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Title: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2020, 03:32:24 PM
I have no idea what to expect. Well cynically other than the same team will start or that we will try to pinch a win or point versus playing to win. But I don't know what performance we will come up with, who we can rely on or that the manager really believes in this. That's the bit that is most worrying. Games are running out and the bottom 6 has really become a bottom 4 or 5. We have to put pressure on others by winning our own games and not have to concern ourselves with anyone else. Mathematically we are not out of it of course, but we have to reveal that mentally. What I really don't want post game is to be in the same position yet again, and having been beaten by a Steve Bruce team with significantly more possession than a Dean Smith one. What a bizarre turn of events that would be.

Optimistically...I'll go 2-0 to us. Optimistically that Smith will change the line up, play to win. Goals from Jack and Ally.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Richard E on June 22, 2020, 03:38:27 PM
2-0 Newcastle.

Tight game then we commit defensive hari-kiri. Never look like equalising and concede a match killing second in the last few minutes.   
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Fred Crump on June 22, 2020, 03:49:13 PM
2-0 Newcastle.

Tight game then we commit defensive hari-kiri. Never look like equalising and concede a match killing second in the last few minutes.
God, you lawyers are so negative....
Totally agree.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: CT on June 22, 2020, 03:50:08 PM
I’d beg Dean to change things up. Two up front with Jack at the top of a midfield diamond.

Unfortunately, I’ve fallen into a very defeatist mode after yesterday, so I’m expecting one up top, possession given to Newcastle and Jack and AEG playing as full backs.

We'll lose and hear more of it not being a “game that defines our season”. Bloody Lambert started this, dumbing down our expectations and celebrating a home draw with the likes of Blackburn like we should be eternally grateful.

Unless we start looking like we’re ready to fight, it’s 2-0 them.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 22, 2020, 03:50:35 PM
I predicted a blades draw and a Chelsea win, I have gone for a Newcastle win.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: chrisw1 on June 22, 2020, 03:51:43 PM
Two teams trying to give the ball to the other side and attack on the counter.  Newcastle just edge it by being a bit less shit, having some decent pace and a back 5 that doesn't self distruct.

Bruce ends up trying not to sound as smug as he feels.  Pundits all over the place scramble to fawn over the Geordie saviour, saying what a great job he's doing at Toon and how Villa fans treated him harshly.  Folow up by saying how Villa have done a Fulham.

We all puke. 
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Fred Crump on June 22, 2020, 03:51:51 PM
The depressing thing is , I think we will lose without ever really putting up much of a fight.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2020, 04:11:56 PM
2-0 Newcastle.

Tight game then we commit defensive hari-kiri. Never look like equalising and concede a match killing second in the last few minutes.   

I've seen this film before.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: CT on June 22, 2020, 04:31:27 PM
Referee: Chris Kavanagh
VAR: Peter Bankes.

Villa to win 2-0 by penalty and free kick.

McGinn and Davis to score !

I’ll drink to that!
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 22, 2020, 04:32:47 PM
I just can't see beyond a Newcastle win I'm afraid.  They'll be full of confidence, we have none.  They're coming off the back of a win, we haven't won for ages.  We have the worst defence in the league and are struggling to put chances away.  None of our players - bar Luiz - looks to be in any sort of form and we have a manager who is struggling badly too.  We're not the sort of club who routinely pull off shock wins and I can't see it happening on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2020, 04:40:35 PM
I think we'll win. I'm not sure how but I can see us doing them.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Nev on June 22, 2020, 04:43:32 PM
I can't shake the feeling that I've had since the restart and was a huge part of my opposition to it. We are going to go down meekly. We did last time but at least it was finished relatively early and quickly.

If the league were voided and we were relegated at least we wouldn't have to watch it all unfold before our eyes, having to endure painful displays such as the one we saw yesterday is just awful.

Come on lads, Dean, John (we've scored mate, yeah not bothered, it's against my favourite team) Terry, and every other fucker, banish my fear, shove my negativity down my throat and give it a fuckin' go for Christ's sake.

3-0 win.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 22, 2020, 04:51:50 PM
My only hope is that Bruce, when he was here, invariably followed up a great result with a terrible one against a team we should've mullered. That's all I've got left.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: colin69 on June 22, 2020, 05:01:18 PM
I have no idea why but I fancy us to win 1-0.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 22, 2020, 05:02:15 PM
Proper thumping - 0-4 to the Geordies
Thank ***K there will not be 50K baying at our "relegation" and " Sob on the Tame" bed sheet banners hung up behind the goal.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 22, 2020, 05:04:00 PM
2-1 win because we have to
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 22, 2020, 05:07:15 PM
2-1 win because we have to
We always do so well in our "must win games" ……… struggle to keep clean sheets and cant score... what on earth could go wrong? :)
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 22, 2020, 05:10:45 PM
2-1 win because we have to
We always do so well in our "must win games" ……… struggle to keep clean sheets and cant score... what on earth could go wrong? :)

Ha, ha you have burst my balloon
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: dicedlam on June 22, 2020, 05:11:00 PM
Referee: Chris Kavanagh
VAR: Peter Bankes.

Villa to win 2-0 by penalty and free kick.

McGinn and Davis to score !

I don't see Davis taking either a penalty or a free-kick I'm afraid VIA, so sorry, I can't buy into you match prediction.

2-0 to the jawdies.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Nii Lamptey on June 22, 2020, 05:12:15 PM
Brucey 2-0 Deano

Tactically outfought, with Brucey setting traps all over St James' Park.
The fast headband-clad fella on the wing with one of the goals, and Newcastle's version of our very own misfiring Brazilian with the other.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 22, 2020, 05:21:59 PM
2-1 win because we have to
We always do so well in our "must win games" ……… struggle to keep clean sheets and cant score... what on earth could go wrong? :)

Ha, ha you have burst my balloon
Sorry buddy... but decades of supporting this once proud institution has made me extremely cynical - knowing the Villa they will beat Liverpool and then lose to Palace :(
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 22, 2020, 05:23:18 PM
I think we'll win. I'm not sure how but I can see us doing them.

Same here! Could be a good thing or just prolonging the agony.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 22, 2020, 05:27:07 PM
Sadly don't think we have a chance.

They were by far the better side against Sheffield yesterday for the whole game, even before Egan was sent off.

Can't stand the Geordies but they've grown a lot as a team since we beat them. Saint-Maximin is some player.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2020, 05:27:28 PM
The only feasible option we can have now, because Smith has absolutely no tactical acumen, is to go to a long standed, tried and trusted, default setting, 4-4-fucking-2 formation. Two banks of four. Play 2 from Grealish, Samatta and Davis up top with one floating to make it a 1-1 up top. If you play Davis and Samatta, then Grealish plays left mid. His heads gone a little and he seems to have absolutely no trust in his teammates (when you see him coming all the way back to the defence to pick the ball up, it says it all about what he thinks of his sides ability to pass the ball through to him in the final third).

We're gonna lose against Newcastle, because their manager will win the tactical battle. And there-in lies our problem. Then we go into a horrid run of fixtures.

Drop McGinn. He needs a game off. We're in danger of pushing him too much and losing him for the remainder. Week off for McGinn. Marvelous and Douglas in CM. If there is a decent kid in reserves somewhere playing right mid, I'd play them because it's morbidly depressing having to watch El Ghazi and Trezequet. Or give the spot to Vassilev. There's no way he can do worse than those two.


Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 22, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
I agree supertom, I would play Grealish off the striker and Go 4 4 2
Not sure who the 4 midfield players would be.
I bet it will be 4 3 3 again though.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2020, 06:02:31 PM
1-1
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Clampy on June 22, 2020, 06:44:31 PM
When I was looking at the fixtures just before it all started back up, I thought this might be the one of the games where we pick up three points. Just a sneaky feeling more than anything.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2020, 06:56:41 PM
We’re going to have to be a hell of a lot better than we were yesterday.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2020, 07:16:24 PM
There’s a simple, if obvious point. Jack Grealish is our best player and we need to give him as much of the ball as possible, and have him as involved as possible. That means he needs to play centrally. Smith has to change this.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2020, 07:25:08 PM
I reckon we'll start well, miss some good opportunities, and then go on to lose 2-0.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2020, 07:27:35 PM
We absolutely cannot put the same side out and play in the same way. We have to play with much more courage.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: andyh on June 22, 2020, 07:34:05 PM
Samatta for Davis at 57 mins.
Trezeguet for El Ghazi 57 mins
Nakamba for Hourihane or McGinn after 74 mins.

The last one depends on how ‘far out reckless’ Smith is feeling.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: john e on June 22, 2020, 07:34:53 PM
Smith gets bested by managers who know how to change a game and are just generally more tactically aware

we have a good chance on Wednesday because we know Newcastle haven’t got one of those
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: brontebilly on June 22, 2020, 07:47:58 PM
We hammered these earlier in the season at Villa Park. From what I recall Bruce's tactics played a part leaving Shelvey and Hayden up against our trio and Grealish had a field day, coming in off left I think?

Hard to be in anyway confident after the abject performance v Chelsea but Newcastle have little enough to be playing for at this stage of the season. First goal key. I've no idea if Ramsey is any way up to this level but McGinn and Hourihane simply have to be dropped. Alternatives Drinky and Lansbury don't exactly inspire confidence either. Grealish free role, let him drift where he likes.

--------------------Nyland
Guilbert, Engels, Mings, Targett
---------Luiz, Nakamba, Ramsey
-------------------Grealish
-------------Davis, Samatta
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: levico on June 22, 2020, 07:52:30 PM
Could be very similar to Newcastle’s game with Sheffield Utd. At least result-wise.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Legion on June 22, 2020, 08:02:08 PM
2-0.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 22, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Grealish has to play in the middle, and he has to be higher up the pitch. For better or for worse he needs to trust his teammates, he can't do much damage when he's 90 yards from the opposition goal.

It's all getting a bit late now for a drastic tactical rethink, but fuck it, play him as a false nine. We huff and we puff for ninety minutes to give a recognisable centre-forward maybe two sniffs of goal on a good day as it is, might as well give him a go at trying to force opposition defences into doing things that make them uncomfortable. You never know, we might actually see McGinn and Luiz, Hourihane too, rattling a few in regularly.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: TonyD on June 22, 2020, 08:29:28 PM
This is a winnable game.  No excuses.   Two up front and Jack in the middle.  And go for the juggler from the off.

Not that this will happen.   
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Legion on June 22, 2020, 08:32:54 PM
And go for the juggler from the off.


Pitch-side entertainment aswell? They certainly know how to put on a show behind closed doors up north.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: usav on June 22, 2020, 08:35:44 PM
And go for the juggler from the off.


Pitch-side entertainment aswell? They certainly know how to put on a show behind closed doors up north.

There's a circus in the town, in the town.........
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Louzie0 on June 22, 2020, 08:37:01 PM
Smith gets bested by managers who know how to change a game and are just generally more tactically aware

we have a good chance on Wednesday because we know Newcastle haven’t got one of those

Remembering the post match comments from a couple of years ago, I think you’re on to something, there.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: darren woolley on June 22, 2020, 09:00:44 PM
We really need a win but I reckon we will get a point 1-1.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 22, 2020, 10:02:13 PM
Hoping this is where Smith proves me wrong. He has a good record against Bruce, and we are due some luck.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: andyh on June 22, 2020, 10:11:10 PM
Hoping this is where Smith proves me wrong. He has a good record against Bruce, and we are due some luck.
I think we had our luck against sheff U.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 22, 2020, 10:28:24 PM
Running a football team must be very difficult. We seem to have over tasked an awful lot of managers over the last 10 years. Surely he can see that 433 is not working but Davis looks like he could be a very useful foil for a finisher up top.

Anyway, I think he'll start the same 11.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2020, 10:43:14 PM
I think Dean will make a couple of changes to the starting 11.  Samatta to start instead of Davis.  I also think he will rest SJM as three games in a week might be too much for him.   Not that I agree with the latter.  Same old 433, although I would like to see two up top. I'll take a draw, hope for a win.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Legion on June 22, 2020, 10:46:58 PM
I think Dean has completely lost the plot and I am (was?)  a big fan of him.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2020, 11:27:41 PM
Must win. These aren't Chelsea. No standing off admiring them for ninety minutes. Fucking go for it or fucking go down.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Axl Rose on June 22, 2020, 11:42:03 PM
Same team, same tactics. Newcastle will be too good for us.

Villa to win 3-2 :)
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: David_Nab on June 22, 2020, 11:52:45 PM
Totally different game to Chelsea , they will sit back and try and hit on the break.Keeping Saint-Maximin quiet will be tough and is a headache in team selection.Risk a perhaps not fit Guilbert or go Konsa ( lose attacking threat ) or Elmo ( no pace )

If we go behind in this game we will struggle , they have 10th best defence in league and will happily sit back on a lead and counter.

We need to make changes either formation / personnel or both.We need to try and catch them out like we did with Burnley when we went to 3-5-2.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: ROBBO on June 23, 2020, 12:05:08 AM
After watching Newcastle destroy Sheff Utd not sure what optimistic drug some posters are on.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2020, 12:27:29 AM
I think Dean has completely lost the plot and I am (was?)  a big fan of him.

His interview on Villa TV was just nonsensical drivel. Man up FFS and go down fighting if that’s what ends up happening. What we are seeing right now is white flag waving bollocks.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2020, 12:28:28 AM
After watching Newcastle destroy Sheff Utd not sure what optimistic drug some posters are on.

That’s a bit generous Robbo. It was a pretty dull even game up until their red card. Sheff Utd fell apart very quickly after that.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: ROBBO on June 23, 2020, 04:40:42 AM
I'm just that kind of guy.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Richard on June 23, 2020, 05:11:41 AM
Smith needs to wake the fuck up as we are sleepwalking our way to relegation.

I actually think the back 5 have done ok these 2 games back its the formation in front of them that's wrong.

Needs to be a 5 in midfield behind Davis or Samatta, something like:

El Ghazi - left

Marv
Jack - just behind striker
Doug

McGinn or Conor - right

No more of this 433 shit with Jack playing as an extra bloody full back !
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 23, 2020, 07:46:27 AM
Must win. These aren't Chelsea. No standing off admiring them for ninety minutes. Fucking go for it or fucking go down.

This.

‘Must win game’ is an over used term. But if we don’t win on Wednesday we are relegated, I believe. It’s as simple as that. If anyone can look at our fixtures and argue otherwise then I’m all ears.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Proposition Joe on June 23, 2020, 07:51:14 AM
Hoping this is where Smith proves me wrong. He has a good record against Bruce, and we are due some luck.

I don't agree we need some luck, I think the mess we're in is of our own making.

I think I would go for something like:

---‐--------------- Nyland --------------------
------ Konsa - Mings - Hause --------
Elmo* -- Luiz -- Nakamba -- Targett
------------------- Jack ----‐-------------------
-------- Davis -------------- Samatta -----

* = Guilbert if fit
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: mattjpa on June 23, 2020, 08:00:55 AM
There is a glaringly obvious flaw in our current plan: We are asking our wide men to tuck in and cover. When we do win the ball back we then try and go immediately long to Davis who wins a good percentage of the ball and retains possession with absolutely nobody within 40yards of him. He then swaps out Samatta and Davis and we ask AS to play a way that obviously isn't his strength. Its fucking stupid. If this is what he wants to do, he needs to find a way of them playing together. Wide men are currently a waste of fucking time. Its annoying me that he either cant see this or is hoping its going to miraculously work somehow.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Rigadon on June 23, 2020, 09:27:21 AM
We really do need to win this, but I can’t see it happening. 
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: mallo on June 23, 2020, 09:39:18 AM
We're not going to draw our way 0-0 to safety so we have to go suicide squad and pose a real goal threat so we push teams back. Attack. We normally enjoy more possession against Bruce so we have a chance - it is only that though. Oh for an early Davis goal.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: manic-road on June 23, 2020, 10:03:51 AM
0-2 Away win, on paper this could be one of our easiest games left so if we can't get 3 points against a boring Bruce side we are doomed.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Drummond on June 23, 2020, 10:44:25 AM
McGinn looked slow to me, which isn't a surprise really but we're running out of time to get him fit. Drinkwater was the same when he came in. We need players all over the pitch who are fit and capable.

I'd rest McGinn and play Luiz and Nakamba together.

            Nyland

Elmo Konsa Mings Targett

     Luiz Nakamba

AEG                   Grealish

     Samatta Davis

But then I'm not a manager and there isn't a chance in hell of that happening.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Luke8 on June 23, 2020, 11:49:00 AM
McGinn looked slow to me, which isn't a surprise really but we're running out of time to get him fit. Drinkwater was the same when he came in. We need players all over the pitch who are fit and capable.

I'd rest McGinn and play Luiz and Nakamba together.

            Nyland

Elmo Konsa Mings Targett

     Luiz Nakamba

AEG                   Grealish

     Samatta Davis

But then I'm not a manager and there isn't a chance in hell of that happening.


Dean must be banking on just playing McGinn into fitness. There can’t have been any other way he was still on the pitch well into the second half on Sunday surely?

Also, and I appreciate plenty didn’t look great on Sunday, but Nakamba has been hopeless on the ball in both of his appearances since the restart so far. Benefit of hindsight obviously, but Sunday was the game for him. We’ll be better with Hourihane against Newcastle - plus his set pieces have provided the majority of our decent chances so far.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: chrisw1 on June 23, 2020, 12:01:54 PM
I think we have to play McGinn into fitness as it seems him hitting form is our only realistic chance of survival.  It may be resting him Wednesay is best all round if that suits his revovery, but if the fitness coaches think he'd be better with more minutes under his belt then he should be given them.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Drummond on June 23, 2020, 12:06:38 PM
I'd rest him, see how the game goes and bring him on if needed.

We can't afford passengers and he's done nothing of note (not that anyone else has really).
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: AVH87 on June 23, 2020, 12:20:32 PM
I fancy us to win this 2-1. They are safe, there is no home advantage. If we play 4-3-3 like our lives depend on getting a result with Jack No.10 we will do this.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2020, 12:45:45 PM
I think Bruce would want to win this more than the FA cup game TBH

Elmo in for Konsa - he might tighten up the back line but we have no attacking option down the right with him there. Samatta obviously can head a ball so we need some one to put whipping crosses in  - Elmo is probably the best at the club at this.

Mings - stop fucking about and posing with the ball - you will fuck up and it will cost us a goal. Remember the form that got you mentioned in England circles and start playing again.

Hologram - complete waste of space unless he scores - he is hardly getting over the half way line at present so he is pointless

McGinn - has been anon so far

Grealish - stop worrying about your stupid haircut and get back to playing - you are the Captain so lead by example - you have been anon as well  - at least McGinn has an excuse with his injury.

ElGhazi - if not scoring another who hides

I cannot believe that we have not even earned a booking in 2 games - get stuck in you feckers - our club deserves better effort than what you are serving up.

Smith - I love the bloke, I feel for him but time has ran out for excuses. Play 2 up top or at the very least get players running past the holding striker.

I don't expect to be gung ho and lose every game 4-5 but FFS have some courage and use the players to the best of their ability

All the good press and work you have done will count for fuck all if you name is next to our relegation
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 23, 2020, 01:09:07 PM
I have been advocating Grealish in middle and getting the ball.

However there are people suggesting his head isn't in it and I will add that I see him as more unfit that anything else .
If we are saying let's not be over reliant on him as he's underperforming then leave him out 1st half and see the others step up their responsibility.
That sort of move , maybe some see as maverick , would give us the boost if needed for him to come on start of 2nd half and also fool Newcastle not starting him.

That's never gonna happen as Smith sticks with him but taking 2 up top instead of Grealish could be a sort of decision that changes everything in a games where there is such short space of time to recover

We risk him being injured so resting him first half let him build up his hunger then throw him in second half whatever the score line. It also tells him he's got to step up

Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 23, 2020, 01:18:35 PM
There'sno chance of it happening, but I think there's something in that, footy.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: cdward on June 23, 2020, 01:41:50 PM

I cannot believe that we have not even earned a booking in 2 games - get stuck in you feckers - our club deserves better effort than what you are serving up.


Not that it is a measure of effort, but we have picked up 3 bookings in those 2 games. Grealish and Konsa were booked against Chelsea, Luiz was booked against Sheff Utd.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Nastylee on June 23, 2020, 01:44:16 PM
Last chance saloon for me. With another 10 to 12 points needed, a loss here means we would need to do the near impossible.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: ez on June 23, 2020, 02:09:24 PM
An improved performance will get us a 0-0.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Legion on June 23, 2020, 02:29:12 PM
Win or bust.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Stu on June 23, 2020, 02:32:53 PM
We have never done very well up there, I think. Then again, we haven't done well anywhere for ages.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 23, 2020, 04:41:58 PM
Who is taking care os St Maximin? Playing Elmo would be an open invitation although I think he will enjoy running at Target.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2020, 05:13:39 PM
We have never done very well up there, I think. Then again, we haven't done well anywhere for ages.

We don't generally do well up there, but occasionally we get a unlikely win when we're not that good, which is the hope I'm clinging too.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: john e on June 23, 2020, 05:50:37 PM
I think we can win

not because I have any faith in Smith left but because -

1 - Newcastle have nothing to play for
2 - their manager is even less tactical aware than ours
3 - we won’t turn into sponge puddings because Newcastle arn’t a considered a top 6 side
4 - we really really need to win and the players know it’s a big opportunity
5 - Although higher in the league they are not much than us and will play predictable football
6 - Grealish & Mcginn are due to come good
7 - it’s probably our best chance of 3 points out of all our remaining games

if all the above fails then we’re fucked

Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 23, 2020, 08:23:16 PM
There is a glaringly obvious flaw in our current plan: We are asking our wide men to tuck in and cover. When we do win the ball back we then try and go immediately long to Davis who wins a good percentage of the ball and retains possession with absolutely nobody within 40yards of him. He then swaps out Samatta and Davis and we ask AS to play a way that obviously isn't his strength. Its fucking stupid. If this is what he wants to do, he needs to find a way of them playing together. Wide men are currently a waste of fucking time. Its annoying me that he either cant see this or is hoping its going to miraculously work somehow.

Exactly this. If it’s the starting 11 and formation tomorrow, I hold my head in my hands.
Talking to a mate tonight who is a manager at non league level, he reckons the fact that we’re only a point behind West Ham and Bournemouth, is affecting Smiths tactics and making him overly cautious, as he thinks the odd draw will be ok. There could be something in this in regards to his mindset, this is where you’d hope his coaches come into play and tell him to get a grip, get in the oppositions faces and play two up top ffs
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2020, 10:31:02 PM
Interesting. It's not Tim Flowers, lately of Solihull Moors, is it ?
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Gareth on June 23, 2020, 10:33:47 PM
My team would be;
                  Nyland
Guilbert Mings Hause Targett
    Luiz Drinkwater Nakamba
                  McGinn
                       Grealish
                  Davis

Reina
Konsa
Elmo
Hourihane
Jota
Lansbury
El Ghazi
Samatta
Barry

I’d play Drinkwater on the basis that this fake football that they are playing with no crowds has so little pace that he won’t get over run & Douglas aside our midfield on Sunday were a disgrace - if we had more options I would also have dropped McGinn to bench to give him a rest & the opportunity to come on with 25-30 minutes to go rather than trying to pace himself from kick off.

I can see the calls for two up top but do we have enough in midfield to make that a possibility?
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: john e on June 23, 2020, 10:37:03 PM
My team would be;
                  Nyland
Guilbert Mings Hause Targett
    Luiz Drinkwater Nakamba
                  McGinn
                       Grealish
                  Davis

Reina
Konsa
Elmo
Hourihane
Jota
Lansbury
El Ghazi
Samatta
Barry

I’d play Drinkwater on the basis that this fake football that they are playing with no crowds has so little pace that he won’t get over run & Douglas aside our midfield on Sunday were a disgrace - if we had more options I would also have dropped McGinn to bench to give him a rest & the opportunity to come on with 25-30 minutes to go rather than trying to pace himself from kick off.

I can see the calls for two up top but do we have enough in midfield to make that a possibility?


things are looking grim
but they are even worse than I thought if that’s possible if we are relying on Drinkwater in any way for our premier league survival
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Legion on June 23, 2020, 10:38:55 PM
Drinkwater? No.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Legion on June 23, 2020, 10:39:30 PM
Tomorrow is massive.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 23, 2020, 10:42:38 PM
Tomorrow is massive.

Wicked wicked Jungle is massive.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2020, 10:42:44 PM
Tomorrow is massive.

Agreed, a repeat of Sunderland away (March 2015) would be nice. Go on Villa, give us a pleasant surprise for once.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Gareth on June 23, 2020, 10:44:18 PM
I’d say Hourihane has had more 3/10 performances than Drinkwater this season including Sunday - there comes a time where he can’t be on the pitch on the off chance we get a free kick as he contributes so little in open play. 
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Legion on June 23, 2020, 10:44:30 PM
Away at Norwich this season. That Sunderland game never happened.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Gareth on June 23, 2020, 10:54:02 PM
Away at Norwich this season. That Sunderland game never happened.

8 x Norwich always would be lovely.

It did happen....it did!!! :-)
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Legion on June 23, 2020, 10:55:32 PM
Not for me it didn't. The wounds run deep.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2020, 10:59:17 PM
Not for me it didn't. The wounds run deep.

I thought it was the 6-1 win at home that you missed.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Legion on June 23, 2020, 11:04:26 PM
Ah. Yes. It was.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Legion on June 23, 2020, 11:04:41 PM
I'll shut up.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Villan82 on June 23, 2020, 11:08:36 PM
Win. By hook or by crook. Win. Please win villa.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
I think we'll play exceptionally well and get a point. Dean will be delighted. Too little too late. Everybody off to the Mailbox for a bit of shopping. PL wages. Good life.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on June 24, 2020, 12:08:58 AM
We need to win this or on Saturday, or I think we can forget staying up. But listening to the West Ham fans on Talk Sport, they sound as though they have the same problems as us, no direction and lots of money spent on poor signings. And many thought that Villa played well against Chelsea and that their team is going down.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 24, 2020, 07:00:59 AM
Interesting. It's not Tim Flowers, lately of Solihull Moors, is it ?

No not Tim Flowers, a couple of Dvision below the Moors. He’s a sound bloke and been managing at that level for years, Hednesdford and places like that (not there now and Not Richard Sneekes), though is a baggies fan so taking a degree of enjoyment of our plight. I think it is a good point about the potential mindset of Smith though.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 24, 2020, 08:03:13 AM
So what is it to be ?

A. JT on his mobile in the Boardroom.
B. Drinky on the piss in the players lounge
C. 4 3 3 with Jack on the wing.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: brian green on June 24, 2020, 08:49:52 AM
I cannot wait to see some sign on the pitch, home or away, that the winds of change are starting to blow at AVFC.  There must be an end to the better be careful ingrained inferiority performances.  If we are going to go down, let's not go with a whimper.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2020, 09:27:52 AM
We need to win this or on Saturday, or I think we can forget staying up. But listening to the West Ham fans on Talk Sport, they sound as though they have the same problems as us, no direction and lots of money spent on poor signings. And many thought that Villa played well against Chelsea and that their team is going down.
Those are words of people who read / heard we went one up and put in a battling defensive display.  Not people who actually watched the game and saw how utterly bereft of ideas we truly were.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 24, 2020, 09:36:28 AM
I highlighted in Matt Targett thread just how tragic we are on the left side of the pitch defensively.
But also how that's our strongest area attacking wise.

What's interesting are that Villa concede the most crosses from the left side -404 - in the league but it's Newcastle that have conceded the most crosses on their right side

So we can expect a lot of attacking/defensive action to be taking place down this side of the pitch

For villa the imbalance with the amount of crosses coming in on the villa left is concerning and the Chelsea match was a clear illustration of problems we have had ALL season .
I said something will be done Vs Newacstle because Smith and Villa  can't allow that to continue

The system is far too open on that side and continuosly give up chances to the right sided attack of opposition.

I can only take Nakamba may be brought in.
Grealish and El Ghazi have both had responsibilities left hand side and both haven't done their duties .
Grealish for all his good work in the attacking third has not excelled at all in his last 2 matches and has lacked in contributing to the defensive side of things on the left.

I think he hasn't come back as fit as he could have and is really hoping to get by through ability . That is a question of how professional he's being.
And thus begs questions how best Villa fit him in the team

Regarding player discpline and defensive duties of attacking players EL Ghazi similarly throughout his time and Trezeguet to lesser extent have had issue in covering , tracking back and getting tackles in

It was a reason why Bruces showman Bolaise was not favoured in Smith's system .

Albert Adomah as limited as he was always tracked back and always did his best to cover
Grealish has done this plenty of times himself and has improved a lot on that side of the game.

I'm now wondering when Smith talks about development of players he's developing them to his system and sees that as becoming better footballers.
There's an argument to be had to leave Grealish in attacking and middle situation leaving others to defend.
At times Grealish has done that anyway.
So maybe just afford him that rather than have him in a free role drifting off the left and having to come back and cover.

We all know with the ball is where he's best.
The compromise is to play him in midfield.
But let's hope toady the battle on the Newacstle right =Villa left is won by Smith !
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 24, 2020, 09:40:59 AM
Guilbert and Targett are better than our ‘wingers’ that we have
Therefore they should be the ones we look for width from.

    352
   
                Nyland 
       Konsa Hause Mings
Guilbert Luiz McGinn Jack Targett
           Samatta Davis
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 24, 2020, 10:00:08 AM
The 2 slowest teams with poor defences are bottom 2 in the table. We are so lacking in pace it will be a big ask to stay up.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: colin69 on June 24, 2020, 11:02:06 AM
Guilbert and Targett are better than our ‘wingers’ that we have
Therefore they should be the ones we look for width from.

    352
   
                Nyland 
       Konsa Hause Mings
Guilbert Luiz McGinn Jack Targett
           Samatta Davis

Yes I’d be happy with that line up, and if Guilbert isn’t fit then Elmo. Surely we must try 2 up front because his preferred system is pants, but I’ll be very surprised if he does.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 24, 2020, 11:29:45 AM
Guilbert and Targett are better than our ‘wingers’ that we have
Therefore they should be the ones we look for width from.

    352
   
                Nyland 
       Konsa Hause Mings
Guilbert Luiz McGinn Jack Targett
           Samatta Davis

Yes I’d be happy with that line up, and if Guilbert isn’t fit then Elmo. Surely we must try 2 up front because his preferred system is pants, but I’ll be very surprised if he does.
So they play one up front and push full backs on to our wide players.
Even Bruce can work this out.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 24, 2020, 12:06:47 PM
Two up front has gone right out of fashion hasn't it. I wouldn't have thought when he took over that Smith was the type to get bogged down by trends, but surely he can see that Davis can't play as a lone striker. He has ability and it's a shame to waste it by not giving him somebody to play off of.

Samatta is too good to be sitting on our bench while our first XI stink it up out on the pitch too.

So, agreed - they should both be starting together, but they won't.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 24, 2020, 12:09:42 PM
Guilbert and Targett are better than our ‘wingers’ that we have
Therefore they should be the ones we look for width from.

    352
   
                Nyland 
       Konsa Hause Mings
Guilbert Luiz McGinn Jack Targett
           Samatta Davis

I've no problem with that either, we have to go two up front tonight. We then have the option of bringing El Ghazi on from the bench, his best position, to run at tired legs. Attack as a team, defend as a team. That line up should be able to do just that.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 24, 2020, 12:20:24 PM
I would love to see 4 4 1 1 with Jack with a free reign behind the striker.
It won’t happen though.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2020, 12:29:17 PM
Bruce has done better with what I think is a limited Newcastle side than I thought he would. I must admit this match has crept up on me as I didn't realise it was scheduled so soon.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Risso on June 24, 2020, 12:38:46 PM
Bruce has done better with what I think is a limited Newcastle side than I thought he would. I must admit this match has crept up on me as I didn't realise it was scheduled so soon.

He does at least have the luxury of a wide player with a bit of pace and attacking intent.  I reckon I could comfortably mark El Ghazi and Trezeguet out of a game, they're both that poor.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Risso on June 24, 2020, 12:40:48 PM
Guilbert and Targett are better than our ‘wingers’ that we have
Therefore they should be the ones we look for width from.

    352
   
                Nyland 
       Konsa Hause Mings
Guilbert Luiz McGinn Jack Targett
           Samatta Davis

Yes I’d be happy with that line up, and if Guilbert isn’t fit then Elmo. Surely we must try 2 up front because his preferred system is pants, but I’ll be very surprised if he does.

Me too.  Our wingers don't deserve a place on the bench, let alone a starting berth.  With that midfield you'd have the advantage of both McGinn and Grealish being able to make attacking runs from the centre of midfield which is what their game thrives on.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: wince on June 24, 2020, 12:40:48 PM
Only drinkwater I want to see is in a bottle. A must win but probably lose game.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Richard E on June 24, 2020, 12:52:21 PM
I was going to say that the only place I want to see Drinkwater is in the opposition team, but then I remembered we do not have a great record against ten men.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: JJ-AV on June 24, 2020, 01:10:13 PM
Steer
Elmo - Hause - Mings - Targett
Luiz
McGinn - Jack
Anwar - Samatta - Davis

I'd expect Nyland to start though

That's how I'd go, use Davis coming in to give some support to the front man. Play the early diagonals over from Elmo on to Davis and get up the pitch
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 24, 2020, 01:29:29 PM
Snowing in Newcastle, match might be off.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 24, 2020, 01:32:59 PM
25º to 22º between 6 and 8pm. The lads will be looking to top up their tans.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: CT on June 24, 2020, 01:33:55 PM
Snowing in Newcastle, match might be off.

I think it’s too hot to play football. Just call it off anyway!
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: sid1964 on June 24, 2020, 02:38:59 PM
With the heat they will be stopping every 10 minutes for a water break, and they need it with all the running and effort that they put into every game.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
We need to win this or on Saturday, or I think we can forget staying up. But listening to the West Ham fans on Talk Sport, they sound as though they have the same problems as us, no direction and lots of money spent on poor signings. And many thought that Villa played well against Chelsea and that their team is going down.

Agreed, a win and maybe a draw would get us to 30/31 points which would be massive psychologically and leave us a win (with some draws) or two away from safety.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 24, 2020, 03:12:05 PM
Not sure I can bring myself to watch if I’m honest, the first 2 games of this abortion of a restart have left a distinct meh about the whole thing.

Think I’ll go for a ride in the sun, by the time I get home I can then check my phone for the score and avoid the inevitable 90 minutes of swearing and anger. 
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: jeowje on June 24, 2020, 04:03:23 PM
Our current form reminds me of Lamberts final days... players looked utterly defeated, devoid of confidence and ability. Then Sherwood came in and for awhile we looked reinvigorated, a completely different team with new attacking purpose and spirit. Didn’t last obviously but we stayed up. Just saying...
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: gpbarr on June 24, 2020, 04:08:10 PM
Wow - nearly 40% think Villa will win. I'll have a bit of whatever they are drinking - nothing, absolutely nothing I have seen in the last 6 games gives me any confidence. We are an utter shambles.

3-0 loss for me
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: Skerra on June 24, 2020, 04:16:54 PM
I’ve watched every match since the restart. Looking at the form of the teams and the remaining fixtures, these are my predicted final placings for the bottom 5....,
Watford - 40 points
West Ham - 36 points
Bournemouth- 34 points
Aston Villa - 32 points
Norwich- 29 points
I would be so, so happy for me to be proved wrong and you all throwing pelters at me if Villa manage to escape the drop.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: CT on June 24, 2020, 04:26:46 PM
If he picks the same team and formation tonight, I’m guessing he’s Eric Black. We'll have to unmask him Scooby Doo style.

35 years, he knew best.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2020, 04:32:36 PM
Stop Saint-Maximin and we'll win.
Title: Re: Newcastle vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread - Wednesday, June 24th - 6pm
Post by: nordenvillain on June 24, 2020, 05:43:41 PM
1-2 unfortunately, not enough ball winners and retainers not only in the team but in the whole squad for me.
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