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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on January 10, 2020, 09:32:00 PM
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Percy thinks it’s happening.
More on Villa signing of Pepe Reina: club view the signing as crucial for Reina's leadership qualities, winning mentality and his character. He has one more year on contract at AC Milan and is expected to go back in the summer #avfc
Twitter · 11 mins ago
#avfc are signing former #lfc goalkeeper Pepe Reina on loan until the end of the season. Medical early next week
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Makes sense
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Meh.
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Meh
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He's a very experienced goalkeeper. Only leaving us with Nyland, Sarkic if Kalinic is leaving would have been nuts. Question is will he come in as a starter because I hope not and he has to win the shirt off Nyland who has been excellent.
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Great bit of business.
If he can do half what Friedel did - it will be enough.
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I almost read that as: the question is, will he come in as a striker.
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Can he play as a “false no9” ?!
Regarding the summer situation when we could all see we were Left lightweight upfront
Come on villa
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Good stuff. Experienced midfielder and goalkeeper. Striker next.
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Well, good luck Pepe.
We have to spend actual money on two forwards now, hurry up please.
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Well, good luck Pepe.
We have to spend actual money on two forwards now, hurry up please.
Yup.
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I think this is a sensible move, Heaton is our number one but he’s out so signing an experienced keeper is the right thing to do. Whether Smith picks Reina or Nyland remains to be seen but having that experience in our squad is huge.
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Seems a bit of a strange signing with Steer almost back but I guess you can't always sign players in the order that you want them.
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Brilliant move as have to understand there is no premier league experienced keeper at the club.
Reina comes in with a track record and proven .
Ability wise he will be fine and has the authority and class that is good to have in squad.
A man who has been involved at highest level both internationally and at major clubs .
Its a real coup and I think was only a move down to Heaton being injured.
Basically it's wise and good football club sense in situation in to have him come in.
Welcome Reina
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Hopefully Nyland continues to get a fair chance but this seems like a sensible insurance policy.
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Seems a bit of a strange signing with Steer almost back but I guess you can't always sign players in the order that you want them.
I don’t think Steer is almost back. Pretty sure Dean said late February.
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No complaints from me. Welcome Pepe.
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Welcome Pepe. Can you play up front?
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Is this confirmed? Or just Twatter/Instatwat speculation?
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Is this confirmed? Or just Twatter/Instatwat speculation?
Signed subject to a medical & agreeing personal terms according to da Beeb, both of which are considered to be formalities.
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I go with Percy he’s normally spot on.
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Good deal. Experience.
If Nyland got injured on Sunday we'd have been left with Kalinic and Sarkic...
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Just been on 5Live. Stopped my weeping about Neil Peart.
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Let’s hope he can dive and move a bit quicker than Shay Given
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When did people become so assured of our brilliance that they could turn their nose up at the prospect of signing Pepe Reina on loan? Who you hoping for? Alisson?
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When did people become so assured of our brilliance that they could turn their nose up at the prospect of signing Pepe Reina on loan? Who you hoping for? Alisson?
How many of his 3 league starts in the last 18 months have you seen and what did you see in those games that makes him the best choice?
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When did people become so assured of our brilliance that they could turn their nose up at the prospect of signing Pepe Reina on loan? Who you hoping for? Alisson?
How many of his 3 league starts in the last 18 months have you seen and what did you see in those games that makes him the best choice?
No-one is turning their nose up, either. He would potentially be a great acquisition if it came to fruit but as PWS points out he is not exactly prolific in appearances just recently.
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I hope he joins, Nyland's in good form until the end of the season and Reina goes back without ever playing for us.
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I’d say the people commenting ‘Meh’ have turned their noses up at the deal.
Yep, I’ve watched all three and he’s been meticulously brilliant.
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I don't think you did :P
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Might as well of got Budgie back!
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Gabor!
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I hope he joins, Nyland's in good form until the end of the season and Reina goes back without ever playing for us.
Quite.
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I looking forward to people acknowledging Reina ability and how he kept villa in premier league.
The lack of respect to such a great keeper seemingly based on Reina age and nyland doing ,finally ,some decent goal keeping, is staggering.
Think Friedel for Reina
David James for Nyland
Now which keeper is more secure?!
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It's naive to base how good a player is now on what he could do a few years ago. None of us really know how good he is now, we all hope he's great but we've seen how hit and miss it can be signing a player at the tail end of their career can be, especially when they haven't been playing much.
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I looking forward to people acknowledging Reina ability and how he kept villa in premier league.
The lack of respect to such a great keeper seemingly based on Reina age and nyland doing ,finally ,some decent goal keeping, is staggering.
Think Friedel for Reina
David James for Nyland
Now which keeper is more secure?!
Footy, didn't you promise that you wouldn't be back until we signed a striker?
Have I missed something?
Oh, and Reina is past it and shit. I'm looking forward to gorging myself on humble pie.
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I would've been more than happy to go into the season with Steer but we bought Heaton. I would've been more than happy to continue this season with Nyland but now this.
It's clear in both cases that experience is as important as goalkeeping ability to the management but it was harsh on Steer and might well be for the current custodian.
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I looking forward to people acknowledging Reina ability and how he kept villa in premier league.
The lack of respect to such a great keeper seemingly based on Reina age and nyland doing ,finally ,some decent goal keeping, is staggering.
Think Friedel for Reina
David James for Nyland
Now which keeper is more secure?!
Footy, didn't you promise that you wouldn't be back until we signed a striker?
Have I missed something?
Oh, and Reina is past it and shit. I'm looking forward to gorging myself on humble pie.
About as reliable as Davis
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Why is everyone automatically jumping to the conclusion that he’s being bought to replace Nyland? In my view he’s been bought as an experienced back up to Nyland and Steer and nothing more. People really are adding 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
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Why is everyone automatically jumping to the conclusion that he’s being bought to replace Nyland? In my view he’s been bought as an experienced back up to Nyland and Steer and nothing more. People really are adding 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
You could apply the same logic about Heaton's arrival: why did he come in as No.1 when he couldn't get near to the Burnley team in the previous season, and when Steer had proved himself to be competent?
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Just hope Sarkic goes back on loan somewhere, best development he can get
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At least Reina will be well rested having only played 3 games in the last 12 months and getting a red card in one of them. Welcome indeed.
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Why is everyone automatically jumping to the conclusion that he’s being bought to replace Nyland? In my view he’s been bought as an experienced back up to Nyland and Steer and nothing more. People really are adding 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
You could apply the same logic about Heaton's arrival: why did he come in as No.1 when he couldn't get near to the Burnley team in the previous season, and when Steer had proved himself to be competent?
Heaton was their number one keeper. Pretty sure he played nearly every game for Burnley from January onwards (he was injured before wasn’t he?) - a period that coincided with a big upturn in their form.
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saw him play in 2017 when I went to the Napoli V Cagliari. He did nothing for 90 minutes. Primarily on account of Cagliari being awful.
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This isn't really something to get worked up about is it? The main crux of this window is the forward line. Get it wrong and it's likely we go down.
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It's a safety signing, which is fine. I don't expect it'll make any difference as to whether we'll stay up.
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It makes a difference in that we can't loan anyone else. I expected us to sign a forward and loan one. Now I think we will just sign one and gamble on him being great and not getting injured. We've already seen what a foolish assumption that is.
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It makes a difference in that we can't loan anyone else. I expected us to sign a forward and loan one. Now I think we will just sign one and gamble on him being great and not getting injured. We've already seen what a foolish assumption that is.
It's not clear if overseas loans are different to PL loans, most of the loan rules state PL club to PL club which is the 2 loan limit.
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https://www.premierleague.com/news/464747
Seems clear to me. No more than two loans.
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https://www.premierleague.com/news/464747
Seems clear to me. No more than two loans.
And yet the first part is what confuses it.
"Find out how Premier League clubs are limited in the number of players they can bring in on loan from English clubs"
"Loans between Premier League clubs and other English counterparts are officially called temporary transfers."
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I found this quote from Warnock when the new rules were bought in. Seems to indicate overseas players aren’t affected.
It's scandalous, really. You can bring 10 from abroad, so who are we trying to help?
"Who has invented these rules? It's a disgrace, really, when I could be giving another good young English lad an opportunity of playing in the Premier League."
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in Jan 2018 Newcastle loaned in Kenedy, Slimani and Dubravka. That's 2 from English clubs and 1 from abroad. Nothing has changed in the rules since so the 2 seems pretty clearly to only apply to loans within England.
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I found this quote from Warnock when the new rules were bought in. Seems to indicate overseas players aren’t affected.
It's scandalous, really. You can bring 10 from abroad, so who are we trying to help?
"Who has invented these rules? It's a disgrace, really, when I could be giving another good young English lad an opportunity of playing in the Premier League."
He's right, to be fair. A rule that actively encourages you to get foreign players in rather than home grown ones. I can't see the logic in it, but if we can get a loan forward in and he scores a dozen goals, I won't complain.
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in Jan 2018 Newcastle loaned in Kenedy, Slimani and Dubravka. That's 2 from English clubs and 1 from abroad. Nothing has changed in the rules since so the 2 seems pretty clearly to only apply to loans within England.
Norwich (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/norwich-city/leihspielerhistorie/verein/1123) kicked off this season with 3.
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Ah, good research lads. Fuck it then, go get Aguero. By tomorrow at 4pm, if possible.
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Why is everyone automatically jumping to the conclusion that he’s being bought to replace Nyland? In my view he’s been bought as an experienced back up to Nyland and Steer and nothing more. People really are adding 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
We ll see who really knows summation come Brighton next week.
I'm prepared to hold hands up but Reina is number 1 as he wouldn't move otherwise .
As well as the obvious that he's in a different league to what we have.
But you keep counting will see in a week.
Arrant nonsense mate. He’s not number 1 at his current club and he certainly isn’t in a different league to either Nyland or Steer. He was a bloody good keeper back in the day, he’s coming to the end of his career and I think will be a happy back up to the others whilst offering some decent experience.
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If Nyland plays well today he keeps the shirt, for me
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If Nyland plays well today he keeps the shirt, for me
I have never been his biggest fan but he has done well in the last few games.
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Aston Villa's new signing Pepe Reina is watching on in the stands in a flat cap.
It has taken him 24 hours to go full Tommy Shelby
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He'll be back on a plane to Milan after the game by the look on his the face of his missus.
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Return flight tonight or more overtime money requested due to how busy he’ll be ?
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He’ll be asking for a bonus for every ball he picks out of his own net.
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Welcome Pepe!
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Better get practising picking the ball out of the net.
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I think it was clear today why Nyland isn't up to it.
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I don't think many keepers are saving any of those today.
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Just forced myself to re-watch the goals.
Apart from the first and possibly the last, there was nothing Nyland could have done.
Probably opens the door for Reina to start next week though.
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I haven't seen any of the goals back but from were I was it looked like the 3rd went straight through his hands.
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Was little different to Heaton being exposed in the Leicester game. He could've easily let in six that game despite being little at fault for the four that did go past him.
Thought Nyland should've tipped the first round the post and probably could've done better for the sixth but the others were too well placed.
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Just forced myself to re-watch the goals.
Apart from the first and possibly the last, there was nothing Nyland could have done.
Probably opens the door for Reina to start next week though.
Experienced keepers like Heaton and (hopefully) Reina are about more than saves, the they control their areas and by extension the defensive line, and furthermore the shape of the whole team if they're really good. Nyland made some very good saves, which is great, but I didn't see any of that kind of leadership.
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Just forced myself to re-watch the goals.
Apart from the first and possibly the last, there was nothing Nyland could have done.
Probably opens the door for Reina to start next week though.
Experienced keepers like Heaton and (hopefully) Reina are about more than saves, the they control their areas and by extension the defensive line, and furthermore the shape of the whole team if they're really good. Nyland made some very good saves, which is great, but I didn't see any of that kind of leadership.
Good point.
Heaton was exceptional in this respect.
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Welcome Pepe
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Now official. Welcome.
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Good signing.
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Don’t be shit.
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Save us Pep.
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Just forced myself to re-watch the goals.
Apart from the first and possibly the last, there was nothing Nyland could have done.
Probably opens the door for Reina to start next week though.
Experienced keepers like Heaton and (hopefully) Reina are about more than saves, the they control their areas and by extension the defensive line, and furthermore the shape of the whole team if they're really good. Nyland made some very good saves, which is great, but I didn't see any of that kind of leadership.
I think that's exactly why he's here and why Nyland can take a back seat.
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Nyland has improved significantly but he’s still young and learning his trade...hopefully Reina will provide some much needed leadership and organisation at the back, and command his area like a boss spreading much needed confidence throughout the team.
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Three at the back may now mean goalkeepers.
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Great.
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Meh
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Excellent signing.
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Welcome Pepe.
Hope you won't be busy!
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Shrewd signing
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If we can get a striker of equivalent quality on a similar deal we'll have done well. Good signing.
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Welcome. Please don't be shit.
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Is this another loan?
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Until the end of the season yes.
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Hopefully his experience will lift the rest of the team & squad, and give some positiveness back to them.
Oh and maybe not start with Drinkwater again... just yet
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I really rated Reina when he was at Liverpool, though in his last season he certainly showed signs of decline. Obviously did well at Napoli but 5 appearances in last 18 months suggests a match fit keeper he certainly isn't. It's a huge ask to throw him straight into a team fighting relegation conceding more shots on goal, Norwich aside, than anyone else in the division. In summary, I don't see this being a successful signing.
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Welcome Pepe! Hopefully you can chip in with a few goals too.
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Signing interview (https://streamable.com/upu8a).
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Nyland has improved significantly but he’s still young and learning his trade...hopefully Reina will provide some much needed leadership and organisation at the back, and command his area like a boss spreading much needed confidence throughout the team.
Although he looks a lot younger Nyland is 29.
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Signing interview (https://streamable.com/upu8a).
After Sunday's game, I feel a little better watching that. Just what we need (well, other than a striker)
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Seems like a really nice bloke...let’s hope his performances are as good as how well he talks, and his experience rubs off on the players in front of him.
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Sounds good, I too would worry about match fitness to throw straight in. Milan have signed Begovic to replace Reina on the bench - I wonder if Bournemouth wouldn't loan him to a rival or whether we have done it this way to save one of our Premier League loans, as he'd have been as good if not better a shout I'd have thought?
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Signing interview (https://streamable.com/upu8a).
After Sunday's game, I feel a little better watching that. Just what we need (well, other than a striker)
Just can't cope with Woodward trying to feed him answers in case a 37 year-old well-travelled professional doesn't have his own opinions, had to turn off after a couple of minutes.
"Just how amazing is Villa Park? How great is it to be back in England with another European Cup winning club? Just how much of a dick am I..?"
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Signing interview (https://streamable.com/upu8a).
After Sunday's game, I feel a little better watching that. Just what we need (well, other than a striker)
Just can't cope with Woodward trying to feed him answers in case a 37 year-old well-travelled professional doesn't have his own opinions, had to turn off after a couple of minutes.
"Just how amazing is Villa Park? How great is it to be back in England with another European Cup winning club? Just how much of a dick am I..?"
He might not be everyone's cup of tea as a commentator (I've heard better) but he's not a dick.
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Is this the bloke who stood still with his arm in the air as Paolo di Canio bore down on him and tapped the ball into the goal? Or was that some other bloke from long ago?
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Fine, now for the strikerS please!!
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Is this the bloke who stood still with his arm in the air as Paolo di Canio bore down on him and tapped the ball into the goal? Or was that some other bloke from long ago?
Think you are thinking of Barthez for Manchester United.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Pepe he's an experienced keeper won the World Cup I reckon he will be a good loan signing.
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Signing interview (https://streamable.com/upu8a).
After Sunday's game, I feel a little better watching that. Just what we need (well, other than a striker)
Just can't cope with Woodward trying to feed him answers in case a 37 year-old well-travelled professional doesn't have his own opinions, had to turn off after a couple of minutes.
"Just how amazing is Villa Park? How great is it to be back in England with another European Cup winning club? Just how much of a dick am I..?"
He might not be everyone's cup of tea as a commentator (I've heard better) but he's not a dick.
Sorry, he seems harmless and a nice man. Decent singer too if memory recalls - an old video of him doing Christmas carols while Gabby and "Youngy" sniggered in the background. I just struggle with his interviews significantly.
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I don't find his commentary too bad, but the interviews with new players couldn't be any more banal if he tried.
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I think he is awful.
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We need a striker and we sign someone who's never scorted a goal in his entire career. Typical Villa.
(https://i.ibb.co/X7H6R0Q/pepe.png) (https://ibb.co/X7H6R0Q)
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I'm fine with this one, welcome Pepe. Would still keep Nyland in though.
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Wonder how long before he gets a beach ball chucked at him?
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Oh god. Someone mentioned last time he played was away at Genoa so I YouTubed it...... 40 seconds into the clip ....
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Oh god. Someone mentioned last time he played was away at Genoa so I YouTubed it...... 40 seconds into the clip ....
Fucking hell. Imagine if Nyland had been responsible for one of those for us.
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Fucking hell. Imagine if Nyland had been responsible for one of those for us.
And he saved a penalty.
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Fucking hell. Imagine if Nyland had been responsible for one of those for us.
And he saved a penalty.
He did. After giving it away in the first place. All about narrative isn't it?
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Harsh on Nyland, who wasn't given much chance by the 10 in front allowing Man City unfettered access to our penalty box, but Reina goes straight in for me. We need all the experience we can get right now. Just hoping Drinkwater comes up to speed sharpish too in midfield, because that's the area fucking us up more than anything right now. It's non-existent.
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Nyalnd was very poor against City. He should have done better with 3 of the goals.
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Personally I'd play Nyland against Brighton.
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Is this the bloke who stood still with his arm in the air as Paolo di Canio bore down on him and tapped the ball into the goal? Or was that some other bloke from long ago?
Think you are thinking of Barthez for Manchester United.
Aah, yes, thanks.
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Personally I'd play Nyland against Brighton.
Think I would too mate.
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I think he is awful.
I think most clubs in house media is awful.
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Oh god. Someone mentioned last time he played was away at Genoa so I YouTubed it...... 40 seconds into the clip ....
It looked like that got a deflection on the way through.
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https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1218259005480603650
If Pepe isn't getting the lads going from the back like this tomorrow I'm going to be bitterly disappointed.
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We need older heads and leaders in the team for the current situation. This why for me, he goes straight in the team this afternoon.
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Why is everyone automatically jumping to the conclusion that he’s being bought to replace Nyland? In my view he’s been bought as an experienced back up to Nyland and Steer and nothing more. People really are adding 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
We ll see who really knows summation come Brighton next week.
I'm prepared to hold hands up but Reina is number 1 as he wouldn't move otherwise .
As well as the obvious that he's in a different league to what we have.
But you keep counting will see in a week.
Arrant nonsense mate. He’s not number 1 at his current club and he certainly isn’t in a different league to either Nyland or Steer. He was a bloody good keeper back in the day, he’s coming to the end of his career and I think will be a happy back up to the others whilst offering some decent experience.
Go back to school for your maths. Reina is number 1
The quotes below explain why such a keeper was signed.
I already have an understanding of the intricacies of top level football clubs .
Those who advocate some second rate keeper like Nyland ,chocolate wrists as souness called him v Man city, don't really get it in my opinion.
Dean Smith on new signing Pepe Reina…
“He has settled in fine straightaway, which is what I’d expect.
“With Tom Heaton getting injured, I think everybody knew at the start of the season I was looking for a goalkeeper with Premier League experience.
“Tom has been a big plus for us this season already, unfortunately he got injured.
“We then only had two recognised senior goalkeepers. It was important we moved quickly and we’re very fortunate to get someone so vastly experienced who has got leadership qualities within the dressing room as well.
“We’re really pleased to have Pepe in the building.
“He’s vastly experienced, a leader, he will be a voice in the dressing room that we need as well.”
That is all
Pompous.
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Well I'm not fickle - not saying you are. I don't say anything about you tbh as you're entitled to your football views
Don't get me started on the absolute horrific views and comments in the formation of a Dean Smith out thread.
I think go after those people who will be critical of Dean Smith as Smith is brilliant in my view.
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Well I'm not fickle - not saying you are. I don't say anything about you tbh as you're entitled to your football views
Don't get me started on the absolute horrific views and comments in the formation of a Dean Smith out thread.
I think go after those people who will be critical of Dean Smith as Smith is brilliant in my view.
I like Smith too, Footy. But I can accept the views of people that don't and want him out.
Anyway, three points today would be be nice.
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Great save at the end.
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Great save at the end.
Looked assured today, made a good save from Maupay and his distribution was good.
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Reina started v Brighton and put in an assured and commanding display.
Top agility for saving Maupay overhead kick.
Won't be best pleased conceding as was bit too close to near post for Trossard goal baiting him to shoot across from tight angle.
Other than that Villas number 1 goal keeper had little of real note to do
Was vocal throughout and in distribution was communictating to defenders what's around them to help them not get caught in possession.
Reserve keeper Nyland was watching on from the bench as he's a back up .
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Reina started v Brighton and put in an assured and commanding display.
Top agility for saving Maupay overhead kick.
Won't be best pleased conceding as was bit too close to near post for Trossard goal baiting him to shoot across from tight angle.
Other than that Villas number 1 goal keeper had little of real note to do
Was vocal throughout and in distribution was communictating to defenders what's around them to help them not get caught in possession.
Reserve keeper Nyland was watching on from the bench as he's a back up .
That last line...pompous. You're a sad bastard, Footy.
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Reina started v Brighton and put in an assured and commanding display.
Top agility for saving Maupay overhead kick.
Won't be best pleased conceding as was bit too close to near post for Trossard goal baiting him to shoot across from tight angle.
Other than that Villas number 1 goal keeper had little of real note to do
Was vocal throughout and in distribution was communictating to defenders what's around them to help them not get caught in possession.
Reserve keeper Nyland was watching on from the bench as he's a back up .
That last line...pompous. You're a sad bastard, Footy.
Less of that.
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Good save at the end I though. Was good on the crosses aswell. Solid debut in that Heaton style manner.
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Oldest first team debuts:
37 years & 245 days - Peter Schmeichel - 2001-02 - Slaven Belupo - 21/7/2001
37 years & 140 days - Pepe Reina - 2019-20 - Brighton & Hove Albion - 18/1/2020
37 years & 88 days - Brad Friedel - 2008-09 - FH Hafnarfjardar - 14/8/2008
37 years & 23 days - Robert Pires - 2010-11 - Blackburn Rovers - 21/11/2010
36 years & 241 days - John Terry - 2017-18 - Hull City - 5/8/2017
35 years & 115 days - Shay Given - 2011-12 - Fulham - 13/8/2011
34 years & 259 days - James Paton - 1889-90 - Stoke - 17/3/1890
34 years & 72 days - Colin Calderwood - 1998-99 - West Ham United - 2/4/1999
34 years & 20 days - Les Sealey - 1991-92 - Everton - 19/10/1991
33 years & 279 days - Dick Roose - 1911-12 - Bradford City - 2/9/1911
33 years & 231 days - Bob Roberts - 1892-93 - Preston North End - 26/11/1892
33 years & 225 days - Chris Sutton - 2006-07 - Fulham - 21/10/2006
33 years & 207 days - David Ginola - 2000-01 - Leicester City - 19/8/2000
33 years & 204 days - Glenn Whelan - 2017-18 - Hull City - 5/8/2017
33 years & 189 days - Cyrille Regis - 1991-92 - Sheffield Wednesday - 17/8/1991
33 years & 160 days - Peter Broadbent - 1966-67 - Sheffield United - 22/10/1966
33 years & 130 days - Christopher Samba - 2017-18 - Hull City - 5/8/2017
33 years & 117 days - Tom Heaton - 2019-20 - Tottenham Hotspurs - 10/8/2019
33 years & 93 days - Ronny Johnsen - 2002-03 - Charlton Athletic - 11/9/2002
33 years & 58 days - Luc Nilis - 2000-01 - Marila Pribram - 22/7/2000
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Top stuff. Thank you.
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I like him that save at the end was brilliant he will be the experienced head we need in the run in he looks like he's never been away from the Premier League.
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Looking like a great bit of business.
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Is there an option to buy? Looking at his age compared to friedel's when he joined, it must be worth a punt to bring him in for a couple of seasons.
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What a fine start.
He's going to be very important.
When he came out and patted Guilbert on the back for his crucial slide tackle, it was obvious that the inexperienced players need that reassurance.
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His distribution is very good, wether its short to one of the center backs, bringing the center midfielders into play or hitting it out wide to the wing backs, most of his passes went to their intended targets.
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For the first one he actually palmed it out straight to their player but followed it up with two brilliant saves.
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He’s so much better I expected. Leadership and experience were a given but his reaction saves tonight kept us in it. Great bit of business.
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He's been very good so far.
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Those saves. I love him already.
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Very calming influence on the back line, still got the reflexes too and good distribution. A food signing a just what we need, another leader and plenty of experience too.
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I think he might be the leader we need in the dressing room, as well as being still a very good goalkeeper.
It must be hard to look around the dressing room and not be inspired by Reina.
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I think he should take all the set pieces as well;)
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Inspired signing
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A little gem.
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I think he might be the leader we need in the dressing room, as well as being still a very good goalkeeper.
It must be hard to look around the dressing room and not be inspired by Reina.
He was always talked of as a brilliant/vital character and person within those brilliant Spanish squads, which much be as good a reference as any.
As much as his general goalkeeping his distribution and composure is going to be so, so vital. Seems simple, but I’m not sure I’d trust any of our other keepers to pick out Hause’s head at the end.
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He was better with the ball at his feet than some of our outfield players have been, very impressed with his composure and weight of pass.
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He was better with the ball at his feet than some of our outfield players have been, very impressed with his composure and weight of pass.
That was the thing that struck me watching him tonight. Very composed with the ball at his feet and passed out with both feet.
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Thought he had come in as back up to Nyland, but have been v impressed with his composure and experience so far. Gives the rest of the defence some confidence as well. We shouldn’t underestimate his influence in the dressing room either
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What a great performance! Crucial saves at 1-0 and he then goes and sets up the winner - awesome!
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Thought he had come in as back up to Nyland, but have been v impressed with his composure and experience so far. Gives the rest of the defence some confidence as well. We shouldn’t underestimate his influence in the dressing room either
Yep I felt it was Nyland’s shirt to lose, but the decision vindicated by distribution, quality saves so far and a wise experienced head marshalling from the back. Good stuff.
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Very much seems to still have it, and loved his celebration on the winner. One of those no brainers that actually turns out to be a no brainer. Good stuff to all involved.
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We should keep him for next season too. Really hope if he continues like this the club cna sort something with Milan.
Love his bald head and his leadership. Good at football too.
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Clearly the manager /Club recognise the importance of a PL experience keeper in this team.
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I feel some much more confident of us staying up now we have this guy. If we do stay up I'd definitely say he deserves a12 month contract at least, from what I've seen so far. He's far too good to be sitting on the bench. We just need Mings to make sure he doesn't lose his cool and get sent off at any point between now and the end of the season.
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Love his body language, oozes confidence. A real presence.
Another massive save. Could turn out to be very good business.
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Who was it that said he was fat and out of shape? I said to a friend the other day that if I was in as good as shape as he is when I’m his age I’d be delighted...then I had a shock when I realised that I’m actually older than Reina. How the fuck did that happen?!
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I don't know how much football he has played lately and how match sharp he is but he has certainly impressed me so far.
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Class act, great signing and a great free kick
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Gives you an insight into why Liverpool fans are still so fond of him. Long may it continue.
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:-X
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Who was it that said he was fat and out of shape? I said to a friend the other day that if I was in as good as shape as he is when I’m his age I’d be delighted...then I had a shock when I realised that I’m actually older than Reina. How the fuck did that happen?!
I still find it hard to admit that I'm old enough to be most of our squad's dad.
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Reina coming in just proves there is so much more to the keeper position than just shot stopping. Confidence and a cool head is crucial, it transfers through the whole team, giving every player a lift. Having someone between the sticks who knows what they're doing, been there done that etc. You need experience in a team and the keeper position is not a bad place to have it. I just hope he can keep it up and we push on now and get well out of that bottom 3. Just need West Ham to fail in their 2 games in hand and we might just pull it off.
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Agree with that.
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I felt it was a bit harsh for Nyland to lose his place but I have to say I was very impressed with Reina last night.
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He’s done well so far.
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That punch he made second half to take the ball of Deeney’s head was worth every penny.
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He's got to be our 'biggest' acquisition in a long time, a player of global renown. Here, I suspect, as much for his character as his ability. He was excellent last night, and in that photo on the post-match thread of the immediate aftermath of the winner, he's turned to the crowd and joining in.
Any team worth its salt needs a strong spine. I like him already.
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Very impressed with him. Doesn't stop talking and looks fully committed to everything he comes for.
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I wonder if he knows he's living Gianluca Pagliuca's dream?
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Reina coming in just proves there is so much more to the keeper position than just shot stopping. Confidence and a cool head is crucial, it transfers through the whole team, giving every player a lift. Having someone between the sticks who knows what they're doing, been there done that etc. You need experience in a team and the keeper position is not a bad place to have it. I just hope he can keep it up and we push on now and get well out of that bottom 3. Just need West Ham to fail in their 2 games in hand and we might just pull it off.
I think we play West Ham on the final day, too.
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Reina coming in just proves there is so much more to the keeper position than just shot stopping. Confidence and a cool head is crucial, it transfers through the whole team, giving every player a lift. Having someone between the sticks who knows what they're doing, been there done that etc. You need experience in a team and the keeper position is not a bad place to have it. I just hope he can keep it up and we push on now and get well out of that bottom 3. Just need West Ham to fail in their 2 games in hand and we might just pull it off.
I think we play West Ham on the final day, too.
Lets hope we're well out the bottom 3 by then and we can enjoy it. Maybe even put them down as a bonus. Only room for one claret and blue team in the Premiership ;D
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I'm hoping we are safe by then, play the reserves at West Ham and send Arsenal down.
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Who was it that said he was fat and out of shape? I said to a friend the other day that if I was in as good as shape as he is when I’m his age I’d be delighted...then I had a shock when I realised that I’m actually older than Reina. How the fuck did that happen?!
I still find it hard to admit that I'm old enough to be most of our squad's dad.
I remember somebody giving me a copy of Claret & Blue magazine in the mid to late nineties which listed the date of birth of each member of the squad and feeling old because I was older than most of the players. Now I am very well aware I am old enough to be the father of most of our players.
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So far he's had relatively little to do from a pure goalkeeping perspective; a decent save from Maupay and an excellent one from Deeney, although he did inadvertently set him up before the save.
However, as has already been said, I think it's more his presence, composure and 'man management' that has benefited us most so far. So I now get why he was brought in even though Nyland had done quite well since Heaton's injury.
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top signing
goalkeeper is the most important position in the team imo
never agreed with those who were happy to go with what we had and didn’t see it as a priority
our back up keepers are ok to be honest but you really need a top end goalie with authority on the pitch and Reina is exactly that
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Being interviewed on SKY now.
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I think he has been an excellent signing and could even be the difference between us going down or staying up.
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He is brilliant. I think we should try get him in the summer for 12 months.
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His distribution is very good.
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He is brilliant. I think we should try get him in the summer for 12 months.
I've not seen a keeper so cool with a ball at his feet. Doesn't matter if it's in his own six yard box with an opposing striker incoming.
In fact, he could easily be a replacement for DD in midfield.
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Class act
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He hasn’t put a foot wrong since getting here. Aside from his ability which he clearly still has in abundance his attitude has been superb. Proper player and leader. Just superb yesterday and you can see how personally he takes it all when he’s beaten.
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He is brilliant. I think we should try get him in the summer for 12 months.
I've not seen a keeper so cool with a ball at his feet. Doesn't matter if it's in his own six yard box with an opposing striker incoming.
In fact, he could easily be a replacement for DD in midfield.
We joked yesterday that at Wembley we should play Nyland in goal and Reina at the base of midfield.
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Felt sorry for him yesterday, he kept us in it, saved a penalty and his teammates still fucked it up.
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Agree about the comments regarding Reina.
I was just a little surprised he choose to kick the ball so quickly which led to the goal. I thought he might have took a yellow to run the clock down a little. Only a small criticism as he has been excellent.
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Agree about the comments regarding Reina.
I was just a little surprised he choose to kick the ball so quickly which led to the goal. I thought he might have took a yellow to run the clock down a little. Only a small criticism as he has been excellent.
Good point. So many ifs buts and maybes.
It still hurts.
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He is certainly more of a Friedel than a Given when it comes to signing an older keeper.
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He’s been excellent for us so far, and would be a good move to sign him permanently on a 2 year deal if the price is right in the summer.
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He's clearly superb, having him and Heaton for the next couple of seasons would be brilliant although i'm not sure how you'd keep them both happy.
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Fantastic shot stopper. He’s kept himself in good shape and brings huge experience to the side. He was a bit let down by the defence after saving the Penalty. Will be worth a couple of points at least on the run-in.
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He's clearly superb, having him and Heaton for the next couple of seasons would be brilliant although i'm not sure how you'd keep them both happy.
Villa win the League Cup gain entry into the Europa League = plenty of games for Reina and Heaton. Sorted.
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I am not or wasn't at all sure about Reina starting ahead of Nyland. My view was that he is ok to sit on bench after Heaton's injury but we should stick with the youngster. However I was very impressed with his distribution and defence management at corners and free kicks. His distribution was the bedrock of most of our effective attacks.
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Did he sign an 18month deal?
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Season-long I think.
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Exclusive footage of Reina trying to get back after the corner
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3oKIPh5eg7lc2pHtgQ/source.gif)
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The man with the model looks deserves his chance between the sticks against City.
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Definitely Nyland for the final. Two good saves from Reina yesterday, but otherwise terrible.
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Dreadful yesterday. Seemed like Mings and himself had met just before the game.
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Old has been who we didn't need , wastevof money
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Think Reina has been good apart from yesterday. And everyone was rubbish yesterday.
I wondered if his tending to distribute via shortish kicks (very badly) was him trying to keep it away from Hause and Konsa who can't play out of defence.
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Old has been who we didn't need , wastevof money
He's played very well apart from yesterday.
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Some of the goals he's let in.....just think he could have got a hand on them.
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Some of the goals he's let in.....just think he could have got a hand on them.
he seems to dive for things without fully stretching his arms out
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The man with the model looks deserves his chance between the sticks against City.
McGinn is injured, and a bit small IMHO.
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The man with the model looks deserves his chance between the sticks against City.
McGinn is injured, and a bit small IMHO.
I've not been registered in time to play.
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For all his experiences and his admirable qualities in distribution (though at times questionable) what the heck was he paying at for that goal.
My gosh that summed up the lack of confidence in the defence. (Particular that defender Guilbert)
Though that was Reina choice alone and he's the one at fault.
If he stays on line or at least somewhat nearer to goal it's far harder for Barnes to score but no he does some walkabout
Now I was questioning of Nyland when he made errors so Reina has to be really take into account of his fuck up .
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It’s like the last bloke with the big Liverpool connection, acts like he is doing us a favour.
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Nyland for me from now on.
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Hopefully this idiot doesn't play for us ever again. I'd rather invest the time into getting Nyland ready for a long, hard season in the Championship.
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After tonight, I hope the FA/PL look into players betting on games. I can't think of any other reason for his performance tonight.
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Hopefully this idiot doesn't play for us ever again. I'd rather invest the time into getting Nyland ready for a long, hard season in the Championship.
Agreed 100%, send him back. Nyland has some potential and worse case scenario we might be able to sell him for a few quid. This pot bellied clown made 5 league appearances in the last two seasons at Milan. Is it any surprise his decision making is miles off.
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He played well for us at the start and I could see the logic in the signing (given I constantly call for more proven players to be signed I'd look a bit of a hypocrite)
Difficult to argue he isn't becoming a liability now though.
Would be amazed if he starts on Saturday.
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He rivals Drinkwater in the fitness stakes. He's got a right belly on him.
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There is no way he’s playing on Saturday. He’s a fucking clown.
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Two games on the trot now he has been awful, Nyland has to start the next game.
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I'd rather invest the time into getting Nyland ready for a long, hard season in the Championship.
If he stays
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I wouldn't even have him in the squad for the last run of games. Nyland first choice, Sarkic as back up. Build for the future, and don't think that having a flabby, once decent keeper is going to help, because it plainly isn't.
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I'm with you Risso. Drop him and play Nyland.
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That has to be the last we see of the bald clown. Against Spuds you could see why we brought him in, but he's turned to utter shit just like so many before him with our excellent coaching.
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Am I right in saying Reina has won one game since he's been here and kept no clean sheets?
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In the Jan window I didn't want us to waste a loan spot and wages on him - I wanted us to stick with Nyland who was in good form. But in fairness he started excellently and I admitted I was wrong - he brought a real assurance and great distribution to the team.
Now? I think I was right and wrong thinking I was wrong.
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It was a cock up but lets not go overboard, he's been pretty good overall. That said, i see no reason why we shouldn't play Nyland instead, it's possible he could be our number 1 next season if we go down.
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He's cost us points since he arrived. Looks laboured for every goal conceded
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David Squires mentions Reina in his latest cartoon.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/mar/10/david-squires-on-british-footballs-reaction-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/mar/10/david-squires-on-british-footballs-reaction-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak)
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Nicked.
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David Squires mentions Reina in his latest cartoon.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/mar/10/david-squires-on-british-footballs-reaction-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/mar/10/david-squires-on-british-footballs-reaction-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak)
Class...
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Terrible mistake for the first goal but I think he’s been impressive overall. I don’t think the change of formation will suit him as the full backs won’t push up so much do give him space to pick passes.
I’d stick with him for the duration.
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Nyland for me.
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Nyland for me.
And for me, he seems to have come on leaps and bounds under Neil Cutler and it was harsh dropping him imo.
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In the Jan window I didn't want us to waste a loan spot and wages on him - I wanted us to stick with Nyland who was in good form. But in fairness he started excellently and I admitted I was wrong - he brought a real assurance and great distribution to the team.
Now? I think I was right and wrong thinking I was wrong.
This is where I was in January
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Jed Steer for me. Spend the saving in the midfield. If there is any money left over spend it in the midfield. Without John McGinn our midfield is so wank it makes the attack and the defence fall apart.
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Yes to Steer, but no idea when he is expected to return from injury.
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I would like steer if he was fit . Return to those championship glory days
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Jed Steer for me. Spend the saving in the midfield. If there is any money left over spend it in the midfield. Without John McGinn our midfield is so wank it makes the attack and the defence fall apart.
His energy, drive and goal threat have been a far bigger miss for us than I thought it would be.
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We've played four keepers this season. By a distance Pepe has been consistently the worst. I see the logic in having signed him, but it's not paying off in any way and unlike Big Brad back in the day, it's clear Pepe should call it a day. Pepe was always a bit mental as a keeper, but in youth you're quicker, you have a bit more agility, and he had decent players in front of him to cover for those mental moments. He has none of that now. Brad always played as simply as a keeper can (and effectively). That's why he could play till 40.
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The memory isn’t what it was but the Leicester first aside, has Pepe made any other errors that have led to goals?
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The memory isn’t what it was but the Leicester first aside, has Pepe made any other errors that have led to goals?
Nothing that direct but the second against bournemouth, the first against Soton was poor, the second, I may be harsh but he's not exactly a huge keeper, and at his age, coming up for a corner when you know you can't run back is too risky. I think generally, his handling has been suspect and as per always with Reina, he's a bit too punch happy for me. I think he's rusty and well past his best and ultimately a liability. He's deciding on things his legs won't back him up on. 10 years ago he might have marauded out and got that ball before Barnes. I've never particularly seen the fuss about Reina, that being said.
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The memory isn’t what it was but the Leicester first aside, has Pepe made any other errors that have led to goals?
Very slow down to the Brighton goal on his debut. Definitely at fault for at least one v Bournemouth. No understanding or communication with his defence.
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I would like steer if he was fit . Return to those championship glory days
The impatience of youth!
Wait a couple of months, lad!
Nyland has to be first choice right now.
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Hasn't been well it seems.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8171067/Pepe-Reina-reveals-endless-minutes-fear-contracting-coronavirus.html
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The memory isn’t what it was but the Leicester first aside, has Pepe made any other errors that have led to goals?
Nothing that direct but the second against bournemouth, the first against Soton was poor, the second, I may be harsh but he's not exactly a huge keeper, and at his age, coming up for a corner when you know you can't run back is too risky. I think generally, his handling has been suspect and as per always with Reina, he's a bit too punch happy for me. I think he's rusty and well past his best and ultimately a liability. He's deciding on things his legs won't back him up on. 10 years ago he might have marauded out and got that ball before Barnes. I've never particularly seen the fuss about Reina, that being said.
It was last 10 seconds so was worth the risk. Yes we might go down (eventually) on GD but I'd rather be looking at the last minute one conceded to Spurs as far more fateful.
Reina was decent enough in that Spurs game and the ones before but Southampton and Leicester were really poor so he'd have probably been dropped for Chelsea game and he certainly won't be here for our next game given all the keepers on our books could well be fit by then, certainly Steer will be.
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Hasn't been well it seems.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8171067/Pepe-Reina-reveals-endless-minutes-fear-contracting-coronavirus.html
I missed this. I hope he and his family are all safe now. He might be one of the players Dean Smith referred to as not going to be available.
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In his short time with us Reina pulled out a few 'worldy' saves but dropped a few bollocks when he went walkabout. For me he was an old style keeper. Good at making saves but not particularly good with his feet.
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I thought passing (with feet) was supposed to be one of his strengths?
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I thought passing (with feet) was supposed to be one of his strengths?
It was - it just wasn't strong enough
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I thought passing (with feet) was supposed to be one of his strengths?
I thought he was excellent with the ball, apart from the Leicester horror show I was pretty impressed. Maybe crowd nerves given our league position made many prefer a keeper who wasn’t so focussed on keeping possession.
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in a few seasons time most (including me) will have forgotten that he ever played for us!
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in a few seasons weeks' time most (including me) will have forgotten that he ever played for us!
FTFY
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All in all a bit of a disaster.
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We seem to have had more than out fair share of goalkeeping fuckwits in recent times.
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He did play well in that win at home to Watford.
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He was an emergency loan signing, and as such he did alrightish.
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in a few seasons time most (including me) will have forgotten that he ever played for us!
The list of players from the last decade that will be forgotten would probably be a long list. The turnover from MON's appointment to the present day has been the most prolific thing about us.
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You can add Managers / CEO's into the high turn over as well as players - in truth it has been a disaster, the money we have wasted over the last 10 years is incredible.
It is easy to see why we continually struggled and eventually got relegated and our struggles after that.
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You are always going to waste money when you are thinking short term. Fans want things quickly and put pressure on their club to spend money. The clubs put pressure on themselves chasing few positions in competition with others.
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Games he played:
Brighton-Arguably could've done better for the goal but made really good late save to get us the point.
Watford- Pretty good. Made a key double save at 1-0 down.
Bournemouth- At fault for one of the goals. We were terrible for an hour anyway.
Spurs- MOTM.
Southampton- one reckless charge outside his box that got a yellow. Out of position for second but we needed a goal so had no issue with him going up for the corner.
Leicester- O.k not arguing this one!
It's pretty rare you get the first two keepers injured at same time (last time it happened we got in Gabor Kiraly of course) so had no issue with the club getting him in unlike Drinkwater given his pedigree.
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I understand players sometimes speaking out about things that upset them. I understand everyone is entitled to their own political views. But right now - getting overshadowed by the sh*tshow in London - Pepe is tweeting some stuff which I don't particularly like being associated with our club. The sooner he leaves Villa the better.
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What's he said?
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Not a lot.
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What's he said?
It's his tweets of support for a party in Spain which is not the sort of party that values the kind of diversity and acceptance that Villa stand for as a club. I wonder how Pepe would feel about wearing rainbow laces?
As a club, we're clear where we stand.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/12/05/rainbow-laces
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Which party? I can't see that he has said anything except for a post about people being out and about (I can't tell whether he is condemning them or supporting them) and a load of Liverpool stuff.
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Just checked there, and the party is apparently called Vox. He was criticised by a spanish rapper for tweeting in support of their anti-lockdown campaign, which itself is fucking moronic from someone who seems to have suffered pretty severely from the disease.
I don't know if his views extend to the sort of bigotry suggested by villainabroad, but if they do then, yes, he would deserve a lot of criticism and I wouldn't want him playing for the club.
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Thanks, I couldn't tell if he was having a go at people for breaking lockdown or celebrating them doing so, and Google Translate didn't help.
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Thanks Ger Regan - yep, that's the party. Really controversial for many in Spain, and this organising a demo which broke the lockdown (which Pepe was supporting in one of his latest tweets) is arguably a lot less controversial than other stuff they're going on about. They want to stop equal rights (e.g. stop gay marriage, which has been legal there for about 15 years) and also want to get rid of a law supporting women who suffer from domestic violence - difficult to overstate how much of a problem domestic violence is in Spain.
I say 'controversial for many', but of course there are thousands and thousands (probably millions) who don't consider it controversial, and Pepe's entitled to his opinion. He doesn't need to broadcast it so blatantly though. It p1sses me off to see him doing that on the same page where there's a pic of him wearing a villa top. If Jack or someone had tweeted the kind of support Pepe's done for a leader of a party like Vox in Britain he'd have been slapped down by everyone. But Pepe seems to have got away with it because it's all in Spanish.
Tyrone tweeted something vaguely political the other day you could argue, but that has got nothing on the people Pepe's supporting. He gives out a really dodgy vibe to me by doing so.
Not too keen on all the scouse love either!!
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Games he played:
Brighton-Arguably could've done better for the goal but made really good late save to get us the point.
Watford- Pretty good. Made a key double save at 1-0 down.
Bournemouth- At fault for one of the goals. We were terrible for an hour anyway.
Spurs- MOTM.
Southampton- one reckless charge outside his box that got a yellow. Out of position for second but we needed a goal so had no issue with him going up for the corner.
Leicester- O.k not arguing this one!
It's pretty rare you get the first two keepers injured at same time (last time it happened we got in Gabor Kiraly of course) so had no issue with the club getting him in unlike Drinkwater given his pedigree.
so to sum up 2 good games and 4 dodgy ones ... as for sending him up when we needed goal at Soton his record is 623 league apps 0 goals
Premier league alone its 291 apps 0 goals and 4 assists 1 own goal.... clutching at straws at bit
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Any player that doesnt have a future with us post summer should not be playing in our survival bid. I have to question how much Reina actually gives a toss. Were probably a shop window for him to get a few year deal at someone in the summer.
Stick to Nyland
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Well yes, but surely if he’s wanting to put himself in the shop window he’s going to be motivated to play well?
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Shouldn’t his own self respect, and the fact he’s being paid to do a job, be the only motivation he requires to play well?
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Well either way, but I’ve seen nothing to suggest he won’t try.
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Well either way, but I’ve seen nothing to suggest he won’t try.
I just prefer Nyland’s version of trying to his. He’s come back mentally and physically stronger and he has a career in front of him not behind him.
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In his first few games Reina did bring a calmness to the defence and his distribution brought another dimension to our game. I initially thought he was a wasted signing but the Watford game convinced me it was shrewd business. But as others have said, he then went downhill pretty quickly.
For me Nyland has been excellent most times he played this season - he kept a fantastic attitude despite expensive keepers being bought to play ahead of him. I really like him and would be happy for us to see out the season with him as our No 1.
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Games he played:
Brighton-Arguably could've done better for the goal but made really good late save to get us the point.
Watford- Pretty good. Made a key double save at 1-0 down.
Bournemouth- At fault for one of the goals. We were terrible for an hour anyway.
Spurs- MOTM.
Southampton- one reckless charge outside his box that got a yellow. Out of position for second but we needed a goal so had no issue with him going up for the corner.
Leicester- O.k not arguing this one!
It's pretty rare you get the first two keepers injured at same time (last time it happened we got in Gabor Kiraly of course) so had no issue with the club getting him in unlike Drinkwater given his pedigree.
Extra mention for the (indirect) assist against Watford. Might seem obvious but it takes a confident, experienced keeper to wave everyone up into the opponent's box for a last minute effort. Not sure Nyland for example, would have done the same.
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Vox featured heavily in Ed Balls' mini series about the rise of populism across Europe. They're typical right wing everymen, trying to be all things to anyone with a grievance - whether it's campaigning for bull fighting or a perceived threat to Flamenco dancing. It's the same old story - it's the "others" fault. Them over there, trying to come over here and take your heritage away. The usual crap.
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Vox featured heavily in Ed Balls' mini series about the rise of populism across Europe. They're typical right wing everymen, trying to be all things to anyone with a grievance - whether it's campaigning for bull fighting or a perceived threat to Flamenco dancing. It's the same old story - it's the "others" fault. Them over there, trying to come over here and take your heritage away. The usual crap.
Xenophobic opportunistic ******, in other words
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Games he played:
Brighton-Arguably could've done better for the goal but made really good late save to get us the point.
Watford- Pretty good. Made a key double save at 1-0 down.
Bournemouth- At fault for one of the goals. We were terrible for an hour anyway.
Spurs- MOTM.
Southampton- one reckless charge outside his box that got a yellow. Out of position for second but we needed a goal so had no issue with him going up for the corner.
Leicester- O.k not arguing this one!
It's pretty rare you get the first two keepers injured at same time (last time it happened we got in Gabor Kiraly of course) so had no issue with the club getting him in unlike Drinkwater given his pedigree.
so to sum up 2 good games and 4 dodgy ones ... as for sending him up when we needed goal at Soton his record is 623 league apps 0 goals
Premier league alone its 291 apps 0 goals and 4 assists 1 own goal.... clutching at straws at bit
Every team would send up a keeper in that situation and pretty much all of them have never scored a goal either so not sure what your point is.
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It's more the confusion they cause can create space and potentially a goal.
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Games he played:
Brighton-Arguably could've done better for the goal but made really good late save to get us the point.
Watford- Pretty good. Made a key double save at 1-0 down.
Bournemouth- At fault for one of the goals. We were terrible for an hour anyway.
Spurs- MOTM.
Southampton- one reckless charge outside his box that got a yellow. Out of position for second but we needed a goal so had no issue with him going up for the corner.
Leicester- O.k not arguing this one!
It's pretty rare you get the first two keepers injured at same time (last time it happened we got in Gabor Kiraly of course) so had no issue with the club getting him in unlike Drinkwater given his pedigree.
so to sum up 2 good games and 4 dodgy ones ... as for sending him up when we needed goal at Soton his record is 623 league apps 0 goals
Premier league alone its 291 apps 0 goals and 4 assists 1 own goal.... clutching at straws at bit
Every team would send up a keeper in that situation and pretty much all of them have never scored a goal either so not sure what your point is.
The point is as far as Reina is concerned it never works so it was /is futile.
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The point is irrelevant as it virtually never works for any goalkeeper. Still worth a try when you are going to lose anyway. Seems an utterly bizarre thing to criticise for.
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The point is irrelevant as it virtually never works for any goalkeeper. Still worth a try when you are going to lose anyway. Seems an utterly bizarre thing to criticise for.
How can it be worth a try if as you say it virtually never works?
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Because you are going to lose anyway so why not? If it doesn't work, you've lost nothing. If it does, Jimmy Glass-style hurrah. Just seems a very odd thing to criticise. Of all the things to have a go at a goalkeeper for, I don't think I've ever heard anyone moaning about their lack of goalscoring prowess before. That's a new one on me.
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He would've needed the o.k from the manager aswell, plenty of times a keeper wants to go up for corner in injury time but is told not to (presuambly to protect the GD although 4-0 defeat to Leicester rendered that a bit meaningless).
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The point is irrelevant as it virtually never works for any goalkeeper. Still worth a try when you are going to lose anyway. Seems an utterly bizarre thing to criticise for.
How can it be worth a try if as you say it virtually never works?
Because it ocassionally does, would be my guess.
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And it is occasionally, as far as I know only 2 keepers in the PL era have scored when going up for a corner/free kick, and both have a Villa connection.
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And it is occasionally, as far as I know only 2 keepers in the PL era have scored when going up for a corner/free kick, and both have a Villa connection.
I was just walking out of Goodison when Schmeichal scored, we'd been utter garbage all game and we'd had enough.
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And it is occasionally, as far as I know only 2 keepers in the PL era have scored when going up for a corner/free kick, and both have a Villa connection.
I was just walking out of Goodison when Schmeichal scored, we'd been utter garbage all game and we'd had enough.
I did exactly the same Lee even though I only live a few miles from Goodison - I was about a couple of hundred yards away when the cheers from the Villa fans was audible - we were poor that day
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Heard rom a reliable source (the wife, so it's probably been posted on a Facebook group) that Reina has gone. Any truth in it?
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He had certainly gone somewhere at the crisp bowl.
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Has it been confirmed anywhere that Heaton and Wesley are allowed to play, if fit?
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Has it been confirmed anywhere that Heaton and Wesley are allowed to play, if fit?
It's ambiguous but they won't be fit in time, anyway.
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What about Jed?
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What about Jed?
Haven’t seen anything of him. He should be well over his injury by now.
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The point is irrelevant as it virtually never works for any goalkeeper. Still worth a try when you are going to lose anyway. Seems an utterly bizarre thing to criticise for.
How can it be worth a try if as you say it virtually never works?
Because it occasionally does, would be my guess.
occasionally? only 4 goalkeepers have scored during PL (10000+games) i think you mean very very rarely
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And it is occasionally, as far as I know only 2 keepers in the PL era have scored when going up for a corner/free kick, and both have a Villa connection.
I was just walking out of Goodison when Schmeichal scored, we'd been utter garbage all game and we'd had enough.
I did exactly the same Lee even though I only live a few miles from Goodison - I was about a couple of hundred yards away when the cheers from the Villa fans was audible - we were poor that day
I was there and saw the goal. A collector's item if nothing else. I think we had another corner after it or am I imagining that?
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Nigel Sims missed an absolute sitter against Bolton. He injured his hand and because there were no subs in those days and we had an international goalkeeper playing centre half he stayed on as a makeshift striker. All 18 stone of him. He had a Villa shirt under his green jersey but it was tattered and torn. Years later I saw an Incredible Hulk film and it all came flooding back.
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The point is irrelevant as it virtually never works for any goalkeeper. Still worth a try when you are going to lose anyway. Seems an utterly bizarre thing to criticise for.
How can it be worth a try if as you say it virtually never works?
Because it occasionally does, would be my guess.
occasionally? only 4 goalkeepers have scored during PL (10000+games) i think you mean very very rarely
Considering I said how many had 1 post later I know exactly what I meant.
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The point is irrelevant as it virtually never works for any goalkeeper. Still worth a try when you are going to lose anyway. Seems an utterly bizarre thing to criticise for.
How can it be worth a try if as you say it virtually never works?
Because it occasionally does, would be my guess.
occasionally? only 4 goalkeepers have scored during PL (10000+games) i think you mean very very rarely
Considering I said how many had 1 post later I know exactly what I meant.
To really assess it you would need to know how often a team has scored when the keeper goes up (as oppopsed to just the keeper scoring) - as it always causes some confusion in the defence and has therefore contributed to the goal. You would then need to compare this against how may times a keeper has gone up for a corner in total. For a true reflection you would then need to compare this with the scoring ratio from corners in the last minute when keepers haven't gone up.
For me, given the confusion is causes and there's usually nothing to lose, I think it's worth a try.
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I have him back in next game v Chelsea please
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No gracias.
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I think I would go Heaton then Steer with Reina and Nyland to fight for 3rd choice.
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Heaton must be fit come July maybe he can save us.
Dont think this squad registration is an issue because it's a different situation with the restart.
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Heaton must be fit come July maybe he can save us.
Dont think this squad registration is an issue because it's a different situation with the restart.
Regardless of his eligibility, Heaton himself doesn't think he'll be fit enough to play this season.
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Heaton must be fit come July maybe he can save us.
Dont think this squad registration is an issue because it's a different situation with the restart.
Regardless of his eligibility, Heaton himself doesn't think he'll be fit enough to play this season.
Oh great more discouraging news..why did they bring this season back !
Anyway don't get me totally wrong . All can do a job as keeper just find Nyland especially but also now Reina have shown some poor errors and form and its frightfully concerning.
However if we keep more clean sheets than not and now to rest of season and have that bit of luck then villa can survive by a few wins and draws .
Will look at the points thing again..
I'm sure it's just a few more wins and several draws that would do it historically.
Say we get more draws than wins. Just means it's a bit longer to when we can announce survival.
Up the villa !
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Pepe seems to be up for today's game.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8560387/Pepa-Reina-says-Aston-Villa-staying-Premier-League-rank-alongside-winning-World-Cup.html
Appears to me he wouldn't mind another year or so in B6.
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Pepe seems to be up for today's game.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8560387/Pepa-Reina-says-Aston-Villa-staying-Premier-League-rank-alongside-winning-World-Cup.html
Appears to me he wouldn't mind another year or so in B6.
Please god no.
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Pepe seems to be up for today's game.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8560387/Pepa-Reina-says-Aston-Villa-staying-Premier-League-rank-alongside-winning-World-Cup.html
Appears to me he wouldn't mind another year or so in B6.
Please god no.
I’d have him here for another year. Apart from Heaton he’s the best keeper we’ve had for quite a number of years. Even at his age.
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I think he was a bit rusty when he first arrived - seems to have settled now.
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Clean sheet again please Pepe.
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I’d have him here for another year. Apart from Heaton he’s the best keeper we’ve had for quite a number of years. Even at his age.
Same here plus brings a wealth of experience. Bear in mind we need to see how Heaton returns from his injury as he's no spring chicken either.
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He’s just not mobile enough to back peddle-change direction. It’s an age thing, reminds me of Shilton in his later years. He looks good compared to our other options but that’s faint praise really. He’s certainly been important but very much a stop gap I expect.
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Bloody hell didn’t expect my comment to be a prophecy
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Bloody hell didn’t expect my comment to be a prophecy
Frank, you have powers. Any ideas on this week's lottery numbers?
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I love that clip with him in the changing rooms, he’s loving it. Great to see a player of his experience soaking it up and enjoying being here. He’s had a few wobbles but in general he’s probably been a massive influence behind the scenes and has helped steady us in recent weeks.
That goal against West Ham was a freak.
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I'd have no problem with giving him another year. He seems to be a pretty integral part of the team and clearly 'gets' the club.
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Rumour we’ve offered him 2 years.....I would’ve been ok with another year, but 2?? seems we never learn.
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Heaton might not be playing till October/November so I would be happy with another year.
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I love that clip with him in the changing rooms, he’s loving it. Great to see a player of his experience soaking it up and enjoying being here. He’s had a few wobbles but in general he’s probably been a massive influence behind the scenes and has helped steady us in recent weeks.
That goal against West Ham was a freak.
I wouldn't be against giving him another year, but the West Ham goal wasn't the first time he was too slow in getting back to his line. I do like his leadership skills, as it means he can bollock the defence instead of Mings doing it all the time. For the first time really since we were up, a back five of Reina, Guilbert/Elmo, Konsa, Mings, Targett looked fairly stable and didn't give me heart failure every time the other team had the ball. The way they nullified Arsenal in particular was very impressive.
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Rumour we’ve offered him 2 years.....I would’ve been ok with another year, but 2?? seems we never learn.
Could be one year with an option for a second?
Either way 2 years is fine. He's a GK.
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Rumour we’ve offered him 2 years.....I would’ve been ok with another year, but 2?? seems we never learn.
Whenever that phrase "we never learn" is wheeled out it's always about either something we've not done before, or in response to a rumour that invariably proves to be false.
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If it was a 5-year contract for a 40-year old, I think you could say we never learn.
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I'm against any contract offer. It's expensive (taking funds away fronm our other priorities in this transfer window), reduces the options for giving playing-time to our other keepers and reduces the price for any we are looking to sell. Even if we are selling Kalinic we have Steer and Nyland to use who I'd prefer in pre-season and the first few games to using Reina. That's if Heaton is not back to full fitness, which he may be.
It's a 'No; thanks for what you did last season.' from me.
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If it was a 5-year contract for a 40-year old, I think you could say we never learn.
A five year deal for a 35 year old for Shay Given wasn't great.
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I'm against any contract offer. It's expensive (taking funds away fronm our other priorities in this transfer window), reduces the options for giving playing-time to our other keepers and reduces the price for any we are looking to sell. Even if we are selling Kalinic we have Steer and Nyland to use who I'd prefer in pre-season and the first few games to using Reina. That's if Heaton is not back to full fitness, which he may be.
It's a 'No; thanks for what you did last season.' from me.
For me Steer and Nyland are 3rd choice keepers, I wouldn't trust Steer to stay fit long enough to be more and Nyland has shown he has too many mistakes in him. Reina in for a year as competition for Heaton is fine by me and then I'd spend the year looking for a long term number 1 to sign next summer, at that point we can go almost 'no expense spared' in our search, which we can't do this year with 4/5 keepers on the books.
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For me Steer and Nyland are 3rd choice keepers
Not for me; Steer should be given more of a chance because he performed really well last time he was given a run. Smith or someone else appears to not like him but he's proven to be capable and is in his prime, looking for playing time. I agree tho' that Nyland does not inspire confidence.
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I'm against any contract offer. It's expensive (taking funds away fronm our other priorities in this transfer window), reduces the options for giving playing-time to our other keepers and reduces the price for any we are looking to sell. Even if we are selling Kalinic we have Steer and Nyland to use who I'd prefer in pre-season and the first few games to using Reina. That's if Heaton is not back to full fitness, which he may be.
It's a 'No; thanks for what you did last season.' from me.
I don’t believe there is a fee involved. I think Milan are willing to release him early due to his wages. At least that is what I read.
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For me Steer and Nyland are 3rd choice keepers
Not for me; Steer should be given more of a chance because he performed really well last time he was given a run. Smith or someone else appears to not like him but he's proven to be capable and is in his prime, looking for playing time. I agree tho' that Nyland does not inspire confidence.
You cut that quote badly because I said my issue with Steer is a fitness one not an ability one, I just don't have the confidence in him being able to play for a long stint of games.
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Reina for all his organisational qualities looks slow, poor with the ball at his feet and seems to have that knack of having balls loop over him. It's a big no from me.
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no point - how many goal keepers do we need?
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Goalkeepers at Bodymoor Heath will soon have their own entrance, car park, gym, canteen.
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Three. But I don't mind us having four until Heaton is back. Get rid of Kalinic now, shift Nyland in January if Heaton has proven his fitness.
That's assuming the winter transfer window is in January.
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I rate both Steer and Heaton. Nyland is okay as a back up for those two. Kalinic is clearly down the pecking order and will probably go. He has played seven games for us in two years. It was feast or famine with Reina last season. In the limited time he played for us I saw him pull off a couple of worldies and drop a couple of clangers.
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If Steer could stay fully fit, and if Heaton has made good progress with his injury then I would be happy enough with those two plus Nyland. Those are a couple of very big ifs though.
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If Steer could stay fully fit, and if Heaton has made good progress with his injury then I would be happy enough with those two plus Nyland. Those are a couple of very big ifs though.
Yep, that's why I'd be happy to Reina back for another year. As above, I'd try to get Steer out on loan for a year so he can prove he can physically cope with being a regular.
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All of our keepers have looked better when we don’t concede 20 shots on goal a game.
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When will Heaton be back?
At the end of May he said he was targeting the start of the new season and I've seen no reports of problems since.
If he is training fully when they return and barring any injury breakdown, I would have thought he will be available in September. Some on here are suggesting October or November but not sure why?
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Starts training two weeks time.
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Heaton is not going to be fit for the start of the season and who knows if Steer will be. Nyland and Kalinic are both not good enough to be anything other than a 'break glass in emergency' keeper.
Reina was a big part of our improved defence post lockdown, and clearly from the clips going around is a big personality in the dressing room. For 1-2 years its a good move.
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Starts training two weeks time.
Thanks. I've not seen anything that suggests he will not be involved in full training - so presumably he is available for selection in friendlies and the PL when it starts.
So with the transfer window open until mid Oct, I would assume Heaton first choice, then Nyland and Steer as back-up.
Even if Reina is happy to sit on our bench rather than the one in Milan I can't see why we would want to spend the money on his wages. If Heaton breaks down in the first few weeks, then there is time to sort something out (like get Reina back in) but no reason to offer him one or two years at this point ... even if he did enjoy a dance and a song after we stayed up.
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Heaton is not going to be fit for the start of the season and who knows if Steer will be. Nyland and Kalinic are both not good enough to be anything other than a 'break glass in emergency' keeper.
Reina was a big part of our improved defence post lockdown, and clearly from the clips going around is a big personality in the dressing room. For 1-2 years its a good move.
How are you sure? He said in May he would be back for the start of the season and I've not seen a report of a problem since.
He might be rusty for a few weeks and there is a risk of injury, but there will always be that.
When we restarted, I think stopping shots on target was the greatest contribution to not conceding and that was Douglas Luiz and better concentration from the defenders IMO.
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We have a very good goalkeeping coach in Neil Cutler who was quite prominent on the bench post-lockdown. I'm sure he will be inputting into the discussion. To be fair I thought Reina helped get us over the line the last few games, all depends on how far Heaton is from fitness I think. I doubt they want to spend big on another keeper.
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Rumour we’ve offered him 2 years.....I would’ve been ok with another year, but 2?? seems we never learn.
Could be one year with an option for a second?
Either way 2 years is fine. He's a GK.
He’s lost his agility , in respect to changing direction. But is using his footballing brain well to make up to a degree. Can’t see him at Villa beyond this season, so why give him 2 years?
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He went from on the bench with Milan to straight in the firing line with us, let's not forget.
There are signs the reflexes are going, as was the case with Friedel in is last year with us. But how much of that is down to conditioning or just Father Time is hard to say. A good summer's pre season (accepting it's not the same as a usual one) and he might be fine for another year or two at a high level. With us or someone else.
Nyland inspires terror in most Villa fans I've met, so you can imagine the defenders playing in front of him are never truly sure what they're going to get.
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He still has an air about him, and irrespective of whichever wears the number one shirt I think him and Heaton as a goalkeeping pair will be better for getting the best out of each other than any other pairing of goalkeepers we can stick together at Bodymoor.
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He still has an air about him, and irrespective of whichever wears the number one shirt I think him and Heaton as a goalkeeping pair will be better for getting the best out of each other than any other pairing of goalkeepers we can stick together at Bodymoor.
I agree. I was all for giving Nyland a chance to properly establish himself. Unfortunately I think I was wrong and Reina seems a sensible solution to me.
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Even when he plays well, Nyland seems to be in a permanent state of panic. I think one of the key relationships is the keeper and the defence, and you need a cocky, confident bastard between the sticks, especially with a big character like Mings in the defence.
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Nyland is a keeper who'll produce excellent saves at the top end of some not so great league/division, but who'll make too many errors if put under pressure at the bottom end of a high quality league.
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Are coaching staff wages counted towards FFP costs or are they considered infrastructure/investment? Could you get away with paying Reina £30k as a part-time player and £30k as a part-time coach? Therefore 50% of his wages are don’t go against the books?
Not saying we should do this, with those figure, but in principle?
I think Saracens did the same with one of their scrum halves and... well yeah that didn’t end too well.
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If a player is registered to play, then I imagine the costs associated with his employment have to be included in the calculations for FFP.
Plus - as I understand it - FFP is about football related expenditure (and income) so I would assume the cost of the coaching staff, plus kit and equipment is included. So being a part-time coach would not 'hide' the cost of a player or a part of it.
I don't know this it would just seem bonkers to not be the case even for professional football.
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I think it would be a poor signing tbh. He's dropped a few clangers, we'd be cursing him if we'd gone down because of them. For the West Ham goal he stood still for about 3 seconds while the ball looped up and over him. It should have been a comfortable tip over. Not sure which game it was (Arsenal?) where the ball hit the post, he completely missed catching it, bounced off his knee and by pure luck hit his other leg.
As it turns out they didn't cost us, but could've been massive. I agree he talks to the defence well and looks a laugh, but there must be better out there. Did someone say Etheridge was out of contract? I don't post much so feel free to file under utter waffle.
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A 2 year contract sends out quite a different message to a 1 year one. First, it's a good sign for Pepe who'll be able to see that we see him as more than just a short term fix. I get the impression he's a strong character in the dressing room, and we're better off for having him there.
It also suggests to be that (at least) 2 from Kalinic, Nyland, and Steer have no long term future at the club, and if any of those remain it'll be as a third choice keeper.
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Well, I think we can write Kalinic off. I would rather keep Steer than Nyland.
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I think it would be a poor signing tbh. He's dropped a few clangers, we'd be cursing him if we'd gone down because of them. For the West Ham goal he stood still for about 3 seconds while the ball looped up and over him. It should have been a comfortable tip over. Not sure which game it was (Arsenal?) where the ball hit the post, he completely missed catching it, bounced off his knee and by pure luck hit his other leg.
As it turns out they didn't cost us, but could've been massive. I agree he talks to the defence well and looks a laugh, but there must be better out there. Did someone say Etheridge was out of contract? I don't post much so feel free to file under utter waffle.
Absolutely agree.
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Joe Hart is out of contract...
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Joe Hart is out of contract...
Head and shoulders better than a lot we could sign.
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He'll want to be first choice somewhere though.
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Would be happy to give him a year but no more. Decent to have in the dressing room for a sing song though.
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I think he's past it at the top level .
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Later day Joe Hart makes Nyland look like Lev Yashin.
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He looks like someone who has suffered a massive loss of confidence and hasn't got it back which is a shame because he was a decent keeper at one point.
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I wouldn't keep him on although not sure how long Steer and Heaton are out for
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Joe Hart is out of contract...
Has been linked to Celtic which might suit him better.
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It would suit us better too.
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He would do well at Celtic or Rangers having to face one shot on target per match.
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He would do well at Celtic or Rangers having to face one shot on target per match.
The way his form dropped off he'd still concede 2.
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more flaps than pornhub
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/53916132
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Our old boy loves a song song
https://twitter.com/avfcsam1982/status/1415703504501583881?s=21
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Our old boy loves a song song
https://twitter.com/avfcsam1982/status/1415703504501583881?s=21
Wow! Is that really a TV show?
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Our old boy loves a song song
https://twitter.com/avfcsam1982/status/1415703504501583881?s=21
Someone's slipped LSD tabs into my pint again.
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Our old boy loves a song song
https://twitter.com/avfcsam1982/status/1415703504501583881?s=21
Wow! Is that really a TV show?
It's been on in the UK for a couple of years. Syndicated from the successful ITV version, no?
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From the US version which I thought was first.