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Title: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on February 18, 2020, 09:00:17 PM
Saturday 22.2.20

3pm KO

D 1-1.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on February 18, 2020, 09:07:20 PM
We'll play a high line, we'll conceed atleast 2, I just hope we can outscore them. Huge game.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: berneboy on February 18, 2020, 09:07:37 PM
I can't use my head currently as it is tending to the negative so I'll let my heart rule.
1-2
Jack and Samagoal to score.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 18, 2020, 09:16:43 PM
We will make Shane Long look like Dennis fucking Bergkamp.

4-1 loss.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on February 18, 2020, 09:36:43 PM
1-1
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on February 18, 2020, 11:33:44 PM
Samatta treble 1-4
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on February 19, 2020, 12:32:20 AM
Christ knows anymore. We just can’t defend so I know they’ll score. 2-2.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: stevo_st on February 19, 2020, 12:37:09 AM
Southampton 1-2 VAR

Due a bit of luck
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on February 19, 2020, 02:30:47 AM
Was listening to the claret and blue podcast earlier and they were saying how we concede on average two goals per game. That’s a mad stat. But I think we’ll beat Southampton, so going with 2-3 scoreline. Now watch us lose 1-0...
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on February 19, 2020, 02:32:12 AM
2-1 us.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaSpen on February 19, 2020, 03:53:46 AM
2-2
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on February 19, 2020, 07:18:57 AM
Just win please villa.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on February 19, 2020, 08:45:01 AM
Was listening to the claret and blue podcast earlier and they were saying how we concede on average two goals per game. That’s a mad stat. But I think we’ll beat Southampton, so going with 2-3 scoreline. Now watch us lose 1-0...

Kozak and Delph ftw
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 19, 2020, 09:50:28 AM
Was listening to the claret and blue podcast earlier and they were saying how we concede on average two goals per game. That’s a mad stat. But I think we’ll beat Southampton, so going with 2-3 scoreline. Now watch us lose 1-0...

That is a fairly depressing stat to be honest!

We’ll play How we play, we’ll either outplay them for a lot of the game, e.g. Burnley away, Watford at home, spurs for for first 30, or we won’t turn up, e.g. Bournemouth, Brighton first halves, or most probable a combination of both.

Southampton like any of the teams hovering round mid table have been on shocking runs, then good runs, but remain inconsistent and for me are beatable. Ings is still scoring so worry about him against our lot, but we should give their defence problems. And when’s the last time we got a few down there, must be a few years back?

Against the odds and any sense of logic 1-3 villa (grealish, Samar’s, el ghazi)
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: levico on February 19, 2020, 10:46:19 AM
Might as well replicate the pre match thread for the Bournemouth match - same result I’m afraid.

Nobody’s learning anything. Another weekend ruined.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: sonyhill on February 19, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
Hoping for the best but fearing the worst. 

I hope we come out of the traps quickly like we did against Spurs and if we do we can beat them.  But my fear is another lack lustre start and they'll get a couple of first half goals and that will be that. 

I live down here and work with a Southampton fan so I'm keeping everything crossed for a result! 
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 19, 2020, 11:26:40 AM
Might as well replicate the pre match thread for the Bournemouth match - same result I’m afraid.

Nobody’s learning anything. Another weekend ruined.
Blimey Levico - you've written exactly what I feel
Wafer thin confidence levels don't help .....I can't remember the last time I felt really confident about us  winning comfortably ...even if leading 2-0 we seem to go to pieces
I fear another loss 0-2. Another nail in the relegation coffin :(
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tony scott on February 19, 2020, 11:49:06 AM
Buried in their Pyschie is that 9 nil you just don’t know Villa might get a few Villa win
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on February 19, 2020, 11:49:58 AM
I still have the Chelsea 8 buried deep in mine.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on February 19, 2020, 11:56:43 AM
I have done my bit to jinx Southampton by including them to win in my weekend premier league acca.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on February 19, 2020, 12:37:55 PM
Gonna be tough but we owe these after the last two games.

Saints 0-2 villa lions

Grealish and el ghazi
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dave P on February 19, 2020, 12:40:14 PM
Has there ever been a safer both teams to score bet then us?  Wildly optimistic 2-2 I reckon.  Wembley starting places up for grabs for a few of them.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 19, 2020, 12:59:26 PM
4-1 us, and we won't mess up this time. Samatta double with his head, Mings from 10 yards, Luiz from 20.

Mills for them with a scuffer off his mustache. No-one gets injured, they have 4 sent off for violent conduct at the death for rowing amongst themselves.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on February 19, 2020, 01:00:43 PM
------------Reina
------Konsa, Engels, Mings
Guilbert, Luiz, Nakamba, Hourihane, Targett
--------------Grealish
------------Samatta

Not sure what additional cover Hourihane would give but we need another body in midfield that isn't Drinkwater.

In jack we hope
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 19, 2020, 01:17:10 PM
------------Reina
------Konsa, Engels, Mings
Guilbert, Luiz, Nakamba, Hourihane, Targett
--------------Grealish
------------Samatta

Not sure what additional cover Hourihane would give but we need another body in midfield that isn't Drinkwater.

In jack we hope

Yep, with Hourahane just ahead of the other 2 and Grealish in just behind Samatta. I would play Hause over Engels though.

2-1 to them still though i fear.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mallo on February 19, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
Dont lose - simple as that. An away draw I'll take. Their home form is excellent.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: colin69 on February 19, 2020, 01:54:13 PM
2-1 to Villa. We just have to.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on February 19, 2020, 02:51:06 PM
Something about Mings and Ings sharing a pack of M&Ms after the game as both sides share the spoils (a family pack of M&Ms).
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bren'd on February 19, 2020, 02:58:46 PM
Dont lose - simple as that. An away draw I'll take. Their home form is excellent.

It wasn't that excellent V Burnley.  I was chatting to a Southampton fan earlier and he reckons we'll win it as they are now suspect at home.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 19, 2020, 03:05:28 PM
We'll play a high line, we'll concede at least 2, I just hope we can outscore them.

We've scored 3 goals (or more) in a league match once this season. The likelihood of us "outscoring" their 2, especially playing away are slim to none.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 19, 2020, 03:24:15 PM
We'll play a high line, we'll concede at least 2, I just hope we can outscore them.

We've scored 3 goals (or more) in a league match once this season. The likelihood of us "outscoring" their 2, especially playing away are slim to none.
And slim left town.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on February 19, 2020, 03:41:48 PM
3-1 defeat, they have a goal scorer in form.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mrfuse on February 19, 2020, 03:47:50 PM
I have done my bit to jinx Southampton by including them to win in my weekend premier league acca.

Good move, I think I'll add 2 more players to my fantasy football team as I have Ings already.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KevinGage on February 19, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
We will make Shane Long look like Dennis fucking Bergkamp.

Don't we always.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 19, 2020, 04:57:11 PM
Dont lose - simple as that. An away draw I'll take. Their home form is excellent.

Their home form league wise really isn’t that excellent, won 3 drawn 2 lost 8. Out of the last 6 league games they lost 3 drawn 1. Their defeats and 2 wins being fairly spread out, so no real consistency.

Overall they have won 2 more games than us all season, lost 2 less. There isn’t a massive gap between us, though granted you wouldn’t of thought this at VP in December.

None of this means we’ll get anything, but we shouldn’t be going down there thinking we’re facing some sort of excellent side. They are capable of top draw performances like against us and Chelsea away, or dross like losing at home to Burnley the other week. This has to be one of the games we’re looking to win.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on February 19, 2020, 05:56:33 PM
Was listening to the claret and blue podcast earlier and they were saying how we concede on average two goals per game. That’s a mad stat. But I think we’ll beat Southampton, so going with 2-3 scoreline. Now watch us lose 1-0...
Look at the table - 50 conceded in 26.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 19, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
I heard a month or two ago we concede the most shots per game, I doubt if that's changed, especially after Sunday.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on February 19, 2020, 07:58:36 PM
2.4
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ez on February 19, 2020, 08:39:38 PM
2-1 to them.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 19, 2020, 09:18:02 PM
Them 2 Us 5
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 19, 2020, 10:11:12 PM
Has there ever been a safer both teams to score bet then us?  Wildly optimistic 2-2 I reckon.  Wembley starting places up for grabs for a few of them.

I almost never bet for or against Villa (us to be PL champions notwithstanding) but that's a pretty good bet in every game we play. It hasn't happened on only eight occasions this season.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: sid1964 on February 20, 2020, 07:01:56 AM
We need a win so I am going for 1-2 to us

UTV
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Allan C on February 20, 2020, 08:05:35 AM
3-0 to saints but only because when I vote a Villa win we lose so I’m hoping for the opposite
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on February 20, 2020, 08:15:17 AM
Southampton are very inconsistent. If we can sort ourselves at the back and play well we can win this. We need to be taking advantage while west ham have tough games build a bit if a gap.

Games against leicester liverpool etc are free hits that we are likely to get nothing from but games like this and newcastle away are the ones we need ti be looking at getting something from
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on February 20, 2020, 08:24:19 AM
a win please Villa....

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 20, 2020, 10:18:12 AM
Soton 0 Villa 3   
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 20, 2020, 11:08:46 AM
Soton 0 Villa 3   

That would be Nakamba.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tony scott on February 20, 2020, 12:55:04 PM
Southampton 3 Villa 8 Dean goes crazy, because we didn’t get the 10 needed to give us the boost for the Cup final.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 20, 2020, 01:49:52 PM
We win, we have to.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mallo on February 20, 2020, 02:18:12 PM
Dont lose - simple as that. An away draw I'll take. Their home form is excellent.

Their home form league wise really isn’t that excellent, won 3 drawn 2 lost 8. Out of the last 6 league games they lost 3 drawn 1. Their defeats and 2 wins being fairly spread out, so no real consistency.

Overall they have won 2 more games than us all season, lost 2 less. There isn’t a massive gap between us, though granted you wouldn’t of thought this at VP in December.

None of this means we’ll get anything, but we shouldn’t be going down there thinking we’re facing some sort of excellent side. They are capable of top draw performances like against us and Chelsea away, or dross like losing at home to Burnley the other week. This has to be one of the games we’re looking to win.

My fault - I read the scores on the last 6 games as home score - away score but they just put the winning team first - pffft. They won away at Leicester and Crystal Palace. At home to Spurs 1-0 but nothing special. Not that that should give us false hope!
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2020, 03:14:30 PM
We need to turn our season around starting on Saturday. The commitment may be there but the discipline has been sadly missing. Sir Graham would have said,  "you got yourselves into this mess, now get yourself out of it". No excuses. Time to show what this Manager and team are all about.

0-3 Villa win.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chipsticks on February 20, 2020, 03:32:09 PM
We need to turn our season around starting on Saturday. The commitment may be there but the discipline has been sadly missing. Sir Graham would have said,  "you got yourselves into this mess, now get yourself out of it". No excuses. Time to show what this Manager and team are all about.

0-3 Villa win.

Really like this.

Interestingly, Dean did say something vaguely similar in his press conference: "There is an expectation on them and the players have not handled that expectation as well as they could have."

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11938321/dean-smith-wants-aston-villa-to-drag-southampton-into-relegation-battle
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2020, 05:17:33 PM
We need to turn our season around starting on Saturday. The commitment may be there but the discipline has been sadly missing. Sir Graham would have said,  "you got yourselves into this mess, now get yourself out of it". No excuses. Time to show what this Manager and team are all about.

0-3 Villa win.

Really like this.

Interestingly, Dean did say something vaguely similar in his press conference: "There is an expectation on them and the players have not handled that expectation as well as they could have."

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/11938321/dean-smith-wants-aston-villa-to-drag-southampton-into-relegation-battle

Wasn't he talking about Southampton rather than us? Dean should concern himself more with getting his tactics right. Close the game down and Southampton will struggle. Go all gung-ho and they'll catch us on the counter attack. Apparently it's why they're better away from home than at St Marys.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Richard on February 20, 2020, 06:41:52 PM
He was talking about Southampton though not sure why he had to say exactly that !

Anyway this has draw written all over it. Similar to Brighton away I reckon.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on February 20, 2020, 06:48:26 PM
They have a few players out redmond and boufal being two.

We really need to start winning some bloody games back to back if we want to stay up. Come on villa !
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: berneboy on February 20, 2020, 07:51:06 PM
I'm pleased to read that Soon have three 'key' players out injured.
"Ralph Hasenhuettl confirms that Kyle Walker-Peters has a calf injury and will miss Saturday’s game v Villa

Redmond out for an indeterminate time...

Boufal likely to be out with a heel problem - hasn’t trained yet this week"
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on February 20, 2020, 08:17:59 PM
Boufal likely to be out with a heel problem - hasn’t trained yet this week"

That could be the key heel in a VAR decision!!
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smithy on February 20, 2020, 09:03:43 PM
Redmond is a big miss for them, he's created as many chances for them as Jack has for us this season (though they haven't scored as many of them as we have of Jack's).
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2020, 01:12:01 AM
Don't believe everything you read in the press. (fingers crossed).
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 21, 2020, 08:15:47 AM
Please win, please win, please win. Only been once, lost 3-1 in the league cup, season we went down. My lad is going with his mates and I hope he has a better time than I did
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2020, 08:19:03 AM
Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on February 21, 2020, 09:21:57 AM
Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!

I agree bit stupid by smith tbh. Saying things like this hardly ever happens when you talk about it like he did.

The biggest decision for me is if he sticks with three at the back? I think its not working and we need to go back to four at the back with a extra cm. Stick nakamba in front of the back four and have luiz and conor just ahead of him
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 21, 2020, 10:29:34 AM
Redmond is a big miss for them, he's created as many chances for them as Jack has for us this season (though they haven't scored as many of them as we have of Jack's).


agree , this is good news .. Just need Long to pick up a niggle :)
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on February 21, 2020, 10:34:56 AM
Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!

“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smithy on February 21, 2020, 11:13:54 AM
Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!

If he'd said "It's a tough place to go, we'll have to be at our very best to get anything from the game" there would be people criticising him for being defeatist.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Oscar Arce on February 21, 2020, 11:24:10 AM
Each game is becoming more must win.
After last week's defensive debacle I'm sure we'll be the wrong side of a five goal thriller.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on February 21, 2020, 11:38:13 AM
Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!

If he'd said "It's a tough place to go, we'll have to be at our very best to get anything from the game" there would be people criticising him for being defeatist.

Or he could have just not said either? Just say we know st marys is a tough place to go but we untend to go there give them a game and make ot difficult for them.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 21, 2020, 11:53:42 AM
Whatever he says he would be criticised for and does anyone really think that Premier League players need to be motivated by what the opposition manager does?
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: remy on February 21, 2020, 12:03:58 PM
Think Ings will score twice in the first half and we will pull back 2 in the second. Miss a sitter to win it and come back with a point lamenting what could have been.

One week to go for our Cup Final so probably not a gung ho performance.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2020, 12:05:30 PM
Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!

“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.

Nice exaggeration. Of course players don't intend to play poorly but I can't have imagined post-match interviews in the past when a player/manager says they wanted to ram the words of the opposition down their throats etc. It's marginal gains at this level and finding new ways to motivate players is always welcomed by management. I'm not saying it will make a difference, just that it comes across as a tad naive from your cousin to talk about it the way he did.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2020, 12:11:14 PM
Tough one to predict.

Southampton did a great job on us at VP. Hard to believe that was just two months ago and they were below us then.

However their style simply dosen't work as well at St Marys. Just 3 home wins  all season isn't it and they rarely score more than one goal at home.

Feels like I predict a draw every week currently and in rare fashion we're not doing it much this season. Worried about Ings being the difference like Son last week as he's been in great form most of the season but can see us getting chances on the break.

2-2 which in the short term is o.k for me given Watford are away to Man. United and West Ham away to Liverpool so I'd be very disappointed if we drop into the bottom 3 this weekend.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: stuart r on February 21, 2020, 12:28:53 PM
Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!

“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.

Nice exaggeration. Of course players don't intend to play poorly but I can't have imagined post-match interviews in the past when a player/manager says they wanted to ram the words of the opposition down their throats etc. It's marginal gains at this level and finding new ways to motivate players is always welcomed by management. I'm not saying it will make a difference, just that it comes across as a tad naive from your cousin to talk about it the way he did.

Ah yes, but what about all those games we don't hear about? The manager has cut out newspaper quotes and pinned them on the changing room wall (has this ever really happened?) only for his team to totally fail to ram the words of the opposition manager down his throat. They trudge off the pitch having lost 4-0 and pretty much confirmed the opposition manager pre-match hunch to be true. We don't hear about them. The kit-man silently takes down the cuttings and there is an unspoken but understood agreement among everyone in the changing room to never speak of this again...

We need to see all of the available data on this. % of wins when the manager has pinned newspaper cuttings up versus % when he hasn't. Then we can talk.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2020, 12:58:37 PM
Fair point Stuart (Ripley? An ex-Saint - get out!)
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: avfcpg on February 21, 2020, 04:12:13 PM
Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!

“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.

Nice exaggeration. Of course players don't intend to play poorly but I can't have imagined post-match interviews in the past when a player/manager says they wanted to ram the words of the opposition down their throats etc. It's marginal gains at this level and finding new ways to motivate players is always welcomed by management. I'm not saying it will make a difference, just that it comes across as a tad naive from your cousin to talk about it the way he did.

Ah yes, but what about all those games we don't hear about? The manager has cut out newspaper quotes and pinned them on the changing room wall (has this ever really happened?) only for his team to totally fail to ram the words of the opposition manager down his throat. They trudge off the pitch having lost 4-0 and pretty much confirmed the opposition manager pre-match hunch to be true. We don't hear about them. The kit-man silently takes down the cuttings and there is an unspoken but understood agreement among everyone in the changing room to never speak of this again...

We need to see all of the available data on this. % of wins when the manager has pinned newspaper cuttings up versus % when he hasn't. Then we can talk.

Who buys a newspaper anymore? :-)
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2020, 04:13:06 PM
We can not afford to lose this.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 21, 2020, 04:24:11 PM
Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!

“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.

By all accounts they lack our current work ethic. Soft, southern shandy drinking, lazy arses. They'll be up for the game, probably see us as 3 easy points. Their strength is catching teams on the counter attack. Ask them to build up anything and they run out of ideas and collapse, which is why their home form is so poor. It's obviously frustrated their fans as it had for us at Villa Park from most of this century.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on February 21, 2020, 05:19:42 PM
Spurs never win away.
Saints never win at home.
Enter Aston Villa, available for parties, weddings, funerals, etc etc
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on February 21, 2020, 06:22:07 PM
Surprised that Dean waxed lyrical about Southampton's home-form and that we'd be looking to take advantage of that. Isn't that what leads to the cliché opponents riposte post-game of "We pinned-up those quotes in the dressing room which gave us extra motivation to win" ?!

“We’d intended to play poorly but when we saw what Dean Smith had said we decided to try harder”.

Nice exaggeration. Of course players don't intend to play poorly but I can't have imagined post-match interviews in the past when a player/manager says they wanted to ram the words of the opposition down their throats etc. It's marginal gains at this level and finding new ways to motivate players is always welcomed by management. I'm not saying it will make a difference, just that it comes across as a tad naive from your cousin to talk about it the way he did.

I honestly don’t think it makes any material difference. It gets highlighted if a team win and can then point at the opposition manager’s words but it’s never mentioned when the result goes against them therefore making it seem as though it acts as a motivator.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 21, 2020, 06:34:21 PM
Just fucking win Villa.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CT on February 21, 2020, 07:07:43 PM
Just fucking win Villa.

This.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on February 21, 2020, 07:49:32 PM
3-0 to saints but only because when I vote a Villa win we lose so I’m hoping for the opposite
the only time I ever call it right is when we lose!
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2020, 08:00:10 PM
Just fucking win Villa.

All you've got to do is win. My favourite Bowie song since he died
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 21, 2020, 08:11:19 PM
Always felt like one of our bogey teams (though there are a bloody lot of them these days!).

Them 2-1 Us.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on February 21, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
Got it on with a Southampton supporter from work a few (20- fkn hell!) years back. I always think of her when we play them. Good times
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 22, 2020, 07:31:02 AM
If Smith starts Drinkwater and we lose, then he deserves the sack.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 22, 2020, 07:38:06 AM
Latin Lions are at Southampton today, look out for them
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 22, 2020, 08:40:20 AM
It’s going to be difficult, but we desperately need a win today. I don’t care how just fucking win Villa.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 22, 2020, 08:50:08 AM
Come on the Villa boys! We only have wet spam to play in the current bottom 6. We have only achieved 1 point against the high fliers. If we are to stay up we have to be collecting points (and preferably 3! ) from each of the mid-table teams like Soton. Let's do these today! UTV!
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on February 22, 2020, 09:42:01 AM
Beat these beige fuckers into the ground please.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on February 22, 2020, 09:53:51 AM
Come on the Villa boys! We only have wet spam to play in the current bottom 6. We have only achieved 1 point against the high fliers. If we are to stay up we have to be collecting points (and preferably 3! ) from each of the mid-table teams like Soton. Let's do these today! UTV!

That’s a genuinely shocking stat when you consider how many good performances (and leads) we’ve had against those teams.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villan82 on February 22, 2020, 09:59:53 AM
Come on the Villa boys! We only have wet spam to play in the current bottom 6. We have only achieved 1 point against the high fliers. If we are to stay up we have to be collecting points (and preferably 3! ) from each of the mid-table teams like Soton. Let's do these today! UTV!

That’s a genuinely shocking stat when you consider how many good performances (and leads) we’ve had against those teams.

The manager has fucked up 4-5 points that we should have in the bag.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on February 22, 2020, 10:06:25 AM
Three points would be massive today. It would put pressure on the teams below us as well who are not paying today.

Samatta is a very generous 9/1 on Skybet for the first goal.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on February 22, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
I reckon we gonna go mental and score 6. 
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 22, 2020, 10:45:00 AM
It would be great if we put in a Norwich-away performance
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on February 22, 2020, 10:56:48 AM
Oh god. Lawro has backed us.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 22, 2020, 10:59:18 AM
Oh god. Lawro has backed us.

3 pundits in talk sport have all backed us to lose so that evens that out.

Cliche, but 1st goal is everything in this one for me. C’mon the lads.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on February 22, 2020, 11:06:06 AM
It'll be interesting to see who he drops if Mings comes back in.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on February 22, 2020, 11:09:40 AM
Engels.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on February 22, 2020, 11:12:51 AM
If Tyrone is still not fit we lose, if fit going for a draw.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on February 22, 2020, 11:21:52 AM
It would be great if we put in a Norwich-away performance

They're the only team thats taken less points than us on the road.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 22, 2020, 11:45:11 AM
A clean sheet would be nice.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on February 22, 2020, 11:48:20 AM
Be the first one away from home all season.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on February 22, 2020, 11:49:37 AM
Engels.

Without the massive bollock dropped last week, I'd have said Hause, but I'm concerned about Engels confidence.

Hause puts us under so much pressure with his complete inability to transition the ball quickly and effectively to a Villa player.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: themossman on February 22, 2020, 11:50:56 AM
Hause for me. Engels is a better player.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on February 22, 2020, 12:11:44 PM
Hause for me. Engels is a better player.

I totally agree. It is what I think Smith will do if Mings is back.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 22, 2020, 12:12:17 PM
Engels.

Without the massive bollock dropped last week, I'd have said Hause, but I'm concerned about Engels confidence.

Hause puts us under so much pressure with his complete inability to transition the ball quickly and effectively to a Villa player.

It might help if players actually wanted the ball. See our throw-ins too.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on February 22, 2020, 12:15:12 PM
Douglas and Jack want the ball, Hause takes far too long to come to a decision and recycles it so cheaply its infuriating.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 22, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
Hause is odd. I watch him close up at Stoke last season (think he was at LB that game) and he was calm and composed in possession every time, didn't hoof and didn't give it away once.

Can only think the quicker closing down is something he can't cope with but he dosen't half take an age to make simple clearances.

Think Engels will drop out anyway as Konsa-Mings-Hause has been our regular back 3 since new year.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 22, 2020, 12:29:38 PM
Anyone having trouble with trains, my son is stuck at Lea Hall after getting on the train at New Street at 11, don’t think it’s happening
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: auntiesledd on February 22, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
If Tyrone is still not fit we lose, if fit going for a draw.

I'm with ya, Lew. Fingers & toes crossed he plays & we get sommat out the game then.

Come on Villa. Let's be 'avin you!
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 22, 2020, 12:42:55 PM
Anyone having trouble with trains, my son is stuck at Lea Hall after getting on the train at New Street at 11, don’t think it’s happening

Probably not what you want to hear...
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A fault on a train at Marston Green means the line towards Birmingham International is blocked. As a result of this, trains may be cancelled or delayed.

This is expected until 14:00.
National Rail disruption link (http://m.nationalrail.co.uk/pj/disruption/details/AA32C903C4DC4710B94FB575FB01D9E3)
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 22, 2020, 12:44:40 PM
Cheers, he’s giving up, maybe a win if he’s not there! He didn’t go to Burnley so......
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 22, 2020, 12:49:46 PM
Anyone having trouble with trains, my son is stuck at Lea Hall after getting on the train at New Street at 11, don’t think it’s happening

Are you sure he's on the right train? There weren't any trains leaving New St to Southampton at 11am. 10.04, 10.33, after that is the 12.04 which arrives at Southampton Central at 15.04.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 22, 2020, 12:54:16 PM
Anyone having trouble with trains, my son is stuck at Lea Hall after getting on the train at New Street at 11, don’t think it’s happening

Are you sure he's on the right train? There weren't any trains leaving New St to Southampton at 11am. 10.04, 10.33, after that is the 12.04 which arrives at Southampton Central at 15.04.

It was around 11 from New Street to Southampton, should have been in around 2. But a landslide near Winchester meant a change there then bus, but his train got stuck behind a broken train.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 22, 2020, 01:08:54 PM
Anyone having trouble with trains, my son is stuck at Lea Hall after getting on the train at New Street at 11, don’t think it’s happening

Are you sure he's on the right train? There weren't any trains leaving New St to Southampton at 11am. 10.04, 10.33, after that is the 12.04 which arrives at Southampton Central at 15.04.

It was around 11 from New Street to Southampton, should have been in around 2. But a landslide near Winchester meant a change there then bus, but his train got stuck behind a broken train.

Sounds like the 10.33 arriving at 14.05. It's still listed as arriving on time but you know what trains are like in the UK..right now he should be on the train from Basingstoke to Winchester.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 22, 2020, 01:12:07 PM
Fingers crossed for a result today. Worried about our defence but think we'll definitely put the ball in the net more than once. Whether or not VAR decides to rob us again is another story.

Up The Villa
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on February 22, 2020, 01:55:57 PM
No drinkwater for the love of god
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 22, 2020, 02:00:46 PM
No drinkwater for the love of god

On the bench.

Mings in for Engels only other change from last Sunday.
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 22, 2020, 02:02:44 PM
Bye Danny, thank fuck
Title: Re: Southampton vs Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 22, 2020, 02:03:35 PM
Interesting team news from Saints....

Ward Prowse again at RB so have to get Jack lots of ball today. Got a player called Will Smallbone making his debut in midfield aswell.
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