being the big fish and too often players like that (Delfouneso, Luke Moore) end up hitting a wall at about 17-18 and never really fulfilling that potential because the gap from where they are to the first team is too big for them. by adding extra quality at that time and letting the players develop together for a year or 2 the hope is that they all get nudged closer to being ready earlier.

The 2nd bit though is why I'd have liked the benches to stay as 9 players (even if we go back to only allowing 3 subs to be made). the extra couple of spots could be a great way to get youngsters around the first team earlier.

I'd tend to agree with that and I don't think I put my point of view across very well after re-reading it. Would be nice to see the better players at that level being given more opportunities as compared to last season. Would love to see another Grealish come through from the start and make it.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2020, 11:40:36 PM
The two stand-outs for me are Archer and Ramsey.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2020, 11:40:57 PM
Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: PeterWithe on August 25, 2020, 12:39:44 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21

He looks a player although the standard of goalkeeping in some if those clips was terrible.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Drummond on August 25, 2020, 01:35:24 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing the U21 in the EFL Trophy, should be interesting.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Mister E on August 25, 2020, 01:50:48 PM
Clarke joins Yeovil on season long loan.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/08/24/clarke-joins-yeovil
A good start.
This doesn't look promising for a kid rated highly by several on here.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on August 25, 2020, 02:53:34 PM
Grealish went on loan to Notts County. As long as they get game time and he's somewhere where they will be playing a similar style to us.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 26, 2020, 09:57:37 PM
https://twitter.com/StratfordTownFC/status/1298707197749342208?s=08

Cam with our goal.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 26, 2020, 10:06:20 PM
Usual lack of promotion and coverage of this from Pravda.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
U21s in action at Sunderland tonight in the EFL Trophy. Does anyone know if it can be watched anywhwere/
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2020, 03:24:18 PM
There is also a match vs Tamworth.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2020, 08:32:45 PM
No coverage or score updates from either game tonight that I can find.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Lsvilla on September 01, 2020, 08:37:46 PM
U21s in action at Sunderland tonight in the EFL Trophy. Does anyone know if it can be watched anywhwere/
I think this is next Tuesday 8/9.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2020, 09:00:58 PM
The match vs Tamworth is definitely on. Cam is playing.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2020, 11:13:53 PM
Won 7-0. Archer played 60 mins and scored 2.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2020, 10:49:56 AM
Was it the U23's or was it the first team?
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2020, 11:02:58 AM
U21s in action at Sunderland tonight in the EFL Trophy. Does anyone know if it can be watched anywhwere/
I think this is next Tuesday 8/9.

Ah, yes, no wonder I couldn't find anything......!
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: in exile on September 02, 2020, 11:05:40 AM
Was it the U23's or was it the first team?
U23's
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2020, 11:07:58 AM
That's encouraging then that the U23's can win so comprehensively against a senior side.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 05, 2020, 08:46:39 PM
First signing of the season for our newly-promoted heroines, Scotland international and will annoy Blose. Good news all round.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/07/02/chloe-arthur-signs-for-villa-women?g4id=5

New thread started for our Women's team. This starting post could not be moved. Hope everything is correct.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 07, 2020, 04:55:55 PM
U23s in action tomorrow.

Delaney FB interview (https://www.facebook.com/101566839887394/posts/3565027660207944/)
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 07, 2020, 09:46:00 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCU23/status/1303067980616667136?s=08

I voted for Cam.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 07, 2020, 10:44:46 PM
Archer vote all day Long.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 07, 2020, 10:58:46 PM
By a country mile for me. Easily the best of the lot in his position. He is so versatile as well. Two-footed, can play up front on his own, with a strike partner, behind the striker, on the left and on the right. Not all at the same time, though!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 07, 2020, 10:59:28 PM
Surprised not to see Jacob Ramsey as an option, mind. He is equally as special.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 07:47:40 AM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/09/07/2020-21-academy-fixtures-confirmed
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 01:24:37 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCU23/status/1303295545423917057?s=08

Voted for Cam. Done far more than Vassilev for the U23s.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 04:11:42 PM
https://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2020/september/aston-villa-21s/preview-v-villa
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 06:28:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Phil__Smith/status/1303379494313615365?s=08
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Villa Lew on September 08, 2020, 06:33:54 PM
Carney Chukwuemeka starting tonight
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 08, 2020, 07:04:28 PM
Also both Ramsey brothers and 2 Revans (who I've not heard of before).

Cam on the bench.

For them I know Danny Graham and Grant Leadbitter, plus Flanagan and Maguire. Think they're playing a few youngsters too.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 08, 2020, 07:16:01 PM
Also both Ramsey brothers and 2 Revans (who I've not heard of before).

Cam on the bench.

For them I know Danny Graham and Grant Leadbitter, plus Flanagan and Maguire. Think they're playing a few youngsters too.

Some proper old journeyman pros in that Sunderland team, as well as my favourite name of a footballer ever - Max Power. It'll be a good test for our youngsters.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 08, 2020, 07:21:28 PM
Currently losing 2-0.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 07:22:20 PM
Not surprised to be honest.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: rougegorge on September 08, 2020, 08:05:23 PM
We didn't do well at this competition last season and probably we won't be progressing this year.

I don't know if our youngsters are promising or not but this is a platform for them to impress. It's not a full Sunderland first team that's for sure.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 08, 2020, 08:06:20 PM
2-1 now, Vassilev penalty.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 08, 2020, 08:10:26 PM
Make that 3-1.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:18:55 PM
We didn't do well at this competition last season and probably we won't be progressing this year.

I don't know if our youngsters are promising or not but this is a platform for them to impress. It's not a full Sunderland first team that's for sure.

Too many 16/17 year old players that are just not up to it.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:35:54 PM
4-1 now. Defensively shocking.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:37:05 PM
5-1.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:42:12 PM
7.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:42:32 PM
All over the place at the back.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: rougegorge on September 08, 2020, 08:55:17 PM
Crikey 8-1!

That's awful whichever way you look at it. Is Delaney still the coach?

I won't be holding out much hope for this crop judging on that performance.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:59:12 PM
8-1. Pitiful. Feel sorry for Delaney. Well done, Smith.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 08, 2020, 09:09:47 PM
Worse than it was last season in this competition .Boys against men it appears
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 08, 2020, 09:15:15 PM
Bit of a wake up call for them.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Dave P on September 08, 2020, 09:58:47 PM
Every season of Sunderland till I die starts off like this and tails off at the end
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 08, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
Hopefully 4 or 5 of them get loans before the window closes. Sunderland put their first team out for match practice so there was clearly an inbalance but looks like a few of them got stage fright so only way to solve that is give them loan and see if they sink or swim from playing in league 1 or 2.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 08, 2020, 11:37:51 PM
Barcelona lost 8-2, relax FFS.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 08, 2020, 11:52:56 PM
Hopefully 4 or 5 of them get loans before the window closes. Sunderland put their first team out for match practice so there was clearly an inbalance but looks like a few of them got stage fright so only way to solve that is give them loan and see if they sink or swim from playing in league 1 or 2.

A lot of them are from the U18 squad so they're probably a year too early for loaning out. That was a very young Villa team against a pretty strong Sunderland team and the heads clearly went down.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 01:06:30 AM
Barcelona lost 8-2, relax FFS.

Time to pair up the old and new dream team of Messi and Mungo Bridge.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: in exile on September 09, 2020, 11:37:45 AM
Barcelona lost 8-2, relax FFS.
And I expect your bet came in.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 11:44:18 AM
I'm surprised there was no Barry involved?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2020, 02:20:41 PM
I'm surprised there was no Barry involved?
Did he not take the penalty?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 09, 2020, 02:40:40 PM
Surely it's no different to Liverpool in the League Cup - a youth team against first-teamers.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 12, 2020, 04:04:58 PM
A pretty unfamiliar U18 team (loads of players that could've been weren't involved) won 2-1 against Leicester earlier to start their season with a win.

Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 12, 2020, 06:07:41 PM
There was an article in The Athletic about how we've transformed our youth team set-up. I was interested in reading it but I'm not a subscriber.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 13, 2020, 12:01:12 AM
Nice to see the U18 beat Leicester today,they more often than not get the better of us at this level
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: danno on September 13, 2020, 08:26:41 PM
There was an article in The Athletic about how we've transformed our youth team set-up. I was interested in reading it but I'm not a subscriber.

Yeah I wanted to read this too, but am too stingy to pay for it. Plus its by Gregg Evans so its bound to be some hatchet job about us kidnapping their staff and forcing them to leave Albion and work for us for better money.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2020, 10:23:13 PM
I see George Boateng has returned to Villa as a coach for the u-23's.  Shame he can't still play.  I thought he'd been back a while but there is a news item on Sky Sports News.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 13, 2020, 10:26:07 PM
The story is about him being moved up to working with the Under 23's. He's been a coach for the past year working with younger age groups.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 13, 2020, 10:26:30 PM
I see George Boateng has returned to Villa as a coach for the u-23's.  Shame he can't still play.  I thought he'd been back a while but there is a news item on Sky Sports News.

He was with the U18s last season but has moved up to the U23s. There's a nice clip from an interview with him on the club Twitter, I guess the full interview will be on the website.

And yes, wouldn't a George Boateng in his prime fill that extra defensive/holding midfielder position we've been talking about very nicely!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2020, 10:28:33 PM
I see George Boateng has returned to Villa as a coach for the u-23's.  Shame he can't still play.  I thought he'd been back a while but there is a news item on Sky Sports News.

He was with the U18s last season but has moved up to the U23s. There's a nice clip from an interview with him on the club Twitter, I guess the full interview will be on the website.

Righto, thanks.  I had a feeling that he had been there a while.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
U23s playing away to the baggies right now.


https://www.avfc.co.uk/Fixtures/2020-to-2029/2020-2021/English-Premier-League-2-Division-Two/West-Brom-U23-vs-Aston-Villa-U23?matchdetails=1


Just gone 1-0 behind. Some interesting names missing from the team though, Jacob Ramsey, Barry and Kesler all absent so I suspect they may be involved tomorrow.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 14, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Can't see a line-up.

I think Ramsey will be involved tomorrow, probably on the bench.

Is Barry involved with the U23's or the U18's?

Kesler's an interesting one. If he's involved tomorrow you have to wonder whether Guibert is going to be sold.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2020, 01:52:21 PM
Yeah, didn't notice the teams were there.

Try this one. (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB800GB800&sxsrf=ALeKk00xGxwCSc5QSZ_lc8yGOOdDi5ZQqQ:1600087805371&q=Aston+Villa+U-23&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgecR4jpVb4OWPe8JSR1gnrTl5jXEvKxdXcEZ-uWteSWZJpZAeFxuUpcIlKMWrn65vaJhumWVqnF2SrMEgxc-FKqT0j8XIZ9elaefY3AQZgGDfrTAHKU0tIS52z2Kf_OTEHMFdGz-8XX7npp2WMBdHSGJFfl5-biVYKQPDB3slPk4g3eBi8NbeFiSixWC1mIVLILggv6ik2DexJDnDvSi_tEBoCzMXT0BiUUlmcmZBYl5JsdBiZqEFzFyCSGIBOYmVqSlCXcxc3EiixPlC6hSTkCqXsn5yfk5OanJJZn6efmJxcWZxCdCE-KLU3My8lNSiYv3EnBwhDS41ZGXZefnlOakp6anxQNtSc4r1MzLTM3KAuERImUsRWWVOUXwx2FtAwdyCVGAQ5xcVC8lySWNXVJKamFssJM0liSxdkJpfkJManw4Kk2IhKS4JZMni_OTk1KJ4iEY5LhkUOYihQONTIZGL5g2ofH5xUUF8KtD5mUlAayAmodsCVgmRs-JPLC7Jz1Moy8zJSVQoNTLOVWnKtFfi4GAQYJFgUOBXikBJG9vOBVGWNpr2rTjExsLBKIDE4lnEKuAIdkUY2BWhukbGAE-fK8PnAgAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt4v3J1-jrAhVSoXEKHTyNDVAQ6RMwHnoECA0QBQ&biw=1920&bih=937#sie=m;/g/11l4np2mc5;2;/g/11d_2_t2j8;ln;fp;1;;)
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 14, 2020, 01:58:44 PM
Cheers.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 14, 2020, 01:59:15 PM
Kesler is nowhere near first team standard.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2020, 02:05:22 PM
Kesler is nowhere near first team standard.

Maybe not but missed U18 on Sat and U23 today and has been around the first team squad a fair bit.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 14, 2020, 02:51:09 PM
1-1
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2020, 03:14:09 PM
Finished 3-1 to them thanks to two late penalties.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 14, 2020, 03:33:22 PM
Sounds like Sandwell had their own referee with them,two pens in last couple of minutes ,one of which was a very harsh handball by all accounts
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 14, 2020, 06:52:23 PM
Just read the match report. It was Wright who missed at the end, not Archer.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 16, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
The main ones to watch this season are Ramsey, Bridge and Archer. All three have the potential to make it. They either need a loan out to gain invaluable experience or some opportunities at first team level in whatever competition to show what they are capable of.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 17, 2020, 05:20:53 PM
Vassilev to Burton Albion for the season.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 06:47:13 PM
U23s vs Norwich this evening.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
No coverage or updates from Villa.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 07:32:03 PM
https://twitter.com/NorwichCityAcad?s=08
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 07:33:43 PM
1-0 to us.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 18, 2020, 07:43:18 PM
1-0 to us.

Ramsay.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 08:13:56 PM
Ramsey.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 08:16:13 PM
2-0.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 08:38:59 PM
3-0.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 18, 2020, 08:48:45 PM
Think the kid who got the 3rd is the one we just got from Norwich
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 18, 2020, 08:51:08 PM
It's not him.  This one is Philogene-Bidace, can't remember the name of the lad we got from Norwich.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Lsvilla on September 18, 2020, 09:30:54 PM
It's not him.  This one is Philogene-Bidace, can't remember the name of the lad we got from Norwich.
Shakpoke
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 19, 2020, 12:15:11 AM
3-0 (Aaron Ramsey, Dominic Revan and Jaden Philogene-Bidace)

Match Report - https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/september/U23s-Aston-Villa-3-0-Norwich-City/

None of the new players were involved.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 19, 2020, 11:30:32 AM
Good win for the U23 last night,pity the coverage by the club these days is so poor .I use to love watching the second team until they decided to play at Bodymoor ,now its almost impossible to follow them on line
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 19, 2020, 07:53:50 PM
Under 18s won 1-0 away at Norwich earlier despite 2 red cards.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 19, 2020, 07:55:22 PM
Good win for the U23 last night,pity the coverage by the club these days is so poor .I use to love watching the second team until they decided to play at Bodymoor ,now its almost impossible to follow them on line

It's better than last season but still very poor compared to the coverage provided by other clubs.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 19, 2020, 10:19:29 PM
Sounds a impressive win at Norwich today for the u18, Norwich thrashed Sandwell 5-1 last week and according to one of their players on their website were ready to give us some of the same today
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 21, 2020, 03:37:17 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCWiki/status/1307992025711759360?s=08
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 22, 2020, 06:05:15 PM
In the past two years, the club have recruited some of neighbours West Bromwich Albion’s leading academy brains, set out to corner the local market at junior level and gone on a recruitment drive for talented teenagers, including Lamare Bogarde, pictured top, who had interested Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur, and whose arrival is to be announced soon.

It has been a revolution.

The objective of Villa’s academy is not to produce players who can then be sold on for significant profits in the future. It is for the club; to develop talent for the first team. If in doing that some players are subsequently snapped up by rivals, then it will only be to benefit Villa financially.

Purslow has played a big part in reshaping the academy. He set out to find a framework that would help bring more players through in the future but recognised there would be no quick fix.

“Villa still have some way to go before they can start getting excited about the next batch of youngsters,” one source told The Athletic.

“They haven’t had much to shout about from the academy in recent years but you can see the clear change of direction in the last 12 months or so. They mean business, and other clubs are starting to take note.”

Villa’s planning over recent years has been strategic and deliberate. It wasn’t so long ago that West Brom were recognised as having the best academy in the Midlands, so Villa made it a priority to not only break up what was working so well just a few miles down the road, but also hire their standout staff members.

Mark Harrison ended a 13-year association at The Hawthorns to become academy manager in 2019. The vision for the future appealed and he’s already committed to a long-term plan that is now starting to take shape.

One of the first objectives was simple but rewarding, if executed correctly. Villa’s aim was to start gathering the best talent in the local area by making sure they get hold of the leading players at primary-school age and then monitoring their progress at the club. To a similar end, Villa also wanted to increase their links with inner-city clubs.

Villa also strengthened their coaching staff when Mark Naylor moved across from West Brom last summer too. He has helped to bring through goalkeepers at England youth level in the past and is now working with Villa’s.

There is also a huge recruitment drive underway, which is being led by a former Albion talent spotter, Steve Hopcroft. Villa have targeted players around the ages of 15, 16 and 17 of late.

First through the door was Louie Barry — another one formerly of West Brom — as he returned from a spell with Barcelona for £1.5 million in January.

Striker Ruben Shakpoke, 16, arrived from Norwich City last month in a deal that is understood to involve a significant transfer fee. Defender Sil Swinkels and holding midfielder Bogarde, also both 16, have agreed to join from Vitesse Arnhem and Feyenoord respectively. Official announcements are expected to follow as soon as they receive international clearance.

The capture of Bogarde is particularly impressive considering the other Premier League sides who were interested in him. Ben Chrisene, a 16-year-old from Exeter City who has already been unveiled, went on trial at a host of other clubs including Bayern Munich but chose Villa as his new destination, too.

While Villa have picked out players who they believe can flourish in the future, they’ve also been able to keep hold of those who are already well known to staff at the club.

Carney Chukwuemeka, 16, looked set to leave with a host of other clubs keen, but Villa offered him a lengthy contract and he stuck around.

Jacob Ramsey, 19, is making good progress and may be called upon in the Carabao Cup opener against Burton Albion on Tuesday. He’s from nearby Barr Beacon and has been at the club since the age of seven. If he can continue developing as a player, there finally might be another Villa youngster on the way to replicating the early stages of Grealish’s journey.

It’s 17-year-old Kaine Kesler, from the Smith’s Wood area of Birmingham, who is starting to edge his way towards the top of the pile of potential breakthrough players, though.

Smith rates the rapid right-back highly and even included him in his squad at the back end of Project Restart when Villa drew at Everton in the Premier League. One source, who suggested Kesler is now the standout player of the development group, says: “He looks like he’s got a real chance of featuring for the first team in the future. His speed is frightening and that could set him apart.”

Senior players have been taken back by his blistering pace and his desire to make an impression when called upon. Kesler travelled with the first team for the pre-season camp in Wales and has been with the seniors for the past four months.

The aim this season is to create an identity in the under-23 team, which will largely feature first and second-year scholars. If results in matches don’t go their way, it’s largely because they will be much younger than the opponents they are coming up against. Short-term struggles may bring long-term benefits.

Mark Delaney, an ex-Villa defender, is the current under-23 coach and former team-mate George Boateng has now moved up from the under-18s to be his assistant. Delaney spoke of his pride at seeing some of his young group mix in with the first team this summer.

“Before they left for Wales, we said you need to take every opportunity to learn,” he told Villa’s website. “We encouraged the youngsters to ask the seniors questions but we also said they had to bring their own game into it. We wanted them to make their mark.”

A brand-new building at Bodymoor Heath now houses the academy. They also have a purpose-built stadium, where the development teams play their home games. The facilities are excellent, which also plays a part in attracting youngsters to the club.

A major mistake Villa made in the past was keeping young, talented players at the training ground for too long when they should have been out on loan somewhere, sampling men’s football.

One former player, who has now left the club, told The Athletic: “I wanted to go out on loan a couple of times but the club blocked it. That was the only real regret I had from my time in the academy.”

There has been a new pledge to get the most progressive players in the under-23s integrated into senior football as early as possible and Ramsey moved to Doncaster Rovers earlier in the year, scoring three goals in seven League One appearances before the coronavirus shutdown.

Decisions will be made on which youngsters to let out before the transfer window closes next month. Some will benefit from men’s football, others need more time at Bodymoor Heath.

The key to correct development is understanding each player’s individual needs. Villa seem to be managing that quite well now and they have laid the early seeds for what could be a blossoming group in years to come.

Source - The Athletic.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: danno on September 22, 2020, 07:08:56 PM
Thanks for posting that.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 22, 2020, 08:31:31 PM
Yeah, many thanks OCD. Promising stuff.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 22, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
Sort of article I like to read so thought others would too.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 22, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
Thanks for posting OCD
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2020, 01:45:11 AM
Based on what it says about Kesler, it does ring true about Guilbert's days being numbered.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 23, 2020, 12:29:45 PM
It would be asking a lot for someone to go from playing in the U23's to Premier League games. You would expect them to go out on loan first.

In the comments section to that article, the Sunderland game was discussed. They said Sunderland played a very strong side and their winger tore Kesler apart.

They also said that it was the physicality we struggled with. They said something about their main striker being about 14 stone and our 17/18 year old's couldn't cope. A lot of their goals came from set pieces and it was only really in the last 20 minutes when we collapsed.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 23, 2020, 12:36:12 PM
Kesler is not as good as he thinks he is.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Luke8 on September 23, 2020, 01:46:01 PM
He’s also not long turned seventeen. I don’t know how good he is, but unless he is absolutely exceptional I don’t imagine we will see him near the first team for at least 18 months.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2020, 06:20:35 PM
U23s are home to reading tonight, kicked off at 6.

Starting Lineup
1 Onodi

2 Kesler
5 Bridge
4 D Revan
3 S Revan

8 Chukwuemeka
10 Aaron Ramsey
6 Brunt

7 Wright
11 Philogene-Bidace
9 Archer

Substitutes
14 Campton-Sturridge
12 Barry
16 Guy
13 Marshall
15 Farr

Good to see Barry fit and on the bench. Official site has some basic coverage - https://www.avfc.co.uk/match/u23/2020-21/g2141152
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
Thanks for that. That so-called coverage is woeful. I'll see if Reading have anything better.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 06:31:08 PM
No luck there either.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 06:34:27 PM
https://www.flashscore.com/match/6cDktjAD/#lineups;1
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 25, 2020, 06:39:23 PM
https://www.flashscore.com/match/6cDktjAD/#lineups;1



Reminds me of an old football computer game on the Commodore 64 ,  football director ,  spent hours and hours on it,
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2020, 06:43:35 PM
google version seems to be the best - https://www.google.com/search?q=aston+villa+u23&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB800GB800&oq=aston+villa+u23#sie=m;/g/11hnxfsv3f;2;/g/11d_2_t2j8;dt;fp;1;;
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on September 25, 2020, 06:45:06 PM
Are those Revan defenders related ?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
Are those Revan defenders related ?

Yep, brothers, Seb at left back is the younger of the 2, just up from the U18s this season.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2020, 06:53:07 PM
I wonder when we'll see these new lads and at what level.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 25, 2020, 08:01:04 PM
Villa Res 1 Reading Res 2 at full time, Reading seem to be our bogey team at reserve/youth team level .
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 25, 2020, 08:12:10 PM
First Reading goal was scored by Augustus McGiff
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 08:48:52 PM
Archer with ours.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 08:51:21 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/september/U23s-Aston-Villa-1-2-Reading/
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2020, 09:14:27 PM
Is Sturridge any relation to Dean and Daniel?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 09:15:14 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2020, 09:19:53 PM
Hopefully he's got the ability of Daniel but able to play many more games.

Looking at Dean Sturridge's profile, he didn't play many games in his career so hopefully not a family trait.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 25, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
I see we have loaned Sinisalo to Ayr United on a season loan
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on September 26, 2020, 12:50:48 AM
I'm loving all these weird and wonderful surnames, half of them sound like medieval warriors.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 26, 2020, 07:23:32 AM
I didn’t realise Sinisalo was so highly rated.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on September 26, 2020, 08:22:37 AM
I'm loving all these weird and wonderful surnames, half of them sound like medieval warriors.

Me too, Augustus McGiff sounds like a Dickensian Barrister.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 26, 2020, 01:43:37 PM
Villa Babbies gone from behind to ahead, with 2 goals in 3 minutes. The second by new signing Bogarde.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 26, 2020, 01:46:39 PM
I didn’t realise Sinisalo was so highly rated.

Probably safer not to p!ss off his cartel.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 26, 2020, 01:50:10 PM
Won 3-1, not sure of 3rd goal scorer.

Brad Young scored the 1st from the penalty spot.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 26, 2020, 02:02:05 PM
Won 3-1, not sure of 3rd goal scorer.

Brad Young scored the 1st from the penalty spot.


Jay-Har, they're currently sitting at the top of the league on nine points.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 26, 2020, 11:18:07 PM
Villa Babbies gone from behind to ahead, with 2 goals in 3 minutes. The second by new signing Bogarde.

It's good to know he's signed - that one had gone quiet. 
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 29, 2020, 06:07:47 PM
I see we have added to the goalkeepers collection club today.  Oliweir Zych from Zaglebie Lubin in Poland, no idea of is age.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 29, 2020, 10:56:47 PM
He's recently sixteen, so by the time he is old enough to count as squad member, he will have accrued enough years to count as "home grown".
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 29, 2020, 11:01:54 PM
No. Archer, Ramsey and Bridge are 'home grown'. They have been at the Academy for years. Vassilev, Barry, Zych and many others have been bought in. That's all Harrison is interested in. The ones purchased since he was appointed.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 29, 2020, 11:04:28 PM
I was talking about counting as home grown for the purposes of meeting Premier League squad requirements. The rule is you have to be trained at a club in England (or Wales) for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 21.

They will all count as home grown, even Vassilev.

If we had signed a 19 year old he wouldn't be able to become home grown, that's why I mentioned it.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 30, 2020, 10:52:38 PM
Looks like we may be signing another young Arab.
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/exclusive-highly-rated-young-dundee-united-defender-kerr-smith-to-join-aston-villa/
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on October 02, 2020, 02:59:41 PM
i have just read we have let Cameron Archer go on loan to Solihull Moors until January .It certainly is all change at Youth level
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 03:00:44 PM
He gets first team football (at last) and stays relatively local.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 07:27:44 PM
U23s vs Crystal Palace (A) this evening.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 02, 2020, 07:56:27 PM
Onodi
Revan
Walker
Bridge
Kesler
Aaron Ramsey
Brunt
Chukwuemeka
Barry
Campton-Sturridge
Wright

Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on October 02, 2020, 08:03:02 PM
Scoreless at half-time.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2020, 08:18:14 PM
Apparently it's available to stream for £3 on the palace website. charging for a stream of the U23s seems particularly scummy.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 02, 2020, 08:56:30 PM
0-1 wright 92 mins
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 02, 2020, 08:57:02 PM
Nice time to score, fulltime now as well
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Luke8 on October 02, 2020, 08:59:00 PM
Apparently it's available to stream for £3 on the palace website. charging for a stream of the U23s seems particularly scummy.

Whereas the Villa website approach is that it just doesn’t exist

Either way, we nicked a last minute winner through Tyreik Wright.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Luke8 on October 02, 2020, 09:05:15 PM
Also, various England call ups within the  academy for the upcoming fixtures:
Kaine Kesler called up to the U19s
Seb Revan, Carney Chukwumeka, Aaron Ramsey and Louie Barry all with the U18s.

Jacob Ramsey is in the U20 squad as well.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: AV82EC on October 03, 2020, 08:40:45 AM
Can someone tell the hard of thinking like me how many Ramsey’s and Archers we’ve got? I don’t pay much attention to the academy and youth stuff but with both Archer and Ramsey having had 1st team opps I’d like to ensure I know who’s who!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Luke8 on October 03, 2020, 08:54:17 AM
Can someone tell the hard of thinking like me how many Ramsey’s and Archers we’ve got? I don’t pay much attention to the academy and youth stuff but with both Archer and Ramsey having had 1st team opps I’d like to ensure I know who’s who!

There are three Ramsey brother within the academy. Jacob, who is breaking into the first team, Aaron, who is with the U23s and a younger brother with the U12s, I believe.

Just the one Archer with us as far as I’m aware. Cameron, who has just gone out on loan.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: AV82EC on October 03, 2020, 08:55:18 AM
Can someone tell the hard of thinking like me how many Ramsey’s and Archers we’ve got? I don’t pay much attention to the academy and youth stuff but with both Archer and Ramsey having had 1st team opps I’d like to ensure I know who’s who!

There are three Ramsey brother within the academy. Jacob, who is breaking into the first team, Aaron, who is with the U23s and a younger brother with the U12s, I believe.

Just the one Archer with us as far as I’m aware. Cameron, who has just gone out on loan.

Thank you. I thought there were more Archers but think they may be with other clubs.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Luke8 on October 03, 2020, 09:09:06 AM
No worries. Yeah, he does have a brother who plays professionally as well. Was at Bury, but I’m not sure where he is now. Legion will be able to tell you more I’d imagine.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 03, 2020, 11:07:03 AM
Jordan is at Boston United. Lewis was released by our Academy and is now abroad.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 03, 2020, 11:36:30 AM
Beating (Fuck The) Albion 1-0 in the under-18s.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 03, 2020, 11:50:10 AM
U18s are leading 1-0 away at the baggies, just got to half time.

The goal was from Young and it sounds like we're well on top.

Bogarde, swinkels and chrisene all in the defence.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 03, 2020, 01:08:55 PM
Finished 2-1 to the goodies and 4 wins out of 4 now
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on October 03, 2020, 06:39:05 PM
Good to see the U18 beat Sandwell Town to make it four wins on the bounce and stay on top of the league I see Young scored again,seems to know where the net is .The winner was a own goal
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Rotterdam on October 04, 2020, 09:47:28 AM
I was at the U18 game yesterday and we were very good. much stronger than them.
Our first goal came from a mistake from their CB but was well finished. We went 0-2 early in the second half through an OG from a their CB again. WBA finished strongly, but we should have won about 1-6.
Swikels and Chrisene played well but I liked the look of Paul Appiah.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 04, 2020, 04:41:58 PM
Jordan is at Boston United. Lewis was released by our Academy and is now abroad.

Lewis is striker for Coventry United F.C.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Lsvilla on October 06, 2020, 08:06:36 PM
Playing in the EFL Trophy with our young kids doesn’t seem to be working. Would be interested in the thoughts of those who follow the age group teams more closely than me on the strategy here.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: rougegorge on October 06, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
You're right there. Another drubbing on the cards and with the Ramseys, Barry and a few other 'promising' youngsters playing, I thought they would fare better.

It's not nearly Fleetwood's first team - 10 changes from their side that lost on Saturday.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 06, 2020, 08:27:55 PM
I'm a bit out of the loop at the moment due to Cameron being on a short term loan at Solihull Moors until January but I'll give you my honest opinion. Plus that is all it is. My opinion. For me, only Bridge in defence, Ramsey (J) in midfield and Archer (striker) have what it takes to develop in to players of the future. Vassilev as well up to a point but he has not shown strength in any one area and can be a bit hit and miss. Barry is another exciting prospect but is very young and largely unproven with the U18s, U21s or U23s. Ramsey (A) is also good but young. Kesler is OK but has a vastly inflated opinion of his own ability. The rest are just not up to it. For the EFL Trophy it is definitely a case of our boys against the other teams men.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Lsvilla on October 06, 2020, 09:12:34 PM
I'm a bit out of the loop at the moment due to Cameron being on a short term loan at Solihull Moors until January but I'll give you my honest opinion. Plus that is all it is. My opinion. For me, only Bridge in defence, Ramsey (J) in midfield and Archer (striker) have what it takes to develop in to players of the future. Vassilev as well up to a point but he has not shown strength in any one area and can be a bit hit and miss. Barry is another exciting prospect but is very young and largely unproven with the U18s, U21s or U23s. Ramsey (A) is also good but young. Kesler is OK but has a vastly inflated opinion of his own ability. The rest are just not up to it. For the EFL Trophy it is definitely a case of our boys against the other teams men.
Thanks. Interesting stuff. I see Cameron is starting tonight for the Moors. Will follow with interest.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on October 06, 2020, 09:28:48 PM
All too often kids have been superior in their age group and then maybe becoming complacent and their development stunted. The more experience they can get of senior football, the better for me. Perhaps it will bring them down to Earth and realise how much work they actually have to do to even have a professional career in football.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 06, 2020, 09:45:48 PM
Agreed, which is why I am pleased that Cam has gone out on a short-term loan to get regular first team football. He and his family are very down to earth and realistic about things plus he has worked so hard over lockdown to keep in shape.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 06, 2020, 09:51:13 PM
I guess it's tough to judge even for the experts in the game. Look at Ben Woodburn at Liverpool, hailed as the next big thing and played for Wales at 17, now on loan at Oxford Utd and has had a couple of bad foot injuries.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 06, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Never heard of him.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 06, 2020, 09:57:02 PM
I guess it's tough to judge even for the experts in the game. Look at Ben Woodburn at Liverpool, hailed as the next big thing and played for Wales at 17, now on loan at Oxford Utd and has had a couple of bad foot injuries.

I'd forgotten about him, yep he was touted as going to be something special, and in fairness the odds bits I saw of him he did look like he'd make it.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 06, 2020, 09:57:45 PM
I've genuinely never heard of him.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 06, 2020, 09:57:57 PM
I guess it's tough to judge even for the experts in the game. Look at Ben Woodburn at Liverpool, hailed as the next big thing and played for Wales at 17, now on loan at Oxford Utd and has had a couple of bad foot injuries.

I'd forgotten about him, yep he was touted as going to be something special, and in fairness the odds bits I saw of him he did look like he'd make it.

There are highly-rated young players who make even bigger falls. Dan Crowley, for example.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: robleflaneur on October 06, 2020, 11:21:41 PM
Mike Calvin wrote an excellent book about football scouts",The Nowhere Men,"I think it was called.It featured scouts keeping up to date on Gary Gardner's progress in Villa's  youth games and how Jude Bellingham was going to be a superstar.
What has always baffled me is how many,in my day,ex England schoolboy and youth internationals failed to make the grade.Somebody published a list of our youngest debutants and a good percentage of them failed to have a career with us.Yet there was a time  in the 70s and 80s when England no.9s ,Regis,Mariner and Birtles had played at non league level.Withe had played for Barrow (?) and the Blues.
'The Guardian' publishes a 'Young Generation'  , a yearly list of the best talent from Premier League clubs.Again for the supposed best talent,the casualty rate is high.The career trajectory of major European nations' footballers seem ,to my limited knowledge ,to be more straight forward,playing for the national team at various age groups and then playing in elite football.
We seem to be copying that with Southgate picking previous u21s such as the talented Mason Mount.Is/was it a difference in coaching,assessment of players,a
blindness to physical development in young players ,such as Phil Jones being regarded as a great player ?


Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 07, 2020, 12:09:57 AM
I think you have to remember that most of the team we're playing in the U23s right now are technically still U18 players, previously we'd have had 6-7 20-23 year olds in the team and the U18 would slowly replace them. It's a completely intended change and 4-5 years at that age is a huge gap so I think it's to make them experience that big step in physicality and quality earlier so when the next one comes between U23 and seniors it's less of a shock, particularly if there's a season of L2-championship football in there as well.

To add to Legions list Chukwuemeka and philgene-bidace have something about them as well, and then there's all the new lads that have come in this summer. I've been given another name as well but I can't remember it right now, lad in the U15s who plays on the wing but will probably end up as a midfielder, apparently he's a bit special.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: fredm on October 07, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
I think whilst the lads need and learn from playing in games like last night, to put the whole team in against men does not particularly help.  They need two or three older heads alongside them to give them both the guidance and, if necessary, physical application.  Now the "second string" are out of the league cup there was nothing to stop some of them being used to help out the youngsters.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Risso on October 07, 2020, 12:02:48 PM
I guess it's tough to judge even for the experts in the game. Look at Ben Woodburn at Liverpool, hailed as the next big thing and played for Wales at 17, now on loan at Oxford Utd and has had a couple of bad foot injuries.

I'd forgotten about him, yep he was touted as going to be something special, and in fairness the odds bits I saw of him he did look like he'd make it.

There are highly-rated young players who make even bigger falls. Dan Crowley, for example.

Michael Johnson at Man City. Still only 32.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 17, 2020, 01:22:50 PM
U18s  are leading 1-0 away at spurs. Bogarde with the goal.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on October 17, 2020, 02:02:15 PM
Won 2-0 but had Swinkels sent off, straight red.  Abldeen-Goodridge with the second.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 17, 2020, 02:02:31 PM
Babbies won two-nil 🙂
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Clampy on October 19, 2020, 01:45:29 PM
Under 23's beating Wolves at the moment. Live on Wolves TV on you tube if anyone wants to watch it.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 01:48:39 PM
Under 23's beating Wolves at the moment. Live on Wolves TV on you tube if anyone wants to watch it.

Aaron Ramsey with the goal a few minutes before half time.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on October 19, 2020, 01:55:39 PM
You would think Jacob would be playing since he wasn't involved last night.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 19, 2020, 02:02:12 PM
Under 23's beating Wolves at the moment. Live on Wolves TV on you tube if anyone wants to watch it.

Aaron Ramsey with the goal a few minutes before half time.

I wonder if he has the deathly powers of his namesake.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on October 19, 2020, 02:04:25 PM
Left back looks decent
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
Quite a few look like good players, DJ Sturridge up front has a good turn of pace.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on October 19, 2020, 02:26:13 PM
Keepers distribution leaves a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 02:30:00 PM
They equallised but Barry has just put us back in front with a lovely goal.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 19, 2020, 02:32:35 PM
Just watching Barry and thinking he  overdribbles going onto his right, then he goes on his left and scores.Nice goal.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 02:38:27 PM
Another for Barry, Wolves keeper was poor but was good build up.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on October 19, 2020, 02:39:01 PM
Another for Barry. 1:3

lovely goal. Again.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 19, 2020, 02:43:51 PM
We look a good unit
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 02:47:46 PM
I really like the look of Philogene-Bidace (the 14), he's got a lovely fluid running style and low centre of balance. He needs to work on his end product but there's something there.

I also think all of the back 4 look decent, I remember seeing Dom Revan a few years back and thinking he looked solid but really awkward on the ball but he's much more cultured now.


Overall the way we press seems to have been adopted straight from the first team, which is fantastic to see.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on October 19, 2020, 03:00:56 PM
 There was a lot of good dribbling and attacking play but I thought the no8 stood out as having good positional disclipline, he knitted things together well and used the ball calmly.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 03:06:18 PM
There was a lot of good dribbling and attacking play but I thought the no8 stood out as having good positional disclipline, he knitted things together well and used the ball calmly.

That's Chukwuemeka who is incredibly highly rated, he's looked as good as that every time I've seen him (which is only 3-4 games to be fair). I thought the 6 alongside him (who I don't remember seeing before) looked good as well, between them they did a lot of the same work that Luiz and McGinn do for the firsts, just without the massive arse.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 19, 2020, 03:09:41 PM
Bazza’s goal to make it 2-1

https://twitter.com/avfcchats/status/1318184143910567936?s=21
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on October 19, 2020, 03:19:37 PM
Did anyone pay attention to the comments section, I know I shouldnt, there was a Coventry fan trying desperately to get some attention. On a Villa v Wolves u23 game thread. Mind boggles.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 04:00:44 PM
Did anyone pay attention to the comments section, I know I shouldnt, there was a Coventry fan trying desperately to get some attention. On a Villa v Wolves u23 game thread. Mind boggles.

first thing I did was hide that, there's nothing worse than the comments section of a live stream on youtube, it makes trumps twitter feed look intellectual.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 21, 2020, 10:53:51 PM
Carney Chukwuemeka has signed his first professional contract with Villa

(https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1318823737525940226/NVbKOMdP?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: stevo_st on October 21, 2020, 11:03:48 PM
Was he wearing the no.8 shirt in the recent u23 game against Wolves?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 21, 2020, 11:07:12 PM
Was he wearing the no.8 shirt in the recent u23 game against Wolves?

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1318830061496258561
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on October 22, 2020, 12:53:16 PM
The way he runs with the ball makes me think of Tony Daley.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on October 24, 2020, 10:13:00 PM
Just to top off a awful weekend the U18 lost their unbeaten record 3 0 to Fulham
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on October 25, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
You're going to learn more from a defeat, at any level.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on October 25, 2020, 02:39:06 PM
You'd hope players, coaches and managers are going to learn more from a defeat, at any level.
Just fixed that for you, OCD  :D
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on October 25, 2020, 06:13:02 PM
Well, yes :)
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on November 07, 2020, 08:56:31 PM
Fair play to the U18 against Southampton this afternoon Went into stoppage losing 3 1 but managed to score twice in four minutes to end up 3-3
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 02:03:16 PM
The U23s are away at Burnley this afternoon with Heaton getting a game, just kicked off.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmYpDeMXYAE53iR?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 02:16:55 PM
leading 1-0 Philogene-Bidace with the goal.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: adrenachrome on November 09, 2020, 03:11:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1323232498961272832/SQSrgAKn_bigger.jpg)Aston Villa@AVFCOfficial·10m

Jaden Philogene-Bidace put us ahead with a superb lob before Burnley hit back on the stroke of half-time. #PL2 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/PL2?src=hashtag_click)
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 03:36:13 PM
2-1 now, Aaron Ramsey with our 2nd
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 03:56:13 PM
Finished 2-2 they got a very late equaliser which means they've scored near the end of each half.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on November 09, 2020, 05:50:21 PM
Ironic that Heaton makes a return against the same opposition that did him in.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 10, 2020, 01:23:19 AM
Rather harsh, as no Burnley player was involved in the incident where Tom got injured.

I can't say the same about Wesley!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on November 10, 2020, 11:21:17 AM
Yeah, fair point. I had forgotten how Heaton did his tbh. I remember the Wesley one.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: stevo_st on November 17, 2020, 10:26:21 PM
U21s got knocked out of the Papa John's Trophy tonight..... Dough!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on November 21, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
Great start to the weekend,U18 have just won at Chelsea to remain top of the league  The goal machine Brad Young got a couple  Well done you young lions
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 21, 2020, 02:35:26 PM
Seven goals for him now. One to keep an eye on?

And did we ever get any reason why the club Twitter pays no attention to these games?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 21, 2020, 02:42:49 PM
Oh and we've been drawn away to Reading in the Youth Cup. Given the small crowds these matches usually attract, is there a chance fans could be allowed to attend?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 21, 2020, 08:46:59 PM
I doubt it!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on November 23, 2020, 09:20:19 PM
Good 2-0 win for the U23 at Stoke tonight Well taken goals from Philogene -Bidace and Barry were good enough to see off Stoke .Villa dominated most of the game after the Stoke Keeper received a red card and should have scored more but 2-0 will do nicely
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 24, 2020, 12:53:01 AM
I've heard a lot of good things about Jaden P-B. Has anyone seen him play?

He's only just seventeen, isn't he, but already in the U23s and doing well.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2020, 01:27:14 AM
Was Keinan there? He doesn't make the match day 18 at the moment
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: in exile on November 24, 2020, 10:43:46 AM
Good 2-0 win for the U23 at Stoke tonight Well taken goals from Philogene -Bidace and Barry were good enough to see off Stoke .Villa dominated most of the game after the Stoke Keeper received a red card and should have scored more but 2-0 will do nicely
Any idea if Heaton had much to do?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on November 24, 2020, 11:08:34 AM
Was Keinan there? He doesn't make the match day 18 at the moment

I assume he's injured otherwise I would expect him to be on the bench. They've purposely packed the U23's with mostly 18 year-olds though.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on November 24, 2020, 04:12:56 PM
Heaton did not have much to do  ,in fact i can only remember him having  to make a couple of tame efforts throughout the whole match .The sending off of the Stoke  keeper after  around ten minutes ensured Villa had most of the ball and should really have had more goals
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 08, 2020, 08:07:01 PM
New Aston Villa Inner City Football Academy as part of the Witton Road development. Seems a superb idea to continue to capture young local talent.

https://twitter.com/TDBbirmingham/status/1336359587268726785?s=20
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: BC Villain on December 08, 2020, 09:42:38 PM
New Aston Villa Inner City Football Academy as part of the Witton Road development. Seems a superb idea to continue to capture young local talent.

https://twitter.com/TDBbirmingham/status/1336359587268726785?s=20

Very good move.  Big city like Birmingham will have plenty of young talent to mine, but we probably miss out on as they're unable to get to Bodymoor.

Another very clever move from NSWE
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on December 08, 2020, 09:45:42 PM
Transport from schools is (or at least was) provided by the club.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on December 08, 2020, 09:54:26 PM
Transport from schools is (or at least was) provided by the club.

Still is unless it's changed in the last few weeks. Still better to have something more central to replace stumps though (on that topic has it actually closed yet).
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 08, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
I know they have ruined my weekends, crushed my spirit, broken my heart. But I really do love this club. I was a kid who grew up and went to school in both Aston and Erdington. I know how much this will be appreciated by the local kids and you know there are children who don’t get noticed. Also my old mate Mark Harrison is overseeing this. He knows the area as well as I do as went to KEGS Aston together. He will play a big part in our future by developing talent. And to think he was and probably still is a nose.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on December 08, 2020, 10:13:40 PM
Transport from schools is (or at least was) provided by the club.

Still is unless it's changed in the last few weeks. Still better to have something more central to replace stumps though (on that topic has it actually closed yet).

The building formerly known as Stumps is long gone. Renamed The Academy years ago. Fond memories of playing indoor cricket then 5-a-side football there.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on December 08, 2020, 10:17:42 PM
I think the last time I played at Stumps was before the last game of the old Holte End.

I hope they don't stop there and have plans for more academies. I would love for us to become as well known for youth development as clubs like Ajax.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on December 09, 2020, 12:02:52 AM
Transport from schools is (or at least was) provided by the club.

Still is unless it's changed in the last few weeks. Still better to have something more central to replace stumps though (on that topic has it actually closed yet).

The building formerly known as Stumps is long gone. Renamed The Academy years ago. Fond memories of playing indoor cricket then 5-a-side football there.

Oh i know, I meant the academy that they'd put there, the land was on the plans for the new store and offices so it'll be knocked down at some point, was just wondering if it might last until this new facility is up or not.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on December 10, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
https://www.facebook.com/271147609556/posts/10158688248349557/?sfnsn=scwspmo
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 11, 2020, 09:06:44 PM
U-18s scrape past Reading in the FA Youth Cup

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1337501909125574663?s=19
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 11, 2020, 10:47:02 PM
Louie Baz is going to be very good indeed.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Gareth on December 12, 2020, 12:36:21 AM
Enjoyed that game - hardly rock n roll for a Friday night watching an FA Youth Cup game streamed on YouTube with no commentary :-)

Was impressed with Kessler and Chukuwumena who have both impressed whenever have seen them play.

Louis Barry is obviously a super talent but in this game he was pretty greedy & wasteful for me, the greedy side is not always a bad thing but at 3-1 he had a couple of chances where squaring it to #9 was pretty nailed on goal but took the more difficult shot on.  Can see him maybe getting a couple of cameos on bench later in season but wouldn’t expect to see him out there until next pre-season.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: adrenachrome on December 13, 2020, 01:24:30 PM
PL2 game at Leeds currently showing on their Youtube Channel.

Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2020, 03:42:37 PM
U23s home to middlesbrough, 1-1 with about 10 minutes to go. Another for Barry.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2021, 12:51:58 PM
Interesting to read that we've moved Chrisene into a left back and he's been promoted from the U18's to the U23's in that position.

Kesler and Chukwuemeka being spoken about as 2 expected to break through, as well as Barry.

Philogene-Bidace hasn't signed a contract yet and has been linked with Leipzig.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on January 05, 2021, 01:23:51 PM
Archer is now on loan at Solihull Moors for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on January 05, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
Interesting to read that we've moved Chrisene into a left back and he's been promoted from the U18's to the U23's in that position.

Kesler and Chukwuemeka being spoken about as 2 expected to break through, as well as Barry.

Philogene-Bidace hasn't signed a contract yet and has been linked with Leipzig.

I'm glad they're trying to find a solution at left back because after Targett the option right down to U16s haven't been great for a few years.

Philogene-Bidace leaving for a tiny development fee would be a blow, he looks a good prospect for me.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Gareth on January 05, 2021, 03:52:52 PM
Interesting to read that we've moved Chrisene into a left back and he's been promoted from the U18's to the U23's in that position.

Kesler and Chukwuemeka being spoken about as 2 expected to break through, as well as Barry.

Philogene-Bidace hasn't signed a contract yet and has been linked with Leipzig.

They are the most ones who have stood out in the games that other clubs have live streamed before Christmas.  Kessler may well be the main back up to Cash next season if Guilbert is sold & Elmo released in summer.  Wouldn’t be averse to one or two of them getting a bench seat betw now & end of season now we have 9 subs
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2021, 04:21:31 PM
Hopefully Philogene-Bidace goes onto sign a new contract.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 07, 2021, 07:31:10 PM
First off, I assume he's a close relative to our Chukwuemeka and secondly, I wonder if we're the Premier League club that's in for him?

https://www.skysports.com/transfer/news/12691/12181501/caleb-chukwuemeka-club-brugge-interested-in-northampton-town-teenager
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 07, 2021, 07:43:02 PM
It's his brother.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 07, 2021, 09:54:06 PM
I assumed it probably would be. Interesting to see if they add to the Ramsey brothers.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2021, 11:56:39 PM
If it is us I'd hope the plan is loan him straight back for a while, I don't like the idea of taking a player from a small club like that on the cheap not long after they've broken through, especially if it's to stick him in the reserves. See what happened to Bedeau for example.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2021, 12:31:59 AM
Perhaps it is us after my in depth scouting report last year!


He's quick
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2021, 11:14:26 AM
If it is us I'd hope the plan is loan him straight back for a while, I don't like the idea of taking a player from a small club like that on the cheap not long after they've broken through, especially if it's to stick him in the reserves. See what happened to Bedeau for example.

Signing him and loaning him straight back would be a no-brainer for me and would in similar circumstances.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2021, 11:18:33 AM
Shame we haven't got Archer still for tonight.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 08, 2021, 11:34:26 AM
Shame we haven't got Archer still for tonight.
I think he would be cup-tied anyway.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on January 08, 2021, 11:37:52 AM
He would have been.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 09, 2021, 01:20:55 PM
Of the kids that I wasn't previously aware of, I thought Sylla, Rowe and Onodi looked good. Brad Young when he came off the bench too.

Of the kids that I was aware of, Barry, Bridge and Kaine-Kesler looked good.

Looked really well organised and there seems to be plenty of strength in depth, especially considering there were a number not involved (mostly ones with very good reputations like Aaron Ramsey, Clarke, Chukwuemba, Philogene-Bidace and Archer). Not including Jacob Ramsey either.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2021, 09:40:13 AM
I'd be surprised if at least 2-3 of those lads didn't make the grade with us.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2021, 01:04:32 PM
Its just too early to tell. Our class of 2002 looked the dogs bollocks and beat an Everton side with Rooney yet apart from Steve Davis, the only others to have sustainable careers in the top two divisions were Ridgewell and Peter Whitts, God rest him.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2021, 01:53:20 PM
Its just too early to tell. Our class of 2002 looked the dogs bollocks and beat an Everton side with Rooney yet apart from Steve Davis, the only others to have sustainable careers in the top two divisions were Ridgewell and Peter Whitts, God rest him.

That's a bit unfair, Luke Moore played nearly 150 premier league games and Henderson was a full Ireland international before having to retire from injury at the age where goalkeepers are generally becoming first choice. That's 5 players who had good careers (or missed out through injury), I doubt there's many FA youth cup winning sides in the last 20 years that have done much better than that.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2021, 11:52:08 PM
I loved Luke and willed him on for a long time but he faded very quickly and was after leaving us was a bit part player at teams fighting relegation or in the Championship. The vast majority of his PL starts were with us and that was less than 40.

Henderson, being a fellow Irish man, was another I was hoping would make it for us but again he didn't carve out a PL career with us or anyone else.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: LukeJames on January 12, 2021, 12:04:22 AM
Of the kids that I wasn't previously aware of, I thought Sylla, Rowe and Onodi looked good. Brad Young when he came off the bench too.

Probably going to sound harsh here as he made a few great saves, especially the double in the first half from Fabinho/Salah but Onodi look a bit dodgy too me. The 1st and 3rd goals, I think he dived about a week too late and there was a dissalowed goal that he fumbled.

Like I say, probably a bit to harsh as we have been spoiled with an excellent GK this year and he was playing against one of the best teams of this Century so far but thats the feelings I got from watching it.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 12, 2021, 12:09:21 AM
Ridiculously harsh. And he didn't "fumble" the disallowed goal, it was kicked out of his hands. That's why it was disallowed!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2021, 12:21:23 AM
I think he was a little fortunate, he had his hands on top of the ball but didn't have a firm grip.
But I dug him from the moment I saw his mop-top and what I was hoping was a pencil perched on his ear. A real throwback this fella.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 12, 2021, 01:00:20 AM
I think he was a little fortunate, he had his hands on top of the ball but didn't have a firm grip.
But I dug him from the moment I saw his mop-top and what I was hoping was a pencil perched on his ear. A real throwback this fella.

Two hands on the ball is a foul.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: LukeJames on January 12, 2021, 02:42:24 AM
Ridiculously harsh. And he didn't "fumble" the disallowed goal, it was kicked out of his hands. That's why it was disallowed!

The fumbled part was before he had his hands on the ball but I've just watched it back and didnt realise the initial shot was from so close, I had it in my head that it was from a cross.

Not that my opinion is anything to write home about, I was predicting Benjamin Siegrist to be our number 1 GK for 15 years and save us a fortune.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on January 12, 2021, 11:42:11 AM
I think i am right in saying that at the start of the season Onodi  was regarded as second choice for the youth team  behind Sinisalo  who is very highly regarded and was allowed to go out on loan for the whole season.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2021, 12:06:31 PM
I've seen far worse goalkeeping displays like that from our first team keepers, especially a certain Mr Kalinic.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on January 12, 2021, 01:39:20 PM
I think i am right in saying that at the start of the season Onodi  was regarded as second choice for the youth team  behind Sinisalo  who is very highly regarded and was allowed to go out on loan for the whole season.

Sinisalo is at Ayr and has apparently been excellent for them. I think both are very highly regarded, last season Sinisalo was with the U23s and Onodi was in the U18s. It's going to be interesting what happens next season, I wouldn't be surprised if we flip it around and Onodi goes out and Sinisalo stays as the U23 starter.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 12, 2021, 05:01:51 PM
If he did stay as the U23 starter, we could make him number 3 for the seniors and let Heaton get a move to somewhere where he can be first choice.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 12, 2021, 07:03:57 PM
Ben Chrisene and Lamare Bogarde have signed their first pro-contracts today. Not a bad week for them really!

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/january/Bogarde-pens-pro-deal/
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/january/Chrisene-signs-pro-contract/

Mentioned in both press releases that these are 16-17 year olds who have played plenty for the under 23 squad. The new philosophy in action. Good news!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: LukeJames on January 12, 2021, 07:21:13 PM
I liked the look of Chrisene, big built for 16 and very comfortable on the ball in tight areas.

Saw him bollock the ref early in the first half aswell for getting a free kick decision wrong. Definately no lack of confidence.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 12, 2021, 09:04:24 PM
Bogarde was one of the lads we brought in before Brexit closed the loophole of being able to bring in Under 18's from Europe.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: adrenachrome on January 13, 2021, 05:18:47 PM
avfc (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/january/Wright-joins-Walsall-on-loan/)

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Tyreik Wright has joined Walsall on loan for the remainder of the season.
The young forward has been an ever-present for the Aston Villa Under-23 squad during the current campaign, making 11 appearances and scoring twice in Premier League 2.
Wright, who can play on either wing or through the middle, will link up with The Saddlers ahead of their next League Two game against Oldham Athletic on Saturday.
Walsall are 11th in the table after 22 games, sitting four points outside of the play-off positions.
Good luck, Tyreik!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on January 14, 2021, 09:29:23 AM
Bogarde was one of the lads we brought in before Brexit closed the loophole of being able to bring in Under 18's from Europe.
Sylla looked more imposing than Bogarde in the FAC game; both look to have potential.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2021, 10:30:05 AM
Bogarde was one of the lads we brought in before Brexit closed the loophole of being able to bring in Under 18's from Europe.
Sylla looked more imposing than Bogarde in the FAC game; both look to have potential.

I liked the look of all 3 of the midfielders, would like to see them in a game where we have a bit more possession though so we can see how they handle controlling the game.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2021, 11:50:31 AM
Was wondering why Tyriek wasn't involved against Liverpool.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2021, 01:54:24 PM
Was wondering why Tyriek wasn't involved against Liverpool.

Yep, he was the strange one for me as well. I've seen him a few times and I don't think he's of the level to be training with the first team so I couldn't work out why he wasn't involved, all i could come up with was that he might be another one that house shares, this makes  alot more sense. He's out of contract in the summer and I'm not sure he'll get another one with us, he could still make it but I'd have a lot of question marks over him right now. That said I hope he proves me wrong, has a brilliant 6months at Walsall and earns a new deal with us, the more youth players we have pushing for a chance with the first team the better, that's the club I want us to be.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2021, 03:37:52 PM
Interesting article in The Athletic by Gregg Evans on the jettisoning of talent over at The Sty with us and Wolves eager to pick-up the best players:

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Birmingham City are willing to offload some of their top academy players as part of a potentially money-spinning scheme, The Athletic can reveal.

A number of youngsters are either attracting interest from rival clubs or trying to secure a move away from Birmingham after the club announced plans for a major overhaul of their youth set-up.

Last month we exclusively revealed how the club were considering changing their under-23 and under-18 teams to B and C teams in the future — similar to the model at Brentford. Ditching youth development below the under-18 level was also a move under discussion, and still remains a possibility, even though plans for Category 1 status (the highest level under the Elite Player Performance Plan) are moving forward.

England youth international Calum Scanlon recently told the club he would not be signing on as a scholar and was quickly offloaded to Liverpool who paid around £500,000 for the 15-year-old.

Rico Browne, 17, is expected to be the next player out the door. The first-year scholar is highly-rated and played in the FA Youth Cup as a schoolboy last year but Birmingham City will not stand in his way if they receive a suitable offer.

Multiple sources have told The Athletic this is also the situation for other players in the club’s academy at an even younger age.

Local Premier League rivals Aston Villa and Wolverhampton Wanderers are looking to take advantage and have already drawn up a list of targets. Both clubs are recruiting aggressively to bolster their age-group teams across the board and see this as a quick way to strengthen.

Villa recently signed 13-year-old goalkeeper Sam Proctor from Peterborough United for a maximum compensation fee of £100,000 and now — according to several academy recruitment and scouting sources — have the leading under-13s player at St Andrew’s on their radar.

A number of other clubs, including Wolves, have their eye on a few more top academy talents.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on January 15, 2021, 08:15:48 PM
Villa U23  beating Sandwell Town  after 51 minutes  Barry pen and some bloke called Lansbury got the goals
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on January 15, 2021, 09:01:35 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/p4jKLJG/Villa-U23-v-West-Brom-U23.png) (https://ibb.co/p4jKLJG)

Another win over Sandwell  Well done Villa kids
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 15, 2021, 09:19:16 PM
Why did Barry take the penalty?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: rougegorge on January 16, 2021, 09:15:26 AM
I noticed Dominic Revan has joined Weymouth on loan. They're struggling in the National League so he'll probably be busy, but it will offer some good experience.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dorsetvillian on January 16, 2021, 11:46:27 AM
If and when supporters allowed to watch Weymouth I'm sure quite a few of the local Villa support will go and give him some support.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 16, 2021, 01:53:23 PM
There's obviously a desire to loan players out to local clubs, whether that's because of Covid and wanting to keep players local to their families.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 16, 2021, 02:10:07 PM
Another one gone on loan - Callum Rowe to Hereford.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/january/Rowe-links-up-with-Hereford/
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 16, 2021, 02:24:31 PM
He's one that I hadn't really much about but looked good last week. We must be building some good relationships with local sides. There's often been talk of having a feeder club in the past but if we have good relationships with all local sides then it will stand us in good stead.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2021, 02:39:12 PM
Some fine Hereford beef in return I hope.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: MorrisNielson on January 17, 2021, 07:40:14 PM
Just a quick mention about Raikhy. Made his 1st team debut last week, this week made his League debut for the U23 side.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on January 17, 2021, 09:58:59 PM
Hereford fans are really really strange
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: in exile on January 18, 2021, 09:07:28 AM
Hereford fans are really really strange
That's bull.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 18, 2021, 11:47:17 AM
Just a quick mention about Raikhy. Made his 1st team debut last week, this week made his League debut for the U23 side.

Not many can say that.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on January 22, 2021, 07:22:39 PM
U23's leading 1-0 at Norwich.  Barry who took the penalty.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: CT on January 22, 2021, 08:24:35 PM
U23's leading 1-0 at Norwich.  Barry who took the penalty.

....and another!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2021, 09:10:33 PM
Hat-trick in the end.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on January 23, 2021, 02:08:14 PM
Well done Louie ,i would imagine he has scored more goals in half a season than Keinan Davies has scored in around four years at the club .
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 24, 2021, 12:54:26 AM
There's quite a difference between U23s football and the Prem, isn't there?

Looking forward to LB's continuing development.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2021, 07:10:40 AM
There most definitely is. Especially at the moment when the vast majority are 18-21.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 25, 2021, 01:36:32 AM
Yes, we field very 'young' youth teams these days, though the results look good enough.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on January 25, 2021, 11:53:27 AM
The club took the decision to draw a line and to start fielding a mostly U18 side in the U21's. This means they'll have longer together, be playing against players who are more physically developed and getting them ready for loans into senior football, be that league or non-league. I think that's the right approach and hopefully, as we come out of Covid, they'll start being able to link up with European sides too.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on January 28, 2021, 09:37:34 PM
https://twitter.com/PreeceObserver/status/1354818758049624073?s=08
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on January 29, 2021, 09:28:37 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/january/Vassilev-joins-Robins-on-loan/
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 30, 2021, 02:09:17 PM
Under-18s win 4-0 at Reading. Brad Young with two of them. Looking good in our section of the league. Not sure how it works at the end of the season, guessing some sort of playoffs against the other division winners if you finish top?

Anywwy, league:

Palace, played 12-points 27
Fulham 12-26
Tottenham 13-25
Villa 10-25
Arsenal 11-19
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 04, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
Good news if you are a fan of the U23's

https://twitter.com/PreeceObserver/status/1357366989044514817?s=20
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on February 05, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Anyone watching the stream for this? Is it any good?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on February 05, 2021, 06:21:15 PM
1-0 up, Kesler with the opener after 16mins.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2021, 06:32:38 PM
Anyone watching the stream for this? Is it any good?
Stream is okay - pixillating on occasions.
Villa have just gifted an equaliser to Palace.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on February 05, 2021, 06:52:25 PM
Anyone watching the stream for this? Is it any good?
Stream is okay - pixillating on occasions.
Villa have just gifted an equaliser to Palace.

That was my worry for today, will probably sign up for the next one though.

I see we retook the lead just before half time, Farr with the second.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2021, 07:04:35 PM
Anyone watching the stream for this? Is it any good?
Stream is okay - pixillating on occasions.
Villa have just gifted an equaliser to Palace.
That was my worry for today, will probably sign up for the next one though.
I see we retook the lead just before half time, Farr with the second.
Yes, the quality is acceptable; just. The fixed camera position is not great either.
The Villa team has played okay; grew into the game as the half wore on. Aaron Ramsey, Kesler-Hayden, Philene-Bidace and Chrisene have stood out; and Bogarde (despite his role in the goal given away) looks like a very promising CB / defensive MF.
Chukwuemeka looks pretty good.

Second half just about to start.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2021, 07:07:57 PM
Palace equalise in the 46th minute.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: fredm on February 05, 2021, 07:21:05 PM
The camera could do with being higher so as to give a better view of the far side. Otherwise has been a good picture.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: fredm on February 05, 2021, 07:25:20 PM
Farr again. 3-2 to Villa
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2021, 07:28:12 PM
Brad Young looks like a good prospect, too.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2021, 07:43:12 PM
Super 4th goal from Chukwuemeka
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
4-3 Palace strike back.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: fredm on February 05, 2021, 07:44:08 PM
4-2 Villa. Chuckwenmaka (sp).
Bloody hell 4-3!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2021, 07:47:31 PM
Revan Minor has come on and is looking good at CB.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2021, 07:48:51 PM
4-4 Palace will not lie down.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2021, 07:50:20 PM
Given their age, Aaron Ramsey and Chukwuemeka do look pretty good.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on February 05, 2021, 10:45:45 PM
Are they still playing? No one has confirmed the final score.  Typical young fellas, out playing til it gets dark and Mums call them in for bed. Hope we won 15-12.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on February 05, 2021, 10:47:15 PM
4-4 at FT.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on February 06, 2021, 01:27:33 PM
U18s drawing away to west ham.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: TonyD on February 06, 2021, 11:01:52 PM
Why hasn’t Barry played?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on February 06, 2021, 11:12:58 PM
Why hasn’t Barry played?

Ankle injury. Out for at least another month.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: chrisw1 on February 18, 2021, 12:33:16 PM
Greg Evans has done an article in The Athletic about Philogene-Bidace.  Aparantly conract is up in the sumer and lots of clubs after him (I haven't seen full article it's behind a paywall).

Can't say I know much about our youngsters, anybody know much about this lad?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on February 18, 2021, 01:07:05 PM
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Aston Villa knew they were on to something special as soon as Jaden Philogene-Bidace pulled on the claret and blue.

The winger, now 19, was taken on trial back in December 2018 and given an opportunity in a behind-closed-doors game. Lining up alongside fellow trialists — all internationals or players connected to other professional clubs — Philogene-Bidace had little in common with those around him.

Unlike the others, he didn’t have a longstanding academy upbringing or the security of going back to another club. Brentford let him go in 2013 and subsequent trials across London were unsuccessful. Watford, Southampton and Wolverhampton Wanderers all decided he wasn’t for them, either, so he joined up with two different development centres to help kickstart his career.

At the Pro:Direct Academy, he was able to learn on the pitch as well as receiving an education. Then at Prolific Sport Management, he built up a small support network with a trusted representative who helped secure a trial at Villa.

Early into that trial, he began to show what he was about.

“An hour into his first training session, the coaches came over to me and said, ‘Where have you got this lad from?'” Villa’s former head of emerging talent, James Beaumont, tells The Athletic.

“They were saying that he was both technically and athletically unbelievable, and that he could have a really bright future.”

It was Beaumont who had recommended Philogene-Bidace after receiving a speculative call and corresponding video from a member of his inner circle saying that he should be checked out.

“When you work in recruitment, you get so many videos saying look at this guy or that guy,” Beaumont continued. “This video had been filmed from behind a criss-cross fence at a college in London. At first, I thought, here we go…

“But I watched for about 10 minutes and I noticed he had something different, something special. I had to get him in for the coaches to have a look at.”

Then came the trial game. Within minutes, all eyes were on Philogene-Bidace. A blistering display of direct and purposeful attacking football left those on the sidelines purring. The player with the lowest profile, who paid for his own digs for the three days while he tried to impress, and who had been rejected by rival clubs because of his size, turned out to be the real undiscovered gem.

“How was he not already signed up to a club?” those at Villa thought.

Tom Brady, Villa’s former head of academy recruitment, adds: “He was excellent, the best player on the pitch and he blew us all away. From the first moment we saw him, it became obvious that he was going to be a star player for our under-18 team, and potentially long-term for Villa as well.

“As he wasn’t with a club, his situation was very favourable. It was almost as if it was too good to be true. We decided to take him. It was a no-brainer.”

Not only a success story for Villa, but a shining example for other young players who often feel lost and deflated during times of rejection in their teenage years, the attacker is showing that it’s not impossible to recover from early setbacks.

When he first joined Villa, he was described by those who coach him as a “raw talent”. “He had loads of skills and was tricky, which is exactly what you want in a winger,” adds Brady. “But, as is the modern-day game now, he still needed a bit of time to be a bit more refined.

“The coaches have taught him that since.”

Developing a rock-solid mindset will be his next task. Those close to him talk about a youngster willing to listen. He’s well-liked at Villa, one of the most exciting teenagers at the club, and already doing the business, too. Although yet to make a first-team appearance, he’s scored six goals in 11 games for the under-23s and is attracting interest from a number of clubs on the continent.

Had he not been training with the senior “bubble”, and, therefore, forced into isolation with the rest of the group when there was a COVID-19 outbreak at Villa last month, he would have made his senior debut alongside a number of other development players in the 4-1 FA Cup defeat to Liverpool.

For his age — he turned 19 at the start of February — he’s progressing nicely, and the selectors at England like him, too. Bagging a hat-trick on his debut for the under-19 side in a behind-closed-doors friendly at St George’s Park last year certainly helped.

Less than three years ago, he was playing college football. Now he’s representing his country and pushing to become a regular in Villa’s first-team training sessions.

What happens next is still unclear, though, and his future remains uncertain. With just a few months remaining on his contract, there’s a big decision to make before the summer. Staying at Villa is the priority. He’s happy at the club and there’s a new contract offer on the table.

But there’s also the option of earlier exposure by moving elsewhere. The pathway into the first team at Villa will require a loan spell first and then patience. A number of big clubs in Germany, Holland, Belgium and Portugal are willing to fast-track him straight into the first-team set-up.

For a kid who was rejected as a youngster, the sudden interest is somewhat overwhelming. That a decision is yet to be made over his future only highlights that.

The weeks and months ahead are important for both Philogene-Bidace and Villa. If he sticks around in the Midlands, a plan to shape him into a future first-team player will be put in place.

If he moves on, there may be more people wondering why he slipped through the net again.

From the Athletic
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on February 18, 2021, 01:41:52 PM
Sign him up long-term with sweeteners and loan him out to the low countries next season?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on February 20, 2021, 10:16:10 PM
Aston Villa U18  1  Spurs  U18 1  It turned out to be a useful result as the two teams above us Palace and Fuham both lost We have a couple of games in hand over both and play Fulham who are the only team to beat us nexr week 
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on February 20, 2021, 10:19:20 PM
Glad we equalised. Was quite annoyed that Tottenham had a player called "Scarlett" in the team and he wasn't their skipper.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on February 20, 2021, 10:20:15 PM
Sign him up long-term with sweeteners and loan him out to the low countries next season?

Agreed.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on February 21, 2021, 11:24:00 AM
If Jack is out, I wonder if Philogene-Bidace will get a place on the bench.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 22, 2021, 02:05:55 AM
If he's ready, give him a chance.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on February 22, 2021, 11:27:47 AM
Noteworthy that Chukwuemeka and Kessler were on the bench yesterday. I know the former had been training with the first team since the turn of the year but presumably Kessler has only been with the 1st team squad for the past week. It would be good if he can start doing well in training and if he can, we could be set at right back next season with Cash and Kessler.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on February 26, 2021, 11:02:56 PM
Such a shame those lads missed out on the FA Cup game because they were training with the senior squad.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: GRTourist on February 28, 2021, 06:43:56 PM
Hi,

I was the photographer at your U18 match against Fulham yesterday, and I've put together this match report with a fair few of the pictures.  Hopefully it's of interest to a few:

https://thegrassrootstourist.com/2021/02/28/fulham-u18-vs-aston-villa-u18/ (https://thegrassrootstourist.com/2021/02/28/fulham-u18-vs-aston-villa-u18/)

Regards,

GRT
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on February 28, 2021, 06:45:45 PM
Nice one GRT. It would be good if the club could produce more content about the U18's and U23's.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on February 28, 2021, 06:48:32 PM
Nice one GRT. It would be good if the club could produce more content about the U18's and U23's.

Yes. That's been a real bug-bear of mine for years.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on February 28, 2021, 06:51:33 PM
Hi,

I was the photographer at your U18 match against Fulham yesterday, and I've put together this match report with a fair few of the pictures.  Hopefully it's of interest to a few:

https://thegrassrootstourist.com/2021/02/28/fulham-u18-vs-aston-villa-u18/ (https://thegrassrootstourist.com/2021/02/28/fulham-u18-vs-aston-villa-u18/)

Regards,

GRT

That was excellent. Thank you. Please feel free to post any more Villa-related shoots you may do in future.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2021, 06:58:09 PM
Hi,
I was the photographer at your U18 match against Fulham yesterday, and I've put together this match report with a fair few of the pictures.  Hopefully it's of interest to a few:
https://thegrassrootstourist.com/2021/02/28/fulham-u18-vs-aston-villa-u18/ (https://thegrassrootstourist.com/2021/02/28/fulham-u18-vs-aston-villa-u18/)
Regards,
GRT
That's a great way to report the game. Thanks - a brilliant read, despite the result!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on February 28, 2021, 10:55:21 PM
Really good and interesting report on the Fullham v Villa match, it certainly puts our coverage of youth and reserve football to shame  .I have mentioned it before but Fulham really are our bogey team Only team to beat us this season twice ,always seem to get a penalty and i notice our team seemed to missing a few regulars
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on March 01, 2021, 11:44:02 AM
I tend to associate the term 'bogey team' as a team who are mid-table or lower who always get a result against us despite their position. I think Fulham are one of the top sides in the league so it was always going to be a tough game but there's a number of lads in that team making their first or one of their first U18 games. Even for an U18 team, it looked like quite a young side. Possibly part of a greater strategy of getting players into sides early as part of their development.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on March 01, 2021, 01:52:13 PM
U23s are away at Sunderland. Currently 0-0 at half time. It's as weak a U23 team as I've seen us put out all season, I think a lot of players who could be involved must be with the first team squad.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PGW on March 01, 2021, 02:59:59 PM
Aaron Ramsay with 2 and Brad Young just about see us home 3-2.

Leaders Leeds losing at Palace also.
No tears shed there that's for sure.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on March 01, 2021, 10:50:49 PM
As i suspected we  put out a weakened team at Fulham with a eye to todays U23 game at Sunderland ,Several of the guys who would have played at Fulham played this afternoon
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 02, 2021, 08:00:27 PM
New contract for JPB. Our up and coming forward.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/Philogene-Bidace-pens-new-deal/
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 02, 2021, 08:02:28 PM
Is this the lad who lots of teams were sniffing around?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 02, 2021, 08:05:10 PM
Yep. Leipzig were one apparently

Here is a little snippet I found of him

Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 02, 2021, 08:07:02 PM
Looks and sounds all very positive
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on March 02, 2021, 09:25:52 PM
Excellent news as I was concerned he might leave with the stories around.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on March 02, 2021, 11:40:49 PM
Great news, I really like what I've seen of him, pace, quick feet and the confidence to try a few tricks. With some good coaching he can become a very good player.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Drummond on March 03, 2021, 07:59:35 AM
Excellent news as I was concerned he might leave with the stories around.

No doubt agent stories to try and get him some more money...
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on March 03, 2021, 01:05:25 PM
Excellent news as I was concerned he might leave with the stories around.

No doubt agent stories to try and get him some more money...

From what I can make out the delay in signing was about game time more than money.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 03, 2021, 02:43:29 PM
New deal for Seb Revan. Is that Dom’s brother?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on March 03, 2021, 02:48:21 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on March 03, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
Do we have any partnerships with Antwerp or Voldendam etc. where we can get these boiz toughened-up for big boys football?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on March 03, 2021, 05:17:30 PM
Another one who has been involved with England at youth level.

We do like to recruit brothers, don't we!
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