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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on January 18, 2020, 05:01:42 PM
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Nobody seems to be arsed to start one so here you go
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Thank fuck for Jack. Brutal first half. Much better second.
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I’d have taken a point beforehand.
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Brighton 1 Grealish FC 1.
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A good point. We weren't quite as bad as the match thread suggested.
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Fair result, neither team created much. Desperate for an outball upfront.
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Nobody seems to be arsed to start one so here you go
Brave man.
I'd sack Smith and make Jack player-manager.
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Crap game between two poor teams. Jack the best player on the pitch, as he is most weeks. Defeat would have been tough to take but we got a point and that's basically what I was hoping for. I'm still completely unimpressed by Smith.
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A decent point considering our lack of a goal threat, and a good set of results. A Newcastle defeat would make it a good weekend even though we’re still in the bottom 3.
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Other results not too bad today...what a difference 45 minutes can make!
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First 65 minutes, disgraceful.
Final 25 minutes, less disgraceful.
Drinkwater, AEG, Trezeguet, Targett particularly shite.
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At least Smith did something eventually. Everything good that we did in the 2nd half, began when Drinkwater went off.
Grealish, Mings and Reina, thank you all.
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I'd take a point.
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Maupay is a niggly little shit shouldn't have been on the pitch at the end.
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Important point but fucking hell we need to be a million times better. Jack is just about keeping us alive. It’s about time the management and some of the other players stepped up.
If Tyrone is injured we need another centre half.
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That's a good point. And, we're not down yet.
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Where would we be without the boy wonder?
Important we didn't lose so the gap to Brighton stays at 3 points rather than 6. Decent point too given none of the other results today went against us really.
I think Grealish has now scored in his last four games against Brighton.
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Truly dismal first hour, marginally better last 30 minutes.
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First 65 minutes, disgraceful.
Final 25 minutes, less disgraceful.
Drinkwater, AEG, Trezeguet, Targett particularly shite.
Hause and Nakamba worth a mention
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More of the same disorganised defending, lack of proper game plan, Jack saving the day, well done Jack. We are sleep walking towards relegation. Pepe was calm, Drinkwater was wank. We need quality in next week. Does a draw stop me from wanting a change of Manager? No. The players look scared. Luiz made a different, is his best position that of an impact sub? A useful point but we remain poor and in the bottom three. Good job the season doesn't finish today eh?
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Much improved second half but our tactics...... have we got any apart from get the ball to Jack and hope he can conjure something?
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Shit first half, better second.
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Would have taken a point before the match. Looking to the Watford match, I watched their match today v Spuds. They seemed to have pace and aggression which we normally can’t cope with. Just have to hope that we can get on the front foot and take the game to them.
Would be a massive 3 points if we can win this one.
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I honestly don’t know what some people want. We’re in a relegation battle, some players are going to be a bit shit in most games. A point away at one of our relegation rivals is really decent ffs. And we’re obviously not going to have an out all as we haven’t got a forward, we’ll documented.
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Decent result, which keeps them in the mix. Would have taken a draw beforehand & at half time.
Looked much better second half & if anything we could have nicked it.
Nothing a couple of forwrds wouldn't fix.
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Overall a very good point considering how bad we were for an hour.
Away form is starting to pick up now.
Thought Luiz had an excellent cameo. In from the start for Drinkwater on Tuesday please.
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At least Smith did something eventually. Everything good that we did in the 2nd half, began when Drinkwater went off.
Grealish, Mings and Reina, thank you all.
Luiz got us playing I thought when he came on. Brighton sat back and gave us far too much space but credit to Luiz.
Thought AEG did well on right wing too late on. Goal was a superb finish from Grealish.
Brighton seemed very nervous, a point on a bog of a pitch not the worst result.
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Didn’t watch any of it but in the grand scheme of things it’s the type of away point we’ve thrown away about 4 or 5 times this season so maybe a step in the right direction.
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we weren’t very good for the first hour and are the very definition of a one man team
But we’re still in it
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I’m going against the usual wave of negative comment and congratulating the team on a decent point.
So well done lads.
Right back to it then..
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I suppose one way to look at it is it’s 7 points from the last four games including one against Citeh.
Edit from five games. Okay it’s not great.
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At least Smith did something eventually. Everything good that we did in the 2nd half, began when Drinkwater went off.
Grealish, Mings and Reina, thank you all.
Luiz got us playing I thought when he came on. Brighton sat back and gave us far too much space but credit to Luiz.
Thought AEG did well on right wing too late on. Goal was a superb finish from Grealish.
Brighton seemed very nervous, a point on a bog of a pitch not the worst result.
Yep Douglas showed value. That’s the role he needs to play.
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Good result considering the first half and our predicament
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We're in a scrap now so that's a good point. Selection is still a conundrum as is Drinkwater, a striker in will help and so will a stonker of a win on Tuesday.
We need a couple more players, and there's time.
All, is far from lost.
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Konsa and Maupay squaring up at the end. Thought they were former teammates. Maupay is a nasty little frigger.
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Am I right in thinking that, of the teams we have played twice, we are currentlly
Norwich, 6pts
Burnley, 4pts
Brighton, 4pts.
That's not bad at all...if we can get revenge on Bournmouth and Watford (and later in the season Crystal Palace)...things will look an awful, awful lot better.
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It's really tight at the bottom so not losing today was vital, second half performance much better than what was served up in the first half.
Get a couple of strikers in Villa because we are still fighting.
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Good fight back and a good point.
Smith owes Jack another pint.
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A very important point. Well done to Luiz for a smart assist and Grealish for getting us out of jail, he was always going to be our only goal threat today and took it brilliantly. A future without him just doesn't bear thinking about, so Smith and Suso need to get the fucking finger out and fix our forward crisis immediately or we're not moving out of this bottom 3.
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Mostly garbage, Jack is the highlight - just like he was last season.
Mings is the only real defender we have out of the five that started today, six if you include Nakamba. Guilbert and Targett are very poor, so much so I'd rather have Hutton back. Really.
I've had enough of this turgid anti-football, Smith needs to go.
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Am I right in thinking that, of the teams we have played twice, we are currentlly
Norwich, 6pts
Burnley, 4pts
Brighton, 4pts.
That's not bad at all...if we can get revenge on Bournmouth and Watford (and later in the season Crystal Palace)...things will look an awful, awful lot better.
We fucking owe Bournemouth one for the daylight robbery they got away with on the opening home game, we murdered them after the opening 20 minute brain farts and were unlucky not to get a point.
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Am I right in thinking that, of the teams we have played twice, we are currentlly
Norwich, 6pts
Burnley, 4pts
Brighton, 4pts.
That's not bad at all...if we can get revenge on Bournmouth and Watford (and later in the season Crystal Palace)...things will look an awful, awful lot better.
Man City too.
Watford and Bournemouth are just huge fixtures. What I'd give for 6 points.
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Wasn’t there but from what I could hear the fans were absolutely magnificent. With 110% support from them home and away in each and every match plus a couple of strikers, I’m convinced we’ll be Ok.
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Team for Tuesday?
Reina
Konsa Mings Hause
Freddy Targett
Doug Marv Jack
Trez or AEG
Samatta
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Striker and midfielder for watford is vital...
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Thoughts on today.
VERY happy with a point given the circumstances.
The first half performance was as bad as i can remember.
Drinkwater was dreadful, slow, sloppy and completely off the pace.
I think bringing the young lad Vassilev on added some spark/life to our performance, as did Luiz.
Jack's goal (and Luiz's pass) were quality.
Maupay is a little shitbag.
Other than that the same problems and lack of quality were VERY apparent. But for today let's be happy we got something.
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I hope to God he doesn’t start with Drinkwater on Tuesday.
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I hope to God he doesn’t start with Drinkwater on Tuesday.
Totally agree, but I have a horrible feeling he will.
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Thoughts on today.
VERY happy with a point given the circumstances.
The first half performance was as bad as i can remember.
Drinkwater was dreadful, slow, sloppy and completely off the pace.
I think bringing the young lad Vassilev on added some spark/life to our performance, as did Luiz.
Jack's goal (and Luiz's pass) were quality.
Maupay is a little shitbag.
Other than that the same problems and lack of quality were VERY apparent. But for today let's be happy we got something.
Agree on Vassilev - made decent runs, made their defence do something.
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I hope to God he doesn’t start with Drinkwater on Tuesday.
I only had audio for the game. Was he bad? Marvellous against Citeh bad?
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Thoughts on today.
VERY happy with a point given the circumstances.
The first half performance was as bad as i can remember.
Drinkwater was dreadful, slow, sloppy and completely off the pace.
I think bringing the young lad Vassilev on added some spark/life to our performance, as did Luiz.
Jack's goal (and Luiz's pass) were quality.
Maupay is a little shitbag.
Other than that the same problems and lack of quality were VERY apparent. But for today let's be happy we got something.
Fair summary.
I think having Vassilev in the middle, even though he clearly isn't really ready yet to my mind, at least gives us some normality in shape and helps others perform. I'd start with him on Tuesday to be honest and have Archer on the bench for when he tires. They won't be any less effective than El Ghazi as a striker and would allow Jack to play centrally with El Ghazi and Trezeguet wide.
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Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11911791/grealish-rescues-point-for-villa)
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I hope to God he doesn’t start with Drinkwater on Tuesday.
Douglas should be in in a creative role.
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I hope to God he doesn’t start with Drinkwater on Tuesday.
He must absolutely not play. Not fit, too slow and doesn't fancy the graft or fight required for this battle.
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Really hope Tyrone is ok.
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Anyone any idea what has happened Nakamba? in his early games, he looked very lively on his feet and comfortable on the ball. Now it seems as if he is stuck to the ground and the ball is an alien concept to his feet.
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I hope to God he doesn’t start with Drinkwater on Tuesday.
I only had audio for the game. Was he bad? Marvellous against Citeh bad?
It's all about opinions but for yes, he was that bad. Again.
Got a yellow for a awful tackle and then crept about doing fuck all mainly. Whether he's just woefully off the pace or broken i don't know. But if you can't get a game at Burnley you aren't going to be up to much let's be honest.
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Thoughts on today.
VERY happy with a point given the circumstances.
The first half performance was as bad as i can remember.
Drinkwater was dreadful, slow, sloppy and completely off the pace.
I think bringing the young lad Vassilev on added some spark/life to our performance, as did Luiz.
Jack's goal (and Luiz's pass) were quality.
Maupay is a little shitbag.
Other than that the same problems and lack of quality were VERY apparent. But for today let's be happy we got something.
Agree on Vassilev - made decent runs, made their defence do something.
If no new striker, I would start h8m. If nothing else he knows how to play the position, or should do. Give him a go
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Anyone any idea what has happened Nakamba? in his early games, he looked very lively on his feet and comfortable on the ball. Now it seems as if he is stuck to the ground and the ball is an alien concept to his feet.
I think they're all bringing each other's level of play down. There very little quality in midfield and so they get chopped and changed all the time too.
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I hope to God he doesn’t start with Drinkwater on Tuesday.
I only had audio for the game. Was he bad? Marvellous against Citeh bad?
It's all about opinions but for yes, he was that bad. Again.
Got a yellow for a awful tackle and then crept about doing fuck all mainly. Whether he's just woefully off the pace or broken i don't know. But if you can't get a game at Burnley you aren't going to be up to much let's be honest.
He wasn't good but he made a couple of key interceptions. That shot though...
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Superb strike from Jack, can't be many better midfielders in the country at the moment, the man's absolute class. Need 6 points from next 2 games.
UP THE VILLA
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Atrocious first 45, followed by a much improved second. Magnificent finish from JG - who was the best player on the park (again). Mings was quality & a great save by Reina to ensure a point. All in all, 2 sides who would struggle to be at the sharp end in the Championship.
Oh, and Maupay is a laughable bell. I hope a responsible adult gives him a smacked bottom & sends him to bed early.
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Superb strike from Jack, can't be many better midfielders in the country at the moment, the man's absolute class. Need 6 points from next 2 games.
UP THE VILLA
Best English midfielder by a distance
Southgate sees him competing with Sterling and Rashford but I think Grealish should be walking into that England national team like he walk into Liverpool midfield.
Super effort by him for the goal.
Way he connected and ability to hit the net.
Just wow . You are really Super, Jack!
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Absolutely awful until we played an actual striker up front at which point the game became more stretched and we were more of an attacking influence.
Targett and particularly Drinkwater were appalling in the first half. Luiz looked lively when he came on and what can you say about Jack? The definition of a talisman and I dread to think where we’d be without him. Must must must win on Tuesday. UTV
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Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11911791/grealish-rescues-point-for-villa)
Never saw the angle behind the goal but surely Reina should be saving that shot?
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Awful games, decent point.
We need a couple of wins from our next 4/5 or it's curtains for us.
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Never saw the angle behind the goal but surely Reina should be saving that shot?
I don't know. I think it was basically a very good strike from a very tight angle.
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Second half we were the architects of our own down fall. Beifhton picked up on our loose ends as we were far too easy in giving the ball away.
They didn't create much but there was 3 scrambles and the goal inevitable came from Hause cocking up.
There was no out ball and the wing backs were tucked too deep.
Second half, much improved. We closed them and forced them into errors. Targett and Guilbert occupied their full backs and credit to Vas, he was a pest.
Lovely ball from Dougie and a lovely finish from Grealish, a point well deserved. Reina made one brilliant save, Drinkwater got more to grips second half. Generally a lot better.
I would have settled for a point before the game.
Two points, park and ride is shite and what's the point of a pack of pyro dogs that cannot sniff out pyro?
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Was dubious about signing Reina, but can see from today the difference he can make. Confident, assured and not frightened to give his defenders(including Mings) massive bollockings
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Vassilev made us better because he actually got us up the pitch.
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Vassilev made us better because he actually got us up the pitch.
He should start on Tuesday with Jack in the middle.
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A decent point given the performance. We desperately need a centre forward to help the cohesion and balance of the team but it does worry me that our recruitment policy seems to be signing a lot of players with no experience in England (Wesley, Trez, Luiz, Engels, Guilbert, Nakamba) and this new striker will take a while settling in to the pace of the game. We did this in the summer and its not worked out well, we need results now.
As for our passing we must have the worst stats for giving the ball away by some distance, Targett is probably the worst of the lot mind you he has a lot of competition for that honour.
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Maupay is a niggly little shit shouldn't have been on the pitch at the end.
....or preferably had just played the 90 minutes in a Villa shirt. ;)
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A genuine striker should definitely start.
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Absolutely awful until we played an actual striker up front
He's not a striker, he's an attacking midfielder.
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Positives:
Good debut from Reina, who looked confident and authoritative
Mings commanding
Brilliant strike from Jack, after a great ball from Luiz
The "Smith Out" brigade need to notice whatever Deano said at half time worked. We played with more drive and conviction and an equaliser was deserved. The substitutions were timely and effective.
On to a massive game on Tuesday.
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I only watched about 20-25 mins of it in the first half so I can't comment on the overall performance but it did look all Brighton. Pretty pleased with the result considering we had two wingers trying to be strikers.
Dean Smith is the best manager since Remi Garde.
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Pleased with a point considering the circumstances, we didn’t play well but they aren’t all that either. I’m going to go there and say I’m glad we didn’t sign Maupay in the end, he’s a berk.
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Pleased and glad villa woke up but we need a miracle and a few more ground out results. And get a fecking striker from somewhere!
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Just seen our goal.Wow-those limbs. We are the best at celebrating.
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Vassilev made us better because he actually got us up the pitch.
He should start on Tuesday with Jack in the middle.
Couldn't watch th game but hope Smith saw that.
Apparently we were shit again but got a point. Hopefully we can only get better.
Burnley lose tomorrow we beat Bournemouth and we will be happy.
I love the Villa.
UTV.
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I’d like us to beat Watford too.
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Absolutely awful until we played an actual striker up front at which point the game became more stretched and we were more of an attacking influence.
Targett and particularly Drinkwater were appalling in the first half. Luiz looked lively when he came on and what can you say about Jack? The definition of a talisman and I dread to think where we’d be without him. Must must must win on Tuesday. UTV
Vassilev is not a striker. He usually plays in midfield for the U23s.
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Konsa and Maupay squaring up at the end. Thought they were former teammates. Maupay is a nasty little frigger.
Just because they were team mates doesn't necessarily mean they got on with each other. The best things to come out of today were the point, Luiz's cameo performance and hopefully Drinkwater being one more game sharper.
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Vassilev made us better because he actually got us up the pitch.
Brilliant factual point Paul.
And Indie has shades of the busy ness of Andi Weimann in his pomp.
7 touches
Offside twice
But still hasn't had opportunity to have any shots or goal action.
Liked his effort and what he brought to the front line
Good on him
Said exactly the same thing earlier. He got stuck in and was 'busy'. Not all about touching the ball etc, he hassled em and that made a big difference IMHO.
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Konsa and Maupay squaring up at the end. Thought they were former teammates. Maupay is a nasty little frigger.
Just because they were team mates doesn't necessarily mean they got on with each other. The best things to come out of today were the point, Luiz's cameo performance and hopefully Drinkwater being one more game sharper.
I would add to that Reina looking fit and relatively sharp, Vassilev by no means letting himself down, the substitutions having an impact on the game and Maupay not scoring so avoiding a week of how much we should have signed him.
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There was a real flare up after a tactical foul by Hourihane in the final minute. I don't usually condone this sort of behaviour , tactical fouls, I'm a football skills artist but it was needed and something necessary at the end to stop the break away.
Have to say well done after seeing players fly by at times this season Hourihane did stop play.
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There was a real flare up after a tactical foul by Hourihane in the final minute. I don't usually condone this sort of behaviour , tactical fouls, I'm a football skills artist but it was needed and something necessary at the end to stop the break away.
Have to say well done after seeing players fly by at times this season Hourihane did stop play.
Post of the decade!
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I'm a football skills artist
You're definitely an artist of some sort.
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Awful first half, but better in the 2nd period. Actually showed some attacking intent and ambition towards the end and got a reward.
Thought Vassilev at least gave the defenders something to think about when he came on and opened up a bit of space for Grealish and others.
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Absolutely awful until we played an actual striker up front at which point the game became more stretched and we were more of an attacking influence.
Targett and particularly Drinkwater were appalling in the first half. Luiz looked lively when he came on and what can you say about Jack? The definition of a talisman and I dread to think where we’d be without him. Must must must win on Tuesday. UTV
Vassilev is not a striker. He usually plays in midfield for the U23s.
Well he certainly did a better impression than AEG (who looked miles better out wide)!
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Just got home having got a spare ticket in the home end off a Brighton season ticket holder. Dead and buried at half time but two things seemed to change in the second half and both at the same time - Brighton took Connelly off and we brought Luiz and Vassilev on. This took the momentum away from Brighton as they went more defensive and invited us on - when we scored i honestly thought we would go on and win. Fantastic save by Reina late on, was right in front of me and it was superb, would have probably beaten Nyland.
Positives - Reina, Grealish, the back three were pretty good too.
Negatives - nothing really going through the middle for Villa, everything was going out to the wings, we looked a side without a centre forward but our tactics did seem to help us in the second half, particularly when Albion took one of their strikers off.
As for sitting in the home end? You can imagine. The usual dirty northern bastard shouts at first but they seemed more obsessed with singing about Palace. This gave way to pure frustration and anger as they realised they were chucking away three points against a team they thought they were going to - and needed - to beat. The one constant was the belief that all our players were diving. I think it was El Ghazi or Trezeguet who needed attention early in the first half, the woman and her husband behind claimed it was typical Aston Villa behaviour and that the referee should be handed out oscars. Heaven forbid any of our players being knocked to the ground - and Grealish in particular was getting a lot of verbals. They got frustrated when Connolly went off as they thought Potter was going too defensive against a side there for the taking and this manifested itself in Nakamba getting some real real venomous abuse as he was trudging a long in front of us trying to figure out if he was being substituted which did seem to take a while.
The handbags after the match was funny too as you'd have thought our players had murdered relatives of the Brighton support they way they started giving it large.
Anyway an enjoyable day in the end in which i can live down here knowing once again Brighton havent beaten managed to beat us. As for our survival hopes it counts for nothing if we dont win the next two.
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I suppose one way to look at it is it’s 7 points from the last four games including one against Citeh.
Edit from five games. Okay it’s not great.
21 points from the last 15 would keep us up pretty comfortably so it's a ratio to aim for.
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The Hourihane foul was excellent, proper tactical foul, stopped them getting into a dangerous position, just take the yellow and regroup. We dont do this nearly enough. Dunk did the exact same thing first half to stop El Ghazi breaking.
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There was a real flare up after a tactical foul by Hourihane in the final minute. I don't usually condone this sort of behaviour , tactical fouls, I'm a football skills artist but it was needed and something necessary at the end to stop the break away.
Have to say well done after seeing players fly by at times this season Hourihane did stop play.
Post of the decade!
Hahaha - so true
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I suppose one way to look at it is it’s 7 points from the last four games including one against Citeh.
Edit from five games. Okay it’s not great.
21 points from the last 15 would keep us up pretty comfortably so it's a ratio to aim for.
That's going to take a significant improvement from the less than 1 point per game were currently averaging.
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How Brighton can moan when Mooy throws himself to the deck continually I have no idea. Maupy is the type of white shirt ****** on Broad Street, screaming hold me back, while kicking off with bouncers. WKD wanker.
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Maupay is a niggly little shit shouldn't have been on the pitch at the end.
Nowt new there he’s always been a twat.
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How Brighton can moan when Mooy throws himself to the deck continually I have no idea. Maupy is the type of white shirt c*** on Broad Street, screaming hold me back, while kicking off with bouncers. WKD wanker.
It was literally five mins in, one of our players was down getting treatment and the two behind me - and they were an older couple - were saying it was typical Aston Villa.
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I suppose one way to look at it is it’s 7 points from the last four games including one against Citeh.
Edit from five games. Okay it’s not great.
21 points from the last 15 would keep us up pretty comfortably so it's a ratio to aim for.
That's going to take a significant improvement from the less than 1 point per game were currently averaging.
But we have taken 4 from last 3 so it’s coming.
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Maupay has been crap in both games against us this season, I dunno what the fuck he was doing today, he was on a personal mission to get into a petty argument with every player on the pitch.
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But we have taken 4 from last 3 so it’s coming.
Fair point. We absolutely must keep it going.
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Any blame attached to Reina for the goal? My stream wasnt great but I didnt think he shouldve been beaten from that angle.
Superb save 2nd half to keep us in it though.
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Any blame attached to Reina for the goal? My stream wasnt great but I didnt think he shouldve been beaten from that angle.
Superb save 2nd half to keep us in it though.
In fairness it was a cracking goal. Not much he could do.
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Maupay has been crap in both games against us this season, I dunno what the fuck he was doing today, he was on a personal mission to get into a petty argument with every player on the pitch.
Aside from being a dirty little so-and-so, he's not been that great in general. He has 7 goals. Wesley has been widely derided as a bad signing and has 6. I must be missing something as to why Maupay is so well thought of as a Premier League goalscorer.
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Maupay has been crap in both games against us this season, I dunno what the fuck he was doing today, he was on a personal mission to get into a petty argument with every player on the pitch.
Aside from being a dirty little so-and-so, he's not been that great in general. He has 7 goals. Wesley has been widely derided as a bad signing and has 6. I must be missing something as to why Maupay is so well thought of as a Premier League goalscorer.
I was thinking the same. It would have been useful to have another striker in addition to Wesley, but that doesn't mean we'd be 7 goals better off as a consequence.
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It was always going to be hard to replace Tammy from last season. He was such a good player. He worked very hard and got into great positions. We’ve missed that so much. Also we’ve never had the same quality in front of the defence for this standard. We just need to survive and strengthen again.
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Very decent point in the circumstances. Desperately need Samatta paperwork done for Tuesday and it's a winnable game.
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A proper forward in that set up and we will look alot better, just having Vassilev up there today pressing the Brighton back line made us look better.
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Good point today, other results have done us no harm either so a positive day all round.
Would you bring Chester in for Watford on Tuesday and have him central with Tyrone and Konsa either side?
Drop Drinkwater and bring Luiz back in too.
Really need a focal point up top, can’t see Samatta being sorted by Tuesday though?
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Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11911791/grealish-rescues-point-for-villa)
Agreed also, the highlights don’t show Grealish’s chance just before they scored for some reason.
Never saw the angle behind the goal but surely Reina should be saving that shot?
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There was a real flare up after a tactical foul by Hourihane in the final minute. I don't usually condone this sort of behaviour , tactical fouls, I'm a football skills artist but it was needed and something necessary at the end to stop the break away.
Have to say well done after seeing players fly by at times this season Hourihane did stop play.
It didn’t flare up when Dunk did the same thing in the first half.
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In the exact same area as well.
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Stupid question.... how come we are playing Watford on Tuesday so soon after playing them on 28 Dec?
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I though Drinkwater grew in to the game. With fitness there is a player there.
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I though Drinkwater grew in to the game. With fitness there is a player there.
Agreed.
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I though Drinkwater grew in to the game. With fitness there is a player there.
Agreed.
Yep, give him a chance
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Thoughts on today.
VERY happy with a point given the circumstances.
The first half performance was as bad as i can remember.
Drinkwater was dreadful, slow, sloppy and completely off the pace.
I think bringing the young lad Vassilev on added some spark/life to our performance, as did Luiz.
Jack's goal (and Luiz's pass) were quality.
Maupay is a little shitbag.
Other than that the same problems and lack of quality were VERY apparent. But for today let's be happy we got something.
Agree on Vassilev - made decent runs, made their defence do something.
Vassilev made a great run which created the space for Luiz to pass into for Jack's goal. Very clever.
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Highlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11911791/grealish-rescues-point-for-villa)
What a shot, unleashed to the far corner when he’s running in the opposite direction!
Thanks for posting, Legion.
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Just seen the aftermatch handbags, what the actual fuck is that bellend doing
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I was worried Drinkwater might get sent off. I think it was Freddie who gave it away and Drinkwater lost his head and gave a challenge Hutton would have bee proud of.
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Just seen the aftermatch handbags, what the actual fuck is that bellend doing
Link or explanation, please.
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Just seen the aftermatch handbags, what the actual fuck is that bellend doing
Link or explanation, please.
Think he means Maupy. He just loses the plot and acts like the snidey little throbber he is.
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Just seen the aftermatch handbags, what the actual fuck is that bellend doing
Link or explanation, please.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1218579087096270848?s=09
Just Maupay coming across as a div
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Just seen the aftermatch handbags, what the actual fuck is that bellend doing
Link or explanation, please.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1218579087096270848?s=09
Just Maupay coming across as a div
He owes whichever of the Brighton players it was who dragged him off the pitch a pint (Dunk?). He'd completely lost it.
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Thank you.
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Stupid question.... how come we are playing Watford on Tuesday so soon after playing them on 28 Dec?
At least one game in return matches is always within week or two of first game. I think last season it was Norwich. An idiosyncrasy of fixture computer. This has been the case as long as I can remember.
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Its a point, that's it, Jack is a top four player in a very second rate lower Premier league squad, just goes to show what would happen if somebody pulled there socks up, got out there and got in a couple of players even only close to Jack's standard we would be safe, we need a win from either Watford and/or Bournemouth, its now crucial.
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Konsa looks extremely wound up by something Maupay did/said. So much so that the Brighton (coach?) guy was holding him back long before he got to Maupay. Perhaps things will come to light if serious, but knowing footballers it’s probably trivial.
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Konsa looks extremely wound up by something Maupay did/said. So much so that the Brighton (coach?) guy was holding him back long before he got to Maupay. Perhaps things will come to light if serious, but knowing footballers it’s probably trivial.
He called him Corsa.
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Stupid question.... how come we are playing Watford on Tuesday so soon after playing them on 28 Dec?
At least one game in return matches is always within week or two of first game. I think last season it was Norwich. An idiosyncrasy of fixture computer. This has been the case as long as I can remember.
Thanks, yes, its arranged at the start of the season, and not re-arranged just to put the boot in :)
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Konsa looks extremely wound up by something Maupay did/said. So much so that the Brighton (coach?) guy was holding him back long before he got to Maupay. Perhaps things will come to light if serious, but knowing footballers it’s probably trivial.
He called him Corsa.
Or Eric.
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Konsa looks extremely wound up by something Maupay did/said. So much so that the Brighton (coach?) guy was holding him back long before he got to Maupay. Perhaps things will come to light if serious, but knowing footballers it’s probably trivial.
He called him Corsa.
He's probably just had his electric bill in.
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Just seen the Brighton goal from the view of the Villa fans behind the goal. I think the keeper might have done better.
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Just seen the Brighton goal from the view of the Villa fans behind the goal. I think the keeper might have done better.
I was by the corner flag so didn't get the best view of the trajectory but I thought the same at the time.
Grealish got us out of jaiil, as although we did improve in the last 20 mins, I couldn't see anyone scoring. Luiz contributed much more than Drinkwater when he came on, although the impact was all relative.
We deserved a draw in the end , but only on the basis that Brighton were no better than us and both teams weree generally poor.
I still doubt we have enough quality in the management and the players to stay up.
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Just seen the Brighton goal from the view of the Villa fans behind the goal. I think the keeper might have done better.
I was by the corner flag so didn't get the best view of the trajectory but I thought the same at the time.
Grealish got us out of jaiil, as although we did improve in the last 20 mins, I couldn't see anyone scoring. Luiz contributed much more than Drinkwater when he came on, although the impact was all relative.
We deserved a draw in the end , but only on the basis that Brighton were no better than us and both teams weree generally poor.
I still doubt we have enough quality in the management and the players to stay up.
I thought Reina should've done better when I first saw it, but then I guess we often hear pundits saying keepers should never concede at their near post - and there was no chance of that - so I guess it goes down as a nice finish.
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There was a real flare up after a tactical foul by Hourihane in the final minute. I don't usually condone this sort of behaviour , tactical fouls, I'm a football skills artist but it was needed and something necessary at the end to stop the break away.
Have to say well done after seeing players fly by at times this season Hourihane did stop play.
Fuck off with ‘tactical foul’
Another Skyism that is a load of fucking bollocks.
Cynical or at best professional foul is what it was always called, and should be.
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I’m not sure it’s worth getting that upset about.
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Would’ve taken a point beforehand especially under the circumstances (ie no strikers). I’m a major critic of Smith but he got a performance 2nd half so credit for that.
Apart for those spawney Barcodes (again) it’s pretty much as you were. Next 3 games v winnable if we can get a striker in. Can you believe we’re typing that!
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Pleased with the point in the end. We now need to beat watford and bournemouth and we definitely need to be starting a newly signed striker on Tuesday. Luiz proved he's a good impact sub. Nice finish by Jack!
The Maupay, Konsa incident was interesting bearing in mind they were ex team mates. With Smith knowing Maupay well I wonder if he was deliberately avoided last summer because he's a disruptive influence in the changing room. Certainly with his history where McGinn was concerned a couple of years ago, he's a nasty
f-cker and maybe it was thought he wouldn't go down too well in the Villa changing room. It looked to me that their player who dragged him away has done that a few times perhaps within the Brighton changing room!
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I watched the game at 9pm on the telly in the end (thanks to those who suggested appropriate 'sports news' websites earlier in the day ;-)
Most of the game we couldn't keep the ball for more than 10 seconds. How much do these fuckers get paid again? Their goal was a typical Villa lose possession and the others breeze through us creating mild panic then pop the ball in the back of the net while half our defence are waddling around with four-foot shoes, water-squirting flowers and silly hats on.
In the second half I saw the team putting some effort in, and this of course paid off thanks to Jack's talent and willpower. I thought Drinkwater had a better game (I know, not very difficult after the last one). I was shitting myself right until the final whistle but it was a relief to get a point; I think we can be happy with that.
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I don't think Reina could've done much, he was doing the right thing and forcing the shot across him, the guy put it into pretty much the only spot he could've to score, just a good finish for me. I also don't think there was much wrong with the defending, a lucky bounce of Hause meant he was out of the game and stopped us being able to close him down without leaving gaps and then he timed the pass (intentionally or by luck) so Guilbert couldn't quite cut it out. Was just a good goal on the counter attack for me.
If you criticise Reina then you have to do the same for their keeper for our goal which beat him at the near post. Personally I think that's silly because again it was just a well placed shot that the keeper had no chance of getting to, if either of them are saved you'd have had repeats of it for years as a bit of top class keeping.
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An absolute must not lose on Tuesday, and considering we've played a disproportionate amount of games against the teams we generally pick up points from, it's a must win. I thought 7 was needed from these 3. I fear this is going to be the most difficult of the three though.
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That save at the end though was class!
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Was pleased with Reina, who brings a lot more presence to the six yard area, even though it feels a little harsh to drop Nyland.
Drinkwater had a better game (probably not too difficult considering), but thought his passing was still poor.
Hause seems well off the pace at times, and keeps playing himself into difficulty.
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That save at the end though was class!
I was right in front of it. Fantastic reactions.
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I mean it was a decent stop but I would expect most keepers to save it. I was expecting high-end reflexes the way people were describing it.
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Much improved 2nd half. It's amazing what more work rate and determination can bring to a team. We were more aggressive and positive in and out of possession. Gives me a little hope that we can stay up.
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I thought Brighton were very poor yesterday.
If (and it's obviously a big if) we can get our noses ahead of Brighton and Burnley over the course of the next 2 games, I don't think we'll look back. Desperately need a couple of good signings to pick the place up and give us momentum.
Tuesday is massive for me - Whenever we are out of the bottom 3, the pressure seems to go from our players and we look an entirely different side.
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Real Jekyl and Hyde performance yesterday I thought, vastly improved in the second half and after Jack's goal I felt there'd only be one winner. As has been said, first half appalling. We looked better for having Douglas on the pitch, I like that he always wants the ball, contrast with Nakamba who seems to be hiding at the moment.
Vassilev made a big difference, just having a proper outlet upfront instantly made us look sharper, if we can't get Samatta in for Tuesday I'd be tempted to give him the nod.
This year the relegation battle will go to the wire, with Norwich winning yesterday as well, all three places are still pretty open. I can see our final game against West Ham being a potential decider. This makes every point so valuable, would take a draw against Watford.
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Much improved 2nd half. It's amazing what more work rate and determination can bring to a team. We were more aggressive and positive in and out of possession. Gives me a little hope that we can stay up.
Fully agree--work rate detetmination a little bit of blood sweat and pride is whats needed to get out of the bottom 3.
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and what's the point of a pack of pyro dogs that cannot sniff out pyro?
They were sniffing for drugs I was told - shortly after one of them started jumping up and sniffing me and I was taken aside to a special area for a thorough searching by 2 security blokes. Nothing found, of course, but not the sort of thing you expect to happen to you in front of your 13 year old son. They weren't coppers, I asked if they were authorised to be so thorough ( they were leafing through my wallet, opening up receipts etc) but the angrier I got, the more they seemed to enjoy doing it.
Anyway, I said before the game that I'd take a point
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I thought they were "drugs dogs" as well. It would be a pretty stupid waste of funding to go to the extremes of training and implementing dogs on matchdays just to sniff out a glorified smoke bomb.
Personally, I think the drug dogs are a little bit OTT as well. People can arrive after a 3 or 4 hour boozing session but a bit of personal weed/coke whatever is strictly forbidden. Yes, I accept drugs are illegal but in the grand scheme of things, why pick on travelling away fans to conduct these searches? How many people are caught by these dogs? It just doesn't weigh up to me. Yesterday, we had to go past 2 different sets of dogs to get to the turnstiles - That's at least 4 dogs (and handlers) that I saw. How much did this cost? What is their ultimate aim?
I suppose that if you get stopped by a dog, it would be pointless doing anything but a thorough search which would include a wallet where powder could be kept.
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I thought they were "drugs dogs" as well. It would be a pretty stupid waste of funding to go to the extremes of training and implementing dogs on matchdays just to sniff out a glorified smoke bomb.
Personally, I think the drug dogs are a little bit OTT as well. People can arrive after a 3 or 4 hour boozing session but a bit of personal weed/coke whatever is strictly forbidden. Yes, I accept drugs are illegal but in the grand scheme of things, why pick on travelling away fans to conduct these searches? How many people are caught by these dogs? It just doesn't weigh up to me. Yesterday, we had to go past 2 different sets of dogs to get to the turnstiles - That's at least 4 dogs (and handlers) that I saw. How much did this cost? What is their ultimate aim?
I suppose that if you get stopped by a dog, it would be pointless doing anything but a thorough search which would include a wallet where powder could be kept.
Don't you realise that all football fans are classified as scum (especially away fans)!
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How many did we take down there? The away end looked nuts when Jack scored.
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I thought the young lad coming on improved our structure, he ran hard and was good nuisance value one to ne persevered with.
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I mean it was a decent stop but I would expect most keepers to save it. I was expecting high-end reflexes the way people were describing it.
I think what it does show is concentration to the end of the game. That's what top level experience brings you.
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Was my first live game in a couple of months, thought both teams were pretty average, we improved in the 2nd half especially after the changes, Vassilev was full of running and make their centre backs make a couple of mistakes. We are just carrying too many players playing poorly at the minute, Hause, Nakamba and Targett just don't look up to scratch yet, because of the lack of depth in the squad though they get picked. Trez for all his running lacks any end result, but I think he'll improve, just like Konsa who I think has a big future.
Hope the new signing can hit the ground running, we can then play Jack deeper and control the ball more.
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I though Drinkwater grew in to the game. With fitness there is a player there.
Agreed.
Me too. Surprised at people who thought he was poor. I think he showed intelligence in not getting a second card after a frankly ludicrous challenge for his yellow.
Having said that Luiz did well when he came on. One of our problems this season is that players have come on and made a good cameo off the bench and then been anonymous when starting the next game.
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I thought they were "drugs dogs" as well. It would be a pretty stupid waste of funding to go to the extremes of training and implementing dogs on matchdays just to sniff out a glorified smoke bomb.
Personally, I think the drug dogs are a little bit OTT as well. People can arrive after a 3 or 4 hour boozing session but a bit of personal weed/coke whatever is strictly forbidden. Yes, I accept drugs are illegal but in the grand scheme of things, why pick on travelling away fans to conduct these searches? How many people are caught by these dogs? It just doesn't weigh up to me. Yesterday, we had to go past 2 different sets of dogs to get to the turnstiles - That's at least 4 dogs (and handlers) that I saw. How much did this cost? What is their ultimate aim?
I suppose that if you get stopped by a dog, it would be pointless doing anything but a thorough search which would include a wallet where powder could be kept.
I was with Chico and a few of the London Lions and it seemed like a strange use of police resources to me. A Villa mate from Brighton joined us so I will ask him if this is normal.
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I thought they were "drugs dogs" as well. It would be a pretty stupid waste of funding to go to the extremes of training and implementing dogs on matchdays just to sniff out a glorified smoke bomb.
Personally, I think the drug dogs are a little bit OTT as well. People can arrive after a 3 or 4 hour boozing session but a bit of personal weed/coke whatever is strictly forbidden. Yes, I accept drugs are illegal but in the grand scheme of things, why pick on travelling away fans to conduct these searches? How many people are caught by these dogs? It just doesn't weigh up to me. Yesterday, we had to go past 2 different sets of dogs to get to the turnstiles - That's at least 4 dogs (and handlers) that I saw. How much did this cost? What is their ultimate aim?
I suppose that if you get stopped by a dog, it would be pointless doing anything but a thorough search which would include a wallet where powder could be kept.
I was with Chico and a few of the London Lions and it seemed like a strange use of police resources to me. A Villa mate from Brighton joined us so I will ask him if this is normal.
It is they had them their for the League Cup game.
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and what's the point of a pack of pyro dogs that cannot sniff out pyro?
They were sniffing for drugs I was told - shortly after one of them started jumping up and sniffing me and I was taken aside to a special area for a thorough searching by 2 security blokes. Nothing found, of course, but not the sort of thing you expect to happen to you in front of your 13 year old son. They weren't coppers, I asked if they were authorised to be so thorough ( they were leafing through my wallet, opening up receipts etc) but the angrier I got, the more they seemed to enjoy doing it.
Anyway, I said before the game that I'd take a point
That's definiitely worth making a complaint about.
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We've seen these dogs at a few games recently - Boro & Leeds spring to mind and possibly Millwall. I might be in a minority but I don't get it.
In fact, at Boro, we stopped off at a sevice station just outside where all coaches were told to meet at a pre-arranged time to be escorted in together. A police woman boarded and explained what was going on. She also stated that there were sniffer dogs at the turnstiles so if anybody "finds" any illegal substances on the floor now, they can hand them over and no action will be taken. However she went on to state that if anyone was caught at the turnstiles with drugs, they would be arrested. I thought that was fair enough.
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and what's the point of a pack of pyro dogs that cannot sniff out pyro?
They were sniffing for drugs I was told - shortly after one of them started jumping up and sniffing me and I was taken aside to a special area for a thorough searching by 2 security blokes. Nothing found, of course, but not the sort of thing you expect to happen to you in front of your 13 year old son. They weren't coppers, I asked if they were authorised to be so thorough ( they were leafing through my wallet, opening up receipts etc) but the angrier I got, the more they seemed to enjoy doing it.
Anyway, I said before the game that I'd take a point
They pulled over a couple of blokes for this.
I assumed the dogs were for pyro as I commented to the steward that the level of security was overboard, butbthat was apparently because we had a load of pyro on the past two occasions. They had a better memory than me.
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An absolute must not lose on Tuesday, and considering we've played a disproportionate amount of games against the teams we generally pick up points from, it's a must win. I thought 7 was needed from these 3. I fear this is going to be the most difficult of the three though.
Probably for another thread but I agree with this, I think Watford will be the most difficult of the three, despite being at home. We owe them one though after Xmas and also, despite only being in November, I remember Deeney scoring at the holte in 2015 to put them 3-1 up, that was the moment I thought we were down that season.
Tough game given their current form, a win would be huge but every single has to be up for the scrap as they will be.
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I’d say a point isn’t a bad result.
They are currently one of the form sides although I’m not sure that it will last.
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I’d say a point isn’t a bad result.
They are currently one of the form sides although I’m not sure that it will last.
I assume you're referring to Watford here and not Brighton?
A point won't be the end of the world but we have to start digging wins out from somewhere. Games at Villa Park are the obvious ones and we only have 7 or 8 left. For me, Watford at home is a game we should target all 3 points.
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I was always under the impression that drug dogs were trained to sit down if drugs are detected. Not jump at the person.
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Watching our goal back again, special mention to the run that Vassilev makes. Brighton's central defender takes a couple of strides towards him, and that opens up just enough room for Luiz's pass to reach Grealish.
That's the difference having a striker on the pitch makes.
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I've seen on social media that there were some Bruges fans in the home end and some Villa fans were giving them stick and then realised they were there supporting us as they were singing about Wes, anyone there see this?
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I was always under the impression that drug dogs were trained to sit down if drugs are detected. Not jump at the person.
Correct. I got done at a festival in c.2004 and the dog sat down by me and wagged his tail! I saw the same thing happen at VP about 2 or 3 games ago. The dog was on Witton Lane by the away turnstiles but stopped and sat down next to 2 Villa fans who were just strolling past and hadn’t noticed the dog until then.
The number of dogs yesterday seemed a bit OTT though.
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I think it just depends on the dog and handler, they can indicate a "find" in whatever way they are trained too. These are called passive search dogs, trained to work as the "target" walks past. There are also active search dogs, that would be sent into a cell, say, to actively search the cell. They can be trained for all sorts of things drugs, explosives, fire starting chemicals (to detect arson), in the prisons they are trained on mobile phones, SIM cards etc. They are clever as hell.
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Tell that to Gerry McCann.
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and what's the point of a pack of pyro dogs that cannot sniff out pyro?
They were sniffing for drugs I was told - shortly after one of them started jumping up and sniffing me and I was taken aside to a special area for a thorough searching by 2 security blokes. Nothing found, of course, but not the sort of thing you expect to happen to you in front of your 13 year old son. They weren't coppers, I asked if they were authorised to be so thorough ( they were leafing through my wallet, opening up receipts etc) but the angrier I got, the more they seemed to enjoy doing it.
Anyway, I said before the game that I'd take a point
Good job they never searched your lad.
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I've seen on social media that there were some Bruges fans in the home end and some Villa fans were giving them stick and then realised they were there supporting us as they were singing about Wes, anyone there see this?
After the game I noticed some comments directed at the seats to the front of the stand on the right of the away end. Their flag was upside down and I couldn’t read it but apparently they were Bruges fans. There seemed to be 6-10 of them. I thought they were taunting us but didn’t really pay much attention and then somebody mentioned Wesley.
Until your post I had completely forgotten it.
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Nakamba and Engels are both ex Bruges players too.
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Given how much stick our ex-Bruges players have had on here, they probably were taunting!
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Good day out we were poor first half and better second in a nutshell thank god for Super Jack.