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Title: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2020, 01:29:47 PM
First signing of the season for our newly-promoted heroines, Scotland international and will annoy Blose. Good news all round.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/07/02/chloe-arthur-signs-for-villa-women?g4id=5
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on July 03, 2020, 04:55:51 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/07/03/seven-new-scholars-sign
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 09:58:51 PM
More to come.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on July 06, 2020, 03:39:59 PM
Cam has signed his first pro-contract.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 08, 2020, 01:52:48 AM
Good news, Leeg.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2020, 01:00:21 PM
Looks like we landed Sil Swinkels. I don’t know who he is either but highly rated kid from the Vitesse academy and Dutch U16 apparently.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 03, 2020, 01:02:07 PM
Good stuff.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 04, 2020, 04:12:43 PM
We are signing Ben Chrisene youngster from Exeter.  Matt Taylor their manager is saying he will go to the very top.  He made his debut in the Carsbao Cup last year when still 15.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on August 04, 2020, 04:27:41 PM
I'm really interested to see how good the kids will be over the next few years because you get the sense that we're starting to get a really good structure in place.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: rougegorge on August 18, 2020, 02:53:38 PM
The U21s have got Carlisle United, Fleetwood Town and Sunderland in the EFL Trophy group stages.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 19, 2020, 03:11:35 PM
We are signing Ben Chrisene youngster from Exeter.  Matt Taylor their manager is saying he will go to the very top.  He made his debut in the Carsbao Cup last year when still 15.

Now signed.  Like the look of this lad.

Speaking about the fee itself though, president and director of football and external affairs, Julian Tagg praised Aston Villa for their professional approach and fairness during the transfer dealing.

“Whilst the fee is undisclosed, when a possible arbitration fee is considered we are pleased with the valuation,” he said. “Aston Villa have been very professional and fair in their dealings with Exeter City and we as a club would like to acknowledge that.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: FatSam on August 23, 2020, 03:12:58 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on August 23, 2020, 05:20:57 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21

Could be useful. Looks like Tammy Abraham in build/height, good feet and has pace.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 23, 2020, 08:56:53 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21

You could also argue that we are now just signing unproven players with potential at a young age at the expense of nurturing and developing the current crop by giving the better ones more opportunities. Hope the League Cup this coming season gives them some room for greater exposure.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Dave P on August 24, 2020, 10:24:44 AM
This sort of long term thinking is alien at most other clubs and is very welcome indeed.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2020, 12:25:11 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21

You could also argue that we are now just signing unproven players with potential at a young age at the expense of nurturing and developing the current crop by giving the better ones more opportunities. Hope the League Cup this coming season gives them some room for greater exposure.

I'd disagree with that. Adding extra quality in the academy is good for the existing players who've been with the club for years. Being the best player in the U10s, U12s, etc. means you're used to being the big fish and too often players like that (Delfouneso, Luke Moore) end up hitting a wall at about 17-18 and never really fulfilling that potential because the gap from where they are to the first team is too big for them. by adding extra quality at that time and letting the players develop together for a year or 2 the hope is that they all get nudged closer to being ready earlier.

The 2nd bit though is why I'd have liked the benches to stay as 9 players (even if we go back to only allowing 3 subs to be made). the extra couple of spots could be a great way to get youngsters around the first team earlier.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2020, 12:45:38 PM
I would probably go a step further and saying that at least 2 of the subs have to be under 23.

Competition for places has got to be important for development. I think if a young player was the first on the team sheet every week with no competition, they could become complacent and may take things a little for granted. Then have a bit of shock when they realise how different it is in the Premier League. Really you want kids pushing eachother to be better.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
I would probably go a step further and saying that at least 2 of the subs have to be under 23.

Competition for places has got to be important for development. I think if a young player was the first on the team sheet every week with no competition, they could become complacent and may take things a little for granted. Then have a bit of shock when they realise how different it is in the Premier League. Really you want kids pushing eachother to be better.

I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 24, 2020, 07:25:39 PM
Clarke joins Yeovil on season long loan.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/08/24/clarke-joins-yeovil
A good start.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2020, 07:50:45 PM
Clarke joins Yeovil on season long loan.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/08/24/clarke-joins-yeovil
A good start.

He's better than that, should've been at a league 1 or even a championship club.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2020, 11:39:45 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21

You could also argue that we are now just signing unproven players with potential at a young age at the expense of nurturing and developing the current crop by giving the better ones more opportunities. Hope the League Cup this coming season gives them some room for greater exposure.

I'd disagree with that. Adding extra quality in the academy is good for the existing players who've been with the club for years. Being the best player in the U10s, U12s, etc. means you're used to being the big fish and too often players like that (Delfouneso, Luke Moore) end up hitting a wall at about 17-18 and never really fulfilling that potential because the gap from where they are to the first team is too big for them. by adding extra quality at that time and letting the players develop together for a year or 2 the hope is that they all get nudged closer to being ready earlier.

The 2nd bit though is why I'd have liked the benches to stay as 9 players (even if we go back to only allowing 3 subs to be made). the extra couple of spots could be a great way to get youngsters around the first team earlier.

I'd tend to agree with that and I don't think I put my point of view across very well after re-reading it. Would be nice to see the better players at that level being given more opportunities as compared to last season. Would love to see another Grealish come through from the start and make it.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2020, 11:40:36 PM
The two stand-outs for me are Archer and Ramsey.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2020, 11:40:57 PM
Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: PeterWithe on August 25, 2020, 12:39:44 PM
Looks like we have been linked over the last few weeks by a few sources with Ruben Shakpoke, a striker from Norwich. The academy links seem to have more plausibility somehow, despite the apparently obscure sources. Perhaps the deals are just less complicated at this level? Anyway, there is definitely more ambition being shown by the club now that Harrison is onboard.

https://twitter.com/thesecretscout_/status/1297235344170131457?s=21

He looks a player although the standard of goalkeeping in some if those clips was terrible.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Drummond on August 25, 2020, 01:35:24 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing the U21 in the EFL Trophy, should be interesting.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Mister E on August 25, 2020, 01:50:48 PM
Clarke joins Yeovil on season long loan.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/08/24/clarke-joins-yeovil
A good start.
This doesn't look promising for a kid rated highly by several on here.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on August 25, 2020, 02:53:34 PM
Grealish went on loan to Notts County. As long as they get game time and he's somewhere where they will be playing a similar style to us.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 26, 2020, 09:57:37 PM
https://twitter.com/StratfordTownFC/status/1298707197749342208?s=08

Cam with our goal.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on August 26, 2020, 10:06:20 PM
Usual lack of promotion and coverage of this from Pravda.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
U21s in action at Sunderland tonight in the EFL Trophy. Does anyone know if it can be watched anywhwere/
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2020, 03:24:18 PM
There is also a match vs Tamworth.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2020, 08:32:45 PM
No coverage or score updates from either game tonight that I can find.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Lsvilla on September 01, 2020, 08:37:46 PM
U21s in action at Sunderland tonight in the EFL Trophy. Does anyone know if it can be watched anywhwere/
I think this is next Tuesday 8/9.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2020, 09:00:58 PM
The match vs Tamworth is definitely on. Cam is playing.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2020, 11:13:53 PM
Won 7-0. Archer played 60 mins and scored 2.
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2020, 10:49:56 AM
Was it the U23's or was it the first team?
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2020, 11:02:58 AM
U21s in action at Sunderland tonight in the EFL Trophy. Does anyone know if it can be watched anywhwere/
I think this is next Tuesday 8/9.

Ah, yes, no wonder I couldn't find anything......!
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: in exile on September 02, 2020, 11:05:40 AM
Was it the U23's or was it the first team?
U23's
Title: Re: Reserves, Academy and Women 2020/21
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2020, 11:07:58 AM
That's encouraging then that the U23's can win so comprehensively against a senior side.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 05, 2020, 08:46:39 PM
First signing of the season for our newly-promoted heroines, Scotland international and will annoy Blose. Good news all round.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/07/02/chloe-arthur-signs-for-villa-women?g4id=5

New thread started for our Women's team. This starting post could not be moved. Hope everything is correct.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 07, 2020, 04:55:55 PM
U23s in action tomorrow.

Delaney FB interview (https://www.facebook.com/101566839887394/posts/3565027660207944/)
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 07, 2020, 09:46:00 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCU23/status/1303067980616667136?s=08

I voted for Cam.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 07, 2020, 10:44:46 PM
Archer vote all day Long.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 07, 2020, 10:58:46 PM
By a country mile for me. Easily the best of the lot in his position. He is so versatile as well. Two-footed, can play up front on his own, with a strike partner, behind the striker, on the left and on the right. Not all at the same time, though!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 07, 2020, 10:59:28 PM
Surprised not to see Jacob Ramsey as an option, mind. He is equally as special.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 07:47:40 AM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/09/07/2020-21-academy-fixtures-confirmed
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 01:24:37 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCU23/status/1303295545423917057?s=08

Voted for Cam. Done far more than Vassilev for the U23s.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 04:11:42 PM
https://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2020/september/aston-villa-21s/preview-v-villa
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 06:28:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Phil__Smith/status/1303379494313615365?s=08
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Villa Lew on September 08, 2020, 06:33:54 PM
Carney Chukwuemeka starting tonight
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 08, 2020, 07:04:28 PM
Also both Ramsey brothers and 2 Revans (who I've not heard of before).

Cam on the bench.

For them I know Danny Graham and Grant Leadbitter, plus Flanagan and Maguire. Think they're playing a few youngsters too.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 08, 2020, 07:16:01 PM
Also both Ramsey brothers and 2 Revans (who I've not heard of before).

Cam on the bench.

For them I know Danny Graham and Grant Leadbitter, plus Flanagan and Maguire. Think they're playing a few youngsters too.

Some proper old journeyman pros in that Sunderland team, as well as my favourite name of a footballer ever - Max Power. It'll be a good test for our youngsters.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 08, 2020, 07:21:28 PM
Currently losing 2-0.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 07:22:20 PM
Not surprised to be honest.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: rougegorge on September 08, 2020, 08:05:23 PM
We didn't do well at this competition last season and probably we won't be progressing this year.

I don't know if our youngsters are promising or not but this is a platform for them to impress. It's not a full Sunderland first team that's for sure.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 08, 2020, 08:06:20 PM
2-1 now, Vassilev penalty.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 08, 2020, 08:10:26 PM
Make that 3-1.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:18:55 PM
We didn't do well at this competition last season and probably we won't be progressing this year.

I don't know if our youngsters are promising or not but this is a platform for them to impress. It's not a full Sunderland first team that's for sure.

Too many 16/17 year old players that are just not up to it.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:35:54 PM
4-1 now. Defensively shocking.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:37:05 PM
5-1.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:42:12 PM
7.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:42:32 PM
All over the place at the back.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: rougegorge on September 08, 2020, 08:55:17 PM
Crikey 8-1!

That's awful whichever way you look at it. Is Delaney still the coach?

I won't be holding out much hope for this crop judging on that performance.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 08, 2020, 08:59:12 PM
8-1. Pitiful. Feel sorry for Delaney. Well done, Smith.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 08, 2020, 09:09:47 PM
Worse than it was last season in this competition .Boys against men it appears
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 08, 2020, 09:15:15 PM
Bit of a wake up call for them.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Dave P on September 08, 2020, 09:58:47 PM
Every season of Sunderland till I die starts off like this and tails off at the end
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 08, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
Hopefully 4 or 5 of them get loans before the window closes. Sunderland put their first team out for match practice so there was clearly an inbalance but looks like a few of them got stage fright so only way to solve that is give them loan and see if they sink or swim from playing in league 1 or 2.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 08, 2020, 11:37:51 PM
Barcelona lost 8-2, relax FFS.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 08, 2020, 11:52:56 PM
Hopefully 4 or 5 of them get loans before the window closes. Sunderland put their first team out for match practice so there was clearly an inbalance but looks like a few of them got stage fright so only way to solve that is give them loan and see if they sink or swim from playing in league 1 or 2.

A lot of them are from the U18 squad so they're probably a year too early for loaning out. That was a very young Villa team against a pretty strong Sunderland team and the heads clearly went down.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2020, 01:06:30 AM
Barcelona lost 8-2, relax FFS.

Time to pair up the old and new dream team of Messi and Mungo Bridge.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: in exile on September 09, 2020, 11:37:45 AM
Barcelona lost 8-2, relax FFS.
And I expect your bet came in.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Drummond on September 09, 2020, 11:44:18 AM
I'm surprised there was no Barry involved?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2020, 02:20:41 PM
I'm surprised there was no Barry involved?
Did he not take the penalty?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 09, 2020, 02:40:40 PM
Surely it's no different to Liverpool in the League Cup - a youth team against first-teamers.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 12, 2020, 04:04:58 PM
A pretty unfamiliar U18 team (loads of players that could've been weren't involved) won 2-1 against Leicester earlier to start their season with a win.

Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 12, 2020, 06:07:41 PM
There was an article in The Athletic about how we've transformed our youth team set-up. I was interested in reading it but I'm not a subscriber.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 13, 2020, 12:01:12 AM
Nice to see the U18 beat Leicester today,they more often than not get the better of us at this level
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: danno on September 13, 2020, 08:26:41 PM
There was an article in The Athletic about how we've transformed our youth team set-up. I was interested in reading it but I'm not a subscriber.

Yeah I wanted to read this too, but am too stingy to pay for it. Plus its by Gregg Evans so its bound to be some hatchet job about us kidnapping their staff and forcing them to leave Albion and work for us for better money.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2020, 10:23:13 PM
I see George Boateng has returned to Villa as a coach for the u-23's.  Shame he can't still play.  I thought he'd been back a while but there is a news item on Sky Sports News.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 13, 2020, 10:26:07 PM
The story is about him being moved up to working with the Under 23's. He's been a coach for the past year working with younger age groups.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 13, 2020, 10:26:30 PM
I see George Boateng has returned to Villa as a coach for the u-23's.  Shame he can't still play.  I thought he'd been back a while but there is a news item on Sky Sports News.

He was with the U18s last season but has moved up to the U23s. There's a nice clip from an interview with him on the club Twitter, I guess the full interview will be on the website.

And yes, wouldn't a George Boateng in his prime fill that extra defensive/holding midfielder position we've been talking about very nicely!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2020, 10:28:33 PM
I see George Boateng has returned to Villa as a coach for the u-23's.  Shame he can't still play.  I thought he'd been back a while but there is a news item on Sky Sports News.

He was with the U18s last season but has moved up to the U23s. There's a nice clip from an interview with him on the club Twitter, I guess the full interview will be on the website.

Righto, thanks.  I had a feeling that he had been there a while.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
U23s playing away to the baggies right now.


https://www.avfc.co.uk/Fixtures/2020-to-2029/2020-2021/English-Premier-League-2-Division-Two/West-Brom-U23-vs-Aston-Villa-U23?matchdetails=1


Just gone 1-0 behind. Some interesting names missing from the team though, Jacob Ramsey, Barry and Kesler all absent so I suspect they may be involved tomorrow.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 14, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Can't see a line-up.

I think Ramsey will be involved tomorrow, probably on the bench.

Is Barry involved with the U23's or the U18's?

Kesler's an interesting one. If he's involved tomorrow you have to wonder whether Guibert is going to be sold.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2020, 01:52:21 PM
Yeah, didn't notice the teams were there.

Try this one. (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB800GB800&sxsrf=ALeKk00xGxwCSc5QSZ_lc8yGOOdDi5ZQqQ:1600087805371&q=Aston+Villa+U-23&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgecR4jpVb4OWPe8JSR1gnrTl5jXEvKxdXcEZ-uWteSWZJpZAeFxuUpcIlKMWrn65vaJhumWVqnF2SrMEgxc-FKqT0j8XIZ9elaefY3AQZgGDfrTAHKU0tIS52z2Kf_OTEHMFdGz-8XX7npp2WMBdHSGJFfl5-biVYKQPDB3slPk4g3eBi8NbeFiSixWC1mIVLILggv6ik2DexJDnDvSi_tEBoCzMXT0BiUUlmcmZBYl5JsdBiZqEFzFyCSGIBOYmVqSlCXcxc3EiixPlC6hSTkCqXsn5yfk5OanJJZn6efmJxcWZxCdCE-KLU3My8lNSiYv3EnBwhDS41ZGXZefnlOakp6anxQNtSc4r1MzLTM3KAuERImUsRWWVOUXwx2FtAwdyCVGAQ5xcVC8lySWNXVJKamFssJM0liSxdkJpfkJManw4Kk2IhKS4JZMni_OTk1KJ4iEY5LhkUOYihQONTIZGL5g2ofH5xUUF8KtD5mUlAayAmodsCVgmRs-JPLC7Jz1Moy8zJSVQoNTLOVWnKtFfi4GAQYJFgUOBXikBJG9vOBVGWNpr2rTjExsLBKIDE4lnEKuAIdkUY2BWhukbGAE-fK8PnAgAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt4v3J1-jrAhVSoXEKHTyNDVAQ6RMwHnoECA0QBQ&biw=1920&bih=937#sie=m;/g/11l4np2mc5;2;/g/11d_2_t2j8;ln;fp;1;;)
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 14, 2020, 01:58:44 PM
Cheers.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 14, 2020, 01:59:15 PM
Kesler is nowhere near first team standard.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2020, 02:05:22 PM
Kesler is nowhere near first team standard.

Maybe not but missed U18 on Sat and U23 today and has been around the first team squad a fair bit.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 14, 2020, 02:51:09 PM
1-1
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Clampy on September 14, 2020, 03:14:09 PM
Finished 3-1 to them thanks to two late penalties.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 14, 2020, 03:33:22 PM
Sounds like Sandwell had their own referee with them,two pens in last couple of minutes ,one of which was a very harsh handball by all accounts
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 14, 2020, 06:52:23 PM
Just read the match report. It was Wright who missed at the end, not Archer.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 16, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
The main ones to watch this season are Ramsey, Bridge and Archer. All three have the potential to make it. They either need a loan out to gain invaluable experience or some opportunities at first team level in whatever competition to show what they are capable of.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 17, 2020, 05:20:53 PM
Vassilev to Burton Albion for the season.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 06:47:13 PM
U23s vs Norwich this evening.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
No coverage or updates from Villa.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 07:32:03 PM
https://twitter.com/NorwichCityAcad?s=08
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 07:33:43 PM
1-0 to us.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 18, 2020, 07:43:18 PM
1-0 to us.

Ramsay.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 08:13:56 PM
Ramsey.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 08:16:13 PM
2-0.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 18, 2020, 08:38:59 PM
3-0.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 18, 2020, 08:48:45 PM
Think the kid who got the 3rd is the one we just got from Norwich
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 18, 2020, 08:51:08 PM
It's not him.  This one is Philogene-Bidace, can't remember the name of the lad we got from Norwich.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Lsvilla on September 18, 2020, 09:30:54 PM
It's not him.  This one is Philogene-Bidace, can't remember the name of the lad we got from Norwich.
Shakpoke
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 19, 2020, 12:15:11 AM
3-0 (Aaron Ramsey, Dominic Revan and Jaden Philogene-Bidace)

Match Report - https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/september/U23s-Aston-Villa-3-0-Norwich-City/

None of the new players were involved.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 19, 2020, 11:30:32 AM
Good win for the U23 last night,pity the coverage by the club these days is so poor .I use to love watching the second team until they decided to play at Bodymoor ,now its almost impossible to follow them on line
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 19, 2020, 07:53:50 PM
Under 18s won 1-0 away at Norwich earlier despite 2 red cards.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 19, 2020, 07:55:22 PM
Good win for the U23 last night,pity the coverage by the club these days is so poor .I use to love watching the second team until they decided to play at Bodymoor ,now its almost impossible to follow them on line

It's better than last season but still very poor compared to the coverage provided by other clubs.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 19, 2020, 10:19:29 PM
Sounds a impressive win at Norwich today for the u18, Norwich thrashed Sandwell 5-1 last week and according to one of their players on their website were ready to give us some of the same today
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 21, 2020, 03:37:17 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCWiki/status/1307992025711759360?s=08
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 22, 2020, 06:05:15 PM
In the past two years, the club have recruited some of neighbours West Bromwich Albion’s leading academy brains, set out to corner the local market at junior level and gone on a recruitment drive for talented teenagers, including Lamare Bogarde, pictured top, who had interested Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur, and whose arrival is to be announced soon.

It has been a revolution.

The objective of Villa’s academy is not to produce players who can then be sold on for significant profits in the future. It is for the club; to develop talent for the first team. If in doing that some players are subsequently snapped up by rivals, then it will only be to benefit Villa financially.

Purslow has played a big part in reshaping the academy. He set out to find a framework that would help bring more players through in the future but recognised there would be no quick fix.

“Villa still have some way to go before they can start getting excited about the next batch of youngsters,” one source told The Athletic.

“They haven’t had much to shout about from the academy in recent years but you can see the clear change of direction in the last 12 months or so. They mean business, and other clubs are starting to take note.”

Villa’s planning over recent years has been strategic and deliberate. It wasn’t so long ago that West Brom were recognised as having the best academy in the Midlands, so Villa made it a priority to not only break up what was working so well just a few miles down the road, but also hire their standout staff members.

Mark Harrison ended a 13-year association at The Hawthorns to become academy manager in 2019. The vision for the future appealed and he’s already committed to a long-term plan that is now starting to take shape.

One of the first objectives was simple but rewarding, if executed correctly. Villa’s aim was to start gathering the best talent in the local area by making sure they get hold of the leading players at primary-school age and then monitoring their progress at the club. To a similar end, Villa also wanted to increase their links with inner-city clubs.

Villa also strengthened their coaching staff when Mark Naylor moved across from West Brom last summer too. He has helped to bring through goalkeepers at England youth level in the past and is now working with Villa’s.

There is also a huge recruitment drive underway, which is being led by a former Albion talent spotter, Steve Hopcroft. Villa have targeted players around the ages of 15, 16 and 17 of late.

First through the door was Louie Barry — another one formerly of West Brom — as he returned from a spell with Barcelona for £1.5 million in January.

Striker Ruben Shakpoke, 16, arrived from Norwich City last month in a deal that is understood to involve a significant transfer fee. Defender Sil Swinkels and holding midfielder Bogarde, also both 16, have agreed to join from Vitesse Arnhem and Feyenoord respectively. Official announcements are expected to follow as soon as they receive international clearance.

The capture of Bogarde is particularly impressive considering the other Premier League sides who were interested in him. Ben Chrisene, a 16-year-old from Exeter City who has already been unveiled, went on trial at a host of other clubs including Bayern Munich but chose Villa as his new destination, too.

While Villa have picked out players who they believe can flourish in the future, they’ve also been able to keep hold of those who are already well known to staff at the club.

Carney Chukwuemeka, 16, looked set to leave with a host of other clubs keen, but Villa offered him a lengthy contract and he stuck around.

Jacob Ramsey, 19, is making good progress and may be called upon in the Carabao Cup opener against Burton Albion on Tuesday. He’s from nearby Barr Beacon and has been at the club since the age of seven. If he can continue developing as a player, there finally might be another Villa youngster on the way to replicating the early stages of Grealish’s journey.

It’s 17-year-old Kaine Kesler, from the Smith’s Wood area of Birmingham, who is starting to edge his way towards the top of the pile of potential breakthrough players, though.

Smith rates the rapid right-back highly and even included him in his squad at the back end of Project Restart when Villa drew at Everton in the Premier League. One source, who suggested Kesler is now the standout player of the development group, says: “He looks like he’s got a real chance of featuring for the first team in the future. His speed is frightening and that could set him apart.”

Senior players have been taken back by his blistering pace and his desire to make an impression when called upon. Kesler travelled with the first team for the pre-season camp in Wales and has been with the seniors for the past four months.

The aim this season is to create an identity in the under-23 team, which will largely feature first and second-year scholars. If results in matches don’t go their way, it’s largely because they will be much younger than the opponents they are coming up against. Short-term struggles may bring long-term benefits.

Mark Delaney, an ex-Villa defender, is the current under-23 coach and former team-mate George Boateng has now moved up from the under-18s to be his assistant. Delaney spoke of his pride at seeing some of his young group mix in with the first team this summer.

“Before they left for Wales, we said you need to take every opportunity to learn,” he told Villa’s website. “We encouraged the youngsters to ask the seniors questions but we also said they had to bring their own game into it. We wanted them to make their mark.”

A brand-new building at Bodymoor Heath now houses the academy. They also have a purpose-built stadium, where the development teams play their home games. The facilities are excellent, which also plays a part in attracting youngsters to the club.

A major mistake Villa made in the past was keeping young, talented players at the training ground for too long when they should have been out on loan somewhere, sampling men’s football.

One former player, who has now left the club, told The Athletic: “I wanted to go out on loan a couple of times but the club blocked it. That was the only real regret I had from my time in the academy.”

There has been a new pledge to get the most progressive players in the under-23s integrated into senior football as early as possible and Ramsey moved to Doncaster Rovers earlier in the year, scoring three goals in seven League One appearances before the coronavirus shutdown.

Decisions will be made on which youngsters to let out before the transfer window closes next month. Some will benefit from men’s football, others need more time at Bodymoor Heath.

The key to correct development is understanding each player’s individual needs. Villa seem to be managing that quite well now and they have laid the early seeds for what could be a blossoming group in years to come.

Source - The Athletic.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: danno on September 22, 2020, 07:08:56 PM
Thanks for posting that.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 22, 2020, 08:31:31 PM
Yeah, many thanks OCD. Promising stuff.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 22, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
Sort of article I like to read so thought others would too.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 22, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
Thanks for posting OCD
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2020, 01:45:11 AM
Based on what it says about Kesler, it does ring true about Guilbert's days being numbered.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 23, 2020, 12:29:45 PM
It would be asking a lot for someone to go from playing in the U23's to Premier League games. You would expect them to go out on loan first.

In the comments section to that article, the Sunderland game was discussed. They said Sunderland played a very strong side and their winger tore Kesler apart.

They also said that it was the physicality we struggled with. They said something about their main striker being about 14 stone and our 17/18 year old's couldn't cope. A lot of their goals came from set pieces and it was only really in the last 20 minutes when we collapsed.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 23, 2020, 12:36:12 PM
Kesler is not as good as he thinks he is.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Luke8 on September 23, 2020, 01:46:01 PM
He’s also not long turned seventeen. I don’t know how good he is, but unless he is absolutely exceptional I don’t imagine we will see him near the first team for at least 18 months.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2020, 06:20:35 PM
U23s are home to reading tonight, kicked off at 6.

Starting Lineup
1 Onodi

2 Kesler
5 Bridge
4 D Revan
3 S Revan

8 Chukwuemeka
10 Aaron Ramsey
6 Brunt

7 Wright
11 Philogene-Bidace
9 Archer

Substitutes
14 Campton-Sturridge
12 Barry
16 Guy
13 Marshall
15 Farr

Good to see Barry fit and on the bench. Official site has some basic coverage - https://www.avfc.co.uk/match/u23/2020-21/g2141152
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
Thanks for that. That so-called coverage is woeful. I'll see if Reading have anything better.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 06:31:08 PM
No luck there either.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 06:34:27 PM
https://www.flashscore.com/match/6cDktjAD/#lineups;1
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 25, 2020, 06:39:23 PM
https://www.flashscore.com/match/6cDktjAD/#lineups;1



Reminds me of an old football computer game on the Commodore 64 ,  football director ,  spent hours and hours on it,
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2020, 06:43:35 PM
google version seems to be the best - https://www.google.com/search?q=aston+villa+u23&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB800GB800&oq=aston+villa+u23#sie=m;/g/11hnxfsv3f;2;/g/11d_2_t2j8;dt;fp;1;;
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on September 25, 2020, 06:45:06 PM
Are those Revan defenders related ?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
Are those Revan defenders related ?

Yep, brothers, Seb at left back is the younger of the 2, just up from the U18s this season.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2020, 06:53:07 PM
I wonder when we'll see these new lads and at what level.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 25, 2020, 08:01:04 PM
Villa Res 1 Reading Res 2 at full time, Reading seem to be our bogey team at reserve/youth team level .
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 25, 2020, 08:12:10 PM
First Reading goal was scored by Augustus McGiff
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 08:48:52 PM
Archer with ours.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 08:51:21 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/september/U23s-Aston-Villa-1-2-Reading/
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2020, 09:14:27 PM
Is Sturridge any relation to Dean and Daniel?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 09:15:14 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2020, 09:19:53 PM
Hopefully he's got the ability of Daniel but able to play many more games.

Looking at Dean Sturridge's profile, he didn't play many games in his career so hopefully not a family trait.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on September 25, 2020, 10:00:23 PM
I see we have loaned Sinisalo to Ayr United on a season loan
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on September 26, 2020, 12:50:48 AM
I'm loving all these weird and wonderful surnames, half of them sound like medieval warriors.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on September 26, 2020, 07:23:32 AM
I didn’t realise Sinisalo was so highly rated.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on September 26, 2020, 08:22:37 AM
I'm loving all these weird and wonderful surnames, half of them sound like medieval warriors.

Me too, Augustus McGiff sounds like a Dickensian Barrister.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 26, 2020, 01:43:37 PM
Villa Babbies gone from behind to ahead, with 2 goals in 3 minutes. The second by new signing Bogarde.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 26, 2020, 01:46:39 PM
I didn’t realise Sinisalo was so highly rated.

Probably safer not to p!ss off his cartel.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 26, 2020, 01:50:10 PM
Won 3-1, not sure of 3rd goal scorer.

Brad Young scored the 1st from the penalty spot.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 26, 2020, 02:02:05 PM
Won 3-1, not sure of 3rd goal scorer.

Brad Young scored the 1st from the penalty spot.


Jay-Har, they're currently sitting at the top of the league on nine points.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 26, 2020, 11:18:07 PM
Villa Babbies gone from behind to ahead, with 2 goals in 3 minutes. The second by new signing Bogarde.

It's good to know he's signed - that one had gone quiet. 
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on September 29, 2020, 06:07:47 PM
I see we have added to the goalkeepers collection club today.  Oliweir Zych from Zaglebie Lubin in Poland, no idea of is age.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 29, 2020, 10:56:47 PM
He's recently sixteen, so by the time he is old enough to count as squad member, he will have accrued enough years to count as "home grown".
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on September 29, 2020, 11:01:54 PM
No. Archer, Ramsey and Bridge are 'home grown'. They have been at the Academy for years. Vassilev, Barry, Zych and many others have been bought in. That's all Harrison is interested in. The ones purchased since he was appointed.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 29, 2020, 11:04:28 PM
I was talking about counting as home grown for the purposes of meeting Premier League squad requirements. The rule is you have to be trained at a club in England (or Wales) for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 21.

They will all count as home grown, even Vassilev.

If we had signed a 19 year old he wouldn't be able to become home grown, that's why I mentioned it.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 30, 2020, 10:52:38 PM
Looks like we may be signing another young Arab.
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/exclusive-highly-rated-young-dundee-united-defender-kerr-smith-to-join-aston-villa/
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on October 02, 2020, 02:59:41 PM
i have just read we have let Cameron Archer go on loan to Solihull Moors until January .It certainly is all change at Youth level
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 03:00:44 PM
He gets first team football (at last) and stays relatively local.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 02, 2020, 07:27:44 PM
U23s vs Crystal Palace (A) this evening.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 02, 2020, 07:56:27 PM
Onodi
Revan
Walker
Bridge
Kesler
Aaron Ramsey
Brunt
Chukwuemeka
Barry
Campton-Sturridge
Wright

Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on October 02, 2020, 08:03:02 PM
Scoreless at half-time.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2020, 08:18:14 PM
Apparently it's available to stream for £3 on the palace website. charging for a stream of the U23s seems particularly scummy.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 02, 2020, 08:56:30 PM
0-1 wright 92 mins
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 02, 2020, 08:57:02 PM
Nice time to score, fulltime now as well
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Luke8 on October 02, 2020, 08:59:00 PM
Apparently it's available to stream for £3 on the palace website. charging for a stream of the U23s seems particularly scummy.

Whereas the Villa website approach is that it just doesn’t exist

Either way, we nicked a last minute winner through Tyreik Wright.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Luke8 on October 02, 2020, 09:05:15 PM
Also, various England call ups within the  academy for the upcoming fixtures:
Kaine Kesler called up to the U19s
Seb Revan, Carney Chukwumeka, Aaron Ramsey and Louie Barry all with the U18s.

Jacob Ramsey is in the U20 squad as well.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: AV82EC on October 03, 2020, 08:40:45 AM
Can someone tell the hard of thinking like me how many Ramsey’s and Archers we’ve got? I don’t pay much attention to the academy and youth stuff but with both Archer and Ramsey having had 1st team opps I’d like to ensure I know who’s who!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Luke8 on October 03, 2020, 08:54:17 AM
Can someone tell the hard of thinking like me how many Ramsey’s and Archers we’ve got? I don’t pay much attention to the academy and youth stuff but with both Archer and Ramsey having had 1st team opps I’d like to ensure I know who’s who!

There are three Ramsey brother within the academy. Jacob, who is breaking into the first team, Aaron, who is with the U23s and a younger brother with the U12s, I believe.

Just the one Archer with us as far as I’m aware. Cameron, who has just gone out on loan.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: AV82EC on October 03, 2020, 08:55:18 AM
Can someone tell the hard of thinking like me how many Ramsey’s and Archers we’ve got? I don’t pay much attention to the academy and youth stuff but with both Archer and Ramsey having had 1st team opps I’d like to ensure I know who’s who!

There are three Ramsey brother within the academy. Jacob, who is breaking into the first team, Aaron, who is with the U23s and a younger brother with the U12s, I believe.

Just the one Archer with us as far as I’m aware. Cameron, who has just gone out on loan.

Thank you. I thought there were more Archers but think they may be with other clubs.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Luke8 on October 03, 2020, 09:09:06 AM
No worries. Yeah, he does have a brother who plays professionally as well. Was at Bury, but I’m not sure where he is now. Legion will be able to tell you more I’d imagine.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 03, 2020, 11:07:03 AM
Jordan is at Boston United. Lewis was released by our Academy and is now abroad.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 03, 2020, 11:36:30 AM
Beating (Fuck The) Albion 1-0 in the under-18s.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 03, 2020, 11:50:10 AM
U18s are leading 1-0 away at the baggies, just got to half time.

The goal was from Young and it sounds like we're well on top.

Bogarde, swinkels and chrisene all in the defence.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 03, 2020, 01:08:55 PM
Finished 2-1 to the goodies and 4 wins out of 4 now
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on October 03, 2020, 06:39:05 PM
Good to see the U18 beat Sandwell Town to make it four wins on the bounce and stay on top of the league I see Young scored again,seems to know where the net is .The winner was a own goal
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Rotterdam on October 04, 2020, 09:47:28 AM
I was at the U18 game yesterday and we were very good. much stronger than them.
Our first goal came from a mistake from their CB but was well finished. We went 0-2 early in the second half through an OG from a their CB again. WBA finished strongly, but we should have won about 1-6.
Swikels and Chrisene played well but I liked the look of Paul Appiah.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 04, 2020, 04:41:58 PM
Jordan is at Boston United. Lewis was released by our Academy and is now abroad.

Lewis is striker for Coventry United F.C.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Lsvilla on October 06, 2020, 08:06:36 PM
Playing in the EFL Trophy with our young kids doesn’t seem to be working. Would be interested in the thoughts of those who follow the age group teams more closely than me on the strategy here.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: rougegorge on October 06, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
You're right there. Another drubbing on the cards and with the Ramseys, Barry and a few other 'promising' youngsters playing, I thought they would fare better.

It's not nearly Fleetwood's first team - 10 changes from their side that lost on Saturday.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 06, 2020, 08:27:55 PM
I'm a bit out of the loop at the moment due to Cameron being on a short term loan at Solihull Moors until January but I'll give you my honest opinion. Plus that is all it is. My opinion. For me, only Bridge in defence, Ramsey (J) in midfield and Archer (striker) have what it takes to develop in to players of the future. Vassilev as well up to a point but he has not shown strength in any one area and can be a bit hit and miss. Barry is another exciting prospect but is very young and largely unproven with the U18s, U21s or U23s. Ramsey (A) is also good but young. Kesler is OK but has a vastly inflated opinion of his own ability. The rest are just not up to it. For the EFL Trophy it is definitely a case of our boys against the other teams men.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Lsvilla on October 06, 2020, 09:12:34 PM
I'm a bit out of the loop at the moment due to Cameron being on a short term loan at Solihull Moors until January but I'll give you my honest opinion. Plus that is all it is. My opinion. For me, only Bridge in defence, Ramsey (J) in midfield and Archer (striker) have what it takes to develop in to players of the future. Vassilev as well up to a point but he has not shown strength in any one area and can be a bit hit and miss. Barry is another exciting prospect but is very young and largely unproven with the U18s, U21s or U23s. Ramsey (A) is also good but young. Kesler is OK but has a vastly inflated opinion of his own ability. The rest are just not up to it. For the EFL Trophy it is definitely a case of our boys against the other teams men.
Thanks. Interesting stuff. I see Cameron is starting tonight for the Moors. Will follow with interest.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on October 06, 2020, 09:28:48 PM
All too often kids have been superior in their age group and then maybe becoming complacent and their development stunted. The more experience they can get of senior football, the better for me. Perhaps it will bring them down to Earth and realise how much work they actually have to do to even have a professional career in football.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 06, 2020, 09:45:48 PM
Agreed, which is why I am pleased that Cam has gone out on a short-term loan to get regular first team football. He and his family are very down to earth and realistic about things plus he has worked so hard over lockdown to keep in shape.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 06, 2020, 09:51:13 PM
I guess it's tough to judge even for the experts in the game. Look at Ben Woodburn at Liverpool, hailed as the next big thing and played for Wales at 17, now on loan at Oxford Utd and has had a couple of bad foot injuries.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 06, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Never heard of him.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 06, 2020, 09:57:02 PM
I guess it's tough to judge even for the experts in the game. Look at Ben Woodburn at Liverpool, hailed as the next big thing and played for Wales at 17, now on loan at Oxford Utd and has had a couple of bad foot injuries.

I'd forgotten about him, yep he was touted as going to be something special, and in fairness the odds bits I saw of him he did look like he'd make it.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Legion on October 06, 2020, 09:57:45 PM
I've genuinely never heard of him.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 06, 2020, 09:57:57 PM
I guess it's tough to judge even for the experts in the game. Look at Ben Woodburn at Liverpool, hailed as the next big thing and played for Wales at 17, now on loan at Oxford Utd and has had a couple of bad foot injuries.

I'd forgotten about him, yep he was touted as going to be something special, and in fairness the odds bits I saw of him he did look like he'd make it.

There are highly-rated young players who make even bigger falls. Dan Crowley, for example.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: robleflaneur on October 06, 2020, 11:21:41 PM
Mike Calvin wrote an excellent book about football scouts",The Nowhere Men,"I think it was called.It featured scouts keeping up to date on Gary Gardner's progress in Villa's  youth games and how Jude Bellingham was going to be a superstar.
What has always baffled me is how many,in my day,ex England schoolboy and youth internationals failed to make the grade.Somebody published a list of our youngest debutants and a good percentage of them failed to have a career with us.Yet there was a time  in the 70s and 80s when England no.9s ,Regis,Mariner and Birtles had played at non league level.Withe had played for Barrow (?) and the Blues.
'The Guardian' publishes a 'Young Generation'  , a yearly list of the best talent from Premier League clubs.Again for the supposed best talent,the casualty rate is high.The career trajectory of major European nations' footballers seem ,to my limited knowledge ,to be more straight forward,playing for the national team at various age groups and then playing in elite football.
We seem to be copying that with Southgate picking previous u21s such as the talented Mason Mount.Is/was it a difference in coaching,assessment of players,a
blindness to physical development in young players ,such as Phil Jones being regarded as a great player ?


Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 07, 2020, 12:09:57 AM
I think you have to remember that most of the team we're playing in the U23s right now are technically still U18 players, previously we'd have had 6-7 20-23 year olds in the team and the U18 would slowly replace them. It's a completely intended change and 4-5 years at that age is a huge gap so I think it's to make them experience that big step in physicality and quality earlier so when the next one comes between U23 and seniors it's less of a shock, particularly if there's a season of L2-championship football in there as well.

To add to Legions list Chukwuemeka and philgene-bidace have something about them as well, and then there's all the new lads that have come in this summer. I've been given another name as well but I can't remember it right now, lad in the U15s who plays on the wing but will probably end up as a midfielder, apparently he's a bit special.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: fredm on October 07, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
I think whilst the lads need and learn from playing in games like last night, to put the whole team in against men does not particularly help.  They need two or three older heads alongside them to give them both the guidance and, if necessary, physical application.  Now the "second string" are out of the league cup there was nothing to stop some of them being used to help out the youngsters.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Risso on October 07, 2020, 12:02:48 PM
I guess it's tough to judge even for the experts in the game. Look at Ben Woodburn at Liverpool, hailed as the next big thing and played for Wales at 17, now on loan at Oxford Utd and has had a couple of bad foot injuries.

I'd forgotten about him, yep he was touted as going to be something special, and in fairness the odds bits I saw of him he did look like he'd make it.

There are highly-rated young players who make even bigger falls. Dan Crowley, for example.

Michael Johnson at Man City. Still only 32.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 17, 2020, 01:22:50 PM
U18s  are leading 1-0 away at spurs. Bogarde with the goal.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dave shelley on October 17, 2020, 02:02:15 PM
Won 2-0 but had Swinkels sent off, straight red.  Abldeen-Goodridge with the second.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 17, 2020, 02:02:31 PM
Babbies won two-nil 🙂
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Clampy on October 19, 2020, 01:45:29 PM
Under 23's beating Wolves at the moment. Live on Wolves TV on you tube if anyone wants to watch it.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 01:48:39 PM
Under 23's beating Wolves at the moment. Live on Wolves TV on you tube if anyone wants to watch it.

Aaron Ramsey with the goal a few minutes before half time.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on October 19, 2020, 01:55:39 PM
You would think Jacob would be playing since he wasn't involved last night.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 19, 2020, 02:02:12 PM
Under 23's beating Wolves at the moment. Live on Wolves TV on you tube if anyone wants to watch it.

Aaron Ramsey with the goal a few minutes before half time.

I wonder if he has the deathly powers of his namesake.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on October 19, 2020, 02:04:25 PM
Left back looks decent
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
Quite a few look like good players, DJ Sturridge up front has a good turn of pace.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on October 19, 2020, 02:26:13 PM
Keepers distribution leaves a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 02:30:00 PM
They equallised but Barry has just put us back in front with a lovely goal.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 19, 2020, 02:32:35 PM
Just watching Barry and thinking he  overdribbles going onto his right, then he goes on his left and scores.Nice goal.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 02:38:27 PM
Another for Barry, Wolves keeper was poor but was good build up.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on October 19, 2020, 02:39:01 PM
Another for Barry. 1:3

lovely goal. Again.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 19, 2020, 02:43:51 PM
We look a good unit
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 02:47:46 PM
I really like the look of Philogene-Bidace (the 14), he's got a lovely fluid running style and low centre of balance. He needs to work on his end product but there's something there.

I also think all of the back 4 look decent, I remember seeing Dom Revan a few years back and thinking he looked solid but really awkward on the ball but he's much more cultured now.


Overall the way we press seems to have been adopted straight from the first team, which is fantastic to see.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on October 19, 2020, 03:00:56 PM
 There was a lot of good dribbling and attacking play but I thought the no8 stood out as having good positional disclipline, he knitted things together well and used the ball calmly.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 03:06:18 PM
There was a lot of good dribbling and attacking play but I thought the no8 stood out as having good positional disclipline, he knitted things together well and used the ball calmly.

That's Chukwuemeka who is incredibly highly rated, he's looked as good as that every time I've seen him (which is only 3-4 games to be fair). I thought the 6 alongside him (who I don't remember seeing before) looked good as well, between them they did a lot of the same work that Luiz and McGinn do for the firsts, just without the massive arse.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 19, 2020, 03:09:41 PM
Bazza’s goal to make it 2-1

https://twitter.com/avfcchats/status/1318184143910567936?s=21
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithe on October 19, 2020, 03:19:37 PM
Did anyone pay attention to the comments section, I know I shouldnt, there was a Coventry fan trying desperately to get some attention. On a Villa v Wolves u23 game thread. Mind boggles.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 04:00:44 PM
Did anyone pay attention to the comments section, I know I shouldnt, there was a Coventry fan trying desperately to get some attention. On a Villa v Wolves u23 game thread. Mind boggles.

first thing I did was hide that, there's nothing worse than the comments section of a live stream on youtube, it makes trumps twitter feed look intellectual.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 21, 2020, 10:53:51 PM
Carney Chukwuemeka has signed his first professional contract with Villa

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Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: stevo_st on October 21, 2020, 11:03:48 PM
Was he wearing the no.8 shirt in the recent u23 game against Wolves?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 21, 2020, 11:07:12 PM
Was he wearing the no.8 shirt in the recent u23 game against Wolves?

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1318830061496258561
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on October 22, 2020, 12:53:16 PM
The way he runs with the ball makes me think of Tony Daley.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on October 24, 2020, 10:13:00 PM
Just to top off a awful weekend the U18 lost their unbeaten record 3 0 to Fulham
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on October 25, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
You're going to learn more from a defeat, at any level.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: Mister E on October 25, 2020, 02:39:06 PM
You'd hope players, coaches and managers are going to learn more from a defeat, at any level.
Just fixed that for you, OCD  :D
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on October 25, 2020, 06:13:02 PM
Well, yes :)
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on November 07, 2020, 08:56:31 PM
Fair play to the U18 against Southampton this afternoon Went into stoppage losing 3 1 but managed to score twice in four minutes to end up 3-3
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 02:03:16 PM
The U23s are away at Burnley this afternoon with Heaton getting a game, just kicked off.


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Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 02:16:55 PM
leading 1-0 Philogene-Bidace with the goal.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: adrenachrome on November 09, 2020, 03:11:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1323232498961272832/SQSrgAKn_bigger.jpg)Aston Villa@AVFCOfficial·10m

Jaden Philogene-Bidace put us ahead with a superb lob before Burnley hit back on the stroke of half-time. #PL2 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/PL2?src=hashtag_click)
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 03:36:13 PM
2-1 now, Aaron Ramsey with our 2nd
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 03:56:13 PM
Finished 2-2 they got a very late equaliser which means they've scored near the end of each half.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on November 09, 2020, 05:50:21 PM
Ironic that Heaton makes a return against the same opposition that did him in.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 10, 2020, 01:23:19 AM
Rather harsh, as no Burnley player was involved in the incident where Tom got injured.

I can't say the same about Wesley!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on November 10, 2020, 11:21:17 AM
Yeah, fair point. I had forgotten how Heaton did his tbh. I remember the Wesley one.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: stevo_st on November 17, 2020, 10:26:21 PM
U21s got knocked out of the Papa John's Trophy tonight..... Dough!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on November 21, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
Great start to the weekend,U18 have just won at Chelsea to remain top of the league  The goal machine Brad Young got a couple  Well done you young lions
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 21, 2020, 02:35:26 PM
Seven goals for him now. One to keep an eye on?

And did we ever get any reason why the club Twitter pays no attention to these games?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 21, 2020, 02:42:49 PM
Oh and we've been drawn away to Reading in the Youth Cup. Given the small crowds these matches usually attract, is there a chance fans could be allowed to attend?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 21, 2020, 08:46:59 PM
I doubt it!
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on November 23, 2020, 09:20:19 PM
Good 2-0 win for the U23 at Stoke tonight Well taken goals from Philogene -Bidace and Barry were good enough to see off Stoke .Villa dominated most of the game after the Stoke Keeper received a red card and should have scored more but 2-0 will do nicely
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 24, 2020, 12:53:01 AM
I've heard a lot of good things about Jaden P-B. Has anyone seen him play?

He's only just seventeen, isn't he, but already in the U23s and doing well.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2020, 01:27:14 AM
Was Keinan there? He doesn't make the match day 18 at the moment
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: in exile on November 24, 2020, 10:43:46 AM
Good 2-0 win for the U23 at Stoke tonight Well taken goals from Philogene -Bidace and Barry were good enough to see off Stoke .Villa dominated most of the game after the Stoke Keeper received a red card and should have scored more but 2-0 will do nicely
Any idea if Heaton had much to do?
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: OCD on November 24, 2020, 11:08:34 AM
Was Keinan there? He doesn't make the match day 18 at the moment

I assume he's injured otherwise I would expect him to be on the bench. They've purposely packed the U23's with mostly 18 year-olds though.
Title: Re: Reserves and Academy 2020-21
Post by: pooligan on November 24, 2020, 04:12:56 PM
Heaton did not have much to do  ,in fact i can only remember him having  to make a couple of tame efforts throughout the whole match .The sending off of the Stoke  keeper after  around ten minutes ensured Villa had most of the ball and should really have had more goals
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