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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Madferret62 on February 16, 2020, 11:54:54 PM

Title: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Madferret62 on February 16, 2020, 11:54:54 PM
So if you were the two blokes sat in seats x and x who thought it was funny to bellow about Yids and mad3 hissing noises and then had a go at my wife for reporting your vile racism FUCK YOU. We’ ll “grass” on you again and again and again until scum like you are driven from VP. Enjoy your ban which you richly deserve.

Btw if you threaten me again I will happily take you up on your offer. You are both cowards and racist scum.

EDIT: Seat numbers removed so as not to jeopardise any further action.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: cdbullyweefan on February 17, 2020, 12:53:33 AM
Fucking twats mate.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Axl Rose on February 17, 2020, 02:54:59 AM
Good on you and your wife for saying something, mate. Fucking wankers. Embarrassing, stone age mentality.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on February 17, 2020, 06:22:18 AM
So if you were the two blokes sat in seats x and x who thought it was funny to bellow about Yids and mad3 hissing noises and then had a go at my wife for reporting your vile racism FUCK YOU. We’ ll “grass” on you again and again and again until scum like you are driven from VP. Enjoy your ban which you richly deserve.

Btw if you threaten me again I will happily take you up on your offer. You are both cowards and racist scum.

EDIT: Seat numbers removed so as not to jeopardise any further action.
Well done mate, this stuff needs to be called out for what it is. I was a called a c*nt in front of my 12 year old daughter at the Leicester game. Unfortunately we have some horrible followers, I suppose it's a reflection on society as a whole.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 17, 2020, 07:52:49 AM
Excellent, well done to you and your wife. I had a go at an idiot a few years ago for the same shit against Spurs. Well done
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 08:14:53 AM
Good for you. dont need fools like this representing our club
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: CT on February 17, 2020, 08:26:32 AM
Good on you mate. Hopefully long bans follow for those cavemen.

Something interesting (to me) happened on the walk up yesterday. It was about 1.40pm, obviously very busy on Witton Lane. Lots of Spurs fans mingling about before heading in.

Now I don't know anything about Spurs and their claim to the "Y" word. All I know is that they started singing it, as they do, and it was the vast majority.

Now here's the interesting bit. A family walked past me, Dad, Mum and a kid of about 8 years old, ish.

The main group of fans started singing Y Army to which the young kid, but neither parent, noisily joined in. They carried on, obviously all completely normal to them.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: amfy on February 17, 2020, 08:37:12 AM
Good on you mate. Hopefully long bans follow for those cavemen.

Something interesting (to me) happened on the walk up yesterday. It was about 1.40pm, obviously very busy on Witton Lane. Lots of Spurs fans mingling about before heading in.

Now I don't know anything about Spurs and their claim to the "Y" word. All I know is that they started singing it, as they do, and it was the vast majority.

Now here's the interesting bit. A family walked past me, Dad, Mum and a kid of about 8 years old, ish.

The main group of fans started singing Y Army to which the young kid, but neither parent, noisily joined in. They carried on, obviously all completely normal to them.

There are many Spurs fans that think it is OK to ‘reclaim’ that word but not all of them are Jewish, and there are many others that don’t think it’s OK.

....but in the context of opposing fans using it ‘against’ them and accompanying it with hissing noises there is no debate.

(I am the wife)
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: in exile on February 17, 2020, 08:42:54 AM
Well done on calling them out.
It was a brave and right thing to do.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 17, 2020, 08:48:32 AM
Well done Mr & Mrs Ferret. I hope the club with deal with them in the only way possible, lengthy bans.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: chrisw1 on February 17, 2020, 08:59:09 AM
Well done for making a stand.  It's just unbelievable that people think this sort of thing is acceptable in this day and age.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 17, 2020, 09:09:44 AM
Good work Madferret. Kick it out, as they say.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 17, 2020, 09:11:33 AM
Good on you mate. Hopefully long bans follow for those cavemen.

Something interesting (to me) happened on the walk up yesterday. It was about 1.40pm, obviously very busy on Witton Lane. Lots of Spurs fans mingling about before heading in.

Now I don't know anything about Spurs and their claim to the "Y" word. All I know is that they started singing it, as they do, and it was the vast majority.

Now here's the interesting bit. A family walked past me, Dad, Mum and a kid of about 8 years old, ish.

The main group of fans started singing Y Army to which the young kid, but neither parent, noisily joined in. They carried on, obviously all completely normal to them.

There are many Spurs fans that think it is OK to ‘reclaim’ that word but not all of them are Jewish, and there are many others that don’t think it’s OK.

....but in the context of opposing fans using it ‘against’ them and accompanying it with hissing noises there is no debate.

(I am the wife)

Yid Army is their hooligan 'firm', another thing that you'd hope we've seen the back of. I think we probably have for the most part but some fans still like to pretend it seems. I think it's supposed to be intimidating or something. Our lot used to chant 'Villa Youth', maybe still do but i haven't heard it for a long time.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: p_ad on February 17, 2020, 10:11:36 AM
Well done both of you it can be a bit scarey standing up to racist bullies, hats off to you both
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2020, 10:19:11 AM
So if you were the two blokes sat in seats x and x who thought it was funny to bellow about Yids and mad3 hissing noises and then had a go at my wife for reporting your vile racism FUCK YOU. We’ ll “grass” on you again and again and again until scum like you are driven from VP. Enjoy your ban which you richly deserve.

Btw if you threaten me again I will happily take you up on your offer. You are both cowards and racist scum.

EDIT: Seat numbers removed so as not to jeopardise any further action.

I'd have left their seat numbers in so that people could keep an eye out for them.  If you have any more threats, just tell us on here.  There'll be no shortage of people more than willing to have your back.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Bren'd on February 17, 2020, 10:22:16 AM
A good few years ago the same thing happened near me with two idiots. I told them they were out of order and to stop their "banter" as they called it. They continued so I wrote to the club which resulted in the police contacting me.  They wanted to take it further but I thought a few hours in a cell and questioning might be enough to get the message across to them. They were back in their same seats for the next game acting defiantly and as though they'd done nothing wrong.  I reminded them that any repeat of their previous actions and I would take it further.  Never seen them again after that and assume they've stopped going or have moved to a different part of the ground.  I seem to recall they were from Telford or around there.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: amfy on February 17, 2020, 11:11:33 AM
First off I just gave him a look which made it clear I wasn’t happy and he just smirked and said ‘I’m German - me - look it up they’re called Yids in the dictionary’.

Sometimes a ‘look’ is enough in such situations - I once shut down a group of about 15 lads singing the Tracey Andrews song with one of my ‘looks’ - I think I can have quite a stern one!


However - he carried on but it became clear that he was now doing it more to wind me up than anything else.


I went to the steward and reported him rather than get into an argument.

When I came back he was repeatedly calling me a grass but I tried to ignore him and carry on watching the game. Then his mate said ‘If you don’t like it don’t come down the match’ - & for some reason that was the thing that made me lose it!

I shouted at him that I was a grass & I’d grass him again and again and that it was him that shouldn’t be at the match.

My husband pulled me away & he started on my husband - offering him out.


The steward arrived and calmed it down but by that point I was shouting at him too. I said that when we report racism we should be protected and I shouldn’t have had to put up with that.
Then at that moment Spurs scored the winner - which was crap but diffused then situation because they left. I just sat there feeling completely sick about the whole incident and losing the game all at once. It was like falling down a massive hole!

The steward asked if I wanted to make a statement and people in front of me then turned round and said ‘Yes she f-in does!’ & I felt glad to have some support at that point. They only spoke to me though.

It’s horrible to kind of dread going back to the seat I have had for 16 years now, but I had promised myself I wouldn’t let racism go by me anymore & I am glad I stood by that.







Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Axl Rose on February 17, 2020, 11:15:35 AM
Well done, Amfy. You are an absolute star. I'm so sorry that you had to endure such morons at Villa Park. Much admiration for how you behaved in that horrible situation.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: colin69 on February 17, 2020, 11:29:49 AM
There really are some idiots out there. Absolute disgrace and fair play to both of you for calling them out.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Pete3206 on February 17, 2020, 02:34:07 PM
No one should have to endure that sort of treatment. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 17, 2020, 02:51:17 PM
First off I just gave him a look which made it clear I wasn’t happy and he just smirked and said ‘I’m German - me - look it up they’re called Yids in the dictionary’.

Sometimes a ‘look’ is enough in such situations - I once shut down a group of about 15 lads singing the Tracey Andrews song with one of my ‘looks’ - I think I can have quite a stern one!


However - he carried on but it became clear that he was now doing it more to wind me up than anything else.


I went to the steward and reported him rather than get into an argument.

When I came back he was repeatedly calling me a grass but I tried to ignore him and carry on watching the game. Then his mate said ‘If you don’t like it don’t come down the match’ - & for some reason that was the thing that made me lose it!

I shouted at him that I was a grass & I’d grass him again and again and that it was him that shouldn’t be at the match.

My husband pulled me away & he started on my husband - offering him out.


The steward arrived and calmed it down but by that point I was shouting at him too. I said that when we report racism we should be protected and I shouldn’t have had to put up with that.
Then at that moment Spurs scored the winner - which was crap but diffused then situation because they left. I just sat there feeling completely sick about the whole incident and losing the game all at once. It was like falling down a massive hole!

The steward asked if I wanted to make a statement and people in front of me then turned round and said ‘Yes she f-in does!’ & I felt glad to have some support at that point. They only spoke to me though.

It’s horrible to kind of dread going back to the seat I have had for 16 years now, but I had promised myself I wouldn’t let racism go by me anymore & I am glad I stood by that.

There's been some discussion over this matter in the last few days, following the OED extending their definition. THFC are not happy. talksport (https://talksport.com/football/668945/tottenham-oxford-english-dictionary-oed-yiddo-yid/) have a good concise piece on the matter.

However, anyone one that thinks its inclusion somehow justifies its use is obviously an arsehole.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Nelly on February 17, 2020, 03:01:11 PM
Thank you so much for being so brave and acting on it. I know some might just see it as winding Spurs fans up but gassing noises, when you think about what they're imitating, that's probably the most disgusting thing someone could do. Genuinely, thank you.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: spartacuss on February 17, 2020, 03:25:48 PM
Full respect to Madferret62 and amfy for their brave stand.  I think this whole topic and the exchanges it's generated should be forwarded to the Spurs fans' websites, just in case they were subjected to similar behaviour we don't know about by arseholes masquerading as Villa 'fans'.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Holte L2 on February 17, 2020, 04:14:32 PM
What block was this in? I sit in Row Z in L2.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: dalians umbrella on February 17, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
I remember either seeing or reading an interview with Christian Purslow where he said the club would be clamping down on antisocial behaviour - and I don't think he was even referring to stuff as bad as this - so I think it's important something written goes into the club rather than just relying on a steward, so that it makes its way to him.

Also, I'm glad to see you've removed the seat numbers as you never know if this is a season ticket re-sale - my Dad and I re-sold our tickets for the Spurs game as we couldn't make it (not in the Holte) and I'd hate to see our seat numbers online associated with this sort of scum-baggery.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Rigadon on February 17, 2020, 06:11:57 PM
Well done for making a stand in what I'm sure was an awful situation.   Very brave. 
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 17, 2020, 06:23:25 PM
Well done to both of you, total respect
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 17, 2020, 06:41:53 PM
It takes a lot to stand up to people in the ground, so well done to you both.

Whilst I seen some anti social behaviour in the ground, fortunately I haven’t any racism for quite some time. However, sadly it seems that it’s becoming more prevalent again and people who think this way are becoming more confident in spurting their bile in public.

Well done again
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: tomd2103 on February 17, 2020, 06:46:02 PM
I remember either seeing or reading an interview with Christian Purslow where he said the club would be clamping down on antisocial behaviour - and I don't think he was even referring to stuff as bad as this - so I think it's important something written goes into the club rather than just relying on a steward, so that it makes its way to him.

Also, I'm glad to see you've removed the seat numbers as you never know if this is a season ticket re-sale - my Dad and I re-sold our tickets for the Spurs game as we couldn't make it (not in the Holte) and I'd hate to see our seat numbers online associated with this sort of scum-baggery.

Would echo the suggestion of putting something in writing to the club.  The fact that they threatened you both when you raised your objections to the filth they were coming out with definitely needs reporting.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: amfy on February 17, 2020, 07:02:36 PM
I remember either seeing or reading an interview with Christian Purslow where he said the club would be clamping down on antisocial behaviour - and I don't think he was even referring to stuff as bad as this - so I think it's important something written goes into the club rather than just relying on a steward, so that it makes its way to him.

Also, I'm glad to see you've removed the seat numbers as you never know if this is a season ticket re-sale - my Dad and I re-sold our tickets for the Spurs game as we couldn't make it (not in the Holte) and I'd hate to see our seat numbers online associated with this sort of scum-baggery.

Would echo the suggestion of putting something in writing to the club.  The fact that they threatened you both when you raised your objections to the filth they were coming out with definitely needs reporting.

I made a brief statement to a Senior Steward after the game and he took my details. They said the club will be in touch to let me know what action they decide to take.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: olaftab on February 17, 2020, 07:16:58 PM
Well done amfy. We need more like you at VP to challenge all forms of prejudice. A lot of good decent fans are not prepared to make that call, may be for good reason in prevailing atmosphere,  and that’s a shame.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: FatSam on February 17, 2020, 07:18:16 PM
Well done for standing up to this, and for posting. It’s also a good reminder that to stick up for people who call someone out for behaving in this way, so that they aren’t intimidated.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 17, 2020, 07:19:31 PM
10 years ago I reported a racist in the lower holte, probably L4 row J. We played Arsenal at home and the language disgusted me so much I left at HT and went to complain.

Club phoned me and assured me they would never be attending a game at VP again.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 17, 2020, 07:36:27 PM
So if you were the two blokes sat in seats x and x who thought it was funny to bellow about Yids and mad3 hissing noises and then had a go at my wife for reporting your vile racism FUCK YOU. We’ ll “grass” on you again and again and again until scum like you are driven from VP. Enjoy your ban which you richly deserve.

Btw if you threaten me again I will happily take you up on your offer. You are both cowards and racist scum.

EDIT: Seat numbers removed so as not to jeopardise any further action.

I saw a tweet about this, well done to you both, we need more of this as self policing is the only way to stop these knuckle dragging wankers.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: purpletrousers on February 17, 2020, 07:44:41 PM
We had a similar incident, one off not persistant but a previous offender apparently, earlier in the season.

The club were fast and very good, promised interim action pending WMP outcome. I’m confident they will act, but I would get in touch and request to know what is happening. As long as you are prepared to be a witness he’ll get done. We got everyone around to report it - on the night, kick it out app, email next day. Not been seen since.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: frank on February 17, 2020, 09:08:38 PM
Very brave action - well done Amfy. You were obviously still very upset when we spoke after the game
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2020, 09:52:24 PM
First off I just gave him a look which made it clear I wasn’t happy and he just smirked and said ‘I’m German - me - look it up they’re called Yids in the dictionary’.

Sometimes a ‘look’ is enough in such situations - I once shut down a group of about 15 lads singing the Tracey Andrews song with one of my ‘looks’ - I think I can have quite a stern one!


However - he carried on but it became clear that he was now doing it more to wind me up than anything else.


I went to the steward and reported him rather than get into an argument.

When I came back he was repeatedly calling me a grass but I tried to ignore him and carry on watching the game. Then his mate said ‘If you don’t like it don’t come down the match’ - & for some reason that was the thing that made me lose it!

I shouted at him that I was a grass & I’d grass him again and again and that it was him that shouldn’t be at the match.

My husband pulled me away & he started on my husband - offering him out.


The steward arrived and calmed it down but by that point I was shouting at him too. I said that when we report racism we should be protected and I shouldn’t have had to put up with that.
Then at that moment Spurs scored the winner - which was crap but diffused then situation because they left. I just sat there feeling completely sick about the whole incident and losing the game all at once. It was like falling down a massive hole!

The steward asked if I wanted to make a statement and people in front of me then turned round and said ‘Yes she f-in does!’ & I felt glad to have some support at that point. They only spoke to me though.

It’s horrible to kind of dread going back to the seat I have had for 16 years now, but I had promised myself I wouldn’t let racism go by me anymore & I am glad I stood by that.









Well done, amfy. That kind of shit is intolerable.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Mike Jeffries on February 17, 2020, 10:53:33 PM
Wondering about a bit of a show of strength all heading to our seats in L7 together thing at next home game ? But just a thought, for now the important stuff is well done and hopeful the club acts quickly and in the right manner, based on other folks experiences in this thread.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Madferret62 on February 17, 2020, 11:38:00 PM
We’re grateful for the show of support here, good to know that our fellow Villains have our backs. We’ll let you all know how it turns out.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: charleeco7 on February 18, 2020, 06:07:13 AM
Excellent Amfy, you should be proud of your actions and the way you handled the situation.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Clampy on February 18, 2020, 07:02:03 AM
Well done Amfy.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: algy on February 18, 2020, 01:15:34 PM
First off I just gave him a look which made it clear I wasn’t happy and he just smirked and said ‘I’m German - me - look it up they’re called Yids in the dictionary’.

Sometimes a ‘look’ is enough in such situations - I once shut down a group of about 15 lads singing the Tracey Andrews song with one of my ‘looks’ - I think I can have quite a stern one!


However - he carried on but it became clear that he was now doing it more to wind me up than anything else.


I went to the steward and reported him rather than get into an argument.

When I came back he was repeatedly calling me a grass but I tried to ignore him and carry on watching the game. Then his mate said ‘If you don’t like it don’t come down the match’ - & for some reason that was the thing that made me lose it!

I shouted at him that I was a grass & I’d grass him again and again and that it was him that shouldn’t be at the match.

My husband pulled me away & he started on my husband - offering him out.


The steward arrived and calmed it down but by that point I was shouting at him too. I said that when we report racism we should be protected and I shouldn’t have had to put up with that.
Then at that moment Spurs scored the winner - which was crap but diffused then situation because they left. I just sat there feeling completely sick about the whole incident and losing the game all at once. It was like falling down a massive hole!

The steward asked if I wanted to make a statement and people in front of me then turned round and said ‘Yes she f-in does!’ & I felt glad to have some support at that point. They only spoke to me though.

It’s horrible to kind of dread going back to the seat I have had for 16 years now, but I had promised myself I wouldn’t let racism go by me anymore & I am glad I stood by that.
You're absolute heroes, both of you.  Good on you. 
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Villan For Life on February 18, 2020, 01:27:54 PM
Well done Amfy and Mad Ferrett, the world needs more people like you in it.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Flin5tone on February 18, 2020, 04:31:34 PM
Good Work!


let's hope these morons never see Villa Park again, comes to something when the Club have to put a note in the envelope with Wembley Tickets with a message from Purslow about fan behaviour at Wembley, not just kids usually either , I love a beer or ten but unfortunately some can't handle it and find anti-social behaviour part of their day out .



Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Louzie0 on February 19, 2020, 01:31:23 PM
This behaviour sounds horrible and has no place at VP or anywhere in football.

Well done to Amfy and madferret for calling it out.

Interested in what the club have done since because they know exactly where these 2 perpetrators were sitting.





Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 19, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
In fairness the club is pretty good at dealing quickly with this sort of intolerant behaviour.

All I say to anyone is if they ever want to report anything then go directly to a Senior Steward (they all wear yellow coats and are a minimum of 2 per stand) and they can support you as they all now wear live video cameras which is used in any confrontation with supporters that may require back up evidence.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Phagwara villa on February 19, 2020, 03:11:03 PM
Hi

Tottenham supporters  identify themselves as yids and have done since the 70s, before this other team's especially London ones would chant yid at spurs. So Tottenham fans started to call themselves yids,  its part of their identity.

I'm not for grassing,  it won't go down well you won't be popular.

Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: andyh on February 19, 2020, 03:25:54 PM
twat alert !!
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Phagwara villa on February 19, 2020, 03:28:30 PM
twat alert !!
you are denying people of their identity, Tottenham of their Jewish heritage,  and working class villa fans , we take the piss and say  non politically correct things.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 19, 2020, 03:35:43 PM
twat alert !!
you are denying people of their identity, Tottenham of their Jewish heritage,  and working class villa fans , we take the piss and say  non politically correct things.

The "working class" racist is back! Glory be!
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Phagwara villa on February 19, 2020, 03:38:43 PM
Big punjabi  community in ealing and hayes they support edl some do
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 19, 2020, 03:41:35 PM
Big punjabi  community in ealing and hayes they support edl some do

You're thinking of Southall rather than Ealing. And they know a racist c*** when they see one.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: andyh on February 19, 2020, 03:44:27 PM
Oh, fucking hell....not again.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Phagwara villa on February 19, 2020, 03:44:41 PM
Big punjabi  community in ealing and hayes they support edl some do

You're thinking of Southall rather than Ealing. And they know a racist c*** when they see one.
your out touch punjabis have started to leave southall due to somalian immigrants,  most have gone to Slough and Langley.  Their community had representatives on the edl scene.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Phagwara villa on February 19, 2020, 03:47:50 PM
Big punjabi  community in ealing and hayes they support edl some do

You're thinking of Southall rather than Ealing. And they know a racist c*** when they see one.
so you are from ealing and you only associate southall with punjabis , your narrow minded plenty in uxbridge,  hayes and slough
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 19, 2020, 03:49:51 PM
Big punjabi  community in ealing and hayes they support edl some do

You're thinking of Southall rather than Ealing. And they know a racist c*** when they see one.
so you are from ealing and you only associate southall with punjabis , your narrow minded plenty in uxbridge,  hayes and slough

I live in Ealing, which means I have no reason to ever go to Uxbridge, Hayes or Slough. Keep going though, you're giving me a hard-on.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Phagwara villa on February 19, 2020, 03:52:04 PM
Big punjabi  community in ealing and hayes they support edl some do

You're thinking of Southall rather than Ealing. And they know a racist c*** when they see one.
so you are from ealing and you only associate southall with punjabis , your narrow minded plenty in uxbridge,  hayes and slough

I live in Ealing, which means I have no reason to ever go to Uxbridge, Hayes or Slough. Keep going though, you're giving me a hard-on.
so you have never Been outside of your area. ? Don't you mix with other people,  I know Shere Punjab southall and hayes
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 19, 2020, 03:55:36 PM
Big punjabi  community in ealing and hayes they support edl some do

You're thinking of Southall rather than Ealing. And they know a racist c*** when they see one.
so you are from ealing and you only associate southall with punjabis , your narrow minded plenty in uxbridge,  hayes and slough

I live in Ealing, which means I have no reason to ever go to Uxbridge, Hayes or Slough. Keep going though, you're giving me a hard-on.
so you have never Been outside of your area. ? Don't you mix with other people,  I know Shere Punjab southall and hayes

I have been to all of those places. I congratulate you on your purchase of a computer since crawling from the sea.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: AV82EC on February 19, 2020, 04:18:05 PM
I see it’s half term again and the working class salt of the earth British racists are out in force again. These two events are not necessarily related.

Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 19, 2020, 04:47:21 PM
Hayes is Zone 5 innit? no self respecting Londoner would travel that far. It's closer to Wales than central London, any further West and you fall off the edge of the Earth
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 19, 2020, 05:52:06 PM
Hi

Tottenham supporters  identify themselves as yids and have done since the 70s, before this other team's especially London ones would chant yid at spurs. So Tottenham fans started to call themselves yids,  its part of their identity.

I'm not for grassing,  it won't go down well you won't be popular.

Whether some spurs have for generations reclaimed the word ‘Yid’ isn’t the point. The point it was being used by presumably non Jewish people alongside gassing noises, presumably relating to the holocaust, ignorant and racist end of.

What you’ve said above aligns with some black people reclaiming the N word and then saying that it’s perfectly acceptable for me as a white man to use that word.

I grew up on a multi cultural council estate in inner city brum and cannot for the life of me understand people who hate and then try and justify it
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 19, 2020, 06:11:06 PM
Hayes is Zone 5 innit? no self respecting Londoner would travel that far. It's closer to Wales than central London, any further West and you fall off the edge of the Earth

Indeed.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: KevinGage on February 19, 2020, 07:44:43 PM
Big punjabi  community in ealing and hayes they support edl some do

You're thinking of Southall rather than Ealing. And they know a racist c*** when they see one.
your out touch punjabis have started to leave southall due to somalian immigrants,  most have gone to Slough and Langley.  Their community had representatives on the edl scene.

I only come on here for EDL updates.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: CT on February 19, 2020, 08:20:49 PM
Big punjabi  community in ealing and hayes they support edl some do

You're thinking of Southall rather than Ealing. And they know a racist c*** when they see one.
your out touch punjabis have started to leave southall due to somalian immigrants,  most have gone to Slough and Langley.  Their community had representatives on the edl scene.

I only come on here for EDL updates.
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Big punjabi  community in ealing and hayes they support edl some do

You're thinking of Southall rather than Ealing. And they know a racist c*** when they see one.
your out touch punjabis have started to leave southall due to somalian immigrants,  most have gone to Slough and Langley.  Their community had representatives on the edl scene.

I only come on here for EDL updates.

Isn't EDL one of those suppliers you can switch to for gas and electric?
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 19, 2020, 08:22:51 PM
Hayes is Zone 5 innit? no self respecting Londoner would travel that far. It's closer to Wales than central London, any further West and you fall off the edge of the Earth

Indeed.

I can vouch for this, I’m so far west I’m in another time zone let alone travel zone.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: amfy on February 19, 2020, 08:23:38 PM
twat alert !!
you are denying people of their identity, Tottenham of their Jewish heritage,  and working class villa fans , we take the piss and say  non politically correct things.

I am well aware that some Spurs fans identify with the term ‘Yid’, Not all of them are of Jewish heritage and have any right to, whilst some others who are of Jewish heritage would prefer they didn’t. It’s a mixed bag.

My own perspective is not one of ‘political correctness’ but of having my husband, of Jewish heritage, who lost relatives to the gas chambers they were impersonating with their hissing, and does not identify with the term ‘Yid’, especially not in the way it was used by the bloke to my left.

I didn’t do it to be popular, but my tweet about my experience seems to find far more people (from well outside my usual modest following) who think I did the right thing than wrong.

Nonetheless, I’m well aware I’ve put myself in a difficult position because there’ll be people who see it your way, but that’s what I needed to do.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 19, 2020, 08:28:34 PM
Hi

Tottenham supporters  identify themselves as yids and have done since the 70s, before this other team's especially London ones would chant yid at spurs. So Tottenham fans started to call themselves yids,  its part of their identity.

I'm not for grassing,  it won't go down well you won't be popular.



Speaks volumes that you've taken the trouble to register with the site for the very first time to make this statement.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Ads on February 19, 2020, 10:50:34 PM
This isn't the class obsessed whoppers first rodeo.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Drummond on February 19, 2020, 11:02:01 PM
twat alert !!
you are denying people of their identity, Tottenham of their Jewish heritage,  and working class villa fans , we take the piss and say  non politically correct things.

I am well aware that some Spurs fans identify with the term ‘Yid’, Not all of them are of Jewish heritage and have any right to, whilst some others who are of Jewish heritage would prefer they didn’t. It’s a mixed bag.

My own perspective is not one of ‘political correctness’ but of having my husband, of Jewish heritage, who lost relatives to the gas chambers they were impersonating with their hissing, and does not identify with the term ‘Yid’, especially not in the way it was used by the bloke to my left.

I didn’t do it to be popular, but my tweet about my experience seems to find far more people (from well outside my usual modest following) who think I did the right thing than wrong.

Nonetheless, I’m well aware I’ve put myself in a difficult position because there’ll be people who see it your way, but that’s what I needed to do.

And you did exactly the right thing. You should stand tall and be proud. And we and other Villa fans and the club will too.

We'll done to you both.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: KevinGage on February 19, 2020, 11:15:24 PM
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Isn't EDL one of those suppliers you can switch to for gas and electric?

Two sides of the same coin.

Punjabi dozi or whatever he's calling himself this week is a foot soldier in the military wing of the energy supplier.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 19, 2020, 11:35:34 PM
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Isn't EDL one of those suppliers you can switch to for gas and electric?

Two sides of the same coin.

Punjabi dozi or whatever he's calling himself this week is a foot soldier in the military wing of the energy supplier.

Thank fuck he's not renewable.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: JD on February 20, 2020, 02:22:49 AM
Hayes is Zone 5 innit? no self respecting Londoner would travel that far. It's closer to Wales than central London, any further West and you fall off the edge of the Earth

Indeed.

I can vouch for this, I’m so far west I’m in another time zone let alone travel zone.

I went too far south of the river, fell off the edge of the earth and then found myself in a strange land miles away from anywhere.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: in exile on February 20, 2020, 08:41:49 AM
Has he gone now?
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 20, 2020, 11:02:56 AM
Celebrating the holocaust with hissing noises is about as low and in bad taste as you can get, utterly revolting. I would have been surprised if someone hadn't complained about that to be honest.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 20, 2020, 11:05:06 AM
Celebrating the holocaust with hissing noises is about as low and in bad taste as you can get, utterly revolting. I would have been surprised if someone hadn't complained about that to be honest.

Mate, it's just a working class thing to do, like shin kicking or torching an off license.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on February 20, 2020, 11:12:46 AM
Celebrating the holocaust with hissing noises is about as low and in bad taste as you can get, utterly revolting. I would have been surprised if someone hadn't complained about that to be honest.

Mate, it's just a working class thing to do, like shin kicking or torching an off license.

I blame the metropolitan elite.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 20, 2020, 12:26:15 PM
off license.

Outdoor
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 20, 2020, 12:29:24 PM
off license.

Outdoor

I thought it was pikelets?
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: dave shelley on February 20, 2020, 12:52:31 PM
Cobs.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 20, 2020, 01:18:41 PM
Cobs.

No, it's just the way I part my hair.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: rougegorge on February 20, 2020, 02:01:13 PM
Only just catching up on this.

This incident brings back memories of a very similar experience, albeit in 94. We were in the North Stand ('family') and there were fans whop were temprorarily there due to the Hotle End reconstruction. The racist abuse of our black players had been building, but in the game against Sheffield Wed it reached its worst. Having asked them to desist, especially as it was the family stand, they refused, continued and then threatened to knock me and my brother out.

We had to move along with my young nephew at half time, got no backup from the stewards, and when I reported it to the club, they were able to corroborate the events, but as they only agreed to write to the offenders but not ban them, they suggested we moved to the Trinity Road for the rest of the season and pay the difference in price!

I thought those days were in the past but obviously not, but well done to Amfy for calling them out. This season, my daughter has challenged a couple of racists at Selhurst Park (aimed at Zaha) and then for the Konsa song at VP, but fortunately without the aggressive response.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 20, 2020, 02:29:57 PM
Well done amfy and madferret for standing up to those vocal racists. You both have my support. Keeping enjoying the Villa and all your trips to VP.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Rigadon on February 20, 2020, 02:37:23 PM
Racism has nothing to do with class.  There is nothing else to say really. 
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2020, 03:03:12 PM
Celebrating the holocaust with hissing noises is about as low and in bad taste as you can get, utterly revolting. I would have been surprised if someone hadn't complained about that to be honest.

Mate, it's just a working class thing to do, like shin kicking or torching an off license going off to fight Franco's fascists.

Oh, hang on..
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 20, 2020, 03:21:09 PM
Celebrating the holocaust with hissing noises is about as low and in bad taste as you can get, utterly revolting. I would have been surprised if someone hadn't complained about that to be honest.

Mate, it's just a working class thing to do, like shin kicking or torching an off license going off to fight Franco's fascists.

Oh, hang on..

I wasn't being serious.
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2020, 03:23:17 PM
Celebrating the holocaust with hissing noises is about as low and in bad taste as you can get, utterly revolting. I would have been surprised if someone hadn't complained about that to be honest.

Mate, it's just a working class thing to do, like shin kicking or torching an off license going off to fight Franco's fascists.

Oh, hang on..

I wasn't being serious.

I know otherwise you wouldn't be getting married (see 'kicking shins') ;)
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 20, 2020, 04:08:43 PM
Ha!
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 20, 2020, 06:52:43 PM
Cobs.
Pikelets
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Ad@m on February 20, 2020, 11:23:59 PM
Celebrating the holocaust with hissing noises is about as low and in bad taste as you can get, utterly revolting. I would have been surprised if someone hadn't complained about that to be honest.

Mate, it's just a working class thing to do, like shin kicking or torching an off license.

Better hope BE doesn't see that!
Title: Re: Lower Holte row z
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 20, 2020, 11:41:17 PM
Celebrating the holocaust with hissing noises is about as low and in bad taste as you can get, utterly revolting. I would have been surprised if someone hadn't complained about that to be honest.

Mate, it's just a working class thing to do, like shin kicking or torching an off license.

Better hope BE doesn't see that!

He loves Maryland Champeyn as much as I do.
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