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Title: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Legion on April 03, 2020, 08:49:10 PM
Birthdate -

Started Supporting -

Manager/Coach -

Keeper -

Defender -
Defender -
Defender -
Defender -

Midfielder -
Midfielder -
Midfielder -
Midfielder -

Attacker -
Attacker - 

Subs
Keeper -
Defender -
Defender -
Midfielder -
Midfielder -
Attacker -
Attacker -

Feel free to change the formation and post your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Deano's Mullet on April 03, 2020, 08:56:44 PM
1977
1988

Ron Atkinson

Mark Bosnich
Steve Staunton
Paul McGrath
Shaun Teale
Gary Charles
David Platt
Kevin Richardson
Paul Merson
Ashley Young
Dean Saunders
Dwight Yorke

Nigel Spink
James Chester
Gareth Barry
Garry Parker
Jack Grealish
Savo Milosevic
Dalian Atkinson


On another day it might change.... Bugger it I left out Ian Taylor!
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: David_Nab on April 03, 2020, 09:07:45 PM
1981

1990

Manager - Brian Little

Bosnich

Delaney
McGrath
Laurson
Bouma

Grealish
Barry
Milner
Young

Benteke
Yorke

Spink
Southgate
Staunton
Platt
Merson
Savo
Gabby



Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: aj2k77 on April 03, 2020, 09:12:16 PM
1980
1986

Brian Little

Bosnich
Staunton
Barrett
Mcgrath
Laursen
Young
Barry
Platt
Daley
Yorke
Benteke


Friedel
Ehiogu
Southgate
Grealish
Milner
Mcinally
Carew
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Legion on April 03, 2020, 09:14:16 PM
It can be anyone that has played for us, regardless of whether you have witnessed their performances.

Perhaps post two? One from those you have seen in your lifetime and another from all those since 1874.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Villan For Life on April 03, 2020, 09:17:12 PM
1966
1977
Ron Saunders

Bosnich
Ken Swain
Stan Staunton
God
Allan Evans
David Platt
James Milner
Gary Shaw
Dwight Yorke
Sid
Ashley Young

Spink
Gidman
Ugo
Mortimer
Andy Gray

Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 03, 2020, 09:18:30 PM
Jimmy Rimmer
John Gilman P McGrath A Evans Gibson
T Daley G Cowans D Mortimer T Morley
        G Shaw A Gray
Spink
Mcnaught
K Swain
B Little
D Bremner
P Withe
D Yorke
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Ads on April 03, 2020, 09:18:33 PM
1986
1991

Brian Little

Bosnich

Stan Staunton
Paul McGrath
Martin Laursen
Earl Barrett

Ashley Young
James Milner
Gareth Barry
Jack Grealish

Dwight Yorke
Christian Benteke


Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2020, 09:33:43 PM
Birthdate - 1982
Started Supporting - 1989-90ish

Director of Football: Ron Atkinson
Manager: Brian Little
(sorry, couldn't pick between them)

Keeper - Mark Bosnich
Defender - Mark Delaney
Defender - Paul McGrath
Defender - Gareth Southgate
Defender - Steve Staunton
Midfielder - James Milner
Midfielder - Sid Cowans
Midfielder - Ian Taylor
Midfielder - Paul Merson
Attacker - Dwight Yorke
Attacker - Dean Saunders

Subs
Keeper - Nigel Spink
Defender - Ugo Ehiogu
Defender - Olaf Mellberg
Midfielder - Stan Petrov
Midfielder - Jack Grealish
Attacker - Dalian Atkinson
Attacker - Christian Beneteke
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: colin69 on April 03, 2020, 09:37:28 PM
1969
1978

Ron Saunders

Jimmy Rimmer
Alan Hutton
Paul McGrath
Shaun Teale
Steve Staunton
SID
David Platt
Dennis Mortimer
Tony Morley
Andy Gray
Brian Little

Nigel Spink
Martin Laursen
Olof Melberg
Stan Petrov
Jack Grealish (maybe)
Gary Shaw
Peter Withe
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Richard on April 03, 2020, 09:44:23 PM
1965
1972

Saunders

Rimmer

Swain
Mellberg
McGrath
Staunton

Milner
Mortimer
Barry
Morley

Yorke
Gray

Bosnich
Southgate
Ugo
Platt
Cowans
Little
Benteke
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Villan For Life on April 03, 2020, 09:50:35 PM
There are Villa fans of a similar vintage as me that dont pick Sid in there starting XI? Im staggered.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 03, 2020, 09:53:41 PM
1971
1977

Graham Taylor

Bosnich

Gidman
Laursen
McGrath
Staunton

Daley
Cowans
Platt
Morley

Little
Yorke

Rimmer
Mellberg
Southgate
Wright
Mortimer
Gray
Benteke
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on April 03, 2020, 09:58:20 PM
1969
1974

Graham Taylor

Mark Bosnich

John Gidman
Sean Teale
Paul McGrath
Steve Staunton

David Platt
Brian Little
Jack Grealish
Gordon Cowans

Andy Gray
Christian Benteke

Subs
Jimmy Rimmer
Olaf Mellberg
Earl Barrett
Chico Hamilton
Dennis Mortimer
Dalian Atkinson
Dwight Yorke
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 03, 2020, 09:58:57 PM
Birthdate - 1980

Started Supporting - 1988

Manager (easily our most successful manager) - George Ramsay

Keeper - Sam Hardy

Defender - Howard Spencer
Defender - Paul McGrath
Defender - James Cowan

Midfielder - Gordon Cowans
Midfielder - Dennis Mortimer
Midfielder - Johnny Dixon
Midfielder - Ian Taylor

Attacker - Archie Hunter
Attacker -  Pongo Waring
Attacker - Dwight Yorke

Subs
Keeper - Jimmy Rimmer
Defender - Gareth Southgate
Midfielder - Eric Houghton
Midfielder - Alex Cropley
Attacker - Peter McParland
Attacker - Gary Shaw
Attacker - Brian Little

I'm not quite certain how the formation works, some of the midfielders/attackers will have to drift wide. Sure it'll be fine.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Fred Crump on April 03, 2020, 10:01:44 PM
1960
1975
 
       Ron ( Im sitting on the fence as to which one)

                          Bosnich
        Gidman Evans God Staunton
                   Mortimer Sid Barry ( nb must take the penalty)
                            Little
                         Shaw Gray
               

Subs :       Rimmer
                Southgate
                Swain
                Ian Taylor
                Milner
                Yorke
                Morley
               
       
                 

 
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Ads on April 03, 2020, 10:02:21 PM
I thought it was players we had seen?
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: PeterWithe on April 03, 2020, 10:02:22 PM
1973

1983

Ron Atkinson

Mark Bosnich

Paul McGrath
Olaf Mellberg
Martin Laursen
Steve Staunton

Jack Grealish
Sid Cowans
David Platt
Mark Walters

Dwight Yorke
Gary Shaw

Im harbouring a mild fear that Ive completely forgotten some absolute shoeins, but there it is.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Legion on April 03, 2020, 10:03:06 PM
Tony Morley, for starters!
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: PeterWithe on April 03, 2020, 10:06:10 PM
I started going every week in 1985, hed either left or faded. Walters gets in as he was the only one worth watching for years
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: PeterWithe on April 03, 2020, 10:07:21 PM
For a year or so Alpay was as good as there has been, rather spoiled his copybook mind
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Gareth on April 03, 2020, 10:09:11 PM
Ive stuck to players Ive seen live with exception of Gary Shaw who blonde mop was the reason this Villa fan is a Villa fan whilst growing up in a family of noses.  Milner is the biggest omission

Birthdate - 17/10/1974

Started Supporting - 1979

Manager/Coach - Sir Graham

Keeper - Bosnich

Defender - Delaney

Defender - Southgate

Defender - McGrath

Defender - Staunton

Midfielder - Barry

Midfielder - Cowans

Midfielder - Grealish

Midfielder - Young

Midfielder - Platt

Attacker - Yorke

Subs

Keeper - Spink

Defender - Ehiogu

Defender - Mellberg

Midfielder - Townsend

Midfielder - Merson

Attacker - Saunders

Attacker - Shaw

Feel free to change the formation and post your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: PeterWithe on April 03, 2020, 10:12:51 PM

Im harbouring a mild fear that Ive completely forgotten some absolute shoeins, but there it is.

I have, Gareth Barry for starters
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Fred Crump on April 03, 2020, 10:26:48 PM
Me too, Des Bremner, Ray Graydon, Tony Daley, Dean Saunders, Dion Dublin, Merson, Grealish,  SJM, Laursen, Mellberg , Friedel, Ashley Young, and Alan Wright, to name but a few..
Oh , and Ashley Westwood of course.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: PeterWithe on April 03, 2020, 10:36:52 PM
Me too, Des Bremner, Ray Graydon, Tony Daley, Dean Saunders, Dion Dublin, Merson, Grealish,  SJM, Laursen, Mellberg , Friedel, Ashley Young, and Alan Wright, to name but a few..
Oh , and Ashley Westwood of course.

Only one of those that i considered was Young
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 03, 2020, 10:41:01 PM
I considered Daley and Young. Ashley Young was one of the most exciting players we have ever had. Shame he ended up going on to become just a bit part player, usually out of position, for those twats. In fairness, he never got the respect he deserved from quite a lot of Villa fans, too. Certain segments of our support have a deep suspicion of flair players.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Fred Crump on April 03, 2020, 10:51:39 PM
Yes , there are certain players who because of either a) what club they go to  b) the lack of acknowledgement of Villa they give once they move on or c) being a tool the way they behave as a person dont get the credit they deserve.
Young and Milner are a)
David Platt and Gareth Southgate are b)
Collymore Savo, Alpay and Hodge are c)
The snake is a mixture of a) and c)
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: tony scott on April 04, 2020, 03:33:33 AM
Right here goes.                                     Rimmer
                                        Gidman.                           Atkin
                                      Barry.         McGrath.       Evans
                                          Rioch.   Grealish. Milner 
                                               Yorke.       Mcparland      Sub. Bosnich  lynn Mcnaught  Mortimer Cahill  Withe Young
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: tony scott on April 04, 2020, 03:35:59 AM
Forgot Manager Mr Saunders

Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: tony scott on April 04, 2020, 03:37:25 AM
1950
1959
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2020, 04:56:27 AM
I considered Daley and Young. Ashley Young was one of the most exciting players we have ever had. Shame he ended up going on to become just a bit part player, usually out of position, for those twats. In fairness, he never got the respect he deserved from quite a lot of Villa fans, too. Certain segments of our support have a deep suspicion of flair players.
His insisting on playing as the playmaker, taking every free kick badly and diving to get a penalty against us could also be a factor.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: j66acd on April 04, 2020, 06:32:07 AM
Birthdate - 26/04/1987

Started Supporting - 1993

Manager/Coach - Dean Smith

Keeper - Bosnich

RB - Hutton
CB - Laursen
CB - Mings
LB - Wright

RM - Milner
CM - Barry
CM - Merson
CM - Grealish
LM - Young

CF - Angel

I was too young to appreciate McGrath, old enough to hate Southgate for leaving. Delaney was close to getting in at RB, Staunton and Bouma close at left back. Petrov and McGinn could have midfield starters but Merson and Grealish at the best players Ive seen down the Villa. Benteke, Yorke, Carew and Gabby were all great but there was something about Angel I just love.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 04, 2020, 07:50:35 AM
1960

1966

Ron Saunders

Spink
Gidman Mcgrath Evans Staunton
Cowans Mortimer Platt Cropley
Shaw Withe

Subs
Bosnich
Southgate Nicholl
Rioch Graydon
Little Gray

Putting Ray Graydon in as a midfielder is a bit of a cheat, but as a winger who could cross the ball and score goals he'd be a must on the bench.  Probably one of the most influential and underrated players in our recent (well,recent to me) history.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: brontebilly on April 04, 2020, 08:43:03 AM
1984

92/93

Bosnich
Delaney
McGrath
Southgate (most difficult selection)
Staunton
Young
Townsend
Barry
Grealish
Benteke
Yorke

Johnstone
Ugo
Laursen
Milner
Taylor
Saunders
JPA
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: PeterWithe on April 04, 2020, 08:53:30 AM
Johnstone?
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 04, 2020, 09:26:32 AM
Birthdate - 1963

Started Supporting - 1972

Manager/Coach - Ron Atkinson

Keeper - Rimmer

Defender - Gidman
Defender - McGrath
Defender - Laursen
Defender - Staunton

Midfielder - Grealish
Midfielder - Sid
Midfielder - Little
Midfielder - Young

Attacker - Yorke
Attacker - Benteke

Subs
Keeper - Bosnich
Defender - Mellberg
Defender - Ugo
Midfielder - Mortimer
Midfielder - Platt
Attacker - Shaw
Attacker - Withe
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Rotterdam on April 04, 2020, 10:09:19 AM
Birthdate - 1971

Started Supporting - first game was 1980

Manager/Coach - JG

Keeper - Bossie

Defender - Hutton
Defender - McGrath
Defender - Mellberg
Defender - Staunton

Midfielder - Sid
Midfielder - Platt
Midfielder - Sir Dennis
Midfielder - Grealish

Attacker - Shaw
Attacker -  Benteke

Subs
Keeper - Rimmer
Defender - Laureen
Defender - Swain
Midfielder - Merson
Midfielder - Taylor
Attacker - JPA
Attacker - Dublin
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: AV82EC on April 04, 2020, 10:12:53 AM
Birthdate - 1968

Started Supporting - 1990

Manager/Coach - Ron Atkinson

Keeper - Friedel

Defender - Barrett
Defender - McGrath
Defender - Laursen
Defender - Staunton

Midfielder - Daley
Midfielder - Milner
Midfielder - Barry
Midfielder - Young

Attacker - Yorke
Attacker -  Benteke

Subs
Keeper - Bosnich
Defender - Mellberg
Defender - Southgate
Midfielder - Petrov
Midfielder - Grealish
Attacker - Atkinson
Attacker - Angel
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Drummond on April 04, 2020, 11:42:16 AM
I started this thread on the Villa Memories page...

https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=60538.0
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: TaxDodger on April 04, 2020, 11:48:32 AM
Born: 1989
Started Supporting: 95/96

                   Bosnich

Delaney  Mellberg  Laursen   Wright

             Taylor  Barry

Young          Merson          Grealish

                  Yorke

Subs: Friedel, Staunton, Southgate, Milner, Petrov, Dublin, Benteke
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 04, 2020, 11:52:08 AM
I started this thread on the Villa Memories page...

https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=60538.0

Yours was restricted only to those you have seen, this isn't.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Monty on April 04, 2020, 12:03:33 PM
Born: 1990

Started supporting: I'd say 1997, first game 2001.

Manager: Jesus I guess it has to be MON as I can't claim to have really known what was going on with managers in Brian's day. I'll go with Deano to compromise because I like him.

4-4-2 diamond

Bosnich

Delaney
Laursen
Mellberg
Bouma

Petrov
Milner
Barry
Grealish

Yorke
Benteke

Subs:

Friedel
Southgate
Luke Young
McGinn
Ashley Young
Angel
Carew (I love Carew)
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: nick harper on April 04, 2020, 12:51:44 PM
Born: 1963
First game : 1972
Manager: Ron Saunders

4-3-1-2

              Rimmer

Gidman, Evans, McGrath, Staunton

Cowans, Mortimer, Barry

            Grealish

         Gray, Shaw

Subs

Bosnich
Swain
Mellberg
Cropley
Platt
Withe
Yorke
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Damo70 on April 04, 2020, 01:32:25 PM
Born 9/11/70

1977 (first game I remember the League Cup final second replay, first game attended Villa 0 Manure 3 Sept 1979).

I have made this a pre season friendly so I could include eight subs!

Bosnich
Swain, Evans, McGrath, Staunton
Mortimer, Cowans, Platt, Morley
Withe, Shaw

Subs - Friedel, Teale, Barry, Townsend, Richardson, Young, Saunders, Yorke
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: tomd2103 on April 04, 2020, 02:22:05 PM
Born 1980 and started going in about 1985, so only gone for players I can remember watching:

                            Bosnich

Barrett         McGrath         Southgate       Staunton

                    Cowans          Townsend

Daley                          Platt                      Merson

                                  Yorke

Manager - Graham Taylor

Could have quite easily gone for Laursen over Southgate, Barry over Townsend and Ashley Young over Merson, so they are on the bench. 
 
Bench:

Spink
Laursen
I Taylor
A Young
Barry
Milner
Dublin
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Mister E on April 04, 2020, 03:36:58 PM

Birthdate - 1958

Started Supporting - 1966 / first live game - 1967 (vs Everton)

Manager/Coach - Ron Saunders

Jimmy Rimmer
John Gidman
Olof MellbergMartin LaursenPaul McGrath
Colin Gibson

Gordon Cowans
Steve McMahon
Jack Grealish

Andy Gray
Brian Little

Subs
Bosnich
Allan Evans
Stevie Staunton
Gareth Barry
Bruce Rioch
Dalian Atkinson
Gary Shaw
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 04, 2020, 03:48:29 PM
1978

First game around 1987/8 maybe before.

Graham Taylor

Bosnich

Lausen
McGrath
Mellberg

Cowans
Barry
Platt
Grealish
Young

Yorke
Benteke
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Breezeblock on April 04, 2020, 03:48:53 PM
Birthdate -1966

Started Supporting - 1971

Manager/Coach - Ron Saunders

Keeper - Nige Spink

Defender - John Gidman
Defender - Paul McGrath
Defender - Martin Laursen
Defender - Charlie Aitken

Midfielder - Dennis Mortimer
Midfielder - Jack Grealish
Midfielder - Brian Little
Midfielder - Sid Cowans

Attacker - Andy Gray
Attacker - Christian Benteke

Subs
Keeper - Mark Bosnich
Defender - Ugo Ehiogu
Defender - Freddy Bouma
Midfielder - David Platt
Midfielder - Tony Daley
Attacker - Juan Pablo Angel
Attacker - Andy Lochhead
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 04, 2020, 03:59:25 PM
Birthdate -1974

Started Supporting -1982 (earlier but Feb 82 was my 1st game, man Utd away lost 1-4), didn't know at time but first game after Ron Saunders resigned.

Manager/Coach -Graham Taylor

Keeper - Mark Bosnich

Defender - Steve Staunton
Defender - Allan Evans
Defender - Paul McGrath
Defender - Colin Gibson

Midfielder -Gareth Barry
Midfielder - Gordon Cowans
Midfielder -David Platt
Midfielder - Paul Merson

Attacker - Peter Withe
Attacker -  Dwight Yorke

Subs
Keeper - Nigel Spink
Defender - Martin Laursen
Defender - Ollof Mellberg
Midfielder - Jack Grealish
Midfielder -Ian Taylor
Attacker - Dean Saunders
Attacker - Christian Benteke

Feel free to change the formation and post your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Bobby Boy on April 04, 2020, 04:13:24 PM
1968

1975

Ron Saunders

Jimmy Rimmer

John Gidman
Paul McGrath
Olof Mellberg
Steve Staunton

Gordon Cowans
Dennis Mortimer
Andy Townsend
Brian Little

Dwight Yorke
Peter Withe

Nigel Spink

Allan Evans
Gareth Southgate

David Platt
Des Bremner

Gary Shaw
Dean Saunders

I haven't looked at anyone else's yet so I've definitely forgotten someone(s) obvious...

Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 04, 2020, 04:14:15 PM
Tony Morley was my absolute favourite player as a 6/7/8 year old but think I may have only seen him a couple of times live as only went to a handful of games in 1982 and  1983, hence him not being in my squad. Definetely saw Withe a lot in mid 80s. Leaving Mark Walters out was a hard one for me as I idolized him as a kid, also toss up between Townsend and Ian Taylor on the bench, went with my claret and blue glasses. Also, not the best player so not in my squad, but I loved the sheer aggression of Garry Thompson in tgecrelegation and promotion side in the late 80s. Ashley Young and James Milner were tough ones to leave out as well. Grealish has it all but only done for two half seasons so far, hence on the bench for me.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Damo70 on April 04, 2020, 04:17:40 PM
Tony Morley was my absolute favourite player as a 6/7/8 year old but think I may have only seen him a couple of times live as only went to a handful of games in 1982 and  1983, hence him not being in my squad. Definetely saw Withe a lot in mid 80s. Leaving Mark Walters out was a hard one for me as I idolized him as a kid, also toss up between Townsend and Ian Taylor on the bench, went with my claret and blue glasses. Also, not the best player so not in my squad, but I loved the sheer aggression of Garry Thompson in tgecrelegation and promotion side in the late 80s. Ashley Young and James Milner were tough ones to leave out as well. Grealish has it all but only done for two half seasons so far, hence on the bench for me.


Tony Morley is my all time favourite but the best for me were God & Sid.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2020, 04:18:35 PM
Saunders

Rimmer

Gidman
Gibson
Evans
McGrath

Mortimer
Cowans
Platt
Morley

Withe
Little

Reserves:
Bosnich

Swain
Williams
Southgate
Laursen

Townsend
Cropley
Bremner
Young

Benteke
Shaw




Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Damo70 on April 04, 2020, 04:28:38 PM
I always thought Colin Gibson was better when he was moved into midfield. It might be harsh given he won the League and European Cup but I would put Gidman, Swain, Gage, Price and Barrett ahead of Gary Williams.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on April 04, 2020, 04:32:06 PM
I always thought Colin Gibson was better when he was moved into midfield. It might be harsh given he won the League and European Cup but I would put Gidman, Swain, Gage, Price and Barrett ahead of Gary Williams.

Although Williams was mainly a left-back who covered right back sometimes, and those you mention, with the exception of Gage, were right-backs. Williams as a very good player in my opinion, although I preferred Gibbo.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 04, 2020, 04:46:33 PM
1972
1980

Nigel Spink
Earl Barrett
Steve Staunton
Paul McGrath
Martin Laursen
Ashley Young
David Platt
Tony Daley
James Milner
Gareth Barry
Jack Grealish
Christian Benteke

Subs: Cowans, Carew, Petrov, Saunders, Mellberg, Bosnich, Teale

Manager: Graham Taylor

Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: richtheholtender on April 04, 2020, 05:15:06 PM
1985

1992

Manager Ron Atkinson

5-3-2

Bosnich, Barrett, McGrath, Ehiogu, Barry, Staunton, Cowans, Taylor, Townsend, Atkinson, Saunders


Subs Yorke, Spink, Teale, Daley, Merson, Mellberg, Richardson

Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: PaulTheVillan on April 04, 2020, 06:08:13 PM
1983

My first game was Aston Villa 0-1 Blackburn Rovers. January 1st 1994

Brian Little, will never forget Wembley '96. What a great day that was.

Bosnich
Delaney McGrath Southgate Staunton
Milner    Taylor    Barry    Young
Merson
Benteke

Struggled with the full backs, but rated Delaney, he liked a proper slide tackle. Shame injury took its toll.

Wasn't sure about Yorke over Benteke. But the way he left for Man Utd really upset me when I was a stroppy teenager. Can't forgive him, still.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: paul_e on April 04, 2020, 06:40:41 PM
Birthdate - 1979

Started Supporting - 1991-92

Manager/Coach - Little

Keeper - Bosnich

Defender - Delaney
Defender - McGrath
Defender - Laursen
Defender - Amavi

Midfielder - Milner
Midfielder - Barry
Midfielder - Taylor

Free Role - Grealish

Attacker - Yorke
Attacker - Benteke

Subs
Keeper - Friedel
Defender - Mellberg
Defender - Staunton
Midfielder - Petrov
Midfielder - Merson
Attacker - Atkinson
Attacker - Young

A few aren't necessarily the best players for the position but collectively I think the team would work brilliantly. The bench even more than the team is about players to fill specific roles.

Left back is the weakest area because I don't think we've had a one who's played with any consistency in the way I want so I went for the player Amavi is now rather than the player he was with us.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: billhicks on April 04, 2020, 07:24:38 PM
1965
1974
Saunders
Rimmer
Swiain
Staunton
God
Laursen
Sid
Mortimer
Platt
Morley
Withe
Shaw
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Damo70 on April 04, 2020, 09:22:03 PM
It is no coincidence that our more successful teams had experience, leadership and character.

Rimmer, Swain, Evans, McNaught, Mortimer,Bremner, Cowans, Withe.

Spink, Evans, Gage, Keown, Mountfield, Neilson, the Gray twins, Birch, Garry Thompson, McInally.

Bosnich, Staunton, Teale, McGrath, Richardson, Townsend, Saunders.

Southgate, Ugo, Taylor, Yorke

Friedel, Mellberg, Laursen, Barry, Young, Milner, Carew.

MON even got Warnock, Dunne, Collins, Curtis Davies, Reo-Coker and Gabby playing like world beaters for a while.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Hillbilly on April 05, 2020, 01:26:25 AM
1964, 1969
Ron Saunders
Bosnich
Robson, God, Nicholl, Staunton
Bremner, Mortimer, Cowans, Morley
Gray, Little
Subs
Spink, Barrett, Gidman, Ehiogu, Rioch B, Merson, Shaw

Id also reach back into history for Frank Barson in case we ever came up against our neighbours from Sandwell and A**y Br**n was playing.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: mr underhill on April 05, 2020, 10:34:25 AM
any 11 that includes Gerry Hitchens is fine by me
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: eamonn on April 05, 2020, 12:23:13 PM
Interesting to see how poor we've been at RB in the large 30 years that Earl Barrett, a steady journeyman, gets included in a couple of teams.

Also, I can't believe Monty was born in 1990. I always considered him a wise sage. Were you 40 in the womb?
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 05, 2020, 12:39:42 PM
1977

1982

Sir Graham

Bosnich
Gage
McGrath
Laursen
Staunton

Grealish
Cowans
Platt
Mortimer

Yorke
Shaw

Spink
Southgate
Ugo
Daley
Benteke
Milner
Barry
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: brontebilly on April 05, 2020, 12:58:15 PM
Interesting to see how poor we've been at RB in the large 30 years that Earl Barrett, a steady journeyman, gets included in a couple of teams.

Agreed, Barrett didn't stay that long with us either. Mark Delaney was a decent player, who suffered badly with injuries, was my pick but hardly an outstanding player either. Other flank the same, Staunton was a fine player on the ball but not the greatest defender. Wright was solid for a number of years, after that just a series of hopeless left backs.

The competition at centre half in comparison was huge.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: ktvillan on April 05, 2020, 01:34:30 PM
Birthdate - 1960

Started Supporting 1966 (approximately)

Manager/Coach Sir Ron Saunders (sub Big Ron)

Keeper Bosnich top notch keeper albeit slightly mad

Defender Gidman Just edges out Swain as the most exciting attacking RB Ive seen
Defender Staunton Cultured left foot and could play left midfield as well.
Defender McGrath Masterful and majestic
Defender Laursen A massive presence in the centre of defence

Midfielder -Platt a world class attacking midfielder at his best.
Midfielder -Cowans Consistently excellent over many years
Midfielder -Milner Great all round player with excellent attitude
Midfielder Morley The most exciting winger weve had if only for a couple of seasons

Attacker Yorke- went on to show he was world class
Attacker Gray The most exciting player Ive seen in Villa colours, gutted when he left.

Subs
Keeper Spink narrowly edges out Rimmer
Defender Swain Loved him to bist, juts liked Gidman that little bit more
Defender -Mellberg Great defender but not as good on the ball as Laursen
Midfielder -Barry Consistent over many seasons
Midfielder -Grealish has it all but needs to live up to it
Attacker -Shaw Very tight between him and Yorke would have bettered Lineker if not for injury
Attacker -Benteke Absolute beast with plenty of skill shame about his post Villa career.

Honourable mentions/Also considered Merson, Rimmer, Southgate, Cahill, McGinn, Cropley, Daley, Macinally. Walters, Hateley, Aitken, Nicholl, Little. Gibson, Delaney, Parker, Houghton, Atkinson, Saunders, Carbone, Delph, McMahon, Bremner, Deehan, Graydon, Williams, Rioch, Leonard, Withe, Evans, Young, Carew, Angel, Milosevic, Mortimer, Taylor, Ugo, Townsend, Dublin, Petrov, Collymore.

I'm with Chicago Lion on Ashley Young, decent enough player but I really didn't like him.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Rory on April 05, 2020, 03:09:02 PM
1989

1995

Brian Little

(Looks ridiculously attacking, and doesn't really fit with Little's favoured formation, but I don't claim to be a manager, and think this would be a pretty entertaining matchday squad! We'd concede a fair few, but score lots as well.)

                           Bosnich
                              (GK)

 Delaney    McGrath     Laursen     Wright
     (RB)         (CB)             (CB)           (LB)

                               Milner
                                (CM)
                Grealish                Barry
                   (RM)                    (LB)
                                Young
                (Roaming AM/winger)

                    Yorke                Carew
                     (CF)                   (CF)

Looks a bit narrow, but with Milner's work-rate and Young given license to roam both wings, plus Barry dropping deep to support from the back, and Grealish pushing forward to link up with the forwards, I thought it would be pretty fluid.

Subs:
Friedel (GK)
Staunton (DF)
Southgate (DF)
Merson (AMF) - just for that bit of guile/magic
Ian Taylor (MF)
Agbonlahor (AT) - purely for the pace from the bench
Benteke (AT)

Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 05, 2020, 03:29:49 PM
Interesting to see how poor we've been at RB in the large 30 years that Earl Barrett, a steady journeyman, gets included in a couple of teams.

Also, I can't believe Monty was born in 1990. I always considered him a wise sage. Were you 40 in the womb?

This surprised me, too. I'm ten years older than Monty!
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: RichardBatchelor on April 05, 2020, 04:48:12 PM
Ron Saunders

Nigel Spink

John Gidman
Colin Gibson
Allan Evans
The Lord God Our Shepherd

Gordon Cowans
Dennis Mortimer
Jack Grealish
Tony Morley

Peter Withe
Gary Shaw

Subs

Jimmy Rimmer
Christian Benteke
Dwight Yorke
Ian Taylor
Ugo Ehiogu
Kenny Swain
Gareth Southgate
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: 260475 on April 06, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
I've concentrated on my formative years of supporting the Villa when there were far more goals in the team (=more fun)

1960
1971

Saunders (Crowe legacy was good)

Burridge
Aitken, Robson
Ross, Nicholl
McMahon, Hamilton, Rioch
Graydon, Gray, Little

Subs
Cumbes (sorry never liked Spink even though he was heroic)
Alan Evans, Leighton Phillips
Carrodus
Lochhead, Shaw, Deehan
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 06, 2020, 01:30:28 PM
1975
1988

Big Ron

Bosnich
Price
Staunton
Southgate
McGrath
Milner
Townsend
Platt
Young
Yorke
Saunders

Spink
Laursen
Ugo
Cowans
Barry
Carew
Benteke

There would be changes in different formations obviously. Honorable mentions to Mings, Taylor, Delaney, Neilson, Mellberg, Petrov, Daley, Merson, Dublin and Atkinson and of course Grealish who would certainly be involved in a different formation.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: hilts_coolerking on April 06, 2020, 01:50:31 PM
71.  80.

Saunders

Bosnich

Swain
Gibson
Evans
McGrath

Mortimer
Cowans
Platt
Morley

Benteke
Yorke
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: JD on April 07, 2020, 09:03:02 AM
1964

1974

Ron Saunders

Rimmer

Gidman
Gibson
Evans
God

Mortimer
Cowans
Platt
Cropley

Gray
He who walks on water

Subs

Spink
Bosnich

Swain
Staunton
Mellberg
Southgate

Bremner
Morley
Taylor
Jack

Withe
Shaw
Yorke
Benteke








Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: john2710 on April 07, 2020, 11:10:36 PM
1962
1970
Ron Saunders

Jimmy Rimmer

Kenny Swain
Steve Staunton
Paul McGrath
Martin Laursen

Dennis Mortimer
Gordon Cowans
Gareth Barry

Brian Little
Christian Benteke
Dwight Yorke

Subs
Mark Bosnic
Paul Merson
Mark Walters
Andy Gray
John Gidman
Jack Grealish
Ken McNaught
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on April 08, 2020, 04:03:26 PM
Only chosen players Ive seen with my own eyes:

1985
1989
Ron Atkinson

Bosnich

Staunton
McGrath
Terry
Laursen
Mellberg

Barry
Milner
Platt

Grealish
Benteke

Subs:
Spink
Yorke
Atkinson
Saunders
Southgate
Merson
Dublin
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: LeeB on April 08, 2020, 05:27:44 PM
Only chosen players Ive seen with my own eyes:

1985
1989
Ron Atkinson

Bosnich

Staunton
McGrath
Terry
Laursen
Mellberg

Barry
Milner
Platt

Grealish
Benteke

Subs:
Spink
Yorke
Atkinson
Saunders
Southgate
Merson
Dublin

Youve missed off Sid. Im assuming it was an error.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on April 08, 2020, 05:44:20 PM
Only chosen players Ive seen with my own eyes:

1985
1989
Ron Atkinson

Bosnich

Staunton
McGrath
Terry
Laursen
Mellberg

Barry
Milner
Platt

Grealish
Benteke

Subs:
Spink
Yorke
Atkinson
Saunders
Southgate
Merson
Dublin

Youve missed off Sid. Im assuming it was an error.

My memories of him were too vague tbh.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 08, 2020, 06:03:19 PM
If you're basing it on only who you've seen, and started watching in 1989, missing off Sid is reasonable. He was still very good them, but not at his absolute peak.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on April 08, 2020, 06:41:13 PM
If you're basing it on only who you've seen, and started watching in 1989, missing off Sid is reasonable. He was still very good them, but not at his absolute peak.

My only real memory of him was from the earliest Villa match I remember watching on tv when we beat Everton 6-2. I didnt start going to the games until 1991. Platt on the other hand was my favourite footballer as a small child (even after he left us). Until I met him in the mid-nineties and he was a c*nt!
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 08, 2020, 06:43:14 PM
I can't say I'm surprised, sadly. Always liked him, he seems to be an arrogant tossed that has only since acknowledged the existence of Aston Villa when he has been touting himself for the manager's job.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on April 08, 2020, 06:46:42 PM
I can't say I'm surprised, sadly. Always liked him, he seems to be an arrogant tossed that has only since acknowledged the existence of Aston Villa when he has been touting himself for the manager's job.

Ive heard the stories of him returning from italia 90 with a big ego but not sure it was just down to that. I met him at a signing and he didnt look up and barely acknowledged my offer of a handshake. I wouldnt mind but I was only about 10 at the time.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 08, 2020, 07:00:18 PM
63

72

Ramsay.

Hardy

Spencer
McGrath
Barson
Cummings

Houghton
Blanchflower
Cowans
McParland

Waring
Walker

Subs:

Rimmer
Cowan
Gidman
Mortimer
Grealish
Yorke
Hampton
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: ldavfc4eva on April 08, 2020, 07:28:50 PM
86

95

Bosnich

Wright
Charles
Mellberg
Laursen


Barry
Milner
Young
Grealish

Angel
Yorke

Schmeichel
Southgate
Delaney
Taylor
Solano
Dublin
Carew

Manager Brian Little

Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Villan82 on April 09, 2020, 01:36:30 PM
I have tried this a few times but it's too hard. I can only really do it by decade; 90s, 00s, 2010s. I just feel the game was so different in each decade that a player who was top draw in the 90s probably wouldn't be suited in today's game etc.

For example, Yorke was world class at a time when teams (Villa and utd) played with two strikers. How would he fare as a lone striker in the formations of today? Would he have to be played in a sort of AM role off a player like Benteke? Gareth Barry was at his best for us as a wide left midfielder, a position that's more or less redundant today. So, instead of putting my players in a formation, here is my all-time 1-11 since 1989:

Bosnich

Mellberg
McGrath
Laursen
Staunton

Milner
Townsend
Platt
Barry

Yorke
Benteke

Subs
Friedal
Southgate
Taylor
Merson
Young
Saunders
Grealish

Would like to have included Ehiogu, Savo, Dalian, Tony Daley, Angel,Richardson and Mark Delaney but it wasn't possible.


Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Hale on April 09, 2020, 06:36:15 PM
1953

1963

Ron Saunders

Johnny Dixon - non playing captain - an absolute gentleman, still the only Villa captain to lift the FA Cup in my lifetime

Rimmer

Gidman
McGrath
Evans
Aitken

Rioch
Barry
Cowans

Little
Gray
Anderson

Subs:
Spink
Swain
Laursen
Mortimer
Milner
Shaw
Dublin
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Superyorke on April 09, 2020, 08:22:53 PM
1966

1976 ish

Graham Taylor

Bosnich

Mellberg
Southgate
Ehiogu
Bouma

Cowans
Platt
Barry
Grealish

Yorke
Benteke


Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: PeterWithe on April 09, 2020, 08:46:42 PM
Yorke was world class at a time when teams (Villa and utd) played with two strikers. How would he fare as a lone striker in the formations of today?

I reckon he would have done very well, he was a clever footballer and used space and other peoples runs well, also very good at holding a ball into feet as he matured.

I would never have said hed make it after seeing him the first couple of times.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: paul_e on April 09, 2020, 10:32:36 PM
Yorke was world class at a time when teams (Villa and utd) played with two strikers. How would he fare as a lone striker in the formations of today?

I reckon he would have done very well, he was a clever footballer and used space and other peoples runs well, also very good at holding a ball into feet as he matured.

I would never have said hed make it after seeing him the first couple of times.


Yorke and Benteke with Grealish in behind would be nightmare to defend, Yorke's movement off the ball was exceptional and Grealish and Benteke are like magents for defenders. I honestly think all at their best, with a functional midfield in behind, sees Yorke scoring 30+ for the season.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Villan82 on April 09, 2020, 10:53:15 PM
Yorke was world class at a time when teams (Villa and utd) played with two strikers. How would he fare as a lone striker in the formations of today?

I reckon he would have done very well, he was a clever footballer and used space and other peoples runs well, also very good at holding a ball into feet as he matured.

I would never have said hed make it after seeing him the first couple of times.


Yorke and Benteke with Grealish in behind would be nightmare to defend, Yorke's movement off the ball was exceptional and Grealish and Benteke are like magents for defenders. I honestly think all at their best, with a functional midfield in behind, sees Yorke scoring 30+ for the season.

That would be some forward line if you had 3 absolute machines behind them.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: paul_e on April 09, 2020, 11:07:11 PM
Yorke was world class at a time when teams (Villa and utd) played with two strikers. How would he fare as a lone striker in the formations of today?

I reckon he would have done very well, he was a clever footballer and used space and other peoples runs well, also very good at holding a ball into feet as he matured.

I would never have said hed make it after seeing him the first couple of times.


Yorke and Benteke with Grealish in behind would be nightmare to defend, Yorke's movement off the ball was exceptional and Grealish and Benteke are like magents for defenders. I honestly think all at their best, with a functional midfield in behind, sees Yorke scoring 30+ for the season.

That would be some forward line if you had 3 absolute machines behind them.

Yeah, Barry, Milner and 1 from about 5-6 (again based on me only choosing players from the premier league era because I'd only been to a handful of games before that).
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Villan82 on April 12, 2020, 09:19:38 AM
I'm not saying he should be in this particular conversation but it is odd that Darius Vassell never seems to feature on these nostalgia binges in the way that so many other strikers do. Why is that? He was no world beater but he was fairly solid for us and also for England.

There was that period under Sven where he seemed set to become a real star for England. For some strange reason I can remember the 90s more clearly than I can recall the 00s! Can anybody shed some light on the subject?
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: brontebilly on April 12, 2020, 01:09:28 PM
I'm not saying he should be in this particular conversation but it is odd that Darius Vassell never seems to feature on these nostalgia binges in the way that so many other strikers do. Why is that? He was no world beater but he was fairly solid for us and also for England.

There was that period under Sven where he seemed set to become a real star for England. For some strange reason I can remember the 90s more clearly than I can recall the 00s! Can anybody shed some light on the subject?

Unfortunately Vassell tends to get mentioned in terms of how limited England's options up front were at the time behind Owen and Rooney. He came for an injured Rooney v Portugal in 2004, missed a pen and I'm not sure if he ever featured again.

In a Villa shirt, I liked him but his scoring record was patchy. Combined well with Angel at times. Certainly better than his ultimate replacement Baros ever did. I guess the Moore brothers were
coming from the youths around then so he was let go to City. Decent player but no more.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: Mister E on April 13, 2020, 02:13:46 PM
Re-watched a 1993 game yesterday. Gary Parker is a massively under-rated player; not in  the ulitimate team selection space but not far off.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 13, 2020, 02:55:53 PM
I think he was great on his day, and one of the best passers I've seen at Villa. He wasn't great on a regular basis, though, as far as I recall. Somewhat hit and miss. He does seem to have become something of a forgotten figure from that season though, it's odd.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: paul_e on April 13, 2020, 03:33:07 PM
I think he was great on his day, and one of the best passers I've seen at Villa. He wasn't great on a regular basis, though, as far as I recall. Somewhat hit and miss. He does seem to have become something of a forgotten figure from that season though, it's odd.

Parker was one of a group of players around that time who was either unplayable or anonymous with little in between, Dalian Atkinson being the prime example.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2020, 05:27:20 PM
A player in the category of lacked a yard of pace but as said he had great touch and scored a great goal at Anfield. I seem to remember him fading as the season went on.
Title: Re: Your all-time, ultimate Aston Villa line-up
Post by: CT on April 13, 2020, 08:12:59 PM
I'm not saying he should be in this particular conversation but it is odd that Darius Vassell never seems to feature on these nostalgia binges in the way that so many other strikers do. Why is that? He was no world beater but he was fairly solid for us and also for England.

There was that period under Sven where he seemed set to become a real star for England. For some strange reason I can remember the 90s more clearly than I can recall the 00s! Can anybody shed some light on the subject?

Unfortunately Vassell tends to get mentioned in terms of how limited England's options up front were at the time behind Owen and Rooney. He came for an injured Rooney v Portugal in 2004, missed a pen and I'm not sure if he ever featured again.

In a Villa shirt, I liked him but his scoring record was patchy. Combined well with Angel at times. Certainly better than his ultimate replacement Baros ever did. I guess the Moore brothers were
coming from the youths around then so he was let go to City. Decent player but no more.

Not the first player of ours to become a hit with England and then see his form drop completely for us.

As for the greatest XI, me and my lad were talking today and I said you can only pick players you've seen.

To be fair, he chose a midfield of Milner, Grealish, Young and McGinn. He had John Carew and Christian Benteke up front.
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