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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2020, 06:54:18 PM
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Big three games coming up. This is a very winnable game but it certainly won’t be easy. Need a massive bounce back game from everyone; manager on down to get something here. After the abomination that we saw against Man City I hope our confidence didn’t take too much of a kicking.
I reckon we might win.
2-1 AEG and CH. Maupay inevitability for them.
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I dont know what to make of Brighton, Ive seen them play 5 times, they've dominated for long periods of each game playing some excellent football but haven't won any of the games.
If we see a repeat of Elmo and Taylor as wingbacks then we will lose again. Guilbert has to start, fuck knows were Targett is but I'd be a lot happier with him as left wing back.
Can't see us not conceeding atleast 2, fuck knows what we'll do up the other end.
I'll go for 2-2.
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A masterclass of attacking football from our new strike force ......
I'll go 0-0
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2-1 defeat I'm afraid. Brighton play a very fluent possession based game. They were very good at Villa Park, the sending off really helped Villa. Doubt we'll have a striker in to start the game.
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I will be amazed if Maupay doesn’t score. It seems written.
1-1 draw
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They are organised. We haven't settled on a formation and have no strikers*. Loss.
*despite having #2 in Hogan and Kodjia.
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2-0.
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We need a win and we will.
1-2 Villa
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Reserve judgement until team selection,
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Ah. OK. 4-0.
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Do we have to?
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Beaten them twice this season. Hope the lads have the belief and the balls that they can do it again. 1-2 to us.😯
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Two absolute crunch 6 pointers coming up, and its inexcuseable we haven't managed to bring in at least 1 new striker for these games.
Can see us forcing a draw if Kodjia plays but can see us taking a beating again if its a similiar horror show system as against Man City, and i really wouldn't put it past Smith to use it again.
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Defeat.
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3-1 to them, Maupay to get at least 1 of them.
Cue Smith mentioning not having any 1st choice strikers in his post match comments as a thinly veiled dig at Suso. Tis in the stars.
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Draw 1-1 (we will have to score from a corner or free kick)
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Many a time, Villa have gone into a game and we’ve thought, “this is the best time to play the opposition because (insert reason)” and all has come to nothing.
Hopefully, this will see a reverse.
1 - 2
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Behind enemy lines for this one, I am in the home end with a Brighton season ticket holder who has a spare ticket. I think the last time I sat in the opposing stand was Sheff Wed away back in 95 and had to hide my glee as we won 2-1 . I don't think I will have to contain too much excitement at what the Villa will come up with on Saturday but this team seems to prove me wrong every time I think we are dead and buried. Heart says win - somehow - but head says another day of misery.
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Us zero, them many.
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704-0
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I wasn't too bothered that we hadn't managed to get a striker in for the Man City game, but to go into this game without one is a little depressing.
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We really need to win this so I reckon 2-1 Villa win.
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1-1 draw with Maupay getting their goal.
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Like Deanos Mullet, I'm behind enemy lines for this one. Really hope the team give me something to potentially get thrown out, but Brighton have a pretty good home record, we really need Jack deeper to influence the game and to get on the ball. Them 2, us 1.
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Sportsbet currently has Brighton $1.67; the draw $4.20; and Villa $4.50. Looks like a Villa win would be a fairly big turnaround. Can’t see past a Brighton win unfortunately. Hopefully the bookies have got it wrong.
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I feel we need to dig deep and grind out a draw - similar to the Leicester game.
Brighton play some really good stuff on their day, one of the best teams I've seen come to VP all season.
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704-0
Hell of an opening partnership
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If they keep Mooy on the pitch they'll win like they would have at Villa Park. Please Villa don't surrender the middle of the park to them. I'm afraid I can't see us winning this and am not looking forward to the aftermath.
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Mooy missed the last game injured but don't know if he's out for our game. He was playing well at VP until he got sent off, the sort of player we always just stand off and let them dictate the play.
As for the game, lack of any new attackers means I think we'll struggle to get even a draw out of this. 2-1 defeat.
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I really want Dean to turn this around but I fear for him if we have another meekly surrendered game like Watford / Southampton
Please Villa just find a win
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3-1 to them, Maupay to get at least 1 of them.
Cue Smith mentioning not having any 1st choice strikers in his post match comments as a thinly veiled dig at Suso. Tis in the stars.
Ouch. It actually hurts to think how likely this is.
I'm not optimistic at all either. But I'm going to say 1-1 because the more likely outcome is just too worrying to countenance rn.
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1-2
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Mooy missed the last game injured but don't know if he's out for our game. He was playing well at VP until he got sent off, the sort of player we always just stand off and let them dictate the play.
Via their OS.
Graham Potter confirmed that Aaron Mooy is back in training and available for selection on Saturday after missing last weekend's game with Everton.
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I'm going for a nervy 1 - 0 to us.
I hope that the ManCity game has given them a siege / backs to the wall mentality.
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Press Conference | Brighton & Hove Albion
(https://streamable.com/pi2jq)
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Brighton are a good team who play some good stuff but are only one win in front of us so they’ve not been that great this season
we must go to win this
it’s not Man City or one of the teams we never beat it’s Brighton
we really must be picking up points if we are going to give ourselves a chance of avoiding the drop
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Brighton are a good team who play some good stuff but are only one win in front of us so they’ve not been that great this season
we must go to win this
it’s not Man City or one of the teams we never beat it’s Brighton
we really must be picking up points if we are going to give ourselves a chance of avoiding the drop
I agree john, we must be picking up points here. I think Brighton have been unlucky a few times though. Against us for instance I thought they were decent, in the league game at least, despite being down to 10 men they passed it well and caused some trouble for us whilst being hard to break down. We were lucky with the stoppage time winner which was Jack's genius again to unlock their defence for Targett.
Think they'll be even tougher away from home. Dean needs to get the tactics right this time.
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Reina
Hause
Mings
Konsa
Targett
Drinkwater
Douglas
Guilbert
Grealish
Trezuguet
El Ghazi
I think genuine width from the wing backs will help us dramatically. There also must be a reaction in the way we close space off the ball.
Mooy likely out for them.
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Oh dear! A midfield with Luiz and Drinkwater and El Ghazi up front has shattered my hopes of at least a point.
If Drinkwater is to play dcm he needs to move off the 1 blade of grass. Nakamba over Luiz any day of the week. Going there without a recognised striker is shambolic planning.
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Reina
Hause
Mings
Konsa
Targett
Drinkwater
Douglas
Guilbert
Grealish
Trezuguet
El Ghazi
I think genuine width from the wing backs will help us dramatically. There also must be a reaction in the way we close space off the ball.
Mooy likely out for them.
Ah hem ………. or should that read "Anyway"? ;)
"The injury news Brighton and Hove Albion fans desperately wanted to hear ahead of Aston Villa
Brighton and Hove Albion received a huge boost ahead of their crunch Premier League clash with Aston Villa at the Amex this Saturday.
By The Newsroom
Thursday, 16th January 2020, 2:36 pm
Brighton and Hove Albion head coach Graham Potter received an injury ahead of this Saturday's match against Aston Villa
Midfielder Aaron Mooy is fit and available for selection having missed last Saturday's 1-0 loss at Everton with a groin injury."
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It doesn't matter how solid we can make our team, we have no striker and therefore no goal threat or option to keep the ball up top.
Every game that goes by with no striker in the team will be the same.
Total mismanagement at every level leaving one striker, plus one crock and a player who they obviously were never going to play equals certain relegation.
This is another defeat I'm afraid.
Unless miracles happen.
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Is Kodjia still "poorly"? Cough, cough.
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Is Kodjia still "poorly"? Cough, cough.
Brighton have lost 3 at home this season, all by the odd goal or 2, no ones mullered them so won’t be easy. I’d love a win, would take a draw, hoping that it won’t be a defeat. Think he’ll have to play drinkwater in an effort to get him match fit, think Luiz is a better player than Nakamba but if he plays trez, ghazi, grealish as a 3, Nakamba may come in as more defence minded.
Don’t need to be a brain surgeon to say this but doubt we’ll see kodja again in a villa shirt
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Reina
Hause
Mings
Konsa
Targett
Drinkwater
Douglas
Guilbert
Grealish
Trezuguet
El Ghazi
I reckon this it the team I would go with as well.
Really hope that both Guilbert and Targett start as you would think it would make the 3-4-3 work a lot better. Same with Trezeguet and giving us a bit more pace and an extra out ball. Should also help us press better from the front, which we struggled with a bit in the last two games.
Central midfield is still a bit of an issue obviously. I imagine Drinkwater will start again. I think I would go Luiz in there as well but could see the logic of Nakamba for a bit more solidity behind that front three (just he shame he is lacking technically).
I think Dean will look at the defence as two good games out of three, even with last weeks shambles, so imagine it will stay the same. Although I think you could make a case for Chester starting for an extra bit of experience/organisation. For more or less the same reason I reckon Reina will start too (he may also just be better than Nyland but I honestly haven’t seen him play in so long I don’t know).
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No chance of winning this. They are tight at the back, we concede every game, we don't have a striker. Can see a 2-0 defeat.
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Yeah I agree Lee on Nakamba. The issue is ball retention. Luiz is a funny one with his, quite typical, youthful inconsistency. Good at Burnley, not so at Leicester and as bad as everybody else against Man City.
For me though, 343 or 3511 only works if you keep the ball. Luiz is better at that and with more pace and ability than Nakamba.
Trezuguet works hard and played well at both Leicester and Burnley. He was probably our best player against Man City too, even as a sub. Him, two proper wing backs included, gives us a bit of an out ball at least.
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Them 1 Us 3
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No thoughts on here of playing the lad Vassilev up front?
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No thoughts on here of playing the lad Vassilev up front?
I would, for sure. Give the kid a go
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From what I've read and seen about the kid he's more of playmaker than an out and out Striker.
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No strikers or ball winners in the middle. Probable defeat.
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We have to win. 1-0 Villa.
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Can see Engels starting instead of Konsa. See what he looks like alongside Mings in a three.
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For me though, 343 or 3511 only works if you keep the ball. Luiz is better at that and with more pace and ability than Nakamba.
Trezuguet works hard and played well at both Leicester and Burnley. He was probably our best player against Man City too, even as a sub. Him, two proper wing backs included, gives us a bit of an out ball at least.
I agree with that. No doubt that Luiz is better on the ball (and the better player overal), it would obviously require Drinkwater to be more defensive sound and perform several levels above last weekend though obviously.
I think the other think Trez, Guilbert and Targett (to a less extent) give us it the ability to press/defend from the front better. Appreciate it was Man City (and to a lesser degree against Leicester) but the ball came back so easily against which I think lead to the wing backs and eventually the whole defence dropping too deep and therefore is struggling to get out and also further isolating Grealish and El Ghazi.
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No thoughts on here of playing the lad Vassilev up front?
Have see next to nothing of him, so would have to defer to people that know better. I would say that it is a big step/ask for most 18 year olds to be ready to play in the Premier League these days. It is generally just the exceptional ones that start that early.
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A bit of a six pointer in terms of dragging Brighton properly into the dogfight if we beat them. Imperative we don't lose, otherwise that's probably one more team we can tick-off as not filling one of the three relegation places.
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Agree 100%. It was the case with Burnley and it's exactly the same tomorrow.
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Please win Villa....that is all.
UTV
The Doc
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Besides having no striker, our midfield is just so weak with Luiz and Drinkwater!
I feel that for all his obvious limitations Nakamba has to start over Luiz just so that we have someone who will actually tackle a player rather than Luiz just letting them pass by!
The best we can hope for is a draw and that is only if the players decide to turn up this week!
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Targetts in the training photos so hopefully that means he's fit. I appreciate people think hes been dissapointing but having Targett and Guilbert as wingbacks will make the formation work a hell of alot better than Elmo and Taylor.
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I'm hoping for a win and a good performance. That's my best hope.
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Targett and Guilbert as wingbacks will make the formation work a hell of alot better than Elmo and Taylor.
still dont get why freddie was dropped last sunday
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Targetts in the training photos so hopefully that means he's fit. I appreciate people think hes been dissapointing but having Targett and Guilbert as wingbacks will make the formation work a hell of alot better than Elmo and Taylor.
This 100% re the full backs.
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Targett and Guilbert as wingbacks will make the formation work a hell of alot better than Elmo and Taylor.
still dont get why freddie was dropped last sunday
I would definitely start Freddie against Brighton.
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Really not confident about tomorrow. Can’t see us winning without a striker and have to admit to being massively disappointed that we appear to be going into two huge games without one.
It wouldn’t be so bad if we ever looked like nicking a goal from a set piece but that’s just not the case (still no headed goals this season? ridiculous).
And Maupay scoring feels as inevitable as Deeney at Watford.
Would snatch your hand off for a draw.
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Brighton fans reckon it's their biggest game of the season. I hope our players think likewise.
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We have got to win, we have got to win. So I have gone for a draw which doesn’t really help us
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Really not confident about tomorrow. Can’t see us winning without a striker and have to admit to being massively disappointed that we appear to be going into two huge games without one.
It wouldn’t be so bad if we ever looked like nicking a goal from a set piece but that’s just not the case (still no headed goals this season? ridiculous).
And Maupay scoring feels as inevitable as Deeney at Watford.
Would snatch your hand off for a draw.
Agree completely. To be going into these crucial games, against teams around us, with no striker is unforgivable. It will cost us crucial points and by the time it's sorted, it's going to be too late.
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Targetts in the training photos so hopefully that means he's fit. I appreciate people think hes been dissapointing but having Targett and Guilbert as wingbacks will make the formation work a hell of alot better than Elmo and Taylor.
Agree with this. Targett offers more going forward, though he's the best of a bad job !
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Targetts in the training photos so hopefully that means he's fit. I appreciate people think hes been dissapointing but having Targett and Guilbert as wingbacks will make the formation work a hell of alot better than Elmo and Taylor.
Agree with this. Targett offers more going forward, though he's the best of a bad job !
He is very vulnerable defensively as part of a four. However hopefully the addition of an extra central defender will offer him more protection.
A 5 with Guilbert and Targett as wingbacks and with Konsa, Mings and Hause looks pretty decent to me.
It absolutely has to be Targett and Guilbert though. No pissing about with Taylor and Elmo.
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Like every game it's a tough one at this level, but I reckon 1-1.
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I'm going for a Villa win, we just can't keep losing games and expect to survive in this league, it simply doesn't work like that, difficult to predict a score because its equally difficult to see where the goals are coming from.
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Absolutely no chance we will win a game against a defensively sound side with no Striker on the pitch. Ludicrous gamble that is going to cost us big time and heads should roll over it at the end of the season when the dust has settled. These next 3 games are pivotal and we are going in to them short.
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Absolutely no chance we will win a game against a defensively sound side with no Striker on the pitch. Ludicrous gamble that is going to cost us big time and heads should roll over it at the end of the season when the dust has settled. These next 3 games are pivotal and we are going in to them short.
Next 3 games could see us going down looking at these games as a pivotal point in the season, almost, almost beyond sacking the manager as irrelevant.
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Fear we're in trouble tomorrow. Dearly hope Jack can help dig us out... yet again. Fingers crossed, UTV
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No chance at all we can win?
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No chance at all we can win?
Roll on Monday , back to work ahhhhhh
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I'd expect Guilbert and Nakamba to come back in after their rest. Reina will start too. Going to be a horrible game this, first goal wins I think.
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Going to be a horrible game this, first goal wins I think.
Apparently Brighton need 45 minutes to get going. We're the opposite so providing we score in the first half the 3 points are in the bag.
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Going to be a horrible game this, first goal wins I think.
Apparently Brighton need 45 minutes to get going. We're the opposite so providing we score in the first half the 3 points are in the bag.
They didn't at VP.
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Brighton have looked good in the MOTD highlights I’ve seen this season, yet they are 3 points ahead of us. We’re in danger, and I’m as guilty of this, as talking them up as a top side...lots of us did this pre Burnley as well. The lack of a striker is huge and they go 1-0 up we have problems, but this is not mission impossible
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No chance at all we can win?
Can't see it. Feels a bit similar to aftermatch of Leicester game. Can see us keeping it tight for 30 minutes without ever looking like we'll score and then one Brighton goal and it could easily go way as Sheffield United and Watford.
Mind you I thought Burnley would win comfortably and we played well there. Hopefully Mings will keep us focused at the back as Brighton are decent but no Man. City once in the final third.
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You cant see us beating a side that are 3 points ahead of us?
Were we all celebrating Wesley after Brighton, when a midfielder and full back scored? Or were we bemoaning playing with 10 men?
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3-1 loss.
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Going to be a horrible game this, first goal wins I think.
Apparently Brighton need 45 minutes to get going. We're the opposite so providing we score in the first half the 3 points are in the bag.
We've also scored more goals in 90+ minutes than any other side (4).
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I’m afraid I think it’ll be a loss. Brighton played some nice stuff against us until Mooy got sent off.
2-1 methinks unfortunately.
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If we win and results go the way they *should* then we’ll jump up to 15th. On paper the 6 teams above us could all lose so let’s hope it’s a good day...we most certainly need one.
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Wins for;
Villa
Wolves
Spurs
Everton
Leicester
Norwich
Chelsea
Which would be nice.
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Brighton have never won a Premier League game in January. There I’ve jinxed it now.
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Brighton have never won a Premier League game in January. There I’ve jinxed it now.
They've not beaten us in 40 years.
Double jinxed, so its cancelled out.
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For once an easy, close away game. Meeting other Bournemouth Lions at Fareham for train to Brighton. Just hope the players can show the fight, desire and passion needed in such a game.
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We can win, I'd be happy with a point and hope we avoid defeat in any event.
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We proved at Burnley the new formation works.
We proved at Leicester it works without a striker.
It’s all about focus and determination from the players now.
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If we can approach the game as we did vs leicester without a striker, cut out the silly mistakes and hope for a bucket load of luck, then who knows what may happen.
I'd certainly be happy with at least a point, whilst hoping that we can start Tuesday night with a recognised striker and focal point.
Smith said the man city game won't define our season (it will if it comes down to goal difference), but this game and the next 2 will. Get it right and we've got a chance. Get it wrong and I feel Smith and the decision makers above him will know about it.
Come on the Villa!
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It’s simple. Just roll El Ghazi in glue and hit him with the ball. The hard bit is finding a midfielder who’ll pass it well enough.
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In the absence of an obvious striker option, perhaps Vassilev or Archer should be given a go. Not just 15 minutes at the end, either.
Other clubs have done similar and it sometimes worked out.
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Brighton have never won a Premier League game in January. There I’ve jinxed it now.
They've not beaten us in 40 years.
Double jinxed, so its cancelled out.
39 years and 1 month, to be exact.
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In the absence of an obvious striker option, perhaps Vassilev or Archer should be given a go. Not just 15 minutes at the end, either.
Other clubs have done similar and it sometimes worked out.
I agree. One of them should have been played at Fulham - we knew Kodjia was on his way so that really was a no lose opportunity to give them a real go.
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We proved at Burnley the new formation works.
We proved at Leicester it works without a striker.
It’s all about focus and determination from the players now.
I'm not sure you can say one win "proves" that a formation works, when we lost the next league game six-one with the same set up.
I remember us winning at Liverpool and everyone saying our new formation was going to see us shoot up the table. We lost the next three eight-nil, four-nil and three-nil.
I'm not saying it won't work, but there is certainly no conclusive proof that it has worked yet.
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In the absence of an obvious striker option, perhaps Vassilev or Archer should be given a go. Not just 15 minutes at the end, either.
Other clubs have done similar and it sometimes worked out.
Agree with this. Better than El Ghazi in that position. Give them a go
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We proved at Burnley the new formation works.
We proved at Leicester it works without a striker.
It’s all about focus and determination from the players now.
I'm not sure you can say one win "proves" that a formation works, when we lost the next league game six-one with the same set up.
I remember us winning at Liverpool and everyone saying our new formation was going to see us shoot up the table. We lost the next three eight-nil, four-nil and three-nil.
I'm not saying it won't work, but there is certainly no conclusive proof that it has worked yet.
Well it was better than the 6 games before
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Disagree. Throwing someone in when they're not ready is just going to fuck with their confidence. In any case, El Ghazi was about the only player to emerge from last week with any credit.
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I dreamt we won 3-0. I’d be bloody ecstatic if that came true. Hopefully there will be a huge reaction to that Citeh disgrace.
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I think it needs to be either El Ghazi or Tresequet and Vassilev. We need some kind of outlet up the other end of the pitch.
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Anything that doesnt increase the gap between 17th & ourselves will do here.
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I think it needs to be either El Ghazi or Tresequet and Vassilev. We need some kind of outlet up the other end of the pitch.
Agreed we need someone working their arse off pressing their defence.
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I think it needs to be either El Ghazi or Tresequet and Vassilev. We need some kind of outlet up the other end of the pitch.
Agreed we need someone working their arse off pressing their defence.
Trezeguet. He is non stop. I like him. I am not entirely sure why, because I sometimes think he is fucking abysmal, but I just have a feeling that he could end up some sort of cult hero here. And not in a Salifou type way.
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I'd take a cheeky 0-0 and run around Hove wearing a claret & blue Dick Turpin Mask. That said, I'm fearing the worst & preparing to endure a load of patronising bantz in my local tomorrow - via a few smug neo-BHA 'supporters'. Meh. ::)
3-0 defeat c/w plenty rubbish post-match comment from DS.
Triffick.
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I think it needs to be either El Ghazi or Tresequet and Vassilev. We need some kind of outlet up the other end of the pitch.
Agreed we need someone working their arse off pressing their defence.
Trezeguet. He is non stop. I like him. I am not entirely sure why, because I sometimes think he is fucking abysmal, but I just have a feeling that he could end up some sort of cult hero here. And not in a Salifou type way.
He looked lively when he came on against Man City.
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I'm in the home end so wish me luck.
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First time I've dared to look at this forum after last Sunday.
Win. Pretty. Pretty. Please.
Draw at best, I suspect. :'(
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I'm in the home end so wish me luck.
I'm sure you'll be fine - although I would heartily recommend going bonkers in the unlikely event of Villa going one up. You'll no doubt have a few folk around you tutting; followed by a few pissed-up heroes (several rows back) screaming for a steward. Admittedly you'll be cheerfully escorted off the premises, but you can get an early train back into town & enjoy a well-earned pint or 3: whilst recognising you made a timely & glorious escape before witnessing an inevitable Albion goal-fest.
You know it makes sense! ;)
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I'm in the home end so wish me luck.
I'm sure you'll be fine - although I would heartily recommend going bonkers in the unlikely event of Villa going one up. You'll no doubt have a few folk around you tutting; followed by a few pissed-up heroes (several rows back) screaming for a steward. Admittedly you'll be cheerfully escorted off the premises, but you can get an early train back into town & enjoy a well-earned pint or 3: whilst recognising you made a timely & glorious escape before witnessing an inevitable Albion goal-fest.
You know it makes sense! ;)
Plan works brilliantly other than I have 3 children with me, if we get a last minute winner though, I'm on the pitch !
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Anything that doesnt increase the gap between 17th & ourselves will do here.
A loss and Bournemouth getting a draw at Norwich would put us down to 19th today.
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I'm in the home end so wish me luck.
I'm sure you'll be fine - although I would heartily recommend going bonkers in the unlikely event of Villa going one up. You'll no doubt have a few folk around you tutting; followed by a few pissed-up heroes (several rows back) screaming for a steward. Admittedly you'll be cheerfully escorted off the premises, but you can get an early train back into town & enjoy a well-earned pint or 3: whilst recognising you made a timely & glorious escape before witnessing an inevitable Albion goal-fest.
You know it makes sense! ;)
Plan works brilliantly other than I have 3 children with me, if we get a last minute winner though, I'm on the pitch !
Oh I see. Well in that case, let's hope your young 'uns don't suffer at the hands of our hapless lot this arvo; and you get to fulfill your highly unlikely one-man pitch invasion ambition. :D
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I think it needs to be either El Ghazi or Tresequet and Vassilev. We need some kind of outlet up the other end of the pitch.
Agreed we need someone working their arse off pressing their defence.
Trezeguet. He is non stop. I like him. I am not entirely sure why, because I sometimes think he is fucking abysmal, but I just have a feeling that he could end up some sort of cult hero here. And not in a Salifou type way.
He looked lively when he came on against Man City.
He did, didn't he. He was pretty much the only one that.
I hope he starts today. Composure is what he needs more of.
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I'm in the home end so wish me luck.
Me too, I fear I'll be given away by my constant sobbing.
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Cunning, understanding, nouse & tenacity will see us through.
Ron Manager 1958=2009
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Going 1 - 1, Indiana gets equalizer
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Anything changed?
No. Emphatic loss.
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Anything changed?
No. Emphatic loss.
We're playing Brighton not an in-form Man City. That's a fairly major change.
2-1 win
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Fuck me, Drinkwater in again.
3-0 to Brighton
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Who's commentating on the AVTV radio?