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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on January 16, 2020, 06:23:11 PM
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As it seems a goer, he now has his own thread.
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Anyone know what type of forward he is?
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Anyone know what type of forward he is?
Not sure as I have seen so few examples in a Villa shirt recently.
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Anyone know what type of forward he is?
Injured knowing our luck
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Don't think we've ever had a Tanzanian before
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Who?
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Nothing? What’samatta with you?
*Grabs coat* Sorry.
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Has a good scoring ratio.
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Is it right that he can't play on Saturday because his work permit won't be done by then?
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Leaves villa in 2021 because he doesn’t work hard enough and has been bombed out the squad.
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Reminds me a bit in his movement and quickness of Sane. Can score with both feet and his head. At least right now he can...
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Leaves villa in 2021 because he doesn’t work hard enough and has been bombed out the squad.
We will have been liquidated by then anyway. Fortunately for us, nuclear war will have broken out and we'll all be dead.
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Leaves villa in 2021 because he doesn’t work hard enough and has been bombed out the squad.
We will have been liquidated by then anyway. Fortunately for us, nuclear war will have broken out and we'll all be dead.
Nah, the end of the world will come when we're 4-0 up in the 89th minute of the FA Cup final.
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Any way ……… according to the BBC "Mbwana Samatta has scored 43 league goals in 98 appearances for Genk in Belgium's top flight"
Lets hope he can replicate that type of return for us in the Premier League, or if the unthinkable occurs, in the Championship
Nuclear war permitting, of course :)
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It must be true, he’s got his own thread on here and it was mentioned in the 6.30pm news bulletin on Radio 2.
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Be brilliant, please.
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Yes that’d be nice.
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Looks quick, mobile and decent on the ball. All 3 attributes you want in a striker. Has half a chance, and by the look of him would be very decent of we went down.
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Jump high. Run fast. Don't go out with Drinky to a bar or with JT to a betting shop and you will do us fine.
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Looks quick, mobile and decent on the ball. All 3 attributes you want in a striker. Has half a chance, and by the look of him would be very decent of we went down.
It would be eminently preferable if he kept us up.
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Nothing? What’samatta with you?
*Grabs coat* Sorry.
I really hope you are the last person to say that.
It's probably the first thing that comes to mind.
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Couldn't finish his dinner based on most of that highlights reel.
He'll fit right in.
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Dave can you change the title of this thread to “ what’s Samatta you, hey “ to save on the puns. 👍
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Nothing? What’samatta with you?
*Grabs coat* Sorry.
I really hope you are the last person to say that.
It's probably the first thing that comes to mind.
Of course I won’t be.
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He is going to be one hell of a handfull with Jack behind him.
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A Villa centre forward who can head the ball. Whey Hey!
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He seems to play on the shoulder and occupy defenders with mobility rather than brute strength.
If he can score us 5 goals, he will have done well.
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On his debut.
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Couldn't finish his dinner based on most of that highlights reel.
He'll fit right in.
That’s my take away! Can’t recall another YouTube reel where about 10% of the chances are converted!
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/75/f4/6975f4b0e1bf4f731626f406211e1264.jpg)
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
I can't believe I've never heard of this before. Read that after Tommy Doc got fired, their Villa careers were pretty much done.
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Saw them both on the pitch, but never saw them play!
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another gamble - bit of a sure-thing would have been ideal. But, hey-ho.
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They played in the 69/70 season
Mwila played 1 game, Blackpool (H) 0-0
Kapengwe played 3, Carlisle (H) 1-0, the Blackpool game, and Millwall (A) lost 2-0.
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/75/f4/6975f4b0e1bf4f731626f406211e1264.jpg)
Is that Lew Chatterley in the background?
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Cheers for the info and cracking picture.
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Please turn out to be a good 'un.
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another gamble - bit of a sure-thing would have been ideal. But, hey-ho.
Maybe, but even signing that AC Milan bloke for £30m would have been a gamble. He might have struggled.
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This other striker we are getting really does need to have Prem experience, that’s for sure.
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We're getting another one? Faints.
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He seems to play on the shoulder and occupy defenders with mobility rather than brute strength.
If he can score us 5 goals, he will have done well.
Yep, 5 would be very welcome. 8 would be instant hero status.
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/75/f4/6975f4b0e1bf4f731626f406211e1264.jpg)
Jackie Sewell, part of our last FA Cup-winning team, also went on to play ten games for Zambia (scoring seven goals). He had previously won six England caps (three goals).
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/75/f4/6975f4b0e1bf4f731626f406211e1264.jpg)
Is that Lew Chatterley in the background?
Yes good spot
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Has the one on the left wet himself?
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Great picture - is Chatterley walking towards Andy Lochhead ? Or maybe Fred Turnbull?
Or did Lochhead join the following season
I saw Mwila and Kapengwe in their home appearances
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I saw them when I was home on leave. The player behind Lew does not look big enough to be Andy Lochhead. Looks like the build and physique of Charlie Aitken.
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/75/f4/6975f4b0e1bf4f731626f406211e1264.jpg)
Is that Lew Chatterley in the background?
Yes good spot
My first ever Villa kit - and we were relegated. My grandad bought it for me as a Christmas present from Harry Parkes when I was 7. About the only place that sold them back then.
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Or maybe not. His face looks too chubby.
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I know this probably a little sad but I’m just massively excited he can head the ball.
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I know this probably a little sad but I’m just massively excited he can head the ball.
And he’s not Wes.
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I know this probably a little sad but I’m just massively excited he can head the ball.
I hope I'm not damning him with faint praise, because I really like the look of him, but he seems to have something of the Lewis Grabban about him (Grabban at his best, at the level we were at, I should add).
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/75/f4/6975f4b0e1bf4f731626f406211e1264.jpg)
Is that Lew Chatterley in the background?
Yes good spot
My first ever Villa kit - and we were relegated. My grandad bought it for me as a Christmas present from Harry Parkes when I was 7. About the only place that sold them back then.
Harry Parkes shop was magnificent - my parents were friends with Harry as my mother worked for George Edwards - He always gave us a decent discount - I had the yellow away kit from that time ...used to get my boots from there - one of a few places where you could get Adidas at that time
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Me too TV. Sharp intake of breath by me at that clip where he leaps and arches his back so that he can head the ball down. Perfect technique after all the years we have watched the ball come off our strikers heads like a bar of Palmolive off a wet watermelon.
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I saw them when I was home on leave. The player behind Lew does not look big enough to be Andy Lochhead. Looks like the build and physique of Charlie Aitken.
I would go for Aitken as he only has a left leg!
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The other Villa players for that Blacpool game were
Phillips
Wright
Aitken
Hole
Chatterley
Bruce Rioch
Turnbull
Godfrey
Martin
And Rudge came on as a sub.
Lochhead joined a couple of months later.
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/75/f4/6975f4b0e1bf4f731626f406211e1264.jpg)
Is that Lew Chatterley in the background?
Yep!
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No Oscar?
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I wonder if the right leg you can see is Jimmy Armfield's.
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What would VAR have to say about this picture ?
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The other Villa players for that Blacpool game were
Phillips
Wright
Aitken
Hole
Chatterley
Bruce Rioch
Turnbull
Godfrey
Martin
And Rudge came on as a sub.
Lochhead joined a couple of months later.
Thanks for that PWS - good work
The "mystery player" could be any one of a few in that team - whoever it is looks quite broad around the neck
My father and I travelled home and away from our homes in firstly Hall Green and then Worcester during that season - was that the season Dave Rudge broke his leg at Preston ?
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Yes, thank you PWS. Much appreciated.
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Don't think we've ever had a Tanzanian before
As your resident occasional East African correspondent*, I think it’s good to know Tanzania is a compound name of its two states of Tanganyika and Zanzibar.
*missing the Sheffield game but hoping to get to Uganda’s SC Villa Vs Bright Stars the day before, and perhaps our shock League Cuo Final victory in a bar with the Kampala Lions...
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I’ve never heard of him, good luck to the bloke.
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I’ve never heard of him, good luck to the bloke.
Surprising, considering he's posted 910 times on here.
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Theres a thread on Twitter @TheEnamelWorks which had the story of those two Zambian players, with some more good photos.
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another gamble - bit of a sure-thing would have been ideal. But, hey-ho.
Maybe, but even signing that AC Milan bloke for £30m would have been a gamble. He might have struggled.
Agree, as he hasn't reproduced his Genoa form in Milan, lots of intangibles when buying players. e.g. even Harry Kane would be a gamble atm. Two major injuries iin the last 2 years where he's out for half a season aged 25-26. Wouldn't like to be splashing out close to 100m plus wages for 3-4 years on him.
OTOH I can't think another Tanzanian striker I'd rather sign than Mbwana! ;)
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I’ve never heard of him, good luck to the bloke.
Surprising, considering he's posted 910 times on here.
;D ;D
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Anyone with a goal ratio of nearly one goal every two games in a central European league must be half decent at least.
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I know this probably a little sad but I’m just massively excited he can head the ball.
Not at all. I’m just massively excited he can run. He's going to be a handful for defenders and even if not scoring he may open up space for other players.
Good luck to him.
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Are both his legs the same length ?
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Are both his legs the same length ?
Very good.
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Another hopeful punt. Good be great, could be bobbins. Belgium league is pish but doesn't mean he can't step up - least he should be ready at 27.
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Tanzania sounds even better if you pronounce it the same way as you would Tasmania.
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/75/f4/6975f4b0e1bf4f731626f406211e1264.jpg)
Is that Lew Chatterley in the background?
I was there at that game, it was a terrible 0-0 draw in torrential rain.
Mwila and Kapengwe only played a couple of times after that, they were signed by Doc after we played a Summer tournament in the States, and they starred against us for Atlanta Chiefs.
Kapengwe was a bull of a player, Mwila had a good touch but was easily knocked off the ball.
Freddie went on to have a good coaching career in Africa, Emment sadly died in 1988 aged 45 from a stroke.
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Leaves villa in 2021 because he doesn’t work hard enough and has been bombed out the squad.
We will have been liquidated by then anyway. Fortunately for us, nuclear war will have broken out and we'll all be dead.
Nah, the end of the world will come when we're 4-0 up in the 89th minute of the FA Cup final.
We'll all die really fucking deliriously happy then!
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Another gamble - we need someone proven. Id even consider andre gray
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/75/f4/6975f4b0e1bf4f731626f406211e1264.jpg)
Is that Lew Chatterley in the background?
I was there at that game, it was a terrible 0-0 draw in torrential rain.
Mwila and Kapengwe only played a couple of times after that, they were signed by Doc after we played a Summer tournament in the States, and they starred against us for Atlanta Chiefs.
Kapengwe was a bull of a player, Mwila had a good touch but was easily knocked off the ball.
Freddie went on to have a good coaching career in Africa, Emment sadly died in 1988 aged 45 from a stroke.
From a thread last year.
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=59407.0
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Seems a bit of a random one apart from being another from Belgium. The bloke we've got out there must be the only one that submits any scouting reports. Anyway, on the one hand he's again got no experience of the PL or English football which would have been par for the course if he was 5 years younger but he does have some experience and a half decent scoring record but i would have expected if we were going for someone more 'finished article' age it would have been someone from the PL. I suppose if he was on a shortlist of players that they think would be a good signing for us and was the only one available right now then so be it. Good luck to him anyway, it's a gamble but no reason to cast judgement on this one until he's had a good run of games.
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He is Muslim, so shouldn't be tempted to go the pub with Drinkwater.
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He looks mobile, quick feet and scores with both and can head it. Why at 27 he hasn't been snapped up by someone else I don't know but the main attributes are there. At the very least he'll take the pressure off us with an outlet ball to him a la Vardy. I'm not expecting miracles but if he can score 5 important goals he could keep us up. Another in and we have a chance. Can we create him enough chances is the main question.
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Tanzania sounds even better if you pronounce it the same way as you would Tasmania.
Show us yer map of Tanzania doesn't quite work in the same way though.
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*This is a tenuous link to anything else on the thread.
I met some Tanzanian people in the hospital waiting room a couple of months ago when my friend was in intensive care after a heart attack. Really nice folk who cooked a meal while they waited (well warmed up one they'd made earlier). I commented on how nice the smell was and they insisted I have some.
Maharage Beans, which is a national dish. I highly recommend it with some Mchusi Sauce.....
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Lets hope he is a Tanzanian Devil
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His work permit is expected to be granted.
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Name could be shoehorned into Hacuna Matata, chant fans.
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*This is a tenuous link to anything else on the thread.
I met some Tanzanian people in the hospital waiting room a couple of months ago when my friend was in intensive care after a heart attack. Really nice folk who cooked a meal while they waited (well warmed up one they'd made earlier). I commented on how nice the smell was and they insisted I have some.
Maharage Beans, which is a national dish. I highly recommend it with some Mchusi Sauce.....
How about on toast with a light cheese topping, or with sausage and chips...?
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Google translates his name from the Swahili as Mr Samatta.
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*This is a tenuous link to anything else on the thread.
I met some Tanzanian people in the hospital waiting room a couple of months ago when my friend was in intensive care after a heart attack. Really nice folk who cooked a meal while they waited (well warmed up one they'd made earlier). I commented on how nice the smell was and they insisted I have some.
Maharage Beans, which is a national dish. I highly recommend it with some Mchusi Sauce.....
How about on toast with a light cheese topping, or with sausage and chips...?
Normally you'd have it with Pilau rice and chapatti. But I think your idea could work...
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Anything on toast with cheese sprinkled on top is good though.
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Indeed.
Sounds more like an Indian type dish then (love all that). Am i correct in thinking that Tanzania is one of the African countries that had a lot of immigrants from India to work on the railways 100 years or so ago so that's where the cuisine link comes from or am i talking out of my arse / dreamed that...?
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Yep they came over in the 1800s and liked Zanzibar.... Freddie Mercury was born there (Zanzibar) and he was of Indian descent..
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No chance of him having a Belgium passport, Tanzania don't allow dual citizenship.
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Thought it was, and knew Freddie was of Indian descent but didn't realise he was born there. Lets hope this guy is the best thing to come out of Tanzania since Freddie then!
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I must admit I've never heard of him until now hopefully he does the business for us and it the ground running we are desperate for a striker who scores goals.
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He may be a complete flop and we get relegated.
On the plus side we are all a little better informed about season 1969/70 and the merits of African cuisine.
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He may be a complete flop and we get relegated.
On the plus side we are all a little better informed about season 1969/70 and the merits of African cuisine.
Thanks that's put a smile on my face ALITA :)
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He is Muslim, so shouldn't be tempted to go the pub with Drinkwater.
He might go to the pub and drinkwater
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Thought it was, and knew Freddie was of Indian descent but didn't realise he was born there. Lets hope this guy is the best thing to come out of Tanzania since Freddie then!
My son has a friend from Zambia who forwarded the picture to his dad. This is the reply..
Yes , Freddie was with Rhokana United and Emment with Kitwe United. In their last days we recruited Freddie to coach Ndola United while I was working for Ndola City Council. That's how he was my work mate and flatmate at Davis Court . He now lives in Lusaka
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Coming to villa park
https://youtu.be/h2EQgvWfk6Q
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It happens to other teams that they buy a player who hits the ground running and scores goals and becomes a hero instantly
Just for once - let it be us
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It happens to other teams that they buy a player who hits the ground running and scores goals and becomes a hero instantly
Just for once - let it be us
Bruce always seemed to pull some unknown rabbit out of his big fat arse when at Wigan and Hull that would just come in and start performing and keep them up.
You're right, it's about time we got one.
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I like the look of him. If ever a centre forward could jump a stuck front gate he would look like Mbwana.
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Coming to villa park
https://youtu.be/h2EQgvWfk6Q
Might have to wait a while for that.
Though the law of averages should make sure this has to be a useful striker.
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He is Muslim, so shouldn't be tempted to go the pub with Drinkwater.
You clearly haven't met Aftab. ;)
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Doesn’t Mbwana mean Mr/gentleman.
So it’s really Ally Samatta. 🤷♂️
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So has he stretched the shirt yet?
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Is there anyway of fitting Ally Samatta into Alice What's the Matter by Terrorvision?
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Doesn’t Mbwana mean Mr/gentleman.
So it’s really Ally Samatta. 🤷♂️
Google translate says it means Sir - so maybe he has been knighted!
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Coming to villa park
https://youtu.be/h2EQgvWfk6Q
Nice, let's steal it.
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It means “boss”.
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Has he signed?
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Has he signed?
Medical this weekend. Its 100% happening unless he fails his medical or cant get a permit (if he even needs one)
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He's staying in downtown Digbeth tonight, he might look a mean fuxker but he's far from home so keep an eye on him.
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Most clubs seem to present their players a couple of hours after medical , not us.
Wonder if delay due to jimmy danger one being held up, a problem with his own medical or will we wait for work permit before Announcement ? He won’t be available tues either at this rate ?
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Most clubs seem to present their players a couple of hours after medical , not us.
Wonder if delay due to jimmy danger one being held up, a problem with his own medical or will we wait for work permit before Announcement ? He won’t be available tues either at this rate ?
Or maybe he hasn't had his medical yet.
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Got to love H&V. Puns get banned so an old photo gets dug up so we can talk about that, African railways and random foods. Top work.
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Welcome aboard Samatta. A lot of people are moaning and saying his pedigree isn't great and his YouTube doesn't look brilliant... He looks like a terrier to me, someone who will chase defenders down and give them a physical battle, precisely what we've lacked.
If the ball goes forward and he's pressing defenders, it may allow Jack more space and get us up the pitch. Over the course of 90 minutes that'll make a huge difference.
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Micah Richards was on 5 Live before Sheffield United away. He was talking about that sliding doors game and how Vardy never stops. He is constantly on your shoulder running you here, there and everywhere and how mentally, as much as physically, that makes him hard to cope with. We had obviously had a lesson in the pointy faced git a week or two before.
That's what we're crying out for. Pace and persistent application to run in behind and turn that defence. He needs to be able to score as well, but that style of striker is what we've needed all season.
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Excellent signing of Scaramanga the 3rd nipple of our front 3 going big up top.
Ive read this over and over, I have no idea if its a good, bad or seedy thing.
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I'm still reeling from the concept of Trezeguet being our equivalent of Salah.
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As well as the comparison to Mane.
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I get Salah and Mane. They are football players, right, but where do nipples come into the metaphor? Perhaps it is a reference to Staevie. Tits on a Bull.
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Some bloke on AVFCForLife tweeted a pic of him and Samatta at Plough in Shenstone. Said he asked him if he’s signed and he said he’s waiting for his visa soon EU passport by the sound of it
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Some bloke on AVFCForLife tweeted a pic of him and Samatta at Plough in Shenstone. Said he asked him if he’s signed and he said he’s waiting for his visa soon EU passport by the sound of it
Sorry FB not Twitter
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Please stay fit and score a few early goals.
Not sure where to post this, but as we've signed an African ill try here. One for the older heads, but I read on twitter today that in the late 60s under Tommy Doc, we signed two Zambians who only played a few times between them. I'd never heard of this before, any one have any recollections ?
Freddie Mwila and Emment Kapengwe.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/75/f4/6975f4b0e1bf4f731626f406211e1264.jpg)
Is that Lew Chatterley in the background?
Yes good spot
My first ever Villa kit - and we were relegated. My grandad bought it for me as a Christmas present from Harry Parkes when I was 7. About the only place that sold them back then.
Mine too loved that kit and cos it was my first it’s also my favourite. Vaguely remember the two players in a friendly 1970 I think ???
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Samatta used to play for a team called Simba.
Does that mean he will be our 'Lion King'?
You have to allow me that one because I arrived too late for the Joe Dolce punfest.
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I'm still reeling from the concept of Trezeguet being our equivalent of Salah.
He's Egyptian, what more do you want?
Like how Wesley is our version of Pele.
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I'm still reeling from the concept of Trezeguet being our equivalent of Salah.
He's Egyptian, what more do you want?
Like how Wesley is our version of Pele.
Ah, so that makes El Ghazi our Cruyff. With you now. Sorry everyone!
You'd think that we'd try Gareth Bale further up the pitch. He's wasted at left back.
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Can't believe we are wasting Raul in goal, either.
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Lots of people replying to the club's tweets in Swahili. I think Tanzania is excited about this transfer.
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Is there any chance he’s eligible for Tuesday?
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Smith isn’t sure he will be available for Tuesday.
Suso/Purslow don’t come out of this lack of striker episode very well at all.
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Smith isn’t sure he will be available for Tuesday.
Suso/Purslow don’t come out of this lack of striker episode very well at all.
Agree, they fucked up in August with striker recruitment. I felt uneasy at the time with the lack of choice in attack. If we and several pundits could forsee it, why couldn't they?
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Perhaps they are not on speaking terms.
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Smith isn’t sure he will be available for Tuesday.
Suso/Purslow don’t come out of this lack of striker episode very well at all.
Does Smith know his arse from his elbow?? Communication within the club seems poor at the minute .....why on earth wasn't a work permit sorted at the start of the window?
Purslow appears to have gone shy all of a sudden leaving Smith as his stool pigeon
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Perhaps they are not on speaking terms.
Perhaps Smith is the worst manager since Houllier.
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As the work permit is in the hands of civil servants, I’m confident he will be good to go on Tuesday.
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Perhaps they are not on speaking terms.
Perhaps Smith is the worst manager since Houllier.
I’m pretty sure you are the biggest shit stirrer in that period.
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The Smith out thread is open again? 😂
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Be nice. Please.
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Smith isn’t sure he will be available for Tuesday.
Suso/Purslow don’t come out of this lack of striker episode very well at all.
Does Smith know his arse from his elbow?? Communication within the club seems poor at the minute .....why on earth wasn't a work permit sorted at the start of the window?
Purslow appears to have gone shy all of a sudden leaving Smith as his stool pigeon
Smith sorts the work permits out?! No wonder the team looks so out of joint. Between recruitment, admin and the stitching on the badge I doubt he gets more than half an hour a week with them.
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Smith isn’t sure he will be available for Tuesday.
Suso/Purslow don’t come out of this lack of striker episode very well at all.
Does Smith know his arse from his elbow?? Communication within the club seems poor at the minute .....why on earth wasn't a work permit sorted at the start of the window?
Purslow appears to have gone shy all of a sudden leaving Smith as his stool pigeon
come on!
These things are (i) not predictable and (ii) nothing to do with Smith.
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Be nice. Please.
No problem. A bit of a pattern here though?
clampy is a shit stirrer.
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It was not specifically aimed at you at all. Just a follow-up to the nonsense being put on the temporarily locked Smith Out thread before this one goes the same way.
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Smith isn’t sure he will be available for Tuesday.
Suso/Purslow don’t come out of this lack of striker episode very well at all.
Does Smith know his arse from his elbow?? Communication within the club seems poor at the minute .....why on earth wasn't a work permit sorted at the start of the window?
Purslow appears to have gone shy all of a sudden leaving Smith as his stool pigeon
Smith sorts the work permits out?! No wonder the team looks so out of joint. Between recruitment, admin and the stitching on the badge I doubt he gets more than half an hour a week with them.
Where have I suggested Smith is responsible for work permits? I am Sure he is more than busy enough setting traps and picking up the cones and bibs ;)
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How things have changed, DS now being mocked for mentioning modern coaching methods that he was praised to the rafters for understanding only 12 months ago.
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How things have changed, DS now being mocked for mentioning modern coaching methods that he was praised to the rafters for understanding only 12 months ago.
I don’t think he’s being mocked for mentioning modern methods. I think the suggestion is that the traps seem not to be working too well.
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How things have changed, DS now being mocked for mentioning modern coaching methods that he was praised to the rafters for understanding only 12 months ago.
I don’t think he’s being mocked for mentioning modern methods. I think the suggestion is that the traps seem not to be working too well.
I think he was being mocked.
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Smith isn’t sure he will be available for Tuesday.
Suso/Purslow don’t come out of this lack of striker episode very well at all.
Does Smith know his arse from his elbow?? Communication within the club seems poor at the minute .....why on earth wasn't a work permit sorted at the start of the window?
Purslow appears to have gone shy all of a sudden leaving Smith as his stool pigeon
Smith sorts the work permits out?! No wonder the team looks so out of joint. Between recruitment, admin and the stitching on the badge I doubt he gets more than half an hour a week with them.
Where have I suggested Smith is responsible for work permits? I am Sure he is more than busy enough setting traps and picking up the cones and bibs ;)
Smith isn’t sure he will be available for Tuesday.
Suso/Purslow don’t come out of this lack of striker episode very well at all.
Does Smith know his arse from his elbow?? Communication within the club seems poor at the minute .....why on earth wasn't a work permit sorted at the start of the window?
Purslow appears to have gone shy all of a sudden leaving Smith as his stool pigeon
Smith sorts the work permits out?! No wonder the team looks so out of joint. Between recruitment, admin and the stitching on the badge I doubt he gets more than half an hour a week with them.
Where have I suggested Smith is responsible for work permits?
Does Smith know his arse from his elbow?? Communication within the club seems poor at the minute .....why on earth wasn't a work permit sorted at the start of the window?
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Why would you be sorting a work permit for a player two weeks before you're even being linked with him?
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It's an absolute disgrace we didn't sort this work permit years ago. Smith out. Suso out. Owners out. All out.
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Why would you be sorting a work permit for a player two weeks before you're even being linked with him?
I think it's called forward planning ......unless Suso or Smith have only just pulled Samattas` name out of a hat this last two weeks
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Why would you be sorting a work permit for a player two weeks before you're even being linked with him?
I think it's called forward planning ......unless Suso or Smith have only just pulled Samattas` name out of a hat this last two weeks
Or unless you can't apply for a work permit for a player, or any other employee, until you've made a firm job offer? Which happened, I understand, on Friday.
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Can you get a work permit application in for a player you are thinking of maybe signing?
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Maybe he wasn't our first choice, or second. Maybe his club were messing us around. Maybe he was. There's a number of things that could have led to us only signing him now.
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Maybe he wasn't our first choice, or second. Maybe his club were messing us around. Maybe he was. There's a number of things that could have led to us only signing him now.
Fair comment PWS .... I accept that the January Transfer window Is notoriously a difficult time to bring in the calibre of players wanted but we have known since August/September That we were light in the strikers department and I would of thought that Suso would have been earning his salary in identifying targets ready for the opening of the window ....all very frustrating for the club and fans
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I suspect if "we" get him a work permit, then suddenly he could sign for anyone , precedent having been set?
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January is a miserable time to get players. I don’t have an issue with how this has been handled as I’m sure no club wants to sell their best players. And this lad appears to be one of their best players.
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Maybe he wasn't our first choice, or second. Maybe his club were messing us around. Maybe he was. There's a number of things that could have led to us only signing him now.
Fair comment PWS .... I accept that the January Transfer window Is notoriously a difficult time to bring in the calibre of players wanted but we have known since August/September That we were light in the strikers department and I would of thought that Suso would have been earning his salary in identifying targets ready for the opening of the window ....all very frustrating for the club and fans
Until the 1st of January we had a striker who, whilst not playing as well as we might have hoped, was doing ok which meant a backup/competition for him was important but not desperate.
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Maybe he wasn't our first choice, or second. Maybe his club were messing us around. Maybe he was. There's a number of things that could have led to us only signing him now.
Fair comment PWS .... I accept that the January Transfer window Is notoriously a difficult time to bring in the calibre of players wanted but we have known since August/September That we were light in the strikers department and I would of thought that Suso would have been earning his salary in identifying targets ready for the opening of the window ....all very frustrating for the club and fans
Until the 1st of January we had a striker who, whilst not playing as well as we might have hoped, was doing ok which meant a backup/competition for him was important but not desperate.
Was important but not desperate, really? I think what with Kodjia not been fancied all season and Davis’ innocuous injury keeping him out for the last how many months the lack of an alternative has been to the detriment of Wesley and the team as a whole.
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Maybe he wasn't our first choice, or second. Maybe his club were messing us around. Maybe he was. There's a number of things that could have led to us only signing him now.
Fair comment PWS .... I accept that the January Transfer window Is notoriously a difficult time to bring in the calibre of players wanted but we have known since August/September That we were light in the strikers department and I would of thought that Suso would have been earning his salary in identifying targets ready for the opening of the window ....all very frustrating for the club and fans
Until the 1st of January we had a striker who, whilst not playing as well as we might have hoped, was doing ok which meant a backup/competition for him was important but not desperate.
Was important but not desperate, really? I think what with Kodjia not been fancied all season and Davis’ innocuous injury keeping him out for the last how many months the lack of an alternative has been to the detriment of Wesley and the team as a whole.
It’s been apparent for months that Wes was struggling,, so there was every reason to treat the matter with some urgency.
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I knew I'd get responses almost exactly like that but you've ignored the fact that I said it was important anyway (and therefore implied that Wesley getting injured had no impact at all on our signings, which is clearly wrong) and you need to look at it from Smith's perspective. He was quite openly happy with the performances he was getting from Wesley but had pretty obviously lost any faith in Kodjia. He therefore, on December 31st, thought he had a solid first choice and was looking to add 'plan b' by allowing Kodjia to move on and getting in someone to replace him. Hence it was important.
Losing Wes for the season as we did then changed things because we suddenly needed a 'plan a' striker as well. That made it desperate but also meant we were starting a new search for a target man/focal point striker when we'd been planning around signing someone quite different.
Samatta is, I believe, the option we've gone with for the 'plan b' role, you can see he plays on the shoulder and looks to run in behind rather than hold up the ball and let people move around him (which is the role we were using Wes in, irrespective of if people think he was doing well enough or not). This means we're still looking for the hold-up player to replace Wes, with Slimani being a pretty obvious nod in that direction (and Murray too). I also believe that Smith sees Davis as offering the same type of play and was happy with him as a backup to Wes so losing him for such a long period was a big blow as well.
Again, this isn't about whether 'we' believe Wes is good enough (I do, most on here clearly don't) but rather about the priorities Smith had going in to this window and how the Burnley game affected them, for me it threw their plans completely off and they were suddenly looking for 2 signings that were never even considered in meetings building up to the window.
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You are right, the difference of opinion is the belief in the suitability of Wes to be plan A.
Smith obviously did which in my and many others opinion was wrong.
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The Mail saying this should be done today. I'm not sure if this means his work permit too?
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Noel Whelan (yes, Noel fucking Whelan) has been having his ‘invaluable’ say about all things Villa and the Samatta signing. Of course he was less than positive.
Samatta’s fans are not too impressed and someone from Tanzania has tweeted this response.
Read it, its absolutely brilliant.
https://twitter.com/dailytanzania/status/1218804624737652736?s=21
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Noel Whelan (yes, Noel fucking Whelan) has been having his ‘invaluable’ say about all things Villa and the Samatta signing. Of course he was less than positive.
Samatta’s fans are not too impressed and someone from Tanzania has tweeted this response.
Read it, its absolutely brilliant.
https://twitter.com/dailytanzania/status/1218804624737652736?s=21
Ha ha, fantastic! "We will bite you every corner of you stupid body."
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Amy? Who is Amy? She sounds dangerous and if I was Noel Whelan, I would be sweating!!
Not in a sexual way either!!
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Noel Whelan...should be playing bass in a shit Leeds-based Oasis tribute band.
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The way I saw it, we went into the season with 1 new £20m + striker, a promising youngster and a player who had previously done well for us but was unlikely to step up to this level fighting for 1 place as the central striker. We had 3 players also battling for 2 positions out wide in Jota, El Ghazi and Trez and I personally have a hunch that they tried to sign one or two more for those positions but couldn't get them over the line. I had no problem with this scenario. The issues have arisen since in that all of them have been underwhelming/injured which in truth I'm not sure most of us would have bet on beforehand. People keep moaning about Wes and the lack of other options but if any of the wide players had shown any consistent quality I don't think it would have been such an issue. What you would have hoped is that player or players would have been lined up to come in straight away in Jan, a new wide player and a new central striker with PL experience. We don't know how much time and effort has gone into this from all concerned, none of us really know what goes into this and the difficulties that they may have had. As it looks, we're signing a player who looks decent but again has no PL experience, I reckon he was already on a shortlist and he's the only one they've been able to secure so far, simple as that. In order to survive, I would suggest that we sign a quality wide player with PL experience and loan a temporary cover player for Wes, (i.e Benteke if he's available as you'd imagine), and I also think that we need a proper defensive midfield player with PL experience (not Drinkwater and I'm still baffled by that one), because as I've said all along, none of the midfielders we have are that type of player except Nakamba and he's dipped alarmingly to the point of not being the player to help to get us out of this shit.
I hope that they can bring these players in, I would be extremely concerned if not.
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Looking likely to be done in time for Tuesday it seems.
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Looking likely to be done in time for Tuesday it seems.
The signing and work permit?
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ITSOTP, hopefully.
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ITSOTP, hopefully.
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Looking likely to be done in time for Tuesday it seems.
The signing and work permit?
Yes, appears that way.
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Good stuff, this will be a huge boost hopefully.
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In The Shirt On The Pitch (ITSOTP).
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In The Shirt On The Pitch (ITSOTP).
👍
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An actual striker for Tuesday.
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I was underwhelmed with the signing at first, but I can't wait to see how he gets on.
He certainly has a plenty of fans, home and in Belgium.
There must be something about him.
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Be nice if he can play without fear, unlike most of the rest of them.It's been going on a bit too long now.
Perhaps we can actually try and string a 90 minute performance together against Watford..... say Burnley first half with Brighton second half.
Anyway, it would be nice to see a determined effort to win, as opposed to trying to avoid defeat.
Welcome, Mbwana. Please try to hit the ground running. Know it's a big ask.
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He's not played in 3 weeks, so he might not be the sharpest.
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Does anybody subscribe to The Athletic?
Supposed to be a good article on there about Samatta.
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He's not played in 3 weeks, so he might not be the sharpest.
Him and Drinky can try and outsharpen each other then.
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When he is announced, with the shirt stretch, can we have a 24/48 punfest window to allow us all to get it out of our systems.
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https://theathletic.com/1541652/2020/01/19/villa-mbwana-ally-samatta-transfer-profile/
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When he is announced, with the shirt stretch, can we have a 24/48 punfest window to allow us all to get it out of our systems.
If we don't play Joe Dolce over the PA prior to his debut I will be gutted. It would be pure 'music theatre'.
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He's not played in 3 weeks, so he might not be the sharpest.
To be fair the most recent footage of Drinkwater and Reina playing prior to joining us is on Pathe Newsreel.
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When he is announced, with the shirt stretch, can we have a 24/48 punfest window to allow us all to get it out of our systems.
If we don't play Joe Dolce over the PA prior to his debut I will be gutted. It would be pure 'music theatre'.
Wasn't Joe Dolce from Sutton Coldfield? Is he still around ? If so he could sing the song in front of the Holte like that bloke singing Ynwa on the last day of the Holte terracing - against Liverpool
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He's not played in 3 weeks, so he might not be the sharpest.
Is this supposed to be ironic? 3 weeks is nothing.
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Amazed we got the work permit sorted that quickly.
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He's not played in 3 weeks, so he might not be the sharpest.
That was exactly what Banik Ostrava told us when we signed Ivo Stas ;)
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Amazed we got the work permit sorted that quickly.
Who said we have?
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I presume he will not have trained with the squad as he had no work permit and I think the Belgian League has been on a winter break for a few weeks, so expecting him to make an impact from the start is putting a lot of pressure on the guy -does anyone know is he multi lingual?
I wish him well but fear the level of expectation will be burdensome
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Amazed we got the work permit sorted that quickly.
Who said we have?
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I think most Tanzanians can speak English.
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I think most Tanzanians can speak English.
I thought that might be the case :)
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When he is announced, with the shirt stretch, can we have a 24/48 punfest window to allow us all to get it out of our systems.
If we don't play Joe Dolce over the PA prior to his debut I will be gutted. It would be pure 'music theatre'.
Wasn't Joe Dolce from Sutton Coldfield? Is he still around ? If so he could sing the song in front of the Holte like that bloke singing Ynwa on the last day of the Holte terracing - against Liverpool
Born in America.
You're thinking of Rene of Rene and Renata fame!
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Amazed we got the work permit sorted that quickly.
Who said we have?
It's not clear whether we have, but the Mail and a few other journalists believe he'll be signed in time for Watford, so the presumption is yes.
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I bet he won't be. I remember Ron Vlaar missing about ninety-seven successive games and he was going to be available for ninety-four of them. It's best to just assume the worst where we are concerned.
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When he is announced, with the shirt stretch, can we have a 24/48 punfest window to allow us all to get it out of our systems.
If we don't play Joe Dolce over the PA prior to his debut I will be gutted. It would be pure 'music theatre'.
Wasn't Joe Dolce from Sutton Coldfield? Is he still around ? If so he could sing the song in front of the Holte like that bloke singing Ynwa on the last day of the Holte terracing - against Liverpool
Born in America.
You're thinking of Rene of Rene and Renata fame!
That's the one !!! I'm now trying to remember what their one hit wonder was :)
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Save Your Love
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...my darling...
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Save Your Love
Cheers PWS ......that's now my " ear worm" for the rest of the evening
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1. Very pleased to hear Samatta is ours in time for Tuesday 👍
2. So. Joe Dolce. If not Sutton Coldfield, is there at least a WM referent?
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When he is announced, with the shirt stretch, can we have a 24/48 punfest window to allow us all to get it out of our systems.
If we don't play Joe Dolce over the PA prior to his debut I will be gutted. It would be pure 'music theatre'.
Wasn't Joe Dolce from Sutton Coldfield? Is he still around ? If so he could sing the song in front of the Holte like that bloke singing Ynwa on the last day of the Holte terracing - against Liverpool
Born in America.
You're thinking of Rene of Rene and Renata fame!
That's the one !!! I'm now trying to remember what their one hit wonder was :)
Renee was the woman, the geezer was Renato. Sad that I know that I know, but there is a cafe/bar in Mere Green called Renato's with a big mural of the two of them and apparently owned by said crooner.
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When he is announced, with the shirt stretch, can we have a 24/48 punfest window to allow us all to get it out of our systems.
If we don't play Joe Dolce over the PA prior to his debut I will be gutted. It would be pure 'music theatre'.
Wasn't Joe Dolce from Sutton Coldfield? Is he still around ? If so he could sing the song in front of the Holte like that bloke singing Ynwa on the last day of the Holte terracing - against Liverpool
Born in America.
You're thinking of Rene of Rene and Renata fame!
That's the one !!! I'm now trying to remember what their one hit wonder was :)
Renee was the woman, the geezer was Renato. Sad that I know that I know, but there is a cafe/bar in Mere Green called Renato's with a big mural of the two of them and apparently owned by said crooner.
BFR was a regular, wasn't he?
Speaking of whom, my sister made my nephew get his photo taken with BFR a few months back when they ran in to him in their village's Tesco, despite him (my nephew) not having a clue who he was.
Also, Jack Grealish has bought a house across the road.
That's been your Barnt Green update. I'm Sexual Ealing, back to the studio.
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Amazed we got the work permit sorted that quickly.
Who said we have?
It's not clear whether we have, but the Mail and a few other journalists believe he'll be signed in time for Watford, so the presumption is yes.
As a former civil servant, I will be very surprised if all is done for Tuesday and no one has hinted/said that it will be. Just that things are progressing well. I won’t expect him to be playing, but hope I’m wrong.
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I suppose it's still possible we might get also another loan in on Monday or Tuesday.
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So is it confirmed he has passed medical, has all the completed paperwork necessary for him to play Tuesday?
I've not even seen confirmation we have actually signed him yet ???
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So is it confirmed he has passed medical, has all the completed paperwork necessary for him to play Tuesday?
I've not even seen confirmation we have actually signed him yet ???
Nope it’s not confirmed
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My nan who lived in Mere Green was friends with Renato and his family.
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When he is announced, with the shirt stretch, can we have a 24/48 punfest window to allow us all to get it out of our systems.
If we don't play Joe Dolce over the PA prior to his debut I will be gutted. It would be pure 'music theatre'.
Wasn't Joe Dolce from Sutton Coldfield? Is he still around ? If so he could sing the song in front of the Holte like that bloke singing Ynwa on the last day of the Holte terracing - against Liverpool
Born in America.
You're thinking of Rene of Rene and Renata fame!
That's the one !!! I'm now trying to remember what their one hit wonder was :)
Renee was the woman, the geezer was Renato. Sad that I know that I know, but there is a cafe/bar in Mere Green called Renato's with a big mural of the two of them and apparently owned by said crooner.
Renato died in 2009.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renato_Pagliari
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That scuppers my suggestion then
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He may be a complete flop and we get relegated.
On the plus side we are all a little better informed about season 1969/70 and the merits of African cuisine.
Please add locally based one hit wonders from the early 1980s and a guide to eating establishments in Mere Green.
One of the most informative threads in a long while.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
Brent?! How very dare you, Mr Green! I live in Ealing, London's greenest borough, on a lifelong loan from from Salop. Brent is a terrible borough, London's greyest. I nearly moved to Brentford, but that's in Hounslow, where the planes go.
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I don't like how folk from That London pronounce the first syllable of Hounslow like it rhymes with "town" when I always think it should be said as if it rhymes with "bun".
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I don't like how folk from That London pronounce the first syllable of Hounslow like it rhymes with "town" when I always think it should be said as if it rhymes with "bun".
You're bang wrong there, cd.
House and mouse called. They miss you.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
Wylde Green’s where it’s at, brian.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
Wylde Green’s where it’s at, brian.
You make my heart sing.
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Amazed we got the work permit sorted that quickly.
Who said we have?
It's not clear whether we have, but the Mail and a few other journalists believe he'll be signed in time for Watford, so the presumption is yes.
As a former civil servant, I will be very surprised if all is done for Tuesday and no one has hinted/said that it will be. Just that things are progressing well. I won’t expect him to be playing, but hope I’m wrong.
Maybe the civil servants process things quicker these days than in your days Frank ;)
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When he is announced, with the shirt stretch, can we have a 24/48 punfest window to allow us all to get it out of our systems.
If we don't play Joe Dolce over the PA prior to his debut I will be gutted. It would be pure 'music theatre'.
Wasn't Joe Dolce from Sutton Coldfield? Is he still around ? If so he could sing the song in front of the Holte like that bloke singing Ynwa on the last day of the Holte terracing - against Liverpool
Born in America.
You're thinking of Rene of Rene and Renata fame!
That's the one !!! I'm now trying to remember what their one hit wonder was :)
Renee was the woman, the geezer was Renato. Sad that I know that I know, but there is a cafe/bar in Mere Green called Renato's with a big mural of the two of them and apparently owned by said crooner.
My Dad (who I think joined here recently) worked at Barclays in Mere Green.
Being the magnanimous West Mids footy fan, as well as (praise be, forever indebted..) taking tiny me to Highbury/Rotterdam etc, we used to borrow a mate’s ST at the baggies if he was on holls & Villa were away.
We also got hosted in a box @ West Brom once or twice by one of his restaurant owning customers, I think I need to check it wasn’t said Renato.
Most impressively we had plenty of scratch cards in the box, I was given them all to scratch and amazingly allowed to keep the winnings.
Nope just checked
Courtesy of the Meaing Evil
Renato supported Aston Villa and became good friends with ex-boss Ron Atkinson.
Paying tribute, Atkinson said: “I loved the fella, he was brilliant. He was one of the nicest guys I have met in my life. He was good natured, great to be with and we had some great wind-ups with each other on the golf course.”
<<<Also of interest>>>
He entered TV talent show New Faces in 1975 and caught the attention of songwriter Johnny Edward, who wrote Save Your Love.
* Songwriter Johnny Edward – real name John Flex – was the voice and creator of Metal Mickey.
* During his early career, writer Johnny Edward was guitarist in The Manish Boys, whose lead singer David Jones later became known as... David Bowie.
* Christmas top 10 1982:
1. Renee and Renato: Save Your Love
2. Shakin’ Stevens: Blue Christmas
3. David Bowie and Bing Crosbie: Peace On Earth/Little Drummer Boy
4. Culture Club: Time (Clock of the Heart)
5. Madness: Our House
6. Phil Collins: You Can’t Hurry Love
7. David Essex: A Winter’s Tale
8. Modern Romance: Best Years of our Lives
9. Lionel Richie: Truly
10. The Jam: Beat Surrender
So from Joe Dolce to Metal Mickey/Bowie via BFR. Only @H&V
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
Wylde Green’s where it’s at, brian.
You make my heart sing.
This brought a smile.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
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He may be a complete flop and we get relegated.
On the plus side we are all a little better informed about season 1969/70 and the merits of African cuisine.
Please add locally based one hit wonders from the early 1980s and a guide to eating establishments in Mere Green.
One of the most informative threads in a long while.
1980s Mere Green eating:
Is the chippy still there? We went every Monday night without fail after swimming at Wyndley Leisure Centre for years and years, another of my Dad’s customers over the road at Barclays, the owner was always very friendly.
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Amazed we got the work permit sorted that quickly.
Who said we have?
It's not clear whether we have, but the Mail and a few other journalists believe he'll be signed in time for Watford, so the presumption is yes.
As a former civil servant, I will be very surprised if all is done for Tuesday and no one has hinted/said that it will be. Just that things are progressing well. I won’t expect him to be playing, but hope I’m wrong.
Maybe the civil servants process things quicker these days than in your days Frank ;)
This government is more likely to deport him before he’s got a visa.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
Wylde Green’s where it’s at, brian.
You make my heart sing.
This brought a smile.
Same here, great on a frosty Monday morning.
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Renato’s restaurant, which I think was called something else, was in Lichfield.
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Renatos son, Remo, owned the restaurant in Lichfield. He now works as a chef on Virgin trains. Renatos cafe/restaurant/bar is nothing to do with the family. It is owned by the following company:
https://thelounges.co.uk
Remo is a big Villa fan and his Dad was a top fella but passed some years back. He lived very close to the Barton’s, who still frequent the Mere Green bars.
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Renato’s restaurant, which I think was called something else, was in Lichfield.
Used to visit the Mere Green restaurant frequently with my parents when Renato was the "singing waiter". Sometime after he left the Mere Green restaurant, which he didn't own, he opened a restaurant somewhere in Moseley area.
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Well, I cant see Samatta being signed in time for Watford, hopefully for 28 Jan for the EFL Cup Semi-Final, but you would hope even our recruitment could get it done by 1 Feb when we go to Bournemouth. Cant they? ::)
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
Wylde Green’s where it’s at, brian.
You make my heart sing.
This brought a smile.
Same here, great on a frosty Monday morning.
Amazed we got the work permit sorted that quickly.
Who said we have?
It's not clear whether we have, but the Mail and a few other journalists believe he'll be signed in time for Watford, so the presumption is yes.
As a former civil servant, I will be very surprised if all is done for Tuesday and no one has hinted/said that it will be. Just that things are progressing well. I won’t expect him to be playing, but hope I’m wrong.
Maybe the civil servants process things quicker these days than in your days Frank ;)
A lot less of em now that’s for sure. Maybe a computer will do it, probably called a VISATRON and been in use since 1972.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
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Could someone with a bigger brain than I help to confirm whether we'd have to have him signed / registered by noon today or we can't play him tomorrow?
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
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Renatos son, Remo, owned the restaurant in Lichfield. He now works as a chef on Virgin trains. Renatos cafe/restaurant/bar is nothing to do with the family. It is owned by the following company:
https://thelounges.co.uk
Remo is a big Villa fan and his Dad was a top fella but passed some years back. He lived very close to the Barton’s, who still frequent the Mere Green bars.
There was also one in Little Church Lane, Tamworth. Did nice calzone but not been there for yonks. Not even sure if it's still there
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
I can tell you roughly where it is.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
I can tell you roughly where it is.
The Birmingham Yoker
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
I can tell you roughly where it is.
The Birmingham Yoker
Ha ha, I love Limmy. He pure channels 'stoned Paul Lambert' for Dee Dee.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
Slade Road?
More Aston and Stockland Green.
Roughly can be nearly anywhere you want it to be on that basis.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
Slade Road is Roughley I'd say. One of the things I like about living round there, having grown up in Smethwick, is that almost everyone is Villa.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
Slade Road?
More Aston and Stockland Green.
Roughly can be nearly anywhere you want it to be on that basis.
That's a different Slade Road.
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I can only imagine the hold up on the transfer is that we are awaiting final approval from Noel Whelan and Danny Mills.
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There's only so much you can do to kill time in Shenstone
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Need to be done by 12 today doesn’t it? (To play tomorrow)
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Is it possible we could capture another striker before this lad signs ?
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Is it possible we could capture another striker before this lad signs ?
Thats a bit greedy... you'd obviously dont agree with the club policy of having a one (fit) forward ::)
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
Slade Road?
More Aston and Stockland Green.
Roughly can be nearly anywhere you want it to be on that basis.
That's a different Slade Road.
The Original Slade I might suggest
Not some posher out of town version ;)
My Slade is better than yours cos it's nearer to "home" and I bet I'm older than you too
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Is it possible we could capture another striker before this lad signs ?
Thats a bit greedy... you'd obviously dont agree with the club policy of having a one (fit) forward ::)
Who's that?
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
Slade Road?
More Aston and Stockland Green.
Roughly can be nearly anywhere you want it to be on that basis.
That's a different Slade Road.
This is all crazy now.
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Is it possible we could capture another striker before this lad signs ?
There's more chance of me capturing Kylie Minogue and Bella Hadid for a night in.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
Slade Road?
More Aston and Stockland Green.
Roughly can be nearly anywhere you want it to be on that basis.
That's a different Slade Road.
This is all crazy now.
Any better ideas for filling in the waiting time will be accepted!
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There's more chance of me capturing Kylie Minogue and Bella Hadid for a night in.
I am their agent Des so do you want me to quote rates as they are both available tonight?😉
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
Slade Road?
More Aston and Stockland Green.
Roughly can be nearly anywhere you want it to be on that basis.
That's a different Slade Road.
This is all crazy now.
Any better ideas for fillin
g in the waiting time will be accepted!
Still waiting for a striker. In the meantime Merry Christmas, Everybody!
Sorry, I Won't Let It 'Appen Agen!
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Here's hoping the paperwork has been filed
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Nothing on the OS yet.
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Nothing on the OS yet.
Must be some Watford fans handling registrations at the Premier League.
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Well we only have to file the paperwork by 12. We can announce him wherever we want after its filed I guess
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Oops double post
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Is it 12 or 5:30? I dunno. Just sign a fucking striker you bastards.
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There's more chance of me capturing Kylie Minogue and Bella Hadid for a night in.
I am their agent Des so do you want me to quote rates as they are both available tonight?😉
Yes please! I won't need all night. 20 mins should do it
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There's more chance of me capturing Kylie Minogue and Bella Hadid for a night in.
I am their agent Des so do you want me to quote rates as they are both available tonight?😉
Yes please! I won't need all night. 20 mins should do it
BOGOF?
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He'll surely not be available for the game tomorrow, at this point. Would be very (pleasantly) surprised.
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Is it possible we could capture another striker before this lad signs ?
Thats a bit greedy... you'd obviously dont agree with the club policy of having a one (fit) forward ::)
Who's that?
The fit forward will be Samatta if he ever signs and is announced
The other one,will be the "capture another striker before this lad signs". No idea who.
I'm hopeful for Vassilev might be a a bit of gem, even if he runs around confusing the opposition that we have a "striker"
UTV
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Renato’s restaurant, which I think was called something else, was in Lichfield.
Used to visit the Mere Green restaurant frequently with my parents when Renato was the "singing waiter". Sometime after he left the Mere Green restaurant, which he didn't own, he opened a restaurant somewhere in Moseley area.
The Gondola? Was above the music shop. Emma Willis, her of TV presenting fame, was also a waitress there.
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
I've just checked where my nan lived, and it was the bottom end of Slade Road which by my reckoning puts it more in Roughley than Mere Green. Anyway it was there that my Villa journey began, as both grandparents were Villa fans. My nan used to get her hair done by one of her friends, 'Aunty' Pauline, who had a parrot that used to say "Up the Villa".
I used to see 'Roughley' on the bus in town, and still to this day I haven't got a fucking clue where it is supposed to be.
Slade Road?
More Aston and Stockland Green.
Roughly can be nearly anywhere you want it to be on that basis.
That's a different Slade Road.
This is all crazy now.
And to send the thread even further off subject, Noddy Holder lived in Pilkington Avenue.
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Renato’s restaurant, which I think was called something else, was in Lichfield.
Used to visit the Mere Green restaurant frequently with my parents when Renato was the "singing waiter". Sometime after he left the Mere Green restaurant, which he didn't own, he opened a restaurant somewhere in Moseley area.
The Gondola? Was above the music shop. Emma Willis, her of TV presenting fame, was also a waitress there.
Thanks for that. I've been wracking my brain to remember the original name of the restaurant.
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For the premier league Ally Samatta can score at least 5 goals this season.
And I see capabilities of him scoring 8+ goals by end of season especially if he's given penalty taking responsibilities.
Looking forward to having a goal getter up front once again in the Villa team and a real difference to making chance to win games .
Do you know in which games, and who will assist? also which minute?
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And to send the thread even further off subject, Noddy Holder lived in Pilkington Avenue.
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John Gidman lived in Pilkington Avenue
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I wonder if the deal has hit a snag? No forward again for a massive game tomorrow night. Unbelievable that we're at the 20th January with no new striker.
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Shambolic not to have a forward for four successive matches. Probably be at least five, too.
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For the premier league Ally Samatta can score at least 5 goals this season.
And I see capabilities of him scoring 8+ goals by end of season especially if he's given penalty taking responsibilities.
Looking forward to having a goal getter up front once again in the Villa team and a real difference to making chance to win games .
Very optimistic to assume that we will be spending enough time in the opposition box to win penalties.
Do you know in which games, and who will assist? also which minute?
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I wonder if the deal has hit a snag? No forward again for a massive game tomorrow night. Unbelievable that we're at the 20th January with no new striker.
Work permit application will be sat with relevant department and I assume we have no influence over the timescale here.
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Shambolic not to have a forward for four successive matches. Probably be at least five, too.
Shambolic doesnt begin to describe the situation
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Imagining some Watford or West Ham fan dealing with the workpermit, oops that accidentally slipped to the bottom of my in-tray...
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How does Sexual Ealing from Brent know all about Barnt Green and I a mere Green have never heard of Mere Green. Bordesley, yes, Acocks, yes, Soylent, yes. Mere? Uh uh.
It's basically a bit of Four Oaks in Sutton Coldfield Brian. A roundabout, some shops, a pub, a petrol station, a few restaurants and a primary school. The Renato's that's there now is in a fairly new precinct, Mulberry Walk, so couldn't be the one frequented by BFR. And I guess owned by Renato's family, since the big man has shuffled off the mortal coil. It's dog and kid friendly and the mural is quite something.
When BFR managed us he lived in Barnt Green - south Birmingham by Longbridge. However, when he managed the Baggies, he lived in Four Oaks of which Mere Green is part and was partial to a bit of singing at Renato's in Mere Green. His daughter went to the same school as me and we sat next to each other in English. It was a bog standard comprehensive, so no idea why she went there with the likes of me.
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Imagining some Watford or West Ham fan dealing with the workpermit, oops that accidentally slipped to the bottom of my in-tray...
Sending it back because it’s not in black ink and the signature is not totally within the allocated box!
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Not sure why this one wasnt done earlier tbh, with it being a release clause met for the transfer and not having to go through the process of having bids turned down etc then surely the meeting of the release clause part of the transfer should of been done as soon as the window opened. I can only presume that he wasnt our 1st choice.
I feel its bad planning to leave us so short in such an important area of the pitch going into such a critical period of fixtures .
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Smith saying deal done, bar the waiting on the work permit.
Damn those pencil pushers at City hall!
He is also confident we will get another striker in.
This is from the Mail.
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Deal done but not playing tomorrow as the work permit not ready according to Smith on SSN.
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Madness we are going into another game (against a team around us in the league) without a striker.
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And to send the thread even further off subject, Noddy Holder lived in Pilkington Avenue.
John Gidman lived in Pilkington Avenue
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Noddy lived in Hartopp Rd on the Four Oak estate as I remembering visiting with my sister from the outside in the mid 70's as she was a massive Slade fan
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Surprise surprise, not available for tomorrow. Fuck.
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That's annoying. Hopefully he and another will be like the number 9 bus ready for Leicester.
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Madness we are going into another game (against a team around us in the league) without a striker.
Yes, it really suggs.
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When did Tom Fox come back and start running things? Ridiculous state of affairs, laughable.
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Madness we are going into another game (against a team around us in the league) without a striker.
Yes, it really suggs.
Bravo
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There's more chance of me capturing Kylie Minogue and Bella Hadid for a night in.
I am their agent Des so do you want me to quote rates as they are both available tonight?😉
Yes please! I won't need all night. 20 mins should do it
The girls don’t get out of the bed for less than 10K so if you pay 9 grand they are yours all night😆
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When did Tom Fox come back and start running things? Ridiculous state of affairs, laughable.
And is Lerner back in town? Agree, a simply ridiculous scenario. You could see this situation arising on 31st August last year.
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When did Tom Fox come back and start running things? Ridiculous state of affairs, laughable.
And is Lerner back in town? Agree, a simply ridiculous scenario. You could see this situation arising on 31st August last year.
Oh hark at Nostradamus....
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Annoying definitely
But I doubt its due to us sitting around doing bugger all. There must be so many elements in buying a player that ultimately depends on the selling club agreeing to the deal in the first place.
You hear of so many deals (not just with us) where almost everything is signed off only to fail at the final hurdle as there is either a problem with agent fees, players family or the buying club is gazumped on asking price.
Considering all that...………………………………. Fecking hurry up Villa ;D
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Not sure why this one wasnt done earlier tbh, with it being a release clause met for the transfer and not having to go through the process of having bids turned down etc then surely the meeting of the release clause part of the transfer should of been done as soon as the window opened. I can only presume that he wasnt our 1st choice.
I feel its bad planning to leave us so short in such an important area of the pitch going into such a critical period of fixtures .
Maybe he wasn't our first choice?
I agree it's been bad planning to be in this position, but in Jan you sometimes have to play a fine line between getting things done and compromising on your targets.
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4 games without a striker in the prem ..unbelievable
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Noddy lived in Hartopp Rd on the Four Oak estate as I remembering visiting with my sister from the outside in the mid 70's as she was a massive Slade fan
Didn't Slade all live together in a big house?
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4 games without a striker in the prem ..unbelievable
Less than 3 weeks since our main forward was injured. Perhaps this altered our strategy for this transfer window.
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Noddy lived in Hartopp Rd on the Four Oak estate as I remembering visiting with my sister from the outside in the mid 70's as she was a massive Slade fan
Didn't Slade all live together in a big house?
Was that Viz or Vic and Bob?
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Vic and Bob...
Next Door to Duran Duran.
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4 games without a striker in the prem ..unbelievable
Less than 3 weeks since our main forward was injured. Perhaps this altered our strategy for this transfer window.
We needed at least 1 striker urgently before Wesley got injured.
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4 games without a striker in the prem ..unbelievable
Less than 3 weeks since our main forward was injured. Perhaps this altered our strategy for this transfer window.
We needed at least 1 striker urgently before Wesley got injured.
What I meant was a change from somebody supplementing Wesley to somebody replacing him.
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Vic and Bob...
Next Door to Duran Duran.
Cup a soup!
(https://i.ibb.co/7SHqw1r/132-AEAA2-817-B-44-CD-8962-97-E5-BB5-EFCBE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7SHqw1r)
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Vic and Bob...
Next Door to Duran Duran.
Cup a soup!
(https://i.ibb.co/7SHqw1r/132-AEAA2-817-B-44-CD-8962-97-E5-BB5-EFCBE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7SHqw1r)
UB40 mekkin that racket next door
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Noddy lived in Hartopp Rd on the Four Oak estate as I remembering visiting with my sister from the outside in the mid 70's as she was a massive Slade fan
Didn't Slade all live together in a big house?
Wasn't that The Beatles in "Help"?
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And to send the thread even further off subject, Noddy Holder lived in Pilkington Avenue.
John Gidman lived in Pilkington Avenue
Noddy lived in Hartopp Rd on the Four Oak estate as I remembering visiting with my sister from the outside in the mid 70's as she was a massive Slade fan
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Auntie Jean Morton from Tingha and Tucker lived in Pilkington Avenue.
Must have been a real Party house with the other two.
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Official twitter account just posted a not-very-cryptic post about Samatta, must be done.
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It’s done I reckon.
Avfcofficial tweeting some cryptic stuff
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1219351939441471488?s=21
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Done then, good stuff.
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Good news. He can tear Bournemouth a new one now.
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So too late for Watford then? (With apologies I’m sure it’s been covered to death above but I’m late to this).
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Coming in with the biro now Dave!
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Judging by the lack of crowd noise when it hits the net I assume we're signing someone from small heath.
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Confirmed by avfc.co.uk
https://twitter.com/garinwilliams/status/1219353932054568963?s=21
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Official done 4.5 year contract
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Aston Villa is delighted to announce the signing of Mbwana Samatta from KRC Genk.
The striker has put pen to paper on a four-and-half year deal subject to a work permit and international clearance being granted.
Samatta, 27, has scored ten goals for Genk in all competitions this season including a goal at Anfield against Liverpool in the Champions League.
Dean Smith said: "I'm really pleased we have managed to bring Mbwana to the club.
"He has scored goals throughout his career and I'm looking forward to working with him."
(https://www.avfc.co.uk/-/media/SamattaSigns2.ashx?h=720&la=en&mw=1280&w=1280&hash=8ED9C549DFC83A3AD1AE47F1DB0C09D69CD9ECF6)
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https://twitter.com/tybracey/status/1219353653015982080?s=21
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It’s done I reckon.
Avfcofficial tweeting some cryptic stuff
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1219351939441471488?s=21
About time!!! Welcome! Please be good!
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Welcome Mbwana score loads of goals.
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Subject work permit, which can take time
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Score another at Anfield and you will be on the way to cult status (as long as the Red Shite don't score 6)
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And to send the thread even further off subject, Noddy Holder lived in Pilkington Avenue.
John Gidman lived in Pilkington Avenue
Noddy lived in Hartopp Rd on the Four Oak estate as I remembering visiting with my sister from the outside in the mid 70's as she was a massive Slade fan
Auntie Jean Morton from Tingha and Tucker lived in Pilkington Avenue.
Must have been a real Party house with the other two.
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Crikey. I forgot Auntie Jean lived there. Unforgivable for an ex-member of the Tingha and Tucker Club. Roy Wood I think used to live close by for a bit, because he used to drink in the Boldmere.
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Overall a solid stretch. Could be better on the left sleeve. 7/10 for me
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Can't we stick "Dr" in front of his name to speed up the work permit process
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Is the work permit still outstanding? If not, can he play against Watford tomorrow?
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Work permit and international clearance still outstanding, they are obviously confident of getting both, though.
Welcome Mbwana
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Is the work permit still outstanding? If not, can he play against Watford tomorrow?
This should be a clue :P
The striker has put pen to paper on a four-and-half year deal subject to a work permit and international clearance being granted.
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How do we pronounce his forename, is it Emwawna?
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How do we pronounce his forename, is it Emwawna?
Frank.
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On match thread I shall mainly be calling him Scorchio.
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How do we pronounce his forename, is it Emwawna?
Frank.
What.
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How do we pronounce his forename, is it Emwawna?
Frank.
brilliant.
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Hopefully not a problem with the Work Permit like Wesley? This could still take some time.
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And to send the thread even further off subject, Noddy Holder lived in Pilkington Avenue.
John Gidman lived in Pilkington Avenue
Noddy lived in Hartopp Rd on the Four Oak estate as I remembering visiting with my sister from the outside in the mid 70's as she was a massive Slade fan
Auntie Jean Morton from Tingha and Tucker lived in Pilkington Avenue.
Must have been a real Party house with the other two.
Crikey. I forgot Auntie Jean lived there. Unforgivable for an ex-member of the Tingha and Tucker Club. Roy Wood I think used to live close by for a bit, because he used to drink in the Boldmere.
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Do you still use the secret T&T sign, maidstonevillan?
*signs to another member of the Club*
Tricky when carrying a mug of coffee and the iPad.
Welcome Samatta!
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Glad we've signed a striker. Whatever happened to 3 year contracts though?
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Glad we've signed a striker. Whatever happened to 3 year contracts though?
Helps FFP. Amortised over 4.5 years, means we've actually made a £1m profit for this season's books when compared against Kodjia's sale.
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I'm pretty happy with this one, he's a very different type of striker to Wes and Davis so even if both get fit and are in form he'll have a part to play (so long as he settles, etc). Him with Jack and AEG behind in a 343 of sorts looks like the best idea for now. I still have issues with playing 3 centre backs but, Man City excluded, we look more stable in midfield with the extra defender able to step out and help them.
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Why can’t he play against Leicester in the cup?
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It’s pronounced Bwana - you drop the M.
Please kick or head the ball into the goal.
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Why can’t he play against Leicester in the cup?
I THINK he needed to be registered before the first leg.
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Is he potentially available tomorrow?
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Is he potentially available tomorrow?
No, but I am. I finish at half four as well, could help put the nets up.
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Speaks good English.
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Great to get a striker in finally. Goes without saying but we definitely need another more experienced one at this level to follow.
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I believe both him & Pepe will be able to play against Leicester, as long as the Work Permit etc.. is done by then.
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Speaks good English.
Thank you, it's one of my bestest skillz.
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Why can’t he play against Leicester in the cup?
I THINK he needed to be registered before the first leg.
Shite Arse Damn.
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I believe both him & Pepe will be able to play against Leicester, as long as the Work Permit etc.. is done by then.
I hope you are right and I am wrong.
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And to send the thread even further off subject, Noddy Holder lived in Pilkington Avenue.
John Gidman lived in Pilkington Avenue
Noddy lived in Hartopp Rd on the Four Oak estate as I remembering visiting with my sister from the outside in the mid 70's as she was a massive Slade fan
Auntie Jean Morton from Tingha and Tucker lived in Pilkington Avenue.
Must have been a real Party house with the other two.
Crikey. I forgot Auntie Jean lived there. Unforgivable for an ex-member of the Tingha and Tucker Club. Roy Wood I think used to live close by for a bit, because he used to drink in the Boldmere.
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I was a member of the Tingha and Tucker Club too and knew where Aunie Jean Morton lived.
Dennis Waterman and Rula Lenska used to live on Moor Hall Drive.
American born Joe Dolce has as far as I know never even visited Sutton Coldfield and now resides in Australia.
Oh, nearly forgot. Welcome Mbwana, please help us avoid relegation.
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Love looking at the official announcement comments on Facebook via translate..we’ve added Tanzania as a fan base
‘That has been talk of everywhere, even in such remote area I am people are asking on the possibility of getting AV jersey just because of Samatta . Bring them you will sell like nuts.‘
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Welcome Samatta! Please score some goals when you're allowed to play.
When is our next striker signing expected to be announced? Please don't say the Summer
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I believe both him & Pepe will be able to play against Leicester, as long as the Work Permit etc.. is done by then.
I hope you are right and I am wrong.
A player is registered to play
6.2.2 in the case of a Premier League Club, one who would be registered and eligible to participate in a Premier League match commencing at the same time and on the same date as the Competition match in accordance with the Premier League Rules, or would have been but for the operation of Premier League Rule U.1.1 (Squad List).
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As clear as mud to me.
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What SAMATTA you, HEY! You gotta no defence!
He's gonna score again, HEY! Maybe with his head
Or maybe with his feet or Maybe with his chest
It doe-SAMATTA mate!
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Welcome Samatta! Please score some goals when you're allowed to play.
When is our next striker signing expected to be announced? Please don't say the Summer
Agreed. We still need at least one more unless Archer or Vassilev are going to be given an opportunity.
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Pleased we got a striker at last. He should bring some confidence and we might be dangerous at corners. Lets hope he gets a few early on and fires us to safety. I reckon he’ll do ok - 15 games to go, I’ll take 5 goals if he plays regularly.
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Welcome, I hope that you are a great success and score lots of goals. Don't let us down and be shit!
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Welcome! Score goals!
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Don't know a thing about him but let's hope he makes a difference. Welcome.
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Google translate at its best
“There is no word can express how I feel because of great pressure to see Samatta wearing a Villa I feel like he's inside of me“
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What SAMATTA you, HEY! You gotta no defence!
He's gonna score again, HEY! Maybe with his head
Or maybe with his feet or Maybe with his chest
It doe-SAMATTA mate!
Please don't!
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Welcome to Villa, Mbwana.
Just put the round thing between the sticks on a regular basis, and we'll all get along famously.
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Welcome to the Villa Mbwana, we are all desperate for you to be good!
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Welcome Mbwana, score lots and keep us up. No pressure !
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What SAMATTA you, HEY! You gotta no defence!
He's gonna score again, HEY! Maybe with his head
Or maybe with his feet or Maybe with his chest
It doe-SAMATTA mate!
Please don't!
Don’t you mean ................
Shatuppa your face!
🤓🤓🤓
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Welcome to the best club in the World Mbwana!
Score lots of goals, be successful and be very happy here!
UTV!
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Mbwana, you are lucky enough to have been signed by the greatest club in the world, an honour most can only dream of. Go out and do yourself and us proud.
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Love the fact he's come in with his own song ready to go! Don't get that often! haha!
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Love the fact he's come in with his own song ready to go! Don't get that often! haha!
It's awful, and I hope to be belting it out with relish many times before the end of the season after a truckload of goals.
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Sky reporting that he won't even be able to play against Leicester because he was registered too late for that as well. Very disappointing.
Oh well, here's to a Rudy Gestede style of debut at Bournemouth.
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Welcome and good luck Ally. Do your nation and Villa proud
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A couple of posters on this thread must be looking at lengthy bans. Some disgusting behaviour.
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A couple of posters on this thread must be looking at lengthy bans. Some disgusting behaviour.
I'll fall on my sword.
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Sky reporting that he won't even be able to play against Leicester because he was registered too late for that as well. Very disappointing.
Oh well, here's to a Rudy Gestede style of debut at Bournemouth.
The Evil
Sky Sports initially reported that Samatta cannot play in the match against Leicester - but will be available for the final if Villa progress.
The rules in the EFL's Carabao Cup handbook are not particularly clear - but it seems from a read-through that Samatta should be available for the second leg - should his work permit pass and his international clearance succeed.
It may be that the EFL have to make a ruling on the matter - and it would depend on whether the 'legs' of the semi final count as one match, or two.
If they count as two matches, Samatta should be cleared and ready to play as he was registered and ready before the second leg.
If the matches count as 'one' match - as they do in the FA Cup when there is a replay - Samatta would be unavailable to play as he was registered after the start of the first leg.
There is precedent though - according to Twitter, Oumar Niasse played for Hull in their second leg after signing after the first leg had finished.
The rules do not clear that up, and as it stands based on a reading of the rulebook, Samatta should line up against Leicester City - until the EFL state otherwise.
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A colleague has just told me he was Sky Sports earlier and it was their Transfer Centre thingy. Apparently there was a pundit on their, when asked, who'd said she had never heard of him so had gone to do some research. 'I typed his name into Instagram and he has 300,000 followers'.
fuck me. * **
*she didn't say that.
**it wasn't a request from me (unless you're Jennifer..... with a surname of Love Hewitt, Garner, Lawrence or Aniston)
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Sky reporting that he won't even be able to play against Leicester because he was registered too late for that as well. Very disappointing.
Oh well, here's to a Rudy Gestede style of debut at Bournemouth.
The Evil
Sky Sports initially reported that Samatta cannot play in the match against Leicester - but will be available for the final if Villa progress.
The rules in the EFL's Carabao Cup handbook are not particularly clear - but it seems from a read-through that Samatta should be available for the second leg - should his work permit pass and his international clearance succeed.
It may be that the EFL have to make a ruling on the matter - and it would depend on whether the 'legs' of the semi final count as one match, or two.
If they count as two matches, Samatta should be cleared and ready to play as he was registered and ready before the second leg.
If the matches count as 'one' match - as they do in the FA Cup when there is a replay - Samatta would be unavailable to play as he was registered after the start of the first leg.
There is precedent though - according to Twitter, Oumar Niasse played for Hull in their second leg after signing after the first leg had finished.
The rules do not clear that up, and as it stands based on a reading of the rulebook, Samatta should line up against Leicester City - until the EFL state otherwise.
Fingers crossed.
That game is a free hit to get him ready for the league run in.
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A couple of posters on this thread must be looking at lengthy bans. Some disgusting behaviour.
I thought I’d got away with that one.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Mbwana.
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A colleague has just told me he was Sky Sports earlier and it was their Transfer Centre thingy. Apparently there was a pundit on their, when asked, who'd said she had never heard of him so had gone to do some research. 'I typed his name into Instagram and he has 300,000 followers'.
fuck me. * **
*she didn't say that.
**it wasn't a request from me (unless you're Jennifer..... with a surname of Love Hewitt, Garner, Lawrence or Aniston)
A trifle. Trez has over 4 million.
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I cant be the only one thats been humming his tune in their head all morning?
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Welcome to Aston Villa, Mbwana. Score lots of goals. No pressure.
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Welcome Mbwana become the goal scoring hero we desperately need, please
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Welcome Ally. I trust you've seen the League table, so you know what you have to do!
Never mind Joe Dolce, calming dolphin sounds is what we all need to listen to until kick-off.
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Don't know a huge amount about him but goodness me I hope he can give us a leg up.
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A colleague has just told me he was Sky Sports earlier and it was their Transfer Centre thingy. Apparently there was a pundit on their, when asked, who'd said she had never heard of him so had gone to do some research. 'I typed his name into Instagram and he has 300,000 followers'.
fuck me. * **
*she didn't say that.
**it wasn't a request from me (unless you're Jennifer..... with a surname of Love Hewitt, Garner, Lawrence or Aniston)
A trifle. Trez has over 4 million.
That is a huge amount for someone who has Nans hair - anyone know why he has so many?
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A colleague has just told me he was Sky Sports earlier and it was their Transfer Centre thingy. Apparently there was a pundit on their, when asked, who'd said she had never heard of him so had gone to do some research. 'I typed his name into Instagram and he has 300,000 followers'.
fuck me. * **
*she didn't say that.
**it wasn't a request from me (unless you're Jennifer..... with a surname of Love Hewitt, Garner, Lawrence or Aniston)
A trifle. Trez has over 4 million.
That is a huge amount for someone who has Nans hair - anyone know why he has so many?
Guess it’s genetic, my lads got really thick hair too.
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And everyone applauded!
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Welcome Ally. I trust you've seen the League table, so you know what you have to do!
Never mind Joe Dolce, calming dolphin sounds is what we all need to listen to until kick-off.
Why do we need to calm the dolphins?
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Welcome Ally. I trust you've seen the League table, so you know what you have to do!
Never mind Joe Dolce, calming dolphin sounds is what we all need to listen to until kick-off.
Why do we need to calm the dolphins?
They fucking hate puns.
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Welcome Ally. I trust you've seen the League table, so you know what you have to do!
Never mind Joe Dolce, calming dolphin sounds is what we all need to listen to until kick-off.
Why do we need to calm the dolphins?
They fucking hate puns.
Only if you aim the puns at them on porpoise
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Hopefully Dean will be able to get a tuna out of Samatta.
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Hopefully Dean will be able to get a tuna out of Samatta.
As long as he finds the net he'll be ok. Otherwise we'll be trawling for another striker.
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We may be able to expedite the work permit process if it is established that his grand grandmother was from Cardiff ……….. in which case he may be eligible to play for ....Whales
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It seems to me you're all floundering.
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I can just picture it now:
Mbwana enjoying the hospitality pre match and chatting with Purslow who asks:
"Mbwana, would you like another sandwich ?"
" Yes please, a prawn again, Christian"
From Cetacean to Crustacean in two posts eh ?
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I sea a change in our fortunes, but can’t fathom out why.
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May your carpets be always littered with lego. May your plugs always be upturned and your toes always stubbed.
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There could be 20,000 leagues but we're in the best one. He'll either sink or swim, and I'm crossing my fin-gers for the latter.
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I meant our for-tuna
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May your carpets be always littered with lego. May your plugs always be upturned and your toes always stubbed.
Sounds like the sea anyway with all that plastic. Mullet over. (Apologies for the puns). The pun fears on here remind me of the bald headed brummies from Alan partridge. Any hope of seriousness and we are off
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You guys must really be piscing Dave off with these awful puns.
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I've got a good feeling about this player.
He's going to be a resounding success and hit the ground running.
His goals will fire us to a safe midtable finish.
Welcome Samagoal.
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You guys must really be piscing Dave off with these awful puns.
Shaddup you plaice.
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Cod we please stop this crabby behaviour
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Smith confident he will face Leicester in the 2nd leg
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Smith confident he will face Leicester in the 2nd leg
I don't get it?
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Smith confident he will face Leicester in the 2nd leg
I don't get it?
Smith said in the post match interview that he expects him to play in the 2nd leg. So this must mean his Visa and work permit are a formality
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He said this, which suggests he doesn't know when it will be:
"We want another [striker], and we're looking for another. Keinan Davis has just started back in training. Hopefully Samatta will start training for us as soon as possible once he gets his visa sorted."
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Smith confident he will face Leicester in the 2nd leg
I don't get it?
That went over someone's head didn't it? :)
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He said this, which suggests he doesn't know when it will be:
"We want another [striker], and we're looking for another. Keinan Davis has just started back in training. Hopefully Samatta will start training for us as soon as possible once he gets his visa sorted."
Your missing the end of the interview off their mate. He says he is confident he will play tuesday. I watched it on the sky sports app and I dont know if there version is longer than the one you saw.
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Yes Weselys , again.
FFS, will you never stop?
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He said this, which suggests he doesn't know when it will be:
"We want another [striker], and we're looking for another. Keinan Davis has just started back in training. Hopefully Samatta will start training for us as soon as possible once he gets his visa sorted."
Your missing the end of the interview off their mate. He says he is confident he will play tuesday. I watched it on the sky sports app and I dont know if there version is longer than the one you saw.
Fair enough, you're right that wasn't on the bit I saw. Hopefully it gets sorted quickly anyway.
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Yes Weselys , again.
Grammatically, it's inaccurate. Sentiment-wise, it's fucking tedious.
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https://twitter.com/salym/status/1220042931152789504?s=21
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He's training, so must have work permit?
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Great news if he can play against Leicester. Will give him a game to get up to speed to play Bournemouth - what a game that will be.
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He's training, so must have work permit?
Pretty sure a player can train without a work permit.
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He's training, so must have work permit?
Pretty sure a player can train without a work permit.
Interesting question ………. I suppose it is what is considered to be "work" and if Bodymoor Health is a "workplace" - I guess if he isn't being paid he isn't working.
My big concern is that we may be pinning all our hopes on the fella - we need someone else (more experienced in the Premier League ) to help him - it would be incredible if, in his first game, he helps get us to a Wembley final
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Isn’t it international clearance we’re waiting for which is just a formality?
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He's training, so must have work permit?
Pretty sure a player can train without a work permit.
Thought it was the opposite. Didn't Luiz have to wait to train with us until we sorted out his work permit? I recall his personal trainer posting photos during the wait.
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Is he definitely eligible for the Leicester cup game?
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He's training, so must have work permit?
Pretty sure a player can train without a work permit.
Thought it was the opposite. Didn't Luiz have to wait to train with us until we sorted out his work permit? I recall his personal trainer posting photos during the wait.
Why would he? He trained in Manchester with City when he wasn't out on loan. Perhaps he just preferred a spell at home before his paperwork was processed for us. I can't think of any reason a player can't visit a training ground and take part in a session.
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just score the goals to keep us up this season from a standing start in a different league with new teams mates
do well, no pressure
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He’s got to have that song! What’s a matter you, hey?
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He's training, so must have work permit?
Pretty sure a player can train without a work permit.
I was just considering that and came to the conclusion that the insurers would probably prohibit it.
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He's training, so must have work permit?
Pretty sure a player can train without a work permit.
I'd be surprised, tbh. It's not like he's using the gym at the hotel he's visiting, he's carrying on his line of work at a place of work. It's work.
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He's training, so must have work permit?
Pretty sure a player can train without a work permit.
I'd be surprised, tbh. It's not like he's using the gym at the hotel he's visiting, he's carrying on his line of work at a place of work. It's work.
Right, but by the same line of argument surely you can't register a player on payroll if he hasn't secured a work permit as he's not legally allowed to work in the country and he can't pay tax - and yet, are you going to tell me that Douglas Luiz (for instance) wasn't earning a wage while he was at Man City? There are ways around these things, I'd have thought you can declare individuals as "visitors" at a training ground without any legal or insurance wrangle.
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He's training, so must have work permit?
Pretty sure a player can train without a work permit.
I'd be surprised, tbh. It's not like he's using the gym at the hotel he's visiting, he's carrying on his line of work at a place of work. It's work.
Right, but by the same line of argument surely you can't register a player on payroll if he hasn't secured a work permit as he's not legally allowed to work in the country and he can't pay tax - and yet, are you going to tell me that Douglas Luiz (for instance) wasn't earning a wage while he was at Man City? There are ways around these things, I'd have thought you can declare individuals as "visitors" at a training ground without any legal or insurance wrangle.
Trying to take the piss like that is the surest way of having the paperwork dragged out, or even refused.
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He's training, so must have work permit?
Pretty sure a player can train without a work permit.
I'd be surprised, tbh. It's not like he's using the gym at the hotel he's visiting, he's carrying on his line of work at a place of work. It's work.
Right, but by the same line of argument surely you can't register a player on payroll if he hasn't secured a work permit as he's not legally allowed to work in the country and he can't pay tax - and yet, are you going to tell me that Douglas Luiz (for instance) wasn't earning a wage while he was at Man City? There are ways around these things, I'd have thought you can declare individuals as "visitors" at a training ground without any legal or insurance wrangle.
How could they pay him? He wasn't allowed to work in this country.
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But if he's had his work permit stamped then you'd hope the club would have said something by now.
Didn't we get formal confirmation via OS (etc) when Wesley & Luiz both had their permits approved, after a period of waiting?
I'm happy to be wrong on this but as we've heard nothing from the club then you'd have to assume his work permit is still being processed.
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Maybe they're waiting on clarification from the Football League as to whether he's eligible for Tuesday before breaking the good/bad news.
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Just suppose a player we intend to sign popped into training and had a little kick about with the lads while his paperwork was 'catching up'. And then imagine the problems if said player broke his ankle. No insurance as he was not fully registered etc etc
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Surely a player has an obligation to keep fit, even if a transfer is going through he should be covered by the selling club till that's taken over by the buying club!
How many times do you see that a foreign player, say, is injured and returns "home" for a while to recuperate and is seen training at a previous or local club? He must be covered by his parent club.
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He was at the training ground about a week before his signing was announced from what my new inside source tells me, and was a very affable fellow.
Also, apparently Richard O'Kelly and John Terry don't like coriander.
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He was at the training ground about a week before his signing was announced from what my new inside source tells me, and was a very affable fellow.
Also, apparently Richard O'Kelly and John Terry don't like coriander.
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what is the matter with them ?? :-\
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God only knows mate, I blame the parents.
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He was at the training ground about a week before his signing was announced from what my new inside source tells me, and was a very affable fellow.
Also, apparently Richard O'Kelly and John Terry don't like coriander.
ITK!
Fully expect some clickbait articles to start appearing online about our management team's arguments over whether to sign a striker named Cory Anders
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He was at the training ground about a week before his signing was announced from what my new inside source tells me, and was a very affable fellow.
Also, apparently Richard O'Kelly and John Terry don't like coriander.
ITK!
Fully expect some clickbait articles to start appearing online about our management team's arguments over whether to sign a striker named Cory Anders
Not another overseas signing …. we must be scouring the condiment
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He was at the training ground about a week before his signing was announced from what my new inside source tells me, and was a very affable fellow.
Also, apparently Richard O'Kelly and John Terry don't like coriander.
I'm allergic to the stuff, but only if I touch it. I can eat it in food without a reaction. Quite odd.
Anyway, back on topic, if he hasn't got a work permit, he's not allowed to work, unless he has a temporary waiver whilst the permit is being processed, or, he is working for his other club. Training is working as far as a footballer is concerned.
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He was at the training ground about a week before his signing was announced from what my new inside source tells me, and was a very affable fellow.
Also, apparently Richard O'Kelly and John Terry don't like coriander.
ITK!
Fully expect some clickbait articles to start appearing online about our management team's arguments over whether to sign a striker named Cory Anders
It's top drawer ITK, none of that transfer rumour horseshit.
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Unattached players train with professional clubs all the time, in just the last couple of years we have had, that has been public knowledge, Collins and Samba doing that. That this is during a transfer makes it slightly different but I doubt there are any insurance related issues.
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Best ITK on here.
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Unattached players train with professional clubs all the time, in just the last couple of years we have had, that has been public knowledge, Collins and Samba doing that. That this is during a transfer makes it slightly different but I doubt there are any insurance related issues.
Neither of them required a work permit, though.
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Unattached players train with professional clubs all the time, in just the last couple of years we have had, that has been public knowledge, Collins and Samba doing that. That this is during a transfer makes it slightly different but I doubt there are any insurance related issues.
Neither of them required a work permit, though.
Which would be a bigger issue than insurance, that's the thing I was dismissing.
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Now I'm more confused. So just before the paperwork is completed for your new 15million pound striker, he brakes a leg in one of your training sessions. Are you still going to pay 15m or send him back to his contracted club ? I know this is an extreme example, but this is why a player will not be training with his new club until all the paperwork is completed.
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I think Emiliano Sala is most extreme example of 'meeting up' with a new club before the paperwork is completed.
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I somehow can't imagine us - having finally signed a striker in the middle of striking crisis and a busy period of crucial games - saying "no sorry you can't go for a jog around Bodymoor with your new teammates, your work permit hasn't come through. Best head back to the hotel and sit there for a few days, we'll be in touch."
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I somehow can't imagine us - having finally signed a striker in the middle of striking crisis and a busy period of crucial games - saying "no sorry you can't go for a jog around Bodymoor with your new teammates, your work permit hasn't come through. Best head back to the hotel and sit there for a few days, we'll be in touch."
Why can’t you imagine that?
These are multi million pound businesses, not the kind of Sunday league kick abouts you or I might get involved in. I would think they are doing it all exactly as they should be and wouldn’t risk even an ankle twist on a ‘jog’ before all the i’s are dotted and t’s crossed.
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I somehow can't imagine us - having finally signed a striker in the middle of striking crisis and a busy period of crucial games - saying "no sorry you can't go for a jog around Bodymoor with your new teammates, your work permit hasn't come through. Best head back to the hotel and sit there for a few days, we'll be in touch."
You’re just plain wrong on this. Best let it go.
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I somehow can't imagine us - having finally signed a striker in the middle of striking crisis and a busy period of crucial games - saying "no sorry you can't go for a jog around Bodymoor with your new teammates, your work permit hasn't come through. Best head back to the hotel and sit there for a few days, we'll be in touch."
You’re just plain wrong on this. Best let it go.
Here's an image of Douglas Luiz - who could never get a work permit for Manchester City - playing football for Manchester City:
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But a lad can't have a run around Bodymoor unless he's got a work permit.
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I somehow can't imagine us - having finally signed a striker in the middle of striking crisis and a busy period of crucial games - saying "no sorry you can't go for a jog around Bodymoor with your new teammates, your work permit hasn't come through. Best head back to the hotel and sit there for a few days, we'll be in touch."
You’re just plain wrong on this. Best let it go.
Here's an image of Douglas Luiz - who could never get a work permit for Manchester City - playing football for Manchester City:
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But a lad can't have a run around Bodymoor unless he's got a work permit.
That game took place in the U.S.A.
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Dougy looks like he's trying to use Ribery's arm as a guitar.
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In recent times we have had the transfer of a goalkeeper blocked by a woman abusing her power to advantage her own club, we have been denied the services of a player because his front gates jammed and we lost a legally signed player because his tea was on the table. Nothing about player movements surprises me any more.
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I somehow can't imagine us - having finally signed a striker in the middle of striking crisis and a busy period of crucial games - saying "no sorry you can't go for a jog around Bodymoor with your new teammates, your work permit hasn't come through. Best head back to the hotel and sit there for a few days, we'll be in touch."
You’re just plain wrong on this. Best let it go.
Here's an image of Douglas Luiz - who could never get a work permit for Manchester City - playing football for Manchester City:
(https://images.daznservices.com/di/library/GOAL/e5/c0/douglas-luiz-manchester-city_1a5ny4olpvrsj1wnusjb42upjf.jpg?t=81813966&quality=60&w=1600)
But a lad can't have a run around Bodymoor unless he's got a work permit.
That game took place in the U.S.A.
Beat me to it.
"Sources say that Luiz was hugely impressive in training and friendlies against Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munich on the preseason tour to the United States.
Guardiola had earmarked him to be part of his squad as he was short of options in the holding midfield role after top summer target Jorginho opted to join Chelsea.
But rules on work permits were changed in 2015 to ensure that only the most talented non-European Union players met strict criteria and he was not a full international, which did not help his case.
Guardiola and Brazil coach Tite even sent detailed videos to the UK Home Office explaining why Luiz would be important to his side but the application was turned down.
The City boss feels it was particularly tough for Luiz to not have the opportunity to train with his team-mates in Manchester and to have the chance to show whether he was good enough."
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When a whole nation loves a player.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1221056515336962053?s=21
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The character Coriander in Coe's Brexit novel is a spoilt little bitch so I don't blame Terry nor O'Kelly for disliking her.
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The character Coriander in Coe's Brexit novel is a spoilt little bitch so I don't blame Terry nor O'Kelly for disliking her.
I've just finished that. Is Samatta anti-coriander? It can overpower other ingredients. He has a point.
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When a whole nation loves a player.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1221056515336962053?s=21
I was just going to post the same thing TV.
I think they like him back home.
Looks like Traore might be a fan too, with him cheerleading !
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The character Coriander in Coe's Brexit novel is a spoilt little bitch so I don't blame Terry nor O'Kelly for disliking her.
I've just finished that. Is Samatta anti-coriander? It can overpower other ingredients. He has a point.
I just hope he is a seasoned pro
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All this stuff about work permits, coriander, Douglas Luiz is really getting off topic.
Can we get to Renee and Renata ?
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He seems very popular amongst his people. I hope we have signed a messiah and not just a very naughty boy.
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When a whole nation loves a player.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1221056515336962053?s=21
I was just going to post the same thing TV.
I think they like him back home.
Looks like Traore might be a fan too, with him cheerleading !
The club should really try to make the most of this. Have a wee pre-season tour of East Africa, force our way in to the collective subconscious of half a continent, come back with photos of Villa playing friendlies in front of 60,000 Villa-mad Tanzanians, at their national stadium. It'd look crazy-good - "the claret & blue continent" :)
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When a whole nation loves a player.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1221056515336962053?s=21
I was just going to post the same thing TV.
I think they like him back home.
Looks like Traore might be a fan too, with him cheerleading !
The club should really try to make the most of this. Have a wee pre-season tour of East Africa, force our way in to the collective subconscious of half a continent, come back with photos of Villa playing friendlies in front of 60,000 Villa-mad Tanzanians, at their national stadium. It'd look crazy-good - "the claret & blue continent" :)
... before going on to Zimbabwe for Nak's Horne crowd.
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Looking forward to seeing him play.
His enthusiasm is only going to be a positive force on the side.
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Also, apparently Richard O'Kelly and John Terry don't like coriander.
My mates lad has started working for the club. I asked him for some inside information and he said he’d ask and let me know. I had a text a few days later ‘The really famous one who helps the manager, he doesn’t like spicy food’
He’s not w big football fan.
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Also, apparently Richard O'Kelly and John Terry don't like coriander.
My mates lad has started working for the club. I asked him for some inside information and he said he’d ask and let me know. I had a text a few days later ‘The really famous one who helps the manager, he doesn’t like spicy food’
He’s not w big football fan.
No fear of a "Terry Delhi Belly" then
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The club should really try to make the most of this. Have a wee pre-season tour of East Africa, force our way in to the collective subconscious of half a continent, come back with photos of Villa playing friendlies in front of 60,000 Villa-mad Tanzanians, at their national stadium. It'd look crazy-good - "the claret & blue continent" :)
If a load of Villa fans went along we could call it the 'Grumble in the Jungle'.
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Stands. Applauds. Sits back down.
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The club should really try to make the most of this. Have a wee pre-season tour of East Africa, force our way in to the collective subconscious of half a continent, come back with photos of Villa playing friendlies in front of 60,000 Villa-mad Tanzanians, at their national stadium. It'd look crazy-good - "the claret & blue continent" :)
If a load of Villa fans went along we could call it the 'Grumble in the Jungle'.
We need to develop the links with SC Villa in Uganda next door too.
I did suggest some project work a few years back but then the Villa in the community stuff was limited to UK only.
I’m meeting their general manager at a match next month if I have my way on our trip itinerary - anyone got any Villa in the community links? (I know supporter Liasoon Lee Preece will pass on but just in case any more ITK)
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Over 10 years ago we sent over 100 H&V donated old Villa shirts out to Tanzania. There’s the seed right there.
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My younger son regularly takes suitcases full of donated Villa shirts to Havana. Nothing come though the Cuban connection yet. Perhaps we should start a Villa Boxing Club. Or baseball.
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Over 10 years ago we sent over 100 H&V donated old Villa shirts out to Tanzania. There’s the seed right there.
Aha! Thanks to the generosity of the parishioners here I took out about 30 odd to Uganda in 2008 . There was a televised - well we paid to get it onto the news - game at the National Mental Health Hospital resplendent in a wondrous mix of Villa all ages Home Vs Villa all ages away, with a heck of a lot of Taylors on the pitch.
My trip next month is a big family one but another work one and I'd be tempted to do it again. Also fantasising of a SCV/AVFC link up, The Emperor has struck me as someone you could imagine supporting positive mental health promotion through footy stuff.
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Can anyone confirm he's actually received his work permit ?
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Can anyone confirm he's actually received his work permit ?
The Home Office?
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Can anyone confirm he's actually received his work permit ?
Deano stated that he’s available for Tuesday so whilst not confirmation, it’s the next best thing.
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my lad tells me he’s alright because he’s got a 83 finishing rating on Fifa which is all that matters to him when evaluating players
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my lad tells me he’s alright because he’s got a 83 finishing rating on Fifa which is all that matters to him when evaluating players
What's his pace and acceleration stats like though.
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Depends on how mad his Dad is.
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Dad holds the advantage as he can clear three stairs at a time!
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my lad tells me he’s alright because he’s got a 83 finishing rating on Fifa which is all that matters to him when evaluating players
What's his pace and acceleration stats like though.
Overal 85 apparently not bad
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my lad tells me he’s alright because he’s got a 83 finishing rating on Fifa which is all that matters to him when evaluating players
What's his pace and acceleration stats like though.
Overal 85 apparently not bad
His overall stats are 79. Someone whose stats are 85 would have cost a lot of dough. His best stats are definitely in pace and acceleration though (acceleration 83, sprint speed 86).
I am not a virgin.
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my lad tells me he’s alright because he’s got a 83 finishing rating on Fifa which is all that matters to him when evaluating players
What's his pace and acceleration stats like though.
Overal 85 apparently not bad
His overall stats are 79. Someone whose stats are 85 would have cost a lot of dough. His best stats are definitely in pace and acceleration though (acceleration 83, sprint speed 86).
I am not a virgin.
He asked about pace which is 85 overall so I’ve been told
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Finishing 83, acceleration 83, sprint speed 86. What's dragging him down to 79?
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Finishing 83, acceleration 83, sprint speed 86. What's dragging him down to 79?
First touch 1
Passing 1
Heading 1
Knowing our luck.
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Injury proneness 385.
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Spouse doesn't like Birmingham 466.
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Scapegoatability - 79
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Needsafullpreseason - 76
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A cold Tuesday, night in February in Rotherham 40
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Theresaplayerintheresomewhere 58
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Barndooravoidance 89
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Whadyaexpectwithnoservice 102
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Toothness 32
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Car Reversing -500
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Best mates with a Bosko 6mill
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Abilitytoopendrivegates 0
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According to Avfc.com he IS available tomorrow which presumably means he will definitely take part at some point
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Hitting cow's arse with banjo 66.6 recurring.
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Good with his head 69
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LifetheUniverseandEverything:42
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Great in training - 90
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Finishing 83, acceleration 83, sprint speed 86. What's dragging him down to 79?
Well it takes in to account lots of stats, those ones you mentioned are his higher ones. For instance long shots if I remember correctly are 69 so he's less likely to be whacking them in from distance.
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Is that, doesn't like to have a pop from distance, or, when he does it's likely to trouble anyone but the goalkeeper?
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The latter likely influences the former.
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Is that, doesn't like to have a pop from distance, or, when he does it's likely to trouble anyone but the goalkeeper?
What Ads said, I imagine. For a striker though that stat isn't that relevant, it's more for your midfielders.
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Didn't put Tonev off.
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Long Shot Kick de Bucket.
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Didn't put Tonev off.
I did enjoy laughing knowing what was about to happen. I did the same when Cuellar was about to pass and he'd put about 300% too much power on a 5 yard pass.
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What's the betting he won't start tonight, cue a meltdown.
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Apparently 4 million fans in Dar Es Salaam and other Towns in Tanzania watching us tonight.
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Apparently 4 million fans in Dar Es Salaam and other Towns in Tanzania watching us tonight.
How many won't be bothering because we'll only lose in the final?
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What's the betting he won't start tonight, cue a meltdown.
or , …….he plays and is shit :) , cue even bigger meltdown (only joking kids ;))
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Well I'm hoping for at least a brace or he can go back to Genk.
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Apparently 4 million fans in Dar Es Salaam and other Towns in Tanzania watching us tonight.
That's right, we might not know much about Samatta but in his homeland this is absolutely huge. I was listening to a reporter from Cloud FM in Tanzania who has flown over to watch the game and approx. 4 million are out on the streets watching this game tonight, he also said that fans in Tanzania normally support 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', Man U Arsenal or Chelsea but now they are all Villa fans.
He is by far the biggest name ever in Tanzanian football, hope I can say later that I was there when he opened his goal tally at Villa Park tonight.
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Samatta in the Tanzanian national press, a nation rejoices at his move to Villa.
https://www.dailynews.co.tz/news/2020-01-215e273c20ca497.aspx even the Tanzanian government are pleased with his move.
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Sama Samagoal Samagoal!
He's going to score tonight and become an instant hero
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Haina kufeli!!!
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Well I'm hoping for at least a brace or he can go back to Genk.
A hattrick or he can join Hogan at Blues!
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He's just blasted one past Sarkic in the warm up, go on son!
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Haina kufeli!!!
What a wonderful phrase ..........;)
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Samatta looked every inch what he is, a young, raw, willing striker who has never played at this level before. It won’t happen overnight. Had 2 chances and didn’t connect with either. He’s not going to be our new Darren Bent yet.
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Samatta looked every inch what he is, a young, raw, willing striker who has never played at this level before. It won’t happen overnight. Had 2 chances and didn’t connect with either. He’s not going to be our new Darren Bent yet.
He's 27.
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Looks promising. Good movement.
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I've seen worse debuts.
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Got in the right position twice but didn’t make the right connection, a few decent touches here and there and pretty quiet on the whole so hard to judge even though you shouldn’t really anyway for a players first game in a new league.
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Those 2 chances were, for me, the sort that a player who's playing regularly puts away but a guy who's playing for the first time in a month misses. What they did show that was good movement and awareness, whatever else happens I think he'll get plenty of chances to score, hopefully he starts taking them soon, a couple in a big win over Bournemouth would be huge and get us looking up instead of down.
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Definitely Paul, he’s got himself into position, a bit more sharpness and he’ll hopefully bury them.
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Thought he defended well from the front. When the ball was played forward to him, he made challenges when he wasn't going to win the ball but put the defender off so that we were able to pick up the second ball.
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Good debut by a player who hasn't played for a few weeks.
Didn't convert his 2 opportunities, but that will come with time. Gave the impression that he knows how to play up front - good control and lay offs, match aware and took up good positions and made some strong runs off the ball creating space for others.
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It'll take a few games to get match fit. Pity the Belgian League has had a break recently.
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It does have to be said though that it was a dreadful miss. He didn't get anything on it at all.
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He looked like he’d just got off the plane, but he slap mugged like a proper striker. Settled down and got into decent positions. Unlucky not to score on his debut
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It'll take a few games to get match fit. Pity the Belgian League has had a break recently.
He's fucked then as we go on our break after Saturday.
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Samatta effect https://twitter.com/phd_manara/status/1222283707123490818
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Hopefully he's o.k for Saturday.
I was happy with what I saw. Much more experienced and idea of how to play the lone striker role compared to Wes who was very much a work in progress.
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Samatta fans watching the game
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Samatta's head is the same shape as The Terminator's in the first film when Arnie's face is stripped away.
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Samatta fans watching the game
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That is absolutely fucking insane. Genuinely can't wait to see the scenes there when he scores his first goal hat-trick for us on Saturday. I hope all our games are televised in Tanzania!
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It does have to be said though that it was a dreadful miss. He didn't get anything on it at all.
Looks like he hadn't expected the specific bounce plus defender being in the way meant he lost track. His boot was going for a different flight on the highlights.
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He lacked sharpness. He could and maybe even should have scored twice. Once for sure. But his movement was good for being his first game for the club in what was a massive event. He’ll be on the end of our crosses as he gets up to speed.
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Agreed - thought he did well and got into some good positions - match fit and the through ball from Jack would have been converted.
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Decent enough debut, no absolute howlers and we didn't resort to hoofing it up front to him. Could have easily been a scoring debut but I'm sure based on what we saw last night the chances will come. He must have been absolutely overwhelmed and thinking we're all crazy!
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I thought he was OK last night, it was good to have a forward as an outlet for the defence/midfielders.
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Samatta fans watching the game
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Isn't that Trump's inauguration ?
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The odd nice touch in the first half, but most promisingly he was making clever runs and getting into good positions all night.
The miss was horrendous though and I hope it doesn't knock his confidence. He looked deflated after that.
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People saying he had 2 opportunities to score, obviously the one in the second half from Jacks right wing cross but cannot remember another?
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The odd nice touch in the first half, but most promisingly he was making clever runs and getting into good positions all night.
The miss was horrendous though and I hope it doesn't knock his confidence. He looked deflated after that.
I think he'll be fine.
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People saying he had 2 opportunities to score, obviously the one in the second half from Jacks right wing cross but cannot remember another?
One in the first half the ball looked like it just got stuck under his boot, mis-timed/mis-judged the bounce. A half chance at best.
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Samatta fans watching the game
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That is absolutely fucking insane. Genuinely can't wait to see the scenes there when he scores his first goal hat-trick for us on Saturday. I hope all our games are televised in Tanzania!
Especially considering the game kicked off at 10.45 pm for them
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I thought he gave Soyunchu (sp) a torrid time and never let him have time on the ball.
He made some clever runs, including into the positions to make the misses
I think he is going to be decent for us
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My only issue with him last night was that I thought he was dropping too deep when we were out of possession, which could well have been under instruction. Would have liked to have seen him put the keeper under more pressure as the odd time we did it seemed to work
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Always difficult to tell on TV what’s going on with the striker but you sensed the Leicester centre backs weren’t comfortable at all, it bought a different dimension to our play.
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Thought he had a pretty solid debut tbf. With a bit of fitness under his belt I think he'll do well and score a few goals.
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I thought as debuts go he did OK particularly given the high profile nature of the match. With a bit more match fitness I think we may well have uncovered a good one.
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My only issue with him last night was that I thought he was dropping too deep when we were out of possession, which could well have been under instruction. Would have liked to have seen him put the keeper under more pressure as the odd time we did it seemed to work
That was the tactics, to allow their center backs the ball and the time. Fill the midfield and stop them coming through the middle.
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People saying he had 2 opportunities to score, obviously the one in the second half from Jacks right wing cross but cannot remember another?
First half. Pass towards near post, it was perhaps slightly behind him and it sort of got stuck under his feet.
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I'd love to know what he made of it all. The atmosphere, the noise, the last minute goal, the pitch invasion. It must have been an incredible night for him.
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Gave him the benefit of the doubt on the miss from Jack's peach of a pass.
Think he has temporarily unsighted by the defender just as the ball arrived.
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Mate sent me a picture that is doing the rounds of him having a meal in the Kabbabish in Sutton last night
Fair play to him
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Gave him the benefit of the doubt on the miss from Jack's peach of a pass.
Think he has temporarily unsighted by the defender just as the ball arrived.
I thought that too. It's a shame as the faintest of contacts would have resulted in a goal. Overall I thought it was a decent debut.
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Gave him the benefit of the doubt on the miss from Jack's peach of a pass.
Think he has temporarily unsighted by the defender just as the ball arrived.
I think so too, I think he was surprised by the ball.
Also, I think one of their players gave him a kick just before he went off, and he looked to be moving a bit more gingerly after that. I think that coupled with his obvious disappointment at missing the sitter meant that it was the right decision of Smith to bring Davis on.
Davis also played well. I'd also love to see him be fit enough to start a few consecutive games.
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He had a good debut in my opinion I like the look of him.
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I don't think the chance was a sitter. I do think it was an opportunity but not that easy.
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It might be my memory playing tricks, but didn't he do really well in the build up to the first goal? I seem to remember him battling for a long ball and getting it to Douglas, who then released Jack. Might be getting confused though.
But that's the sort of thing I want to see from our strikers; if you're not scoring, at least be a nuisance, don't let the defence relax. We have players that can take advantage of loose balls, so just force the mistakes.
I think he's going to be absolutely fine, and with Keinan back as well and looking dangerous, we all of a sudden have a proper strike force!
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Thought he had a decent debut and fitted well into the team and setup, especially with the amount of time he's been here. Will get fitter and better, match by match, and looks like he will suit us just fine.
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My only issue with him last night was that I thought he was dropping too deep when we were out of possession, which could well have been under instruction. Would have liked to have seen him put the keeper under more pressure as the odd time we did it seemed to work
That was the tactics, to allow their center backs the ball and the time. Fill the midfield and stop them coming through the middle.
and then if they turned back or passed sideways Jack, Ally and AEG all closed as a unit and took away all the space, which led to a few chances. I suspect it's the sort of thing Smith means when he spoke of setting traps.
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From my seat it looked easier to score, but watching the footage from a different angle, he was further from the ball than i originally thought. On the whole I think he looked good.
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I thought he looked ok, has a bit of pace aswell, he tired and I was glad to see Smith replace him with Davis.
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Mainly, he just looked like a proper striker. The 'miss' as said above wasn't as clear cut as it initially looked and it was good to see him attacking the space. I don't think we've had that nearly enough off any of our strikers, or stand in strikers, this season.
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I also thought he looked good I think he will do well for us.
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Haina kufeli!!!
I think Percy reviewed her on the Birmingham Press website.
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Great goal by hkm. Suffered by a lack of quality. Had ti drop deep because we didnt have anyone creating anything
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Well done Sama, only positive.
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Pleased for him, hopefully the first of lots.
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I think we need to learn the right ball for him, as we were too keen in the first half to pump the ball high rather than into the channel.
Good reactions in the box. First of many I hope.
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He is much better than Wesley imo even if that isn't a particularly high bar. Knows how to play the lone striker role anyway.
We really needed this signing in August. Poor from the recruitment side.
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Extremely poor from recruitment if as is suggested he was on the radar in the summer but they decided Wesley was the better bet as a lone striker.... it beggars belief.
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Extremely poor from recruitment if as is suggested he was on the radar in the summer but they decided Wesley was the better bet as a lone striker.... it beggars belief.
Stupid recruitment in the summer with the striker options. Same can be said for sending Chessie to Stoke and reducing the defensive cover options in case of injuries.
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That's two he could have had already. Fingers crossed that we've found a good un.
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Extremely poor from recruitment if as is suggested he was on the radar in the summer but they decided Wesley was the better bet as a lone striker.... it beggars belief.
Stupid recruitment in the summer with the striker options. Same can be said for sending Chessie to Stoke and reducing the defensive cover options in case of injuries.
The only thing id say to that is at least he was on our radar and no-one else has gone in for him so its good scouting if it comes off. As for Chester, I was sorry to see him go because players like that round the dressing room are valuable. We've got Engels back now so Chester would have not made the bench and he needed game time. He may have wanted to go out on loan with the Euro's coming up. I think we owed him that.
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What I liked was when Grealish picked the ball up for the chance that went through the keepers legs, as soon as Jack got the ball Samatta absolutely bust a gut to pull away and find a position in the penalty area for a cross. Wesley would have stood there staring or limbered casually to the edge of the box.
He is hungry for goals and picks up the right positions to find them.
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He does have good movement. He also has tiny shorts. It was like Gary Shaw had picked his and Jack's sizes.
But as he gets sharper, he could prove to be the difference between us getting 12-15 points to stay up.
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Thought that whilst he missed a couple of sitters vrs Leicester midweek, he made some great runs across the box, the sort of runs big wes didn’t seem to understand how to make. Hopefully the goal yesterday will give him confidence and we can get 6 or 7 goals out of him, could make all the difference
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I'm really pleased he's got his first goal for us I like the look of him.
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Thought that whilst he missed a couple of sitters vrs Leicester midweek, he made some great runs across the box, the sort of runs big wes didn’t seem to understand how to make. Hopefully the goal yesterday will give him confidence and we can get 6 or 7 goals out of him, could make all the difference
I get what you’re saying, and don’t disagree with the general point, but 6/7 goals would be a very impressive return given it means basically a goal every other game.
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Thought that whilst he missed a couple of sitters vrs Leicester midweek, he made some great runs across the box, the sort of runs big wes didn’t seem to understand how to make. Hopefully the goal yesterday will give him confidence and we can get 6 or 7 goals out of him, could make all the difference
I get what you’re saying, and don’t disagree with the general point, but 6/7 goals would be a very impressive return given it means basically a goal every other game.
As long as they aren't all consolations like Saturday's one.
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https://twitter.com/Samagoal77_/status/1224215281519775745
Google Translate:
"Football fans in Tanzania know that you love your boy and that I want to make my new team vzr ktk, but I beg you to stop making derogatory or negative comments on ac / teams or players, personally I am not happy."
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What I liked was when Grealish picked the ball up for the chance that went through the keepers legs, as soon as Jack got the ball Samatta absolutely bust a gut to pull away and find a position in the penalty area for a cross. Wesley would have stood there staring or limbered casually to the edge of the box.
He is hungry for goals and picks up the right positions to find them.
I'm not a fan of Wesley, but it's a bit unfair predicting what he 'may' have done when he's hobbling about on crutches and not able to do anything to prove you wrong.
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He just looks a lot more mobile and hungry to get into good positions than Wesley did.
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Extremely poor from recruitment if as is suggested he was on the radar in the summer but they decided Wesley was the better bet as a lone striker.... it beggars belief.
We've signed him.
We don't know what the position was in the summer. Maybe he wasn't available but is now, maybe he was too expensive but now we're forced to cover for Wesley. Maybe lots of different things. Maybe he was on the radar, maybe he wasn't.
But criticising the club for not signing a player, that none of us had heard of, earlier is daft.
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He's got pace, he's instinctive, he seems to find the right space to play in and he's got a good football brain. I hope the rest of the team (esp. Jack, Anwar and perhaps Doug)can develop good on-field relationships with him quickly because if they play the right through balls, he will find them and hurt the opposition.
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He seems like a utter pest. I really like the look of him. He looks great in the air with his head as well something we have lacked from a striker for years. Also like that he has a exceptional first touch.
I must admit he looks a lot better than wesley. But i think play wes behind samatta and we have a good partnership in the making next ywar
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What I liked was when Grealish picked the ball up for the chance that went through the keepers legs, as soon as Jack got the ball Samatta absolutely bust a gut to pull away and find a position in the penalty area for a cross. Wesley would have stood there staring or limbered casually to the edge of the box.
He is hungry for goals and picks up the right positions to find them.
I'm not a fan of Wesley, but it's a bit unfair predicting what he 'may' have done when he's hobbling about on crutches and not able to do anything to prove you wrong.
He had the previous 20+ games to prove me wrong, he's looked shite.
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Wesley will rip the championship up next season.
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Wesley will rip the championship up next season.
Who we selling him to? Winky thing.
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What's this about Mbwana posting on social media that he's not happy with his Tanzanian fans abusing the players and the club and imploring them to stop?
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Some of the new Tanzanian supporters on the FB pages are idiots, criticising Jack for not passing to him enough.
My Tanzanian is a little rusty so I can t say if he has asked them to stop.
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Here: https://twitter.com/Samagoal77_/status/1224215281519775745
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And if it won't translate for you, or your Swahili isn't what it was, goal.com (https://www.goal.com/en-kw/news/please-stop-abusing-aston-villa-my-teammates-samatta/exumasyckmku1aj4iuso1sdjf) have it.
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They should sign up here, they would fit right in.
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They think they have a god given right to criticise players from less skilled vehicle reversing continents, really pisses me off!
Any Samatta gets himself in good positions, could easily have 3 in 2 games, thats very encouraging.
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If you have not seen the ACR or know somebody who has seen the ACR or nearly saw the ACR or thought you nearly saw the ACR the rules of this forum are very clear. You cannot refer to the ACR.
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I just hope Samatta is an African Au Revoir Reverser.
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Just watched his post-match interview on Pravda. Very calm, considered responses. Him and Marvelous have such dreamy voices. If Dave ever does audiobooks of his catalogue of Villa books, could he get these two to narrate them rather than some Brummie (no offence)?
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Jury's out but I'm fairly impressed by what I've seen so far. His work outside of the box is pretty sharp/ no nonsense, appears to have decent pace and the best thing is that he makes good runs/ gets into good positions pretty consistently. Even against Leicester where he missed two very good chances he demonstrated a good understanding of how to get into space in the box, something that Wesley was comically bad at at times.
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Man of the Match today. Excellent hold-up play, vision, strength and distribution. If only our team didn't revolve around one player hogging the ball, he probably would have got on the scoresheet again.
It's going to be a real sickener when we lose him in the summer.
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Why would we lose Samatta in the summer regardless of whether we stay up or get relegated?
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He's had a good start, quite pleased so far.
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I thought he was very impressive today. Always made the defenders work and earned the goal through that. He makes runs and attacks the ball in a way Wesley just never did as well as holding the ball up well. You feel as though if he keeps doing that he will get goals in this league.
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Samatta looks bloody good. No matter qhat division we are in next year keep him and get rid of wesley.
I think he will score shed loads in the championship he looks like a menacing pest
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Looks very good. Intelligent player and great work ethic. Provide the chances and he will score.
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We have a good player here, seems to have good moves, awareness, looks like a very tidy signing to me.
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Samatta looks bloody good. No matter qhat division we are in next year keep him and get rid of wesley.
I think he will score shed loads in the championship he looks like a menacing pest
I'm more concerned with how many goals he will score in the Premier League.
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Samatta looks bloody good. No matter qhat division we are in next year keep him and get rid of wesley.
I think he will score shed loads in the championship he looks like a menacing pest
I'm more concerned with how many goals he will score in the Premier League.
My point being if we do go down he should be kept at all costs
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We have a good player here, seems to have good moves, awareness, looks like a very tidy signing to me.
Indeed, his decision making seems good, it looks like he has good "football brain".
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Thought he played really well yesterday. Quick and sharp, he gets about and gets into good positions too, was right on Alderweireld's shoulder for the first goal. He also held the ball up well and was no pushover in the air. I can't remember him giving the ball away and we looked less effective once he was off the pitch. Think he is more suited to the way we play than Wesley.
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He's looked pretty promising in all his games so far and was very busy yesterday. I'm looking forward to seeing what his finishing is like once he actually gets a few decent chances.
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He's a good player, no doubt. If we do go down i would hope there will be something in place to say that he stays here next season and if so, and as long as he doesn't get a Kodjia type injury he would probably be the best centre forward in that league next season. If we stay up, he looks easily good enough for this league. We need to play the same formation as we have been but with the front three being a player in behind and a front 2. He'll look even better then and i still think Wes could be a good partner for him in that situation if he fully gets over the injury.
At the moment, i'd love to see Grealish get a proper 'free role' to play in behind 2 strikers and drift wide when appropriate.
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He has a good first touch so holds play up well and picks a pass. Also gets into good goal scoring positions. Needs service, but will get a handful of goals before the end of the season I think.
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Massive improvement on Wes
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Really liked the look of him yesterday. Lively, can do the hold up play but also much more instinct for getting into dangerous positions than wes. I think they could actually be a decent front 2.
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Did well Sunday, still getting to terms with the PL, Saturday will be a massive game for him.
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Looks good so far.
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He's a good player, no doubt. If we do go down i would hope there will be something in place to say that he stays here next season and if so, and as long as he doesn't get a Kodjia type injury he would probably be the best centre forward in that league next season. If we stay up, he looks easily good enough for this league. We need to play the same formation as we have been but with the front three being a player in behind and a front 2. He'll look even better then and i still think Wes could be a good partner for him in that situation if he fully gets over the injury.
At the moment, i'd love to see Grealish get a proper 'free role' to play in behind 2 strikers and drift wide when appropriate.
I would expect him to stay if the worst happened.
If Fulham can get Mitrovic to stay down there which I didn't expect then we can tempt someone who is still largely unknown in this country.
Also on a bigger wage now than if he just moved back to Belgium or similar leagues so have to factor that in aswell.
Not worried about losing him at all compared to Grealish obviously and also Mings.
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Good article on him in today's Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8057521/Meet-Titan-Tanzania-Ally-Samatta-wants-thrill-Aston-Villa-faithful-Wembley.html
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Seems a great man. All the comments below are from Tanzania, they love him. One comment rang true:
"A very hard-working player. Fancy him to succeed at Villa. Smith gotta find a way to get him more involved . he's been isolated upfront most of the time."
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I find way too often as a team opponents find a way to spread us way too easily. It leaves huge gaps between all three phases too often and we are exposed in attack and defence. Smith has to find a way to keep our shape much more compact and disciplined. It will provide us with more rigidity when defending and as the comment above suggests, not leave our lone striker isolated when we attack. And when as a team we do get spread out we then end up chasing the ball and become exhausted and exposed late on in games.
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I find way too often as a team opponents find a way to spread us way too easily. It leaves huge gaps between all three phases too often and we are exposed in attack and defence. Smith has to find a way to keep our shape much more compact and disciplined. It will provide us with more rigidity when defending and as the comment above suggests, not leave our lone striker isolated when we attack. And when as a team we do get spread out we then end up chasing the ball and become exhausted and exposed late on in games.
I wouldn't have Trez or AEG timorrow, but I would have Jack playing close behind Samatta.
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I find way too often as a team opponents find a way to spread us way too easily. It leaves huge gaps between all three phases too often and we are exposed in attack and defence. Smith has to find a way to keep our shape much more compact and disciplined. It will provide us with more rigidity when defending and as the comment above suggests, not leave our lone striker isolated when we attack. And when as a team we do get spread out we then end up chasing the ball and become exhausted and exposed late on in games.
I wouldn't have Trez or AEG timorrow, but I would have Jack playing close behind Samatta.
Pack the midfield, Jack behind Samatta.
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I find way too often as a team opponents find a way to spread us way too easily. It leaves huge gaps between all three phases too often and we are exposed in attack and defence. Smith has to find a way to keep our shape much more compact and disciplined. It will provide us with more rigidity when defending and as the comment above suggests, not leave our lone striker isolated when we attack. And when as a team we do get spread out we then end up chasing the ball and become exhausted and exposed late on in games.
I wouldn't have Trez or AEG timorrow, but I would have Jack playing close behind Samatta.
Let's be honest, we signed Trez because he came from Nassef Sawiris' Egypt and A&E because he was a cheap squad filler. I've no problem with that providing we'd have signed a proper winger; we didn't, thus two deadbeats in the team. Playing every game with ten men and people question why we're so shit and about to be relegated..
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What a little ray of sunshine you are
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Thanks. Samatta is our secret weapon today. I can feel it in my water.
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Thanks. Samatta is our secret weapon today. I can feel it in my water.
As he’s our main striker I’m not sure he’s much of a secret, but maybe Barry will selected and be that exactly...
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I did try and accost a guy in a Tanzania short the other day by shouting Samagoal but he didn’t hear me in the crowd. I do hope your water is bang on btw.
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Thanks. Samatta is our secret weapon today. I can feel it in my water.
As he’s our main striker I’m not sure he’s much of a secret, but maybe Barry will selected and be that exactly...
What I mean is nobody knows much about him, even us. It's a bit hard to plan your defence against an unknown striker. He will score today!
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A superb goal today but the issue continues to be chance creation. He can clearly score goals and will be an asset to us if we stay up or go down. But we simply have to find ways to put him in good positions to score. And we just don’t do that nearly enough right now.
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Love this player he’s gonna be a legend.
Agree about delivery. Now we have a proper CF who can get into attacking positions and score headers and all sorts of crazy things like that, we can probably go back the tactics that were unsuccessful with Wesley up front. I’d like to see Elmo start there in the league as his delivery is so good, plus he has the balls for a regelation fight.
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He'll score 20 + if the worst happens next season. Think back to the easy goals Tammy would tap in from crosses last year, championship teams aren't good defending crosses.
If we'd signed him in August we'd be over 30 points so that will be one of the frustrations of the season.
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What a steal. He’s great and will only get better
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Makes you wonder if he was even a target last summer or only came onto our radar with his contract running down in January?
Bet Brugge couldn't believe their luck when they saw 20m + coming their way for Wesley so guess Genk didn't want to sell him last summer but really our season would've been much more comfortable as you can just tell he knows how to play the lone forward role with the runs he makes and holding the ball up pretty well.
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What a steal. He’s great and will only get better
Simply miles better than Wesley. As soon as that cross came in from AEG you just knew he wouldn't miss. Good touch and speed. I do think we will need to try Davis and him up top at times for the rest of the season. Davis hold up play is immense.
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You do wonder if we'd be doing a fair bit better if we'd bought him in the summer.
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It's a pity he took him off. Might have been useful for that corner we won.
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He's facing many of the same problems as Wes. Being isolated. Constantly being played the wrong sort of ball when we're starting attacks and getting very limited service. I think the big difference though, is how much sharper he looks, when we do get into useful positions, he looks like he wants to attack good areas, whereas Wes had a habit of not being in the right place. Plus as far as finishing, his two goals were very clinically taken (and Wesley fluffed his lines a lot). He's been unlucky too. An inch away from a goal against Leicester, and the Spurs Own goal he'd have tucked away if it had got past the defender.
I'd like to see him playing with Davis.
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No question in my mind be much higher up the table if we’d had him from the off instead of wes. He’s just much more natural in attacking positions and he can actually score with his head, plus he can do all the other stuff Wes can.
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No question in my mind be much higher up the table if we’d had him from the off instead of wes. He’s just much more natural in attacking positions and he can actually score with his head, plus he can do all the other stuff Wes can.
He's way more mobile and attacks the ball/near post. Wes tends to hand back and wait for it on a plate
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He just looks like someone who will score goals more regularly than Wesley.
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Bang. One chance, no qualms.
Get him and Davis together, smash our way to safety.
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He plays like a center forward. Wesley doesn't.
I like him, I think he's got the scorers instinct and will score goals in the Championship next season, should it come to that. If not he's not a bad option in the Premier League.
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Wes is more of a hold up player likely to be facing towards his own goal and bringing others into play where as Samatta more forward facing.However they both have same issue of lack of support around them
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Let’s get some crosses onto Samatta’s head in the remainder of the season.
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Let’s get some crosses onto Samatta’s head in the remainder of the season.
This. AEG did get a nice cross in.
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He did and it was a belter.
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Keep him at all costs no matter what league we are in
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Again he was top notch today. Keep for sure. I know old school 442 is out of fashion but I can’t help feeling that him and one of Wes or Davis would bag a hatful together.
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I’d like to see him and Wes up front next season, I think they’d work together very well
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I’d like to see him and Wes up front next season, I think they’d work together very well
I think wes behind samatta has the potential to be a great partnership.
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Ally will score goals but so frustrating how little we create for him. Did he have any chances yesterday other than the header ?
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I’d like to see him and Wes up front next season, I think they’d work together very well
Yep; definitely agree with you.
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Ally will score goals but so frustrating how little we create for him. Did he have any chances yesterday other than the header ?
Don’t think so. Wouldn’t judge him, or the team, to harshly on that given the opposition though - I reckon they average very few shots conceded per game.
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I really like him, great attitude, runs off the ball Happy to put his body between defender and ball.
Great finish yesterday.
I think our crossing is not making the most out of his ability.
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unfortunately for him both his goals have been scored in losing games but he does look useful and a definite goal threat when given the service which has not been great up till now
the other thing I noticed about both his goals was his eagerness to get the ball out of the net and get going again
No showboating around milking the applause just a determination to kick off and get back to business
good team ethic I thought
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He will be great for us, and has already shown a lot more in his few games then Wesley did before his unfortunate injury.
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Looks good in front of goal, hasn't been given many chances but looks like he knows where the net is. Could be a real star next season.
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I really like what I have seen so far, we need to make sure he's not isolated.
Diving headers are football porn.
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He’s much better than Wesley.
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well he can head a ball for starters. How did we sign a big CF that couldn't head a ball? Isn't that on page one of the job description?
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It does make you wonder how exactly we scouted forwards from Belgium in the summer and somebody thought spending triple the price on Wesley was the better option!
Even more worrying is that thought was then agreed with by the powers that be.
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Wesley was 22 when he signed, Samatta was 27. The strategy in the summer was 'good now, better later' so Samatta, 26 at the time, was probably slightly outside our range.
Alternatively we may have been trying to sign him but just couldn't get it done, or someone else similar.
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Cracking header. Can’t remember a better one in recent years for us. I thought he was well involved in the game too and did well overall. Definitely rate him. Imagine the scenes in Tanzania when that hit the back of the net!
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Wesley was 22 when he signed, Samatta was 27. The strategy in the summer was 'good now, better later' so Samatta, 26 at the time, was probably slightly outside our range.
Alternatively we may have been trying to sign him but just couldn't get it done, or someone else similar.
Probably should have bought both at the same time!
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Whatever else happens in our final 11 games this season, Samatta (2 goals in 5 appearances) has to play the full 90+ minutes in each game. It is no good substituting a proven goalscorer with an unproven goalscorer. If Davis or Borja have to come on then it must not be at the expence of Samatta, but alongside him in a 2 up front formation.
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Wesley was 22 when he signed, Samatta was 27. The strategy in the summer was 'good now, better later' so Samatta, 26 at the time, was probably slightly outside our range.
Alternatively we may have been trying to sign him but just couldn't get it done, or someone else similar.
Probably should have bought both at the same time!
As my 2nd line says I suspect that's what they wanted to do, either they couldn't get an agreement at the time or they had someone else in mind and when that fell through they didn't have time to anything else.
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Whatever else happens in our final 11 games this season, Samatta (2 goals in 5 appearances) has to play the full 90+ minutes in each game. It is no good substituting a proven goalscorer with an unproven goalscorer. If Davis or Borja have to come on then it must not be at the expence of Samatta, but alongside him in a 2 up front formation.
Nail on the head. He's a goalscorer, so there's always a chance for goal while he's on the pitch.
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Whatever else happens in our final 11 games this season, Samatta (2 goals in 5 appearances) has to play the full 90+ minutes in each game. It is no good substituting a proven goalscorer with an unproven goalscorer. If Davis or Borja have to come on then it must not be at the expence of Samatta, but alongside him in a 2 up front formation.
Nail on the head. He's a goalscorer, so there's always a chance for goal while he's on the pitch.
Exactly what I was screaming on Sunday. I still don't get it now!
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It does make you wonder how exactly we scouted forwards from Belgium in the summer and somebody thought spending triple the price on Wesley was the better option!
Even more worrying is that thought was then agreed with by the powers that be.
Like an above poster has aaid i think its age and the potentail he could become a brazil international
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Guaranteed legendary status if his goals secure our PL status this season.
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Looking forward to him playing a starring role up front. Because he gonna have to play a big part
Think he has shown very decent movement and play as well as some nice goals.
He was just getting there with his fitness but then football had to stop.
I do wonder where he'll be at levels because he was playing catch up but then in many respects he'll be getting up to speed like the rest of the premier league stars from every club.
Think he could be very special for us for goals let's go Sama goal !
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Is Borja still with us or how does his loan work?
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Is Borja still with us or how does his loan work?
He isn't on loan. We just took on the rest of his contract which runs out at the end of the season.
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Disappointing header today. It was a very good chance, and to miss the target altogether, well, I'm just glad it didn't cost us on the day. Moved well, harried and hassled, but ffs start banging chances away!
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There's still players who just don't look like they've clicked after the break and he's one. He looked more of a threat after we signed him.
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He needs better service overall. Yes he should have done better with the header but overall our cross was average at best. Especially from the left. Conor’s left foot wasn’t at its best.
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I thought our crosses from open play were decent but our crosses from set pieces were naff.
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He drives like he plays football, poorly. He came out of the Belfry up to Dunton Island and then swerved across 2 lanes cutting up me and nearly hitting a bloke in a camper van to get on the M42.
Twat.
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He drives like he plays football, poorly. He came out of the Belfry up to Dunton Island and then swerved across 2 lanes cutting up me and nearly hitting a bloke in a camper van to get on the M42.
Twat.
A few years back Ian Rush (same as Samatta) did the same to me by Salford Bridge. I wanted to head up Gravelly Hill and the lethally prolific goalscorer (unlike Samatta) cut right across me to get on the M6 north.
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He was awful again today. Basically we won with 10 men
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We have by far the worst attacking options in the top flight. In fact there are probably quite a few championship clubs with better strikers than we have to choose from.
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Scores the winner at West Ham and goes down in Villa folklore
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I can't believe Smith started with him after the Palace game. If you manage to win playing with 10 men, you don't fucking try to repeat the trick next game.
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I wonder if he’s another who misses the drama of the crowd. He was such a favourite at his last club and they made one hell of a racket with his chant.
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No bottle and shit, I wonder if that what was written on his cv?
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No bottle and shit,
Is that the sequel to one man one cup?
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Looked a headless chicken yesterday. Devoid of any confidence whatsoever...not ideal in a scrap really.
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He's not exactly helping the cause but I'm willing to give him some slack.
You've got to remember he landed in a new country with a completely different culture and language and within 2 months the country was locked down.
On a personal level I can imagine the last six months have been incredibly difficult for him.
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He's not exactly helping the cause but I'm willing to give him some slack.
You've got to remember he landed in a new country with a completely different culture and language and within 2 months the country was locked down.
On a personal level I can imagine the last six months have been incredibly difficult for him.
That's fair enough, but don't keep playing him in that case. I'm all for keeping a winning team but unless he's a lucky mascot, there was absolutely no sane reason he kept his place for Everton. And he was rotten again. Not that Davis is any better. We have midfielders who whatever their other deficiencies can create and get on the end of chances. Stick Davis in midfield if need be as he does contribute in the build-up, but don't keep playing two forwards who are not gonna score if we play till christmas
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You would therefore think that football would be his release. They are very privileged are footballers and effort and hard work should come naturally. That said, if I had Trezeguet as one of my main sources of service, I would probably just give up. Grealish was really greedy too yesterday.
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You would therefore think that football would be his release. They are very privileged are footballers and effort and hard work should come naturally. That said, if I had Trezeguet as one of my main sources of service, I would probably just give up. Grealish was really greedy too yesterday.
Plus Davis is the only other Cf option. No too many choices for DS when you consider our 4 attackers
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nothing disguises the fact that our investment in forwards this season has been shambolic.
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Exactly. The problem isn't Samatta.
The problem is that we're having to rely on Samatta.
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As I said in the match thread, he seemed to be playing in slow motion, seeming to really overthink everything he was doing and then telegraphing what decision he made.
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As I said in the match thread, he seemed to be playing in slow motion, seeming to really overthink everything he was doing and then telegraphing what decision he made.
That's confidence for you.
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I’m surprised at how poor his heading is. His technique and decision making is woeful.
As his goal threat is zero like Davis , I would play Davis ahead of him for the last two as there is so much more to the lad’s play and we may as well tune him up for Div2 now.
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It was like playing with 9 men with him and Trez.
The amount of times they lost possession was criminal.
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It was like playing with 9 men with him and Trez.
The amount of times they lost possession was criminal.
That's been the problem all season really.
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As I said in the match thread, he seemed to be playing in slow motion, seeming to really overthink everything he was doing and then telegraphing what decision he made.
That's confidence for you.
Yep, it's actually quite upsetting to watch because he's definitely a better player than this but he looks completely lost right now.
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There wasn't much wrong with his header in the cup final. I suspect he may be more of a penalty box type striker, does anyone know from his time in Belgium? The tell tale sign when a strikers confidence is on the floor is when they start drifting to the wings away from danger. That's Samatta all over at the moment. Except when he moves to the wings his hold up play isn't good enough. His movement generally isn't. Just hope in terms of style we haven't landed on another Scott Hogan type player.
At least when Davis came on, he moved onto their young centre half and used his power to bully him. Simple but very effective and it helped our midfielders and even our defence as the out ball was always there. Davis has been so close to getting a number of goals but simply has to start hitting the net. Davis when fit will have his uses in the championship with likes of Hourihane playing off him.
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He drives like he plays football, poorly. He came out of the Belfry up to Dunton Island and then swerved across 2 lanes cutting up me and nearly hitting a bloke in a camper van to get on the M42.
Twat.
I saw him trying to back into a space in the player's car park once. He was really struggling.
He's the second useless African Car Reverser I've seen outside Villa Park.
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Apparently he's made 11 league appearances for us and managed one shot on target.
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That many? I must have been having a piss when he managed that.
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Apparently he's made 11 league appearances for us and managed one shot on target.
I presume this is shots with the foot rather than headers?
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Pre lockdown, he was looking OK, still settling in, but a definite goal threat.
Now he’s like the reincarnation of Tony Cascarino.
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He needs to be dropped and dont stick Davis in his place either. Id rather have AEG missing sitters upfront because at least he'll be actually there to miss them.
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Don't agree, what Davis can do that Samatta can't is hold the ball up, Davis looks to me like a very good prospect that's been badly coached. I remember the first time he cam on in a game he bullied the defence, have not seen that since.
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Don't agree, what Davis can do that Samatta can't is hold the ball up, Davis looks to me like a very good prospect that's been badly coached. I remember the first time he cam on in a game he bullied the defence, have not seen that since.
He can do that in midfield or behind a front man. I agree he does hold the ball up well but putting the ball in the net?. He's never gonna be a goal scorer imo
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Don't agree, what Davis can do that Samatta can't is hold the ball up, Davis looks to me like a very good prospect that's been badly coached. I remember the first time he cam on in a game he bullied the defence, have not seen that since.
He can do that in midfield or behind a front man I agree he does hold the ball up well but putting the ball in the net?. He's never gonna be goal scorer imo
The Footystats and Infogol websites list Davis as a midfielder.
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Don't agree, what Davis can do that Samatta can't is hold the ball up, Davis looks to me like a very good prospect that's been badly coached. I remember the first time he cam on in a game he bullied the defence, have not seen that since.
He can do that in midfield or behind a front man I agree he does hold the ball up well but putting the ball in the net?. He's never gonna be goal scorer imo
The Footystats and Infogol websites list Davis as a midfielder.
Well there you go. I agree. I dont think Davis is universally shit, but i can't for the life of me see how he's ever gonna forge a career by scoring goals
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Don't agree, what Davis can do that Samatta can't is hold the ball up, Davis looks to me like a very good prospect that's been badly coached. I remember the first time he cam on in a game he bullied the defence, have not seen that since.
He can do that in midfield or behind a front man I agree he does hold the ball up well but putting the ball in the net?. He's never gonna be goal scorer imo
The Footystats and Infogol websites list Davis as a midfielder.
Well there you go. I agree. I dont think Davis is universally shit, but i can't for the life of me see how he's ever gonna forge a career by scoring goals
Defends the ball well when in possession, finds teammates, no slouch when he has to move, all qualities many of our midfielders of the last decade have lacked.
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Don't agree, what Davis can do that Samatta can't is hold the ball up, Davis looks to me like a very good prospect that's been badly coached. I remember the first time he cam on in a game he bullied the defence, have not seen that since.
He can do that in midfield or behind a front man I agree he does hold the ball up well but putting the ball in the net?. He's never gonna be goal scorer imo
The Footystats and Infogol websites list Davis as a midfielder.
Well there you go. I agree. I dont think Davis is universally shit, but i can't for the life of me see how he's ever gonna forge a career by scoring goals
Defends the ball well when in possession, finds teammates, no slouch when he has to move, all qualities many of our midfielders of the last decade have lacked.
He joined us as a midfielder. We could do with some physicality in the middle, we’re at the stage where a gamble like playing him is worth a shot.
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Don't agree, what Davis can do that Samatta can't is hold the ball up, Davis looks to me like a very good prospect that's been badly coached. I remember the first time he cam on in a game he bullied the defence, have not seen that since.
He can do that in midfield or behind a front man I agree he does hold the ball up well but putting the ball in the net?. He's never gonna be goal scorer imo
The Footystats and Infogol websites list Davis as a midfielder.
Well there you go. I agree. I dont think Davis is universally shit, but i can't for the life of me see how he's ever gonna forge a career by scoring goals
I'd try him wide. Gives you an out ball, might get a bit more space coming in and is a good enough player to play out there, and give you an option. He is never, ever going to be a striker, just no instinct for scoring goals.
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Playing Davis seems to me like the last 5 mins of a game when you’re losing so the centre half goes and plays up front. The chances of them scoring are remote, but you just want them to cause havoc with the opposing defence.
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At least Samba scored one when stuck up front.
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Given the context, I don't think we can judge him yet, although it doesn't look great.
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The jury is back in, the verdict = he’s crap
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The jury is back in, the verdict = he’s crap
3 Champions League goals in 6 matches earlier this season would suggest otherwise.
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Just a shame we’re not in the Champions League, really.
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The jury is back in, the verdict = he’s crap
3 Champions League goals in 6 matches earlier this season would suggest otherwise.
wonder if he'll be playing in the champions league next season?
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Just a shame we’re not in the Champions League, really.
Or giving him a similar level of service
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No striker who needs it laid on a plate for him is going to do well at the Villa.
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No striker who needs it laid on a plate for him is going to do well at the Villa.
Well Benteke did just fine here as did Bent and neither played in a team that were laying out any plates but they weren't living off scraps from them. What they had was wide players that could deliver in this league, unfortunately ours have struggled.
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I'd just like to give a bit of faint praise to Samatta for his part in the goal. It looks like he knew Trezeguet was behind him and blocked the defender's first attempt to get past which probably gave Trezeguet enough of a gap to shoot through.
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Reportd that Fenerbahçe S.K. are preparing to make a loan offer for Mbwana Samatta.
Let's see how true and guess if he feature tonight?
Davis signing a new deal and forwards being sign seems to leave Samatta out of the claret and blue
Begs a thought to why didn't we just loan him in January. Than buy.
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It's for the best if he moves on.
he's shit and won't get games.
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I wouldn't be so hasty to get rid, at least not until the January window, when Wesley should be back.
Because with people calling for Davis to go out on loan (which I disagree with too), Wes injured, Samatta shipped out, that leaves us with only Watkins and the kids up front.
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not necessarily - if Rashica comes in and bert signs we have players who can rotate, and one of Samatta or Davis will go, probably on loan as i don't see Samatta commanding a fee and we won't sell Davis.
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Smethwick are trying to sign him.
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Indy has joined Burton. With Ally also seemingly on the way I can see one or two players coming in up top. It would be foolish to leave a young untried striker as our main choice with KD (we tried that). So can see two experienced forwards coming in or at least one with one promising forward. Would be ace if it was someone like Tammy, but I could see Josh King and Brewster.
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Smethwick are trying to sign him.
Superb!
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I actually think Samatta is one who may do well elsewhere and haunt us. Not that we shouldn't still sell him.
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We left ourselves light up top last season so I'd rather get players in before moving him on.
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I actually think Samatta is one who may do well elsewhere and haunt us. Not that we shouldn't still sell him.
When he first arrived he looked like an intelligent player who made good runs and I thought with time he would be pretty useful.
Lockdown must have been difficult for him, he'd only just come to the country and 3 months alone in a new place under such weird circumstances must have been tough. After the restart he seemed willing but just not good enough. We can't really afford to play him into form, but I would have been interested to see how he would have developed this season. I guess it will always be what might have been for him but I agree we need to move on.
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Like several players last season, he didn't perform too well. He scored a good goal in the cup final but like all the new players with Belgian connections, he struggled.
A loan out might be a good move as if he does well, it may help to recover some more of the fee we forked out.
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people are being very nasty on here using words like shit and crap to describe Samatta
he's neither of those
he's not good enough for a club with our ambitions now it's as simple as that
a move is best for everyone
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I think he'll probably go out on-loan and we'll keep our options open based on him building-up some form and our future needs.
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people are being very nasty on here using words like shit and crap to describe Samatta
he's neither of those
he's not good enough for a club with our ambitions now it's as simple as that
a move is best for everyone
This. Samatta doesn't deserve any ire - been a really weird season for him. Not the right player at all in January, an impossible task to carry our entire goal threat in a misfiring team while adjusting to a much better league halfway through the season and that's before dealing with lockdown in a new country.
I thought he looked great against spurs, guy clearly has talent.
Also, zero attitude off him and he's never looked like he's giving less than 100% unlike most of our unsuccessful signings.
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If the Bitter want him then it's the standard Summer 2020 £20 million price tag, or fuck off.
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We are giving up on him too soon I think.
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We are giving up on him too soon I think.
I'm inclined to agree. I'd hang on to him until at least January and then decide.
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We are giving up on him too soon I think.
I'm inclined to agree. I'd hang on to him until at least January and then decide.
He needs to play so we can see if he's up to it. If he's not going to get regular games for us then I'd prefer a loan to an English team for the year. I just wish the baggies weren't the club asking for him.
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I like him, I think he could become a very good player for us, even if not an automatic starter. We have signed many players over the last few years, especially from overseas, who haven't immediately shone and have been let go, only to quickly show their worth once they've gone. He needs to be given some time to become a good'un with us.
And if he is to be got rid of, it it absolutely should not be to a club in the premier league who may be a candidate for relegation this season!
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If the Bitter want him then it's the standard Summer 2020 £20 million price tag, or fuck off.
Bloody right.
Was reading earlier that Palace are selling Sorloth, who's been utter garbage since joining them but had a good season in Turkey last year. They had an agreement with Fenerbahce that they had him for this season with an option to buy next year for £5m, but Leipzig want him so are paying £20m now and Palace are splitting it 50-50 with Fenerbahce.
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We are giving up on him too soon I think.
I agree. He came in at a time when we were on our knees and he had to settle into a new country. That alone should buy him some time. If you add in Covid and lockdown it seems incredibly early to write him off.
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The player who played for us in those early league games (Bournemouth, Tottingham at home) and in the cup against Leicester and Citeh looked a world away from the player post lockdown.
I would put that down to lockdown in a foreign country and our uber defensive (vaguely Pulis approach) after June. For me he's worth persisting with if we're trying to play a more expansive game again.
But if he was never Smudger's choice from the outset and he believes he can get better in let's see how it plays out.
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I'd sell if we can get our money back
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I'd keep Samatta for this coming season unless there's an offer of £20m or so to bring in a replacement. What with the compressed fixture list and Wes out of action until at least Christmas, think we'll need him around the squad.
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I bet we'll loan.
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I bet we'll loan.
I wish we had in the first place
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Letting him go is a clear indication, if it were needed, that another striker is already in the bag. If we can recoup our money on him, then I think it’s good business. Shame it hasn’t worked out for him here, but there you go.
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With the amount of fixtures we are likely to play in a short space of time i’d be keeping him.
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With the amount of fixtures we are likely to play in a short space of time i’d be keeping him.
we played a lot of fixtures in an even shorter amount of time at the re-start and he was a waste of space
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We should keep him this season unless he really fancies a relegation fight with FTA.
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We should only sell for what we paid imo, any loan I’d make sure they have to buy next summer and make the fee depend and on how he does.
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With the amount of fixtures we are likely to play in a short space of time i’d be keeping him.
we played a lot of fixtures in an even shorter amount of time at the re-start and he was a waste of space
Yes, he looked pretty average last season but getting better service into the box would undoubtedly help him. I'm no great fan of his, but we bought him for some reason or other and maybe in a squad role he will feel less pressure and add to a game in the last 20 minutes.
Davis should be the one going out on loan. Maybe sell Samatta in January when Wes has got back up to speed.
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He looked a pretty decent finisher and his movement in the box was ok but his play outside the box wasn't good enough for a single striker, which is the way we will play.
I'd cut our losses and upgrade.
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Have we ever ditched a striker with as many appearances in such a short period of time ?
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Have we ever ditched a striker with as many appearances in such a short period of time ?
The appearances were accrued because we didn't have any other choice.
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What did we pay for him?
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Have we ever ditched a striker with as many appearances in such a short period of time ?
The appearances were accrued because we didn't have any other choice.
I'm just curious, not throwing shade.
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What did we pay for him?
Too much.
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What did we pay for him?
It was reported at £8.5 million.
Could have got Callum Robinson as cheaper and he knows his way round !
Paying that much for a player who we let go four years earlier for nothing would have been ridiculous. Besides, he didn't last very long at Sheffield United.
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Neither Callum nor Mbwana are good enough for where we wanna be (11th right? Wahooo).
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What did we pay for him?
It was reported at £8.5 million.
Could have got Callum Robinson as cheaper and he knows his way round !
Paying that much for a player who we let go four years earlier for nothing would have been ridiculous. Besides, he didn't last very long at Sheffield United.
Oh I was saying could have got Robinson instead of Samatta for around little less at 8 million and would have been more effective to the way Villa wanted to play including pressing from the front and pace up front.
I watch PNE a lot as is my closest team up here. Robinson was good for them, but would be no better than Samatta at our level. Didn't do anything at Sheff Utd.
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What did we pay for him?
It was reported at £8.5 million.
Could have got Callum Robinson as cheaper and he knows his way round !
Paying that much for a player who we let go four years earlier for nothing would have been ridiculous. Besides, he didn't last very long at Sheffield United.
United did it to the tune of 90m, the raging shithouses.
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Seeing people talk about how we would accept 15 million for him, I don’t see any reason why anyone would pay more for him now, than what we did originally. Ok he’s slightly more acclimatised to the UK, which reduces the risk for another club taking him on, but he also hasn’t done anything of note to improve the valuation.
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No real interest from WBA they want Grant from Huddersfield.
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No interest from WBA as a retired fat Roman Bednar would be a better option.
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Reports suggest he is joining Fernabache on loan with an obliged transfer next summer. Best for all parties, decent player but not suited to our system and will do elsewhere. Leaves us needing another striker.
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#announceAbraham
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#announceAbraham
#announce Eduard
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announce Robbie Keane
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#Announce Juninho
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#announceAbraham
No point now as Watkins is a very similar player. Now if you had said Odsonne Edouard I'd say you're on to something though I can't see Celtic selling him despite having 4 strikers.
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#announceBenniMcCarthy
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Gone to Fenerbache judging by him being itsotp in a yellow and black stripey number on Twitter.
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Ah well.
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Thought we'd loan out Davis instead. Thought Ally looked decent in his first few games but looked way out of things from restart for whatever reason.
Intrigued to see who we get as a new striker now, haven't seen any real links since we signed Watkins.
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Haven't seen many links for a while in general, seems to have gone quiet.
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Gone to Fenerbache judging by him being itsotp in a yellow and black stripey number on Twitter.
Where have you seen this, done a search on Twitter but can't see anything.
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Gone to Fenerbache judging by him being itsotp in a yellow and black stripey number on Twitter.
Where have you seen this, done a search on Twitter but can't see anything.
Yep all gone now. Why do people do it and it was a normally reliable Villa feed as well.
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It's a weird old place, Twitter!!
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That must surely need another striker incoming?
Obviously, Keinan's new deal is like a new signing etc etc
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It's a weird old place, Twitter!!
Or a cesspool of bile and hatred in the main.
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https://twitter.com/mshambuliaji/status/1308464669703761923?s=20
That seems genuine ?
I detest twatter too.
I tend to follow #avfc for the transfer gossip and bullshit during the transfer windows and then close my account when the window shuts.
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bit disappointed if true. I think given a full season to adjust he could have been a 10-15 goal a season striker for us and i'm surprised Smith has that little faith in his own judgement really*
*not really.
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I hope it is a genuine account. Samatta lacks what it takes for the Premier Division, not quick enough, not powerful enough, not good enough movement. It also means that we have another striker coming in as we wouldn't be so stupid as to repeat last season, would we? Josh King?
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A shame in a way. A lot was made, by him and the club, of how he was the first Tanzanian to play in the Prem. He would have worn that badge proudly so I'm a little surprised that he's "given up" so quickly. But if Dean was honest with him about his chances, maybe Samatta had little choice (apart from doing a Lansbury and train for pay I guess).
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I think he’s been a bit of a victim of circumstance. Parachuted in late in January to a poor performing side not scoring goals, scarcely found his bearings and into lockdown for months, presumably without knowing many folks in his new surroundings. He undoubtedly didn’t look up to scratch when football restated but I thought we might persist with him.
We surely, surely have to have another striker coming in to replace him.
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Has he gone or loan?
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He’s not going anywhere according to his dad. No offers from anyone.
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https://twitter.com/mshambuliaji/status/1308464669703761923?s=20
That seems genuine ?
I detest twatter too.
I tend to follow #avfc for the transfer gossip and bullshit during the transfer windows and then close my account when the window shuts.
That’s pretty much the story I found yesterday except someone had translated it.
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What ever offer is received I hope he stays, nice bloke and that is what the football club needs
Dont forget that goal he scored in cup final - class finish
Hopefully he will still be here in 3 years time
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He's a nice young man, he's a lovely smile
Give him a ball and a yard of grass
He'll give you a move with a perfect pass
Give him a ball and a yard of space
He'll give you a move with goodly grace
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What ever offer is received I hope he stays, nice bloke and that is what the football club needs
Dont forget that goal he scored in cup final - class finish
Hopefully he will still be here in 3 years time
We need 'nice blokes'? Even if they're rubbish?
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What ever offer is received I hope he stays, nice bloke and that is what the football club needs
Dont forget that goal he scored in cup final - class finish
Hopefully he will still be here in 3 years time
We need 'nice blokes'? Even if they're rubbish?
Even you could have been a contender with those rules Leeb
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Confirmed that he is in Turkey and will likely complete his move to Fenerbache tomorrow.
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Good business to get rid of him so soon and by getting money for him.
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Good business to get rid of him so soon and by getting money for him.
I agree, no point him sitting around drawing wages and losing value.
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Good business to get rid of him so soon and by getting money for him.
I agree, no point him sitting around drawing wages and losing value.
Agreed as well, good to see the club realising it hasn't worked and moving quickly to sort it out.
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Patently not good enough.
WTF was Suso thinking?
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Patently not good enough.
WTF was Suso thinking?
He really couldn't have ballsed the forwards situation up last season more if he'd tried.
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While it is perhaps a bit unfair to judge him on one very strange half season in English football, I don't think there's much about him (other than one decent goal at Wembley) to suggest he's going to turn into a Premier League quality striker. If we can get a decent portion of what we paid for him back then selling is logical.
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I have no problem with him being sold, there doesn't look much there but I am fearful of going into the season short of goals again.
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Well I haven't seen any confirmation from a reliable source that this is happening. Usually if a premiership transfer is happening you at least get a briefing from Man U letting the press know that they were never interested in the player.
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Patently not good enough.
WTF was Suso thinking?
Prior to lockdown I thought he seemed to be doing ok but after the restart he just did not seem up to it.
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I have no problem with him being sold, there doesn't look much there but I am fearful of going into the season short of goals again.
Totally agree I thought we needed a great signing to compete with our current crop and we got that but if he goes surely we need another dynamic 9 and not rely on wingers scoring !?!? Curious if we’re left shirt again
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I know we need to trim the squad, but unless there's another striker up our sleeve then I'd prefer to keep him until at least Wes' return.
To be fair he looked bight when he first joined and judgng a player new to the country on 10 games after a 3 month lockdown is pretty harsh.
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There are truly insane Samatta fans out there on Facebook, the same ones (presumably from his native country) who flooded our pages when we signed him and absolutely gushing over him - and now they are to a man offended and full of insults because we look like off loading him. One nonsense remark I read is how he saved our season. Yeah. Right. Ok.
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Well to be fair he's saved this season. Smith wouldn't have bought a striker if he hadn't have stunk the place out.
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If he goes out on loan or we sell him, can we start posting puns?
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There are truly insane Samatta fans out there on Facebook, the same ones (presumably from his native country) who flooded our pages when we signed him and absolutely gushing over him - and now they are to a man offended and full of insults because we look like off loading him. One nonsense remark I read is how he saved our season. Yeah. Right. Ok.
I don't know where we'd be without those two goals he scored in games we lost.
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He started well and tailed off very quickly. He can’t be shit given his history and the goal in the cup final shows he has ability. But sometimes it doesn’t work. I hope he is a resounding success in Turkey and we are watching his be a success again in European competition. Good luck to him but it is best if we move on.
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I know we need to trim the squad, but unless there's another striker up our sleeve then I'd prefer to keep him until at least Wes' return.
Traore played as a central striker for Lyon for a bit didn’t he? Maybe he would be the back up option.
The problem we have with moving players on is that most of the ones we would be happiest to see leave (Lansbury, Jota etc) probably don’t have anywhere near the interest as players like Samatta and Guilbert, who, while they would be more useful squad players, would enable us to generate some money by selling/loaning them.
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There are truly insane Samatta fans out there on Facebook, the same ones (presumably from his native country) who flooded our pages when we signed him and absolutely gushing over him - and now they are to a man offended and full of insults because we look like off loading him. One nonsense remark I read is how he saved our season. Yeah. Right. Ok.
I don't know where we'd be without those two goals he scored in games we lost.
Haha. His fans are beyond irritating. For a short period there were a number of them attacking Grealish on every twitter post for not passing. Bizarre.
He didn't pass to your precious Samagoal because he was pretty shit.
But good luck to him. If it's a loan, I hope he fires them in, comes back, and actually does something constructive.
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Not sure how credible the source is but i just saw this
http://sportwitness.co.uk/club-inform-stock-market-talks-sign-aston-villa-player-medical-started/
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I know we need to trim the squad, but unless there's another striker up our sleeve then I'd prefer to keep him until at least Wes' return.
Traore played as a central striker for Lyon for a bit didn’t he? Maybe he would be the back up option.
The problem we have with moving players on is that most of the ones we would be happiest to see leave (Lansbury, Jota etc) probably don’t have anywhere near the interest as players like Samatta and Guilbert, who, while they would be more useful squad players, would enable us to generate some money by selling/loaning them.
This. Absolutely this.
Personally, I'm quite comfortable with going in to this season with Watkins, Davies, Traore, and Wesley as our central striker options, then Grealish, Traore (again), Watkins (again), AEG, and Trez playing out wide. That's 7 forward players, which is about the right proportion for a squad of 25. If we bring in another then it'll be a case of shifting one of those (probably AEG or Trez) out too, before they get to a point when we can't sell them for love nor money.
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Nice guy, works hard and started well before fading fast.He is definitely on the list of players we can easily live without. I would hope that this allows us to bring in another forward soon as we will be very short on numbers up front again. Don't want to end up like last season with no striker if we pick up injuries.
Should score goals in that league, which is on par with Belgium league football.
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If we bring in another then it'll be a case of shifting one of those (probably AEG or Trez) out too, before they get to a point when we can't sell them for love nor money.
We'd get money for Trez but we'd probably have to raffle AEG.
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If we bring in another then it'll be a case of shifting one of those (probably AEG or Trez) out too, before they get to a point when we can't sell them for love nor money.
We'd get money for Trez but we'd probably have to raffle AEG.
I'd rather stick a fiver in for our local's meat raffle!
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Not sure how credible the source is but i just saw this
http://sportwitness.co.uk/club-inform-stock-market-talks-sign-aston-villa-player-medical-started/
Definitely credible, Fenerbahce posted it on the Turkish stock exchange this morning.
https://www.kap.org.tr/en/Bildirim/876395
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If we bring in another then it'll be a case of shifting one of those (probably AEG or Trez) out too, before they get to a point when we can't sell them for love nor money.
We'd get money for Trez but we'd probably have to raffle AEG.
I'd rather stick a fiver in for our local's meat raffle!
"..... Number 8, John McGinn (cheers).....Number 10, captain Jack Grealish ( louder cheers)......Number 25, a tin of spam....
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Good luck to him. Must have a striker or winger that can play down the middle lined up. Wonder if there is something in the Sarr links as he and Traore can both play as a central striker and as wide forwards. Watkins, Sarr and Traore if they got going one afternoon would be a bloody scary prospect for a sluggish defence.
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Reports that it's a done deal for €7
Signed for £8.5m
Sold for €7m = £6.1m.
Don't imagine he was being paid a lot. Probably c.£10k a week.
So he's cost us £1.4m in lost transfer money and £320k in wages.
But at the end of the day we stayed up, which was the goal.
Seemed a nice enough bloke, worked hard, just didn't cut the mustard.
No hard feelings, wish him well for the future.
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*£2.4M ?
If true, not too bad. Hard to argue that he played a big part in us staying up but if the only other option to lead the line was El Ghazi, maybe he did make more of a difference than we'll ever know.
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Gone on a 4 year deal - best of luck to him
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Gone on a 4 year deal - best of luck to him
Yes, I wish him all the best. It might just be worth keeping an eye on how he's doing to see if he improves enough for another crack at a much higher level.
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*£2.4M ?
If true, not too bad. Hard to argue that he played a big part in us staying up but if the only other option to lead the line was El Ghazi, maybe he did make more of a difference than we'll ever know.
Cheers Eamonn.
My arithmetic let me down there.
Also read somewhere that he was on £20k a week, which if true would put his total cost up towards £3m.
Anyway, after last night's performance I think we can wish Mbwana a find farewell and be pretty confident that his departure won't weaken the squad.
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Best of luck to him.
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All the best to him, glad he has gone for a fee rather than a loan.
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Such a moving club statement.
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Played 16 games, scored twice, one of them in a cup final. I believe we'll be announcing the retirement of his shirt number very soon.
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The backlash on Pravda FB and Twatter from his army of Tanzanian fan club members will be immense. How dare the infidel Aston Villa treat Samagoal in this way.
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Played 16 games, scored twice, one of them in a cup final. I believe we'll be announcing the retirement of his shirt number very soon.
Very good 👍
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Such a moving club statement.
Heartfelt indeed. Got in me right in the feels.
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Such a moving club statement.
Heartfelt indeed. Got in me right in the feels.
It's a bit odd tbh, I understood that for the likes of Hogan and McCormack but thought they may have found a few words for this guy.
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So has he left on loan or permanently?
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Such a moving club statement.
Heartfelt indeed. Got in me right in the feels.
It's a bit odd tbh, I understood that for the likes of Hogan and McCormack but thought they may have found a few words for this guy.
Maybe he forced it ?
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Good luck in Turkey Ally I hope you have a long successful stay there. Sad to see that our newly acquired 4 million fans in Darus Salaam will be totally disappointed.
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Reports that it's a done deal for €7
Signed for £8.5m
Sold for €7m = £6.1m.
Don't imagine he was being paid a lot. Probably c.£10k a week.
So he's cost us £1.4m in lost transfer money and £320k in wages.
Never mind the fee, are puns allowed yet?
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Mbwana bet against us?
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So has he left on loan or permanently?
Permanently.
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I liked him, hopefully it will work out for him at Fenerbahce (assuming they aren't Far Right, Erdoganey types).
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Mbwana bet against us?
Samatta folk won't do that.
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Mbwana bet against us?
Why do Mbwana make those eyes at me for?
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I liked him, hopefully it will work out for him at Fenerbahce (assuming they aren't Far Right, Erdoganey types).
They never were but at the moment almost all owners, influencers and controllers of sport, entertainment and general commerce are nodding to Erdogan's mood to fit in with the general wind of change.
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I read it's initially a loan with permanent transfer next year. I guess Fenerbache don't have the money.
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The lengthy club statement. It’s very interesting reading especially if you read between the lines......
Ally Samatta has joined Turkish side Fenerbahce.
We would like to wish Ally all the best.
‘Samatta them, why they type so bad.’
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Well I liked his goal in the League Cup Final.
Ah well, all the best.
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Pre-lockdown I thought he was going to be OK. Post-lockdown he looked about as useful as Marlon F. Harewood.
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Have we ever had a player sold after so few games? Ivo Stas is one.
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Have we ever had a player sold after so few games? Ivo Stas is one.
Plenty ... David Unsworth springs instantly to mind, though.
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Have we ever had a player sold after so few games? Ivo Stas is one.
He retired. Adrian Heath was the only one I can think of.
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Paul Mortimer
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Borja Baston.
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Have we ever had a player sold after so few games? Ivo Stas is one.
A fair few I’d imagine. Balaban, surely?
Seem to remember us signing several players in the Lerner era that barely played - Routledge, Bowery, Makoun etc. Admittedly some of them were squad players rather than the first team player Samatta seemed like he was when he signed.
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Have we ever had a player sold after so few games? Ivo Stas is one.
A fair few I’d imagine. Balaban, surely?
Seem to remember us signing several players in the Lerner era that barely played - Routledge, Bowery, Makoun etc. Admittedly some of them were squad players rather than the first team player Samatta seemed like he was when he signed.
Matthieu Berson
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Libor Kozak?
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Pre-lockdown I thought he was going to be OK. Post-lockdown he looked about as useful as Marlon F. Harewood.
Shiver
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Salifou
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Jores Okore?
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Antonio Luna?
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Djemba-Djemba
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It will certainly go down as one of the oddest Villa careers. Have we ever had anyone who scored in a cup final for us play less games? Also any player who played more games behind closed doors than in front of fans (although appreciate new boys this season are in this boat)
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Senderos and Crespo.
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Have we ever had a player sold after so few games? Ivo Stas is one.
A fair few I’d imagine. Balaban, surely?
Thats the obvious one but he played but a single game fewer that Sammatta, accoring to Wiki.
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Have we ever had a player sold after so few games? Ivo Stas is one.
A fair few I’d imagine. Balaban, surely?
Thats the obvious one but he played but a single game fewer that Sammatta, accoring to Wiki.
Paul Mortimer - fullback signed by Big Ron but don't think he lasted a season.
Unsworth?
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I can't embed tweets...
So from his Twitter feed.
"I wish to thank Aston Villa for giving me the opportunity to fulfill my dream of playing in the Premier League.A special thanks to all Villans for the amazing support you gave me during my time at the club.I wish you all the best of luck for the rest of the season@AVFCOfficial"
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Have we ever had a player sold after so few games? Ivo Stas is one.
He retired. Adrian Heath was the only one I can think of.
Stas played for a few more years after leaving us.
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Michael Boulding?
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Barely eight months from signing to leaving, thats got to be close to a record for us (Unsworth aside, there are far more examples of players who played less games and moved on as people are showing. In terms of time though, for a decent fee, there can't be much more.)
I guess we can surely put this down as a Suso signing. Dean would surely have persevered with him if he had chosen him in January.
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Have we ever had a player sold after so few games? Ivo Stas is one.
He retired. Adrian Heath was the only one I can think of.
Stas played for a few more years after leaving us.
Didn't he retire with us then come back when nobody was looking?
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He played for Banik Ostrava against us.
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He seemed delighted being at the club, if a little overawed on the pitch, but honestly, Samatta (Two good finishes aside) ranks as one of the most puzzlingly hopeless players we've had at the club, along with the likes of Tonev and Salifou. One of those anomalies where you have to wonder how we could have scouted him a player who looks that poor. I just couldn't see any sign of potential at all, that he might come good. Even his supposed forte, heading the ball, after project restart he came back and his head had inexplicably gained the prowess of a 50 pence coin. Any time a football went near him he had all the skill and grace of a toddler chasing a beach ball around the garden. Good luck to him, hope he does well in Turkey (because unlike Tonev, at least he seemed decent), but he's a million miles out of his depth in this division. I know Wesley hasn't exactly set the world alight, but in a handful of games where he looked the part, you get the sense of what he might bring if he can fulfil his potential (and he's younger too).
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He played for Banik Ostrava against us.
That was before we signed him, though.
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He seemed delighted being at the club, if a little overawed on the pitch, but honestly, Samatta (Two good finishes aside) ranks as one of the most puzzlingly hopeless players we've had at the club, along with the likes of Tonev and Salifou. One of those anomalies where you have to wonder how we could have scouted him a player who looks that poor. I just couldn't see any sign of potential at all, that he might come good. Even his supposed forte, heading the ball, after project restart he came back and his head had inexplicably gained the prowess of a 50 pence coin. Any time a football went near him he had all the skill and grace of a toddler chasing a beach ball around the garden. Good luck to him, hope he does well in Turkey (because unlike Tonev, at least he seemed decent), but he's a million miles out of his depth in this division. I know Wesley hasn't exactly set the world alight, but in a handful of games where he looked the part, you get the sense of what he might bring if he can fulfil his potential (and he's younger too).
Samatta is shit, but i have to say, if you're talking head like a 50p piece, then Wesley is equally guilty there.
Never seen such a tall, well built player be so utterly shit in the air.
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He seemed delighted being at the club, if a little overawed on the pitch, but honestly, Samatta (Two good finishes aside) ranks as one of the most puzzlingly hopeless players we've had at the club, along with the likes of Tonev and Salifou. One of those anomalies where you have to wonder how we could have scouted him a player who looks that poor. I just couldn't see any sign of potential at all, that he might come good. Even his supposed forte, heading the ball, after project restart he came back and his head had inexplicably gained the prowess of a 50 pence coin. Any time a football went near him he had all the skill and grace of a toddler chasing a beach ball around the garden. Good luck to him, hope he does well in Turkey (because unlike Tonev, at least he seemed decent), but he's a million miles out of his depth in this division. I know Wesley hasn't exactly set the world alight, but in a handful of games where he looked the part, you get the sense of what he might bring if he can fulfil his potential (and he's younger too).
Samatta is shit, but i have to say, if you're talking head like a 50p piece, then Wesley is equally guilty there.
Never seen such a tall, well built player be so utterly shit in the air.
Wesley could certainly do with some one on one training with Dion, if he can pull himself away from all those stairs leading up to the bedroom.
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He seemed delighted being at the club, if a little overawed on the pitch, but honestly, Samatta (Two good finishes aside) ranks as one of the most puzzlingly hopeless players we've had at the club, along with the likes of Tonev and Salifou. One of those anomalies where you have to wonder how we could have scouted him a player who looks that poor. I just couldn't see any sign of potential at all, that he might come good. Even his supposed forte, heading the ball, after project restart he came back and his head had inexplicably gained the prowess of a 50 pence coin. Any time a football went near him he had all the skill and grace of a toddler chasing a beach ball around the garden. Good luck to him, hope he does well in Turkey (because unlike Tonev, at least he seemed decent), but he's a million miles out of his depth in this division. I know Wesley hasn't exactly set the world alight, but in a handful of games where he looked the part, you get the sense of what he might bring if he can fulfil his potential (and he's younger too).
Samatta is shit, but i have to say, if you're talking head like a 50p piece, then Wesley is equally guilty there.
Never seen such a tall, well built player be so utterly shit in the air.
Indeed. So it makes sense that we should have opted to go long as often as we did last season. ::)
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Paul Mortimer
Aye. A handful of games, flicks the V's to the Holte on scoring his first goal and see you later.
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He seemed delighted being at the club, if a little overawed on the pitch, but honestly, Samatta (Two good finishes aside) ranks as one of the most puzzlingly hopeless players we've had at the club, along with the likes of Tonev and Salifou. One of those anomalies where you have to wonder how we could have scouted him a player who looks that poor. I just couldn't see any sign of potential at all, that he might come good. Even his supposed forte, heading the ball, after project restart he came back and his head had inexplicably gained the prowess of a 50 pence coin. Any time a football went near him he had all the skill and grace of a toddler chasing a beach ball around the garden. Good luck to him, hope he does well in Turkey (because unlike Tonev, at least he seemed decent), but he's a million miles out of his depth in this division. I know Wesley hasn't exactly set the world alight, but in a handful of games where he looked the part, you get the sense of what he might bring if he can fulfil his potential (and he's younger too).
Samatta is shit, but i have to say, if you're talking head like a 50p piece, then Wesley is equally guilty there.
Never seen such a tall, well built player be so utterly shit in the air.
I never got that. Clearly Dean likes to have full backs and wingers cross the ball. It’s almost the one thing since he arrived he has committed to as his attacking philosophy. Yet while I accept Suso was head of recruitment he would have run potential new signings by the manager and board. At what point does it not become apparent to all concerned that this giant CF that they were about to lash out a record transfer fee on cannot head the football? Would that not have been the standout observation from everything they saw on film? It truly boggles the mind.
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The two clubs have agreed a fee of £5.5m for Samatta's substantive transfer after that, which could rise to a maximum of £6.2m with add-ons, and Fenerbahce have announced they have agreed a four-year contract with the Tanzania captain.
You imagine they would pay a loan fee for this season too. A mill or two maybe.
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The Graun transfer interactive says it’s a loan move to Turkey.
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Did Neil Rioch only get a game or two? Went on to become a tireless club servant off the field and all round good guy.
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Gary Penrice didn’t play much did he? I can think of a handful of appearances back end of Dr Jo season and then one goal and a handful of games under BFR.
Frank McAvennie on trial - three appearances and one assist for Dalian vs Southampton.
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Did Neil Rioch only get a game or two? Went on to become a tireless club servant off the field and all round good guy.
According to Wiki Brian, twenty-two appearances and three goals over a six-year period.
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we've had - and have - players who have been here for years who have barely played.
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we've had - and have - players who have been here for years who have barely played.
Habib Beye, another of MON's 'kid in a sweet shop' signings.
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we've had - and have - players who have been here for years who have barely played.
Habib Beye, another of MON's 'kid in a sweet shop' signings.
That was a bonkers signing.
Signs player, sees him in training, decides he doesn't rate him, leaves him to sit out a 40k a week contract for two years.
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we've had - and have - players who have been here for years who have barely played.
Habib Beye, another of MON's 'kid in a sweet shop' signings.
That was a bonkers signing.
Signs player, sees him in training, decides he doesn't rate him, leaves him to sit out a 40k a week contract for two years.
He was mental. Buy Davies and Cuellar, decide they were shit, so get Dunno and Collins to replace them. Then gets a face on when the owner starts to query value for money.
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And constantly seeing Luke Young on the bench was mind boggling deciding instead to play a CB there. He really did spunk away so much money and most importantly a real opportunity to make us a perennial top 6 or even CL position contender.
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It's the Cahill decision that mystified me the most.
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It's the Cahill decision that mystified me the most.
Pissed me off no end, I'm sure at the time he wanted Cuellar as centre back instead.
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Hassan kachloul... a whole season of £40k per week and never being in a squad.
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Gary Penrice didn’t play much did he? I can think of a handful of appearances back end of Dr Jo season and then one goal and a handful of games under BFR.
It was a bit like George Best playing for Hibs.
Only a few games but left an indelible mark on all of them.
Quality not quantity.
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something several of our current squad know nothing of either
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Hassan kachloul... a whole season of £40k per week and never being in a squad.
Kachloul in MONs time? Don't think so. He was long gone.
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On Facebook the Tanzanians are all wishing triple relegations on us for the mistreatment of their hero & someone responded that they ‘couldn’t give a monkeys’ what the Tanzanians thought.
It has apparently gone through google translates as something along the lines of ‘Your mother is a monkey’ & there was quite the tiff about racism for a moment!
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Surely #Samagoal should be #Samagoals (plural)......
there were two of them, after all.
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'kin 'ell, all gone a bit Pete Tong/Python.
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Surely #Samagoal should be #Samagoals (plural)......
there were two of them, after all.
Samagone..
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he came, he saw and he didn't conquer.
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Hassan kachloul... a whole season of £40k per week and never being in a squad.
Kachloul in MONs time? Don't think so. He was long gone.
He was good for the first few games. A Southampton mate told me “just wait until the sun stops shining and see what he’s like then”. I thought there was just a lot of resentment as he’d left them. Turned out he was bang on.
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Wasn't there a rumour about Hadji having a bonus if he played 50 games for us, so he was stuck on 49 appearances?
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Panic buy and a gamble. But we were desperate for a striker. Wish him the best.
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Wasn't there a rumour about Hadji having a bonus if he played 50 games for us, so he was stuck on 49 appearances?
Darren Bent something similar
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Wasn't there a rumour about Hadji having a bonus if he played 50 games for us, so he was stuck on 49 appearances?
Darren Bent something similar
In true Villa fashion, instead of paying a small bonus to go scorer, we sacrifice his goals, the £18-£24 million we paid and subsequently our place in the premier league. Let’s hope this new villa model continues to be different.
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Wasn't there a rumour about Hadji having a bonus if he played 50 games for us, so he was stuck on 49 appearances?
Darren Bent something similar
In true Villa fashion, instead of paying a small bonus to go scorer, we sacrifice his goals, the £18-£24 million we paid and subsequently our place in the premier league. Let’s hope this new villa model continues to be different.
It wasn't, and we didn't. These rumours come round every time a player doesn't get picked for whatever reason and they're invariably nonsense.
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On Facebook the Tanzanians are all wishing triple relegations on us for the mistreatment of their hero & someone responded that they ‘couldn’t give a monkeys’ what the Tanzanians thought.
It has apparently gone through google translates as something along the lines of ‘Your mother is a monkey’ & there was quite the tiff about racism for a moment!
Haha. Oh dear. Absolutely best not to get involved, whatsoever.
I wasn't a fan of his at all, but wish him well, and think he'll make his fans proud with his goals and performances in Turkey. Premier League level was beond him.
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Suso was dispatched for a reason.
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He looked great for a match or two. I suspect the premier league defenders worked him out after that and he couldn't get into the game at all.
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It's the Cahill decision that mystified me the most.
Pissed me off no end, I'm sure at the time he wanted Cuellar as centre back instead.
If I recall correctly, MON rated Davies higher than Cahill. We had a lot of centre halves coming and going then, Lauren had to retire through injury and I think Davies suffered a bad injury which MON took as a sign to bring in both Dunne and Collins. He gave up on Shorey very quickly after signing him too. Lack of oversight on our transfer business was our biggest failing then.
It has continued into more recent times, both Bruce and Smith have a fascination with right backs. Failing to recognise the opposite flank as requiring improvement as a priority.
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The Cahill one was strange even at the time. I think most were in agreement that he was someone we should be holding on to, maybe even starting, but O'Neill obviously saw it differently.
I remember rumours about wanting first team football. If that's the reason he left, he should have been given it.
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The Cahill one was strange even at the time. I think most were in agreement that he was someone we should be holding on to, maybe even starting, but O'Neill obviously saw it differently.
I remember rumours about wanting first team football. If that's the reason he left, he should have been given it.
And yet at the time, for everyone who said it was daft to sell him, there was another who quoted parrot-fashion that he "wasn't prepared to fight for his place."
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It's the Cahill decision that mystified me the most.
Pissed me off no end, I'm sure at the time he wanted Cuellar as centre back instead.
If I recall correctly, MON rated Davies higher than Cahill. We had a lot of centre halves coming and going then, Lauren had to retire through injury and I think Davies suffered a bad injury which MON took as a sign to bring in both Dunne and Collins. He gave up on Shorey very quickly after signing him too. Lack of oversight on our transfer business was our biggest failing then.
It has continued into more recent times, both Bruce and Smith have a fascination with right backs. Failing to recognise the opposite flank as requiring improvement as a priority.
To be fair Dunne, Collins and Warnock were all excellent in their first season with us. But they all fell away badly form wise after that initial year. I think I read somewhere that MON and Cahill fell out because MON didn't like Cahill's style of play for some reason.
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A cultured defender capable of a Van Basten derby goal? Yeah, too much of a liability...
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Was Cahill not replaced by Zat Knight? Cahill being forced out was the beginning of my doubts in regards to O'Neill. An opportunity to cement ourselves top 4 truly squandered. We're still playing catch up because of it.
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Good for him.
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Inevitably he scored for Fenerbache today
https://twitter.com/benardandrew1/status/1312428089897611273?s=21
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Inevitably he scored for Fenerbache today
https://twitter.com/benardandrew1/status/1312428089897611273?s=21
Yes...twice!
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I keep watching that and seeing Davis hit the post.
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Did he leave on loan or permanent? If it is a loan is there an obligation to buy?
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Was Smith asked about his departure at all in the recent press conferences?
Its always the inane "How important has this good start been? How impressive is the Ross Barkley signing?"... How about you fuck off if you're not going to ask me something with a bit of thought behind it?
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Asking Smiffy about Barkley is surely a pertinent question to ask?
I’m not sure how profound of a question should be asked, world peace, the flu thingy going round?
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He wasn’t asked about Samatta. Except last week he mentioned something about the offer coming in, him not being guaranteed first team football and ‘reluctantly’ agreeing to leave. Considering we are light up front I’m still surprised he’s been let go.
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Jolly nice of the defender, who wasn't really making him to start with, jumping out the way.
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Striker thay couldnt do it in the Premier League goes to a crap League and starts scoring?
Kodjia Mark II, Nothing to see here.
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Did he leave on loan or permanent? If it is a loan is there an obligation to buy?
i was wondering the same...
he left on a season's loan, with an obligation to buy at £5.5m, potentially rising to £6.2m.
and fenerbahce are currently top of the table and samatta has been starting as the sole striker, since he returned from injury a few weeks ago.
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Was wondering about our wandering Mbwana. These are the two most recent news reports brought up by Google. The first from today suggests that he will be returning from a loan move at Fenerbache but he's worried how he'll be received after his fellow-Tanzanians threw shade our way after we "gave-up" on him. The other report from a couple of weeks back suggests a sale was factored in with his loan and so he is no longer a Villa player, despite Fenerbache seemingly wanting shot of him. Things seem a bit unclear. Anyone know what the craic is?
Goal.com:
The 28-year-old Taifa Stars captain is not sure of his return to Villa Park after what happened when he was loaned out to the Turkish giants
Tanzania striker Mbwana Samatta has claimed he is not sure of the reception he will receive at Premier League side Aston Villa after completing his loan spell with Fenerbahce.
The 28-year-old forward was loaned out to the Turkish Super Lig side having joined the Villans for £8.5million from Belgian top-flight side Genk, however, he failed to make the desired impact in England, scoring just twice in 16 appearances.
The decision by Villa to loan out the player was not received well back home in Tanzania where the fans reacted angrily by criticising the move which saw the Premier League outfit lose over 30k followers on Instagram in the first 24 hours after the loan deal was confirmed.
Immediately after the transfer was announced, Tanzanians descended on the Villa Instagram page to unfollow it, with most of them saying they are now heading to Turkey with “our son.”
Following the incident, Samatta has stated he is not sure what kind of reception he will get at Villa Park when he returns for pre-season.
In a question and answer session as covered by JAYM-Sport, the Taifa Stars captain explained when asked about his return to Villa: “After leaving Villa many Tanzanians talked too much hate about the team and for that reason, I don’t know when I go back how they will receive me.
“I don’t know if they [Aston Villa] will welcome me with open hearts or they will chase me away but I don’t think I will be able to stay because a lot of Tanzanians talked too much hate when I was loaned out and I now don’t know if they will be happy to see me return, or they will hate me.”
Samatta joined Villa on January 20, 2020, after signing a four-and-half-year contract to become the first Tanzanian to play in the Premier League and also the 117th different nationality to play in the competition.
The transfer fee paid to Genk was reported as £8.5 million and he went on to make his debut for the club eight days later in Villa's 2–1 EFL Cup semi-final second-leg win over Leicester City, a result which sealed the club's place in the final of the competition.
On February 1, 2020, Samatta scored on his league debut for Aston Villa, in a 2–1 defeat to Bournemouth, and this made him the first player from Tanzania to play, and subsequently score in the Premier League.
The arrival of Ollie Watkins and Burkina Faso international Bertrand Traore meant Samatta was surplus to requirements in Dean Smith’s squad, hence, he was loaned to the Turkish Super Lig outfit.
Brum Mail:
Mbwana Ally Samatta is yet to become a permanent Fenerbahce player, but the Aston Villa striker is already being linked with a move away from the Turkish club.
Samatta, an £8.5million arrival at Villa Park from Belgian club Genk in January 2020, joined Fenerbahce on an initial season-long loan towards the end of the summer transfer window.
He hit the ground running, netting twice on his full debut in the 2-1 Super Lig win over Fatih Karagümrük in early October.
But the Tanzania forward has added only three more goals in 24 league appearances since then and has lost his place in the starting XI.
Samatta’s stay at Fenerbahce will be made permanent at the end of the season for £5.4million with the 28-year-old having already agreed a four-year contract.
It was reported in the Turkish press earlier this year that the Istanbul club were already considering their options for the 28-year-old ahead of the summer window unless his form improved in the final weeks of the campaign.
But he has failed to nail down a starting spot and Voetbal Nieuws in Belgium reports a return to Genk is on the cards.
Samatta netted 75 times for the club across a four-year spell, including 20 goals to help fire them to the Belgian title in the 2018/19 season.
According to the report, Samatta is ‘paid far too much’ for Genk to finance both a transfer fee and his wages, with a loan move being lined up.
Samatta scored twice in 16 appearances for Villa, grabbing a goal in the 2-1 Carabao Cup final defeat to Manchester City in March last year having scored on his Premier League debut against Bournemouth the previous month.
He said in a recent interview: “It was certainly not my wish to leave the club (Villa) already, I had only been there for six months and I started developing friendships there.
“I trained more to be ready for the competition, but the club had a different plan.
"I no longer fit into the coach’s plans. I would only get a few chances to play. An attacker only wants to stay if he is the coach’s top priority, so I had to leave.”
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The only player to score for us in a cup final in the last ten years.
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A future quiz question that will stump Villa-heads never mind fans of other clubs.
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Was he really that bad, considering how terrible we were at the time.
The social media stuff from African supporters is quite frankly ridiculous. Every Avfc match day post on Facebook, seems to get totally hijacked by Marvelous fanatics. He's a decent player, but they make out he's like Maradona.
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His future (or lack of) will have nowt to do with the Tanzanian social media misfits.
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I thought we'd got shot of him.
Nothing like good enough.
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We have. He's sighing for Fenerbahce on 1st July.
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‘Sigh’
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Ffs. I could edit it to ruin your post, but that would be mean-spirited. 🙂
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Ffs. I could edit it to ruin your post, but that would be mean-spirited. 🙂
😉
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We have. He's sighing for Fenerbahce on 1st July.
But why do his comments suggest that he is due back with us?
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I don’t think they do. He's talking about us in the past tense.
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Was he really that bad, considering how terrible we were at the time.
The social media stuff from African supporters is quite frankly ridiculous. Every Avfc match day post on Facebook, seems to get totally hijacked by Marvelous fanatics. He's a decent player, but they make out he's like Maradona.
I thought he looked pretty decent in his opening few games. Two goals and some really nice link up play v Spurs first half.
Came back and played like Gestede post lockdown so no idea what happened and clearly DS lost confidence in him. He could've still been a decent option off the bench if he'd got his fitness back up imo.
I assumed move would just become permanent when the loan ended.
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I honestly thought he was a headless chicken from day one. Decent in the air for a smaller guy but no composure whatsoever.
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He is one of the few players in Dean Smith's time with Villa, that seemed to get worse, rather than better.
He suddenly forgot to head the ball after a few months.
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i thought it was a loan with an obligation to buy.
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Just received an alert saying he has gone to Fenerbahce for £5 million. As there was still some debate over whether he was coming back.
Anyway, good luck to him. He always gave his all for the cause. Still the last player to score a goal at a full Wembley, I believe.
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Good, a bit more for our summer war-chest. Good luck Mbwana. Great name, not a bad player but not a great one. And we need greatness now.
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Where was the alert from, I can’t see anything on the official site and the clickbaiters haven’t picked it up yet
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Fotmob.
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Also on Transfermarkt...
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mbwana-samatta/profil/spieler/182201
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Where was the alert from, I can’t see anything on the official site and the clickbaiters haven’t picked it up yet
What’samatter where the alert came from, it’s gota my respect.
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Wish him well but he was awful for us. He got worse as season went on
One of the few flops
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Thanks for that superb goal in the cup final. And if only Engels has scored his. Now both gone. Good luck to both.
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Good luck to him but how did we rob £5 million for him -football has gone completely mad.