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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 18, 2020, 09:00:17 PM
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Saturday 22.2.20
3pm KO
D 1-1.
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We'll play a high line, we'll conceed atleast 2, I just hope we can outscore them. Huge game.
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I can't use my head currently as it is tending to the negative so I'll let my heart rule.
1-2
Jack and Samagoal to score.
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We will make Shane Long look like Dennis fucking Bergkamp.
4-1 loss.
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1-1
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Samatta treble 1-4
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Christ knows anymore. We just can’t defend so I know they’ll score. 2-2.
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Southampton 1-2 VAR
Due a bit of luck
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Was listening to the claret and blue podcast earlier and they were saying how we concede on average two goals per game. That’s a mad stat. But I think we’ll beat Southampton, so going with 2-3 scoreline. Now watch us lose 1-0...
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2-1 us.
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2-2
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Just win please villa.
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Was listening to the claret and blue podcast earlier and they were saying how we concede on average two goals per game. That’s a mad stat. But I think we’ll beat Southampton, so going with 2-3 scoreline. Now watch us lose 1-0...
Kozak and Delph ftw
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Was listening to the claret and blue podcast earlier and they were saying how we concede on average two goals per game. That’s a mad stat. But I think we’ll beat Southampton, so going with 2-3 scoreline. Now watch us lose 1-0...
That is a fairly depressing stat to be honest!
We’ll play How we play, we’ll either outplay them for a lot of the game, e.g. Burnley away, Watford at home, spurs for for first 30, or we won’t turn up, e.g. Bournemouth, Brighton first halves, or most probable a combination of both.
Southampton like any of the teams hovering round mid table have been on shocking runs, then good runs, but remain inconsistent and for me are beatable. Ings is still scoring so worry about him against our lot, but we should give their defence problems. And when’s the last time we got a few down there, must be a few years back?
Against the odds and any sense of logic 1-3 villa (grealish, Samar’s, el ghazi)
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Might as well replicate the pre match thread for the Bournemouth match - same result I’m afraid.
Nobody’s learning anything. Another weekend ruined.
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Hoping for the best but fearing the worst.
I hope we come out of the traps quickly like we did against Spurs and if we do we can beat them. But my fear is another lack lustre start and they'll get a couple of first half goals and that will be that.
I live down here and work with a Southampton fan so I'm keeping everything crossed for a result!
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Might as well replicate the pre match thread for the Bournemouth match - same result I’m afraid.
Nobody’s learning anything. Another weekend ruined.
Blimey Levico - you've written exactly what I feel
Wafer thin confidence levels don't help .....I can't remember the last time I felt really confident about us winning comfortably ...even if leading 2-0 we seem to go to pieces
I fear another loss 0-2. Another nail in the relegation coffin :(
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Buried in their Pyschie is that 9 nil you just don’t know Villa might get a few Villa win
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I still have the Chelsea 8 buried deep in mine.
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I have done my bit to jinx Southampton by including them to win in my weekend premier league acca.
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Gonna be tough but we owe these after the last two games.
Saints 0-2 villa lions
Grealish and el ghazi
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Has there ever been a safer both teams to score bet then us? Wildly optimistic 2-2 I reckon. Wembley starting places up for grabs for a few of them.
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4-1 us, and we won't mess up this time. Samatta double with his head, Mings from 10 yards, Luiz from 20.
Mills for them with a scuffer off his mustache. No-one gets injured, they have 4 sent off for violent conduct at the death for rowing amongst themselves.
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------------Reina
------Konsa, Engels, Mings
Guilbert, Luiz, Nakamba, Hourihane, Targett
--------------Grealish
------------Samatta
Not sure what additional cover Hourihane would give but we need another body in midfield that isn't Drinkwater.
In jack we hope
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------------Reina
------Konsa, Engels, Mings
Guilbert, Luiz, Nakamba, Hourihane, Targett
--------------Grealish
------------Samatta
Not sure what additional cover Hourihane would give but we need another body in midfield that isn't Drinkwater.
In jack we hope
Yep, with Hourahane just ahead of the other 2 and Grealish in just behind Samatta. I would play Hause over Engels though.
2-1 to them still though i fear.
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Dont lose - simple as that. An away draw I'll take. Their home form is excellent.
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2-1 to Villa. We just have to.
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Something about Mings and Ings sharing a pack of M&Ms after the game as both sides share the spoils (a family pack of M&Ms).
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Dont lose - simple as that. An away draw I'll take. Their home form is excellent.
It wasn't that excellent V Burnley. I was chatting to a Southampton fan earlier and he reckons we'll win it as they are now suspect at home.
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We'll play a high line, we'll concede at least 2, I just hope we can outscore them.
We've scored 3 goals (or more) in a league match once this season. The likelihood of us "outscoring" their 2, especially playing away are slim to none.
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We'll play a high line, we'll concede at least 2, I just hope we can outscore them.
We've scored 3 goals (or more) in a league match once this season. The likelihood of us "outscoring" their 2, especially playing away are slim to none.
And slim left town.
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3-1 defeat, they have a goal scorer in form.
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I have done my bit to jinx Southampton by including them to win in my weekend premier league acca.
Good move, I think I'll add 2 more players to my fantasy football team as I have Ings already.
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We will make Shane Long look like Dennis fucking Bergkamp.
Don't we always.
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Dont lose - simple as that. An away draw I'll take. Their home form is excellent.
Their home form league wise really isn’t that excellent, won 3 drawn 2 lost 8. Out of the last 6 league games they lost 3 drawn 1. Their defeats and 2 wins being fairly spread out, so no real consistency.
Overall they have won 2 more games than us all season, lost 2 less. There isn’t a massive gap between us, though granted you wouldn’t of thought this at VP in December.
None of this means we’ll get anything, but we shouldn’t be going down there thinking we’re facing some sort of excellent side. They are capable of top draw performances like against us and Chelsea away, or dross like losing at home to Burnley the other week. This has to be one of the games we’re looking to win.
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Was listening to the claret and blue podcast earlier and they were saying how we concede on average two goals per game. That’s a mad stat. But I think we’ll beat Southampton, so going with 2-3 scoreline. Now watch us lose 1-0...
Look at the table - 50 conceded in 26.
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I heard a month or two ago we concede the most shots per game, I doubt if that's changed, especially after Sunday.
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2.4
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2-1 to them.
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Them 2 Us 5
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Has there ever been a safer both teams to score bet then us? Wildly optimistic 2-2 I reckon. Wembley starting places up for grabs for a few of them.
I almost never bet for or against Villa (us to be PL champions notwithstanding) but that's a pretty good bet in every game we play. It hasn't happened on only eight occasions this season.
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We need a win so I am going for 1-2 to us
UTV
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3-0 to saints but only because when I vote a Villa win we lose so I’m hoping for the opposite
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Southampton are very inconsistent. If we can sort ourselves at the back and play well we can win this. We need to be taking advantage while west ham have tough games build a bit if a gap.
Games against leicester liverpool etc are free hits that we are likely to get nothing from but games like this and newcastle away are the ones we need ti be looking at getting something from
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a win please Villa....
UTV
The Doc
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Soton 0 Villa 3
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Soton 0 Villa 3
That would be Nakamba.
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Southampton 3 Villa 8 Dean goes crazy, because we didn’t get the 10 needed to give us the boost for the Cup final.
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We win, we have to.
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Dont lose - simple as that. An away draw I'll take. Their home form is excellent.
Their home form league wise really isn’t that excellent, won 3 drawn 2 lost 8. Out of the last 6 league games they lost 3 drawn 1. Their defeats and 2 wins being fairly spread out, so no real consistency.
Overall they have won 2 more games than us all season, lost 2 less. There isn’t a massive gap between us, though granted you wouldn’t of thought this at VP in December.
None of this means we’ll get anything, but we shouldn’t be going down there thinking we’re facing some sort of excellent side. They are capable of top draw performances like against us and Chelsea away, or dross like losing at home to Burnley the other week. This has to be one of the games we’re looking to win.
My fault - I read the scores on the last 6 games as home score - away score but they just put the winning team first - pffft. They won away at Leicester and Crystal Palace. At home to Spurs 1-0 but nothing special. Not that that should give us false hope!
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We need to turn our season around starting on Saturday. The commitment may be there but the discipline has been sadly missing. Sir Graham would have said, "you got yourselves into this mess, now get yourself out of it". No excuses. Time to show what this Manager and team are all about.
0-3 Villa win.
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We need to turn our season around starting on Saturday. The commitment may be there but the discipline has been sadly missing. Sir Graham would have said, "you got yourselves into this mess, now get yourself out of it". No excuses. Time to show what this Manager and team are all about.
0-3 Villa win.
Really like this.
Interestingly, Dean did say something vaguely similar in his press conference: "There is an expectation on them and the players have not handled that expectation as well as they could have."
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11938321/dean-smith-wants-aston-villa-to-drag-southampton-into-relegation-battle
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We need to turn our season around starting on Saturday. The commitment may be there but the discipline has been sadly missing. Sir Graham would have said, "you got yourselves into this mess, now get yourself out of it". No excuses. Time to show what this Manager and team are all about.
0-3 Villa win.
Really like this.
Interestingly, Dean did say something vaguely similar in his press conference: "There is an expectation on them and the players have not handled that expectation as well as they could have."
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11938321/dean-smith-wants-aston-villa-to-drag-southampton-into-relegation-battle
Wasn't he talking about Southampton rather than us? Dean should concern himself more with getting his tactics right. Close the game down and Southampton will struggle. Go all gung-ho and they'll catch us on the counter attack. Apparently it's why they're better away from home than at St Marys.
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He was talking about Southampton though not sure why he had to say exactly that !
Anyway this has draw written all over it. Similar to Brighton away I reckon.
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They have a few players out redmond and boufal being two.
We really need to start winning some bloody games back to back if we want to stay up. Come on villa !
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I'm pleased to read that Soon have three 'key' players out injured.
"Ralph Hasenhuettl confirms that Kyle Walker-Peters has a calf injury and will miss Saturday’s game v Villa
Redmond out for an indeterminate time...
Boufal likely to be out with a heel problem - hasn’t trained yet this week"
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Boufal likely to be out with a heel problem - hasn’t trained yet this week"
That could be the key heel in a VAR decision!!
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Redmond is a big miss for them, he's created as many chances for them as Jack has for us this season (though they haven't scored as many of them as we have of Jack's).
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Don't believe everything you read in the press. (fingers crossed).
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Please win, please win, please win. Only been once, lost 3-1 in the league cup, season we went down. My lad is going with his mates and I hope he has a better time than I did
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Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
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Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
I agree bit stupid by smith tbh. Saying things like this hardly ever happens when you talk about it like he did.
The biggest decision for me is if he sticks with three at the back? I think its not working and we need to go back to four at the back with a extra cm. Stick nakamba in front of the back four and have luiz and conor just ahead of him
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Redmond is a big miss for them, he's created as many chances for them as Jack has for us this season (though they haven't scored as many of them as we have of Jack's).
agree , this is good news .. Just need Long to pick up a niggle :)
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Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.
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Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
If he'd said "It's a tough place to go, we'll have to be at our very best to get anything from the game" there would be people criticising him for being defeatist.
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Each game is becoming more must win.
After last week's defensive debacle I'm sure we'll be the wrong side of a five goal thriller.
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Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
If he'd said "It's a tough place to go, we'll have to be at our very best to get anything from the game" there would be people criticising him for being defeatist.
Or he could have just not said either? Just say we know st marys is a tough place to go but we untend to go there give them a game and make ot difficult for them.
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Whatever he says he would be criticised for and does anyone really think that Premier League players need to be motivated by what the opposition manager does?
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Think Ings will score twice in the first half and we will pull back 2 in the second. Miss a sitter to win it and come back with a point lamenting what could have been.
One week to go for our Cup Final so probably not a gung ho performance.
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Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.
Nice exaggeration. Of course players don't intend to play poorly but I can't have imagined post-match interviews in the past when a player/manager says they wanted to ram the words of the opposition down their throats etc. It's marginal gains at this level and finding new ways to motivate players is always welcomed by management. I'm not saying it will make a difference, just that it comes across as a tad naive from your cousin to talk about it the way he did.
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Tough one to predict.
Southampton did a great job on us at VP. Hard to believe that was just two months ago and they were below us then.
However their style simply dosen't work as well at St Marys. Just 3 home wins all season isn't it and they rarely score more than one goal at home.
Feels like I predict a draw every week currently and in rare fashion we're not doing it much this season. Worried about Ings being the difference like Son last week as he's been in great form most of the season but can see us getting chances on the break.
2-2 which in the short term is o.k for me given Watford are away to Man. United and West Ham away to Liverpool so I'd be very disappointed if we drop into the bottom 3 this weekend.
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Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.
Nice exaggeration. Of course players don't intend to play poorly but I can't have imagined post-match interviews in the past when a player/manager says they wanted to ram the words of the opposition down their throats etc. It's marginal gains at this level and finding new ways to motivate players is always welcomed by management. I'm not saying it will make a difference, just that it comes across as a tad naive from your cousin to talk about it the way he did.
Ah yes, but what about all those games we don't hear about? The manager has cut out newspaper quotes and pinned them on the changing room wall (has this ever really happened?) only for his team to totally fail to ram the words of the opposition manager down his throat. They trudge off the pitch having lost 4-0 and pretty much confirmed the opposition manager pre-match hunch to be true. We don't hear about them. The kit-man silently takes down the cuttings and there is an unspoken but understood agreement among everyone in the changing room to never speak of this again...
We need to see all of the available data on this. % of wins when the manager has pinned newspaper cuttings up versus % when he hasn't. Then we can talk.
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Fair point Stuart (Ripley? An ex-Saint - get out!)
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Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.
Nice exaggeration. Of course players don't intend to play poorly but I can't have imagined post-match interviews in the past when a player/manager says they wanted to ram the words of the opposition down their throats etc. It's marginal gains at this level and finding new ways to motivate players is always welcomed by management. I'm not saying it will make a difference, just that it comes across as a tad naive from your cousin to talk about it the way he did.
Ah yes, but what about all those games we don't hear about? The manager has cut out newspaper quotes and pinned them on the changing room wall (has this ever really happened?) only for his team to totally fail to ram the words of the opposition manager down his throat. They trudge off the pitch having lost 4-0 and pretty much confirmed the opposition manager pre-match hunch to be true. We don't hear about them. The kit-man silently takes down the cuttings and there is an unspoken but understood agreement among everyone in the changing room to never speak of this again...
We need to see all of the available data on this. % of wins when the manager has pinned newspaper cuttings up versus % when he hasn't. Then we can talk.
Who buys a newspaper anymore? :-)
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We can not afford to lose this.
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Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.
By all accounts they lack our current work ethic. Soft, southern shandy drinking, lazy arses. They'll be up for the game, probably see us as 3 easy points. Their strength is catching teams on the counter attack. Ask them to build up anything and they run out of ideas and collapse, which is why their home form is so poor. It's obviously frustrated their fans as it had for us at Villa Park from most of this century.
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Spurs never win away.
Saints never win at home.
Enter Aston Villa, available for parties, weddings, funerals, etc etc
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Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.
Nice exaggeration. Of course players don't intend to play poorly but I can't have imagined post-match interviews in the past when a player/manager says they wanted to ram the words of the opposition down their throats etc. It's marginal gains at this level and finding new ways to motivate players is always welcomed by management. I'm not saying it will make a difference, just that it comes across as a tad naive from your cousin to talk about it the way he did.
I honestly don’t think it makes any material difference. It gets highlighted if a team win and can then point at the opposition manager’s words but it’s never mentioned when the result goes against them therefore making it seem as though it acts as a motivator.
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Just fucking win Villa.
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Just fucking win Villa.
This.
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3-0 to saints but only because when I vote a Villa win we lose so I’m hoping for the opposite
the only time I ever call it right is when we lose!
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Just fucking win Villa.
All you've got to do is win. My favourite Bowie song since he died
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Always felt like one of our bogey teams (though there are a bloody lot of them these days!).
Them 2-1 Us.
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Got it on with a Southampton supporter from work a few (20- fkn hell!) years back. I always think of her when we play them. Good times
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If Smith starts Drinkwater and we lose, then he deserves the sack.
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Latin Lions are at Southampton today, look out for them
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It’s going to be difficult, but we desperately need a win today. I don’t care how just fucking win Villa.
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Come on the Villa boys! We only have wet spam to play in the current bottom 6. We have only achieved 1 point against the high fliers. If we are to stay up we have to be collecting points (and preferably 3! ) from each of the mid-table teams like Soton. Let's do these today! UTV!
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Beat these beige fuckers into the ground please.
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Come on the Villa boys! We only have wet spam to play in the current bottom 6. We have only achieved 1 point against the high fliers. If we are to stay up we have to be collecting points (and preferably 3! ) from each of the mid-table teams like Soton. Let's do these today! UTV!
That’s a genuinely shocking stat when you consider how many good performances (and leads) we’ve had against those teams.
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Come on the Villa boys! We only have wet spam to play in the current bottom 6. We have only achieved 1 point against the high fliers. If we are to stay up we have to be collecting points (and preferably 3! ) from each of the mid-table teams like Soton. Let's do these today! UTV!
That’s a genuinely shocking stat when you consider how many good performances (and leads) we’ve had against those teams.
The manager has fucked up 4-5 points that we should have in the bag.
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Three points would be massive today. It would put pressure on the teams below us as well who are not paying today.
Samatta is a very generous 9/1 on Skybet for the first goal.
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I reckon we gonna go mental and score 6.
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It would be great if we put in a Norwich-away performance
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Oh god. Lawro has backed us.
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Oh god. Lawro has backed us.
3 pundits in talk sport have all backed us to lose so that evens that out.
Cliche, but 1st goal is everything in this one for me. C’mon the lads.
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It'll be interesting to see who he drops if Mings comes back in.
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Engels.
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If Tyrone is still not fit we lose, if fit going for a draw.
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It would be great if we put in a Norwich-away performance
They're the only team thats taken less points than us on the road.
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A clean sheet would be nice.
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Be the first one away from home all season.
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Engels.
Without the massive bollock dropped last week, I'd have said Hause, but I'm concerned about Engels confidence.
Hause puts us under so much pressure with his complete inability to transition the ball quickly and effectively to a Villa player.
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Hause for me. Engels is a better player.
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Hause for me. Engels is a better player.
I totally agree. It is what I think Smith will do if Mings is back.
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Engels.
Without the massive bollock dropped last week, I'd have said Hause, but I'm concerned about Engels confidence.
Hause puts us under so much pressure with his complete inability to transition the ball quickly and effectively to a Villa player.
It might help if players actually wanted the ball. See our throw-ins too.
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Douglas and Jack want the ball, Hause takes far too long to come to a decision and recycles it so cheaply its infuriating.
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Hause is odd. I watch him close up at Stoke last season (think he was at LB that game) and he was calm and composed in possession every time, didn't hoof and didn't give it away once.
Can only think the quicker closing down is something he can't cope with but he dosen't half take an age to make simple clearances.
Think Engels will drop out anyway as Konsa-Mings-Hause has been our regular back 3 since new year.
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Anyone having trouble with trains, my son is stuck at Lea Hall after getting on the train at New Street at 11, don’t think it’s happening
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If Tyrone is still not fit we lose, if fit going for a draw.
I'm with ya, Lew. Fingers & toes crossed he plays & we get sommat out the game then.
Come on Villa. Let's be 'avin you!
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Anyone having trouble with trains, my son is stuck at Lea Hall after getting on the train at New Street at 11, don’t think it’s happening
Probably not what you want to hear...
A fault on a train at Marston Green means the line towards Birmingham International is blocked. As a result of this, trains may be cancelled or delayed.
This is expected until 14:00.
National Rail disruption link (http://m.nationalrail.co.uk/pj/disruption/details/AA32C903C4DC4710B94FB575FB01D9E3)
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Cheers, he’s giving up, maybe a win if he’s not there! He didn’t go to Burnley so......
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Anyone having trouble with trains, my son is stuck at Lea Hall after getting on the train at New Street at 11, don’t think it’s happening
Are you sure he's on the right train? There weren't any trains leaving New St to Southampton at 11am. 10.04, 10.33, after that is the 12.04 which arrives at Southampton Central at 15.04.
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Anyone having trouble with trains, my son is stuck at Lea Hall after getting on the train at New Street at 11, don’t think it’s happening
Are you sure he's on the right train? There weren't any trains leaving New St to Southampton at 11am. 10.04, 10.33, after that is the 12.04 which arrives at Southampton Central at 15.04.
It was around 11 from New Street to Southampton, should have been in around 2. But a landslide near Winchester meant a change there then bus, but his train got stuck behind a broken train.
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Anyone having trouble with trains, my son is stuck at Lea Hall after getting on the train at New Street at 11, don’t think it’s happening
Are you sure he's on the right train? There weren't any trains leaving New St to Southampton at 11am. 10.04, 10.33, after that is the 12.04 which arrives at Southampton Central at 15.04.
It was around 11 from New Street to Southampton, should have been in around 2. But a landslide near Winchester meant a change there then bus, but his train got stuck behind a broken train.
Sounds like the 10.33 arriving at 14.05. It's still listed as arriving on time but you know what trains are like in the UK..right now he should be on the train from Basingstoke to Winchester.
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Fingers crossed for a result today. Worried about our defence but think we'll definitely put the ball in the net more than once. Whether or not VAR decides to rob us again is another story.
Up The Villa
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No drinkwater for the love of god
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No drinkwater for the love of god
On the bench.
Mings in for Engels only other change from last Sunday.
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Bye Danny, thank fuck
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Interesting team news from Saints....
Ward Prowse again at RB so have to get Jack lots of ball today. Got a player called Will Smallbone making his debut in midfield aswell.