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Title: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Legion on March 31, 2020, 12:01:23 PM
The discussion board format is 23 years old today.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 31, 2020, 12:11:07 PM
Where are we going for the celebration? Actually, on second thoughts, I might stay in.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Rotterdam on March 31, 2020, 12:39:21 PM
Happy birthday to H&V!

I am though going to have a quiet night in to celebrate. No phone calls, messages or emails inviting me round please.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2020, 01:38:59 PM
Do the first "threads" or topics as they may have been on Manilla, exist?
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2020, 01:42:58 PM
Do the first "threads" or topics as they may have been on Manilla, exist?

Lone gone, sadly.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 31, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
How many people have been posting since the very beginning? The Ken Barlows and Ian Beales, if you will
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: AV82EC on March 31, 2020, 01:58:50 PM
I think I first started in 1998 or 1999 so a reasonably early adopter but certainly not the full 23 years. There must be a core of posters who've  been here since the beginning?
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: clash city rocker on March 31, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
For all the ups, downs and disagreements it's still a fuckin blast.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 31, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
"Do you sleep with Prostitutes?" that episode will live long in the memory.

I remember posting on the manilla site.  Risso was around then too.  Pete Bland as well.  Whatever happened to him?
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2020, 04:01:51 PM
"Do you sleep with Prostitutes?" that episode will live long in the memory.

I remember posting on the manilla site.  Risso was around then too.  Pete Bland as well.  Whatever happened to him?

I saw him at Wembley.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: darren woolley on March 31, 2020, 04:43:01 PM
Happy Birthday H&V the best in the world.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 31, 2020, 05:16:16 PM
Happy Birthday H&V the best in the world.

Hip hip, hooray! For he's a jolly good fellow
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 31, 2020, 09:11:52 PM
A celebration tinged with sadness given today's statement.

Think I joined in late 2000/early 2001. First Villa website I was on was run by a Danish guy, Christian something or other, whilst I was still getting the paper H&Vs by airmail.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Legion on March 31, 2020, 09:13:10 PM
I was there in the Manila days. Not sure exactly when, though.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2020, 11:22:05 PM
I was there in the Manila days. Not sure exactly when, though.

Just before it broke.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: cdward on March 31, 2020, 11:51:55 PM
Happy Birthday. Any interesting stats or random facts, like, how many people have been on/banned, how many arguments, how many punathons in the last 23 years. Any weddings?
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Louzie0 on March 31, 2020, 11:56:33 PM
Happy Birthday and thank you very much for the entertainment and much, much more.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2020, 11:56:52 PM
Happy Birthday. Any interesting stats or random facts, like, how many people have been on/banned, how many arguments, how many punathons in the last 23 years. Any weddings?

Please, don't ever, ever mention weddings on here.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Legion on April 01, 2020, 12:18:45 AM
Sorry. So, so sorry.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: tony scott on April 01, 2020, 02:27:43 AM
Congrats great forum thanks for posting those HandVs To me when I was in the Benelux
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Axl Rose on April 01, 2020, 02:58:42 AM
Best site on the internet. Happy belated birthday!
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: chrisw1 on April 01, 2020, 09:02:02 AM
I was mainly lurking in the Manilla days.  Remember the likes of Mad Rob, Malcom Everall ant the VT exiles.

Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dicedlam on April 01, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
I spent a lot of time on the BBB site in those days, but I can't remember a lot of names these days. Great bunch of posters and some of them incredibly witty. Maybe a few are still around?

Malcolm Everall used to piss most people off, also the councillor guy? There was also the guy who took some of my money for a flag and ended up doing a runner? Another from those days was Red Robbo.

Whatever did happen to Mac?
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 01, 2020, 10:43:19 AM
I spent a lot of time on the BBB site in those days, but I can't remember a lot of names these days. Great bunch of posters and some of them incredibly witty. Maybe a few are still around?

Malcolm Everall used to piss most people off, also the councillor guy? There was also the guy who took some of my money for a flag and ended up doing a runner? Another from those days was Red Robbo.

Whatever did happen to Mac?

We don't talk about what happened to Mac. It was all very distasteful.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: chrisw1 on April 01, 2020, 10:44:44 AM
I spent a lot of time on the BBB site in those days, but I can't remember a lot of names these days. Great bunch of posters and some of them incredibly witty. Maybe a few are still around?

Malcolm Everall used to piss most people off, also the councillor guy? There was also the guy who took some of my money for a flag and ended up doing a runner? Another from those days was Red Robbo.

Whatever did happen to Mac?
Jay Forsyth.  What a ******. 
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 01, 2020, 10:50:02 AM
also the councillor guy?

Stuart T Swann?
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Legion on April 01, 2020, 10:51:03 AM
Councillor Swann. Vile man.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Legion on April 01, 2020, 10:51:47 AM
I was mainly lurking in the Manilla days.  Remember the likes of Mad Rob, Malcom Everall ant the VT exiles.



Ranting Rob.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dicedlam on April 01, 2020, 10:52:28 AM
also the councillor guy?

Stuart T Swann?

That's him. I remember him coming back on the site time and time again under various guises.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dicedlam on April 01, 2020, 10:53:30 AM
I was mainly lurking in the Manilla days.  Remember the likes of Mad Rob, Malcom Everall ant the VT exiles.



Ranting Rob.
Fuck me! there is a name from the past. Had his own site and was obsessed with porn.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 01, 2020, 10:53:55 AM
Happy Birthday. Any interesting stats or random facts, like, how many people have been on/banned, how many arguments, how many punathons in the last 23 years. Any weddings?

Please, don't ever, ever mention weddings on here.

*shudders*
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 01, 2020, 11:01:59 AM
also the councillor guy?

Stuart T Swann?

That's him. I remember him coming back on the site time and time again under various guises.


Disco Stu
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 01, 2020, 11:09:38 AM
also the councillor guy?

Stuart T Swann?

That's him. I remember him coming back on the site time and time again under various guises.


Disco Stu

One of the many strange things about him was that wherever he was, and at times he was my very own cyber-stalker, whatever name he used, he always made it obvious who he was.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: chrisw1 on April 01, 2020, 11:11:59 AM
also the councillor guy?

Stuart T Swann?

That's him. I remember him coming back on the site time and time again under various guises.

He changed so often I wasn't 100% sure if he was still here under a different name.  Always thought he was funnier than he actually was.  See also Glen Peen.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 01, 2020, 12:34:12 PM
I was mainly lurking in the Manilla days.  Remember the likes of Mad Rob, Malcom Everall ant the VT exiles.



Ranting Rob.
Fuck me! there is a name from the past. Had his own site and was obsessed with porn.

Wanking Rob?
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: UK Redsox on April 01, 2020, 03:50:58 PM
Wayback Machine - June 2000

(https://i.ibb.co/QHTZrQ3/HV1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QHTZrQ3)
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 01, 2020, 04:06:15 PM
I was mainly lurking in the Manilla days.  Remember the likes of Mad Rob, Malcom Everall ant the VT exiles
Ranting Rob.

I used to enjoy his pieces in the paper H&V. My main memory from the early days here was Fletch, H&V's own anti-Woodrow Wyatt. :)
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Rory on April 01, 2020, 04:22:37 PM
I was sworn off H&V in around 2005 by a friend who claimed to have had an argument with Dave Woodhall. I started browsing around 2008ish and quickly realised (for various reasons) that my friend was a twat and H&V is great.

All's well that ends well.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 01, 2020, 04:25:21 PM
I was sworn off H&V in around 2005 by a friend who claimed to have had an argument with Dave Woodhall. I started browsing around 2008ish and quickly realised (for various reasons) that my friend was a twat and H&V is great.

All's well that ends well.

Could you narrow it down a bit?
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Rory on April 01, 2020, 04:54:51 PM
I was sworn off H&V in around 2005 by a friend who claimed to have had an argument with Dave Woodhall. I started browsing around 2008ish and quickly realised (for various reasons) that my friend was a twat and H&V is great.

All's well that ends well.

Could you narrow it down a bit?

Haha I'm not sure. He was a seller, briefly. His brother had a season ticket in the Upper Holte but was secretly converting into a nose (and a BNP member) so I used to use his ST quite regularly.

The only time I went along with him selling H&V, he was standing by the Holte/Witton corner. Didn't get much custom, kept being told things like, "sorry mate, I buy from a regular".
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 01, 2020, 04:57:03 PM
I was sworn off H&V in around 2005 by a friend who claimed to have had an argument with Dave Woodhall. I started browsing around 2008ish and quickly realised (for various reasons) that my friend was a twat and H&V is great.

All's well that ends well.

Could you narrow it down a bit?

Haha I'm not sure. He was a seller, briefly. His brother had a season ticket in the Upper Holte but was secretly converting into a nose (and a BNP member) so I used to use his ST quite regularly.

The only time I went along with him selling H&V, he was standing by the Holte/Witton corner. Didn't get much custom, kept being told things like, "sorry mate, I buy from a regular".

No idea who that might be.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Rory on April 01, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
I was sworn off H&V in around 2005 by a friend who claimed to have had an argument with Dave Woodhall. I started browsing around 2008ish and quickly realised (for various reasons) that my friend was a twat and H&V is great.

All's well that ends well.

Could you narrow it down a bit?

Haha I'm not sure. He was a seller, briefly. His brother had a season ticket in the Upper Holte but was secretly converting into a nose (and a BNP member) so I used to use his ST quite regularly.

The only time I went along with him selling H&V, he was standing by the Holte/Witton corner. Didn't get much custom, kept being told things like, "sorry mate, I buy from a regular".

No idea who that might be.

No, I doubt he would've made much of an impression. About 16 at the time, and a twat. Hardly in short supply, generally speaking!
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on April 01, 2020, 05:06:06 PM
I joined Manila in about 2000 I think. The number of posters was very small, compared to now (dial up etc.).

I do remember that there was another H&V site (that featured the likes of Hawkesey) that was confusing. It was merged when Manila folded, from (probably faulty) memory.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2020, 05:27:01 PM
Two different Heroes and Villains sites? It's bad enough now with those Villatalk splitters!
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on April 01, 2020, 05:29:58 PM
Two different Heroes and Villains sites? It's bad enough now with those Villatalk splitters!

It was notably inferior to Manila!

P.S. H&V is my cyber home and always appreciated.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: chrisw1 on April 01, 2020, 05:51:40 PM
I joined Manila in about 2000 I think. The number of posters was very small, compared to now (dial up etc.).

I do remember that there was another H&V site (that featured the likes of Hawkesey) that was confusing. It was merged when Manila folded, from (probably faulty) memory.
Yes that's right.  A few from the other site I think were Nasty Lee, Mazrim, Hawkesey and others.  Was never sure how the merger came about.  It was a bit like being thrown together at a teenage party, but I thought they were mostly ok.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Damo70 on April 01, 2020, 06:00:57 PM
I think I first joined in 2009/2010 time. I was still a bit of an internet newbie/latecomer. I was Damo for a few weeks but then was unable to log in (due to my own incompetence probably) so had to reinvent myself as Damo70.

I still cock up quotes, struggle with posting links and have not got the first idea of how to post a picture.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Legion on April 01, 2020, 06:13:36 PM
I joined Manila in about 2000 I think. The number of posters was very small, compared to now (dial up etc.).

I do remember that there was another H&V site (that featured the likes of Hawkesey) that was confusing. It was merged when Manila folded, from (probably faulty) memory.
Yes that's right.  A few from the other site I think were Nasty Lee, Mazrim, Hawkesey and others.  Was never sure how the merger came about.  It was a bit like being thrown together at a teenage party, but I thought they were mostly ok.

I don't remember that but they were on here. Hawkesey was a Moderator, Mazrim was a short-arse and Nasty Lee still posts every now and then.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Legion on April 01, 2020, 06:14:44 PM
I think I first joined in 2009/2010 time. I was still a bit of an internet newbie/latecomer. I was Damo for a few weeks but then was unable to log in (due to my own incompetence probably) so had to reinvent myself as Damo70.

I still cock up quotes, struggle with posting links and have not got the first idea of how to post a picture.

Not noticed the 'How to?' stickied thread in off-topic?
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dicedlam on April 01, 2020, 06:24:47 PM
I don't remember Mazrim being on the BBB site. NastyLee and Hawkesey yes. I think Fletch also made his debut on the site too.

Someone mentioned earlier that they were surprised that there were two sites. Basically, the main manila site was very much along the lines of the discussion site on here (all things Villa. match threads, player rating, general villa threads etc) and The Biggest Billboard was more like 'Off-Topic' with a mixture of Villa related news.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Legion on April 01, 2020, 06:26:23 PM
Actually that is ringing bells now. As in I am remembering it as opposed to that McGrath-awful TBAR.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Stu on April 01, 2020, 06:27:31 PM
Mazrim was a good poster and it's a shame he no longer posts on here. I think I saw his name on TBAR a few years ago.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 01, 2020, 06:33:28 PM
I first joined yonks ago, but rarely posted (maybe a dozen posts in total) and mainly lurked without logging in. Then a few mates were on that Rivals site so I joined and posted there. When that shut I couldn't remember any of my log in details on here so set up this account early in 2009. Pretty sure I also joined VT and VV around the Rivals time but didn't like either of them.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: chrisw1 on April 01, 2020, 06:49:53 PM
Mazrim was a good poster and it's a shame he no longer posts on here. I think I saw his name on TBAR a few years ago.
yeah, I liked Mazrim.  Very no nonsence and a little bit angry.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 01, 2020, 06:51:03 PM
I thought he came across as quite short in his posts.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 01, 2020, 07:07:11 PM
Mazrim was a good poster and it's a shame he no longer posts on here. I think I saw his name on TBAR a few years ago.
yeah, I liked Mazrim.  Very no nonsence and a little bit angry.

I enjoyed his posts as well.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: PaulTheVillan on April 01, 2020, 07:50:15 PM
Happy Birthday!

Been a member since 2007, I don't think the look and feel has changed since then?

If it's not broke :)
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Rotterdam 82 on April 02, 2020, 01:06:08 AM
Belated happy birthday/anniversary to the wonderful H & V.

Just reading through this thread has reminded me of another couple of fan sites from the 2000's. Anyone remember the VBB forum which I think was run by Ian "Hammer" or The Collective which was run by Ian Galloway? If I remember correctly, both of them had forums for Villa & blues, while VBB also had a rather underused forum for baggies too.

Jeez, that's made me feel really old now.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: JD on April 02, 2020, 07:19:43 AM
Mazrim was a good poster and it's a shame he no longer posts on here. I think I saw his name on TBAR a few years ago.
yeah, I liked Mazrim.  Very no nonsence and a little bit angry.

Mazrim, I remember he threatened to throw someone down the stairs at Villa Park, still makes me laugh.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: WarszaVillan on April 02, 2020, 08:32:01 AM
How many people have been posting since the very beginning? The Ken Barlows and Ian Beales, if you will

I'm old enough to remember your cakes :)
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
Mazrim and Mark Fletcher are missed. Very funny fellas. Can't remember if they left in a strop or they had better and busier lives than the rest of us.
And maybe time to bring Peter W in from the cold.
 
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 02, 2020, 09:41:17 AM
Mazrim and Mark Fletcher are missed. Very funny fellas. Can't remember if they left in a strop or they had better and busier lives than the rest of us.
And maybe time to bring Peter W in from the cold.
 

Bring back Peter W!
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: chrisw1 on April 02, 2020, 09:53:01 AM
Mazrim is going strong on Villa Talk with 2,500 posts (and an excellent community reputation - not sure how that voting works over there?)
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2020, 09:54:34 AM
Mazrim is going strong on Villa Talk with 2,500 posts (and an excellent community reputation - not sure how that voting works over there?)

It's just 'likes' on posts.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 02, 2020, 10:15:13 AM
Been a member since 2007, I don't think the look and feel has changed since then?

If it's not broke :)

That's a great point re the layout/look which is great. All the other football forums I've been on are a bit of a mess compared to H&V.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: UK Redsox on April 02, 2020, 12:28:29 PM
I joined Manila in about 2000 I think. The number of posters was very small, compared to now (dial up etc.).


Ah...the joys of dial-up modems.

Around 2001, BT were still making you log off and log back on again every two hours.

I was normally in the office by 06:30 and was a regular email contributor to an over-night sports talk radio show in LA
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2020, 01:31:04 PM
Been a member since 2007, I don't think the look and feel has changed since then?

If it's not broke :)

That's a great point re the layout/look which is great. All the other football forums I've been on are a bit of a mess compared to H&V.

Even better when you're a Muppet.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2020, 01:32:01 PM
Mazrim is going strong on Villa Talk with 2,500 posts (and an excellent community reputation - not sure how that voting works over there?)

Oh, so he must have stropped off here. Pity. His bruv posted in his wake for a while I think.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Stu on April 02, 2020, 03:33:22 PM
Just clocked that Mooney posts on VT.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Deano's Mullet on April 02, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
I started buying H and V in 1990. I think my first issue was the end of season review edition. As for online i reckon it would have been about 2005 ish. I think. I couldnt imagine a day without visiting it at  least half a dozen times.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 02, 2020, 03:44:57 PM
Mazrim is going strong on Villa Talk with 2,500 posts (and an excellent community reputation - not sure how that voting works over there?)

Oh, so he must have stropped off here. Pity. His bruv posted in his wake for a while I think.

He never did strop off, though. He just stopped posting.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 02, 2020, 04:38:11 PM
Belated happy birthday/anniversary to the wonderful H & V.

Just reading through this thread has reminded me of another couple of fan sites from the 2000's. Anyone remember the VBB forum which I think was run by Ian "Hammer" or The Collective which was run by Ian Galloway? If I remember correctly, both of them had forums for Villa & blues, while VBB also had a rather underused forum for baggies too.

Jeez, that's made me feel really old now.

I started off on the Collective, which I recall trundled on until about 2006, and was on the VBB for a bit, which I think was after the Collective, but did not really take off. My join date for here is 2005, but I remember the site crashing once, and we all had to re-sign, so I must have been on here a few years earlier.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: usav on April 02, 2020, 05:39:15 PM
I was there in the Manila days. Not sure exactly when, though.
Same, 99 for sure, but could have been 98.
Title: Re: Happy Birthday H&V
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on April 02, 2020, 06:20:11 PM
Mazrim is going strong on Villa Talk with 2,500 posts (and an excellent community reputation - not sure how that voting works over there?)

Oh, so he must have stropped off here. Pity. His bruv posted in his wake for a while I think.

He never did strop off, though. He just stopped posting.

I think Maz hopped it to TBAR, but unusually for hoppees, didn't come back to deliver vitriol.

Like his band Cudamantra, which suited his online persona perfectly.
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