Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: exigo on May 23, 2020, 11:03:54 AM
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Whatever we might think about the new Trinity Road stand compared with the old one, this guy has managed to make it look pretty good at scale. Can't wait until the Subbuteo Holte End.
Twitter link (https://twitter.com/SubbuteoP/status/1263873969159131136/photo/1)
Website link (https://www.subbuteopassion.com/stadium)
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Jesus, he needs to get out of lockdown.
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We need a Subbuteo thread.
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Looks good. Fair play to him.
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1971...1st Subbuteo set, you always got a red & white, + blue & white team in the basic set which I added to with a Brazil & Villa team. Got the self adhesive numbers applied to the teams , scratched the hair off our number 9 & we were good to go. Always found that a decent bit of hardboard beneath the pitch worked wonders for long range shots.
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I always took advantage of the rule that said own goals counted from anywhere. A 90 yard shot blasting in off a defender won me many a match, although not so many friends.
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I have quite a lot of subbuteo in my garage. I wanted to get my son to play it with me when he was younger but the X-box ruined all that.
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I’m going to send him a photo of me, so he can place me in the top tier leading the A5 ultras
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I never, ever understood the appeal of subbuteo, but that's marvellous.
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1971...1st Subbuteo set, you always got a red & white, + blue & white team in the basic set which I added to with a Brazil & Villa team. Got the self adhesive numbers applied to the teams , scratched the hair off our number 9 & we were good to go. Always found that a decent bit of hardboard beneath the pitch worked wonders for long range shots.
I could have written that (except the numbers bit) and had the England team, as well. Stretched pitch stapled to hardboard made it a real game and meant we could play it on the dining room table.
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I never, ever understood the appeal of subbuteo, but that's marvellous.
To me, that was the only appeal of subbuteo, the aesthetics. The game I couldn't be arsed with.
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I’ve still got Albion, Wolves and Spain teams. I think I might have an England team in that classic 1982 Admiral kit somewhere. You can get an up to date Villa team for about £20 online. In the good old days any self respecting toy shop or department would have had loads of teams to choose from.
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I think I had Villa, Man U and Ipswich. The first one I had for Christmas, the others were handed down by a Bluenose uncle who purchased the latter as they couldn't get Blose.
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That's excellent !
I had a lot of Subbuteo stuff as a kid but got disillusioned with the game as parents and mates would always step or sit on the players and flatten them. Striker was way better !
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I had Villa, Arsenal, Southampton home sets and Man United away for Christmas 1994 but I rarely played it. I remember having the pc game version as well about 2-3 years later. My favourite thing about Subbutteo was the team poster that came with it and had all the teams on it you could buy. Vivid memories of that....
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There was only one table top football game worth it's salt when I was a kid and that was Tomy Super Cup Football.
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Aah, Subbuteo, happy memories. I spent most of my final year at junior school playing monster tournaments with my mates organised by our teacher Mr Baxter. It was much more fun than swotting for the 11 plus. As I recall there was controversy in the semi final of our version of the 1970 World Cup when a free scoring Pele was horribly injured when the Italian captain ( me ) ‘accidentally’ stood on him breaking him off his base and severing his right leg in the process. Emergency surgery with Araldite epoxy glue meant he was able to take the field in the final but he was never the same threat as a unidexter and England retained the cup trouncing a shell shocked but uniformly expressionless Brazil 6-0.
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In the good old days any self respecting toy shop or department would have had loads of teams to choose from.
Bought my Villa and Brazil teams from Harry Parkes in the Pitman Chambers building on Corporation Street.
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I spent weeks saving my pocket money for a Subbuteo FA Cup from Clive Smith Sports Shop in Rubery about 45 years ago.
I can still recall handing over my hard earned cash while staring transfixed at the plastic containers of live maggots on his counter!
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A mate's just sent me this beauty. The kit looks early 80s, although the packaging looks older.
(https://i.ibb.co/HzLbkLq/107691996-10159870624033776-8631073078243148865-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HzLbkLq)
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I think it's great. Top man.
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We had a large Subbuteo league in Lichfield in the 1990s which ran for ~12 seasons. Everyone picked a real-life English or Scottish team to play as. I was lucky enough to be Villa throughout, but there was always a big rush to "manage" any team that played in something vaguely like claret & blue ... West Ham, Burnley, Scunthorpe United, Crystal Palace, and Heart of Midlothian all enjoyed unusually high levels of support in the WS13 postcode - along with Tranmere Rovers on account of their occasional claret & blue away kits :)
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I reckon it could be early 70s and based on this kit
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/cd/90/f9cd9026d26946999107650a99411efc.jpg)
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1971...1st Subbuteo set, you always got a red & white, + blue & white team in the basic set which I added to with a Brazil & Villa team. Got the self adhesive numbers applied to the teams , scratched the hair off our number 9 & we were good to go. Always found that a decent bit of hardboard beneath the pitch worked wonders for long range shots.
Same year And same colours as me. I think it was based on England’s and W Germany’s away kits
Played on carpet. Never had many Of the accessories except scoreboard and throw in players (who were rubbish). Initially played with the big ball, which was huge, and then changed to the smaller one which was more realistic. Plenty of knee patches needed in those days. Used to have a league of 6 mates and used to play home and away at each other’s houses much to the bemusement of our parents. QPR was my favourite kit. Played with my son when he was younger and he loved it and then came the x box / FIFA.......Great game Subbuteo
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My first International subbuteo team was Bulgaria bought from Harry Parkes shop in town. Loved the colours. This was followed by Peru who looked quite smart in the all white kit with diagonal red band.
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There was only one table top football game worth it's salt when I was a kid and that was Tomy Super Cup Football.
The board game Wembley was crazy, apparently you can still get it, used to be great though, right from the first round to the cup final, brilliant stuff, sill have to say Subbuteo takes some beating.
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I saved for ages to buy the cheapest version from the Co-op in the mid 60's. It came with the bases, slot in cardboard players and rigid plastic goals. Most of the game was spent slotting the players back into their bases. Harry Parkes' was my supplier of choice when I graduated to buying proper plastic teams.
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What was the football game called , where you pushed the player's head down to make him kick the ball ?
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Striker
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That's the one, thanks.
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I never, ever understood the appeal of subbuteo, but that's marvellous.
To me, that was the only appeal of subbuteo, the aesthetics. The game I couldn't be arsed with.
Same here, never had Subbuteo but had the Wembley board game and spent many happy hours playing Striker.
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Loved Subbuteo, but I often knelt on the players. Not so much injuring them, more killing them.
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I never, ever understood the appeal of subbuteo, but that's marvellous.
To me, that was the only appeal of subbuteo, the aesthetics. The game I couldn't be arsed with.
Same here, never had Subbuteo but had the Wembley board game and spent many happy hours playing Striker.
I had the Wembley board game too and loved it. For some reason I remember Millwall used to frequently win my version.
I had Subbuteo in the late 60s with the obligatory red and blue kits but my first purchase was our 1970 relegation kit, all claret shirts from Harry Parker’s ( where else?). I added England, Celtic, the Albion and my favourite non-Villa kit, Ajax. I used to play on the carpet and if we’d argued my sisters would accidentally tread on players. Bostik was more important than the ball generally.
I also had the subbuteo 5 a side game and that was better to play - the green baize pitch was on a hard board and there was less fan Ying about with 4 outfield players.
I also had Big League, a poor man’s version of Striker.
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A mate's just sent me this beauty. The kit looks early 80s, although the packaging looks older.
(https://i.ibb.co/HzLbkLq/107691996-10159870624033776-8631073078243148865-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HzLbkLq)
I agree with PWS, was thinking it's the kit from the 1971 League Cup Final
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The only teams I had, apart from the standard ones, were England 82 and Coventry's Talbot strip. I think I had a terrace, some fencing and a couple of floodlights which never worked. All that extra guff just got in the way
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I had generic blue and yellow teams that i bought or swapped with someone at school. Having no friends, my lasting memory of playing it on my own was however hard you tried to be fair, the team you secretly favoured would always win
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A mate's just sent me this beauty. The kit looks early 80s, although the packaging looks older.
(https://i.ibb.co/HzLbkLq/107691996-10159870624033776-8631073078243148865-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HzLbkLq)
I agree with PWS, was thinking it's the kit from the 1971 League Cup Final
Mexican wave fail there for the keeper
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Had the red and blue teams that came with the box, a dark blue and yellow team that we got from my uncle, West Germany 1990 and Villa from about early 90s
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I used UHU glue to repair 'injured' players, myself.
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A mate's just sent me this beauty. The kit looks early 80s, although the packaging looks older.
(https://i.ibb.co/HzLbkLq/107691996-10159870624033776-8631073078243148865-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HzLbkLq)
10 Charlie Aitkens, there's only 10 Charlie Aitkens.
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The work he's putting into it is impressive. Scroll down his page to see update pics, he's even doing the concourses.
https://twitter.com/subbuteop
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The work he's putting into it is impressive. Scroll down his page to see update pics, he's even doing the concourses.
https://twitter.com/subbuteop
I scrolled down and found a retweet of McGrath's goal away at Forest and I can't stop watching it. Another great away day... although I, like many other Villa fans, was in the home end.
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It’s truly outstanding. Such dedication and attention to every level of detail. Love it
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A mate's just sent me this beauty. The kit looks early 80s, although the packaging looks older.
(https://i.ibb.co/HzLbkLq/107691996-10159870624033776-8631073078243148865-o.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HzLbkLq)
10 Charlie Aitkens, there's only 10 Charlie Aitkens.
The style of bases is definitely 1970s, i think they produced them something like 1968-1978, or thereabouts - definitely not 80s though.
Edit: i lied, 1967-1981, though the box looks 1974-76. Info from the marvelous http://www.peter-upton.co.uk/subhw0.htm
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Have seen an advert for Subbuteo, which seems to be making a comeback.
You seem to be able to get Villa and West Brom, but not Blues or Wolves. You can't get Ipswich either, so no good for Blues. Didn't check whether you could get Blackpool for Wolves....
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Songs about Subbuteo.......
All I Want For Christmas Is A Dukla Prague Away Kit - Half Man Half Biscuit
Subbuteo Lads - Luke Haines
Any others ?
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Perfect cousin Kevin always won at it.
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Memories of Subbuteo.
Some kids at school pronounced it Subb you tay oh. They were wrong.
The art of Subbuteo was a deftly timed SBD carpet slipper released just as you advanced on goal. Short trousers enabled the unfiltered gas out into the opposition penalty area.
Anyone who played the Offside rule was weird.
I'm convinced I have some part of George Best circulating around my body after I kneeled on him in 1969. We never did find the head and shoulders.
Some players had been mended so many times that 50% of their body weight was glue. See also balls.
A mate of mine converted his blue team into a Blues team by adding a white stripe. He should've used a smaller brush.
I found flicking and nudging annoying.
You could add a washer under the player base for better traction.
I really hated untangling the nets and would often forgo the nestling in the onion sack for a missing ball hurtling under the cooker.
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I loved Subbuteo, spent half my childhood playing it. I had floodlights, stands, scoreboards, dozens of teams etc..... But the 5 aside Express Edition was brilliant. I also had the cricket & rugby versions.
I'm seriously impressed with this guy's attention to detail for his Villa Park replica, it's some project to take on.
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Memories of Subbuteo.
Some kids at school pronounced it Subb you tay oh. They were wrong.
The art of Subbuteo was a deftly timed SBD carpet slipper released just as you advanced on goal. Short trousers enabled the unfiltered gas out into the opposition penalty area.
Anyone who played the Offside rule was weird.
I'm convinced I have some part of George Best circulating around my body after I kneeled on him in 1969. We never did find the head and shoulders.
Some players had been mended so many times that 50% of their body weight was glue. See also balls.
A mate of mine converted his blue team into a Blues team by adding a white stripe. He should've used a smaller brush.
I found flicking and nudging annoying.
You could add a washer under the player base for better traction.
I really hated untangling the nets and would often forgo the nestling in the onion sack for a missing ball hurtling under the cooker.
I'd love to have a game after reading this thread. There were always rows about flicking and dragging and what was allowed. Also throw-ins, where the player had to stay on the pitch for it not to be a foul throw r. The goal nets were a nightmare as was keeping the pitch uncrumppled. I remember my Dad telling me as a kid he ordered through a comic a device that was supposed to keep the ball in the net after a shot - it was a strip of double sided tape, which I thought only existed on Blue Peter.
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I had my pitch taped down on a piece of hardboard to keep it flat and uncrumpled.
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I had my pitch taped down on a piece of hardboard to keep it flat and uncrumpled.
Yes we ended up getting this done as well. And I never liked all the stands and stuff (my cousins had them) as it made it harder to play.
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My pitch is chipboard with some hardboard on top -grips the pitch with no problems.
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My brother got the game one Christmas and I had accidentally killed half the men by standing on them, by about Boxing Day.
We had the cricket game too.
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We also had the scoreboard and 100s of teams on bits of paper. This may have sparked some of my interest in geography and foreign teams.
Can remember lots of Italian teams like Modena. Also loads of Scottish teams.
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I tried to get my kids into the game circa 1990 but no interest,
The games buried in the garage somewhere.
I remember saving up for the floodlights in the early 70s.
They looked great, but required a battery the size of a small box of chocolates.
I believe you could spot a serious player as they would grow the fingernail
on their forefinger!
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I believe you could spot a serious player as they would grow the fingernail
on their forefinger!
Indeed. I played for England at Under 16 level in the mid 90s - growing fingernails was fairly common in tournament Subbuteo, or for a few rogue types using false nails (which was frowned upon, but not against the rules).
Base modification was common from (at least) the early 80s onwards. The common things were ...
- Pop the middle disc out and use plastercine to add extra weight (total weight between 2.0g and 3.2g depending on preference for ball control to power)
- Use sandpaper/glasspaper to lower the base profile & increase the size of the flat on the bottom (to ~15mm), finishing off with t-cut
- Paint the bottom of the base with a 50:50 mix of water-based varnish and ethanol, then polish the base before every game with furniture polish
The extra weight & lower profile makes shooting / chipping the ball much easier. The wider flat and varnish mix means they're more stable, and can be (accurately) flicked down the entire length of the pitch.
In competitions, formations tend to be 6-4-0 (rare), 7-3-0 (common), or 8-2-0 (rare but gaining popularity). It's worth bearing in mind that figures naturally drift up the pitch, and are rubbish at tracking back, so they're more like the formations you'd seen in real football when the team's defending. In actual use, they're closer to 3-3-4, 4-3-3, and 5-3-2 respectively. 7-3-0 is traditional, and fairly balanced. 8-2-0 puts more emphasis on heavy counter attack, and is reliant on long distance flicking accuracy. 6-4-0 puts you in for an intensive, high pressing game - it needs a load of discipline (or a much weaker opponent) to pull off.
Edit: there's also hyper-rare formations that involve actual strikers, something like 7-1-2 or 6-2-2. The problem is that out-and-out strikers only really work if you're playing long balls, which is a risky tactic. It can work well with heavily weighted figures, but it's a bit of a leftfield tactic that's the Subbuteo equivalent of sending a keeper up for a corner.
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Hugh Curran who played for Norwich in the 70's was one of my favourite players. Only because of subbuteo. The reason, he scored a header from a corner. Went like a bullet past the keeper.