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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: AsTallAsLions on June 24, 2020, 11:57:02 AM
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In the Championship we were very vocal about looking for leaders when dipping into the transfer market, players who could stand up and be counted and would take their teammates with them. Let's be fair to old Potatohead and say he got it right with Terry, Snodgrass and Whelan, even if the latter was inconsistent. All 3 were clearly big personalities and had an impact and knew how to boost morale when required.
Of the three, Dean inherited only the least consistent (Whelan) on his playing staff, but was able to make use of Terry's legacy connection as a leader and motivator for some of the remaining lot. They then made a very astute move to bring Mingsy in on loan and we know he's generally been a success for us.
When Dean came in, he spoke of maintaining a rotating captaincy system, the likes of which he had used previously at Walsall and Brentford. He wanted to keep things fresh and let all the personalities of the dressing room have a chance at coming to the fore and taking on responsibility. I remember hearing that and thinking what a great idea it was, particularly in a squad with no Terry-esque figure who automatically screams 'captain'.
Instead, he slapped it on Jack and never looked back.
That Jack is our greatest homegrown talent in decades is clear, as is his outstanding natural ability and unquestionable love for the club. However, making him captain (and worse still, letting him remain captain) was potentially Smith's biggest mistake to date IMO. He's a lot of things, most of them great, but he is no leader, and we should have dispensed with that illusion a long time ago and let him do what he does, with someone else marshalling the team out on the pitch (Mings perhaps, or the rotating system that DS originally intended to implement).
On to next season, assuming that Jack will no longer be playing for us, who would you give it to? Mings? Rotate it? Hope we sign the next Terry and slap it on him straight from the off?
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Grealish, Mings, McGinn in that order, depending on who stays. If none of them do, maybe a new signing.
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Grealish, Mings, McGinn in that order, depending on who stays. If none of them do, maybe a new signing.
Yep.
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I don’t think we have anyone who I think is proper captaincy material from the present lot. Sure, Jack inspires by playing, as Gareth Barry did. Tyrone Mings can lead and organise but he is too inconsistent with his performances. John McGinn? Not for me, not just yet.
I agree that we need more experience and if we drop to the championship probably need to sign a captain. If we stay up I probably still be looking for a new leader, or two!
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Let's be fair to old Potatohead and say he got it right with Terry, Snodgrass and Whelan, even if the latter was inconsistent. All 3 were clearly big personalities and had an impact and knew how to boost morale when required.
He inherited Jedinak as well, who I always rated as a leader of men, even if his technique was limited.
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Definitely not Tyrone for me.
We need an old Kevin Richardson / Andy Townsend type.
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Definitely not Tyrone for me.
We need an old Kevin Richardson / Andy Townsend type.
Someone who get's stuck in and leads by example? Richardson was pretty quiet, Townsend a little more vocal/
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I always remember the rest of the squad saying how good Rico was. Easy to miss as a fan watching the players with better ability, but he was a massive part of that team, definitely a captain for me and yes, led by example.
Mind you, his penalties left a bit to be desired!
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Is it important who the captain is?
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That Jack is our greatest homegrown talent in decades is clear, as is his outstanding natural ability and unquestionable love for the club. However, making him captain (and worse still, letting him remain captain) was potentially Smith's biggest mistake to date IMO.
Wow, I really can't disagree with that more - he made him captain and it co-incided with triggering an unprecedented run of victories that catapulted us back to the big league. I'd call it inspired!
Yes our captain has faltered, but for me it's because he has the weight of the whole team on his shoulders and he can see his dream of keeping us up/achieving anything at Villa ebbing away.
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Is it important who the captain is?
Nah, is it bollocks.
*You are contractually obliged to agree with this
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Is it important who the captain is?
Don't think it made much difference with The Titanic.
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Is it important who the captain is?
Nah, is it bollocks.
*You are contractually obliged to agree with this
Agreed.
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Is it important who the captain is?
Of course it does. John Terry set a high bar at Chelsea and along with his managers (and sometimes in spite of them) demanded a certain level of performance of his teammates, he did similar when he came here and took over as captain. We were a much more organised side with him as captain versus Chester (as much I like him) the previous season.
A great leader as captain can be the difference between a stirring team performance and a drab one, particularly when the chips are down.
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Is it important who the captain is?
Of course it does. John Terry set a high bar at Chelsea and along with his managers (and sometimes in spite of them) demanded a certain level of performance of his teammates, he did similar when he came here and took over as captain. We were a much more organised side with him as captain versus Chester (as much I like him) the previous season.
A great leader as captain can be the difference between a stirring team performance and a drab one, particularly when the chips are down.
I think you're getting carried away.
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Mings is (or at least was) more of an on-field motivational leader than Grealish.
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Unfortunately our current captain is just going through the motions and showing absolutely nothing to stir the other players along.
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I think the twenty-seven trillion pounds Chelsea spent on purchasing an oligarchic assortment of the world's best players might have had more to do with their success than the mystic, and unique, ability of their arbitrary armband wearer to shout "keep workin', lads!" at crucial moments. But then I never played the game professionally, so I'm probably talking shite.
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I think the twenty-seven trillion pounds Chelsea spent on purchasing an oligarchic assortment of the world's best players might have had more to do with their success than the mystic, and unique, ability of their arbitrary armband wearer to shout "keep workin', lads!" at crucial moments. But then I never played the game professionally, so I'm probably talking shite.
I think you're underestimating the inspirational value of him dressing up like them and stealing their trophy.
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From early September 2019: https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=60112
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I think the twenty-seven trillion pounds Chelsea spent on purchasing an oligarchic assortment of the world's best players might have had more to do with their success than the mystic, and unique, ability of their arbitrary armband wearer to shout "keep workin', lads!" at crucial moments. But then I never played the game professionally, so I'm probably talking shite.
I think you're underestimating the inspirational value of him dressing up like them and stealing their trophy.
Must be something about being an inspirational England captain and nicking things. Did Bobby Moore ever give that bracelet back?
(Allegedly)
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I think the twenty-seven trillion pounds Chelsea spent on purchasing an oligarchic assortment of the world's best players might have had more to do with their success than the mystic, and unique, ability of their arbitrary armband wearer to shout "keep workin', lads!" at crucial moments. But then I never played the game professionally, so I'm probably talking shite.
I think you're underestimating the inspirational value of him dressing up like them and stealing their trophy.
Must be something about being an inspirational England captain and nicking things. Did Bobby Moore ever give that bracelet back?
(Allegedly)
There's a good Danny Baker (I think) storu about his dad standing very close to the pitch when Bobby Moore was playing and constantly berating him with stuff about that. "Why did you do it , Moore? You're guilty as hell" etc. I obviously haven't done it justice but it's funny.
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That's alright, mate. I'm imagining someone telling the story better than you did so it's still funny.
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That's alright, mate. I'm imagining someone telling the story better than you did so it's still funny.
I agree with LeeB.
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Is it important who the captain is?
Of course it does. John Terry set a high bar at Chelsea and along with his managers (and sometimes in spite of them) demanded a certain level of performance of his teammates, he did similar when he came here and took over as captain. We were a much more organised side with him as captain versus Chester (as much I like him) the previous season.
A great leader as captain can be the difference between a stirring team performance and a drab one, particularly when the chips are down.
I think you're getting carried away.
In what way is that getting carried away?
You asked a question and I answered it.
You evidently don't agree, but your pithy rejoinders haven't really shed any light on why, either.
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Unfortunately our current captain is just going through the motions and showing absolutely nothing to stir the other players along.
Indeed