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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on February 22, 2020, 04:54:32 PM
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Just fucking dreadful. Staring relegation squarely in the face. We are begging to be discarded from this division. Dean Smith is completely and entirely out of his depth as a PL football manager. He simply does not have a clue.
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Awful. No redeeming features whatsoever. I'd be tempted to bin Dean Smith now, because I cannot see us getting anything other than relegated.
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Just fucking dreadful. Staring relegation squarely in the face. We are begging to be discarded from this division. Dean Smith is completely and entirely out of his depth as a PL football manager. He simply does not have a clue.
There is no reason to keep him. OUT.
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Fucking embarrassing. There was not one redeeming feature in that.
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When we lost to West Brom at home in September 2015 I thought that was a game that spelt out relegation.
Today is the same.
We made one of the worst performing home teams in the league look a very good team today.
I feared the Son goal last week had broken our spirit but today was even worse performance than I thought possible.
Just Leicester and Chelsea up next. Oh and Man. City in the cup final.
Blown any momentum from those late Leicester and Watford wins which really is unforgivable.
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Blame lies firmly at the foot of the owners. He should have been sacked in December before the transfer window. Brentford certainly haven’t missed him.
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1-5 aggregate against Southampton this season. Says it all really. We are down.
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Don't particularly like any of our players besides Jack and Mings.
Am not a Smith fan at all, though would love him to turn it all around.
As for..nah, fuck it. A shit match, shit performance, lack of desire, passion, energy, and above all, ability.
Final will be a struggle next week if we play like that.
Up the Villa. Rouse yourselves Villa, you fuckers.
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No positives to take from that at all. Against opponents with the worst home record we just never turned up. The side is so bereft of quality it's saddening and poor old Dean Smith looks inadequate at this level. I genuinely wonder where our next point is coming from.
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Purslow, time to show your bottle.
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Still out of the bottom three. Another game closer to survival. Keep it up lads, great effort.
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Sourhampton 35 shots, Villa-lite 4.
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I've seen a lot of shit in my time - lots of dog owners in the area - but that was a real foul, acrid, sloppy turd out there today.
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Absolute feckin' shambles. Again.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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I've tried to be positive, but today was key for me. It's the manner of defeat which is of concern. Any chance of staying up he needs to bin this 3 at the back nonsense , but I fear we are hurtling towards the championship now.
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TWENTY EIGHT shots conceded says it all really
Only the equal ineptness of the other teams around us can save us because we look incapable of doing it for ourselves
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Don't particularly like any of our players besides Jack and Mings.
Am not a Smith fan at all, though would love him to turn it all around.
As for..nah, fuck it. A shit match, shit performance, lack.of desire, passion, energy, and above all, ability.
Final will be a struggle next week if we play like that.
Up the Villa. Rouse yourselves Villa, you fuckers.
A struggle? We play like that next week and we’ll lose by 10.
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It pains me to say it but I think Dean Smith is finished here. A single shot on target at a time when we simply need to be competing for points.
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I really thought we’d get a performance today. Clearly not...I dread to think what Man City will do to us next week. If they batter us then Dean has to go. I know it’s probably too late but we are going down as it stands.
Still not sending my Wembley ticket back though....😂
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Utter detritus. 3 points out of a possible 18 against the combined might of Watford , Southampton and Bournemouth. Last Chance Saloon now open for business.
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We are very clearly getting worse. It looks like we have, as a team, just given up frankly.
Sack him now, maybe we salvage enough to stay up, but the last few weeks have been absolutely unacceptable.
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Not getting on the manager out bandwagon, pointless at this stage in the season imo and the same posters say after most poor results. But performance wise looking likely now and feel utterly deflated (understatement of the year). Only saving grace is Bournemouth’s result and I would hope Man Utd and Liverpool doing us favours in the coming days, if those results go as would be expected it’s as you were in terms of the table more or less. But it’s difficult in the cold light of that performance to see where the next result is coming from. FFS!!!!!
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Fucking awful from start to finish. Sack Smith tonight, he's approaching Lambert and Sherwood levels of utter incompetence. Bin him and use the two weeks before the next league game to get somebody in who can organise and motivate the players for the last few matches.
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Dean Smith is not going to be sacked. And neither should he.
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Haven’t posted here for a while but that was dreadful
We never looked like scoring, even the ‘reliable’ Reina had a mare with his decision making today
Sleepwalking to the championship and back to where small heath have a chance at us again
Really bad day
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Smith is nowhere near the quality of manager we need to survive in this league, and I'm starting to question Jack as captain too. Take your claret and blue specs off, and yes, whilst its romantic to have Villa supporters in those roles, neither of them are good enough for the job at hand.
Could you imagine Roy Keane or even John Terry casually brushing aside a performance like that - They need a rocket both in the dressing room AND on the pitch - Mings would be our best option imo.
No hiding now. Smith has HIS players on the pitch, yet 2 of our best aren't even his signings (Jack and John).
Our only hope, is McGinn comes back into the side..... and it's the McGinn from the first half a dozen games of the season, not the one he'd become prior to his injury!
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To not be able to muster a single shot against a team that has the worst home record in the league is criminal.
To not have the nouse to be able to set your team up to be able to create one single chance against a team with the worst home record in the league is ineptness.
To concede 20 odd chances to this lot is fucking abysmal.
There is no defence for him anymore. It is his totally his squad and his team.
They are shit, he is shit and it’s time to say goodby to him.
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We've lost games this season where there have been plenty of positive aspects, despite the defeat. Today was not one of them. First half was as bad as I've seen us play under Smith, second half marginally better (but that wasn't difficult), but we never really looked threatening despite having more of the ball.
Play like that another six or seven times and we're down. Our chances to perform are slowly disappearing.
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Gutless and completely expected. I can't believe how much space out of possession this team gives the opposition. You have to point the finger at Suso, Smith and his coaching team and everyone who picks up up there money who steps onto that pitch.
El Ghazi today tells you all you need to know about this team...they're going down without a fight.
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Two post match threads and I pick the wrong bloody one.....Oh well...Smith out!!!!
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We have some talent in the squad beyond Grealish but they're all simply too young/inexperienced to play week in week out at this level.
El Ghazi and Luiz imo have terrific games last week. Both were awful today and El Ghazi gave up after half an hour.
Steady eddie types might not have much resale value but we needed a few of them in the summer to balance out the squad. Said before but Gary Cahill would've been perfect stop gap signing for two years.
We've learnt nothing from 2015 signings imo.
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BBC Sport Stats:
Match Stats
Home Team Southampton
Away Team Aston Villa
Possession
Home 46%
Away 54%
Shots
Home 28
Away 4
Shots on Target
Home 9
Away 1
Corners
Home 9
Away 6
Fouls
Home 13
Away 17
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Don't particularly like any of our players besides Jack and Mings.
Am not a Smith fan at all, though would love him to turn it all around.
As for..nah, fuck it. A shit match, shit performance, lack.of desire, passion, energy, and above all, ability.
Final will be a struggle next week if we play like that.
Up the Villa. Rouse yourselves Villa, you fuckers.
A struggle? We play like that next week and we’ll lose by 10.
Haha. I was using all my efforts to be positive for once.
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Are we still top of the form table?
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Not getting on the manager out bandwagon, pointless at this stage in the season imo and the same posters say after most poor results. But performance wise looking likely now and feel utterly deflated (understatement of the year). Only saving grace is Bournemouth’s result and I would hope Man Utd and Liverpool doing us favours in the coming days, if those results go as would be expected it’s as you were in terms of the table more or less. But it’s difficult in the cold light of that performance to see where the next result is coming from. FFS!!!!!
It's not pointless. Pointless is sticking whilst there is a chance.
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It pains me to say it but I think Dean Smith is finished here. A single shot on target at a time when we simply need to be competing for points.
He should be finished, but I bet he isn't. What's more, I fully expect the clowns who are supposedly running the show will keep him on next year when we're back in the Championship.
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Just coming out of the ground now. I’ve been the first to accuse others on here of being hysterical this season but on the off chance that one of those ****** out there today (or in the management team) read this you’re a fucking disgrace and unfit to wear the shirt on that display. No tactics, no game plan, no movement. Biggest culprit of them all was Reina for strolling back after coming up for a corner. Disgraceful. Dread to think what’s going to happen next week. For the first time this season I’ve resigned myself to the fact we’re going down. A shameful embarrassment.
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His body language at half time gave a lot away. As the players walked off he had his hands in his pockets, shrugging his shoulders and head bowed. Completely and utterly out of his depth and judging by that performance, he's lost the dressing room. He must go now and if he had any self-respect, he would resign.
I really fear for us next week.
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Southampton had 28 shots.
Southampton.
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I hate everything... I am going to bed.
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Err, so we’re proper fucked then by the looks of it.
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I hate everything... I am going to bed.
Don't have a hate wank.
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Get Allardyce in to bore us to survival. It’s our only hope.
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He's got exactly the same gormless, troubled look on his face that Bruce had when he'd run out of ideas as well.
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Dean Smith needs to go now and it must be this weekend, giving the next manager time to survive, we then need to appoint the right kind of manager who's sole strength and attribute is Premiership survival, as disagreeable as this is I would get Sam Allardyce on the phone, spell it out to him and leave him under no illusion he will be well rewarded if he keeps us up, come the summer we go again and then look for a longer term manager, I don't know of anybody else with his kind of experience, available and would take this job, ugly football as it would be, we can still survive but its getting very narrow indeed.
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I hate everything... I am going to bed.
Don't have a hate wank.
Post of the week. Well done
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Very poor and simply not f-cking good enough from the 11 on the pitch and the entire bench including management!
The stats are embarrassing and the final score probably flattered us (didn't see the game).
F-cking annoyed!
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Very poor and simply not f-cking good enough from the 11 on the pitch and the entire bench including management!
The stats are embarrassing and the final score probably flattered us (didn't see the game).
F-cking annoyed!
4-0 would have flattered us.
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Get Allardyce in to bore us to survival. It’s our only hope.
I’ll think it might have to come to that.
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Thanks for last season, Dean.
All the best in the future, Jack.
Here we go again. We are a revolving cycle of dog turd.
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I'd seriously consider dropping 6 or 7 of them for the final. Not to prioritise the league, but to punish the ****** for that "effort" today.
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There’s a rumour on Twitter that Smith and Terry had a bust up in the tunnel and had to be separated.
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I should be looking forward to a cup final but I'm dreading it. We're going to get humiliated.
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Are we still top of the form table?
Will probably be bottom of it after the next two games.
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Get Allardyce in to bore us to survival. It’s our only hope.
I’ll think it might have to come to that.
After today the worst possible thing we can do, is do nothing, it has to be done.
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Sack him , its the only hope we have of staying up now ...that was a disaster..again
We are a badly coached team , yes individuals makes mistakes but overall we are so poor its not just individuals it's the lack of coherent tactics .We have one tactic give it to Jack who today was marked out of the game and so we did nothing of any note going forward.
The 5 at the back got us a few results but has been creaking for a while and was fully exposed today.It leaves the CM exposed and out manned , the first 10 mins we couldnt hold the ball for 30 seconds.If the CM can't get on the ball then the front 3 are left all at sea.
For me over the whole 90 mins that on par with Watford away as complete shite
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Last week was best game I’ve seen this season. Today was a car crash, terrible. DW nailed it last week in his article where he was saying we don’t quite match the top sides, get dragged down against the shit sides and end up with no points. That match was a stinker.
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To concede 52 goals this season and give the opposition the amount of chances we do (25 + today) clearly shows we are set up all wrong yet the coaching staff and manager don't seem to do anything about it. Each week we are wider open than Katie Prices' knees. I would have loved DS to succeed here but that is clearly not going to happen. The pronouncements by Purslow sound more crazy as each goes by and we just look so small time. Everton had problems earlier this season and went out and got a top manager but we persist with a guy whose CV is Walsall and Brentford.
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Don't think they'll fire him in the lead up to cup final (though they should).
But to give a bit of hope, Edens isn't shy at ditching managers. He sacked the Milwaukee Bucks manager who was doing an okay, mid-table mediocrity kind of job, back in January 2018.... They replaced him with a new guy and are now sitting pretty at the top of the Eastern Conference in the NBA.
Hopefully, our stubborness to get rid isn't just down to the shackles of FFP. How could that be in the best interests of a football club whereby we have to keep hold of a shit manager who is steering us straight for relegation, just to avoid FFP sanctions which would probably relegate us instead! Utter bollocks.
Fuck FFP, fuck VAR, fuck Dean Smith, fuck El Ghazi, fuck AVFC... FUCK football!
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"Dean Smith and John Terry were just involved in a huge bust up, in the Southampton tunnel. The row threatened to get physical until the two men were pulled apart, by Southampton officials!"
Mark Regan - BBC WM
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Get Allardyce in to bore us to survival. It’s our only hope.
I’ll think it might have to come to that.
We need to stop conceding bucket loads of chances to have any hope of nicking wins so Allardyce might be the answer and I never thought I’d say that
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"Dean Smith and John Terry were just involved in a huge bust up, in the Southampton tunnel. The row threatened to get physical until the two men were pulled apart, by Southampton officials!"
Mark Regan - BBC WM
Beautiful
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There’s a rumour on Twitter that Smith and Terry had a bust up in the tunnel and had to be separated.
Footage on Twitter
https://twitter.com/nocontextavfc_/status/1231267139908227073?s=21
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Reina 5 - very sloppy distribution and communication with Mings in particular seemed totally off. Made a couple of good saves, mind.
Guilbert 4 - torn apart by Djenepo throughout. Really poor on the ball too.
Konsa 4 - back to his very worst, no awareness of runners around him, dreadful for the goal.
Mings 5 - all over the place, poor on ball, poor clearances, a lot of pointing but not much leadership
Hause 5 - out of his depth at this level, tried manfully when out of position
Targett 5 - very limited player, did ok at times on the ball but never a threat going forward
Luiz 2 - shameful lack of application, letting Adams turn him for the second goal instead of taking the yellow summed him up.
Nakamba 4 - such a limited player, stuck to the ground and his ball control is abysmal
AEG 3 - thought he was doing ok up to his 'injury' but that took the piss
Trez 5 - in fairness to him he kept going anyway but such a limited player
Samatta 6 - a pity we couldn't get him into the game more as he looked lively
Grealish 6 - very good in first half but having moved centrally in the second he was anonymous . Thought he jacked it in to be honest.
Hourihane 6 - should have passed to Grealish for that chance but definitely improved things in midfield when he came on.
Smith 3 - tactical rabble and a dispirited team. Unacceptable performance but tactically he isn't helping them. For example, when AEG wouldn't come back on surely he should have brought Hourihane on then and changed our shape given the trouble we were in. No change at half time, another 15-20mins wasted until finally the change was made.
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"Dean Smith and John Terry were just involved in a huge bust up, in the Southampton tunnel. The row threatened to get physical until the two men were pulled apart, by Southampton officials!"
Mark Regan - BBC WM
As if it couldn’t get more embarrassing.
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[insert your 'more fight in the tunnel than on the pitch' joke here]
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He’s lost the plot. He’s on sky saying he can’t remember many clear cut chances for them in the first half.
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"Dean Smith and John Terry were just involved in a huge bust up, in the Southampton tunnel. The row threatened to get physical until the two men were pulled apart, by Southampton officials!"
Mark Regan - BBC WM
As if it couldn’t get more embarrassing.
I'm going to have a chat with Jameson. He might come back if that's true.
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Smith..."My feelings are embarrassment. It was a dreadful performance. We never competed well enough, never showed enough desire to get on the ball. The thing that hurt me the most was the lack of fight. That is the lowest of the low."
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"Dean Smith and John Terry were just involved in a huge bust up, in the Southampton tunnel. The row threatened to get physical until the two men were pulled apart, by Southampton officials!"
Mark Regan - BBC WM
As if it couldn’t get more embarrassing.
I wonder how Smith will play that one if asked in the Post Match interview , no doubt play it down.
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"Dean Smith and John Terry were just involved in a huge bust up, in the Southampton tunnel. The row threatened to get physical until the two men were pulled apart, by Southampton officials!"
Mark Regan - BBC WM
Smells of bullshit.
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Terry is a ******. Smith has no clue.
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Smith..."My feelings are embarrassment. It was a dreadful performance. We never competed well enough, never showed enough desire to get on the ball. The thing that hurt me the most was the lack of fight. That is the lowest of the low."
Least that’s honest.
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Regan has just denied reporting that
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Smith, "Some of the players have played themselves out of the cup final"
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Smith..."My feelings are embarrassment. It was a dreadful performance. We never competed well enough, never showed enough desire to get on the ball. The thing that hurt me the most was the lack of fight. That is the lowest of the low."
about sums it up
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Denied the opportunity of his customary whinge about the officials he had no option but to be brutally honest.
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It seemed like they were going at only 20% as they didn't want to get injured and miss the final. We've let in more goals in games but that was probably the worst I've seen us play this season.
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Smith..."My feelings are embarrassment. It was a dreadful performance. We never competed well enough, never showed enough desire to get on the ball. The thing that hurt me the most was the lack of fight. That is the lowest of the low."
Least that’s honest.
Thing is, he has to be ‘honest’ too often.
What’s HE doing about it?
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Denied the opportunity of his customary whinge about the officials he had no option but to be brutally honest.
He did have a moan about a Trezeguet offside.
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Smith, "Some of the players have played themselves out of the cup final"
Agreed. But he should have also 'managed' himself out of Bodymoor Heath.
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Denied the opportunity of his customary whinge about the officials he had no option but to be brutally honest.
He did have a moan about a Trezeguet offside.
Old habits die hard I guess.
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Smith..."My feelings are embarrassment. It was a dreadful performance. We never competed well enough, never showed enough desire to get on the ball. The thing that hurt me the most was the lack of fight. That is the lowest of the low."
It's brutally honest but should have been delivered in the dressing room. Young millionaires don't like being called out like that by a manager. Tends to go only one way afterwards
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Smith..."My feelings are embarrassment. It was a dreadful performance. We never competed well enough, never showed enough desire to get on the ball. The thing that hurt me the most was the lack of fight. That is the lowest of the low."
It's brutally honest but should have been delivered in the dressing room. Young millionaires don't like being called out like that by a manager. Tends to go only one way afterwards
I'm pretty sure it was brutal then that in the dressing room.
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Time’s up
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The definition of insanity "Doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different result"
Week after week Dean keeps the same shape which constantly exposes our midfield and as a result it was 28 shots this week and 23 last week. That in itself is cause for making a change.
As for the recruitment policy it was so amateurish to buy all players with no premier league experience. He could have added some wise heads in midfield but instead we buy Luiz, Nakamba, Trez, El Ghazi with a sum total of zero premier league games.
I hope the owners take decisive action to protect their investment.
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An Allardyce /Terry combination might work
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An Allardyce /Terry combination might work
Is when I give up
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It's all well for DS to give a brutally honest post-match interview, but it's up to HIM to get his players motivated, fit & properly organised. Sadly, it seems that any authority & respect that he may have once had has now completely evaporated.
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The definition of insanity "Doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different result"
Week after week Dean keeps the same shape which constantly exposes our midfield and as a result it was 28 shots this week and 23 last week. That in itself is cause for making a change.
As for the recruitment policy it was so amateurish to buy all players with no premier league experience. He could have added some wise heads in midfield but instead we buy Luiz, Nakamba, Trez, El Ghazi with a sum total of zero premier league games.
I hope the owners take decisive action to protect their investment.
Agree on all fronts.
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An Allardyce /Terry combination might work
Yep.
For 3 months, keep us up then in the 🗑
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An Allardyce /Terry combination might work
I don't think Allardyce would tolerate Terry anywhere near the setup.
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Just heading out of Southampton now.
What a bunch of bottle jobs.
Absolutely pitiful effort.
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Throwing players under the bus in the post match interview is all abit too Bruce like for me ..
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Fucking fuming after watching that, so much wrong but the most worrying one is that teams are carving us open far to easily week after week and we are doing nothing to alter it, 20+ shots regularly against us is nothing short of pathetic.
I think we brought some absolute naff in the summer. I cant take to Trezeguet at all, he gave away so many stupid free kicks.
Jacks worst game of the season for me aswell, lost the ball time and time again, when he plays like that there is no other fucker to step up.
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It is going to be gutting - 42,000 week in week out, and back down to the Championship minus all our decent players.
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Someone has lost the dressing room. Is my view.
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The definition of insanity "Doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different result"
Week after week Dean keeps the same shape which constantly exposes our midfield and as a result it was 28 shots this week and 23 last week. That in itself is cause for making a change.
As for the recruitment policy it was so amateurish to buy all players with no premier league experience. He could have added some wise heads in midfield but instead we buy Luiz, Nakamba, Trez, El Ghazi with a sum total of zero premier league games.
I hope the owners take decisive action to protect their investment.
Agree on all fronts.
I hope that decisive action to protect their investment doesn't mean taking it out and walking away.
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Footyskillz would do a better job
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I said back in August that our season would be defined by how we did against, amongst others, the south coast trio. Well that's now Brighton and Southampton who've done the double over us.
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Throwing players under the bus in the post match interview is all abit too Bruce like for me ..
They're equally to blame for the gutless fucks they are. You shouldn't need to be managed to run harder and compete against your opponents.
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I said back in August that our season would be defined by how we did against, amongst others, the south coast trio. Well that's now Brighton and Southampton who've done the double over us.
I think you mean Bournemouth & Southampton...
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Someone has lost the dressing room. Is my view.
Yes, it is hard to disagree with that.
The giveaway is the total lack of energy and fight.
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I said back in August that our season would be defined by how we did against, amongst others, the south coast trio. Well that's now Brighton and Southampton who've done the double over us.
Do you mean Bournemouth and Saints?
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I said back in August that our season would be defined by how we did against, amongst others, the south coast trio. Well that's now Brighton and Southampton who've done the double over us.
Bournemouth not Brighton but I take your point.
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Smith, "Some of the players have played themselves out of the cup final"
What a happy trip back to Brum
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Someone has lost the dressing room. Is my view.
Yes, it is hard to disagree with that.
The giveaway is the total lack of energy and fight.
Yep. The sheer passive lethargy of it all suggests it’s over.
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Smith, "Some of the players have played themselves out of the cup final"
What a happy trip back to Brum
Normally you might think, "yes! some consequences from that shit!" but it probably means Drinkwater instead of Luiz and Trezeguet instead of El-Ghazi (who is probably going to be out with a lightly brushed cheek anyway).
And we'll see exactly the same piss poor featherweight midfield that has seen us concede over 25 shots in both our last two games.
Only this time it'll be a team who will make the most of it.
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Simply by sanctioning the signing of Drinkwater, Smith needs to go. Let's be honest much of this season has been abysmal. Even if by some miracle we win the cup and end up being relegated I would hope the owners thoroughly review their managerial and coaching options in the summer.
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El Ghazi really shouldn't be allowed to play for the rest of the season, the massive, massive fanny. He makes Patrick Bamford look like Vinnie Jones. When our two best players are shouting at him to get up, I can't really see a way back.
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We simply have to change the manager to even have the slightest hope of staying up.
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El Ghazi really shouldn't be allowed to play for the rest of the season, the massive, massive fanny. He makes Patrick Bamford look like Vinnie Jones. When our two best players are shouting at him to get up, I can't really see a way back.
That was another sign there's something seriously wrong in the dressing room.
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Could be messy at Wembley next weekend
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Its like groundhog day
After ever defeat we bemoan our fate and say we are doomed.
Give D.S his day out at the cup final and then put someone in charge to keep us up.
The current Management team can not get the passion or the fight from this lot.
Why is it that every team seems to have a couple of nasty fuckers who give it their all, but with the exception of Jack and Mings our lot are so docile
We really have an inexperienced, clueless lot,players and staff.
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Smith, "Some of the players have played themselves out of the cup final"
That was the plan all along, so they can avoid being involved in a thrashing!
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Smith, "Some of the players have played themselves out of the cup final"
What a happy trip back to Brum
Normally you might think, "yes! some consequences from that shit!" but it probably means Drinkwater instead of Luiz and Trezeguet instead of El-Ghazi (who is probably going to be out with a lightly brushed cheek anyway).
And we'll see exactly the same piss poor featherweight midfield that has seen us concede over 25 shots in both our last two games.
Only this time it'll be a team who will make the most of it.
Drinkwater is cup-tied & other than Jack & Mings nobody is worthy of their place next week.
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Crikey what a poor day.
Queued like you were at the Hawthorns to get in. Two Villa fans squaring up on the aisle before a ball was kicked. Then Hause letting a ball bounce inside the box to create completely unnecessary panic and disorganization that we didn't recover from, organisationally.
Konsa completed the obvious unforced error, one of many that we gift sides multiple times a game, so naturally Long scored as a result of it.
We recycled possession so cheaply. We were so lightweight in midfield that their three breezed past our two with ease.
It was really shambolic and we were so easily pressed. The Wing backs so deep. A diabolical effort. Somebody vomited at half time. I can understand their nausea.
Second half the wing backs were a touch higher, but we only got into the game when Hourihane came on and the system changed. I felt Southampton got very wasteful in possession and deeper, which enabled us to take up more of the ball. But it was utterly brainless. Douglas, Guilbert and Grealish, all very frustrating in their final ball. Trezuguet isn't good.enough, but neither is House or Konsa at this rate.
Being clear, there's a lot of blame to be shared. It was a woeful performance.
Outside there was some aggro, sparked by a racist Southampton fan gobbing off.
I know Engles made two bad errors, but he is a much better player than Hause or Konsa. I equally felt we were so slow in reacting to their press. We could have easily been 3-0 down at half time, rode our luck at points in the second, but we got into positions to have done so much better second half; Trezuguet, Hourihane, Grealish all so wasteful and brainless.
3 really poor defeats in a row and it wont improve away from.home at least, when we're so ready to gift goals through poor, poor, errors.
Lots of fighting amongst ourselves today too.
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Guus Hiddink is available might be an oldie but could get us out of the shit
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We're "Doing a Fulham".
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What happened with, We go again, from last week.
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Drinkwater is cup tied anyway I believe.
I don't think they are happy with El Gazi thats for sure
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What happened with, We go again, from last week.
We went again. Got fuck all, but went again none the less.
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Throwing players under the bus in the post match interview is all abit too Bruce like for me ..
They're equally to blame for the gutless fucks they are. You shouldn't need to be managed to run harder and compete against your opponents.
They are but it whilst he is telling the media the players where all shit , neatly avoids any examination of the tactics and coaching.We where awful today but today like all season we have been poor at the back and concede too many chances.
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Why can’t we just have nice things? Bloody depressing.
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Southampton has shit traffic. Fucking bag of wank. Saw the Corona lot being escorted up the A34, that was another portent of our doom today.
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Play well - lose.
Play badly -lose.
The consistent thing is we lose.
We need three big performances between now and the end of the season to stay up. Ideally with a few teams in the beach by the time we play them.
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I predicted a 2-0 defeat in the pre match thread. Not for one moment was I expecting that performance.
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The first 18 seconds were good.
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We failed to lay a finger on a side who lost 9-0 at home earlier in the season.
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The first 18 seconds were good.
That’s what my wife says to me.
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We’ll win next Sunday. Football is funny like that.
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We’ll win next Sunday. Football is funny like that.
It’ll be a hollow win if we end up going down.
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We’ll win next Sunday. Football is funny like that.
There'll be nothing funny about next Sunday...
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What more can be said about our players that hasn’t already been said? It’s all so predictable, we’re so feeble and lame that it hurts.
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We’ll win next Sunday. Football is funny like that.
Not a chance....
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https://www.skysports.com/football/soton-vs-a-villa/report/408249
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/11940587/smith-the-performances-were-terrible
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The reason we concede so many shots is that Marvellous is the Emperor’s New Clothes of a player. Provides zero protection just in front of the defence. And fuck all going forward. He didn’t want the ball today.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/11940704/villa-disappoint-lescott
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I haven’t watched the last vid posted that (I’m guessing) contains comments from Lescott.
The day has been bad enough without listening to that fucking waste of skin having his say on anything Villa.
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We are very poor. Players are not good enough for a tough premier league season. Some games we look good, but far to few. Today was an embarrassment. We needed experience on the pitch and in the dugout. We got neither, bar Heaton. A bad experiment, hopefully we stop up. I’m very worried. Maybe get rid & give to Terry for the rest of the season. I don’t believe we are stopping up.
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An Allardyce /Terry combination might work
Is when I give up
Me too Here we go again same old names no ambition
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We're "Doing a Fulham".
We’re now out-Fulhaming Fulham in the Fulham stakes.
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I hate everything... I am going to bed.
Don't have a hate wank.
This made me giggle. I'm such a child. Great gallows humour.
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In the main we've given a good account of ourselves & the players look motivated against the top sides. Spurs home & away. Liverpool at home. Man Utd / Arsenal / Leicester CCup.
Away from home we play like today more often than not. We know they can do it. So the question is why they can't be motivated for games like today?
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Our away support does far too much beak is a conclusion I've drawn. There can't be another away support so ready to knock lumps out of each other.
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The reason we concede so many shots is that Marvellous is the Emperor’s New Clothes of a player. Provides zero protection just in front of the defence. And fuck all going forward. He didn’t want the ball today.
He’s just not the player we need there. He’s busy, can get a foot in and and has decent enough passing but what we need there is an insanely athletic unit who never has a bad game, and he’s not that.
And given that he’s a one game on/one game off player that dean doesn’t seem to fancy that much, the fact we have zero cover for him reeks of the kind of thick as shit making it up as you go along incompetence that we as a club have perfected.
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I said back in August that our season would be defined by how we did against, amongst others, the south coast trio. Well that's now Brighton and Southampton who've done the double over us.
Do you mean Bournemouth and Saints?
Is what I meant. Sorry.
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The themes this season have been:
1. Playing well against the better teams, but losing due to poor management and naivety.
2. Playing badly against poor teams and losing because we’ve played shit.
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It’s never his fault is it? Never
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The themes this season have been:
1. Playing well against the better teams, but losing due to poor management and naivety.
2. Playing badly against poor teams and losing because we’ve played shit.
That’s quite a good summary.
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DS MOTD interview https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/51597464
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The themes this season have been:
1. Playing well against the better teams, but losing due to poor management and naivety.
2. Playing badly against poor teams and losing because we’ve played shit.
That’s quite a good summary.
Yes, i think that's a perfect summation of the season.
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The themes this season have been:
1. Playing well against the better teams, but losing due to poor management and naivety.
2. Playing badly against poor teams and losing because we’ve played shit.
The better teams gives us a bit more time on the ball especially Jack , we do ok against them but in the end we crumble late in the game
Other teams pressure us from the off as Soton did today , flood midfield , man mark Jack and exploit our lack of pace all other the pitch.
We want to play on the counter but have no pace to do it
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You can’t argue with his honesty there to be fair. I think he has called it right.
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Our away support does far too much beak is a conclusion I've drawn. There can't be another away support so ready to knock lumps out of each other.
It’s been going on for years and is depressing and embarrassing in equal measure.
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When we are shit we dont do things by halves. We even managed to drag one of the best players in the league this season down to that level, I have never seen Jack give the ball away so regularly as he did in the 2nd half. Now obviously we all know how fucking fantastic he is and him having a bad 45 is the complete opposite of how he has been for the rest of the season. But when hes struggling we do not have a single fucking solution as to what else to do.
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What I want to know is: even if Smith is sacked, who is the manager we need? And is he available? I'm definitely not in the sacking for sacking's sake group. That would be madness. And frankly, who would be better to bring us back up than Smith?
To me, the tactics and setup may be seen as naive in hindsight, but this should always be on the players. They determine their level of effort, their level of class, their level of bottle. And there's too many mentally fragile players out there, too many soft cases. Too many players bought with the championship in mind. It's no reflection on a player like Guilbert, for instance, but he was bought before promotion and we're clearly a year ahead of schedule. That means too many fringe PL players are playing major roles. That was never going to cut it.
Looking back at the transfer window buying policy, we honestly didn't do enough of a Fulham. We needed to go well past them to stand a chance of staying afloat.
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Worst performance of what is a poor season. Luis, Hause dreadful. Brilliant anything but, Reina mistake after mistake
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And frankly, who would be better to bring us back up than Smith?
What makes you say that? He's never finished higher than 5th has he?
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And frankly, who would be better to bring us back up than Smith?
What makes you say that? He's never finished higher than 5th has he?
Well, the last 'promotion specialist' that was supposed to do the trick was Bruce. Is that the kind of manager we're going to get saddled with?
Smith is 1-1 in promotion battles with the Villa. I'll take those kinds of odds any day.
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Our away support does far too much beak is a conclusion I've drawn. There can't be another away support so ready to knock lumps out of each other.
It’s been going on for years and is depressing and embarrassing in equal measure.
Today was my first away this season - and couldn’t agree more.
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Well, the last 'promotion specialist' that was supposed to do the trick was Bruce. Is that the kind of manager we're going to get saddled with?
Smith is 1-1 in promotion battles with the Villa. I'll take those kinds of odds any day.
It's not a proper argument though: of course if you suggest Bruce as the alternative no-one is going to go for that but he's not the only alternative is he.
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Well, the last 'promotion specialist' that was supposed to do the trick was Bruce. Is that the kind of manager we're going to get saddled with?
Smith is 1-1 in promotion battles with the Villa. I'll take those kinds of odds any day.
It's not a proper argument though: of course if you suggest Bruce as the alternative no-one is going to go for that but he's not the only alternative is he.
Which is why I asked the question. I'd like to see some names put forth that people believe would be legitimate options, and options we could keep if we still went down.
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Our away support does far too much beak is a conclusion I've drawn. There can't be another away support so ready to knock lumps out of each other.
It’s been going on for years and is depressing and embarrassing in equal measure.
Today was my first away this season - and couldn’t agree more.
According to stuff on Twitter it also sounds like some of our fans turned on the Villa on Tour boys today too.
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You can keep Smith and go down or make a change that might work as for Terry why would you keep a defensive coach that has given us the worst defence in the league. El Ghazi is the weakest prick a total front runner and should be left out next week. I don't know where we go from here but the bigger problem is neither does Dean Smith.
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Which is why I asked the question. I'd like to see some names put forth that people believe would be legitimate options, and options we could keep if we still went down.
There are dozens and dozens of very good managers on this list alone. Why do you think Smith is a better bet than any of them?
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik)
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Which is why I asked the question. I'd like to see some names put forth that people believe would be legitimate options, and options we could keep if we still went down.
There are dozens and dozens of very good managers on this list alone. Why do you think Smith is a better bet than any of them?
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik)
I was asking for opinions from those here on who they want. I know I can look at all sorts of lists, thanks for that. And I do believe Smith is arguably the best option to bring us back if we go down. We're a year ahead of schedule, and he's trying to build something. He needs time to see that build through.
So who do you want? And why? Anyone else have managers they'd like to see at Villa right now that are actually gettable?
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I was asking for opinions from those here on who they want. I know I can look at all sorts of lists, thanks for that. And I do believe Smith is arguably the best option to bring us back if we go down. We're a year ahead of schedule, and he's trying to build something. He needs time to see that build through.
So who do you want? And why? Anyone else have managers they'd like to see at Villa right now that are actually gettable?
If he takes us down we'll be a year behind schedule.
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I was asking for opinions from those here on who they want. I know I can look at all sorts of lists, thanks for that. And I do believe Smith is arguably the best option to bring us back if we go down. We're a year ahead of schedule, and he's trying to build something. He needs time to see that build through.
So who do you want? And why? Anyone else have managers they'd like to see at Villa right now that are actually gettable?
If he takes us down we'll be a year behind schedule.
And having to build yet again because we will have lost several more players as the teams above us pick our bones. It will be a real shitter losing the likes of Mings to Everton or Leicester. Jack to Man yew. If we go back down, there is an argument that we will be no better off than we were when we went down last time.
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Just got back and I haven't witnessed such a gutless performance in a long time, from the second minute onwards it was a lack of fight and skill.
Nakamba must have been given sleeping tablets before the game, he kept letting midfielders run past him without tracking back. If that was Drinkwater putting in that performance he would have been getting absolute pelters.
If we are going to stay up we will need some bloody good midfielders to replace the majority of what we have, they are just not good enough getting totally overrun pretty much every week now.
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We simply can't play v teams who press us manically.
When you think about it the only team with slow central midfielders we've played this season was Newcastle with Shelvey Issac Hayden combination and that was probably our most comfortable 90 minutes of the season. Probably Norwich away but they had lots of unfit players at the time and we got away in the VP game.
Actually Burnley don't have much athleticism in midfield with Westwood and we played well up there.
We simply can't compete against mobile midfields with physical players in them. What's worse today is Southampton had some kid making his debut in there today and moved Ward Prowse to right back.
We were so inept we couldn't exploit an out of position (and slow) midfielder at full back.
Was same in championship when you think how we struggled v likes of Fulham and Leeds down there who had quick passing midfields.
We have some decent players in there but they lack consistency and we don't have one solid combination so constantly have to take a Luiz or Nakamba out every other week. Hourihane is also rubbish against any sort of decent press.
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I was asking for opinions from those here on who they want. I know I can look at all sorts of lists, thanks for that. And I do believe Smith is arguably the best option to bring us back if we go down. We're a year ahead of schedule, and he's trying to build something. He needs time to see that build through.
So who do you want? And why? Anyone else have managers they'd like to see at Villa right now that are actually gettable?
If he takes us down we'll be a year behind schedule.
And having to build yet again because we will have lost several more players as the teams above us pick our bones. It will be a real shitter losing the likes of Mings to Everton or Leicester. Jack to Man yew. If we go back down, there is an argument that we will be no better off than we were when we went down last time.
The squad will be unrecognisable from today's team, as said, Mings, Jack, McGinn, Heaton, and probably a few others all gone, we will have to start again right from the bottom up, complete rebuild, then of course there is the massive financial hit, we lose our second payment for not staying up at which point Smith will probably be gone anyway, so why not act sooner rather than later, give ourselves a chance. 3 season it took to get here, financial ruin, near extinction of a great club, buy outs, act now or we will repent at our leisure, worse than that, can anybody actually face those sickening games again, waiting for some moron to dash on the pitch to smash one of the team in the face again, lets stay up ffs.
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I dont buy that at all, if we go down then we'll lose Jack without a doubt but we'll keep anybody else that we choose too.
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It's the case that two very good performances at VP that ended in unlucky defeats (Liverpool and Spurs at home) were followed by possibly our two worst performances of the season (Wolves and Southampton away), and it's pretty evident that this is a squad of players that spend quite an amount of time feeling sorry for themselves, have little or no confidence in each other, and display very little togetherness at the times when the chips are down and a bit of bottle is called for. For this the management must bear the ultimate responsibility. As of tonight, next Sunday hardly bears thinking about.
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Just back. Would be interested to know what was said between Conor and those fans in the corner.
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Exactly. If we were to go down, far from building something Smith will have dismantled something.
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I dont buy that at all, if we go down then we'll lose Jack without a doubt but we'll keep anybody else that we choose too.
So if we have the likes of Mings and others wanting Premiership football, demanding to be let go, we should keep them no matter what.
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I dont buy that at all, if we go down then we'll lose Jack without a doubt but we'll keep anybody else that we choose too.
So if we have the likes of Mings and others wanting Premiership football, demanding to be let go, we should keep them no matter what.
Our owners have already shown that they wont be fucked about in the transfer market, theres a massive inferiority complex amongst a big section of our support.
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We've now lost 43 of our last 65 top flight games and conceded 128 goals in them. That, is depressingly shit.
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I dont buy that at all, if we go down then we'll lose Jack without a doubt but we'll keep anybody else that we choose too.
So if we have the likes of Mings and others wanting Premiership football, demanding to be let go, we should keep them no matter what.
Our owners have already shown that they wont be fucked about in the transfer market, theres a massive inferiority complex amongst a big section of our support.
Then our owners are going to have a very unhappy ship, nothing worse than players showing discontent, I would be amazed if Premiership clubs come in for our better players and those player's want away because Villa are being relegated, they are told to stay. They will be sold, at the right price.
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I dont buy that at all, if we go down then we'll lose Jack without a doubt but we'll keep anybody else that we choose too.
So if we have the likes of Mings and others wanting Premiership football, demanding to be let go, we should keep them no matter what.
Our owners have already shown that they wont be fucked about in the transfer market, theres a massive inferiority complex amongst a big section of our support.
That's wishful thinking I'm afraid. There have been countless examples of players who don't want to stay at their club, and are coveted by other clubs, getting their move. There's nothing to be gained by keeping a player - who's almost certainly on big money - who doesn't want to be there. It's not for nothing that these days it's said that contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.
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We've now lost 43 of our last 65 top flight games and conceded 128 goals in them. That, is depressingly shit.
I think the club needs to fold. Someone turn the lights out. If we were a horse we'd have been shot and packaged into a tesco microwave meal a long time ago.
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I dont buy that at all, if we go down then we'll lose Jack without a doubt but we'll keep anybody else that we choose too.
So if we have the likes of Mings and others wanting Premiership football, demanding to be let go, we should keep them no matter what.
Our owners have already shown that they wont be fucked about in the transfer market, theres a massive inferiority complex amongst a big section of our support.
That's wishful thinking I'm afraid. There have been countless examples of players who don't want to stay at their club, and are coveted by other clubs, getting their move. There's nothing to be gained by keeping a player - who's almost certainly on big money - who doesn't want to be there. It's not for nothing that these days it's said that contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.
Absolutely correct, furthermore you get a player that doesn't want to be there, Pogba a case in question, you will not get a consistent performance from him no matter what you do, right club, right price , they're history.
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I dont buy that at all, if we go down then we'll lose Jack without a doubt but we'll keep anybody else that we choose too.
So if we have the likes of Mings and others wanting Premiership football, demanding to be let go, we should keep them no matter what.
Our owners have already shown that they wont be fucked about in the transfer market, theres a massive inferiority complex amongst a big section of our support.
Then our owners are going to have a very unhappy ship, nothing worse than players showing discontent, I would be amazed if Premiership clubs come in for our better players and those player's want away because Villa are being relegated, they are told to stay. They will be sold, at the right price.
Who is going to show discontent if we go? Theres only really Luiz that I believe has the attitude push for a move.
When Fulham went down who played there face for a move? Off the top of my head they sold Seesegnon but kept the likes of Cairney and Mitriovc.
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Who is going to show discontent if we go? Theres only really Luiz that I believe has the attitude push for a move.
When Fulham went down who played there face for a move? Off the top of my head they sold Seesegnon but kept the likes of Cairney and Mitriovc.
It could be any of them. Players who think they should be playing in the Premier League, players with international ambitions, some of our overseas players who haven't settled, players who have relegation clauses, players who get linked with top 6 clubs, you name it.
Generally speaking it'll be the players who know this is the best they're likely to get who won't make a fuss.
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Just home. That was utter, utter shit. The whole team and coaching staff should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Not a single exception or positive - you bunch of bastards.
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Can’t believe Reina is getting off so easily. His ‘effort’ to get back into goal after the corner that led to their second goal was shameful. If that’s the ‘experience’ he offers I'd rather he fucked back off to Italy and we played Nyland for the rest of the season.
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Can’t believe Reina is getting off so easily. His ‘effort’ to get back into goal after the corner that led to their second goal was shameful.
He was shite for the first but I have no issues with the 2nd.
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Can’t believe Reina is getting off so easily. His ‘effort’ to get back into goal after the corner that led to their second goal was shameful. If that’s the ‘experience’ he offers I'd rather he fucked back off to Italy and we played Nyland for the rest of the season.
His Kicking was poor all game which kept causing us issues ...
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Can’t believe Reina is getting off so easily. His ‘effort’ to get back into goal after the corner that led to their second goal was shameful. If that’s the ‘experience’ he offers I'd rather he fucked back off to Italy and we played Nyland for the rest of the season.
It was like he was on a different planet today. We were quite close behind the goal and his poor kicking was becoming laughable. The second goal was the just the icing on the cake today.
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I said back in August that our season would be defined by how we did against, amongst others, the south coast trio. Well that's now Brighton and Southampton who've done the double over us.
Erm, we beat and drew with Brighton? Maybe you mean Bournemouth
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Can’t believe Reina is getting off so easily. His ‘effort’ to get back into goal after the corner that led to their second goal was shameful.
He was shite for the first but I have no issues with the 2nd.
I managed to keep my cool until then when I gave him a piece of my mind. Not that he heard it from where I was standing I was so far back!
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We stink of relegation.
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The best thing about today was the full English breakfast we had at Frankie and Benny's Banbury on the way down.
The traffic in Southampton after the game made the whole day even worse.
I can't bring myself to talk about the game. I'm generally a "on to the next game" type after we lose, but that was the worst I've seen since the last relegation season.
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Dean Smith looked like a carbon copy of all our recent managers on the touchline, worried, puzzled what do I do now, will I get the sack today.
You cannot go from playing very well against Spurs one week to then play dreadfully against a team with a woeful home record without the management being questioned.
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We’ve now given Citeh a huge headache. They will have to field an under strength team v Real Madrid in the Champions League this week as they will surely need all the first teamers to be fit and ready to go against the mighty Villa!!!!
Answers on a postcard please.
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We've now lost 43 of our last 65 top flight games and conceded 128 goals in them. That, is depressingly shit.
Holy fucking shit. How bad is that?
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Which is why I asked the question. I'd like to see some names put forth that people believe would be legitimate options, and options we could keep if we still went down.
There are dozens and dozens of very good managers on this list alone. Why do you think Smith is a better bet than any of them?
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik)
I was asking for opinions from those here on who they want. I know I can look at all sorts of lists, thanks for that. And I do believe Smith is arguably the best option to bring us back if we go down. We're a year ahead of schedule, and he's trying to build something. He needs time to see that build through.
So who do you want? And why? Anyone else have managers they'd like to see at Villa right now that are actually gettable?
If he takes us down it's a total rebuild. We aren't ahead of owt.
Purslow might have said a year ahead of schedule but a man of his eloquence is more than capable of flowering the true situation up with a bullshit sandwich.
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Which is why I asked the question. I'd like to see some names put forth that people believe would be legitimate options, and options we could keep if we still went down.
There are dozens and dozens of very good managers on this list alone. Why do you think Smith is a better bet than any of them?
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik)
I was asking for opinions from those here on who they want. I know I can look at all sorts of lists, thanks for that. And I do believe Smith is arguably the best option to bring us back if we go down. We're a year ahead of schedule, and he's trying to build something. He needs time to see that build through.
So who do you want? And why? Anyone else have managers they'd like to see at Villa right now that are actually gettable?
If he takes us down it's a total rebuild. We aren't ahead of owt.
Purslow might have said a year ahead of schedule but a man of his eloquence is more than capable of flowering the true situation up with a bullshit sandwich.
We go down , we go down with a team used to losing who will then be stripped of its best players.This idea we will just regroup and bounce back is naive.Look at the teams who have gone down in recent years and look at how many recovered
On Purslow I wouldn't assume his position is safe if we go down either
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Which is why I asked the question. I'd like to see some names put forth that people believe would be legitimate options, and options we could keep if we still went down.
There are dozens and dozens of very good managers on this list alone. Why do you think Smith is a better bet than any of them?
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik)
I was asking for opinions from those here on who they want. I know I can look at all sorts of lists, thanks for that. And I do believe Smith is arguably the best option to bring us back if we go down. We're a year ahead of schedule, and he's trying to build something. He needs time to see that build through.
So who do you want? And why? Anyone else have managers they'd like to see at Villa right now that are actually gettable?
If he takes us down it's a total rebuild. We aren't ahead of owt.
Purslow might have said a year ahead of schedule but a man of his eloquence is more than capable of flowering the true situation up with a bullshit sandwich.
We may have been ahead of schedule going up last season, but if we get relegated this season, we will be in a far worse position than we were back then. We had Grealish, McGinn, Mings and Abraham in that side and we won't have anywhere near that kind of quality if we are down there again next season.
Relegation will be an absolute disaster for us,
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We really need a hard tackling midfielder that can break up play and cover the defence. Can’t we loan a player ?
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Which is why I asked the question. I'd like to see some names put forth that people believe would be legitimate options, and options we could keep if we still went down.
There are dozens and dozens of very good managers on this list alone. Why do you think Smith is a better bet than any of them?
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik)
I was asking for opinions from those here on who they want. I know I can look at all sorts of lists, thanks for that. And I do believe Smith is arguably the best option to bring us back if we go down. We're a year ahead of schedule, and he's trying to build something. He needs time to see that build through.
So who do you want? And why? Anyone else have managers they'd like to see at Villa right now that are actually gettable?
If he takes us down it's a total rebuild. We aren't ahead of owt.
Purslow might have said a year ahead of schedule but a man of his eloquence is more than capable of flowering the true situation up with a bullshit sandwich.
We may have been ahead of schedule going up last season, but if we get relegated this season, we will be in a far worse position than we were back then. We had Grealish, McGinn, Mings and Abraham in that side and we won't have anywhere near that kind of quality if we are down there again next season.
Relegation will be an absolute disaster for us,
Exactly. Relegation takes us potentially years backwards. You can only have a schedule or project whilst staying in the Premier League.
We are streets ahead of any other team in terms of shots conceded. We play holding midfielders and there is still no protection. Luiz and Nakamba can throw in the odd good performance, but their application and consistency doesn't stretch more than one game in a row.
The other week, Smith said his teams always come on strong later on in the season. We are going the other way.
Palace, Wolves, Leicester, Sheffield United, Southampton (twice), Watford, Man City...the catalogue of dreadful performances just gets longer. If Smith weren't a Villa fan, I am sure he wouldn't have been cut such a huge amount of slack this season.
Someone mentioned Hourihane coming over to disgruntled fans at the end. All I could lip read was 'we feel the same'.
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We really need a hard tackling midfielder that can break up play and cover the defence. Can’t we loan a player ?
Of all the players in the world, of all the choices we could have made, we signed Danny Drinkwater. Neither a mobile, nor a physical player. Absolutely shocking decision. There is a reason why we have conceded so many goals, there is a reason why we concede so many shots against us. It is because we completely failed to address this issue. For that alone, I sincerely question whether Dean Smith and certainly Suso are up to it. I guess Drinkwater must be on a fair whack too.
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We were poor,showed a lack of fight and passion and i had to remind the players at half time that it is not acceptable.How many times have i heard Dean Smith say that after a away match this season .Its obvious the players do not listen to him and some of them are spineless and gutless .Sadly he and his management team are out of their depth at this level .28 shots Southampton had, the worst team at home in the Premier totally outplaying us Time to go Deano
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They are getting better as players. My sides generally get better in the second half of the season. Two other lines from Dean Smith earlier this week. Soundbites. Show me, don't tell me.
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I have not been to many away games in recent years but that was the most gutless passive defeatist Disorganized performance I have seen in a long time.
No fight no passion and no fucking idea and our manager stands and watches this pile of shit and does nothing. 3 at the back isn’t working, playing our best player on the wing isn’t working, keeping players on the pitch that are failing isn’t working.
There is enough ability and talent in the squad to be getting better performances and results than this, but we are all over the place.
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I have not been to many away games in recent years but that was the most gutless passive defeatist Disorganized performance I have seen in a long time.
No fight no passion and no fucking idea and our manager stands and watches this pile of shit and does nothing. 3 at the back isn’t working, playing our best player on the wing isn’t working, keeping players on the pitch that are failing isn’t working.
There is enough ability and talent in the squad to be getting better performances and results than this, but we are all over the place.
I've been to loads and they're normally like that!
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Not even the usual “not good enough but we move on” guff on instagram. Ming’s in his post match looked utterly fucked if with the team. I think the mother of all inquests is needed - again.
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This result is in keeping with many others this season.
From the total shots at goal (it's no accident that we have faced the most of all the teams in this division) to the ref letting their shitbags kick fcuk out of Jack and booking one of our lot first.
A point would have been welcome. Unexpected, but welcome. BTW: Smudger needs to leave the trash talk at home. Do that when you are genuinely capable of turning sides over.
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This result is in keeping with many others this season.
From the total shots at goal (it's no accident that we have faced the most of all the teams in this division) to the ref letting their shitbags kick fcuk out of Jack and booking one of our lot first.
A point would have been welcome. Unexpected, but welcome. BTW: Smudger needs to leave the trash talk at home. Do that when you are genuinely capable of turning sides over.
The referee yesterday added to my thoughts that it's a total con. Once again, Jack was fouled five times with no card for them. Konsa caught their player one and the card was instant. It happens week after week.
As for Dean, I'm glad he said what he did. The only desire those players showed yesterday was to not get injured or break sweat. Not for the first time either.
For some of them to fuck off without even acknowledging the fans was just the icing on a very shitty cake.
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I find some of our players genuinely unlikeable to be honest. Ambling around without breaking a sweat, playing as if eternally stoned, shirking challenges, and acting like genuine dimwits. Sodding off without acknowledging the fans? That's shitty behaviour, though some of them are probably genuinely terrified of the abuse they might receive.
We have some right weaklings in our team. El Ghazi yesterday...deary me.
I'm also glad about what Smith said, CT. Though I wonder if there's any self reflection on his part. We looked a very poor team yesterday, and it isn't the first time this season. It's about the 10th time, off the top of my head.
I might as well list the performances that have really fucked me off.
Palace away
Wolves away
Leicester home
Sheff Utd away
Southampton home
Watford away
Fulham in the cup
Man City home
Brighton away
Bournemouth away
Southampton away
Well, 11 times then. But you get the point.
There were some diabolical performances within this lot.
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Difficult to remember a worse performance that Guilbert, he missed tackles, mis controlled gave the ball away every time and played the whole game.
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Difficult to remember a worse performance that Guilbert, he missed tackles, mis controlled gave the ball away every time and played the whole game.
Yeah, Freddie didn't play well at all. Is he injured? If that's the case he shouldn't be playing.
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I think he must have been injured - he had heavy strapping on his thigh
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I think he must have been injured - he had heavy strapping on his thigh
So why not sub him for a Elmo?
Does not make any sense at all.
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Wouldn’t be the first time we’ve played players injured and aggravated the injury. What happened to having 2 players for each position.
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Difficult to remember a worse performance that Guilbert, he missed tackles, mis controlled gave the ball away every time and played the whole game.
He was an absolute horror show all game. Why on earth play him if he’s carrying a knock? Baffling.
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I like Guilbert usually, think he’s a good player. Whole team was shit yesterday. One of them days. I can’t get my head around how good we were last week, yes we lost, but narrowly; to how shit we were against saints. Almost like a different team. What’s going on with El Ghazi?
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I like Guilbert usually, think he’s a good player. Whole team was shit yesterday. One of them days. I can’t get my head around how good we were last week, yes we lost, but narrowly; to how shit we were against saints. Almost like a different team. What’s going on with El Ghazi?
It wasn't that good least week. Their keeper had sod all to do. Another day and we'd have lost by 3-4 and we wouldn't have any complaints.
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I've seen some poor performances from Villa sides over the years but that has got to be up there with them, probably near the top of the pile. It was absolutley woeful.
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I've seen some poor performances from Villa sides over the years but that has got to be up there with them, probably near the top of the pile. It was absolutley woeful.
Agree. It was as bad as I’ve seen in the thick end of 35 years I’ve been going. I've seen some poor performances from Villa sides over the years but that has got to be up there with them, probably near the top of the pile. It was absolutley woeful.
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I like Guilbert usually, think he’s a good player. Whole team was shit yesterday. One of them days. I can’t get my head around how good we were last week, yes we lost, but narrowly; to how shit we were against saints. Almost like a different team. What’s going on with El Ghazi?
It wasn't that good least week. Their keeper had sod all to do. Another day and we'd have lost by 3-4 and we wouldn't have any complaints.
It wasn't that good and Spurs are their for the taking at the moment. We conceded 3 goals, committed numerous unforced errors and the keeper made a lot of good saves.
I think after being shit for so long we've lost focus of what is actually a good performance. Losing at home and conceding 3 really isn't.
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We have our very survival in the Premiership at stake and they put in a I don't give a shit effort, shame on them all. Mings tried to drag El Ghazi up but the weak git just for me just played to get off the pitch, I've watched the replay a few times and what he appeared to be claiming was that his vision was affected, Mings looked pissed off.
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I like Guilbert usually, think he’s a good player. Whole team was shit yesterday. One of them days. I can’t get my head around how good we were last week, yes we lost, but narrowly; to how shit we were against saints. Almost like a different team. What’s going on with El Ghazi?
It wasn't that good least week. Their keeper had sod all to do. Another day and we'd have lost by 3-4 and we wouldn't have any complaints.
It wasn't that good and Spurs are their for the taking at the moment. We conceded 3 goals, committed numerous unforced errors and the keeper made a lot of good saves.
I think after being shit for so long we've lost focus of what is actually a good performance. Losing at home and conceding 3 really isn't.
Disagree with that, we were very good last week and had we put our chances away or not fucked up at the end, we'd have got something out the game.
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I've seen some poor performances from Villa sides over the years but that has got to be up there with them, probably near the top of the pile. It was absolutley woeful.
Because most of my viewing is from 4000 miles away it was hard for me to compute how bad it was.
it was the thoughts comments of those around me that was in some way unique.
It was truly awful.
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I like Guilbert usually, think he’s a good player. Whole team was shit yesterday. One of them days. I can’t get my head around how good we were last week, yes we lost, but narrowly; to how shit we were against saints. Almost like a different team. What’s going on with El Ghazi?
It wasn't that good least week. Their keeper had sod all to do. Another day and we'd have lost by 3-4 and we wouldn't have any complaints.
It wasn't that good and Spurs are their for the taking at the moment. We conceded 3 goals, committed numerous unforced errors and the keeper made a lot of good saves.
I think after being shit for so long we've lost focus of what is actually a good performance. Losing at home and conceding 3 really isn't.
Disagree with that, we were very good last week and had we put our chances away or not fucked up at the end, we'd have got something out the game.
You could argue the same about spurs who had more shots and better opportunities.
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I wasn't there yesterday either but I managed to see it, unfortunatley. I just feel sorry for the poor lads and lasses who had to endure nightmare train journey's to get there to watch that.
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I like Guilbert usually, think he’s a good player. Whole team was shit yesterday. One of them days. I can’t get my head around how good we were last week, yes we lost, but narrowly; to how shit we were against saints. Almost like a different team. What’s going on with El Ghazi?
It wasn't that good least week. Their keeper had sod all to do. Another day and we'd have lost by 3-4 and we wouldn't have any complaints.
It wasn't that good and Spurs are their for the taking at the moment. We conceded 3 goals, committed numerous unforced errors and the keeper made a lot of good saves.
I think after being shit for so long we've lost focus of what is actually a good performance. Losing at home and conceding 3 really isn't.
Disagree with that, we were very good last week and had we put our chances away or not fucked up at the end, we'd have got something out the game.
You could argue the same about spurs who had more shots and better opportunities.
True, but it's only fair to call it when we play well. There were people around me in the Upper Holte applauding the team at the end.
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Was sitting on my hands (not that I needed to) with Saints supporters yesterday. Most worrying thing for me was our best player was first off the pitch and never really acknowledged the manager. Even Jack looked like he had had enough.
The only time the management team seemed to get excited was having a go at linesman after a Trez offside and then the 4 ft fourth official told them all off and made them sit down. Having been sat in a similar position for Lambert’s last game at Hull, all seemed rather familiar. Who knows what the Gang of Four talk about on the touchline. There was certainly little b*llocking of the underperforming players going on. AEG went straight down the tunnel with one of the coaching staff and never looked at anyone.
Purslow, Suso, Ian and Brian appeared to be having a nice time.
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Our away support does far too much beak is a conclusion I've drawn. There can't be another away support so ready to knock lumps out of each other.
It’s been going on for years and is depressing and embarrassing in equal measure.
Today was my first away this season - and couldn’t agree more.
According to stuff on Twitter it also sounds like some of our fans turned on the Villa on Tour boys today too.
Saw some of that at half time. One idiot (tattooed, grey tracksuit, sat in block 43 just in front of the exit) having a right go at him while he had a piss. "Nobody gives a sh** about your f***ing videos" etc etc. Plenty of people telling him to calm down and then leading him away.
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Our away support does far too much beak is a conclusion I've drawn. There can't be another away support so ready to knock lumps out of each other.
It’s been going on for years and is depressing and embarrassing in equal measure.
Today was my first away this season - and couldn’t agree more.
According to stuff on Twitter it also sounds like some of our fans turned on the Villa on Tour boys today too.
Saw some of that at half time. One idiot (tattooed, grey tracksuit, sat in block 43 just in front of the exit) having a right go at him while he had a piss. "Nobody gives a sh** about your f***ing videos" etc etc. Plenty of people telling him to calm down and then leading him away.
I do wonder if it's something every club has, or if we just have a high percentage of absolute bellend supporters.
They were certainly out in force again yesterday.
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Well I had a good day out in Southampton yesterday that was only marred by going to the game. For 50 years villa have frustrated me and continue to do so. Team spirit ? What the fuck has happened to that. From the first minute yesterday the majority of the team seemed to want the game over so they could piss off back to the dressing room. Something just doesn't seem right. No stomach for a fight.Go back some years to the likes of Peter Withe and even if he was having a shit game he would still give 100%. If Sir Ron was still manager all those players would be shitting themselves right now at the thought of facing him tomorrow morning.
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The 'motivation' interviews on Pravda are going into overdrive. Mings today.
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Yet another depressing defeat to have to suffer, yet again we are having to rely on other teams to keep us out of the bottom 3, this time Man United and Liverpool. Can't wait for McGinn to come back, but don't think even he can save us, besides by the time he is fit it'll probably too late anyway.
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In over half of our league games this season (14/27) teams have had 20+ shots on our goal.
How is that sustainable, why the fuck are we doing nothing about it? Southampton broke through us at will yesterday and this has been a common theme throughout the season. We have tried various formations with the same results, this has to be a training ground issue.
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In over half of our league games this season (14/27) teams have had 20+ shots on our goal.
How is that sustainable, why the fuck are we doing nothing about it? Southampton broke through us at will yesterday and this has been a common theme throughout the season. We have tried various formations with the same results, this has to be a training ground issue.
And that’s what will relegate us sadly. Smith has seen this from day one and failed to address it, even in the January window.
Even a handful of draws amongst those defeats would see us in a relatively comfortable position but we can’t stop sides creating chances.
No clean sheet away from home all season. It’s just woeful.
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I'm dreading next Sunday, might go out for a long walk! It will be interesting to see the team sheet next week if Smith says that some of them had played themselves out the final. Just one win out the last 3 would have put us in a much better position, we just don't seem to be able to perform against the lower league teams, and when we play one of the top teams our game management is none existent. God its depressing, we are sleep walking into relegation.
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In over half of our league games this season (14/27) teams have had 20+ shots on our goal.
How is that sustainable, why the fuck are we doing nothing about it? Southampton broke through us at will yesterday and this has been a common theme throughout the season. We have tried various formations with the same results, this has to be a training ground issue.
It is absolutely pathetic. And this morning I am a lot more angry than I was even yesterday. Going down would be an absolute disaster for the club and Purslow, Smith, the players and the owners have been too damn complacent all season. It has been a horrible season. So many defeats and an inability to grind out the odd draw.
Pathetic.
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It Terry has responsibility over the defence training how come he is still there, yes we played better against Spurs but they could and should have scored six.
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Within the first minute there was indecision in our defence from Konsa letting the ball bounce and not dealing with it. That set the tone for the rest of the match. A car crash of a performance from the whole team. Surely to god Terry can coach that back three to just get rid for the first 5 or ten minutes to allow us to settle. Saints should have been 3 up in 15 mins. Absolute shambles. I can't take one positive from yesterday.
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In over half of our league games this season (14/27) teams have had 20+ shots on our goal.
How is that sustainable, why the fuck are we doing nothing about it? Southampton broke through us at will yesterday and this has been a common theme throughout the season. We have tried various formations with the same results, this has to be a training ground issue.
Yesterday was very poor but in terms of being defensively poor this has been the same all season.It's never been addressed , yes we know there have been individual errors but if your conceding so many chances they eventually there will be errors under pressure.
Players and recruitment by Suso can be questioned certainly , but Smith's teams being poor at defending is an issue he had at Brentford
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In over half of our league games this season (14/27) teams have had 20+ shots on our goal.
How is that sustainable, why the fuck are we doing nothing about it? Southampton broke through us at will yesterday and this has been a common theme throughout the season. We have tried various formations with the same results, this has to be a training ground issue.
Yesterday was very poor but in terms of being defensively poor this has been the same all season.It's never been addressed , yes we know there have been individual errors but if your conceding so many chances they eventually there will be errors under pressure.
Players and recruitment by Suso can be questioned certainly , but Smith's teams being poor at defending is an issue he had at Brentford
Not when they played Villa.
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In over half of our league games this season (14/27) teams have had 20+ shots on our goal.
How is that sustainable, why the fuck are we doing nothing about it? Southampton broke through us at will yesterday and this has been a common theme throughout the season. We have tried various formations with the same results, this has to be a training ground issue.
Yesterday was very poor but in terms of being defensively poor this has been the same all season.It's never been addressed , yes we know there have been individual errors but if your conceding so many chances they eventually there will be errors under pressure.
Players and recruitment by Suso can be questioned certainly , but Smith's teams being poor at defending is an issue he had at Brentford
Not when they played Villa.
Last game we played against them if I recall they were leading 2-1 and conceded very late to a Kodjia header to leave with a draw.
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Within the first minute there was indecision in our defence from Konsa letting the ball bounce and not dealing with it. That set the tone for the rest of the match. A car crash of a performance from the whole team. Surely to god Terry can coach that back three to just get rid for the first 5 or ten minutes to allow us to settle. Saints should have been 3 up in 15 mins. Absolute shambles. I can't take one positive from yesterday.
Totally agree about poor decision making and for me Konsa is often guilty. He should have been able to stop the cross for the first goal but seemed asleep. The defence are not only hindered by individual mistakes but a lack of communication is also creeping in (keystone cops incidents between Mings and Reina, for example). Surely these things can be sorted out on the training ground?
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In over half of our league games this season (14/27) teams have had 20+ shots on our goal.
How is that sustainable, why the fuck are we doing nothing about it? Southampton broke through us at will yesterday and this has been a common theme throughout the season. We have tried various formations with the same results, this has to be a training ground issue.
Yesterday was very poor but in terms of being defensively poor this has been the same all season.It's never been addressed , yes we know there have been individual errors but if your conceding so many chances they eventually there will be errors under pressure.
Players and recruitment by Suso can be questioned certainly , but Smith's teams being poor at defending is an issue he had at Brentford
Not when they played Villa.
Last game we played against them if I recall they were leading 2-1 and conceded very late to a Kodjia header to leave with a draw.
last time we played them we lost 1-0
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From Fred Guilbert's Instagram:
"Sad about my sh** performance ! Sad about the final result... :( Work work work work (praying emoji)"
Fair play to him, at least.
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I dont buy that at all, if we go down then we'll lose Jack without a doubt but we'll keep anybody else that we choose too.
So if we have the likes of Mings and others wanting Premiership football, demanding to be let go, we should keep them no matter what.
Our owners have already shown that they wont be fucked about in the transfer market, theres a massive inferiority complex amongst a big section of our support.
Then our owners are going to have a very unhappy ship, nothing worse than players showing discontent, I would be amazed if Premiership clubs come in for our better players and those player's want away because Villa are being relegated, they are told to stay. They will be sold, at the right price.
Who is going to show discontent if we go? Theres only really Luiz that I believe has the attitude push for a move.
When Fulham went down who played there face for a move? Off the top of my head they sold Seesegnon but kept the likes of Cairney and Mitriovc.
But all our players are shit. So why are we worried about losing any of them?
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Not sure if it has been covered but what was going on with Hourihaine and the fan at the end? I was queueing to get out and saw some fan with curly hair shouting and then Hourihaine came over to him, then there seemed to be a scuffle by where that fan was.
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Our away support does far too much beak is a conclusion I've drawn. There can't be another away support so ready to knock lumps out of each other.
It’s been going on for years and is depressing and embarrassing in equal measure.
Today was my first away this season - and couldn’t agree more.
According to stuff on Twitter it also sounds like some of our fans turned on the Villa on Tour boys today too.
Saw some of that at half time. One idiot (tattooed, grey tracksuit, sat in block 43 just in front of the exit) having a right go at him while he had a piss. "Nobody gives a sh** about your f***ing videos" etc etc. Plenty of people telling him to calm down and then leading him away.
We were chatting to Max from VOT on the walk back into town after the game.
Apparently the bloke you refer to was having a go at him and his mates and managed to convince a steward to throw a couple of them out at half time. Max said he thought the bloke was trying to get a reaction out of him. Why on earth somebody would dislike him enough to threaten him is absolutely beyond me. If you don’t like his videos don’t watch them. It’s really effing simple.
In the 86-87 season we went to Southampton and were 4-0 down at half time. Yesterday’s performance was just as bad, as the only thing that saved us was poor decision making and finishing by them. We were shit from start to finish.
The trains were a mare too. We were on a bus at the station at 5-30 and then had delays, broken trains and various delays. I live in London and got home after 10. Imagine how shit it must be for Newcastle fans travelling much further than us with this shit transport infrastructure.
The only highlight of the day was the general singsong and humour at Winchester station, whilst waiting for the staff and police to develop some competency. It was like a shit episode of the Apprentice. Much noisier support than in the ground though.
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Not sure if it has been covered but what was going on with Hourihaine and the fan at the end? I was queueing to get out and saw some fan with curly hair shouting and then Hourihaine came over to him, then there seemed to be a scuffle by where that fan was.
I was at the back of the stand so saw it from a long way back but it seemed like Hourihane was trying to say sorry, we were shot but we do care. Not sure if there was abuse and aggro but a small number of people were singing his name but there was also some booing too.
It felt like yesterday was a turning point, as the players lost the fans - in my eyes at least.
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Smith is right about one thing...this was our cup final and I, like him, don't give a fuck about the Wembley game now, as I think we are nailed on relegated after this game.
I've never seen a side start as sloppy as us, what do they do in the dressing room before a game? give them a puff to relax them?
Konsa's non challenge for the cross for the first goal set the tone, no passion, no intensity and no bottle.
I said in November that Smith was out of his depth and we were sleepwalking to relegation, I've seen it many times before, from the 66-67 side to Billy McBingo's duffers.
We're as bad as those sides.
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Sorry but I can't bring myself to say I don't give a f-k about a cup final. Is it unwinnable? Maybe it is. But we're competing in it. There's always a glimmer of hope, however tiny, and to say you don't care about it at all just because we might be relegated is both sad and mental to me.
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I get what you are saying, I just think its a very unwelcome distraction, and after the last couple of years in the championship I dread the thought of going back there, and I fear the worst for Sunday with our seemingly soft underbelly. I also worry about the consequences for the rest of the season if we do take a drubbing, I think it could turn very sour on Sunday if we go a few goals down if the away end on Saturday was anything to go by
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Terrible match terrible train service back from Southampton I want to forget this game.