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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on February 16, 2020, 03:53:15 PM
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Fuck me. How do we do it.
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We're relegating ourselves.
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We’re going down. You can’t lose games like that.
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How the fuck can you play so well and lose. How the hell do you gift the opposition so many goals and chances.
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I can’t do this anymore.
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The guy shoold enver paly for us again. He has relegated us with that mistake the absolute dick
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Another classic fucking capitulation at home on the TV. Fuck. Off. Fuck off. FUCK OFF.
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Plotting our own downfall.
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Absolutely going down and deservedly so.
You can’t throw away points like that, absolutely not good enough. Again.
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Could have won, should have taken a good point, fucking gutted.
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Own worst enemies. The midfield is shite and our defensive errors often criminal. Reina kept us in this today but that was still a sucker punch. Spurs are ******, the referee is even worse, and we are a bit pathetic really aren't we.
50 goals conceded in 26 games. Back to the Championship we go.
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The guy shoold enver paly for us again. He has relegated us with that mistake the absolute dick
I think Smith's shit game management, lack of tactic, game preparation, and shot recruitment from Suso are a bigger reason for us being relegated.
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Didn’t deserve that.
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It's honestly as if the most glaringly obvious weakness in our overall play has never once been discussed or addressed as a club. It's a constant dedication to a style of play that ultimately will kill us off. The arrogance, naivety and sheer stupidity of it all has no equal.
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That is sickening. Have to say we showed great spirit and sure we give chances away not there is a team there and to lose that way is heartbreaking. Feel sorry for Bjorn as he had played well
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Oh well, you live by the last minute winner, you die by the last minute winner. 50 goals conceded in 26 games is jaw dropping.
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You just knew it was coming didn't you.
We often look good with the ball going forward, far too good to be in relegation trouble, if only we could finish. Could and should have been 2 or 3 up after 30 minutes.
But without the ball we let teams walk through us, concede way to many chances, and then if one defender doesn't fuck it up, another one will. Nice one Engels, a penalty and a gift of a goal. You fucking thick twat.
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We should have scored 3 or 4, but they could have had 9. We rode our luck time and time again, too many players just not good enough for this division, relegation looks more likely week after week.
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It really looks like the Championship is nailed on now, we should have won that, we had the chances, we didn't take them and to top it all of we make an horrendous error in the last seconds of a game allowing the opposition the game, that's a side going down.
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Didn’t deserve that.
we did. Our keeper had to make 6-8 saves to keep is in it. What did Lloris have to do apart from save from El Ghazi?
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Grim way to finish the game. Last 10 mins we were appalling though. Desperate game management.
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Didn’t deserve that.
I'm sorry but we absolutely did. We didn't take our chances. We gifted them lots and lots before the winner. Reina stood on his fucking head all game to deny them. We were beaten for being precisely who and what we are and have been all season long.
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I am gutted. Absolutely gutted. Thought the point was in the bag.
Villa break my heart.
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What a dickish way to give away a game. After matching Spurs and coming back you chuck it at the end. Utterly dispiriting. Relegation almost a racing certainty now.
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Engels had a great game, it happens. Keep going, keep fighting.
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Can someone please explain exactly what Engels actually did?
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Why when we have allegedly one of England's best ever defenders on the management team is our defending so shit
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Fuck off engels you steaming pile of useless shit.
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Too many mistakes, cut those out we have a chance, if we don’t we are down
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All the daft ****** had to do was concentrate for 1 minute and not drop a bollock. And Engels pulls that out of the locker of atrocities. Only the fucking Villa.
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The ball was in Pepe Reina's hands with 55 seconds of 4 minutes of added time to go. A hard won big point in the bag.
You cannot, cannot lose from that set-up ever. No excuses for Engels.
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trez for that selfish shot - twat = should have put Luiz through on goal
engles fucking hell man - that is awful .. 93 min too - you utter twat
reina - what a great game
Jack was Jack
Nakamba looked great coming on and Luiz did ok for me but if he scored we win this game and probably stay up with the confidence.
full backs were ok - targett a little crap near the end with a cross too
Hause and konsa not prem really - konsa could be
Samatta - I love
el ghazi did alright for me
DD - slow as a Rhino
the last sub baston looked shit
still think we have enough to survive but fuck me we keep shooting ourselves in the foot
missed mings .....
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Losing Mings beforehand was the difference. Mings plays and I don't think we'd have conceded 3 goals. Only plus point is we're still out of the bottom 3, just.....
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We've the worst defence in the division. Today was another example of why. Beyond belief.
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Why are so many saying relegation is ‘nailed on’ ‘racing certainty’ etc. I saw enough fight there to take this to the wire unlike the last time we were relegated. There is only one team that is nailed on and that’s Norwich at the moment. Other teams around us have changed their managers which is always a risk
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Trying to trap in the air with your fucking studs in those conditions....you alright or what! Smash it out of the ground man.
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Weak, weak, weak. Full of mistakes, gift goals away, easy to create chances against. We will go down, you don't stay up conceding 70+ goals, generally, which is what we are on course to do.
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Didn’t deserve that.
I'm sorry but we absolutely did. We didn't take our chances. We gifted them lots and lots before the winner. Reina stood on his fucking head all game to deny them. We were beaten for being precisely who and what we are and have been all season long.
Reina was amazing today.. and he let up 3 goals. That says a lot.
We are cursed.
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Lets be honest, we defended horrifically all game and would have been hammered if not for Spurs being so wasteful and Reina also making some good saves. Back 3 were embarrassingly bad today. Pub teams would be laughed at for defending that poorly.
We played some decent stuff going forward and Samatta adds a nice dimension to our attacking play.
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Why when we have allegedly one of England's best ever defenders on the management team is our defending so shit
I really don't think you can blame John Terry for Engels utter fucking useless defending for their winner. Schoolboy, sunday league stuff. He had one fucking job. Hit the ball into tow Z. That one moment could define our season.
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Why are so many saying relegation is ‘nailed on’ ‘racing certainty’ etc. I saw enough fight there to take this to the wire unlike the last time we were relegated. There is only one team that is nailed on and that’s Norwich at the moment. Other teams around us have changed their managers which is always a risk
Probably because of the wild abandon with which we throw points away.
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To be honest I shit myself every time the ball comes in our half never mind the box.
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Can someone please explain exactly what Engels actually did?
What you would’ve done in the same situation Lee!
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Why when we have allegedly one of England's best ever defenders on the management team is our defending so shit
I really don't think you can blame John Terry for Engels utter fucking useless defending for their winner. Schoolboy, sunday league stuff. He had one fucking job. Hit the ball into tow Z. That one moment could define our season.
I don't think it's unreasonable to blame Terry for the state of our defending across two-thirds of a season though.
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For Legion et al - Engels' painful error. https://streamable.com/vc2z3
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Why are so many saying relegation is ‘nailed on’ ‘racing certainty’ etc. I saw enough fight there to take this to the wire unlike the last time we were relegated. There is only one team that is nailed on and that’s Norwich at the moment. Other teams around us have changed their managers which is always a risk
Probably because of the wild abandon with which we throw points away.
This. We are so careless.
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Championship here we come. Utter losers who bottle it against it the bigger sides.
The menatlith of these players is a joke. The defence is a complete and utter shambles.add that to the fucking embarrassment at arsenal .
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That is sickening. Have to say we showed great spirit and sure we give chances away not there is a team there and to lose that way is heartbreaking. Feel sorry for Bjorn as he had played well
This.
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Beat ourselves today. Squandered chances and gifted them opportunities and go9 als.
Encouraging performance in many respects but a dreadful ending.
Engels having redeemed himself with his goal, decides to channel his inner Enckelman.
After Reina's late save, we should have just seen the match out - poor game control again.
The same applies to the last few minutes of the first half prior to the "penalty"
Fuck, fuck fucking fuckety fuck.
Oh, and how come that none of the Spuds' were booked for constantly fouling Jack?
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Can someone please explain exactly what Engels actually did?
A hopeless through ball went straight to him. Instead of trying to control the ball with his instep he tried to trap it with his studs. Went straight through him letting in Son. 'Schoolboy error' doesn't do it justice.
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Crap ending. Deserved a point
Hate losing, but losing to those ****** and that ****** scoring the winner. Vile.
And Twitter. My own fault, I can't resist having a look at the comments, relating to the pain of a fellow Villa fan. But there are so many wanky comments from fans of wanky clubs each time we lose.
You've got Blues fans of course. They must be wanking themselves silly.
There's Coventry fans and that used condom lookalike Wolves fan, amongst a number of the golden twats, who puts Villa-themed lyrics over shit songs. Fuck off.
And then there are man city fans from fucking Saturn or wherever they live, and Leicester fans, still angry about losing weeks ago. Despite being third in the league. Leicester. Third! But taking the time to come onto Twitter and slate us, seconds after a last minute loss.
There are a few Baggies fans with their boring GIFs and an array of other nonentity supporting bellends posting photos about 'dub'. I don't know what they're on about and hope they fall down a well.
Crap result. Time for bed.
Up the Villa.
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Expected to lose. Played better than I thought. Reina was amazing.
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He did that on purpose to get back at Terry.
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Thought Samatta was excellent. Really intelligent play at times. Strong too.
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Can someone please explain exactly what Engels actually did?
A hopeless through ball went straight to him. Instead of trying to control the ball with his instep he tried to trap it with his studs. Went straight through him letting in Son. 'Schoolboy error' doesn't do it justice.
on TV in front of millions.. in the rain at home on the 94th minute.
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Making the same mistakes in February as we were in September.
We aren't learning and we aren't improving.
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Bottle job loser engels. A belgain international guve me a break. That was conference level. He fucking let us down badly.
Get rid of him in the summer add him to the othee shit we signed like wesley trez and drinkwater
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Surprised by the start we made - Should have showed more ruthlessness in front of goal while we were on the front foot. Game management cost us again... which is slowly becoming the story of our season.
Reina - Awesome. Score could have been a lot worse.
Defense - Guilbert/Konsa played well today. Too many mistakes from Engels and Hause. Targett okay - Wasteful when in good positions.
Midfield - Douglas Luis played well I thought, Drinkwater is NOT a signing you make....EVER, at least not in the January transfer window when everyone else has half a season of fitness behind them. El Ghazi worked tirelessly today and was a good outlet with good linkup with Freddie. Jack was his usual self.
Forwards - Samatta played really well - Ran the channels, got into good positions and good link-up. Would have kept him on, as his replacement looked clueless.
We flattered Spurs today - They were there for the taking. Should have dropped a CB and plumped for 451, with a midfield of Doug, Marv, Conor, El Ghazi and Jack.
Hate losing.. especially against those cnuts in the last minute!
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Result aside, we played some excellent stuff.
Hate Spuds.
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Smith says he thinks we are and we will get better... last 12 games:
Won 3
Drawn 1
Lost 8
Goals 13
Against 28
Pts 10
relegation form, conceded at least 2 in 8 of those 12 games. We have to be more solid, we're completely throwing this season down the pan.
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To be honest I shit myself every time the ball comes in our half never mind the box.
So do I. Why the fuck do I like football?
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Architects of our own downfall again. Draw was a deserved result, really played well in large chunks of the game. 3 centre backs all have errors in them which are costing us. Trezeguet needs a talking to for being a greedy shit also. Thought Luiz was superb and Samatta very promising.
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I dont think Ive felt such a collective deflation on leaving VP for a long long time. It did feel like the type of game that relegated teams would lose.
For 25 minutes we played as well as we have all season and should of been 3 up, but our habit of conceeding sloopy goals came back to haunt us.
Its a hard one to take, we absolutely have to win next week.
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Didn’t deserve that.
I'm sorry but we absolutely did. We didn't take our chances. We gifted them lots and lots before the winner. Reina stood on his fucking head all game to deny them. We were beaten for being precisely who and what we are and have been all season long.
Reina was amazing today.. and he let up 3 goals. That says a lot.
We are cursed.
We're not cursed. We're just not very good at all.
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Think we will probably go down, mainly because of our ability to shoot ourselves in both feet with sickening regularity and our inability to use the full extent of our financial muscle thanks to FFP.
Consolations? Jack will set a new British transfer record by a mile and that, together with the parachute payments should mean we can assemble a serious Premier League squad which will stroll the Championship.
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We needed another Heaton-type signing at centre half and defensive mid. Two proven performers at this level. By all means experiment with some of the other positions if the budget or wage bill is tight.
Get the centre half pairing right in any league and you are halfway there. We've never looked solid there all season and are too easy to play through.
We need to score about three or four goals to win a match.
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Didn’t deserve that.
I'm sorry but we absolutely did. We didn't take our chances. We gifted them lots and lots before the winner. Reina stood on his fucking head all game to deny them. We were beaten for being precisely who and what we are and have been all season long.
Reina was amazing today.. and he let up 3 goals. That says a lot.
We are cursed.
We're not cursed. We're just not very good at all.
Jeez, give it a rest
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Smiths approach to the season has been shit. The openness of our game, all 90+ minutes, week in week out. Really poor stuff. Really naive stuff.
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FFS!!!! Angry & upset in equal measure, that was a killer
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We needed another Heaton-type signing at centre half and defensive mid. Two proven performers at this level. By all means experiment with some of the other positions if the budget or wage bill is tight.
Get the centre half pairing right in any league and you are halfway there. We've never looked solid there all season and are too easy to play through.
We need to score about three or four goals to win a match.
We’ve needed them since August.
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It's gonna be a case of other teams being shifter than us, rather than us doing the job ourselves.
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Smiths approach to the season has been shit. The openness of our game, all 90+ minutes, week in week out. Really poor stuff. Really naive stuff.
The Samatta/Baston substitution had me scratching my head a little. Thought Elmo could’ve done a job.. idk.
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Didn’t deserve that.
I'm sorry but we absolutely did. We didn't take our chances. We gifted them lots and lots before the winner. Reina stood on his fucking head all game to deny them. We were beaten for being precisely who and what we are and have been all season long.
Reina was amazing today.. and he let up 3 goals. That says a lot.
We are cursed.
We're not cursed. We're just not very good at all.
Jeez, give it a rest
What has been said that’s wrong??
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Thought the back three did so much better today without 'Billy big bollocks' Mings.
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Smiths approach to the season has been shit. The openness of our game, all 90+ minutes, week in week out. Really poor stuff. Really naive stuff.
Makes baffling selections (who in their right mind picks up and then repeatedly picks a player who is clearly nowhere near fit and then gives him a relegation fight to get fit).
Game management is non existent.
‘Tactics’ seem to consist of conceding midfield most matches.
Doesn’t make glaringly obvious substitutions until far too late.
Nice bloke, but I fear the Wembley trip is going to mask what has been an inept showing from the manager since day one.
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We concede a lot of chances but today was on another level. They didn’t have to work at all and were 1 v 1 every few minutes
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Absolutely going down and deservedly so.
You can’t throw away points like that, absolutely not good enough. Again.
Between the 6 pointers we’ve bottled and the games against top half teams where we’ve flattered them deceive and pissed points away, you’re begging for relegation. One or the other you could get over the line not both.
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Losing McGinn for so long plus Mings today is a huge loss. We need our better players fit. At least SJM should play the last 6 or 7 games.
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Sarcasm right?
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When you defend like we do you’re making clean sheets and wins against any half decent team a statistical anomaly. Coaching and tactics are there to stack the numbers in your favour and the rest is on the players. Smith and our whole coaching set up I’m afraid stack the cards against us.
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Thought the back three did so much better today without 'Billy big bollocks' Mings.
Assume that's sarcasm!!
We were fucking embarrassing defensively today.
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Reina had a good game, but couldn’t he have taken 10 seconds longer with the kick or played it short or just kicked it straight out for a throw, somewhere near the halfway line? There were only 55 seconds left on the clock.
If we do go down, Smith’s persistence, first with Wesley and now with Drinkwater will be one of the reasons.
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What a dissapointment and for me down to poor game management again. By all means bring Baston with Samatta but to replace a player who I thought had a fantastic game and constantly put their defence under pressure was baffling and a game changer. The fact we stopped being a threat at the top caused the goal. No way we deserved to lose but somehow that happened
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Thought the back three did so much better today without 'Billy big bollocks' Mings.
Assume that's sarcasm!!
We were fucking embarrassing defensively today.
Got to be. How someone would come to that conclusion about Mings I have no idea
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The guy shoold enver paly for us again. He has relegated us with that mistake the absolute dick
Been on the pop have we?
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OK we're angry. We're disappointed. It was a shocking mistake; but surely there is no room for all the personal abuse on here for individual players; especially with all the stuff about the Heads Up campaign going on. Criticism yes; personal vindictive, vicious abuse, no thanks.
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If ( and it is a big if ) we play like this we can win games but we have never been consistent to say the least.
Anyway come on villa.
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Is it too late to postpone the game because of the weather
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50 years of going to villa park and I am now sat in new stree t wondering why i.just dont give it up. I really do think it's now time to spend my money on other things.
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Didn’t deserve that.
I'm sorry but we absolutely did. We didn't take our chances. We gifted them lots and lots before the winner. Reina stood on his fucking head all game to deny them. We were beaten for being precisely who and what we are and have been all season long.
Reina was amazing today.. and he let up 3 goals. That says a lot.
We are cursed.
We're not cursed. We're just not very good at all.
Jeez, give it a rest
Give what a rest?
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That is sickening. Have to say we showed great spirit and sure we give chances away not there is a team there and to lose that way is heartbreaking. Feel sorry for Bjorn as he had played well
With due respect I don’t think he did, the goal aside, but nor did any of the defence, which, Reina aside, was awful. Great going forward but what’s the point if you defend like that?
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Didn’t deserve that.
I'm sorry but we absolutely did. We didn't take our chances. We gifted them lots and lots before the winner. Reina stood on his fucking head all game to deny them. We were beaten for being precisely who and what we are and have been all season long.
I disagree we definitely didn't deserve it.
We were beaten by an individual mistake in the last seconds, nothing to do with how many chances we missed or spurs missed.
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Speaking the truth. It hurts. We've conceded the most goals and lost the 2nd most games. How is it anything but the truth to say we are having a very poor season and are not very good. The manager has done poorly, the transfers have by and large been poor and the tactics have been poor.
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I think we have to accept that we're still very much in the doldrums, despite the promotion. Villa have been very poor for about 7 or 8 full years now and the days of being consistently prem standard are long gone, we have to get used to this and be patient. We're going to be poor for the foreseeable and just have to hope that there is a plan to sign some decent footballers after Grealish is sold.
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Oh and how do we end up with two yellow cards for first offences and they have none for systematically fouling Jack. The officials are inept.. VAR decides to look repeatedly at a potential handball that clearly hits the midriff but not one that equally clearly it's the hand. Penalty for foul - for me yes BUT is it really clear and obvious if it takes three minutes. What was clear and obvious was the goal kick and corner we should have had but that's not VAR is for. I think we all know what VAR is for and it's achieving just that
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Didn’t deserve that.
I'm sorry but we absolutely did. We didn't take our chances. We gifted them lots and lots before the winner. Reina stood on his fucking head all game to deny them. We were beaten for being precisely who and what we are and have been all season long.
I disagree we definitely didn't deserve it.
We were beaten by an individual mistake in the last seconds, nothing to do with how many chances we missed or spurs missed.
I don't think we can defend like we did today and feel like we deserved anything from the game. We played some nice stuff going forward granted and Luiz missing the sitter when 1-0 was a big moment, but ultimately our defending was so shocking the result was a fair one.
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I think we have to accept that we're still very much in the doldrums, despite the promotion. Villa have been very poor for about 7 or 8 full years now and the days of being consistently prem standard are long gone, we have to get used to this and be patient. We're going to be poor for the foreseeable and just have to hope that there is a plan to sign some decent footballers after Grealish is sold.
We have been poor for ten full years. I think the decline set in about this time ten years ago when we lost the League Cup final under O'Neill? I recall a 7-1 thrashing against Chelsea soon after and a dreadful couple of results to end that season.
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Villa have really pissed me off and fucked up another weekend. I'm going the pub to get hammered. Bastards.
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Speaking the truth. It hurts. We've conceded the most goals and lost the 2nd most games. How is it anything but the truth to say we are having a very poor season and are not very good. The manager has done poorly, the transfers have by and large been poor and the tactics have been poor.
Smith will be given until October/November next season and then be potted I reckon.
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I think we have to accept that we're still very much in the doldrums, despite the promotion. Villa have been very poor for about 7 or 8 full years now and the days of being consistently prem standard are long gone, we have to get used to this and be patient. We're going to be poor for the foreseeable and just have to hope that there is a plan to sign some decent footballers after Grealish is sold.
We have been poor for ten full years. I think the decline set in about this time ten years ago when we lost the League Cup final under O'Neill? I recall a 7-1 thrashing against Chelsea soon after and a dreadful couple of results to end that season.
We were still competitive under Houllier IMO.
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That is sickening. Have to say we showed great spirit and sure we give chances away not there is a team there and to lose that way is heartbreaking. Feel sorry for Bjorn as he had played well
Agreed. There is typically a lot of hyperbole on here at the moment. Things like Engels is ‘an absolute dick’, an ‘absolute twat’ a ‘fucking thick twat’, and ‘shouldn’t play for us again’. I’m sorry but whilst I might have felt that vitriolic about Richards and Lescott four years ago, I can’t feel that way about any of the current team. Especially a guy who intervened when the police were heavy-handed at Selhurst Park.
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Only a good thrashing at Wembley (nailed on) can make this season any worse.
Far more enjoyable in the Championship.
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hated virtually every minute of this season - not just because we are pretty awful, but the the whole hyperbolic freak show that is the PL.
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Only a good thrashing at Wembley (nailed on) can make this season any worse.
Far more enjoyable in the Championship.
Yeah finishing mid table, hardly winning for months, nearly going bust was great fun.
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We might as well abandon the Rampant Lion and change the badge to a foot with a rifle pointed at it.
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Didn’t deserve that.
I'm sorry but we absolutely did. We didn't take our chances. We gifted them lots and lots before the winner. Reina stood on his fucking head all game to deny them. We were beaten for being precisely who and what we are and have been all season long.
I disagree we definitely didn't deserve it.
We were beaten by an individual mistake in the last seconds, nothing to do with how many chances we missed or spurs missed.
I don't think we can defend like we did today and feel like we deserved anything from the game. We played some nice stuff going forward granted and Luiz missing the sitter when 1-0 was a big moment, but ultimately our defending was so shocking the result was a fair one.
Not having Mings in the team didn't help.
To be fair I thought spurs defence was pretty poor as well for a so called top team.
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Jack looked really isolated on the left today. His decision making was mostly off today.
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I think we have to accept that we're still very much in the doldrums, despite the promotion. Villa have been very poor for about 7 or 8 full years now and the days of being consistently prem standard are long gone, we have to get used to this and be patient. We're going to be poor for the foreseeable and just have to hope that there is a plan to sign some decent footballers after Grealish is sold.
We have been poor for ten full years. I think the decline set in about this time ten years ago when we lost the League Cup final under O'Neill? I recall a 7-1 thrashing against Chelsea soon after and a dreadful couple of results to end that season.
We were still competitive under Houllier IMO.
Sorry I disagree we’ve been declining since O’Neil steadily getting worse not so steadily really Still think that we should stick with Smith and build the makings are there and I think we’ll stay up just got to keep the faith
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That's a proper sickening end to the game, but I'm trying my best to balance it with the end of the Brighton and Watford games.
I thought we deserved a draw, and actually played pretty well for long periods considering SOME of the performances we've put in over the last few months. We look good going forward, but I'm never confident when we're defending.
I have some sympathy for Engels. It's fine margins at the top level and he's a couple of inches from the perfect tackle for the pen, and a couple of inches from controlling it in the 94th minute. And he scored a good goal. The question is whether that sort of mistake is 'typical' or not. I'm not sure it is, he was playing well until dropped before Xmas (Southampton apart).
Regardless of the performance, and the positives, it's another game gone and zero points. With West Ham playing Liverpool and City in their next two, Southampton becomes massive.
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At least we scored from a corner ...
3 subs made 1 helped us the other 2 ( alot like Liverpool helped in our downfall ) Trez did literally nothing when he came on but lose the ball or make bad decisions.Baston almost gave a goal away and came to head the ball on the halfway line for the winner , so when Luiz flicked it on there was no one forward to pressure the Spurs defender .
Drinkwater , god he tried but dear god he is a nothing player and playing a 2 man CM with him as one of them is asking for trouble.
Pace we have none time and time again we got done for pace all over the park.
6 goals conceded in 2 games to Spurs , both loss's when we lead the game..its the story of the season we simply can not defend , we can't grind out results.I'll be amazed if Smith is manager this time next year regardless of league we are in he simply doesn't have it in him to drill a side to defend
In our position you need to be able to grind out draws and 1 nil wins ..we can't do it .5 goals conceded in our last 2 games
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Jack looked really isolated on the left today. His decision making was mostly off today.
Yet he was our best player by a country mile
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Granted it was a short cameo but Baston looked an utter carthorse when he came on.
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Didn’t deserve that.
I'm sorry but we absolutely did. We didn't take our chances. We gifted them lots and lots before the winner. Reina stood on his fucking head all game to deny them. We were beaten for being precisely who and what we are and have been all season long.
I disagree we definitely didn't deserve it.
We were beaten by an individual mistake in the last seconds, nothing to do with how many chances we missed or spurs missed.
I don't think we can defend like we did today and feel like we deserved anything from the game. We played some nice stuff going forward granted and Luiz missing the sitter when 1-0 was a big moment, but ultimately our defending was so shocking the result was a fair one.
This is about right I think. We played at our maximum going forward and we’re pretty good to watch at times but defensively we are all over the place. Lucas Moura found pockets of space all game and we never coped with it.
All our defending is last ditch tackles and blocks because we’re not well drilled or organised. We play on the edge all the time and teams just play through us, both wide and through the middle.
Another team that have had more than 20 shots against us.
Grealish was simply magnificent again.
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Can't see us staying up with the defensive record we have, despite not looking too bad in other areas.
If we get relegated, we might be able to offset FFP issues with the sale of Jack. Not sure about keeping Smith but I don't know who else is out there and the team still needs work, obviously in defence and also in midfield, where we look lightweight to say the least.
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It’s unacceptable to lose bloody games like this. Our inability to defend/stop chances is disgraceful.
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Gremlins was simply magnificent again.
It's a good film, not sure I'd call it magnificent though.
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Granted it was a short cameo but Baston looked an utter carthorse when he came on.
Honest question; Why bring on a forward, who is not known for his pace or work rate, to kill off the last 10 minutes?
Was Samatta tired?
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Can someone please explain exactly what Engels actually did?
A hopeless through ball went straight to him. Instead of trying to control the ball with his instep he tried to trap it with his studs. Went straight through him letting in Son. 'Schoolboy error' doesn't do it justice.
Thank you.
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For Legion et al - Engels' painful error. https://streamable.com/vc2z3
Oh dear.
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One point near the end, at 2-2, nakamba was the only player in our half and none of our defenders seemed overly bothered about getting back in position. I don’t think it’s attitude so it must be coaching.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11935863/son-scores-last-gasp-winner-for-spurs
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11935904/smith-questions-penalty-decision
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I'm not sure I agree with some of the comments about Jack I thought he looked absolute quality today and any idiots out there that can say he's a diver or not good enough for mid table teams like Man U,Arsenal or Spuds needs their head examining
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What an absolute sickener. Could have won, should have drawn...but lost in the last minute.
The writing was on the wall for the last 10 minutes or so as we sat deeper and deeper, and lost complete control of the game as we chased shadows. We’ve seen this story so many times, that it was inevitable.
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I'm not sure I agree with some of the comments about Jack I thought he looked absolute quality today and any idiots out there that can say he's a diver or not good enough for mid table teams like Man U,Arsenal or Spuds needs their head examining
He was our best player by a distance, as he generally is every game.
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Jack looked really isolated on the left today. His decision making was mostly off today.
That’s what good teams/managers do. They find a way to isolate him on the left. Lesser teams allow him to cut in and play a more centre left role. He’s so much less a player when he’s pushed out wide.
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For Legion et al - Engels' painful error. https://streamable.com/vc2z3
Oh dear.
8 straight defeats when we've started or brought on Engels with 21 goals conceded as well.
The guy is a donkey, good player my ****.
Let's not make it a ninth next week.
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I’m as absolutely gutted as anyone on here, my 9 year old said to me as we were walking back to the train, ‘I think we’re going down down dad’. He may be right, or it might just feel like that because of the way we lost.
However, in my opinion that is as well as we’ve played all season. We made spurs look very ordinary for most of the game. We lost because of one debatable decision by VAR and one horrendous mistake, by Engels, who otherwise played well. In fact literally a second before the mistake I nearly turned round to my son to say we hadn’t missed Mings.
In 2016, we lose that game 3-0 and don’t compete. Other than Drinkwater, who still looked off the pace to me, every one of those players put in a shift today. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, my opinion is some of the criticism on here is OTT. Relegation is not nailed on and I don’t actually think we’re shit. I’ve sat there today and watched us outplay the champions league finalists for large part of the game. Yes we still lost, but we play that way in every other game this season and for me we don’t go down. And Samatta looks an absolute player.
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DS: "It’s a huge amount, yeah. People keep talking about we can’t beat the top teams. It’s not rocket science. You play the teams in & around you, they’re the type of games you’re meant to win & compete in
Found this comment appalling from Smith if he thinks just beating those teams around us is enough then he is deluded.One of the trademarks of teams that stay up after a relegation fight is the ability to get points from teams near the top when they are not supposed too
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I thought Spurs were s*** for the first half hour. Everytime we attacked their CBs were at panic station and just booting it out for throw ins and corners. Looked exactly like a team with two away wins at kick off.
Ultimately we lost it with those missed chances at 1-0. It never changes against the top teams that you need to be ultra clinical on top. Spurs went into half time winning with 35%. In a funny way they remind me a bit of us under MON. Not much pace in central midfield but ping balls over the top and likes of Moura and Son will cause chaos.
We were also unlucky a player who hadn't scored since May 2017 rifled one in from a corner like Harry Kane. That really deflated us.
Second half I agree it was a case of hanging onto the 2-2 and Spurs were more likely to score given some of the chances.
Only we could concede a goal 20 seconds after having a goal kick in 93rd minute though. Calamitous way to lose a game.
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I’d we’d had Samatta all season I think we’d be in much better place.
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For Legion et al - Engels' painful error. https://streamable.com/vc2z3
Oh dear.
8 straight defeats when we've started or brought on Engels with 21 goals conceded as well.
The guy is a donkey, good player my ****.
Let's not make it a ninth next week.
Is that true?! My god.
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DS: "It’s a huge amount, yeah. People keep talking about we can’t beat the top teams. It’s not rocket science. You play the teams in & around you, they’re the type of games you’re meant to win & compete in
Found this comment appalling from Smith if he thinks just beating those teams around us is enough then he is deluded.One of the trademarks of teams that stay up after a relegation fight is the ability to get points from teams near the top when they are not supposed too
I just saw that and tried to copy and paste it, what an absolutely terrible mentality that is.
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I thought Spurs were s*** for the first half hour. Everytime we attacked their CBs were at panic station and just booting it out for throw ins and corners. Looked exactly like a team with two away wins at kick off.
Ultimately we lost it with those missed chances at 1-0. It never changes against the top teams that you need to be ultra clinical on top. Spurs went into half time winning with 35%. In a funny way they remind me a bit of us under MON. Not much pace in central midfield but ping balls over the top and likes of Moura and Son will cause chaos.
We were also unlucky a player who hadn't scored since May 2017 rifled one in from a corner like Harry Kane. That really deflated us.
Second half I agree it was a case of hanging onto the 2-2 and Spurs were more likely to score given some of the chances.
Only we could concede a goal 20 seconds after having a goal kick in 93rd minute though. Calamitous way to lose a game.
Truth be told, Spurs could’ve had 5 or 6 today. We gave them a lot today but Reina was up for it.
I didn’t expect to win, I’m glad we competed but I’m a little ashamed of the way we have crumbled against the other big clubs this season.
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DS: "It’s a huge amount, yeah. People keep talking about we can’t beat the top teams. It’s not rocket science. You play the teams in & around you, they’re the type of games you’re meant to win & compete in
Found this comment appalling from Smith if he thinks just beating those teams around us is enough then he is deluded.One of the trademarks of teams that stay up after a relegation fight is the ability to get points from teams near the top when they are not supposed too
I just saw that and tried to copy and paste it, what an absolutely terrible mentality that is.
Abysmal. No wonder our record against said "top teams" has been so pathetic this season.
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DS: "It’s a huge amount, yeah. People keep talking about we can’t beat the top teams. It’s not rocket science. You play the teams in & around you, they’re the type of games you’re meant to win & compete in
Found this comment appalling from Smith if he thinks just beating those teams around us is enough then he is deluded.One of the trademarks of teams that stay up after a relegation fight is the ability to get points from teams near the top when they are not supposed too
Well it’s a bad attitude and how have we got on against Bournemouth.
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Granted it was a short cameo but Baston looked an utter carthorse when he came on.
I didn’t understand that change, Samatta was still keeping their centre-backs occupied right up to the point he was substituted. Seems optimistic to expect Baston be as effective coming on for his debut at that stage of the game. Then again, maybe Samatta was knackered.
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We’re very similar to Norwich. Play decent football on our day, frequently plucky losers, carried by a few good players, fatally lacking in football smarts, bottled too many big games.
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Absolutely gutted, going forward one of our best displays for a while, but defensively we were a shambles. In the 2nd half Spurs almost looked like scoring every time they attacked, a superb display by Reina kept us in the match, the good news is Tyrone will be back for Southampton.
Pluses obviously Reina, Samatta, why was he taken off?, El Ghazi and thought Nakamba made a difference, when he come on. Jack as always top drawer, but still think he should be playing down the middle, his talents are wasted out wide.
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DS: "It’s a huge amount, yeah. People keep talking about we can’t beat the top teams. It’s not rocket science. You play the teams in & around you, they’re the type of games you’re meant to win & compete in
Found this comment appalling from Smith if he thinks just beating those teams around us is enough then he is deluded.One of the trademarks of teams that stay up after a relegation fight is the ability to get points from teams near the top when they are not supposed too
How could you make such a statement publicly and be expected to motivate a locker room?
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We’re very similar to Norwich. Play decent football on our day, frequently plucky losers, carried by a few good players, fatally lacking in football smarts, bottled too many big games.
Totally agree.
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Can’t imagine many other managers at this end of the table coming out with that bilge.
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From the interview, I find it absurd he actually wanted to press high up the pitch.
Why do that against a team like Spurs?
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Wounder. Son is quality. Luiz puts that one back across the keeper, game over.
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DS: "It’s a huge amount, yeah. People keep talking about we can’t beat the top teams. It’s not rocket science. You play the teams in & around you, they’re the type of games you’re meant to win & compete in
Found this comment appalling from Smith if he thinks just beating those teams around us is enough then he is deluded.One of the trademarks of teams that stay up after a relegation fight is the ability to get points from teams near the top when they are not supposed too
How could you make such a statement publicly and be expected to motivate a locker room?
Going by that the only home game he expects to win in the run in will be Palace at home (perhaps Sheffield United if they drop off for a few weeks). It's not going to be enough. Newcastle currently 0-0 at Arsenal and beaten Spurs, Chelsea and Man. United. They're mid table, we're not.
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From the interview, I find it absurd he actually wanted to press high up the pitch.
Why do that against a team like Spurs?
Yeah daft. Spurs have bags of pace in their team. Also playing Drinkwater in a 2 man midfield is just bonkers.
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From the interview, I find it absurd he actually wanted to press high up the pitch.
Why do that against a team like Spurs?
And that’s how the penalty came. Engels had too much ground to cover and not enough pace.
Yeah daft. Spurs have bags of pace in their team. Also playing Drinkwater in a 2 man midfield is just bonkers.
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Nothing has changed, we provide teams with lots of opportunities to score and they do.
There is nothing positive to take from that game, we lost, it’s what we do.
We are heading for Division 2.
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Unlucky to lose today.
Great going forward and but for Engels error it would have been a great point.
Always was going to be tough and let’s hope we do enough to survive.
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I’d we’d had Samatta all season I think we’d be in much better place.
Totally agree, the Summer recruitment up front was always likely to come back to haunt us. We haven't recovered from losing McGinn's energy in midfield and Drinkwater isn't and never was the solution to this.
Ultimately we concede on average 20 chances to the opposition every game. We won't stay up with that statistic.
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Very deflating end to say the least.
I'm not sure what he was thinking. It's an horrendous and costly error. I'm reading about game management, but it's nothing to do with substitutions; get contact on the ball, whether you hoof it back down the pitch or shank it into the Trinity, it doesn't matter. I'm struggling to think of a more inexplicable, fundamental error as that.
Mings being out today was costly. When you're newly promoted, the quality available to you is at a premium. Does Mings get out paced for the penalty? Does Mings switch off in the middle at the death? Does Hause start and so routinely and consistently give the ball away?
Hause is a big problem for me. He so consistently recycles the ball that he puts our midfield under immense pressure. He must drop out the side.
It was a very open and entertaining game. Spurs have quick forwards, not necessarily in straight line out and out pace, but with very quick movement.
They also had the freedom to lamp any Villa player they like. Dele Alli is reassuringly terrible, while Son has all the physical strength of a plastic bag caught in the breeze.
They caused us problems. We caused them problems. By the time they scored a volley that 9/10 is shanked into the upper tier, we ought to have been 3 up.
I felt we showed some good bottle to set about them and get on the front foot. Showed good determination to get it back to 2-2. Open, naturally, but I felt we deserved a point. I felt we had earned that point.
Sammatta impresses. Drinkwater still seems too slow, but not through lack of trying and actually was part of a lot of best interplay.
I think a large part of our problem has been naivety. I don't think that was the issue today. We went at them as much as they went at us. We're clearly a lot better on the front foot and I'd never want to die wondering.
What happened though at the end wasn't naivety, it was just. Well you'll have your own adjective.
How we react is going to be important. I felt we reacted well after Man City drilled us at Brighton. We have to pick ourselves up for Southampton and have the courage to go st them. It's important to stay positive or rather those in the club do and those who turn up on the South Coast anyway.
We're not going to grind our way out of this. We are where we are because of balls more than brains. So what has happened? We competed with a decent side and had a point, shot ourselves in both feet and wasted a free hit.
12 games, 12 points likely needed. I believe we can do it. Important the players, air ball aside, still do.
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Nothing has changed, we provide teams with lots of opportunities to score and they do.
There is nothing positive to take from that game, we lost, it’s what we do.
We are heading for Division 2.
That's the spirit.
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Defence lost us the game, so many errors and we always looked like we were going to concede. Engels was the misfit today but they've all dropped bollocks during the season. We have the worst defence in the league and if we go down that will be the reason.
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We’re very similar to Norwich. Play decent football on our day, frequently plucky losers, carried by a few good players, fatally lacking in football smarts, bottled too many big games.
Totally agree.
Yup. Perpetually make the same errors.
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers.
I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
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3 at the back and still concede too many , you have to ask if its just better to go back to 4 at the back and refill CM.In other words I suspect having CH in CM will get us more goals than having Konsa in a back 3will stop us conceding more.
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Very deflating end to say the least.
I'm not sure what he was thinking. It's an horrendous and costly error. I'm reading about game management, but it's nothing to do with substitutions; get contact on the ball, whether you hoof it back down the pitch or shank it into the Trinity, it doesn't matter. I'm struggling to think of a more inexplicable, fundamental error as that.
Mings being out today was costly. When you're newly promoted, the quality available to you is at a premium. Does Mings get out paced for the penalty? Does Mings switch off in the middle at the death? Does Hause start and so routinely and consistently give the ball away?
Hause is a big problem for me. He so consistently recycles the ball that he puts our midfield under immense pressure. He must drop out the side.
It was a very open and entertaining game. Spurs have quick forwards, not necessarily in straight line out and out pace, but with very quick movement.
They also had the freedom to lamp any Villa player they like. Dele Alli is reassuringly terrible, while Son has all the physical strength of a plastic bag caught in the breeze.
They caused us problems. We caused them problems. By the time they scored a volley that 9/10 is shanked into the upper tier, we ought to have been 3 up.
I felt we showed some good bottle to set about them and get on the front foot. Showed good determination to get it back to 2-2. Open, naturally, but I felt we deserved a point. I felt we had earned that point.
Sammatta impresses. Drinkwater still seems too slow, but not through lack of trying and actually was part of a lot of best interplay.
I think a large part of our problem has been naivety. I don't think that was the issue today. We went at them as much as they went at us. We're clearly a lot better on the front foot and I'd never want to die wondering.
What happened though at the end wasn't naivety, it was just. Well you'll have your own adjective.
How we react is going to be important. I felt we reacted well after Man City drilled us at Brighton. We have to pick ourselves up for Southampton and have the courage to go st them. It's important to stay positive or rather those in the club do and those who turn up on the South Coast anyway.
We're not going to grind our way out of this. We are where we are because of balls more than brains. So what has happened? We competed with a decent side and had a point, shot ourselves in both feet and wasted a free hit.
12 games, 12 points likely needed. I believe we can do it. Important the players, air ball aside, still do.
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Defence lost us the game, so many errors and we always looked like we were going to concede. Engels was the misfit today but they've all dropped bollocks during the season. We have the worst defence in the league and if we go down that will be the reason.
We just miss Mings organising them. Our attempts to play the offside line were hopeless all game. No way to me it would've been as bad if Mings had been shouting when to push up or stay deep.
I said in the summer I'd have been more than happy picking up Gary Cahill on a 12 month deal. Odd to me we didn't look for that type of short term CB given it was decided Chester was finished at this level.
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Villa 2 - Villa 3
Each goal gifted.
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
Is that some kind of achievement? The only reason we are not in bottom 3 is luck not because of smith.
He cant hide forever results have to improve
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Just home and completely deflated by this.
We'd played really well and deserved the point and then we just chuck it away, absolutely fucking gift wrap it for them.
It's just us. It's what we do.
We absolutely must win next week.
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers.
I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
You’ve got to have hope or what’s the point? I had hope when we last got relegated and we were a much much worse team than we are now. Listing those players is also ignoring the fact that both full backs, Konsa, Luiz, el ghazi, Samatta all played well today and have generally been playing better since the turn of the year.
I get huge disappointment, I’m feeling it massively, but we’re not even in the bottom 3 never mind cut adrift like Norwich, so I don’t get people having us relegated with 3 months to go.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
Sorry Dave but I think, and I don’t know why, West Ham will get out of it somehow.
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
Sorry Dave but I think, and I don’t know why, West Ham will get out of it somehow.
Maybe they will. Maybe Bournemouth, or Brighton, or Palace, will get dragged back into it. At this stage nothing is certain, which is why it's so annoying to see so many of our supporters saying we're already down when we're nothing of the sort.
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West Ham invested in David Moyes to get them out of this. They are every bit as fucked as us. My concern is more Watford than West Ham for that last spot.
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
Is that some kind of achievement? The only reason we are not in bottom 3 is luck not because of smith.
He cant hide forever results have to improve
No, the reason we are not in the bottom 3 is because we have more points than the bottom 3, i.e. our results have been (just) better than theirs. Nothing to do with luck good or bad, any more than it would be if we were in the bottom 3.
As for the 'hiding', how has he been hiding exactly?
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
Is that some kind of achievement? The only reason we are not in bottom 3 is luck not because of smith.
He cant hide forever results have to improve
It's not an achievement, or luck, it's a fact. Or, if you prefer, FACT.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers.
I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
You’ve got to have hope or what’s the point? I had hope when we last got relegated and we were a much much worse team than we are now. Listing those players is also ignoring the fact that both full backs, Konsa, Luiz, el ghazi, Samatta all played well today and have generally been playing better since the turn of the year.
I get huge disappointment, I’m feeling it massively, but we’re not even in the bottom 3 never mind cut adrift like Norwich, so I don’t get people having us relegated with 3 months to go.
The fixtures only get harder from here, for the most part.
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
Sorry Dave but I think, and I don’t know why, West Ham will get out of it somehow.
Maybe they will. Maybe Bournemouth, or Brighton, or Palace, will get dragged back into it. At this stage nothing is certain, which is why it's so annoying to see so many of our supporters saying we're already down when we're nothing of the sort.
So do you think we will stay up?
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Desperately unlucky not to get all 3 points never mind 1. But we missed our chances and one sloppy error gifts them the points. Frustrating but that was the best we’ve played in weeks.
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I thought Drinkwater played ok. Made mistakes early on, probably no more than say luiz over the course of the game, after that he was fine and at least he tries hard. He’s a poor replacement for SJM but that’s not his fault.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
Think we've got the point now.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
Sorry Dave but I think, and I don’t know why, West Ham will get out of it somehow.
Maybe they will. Maybe Bournemouth, or Brighton, or Palace, will get dragged back into it. At this stage nothing is certain, which is why it's so annoying to see so many of our supporters saying we're already down when we're nothing of the sort.
So do you think we will stay up?
Yes.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
He's not Drinkwater.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
Could you mention some specifics? Instead od schoolboy puns maybe.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
He's not Drinkwater.
Same response to you as the OP. Specifics?
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
Sorry Dave but I think, and I don’t know why, West Ham will get out of it somehow.
Maybe they will. Maybe Bournemouth, or Brighton, or Palace, will get dragged back into it. At this stage nothing is certain, which is why it's so annoying to see so many of our supporters saying we're already down when we're nothing of the sort.
So do you think we will stay up?
Yes
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
To be fair, Nakamba had 4 or 5 good tackles for an interception. He presses up the pitch fairly well.
Drinkwater was off the pace, hands on his hips. Don’t know what he offers but I’m not the manager.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
Could you mention some specifics? Instead od schoolboy puns maybe.
He's slow and stumbles around the pitch. Doesn't look fit despite having plenty of time to get fit.
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
Is that some kind of achievement? The only reason we are not in bottom 3 is luck not because of smith.
He cant hide forever results have to improve
A lot of supporters myself included would have staying up this season as an achievement, given coming via the play offs, player overhaul etc.
Why is it luck, that we are ahead of three other teams. I don’t remember us being overly lucky this season, even today the VAR decision went against us. I’m not saying we’re particularly unlucky, I think we are about where we deserve to be, which is not in the relegation places
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
Could you mention some specifics? Instead od schoolboy puns maybe.
He's slow and stumbles around the pitch. Doesn't look fit despite having plenty of time to get fit.
I asked for specifics about how Nakamba did better when he came on. Because I didn't see them, that's all
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
Could you mention some specifics? Instead od schoolboy puns maybe.
He's slow and stumbles around the pitch. Doesn't look fit despite having plenty of time to get fit.
I asked for specifics about how Nakamba did better when he came on. Because I didn't see them, that's all
This
To be fair, Nakamba had 4 or 5 good tackles for an interception. He presses up the pitch fairly well.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
Could you mention some specifics? Instead od schoolboy puns maybe.
He's slow and stumbles around the pitch. Doesn't look fit despite having plenty of time to get fit.
I asked for specifics about how Nakamba did better when he came on. Because I didn't see them, that's all
What specifics do you need?
Drinkwater was hopeless. On one occasion he even failed with a five yard pass, that nearly resulted in a goal.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
Could you mention some specifics? Instead od schoolboy puns maybe.
He's slow and stumbles around the pitch. Doesn't look fit despite having plenty of time to get fit.
I asked for specifics about how Nakamba did better when he came on. Because I didn't see them, that's all
This
To be fair, Nakamba had 4 or 5 good tackles for an interception. He presses up the pitch fairly well
Blimey, there's an echo in here
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From the interview, I find it absurd he actually wanted to press high up the pitch.
Why do that against a team like Spurs?
Standing off got us mullered against citeh. Today we were a daft mistake away from a point. It worked.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
Could you mention some specifics? Instead od schoolboy puns maybe.
He's slow and stumbles around the pitch. Doesn't look fit despite having plenty of time to get fit.
I asked for specifics about how Nakamba did better when he came on. Because I didn't see them, that's all
What specifics do you need?
Drinkwater was hopeless. On one occasion he even failed with a five yard pass, that nearly resulted in a goal.
He was involved in a lot of the good play in the first half. It was right that he was substituted. Nakamba did ok when he came on but I didn't see anything to suggest him not starting was a crass error. Luis and Nakamba together aren't the answer for me.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
Could you mention some specifics? Instead od schoolboy puns maybe.
He's slow and stumbles around the pitch. Doesn't look fit despite having plenty of time to get fit.
I asked for specifics about how Nakamba did better when he came on. Because I didn't see them, that's all
This
To be fair, Nakamba had 4 or 5 good tackles for an interception. He presses up the pitch fairly well
Blimey, there's an echo in here
Yes I quoted a sensible post
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Just got back and that was a right kick in the nads at the end, hope the players can pick themselves up after that they are going to have to if we have a chance of staying up.
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From the interview, I find it absurd he actually wanted to press high up the pitch.
Why do that against a team like Spurs?
Standing off got us mullered against citeh. Today we were a daft mistake away from a point. It worked.
Spurs are nowhere near as good as opening up teams from deep as Man. City are. Guys like Son and Moura love space behind full backs to run onto.
We did bunker up for last 20 minutes. Whether we just ran out of gas or were just happy at 2-2 we were seeing it out o.k bar some dodgy marking from corners.
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To many games like today this season. We are fast running out of games and we concede far to easily. Dean has to take some of the blame. Not enough experience on the bench or on the pitch. We are where we are because we haven’t been good enough. Win the Cup & stop up, it’s a fantastic season. I fear though we will go down.
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A bullet proof manager, no matter how we play or how the results are, a squad with no decent striker, five decent players,( Jack, Mings, Super John, Heaton and Reina), two of which are poxy keepers. I’m sorry, and kudos to you, but how exactly do people think we’ll stay up?
And who, other than those I’ve named, are giving you that hope?
West Ham, Watford and Norwich, all of who are below us.
Sorry Dave but I think, and I don’t know why, West Ham will get out of it somehow.
Maybe they will. Maybe Bournemouth, or Brighton, or Palace, will get dragged back into it. At this stage nothing is certain, which is why it's so annoying to see so many of our supporters saying we're already down when we're nothing of the sort.
So do you think we will stay up?
Yes.
Excellent.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
To be fair, Nakamba had 4 or 5 good tackles for an interception. He presses up the pitch fairly well.
Drinkwater was off the pace, hands on his hips. Don’t know what he offers but I’m not the manager.
Now I’m no big fan of Drinkwater, but Nakamba did not improve upon Drinkwaters performance in any way that I spotted.
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Reina had a good game, but couldn’t he have taken 10 seconds longer with the kick or played it short or just kicked it straight out for a throw, somewhere near the halfway line? There were only 55 seconds left on the clock.
maybe but you cant excuse the defender doing that major fuck up . Reina kept us in it .
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From the interview, I find it absurd he actually wanted to press high up the pitch.
Why do that against a team like Spurs?
Standing off got us mullered against citeh. Today we were a daft mistake away from a point. It worked.
I disagree. They should've killed the game.
Some of the opportunities were more or less, one on ones, that shouldn't be happening multiple times.
It's just very amateur.
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Smith is just a half soaked manager who is out of his depth in this league.
Picking Drunkwaster ahead of Nakamba shows how stupid he is.
What did nakamba do after he came on to justify that ?
More than Drunkwaster did. It's an embarrassment that he gets picked.
To be fair, Nakamba had 4 or 5 good tackles for an interception. He presses up the pitch fairly well.
Drinkwater was off the pace, hands on his hips. Don’t know what he offers but I’m not the manager.
Now I’m no big fan of Drinkwater, but Nakamba did not improve upon Drinkwaters performance in any way that I spotted.
He managed to pass to a Villa player and not give away stupid free kicks , an improvement in my book.
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He also put in a superb block.
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Can't believe the whiff of resignation , yes it was was a kick in the balls and our own doing. We are still in with a chance of staying up and I will hold on to that hope while we still have a chance.
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Smiths approach to the season has been shit. The openness of our game, all 90+ minutes, week in week out. Really poor stuff. Really naive stuff.
Makes baffling selections (who in their right mind picks up and then repeatedly picks a player who is clearly nowhere near fit and then gives him a relegation fight to get fit).
Game management is non existent.
‘Tactics’ seem to consist of conceding midfield most matches.
Doesn’t make glaringly obvious substitutions until far too late.
Nice bloke, but I fear the Wembley trip is going to mask what has been an inept showing from the manager since day one.
Bit harsh. Weren’t we half way down the championship on day one?
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At least we scored from a corner ...
3 subs made 1 helped us the other 2 ( alot like Liverpool helped in our downfall ) Trez did literally nothing when he came on but lose the ball or make bad decisions.Baston almost gave a goal away and came to head the ball on the halfway line for the winner , so when Luiz flicked it on there was no one forward to pressure the Spurs defender .
Drinkwater , god he tried but dear god he is a nothing player and playing a 2 man CM with him as one of them is asking for trouble.
Pace we have none time and time again we got done for pace all over the park.
6 goals conceded in 2 games to Spurs , both loss's when we lead the game..its the story of the season we simply can not defend , we can't grind out results.I'll be amazed if Smith is manager this time next year regardless of league we are in he simply doesn't have it in him to drill a side to defend
In our position you need to be able to grind out draws and 1 nil wins ..we can't do it .5 goals conceded in our last 2 games
Good Summary
Individually some of the centre backs may be OK collectively they are terrible, pause on the ball , loose momentum by going backwards .
Kill the game and take a draw.
Jack, as Captain should also be dictating that.
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Some earlier comments have questioned our recruitment system but on today's evidence Samatta and Reina look excellent signings.
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Can't believe the whiff of resignation , yes it was was a kick in the balls and our own doing. We are still in with a chance of staying up and I will hold on to that hope while we still have a chance.
I think everyone would agree, but we are making it hard on ourselves
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Some earlier comments have questioned our recruitment system but on today's evidence Samatta and Reina look excellent signings.
100%
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Well it’s bloody eventful I guess, didn’t deserve that though. We are much better going forward with samatta, he holds the balm up so well and gets in front of his defender. We are still in with a shout of staying up.
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Some earlier comments have questioned our recruitment system but on today's evidence Samatta and Reina look excellent signings.
100%
Shame we didn’t get Samatta in the summer.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
A great post Pat, agree with everything you’ve said
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I think we are looking defensively worse with 3 at the back. Time to drop this flop tactic and play three in cm.
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I wish Smith would stop whinging about the officials in his post-match comments. Yes, the ref made a few mistakes. So did our players. It happens.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
A great post Pat, agree with everything you’ve said
So if we say we’re going to win the league it will happen? It’s our fault we throw points away? Yes we have a chance of staying up and I hope we do, as all Villa fans want. Today though was hard, as the season has been. Nothing wrong in criticism, we haven’t been good enough.
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I wish Smith would stop whinging about the officials in his post-match comments. Yes, the ref made a few mistakes. So did our players. It happens.
It drives me nuts. We’re not the only club to have decisions go against us. Today was in my opinion an entirely understandable VAR decision. And yes, we’ve been fucked over a few times so I get our collective frustration. But it would really, really help if our tactics set in place by the manager were better and our players cut out so many boneheaded decisions on the pitch. I just wish at times he would hold his hands up and say that he needs to be better also.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
A great post Pat, agree with everything you’ve said
Yes thanks Pat, excellent post
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Well stay up, of that I am sure but we are doing it the hard way. A point today would have been just reward for our performance, however you cannot legislate for an error like that. So frustrating, and tough on Engels, who otherwise had a great game.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
A great post Pat, agree with everything you’ve said
Damn straight.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
A great post Pat, agree with everything you’ve said
Damn straight.
I would like to associate myself with these comments.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
well said
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
A great post Pat, agree with everything you’ve said
Damn straight.
All of the above. As fans we also need to do more, they scored their goals and the atmosphere dies a death. Really need to get behind them the whole game
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Yeah. During a hard day at my well-paid job, I do find it difficult to perform my basic tasks without all 42,000 of my adoring fans getting behind me in full voice.
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Gutted, yes. Are we dead and buried, far from it.
We've been in the relegation zone for about 5 days this season, and we aren't in it now.
We are naive and lack a decent, experienced holding midfield, but I think we have enough going forward to scrape enough points to be safe.
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Re: Engels ... I will never slate a kid for making a physical error. Sometimes the deflections or bobbles go your way, sometimes an untimely slip will cost you everything (see: Gerrard v. Chelsea).
So I won't slate Engels in that way. If anything, this is the time the club has to rally around him and keep him going.
But what's so bizarre to me is that all the time during the preseason he looked like such a calm head, understood the time and score and what to do with the ball, what was required. He had a way about him that made you feel like he wouldn't put a foot wrong under pressure.
At that point in the game today, you absolutely have to understand the time and score and what to do. The play is to put your foot through the ball, don't let it hit the ground, and let Lloris collect it after it's gone all the way back to him. Number one job at that point is to kick the living shite out of it, kick it into Row Z if you have to.
To be of two minds at that precise time shows the gulf in class between those playing in a Champions League final, and those of a newly-promoted side, the mentality you have to have to see a result out.
We had both UCL finalists at Villa Park, and were drawing with both going into stoppage time. To come away with zero points total is a shot to the nuts.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Excellent post
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Well said. Just hope it all (eventually) comes to fruition.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11935863/son-scores-last-gasp-winner-for-spurs
Some miss from Luiz...
Reina is entitled to very pissed off with his defence for not reacting to the rebound
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I think we have to accept that we're still very much in the doldrums, despite the promotion. Villa have been very poor for about 7 or 8 full years now and the days of being consistently prem standard are long gone, we have to get used to this and be patient. We're going to be poor for the foreseeable and just have to hope that there is a plan to sign some decent footballers after Grealish is sold.
We have been poor for ten full years. I think the decline set in about this time ten years ago when we lost the League Cup final under O'Neill? I recall a 7-1 thrashing against Chelsea soon after and a dreadful couple of results to end that season.
We were still competitive under Houllier IMO.
8 wins under 28 games in the league under GED so pretty similar to this season if we win next weekend.
We had much better and experienced players in those days aswell of course.
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Absolute sickening to lose it like that but we played really well, in one of the best games I’ve seen this season. I still think we’ll stay up, but we just have to try and stop giving the ball away in dangerous areas. Mings and Engels must be our centre back partnership for the rest of the season.
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Yeah. During a hard day at my well-paid job, I do find it difficult to perform my basic tasks without all 42,000 of my adoring fans getting behind me in full voice.
Sorry but we should, you can sit there a moan or do naff all if you like but how does that help. You can feel the atmosphere drop every time we concede and the play gets edgy.
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Did we have more shots than them?
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18-23 according to sky
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11935863/son-scores-last-gasp-winner-for-spurs
Some miss from Luiz...
Reina is entitled to very pissed off with his defence for not reacting to the rebound
He does, but if a penalty is saved and the ball comes back out fairly straight the guy taking it is always favourite. I think Fred could maybe have got there had he not hesitated, but it would have been a lunge and possibly another pen.
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Absolute sickening to lose it like that but we played really well, in one of the best games I’ve seen this season. I still think we’ll stay up, but we just have to try and stop giving the ball away in dangerous areas. Mings and Engels must be our centre back partnership for the rest of the season.
This. Far too much bed wetting on this thread as usual.
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The guy shoold enver paly for us again. He has relegated us with that mistake the absolute dick
FFS. A truly terrible comment.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Well said. Just hope it all (eventually) comes to fruition.
I have been going for 50 years and I do believe it's all going Pete tong.
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Engels had a great game, it happens. Keep going, keep fighting.
Well said.
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Agonising to lose in that manner and for it to be a terrible mistake like that as well. Honestly thought it was an entertaining game though and we did pretty well considering the quality they have in their side. I thought they began to exert a bit of pressure after they changed their formation and we did ride our luck a bit, but thought we were value for a draw.
I thought we played with good intensity and tempo and think if we can play like that for the majority of the remaining games then we should be OK. There are some players who clearly aren’t good enough and give the ball away far too easily (Hause, Drinkwater and El Ghazi being the main culprits) and Engels worried me all afternoon in that central position as when he got isolated, he was having to constantly lunge into last ditch tackles due to his lack of pace.
Mings was obviously a big miss today and McGinn continues to be a massive absence in midfield. After performances like today, what really frustrates is that we aren’t a million miles off being a decent top flight side. I thought Samatta held the ball up well and brings those around him into play. Add Mings and McGinn to the line up, and with better options than Hause, Drinkwater and El Ghazi and we would be fine.
Edit - forgot to add that I hope Martin Atkinson isn’t involved in any of our remaining games this season (though heard someone at the game say he is reffing the League Cup Final).
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
A great post Pat, agree with everything you’ve said
Damn straight.
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Engels had a great game, it happens. Keep going, keep fighting.
Well said.
I dont think he had a great game, whichever way you look at it he gave away the penalty and cost us a draw at the end.
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So disappointing after how well we played and after watching the penalty back, its even a bit more gutting. We didn't deserve that and neither did they.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11935863/son-scores-last-gasp-winner-for-spurs
Some miss from Luiz...
Reina is entitled to very pissed off with his defence for not reacting to the rebound
He does, but if a penalty is saved and the ball comes back out fairly straight the guy taking it is always favourite. I think Fred could maybe have got there had he not hesitated, but it would have been a lunge and possibly another pen.
The taker is going to get there first more often than not as the rules on encroachment of been tightened up , in the old days as soon as Son runs up defenders would have been inside the box ready for a save now if they do that it's a retake.
On the Pen I see Smith is complaining about that , if that was Jack in box taken down by Aurier like that Smith would say pen.He took the man before the ball it was a pen and he should of stayed on his feet longer.
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Engels had a great game, it happens. Keep going, keep fighting.
Well said.
Totally agree. It’s annoying to lose like that but there’s still plenty of points to fight for.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11935863/son-scores-last-gasp-winner-for-spurs (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11935863/son-scores-last-gasp-winner-for-spurs)
Some miss from Luiz...
Reina is entitled to very pissed off with his defence for not reacting to the rebound
He does, but if a penalty is saved and the ball comes back out fairly straight the guy taking it is always favourite. I think Fred could maybe have got there had he not hesitated, but it would have been a lunge and possibly another pen.
The taker is going to get there first more often than not as the rules on encroachment of been tightened up , in the old days as soon as Son runs up defenders would have been inside the box ready for a save now if they do that it's a retake.
On the Pen I see Smith is complaining about that , if that was Jack in box taken down by Aurier like that Smith would say pen.He took the man before the ball it was a pen and he should of stayed on his feet longer.
I don't think the argument is that he technically took the man before the ball (just), I think that it's because in the case of Pens (unlike offside), VAR should only overrule in the case of a clear and obvious error on the part of the ref. And it wasn't clear and obvious (the fact they took so long looking at it indicates that, as does the player himself not really appealing).
With offside, the VAR decision is a binary one - it's offside or it isn't, even by a fraction of an inch. With pens, they should only overrule if the mistake is clear and obvious - indicating that mistakes are acceptable, just not the clear and obvious ones.
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Absolutely going down and deservedly so.
You can’t throw away points like that, absolutely not good enough. Again.
This, unfortunately.
When it comes to them 'small margins': we perpetually fuck it up (on the countless occasions that we haven't already capitulated). Game management?! Don't make me laff. Going down. Fact.
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Absolutely going down and deservedly so.
You can’t throw away points like that, absolutely not good enough. Again.
This, unfortunately.
When it comes to them 'small margins': we perpetually fuck it up (on the countless occasions that we haven't already capitulated). Game management?! Don't make me laff. Going down. Fact.
Its not a fact though is it, we have frustratingly thrown away points all season, we have continuously shown poor game management most of the season and yet the only fact is that after all that we are still out of the relegation zone.
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So disappointing after how well we played and after watching the penalty back, its even a bit more gutting. We didn't deserve that and neither did they.
But what happened, errrr, happened. Playing well is all well & good: but it's those critical moments when we don't that cost us - time & time again. Did it actually surprise you that we failed to hold on for a point in the very last minute of the match? It saddens me to say that I thought it was all-too-predictable.
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Engels had a great game, it happens. Keep going, keep fighting.
Well said.
I dont think he had a great game, whichever way you look at it he gave away the penalty and cost us a draw at the end.
His apparent lack of pace is a problem in a back three. It happened a few times times today where the back three were spread quite wide and they played balls in the spaces between, leaving Engels in a foot race with Son and their other forwards and he had to make a number of last ditch challenges, one of which led to the penalty.
It isn’t so much of an issue in a 4-4-2 as there tends to be more cover.
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So disappointing after how well we played and after watching the penalty back, its even a bit more gutting. We didn't deserve that and neither did they.
But what happened, errrr, happened. Playing well is all well & good: but it's those critical moments when we don't that cost us - time & time again. Did it actually surprise you that we failed to hold on for a point in the very last minute of the match? It saddens me to say that I thought it was all-too-predictable.
Hardly, considering the last two home games where we have won in the very last minute of the match? In fact, our record for last minute winners is better than defeats is it not - especially when you consider the injury time winners we have conceded this season are to last season’s Champions League finalists.
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Absolutely going down and deservedly so.
You can’t throw away points like that, absolutely not good enough. Again.
This, unfortunately.
When it comes to them 'small margins': we perpetually fuck it up (on the countless occasions that we haven't already capitulated). Game management?! Don't make me laff. Going down. Fact.
Its not a fact though is it, we have frustratingly thrown away points all season, we have continuously shown poor game management most of the season and yet the only fact is that after all that we are still out of the relegation zone.
Spin it any which way you want to bab. We're screwed (IMO)- unless we get TM & SJM back soon; & find a way to grind out a result or three in the next 12 games. Are there 3 sides in the league that look like the'll be gone before us? Not for me as it stands...
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Engels had a great game, it happens. Keep going, keep fighting.
Well said.
I dont think he had a great game, whichever way you look at it he gave away the penalty and cost us a draw at the end.
I agree, thought he was poor and his lack of pace badly exposed, though obviously a cracking header for the goal. 4 at the back suits him better. I still think overall we are better with 3 at the back, but one of those three has to be Mings.
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I agree that Engels had a decent game overall but the total brain fart on his mistake, I am at a loss to explain what he was attempting and can only put it down to tiredness.
Hause is far more of a liability.
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So disappointing after how well we played and after watching the penalty back, its even a bit more gutting. We didn't deserve that and neither did they.
But what happened, errrr, happened. Playing well is all well & good: but it's those critical moments when we don't that cost us - time & time again. Did it actually surprise you that we failed to hold on for a point in the very last minute of the match? It saddens me to say that I thought it was all-too-predictable.
Of course what happend, err happend, but bar the fuck up at the end, we get a deserved point out of that. That's said, we should have finished them off in the first half.
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Absolutely going down and deservedly so.
You can’t throw away points like that, absolutely not good enough. Again.
This, unfortunately.
When it comes to them 'small margins': we perpetually fuck it up (on the countless occasions that we haven't already capitulated). Game management?! Don't make me laff. Going down. Fact.
Its not a fact though is it, we have frustratingly thrown away points all season, we have continuously shown poor game management most of the season and yet the only fact is that after all that we are still out of the relegation zone.
Are there 3 sides in the league that look like the'll be gone before us? Not for me as it stands...
As it stands..... The 3 that are below us perhaps?
Did you have a few drinks at the match by any chance?
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So disappointing after how well we played and after watching the penalty back, its even a bit more gutting. We didn't deserve that and neither did they.
But what happened, errrr, happened. Playing well is all well & good: but it's those critical moments when we don't that cost us - time & time again. Did it actually surprise you that we failed to hold on for a point in the very last minute of the match? It saddens me to say that I thought it was all-too-predictable.
Hardly, considering the last two home games where we have won in the very last minute of the match? In fact, our record for last minute winners is better than defeats is it not - especially when you consider the injury time winners we have conceded this season are to last season’s Champions League finalists.
Keep clinging on to them stats, Pat. We're clingin' on for grim death & failing to manage a game that we should've got something out of. Forgive me for not being filled with hope & optimism this evening.
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Edit - forgot to add that I hope Martin Atkinson isn’t involved in any of our remaining games this season (though heard someone at the game say he is reffing the League Cup Final).
It's Lee Mason apparently although knowing out luck Atkinson will be the VAR ref.
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It’s not spinning anything, it’s a fact. As for your three teams, Norwich are virtually gone, I’ve seen nothing from West Ham to suggest they are suddenly going to start beating all-comers, and then it’s a fight between us, Watford, Bournemouth and Brighton (assuming one of about half a dozen teams in mid-table don’t get dragged in, which is still possible if you look at the lines of Newcastle in their second half today).
It’s been said by others, but we seem to specialise in catastrophising - we will never win another game whereas everyone else will go on a huge run despite all evidence to the contrary. I’m not saying everything is perfect, but equally it’s not all doom and gloom. As it stands we probably have a 2 in 6 chance of getting relegated, and I’ve seen enough from this team to suggest we are up for the fight.
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Positives - Reina was tremendous, Grealish too. Although he wasn’t flawless, Luiz had maybe his best game for us, he had Grealish type swagger on the ball at times. Samatta looks a good player, better than Wes but like Wes was isolated and would probably be considerably better with a partner.
I was calling for the 3 centre backs and 2 wing backs a while back, when you consider the full backs we have and the number of good centre backs but I’ve never liked this 3 pronged attack and I wonder whether it’s a bit daft with wing backs and wingers. We’ve got 4 players putting balls into the box and one player in the box. Why not play how we used to with Little, creative player in behind 2 centre forwards. Then you’ve got 2 players putting balls in the box for 2 or 3. Grealish in behind the two new lads or even Hourahane or Luiz in behind Grealish and Samatta.
Back to today, we were unlucky not to get something. I thought a lot of the team continued as they have all season, looked good one minute and poor the next. Drinkwater wise, well I was one of the biggest critics with the signing but I thought he showed a bit of improvement today on what we’ve seen before. He couldn’t run like, but he did pass it quite well mainly first half. The issue for me is that he’s easy to by pass, particularly by any decent team, and if he’s no improvement on what we already have then why are we playing him? He’s on loan and he’s pushing 30, Nakamba is our player and still quite young. He’s not going to learn sitting on the bench.
Finally - FILTHY FUCKING SPURS ****** !!!!!!
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Can someone please explain exactly what Engels actually did?
He did what every defender train's hours every week not to do, 'don't take your eye of the ball', he got pressure from Son, lack of focus, eye of the ball and his foot over the ball slipped through him.
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We seem to swing massively in games from being completely on top to being completely under the cosh.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Utterly this. I'm pissed off with seeing us capitulate time and time again by there is actually hope at the club and Smith is doing a lot better than anyone else we have had for a while and deserves the season.
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So disappointing after how well we played and after watching the penalty back, its even a bit more gutting. We didn't deserve that and neither did they.
But what happened, errrr, happened. Playing well is all well & good: but it's those critical moments when we don't that cost us - time & time again. Did it actually surprise you that we failed to hold on for a point in the very last minute of the match? It saddens me to say that I thought it was all-too-predictable.
Of course what happend, err happend, but bar the fuck up at the end, we get a deserved point out of that. That's said, we should have finished them off in the first half.
But we got nothing: & so bloody predictably! What you get & what you deserve so often seems to count for nowt. Nothing will give me greater pleasure (ish) than seeing us battle our way to survival, but my feeling is that we ain't got what it takes presently. I'll be absolutely delighted to be hopelessly wrong (obviously), so here's to my diet of humble pie for a several weeks after the season ends. :)
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Why are so many saying relegation is ‘nailed on’ ‘racing certainty’ etc. I saw enough fight there to take this to the wire unlike the last time we were relegated. There is only one team that is nailed on and that’s Norwich at the moment. Other teams around us have changed their managers which is always a risk
Its not a question of negativity or plenty of fight we are now reaching a point whereby events against us are taking a major effect in results, doesn't matter how may chances Spurs missed and what they deserved that's there problem, nothing to do with Villa, point is we missed chance after chance, we had a seriously good first half against a very ordinary Spurs side and still ended up losing, put on top of that disastrous errors in the dying seconds of a game along with poor refereeing decisions and what you have is the classic writing on the wall element that seems to take over teams that get relegated and its not going to get any easier, not at this point in the season.
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So disappointing after how well we played and after watching the penalty back, its even a bit more gutting. We didn't deserve that and neither did they.
But what happened, errrr, happened. Playing well is all well & good: but it's those critical moments when we don't that cost us - time & time again. Did it actually surprise you that we failed to hold on for a point in the very last minute of the match? It saddens me to say that I thought it was all-too-predictable.
Of course what happend, err happend, but bar the fuck up at the end, we get a deserved point out of that. That's said, we should have finished them off in the first half.
But we got nothing: & so bloody predictably! What you get & what you deserve so often seems to count for nowt. Nothing will give me greater pleasure (ish) than seeing us battle our way to survival, but my feeling is that we ain't got what it takes presently. I'll be absolutely delighted to be hopelessly wrong (obviously), so here's to my diet of humble pie for a several weeks after the season ends. :)
I genuinely don't understand why you thought we got nothing "predictably"? In the last two home games we've reach 90 mins level, and won them both. We've won more than we've lost in injury time this season.
If Engels doesn't miss that ball, we get a point and I'm sure everyone would have said it was well-deserved.
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Absolutely going down and deservedly so.
You can’t throw away points like that, absolutely not good enough. Again.
This, unfortunately.
When it comes to them 'small margins': we perpetually fuck it up (on the countless occasions that we haven't already capitulated). Game management?! Don't make me laff. Going down. Fact.
Its not a fact though is it, we have frustratingly thrown away points all season, we have continuously shown poor game management most of the season and yet the only fact is that after all that we are still out of the relegation zone.
Are there 3 sides in the league that look like the'll be gone before us? Not for me as it stands...
As it stands..... The 3 that are below us perhaps?
Did you have a few drinks at the match by any chance?
Not before - but one during the game, Luke. Needless to say, I had a few after though!
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We got nil points. Spurs got three. At the end of the day that's all that matters....Results.
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So disappointing after how well we played and after watching the penalty back, its even a bit more gutting. We didn't deserve that and neither did they.
But what happened, errrr, happened. Playing well is all well & good: but it's those critical moments when we don't that cost us - time & time again. Did it actually surprise you that we failed to hold on for a point in the very last minute of the match? It saddens me to say that I thought it was all-too-predictable.
Of course what happend, err happend, but bar the fuck up at the end, we get a deserved point out of that. That's said, we should have finished them off in the first half.
But we got nothing: & so bloody predictably! What you get & what you deserve so often seems to count for nowt. Nothing will give me greater pleasure (ish) than seeing us battle our way to survival, but my feeling is that we ain't got what it takes presently. I'll be absolutely delighted to be hopelessly wrong (obviously), so here's to my diet of humble pie for a several weeks after the season ends. :)
I genuinely don't understand why you thought we got nothing "predictably"? In the last two home games we've reach 90 mins level, and won them both. We've won more than we've lost in injury time this season.
If Engels doesn't miss that ball, we get a point and I'm sure everyone would have said it was well-deserved.
I cheerfully agree that the former 2 home games ended brilliantly for us, but they feel like the exception to the rule (to me) this season. I'm reasonably confident that if we can stay up this year - we'll do more than just consolidate our status come the next 'un. I just hope we can find a way to snaffle points from remaining games that our effort & endeavor richly deserves.
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So disappointing after how well we played and after watching the penalty back, its even a bit more gutting. We didn't deserve that and neither did they.
But what happened, errrr, happened. Playing well is all well & good: but it's those critical moments when we don't that cost us - time & time again. Did it actually surprise you that we failed to hold on for a point in the very last minute of the match? It saddens me to say that I thought it was all-too-predictable.
Of course what happend, err happend, but bar the fuck up at the end, we get a deserved point out of that. That's said, we should have finished them off in the first half.
But we got nothing: & so bloody predictably! What you get & what you deserve so often seems to count for nowt. Nothing will give me greater pleasure (ish) than seeing us battle our way to survival, but my feeling is that we ain't got what it takes presently. I'll be absolutely delighted to be hopelessly wrong (obviously), so here's to my diet of humble pie for a several weeks after the season ends. :)
I genuinely don't understand why you thought we got nothing "predictably"? In the last two home games we've reach 90 mins level, and won them both. We've won more than we've lost in injury time this season.
If Engels doesn't miss that ball, we get a point and I'm sure everyone would have said it was well-deserved.
We simply can't get results v the usual top 6/7 like other teams can. Watford drew 0-0 with Spurs all of three weeks ago, Newcastle have beaten Spurs, Chelsea and Man. United already this.
It might not have hurt too much mid season but with games running out it's looking very crucial now. A 2-2 would've been a good building block for Chelsea to follow on from the Leicester cup game. Now I fear another hard luck story.
Just beating Palace and Sheffield United at home is unlikely to be enough .Can't really understand why DS keeps on saying results v alleged top teams isn't going to define our season.
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I was sure for weeks this was a game we’d get something from. That’s a calamitous defeat. Every time we have a chance to pull away we blow it, every fucking time. These are the type of games teams that get relegated lose.
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I guess Smiths clutching are straws a bit with the reference to beating teams around us. Saying that he’s probably targeting palace at home and Southampton & newcastle away as games we need something out of.
We’re all gutted tonight, but I’m sure Bournemouth fans felt the same letting in a late goal last week, Watford fans the week before letting in a last minute winner, West Ham letting in a late equaliser to Brighton.
It’s ended up being a shite day, but we not done
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Despite the result today and a filthy drive home on the M6 I'm far more confident we will stop up now we look to have a decent centre forward in Samatta. He links the play well and offers plenty of movement. I'm also encouraged we went toe to toe with a Champions League side and they only won due to a calamity at the end which could happen to anyone.
It's going to be tight...but were going to be ok.
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Keystone cops at the back at times today. We went from the ridiculous to the sublime on several occasions with us giving the ball away in key positions and then throwing bodies in front of the ball to block shots, superbly. We have absolutely zero physicality in the middle of the park and I honestly think this should have been urgently addressed by Smith in the window. I do not buy the 'I've seen enough of us to think we'll be ok' theory as we keep losing these games when we should be picking up points. Reina and Grealish were very good, Hause played well. Engels has really endeared himself hasn't he? A day to forget, although I don't think it was worthy of a penalty.
Why didn't any of their players get booked for challenges? Why wasn't the El Ghazi arm pull, leading to the clash of heads, referred to VAR? Southampton on Saturday. They have picked up just 11 points at home this season. Enter...........Villa. Time to stand up and be counted.
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I have not watched the game yet but a couple of observations, Mings as valuable as he is to us was always susceptible to an absolute clanger and the second point is that for the most theses players were thrown together so they have had to learn quickly and not all of them are adapting well. I still believe we can get through this.
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Keystone cops at the back at times today. We went from the ridiculous to the sublime on several occasions with us giving the ball away in key positions and then throwing bodies in front of the ball to block shots, superbly. We have absolutely zero physicality in the middle of the park and I honestly think this should have been urgently addressed by Smith in the window. I do not buy the 'I've seen enough of us to think we'll be ok' theory as we keep losing these games when we should be picking up points. Reina and Grealish were very good, Hause played well. Engels has really endeared himself hasn't he? A day to forget, although I don't think it was worthy of a penalty.
Why didn't any of their players get booked for challenges? Why wasn't the El Ghazi arm pull, leading to the clash of heads, referred to VAR? Southampton on Saturday. They have picked up just 11 points at home this season. Enter...........Villa. Time to stand up and be counted.
This sums it up. We were good enough for a lot of the time, should have been two goals clear, but even when we are on top, the players take it in turns to make mistakes. Apart from Engels, both Konsa and Hause (who played well generally) gave the ball away unnecessarily in dangerous areas. We are still way ahead of any other team in terms of shots conceded and we must be ahead in terms of creating unnecessary chances for the opposition.
We've had our own share of late winners but this was hard to stomach. We can't keep on getting nothing from the better teams and claiming we are good enough to stay up.
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The move from the back where we passed it around and then created a chance at the other end was great. But more often than not we caused ourselves problems...
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I have not watched the game yet but a couple of observations, Mings as valuable as he is to us was always susceptible to an absolute clanger and the second point is that for the most theses players were thrown together so they have had to learn quickly and not all of them are adapting well. I still believe we can get through this.
Mings had been in good form after his return from injury and more importantly than that, marshals the defence well from that central position. He was a big loss today.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
Absolutely spot on great post I literally can’t believe some of the stuff I’m reading
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
Absolutely spot on great post I literally can’t believe some of the stuff I’m reading
What sort of shit did better fans come up with before O’Leary used the word fickle?
I’m very interested to know.
Personally, I think most football fans, the good ones the bad ones and the best of the best fans, are fickle.
If you’re not, it’s pretty much a strange psychological state to always be in thrall and awe of your team and management’s performance.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
Absolutely spot on great post I literally can’t believe some of the stuff I’m reading
This place has been hysterical for a while now. Either we’re the uncrowned premier league champions or mid-table championship.
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Successful Premier League survival candidate would do me. 16th. Would also take 17th.
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We lost a very tight and very entertaining game by the odd goal. But for Engels error it would have been seen as a great point.
I do agree about the hysteria on here post match.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
This really fucks me off.
No one calls us fickle. No one accuses us of being fickle.
Only that ****** O’Leary and some of our own fans who keep fucking trotting it out.
We are no worse than the supporters of every other team who celebrate when things are going well and moan when they aren’t.
That word should be bloody well banned on here.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
Absolutely spot on great post I literally can’t believe some of the stuff I’m reading
What sort of shit did better fans come up with before O’Leary used the word fickle?
I’m very interested to know.
Personally, I think most football fans, the good ones the bad ones and the best of the best fans, are fickle.
If you’re not, it’s pretty much a strange psychological state to always be in thrall and awe of your team and management’s performance.
Look back at some of comments. There’s being critical or fickle as you put it and there’s being absolutely hysterical. As others have posted we’re not even in the bottom three and the next five teams above us are equally likely to be drawn into the mire. I’m confident we’ll stay up it’s a pity some already have us down
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Despite the result today and a filthy drive home on the M6 I'm far more confident we will stop up now we look to have a decent centre forward in Samatta. He links the play well and offers plenty of movement. I'm also encouraged we went toe to toe with a Champions League side and they only won due to a calamity at the end which could happen to anyone.
It's going to be tight...but were going to be ok.
Spurs are an average team this season. Didn't they score an injury time winner against us in week 1 too? We remain a soft touch I'm afraid and have picked up no momentum from beating Leicester.
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Despite the result today and a filthy drive home on the M6 I'm far more confident we will stop up now we look to have a decent centre forward in Samatta. He links the play well and offers plenty of movement. I'm also encouraged we went toe to toe with a Champions League side and they only won due to a calamity at the end which could happen to anyone.
It's going to be tight...but were going to be ok.
Spurs are an average team this season. Didn't they score an injury time winner against us in week 1 too? We remain a soft touch I'm afraid and have picked up no momentum from beating Leicester.
They won 3-1, third was injury time iirc.
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Think so.
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Despite the result today and a filthy drive home on the M6 I'm far more confident we will stop up now we look to have a decent centre forward in Samatta. He links the play well and offers plenty of movement. I'm also encouraged we went toe to toe with a Champions League side and they only won due to a calamity at the end which could happen to anyone.
It's going to be tight...but were going to be ok.
Spurs are an average team this season. Didn't they score an injury time winner against us in week 1 too? We remain a soft touch I'm afraid and have picked up no momentum from beating Leicester.
Our last two home games before this were literally won in the same manner as we lost today. Does that make those teams a soft touch?
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Disappointed obviously, but an entertaining game lost in the end by a lack of concentration. Spurs defence are poor, ours was more naive (particularly the 3 cbs). That said I thought they had very little cover from either Luiz or Drinkwater. Freddy and Targett were 2 of our better players, along with Jack and Samatta. El Ghazi played okay too. Reina is a good goalie but I get nervous when keepers parry balls out to opposition forwards. The game could have ended 4 or 5 all. Finally var is ruining football. I haven't seen the game back but I believe we should have had a var decision in the 1st half for handball and in real time their pen didn't look a penalty. I hope we don't let their last minute winner affect us because we had a lot of positives from that game that we can bring forward to hopefully getting 3 points at soton next week. UTV!
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Agree with Jenas. We can't park the defence as high v Man. United and Arsenal if we want results.
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Watched the replay, disappointed but the weaknesses are obvious, without Mings we had no real speed across the backline which was exploited time and again by the pace of the Spurs forwards.
Playing Drinkwater is plain stupid yes I can see that he could get back to being a good player but he needs a hard pre-season behind him and to play him in a side desperate for points defies logic.
We need a new defensive couch to get some discipline it's great having attacking wing backs but if they leave the defence exposed time and again what's the point.
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Playing Wing backs will leave you exposed and the ball into the Chanel is allways a tactic against 3 at the back. We then compound the issue with 2 in midfield so sometimes we are 3 2 5 or even worse when Luiz goes forward.
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Did not realise until watching MOTD who was was doing VAR I should have known it was Johnathan Moss, if fact i remember saying to my friend at the match it was probably him. He really does seem to have something against Villa , never even looked at the possible spurs handball in the first half .Aitkinson another referee who we never seem to get anything off.I remember in the first match of the season against Bournemouth he failed to send Billings off and today how Spurs never recieved a yellow card only he knows.
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Desperately unlucky to lose that. I’ve not seen every match this season, but that was the best performance by a long chalk over 90 minutes. I did think Spurs would win, but didn’t expect it to be that close in terms of performance. Really gutted about the error at the end. We had rode our luck a few times though, giving the ball away- Reina baled us out a few times. Cracking performance though, Spurs were shitting themselves at the back.
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There was some atrocious defending at times. But we're at least trying to win.
Grealish as good as ever.
Reina was great.
Samatta looks really promising.
Guilbert seemed slow today.
Drinkwater was slow.
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Watched the replay, disappointed but the weaknesses are obvious, without Mings we had no real speed across the backline which was exploited time and again by the pace of the Spurs forwards.
Playing Drinkwater is plain stupid yes I can see that he could get back to being a good player but he needs a hard pre-season behind him and to play him in a side desperate for points defies logic.
We need a new defensive couch to get some discipline it's great having attacking wing backs but if they leave the defence exposed time and again what's the point.
Konsa and Hause are hardly slouches. Would agree there is a lack of pace in other areas though.
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Atkinson is and has always been an atrocious referee. Old Mourinho dishing out praise in his direction after the game. Moronic. Did they receive a single yellow all afternoon?
As for Moss, another moron. Crap, never looks fit, and very self important. But then he's a Premier League referee, so that's to be expected.
Damn you Villa for throwing that away. See you on Saturday for more punishment.
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Drinkwater was hilariously bad
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
This really fucks me off.
No one calls us fickle. No one accuses us of being fickle.
Only that c*** O’Leary and some of our own fans who keep fucking trotting it out.
We are no worse than the supporters of every other team who celebrate when things are going well and moan when they aren’t.
That word should be bloody well banned on here.
Well said, Andy. Spot on.
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I'm not getting hysterical and thought we played well. if we keep playing like that I thinl we'll be OK. But that's the thing for me - and Deano alluded to it when talking about competing with the teams around us - we don;t play like that all the time. Had we started like that at Bournemouth surely we would have blown them away, yet we seem to save our most abject performances for the games that matter against those in and around us.
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Watched the replay, disappointed but the weaknesses are obvious, without Mings we had no real speed across the backline which was exploited time and again by the pace of the Spurs forwards.
Playing Drinkwater is plain stupid yes I can see that he could get back to being a good player but he needs a hard pre-season behind him and to play him in a side desperate for points defies logic.
We need a new defensive couch to get some discipline it's great having attacking wing backs but if they leave the defence exposed time and again what's the point.
Konsa and Hause are hardly slouches. Would agree there is a lack of pace in other areas though.
Mings is as good a player as I’ve seen at the recovery tackle. It’s not just his speed and physicality, he’s very good at judging last ditch tackles which I think flatters us when we play a suicidally high line.
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I was screaming like a little girl when I saw the team selection but as soon as the game started, I couldn't believe how well we were playing. We had the Spurs defence filling their nappies every time we went forward, they really were one of the worst defences I've seen this season, Villa included. Unfortunately at the other end of the pitch they have some of the most technically gifted players I've seen in a long time, superb with the ball and near impossible to defend against. First half has to go down as one of the most entertaining games this season and we really should have been out of sight given the chances we created.
Second half I thought we gave them too much respect and backed off when we should have realised we wouldn't get a better chance to beat them such was their weak defence. The penalty was cruel but when you make challenges like that you need to at least get a touch on the ball. What was really annoying was watching our players outside the box waiting for Son to take it. It was as though they'd already excepted he would score. Extremely unprofessional and no surprise Spurs were queuing up for the rebound.
We need to dust ourselves down and get ready for the fight of our lives. There were plenty of positives yesterday and we need to build on them. Now is not the time to panic, that's next weekend. There was enough yesterday to give me confidence we can go there and pick up the 3 points. We just need the players to start believing for 95 minutes.
Final point, I can't stop thinking how we should have paid the £25m to Leeds for Phillips. To have that kind of quality and steel in front of our back line would have put us in a position of not having the worst defence in the division and a few more points on the board.
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I desperately want to do an "On reflection..." post this morning, but it honestly doesn't feel any better in the cold light of day. It was a game we shouldn't have lost, and though it's natural to question some of the decisions or substitutions, or criticise the officiating, ultimately it was a horrific mistake that cost us. That's harder to rationalise or find catharsis for, which I think is why that numbing feeling hasn't set in yet.
I think it's time to rename that other thread to Anyone still not worried?
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I was screaming like a little girl when I saw the team selection but as soon as the game started, I couldn't believe how well we were playing. We had the Spurs defence filling their nappies every time we went forward, they really were one of the worst defences I've seen this season, Villa included. Unfortunately at the other end of the pitch they have some of the most technically gifted players I've seen in a long time, superb with the ball and near impossible to defend against. First half has to go down as one of the most entertaining games this season and we really should have been out of sight given the chances we created.
Second half I thought we gave them too much respect and backed off when we should have realised we wouldn't get a better chance to beat them such was their weak defence. The penalty was cruel but when you make challenges like that you need to at least get a touch on the ball. What was really annoying was watching our players outside the box waiting for Son to take it. It was as though they'd already excepted he would score. Extremely unprofessional and no surprise Spurs were queuing up for the rebound.
We need to dust ourselves down and get ready for the fight of our lives. There were plenty of positives yesterday and we need to build on them. Now is not the time to panic, that's next weekend. There was enough yesterday to give me confidence we can go there and pick up the 3 points. We just need the players to start believing for 95 minutes.
Final point, I can't stop thinking how we should have paid the £25m to Leeds for Phillips. To have that kind of quality and steel in front of our back line would have put us in a position of not having the worst defence in the division and a few more points on the board.
The most important difference yesterday was that the team played with passion and commitment; not always something we have said in post-match threads. Very few of the players actually played badly; and some (AEG, Luiz, Guilbert) played pretty well in the main.
What's doing for us this season is poor defending and poor decision-making: MOTD2 got their analysis on yesterday absolutely right, and it begs the question - what is the point of John Terry?!
If I was at the club, I'd have been saying for a long while: get a decent defence coach in. We've all said on here for a long time: we cannot defend set pieces and our defensive line creaks at the sight of pace and incision. We'll get relegated bacause of poor defence, not the paucity in front of it.
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Giving 17 chances a game is not about defensive coaching, we leave the middle of the Park open.
That is tactical and structural.
Being off our feet at the end of games leading to fatigue and mistakes is not about coaching.
Using substitutions to help not hinder is not about coaching.
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Villa 2 - Villa 3
Each goal gifted.
Apart from Var gifting spuds a penalty about 20 minutes after the tackle.
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We played well just that ending I was gutted leaving Villa Park.
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What's doing for us this season is poor defending and poor decision-making: MOTD2 got their analysis on yesterday absolutely right, and it begs the question - what is the point of John Terry?!
If I was at the club, I'd have been saying for a long while: get a decent defence coach in. We've all said on here for a long time: we cannot defend set pieces and our defensive line creaks at the sight of pace and incision. We'll get relegated bacause of poor defence, not the paucity in front of it.
My fear is we'll get relegated on 'goal difference'.
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Giving 17 chances a game is not about defensive coaching, we leave the middle of the Park open.
That is tactical and structural.
Being off our feet at the end of games leading to fatigue and mistakes is not about coaching.
Using substitutions to help not hinder is not about coaching.
Some of what you say may be true.
Get your defence right and your whole team is playing further up the pitch with the ball, rather than chasing shadows without it.
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Honestly, I know it’s disappointing to lose in the way we did, but there is some absolute fucking shit being written on here. If you’re that convinced that everything is rubbish, we’re shit and definitely going down then don’t bother watching anymore.
The game I was at we should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored, only an unbelievable save from their keeper and a pass from Jack when he should have shot kept them in it. We had more possession, more corners and more shots, and in the end we’re undone by a dodgy penalty and a mistake from a defender starting his first game in months. Unfortunately it’s a tough league, and sometimes these things go against you.
What’s pissing me off more than anything else though is this attitude that Smith is useless and we have got a team that is not up to it. Have you seen us in the last 10 years? Do you remember what we looked like a little over 12 months ago? This team, by and large, is full of young players getting a full season at this level for the first time and they are trying their bollocks off - just look at the previous 2 home games for evidence. They are going to get things wrong, but they will also get better together the longer they have.
Totally agree. There’s so much negativity and throwing in the towel on here whenever we lose. No wonder we’re accused of being fickle.
This really fucks me off.
No one calls us fickle. No one accuses us of being fickle.
Only that c*** O’Leary and some of our own fans who keep fucking trotting it out.
We are no worse than the supporters of every other team who celebrate when things are going well and moan when they aren’t.
That word should be bloody well banned on here.
Well said, Andy. Spot on.
Well you’re one of the worst offenders aren’t you ‘Axl Rose’? Remember last season when you said the only way to get Connor Hourihane out of our club was to hound him out with personal abuse? It was just before we went on a record breaking run that ended in promotion that Connor played a part in.
A promotion that was achieved by a manager that you’ve also given loads of abuse to.
This season was always going to be tough. There was plenty of talk last summer of how, now promoted, we’d all really need to stick together through the tough times that would inevitably come. That hasn’t been the case on here and I’m just glad that the mood at the home and away games that I attend doesn’t mirror the negativity on here.
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You may well be right about me being one of the worst offenders. I like a rant and Hourihane bore the brunt of my anger. I remember saying that, and was wrong to do so. It was an over the top reaction to a player that I thought wasnt playing well, and looked like he couldn't give a shit. He duly rammed that down my throat, and I was happy to eat humble pie.
As for abusing Smith, you'll have to be more specific. I think he's been a bit crap this season on more than one occasion, despite the great achievement of promotion. If he was doing well, he wouldn't be receiving the so called abuse you speak of.
But thank you for reminding me of the abuse I dish out. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for anything negative that you say from now on. I'll send you a report later.
It's a football forum 'Marlon From Bearwood'. I'm afraid you're going to come across ranting and negativity. Apologies if it's made you feel uncomfortable.
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Gut wrenching to lose the game the way we did having played so well throughout. We played well against a very good side and if we take that attitude into the game V Southampton we can beat them. Pepe Reina had a great game, not just great saves but his distribution too.
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Imagine fans criticising players on a forum. Outrageous!
Smith is a very polarising manager. His best traits are his worst traits. He’s given us one of the the best highs of my time supporting the club but he’s disappointed in the PL, IMO. None of us can definitively separate transfer policy issues from FFP issues from smith issues. I change my mind every 5 minutes about how good he is, and results and performances encourage that. Call it fickle if you want but it doesn’t seem like a very helpful way to start a debate with your fellow fans.
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You may well be right about me being one of the worst offenders. I like a rant and Hourihane bore the brunt of my anger. I remember saying that, and was wrong to do so. It was an over the top reaction to a player that I thought wasnt playing well, and looked like he couldn't give a shit. He duly rammed that down my throat, and I was happy to eat humble pie.
As for abusing Smith, you'll have to be more specific. I think he's been a bit crap this season on more than one occasion, despite the great achievement of promotion. If he was doing well, he wouldn't be receiving the so called abuse you speak of.
But thank you for reminding me of the abuse I dish out. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for anything negative that you say from now on. I'll send you a report later.
It's a football forum 'Marlon From Bearwood'. I'm afraid you're going to come across ranting and negativity. Apologies if it's made you feel uncomfortable.
Fair enough. Maybe I was wrong to use the F word, I’ll put it down to the frustration of yesterday followed by some of the over the top comments on here.
Onwards and upwards (hopefully).
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Well that's two damaging defeats in a row, from games where we really should have taken some points.
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Yeah we’ve thrown away so many points in key games now it’s clearly not bad luck.
We’re about 5-6 brain farts away from being a mid table team. Infuriating. It was almost easier in 15/16 when we were just shit.
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Yeah we’ve thrown away so many points in key games now it’s clearly not bad luck.
We’re about 5-6 brain farts away from being a mid table team. Infuriating. It was almost easier in 15/16 when we were just shit.
This is actually a really good point. It’s the hope that kills ya and we’re not a million miles of being a decent side, which is why it’s so frustrating sometimes.
Being slightly delusional, southamptons really good run has faltered a bit, so you never know
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Yeah we’ve thrown away so many points in key games now it’s clearly not bad luck.
We’re about 5-6 brain farts away from being a mid table team. Infuriating. It was almost easier in 15/16 when we were just shit.
This is actually a really good point. It’s the hope that kills ya and we’re not a million miles of being a decent side, which is why it’s so frustrating sometimes.
Being slightly delusional, southamptons really good run has faltered a bit, so you never know
I'm hoping that yesterday's result at Arsenal will see the beginning of Newcastle's plummet to relegation. It's not impossible - Burnley have suddenly soared in the table when just a few weeks ago they were a strong relegation candidate and Palace have suddenly dropped quite a few places. Here's hoping.
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A win yesterday would’ve bought all those teams back into it. We just seem incapable of getting ourselves some breathing space. Newcastle’s run in has them playing pretty much every team below them, if they go on a poor run I still think they could get sucked in.
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I have never felt so down after a defeat but after sleeping on it I think we played well in the main and having looked at everyone’s run in around us still think we can stay up.
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You may well be right about me being one of the worst offenders. I like a rant and Hourihane bore the brunt of my anger. I remember saying that, and was wrong to do so. It was an over the top reaction to a player that I thought wasnt playing well, and looked like he couldn't give a shit. He duly rammed that down my throat, and I was happy to eat humble pie.
As for abusing Smith, you'll have to be more specific. I think he's been a bit crap this season on more than one occasion, despite the great achievement of promotion. If he was doing well, he wouldn't be receiving the so called abuse you speak of.
But thank you for reminding me of the abuse I dish out. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for anything negative that you say from now on. I'll send you a report later.
It's a football forum 'Marlon From Bearwood'. I'm afraid you're going to come across ranting and negativity. Apologies if it's made you feel uncomfortable.
Fair enough. Maybe I was wrong to use the F word, I’ll put it down to the frustration of yesterday followed by some of the over the top comments on here.
Onwards and upwards (hopefully).
Yes mate. Onwards and upwards!
We all hurt when we lose, of course. I still think we will stay up, and reckon we'll beat Southampton this weekend.
Up the Villa.
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On reflection, and after picking myself up from the Holte floor at the end, I really enjoyed it as a game of football.
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It was a great game of football and to be fair Mourinho was complementary about us after, in terms of we came to try and win it not draw. It seems a bit like Smith is trying to literally shoot us out of the problem rather the typical grind out results. It’s certainly brave, possibly naive, if we go down it’ll look that way, if we stay up he might be a bit of a legend for his approach. It’s definitely not good for the nerves, at least for the most part under MacLeish, lambert etc, we were just a bit bored most of the time.
I’ve said before that Newcastle are the worst side I’ve seen this season and I’ve thought they may still get pulled in. Interestingly they play palace this weekend, a draw doesn’t do either of them any favours, and whoever loses will be looking over their shoulder.
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It was a great game of football and to be fair Mourinho was complementary about us after, in terms of we came to try and win it not draw. It seems a bit like Smith is trying to literally shoot us out of the problem rather the typical grind out results. It’s certainly brave, possibly naive, if we go down it’ll look that way, if we stay up he might be a bit of a legend for his approach. It’s definitely not good for the nerves, at least for the most part under MacLeish, lambert etc, we were just a bit bored most of the time.
I’ve said before that Newcastle are the worst side I’ve seen this season and I’ve thought they may still get pulled in. Interestingly they play palace this weekend, a draw doesn’t do either of them any favours, and whoever loses will be looking over their shoulder.
I don't think we have the personnel to 'grind' out results? Scoring isn't really our issue (only 8 teams have scored more than we have this season), and if the approach of the team for the remainder of the season is "we'll likely concede, so let's outscore them" then it will, at least, be entertaining.
If we are to go down (I don't think we will, but 'if'), then I'd rather it was while having a go than trying to park the bus and pick up boring draws.
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It was another painful end to a game for us but part of makes it so horrible was down to just how well we had played. Man, I was so proud of the team, we dominated the ball for long periods against last years Champions League finalists.
It's too late to say, "if we can just cut out the mistakes", I think. They are just a feature of this season's Villa. We go to try and win and yes sometimes it leaves us very open. I think we sort of knew we'd be a bit like that at the start of the season.
But I am proud of how we played. To come out for that second half and battle the way we did was inspiring.
Barring his mistake I thought Engels was really good. I didn't think it was a penalty, he didn't bring their player down, he just made sure his leg was there to block the shot. Reina was outstanding. Grealish was Grealish being Grealishy. I thought Targett had one of his better games for us, he was pretty decent defensively which I was grateful for.
What can you do about the loss though. We just have to give it everything in the games remaining and pray it's enough. It's going to be super tight and probably will go down to the last day.
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I feel a lot better at the moment, after a night's sleep and plenty of comfort food to cope with the trauma of it all.
The reality (for me) is that at times, we looked dangerously close to producing our best performance of the season. It reminded me a lot of how we used to play when we went on the 10-game run, really going for it and leaving the other team looking rattled.
Good performances without points aren't good enough anymore, though I do fancy us to get something on Saturday, and I think we'll beat 2 of Chelsea, Wolves and United in our next 3 home games.
We've still got time, and we're still not in the bottom 3. Assuming West Ham don't get any change out of City in the week - it's still in our own hands.
Up the Villa.
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Good performances are still important, they're our only hope. We've got precisely no chances of getting anything other than bugger-all without them.
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For a lot of the match yesterday I thought we looked good. But in patches their class showed and it's only to be expected due to how far behind them we are these days.
I felt for Engels as I thought he had a fairly decent game. And no player deserves some of the backward comments posted on here, it was a mistake. Mistakes happen. Don't shit your pants over it.
If we go down this season, which i'd say is 50/50 then it wont be down to that error. It'll be down to not being good enough over the course of the season. And that's what we've got to sort out. No point dwelling on yesterday's result. Take the positives, and there were many and take them into Saturday and try and get those three points we desperately need
UTV
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Laughable on some other sites seeing Spuds fans saying they are pleased that they didn't sign Grealish and what a poor game he had. They really are total cnuts aren't they?
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I thought that yet again, we tired earlier than the opposition and for the last 20 mins, we made far more unforced errors which enabled them to build momentum and pin us back in our third. Overall we played very well although too open even with a lot of defensive players on the field but a great game for the neutral.
I guessed that we'd regret those missed first half chances and so it proved.
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Watched the replay, disappointed but the weaknesses are obvious, without Mings we had no real speed across the backline which was exploited time and again by the pace of the Spurs forwards.
Playing Drinkwater is plain stupid yes I can see that he could get back to being a good player but he needs a hard pre-season behind him and to play him in a side desperate for points defies logic.
We need a new defensive couch to get some discipline it's great having attacking wing backs but if they leave the defence exposed time and again what's the point.
Good point about the back line and Drinkwater which I've been thinking over as well.
Id like to think Ming's would have not conceded that penalty due to his pace. I don't dislike Engels but he has a real lack of pace.
Similarly Drinkwater is nice and tidy player but his pace seems to have disappeared if he ever had any.
I think we all realise that the work rate from Kante allowed Drinkwater the luxury we cant currently afford.
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Can we all agree we missed Mings?
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You may well be right about me being one of the worst offenders. I like a rant and Hourihane bore the brunt of my anger. I remember saying that, and was wrong to do so. It was an over the top reaction to a player that I thought wasnt playing well, and looked like he couldn't give a shit. He duly rammed that down my throat, and I was happy to eat humble pie.
As for abusing Smith, you'll have to be more specific. I think he's been a bit crap this season on more than one occasion, despite the great achievement of promotion. If he was doing well, he wouldn't be receiving the so called abuse you speak of.
But thank you for reminding me of the abuse I dish out. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for anything negative that you say from now on. I'll send you a report later.
It's a football forum 'Marlon From Bearwood'. I'm afraid you're going to come across ranting and negativity. Apologies if it's made you feel uncomfortable.
Fair enough. Maybe I was wrong to use the F word, I’ll put it down to the frustration of yesterday followed by some of the over the top comments on here.
Onwards and upwards (hopefully).
Yes mate. Onwards and upwards!
We all hurt when we lose, of course. I still think we will stay up, and reckon we'll beat Southampton this weekend.
Up the Villa.
I was guilty of an ott rant straight after the game yesterday. I aimed my abuse straight at Engels. It's heat of the moment stuff but sometimes you just need to have a rant. Better on here i suppose than at the game!
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I don't know why there is so much moaning. I saw some really good stuff yesterday at Villa Park; great technique, consistent quality and composure under pressure.
Well done to all the "Prize where it lies" contestants.
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Laughable on some other sites seeing Spuds fans saying they are pleased that they didn't sign Grealish and what a poor game he had. They really are total cnuts aren't they?
Grealish was the best player on the park by God knows how much. Especially first half. A lovely player to watch. Even if I wasn't Villa through and through, I'd pay money to go and watch Grealish play.
Spurs fans are just laughable in general.
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Can we all agree we missed Mings?
I think this has been underplayed.
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I don't know why there is so much moaning. I saw some really good stuff yesterday at Villa Park; great technique, consistent quality and composure under pressure.
Well done to all the "Prize where it lies" contestants.
Forgot about that! I think it took the collective will of those still watching to get that one to stop in time.
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Laughable on some other sites seeing Spuds fans saying they are pleased that they didn't sign Grealish and what a poor game he had. They really are total cnuts aren't they?
Grealish was the best player on the park by God knows how much. Especially first half. A lovely player to watch. Even if I wasn't Villa through and through, I'd pay money to go and watch Grealish play.
Spurs fans are just laughable in general.
If newcastle are the worst side down villa this season (imo) then spurs have the worst fans, completely silent apart from a couple of minutes celebrations after each goal, ‘we forgot that you were here’ had never been more aptly sang.
I winced again re the Engels mistake when watching motd2 on catch up this morning, but it’s gone now. Someone else posted it’s probably too late in the season to start cutting out the things that have been going wrong, mistakes etc, not to say we shouldn’t try...but I think that’s probably right, and we’re going to have to hope our attacking flair pays dividends in 3 or 4 games out of the 12 to go. We need to start on Saturday like we did yesterday and a bit like Southampton did against us at VP
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Can we all agree we missed Mings?
Depends which Mings you mean, the class one or the one that's been playing as he did against Bournemouth?
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We do miss Mings but the 3 man defence has issues ...other teams playing it have 3 solid CB's generally good on the ball.What we do is have Mings play as a cover for when the other 2 fuck up.
Another issue is we have Jack on the left ahead of Hause who is clearly the weakest passer of the three , so many times he lofted a ball up to Jack which was a nothing ball and easy to defend against.This situation however comes from the man deficit in MF , when we have 2 in there in this case DD and DL the Spurs 3 can get tight on them leaving the cbs with only long punts up field.
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Must have missed it but what was wrong with Mings
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Must have missed it but what was wrong with Mings
Ill apparently.
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They think it's tonsillitis and that he should be back for the Saints game. So out for the season then with our track record.
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A lot of people saying we played well and didn't deserve to lose. What I saw, we played well, very well, for the first 30 minutes, and maybe for 5-10 minutes or so at the start of the second half. But we allowed an away team 23 shots at goal, 10 of which were on target. That's not a one-off either. We, the home side, had 18 shots, 4 on target. That's not playing well in my book, and it's not indicating we deserved anything from the game except what we got. Sickening as it was coming in the dying seconds, they were getting chance after chance the last 15 minutes, and a fair few before that. It would have happened much sooner if not for Reina's saves and Deli Alli not being able to finish. The way we "defended" I reckon if Kane had been playing they'd have put 6 past us like Citeh did.
As for Smith instead of whingeing about VAR getting the penalty decision right he should focus on teaching the team how to defend and not make stupid errors and challenges.
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A lot of people saying we played well and didn't deserve to lose. What I saw, we played well, very well, for the first 30 minutes, and maybe for 5-10 minutes or so at the start of the second half. But we allowed an away team 23 shots at goal, 10 of which were on target. That's not a one-off either. We, the home side, had 18 shots, 4 on target. That's not playing well in my book, and it's not indicating we deserved anything from the game except what we got. Sickening as it was coming in the dying seconds, they were getting chance after chance the last 15 minutes, and a fair few before that. It would have happened much sooner if not for Reina's saves and Deli Alli not being able to finish. The way we "defended" I reckon if Kane had been playing they'd have put 6 past us like Citeh did.
As for Smith instead of whingeing about VAR getting the penalty decision right he should focus on teaching the team how to defend and not make stupid errors and challenges.
Exactly this and it is no surprise that you get a defensive error under the pressure we had been under.
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Why is Smith blaming VAR? Ok, he might be a bit pissed off but the blame is on a Premier League footballer who can't trap a ball he's watched coming at him for half the pitch.
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I winced again re the Engels mistake when watching motd2 on catch up this morning, but it’s gone now. Someone else posted it’s probably too late in the season to start cutting out the things that have been going wrong, mistakes etc, not to say we shouldn’t try...but I think that’s probably right, and we’re going to have to hope our attacking flair pays dividends in 3 or 4 games out of the 12 to go.
Indeed.
Bournemouth have been largely bollocks defensively since they came up, but they have managed to survive each season since 2015.
I don't expect us to suddenly get good defensively. Hopefully a bit less shit might suffice.
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I dream of us being defensively a bit less shit.
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As gutting as the result & the manner of the goal was, we played really well for that first 30 mins & should have been 3 up.
Following that we were wide open, I lost count of the number of times we were opened up & left 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 at the back. I think Jenas picked up on it on MOTD. We can't defend because we don't defend & against a quick mobile forward line it gets shown up.
Hopefully fortune favours the brave, but we don't help ourselves & it'll go to the last day.
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I don't know why there is so much moaning. I saw some really good stuff yesterday at Villa Park; great technique, consistent quality and composure under pressure.
Well done to all the "Prize where it lies" contestants.
Forgot about that! I think it took the collective will of those still watching to get that one to stop in time.
The initial reaction of the guy on the mike was "this is getting too easy, we'll have to move the mat back". Good to see the spirit of Doug alive and well!!
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Interesting that the guys on MOTD2 picked up on our defensive failings. Huge holes in our back line just asking to be exploited by quick, clever forwards on the break. Considering we supposedly have one of the best PL defenders on our coaching staff it does beg the question why we are so vulnerable at the back. Even with Mings playing we've still conceded far too many goals this season. I still think we will be safe but its going to be a bumpy ride over the coming months!
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Interesting that the guys on MOTD2 picked up on our defensive failings. Huge holes in our back line just asking to be exploited by quick, clever forwards on the break. Considering we supposedly have one of the best PL defenders on our coaching staff it does beg the question why we are so vulnerable at the back. Even with Mings playing we've still conceded far too many goals this season. I still think we will be safe but its going to be a bumpy ride over the coming months!
That defender has little or no coaching experience unfortunately. But the biggest problem is in midfield, we have been getting overran there all season. No matter what combination or what personnel. Drinkwater is laughably poor but it was a problem long before he was brought in.
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Why is Smith blaming VAR? Ok, he might be a bit pissed off but the blame is on a Premier League footballer who can't trap a ball he's watched coming at him for half the pitch.
It's a tough one. Calling Engels out wouldn't have helped though and deflecting the blame onto VAR just helps to let him deal with the performance errors behind closed doors.
Things like the VAR decision are real issues in the game, technically a penalty, but not a clear and obvious error.
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Apparently Son broke his arm in the first minute. Just our luck he toughed it out for the last 93 minutes!
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Jesus Christ.
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Apparently Son broke his arm in the first minute. Just our luck he toughed it out for the last 93 minutes!
Bizarre, ended an op too!
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Saw Smith's VAR rant on MOTD2 - unnecessary and not the reason we lost. Still baffled how we can have 2 former defenders as coaches and can't get this sorted. The inconsistency and lack of concentration are killing us. On a positive - love Samata's attitude and ability - he'll do well.
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Saw Smith's VAR rant on MOTD2 - unnecessary and not the reason we lost. Still baffled how we can have 2 former defenders as coaches and can't get this sorted. The inconsistency and lack of concentration are killing us. On a positive - love Samata's attitude and ability - he'll do well.
Think it was Risso that said it and he was right, the problem is mostly with our midfield. Yes Engels made a horrific individual error but they were under pressure all game with Spurs totally bypassing our midfield, eventually most players will crack under sustained pressure, there's a mistake in everyone.
There's no protection in general for the centre-halves and it's been a massive recurring problem in our season. The amount of times we concede possession in the middle of the park from unforced errors, and the subsequent chances presented to the opposition, is the source of most of our woes.
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Saw Smith's VAR rant on MOTD2 - unnecessary and not the reason we lost. Still baffled how we can have 2 former defenders as coaches and can't get this sorted. The inconsistency and lack of concentration are killing us. On a positive - love Samata's attitude and ability - he'll do well.
Think it was Risso that said it and he was right, the problem is mostly with our midfield. Yes Engels made a horrific individual error but they were under pressure all game with Spurs totally bypassing our midfield, eventually most players will crack under sustained pressure, there's a mistake in everyone.
There's no protection in general for the centre-halves and it's been a massive recurring problem in our season. The amount of times we concede possession in the middle of the park from unforced errors, and the subsequent chances presented to the opposition, is the source of most of our woes.
It’s a recurring theme and one he is not going to address.
So it’s a white knuckle ride every game.
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Can't fault the general performance on Sunday but DS subs were shite and silly mistakes again cost us.
Southampton is again a 'must win' but we have had so many now and failed . Can only see us going down with our run of fixtures
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Can't fault the general performance on Sunday but DS subs were shite and silly mistakes again cost us.
Southampton is again a 'must win' but we have had so many now and failed . Can only see us going down with our run of fixtures
In what way were the subs shite?
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Apparently Son broke his arm in the first minute. Just our luck he toughed it out for the last 93 minutes!
He could've at least had the decency to get subbed with 5 minutes left, Dele Alli would've probably fired against the North Stand exec boxes with that late chance the way he was finishing in the game.
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We conceded goals with 4 at the back. We switched to 5 and it was widely accepted that we looking a better unit both offensively and defensively.
But we’re still conceding goals. So we set up to try and out score the opposition rather than defend and try to nick a goal that was widely derided (Steve Bruce says hello)
Smiths approach of trying to win the game based on us being defensively not great makes sense. Had we took our chances in the first half we’d of been 2/3 goals up and a different game.
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In some ways, the best performance of the season -and we get nothing! IMHO, the goal from the corner came from a move where a Spuds player was marginally offside. I couldn't see anything the was 'Clear and Obvious' for the pen. We missed as many good chances as they did.