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Title: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 07, 2020, 10:48:05 AM
May as well have his own thread as this looks increasingly likely.

A player who wasn't good enough to get in a team who have just been outclassed by Villa. Hmm. Prove me wrong, Danny.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2020, 10:56:15 AM
Seems a gamble to use one of our two loan slots on a player who has been so out of form.  But if he steps up he could be very useful.  Big IF though.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: PeterWithe on January 07, 2020, 10:56:47 AM
Does seem to be one of those O'Neill type ego signings where he's been bought in to prove what a good manager/coaches we have to get a tune out of him when others cant.

Still, he was very good at Leicester so there is something to work toward.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2020, 10:56:50 AM
I can say with 100% certainty that my brother, who has little time or patience for unadventurous footballers, will fucking hate him by about his third appearance.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Axl Rose on January 07, 2020, 10:57:32 AM
How uninspiring, boring and desperate. Just what we need: another one paced, weed of a midfielder. The mind boggles.

Not a fan.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: phantom limb on January 07, 2020, 10:58:21 AM
A bit worrying.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2020, 11:00:07 AM
Mind you, he might be trying to win his England squad place back, so we could have a highly motivated player on our hands.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: frank black on January 07, 2020, 11:03:35 AM
Mind you, he might be trying to win his England squad place back, so we could have a highly motivated player on our hands.

Lol
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Brassneck on January 07, 2020, 11:03:51 AM
Now he's here, I will cast all reservations behind me and give him a chance.

For me, I'm now 100% behind him and am looking to the future, not what has gone on in the past.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: aj2k77 on January 07, 2020, 11:06:04 AM
Shit signing. Underwhelmed. Another player signed who hasn't done bugger all for years, like the bad old days again.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: frank black on January 07, 2020, 11:06:13 AM
I fully expect this to be an awful signing, oh well weíll see.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: TheMalandro on January 07, 2020, 11:07:02 AM
This signing doesn't smell very good.

Prove us all wrong.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: tomd2103 on January 07, 2020, 11:12:34 AM
Think it is the right type of signing, in that it is a central midfielder who has top flight experience, but not sure it is the right person to be honest given his recent past.

Also not sure we should have burned a loan on that position.  We really could do with a permanent option in that position and use loans to fill in more short-term needs like a keeper.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 07, 2020, 11:13:11 AM
Good luck to him
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Fred Crump on January 07, 2020, 11:13:25 AM
Underwhelming
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Legion on January 07, 2020, 11:13:28 AM
Is this conjecture or truth? We hardly need yet another ineffective midfielder.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 07, 2020, 11:15:05 AM
I suppose it's a question of how far from his best he is now and how much closer he can get back to it.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Dave on January 07, 2020, 11:18:00 AM
Seems a gamble to use one of our two loan slots on a player who has been so out of form. 

And the "slow, doesn't really attack and doesn't really defend central midfielder" part of our squad isn't really the area that needs urgent attention.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: PeterWithe on January 07, 2020, 11:21:02 AM
Am I right in thinking he's a kind of Ashley Westwood type player? Who couldn't budge Ashley Westwood from the Burley team?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2020, 11:24:45 AM
Not a good use of the loan market for me.

Get Sidwell/Cleverley vibes about him. Bar 4-5 decent games from each both were big disappointments despite being hyped when they signed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
Sidwell and Cleverly were much better. Drinkwater gives me more Jenas vibes than anything.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 07, 2020, 11:27:06 AM
Not a good use of the loan market for me.

Get Sidwell/Cleverley vibes about him. Bar 4-5 decent games from each both were big disappointments despite being hyped when they signed.

Sidwell yes certainly, but Cleverley played some of his best football for us and his goals basically kept us up that season. Not advocating for that type of player because sideways passes are not what we're lacking right now, but I actually think he did alright for us overall.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: aj2k77 on January 07, 2020, 11:29:30 AM
Confirms too that there won't be any Giroud or Batsuayi deal. It's imperative that we get the right man up front now. A Benteke type signing to be honest would be too big a gamble, signing two players who barely play in the hope of keeping us up. We'd deserve to go down with that type of thinking, that I thought was consigned to the past.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2020, 11:31:06 AM
Confirms too that there won't be any Giroud or Batsuayi deal.

Why?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 07, 2020, 11:32:15 AM
Confirms too that there won't be any Giroud or Batsuayi deal.

Why?

PL clubs can only take 1 loan player from a rival.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2020, 11:32:55 AM
Confirms too that there won't be any Giroud or Batsuayi deal.

Why?

PL clubs can only take 1 loan player from a rival.

Fuck.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2020, 11:33:48 AM
Surely the paying his wages in full rumour isn't true? Burnley certainly weren't so baffling if we're doing it.

Reminds me of when we took Jenas full salary for the season and he got injured in his second game for the season. Surely we have more suave people at the club negotiating now?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: PeterWithe on January 07, 2020, 11:35:02 AM
He's not actually made that many appearances for a 29 year old player.

Oh well, lets hope he's motivated to do his best, which should be good enough.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 07, 2020, 11:35:21 AM
DS: Frankie boy, do us a favour. As we're short on goals, give us Batshuayi or Giroud on loan?
FL: Sorry mate no can do, I can offer you a jaundiced alcoholic man-child who can't drive himself to a medical?
DS: ...............Where do I sign.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 07, 2020, 11:36:22 AM
I know that somebody always does this when we sign an over-the-hill alcoholic, but imagine the internet was around when...Paul McGrath...

Ach...My heart's not in it.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2020, 11:36:33 AM
Sidwell and Cleverly were much better. Drinkwater gives me more Jenas vibes than anything.

Cleverley did nothing to about late March and that upturn under Sherwood for a brief period.

Sidwell was a little better but still a massive disappointment considering how good he was at Reading. Shows how playing little in a year can reduce your effectiveness. Drinkwater hasn't had a regular game since the 2015-16 season.....

It's a low bar and I doubt he'll even reach those heights.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 07, 2020, 11:37:03 AM
I know that somebody always does this when we sign an over-the-hill alcoholic, but imagine the internet was around when...Paul McGrath...

Ach...My heart's not in it.

You tried pal.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 07, 2020, 11:37:21 AM
Surely the paying his wages in full rumour isn't true? Burnley certainly weren't so baffling if we're doing it.

Reminds me of when we took Jenas full salary for the season and he got injured in his second game for the season. Surely we have more suave people at the club negotiating now?

I wouldn't say much in defence of Tom Fox, but I'd struggle to say he wasn't suave.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Bren'd on January 07, 2020, 11:38:12 AM
Great, we've got a player potentially as useful as Lansbury, just what we need. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: AV82EC on January 07, 2020, 11:39:37 AM
Meh.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2020, 11:40:00 AM
At least he has an ironic name.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 07, 2020, 11:40:04 AM
Lampard really does seem to have taken his playoff defeat fucking personally.

Beat Villa. Tick.

Lose to everyone else in the bottom half. Tick.

Any more ideas for how to relegate Villa? Well, surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to loan Drinkwater...
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 07, 2020, 11:41:47 AM
Leicester fans I know said he was brilliant for them but he has gone off the rails massively since then .

Might work If we can find a young Jamie Vardy
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 07, 2020, 11:42:59 AM
Leicester fans I know said he was brilliant for them but he has gone off the rails massively since then .

Might work If we can find a young Jamie Vardy

Christ, even Jamie Vardy was never a young Jamie Vardy
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 07, 2020, 11:43:07 AM
He's not actually made that many appearances for a 29 year old player.

Oh well, lets hope he's motivated to do his best, which should be good enough.

5 premier league starts since August 2017.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Flin5tone on January 07, 2020, 11:44:22 AM
I did post not so longg back this window will show us how the owners see the club going forward... Danny Drinkwater

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: aj2k77 on January 07, 2020, 11:45:09 AM
So what have the scouts been doing? This can't be based on any of their research because he hasn't played enough to form any opinion on his current ability. It's basically a shot in the dark and the hope of re-finding the form of 3 years ago. I don't like that kind of punt at all.
 
It's not the money involved, which will be minimal, it's the outlook taken under pressure and the fact we will be basically going with what we have now in Midfield. The center anyway.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: frank black on January 07, 2020, 11:45:15 AM
Surprised this has happened so early in January. You would have expected his agent to tell him to leave it longer and assess all the offers on the table.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 07, 2020, 11:45:16 AM
He's not actually made that many appearances for a 29 year old player.

Oh well, lets hope he's motivated to do his best, which should be good enough.

5 premier league starts since August 2017.

Fun fact: that's fewer league starts than Gabby Agbonlahor in the same time period. And he retired in 2018.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2020, 11:45:51 AM
He's not actually made that many appearances for a 29 year old player.

Oh well, lets hope he's motivated to do his best, which should be good enough.

5 premier league starts since August 2017.

Fuck. Me.

You know I really hope this comes off, but Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: aj2k77 on January 07, 2020, 11:46:01 AM
Surprised this has happened so early in January. You would have expected his agent to tell him to leave it longer and assess all the offers on the table.

*baddum tish*
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 07, 2020, 11:46:10 AM
It would be truly embarrassing for all parties if he failed a medical now.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: PeterWithe on January 07, 2020, 11:47:57 AM
He's not actually made that many appearances for a 29 year old player.

Oh well, lets hope he's motivated to do his best, which should be good enough.

5 premier league starts since August 2017.

If I was General Krulak, at this point I would be telling you how much he'll have to prove.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2020, 11:49:14 AM
Confirms too that there won't be any Giroud or Batsuayi deal.

Why?

PL clubs can only take 1 loan player from a rival.

I'm sure we could make a successful case that Chelsea are in no way our rivals.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2020, 11:49:33 AM
Not exactly the awesome signing we all hoped for. Couldnít even get into a piss poor Burnley side. Positive is he has a pulse so heís better than Lansbury.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 07, 2020, 11:50:50 AM
Not exactly the awesome signing we all hoped for. Couldnít even get into a piss poor Burnley side. Positive is he has a pulse so heís better than Lansbury.

It's just a tad arrythmic on account of all the booze.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: aj2k77 on January 07, 2020, 11:53:59 AM
Who will be the first to come up with a nickname that sticks with him that we can use to beat him with when he's playing crap?

I propose DoesntDrinkwater to start us off.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: mallo on January 07, 2020, 11:54:28 AM
Maybe he's being brought in more for defensive capabilities - I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but my god, he's got an awful lot to prove.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Bren'd on January 07, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
Dishwater?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2020, 11:55:32 AM
He's not actually made that many appearances for a 29 year old player.

Oh well, lets hope he's motivated to do his best, which should be good enough.

5 premier league starts since August 2017.
Fucking hell.  I try to be glass half full with signings, but gulp...

Clutching at straws, Mings hadn't made maby starts before he signed for us?

But the biggest gut wrencher for me on this is it means definitely no Giroud, who I felt was ideal. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: aj2k77 on January 07, 2020, 11:56:30 AM
Actually change my suggestion to Danny Drinklager.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2020, 11:57:08 AM
Who will be the first to come up with a nickname that sticks with him that we can use to beat him with when he's playing crap?

I propose DoesntDrinkwater to start us off.

I don't think it's his real surname, just got so used to hearing the phrase 'Danny drink water' that he assumed it was and lost his old one in a boozy fog.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Ger Regan on January 07, 2020, 11:57:18 AM
I'm happy to see the club continue its long and proud tradition of completely pointless loan moves.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on January 07, 2020, 12:01:18 PM
I can't remember, but perhaps it was Kante that made this lad look good?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2020, 12:02:16 PM
Dishwater?

Prefixed with 'Fanny'.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 07, 2020, 12:03:31 PM
Completely uninspiring but worse, probably pointless. We have two "defensive" minded midfielders in Luiz and Nakamba. if we wanted a Mcginn replacement we needed a box to box type player with mobility and a bit of drive to go past players. Drinkwater never had that, even in his pomp.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Mellin on January 07, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
Putting on my positive hat, I don't think any sane person would look at our squad and think what we need right now is what Danny Drinkwater offers alone. There must be other irons in the fire (out wide, up front, maybe goalkeeper).
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Risso on January 07, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
The only positive I can think of is that I wasn't enthused when I heard of the Mings loan, and that turned out well.  On the other hand, I thought Tom Carroll would be a pointless waste of space, and so it transpired.

I really can't see how this looks like a good idea though.  He's got a very suspect attitude and I'm not sure that a Billy Big Bollocks who got a battering for chatting up another player's girlfriend is the sort of character our shaky team spirit needs right now.  Still, bound to be better than Lansbury.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 07, 2020, 12:24:11 PM
At least he has an ironic name.

Like!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Risso on January 07, 2020, 12:25:52 PM
He's not actually made that many appearances for a 29 year old player.

Oh well, lets hope he's motivated to do his best, which should be good enough.

5 premier league starts since August 2017.

Fuck. Me.

You know I really hope this comes off, but Jesus Christ.

On the other hand, he should be raring to go and not suffering mid-winter fatigue.  Look, I'm just trying to find the positives in this, stop looking at me like that.  Christ.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: JJ-AV on January 07, 2020, 12:28:24 PM
I'm not particularly inspired as he's had a second chance at Burnley and not taken it. However this time last year I wasn't inspired with Mings and Hause and recalling Steer, Elphick and Green and that got us promoted, so shows what I know.

What I would say is he's 6 feet and strong, and we lack height and strength. Also his long pass is absolutely brilliant and if we can get a mobile forward Jack and the new guy would surely thrive off it.

And if Batshuayi and Giroud don't want to come there's nothing we can do about it.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 07, 2020, 12:30:41 PM
Has it been confirmed anywhere that they don't want to come? They can't, now, as we can only have one loan per club.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Risso on January 07, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
Crashed his car while driving drunk, said he's learnt his lesson.  Goes off to Burnley to revive his career, and gets pissed and beaten up.  If he was still any good whatsoever, surely he'd be getting some sort of game time at Burnley?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2020, 12:34:49 PM
I'm not particularly inspired as he's had a second chance at Burnley and not taken it. However this time last year I wasn't inspired with Mings and Hause and recalling Steer, Elphick and Green and that got us promoted, so shows what I know.

What I would say is he's 6 feet and strong, and we lack height and strength. Also his long pass is absolutely brilliant and if we can get a mobile forward Jack and the new guy would surely thrive off it.

And if Batshuayi and Giroud don't want to come there's nothing we can do about it.
he's 5/10 and lightweight isn't he?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
Hmmm.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2020, 12:35:47 PM
Has it been confirmed anywhere that they don't want to come? They can't, now, as we can only have one loan per club.
It doesn't matter if it's been confirmed.  Their agents can tell us direct without going through Twitter.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 07, 2020, 12:43:53 PM
To echo Monty's clinical and superb footballing analysis of the deal, fuck!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: achilles on January 07, 2020, 12:45:34 PM
Villa had better know what they are doing because if this comes off in my eyes it will be a total waste of time and confirm our relegation.

We cannot use our only loan option up on an alcoholic who seems like a total arsehole, priority is a striker 100%!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 07, 2020, 12:46:30 PM
Can you believe Chelsea payed £35 million for him...   Crazy
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2020, 12:47:39 PM
Villa had better know what they are doing because if this comes off in my eyes it will be a total waste of time and confirm our relegation.

We cannot use our only loan option up on an alcoholic who seems like a total arsehole, priority is a striker 100%!
Of course it won't confirm relegation, don't be so melodramatic.

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: mr underhill on January 07, 2020, 12:49:05 PM
Are we really shelling out £110k a week for this cnut? FFS, we never learn.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Mister E on January 07, 2020, 12:53:12 PM
Defensive frailty has been our problem this season. If this guy can organise our MF defending more effectively, allowing Luiz to play in a more box-to-box role and adding a bit of steel then - fine!
We all remain to be convinced!

Interesting to see where he is played and who he replaces.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 07, 2020, 12:58:12 PM
Are we really shelling out £110k a week for this cnut? FFS, we never learn.

No we aren't. Same deal as Burnley with Chelsea paying the majority of his wages.

Keeping us sweet for when they take Terry in the summer
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Demitri_C on January 07, 2020, 01:00:04 PM
Jesus what another gambl. Madness. He has played what four games all year?? Shambles
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 07, 2020, 01:01:05 PM
An impressively uninspiring signing, let's hope most of us are wrong.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 07, 2020, 01:04:28 PM
Not the most inspiring signing, but hopefully he realises this is his last chance at a big club and he can step up.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Drummond on January 07, 2020, 01:04:37 PM
The only positive I can think of is that I wasn't enthused when I heard of the Mings loan, and that turned out well.  On the other hand, I thought Tom Carroll would be a pointless waste of space, and so it transpired.

I really can't see how this looks like a good idea though.  He's got a very suspect attitude and I'm not sure that a Billy Big Bollocks who got a battering for chatting up another player's girlfriend is the sort of character our shaky team spirit needs right now.  Still, bound to be better than Lansbury.

It worked for our assistant coach though....

I'm a little underwhelmed but there is obviously a half-decent player in there, let's hope he works out.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: dicedlam on January 07, 2020, 01:07:53 PM
The players should stay vigilant and know where there wives and girlfriends are at all times... We have another one on the books!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Ian J on January 07, 2020, 01:11:24 PM
He's not actually made that many appearances for a 29 year old player.

Oh well, lets hope he's motivated to do his best, which should be good enough.

5 premier league starts since August 2017.

Fuck. Me.

You know I really hope this comes off, but Jesus Christ.

On the other hand, he should be raring to go and not suffering mid-winter fatigue.  Look, I'm just trying to find the positives in this, stop looking at me like that.  Christ.
Who's this imposter?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Clampy on January 07, 2020, 01:13:42 PM
I haven't seen a great deal of him but at least we can give Nakamba a breather every now and again I suppose. Not what I was expecting transfer wise but let's give him a go.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Ian J on January 07, 2020, 01:18:13 PM
I must admit I had completely forgot that Chelsea paid 40M for him in 2017, that's nearly twice as much as our record ever signing.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2020, 01:27:51 PM
I'm not a fan but if this means Lansbury is moved on then it's fine by me.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 07, 2020, 01:34:35 PM
Are we really shelling out £110k a week for this cnut? FFS, we never learn.

No.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 07, 2020, 01:35:22 PM
Villa had better know what they are doing because if this comes off in my eyes it will be a total waste of time and confirm our relegation.

We cannot use our only loan option up on an alcoholic who seems like a total arsehole, priority is a striker 100%!

It's not our only loan option.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: LukeJames on January 07, 2020, 01:37:14 PM
Confirmed.

I dont like the feel of this one at all.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Ian J on January 07, 2020, 01:39:17 PM
Come on Danny prove me wrong! Let's have that player that helped win Leicester the league.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: GarTomas on January 07, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
Wait and see for me...
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: Luke8 on January 07, 2020, 01:40:21 PM

What I would say is the market in January is very difficult. Not that many players available, clubs more unwilling to sell and we are clearly not in the position to gamble on a Ďdevelopment playerí currently as we were in the summer.

Hard to make too much of a judgement until he plays at least a few games given that he has player so little recently. Would expect him to be an improvement on Lansbury and possibly Nakamba (on current form at least)

Difficult to find the type of player to replace what McGinn gives us so I guess the idea might be for Luiz to basically replace McGinn in a more box to box role and Drinkwater to be the player that sits a bit deeper if/when he plays.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 07, 2020, 01:40:22 PM
Oh well, erm... good luck DD.

Prove a lot of people, including me, wrong.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: frank black on January 07, 2020, 01:40:33 PM
Welcome Danny, as you can see we all support you and have no doubts in your ability 😂 to make this move a success.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Ger Regan on January 07, 2020, 01:41:14 PM
This year's tom carroll.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 07, 2020, 01:41:26 PM
Completely uninspiring but worse, probably pointless. We have two "defensive" minded midfielders in Luiz and Nakamba. if we wanted a Mcginn replacement we needed a box to box type player with mobility and a bit of drive to go past players. Drinkwater never had that, even in his pomp.

Neither of whom are up to the standard needed - at the moment - possibly better to roll the dice and try your luck rather than doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: exigo on January 07, 2020, 01:41:34 PM
Now officially stretching the shirt. By wearing it, sadly.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Villan For Life on January 07, 2020, 01:42:38 PM
Welcome to the Villa Danny. Now go on and prove us wrong.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
He has yet another chance to revive what was a decent career. Letís hope this stint at a club wearing claret and blue is better than his last.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: phantom limb on January 07, 2020, 01:47:05 PM
His off-field issues aside, Iím always sceptical of players who voluntarily give up a decent chunk of their playing career to sit on Chelseaís/Man Cityís bench. I really donít see how this move benefits us when we are absolutely desperate for a striker.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 07, 2020, 01:47:37 PM
Christ almighty what a fuck up.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: ktvillan on January 07, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
At least he has an ironic name.

Like!

The best since Dennis Wise.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Bad English on January 07, 2020, 01:49:51 PM
Great stuff! Another piece in the jigsaw. In Deano we trust. Up the fucking Villa!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Flin5tone on January 07, 2020, 01:51:32 PM
The Bars on Broad Street like this
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Bren'd on January 07, 2020, 01:51:54 PM
I suppose he offers the much needed premiership nous we don't currently have.   
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2020, 01:52:02 PM
Christ almighty what a fuck up.

Itís not a fuck up at all. Letís not go overboard on the drama here. Itís not inspiring but itís not a fuck up before heís kicked a ball for us. Now if in 3 weeks time Lansbury is in the side and Drinkwater is on the bench. Yes, itís a fuck up. Letís all hope he comes in with some degree of remorse, has reflected and truly appreciates the opportunity he has in front of him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Dazvillain on January 07, 2020, 01:52:38 PM
To have him and give up Giroud and Batshyayi must surely mean that we have a couple of bloody good strikers up our sleeve !?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Luke8 on January 07, 2020, 01:56:05 PM
His off-field issues aside, Iím always sceptical of players who voluntarily give up a decent chunk of their playing career to sit on Chelseaís/Man Cityís bench. I really donít see how this move benefits us when we are absolutely desperate for a striker.

While it may not be true of every player, I imagine most have the mentality, having made it to this level in the first place, to back their ability to get into these teams. Easy to say itís a bad idea in hindsight.

Re: a striker required. Its obviously something the club is looking at and we may actually be thinking of a more permanent addition there so therefore a loan for a midfielder (essentially to cover McGinn) make sense. Our situation requires more than one player signed this window and we wonít have huge amounts of money to spend on them all, so can understand the thinking behind this.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Rico on January 07, 2020, 01:57:04 PM
Welcome.
Don't be shit.
Don't be a knob
Give 100% every game.
Can't ask for much more than that really.
UTV
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 07, 2020, 01:57:14 PM
Christ almighty what a fuck up.

Itís not a fuck up at all. Letís not go overboard on the drama here. Itís not inspiring but itís not a fuck up before heís kicked a ball for us. Now if in 3 weeks time Lansbury is in the side and Drinkwater is on the bench. Yes, itís a fuck up. Letís all hope he comes in with some degree of remorse, has reflected and truly appreciates the opportunity he has in front of him.

For pretty much any other player weíve signed over the past 30 years I would agree with your logical point of view but no, Iím that sure that this one will be a fuck up, in my mind itís already a fuck up.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on January 07, 2020, 01:57:21 PM
Welcome and fingers crossed for a positive contribution for the rest of the season. The hysterical reaction from some on here continues.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 07, 2020, 01:57:24 PM
I can't remember ever seeing him play. Or if he did, I can't recall anything about his performance.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Chipsticks on January 07, 2020, 01:59:28 PM
Welcome and fingers crossed for a positive contribution for the rest of the season. The hysterical reaction from some on here continues.

Agreed, the discussion here has been bordering on Twitter-levels of shambles at times recently.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Chipsticks on January 07, 2020, 02:00:08 PM
Christ almighty what a fuck up.

State of this, man hasn't even kicked a ball smh
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: MalcolmP on January 07, 2020, 02:00:33 PM
Hands up those who thought same signing Tyrone on loan last year after only playing 11 games in 4 years I was underwhelmed like Drinkwater but give the guy a chance he could turn out to be as important to our survival as Tyrone was to our promotion last year.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Bren'd on January 07, 2020, 02:00:55 PM
The Bars on Broad Street like this

I doubt very much any Premiership footballer would frequent the bars of Broad Street. Even if he were to choose this area as a place to go on the piss I wouldn't give a monkey's as long as he was doing the business for us.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2020, 02:01:06 PM
I can't remember ever seeing him play. Or if he did, I can't recall anything about his performance.

Neither can I but somehow in featured prominently in a team that won the title and enticed Chelsea into paying £35m. £35m in 2017 is like £50m today. Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 07, 2020, 02:01:59 PM
You wonít have seen him play in the last 3 years because I donít think he has. They might as well have signed me. At least I donít have a booze problem. I do agree that it does get a bit hysterical on here at times but I think itís justified this time. Danny fucking Drinkwater. I was calling for experience but wanted someone whoís played in the last year or so.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 07, 2020, 02:03:56 PM
The Bars on Broad Street like this

I doubt very much any Premiership footballer would frequent the bars of Broad Street. Even if he were to choose this area as a place to go on the piss I wouldn't give a monkey's as long as he was doing the business for us.

You sure? They used quite regularly when Yorkie and Ugo were playing for us.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: MalcolmP on January 07, 2020, 02:04:52 PM
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Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: john e on January 07, 2020, 02:06:06 PM
take it weíre not all skipping down the street with this news then
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: MalcolmP on January 07, 2020, 02:06:17 PM

You wonít have seen him play in the last 3 years because I donít think he has. They might as well have signed me. At least I donít have a booze problem. I do agree that it does get a bit hysterical on here at times but I think itís justified this time. Danny fucking Drinkwater. I was calling for experience but wanted someone whoís played in the last year or so.
Like Mings 11 games in 4 years before taking him on loan. Chill!!  UTV VTID
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: MoetVillan on January 07, 2020, 02:08:32 PM
Welcome Danny. Play like we know you can and the doubters will be eating out of your hands
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Bren'd on January 07, 2020, 02:08:51 PM
The Bars on Broad Street like this

I doubt very much any Premiership footballer would frequent the bars of Broad Street. Even if he were to choose this area as a place to go on the piss I wouldn't give a monkey's as long as he was doing the business for us.

You sure? They used quite regularly when Yorkie and Ugo were playing for us.

'Fumo' didn't exist in those days. That's where all the wannabe wags hang out.  It's massively shit as well.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2020, 02:08:58 PM
His off-field issues aside, Iím always sceptical of players who voluntarily give up a decent chunk of their playing career to sit on Chelseaís/Man Cityís bench. I really donít see how this move benefits us when we are absolutely desperate for a striker.
The two are not mutually exclusive are they?  (other than we can't take a Chelsea player but they obviously didn't want to come)
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: phantom limb on January 07, 2020, 02:09:03 PM
Iíll give him a chance but just looking at his recent stats doesnít fill me with confidence. Mings was out the with a serious injury which explains why he didnít play very much before we signed him, whereas it seems like this bloke has just been mainly in the pub.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 07, 2020, 02:10:51 PM
Christ almighty what a fuck up.

State of this, man hasn't even kicked for years

Indeed, that's the problem.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Ditton33 on January 07, 2020, 02:11:22 PM
Another washed up has been finds his way to Villa Park.
Happy to be proved wrong but I won't be holding my breath. We need someone who can score some bloody goals!!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Allan C on January 07, 2020, 02:12:20 PM
For god sake give the guy a chance. He may just be what we need right now and make all the difference in midfield. Prove youíve got a future Danny
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: john e on January 07, 2020, 02:14:49 PM
Iím just glad weíve got that Suso fella finding these hidden gems
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 07, 2020, 02:18:38 PM
Welcome Danny Dryjanuary.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on January 07, 2020, 02:18:48 PM
Welcome danny enjoy your night out on the pull with JT
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 07, 2020, 02:19:10 PM
He trained and played with Terry at Chelsea. He won the league with Leicester and has subsequently played for England. He can't be all bad just because he's struggled to get in the Burnley team.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 07, 2020, 02:20:20 PM
He trained and played with Terry at Chelsea. He won the league with Leicester and has subsequently played for England. He can't be all bad just because he's struggled to get in the Burnley team.

He struggled to get in the Burnley team because they play The Crown & Garter game.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 07, 2020, 02:21:01 PM
Oh well. It's done now, no point tearing into him until he's shown us what he's worth in a Villa shirt. Best of luck Danny. Hope you prove us all wrong.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Bren'd on January 07, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
For god sake give the guy a chance. He may just be what we need right now and make all the difference in midfield. Prove youíve got a future Danny

I'm sure we all genuinely hope he's the new Magrath.  The reality is that we all pretty much think he's the new Ross McCormack.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: darren woolley on January 07, 2020, 02:27:59 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Danny.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 07, 2020, 02:31:20 PM
Can we give him a chance, please
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Luke8 on January 07, 2020, 02:37:28 PM
He trained and played with Terry at Chelsea. He won the league with Leicester and has subsequently played for England. He can't be all bad just because he's struggled to get in the Burnley team.

Donít disagree with the general pint, but Terry had left and joined us by the time Drinkwater signed for Chelsea hadnít he?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on January 07, 2020, 02:40:17 PM
Is he cup tied tomorrow? He has only played couple games so surely he hasnt played in carabao cup?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 07, 2020, 02:40:48 PM
He trained and played with Terry at Chelsea. He won the league with Leicester and has subsequently played for England. He can't be all bad just because he's struggled to get in the Burnley team.

Donít disagree with the general pint,

Appropriate.

Well, i went and came back in the hope that all of this was a bad dream but no, we've signed Danny Drunkwanker.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2020, 02:41:20 PM
Another washed up has been finds his way to Villa Park.
Happy to be proved wrong but I won't be holding my breath. We need someone who can score some bloody goals!!
Didn't realise this signing means we can't sign any other players in the window.  Fuckinell what a cock up.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 07, 2020, 02:42:53 PM
I suppose he offers the much needed premiership nous we don't currently have.

Yep. He's watched loads of Premier League games.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 07, 2020, 02:45:14 PM
Another washed up has been finds his way to Villa Park.
Happy to be proved wrong but I won't be holding my breath. We need someone who can score some bloody goals!!
Didn't realise this signing means we can't sign any other players in the window.  Fuckinell what a cock up.

Only 1 loan signing from a rival is allowed. We can still buy and can still loan from lower divisions.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 07, 2020, 02:48:04 PM
Welcome Danny! Good luck playing for Villa!
This may or may not work out but the guy deserves a chance at least. Obviously a loan deal covering midfield until SJM's return in March, so he hasn't got long to prove himself in midfield where we already have at least 6 players  fighting for 3 shirts.
As it's a loan (for a player who has undeniable PL experience, sadly lacking in our squad) I hope this indicates that most of our resources are going on areas of the team that desperately need attention (strikers and at least 1 effective wide player).
UTV!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 07, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
He trained and played with Terry at Chelsea. He won the league with Leicester and has subsequently played for England. He can't be all bad just because he's struggled to get in the Burnley team.

Donít disagree with the general pint, but Terry had left and joined us by the time Drinkwater signed for Chelsea hadnít he?

So he did, I thought they'd overlapped a bit. Ah well, given how much time Terry spent down there, I'm sure he saw a lot of him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: rob_bridge on January 07, 2020, 02:50:12 PM
Oh well - let's hope it's not the Robert Rosario type signing which did for Forest all those years ago.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2020, 02:50:48 PM
Another washed up has been finds his way to Villa Park.
Happy to be proved wrong but I won't be holding my breath. We need someone who can score some bloody goals!!
Didn't realise this signing means we can't sign any other players in the window.  Fuckinell what a cock up.

Only 1 loan signing from a rival is allowed. We can still buy and can still loan from lower divisions.
I was joking about the wrist slashing.

We are allowed another PL loan signing, just not from Chelsea.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on January 07, 2020, 02:51:28 PM
take it we’re not all skipping down the street with this news then

A mixed reaction I'd say.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 07, 2020, 02:52:03 PM
take it weíre not all skipping down the street with this news then

A mixed reaction I'd say.
The most positive I've heard so far is "give him a chance".
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 07, 2020, 02:53:10 PM
Another washed up has been finds his way to Villa Park.
Happy to be proved wrong but I won't be holding my breath. We need someone who can score some bloody goals!!

Im sure a striker will be coming
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 07, 2020, 03:02:46 PM
I'm trying to drum up the enthusiasm to say "meh", but I can't.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Ian J on January 07, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
take it we’re not all skipping down the street with this news then

A mixed reaction I'd say.
Most of us are too old to skip now anyway.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: mallo on January 07, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
Interestingly his career premiership stats state 'errors leading to goal' as 1 - there - something to hang my optimistic hat on.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Ger Regan on January 07, 2020, 03:52:08 PM
I guess he has to actually play to make such errors.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 07, 2020, 03:54:02 PM
In his interview Smith said he's already trained with them and he looks fit.

I've decided to be positive.  He's been an excellent player in the past and I'm hopeful his experience will give the squad a boost.  Come on Danny, take your chance.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 07, 2020, 03:57:06 PM
He got two games at Burnley and they're shit. It doesn't bode well really. I don't think he's this season's Benito Carbone or Robbie Keane.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 07, 2020, 04:09:38 PM
Another washed up has been finds his way to Villa Park.
Happy to be proved wrong but I won't be holding my breath. We need someone who can score some bloody goals!!
Didn't realise this signing means we can't sign any other players in the window.  Fuckinell what a cock up.

Only 1 loan signing from a rival is allowed. We can still buy and can still loan from lower divisions.
I was joking about the wrist slashing.

We are allowed another PL loan signing, just not from Chelsea.

Ah that makes more sense. Ta
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2020, 04:10:26 PM
Right well prove me wrong Danny.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 07, 2020, 04:15:57 PM
Couldn't get in a Burnley team ahead of the likes of Westwood, Hendrick and Cork. Didn't get a kick at Chelsea either. Numerous off field issues. Nowhere near match fit as evident by his woeful performance v Man City over Xmas. This reminds me of a Micah Richards type signing of a player in semi retirement for a number of years.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on January 07, 2020, 04:19:52 PM
Let's hope Danny still has the bottle and is not going to get injured after one game and only  be of single use.
We need a Midfielder who sprays the ball about  would be reusable  and is thirsty. Can  Danny Drinkwater spring in to action and be sparkling for the villa?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2020, 04:33:43 PM
Well I don't know.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: jwarry on January 07, 2020, 04:42:30 PM
Well I canít say Iím overjoyed but Dean says heís hungry and fit so who knows. I see he pretty much got injured as soon as he joined Chelsea and only made 25 starts in his first season probably because he didnít get a pre-season with them. Then Sarri arrived and clearly didnít fancy him so didnít play a single game the following season and it sounds like he went off the rails as a result.  Letís just hope he wants to prove a few people wrong including us!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clampy on January 07, 2020, 04:44:57 PM
I don't quite get the negativity to be honest. I'm not jumping up and down with joy about it but it's s another player added to the squad, it dosent really make us any weaker and by the sound of it, he won't be the the last one in either. It's not what we were expecting seeing as we have bigger priorities but as long as we get a forward or two in as well, then i don't see the problem.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: darren woolley on January 07, 2020, 04:47:10 PM
Let's give him a chance I certainly will.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: Damo70 on January 07, 2020, 04:48:40 PM
Oh well - let's hope it's not the Robert Rosario type signing which did for Forest all those years ago.


Robert Rosario was one of the worst strikers to ever play in the premier league. I would back the midfielder Danny Drinkwater to score more goals than Rosario.

Drinkwater is potentially a very good signing. So long as he is joining us fully fit and with the right attitude.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: GarTomas on January 07, 2020, 04:49:36 PM
On this piss my lord may take on a new meaning when sung by the Holte.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 07, 2020, 04:50:48 PM
Can he start tomorrow? I have Nkamba penned in my team, but he was so woeful on Saturday, I wouldn't mind him sitting out.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 07, 2020, 04:52:27 PM
On this piss my lord may take on a new meaning when sung by the Holte.

Or how about
"Oh Danny Boy
The pints, the pints, are calling"?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 07, 2020, 04:52:28 PM
F*ck me he is a premiership winner - he may have baggage but I am hoping he also has a lot to prove the doubters wrong

I hope to God he and any other potential signing does not do any research on here

I will be the first to say he is shite - but lets give him a chance at the very least

Welcome Danny - I hope you bring some experience to a pretty young team

And as for Burnley midfield - we saw enough when we beat them to see that Dyches teams play it to full backs early and lump it in for the big guns - not much midfield gets used to be honest

UTV
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 07, 2020, 04:55:38 PM
Depends what sort if character he is. I'd react well to seeing a load of people writing me off.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2020, 04:55:51 PM
On this piss my lord may take on a new meaning when sung by the Holte.

The shitest and most disrespectful song we have ever sung
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 07, 2020, 04:56:30 PM
Can he start tomorrow? I have Nkamba penned in my team, but he was so woeful on Saturday, I wouldn't mind him sitting out.

No. Typically one of the two games has actually played this season was in the League Cup.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 07, 2020, 04:56:52 PM
On this piss my lord may take on a new meaning when sung by the Holte.

The shitest and most disrespectful song we have ever sung

Quite. It's absolute shite.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Damo70 on January 07, 2020, 04:57:56 PM
On this piss my lord may take on a new meaning when sung by the Holte.

Or how about
"Oh Danny Boy
The pints, the pints, are calling"?

I am hoping with him in the team the points, the points are coming.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 07, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
Can he start tomorrow? I have Nkamba penned in my team, but he was so woeful on Saturday, I wouldn't mind him sitting out.

No. Typically one of the two games has actually played this season was in the League Cup.

That rule has gone now hasn't it? Edit: only for the Champions League. Good to know for the season after next.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 07, 2020, 05:18:18 PM
Itís another body in but on current form or lack of heís nothing better than what we already have in midfield so failing to see the point. Heís got something to prove so hopefully heíll do that in a positive way when he gets on the pitch, which may be a way off considering his lack of games over the last few years. Remain to be convinced.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2020, 05:23:49 PM
Itís another body in but on current form or lack of heís nothing better than what we already have in midfield so failing to see the point. Heís got something to prove so hopefully heíll do that in a positive way when he gets on the pitch, which may be a way off considering his lack of games over the last few years. Remain to be convinced.

He could turn up with a beer gut and 1 leg and I reckon he'd be more useful than Lansbury so at the minimum it's an upgrade to the squad.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: danno on January 07, 2020, 05:34:36 PM
If he can still pass a football, half fit or half cut I'd expect him to better than Lansbury.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Smithy on January 07, 2020, 05:40:40 PM
Two and a half years ago this signing would have been seen as something of a coup.  But I think the fact he couldn't get a game at Burnley is hugely concerning.  Has he been injured, or just overlooked?  Is he even match fit?

If he can get even close to his 2017 form, we'll have signed a great player who'll definitely improve the team. At 29 hopefully that's not impossible. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (CONFIRMED - on loan)
Post by: rougegorge on January 07, 2020, 05:44:26 PM
He got two games at Burnley and they're shit. It doesn't bode well really. I don't think he's this season's Benito Carbone or Robbie Keane.
Maybe he's more like a Tom Carroll
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: TonyD on January 07, 2020, 05:49:26 PM
Another washed up has been finds his way to Villa Park.
Happy to be proved wrong but I won't be holding my breath. We need someone who can score some bloody goals!!

Im sure a striker will be coming
Kevin Phillips
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: TonyD on January 07, 2020, 05:50:51 PM
How did he go off the rails?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 07, 2020, 05:55:58 PM
Is Steve Bruce back as a transfer consultant?
Totally underwhelmed at this loan, however I will be more than pleased if I am proved over pessimistic
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on January 07, 2020, 05:59:33 PM
Come on he's an upgrade from Tom Carroll from last year's window !
And far less of a risk than something like Jack Roswell who blades went for on a free.
They did same with Ravel Morrison . Who hasn't seen much action.
Hoping  Drinkwater has a bigger impact than Carroll and what others have brought in fot comparison.

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 07, 2020, 06:00:51 PM
If he can still pass a football, half fit or half cut I'd expect him to better than Lansbury.

I'm better than Lansbury and I hung my boots up 12 years ago.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 07, 2020, 06:02:23 PM
As with most people, I'm underwhelmed.  It's redolent of far too many of our signings in the last decade.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on January 07, 2020, 06:02:58 PM
On this piss my lord may take on a new meaning when sung by the Holte.

Or how about
"Oh Danny Boy
The pints, the pints, are calling"?

I am hoping with him in the team the points, the points are coming.

I don't think villa would sign someone who is such an unprofessional
I think was a one off incident and should be given opportunity . Lesson learned

This is Dean Smith all over. Get in a player thirsty to prove himself .
Outside of raw and up and coming players Smith loves getting this sort to go out and prove him self.
Good signing for me . Danny had a bit about him
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: CT on January 07, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
Welcome Daniel.

Don't be shit, please.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: supertom on January 07, 2020, 06:04:58 PM
Hopefully he's up for it because his experience will be a benefit, if he can get some form with it. Nakamba needs a spell out because he's form has dropped right off and he's becoming a liability. Luiz, not much better.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 07, 2020, 06:07:52 PM
Itís another body in but on current form or lack of heís nothing better than what we already have in midfield so failing to see the point. Heís got something to prove so hopefully heíll do that in a positive way when he gets on the pitch, which may be a way off considering his lack of games over the last few years. Remain to be convinced.

He could turn up with a beer gut and 1 leg and I reckon he'd be more useful than Lansbury so at the minimum it's an upgrade to the squad.

I understand what your saying but itís a pretty low bar when youíre asking them to be better than Lansbury, both have hardly featured over the last few seasons. I was hoping for a considerable upgrade in quality to a more regular starter, rather then just another body. I suppose we will have to wait and see. Fingers crossed itís a master stroke.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: rougegorge on January 07, 2020, 06:08:12 PM
Is Steve Bruce back as a transfer consultant?
Totally underwhelmed at this loan, however I will be more than pleased if I am proved over pessimistic
To be fair to Bruce most of his loans were good for us:
Snoddy
Tammy
Johnstone
Tuanzebe
Grabban
El Ghazi
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: manic-road on January 07, 2020, 06:11:00 PM
Hope he settles in and is up and running pretty soon, if he can find some decent form he could be a real coup.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Mister E on January 07, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
Hopefully he's up for it because his experience will be a benefit, if he can get some form with it. Nakamba needs a spell out because he's form has dropped right off and he's becoming a liability. Luiz, not much better.

I think that if DD is fit and has the focus to get his mojo back, Luiz will not be relied upon so much to be the DMF role; more the SJM role as a box-to-box midfielder.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 07, 2020, 06:16:33 PM
Can't believe the negativity on this site towards this signing, he hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet. I'm sure he'll get a better welcome from the terraces.

Welcome Danny please prove the doubters wrong
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Rigadon on January 07, 2020, 06:19:59 PM
I'll worry if this turns out to be our big piece of business in terms of trying to impact on the first team, as it feels like a bit of a gamble when what we need is near enough certainty (a la Bent back in the day).  So, watching with interest who else comes in.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 07, 2020, 06:20:10 PM
Garbage signing, yikes!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 07, 2020, 06:22:29 PM
Can't believe the negativity on this site towards this signing, he hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet. I'm sure he'll get a better welcome from the terraces.

Welcome Danny please prove the doubters wrong

Youíre right he hasnít kicked a ball for us yet, heís hardly kicked a ball for anyone in their first team either for the last few seasons, thatís the issue. Iím sure everyone will get behind him when he plays but itís just a tad underwhelming.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Luke8 on January 07, 2020, 06:43:23 PM
I'll worry if this turns out to be our big piece of business in terms of trying to impact on the first team, as it feels like a bit of a gamble when what we need is near enough certainty (a la Bent back in the day).  So, watching with interest who else comes in.

It wonít be. There is no way we wonít sign at least one forward player of some description. Quite possibly a goalkeeper too going by the way Smith is talking about it.

The problem with the January window, being mid-season, is that transfers like Bent are generally few and far between. Players are either unavailable/clubs are unwilling to sell or they cost in excess of what they would do pre/post season. Plus, we need to be relatively realistic about the fact we are in a relegation battle and therefore the quality of player we can attract.

Think itís a fairly sensible piece of business to fill a short term hole in the squad and still leave us with options regarding purchasing a forward player.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 07, 2020, 06:46:52 PM
Youíre right he hasnít kicked a ball for us yet, heís hardly kicked a ball for anyone in their first team either for the last few seasons, thatís the issue. Iím sure everyone will get behind him when he plays but itís just a tad underwhelming.
Mings (for other reasons) hadn't played a great deal of football when we signed him.

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2020, 06:55:29 PM
I'm curious as to why it didn't work at Burnley?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: KRS on January 07, 2020, 06:59:49 PM
Not enthusiastic or impressed at all by this news but we have to give him the benefit of the doubt until heís at least played a few games. Good luck Danny. Please donít be shit.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 07, 2020, 07:00:13 PM
I reckon he suffered from something that can't be unique to him; he was a domestic signing at Chelsea, and within 12 months the bloke that had signed him, and played him a fair bit, was gone, and the new bloke didn't fancy him. Probably not cloggery enough for Dyche, which I'll take as a good sign.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 07, 2020, 07:00:35 PM
I'm curious as to why it didn't work at Burnley?

Cloggers.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on January 07, 2020, 07:03:36 PM
I'm curious as to why it didn't work at Burnley?

To Cold, to grim, didn't fit in, home sick, they didn't recognise his superior skills, doesn't like Northern Soul, thinks Alistar Cambell is a slime ball

or it could be he's become a lazy twat stealing a living on what he's did yesteryear



Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 07, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
Is Steve Bruce back as a transfer consultant?
Totally underwhelmed at this loan, however I will be more than pleased if I am proved over pessimistic
To be fair to Bruce most of his loans were good for us:
Snoddy
Tammy
Johnstone
Tuanzebe
Grabban
El Ghazi

Good point there RG :)
My flippancy was ill thought and possibly wholly inaccurate
Still underwhelmed however
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 07, 2020, 07:19:40 PM
Pros:

He's got bags of top flight experience.
He was good enough to get selected for England.
He's another midfield option.
He's still only 29.

Cons:

He's hardly played for over two seasons.
He seems like a bit of a prick off the field.

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: dave shelley on January 07, 2020, 07:24:08 PM
Unimpressed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ian J on January 07, 2020, 07:26:09 PM
I'm curious as to why it didn't work at Burnley?
He wanted to play for the original and best team in claret and blue.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 07, 2020, 07:29:45 PM
Another Jermaine Jenas or Joe Cole?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: GarTomas on January 07, 2020, 07:35:45 PM
On this piss my lord may take on a new meaning when sung by the Holte.

The shitest and most disrespectful song we have ever sung

I agree TV - my post certainly wasnít a celebration of that particular chant.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ian J on January 07, 2020, 07:35:57 PM
Or Tom Cleverly? Weíve had a few too many of those of the years. I just hope he surprises me  and makes me eat my words like John Terry did.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: dave shelley on January 07, 2020, 07:38:36 PM
Has any sort of loan fee to Chelsea been mentioned at all?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: JJ-AV on January 07, 2020, 07:42:17 PM
Has any sort of loan fee to Chelsea been mentioned at all?

I wouldn't have thought so at close to 100k a week. I'd hope not anyway.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 07, 2020, 07:49:45 PM
Has any sort of loan fee to Chelsea been mentioned at all?

I wouldn't have thought so at close to 100k a week. I'd hope not anyway.

We're not paying all his wages.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Damo70 on January 07, 2020, 07:54:15 PM
Not enthusiastic or impressed at all by this news but we have to give him the benefit of the doubt until heís at least played a few games. Good luck Danny. Please donít be shit.

I can imagine that as a banner unfurled on The Holte for his debut.

'Good Luck Danny Please Don't Be Shit'  ;)
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: JJ-AV on January 07, 2020, 08:01:24 PM
Has any sort of loan fee to Chelsea been mentioned at all?

I wouldn't have thought so at close to 100k a week. I'd hope not anyway.

We're not paying all his wages.

Aye, but you'd imagine we're picking up the majority. He's on 110k p/w by most accounts so I would have thought it'd be close to 100k.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 07, 2020, 08:15:50 PM
Has any sort of loan fee to Chelsea been mentioned at all?

I wouldn't have thought so at close to 100k a week. I'd hope not anyway.

We're not paying all his wages.

Aye, but you'd imagine we're picking up the majority. He's on 110k p/w by most accounts so I would have thought it'd be close to 100k.

If he helps keep us up, he's worth it.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 07, 2020, 08:22:05 PM
Weíve signed someone who couldnít dislodge Westwood.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on January 07, 2020, 08:22:06 PM
As the famous philosopher Pvt William Hudson once observed "That's great. That's just fucking great, man! Now what the fuck are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty shit now man! Game's over man, game's fucking over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?"
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 07, 2020, 08:27:43 PM
Has any sort of loan fee to Chelsea been mentioned at all?

I wouldn't have thought so at close to 100k a week. I'd hope not anyway.

We're not paying all his wages.

Aye, but you'd imagine we're picking up the majority. He's on 110k p/w by most accounts so I would have thought it'd be close to 100k.

I can't remember where I read it, so it could be bollocks, but whichever journo it was wrote that we have him on the same terms as Burnley did. I can't imagine them paying £100,000 or anything close to that.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 07, 2020, 09:04:30 PM
Danny Drinkwater - ĎItís a pleasure to be here and hopefully I can hit the barí.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: JJ-AV on January 07, 2020, 09:05:10 PM
Maybe, maybe not I would assume that's why there isn't a loan fee. Wages for six months come in at £3m.

Chelsea paid £35m and 5 years at 110k p/w. That's a £65m 5 year investment before an agent is paid. He had one year bit-part due to injury and the next manager bomb-squadded him. Crazy.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Nastylee on January 07, 2020, 09:28:21 PM
I find it quite ironic that a team whose captain was found flat out in the street then spent a week 'on it' after the play offs can then be sickened by signing a player that got pissed on a night out.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 07, 2020, 09:33:35 PM
I find it quite ironic that a team whose captain was found flat out in the street then spent a week 'on it' after the play offs can then be sickened by signing a player that got pissed on a night out.

He wasn't captain when he was on a lads' holiday at the age of 19.  Since then no player has worked harder at his game and we are reaping the benefits.  By contrast, Drinkwater is 29, old enough to know better, and his career is seemingly on a massive downward spiral.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on January 07, 2020, 09:35:55 PM
I'm curious as to why it didn't work at Burnley?

Heís been injured for some of the time after receiving a shoeing in a nightclub for looking at someoneís pint, bird or whippet. I forget which.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 07, 2020, 09:39:35 PM
Is Steve Bruce back as a transfer consultant?
Totally underwhelmed at this loan, however I will be more than pleased if I am proved over pessimistic
The same Steve Bruce that signed Terry, Snodgrass, Hourihane, Grabban, Tammy, McGinn, Johnstone, El Ghazi, and Elmo? Good manager overall he isn't but he does have an eye for a good signing.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Nastylee on January 07, 2020, 09:40:19 PM
I find it quite ironic that a team whose captain was found flat out in the street then spent a week 'on it' after the play offs can then be sickened by signing a player that got pissed on a night out.

He wasn't captain when he was on a lads' holiday at the age of 19.  Since then no player has worked harder at his game and we are reaping the benefits.  By contrast, Drinkwater is 29, old enough to know better, and his career is seemingly on a massive downward spiral.

Point is still valid. Fans can't go with the 'Jack the lad' view then say another player is a piss head. I think there's enough evidence to suggest JG has had a pint or three since he was 19. To write a player off before he's even trained is churlish. I'm sure Dean and the team will have done their research before completing any deal.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: eamonn on January 07, 2020, 09:40:27 PM
Quite funny reading what his wages are at Chelsea the same day they announce a near £100m loss for their last financial year.

I think it's a pragmatic signing. Dean feels that he has sussed him in terms of motivation and hunger (if not thirst) so we just have to trust his judgement.

We have a terribly soft centre especially away from home where we're shipping on average two goals a game. If he can give Mings and the other defenders some proper protection ( ie unlike Hourihane who is invisible when we are not on the front foot), and in turn free up Luiz  to play further forward where he has undoubted ability, this might turn out to be a canny move.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 07, 2020, 09:47:50 PM
I'd be more inclined to trust Smith's judgement if we weren't 17th in the table partly as a result of our summer transfers.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Newby on January 07, 2020, 09:58:30 PM
He cannot possibly be any worse than Lansbury.  I hope we sign someone better though, can't lie.  Welcome Danny, prove us wrong, be great. On paper, this is a good signing.  The thing is, the paper is three years old.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ian J on January 07, 2020, 09:59:43 PM
I find it quite ironic that a team whose captain was found flat out in the street then spent a week 'on it' after the play offs can then be sickened by signing a player that got pissed on a night out.
Eh? Sickened, whoís sickened? A fair few underwhelmed which is very understandable after many years of this kind of signing going wrong. I think most are worried about his fitness and form, the added drink driving and not so much getting pissed at nightclub is the unsavoury part.

Jack made a few minor mistakes while still a very young lad.  You canít compare a 29 year old to a teenager can you?

However hopefully heíll be like Snodgrass, Terry or Keane and get us through a very tough period. I really hope so.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 07, 2020, 10:05:55 PM
An extended version of Robbie Keane would be nice. Welcome to our club. Please don't let us down.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 07, 2020, 10:06:15 PM
He cannot possibly be any worse than Lansbury.  I hope we sign someone better though, can't lie.  Welcome Danny, prove us wrong, be great. On paper, this is a good signing.  The thing is, the paper is three years old.

Iím better than Lansbury and I am bloke in my late 40ís, a little overweight, knees are shot and back is utterly fucked. But Iíd put in a better shift for the Villa over Mr ďLook at my sleeve tatsĒ any day of the week
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Newby on January 07, 2020, 10:11:36 PM
He cannot possibly be any worse than Lansbury.  I hope we sign someone better though, can't lie.  Welcome Danny, prove us wrong, be great. On paper, this is a good signing.  The thing is, the paper is three years old.

Iím better than Lansbury and I am bloke in my late 40ís, a little overweight, knees are shot and back is utterly fucked. But Iíd put in a better shift for the Villa over Mr ďLook at my sleeve tatsĒ any day of the week

I don't doubt it TV.  However, are you better than Drinkwater?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 07, 2020, 10:28:42 PM
I find it quite ironic that a team whose captain was found flat out in the street then spent a week 'on it' after the play offs can then be sickened by signing a player that got pissed on a night out.

They aren't even remotely comparable, no one is sickened, and there's no irony.

Apart from that I agree with every word.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on January 07, 2020, 10:42:16 PM
Daily Mail seem convinced that we are indeed picking up all of his generous wage package.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2020, 10:46:49 PM
How I see it Lansbury and Hourihane are the 'experienced pros' that should be pulling us together when things start to go wrong but neither of them has been able to do it and as a result our midfield has been far too open far too often. I can forgive Hourihane because he gives us a set-piece threat that's missing otherwise but Lansbury has proven repeatedly ever since he joined that he has neither the talent, fitness or ability to do the job. I don't know if Drinkwater can do it either, and he wouldn't have been top of the list for me, but now he's here lets see if he can give us a bit more backbone because we know the rest of the midfield we have aren't going to (and to be fair I wouldn't expect McGinn, Nakamba or Luiz to, they're all learning what it means to play at this level and I don't want Grealish to because that's not the role he should be playing).
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 07, 2020, 10:52:06 PM
Yes Paul e, if it works out it could be a master stroke.
Itís one of 2 major problems this team have to overcome to stay up.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 07, 2020, 11:10:35 PM
If OíNeill had bought him in he would be calling him Daniel.  This has no relevance to this thread.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 07, 2020, 11:12:42 PM
How I see it Lansbury and Hourihane are the 'experienced pros' that should be pulling us together when things start to go wrong but neither of them has been able to do it and as a result our midfield has been far too open far too often. I can forgive Hourihane because he gives us a set-piece threat that's missing otherwise but Lansbury has proven repeatedly ever since he joined that he has neither the talent, fitness or ability to do the job. I don't know if Drinkwater can do it either, and he wouldn't have been top of the list for me, but now he's here lets see if he can give us a bit more backbone because we know the rest of the midfield we have aren't going to (and to be fair I wouldn't expect McGinn, Nakamba or Luiz to, they're all learning what it means to play at this level and I don't want Grealish to because that's not the role he should be playing).

I think between Hourihane and Lansbury they had a combined one league appearance in the top division before this season. Lansbury barely played for us in the second tier so it's a bit much to expect for those two to be providing leadership at a level they have never played. Hourihane has done ok, key to us winning a few games, found wanting in a number of others, about what we expected I'd say.

Drinkwater provides experience for sure as an EPL winner but appears to have been a diabolical pro since. He was very much a box to box type athletic midfielder in his Leicester days but those are long long behind him on the evidence of his laughable performance for Burnley v Man City. He isn't going to help Nakamba in shielding a defence playing a high line as was never his game. He isn't going to get around the pitch. He isn't remotely match fit.

This is truly an awful signing, poorly conceived on every level by the brains trust at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: not3bad on January 07, 2020, 11:32:43 PM
I wanted players who have had experience of successful campaigns against relegation brought in at this transfer window and Drinkwater fill that bill. A risk I grant you but the rewards could be handsome.

#HopesAndPrayers
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2020, 04:13:57 AM
I just watched the Villa TV interview with Drinkwater. Goodness me Jack Woodward is such a predictable buffoon with his questions. It really is geared towards 5 year olds. The ground, the training complex, playing with Jack Grealish. Can we not have a few deeper, intelligent questions?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Damo70 on January 08, 2020, 04:32:16 AM
I wanted players who have had experience of successful campaigns against relegation brought in at this transfer window and Drinkwater fill that bill. A risk I grant you but the rewards could be handsome.

#HopesAndPrayers


Chelsea thought he was worth paying £35 million for two years ago so if he sorts his head and his fitness out we should have a good player.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sid1964 on January 08, 2020, 06:45:20 AM
If we are paying his full wages £110k a week then we seriously need to ask who is responsible for signing these players - we just never learn from previous mistakes (Bolaise etc..)

I could phone a club and get a player to Villa, if we just bow down to all their requests, where is the negotiation?

I did laugh at Dean when he said in the press conference that he could see the hunger in Drinklots eyes! - really, had he not had any dinner?

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kieron on January 08, 2020, 08:02:17 AM
We aren't paying all of his wages, it's been said multiple times on the thread so far.

This thread is a clear barometer of what a fair-sized majority of people think about this signing. I would ask in return, just who would you go for instead based on the Club's criteria?

Three years ago he won the Premier League. This is of course his stand out achievement and the one everyone will point to, but let's not forget he's also experienced at being in and around the bottom of the Premier League, too, which could be vital for us. He's been thought of highly enough to have been given England caps and was also bought (at a large price) by one of the current top Clubs in the country for a reason. What more do people want when being realistic about our current position in the league, and just which high profile superstar midfielder who would want to join us for a possible relegation fight? At least he's had the balls to take on that challenge.

Everyone has a past and people learn from their fuck-ups, so we've obviously got to hope that he's really learnt from them and will now grasp, what is, let's face it, a very very very good opportunity at a Club like ours to reignite his career.

Welcome Danny, and good luck.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bren'd on January 08, 2020, 08:21:19 AM
I find it quite ironic that a team whose captain was found flat out in the street then spent a week 'on it' after the play offs can then be sickened by signing a player that got pissed on a night out.

He wasn't captain when he was on a lads' holiday at the age of 19.  Since then no player has worked harder at his game and we are reaping the benefits.  By contrast, Drinkwater is 29, old enough to know better, and his career is seemingly on a massive downward spiral.

Point is still valid. Fans can't go with the 'Jack the lad' view then say another player is a piss head. I think there's enough evidence to suggest JG has had a pint or three since he was 19. To write a player off before he's even trained is churlish. I'm sure Dean and the team will have done their research before completing any deal.

Yes they very much can. Jack is the one consistently good thing about this season.  He can pretty much do what he likes in his private life within reason because he is doing the business on the pitch. If Drinkwater doesn't comply with his name and does it on the pitch week in week out I wont care that much. Nor should anyone.

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 08, 2020, 08:35:23 AM
We aren't paying all of his wages, it's been said multiple times on the thread so far.

This thread is a clear barometer of what a fair-sized majority of people think about this signing. I would ask in return, just who would you go for instead based on the Club's criteria?

Three years ago he won the Premier League. This is of course his stand out achievement and the one everyone will point to, but let's not forget he's also experienced at being in and around the bottom of the Premier League, too, which could be vital for us. He's been thought of highly enough to have been given England caps and was also bought (at a large price) by one of the current top Clubs in the country for a reason. What more do people want when being realistic about our current position in the league, and just which high profile superstar midfielder who would want to join us for a possible relegation fight? At least he's had the balls to take on that challenge.

Everyone has a past and people learn from their fuck-ups, so we've obviously got to hope that he's really learnt from them and will now grasp, what is, let's face it, a very very very good opportunity at a Club like ours to reignite his career.

Welcome Danny, and good luck.
I disagree with the bit in bold.  This thread reflects what a few blokes on an internet forum think.  Forums always tend to lean to extreme views and often become an echo chamber for the views of a few strong posters.  My experience is the views here and forums elsewhere often don't really reflect the weight of opinion in the real world or indeed at the ground.

I appreciate I am part of this 'community and I enjoy it.  But be cautious in thinking that what you read on here always reflects the wider view of fans. 

I agree with the rest of your post btw.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2020, 08:42:14 AM
Weíve signed someone who couldnít dislodge Westwood.

Westwood who has been a consistent player for a club in the Premier League for a number of years.

He may not be a top 6 player but he's solid and dependable and does a good job in the centre of midfield in the toughest league. Oh for someone like that.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kieron on January 08, 2020, 09:24:59 AM
We aren't paying all of his wages, it's been said multiple times on the thread so far.

This thread is a clear barometer of what a fair-sized majority of people think about this signing. I would ask in return, just who would you go for instead based on the Club's criteria?

Three years ago he won the Premier League. This is of course his stand out achievement and the one everyone will point to, but let's not forget he's also experienced at being in and around the bottom of the Premier League, too, which could be vital for us. He's been thought of highly enough to have been given England caps and was also bought (at a large price) by one of the current top Clubs in the country for a reason. What more do people want when being realistic about our current position in the league, and just which high profile superstar midfielder who would want to join us for a possible relegation fight? At least he's had the balls to take on that challenge.

Everyone has a past and people learn from their fuck-ups, so we've obviously got to hope that he's really learnt from them and will now grasp, what is, let's face it, a very very very good opportunity at a Club like ours to reignite his career.

Welcome Danny, and good luck.
I disagree with the bit in bold.  This thread reflects what a few blokes on an internet forum think.  Forums always tend to lean to extreme views and often become an echo chamber for the views of a few strong posters.  My experience is the views here and forums elsewhere often don't really reflect the weight of opinion in the real world or indeed at the ground.

I appreciate I am part of this 'community and I enjoy it.  But be cautious in thinking that what you read on here always reflects the wider view of fans. 

I agree with the rest of your post btw.

Fair comment, I did mean the forum in the bold bit to be fair so should have articulated that.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bren'd on January 08, 2020, 09:52:18 AM
Weíve signed someone who couldnít dislodge Westwood.

Westwood who has been a consistent player for a club in the Premier League for a number of years.

He may not be a top 6 player but he's solid and dependable and does a good job in the centre of midfield in the toughest league. Oh for someone like that.

He was the worst of Westwood against us last week thankfully. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 08, 2020, 09:52:24 AM
Weíve signed someone who couldnít dislodge Westwood.

Westwood who has been a consistent player for a club in the Premier League for a number of years.

He may not be a top 6 player but he's solid and dependable and does a good job in the centre of midfield in the toughest league. Oh for someone like that.

And weíve signed a PL winner that couldnít dislodge him.  Speaks volumes for his attitude in recent times.  We all hope he does well though Sir.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on January 08, 2020, 10:18:21 AM
Weíve signed someone who couldnít dislodge Westwood.

Westwood who has been a consistent player for a club in the Premier League for a number of years.

He may not be a top 6 player but he's solid and dependable and does a good job in the centre of midfield in the toughest league. Oh for someone like that.

And weíve signed a PL winner that couldnít dislodge him.  Speaks volumes for his attitude in recent times.  We all hope he does well though Sir.

As a matter of interest, who would you have signed?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 08, 2020, 10:19:06 AM
Lionel Messi.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2020, 10:21:40 AM
Lionel Messi.

Too old, too small.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 08, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
So was Kevin Phillips.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 08, 2020, 10:33:34 AM
What he said and Joe Allen. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2020, 11:03:57 AM
Weíve signed someone who couldnít dislodge Westwood.

Westwood who has been a consistent player for a club in the Premier League for a number of years.

He may not be a top 6 player but he's solid and dependable and does a good job in the centre of midfield in the toughest league. Oh for someone like that.

And weíve signed a PL winner that couldnít dislodge him.  Speaks volumes for his attitude in recent times.  We all hope he does well though Sir.

It does, Westwood's attitude has clearly been spot on and has done all his manager has asked of him.

Drinkwater came in on loan, got injured and then didn't dislodge him. Dyche has said he's worked hard, so there doesn't seem to be an attitude problem.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on January 08, 2020, 11:24:10 AM
What he said and Joe Allen.

You'd have got Joe Allen in for nothing until the end of the season?

I'm impressed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 08, 2020, 11:27:08 AM
I meant cockney entertainer Joe Brown.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Small Rodent on January 08, 2020, 11:30:03 AM
I meant cockney entertainer Joe Brown.

Those Bow Bells are bloody loud! He was born in Lincolnshire.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 08, 2020, 11:30:53 AM
Who I would have signed is irrelevant in its entirety.  Otherwise I would be the Head Coach of a professional football club.  It doesn't mean I cannot comment on the transfer judgments of those employed in that capacity.  But seeing as we are now at the stage of 'hit the ground running' signings, then I wouldn't have got rid of the likes of Whelan or Jedi at the end of last season - even if they were only squad players.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2020, 11:34:54 AM
Who I would have signed is irrelevant in its entirety.  Otherwise I would be the Head Coach of a professional football club.  It doesn't mean I cannot comment on the transfer judgments of those employed in that capacity.  But seeing as we are now at the stage of 'hit the ground running' signings, then I wouldn't have got rid of the likes of Whelan or Jedi at the end of last season - even if they were only squad players.

You're right . As a football fan you have the right to slag everyone and everything off and live in a fluffy cloud where you need to offer no alternative at all.

Nobody can question your view either, because, well what do they know?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 08, 2020, 11:35:15 AM
We haven't got enough pace as it is, Jedinak would have been hopelessly embarrassed at this level now.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 08, 2020, 11:37:26 AM
Neither has Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on January 08, 2020, 11:38:00 AM
Who I would have signed is irrelevant in its entirety.  Otherwise I would be the Head Coach of a professional football club.  It doesn't mean I cannot comment on the transfer judgments of those employed in that capacity.  But seeing as we are now at the stage of 'hit the ground running' signings, then I wouldn't have got rid of the likes of Whelan or Jedi at the end of last season - even if they were only squad players.

Whelan who is not wanted by bottom of the table Hearts?

Comment by all means but for the love of God, give players a chance.  Don't write them off before the ink has dried on the paper.

We're fighting for survival - Our choice is limited and even then, we're probably competing with sides who are further up the table (Palace, Newcastle etc).

We all want a dream team but it's not going to happen when you're favourites for the drop.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 08, 2020, 11:40:22 AM
Who I would have signed is irrelevant in its entirety.  Otherwise I would be the Head Coach of a professional football club.  It doesn't mean I cannot comment on the transfer judgments of those employed in that capacity.  But seeing as we are now at the stage of 'hit the ground running' signings, then I wouldn't have got rid of the likes of Whelan or Jedi at the end of last season - even if they were only squad players.

You're right . As a football fan you have the right to slag everyone and everything off and live in a fluffy cloud where you need to offer no alternative at all.

Nobody can question your view either, because, well what do they know?

Re the first point, yes that is correct.  Except for the fluffy cloud bit.  Olton isn't like that.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on January 08, 2020, 12:56:30 PM
Who I would have signed is irrelevant in its entirety.  Otherwise I would be the Head Coach of a professional football club.  It doesn't mean I cannot comment on the transfer judgments of those employed in that capacity.  But seeing as we are now at the stage of 'hit the ground running' signings, then I wouldn't have got rid of the likes of Whelan or Jedi at the end of last season - even if they were only squad players.

If not head coach you could take a role as sporting director  !!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 08, 2020, 01:07:40 PM
Do we really have to play this 'who would you sign instead?' game every time there's dissent when a player signs?  The question implies there are no better possible signings. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clampy on January 08, 2020, 01:21:00 PM
Do we really have to play this 'who would you sign instead?' game every time there's dissent when a player signs?  The question implies there are no better possible signings. 

I don't see the problem that. It's just like asking 'who would you have prefered'?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 08, 2020, 01:26:58 PM
Do we really have to play this 'who would you sign instead?' game every time there's dissent when a player signs?  The question implies there are no better possible signings. 

I don't see the problem that. It's just like asking 'who would you have prefered'?
But then what happens is you get the inevitable 'He's shit / he'd never come / he's too expensive' etc etc replies designed to bring you round to the idea that the player we have signed is the best possible choice.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: auntiesledd on January 08, 2020, 01:28:51 PM
We can but hope that he's prepared get his bonce down & work hard again - in a bid to  prove he's not just a badly behaved, unmotivated, has-been urine extractor.

Fingers crossed eh? 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on January 08, 2020, 01:39:05 PM
Any dissent is pretty much inevitable given what information is available about him. Heís got a lot to prove. No longer a youngster, astronomical wages without doing much to earn them, seems a similar type of player to ones we already have, questions about his desire to play and character off the field.

He must have been really impressive when DS spoke to him about the move to overcome all those negatives, and that bodes well.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on January 08, 2020, 01:42:28 PM
Do we really have to play this 'who would you sign instead?' game every time there's dissent when a player signs?  The question implies there are no better possible signings.

The answer is yes - so long as we really have to read the comments from whingers.  Of course there are better signings but very rarely when you are favourites to go down.  People need to get to grips with where we are in the grand scheme of things and give some thought as to what is realistic given our budget.

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 08, 2020, 01:59:02 PM
I canít believe people are whinging about the whingers, under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2020, 02:05:53 PM
I canít believe people are whinging about the whingers, under the circumstances.

I think people are whinging about the whinging with regards to potential wingers.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2020, 02:06:39 PM
It's the start of the window. We got player in quickly who can help out in the middle of what is a pretty significant injury crisis. Not one that sets the pulse racing but if it means never having to see the likes of Lansbury at PL level again then it was the right thing to do. It doesn't mean our business is done. Most of the bigger deals in January take forever and likely won't happen until the last week or so. It's always that way unless you pay over the odds. We are in a situation where every selling club knows we are a bit desperate. So let's all take a deep breath. Don't believe everything we read in the papers or on the internet and see where we end up in a couple of weeks time. What has been made clear to everyone by the manager is that there will be new signings and that strikers are a priority which is what we all know we need.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
I think the encouraging thing with this is we've tried to address an issue that on paper you wouldn't think was a major problem for us (the midfield), but if you've watched us you would.

So I think it's safe to assume we will be trying to address the more obvious requirements as well.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2020, 02:34:24 PM
I canít believe people are whinging about the whingers, under the circumstances.

I think people are whinging about the whinging with regards to potential wingers.

I think you were winging it when you said that....
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2020, 10:40:31 PM
Do we really have to play this 'who would you sign instead?' game every time there's dissent when a player signs?  The question implies there are no better possible signings.

The answer is yes - so long as we really have to read the comments from whingers.  Of course there are better signings but very rarely when you are favourites to go down.  People need to get to grips with where we are in the grand scheme of things and give some thought as to what is realistic given our budget.



He says, whingeing about whingers.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on January 09, 2020, 12:05:49 AM
Do we really have to play this 'who would you sign instead?' game every time there's dissent when a player signs?  The question implies there are no better possible signings.

The answer is yes - so long as we really have to read the comments from whingers.  Of course there are better signings but very rarely when you are favourites to go down.  People need to get to grips with where we are in the grand scheme of things and give some thought as to what is realistic given our budget.



He says, whingeing about whingers.

Which part is whinging about whingers?

I simply asked him (the whinger) what his alternative would be.


Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 09, 2020, 03:49:33 PM
I'd would certainly class that whingy comment about whingers as whinging, others might whinge that my whinge about your whinge about whingers is nothing to whinge about. Let the whingers whinge and stop whinging about it i say.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on January 09, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
Fcuk the whingers.

And after last night, here's to Drinkwater starting on Sunday.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: KRS on January 09, 2020, 05:04:00 PM
Iím pretty sure a half fit Drinkwater with barely any PL games under his belt in last few seasons would do a better job than Marv and Luiz who seem to be getting worse game by game...Iím not even sure Marv is actually a footballer.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 09, 2020, 08:10:45 PM
I agree with LeeB.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 09, 2020, 08:17:13 PM
Iím pretty sure a half fit Drinkwater with barely any PL games under his belt in last few seasons would do a better job than Marv and Luiz who seem to be getting worse game by game...Iím not even sure Marv is actually a footballer.

If you saw Drinkwater in his only game for Burnley this season you couldn't be sure of that. Completely unfit and that was only a few weeks ago. Worse than anything Luiz or Nakamba ever did in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on January 12, 2020, 05:21:44 PM
Send this clown back. Fucking woeful
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: richtheholtender on January 12, 2020, 05:24:06 PM
Is this some kind of wind up? Having Lescott giving his opinion on how bad our defending is!!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 12, 2020, 05:24:52 PM
Iím pretty sure a half fit Drinkwater with barely any PL games under his belt in last few seasons would do a better job than Marv and Luiz who seem to be getting worse game by game...Iím not even sure Marv is actually a footballer.

If you saw Drinkwater in his only game for Burnley this season you couldn't be sure of that. Completely unfit and that was only a few weeks ago. Worse than anything Luiz or Nakamba ever did in a Villa shirt.

Crap, I was right. Send this utter clown back.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 12, 2020, 05:25:33 PM
I wonder how much Chelsea would accept to take him back.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2020, 05:31:40 PM
I'm not surprised. 5 league starts since August 2017 tells its own story. For last six months he's been at a team not much better than us but barely got a game.

Where I do have sympathy is if you're miles short of match fitness Liverpool or Man. City are the worst opposition to play against.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on January 12, 2020, 05:40:47 PM
that'd down to Smith and for that decision alone he needs to go.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 12, 2020, 05:50:25 PM
that'd down to Smith and for that decision alone he needs to go.

Idiotic decision to bring him in anyway. We need players who are sufficiently fit enough to start in the team. It would be a gamble bringing this clown in during the summer but at least you have pre season to try and get him fit. No chance in Jan.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: themossman on January 12, 2020, 06:13:17 PM
So as well as being an absolute knob end heís really, really shit at football. What an astute bit of business.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sickbeggar on January 12, 2020, 06:27:47 PM
Bit harsh to lay it all on his door. Yes he was bad, but considering the performance of his teammates does anyone think the result would have been any different if he hadn't been playing? He must wonder what he's dropped himself in by agreeing to come here
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Davkaus on January 12, 2020, 06:31:38 PM
Bit harsh to lay it all on his door. Yes he was bad, but considering the performance of his teammates does anyone think the result would have been any different if he hadn't been playing? He must wonder what he's dropped himself in by agreeing to come here

Agreed.

He's played half a dozen games in 2-3 years. He's nowhere near match fit, and Smith decides to drop him in immediately against Man City?

Absolute madness.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2020, 06:33:50 PM
He'd have been on the bench if Marvelous performances levels hadn't dropped massively in last 4 weeks, that's something else to consider.

Interested to see what we do v Brighton now.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on January 12, 2020, 06:38:17 PM
Bit harsh to lay it all on his door. Yes he was bad, but considering the performance of his teammates does anyone think the result would have been any different if he hadn't been playing? He must wonder what he's dropped himself in by agreeing to come here

Agreed.

He's played half a dozen games in 2-3 years. He's nowhere near match fit, and Smith decides to drop him in immediately against Man City?

Absolute madness.

Desperation from smith. A man on his last legs
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: KRS on January 12, 2020, 06:41:53 PM
Iím pretty sure a half fit Drinkwater with barely any PL games under his belt in last few seasons would do a better job than Marv and Luiz who seem to be getting worse game by game...Iím not even sure Marv is actually a footballer.

If you saw Drinkwater in his only game for Burnley this season you couldn't be sure of that. Completely unfit and that was only a few weeks ago. Worse than anything Luiz or Nakamba ever did in a Villa shirt.

Crap, I was right. Send this utter clown back.
Yep. I didnít think it was possible but heís even worse than the liabilities that are Luiz and Marv. Our midfield is so shite itís embarrassing.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: KRS on January 12, 2020, 06:43:24 PM
Thrown in the deep to sink or swim against Man City. He sunk like a brick.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: TheMalandro on January 12, 2020, 06:45:14 PM
I don't think it serves any purpose talking about drinkwater today.

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: olaftab on January 12, 2020, 06:46:51 PM
Heís not match fit so what did we expect... or more to point what did the Coaching staff expect?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 12, 2020, 06:48:09 PM
Thrown in the deep to sink or swim against Man City. He sunk like a brick.

He'd have sunk like a brick against an Isthmian League team, he's shit and unfit.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: TheMalandro on January 12, 2020, 06:48:38 PM
Lineker posted a funny comment.

Mahrez and Drinkwater still playing well together.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ez on January 12, 2020, 06:49:02 PM
Heís not match fit so what did we expect... or more to point what did the Coaching staff expect?

Could take him the rest of the season to get up to speed and we don't have time for that.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: themossman on January 12, 2020, 06:51:45 PM
I don't think it serves any purpose talking about drinkwater today.

I do, not because of what it says about the player, but because of what it says about smithís abilities and our competence with respect to transfer business.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: KRS on January 12, 2020, 06:52:36 PM
I don't think it serves any purpose talking about drinkwater today.
Why not? It was a piss poor decision/gamble to sign him on loan in the first place, and he was at fault for the first 2 goals today. We havenít got time for him to get up to speed when heís so far off the pace. Whoever made the decision to sign him needs sacking as itís borderline negligent for a club in our position to take such a risk.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 12, 2020, 06:52:41 PM
Ridiculous idea to start him today. Shocking management.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 12, 2020, 06:54:17 PM
Heíll rightly get criticism for his performance and his roll in the 2nd in particularly but at least he has the excuse of not having played for 2 seasons, whatís Dougs excuse?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 06:54:26 PM
First five minutes he did OK. Fell apart at the seams like a cheap suit after that though.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2020, 06:57:15 PM
Heís not match fit so what did we expect... or more to point what did the Coaching staff expect?

Yep but I wasn't surprised to see him start given how terrible Marvelous was on Wednesday and generally since start of December. Problem is who do we pick for Brighton and Watford as both teams have decent players centrally like Mooy and Doucoure.

They also will walk through us if we drop off and let them have time on the ball.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LukeJames on January 12, 2020, 06:57:21 PM
Awful management signing him and then playing him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 07:00:41 PM
At least it ups the permutations of shit midfield trios we can play.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: richrunner on January 12, 2020, 07:02:30 PM
Well I knew he'd be utterly shit, so he's one signing who has truly lived up to expectations for once...
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 12, 2020, 07:05:48 PM
I think maybe better to judge under different circumstances.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 12, 2020, 07:08:17 PM
Yes he lasted longer than I thought, kind of
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 12, 2020, 07:16:00 PM
I don't think it serves any purpose talking about drinkwater today.
Why not? It was a piss poor decision/gamble to sign him on loan in the first place, and he was at fault for the first 2 goals today. We havenít got time for him to get up to speed when heís so far off the pace. Whoever made the decision to sign him needs sacking as itís borderline negligent for a club in our position to take such a risk.

The guy he was supposed to be marking, KdeB, skipped away from him for the 3rd and 4th. I'm struggling to remember the 5th....
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: London Villan on January 12, 2020, 07:17:30 PM
He was only at fault for the first 4 goals.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 12, 2020, 07:19:50 PM
Lineker posted a funny comment.

Mahrez and Drinkwater still playing well together.

Heís a cocky little c*** though isnít he. As for Drinkwater, heís just a c***, and whist i agree that it was a tough start to judge him on weíre perfectly entitled to do so. And my judgement is that he looked like a c*** in a pair of football boots.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Pete3206 on January 12, 2020, 07:23:57 PM
I see
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: phantom limb on January 12, 2020, 07:52:36 PM
Heís barely played any football so itís no surprise he wasnít able to make an impact against one of the best sides in the division. I suppose he couldnít play any worse after that though?

Whatever happens heís kind of been damned by being a completely uninspiring signing coming in at a time where midfield is nowhere near our main priority.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 08:24:00 PM
I just don't understand the signing.  Not doing well at a big team like Chelsea is forgivable.  Not doing well because you can't lay off the booze at a team like Burnley, a direct rival, much less so.  If he had anything about him whatsoever, he'd surely have been given a chance by Dyche.  The fact that he wasn't speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 08:34:55 PM
The clueless idiot Smith can "see how he's going to improve us."  A player whose lack of quality directly contributed to four of their goals.  Fucking hell. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2020, 08:35:38 PM
The clueless idiot Smith can "see how he's going to improve us."  A player whose lack of quality directly contributed to four of their goals.  Fucking hell. 

Did he really say that?

Jesus Fucking Christ.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Des Little on January 12, 2020, 08:35:41 PM
It would appear Sean Dyche has better judgement than Deano. What a load of shit.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 08:37:05 PM
The clueless idiot Smith can "see how he's going to improve us."  A player whose lack of quality directly contributed to four of their goals.  Fucking hell. 

Did he really say that?

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Yeah, listen to the WM interview.  The bloke's a moron.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on January 12, 2020, 08:43:34 PM
You already said it Risso.  He is Lambert with a Brummie accent.  He opens his mouth and anything comes out.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 12, 2020, 08:48:56 PM
The clueless idiot Smith can "see how he's going to improve us."  A player whose lack of quality directly contributed to four of their goals.  Fucking hell.

A daft quote about him being a voice in the dressing room too. To be fair Smith is hardly going to come out and say Danny was dreadful today.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Luke8 on January 12, 2020, 08:49:09 PM
While this isnít a compliment, I didnít think the two next to him were any better than him. All three constantly ahead of their man, leaving huge gaps.

Easy to say in hindsight but not the game to drop him straight into. Having said that, once youíve made the signing he does need to start somewhere and if the thinking is to play him in some of the big games weíve got coming up you want him up to speed as soon as possible.

I think we probably need to give him more than 80 minutes against a very good team, where the majority of our team were very poor, before making a definitive judgement.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2020, 08:50:24 PM
Today Drinkwater looked like a player who has barely played for 2 years, who just joined a new new team, thrown into a game against one of the top sides in the world by a clueless manager out of sheer lack of ideas and desperation.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 12, 2020, 08:51:36 PM
You already said it Risso.  He is Lambert with a Brummie accent.  He opens his mouth and anything comes out.
I've not been convinced from day one but have been willing to give him time.......he is now coming across as a  bit of a thick chancer - which is sad ....with the benefit of hindsight he should have been given a bonus for getting us up and a more experienced guy recruited
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2020, 08:52:03 PM
Shit, waste of everybody's time. By the time he's up and running, after taking 2 years off, we will be almost relegated.

The stupidity of this loan makes me worry about what we are scouting.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Luke8 on January 12, 2020, 08:56:41 PM
Today Drinkwater looked like a player who has barely played for 2 years, who just joined a new new team, thrown into a game against one of the top sides in the world by a clueless manager out of sheer lack of ideas and desperation.

While you absolutely have to look at Smith regarding the performance today, itís not like we are overburdened with quality options in that area. Marvelous has been in poor form for weeks, Hourihane had the kind of anonymous display that he is prone to from time into time and Lansbury is, well, Lansbury.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2020, 09:00:04 PM
Nakamba would have given us more legs and presence, even out of form, than a player on a downward spiral who has barely played in years. Terrible decision to sign him and play him today.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 12, 2020, 09:03:44 PM
I really wanted to be kinder to Danny and in some respects it's not his fault that he was thrown in at the deep end today when he wasn't ready, but then, he's a professional footballer and supposed athlete so - in a word?

Shite.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villadelph on January 12, 2020, 09:07:56 PM
Nakamba would have given us more legs and presence, even out of form, than a player on a downward spiral who has barely played in years. Terrible decision to sign him and play him today.

It worries me that those responsible for recruiting wasted valuable time, energy and resources signing a player like Drinkwater to help us.

Weíve got two weeks to figure this shit out.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2020, 09:11:01 PM
We won't have spent much time or energy signing Drinkwater because there isn't a single other team who would be interested in signing a bloke who hasn't played for years, on £100k per week, who just failed for a struggling team after getting beaten up for being a prick.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2020, 09:12:52 PM
Nakamba would have given us more legs and presence, even out of form, than a player on a downward spiral who has barely played in years. Terrible decision to sign him and play him today.

Said this earlier but truly staggering he watched him have one of the worst debuts in memory, play a lead part in gifting them four of their goals and STILL leave him on for 80 minutes.

And then big him up after the match.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on January 12, 2020, 09:17:01 PM
Also youíd imagine that this has been on the cards for a while as the McGinn replacement, even if he was playing at or near his best heís not the type of player to cover the ground and yards that McGinn did.

A strange bit of business.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 12, 2020, 09:17:15 PM
Well that was a debut to forget. He did link up well with Mahrez, though.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2020, 09:17:25 PM
I thought we were done with the panicky, last chance saloon type signings that punctuated our last stink out of the premier league but as soon as the pressure has hit, we are back there again, signing the used to be good type players in the hope they rewind the clock. I'm so fucking annoyed tonight
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on January 12, 2020, 09:21:31 PM
He has a big part to play for us according to Dean Smith.  He will pass MKDons to death.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Luke8 on January 12, 2020, 09:28:01 PM
Also youíd imagine that this has been on the cards for a while as the McGinn replacement, even if he was playing at or near his best heís not the type of player to cover the ground and yards that McGinn did.

A strange bit of business.

Completely agree that he is not the same type of player, or as anywhere near as good, as McGinn but getting someone to replace him in mid season, likely on a short term basis was always going to be nigh on impossible. My guess is that Luiz will probably play more of the type of role that McGinn played while Drinkwater will be the player sitting a little depose.

It may well turn out to be a poor signing, but as I mentioned earlier, we need to give Drinkwater more than the 80 minutes today to see his overall worth to the team.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bad English on January 12, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
I watched the game a few hours after having a general anaesthetic and something like a drain inspector with a hook and a laser on the end shoved up the middle of my Cumberland sausage; I thought I was having post-operative hallucinations when I saw Danny Drinkwater running around playing what seemed to be primary school kiss-chase. I even thought it was me playing football (anyone who has seen me 'play' will know). Excruciating.

I am not going to slam him though. Deciding it was a good idea to a) sign him, and then b) start him against Citeh is a sign of either desperation or gross incompetence.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: TonyD on January 12, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
He is not going to be that tough tackling rock we need is he....
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 09:35:48 PM
His debut reminded me of Djemba-Djemba at home v Arsenal.  Another occasion when a team were pleased that somebody was prepared to take one of their wasters off their hands.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
Looks exactly what I thought he was. Stopped caring after winning the title.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: David_Nab on January 12, 2020, 09:43:35 PM
He is not going to be that tough tackling rock we need is he....

No he is another tidy ball playing cm , what we need is a destroyer in there
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2020, 09:43:43 PM
He is not going to be that tough tackling rock we need is he....

Couldn't tackle a stick of rock, complete plodder and mentally about as switched on as my nan, bless her.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ROBBO on January 12, 2020, 09:44:18 PM
We don't have time to give Drinkwater minutes to get up to speed or anyone else for that matter, we need players that are fully fit and  ready to go. Thought Grealish looked very frustrated today.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2020, 09:45:11 PM
Are really giving a player grief after one game?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2020, 09:47:50 PM
In fairness itís not like people werenít questioning the signing beforehand. He has not shown anything for two years.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2020, 09:48:36 PM
He's been semi retired. He's in to replace McGinn. We are fucking around.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 12, 2020, 09:49:01 PM
I'd have started him and upon the game being over inside half an hour, being generous, I would have left him on for as long as possible too.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AVH87 on January 12, 2020, 09:49:02 PM
I'm not writing him off yet, Hause had a bad debut last Jan and came good later in the season. Not saying I have really high hopes either but today was a baptism of fire.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 09:50:46 PM
Are really giving a player grief after one game?

When that player played a part in the first four goals through sheer ineptitude, you betcha.  He was fucking awful.  Strange that, for somebody who couldn't even get a sniff of a game at Burnley.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 12, 2020, 09:53:07 PM
Are really giving a player grief after one game?
He had a dreadful game, directly contributing to at least 2 of their goals.  Not sure what the problem is with giving him grief for that.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 09:56:30 PM
I'd like to know what Smith saw today that he thought would be a positive going forward.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
I can't see us signing any other midfielder before the next two. Can see him starting at Brighton tbh.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 12, 2020, 09:59:41 PM
Are really giving a player grief after one game?

Yes, get over it, heís as shit as pretty much everyone predicted.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 12, 2020, 10:00:04 PM
I thought he was worse.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: CT Villan on January 12, 2020, 10:00:38 PM
I'd like to know what Smith saw today that he thought would be a positive going forward.

A massive positive is that Fanny Treadwater can't get any worse.

In reality, he shouldn't have been started today after playing so little recently, though hindsight is 20/20.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
I thought he was worse.

Yes itís hard to think how he could have done worse.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2020, 10:05:09 PM
I thought he was worse.

Yes itís hard to think how he could have done worse.

A hat trick of fuck ups to cost us 3 goals instead of just the 2?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 12, 2020, 10:05:56 PM
Hourihane was worse. By a long chalk. Hourihane's only contribution was to, sort of, kinda, ish, mebbe, get within 5 yards of De Bryune, who used all that afforded time to knock a ball up top and let them score. He also under hit a pass to Jack and then, after a time, managed to run off.

Connor Hologram today.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clampy on January 12, 2020, 10:09:18 PM
Are really giving a player grief after one game?

Yes, get over it, heís as shit as pretty much everyone predicted.

You might want to give up on a player after one game, that's up to you.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2020, 10:10:31 PM
I thought he was worse.

Yes itís hard to think how he could have done worse.

I suppose he could have directly contributed to 5 Man City goals rather than just the 4.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2020, 10:10:46 PM
Hourihane was worse. By a long chalk. Hourihane's only contribution was to, sort of, kinda, ish, mebbe, get within 5 yards of De Bryune, who used all that afforded time to knock a ball up top and let them score. He also under hit a pass to Jack and then, after a time, managed to run off.

Connor Hologram today.

He just gets bypassed by teams who can pass and move in central midfield.

The crux is he will probably be the difference in at least one six pointer in the run in with a goal or good set piece so that's why you keep him around.

To me he's just like AEM, Taylor, Lansbury, El Ghazi. O.k ish squad players but if in August you'd said all of them would've started a decent chunk of our games I doubt anyone would've believed it.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2020, 10:12:00 PM
Are really giving a player grief after one game?

Yes, get over it, heís as shit as pretty much everyone predicted.

You might want to give up on a player after one game, that's up to you.

It's not like he had the usual definition of an iffy game, though, is it?

He was directly responsible for giving away *four* goals and comes here with a history as a drink problem waster who couldn't get a game at Burnley FFS.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ad@m on January 12, 2020, 10:16:23 PM
Hourihane was worse. By a long chalk. Hourihane's only contribution was to, sort of, kinda, ish, mebbe, get within 5 yards of De Bryune, who used all that afforded time to knock a ball up top and let them score. He also under hit a pass to Jack and then, after a time, managed to run off.

Connor Hologram today.

He just gets bypassed by teams who can pass and move in central midfield.

The crux is he will probably be the difference in at least one six pointer in the run in with a goal or good set piece so that's why you keep him around.

To me he's just like AEM, Taylor, Lansbury, El Ghazi. O.k ish squad players but if in August you'd said all of them would've started a decent chunk of our games I doubt anyone would've believed it.

This is the thing, we came up with pretty much everyone to a man saying that those players weren't good enough for the Prem.  Yet here we are, relying on those players to keep us in the Prem.

I know we spent a fortune over the Summer but it hasn't been spent well has it.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 12, 2020, 10:19:12 PM
I dont disagree, he was selected for the percentage ball, if we ever got the chance.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Luke8 on January 12, 2020, 10:23:11 PM
Hourihane was worse. By a long chalk. Hourihane's only contribution was to, sort of, kinda, ish, mebbe, get within 5 yards of De Bryune, who used all that afforded time to knock a ball up top and let them score. He also under hit a pass to Jack and then, after a time, managed to run off.

Connor Hologram today.

He just gets bypassed by teams who can pass and move in central midfield.

The crux is he will probably be the difference in at least one six pointer in the run in with a goal or good set piece so that's why you keep him around.

To me he's just like AEM, Taylor, Lansbury, El Ghazi. O.k ish squad players but if in August you'd said all of them would've started a decent chunk of our games I doubt anyone would've believed it.

This is the thing, we came up with pretty much everyone to a man saying that those players weren't good enough for the Prem.  Yet here we are, relying on those players to keep us in the Prem.

I know we spent a fortune over the Summer but it hasn't been spent well has it.

The size of the rebuild required was the problem though. We saw in the  one true quality player we bought in Mings the cost of that level of player. If we spent the budget exclusively on those players we wouldnít have had a squad.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Des Little on January 12, 2020, 10:23:43 PM
On todayís showing, he doesnít look any better than what we have already, probably worse in fact.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2020, 10:33:41 PM
One thing I was impressed with is that we seem to have unearthed another slow player to compliment the running through treacle midfielders we already have.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aev on January 12, 2020, 10:35:41 PM
At least he is getting some minutes in his legs.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 12, 2020, 10:36:45 PM
One thing I was impressed with is that we seem to have unearthed another slow player to compliment the running through treacle midfielders we already have.

Does he tell them that, then? "Well done for being so slow and useless."
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 12, 2020, 10:37:24 PM
Sorry. Disengage teacher-mode.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 12, 2020, 10:37:40 PM
This is the thing, we came up with pretty much everyone to a man saying that those players weren't good enough for the Prem.
I'm not sure that's true.  If you go back and have a look at the realistic expectations thread from the summer, a good chunk of people thought we'd finish comfortably mid-table.  Hardly anyone thought we'd be relegated.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sickbeggar on January 12, 2020, 10:39:56 PM
I thought it would be touch and go staying up. I can't remember what the majority said on here but mid-table seems delusional.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 12, 2020, 10:40:28 PM
If the answer was Danny Drinkwater then the question must have been name a useless fat tub of shit.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 12, 2020, 10:41:04 PM
The first goal was down to Taylor, check the video.
He should not have started today but he was not the worst Villa  player.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Newby on January 12, 2020, 10:41:50 PM
I thought it would be touch and go staying up. I can't remember what the majority said on here but mid-table seems delusional.

It maybe does now, but perhaps didn't when they said it in the summer.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sickbeggar on January 12, 2020, 10:46:10 PM
I thought it would be touch and go staying up. I can't remember what the majority said on here but mid-table seems delusional.

It maybe does now, but perhaps didn't when they said it in the summer.

I was basing it on the squad we finished the season with. You don't need to be a fortune teller to see that squad was going to struggle as it was. mebbe all the arrivals and the money spent bred a sense of complacency but as has been pointed out none of them were proven at this level.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 10:46:32 PM
The first goal was down to Taylor, check the video.
He should not have started today but he was not the worst Villa  player.

I realise it's not proof of anything, but his score of 4.8 out of 10 today on Whoscored, is the lowest of any Villa player all season.  It chimes with what I saw today because he was horrendous.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 12, 2020, 10:48:58 PM
I thought it would be touch and go staying up. I can't remember what the majority said on here but mid-table seems delusional.

It maybe does now, but perhaps didn't when they said it in the summer.

I was basing it on the squad we finished the season with. You don't need to be a fortune teller to see that squad was going to struggle as it was. mebbe all the arrivals and the money spent bred a sense of complacency but as has been pointed out none of them were proven at this level.
I remember someone saying the players' lack of experience would actually be an advantage because other teams wouldn't know who they were.  Turns out it was us who didn't know who they were.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 12, 2020, 10:52:24 PM
I thought it would be touch and go staying up. I can't remember what the majority said on here but mid-table seems delusional.

It maybe does now, but perhaps didn't when they said it in the summer.

I was basing it on the squad we finished the season with. You don't need to be a fortune teller to see that squad was going to struggle as it was. mebbe all the arrivals and the money spent bred a sense of complacency but as has been pointed out none of them were proven at this level.

I'd say optimism more than complacency. And if you can't be (possibly blindly) optmistic about your team before the season starts, what's the point.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 10:55:16 PM
Purslow is quoted as saying that we were absolutely were not intending to just make up the numbers, and that he wanted us to make a big splash in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 12, 2020, 10:56:40 PM
The first goal was down to Taylor, check the video.
He should not have started today but he was not the worst Villa  player.

I realise it's not proof of anything, but his score of 4.8 out of 10 today on Whoscored, is the lowest of any Villa player all season.  It chimes with what I saw today because he was horrendous.

I canít believe Taylor or Hourihane was worse but I was watching on TV.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sickbeggar on January 12, 2020, 10:59:04 PM
I thought it would be touch and go staying up. I can't remember what the majority said on here but mid-table seems delusional.

It maybe does now, but perhaps didn't when they said it in the summer.

I was basing it on the squad we finished the season with. You don't need to be a fortune teller to see that squad was going to struggle as it was. mebbe all the arrivals and the money spent bred a sense of complacency but as has been pointed out none of them were proven at this level.
I remember someone saying the players' lack of experience would actually be an advantage because other teams wouldn't know who they were.  Turns out it was us who didn't know who they were.

heh. I can't help thinking Smith probably did too well. It was basically bruce's squad that was a patchy championship side at the best of times. You lose your only striker in Abrahams (and even he wasn't proven in the premiership at the time), you have all manner of deadwood playing regularly and the only names you can write down on your team sheet  with any confidence are grealish, Mcginn and Mings. People can argue that he's bought badly with some justification but 10 plus players all in at once all, gelling and finding their feet instantly is a hell of an ask for any manager.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2020, 10:59:22 PM
Hourihane was his usual anonymous self, and I don't recall him doing a single thing of note.  I suppose you can argue that not doing anything good is slightly better than contributing directly to giving away four goals, but it's like arguing between a kick in the balls or trapping your dick in your zip.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 12, 2020, 11:05:42 PM
Hourihane was his usual anonymous self, and I don't recall him doing a single thing of note.  I suppose you can argue that not doing anything good is slightly better than contributing directly to giving away four goals, but it's like arguing between a kick in the balls or trapping your dick in your zip.



Balls marginally I think 🤔
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on January 12, 2020, 11:15:54 PM
Having watched I think itís a bit uncharitable to say he was directly responsible for 4 goals.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sickbeggar on January 12, 2020, 11:19:44 PM
I thought it would be touch and go staying up. I can't remember what the majority said on here but mid-table seems delusional.

It maybe does now, but perhaps didn't when they said it in the summer.

I was basing it on the squad we finished the season with. You don't need to be a fortune teller to see that squad was going to struggle as it was. mebbe all the arrivals and the money spent bred a sense of complacency but as has been pointed out none of them were proven at this level.

I'd say optimism more than complacency. And if you can't be (possibly blindly) optmistic about your team before the season starts, what's the point.

True. I must admit the spending looked good on paper at the time but again squad wise i thought we had a hell of rebuilding job to do.  Anyway since when did spending prove anything when you come up? Norwich finished 18 points above us in the championship 37m spent - 7 points below us. sheffield U finished 13 points above us.  Spent 42m. 11 points above us currently. I have no idea why sheff united have kicked on and us and Norwich haven't
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 12, 2020, 11:36:25 PM
Having watched I think itís a bit uncharitable to say he was directly responsible for 4 goals.

Definitely DD mostly to blame for first, woeful effort twice to stop Mahrez. Taylor and Hause also crap. Nyland beaten at near post too.

Pretty much all on DD for second.

DD done with embarrassing ease by KdeB in middle of pitch. That gutless pr*ck Luiz failed to even attempt to tackle Aguero, stopped running actually.

DD once again can't get near KdeB who puts in a superb cross under no pressure from DD. Konsa as per usual ballwatching side on doesn't even see Jesus.

Both Luiz and DD leave huge amount of space behind them again for City to find space. Konsa dreadful again as Aguero scores with embarrassing ease against multiple defenders.

All on Hause for the 6th.

As debuts go...
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 12, 2020, 11:39:29 PM
Not the greatest.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 12, 2020, 11:45:53 PM
Having watched I think itís a bit uncharitable to say he was directly responsible for 4 goals.

Definitely DD mostly to blame for first, woeful effort twice to stop Mahrez. Taylor and Hause also crap. Nyland beaten at near post too.

Pretty much all on DD for second.

DD done with embarrassing ease by KdeB in middle of pitch. That gutless pr*ck Luiz failed to even attempt to tackle Aguero, stopped running actually.

DD once again can't get near KdeB who puts in a superb cross under no pressure from DD. Konsa as per usual ballwatching side on doesn't even see Jesus.

Both Luiz and DD leave huge amount of space behind them again for City to find space. Konsa dreadful again as Aguero scores with embarrassing ease against multiple defenders.

All on Hause for the 6th.

As debuts go...
The first a Goal Taylor runs forty yards to close down the citeh defender leaving Mahrez ( the bloke he is supposed to be marking) completely open. Taylor is then 20 yards behind him when he recieved the ball and does fuck all to get back.

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on January 12, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
Iím not suggesting he wasnít anything but woeful but, when playing with 3 centre backs, youíd expect at least one of them to throw their bodies in the way of some of the shots that were scored from.

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 12, 2020, 11:56:24 PM
Hourihane was worse. By a long chalk. Hourihane's only contribution was to, sort of, kinda, ish, mebbe, get within 5 yards of De Bryune, who used all that afforded time to knock a ball up top and let them score. He also under hit a pass to Jack and then, after a time, managed to run off.

Connor Hologram today.

He just gets bypassed by teams who can pass and move in central midfield.

The crux is he will probably be the difference in at least one six pointer in the run in with a goal or good set piece so that's why you keep him around.

To me he's just like AEM, Taylor, Lansbury, El Ghazi. O.k ish squad players but if in August you'd said all of them would've started a decent chunk of our games I doubt anyone would've believed it.

This is the thing, we came up with pretty much everyone to a man saying that those players weren't good enough for the Prem.  Yet here we are, relying on those players to keep us in the Prem.

I know we spent a fortune over the Summer but it hasn't been spent well has it.

The size of the rebuild required was the problem though. We saw in the  one true quality player we bought in Mings the cost of that level of player. If we spent the budget exclusively on those players we wouldnít have had a squad.

Well Engels, Gulibert and Hause have been o.k or better so far and they cost under 15m between them so that's a good example of three who are squad players or regular starters and good value.

Way to do it is get in 2-3 of Mings level, 2-3 of Engels-Freddie and then 2-3 from the loan market we seemed to think was some evil invention over the summer (even though our promotion from the championship was largely from it). Now we're suddenly using it extensively again in a bit of a panic.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on January 13, 2020, 07:47:01 AM
What possessed us to sign this fella on loan? Even if we are paying just 40% of his salary, it is tens of thousands of pounds a week wasted because he's never going to get fit enough or dedicated enough to make one scintilla of difference to our chances of survival. The most extraordinary decision in recent Villa transfer history and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ROBBO on January 13, 2020, 07:54:37 AM
It smacked of desperation getting DD, as if we don't have enough midfielders that cannot do the job. Whoever thought it was a good idea should be sacked.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 07:57:02 AM
I am hoping that there is a player there that just needs to get match fit.
I am not convinced  that he is the type of player we need though.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2020, 08:02:49 AM
What possessed us to sign this fella on loan? Even if we are paying just 40% of his salary, it is tens of thousands of pounds a week wasted because he's never going to get fit enough or dedicated enough to make one scintilla of difference to our chances of survival. The most extraordinary decision in recent Villa transfer history and that's saying something.

With respect, the last bit of your post is a tad over the top. It's just a loan signing, we haven't  paid millions for him and he might come in a do a job in the middle of the park. Let's give the bloke a chance shall we?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ROBBO on January 13, 2020, 08:08:23 AM
How long is his contract with Chelsea? unless it's just about to run out he can have a nice holiday in Brum, no need to get sweaty like.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on January 13, 2020, 08:13:43 AM
I often think we are just fans banging about on our keyboards why would we know more than the highly paid professionals

I mean we might think we do but in reality we are just playing around talking shite

we donít think Drinkwater is any good
we donít like the team line up
Itís set up badly wrong
3 central defenders with Taylor & Elmo as wing backs is ridiculous

Then we see a game like last night and a few others before and we see we are right we do know more,
they really donít know what they are doing

does your head in when keyboard warriors like us can see the basics of whatís going wrong yet itís a mystery to those in Charge




Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 08:21:29 AM
I often think we are just fans banging about on our keyboards why would we know more than the highly paid professionals

I mean we might think we do but in reality we are just playing around talking shite

we donít think Drinkwater is any good
we donít like the team line up
Itís set up badly wrong
3 central defenders with Taylor & Elmo as wing backs is ridiculous

Then we see a game like last night and a few others before and we see we are right we do know more,
they really donít know what they are doing

does your head in when keyboard warriors like us can see the basics of whatís going wrong yet itís a mystery to those in Charge
Yes like Taylor canít kick a football to a team mate.
Hourihane can not defend
You can not run off a hamstring injury
When you are being overrun, maybe make a substitution to help stop being over run.
Wes on his own does not work
You need Premier League quality to survive in the Premier League
Defensive midfielder is really important.
Starting a bloke who has played 2 games in 2 years might be a problem.
Rocket science
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 13, 2020, 08:21:49 AM
What possessed us to sign this fella on loan? Even if we are paying just 40% of his salary, it is tens of thousands of pounds a week wasted because he's never going to get fit enough or dedicated enough to make one scintilla of difference to our chances of survival. The most extraordinary decision in recent Villa transfer history and that's saying something.

Reminds me of the Jenas loan signing.  A complete disastrous mistake.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: GarTomas on January 13, 2020, 08:22:15 AM
I didnít think he was that bad.

You have to look at the entire team and where we want to be.
3rd choice keeper, a squad player Hause and a young prospect in Konsa next to Mings.
The wing backs who were widely seen as not being good enough for the championship.

In midfield Drinkwater whoís desperately short of minutes but with some more match practice may just be good enough for the level we are aiming for (17th) Luiz whoís been hit and miss but again not played much at this level and Hourihane who is not a premier league player.

Jack and El Ghazi up front.  This year was always going to be difficult as we got promoted a year before the board and manager expected. That gave us a chance of building a squad for the top flight with Grealish in it.

It was a horrible performance yesterday where Man City were irresistible and we just couldnít get near them. Was our application good enough? No. Do I think the effort at Leicester took a lot out of them? Yes.

I still maintain the biggest link in the team yesterday was the wing backs who either didnít want to or were instructed not to get forward when we had possession. That made the Leicester performance good, and the defence and the midfield had options when we were trying to move up the pitch.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: danno on January 13, 2020, 08:57:35 AM
I am hoping that there is a player there that just needs to get match fit.

Same, although I do wonder how many games that will actually take.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AV82EC on January 13, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
I didnít think he was that bad.

You have to look at the entire team and where we want to be.
3rd choice keeper, a squad player Hause and a young prospect in Konsa next to Mings.
The wing backs who were widely seen as not being good enough for the championship.

In midfield Drinkwater whoís desperately short of minutes but with some more match practice may just be good enough for the level we are aiming for (17th) Luiz whoís been hit and miss but again not played much at this level and Hourihane who is not a premier league player.

Jack and El Ghazi up front.  This year was always going to be difficult as we got promoted a year before the board and manager expected. That gave us a chance of building a squad for the top flight with Grealish in it.

It was a horrible performance yesterday where Man City were irresistible and we just couldnít get near them. Was our application good enough? No. Do I think the effort at Leicester took a lot out of them? Yes.

I still maintain the biggest link in the team yesterday was the wing backs who either didnít want to or were instructed not to get forward when we had possession. That made the Leicester performance good, and the defence and the midfield had options when we were trying to move up the pitch.

Great analysis. We seemed to sacrifice space and physicality on the alter of keeping our shape. It failed miserably.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Luke8 on January 13, 2020, 09:06:23 AM

Well Engels, Gulibert and Hause have been o.k or better so far and they cost under 15m between them so that's a good example of three who are squad players or regular starters and good value.

Way to do it is get in 2-3 of Mings level, 2-3 of Engels-Freddie and then 2-3 from the loan market we seemed to think was some evil invention over the summer (even though our promotion from the championship was largely from it). Now we're suddenly using it extensively again in a bit of a panic.

While that is possible in theory, it is pretty difficult in reality. Iím not sure nine players would have been enough for a start.

I can sort of see where they were coming from regarding loans. They probably cost us an extra £10m or so with Mings for example. And you are then restricting yourself to young players that need development or players that canít get into their respective teams. Two areas where people have been pretty critical about the transfer business we have done.

There hasnít been many hugely successful loans this season at all. Aaron Mooy would have been decent for us but thatís probably about it.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: olaftab on January 13, 2020, 10:23:35 AM
For crying out loud...the man was not match fit and the only way to sort that is to play him. Letís judge him properly after the next two games.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2020, 10:25:34 AM
For crying out loud...the man was not match fit and the only way to sort that is to play him. Letís judge him properly after the next two games.

Is that not what reserve team games are for, getting people match fit? The reason he isn't match fit is because he's rubbish, has a bad attitude, and Sean Dyche wanted nothing to do with him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 13, 2020, 10:27:14 AM
Im suprised he was so poor as he has been excellent for Burnley.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 13, 2020, 10:48:50 AM
For crying out loud...the man was not match fit and the only way to sort that is to play him. Letís judge him properly after the next two games.

He isn't remotely fit, not just match fit. It's not a gamble you take in Jan, maybe early summer and get a pre season into him. Burnley tried that and he failed dismally while the likes of Westwood, Cork and Hendrick played ahead of him.

This guy is a joke of a professional and we have tasked him with fixing the biggest problem area in our team, providing some semblance of cover to our defence. His signing, and that of Reina, beggar belief.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2020, 10:55:52 AM
If it was just a case of giving him a few games and then he'd be back to being a decent midfielder, why didn't Dyche try that?  It's not like Burnley are flying and couldn't do with an influx of decent players themselves.  Still, Dean thinks "Drinky" did well. *vomit*
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Des Little on January 13, 2020, 11:03:55 AM
Surely there's a 14 day cooling off period to allow us to return the item?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2020, 11:13:33 AM
Surely there's a 14 day cooling off period to allow us to return the item?


You think if we have a receipt we can return them to the shop for refund?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Luffbralion on January 13, 2020, 11:24:37 AM
Surely there's a 14 day cooling off period to allow us to return the item?


You think if we have a receipt we can return them to the shop for refund?

The consumer act does allow you to get your money back if the article is "not fit for purpose".
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 13, 2020, 11:32:13 AM
Im suprised he was so poor as he has been excellent for Burnley.

Irony I am assuming, that or you're mad!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2020, 11:37:02 AM
Is that really his nickname amongst his teammates, Drinky? Almost as Ashley "Youngy" Young.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bad English on January 13, 2020, 11:47:28 AM
Hourihane was his usual anonymous self, and I don't recall him doing a single thing of note.  I suppose you can argue that not doing anything good is slightly better than contributing directly to giving away four goals, but it's like arguing between a kick in the balls or trapping your dick in your zip.



Balls marginally I think 🤔
I had a double J stent stuffed up the middle of my Catalan sausage yesterday; I'd rather have that done again than see Hourihane start.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 13, 2020, 11:48:35 AM
For crying out loud...the man was not match fit and the only way to sort that is to play him. Letís judge him properly after the next two games.


Errr, OK sure.

Drinky? More like frigging Stinky.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 13, 2020, 11:50:10 AM
A spell in the U23s if he needs to get match fit.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 11:50:35 AM
Surely there's a 14 day cooling off period to allow us to return the item?


You think if we have a receipt we can return them to the shop for refund?

The consumer act does allow you to get your money back if the article is "not fit for purpose".
Actually the Sale of Goods act does, sadly Drinky is not classed as goods.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 13, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
Surely there's a 14 day cooling off period to allow us to return the item?


You think if we have a receipt we can return them to the shop for refund?

The consumer act does allow you to get your money back if the article is "not fit for purpose".
Actually the Sale of Goods act does, sadly Drinky is not classed as goods.
No, he's classed as bads.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2020, 01:16:59 PM
Both Luiz and Hourihane are quite slow and extremely weak in the tackle and give no support to the defence at all.  Why Smith/Pitarch thought that loaning a third player with these attributes would help is anybody's guess.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2020, 01:29:00 PM
The only point in singling him out is that he was only signed this week. They were all fucking garbage yesterday.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2020, 01:30:48 PM
Yep, there needs to be collective responsibility. No-one came out of yesterdays game with any credit really.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ian J on January 13, 2020, 01:31:12 PM
Catch 22 I suppose. I thought it was crazy to select him yesterday, but then he needs game time. After seeing him yesterday, he may need a few games too get up to the speed of the game.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2020, 01:34:57 PM
The only point in singling him out is that he was only signed this week. They were all fucking garbage yesterday.

They were, but he was the worst of the lot.  Contributed massively to the first four goals.  Worst debut since Ugo's.*



*I know.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2020, 01:39:35 PM
The only point in singling him out is that he was only signed this week. They were all fucking garbage yesterday.

They were, but he was the worst of the lot.  Contributed massively to the first four goals.  Worst debut since Ugo's.*



*I know.

I'm not sure he was the worst, but there were more eyes on him.

That dithering on the edge of the 6 yard box was ridiculous mind.

Hourihane was completely absent yesterday. At least Drinkwater was in there (and I'm not defending him after that debut, before anyone tries throwing that at me).
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: usav on January 13, 2020, 02:02:42 PM
The only point in singling him out is that he was only signed this week. They were all fucking garbage yesterday.

They were, but he was the worst of the lot.  Contributed massively to the first four goals.  Worst debut since Ugo's.*



*I know.

I actually thought he looked decent for the first 20 minutes.  Lack of games and match fitness soon showed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on January 13, 2020, 04:30:11 PM
decent for 20 minutes? Were you pissed?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2020, 06:47:42 PM
decent for 20 minutes? Were you pissed?

He thought we kicked off at 4pm.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: olaftab on January 13, 2020, 08:56:46 PM
Surely there's a 14 day cooling off period to allow us to return the item?

May be we can return him just like we did to that Swansea player couple of seasons ago?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 13, 2020, 08:57:52 PM
Sorry to say but damaged goods well past sell by date
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: London Villan on January 13, 2020, 09:30:47 PM
Has there been a worse debut?

Lee Hendrie getting sent off on his maybe... but even that was in the last minute of an ok appearance.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 13, 2020, 09:33:44 PM
Has there been a worse debut?

Lee Hendrie getting sent off on his maybe... but even that was in the last minute of an ok appearance.

Whichever striker we bring in let's just hope he does a Benito Carbone rather than a Danny Drinkwater....
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 13, 2020, 09:42:55 PM
That Croatia keepers debut last season wasn't clever
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Rigadon on January 13, 2020, 09:45:02 PM
I think (and pray) he will improve.  Man City, as shite as we were, is no barometer this season. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 13, 2020, 10:10:13 PM
I liked this tweet:

Danny Drinkwater? Danny Drinkfivepintsbeforekickoff, more like.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 13, 2020, 10:13:53 PM
I think he needs more than 75 minutes, give the guy a chance
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: tony scott on January 13, 2020, 11:16:03 PM
He was on the pitch for a long time considering his lack of 1st team playing time, I donít know in what style we wonít him to play Box to box or DM or playmaker or is a bit of everything?  give him a few more games but in our mid field we canít afford to carry him so we must act quickly.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 13, 2020, 11:36:32 PM
Has there been a worse debut?

Lee Hendrie getting sent off on his maybe... but even that was in the last minute of an ok appearance.

Didn't see it but Hause got absolute pelters on here for his debut last season. Wesley was utterly hopeless at Spurs too. But I think Drinkwater's will stand the test of time.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 13, 2020, 11:50:59 PM
Has there been a worse debut?

Ugo vs Norwich.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: purpletrousers on January 14, 2020, 12:05:30 AM
decent for 20 minutes? Were you pissed?
He did break up play 2 or 3 times in the first 10-15...
Iíll have a look at MOTD to relive the horror show, but also feel that game was a baptism of fire for a presumably non-match fit non-sharp debut.
Was a fairly desperate roll of the dice to start him, but maybe the minutes will help him up
to speed?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 14, 2020, 12:08:26 AM
Hause ar Wigan, 366 days ago. Taylor was awful then. He was just as awful against £70m players.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Legion on January 14, 2020, 12:17:06 AM
Has there been a worse debut?

Ugo vs Norwich.

No.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: wince on January 14, 2020, 06:56:20 AM
Purslow is quoted as saying that we were absolutely were not intending to just make up the numbers, and that he wanted us to make a big splash in the Premier League.
The only splash weíve made thus far is our turd like season hitting the pan....
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on January 14, 2020, 07:21:33 AM
Way way back I saw Amos Moss, of the legendary Villa Moss dynasty, taken off, in the days before substitutes, to save him further abuse.  God knows what a 60,000 crowd of 1940s Villa fans would have made of Danny Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: passport1 on January 14, 2020, 07:37:33 AM
One game and hes been written off. Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sid1964 on January 14, 2020, 07:39:07 AM
Hopefully he will improve, because if that was his best effort on Sunday, then he will soon be back on the subs bench!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on January 14, 2020, 07:39:48 AM
 The guy is shite and whoever sanctioned the deal needs sectioning.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2020, 07:42:43 AM
Right Danny now the dust has settled from that nightmare onwards and upwards. Perform much much much better against Brighton.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 14, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
I think Smith thought he needs minutes and the rest of the team had had a tough game at Leicester.  I guess we knew we would lose anyway so took the opportunity to get some game time into Drinkwater. Far drom ideal, but at least he's blown some cobwebs away for the more important games coming up.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Mister E on January 14, 2020, 10:54:05 AM
I think Smith thought he needs minutes and the rest of the team had had a tough game at Leicester.  I guess we knew we would lose anyway so took the opportunity to get some game time into Drinkwater. Far drom ideal, but at least he's blown some cobwebs away for the more important games coming up.
Good way to view it, Chris.
Got to keep looking for good things, otherwise we may as well give up.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: postal on January 14, 2020, 12:46:10 PM
I think Smith thought he needs minutes and the rest of the team had had a tough game at Leicester.  I guess we knew we would lose anyway so took the opportunity to get some game time into Drinkwater. Far drom ideal, but at least he's blown some cobwebs away for the more important games coming up.

I agree - I dont think we have time to treat anyone with kid-gloves, and the City game was always going to hard, even if we had a team full of energy and confidence, so giving him some (nasty) minutes was the best thing. No games are easy, but hopefully they wont be the same as City.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clampy on January 14, 2020, 01:16:06 PM
Didn't Kortney Hause have a dreadful debut as well?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2020, 01:53:41 PM
Didn't Kortney Hause have a dreadful debut as well?

Yes, but then he hadn't spent two years going out on the razz rather than trying to maintain a football career.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Mister E on January 14, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
Didn't Kortney Hause have a dreadful debut as well?
reprised last Sunday ...
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: lovejoy on January 14, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
Do we think, maybe, we hould give him a chance rather than jumping on his back after just one match against a top, top side. Just saying.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2020, 02:22:24 PM
Do we think, maybe, we hould give him a chance rather than jumping on his back after just one match against a top, top side. Just saying.

Sean Dyche didn't.  Just saying.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 14, 2020, 02:28:39 PM
There's a difference in being a bit sceptical about a player and laying in from day one.

You may well be proved right, but the thing is it feels like you want to be.  Just saying.

For me, I have my doubts but until we've seen him in a good few games I'll try to remain hopeful that he can make a decent contribution.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AV82EC on January 14, 2020, 03:56:10 PM
He just looked like a slightly less preened Lansbury to me. However early days letís see if he improves before he becomes this seasons Jenas/Pires.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2020, 03:57:59 PM
There's a difference in being a bit sceptical about a player and laying in from day one.

You may well be proved right, but the thing is it feels like you want to be.  Just saying.


Oh don't start with that drivel.  Drinkwater is an absolute bellend who has been more interested in going out on the lash than he has been reviving his career.  Dyche saw through him and sent him back, so thinking he knows better, Smith has taken a hopeful punt on him.  He's our absolute bellend now of course, and for that reason I hope he'll come good, but I'll be amazed if it happens.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 14, 2020, 04:23:48 PM
For 99% of signings i'm with Chris and the others that say give him a chance. For Danny Drinkwater i'm not, an absolute steaming turd of a signing that makes no sense what so ever. People are occasionally allowed to vent frustration at what appears to be a massive brain freeze from those involved, especially when it's a player that has pissed it away and is not a youngster any more. The sympathy for players like Drinkwater is understandably a lot less than some of these younger guys just starting out.

And regardless of what happens on the pitch really, within reason, it fucks me off that we are effectively putting a Chelsea player in 'rehab' for them. He was no better than the young midfielders we have, if as good on Sunday and we're helping him and Chelsea out a the expense of playing one of our own.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 14, 2020, 04:32:06 PM
There's a difference in being a bit sceptical about a player and laying in from day one.

You may well be proved right, but the thing is it feels like you want to be.  Just saying.


Oh don't start with that drivel.  Drinkwater is an absolute bellend who has been more interested in going out on the lash than he has been reviving his career.  Dyche saw through him and sent him back, so thinking he knows better, Smith has taken a hopeful punt on him.  He's our absolute bellend now of course, and for that reason I hope he'll come good, but I'll be amazed if it happens.

Conjecture. Dyche hasn't had a bad word to say about him.

There's nothing in what's been said to think that Smith feels he knows better either, unless you've got a quote or some itk?

Why suggest what someone else has suggested is drivel and then post that?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2020, 04:34:00 PM
It has been stated that it will take him a while (weeks) to get up to full match fitness so why sign him on in the first place? -  and then compound matters by  playing him up against such stern opposition - surely that's setting him up to fail anyhow?
I surmise that  Smith would have watched him closely in pre match training Ö. what did he demonstrate to get a place in the first team so quickly ?
Or was it:
 " You ok for Sunday, Drinky?"
"Yes boss, I wont let you down"
"ok, you are in"

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 14, 2020, 04:38:58 PM
It has been stated that it will take him a while (weeks) to get up to full match fitness so why sign him on in the first place?

Precisely. And that really is best case scenario, worst and most likely is that we have the daft c*** around our young players as a great example, pay his wages and get fuck all back on the pitch.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 14, 2020, 04:44:55 PM
Minds have been made up very quickly.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on January 14, 2020, 05:49:57 PM
in your opinion. Lots of others think  he's played a few games in years because he can't do otherwise now and has a penchant for alcohol and getting himself into difficulty socially.  Dyche sent him back which speaks volumes. IMO,  he's washed up as a player and is consuming valuable cash that should have been pledged to a greater priority - as is Reina.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on January 14, 2020, 05:55:58 PM
I remember when Mings signed on loan and some people weren't exactly enthusiastic about it.He turned out shit didn't he.
Drinkwater may well be crap but give him more than one game against one of the best teams in the world before you want to fuck him off.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 14, 2020, 06:02:11 PM
in your opinion. Lots of others think  he's played a few games in years because he can't do otherwise now and has a penchant for alcohol and getting himself into difficulty socially.  Dyche sent him back which speaks volumes. IMO,  he's washed up as a player and is consuming valuable cash that should have been pledged to a greater priority - as is Reina.

Well yes, that is my opinion, self evidently.

The speculation bit that makes up the bulk of your post is an opinion too. How informed it is, I don't know.

I don't know much about him as a player, I don't know whether he will be a success, but I am willing to judge him on what he does and for me, 78 minutes is not long enough.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2020, 06:18:10 PM
I remember when Mings signed on loan and some people weren't exactly enthusiastic about it.He turned out shit didn't he.
Drinkwater may well be crap but give him more than one game against one of the best teams in the world before you want to fuck him off.
To quote your earlier vernacular "That's quite plainly bollocks"  One comes across as a consummate professional whilst the other has the reputation for being a bit of a pisshead ;)
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 14, 2020, 06:21:28 PM
The problem is with him that he clearly isn't fit.  In order to get that fitness, he needs games.  But how many?  And can we risk having him as a passenger for however many games that is?  The team was struggling anyway before he arrived, adding an unfit midfielder won't help.  And, even if he does get match fit, is he still the player he was?

It's all a bit fingers crossed with him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Chris Smith on January 14, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
It has been stated that it will take him a while (weeks) to get up to full match fitness so why sign him on in the first place? -  and then compound matters by  playing him up against such stern opposition - surely that's setting him up to fail anyhow?
I surmise that  Smith would have watched him closely in pre match training Ö. what did he demonstrate to get a place in the first team so quickly ?
Or was it:
 " You ok for Sunday, Drinky?"
"Yes boss, I wont let you down"
"ok, you are in"



Or maybe like any sensible manager he realises that you only get match fit by playing in matches. Sunday was a nothing to lose game, better to let him work out some of his rustiness there to give him more chance of being ready for the more important games to come.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: TonyD on January 14, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
Signing a player thatís not match fit, who has a questionable reputation and has hardly played in the PL for years is plain stupid.
Itís a big worry.  Who sanctioned this silliness?..
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2020, 06:41:33 PM
It has been stated that it will take him a while (weeks) to get up to full match fitness so why sign him on in the first place? -  and then compound matters by  playing him up against such stern opposition - surely that's setting him up to fail anyhow?
I surmise that  Smith would have watched him closely in pre match training …. what did he demonstrate to get a place in the first team so quickly ?
Or was it:
 " You ok for Sunday, Drinky?"
"Yes boss, I wont let you down"
"ok, you are in"



Or maybe like any sensible manager he realises that you only get match fit by playing in matches. Sunday was a nothing to lose game, better to let him work out some of his rustiness there to give him more chance of being ready for the more important games to come.
Ok fine, but what does that say about the dearth of quality and strength in depth when an unfit loanee is given the nod over other squad members - and if we have "thrown in the towel" before a ball is even kicked then what is the point? If Smith is giving out such vibes then is it any wonder that we are subjected to abject surrenders like Sunday - Yes Citeh are a top side with quality throughout but giving up before we even get on the park is pretty poor management  - if Drinkwater isn't/wasn't match fit he shouldn't have been in the side. He might turn out to be an astute signing, however evidence over the past two seasons doesn't point to that  - if he is the type of recruit that Smith, et al are looking at then is it any wonder we are at the arse end of the league   
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on January 14, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
I remember when Mings signed on loan and some people weren't exactly enthusiastic about it.He turned out shit didn't he.
Drinkwater may well be crap but give him more than one game against one of the best teams in the world before you want to fuck him off.
To quote your earlier vernacular "That's quite plainly bollocks"  One comes across as a consummate professional whilst the other has the reputation for being a bit of a pisshead ;)
Maybe maybe not.But I'll give him benefit of the doubt to prove he can be an asset not write him off after one game against Manchester City.
He's more likely to fail for being a billy big bollocks and having a shit attitude than being a 'pisshead'.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2020, 06:54:42 PM
I remember when Mings signed on loan and some people weren't exactly enthusiastic about it.He turned out shit didn't he.
Drinkwater may well be crap but give him more than one game against one of the best teams in the world before you want to fuck him off.
To quote your earlier vernacular "That's quite plainly bollocks"  One comes across as a consummate professional whilst the other has the reputation for being a bit of a pisshead ;)
Maybe maybe not.But I'll give him benefit of the doubt to prove he can be an asset not write him off after one game against Manchester City.
He's more likely to fail for being a billy big bollocks and having a shit attitude than being a 'pisshead'.
You mean like Stephen Ireland was ? Makes no odds to me but it still smacks of a desperate loan signing Ö. if that's the best there is so be it but I find it hard to believe that he would of been anywhere near the top of the list of prospective signings ÖÖ we have no choice than to give him the opportunity to impress now he is here Ö..but he looked really poor at the weekend 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 14, 2020, 06:56:48 PM
Stephen Ireland was player of the season.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2020, 06:59:03 PM
Stephen Ireland was player of the season.
And deservedly so eh?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2020, 07:02:07 PM
Stephen Ireland was player of the season.

The ultimate tallest man in Lilliput award. The only comeptition was Bent, who was out nearly half the season, the second highest league scorer managed 4.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 14, 2020, 07:10:50 PM
Stephen Ireland was player of the season.

The ultimate tallest man in Lilliput award. The only comeptition was Bent, who was out nearly half the season, the second highest league scorer managed 4.

The worst part about that season was playing 7 defenders away at Norwich when were safe. Actually it was away at Spurs when his defensive nihilism was really laid bare. Shudders.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on January 14, 2020, 07:11:31 PM
Wasn't Stephen Ireland serial winner of Fans' Player of the Year at Citeh?  Before they turned into a big pile of money and were everybody's second favourite team.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on January 14, 2020, 07:16:25 PM
Anyroadup he was the shortarse in Brobdingnag.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2020, 07:35:54 PM
Can the 'Dyche sent him back so he must be shit' line be given a rest now. Dyche also plays Westwood regularly and most of the people moaning about Drinkwater also spent years complaining about how shit Westwood was. Dyche can't be both a perfect judge of character and ability in 1 case but completely wrong in the other. More reasonably Drinkwater, for whatever reason, just didn't settle at Burnley, that doesn't mean I think he's a great signing or that I expect him to have a massive positive impact, I'm just saying that not playing for a few months in Burnley doesn't mean he's definitely a lost cause.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 14, 2020, 07:49:11 PM
Also, Dyche didn't send him back. It was Drinkwater's decision to not extend the loan. Like Paul, that's not an expression of my faith in him (I don't really have any) but some of the histrionics in regard to Villa's plight are embarrassing at the moment.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on January 14, 2020, 08:05:13 PM
Yeah Benteke's going to save us.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2020, 08:10:29 PM
Also, Dyche didn't send him back. It was Drinkwater's decision to not extend the loan. Like Paul, that's not an expression of my faith in him (I don't really have any) but some of the histrionics in regard to Villa's plight are embarrassing at the moment.
Do you not think that justifiable when you lose at home 1-6? I thought Smith's mantra was to go out and win every game ....on Sunday it sounds like he convinced the team we were going to lose come what may .... perhaps that's the difference between him and Wilder....
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on January 14, 2020, 08:14:43 PM
Iím not judging him on his display against City

I thought he was a bollocks signing before that game
I havenít changed my mind

as Dean might say, itís up to him to change my mind not me to pretend I think itís all going to work out fine
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ian J on January 14, 2020, 08:18:31 PM
Iím the same, itís up to Drinkwater to win me over, he has half a season to do this.
Iíll forget about his debut, they were all useless.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on January 14, 2020, 08:26:11 PM
Yes it will be the old rhyming couplet for Drinkwater.  We came to jeer but we stayed to cheer.  I hope.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on January 14, 2020, 08:46:08 PM
Yes it will be the old rhyming couplet for Drinkwater.  We came to jeer but we stayed to cheer.  I hope.

and ended with beer
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2020, 09:22:50 PM
He looked tired,and a little unfit
When in reality, he was just shit :)
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2020, 09:24:07 PM
He looked tired,and a little unfit
you could be describing me.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2020, 09:26:06 PM
He looked tired,and a little unfit
you could be describing me.
I could be describing most of us on here !!!!!!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ad@m on January 14, 2020, 09:35:41 PM
He looked tired,and a little unfit
you could be describing me.
I could be describing most of us on here !!!!!!

Speak for yourself!  I'll have you know that I'm a lot unfit!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 14, 2020, 10:29:35 PM
I remember when Mings signed on loan and some people weren't exactly enthusiastic about it.He turned out shit didn't he.
Drinkwater may well be crap but give him more than one game against one of the best teams in the world before you want to fuck him off.

Not remotely comparable. No evidence of Mings being a piss head at Bournemouth. Mings may have lacked a little match sharpness when he first came but clearly kept himself in shape and fit. Drinkwater evidently hasn't and as a result is a national laughing stock after his debut.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 14, 2020, 10:45:03 PM
I remember when Mings signed on loan and some people weren't exactly enthusiastic about it.He turned out shit didn't he.
Drinkwater may well be crap but give him more than one game against one of the best teams in the world before you want to fuck him off.

Not remotely comparable. No evidence of Mings being a piss head at Bournemouth. Mings may have lacked a little match sharpness when he first came but clearly kept himself in shape and fit. Drinkwater evidently hasn't and as a result is a national laughing stock after his debut.

National laughing stock. Jesus Christ. You're talking about a country that has Boris Johnson as its prime minister. I think Danny Drinkwater can rest easily for a good few years before it gets to that.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 14, 2020, 10:52:35 PM
I remember when Mings signed on loan and some people weren't exactly enthusiastic about it.He turned out shit didn't he.
Drinkwater may well be crap but give him more than one game against one of the best teams in the world before you want to fuck him off.

Not remotely comparable. No evidence of Mings being a piss head at Bournemouth. Mings may have lacked a little match sharpness when he first came but clearly kept himself in shape and fit. Drinkwater evidently hasn't and as a result is a national laughing stock after his debut.

National laughing stock. Jesus Christ. You're talking about a country that has Boris Johnson as its prime minister. I think Danny Drinkwater can rest easily for a good few years before it gets to that.
At least Boris "gets his tackle in" - according to Carrie
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on January 14, 2020, 11:01:12 PM
I remember when Mings signed on loan and some people weren't exactly enthusiastic about it.He turned out shit didn't he.
Drinkwater may well be crap but give him more than one game against one of the best teams in the world before you want to fuck him off.

Not remotely comparable. No evidence of Mings being a piss head at Bournemouth. Mings may have lacked a little match sharpness when he first came but clearly kept himself in shape and fit. Drinkwater evidently hasn't and as a result is a national laughing stock after his debut.
You've misread my post.I wasn't comparing them as players or people, just showing the similar reaction to when both were signed on loan.Mings has been a good signing, Drinkwater may well turn out to be the opposite, nobody knows at this time.Except maybe you and some others seemingly.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2020, 03:17:25 AM
I remember when Mings signed on loan and some people weren't exactly enthusiastic about it.He turned out shit didn't he.
Drinkwater may well be crap but give him more than one game against one of the best teams in the world before you want to fuck him off.

Not remotely comparable. No evidence of Mings being a piss head at Bournemouth. Mings may have lacked a little match sharpness when he first came but clearly kept himself in shape and fit. Drinkwater evidently hasn't and as a result is a national laughing stock after his debut.

His debut was crap but in no way is he a national laughing stock.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 15, 2020, 05:54:10 AM
From what I heard and read I think there was a great deal of sympathy for him nationally because he'd been chucked into a very difficult situation thst he was totally unprepared for.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Villafirst on January 15, 2020, 06:02:01 AM
Big question is, why didn't Sean Dyche play him?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bad English on January 15, 2020, 06:07:10 AM
From what I heard and read I think there was a great deal of sympathy for him nationally because he'd been chucked into a very difficult situation thst he was totally unprepared for.
Can you take Johnson's incompetence to the politics thread please?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 15, 2020, 06:44:44 AM
Wasn't Stephen Ireland serial winner of Fans' Player of the Year at Citeh?  Before they turned into a big pile of money and were everybody's second favourite team.

He was.  And so was Richard Dunne.  Citeh fans among my acquaintances would always say that I was out of order when I expressed the opinion that they'd palmed us off with a show pony and a carthorse, whilst simultaneously luxuriating in the talent that their oil money was now buying meaning the likes of the Ireland and Dunne being deemed as not good enough.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 15, 2020, 08:04:23 AM
Big question is, why didn't Sean Dyche play him?

Because he thought he was shit?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clampy on January 15, 2020, 08:11:12 AM
Big question is, why didn't Sean Dyche play him?

Because he thought he was shit?

Then why did he sign him in the first place it that's the case?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 15, 2020, 08:43:16 AM
Big question is, why didn't Sean Dyche play him?

Because he thought he was shit?

Then why did he sign him in the first place it that's the case?

I dunno, maybe he thought he was coachable, would turn things around and wouldn't be a piss head?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Chris Smith on January 15, 2020, 09:20:31 AM
Big question is, why didn't Sean Dyche play him?

Because he thought he was shit?

Then why did he sign him in the first place it that's the case?

I dunno, maybe he thought he was coachable, would turn things around and wouldn't be a piss head?

Or maybe he was no good at playing the sub Pulis hoofball that Dyche prefers.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: old man villa fan on January 15, 2020, 09:25:20 AM
Perhaps he was just brought in for extra cover for Burnley's own players. Unless a player is significantly better than a club's own players, they tend not to get played (why give match practice to another club's player etc.). I know it's slightly different but we have found this with young players we have sent out on loan.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Luke8 on January 15, 2020, 09:26:52 AM
Iím not saying that he will be an amazing success but I wouldnít read too him not getting much game time at Burnley. They are a club/Dyche a manger who pretty much use the same 13/14 players all the time. They quite often make signings that donít seem to work or be able to get in their team. Ben Gibson was pretty highly rated when they signed him and the spent a reasonably amount of money on MatÍj Vydra as well and neither play at all regularly, for two examples just off the top of my head.

I understand their were mitigation circumstances with Drinkwater, but he was making their bench so it obviously wasnít bad enough for Dyche to bin him completely. I guess it comes down to how much you trust Smiths judgement regarding his character.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2020, 09:36:15 AM
Dyche's assessment of his character:

"I have a big respect for him and I like him as a player.

"He just hasnít had the pitch time.

"He has been a credit to himself with his professionalism, apart from the incident. He has looked after himself and tried to be part of the group. He has just not had the game time that he needs."
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 15, 2020, 09:37:37 AM
35 pages, quite a reaction!

Just imagining Drinkwater looking through the internet to gauge the reaction of his move, seeing 35 pages on here and thinking 'wow, i must be popular', then reading it and thinking 'oh, errr not quite'.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 15, 2020, 09:38:09 AM
35 pages, quite a reaction!

Just imagining Drinkwater looking through the internet to gauge the reaction of his move, seeing 35 pages on here and thinking 'wow, i must be popular', then reading it and thinking 'oh, errr not quite'.

Hopefully he knows not to click.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 15, 2020, 09:39:22 AM
Dyche's assessment of his character:

"I have a big respect for him and I like him as a player.

"He just hasnít had the pitch time.

"He has been a credit to himself with his professionalism, apart from the incident. He has looked after himself and tried to be part of the group. He has just not had the game time that he needs."

Nah, he didn't rate him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Des Little on January 15, 2020, 06:32:27 PM
He has not had the game time...because heís a bomb scare
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 15, 2020, 07:08:12 PM
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Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2020, 07:30:31 PM
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Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2020, 03:47:09 PM
Weíre not the fucking Danny Drinkwater reclamation project. If heís not for why the fuck are we playing him? Weíre garbage with match fit players we canít carry people as well
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ez on January 18, 2020, 04:01:25 PM
Who decided Drinkwater could do something for us, and where was he spotted proving this?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: frank black on January 18, 2020, 04:03:06 PM
Heís a sending off waiting to happen now? Will Deano keep him on second half?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 18, 2020, 05:00:53 PM
Excellent at pointing at others... reminds me of someone before MON era.... Kinsella?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 18, 2020, 05:02:38 PM
We were markedly better when he went off.

Fully expect him to start the next match, then.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2020, 05:02:40 PM
Heís up there with Kinsella and Leonhardsen for crap midfielders.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: OCD on January 18, 2020, 05:03:33 PM
I'm going to go against the grain and say that I've got a feeling he could be quite an important player once he's up to speed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Mellin on January 18, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
I'm going to go against the grain and say that I've got a feeling he could be quite an important player once he's up to speed.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2020, 05:19:46 PM
Based on what exactly? Nothing heís done in his first two games, thatís for sure. Can only be blind hope.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 18, 2020, 05:20:21 PM
He's a load of wank really isn't he.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 18, 2020, 05:20:33 PM
I'm going to go against the grain and say that I've got a feeling he could be quite an important player once he's up to speed.
Well he could be, yes, but how many more points are we going to drop while he's getting his workout?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: themossman on January 18, 2020, 05:24:27 PM
Him coming in for SJM is right up there with worldís baldest man Stephen Ireland replacing Milner on the not-fit-to-lace-boots-ometer.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2020, 05:25:45 PM
What is it that heís going to be good at when he gets up to speed?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Axl Rose on January 18, 2020, 05:26:10 PM
I hope he never plays for us again. Worse than Westwood.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Newby on January 18, 2020, 05:27:15 PM
I'm going to go against the grain and say that I've got a feeling he could be quite an important player once he's up to speed.
Well he could be, yes, but how many more points are we going to drop while he's getting his workout?

Why does it have to be Villa that experiments and gambles with these types of players? Premier Division experience, yes, but we needed someone who could hit the ground running, not someone WE needed to get up to speed and then hope he was going to turn out ok.  He might turn out ok, but has it come to this in order to bring players in?  Are we REALLY that desperate?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Pete3206 on January 18, 2020, 05:28:09 PM
I'm going to go against the grain and say that I've got a feeling he could be quite an important player once he's up to speed.

I disagree. He's a washed up has been, with no spine.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2020, 05:28:10 PM
Has he been up to speed in the last 2 years? Sorry but when you sign someone on loan you expect them to be coming in to make an immediate impact. We donít have time to bring him up to speed, if thereís actually a better level he can attain anymore anyway.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ez on January 18, 2020, 05:33:09 PM
I'm going to go against the grain and say that I've got a feeling he could be quite an important player once he's up to speed.

Let's just hope it's for us this season.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: London Villan on January 18, 2020, 06:34:42 PM
The thing is we are that desperate. We needed bodies in, early in the window.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 18, 2020, 06:39:24 PM
Improved second half with the team. Started winning the ball higher up the park. Better.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Des Little on January 18, 2020, 06:40:42 PM
Beast him in training, keep him on the bench for a few games, then only play him when heís on it.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 18, 2020, 06:46:05 PM
Improved second half with the team. Started winning the ball higher up the park. Better.

We improved greatly after he went off the pitch.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LukeJames on January 18, 2020, 06:55:00 PM
Improved second half with the team. Started winning the ball higher up the park. Better.

We improved greatly after he went off the pitch.

It was visibly clear how much better we looked when the changes were made.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on January 18, 2020, 06:59:04 PM
Disagree. We looked good second with him on. Luiz takes 20 yards extra to tackle and rescue the ball, as he's naive and bit too easily bypassed. Drinkwater, together with the wing backs being further up, grabbed territory.

The subs were positive and kept the momentum up.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 18, 2020, 07:45:39 PM
For sure he wasnít great but at least thought he gave it a go and didnít shirk ...unlike one or two others
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 18, 2020, 07:55:21 PM
He seems a long way off fitness wise, but it's clear there's some quality there.  At the moment I'm frustrated watching him, but have a feeling he may make a significant contribution in the latter part of the season
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: tomd2103 on January 18, 2020, 07:59:25 PM
For sure he wasnít great but at least thought he gave it a go and didnít shirk ...unlike one or two others

It's unfair to judge him too harshly at this point given his lack of game time over the past couple of years.  Not so unfair to judge those who made the decision to bring him here given those circumstances though.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 18, 2020, 08:06:36 PM
He seems a long way off fitness wise, but it's clear there's some quality there.  At the moment I'm frustrated watching him, but have a feeling he may make a significant contribution in the latter part of the season

I don't think he's a bad player, and the stuff about his attitude I think massively overblown.

My issue is I don't see what problem he's brought in to solve - I think you're right about him having quality and coming through stronger in a couple of months. But if we have all midfielders fit, is he better than Grealish in the middle? No. Displaces McGinn (back in those couple of months)? No. The missing holding player? Definitely not. Then you're onto replacing Luiz who is certainly worth a bench place as a minimum.

The only conclusion I can come to is that the idea is that he is cover for McGinn for two months (so will be fully fit pretty much the same time as McGinn) and drops Hourihane and Lansbury down a notch each. Just not sure how much of a point there is really.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 18, 2020, 08:13:38 PM
I can't say I've seen any quality from him so far.  I'm sure he wants to do well for us, for the sake of his future career if nothing else, but the most charitable thing I can say is that he looks a long way from his best.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on January 18, 2020, 08:26:10 PM
It is a move in the right direction if he kicked a few which reports suggest he did.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 18, 2020, 08:53:20 PM
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Excellent premonition there ........tumbleweed breezing past Drinkwater in midfield ;)
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: frank black on January 18, 2020, 08:55:09 PM
The journey to match fitness continues 😬
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2020, 09:19:57 PM
Iíd rather play Lansbury, Drinkwater has been that bad.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 18, 2020, 10:15:09 PM
The journey to match fitness continues 😬
I get that FB but until he is fit is it not like playing 10 men ? I find it incredible that at a such a crucial stage of the  season  we are placing so much reliance on a guy who is out of condition - that's not fair on the team or the individual .... not slagging the guy off but questioning the wisdom of recruiting an unfit player
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on January 19, 2020, 01:12:31 AM
Disagree. We looked good second with him on. Luiz takes 20 yards extra to tackle and rescue the ball, as he's naive and bit too easily bypassed. Drinkwater, together with the wing backs being further up, grabbed territory.

The subs were positive and kept the momentum up.

I'd agree with this. I think Drinkwater was noticeably higher up the pitch at the start of the 2nd half and the pressing that resulted pushed them deeper meaning that, when we made the changes, Vassilev kept the pressing up and Luiz had loads of space to do what we want him to do which is take a touch or 2 and spread the play (the best example being his excellent pass for the goal).
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: charleeco7 on January 19, 2020, 04:14:39 AM
Get him match fit and he will be a decent loan. We still need someone with a bit more about them in midfield though, we lack the physicality of a lot of the teams around us.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ROBBO on January 19, 2020, 05:18:40 AM
Maybe Drinkwater will come good but we cannot afford to have him getting match fit in the first team. There was a marked difference in the quality once he was replaced.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2020, 06:25:43 AM
There is only one way to get a player match fit.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2020, 10:49:39 AM
Iíd rather play Lansbury, Drinkwater has been that bad.
We know Lansbury will never make a significant contribution.  It's possible Drinkwater will once he's up to speed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: achilles on January 19, 2020, 10:57:01 AM
To be honest if he was match fit we probably wouldn't have got him, we have to be realistic!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on January 19, 2020, 10:58:51 AM
I think it is "match sharpness" rather than "match fit" that Drinkwater lacks.

I agree with others that we can't afford to carry someone at this point.  For me, Drinkwater needs to get his minutes as a sub and let's see where we are in a month/6 weeks.  That tackle yesterday summed up for me just how far away Drinkwater is. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on January 19, 2020, 11:09:12 AM
Crap first half better second.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2020, 11:13:37 AM
I think it is "match sharpness" rather than "match fit" that Drinkwater lacks.


Itís the same thing
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on January 19, 2020, 11:17:01 AM
I think it is "match sharpness" rather than "match fit" that Drinkwater lacks.


Itís the same thing

I've just double checked in the Collins English Dictionary and it really isn't.  "Fit" has a completely different meaning to "sharp".  Drinkwater could well be fit enough but he isn't sharp enough due to his complete lack of game time recently.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2020, 11:18:36 AM
I think it is "match sharpness" rather than "match fit" that Drinkwater lacks.


Itís the same thing

I've just double checked in the Collins English Dictionary and it really isn't.  "Fit" has a completely different meaning to "sharp".  Drinkwater could well be fit enough but he isn't sharp enough due to his complete lack of game time recently.
Oh dear, can you now look up the word ď pedanticĒ
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Chris Smith on January 19, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
Maybe Drinkwater will come good but we cannot afford to have him getting match fit in the first team. There was a marked difference in the quality once he was replaced.

With the only alternative being the U23s then first team football is the only way he is going to get that sharpness. His job as I see it us to do the dirty work that lets the others play a bit and he did that in the second half. There was a stat half way through it that they had not had a single shot in that period which is in part down to his improvement, along with others, and consequently forced them into changes.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 19, 2020, 11:19:53 AM
He didn't look fit enough.  Jogging around while the game carried on around him.  His first two games have been really, really poor. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 19, 2020, 11:22:20 AM
Thought he was slow and sloppy in the first half, but improved as the game went on, it's alarming that he has been starting, as it shows the lack of depth in the squad.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2020, 11:23:19 AM
Will he, should he play Tuesday?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: old man villa fan on January 19, 2020, 11:27:14 AM
I think it is "match sharpness" rather than "match fit" that Drinkwater lacks.


Itís the same thing

I've just double checked in the Collins English Dictionary and it really isn't.  "Fit" has a completely different meaning to "sharp".  Drinkwater could well be fit enough but he isn't sharp enough due to his complete lack of game time recently.
Oh dear, can you now look up the word ď pedanticĒ

There's 'fit' and 'match fit'.  I knew what you meant.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: dorsetvillian on January 19, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
I thought he had a decent game. Put his foot in, demanded more from those around him and didn't hide. He clattered a Brighton player early on which set the tone. We need more of that. Tired in second half which is understandable.  Needs more minutes. Could do with s
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: old man villa fan on January 19, 2020, 11:31:40 AM
I think he needs to start and be substituted as he tires.  We need his experience at the moment as we have been lacking that in the middle and it has showed.  It is painful watching him getting back up to speed but I think we need to persevere with him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 19, 2020, 11:33:23 AM
To be honest if he was match fit we probably wouldn't have got him, we have to be realistic!

But what's the end game, taking as granted Dean Smith's bullishness on the subject of game time being the only way to get him match fit.

With 15 games left do we risk playing someone who isn't ready for first team football in every single game, by the end of which he's up to speed just in time to go back to Chelsea and become unfit again? They'll never play him and we can't afford his wages, so I don't see how this situation works out well for any of the 3 parties.

It's a waste of fucking time and energy and worse yet, judging by his performances so far, a further risk to our chances of survival.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Pete3206 on January 19, 2020, 11:43:01 AM
Will he, should he play Tuesday?

Will? Probably
Should? No
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 19, 2020, 11:44:24 AM
I'd rate him about a 3 for Man City and a 4.5 for yesterday.  Let's face it, he's been poor, whatever the reasons.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Pete3206 on January 19, 2020, 12:16:40 PM
Nothing would please me more than for Drinkwater to come out against Watford and roll the clock back three years and put in a decent shift.

Alas, the man is clearly a busted flush and I'm annoyed that a player in such a poor condition has been brought to the club. The red flag had to be his near non contribution, to a not great Burnley team, containing the likes of Ashley Westwood.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Big Ming on January 19, 2020, 01:06:48 PM
Look forward to seeing what he can do when he is actually fit to play.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 19, 2020, 01:11:11 PM
Look forward to seeing what he can do when he is actually fit to play.

Around March time ? The only thing in Drinkys favour is none of our midfielders are performing consistently so he will keep getting chances.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 19, 2020, 01:12:57 PM
Not sure all the negativity helps really but hey that is what itís like these days.
Hope it works out for the guy.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on January 19, 2020, 01:18:05 PM
Kicking it way off target and leaps miles over the bar from Trezeguet excellent pull back ,in second half ,was nothing to do with his match fitness just ability and technics.
Positively i did see him play the vardy ball over the top but it didn't come off as think Brighton wise to it on occasion.
However with a new firing striker then Drinkwater asset of playing the pass he did so regularly in Leicester season and one Henderson sometimes has done for Liverpool has an asset.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: themossman on January 21, 2020, 10:29:17 PM
He was actually better tonight. Still not great and righty hooked but definitely better.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: CT Villan on January 21, 2020, 10:37:54 PM
I think he is going to be useful in a few weeks once he's fully match-fit. If anything, by starting the games now he is making Luiz prove himself, which seems to be having a positive affect.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 21, 2020, 10:37:58 PM
He was actually better tonight. Still not great and righty hooked but definitely better.

he could and should have been hooked at half time he was that poor.

Found a few decent passes early on but the pace was simply too much for him, the longer the first half went on the more he struggled.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2020, 10:40:57 PM
Unimpressed. He looksfinisherd to me. Slow poor concentration and takes too long on the ball. A liability
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: stevo_st on January 21, 2020, 10:43:16 PM
Thought he did alright, recycled the ball well at times, looked to get it out wide to Jack early.

Clearly not up to speed, but starting to have a bit of faith that he'll contribute in the run in.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 21, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
I thought he was much better this evening.

However, the difference with him off and Luiz further up front was clear.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: themossman on January 21, 2020, 10:44:46 PM
Thatís what I think too. Glimpses of a player who can contribute tonight.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: nigel on January 21, 2020, 10:45:47 PM
Thought he played pretty well this evening.
Always seemed to look for a positive pass. Some didnít come off, but at least he was giving it a go.

Could be good once fully match fit.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: London Villan on January 21, 2020, 11:31:30 PM
He did ok for 20-25mins and was then gone. That said he was acting as a leader and talking on the pitch, which few of our players do. 5 or 6 more games and he might be up to speed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: purpletrousers on January 22, 2020, 01:25:02 AM
Good signs. For one thing he was willing us forward and frustrated at too much backwards/sideways. Of course we need to be patient but it has been death by pointless passing at times.

If we do succeed in rehabilitating him to a high level, I hope we have a right to buy, no need to if we donít want but it otherwise could look great business for Chelsea.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sid1964 on January 22, 2020, 06:39:23 AM
I was again underwhelmed by his performance, did okay for 20 mins and then he just seemed to disappear out of the game and had no real influence in midfield, Marvelous seemed to be doing his running for him.

He really does need to work on his fitness, otherwise he will soon find himself on the bench.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2020, 07:27:10 AM
I thought he did ok, made himself available and tried to get the ball moving forward.
He is still not match fit but is improving each week.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on January 22, 2020, 07:31:28 AM
i was there yesterday and believe me, he is worse than an accident waiting to happen - he's an accident that has happened. Beyond awful and thank fuck Dean put Doug on when he did. I know people want to will the guy to be good but  for me, the most pointless loan decision since Spurs mugged us off with JJ.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bren'd on January 22, 2020, 07:47:24 AM
I disagree. He sprayed a few decent balls in good positions when he had time on the ball. Heís just very much off the pace of the game and needs time. Anyway, bringing on Luis in the 2nd half seems to be working well. Drinkwater is spent by then and Luis can give his all for the time heís on. He hasnít got 90 minutes in him either.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 22, 2020, 07:49:22 AM
I disagree. He sprayed a few decent balls in good positions when he had time on the ball. Heís just very much off the pace of the game and needs time. Anyway, bringing on Luis in the 2nd half seems to be working well. Drinkwater is spent by then and Luis can give his all for the time heís on. He hasnít got 90 minutes in him either.

Pretty much agree word for word
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2020, 07:56:31 AM
I thought he did ok as well.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 22, 2020, 08:20:05 AM
The one thing I will say about him is he isnít hiding.
He was always available for the ball during a tough first half and I think heís slowly getting to grips with it.
Some things came off for him and some didnít but he kept working so I see an improvement in his overall game.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: frank black on January 22, 2020, 08:57:50 AM
I witnessed some green shoots appearing with this performance. If he is totally over his past injuries then there is no reason why his match sharpness shouldnít return with some more game time. Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 22, 2020, 09:00:37 AM
The one thing I will say about him is he isnít hiding.
He was always available for the ball during a tough first half and I think heís slowly getting to grips with it.
Some things came off for him and some didnít but he kept working so I see an improvement in his overall game.

Agree with this. He will be an experienced asset as the season progresses and he becomes fitter, improves match by match
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on January 22, 2020, 10:12:43 AM
 :-X
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on January 22, 2020, 10:18:15 AM
I thought first half against Brighton he was awful and couldn't keep up with the game. But he's got better. Yesterday he was showing for the ball and using it well, although you could see the pace of the game was still too much for him at times. It seems to work at the moment giving him 50/60 mins and bringing Douglas on.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Pete3206 on January 22, 2020, 10:27:49 AM
Poor again for me.

He did at least try though, so it must be a lack of fitness. Question is, why so unfit? Lack of games alone doesn't excuse his condition.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 22, 2020, 10:32:15 AM
Poor again for me.

He did at least try though, so it must be a lack of fitness. Question is, why so unfit? Lack of games alone doesn't excuse his condition.

Agree with this. It's not for lack of trying but he just wasn't good. Don't see the improvements that people above are noting - he was slow, his tracking was poor, he gave the ball away a number of times. I think I saw him make one decent pass in the final third and that was the sum total of his contributions.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on January 22, 2020, 10:43:32 AM
Just looking a little sharper and much better in comparison to previous 2 matches
Nothing outstanding of course and still more Danny treadwater when in running.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on January 22, 2020, 12:33:39 PM
no where near good enough for me

Luiz makes mistakes and sometimes struggles adjusting to the pace of the premier league but is a lot better player and also has that touch of class about him at times that we need

Drinkwater is no more than a back up player for me and not even first choice for that
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Chris Smith on January 22, 2020, 12:52:42 PM
I thought he had a steady game. He always tried to make himself available for the ball and then move it quickly which is what I think he is being asked to do. Giving him an hour and the bringing on Luiz to exploit a tiring opposition has worked well in the last couple of games.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: HK Villan on January 22, 2020, 01:01:45 PM
It was a step up from his previous performances - let's hope that we continue to see improvement game by game.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2020, 05:07:33 PM
4 points from the last 2 games with the midfield looking much sturdier and Luiz able to come on and change the game twice. drinkwater might not be fit, and there's no way it's all on him, but him being there has improved us and right now that's all I ask for. I'd be happy with most of our team putting in anonymous 6-7 out of 10 performances (Like Drinky last night) if it allows the flair player like Jack to bring the magic. Some people will call us a 1man team but the truth is if you have a special talent like that everyone else has a job of making sure he's able to do his thing.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 22, 2020, 05:50:51 PM
The midfield hasn't really looked sturdy with him in it though.  We've had two poor first halves in a row, which we were lucky to go in only 1-0 down in both, with him playing.  Then when Drinkwater gets hooked, we look much better. If the issue is that Luiz is better as a sub, then starting Drinkwater isn't the answer.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2020, 06:00:28 PM
The midfield hasn't really looked sturdy with him in it though.  We've had two poor first halves in a row, which we were lucky to go in only 1-0 down in both, with him playing.  Then when Drinkwater gets hooked, we look much better. If the issue is that Luiz is better as a sub, then starting Drinkwater isn't the answer.

Right now it is, because the results have been decent and no one else (Conor or Lansbury being the alternatives) has looked good starting since McGinn got injured and we now look, in my opinion, to have much better shape. I'd also disagree that the first half last night was poor. I thought we looked decent but had no cutting edge and their thuggish breaking up of play (by kicking Jack in the air on rotation) was working to unsettle us. I don't think Drinkwater has played well but I do think we looked more structured last night than we were over christmas and I think his experience and talking has played a part in that.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on January 22, 2020, 06:57:20 PM
The midfield hasn't really looked sturdy with him in it though.  We've had two poor first halves in a row, which we were lucky to go in only 1-0 down in both, with him playing.  Then when Drinkwater gets hooked, we look much better. If the issue is that Luiz is better as a sub, then starting Drinkwater isn't the answer.

Absolutely
This tactic people talk of starting off with an inferior player in midfield hoping to keep the score down until you bring a better one on in the second half isnít a good one imo

why not just play your best players in their best positions from the start that might work
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2020, 06:58:13 PM
Was it him celebrating hitting the seats on the bench when we scored the winner?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: colin69 on January 22, 2020, 07:04:40 PM
Was much better last night imo. Still needs to improve more though, but hopefully he will.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 22, 2020, 07:05:32 PM
Was it him celebrating hitting the seats on the bench when we scored the winner?

Yeah
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2020, 07:20:39 PM
The midfield hasn't really looked sturdy with him in it though.  We've had two poor first halves in a row, which we were lucky to go in only 1-0 down in both, with him playing.  Then when Drinkwater gets hooked, we look much better. If the issue is that Luiz is better as a sub, then starting Drinkwater isn't the answer.

Absolutely
This tactic people talk of starting off with an inferior player in midfield hoping to keep the score down until you bring a better one on in the second half isnít a good one imo

why not just play your best players in their best positions from the start that might work

It's really not that simple though. Again I'm not saying drinkwater is the right player or that he's personally has played well but as a team I think we're starting to look better. Man City was clearly too soon to throw him in and we looked a mess and I'd say the hangover from that was a poor half at the weekend. Since then I think we've held our shape better and kept the ball better than we have for weeks and I'd be surprised if an experienced player in the middle nudging the team along in the right direction isn't at least part of that change. Maybe playing alongside someone like Drinkwater for a few months will help turn Nakamba and Luiz into the players they can become, and in turn improve us massively, I'm certainly willing to see if that happens so long as the results are going well.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on January 22, 2020, 11:31:35 PM
The midfield hasn't really looked sturdy with him in it though.  We've had two poor first halves in a row, which we were lucky to go in only 1-0 down in both, with him playing.  Then when Drinkwater gets hooked, we look much better. If the issue is that Luiz is better as a sub, then starting Drinkwater isn't the answer.

Absolutely
This tactic people talk of starting off with an inferior player in midfield hoping to keep the score down until you bring a better one on in the second half isnít a good one imo

why not just play your best players in their best positions from the start that might work

It's really not that simple though. Again I'm not saying drinkwater is the right player or that he's personally has played well but as a team I think we're starting to look better. Man City was clearly too soon to throw him in and we looked a mess and I'd say the hangover from that was a poor half at the weekend. Since then I think we've held our shape better and kept the ball better than we have for weeks and I'd be surprised if an experienced player in the middle nudging the team along in the right direction isn't at least part of that change. Maybe playing alongside someone like Drinkwater for a few months will help turn Nakamba and Luiz into the players they can become, and in turn improve us massively, I'm certainly willing to see if that happens so long as the results are going well.

Think youíll get your wish because heís been bought in and they will play him so hope your right

I have always advocated playing our best players in their best positions even fell out with a few on here last season when he opted for Whelan over McGinn in the derby

I donít think he is one of our best midfielders right now and we havenít really got a few months to see how it pans out but it looks like thatís the plan anyway

frankly I think Drinkwater was a mistake I canít pretend otherwise
Iíve never come on here and posted stuff I donít really mean but I will also hold my hands up if Iíve been wrong and I have been many times before

if he turns in a proper effective midfield performance I will honestly say,  and be very pleased to do so
but last night wasnít it
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2020, 11:58:23 PM
I think McGinn would be better at the same role that Drinkwater is there to fill but he's 2 months away from fitness and is still young himself so may benefit from having Drinkwater around the squad for a few months.

So from what we have available:
Luiz and Marv look wrong together because their inexperience shows, I rate both and think they'll prove to be good signings over the next 18months or so but right now they need an older head with them.
Hourihane is worth having around because he others a goal threat but I don't think he's good enough in open play to start games in a 2, which makes it difficult to fit him in.
Lansbury is a waste of space who we really should be moving on.

On that basis I can understand why he's playing Drinkwater to get him up to speed as quickly as possible. He's not the player I'd have gone for because I'd have liked someone with a bit more physicality to look after Jack a bit (N'zonzi would be great) but he's what we have and I think just saying he's shit and wishing he hadn't joined doesn't change the fact that he's probably the right choice to be starting games right now.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 23, 2020, 12:13:16 AM
I echo paul_e's sentiments. Our central midfield options are limited. The only thing that might change it as things stand is if Samatta's style allows us to play Luiz and Nakamba for 90 minutes. Even then, a lot of it will be up to Luiz himself, he needs to build himself into being that player.

I'm not even close to writing off Drinkwater yet.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Big Ming on January 23, 2020, 08:09:30 AM
He's got 10% to 20% less crap with each successive appearance.
 We may have a player by mid Feb?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: GarTomas on January 23, 2020, 08:25:07 AM
The way I see it heís offering more than Hourihane and Lansbury were which is why heís starting. I accept that he does offer the same set piece threat as Hourihane but I donít think we can afford the luxury of having Hourihane in the team for that alone as he offers nothing when we are out of possession.

With McGinn injured weíve seen that Luiz and Nakamaba as a two are still too raw and inexperienced so in thy respect itís an astute loan signing to get us through to the rest of the season.

We may not have been able to sign a better alternative, we may have targets for that position but Iím not sure signing another potential player like Luiz or Nakamba was the answer.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: nigel on January 23, 2020, 08:34:16 AM
I noticed a couple of times when Konsa and the Hause, took the ball upfield into the Watford half. Play broke down, Watford broke out. Both times it was Drinkwater who had stayed back and kept the formation until they got back.
Sometimes itís what you do without the ball that goes unnoticed.
I thought he did okay, and will get better
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 23, 2020, 01:47:46 PM
I clearly remember when Snodgrass first came to us  - he looked a stone over weight, ended up breathing out of his arse after 60 minutes and looked a bloody liability.

Once he got fitter and more importantly got his game legs back he became an integral part of the team that got to the play offs - lets support him and see what happens
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 23, 2020, 01:48:46 PM
Drinkwater has been brought in as cover for SJM. There is currently no viable, experienced, alternative in the current squad. I do think he is gradually getting fitter and sharper. It's the experience that is the most important, in my view, that we need more than anything, so I expect Drinkwater will start all the matches until SJM returns
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 23, 2020, 01:53:39 PM
As has been pointed out, Drinkwater has been signed to be cover for SJM.

He also allows for Lansbury to be sold and whilst DD is far from brilliant, he is likely to offer more for the rest of the season than will Lansbury (IMO). UTV
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 23, 2020, 02:06:08 PM
As has been pointed out, Drinkwater has been signed to be cover for SJM.

He also allows for Lansbury to be sold and whilst DD is far from brilliant, he is likely to offer more for the rest of the season than will Lansbury (IMO). UTV

The chance of us "selling" Henri Lansbury in any circumstance lies somewhere between slim and none
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 23, 2020, 02:15:38 PM
he gets a thumbs up from me just for that celebration . I want players like that in the team who care like that , was great to see  , it was the same thing I was doing at work .

He has looked crap but im hoping each game he gets better and gets back to the Leicester form.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2020, 02:35:28 PM
I listened to what Dean Smith said the other night about Drinkwater and Luiz. That Luiz has been a struggling with fatigue and is in large part why he started Drinkwater. It actually serves two purposes. It gets Drinkwater up to PL speed much faster than U23ís or off the bench. It gives Luiz that much more rest off the bench and we can see the impact heís made. So both should be able to contribute more in the second half of the season while we wait for McGinn to return. I donít think at this point anyone is suggesting Drinkwater to be a long term answer but Iíll be interested to see what heís like later in the campaign once he is fully fit. And heís certainly embraced being at the club by way of how passionately he celebrated the winner the other night.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2020, 04:09:01 PM
I listened to what Dean Smith said the other night about Drinkwater and Luiz. That Luiz has been a struggling a fit with fatigue and is in large part why he started Drinkwater. It actually serves two purposes. It gets Drinkwater up to PL speed much faster than U23ís or off the bench. It gives Luiz that much more rest off the bench and we can see the impact heís made. So both should be able to contribute more in the second half of the season while we wait for McGinn to return. I donít think at this point anyone is suggesting Drinkwater to be a long term answer but Iíll be interested to see what heís like later in the campaign once he is fully fit. And heís certainly embraced being at the club by way of how passionately he celebrated the winner the other night.

Exactly what I pointed out on Tuesday to those complaining about Drinkwater starting over Luiz.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: robleflaneur on January 23, 2020, 05:44:44 PM
The point about Nakamba and Luiz not being suited as a 2 was valid in the 433 but with wing backs we are more compact and the choice should be between Nakamba or Drinkwater.If Luiz struggles to last 90 then his replacement could be Hourihane or a forward  if we need to chase the game or the Nakamba/ Drinkwater option if we need to see out a game.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2020, 06:37:02 PM
I listened to what Dean Smith said the other night about Drinkwater and Luiz. That Luiz has been a struggling a fit with fatigue and is in large part why he started Drinkwater. It actually serves two purposes. It gets Drinkwater up to PL speed much faster than U23ís or off the bench. It gives Luiz that much more rest off the bench and we can see the impact heís made. So both should be able to contribute more in the second half of the season while we wait for McGinn to return. I donít think at this point anyone is suggesting Drinkwater to be a long term answer but Iíll be interested to see what heís like later in the campaign once he is fully fit. And heís certainly embraced being at the club by way of how passionately he celebrated the winner the other night.

Exactly what I pointed out on Tuesday to those complaining about Drinkwater starting over Luiz.

He also said that he took Drinkwater off early as ďit wasnít his gameĒ.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2020, 07:04:23 PM
I listened to what Dean Smith said the other night about Drinkwater and Luiz. That Luiz has been a struggling a fit with fatigue and is in large part why he started Drinkwater. It actually serves two purposes. It gets Drinkwater up to PL speed much faster than U23ís or off the bench. It gives Luiz that much more rest off the bench and we can see the impact heís made. So both should be able to contribute more in the second half of the season while we wait for McGinn to return. I donít think at this point anyone is suggesting Drinkwater to be a long term answer but Iíll be interested to see what heís like later in the campaign once he is fully fit. And heís certainly embraced being at the club by way of how passionately he celebrated the winner the other night.

Exactly what I pointed out on Tuesday to those complaining about Drinkwater starting over Luiz.

He also said that he took Drinkwater off early as ďit wasnít his gameĒ.

I pointed that out as well, but forgot to press 'post'.

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 25, 2020, 06:20:44 AM
I clearly remember when Snodgrass first came to us  - he looked a stone over weight, ended up breathing out of his arse after 60 minutes and looked a bloody liability.

Once he got fitter and more importantly got his game legs back he became an integral part of the team that got to the play offs - lets support him and see what happens

Heís quoted as saying he was always over weight at villa.  He blamed the Ginsters pies that he bought at service stations to/from training.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 27, 2020, 01:11:42 PM
I donít think at this point anyone is suggesting Drinkwater to be a long term answer but Iíll be interested to see what heís like later in the campaign once he is fully fit.

The problem with Drinkwater is that he's not a short term answer, i.e. someone to come straight in the team and do the business straight away to help keep us up / fill in adequately for McGinn.

If we were sitting comfortably mid table and they'd signed him precisely as a 'long term answer' i.e he's had a few years in the wilderness but he said that he wants to work with Terry and Smith etc and we feel that given time we can get him back to the player he was at Leicester, so could end up being as asset, i don't think so many people would have had the 'what the fuck' reaction.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 27, 2020, 02:28:55 PM
Smith obviously thinks heíll be contributing in weeks not months and obviously if he does get up to speed he could become an important player in the run in
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2020, 03:12:01 PM
I'm not sure how Drinkwater is supposed to be a replacement for McGinn anyway.  McGinn is box-to-box, trying to get into attacking positions and doing a bum roll and running at players.  None of that is Drinkwater's game at all.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 27, 2020, 03:29:56 PM
I'm not sure how Drinkwater is supposed to be a replacement for McGinn anyway.  McGinn is box-to-box, trying to get into attacking positions and doing a bum roll and running at players.  None of that is Drinkwater's game at all.

He's another midfielder. That's about it.

On another note; I'm going to try the bum roll at 5-a-side this evening.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 27, 2020, 03:33:23 PM
I'm not sure how Drinkwater is supposed to be a replacement for McGinn anyway.  McGinn is box-to-box, trying to get into attacking positions and doing a bum roll and running at players.  None of that is Drinkwater's game at all.

He's another midfielder. That's about it.

On another note; I'm going to try the bum roll at 5-a-side this evening.

Careful, you might pull
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on January 27, 2020, 03:53:28 PM
I'm not sure how Drinkwater is supposed to be a replacement for McGinn anyway.  McGinn is box-to-box, trying to get into attacking positions and doing a bum roll and running at players.  None of that is Drinkwater's game at all.

For me it's an experienced head replacement (I know McGinn is young but he's played a lot of games in British football (the style of game in scotland isn't all that dissimilar, just lower quality) and is a good role model for Luiz and Nakamba who are very new to the way football is played in this league. Drinkwater was signed for that experience more than anything. So long as the results are ok I think his impact is better measured in how he can advise those pair than in his own performances. As loans go it's not one I'd have made but I do see the sense in getting an experienced midfielder in.

In truth I think this is more what he was hoping Lansbury would bring so that's who I judge him against and, despite not being great, I already see him as an upgrade.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 27, 2020, 04:22:30 PM
I'm not sure how Drinkwater is supposed to be a replacement for McGinn anyway.  McGinn is box-to-box, trying to get into attacking positions and doing a bum roll and running at players.  None of that is Drinkwater's game at all.

He's another midfielder. That's about it.

On another note; I'm going to try the bum roll at 5-a-side this evening.

Careful, you might pull

Charmer ;-)
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 27, 2020, 05:01:04 PM
I'm not sure how Drinkwater is supposed to be a replacement for McGinn anyway.  McGinn is box-to-box, trying to get into attacking positions and doing a bum roll and running at players.  None of that is Drinkwater's game at all.

He's another midfielder. That's about it.

On another note; I'm going to try the bum roll at 5-a-side this evening.

Careful, you might pull
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A muscle
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2020, 05:23:18 PM
I'm not sure how Drinkwater is supposed to be a replacement for McGinn anyway.  McGinn is box-to-box, trying to get into attacking positions and doing a bum roll and running at players.  None of that is Drinkwater's game at all.

He's another midfielder. That's about it.

On another note; I'm going to try the bum roll at 5-a-side this evening.

I think I could manage the pressing your arse into the defender bit, a bit less the roll sideways and the sprint up field with the ball bit!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: adrenachrome on January 27, 2020, 06:26:06 PM
I'm not sure how Drinkwater is supposed to be a replacement for McGinn anyway.  McGinn is box-to-box, trying to get into attacking positions and doing a bum roll and running at players.  None of that is Drinkwater's game at all.

He's another midfielder. That's about it.

On another note; I'm going to try the bum roll at 5-a-side this evening.

Careful, you might pull
A muscle
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Saw Vardy tweek his glute in a recent game.

Not a pretty sight.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 28, 2020, 09:40:51 AM
I'm not sure how Drinkwater is supposed to be a replacement for McGinn anyway.  McGinn is box-to-box, trying to get into attacking positions and doing a bum roll and running at players.  None of that is Drinkwater's game at all.

He's not. And that's part of the reason why it makes zero sense in the situation we're in. It wouldn't make a lot of sense in any situation to be fair.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2020, 01:08:06 PM
I'm not sure how Drinkwater is supposed to be a replacement for McGinn anyway.  McGinn is box-to-box, trying to get into attacking positions and doing a bum roll and running at players.  None of that is Drinkwater's game at all.

He's another midfielder. That's about it.

On another note; I'm going to try the bum roll at 5-a-side this evening.

I think I could manage the pressing your arse into the defender bit, a bit less the roll sideways and the sprint up field with the ball bit!

You're not pressing my arse into anything....

I can roll quite well, as for spri... can't even say it never mind do it.

I did score with a nice bit of arse pressing to create space and a nifty back-heel into the corner last night mind.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: in exile on January 30, 2020, 09:31:43 AM
Tuesday night proved we don't need him
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2020, 09:43:52 AM
Tuesday night proved we don't need him

Bench ahead of Lansbury....maybe
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2020, 10:07:46 AM
Tuesday night proved we don't need him

Unless someone else gets injured or needs a rest. He adds depth and experience.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2020, 10:19:03 AM
He hasn't played for two years (other than very badly in a a handful of games for us and Burnley) so I think that experience card is being massively overplayed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2020, 10:22:25 AM
Tuesday night proved we don't need him
Absolutely.  If nobody gets injured, suspended, tired, or has a loss of form and at no point do we have a need for fresh legs or experience during the remaining games then certainly last night proved we don't need him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: in exile on January 30, 2020, 12:12:54 PM
Tuesday night proved we don't need him
Absolutely.  If nobody gets injured, suspended, tired, or has a loss of form and at no point do we have a need for fresh legs or experience during the remaining games then certainly last night proved we don't need him.
So pleased to see you agree Chris
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Big Ming on January 30, 2020, 12:31:30 PM
He might actually be getting up to speed of course. He was on an improving trend when last seen.

There must be a reason that Chelski paid £30M plus for him
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: olaftab on January 30, 2020, 12:33:03 PM
May be but other than man city game we have done quite well in games he has played. We need him as part of the squad,
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2020, 12:53:09 PM
May be but other than man city game we have done quite well in games he has played. We need him as part of the squad,

We were losing both games with him on the pitch.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: old man villa fan on January 30, 2020, 01:27:48 PM
Nakamba and Luiz will not last the season playing 90 minutes every game. We need someone to rotate with them.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Chris Smith on January 30, 2020, 01:32:26 PM
Tuesday night proved we don't need him

That was probably the first time Nakamba and Luiz have played well at the same time. To imagine that will continue and that neither will get injured seems fanciful to me.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: robbo1874 on January 30, 2020, 01:42:02 PM
Heíll be getting played a lot to get him up to match fitness. We donít have a lot of cover through the middle. Could be an important signing come the seasonís end.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 30, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
He’ll be getting played a lot to get him up to match fitness. We don’t have a lot of cover through the middle. Could be an important signing come the season’s end.

I agree
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 30, 2020, 02:00:44 PM
May be but other than man city game we have done quite well in games he has played. We need him as part of the squad,

Agree, we need experience and a decent depth in the squad. I actually agree with others when they say he is improving match by match.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2020, 02:08:22 PM
He hasn't had a good game yet, not even a half decent one.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 30, 2020, 02:15:49 PM
He hasn't had a good game yet, not even a half decent one.

You're not keen on him are ya
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on January 30, 2020, 02:17:08 PM
I thought he was truly awful against Brighton, but played OK against Watford. He was showing for the ball and moving it on intelligently. He plays the Ashley Westwood type role who for my sins I was a fan. Its a much harder role than it looks. He needs to get fit and up to speed, but I think we'll see a fair bit of him this season
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2020, 02:39:33 PM
He hasn't had a good game yet, not even a half decent one.
Yeah we know Risso. 

If you want to write him off fair enough, you may well be right.  But I'd rather give him chance to see if he can make a positive contribution.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2020, 02:47:20 PM
He hasn't had a good game yet, not even a half decent one.

You're not keen on him are ya

Nope, canít stand wasters like him. More interested in going out than his career, and I donít want to see the club suffer while he attempts to make up for two years on the lash. Heís shit.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 30, 2020, 03:05:48 PM
He hasn't had a good game yet, not even a half decent one.

You're not keen on him are ya

Nope, canít stand wasters like him. More interested in going out than his career, and I donít want to see the club suffer while he attempts to make up for two years on the lash. Heís shit.

Fair play, it's all about opinions. I'm sure time will tell
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2020, 08:07:39 PM
I thought he was truly awful against Brighton, but played OK against Watford. He was showing for the ball and moving it on intelligently. He plays the Ashley Westwood type role who for my sins I was a fan. Its a much harder role than it looks. He needs to get fit and up to speed, but I think we'll see a fair bit of him this season

Thought he was dreadful v Watford too. Could and should have been hooked at half time.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2020, 08:10:27 PM
He was just after, with Smith admitting "it wasn't his game."
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bad English on January 30, 2020, 09:55:35 PM
May be but other than man city game we have done quite well in games he has played. We need him as part of the squad,

We were losing both games with him on the pitch.
It's not as if he was on his Tod out there ;-)
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2020, 05:40:56 PM
Good grief.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 05:42:29 PM
Another tactical master class to start him. Brilliant move smith 👍
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 16, 2020, 05:44:08 PM
Wonder if there's something in the loan deal he has to start when fit?

He's had four weeks off given he missed the Bournemouth and Leicester games yet was again gassed long before the hour.

Surely it makes more sense brining him on last twenty minutes?

He just dosen't have the energy and mobility to play 90 minutes at this level anymore.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: CT on February 16, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
Can we just say it was a nice idea that hasn't worked.

It's like watching a grounded tug boat trying to turn around in the mud.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Fulford on February 16, 2020, 05:46:58 PM
Looks like someone who has just stumbled out of the pub.

Brilliant tactics by Smith to pick him ahead of Nakamba.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2020, 05:47:02 PM
Whatever made him the player he was at Leicester, that convinced Chelsea to part with £35 million (yes thatís right) he no longer has, no longer is and never again will be.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Smithy on February 16, 2020, 05:53:02 PM
I watched him a bit more closely today, expecting to see an improvement given he's had a month with us now, getting fit and up to speed.  Clearly he can play a bit with the ball, and can be very tidy in possession, but he is SO immobile without it.  His speed over the first 5 yards, especially when changing direction is shockingly poor.  I don't know if this is because his legs have gone, or if it's just something that's exposed in the way we play, but I can't believe he played centre-mid in a league winning side just a few years ago.

It makes me wonder just how good Kante must be.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ez on February 16, 2020, 05:56:29 PM
We took a punt on him but in our situation we really needed someone who could hit the ground running.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 16, 2020, 05:57:25 PM
We took a punt on him but in our situation we really needed someone who could hit the ground running.

Someone who could run would have been better.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 16, 2020, 05:59:27 PM
Looks like someone who has just stumbled out of the pub.

Brilliant tactics by Smith to pick him ahead of Nakamba.

It doesn't make your point any more valid because you post it on multiple threads
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: TheMalandro on February 16, 2020, 06:00:31 PM
We took a punt on him but in our situation we really needed someone who could hit the ground running.

We struggled with the combination of McGinn/Grealish/Luiz/Nakamba because none of them are competent as a Premier league defensive midfielder.

So we buy another. We needed a brute.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 06:05:39 PM
Wonder if there's something in the loan deal he has to start when fit?

He's had four weeks off given he missed the Bournemouth and Leicester games yet was again gassed long before the hour.

Surely it makes more sense brining him on last twenty minutes?

He just dosen't have the energy and mobility to play 90 minutes at this level anymore.

If we took him under these conditions i seriously do have soen reservations for the people running the club. The guys absolute garbage.he is finished
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 16, 2020, 06:13:22 PM
It seems very strange. I donít get how he starts. He wasnít what we needed
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 16, 2020, 06:14:47 PM
Andy Townsend on commentary was desperately trying to say something positive about Drinkwater but couldn't come up with anything.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 16, 2020, 06:18:55 PM
His 60 minutes today were bollocks. Just like he's been in every other game. He had very little to do with the loss in the end, but he certainly had nothing to do with any of our positive play when he was on the pitch either. He's essentially a big nervous waste of space in a position where we desperately need composure and strength. Of all the positions on the pitch, it's not somewhere you can afford to play someone who is both off the pace and devoid of all confidence.

Bergwein steaming past him like he was a mannequin summed up his contribution to the games he's featured in for Villa.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: placeforparks on February 16, 2020, 06:26:09 PM
i was reserving judgement until he'd had the opportunity to get fit...

absolute waster.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 16, 2020, 06:28:42 PM
he's turd - how is he getting in the team? frightening.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 16, 2020, 06:38:36 PM
He's terrible, a total liability, and it's painful watching him fail to get anywhere close to the pace of a game.  I'm sorry, but Smith has got this one badly wrong and we cannot afford the luxury of effectively playing with 10 men until he gets the hook.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ugo on February 16, 2020, 06:48:49 PM
I actually feel sorry for him. You can see he can read the game but his body just canít do it anymore. I was embarrassed for him a couple of times today and was very surprised he came out for the second half.

Whatever question it was, whoever came up with Danny Drinkwater as the answer should have a look at themselves.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 16, 2020, 06:52:21 PM
It was a fingers crossed signing, at best.  But it was immediately apparent that he was so far from being able to contribute that he shouldn't have been picked any more.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kieron on February 16, 2020, 06:52:54 PM
As soon as he receives the ball, the whole world slows down to 3 frames per second.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: KevinGage on February 16, 2020, 06:56:41 PM
Any half decent free agents still available in mid Feb?

Might be a stretch, I know. 

But can't be much worse than this arse. 

Maybe he'll do a Cleverley and come good in the final two months of the season.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 16, 2020, 06:57:54 PM
Terrible decision to bring him in, Nakamba offers so much more. Hopefully thatís the last weíll see of him but I wouldnít put money on it.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2020, 06:59:50 PM
An idiotic signing
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 07:03:21 PM
The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 16, 2020, 07:04:52 PM
The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 16, 2020, 07:11:25 PM
The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Good answer!!!! I hope we stay up, I hope we win the League Cup, I hope Villa fans can talk better to each other. I put on another post why we do we have to slag each other off. I posted something, and there was some spelling mistakes & other posters took the piss, ok Iím shit at spelling, but come on people!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 07:30:58 PM
The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Dont you own this site? Your not setting a very good example for yourself with pathetic responses like this for peoples opinions you dont agree with.

Poor manners for yourself
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 07:33:05 PM
The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Good answer!!!! I hope we stay up, I hope we win the League Cup, I hope Villa fans can talk better to each other. I put on another post why we do we have to slag each other off. I posted something, and there was some spelling mistakes & other posters took the piss, ok Iím shit at spelling, but come on people!

My typing isnt great either mate dont worry. Ill never take the piss out of someone for that
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 16, 2020, 07:33:36 PM


The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Dont you own this site? Your not setting a very good example for yourself with pathetic responses like this for peoples opinions you dont agree with.

Poor manners for yourself

I've managed to avoid setting a good example for thirty years and I don't intend to start now.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ugo on February 16, 2020, 07:41:00 PM
The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Good answer!!!! I hope we stay up, I hope we win the League Cup, I hope Villa fans can talk better to each other. I put on another post why we do we have to slag each other off. I posted something, and there was some spelling mistakes & other posters took the piss, ok Iím shit at spelling, but come on people!

My typing isnt great either mate dont worry. Ill never take the piss out of someone for that
This original post taken in isolation is a fair point which I agree with. However the massive over reaction and blame game of your first post in the post match thread makes me agree with Dave.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 16, 2020, 07:44:21 PM


The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Dont you own this site? Your not setting a very good example for yourself with pathetic responses like this for peoples opinions you dont agree with.

Poor manners for yourself

I've managed to avoid setting a good example for thirty years and I don't intend to start now.


The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Dont you own this site? Your not setting a very good example for yourself with pathetic responses like this for peoples opinions you dont agree with.

Poor manners for yourself

I've managed to avoid setting a good example for thirty years and I don't intend to start now.

Hmm, thatís an odd answer. Why wouldnít you want to set a good example? I would and I hope I do. But hey no one probably cares what I post. If you want to be argumentative, or ďnot set a good exampleĒ then thatís up to you 🤣
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: KRS on February 16, 2020, 07:57:42 PM
Itís really hard to believe or understand that Drinkwater was the best midfield option out there for us in the January transfer window. A brain dead signing at best by all involved.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on February 16, 2020, 08:03:02 PM
I thought he was pretty good with the ball, and pretty terrible without it. As I said to my erstwhile matchday companion, he looks like a 50 year old playing with kids. The body canít do what the mind wants to. His legs have gone and they donít look like coming back.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 16, 2020, 08:05:42 PM
I thought he recovered well after a dodgy start, but from the start of the second it was like he was playing with lead boots on. After a few games now and getting some match fitness, I just don't see the benefit.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 08:20:10 PM


The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Dont you own this site? Your not setting a very good example for yourself with pathetic responses like this for peoples opinions you dont agree with.

Poor manners for yourself

I've managed to avoid setting a good example for thirty years and I don't intend to start now.

Wow you sound like a bundle of joy.

Anyway i dont wish to engage in arguments. If you want to debate that by all means im happy to do so.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 16, 2020, 08:26:40 PM


The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Dont you own this site? Your not setting a very good example for yourself with pathetic responses like this for peoples opinions you dont agree with.

Poor manners for yourself

I've managed to avoid setting a good example for thirty years and I don't intend to start now.

Brilliant  8) must be the best reply thus far, 2020.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on February 16, 2020, 08:27:28 PM
Classic case of what booze does to your body.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 16, 2020, 08:33:03 PM


The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Dont you own this site? Your not setting a very good example for yourself with pathetic responses like this for peoples opinions you dont agree with.

Poor manners for yourself

I've managed to avoid setting a good example for thirty years and I don't intend to start now.

Brilliant  8) must be the best reply thus far, 2020.

Really, do you? I donít but hey there you go
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 08:54:48 PM


The foolish and idiotic decision of including him by smith makes me and ithers question whther Smith is cut out for this level.

We cant sack him now it tok late. We just gotta hope smith can turn this mess around

Give it a rest.

Dont you own this site? Your not setting a very good example for yourself with pathetic responses like this for peoples opinions you dont agree with.

Poor manners for yourself

I've managed to avoid setting a good example for thirty years and I don't intend to start now.

Brilliant  8) must be the best reply thus far, 2020.

On your own mate.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2020, 09:00:36 PM
He gave the ball away badly in the first couple of minutes when we were in a good attacking position. He was then generally quite tidy on the ball, but he is so slow and unfit that heís a liability without it. He also did very badly for their goal from the corner.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 16, 2020, 09:03:58 PM
First goal was a simple case of putting a big striker at front post and it would've been headed away no problem. Think back to Heskey/Carew always being in that position (Benteke wasn't quite as good.....)

Seems we put Targett there and he tried to reach but simply not tall enough and then it was just pinball.

Even then I don't think anyone expected a CB on the turn who hadn't scored since May 2017 to finish like that. 9/10 that flies miles over the bar.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: tomd2103 on February 16, 2020, 09:24:10 PM
I thought he was pretty good with the ball, and pretty terrible without it. As I said to my erstwhile matchday companion, he looks like a 50 year old playing with kids. The body canít do what the mind wants to. His legs have gone and they donít look like coming back.

Yep, looks like he is fighting against himself at times and even the simplest bits of play look difficult.  We really needed a strong addition in midfield in the window and sadly Drinkwater doesn't look like he is going to be that player.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 16, 2020, 09:45:50 PM
Still does not look fit enough which is a worry.
I wonder how he spent the winter break.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 09:47:47 PM
By the time he gets fit the season may be over. A very strange signing for me. Hurry back mr super John micginn this guy isnít fit to polish your boots
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on February 16, 2020, 09:59:41 PM
For me the biggest question mark against Dean Smith is the number of our acquisitions who have failed to deliver.  Of course none of that may be Smith's fault because we do not know what part he plays in player evaluation.  It is very odd that whoever does vet potential signings has come up with strikers as different as Wesley and Samatta.  One of whom looks all at sea and the other looks a very astute bit of business.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on February 16, 2020, 10:02:43 PM
Apologies that was intended for the DS thread.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 16, 2020, 10:05:55 PM
For me the biggest question mark against Dean Smith is the number of our acquisitions who have failed to deliver.  Of course none of that may be Smith's fault because we do not know what part he plays in player evaluation.  It is very odd that whoever does vet potential signings has come up with strikers as different as Wesley and Samatta.  One of whom looks all at sea and the other looks a very astute bit of business.

It happens - Sir Graham bought Dwight Yorke and Tony Cascarino, Brian Little bought Gareth Southgate and Carl Tiler, Ron Saunders in the space of twelve months paid record fees for David Geddis and Peter Withe.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on February 16, 2020, 10:22:26 PM
Fully understood though the Cascarino deal was a coin toss.  The point I am trying to make is that we do not know if Dean Smith has anything like the player acquisition authority that was enjoyed by Sir Graham, Sir Brian or Sir Ron. Has the placing of player buying in hands other than the team manager improved player quality consistency?  Cooks and broth.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 10:34:00 PM
b
Fully understood though the Cascarino deal was a coin toss.  The point I am trying to make is that we do not know if Dean Smith has anything like the player acquisition authority that was enjoyed by Sir Graham, Sir Brian or Sir Ron. Has the placing of player buying in hands other than the team manager improved player quality consistency?  Cooks and broth.

Smith doesnít look like the kind of manager who would tolerate players being signed without his consent.

Smith/purslow/Suso record£ is quite poor when you dissect it

Wesley 22m
Jota 4m
Engels 8m
Trez 12m
Kalinic 7m
Hause 2m

I think nakambaa d luiz have been good buys. Samatta too early. Mings and konsa both good I think as were Heaton and Reina.

I donít think el ghazi is good enough but I can see why we signed him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 16, 2020, 10:55:42 PM
b
Fully understood though the Cascarino deal was a coin toss.  The point I am trying to make is that we do not know if Dean Smith has anything like the player acquisition authority that was enjoyed by Sir Graham, Sir Brian or Sir Ron. Has the placing of player buying in hands other than the team manager improved player quality consistency?  Cooks and broth.

Smith doesnít look like the kind of manager who would tolerate players being signed without his consent.

Smith/purslow/Suso record£ is quite poor when you dissect it

Wesley 22m
Jota 4m
Engels 8m
Trez 12m
Kalinic 7m
Hause 2m

I think nakambaa d luiz have been good buys. Samatta too early. Mings and konsa both good I think as were Heaton and Reina.

I donít think el ghazi is good enough but I can see why we signed him.


Of the 18 players we've signed under the new set-up, you've only listed 6 buys you think are poor, one of whom was allegedly agreed before Smith took over.

Without getting into the ones I disagree with, I don't think that qualifies as 'quite poor' - I'd say 1 in every 3 signings not coming off would be more or less standard for most managers or dofs. Look at some of the duds Ferguson and Wenger signed over the years - for every Ronaldo there was a Kleberson.

For me, the main failing was that one of those midfield signings needed to be a defensive midfielder.

I think the only signings that can be truly agreed as a complete waste so far are Jota, Kalinic and Drinkwater; there are a lot who have shown potential in flashes but not been consistent enough and as such would be in the 'time will tell' category.

You've also missed out Guilbert, who if you are saying Nakamba and Luiz are good buys, has performed far more consistently than either of them and at £4.3m according to the internet, was a fantastic bit of business.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2020, 11:04:33 PM
And Matt Targett has grown into his role and isnít looking too bad. Of course it doesnít help that loads of players were just thrown together. These players if we stay up will be a year more experienced at this level and you would hope the manager would be too. The naivety we show is in large part down to experience or lack of. What I am having trouble with is Dean Smithís inability to adapt late in games and find a way through coaching and his tactics to close games out. Thatís inexcusable after 2/3 of the season.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 16, 2020, 11:05:17 PM
Fully understood though the Cascarino deal was a coin toss.  The point I am trying to make is that we do not know if Dean Smith has anything like the player acquisition authority that was enjoyed by Sir Graham, Sir Brian or Sir Ron. Has the placing of player buying in hands other than the team manager improved player quality consistency?  Cooks and broth.

I don't think many managers have these days. Football's a different world.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ROBBO on February 16, 2020, 11:35:24 PM
Drinkwater has slowed an already pedestrian midfield I wonder whether Smith has total control over team selection seeing that he doesn't seem to see what the rest of us see. I don't know whether Drinkwater is finished in the top division I would have to see him after a big pre season but he shouldn't be in a side that is fighting relegation.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: robbo1874 on February 17, 2020, 08:05:32 AM
I thought he was alright v Spurs. At least better than Iíve seen him previously for us- he does look to be improving. Blowing out his arse though when he got the hook, as BFR would say.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Monty on February 17, 2020, 08:10:56 AM
He started pretty badly, then had a spell in the first half where he looked decent, anticipating their attempts to counter, mopping up and helping us maintain the pressure. He faded badly again after that though, and in general looked clumsy, like his feet weren't quite obeying him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 08:13:35 AM
b
Fully understood though the Cascarino deal was a coin toss.  The point I am trying to make is that we do not know if Dean Smith has anything like the player acquisition authority that was enjoyed by Sir Graham, Sir Brian or Sir Ron. Has the placing of player buying in hands other than the team manager improved player quality consistency?  Cooks and broth.

Smith doesnít look like the kind of manager who would tolerate players being signed without his consent.

Smith/purslow/Suso record£ is quite poor when you dissect it

Wesley 22m
Jota 4m
Engels 8m
Trez 12m
Kalinic 7m
Hause 2m

I think nakambaa d luiz have been good buys. Samatta too early. Mings and konsa both good I think as were Heaton and Reina.

I donít think el ghazi is good enough but I can see why we signed him.


Of the 18 players we've signed under the new set-up, you've only listed 6 buys you think are poor, one of whom was allegedly agreed before Smith took over.

Without getting into the ones I disagree with, I don't think that qualifies as 'quite poor' - I'd say 1 in every 3 signings not coming off would be more or less standard for most managers or dofs. Look at some of the duds Ferguson and Wenger signed over the years - for every Ronaldo there was a Kleberson.

For me, the main failing was that one of those midfield signings needed to be a defensive midfielder.

I think the only signings that can be truly agreed as a complete waste so far are Jota, Kalinic and Drinkwater; there are a lot who have shown potential in flashes but not been consistent enough and as such would be in the 'time will tell' category.

You've also missed out Guilbert, who if you are saying Nakamba and Luiz are good buys, has performed far more consistently than either of them and at £4.3m according to the internet, was a fantastic bit of business.

Guilbert and targett i think have been good buys. The ones i have highlighted above i think have been poor buys. Drinkwater again i agree with you but i dont really want to mention him because he was always going to be a disaster signing. Not sure ehat the helm smith was thinking with this signing.

I think trez has been a very signing tbh. Adds very little to games and his decisoon making 8 times out of 10 is  very poor. Seems to only do well as a sub.when he starts he is generally crap. Samatta looks alot better than wesley and was half of the fee.

Jota was peanuts so cant classify him as a huge flop but i think players like hause el ghazi are not good enough for pp level. Could probably do a job as squad players but of you want tp push on in pl they are not good enough.

But it is what it is . I think if we do go down if we keep the likes of guilbert targett konsa and possibly engels (i think he would be good in chamoionship) defence will be good enough.heaton and reina id keep also.

Have to acceot that its likely mcginn mings and grealish will be sold of we go down. That should raise 150m (maybe more) so ffp wont be a worry. Tye worry is replacing them three
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on February 17, 2020, 08:27:16 AM
It is probably my age but I think things were less monumental error prone when transfers were handled by one person.  The nature of human intelligence dictates that one good brain works more effectively than several quite good brains combining.  Of course by "brain" and "intelligence" I include wisdom, experience, intuition and indefinable savvy but, I submit, all of those qualities function better inside one cranium.  What did Sir Graham first see in the lad on the beach in the Caribbean playing keepie uppie with a plastic ball?  Probably the huge smile.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: robbo1874 on February 17, 2020, 08:36:44 AM
He started pretty badly, then had a spell in the first half where he looked decent, anticipating their attempts to counter, mopping up and helping us maintain the pressure. He faded badly again after that though, and in general looked clumsy, like his feet weren't quite obeying him.
there was one occasion where we lost possession, the Spurs player took off and he just kind of gave up as he knew he had no chance of catching him
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on February 17, 2020, 09:13:18 AM
He has been the bad joke that the majority of people thought he would be. A desperate, cheap, punt, that was unlikely to and hasn't worked.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Mister E on February 17, 2020, 09:15:00 AM
He had a 30 minute period where he played well yesteday: saw the interceptions, made the early passes and saw the Samatta / AEG runs early too.
But he faded bacdly - must really have burned his body out on the lash for several months .....
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 17, 2020, 09:19:42 AM
He clearly needs a proper pre-season to get match fit.

Getting him up to fitness - or trying to - during a relegation run in is stupidity.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 17, 2020, 09:42:05 AM
Fully understood though the Cascarino deal was a coin toss.

I'm not sure about that Brian, Cascarino had a good record, was the sort of number 9 we were using at that time and was supposed to be the extra bit of quality to bring us the title in the last couple of months of 89-90. I think he was bought in as an improvement on Ian Olney, who was not a bad player but you wouldn't have thought the same level as Cascarino, until we saw Cascarino play a few games that is.

As for Drinkwater, i think Risso's comments sums it up exactly for me. I didn't think he was quite as bad as many have suggested yesterday but the fact that he can stand up straight makes him better than i thought he'd be. He certainly isn't up to the physical side but he did show that he could pass the ball yesterday. I would still play Nakamba over him though, who is younger and our own player, and im still struggling to get my head around why he's even here.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 09:42:26 AM
He clearly needs a proper pre-season to get match fit.

Getting him up to fitness - or trying to - during a relegation run in is stupidity.

Exactly yet smith keeps gambling by starting him. What do players like hourihane and lansbury think of this? A unfit player that isnt ours keeps getting picked ahead of them.

This is how you get dressing room unrest. Its dangerous and foolish from smith.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bren'd on February 17, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
He clearly needs a proper pre-season to get match fit.

Getting him up to fitness - or trying to - during a relegation run in is stupidity.

Exactly yet smith keeps gambling by starting him. What do players like hourihane and lansbury think of this? A unfit player that isnt ours keeps getting picked ahead of them.

This is how you get dressing room unrest. Its dangerous and foolish from smith.

No it isn't.  He watches them in training and knows which of the players make up the best of the midfield.  He was okay yesterday and in my mind a better option than Hourihane or Lansbury  who go missing too often.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2020, 09:57:51 AM
He clearly needs a proper pre-season to get match fit.

Getting him up to fitness - or trying to - during a relegation run in is stupidity.

Exactly yet smith keeps gambling by starting him. What do players like hourihane and lansbury think of this? A unfit player that isnt ours keeps getting picked ahead of them.

This is how you get dressing room unrest. Its dangerous and foolish from smith.

No it isn't.  He watches them in training and knows which of the players make up the best of the midfield.  He was okay yesterday and in my mind a better option than Hourihane or Lansbury  who go missing too often.

Jesus, if Drinkwater is the best we've got in training, then we're doomed this season.  He's so slow and unfit it's untrue.  The odd 4 yard pass of which Hourihane is just as capable in no way makes up for the fact that when running he looks like an arthritic 70 year old.  They outpaced us in midfield time and time again, so it's no surprise that they eventually won, even if it was gutting that it was in the 4th minute of injury time.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 17, 2020, 10:40:10 AM
b
Fully understood though the Cascarino deal was a coin toss.  The point I am trying to make is that we do not know if Dean Smith has anything like the player acquisition authority that was enjoyed by Sir Graham, Sir Brian or Sir Ron. Has the placing of player buying in hands other than the team manager improved player quality consistency?  Cooks and broth.

Smith doesnít look like the kind of manager who would tolerate players being signed without his consent.

Smith/purslow/Suso record£ is quite poor when you dissect it

Wesley 22m
Jota 4m
Engels 8m
Trez 12m
Kalinic 7m
Hause 2m

I think nakambaa d luiz have been good buys. Samatta too early. Mings and konsa both good I think as were Heaton and Reina.

I donít think el ghazi is good enough but I can see why we signed him.


Of the 18 players we've signed under the new set-up, you've only listed 6 buys you think are poor, one of whom was allegedly agreed before Smith took over.

Without getting into the ones I disagree with, I don't think that qualifies as 'quite poor' - I'd say 1 in every 3 signings not coming off would be more or less standard for most managers or dofs. Look at some of the duds Ferguson and Wenger signed over the years - for every Ronaldo there was a Kleberson.

For me, the main failing was that one of those midfield signings needed to be a defensive midfielder.

I think the only signings that can be truly agreed as a complete waste so far are Jota, Kalinic and Drinkwater; there are a lot who have shown potential in flashes but not been consistent enough and as such would be in the 'time will tell' category.

You've also missed out Guilbert, who if you are saying Nakamba and Luiz are good buys, has performed far more consistently than either of them and at £4.3m according to the internet, was a fantastic bit of business.

Guilbert and targett i think have been good buys. The ones i have highlighted above i think have been poor buys. Drinkwater again i agree with you but i dont really want to mention him because he was always going to be a disaster signing. Not sure ehat the helm smith was thinking with this signing.

I think trez has been a very signing tbh. Adds very little to games and his decisoon making 8 times out of 10 is  very poor. Seems to only do well as a sub.when he starts he is generally crap. Samatta looks alot better than wesley and was half of the fee.

Jota was peanuts so cant classify him as a huge flop but i think players like hause el ghazi are not good enough for pp level. Could probably do a job as squad players but of you want tp push on in pl they are not good enough.

But it is what it is . I think if we do go down if we keep the likes of guilbert targett konsa and possibly engels (i think he would be good in chamoionship) defence will be good enough.heaton and reina id keep also.

Have to acceot that its likely mcginn mings and grealish will be sold of we go down. That should raise 150m (maybe more) so ffp wont be a worry. Tye worry is replacing them three


You're missing my point. You said recruitment was very poor. You then named 12 out of the 18 signings as good buys, and of the remaining six said Jota was peanuts so doesn't matter and Hause is an ok squad player. If the majority of the signings were good buys, then how is our record of signings quite poor? You can't have it both ways.

For me, the issue was more the couple of positions we didn't manage to bring in - one defensive mid rather than one of the centre mids (to be honest, I thought that was why Nakamba had been signed when he came but he clearly isn't a defensive mid) and another striker from the start to take the pressure off Wesley. That would have given us a far better first half of the season I think. The players we have signed largely are not bad players.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 17, 2020, 10:48:24 AM
It's not like they've been outright disasters but too many of them just haven't been able to contribute anywhere near as much as we have needed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: robbo1874 on February 17, 2020, 10:59:33 AM
He clearly needs a proper pre-season to get match fit.

Getting him up to fitness - or trying to - during a relegation run in is stupidity.

Exactly yet smith keeps gambling by starting him. What do players like hourihane and lansbury think of this? A unfit player that isnt ours keeps getting picked ahead of them.

This is how you get dressing room unrest. Its dangerous and foolish from smith.

No it isn't.  He watches them in training and knows which of the players make up the best of the midfield.  He was okay yesterday and in my mind a better option than Hourihane or Lansbury  who go missing too often.
i suppose thatís the difference and why he gets the nod over them.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 17, 2020, 11:17:48 AM
At the moment, I'm struggling to reconcile what I'm seeing with a player instrumental in a recent League championship. As someone said earlier, here's hoping he does a Cleverley.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: andyh on February 17, 2020, 11:27:02 AM
I thought he was very 'in and out' yesterday.
He gave the ball away very cheaply twice in the first few minutes.
Then for 40 mins or so I thought he was quite tidy.
He was fairly mobile, did well breaking up their play and laid passed the ball quite quickly and accurately.

Then he seemed to hit the wall and was shit, he was subbed at the right time.

I know he's better than Lansbury.
I think he's better than Hourihane
But marvellous is much better than all of them.

   
       
 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: colin69 on February 17, 2020, 11:31:25 AM
Started poorly, got better as the first half went on but clearly not the answer.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on February 17, 2020, 11:32:34 AM
Clark W Griswold I should have explained what I meant about Tony Cascarino being a coin toss.  Legend has it, and what football fan lets actuality spoil a good legend, that Millwall said you can have either Tony Cascarino or Teddy Sheringham.  A coin was tossed at VP and we took Tony Cascarino.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: colin69 on February 17, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Worst coin toss ever. Should have just stuck with Ian Olney.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2020, 11:48:08 AM
Early on he wasn't too bad, hit some nice crisp passes to Jack to get him one on one with Aurier.

My problem is he last played v Watford in Mid January so nearly four weeks ago.

Had the winter break to fullly get up to speed yet he was still gassed after half an hour and just about made it to the hour mark before his annual sub off.

Why does he keep starting games? Surely if he's only effective for 30 minutes it would've made more sense to bring him on to see out games.

He looks like a player who hasn't played regularly in two and a half years.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2020, 11:53:37 AM
Dave has posted about what SGT said about the Cascarino transfer in the past

Bracketed stuff is mine, everything else is Sir Graham's own words.

"Doug suddenly tells me I've got £1 million to spend (which would otherwise have gone in corporation tax). This is what annoyed me; it was three weeks before the transfer deadline and now I've got this money. I'd got this settled group of lads and one or two were starting to show a bit of nerves and I had no forward cover so I went for Teddy Sheringham. I spoke to John Doherty (Millwall manager) and he didn't want to sell Sheringham but he said he might sell Cascarino. I wasn't sure about Tony but we needed forward so I told Doug what the situation was. He spoke to Reg Burr (Millwall chairman), and told me that there was now £1.4 million to spend. There's twelve days left to the deadline, we've got an FA Cup quarter final coming up and now we've got this money to spend.

"Doug goes to Reg Burr, fails to get Sheringham, and asked me what I valued Cascarino at. I said about £750,000 and Doug promptly pays Millwall £1.4 million.... Since then it's always been me who signed Cascarino for that amount. But of course it's him who signed Dwight Yorke."
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 12:19:38 PM
He clearly needs a proper pre-season to get match fit.

Getting him up to fitness - or trying to - during a relegation run in is stupidity.

Exactly yet smith keeps gambling by starting him. What do players like hourihane and lansbury think of this? A unfit player that isnt ours keeps getting picked ahead of them.

This is how you get dressing room unrest. Its dangerous and foolish from smith.

No it isn't.  He watches them in training and knows which of the players make up the best of the midfield.  He was okay yesterday and in my mind a better option than Hourihane or Lansbury  who go missing too often.

Are yoh having a laugh? Drinkwater performing better? Smiths picking him on reputation.  He has been absolutely abysmal in a his games for us.

Its not his fault its smith. Throwing him kn when he clearly isnt ready.  Hourihane  nakamamba and lansbury should all be ahead of him.

Like Risso said id be very worried  if he is the best performing in our training sessions
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 17, 2020, 12:22:14 PM
Martin Laurence
@martinlaurence7

30m
Danny Drinkwater has made five tackles in four Premier League appearances. He's been dribbled past 16 times...

For context, Conor Hourihane has been dribbled past 8 times in 16 appearances
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 17, 2020, 12:45:33 PM
For me the biggest question mark against Dean Smith is the number of our acquisitions who have failed to deliver.  Of course none of that may be Smith's fault because we do not know what part he plays in player evaluation.  It is very odd that whoever does vet potential signings has come up with strikers as different as Wesley and Samatta.  One of whom looks all at sea and the other looks a very astute bit of business.

It happens - Sir Graham bought Dwight Yorke and Tony Cascarino, Brian Little bought Gareth Southgate and Carl Tiler, Ron Saunders in the space of twelve months paid record fees for David Geddis and Peter Withe.

I understand the point being made but David Geddis's contribution to the Villa success in the late 70s early 80s is often underestimated, so not a good example to choose to make the point, in my view.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: JJ-AV on February 17, 2020, 12:47:49 PM
I think Drinkwater is so off the pace it's comical. He is blowing out of his arse after 30 minutes and then tries to avoid the ball and pointing elsewhere.

Couldn't believe he came out for the second half. It's not working and he needs to drop out of the side now.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2020, 12:53:12 PM
Why is he starting games then?

He's started every single game since he signed for which he's been available.

Given he spent the first half of the season at a club a little bit better and just bench warmed there I get the feeling it was part of the deal. Could be wrong.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 17, 2020, 01:02:13 PM
The Drinkwater that played for Leicester is several levels up on the Hourahane that played for us until the last few weeks of last season. The Hourahane that has played for us this season is miles better than the Drinkwater that has played for us this season. A typical Nakamba performance is also miles better than a typical Drinkwater performance in a Villa shirt but i'll admit that Drinkwater yesterday was certainly no worse than a Lansbury i've seen at any time this season.

I have seen that Cascarino story before but couldn't remember it exactly. Makes me laugh, shudder and want to cry all in equal measures.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2020, 01:05:53 PM
Every game he's started, we've lost the first half.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 17, 2020, 01:09:13 PM
He makes an already porous central midfield even more porous. The people who signed him up must have had a look at his fitness and still decided to sign him and start him ahead of Hourahane and Nakamba.
Totally senseless.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 17, 2020, 01:10:21 PM
The fact that we are helping this waster try to rejuvenate his career at the expense of our overall performances, and potentially our PL status, is galling.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on February 17, 2020, 01:50:34 PM
The only real alternatives are Nakamba and Luiz, both of which I think have got better recently.

Stay up and I think a priority will be a brute of a defensive midfielder, as I anticipate the plan will be to get back to 433.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2020, 02:06:44 PM
At Villa Park I would pick Hourihane over Drinkwater every single time. Itís clearly showing that he hasnít played in a good while. Not the answer during a relegation battle and certainly not the player to bring back in against a team like Spurs.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Pete3206 on February 17, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
Not fit, too slow and terrible first touch.

Not worked out and he must be dropped immediately.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on February 17, 2020, 02:52:53 PM
Danny Drinkwater has made 5 tackles in 4 games and been dribbled past 16 times.

Statue.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ktvillan on February 17, 2020, 03:33:27 PM
I thought he did ok in the first half yesterday, especially the first half an hour when we were playing well.  He was involved in some decent link up play for some of our better moves.  At half time someone still managed to attribute blame for both goals to him, and plenty were saying he was utter gash.  Admittedly he is slow and gets bypassed a bit too easily but I just think he should get some credit where it's due as well.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 17, 2020, 03:44:25 PM


I know it's not fashionable opinion, but after a slow start i thought he came into the game and did fine yesterday.

Well, until about 65 minutes when he was clearly blowing out his arse. We should've switched formation and gone for a three man midfield at that point IMHO
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 03:50:46 PM
Just seen this. Surely it cant be true? That truely is pathetic.


(https://i.ibb.co/rbNWhHg/20200217-154258.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rbNWhHg)
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: David_Nab on February 17, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Other point made is that Jose targeted him  and had players swarm him when he got near the ball as he identified him as the weak link

He very first touch of the ball was to give the ball away  ,he tries but you can see he is a player who needs a pre-season.Trying to get him up to speed this late in the season is just not going to work.We have essentially taken a mid season loan who will need the rest of the season to get fit ...

I
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on February 17, 2020, 04:03:10 PM
Danny Drinkwater has made 5 tackles in 4 games and been dribbled past 16 times.


I think that stat is milsleading.  He nicked the ball a good few times yesterday alone.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2020, 04:05:18 PM
I'd like to know if the stats back up his effectiveness, does anyone know any as it would be useful to know? I'm thinking something like the number of tackles he's made or even how often he gets dribbled past.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Nev on February 17, 2020, 04:34:00 PM
I have no issue with trying to improve what we have, and taking a punt with someone like Drinkwater but he strikes me as a less fit Hourihane without the goals and freekicks. He should be relegated to a bit part player, making up the numbers rather like this striker from Swansea.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 04:34:59 PM
Danny Drinkwater has made 5 tackles in 4 games and been dribbled past 16 times.


I think that stat is milsleading.  He nicked the ball a good few times yesterday alone.

Yeah im not sure how accurate that was. Surely it cant be that bad?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2020, 05:06:52 PM
The stats are right and seem shit, well the dribbled past one is shit, but they do need context. He averages 1.3 tackles per game which is 6th in the squad, Hourihane averages 0.6 pg and is one of the lowest of any midfielder in the division. Interceptions Drinkwater also averages 1.3 pg, 5th in the squad. Hourihane averages 0.3 pg.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on February 17, 2020, 05:10:28 PM
He's not called Connor Hologram for no reason.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 17, 2020, 05:33:48 PM
Danny Drinkwater has made 5 tackles in 4 games and been dribbled past 16 times.


I think that stat is milsleading.  He nicked the ball a good few times yesterday alone.

A good few times? I'm not so sure. I recall two occasions yesterday where he stole the ball, and he gave it away more than twice. I could be wrong
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on February 17, 2020, 05:49:05 PM
Iím in favour of loan players but I would prefer them to be an upgrade on the players we already have if they are to be first team starters which DD is not

He is a back up midfielder for me and no more
all this waiting for him to get match and then he becomes some powerhouse in the centre of the park is nonsense itís not going to happen
I just hope because he signed him Smith isnít stubborn enough to keep playing him out of some sense of trying to prove his bad decision right




Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 17, 2020, 05:51:26 PM
He's not called Connor Hologram for no reason.
Looool never heard that name before

To be fair to cinir though he can make a dofference alone on set pieces and does have a great finish on him
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2020, 10:36:06 PM
The only real alternatives are Nakamba and Luiz, both of which I think have got better recently.

Stay up and I think a priority will be a brute of a defensive midfielder, as I anticipate the plan will be to get back to 433.

Neither Luiz nor Nakamba were/are ready to be regular starters in a two man midfield at this level. Luiz in particular has the technical ability but not the physical presence nor application let's be honest. Gets caught ahead of the ball constantly leaving us wide open in midfield. Not sure about Nakamba, limited enough player from what I've seen and not mobile enough to cover for Luiz. Predictably Hourihane struggled in that role. Drinkwater the worst of the lot, well maybe on a par with Lansbury.

It's the biggest failing in the team, it's just so easy to get shots on our goal.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 17, 2020, 10:43:01 PM
Smith seems determined to pick him week after week regardless so let's hope he improves. Strange one yesterday as he looked decent at times while also looking so slow it was painful to watch and giving the ball away in horrendous positions.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: olaftab on February 17, 2020, 11:24:35 PM
The stats are right and seem shit, well the dribbled past one is shit, but they do need context. He averages 1.3 tackles per game which is 6th in the squad, Hourihane averages 0.6 pg and is one of the lowest of any midfielder in the division. Interceptions Drinkwater also averages 1.3 pg, 5th in the squad. Hourihane averages 0.3 pg.
OK but to view this in proper context have you got any data on Stewart Downing whilst he was ripping up oak trees down here?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: olaftab on February 17, 2020, 11:25:45 PM
And by the way I thought DD was ok yesterday.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: achilles on February 18, 2020, 12:48:43 PM
And by the way I thought DD was ok yesterday.

... if you like tortoises!

At least Villa will get him fit for the end of the season, ready for next season, whichever team he is playing for!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: jwarry on February 18, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
And by the way I thought DD was ok yesterday.

Despite his lack of confidence and touch, and continually giving the ball away, we seemed to function better as a team when he was on the park. Although Marv did ok and ran around a lot, Spurs seemed to get a grip once DD went off. Maybe Dean sees more than just how heís playing
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 18, 2020, 01:48:41 PM
He was quite shit but that is an improvement on the very shit or the extremely shit weíve seen previously.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2020, 02:40:19 PM
And by the way I thought DD was ok yesterday.

Despite his lack of confidence and touch, and continually giving the ball away, we seemed to function better as a team when he was on the park. Although Marv did ok and ran around a lot, Spurs seemed to get a grip once DD went off. Maybe Dean sees more than just how heís playing

What, like the goals we concede when he's on the pitch?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 18, 2020, 03:38:13 PM
I fear that there is almost hatred towards him from some on here and in the ground. I can see definite improvement in every game he is playing.

I for one am grateful that he is seemingly giving his all for the cause even when he is clearly not fully fit
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: richtheholtender on February 18, 2020, 04:34:38 PM
I fear that there is almost hatred towards him from some on here and in the ground. I can see definite improvement in every game he is playing.

I for one am grateful that he is seemingly giving his all for the cause even when he is clearly not fully fit



Agree completely. He seems to be being made a bit of a scapegoat at times.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 18, 2020, 04:38:08 PM
I don't see how anyone looked at our midfield before January, and 1. failed to notice how one paced it is, 2. thought adding a really, really slow midfielder to it was a good idea.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2020, 04:49:25 PM
...and not only slow, but miles away from being the required fitness as well.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on February 18, 2020, 05:06:45 PM
....and one with a track record of not being very good in the self discipline department.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ktvillan on February 18, 2020, 06:59:49 PM
Pre-judged, condemned and already written off by some based on his time at Burnley/Chelsea it seems to me.  I prefer to give the bloke at least a chance.  He hasn't been great but I don't think he's been as bad as some would have us believe, and it's not as if our other midfielders haven't been awful at times either.   
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on February 18, 2020, 07:07:19 PM
Heís had a chance and heís been slow, unfit and shit in every game.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: GarTomas on February 18, 2020, 07:20:52 PM
Heís better than Lansbury and Hourihane. Thatís why heís playing.

I think Nakamba and Luiz are struggling to do 90 minutes so thatís why heís starting for me.

Apart from when he gave the ball away I thought he was decent on Sunday.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ktvillan on February 18, 2020, 07:29:18 PM
Heís had a chance and heís been slow, unfit and shit in every game.

Well that's clearly your view Martin, and we're all entitled to one,   but as I said I don't think he's been anywhere near as bad as you and some others are making out.  Yes he's not up to speed but he was involved in some of our better moves in the first 30 minutes on Sunday before we collectively forgot how to defend again. Some people refuse to see or acknowledge that.  I still say there seems to be an element of scapegoating and pre-judgement in the criticism of him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 18, 2020, 07:30:39 PM
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Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Rigadon on February 18, 2020, 08:42:13 PM
I've got no idea how good he used to be as I only really watch Villa these days, so I'm judging him on what I see of him now rather than comparing him to his previous standard.  It's obvious that he is not fit enough to play, but is being played.  He is half a yard off the pace of it and everything appears last gasp, whether he's tackling, tracking a runner or running with the ball.  Maybe his legs have gone.  Either way, he is not adding anything good to the team at the moment.  I think it's harsh on Hourihane not to be getting on the pitch, but he appears to be a sacrifice to playing 5 at the back.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: themossman on February 18, 2020, 09:08:19 PM
Interesting analysis doing the rounds on his stats vs spurs. Good passing stats and terrible tackling and interception stats. Which would explain why I thought he did ok and others think very differently.

The closest thing we have to an effective cdm is marvelous and he really isnít one. Our biggest failure this season is the lack of a proper, big ugly bastard in the middle and SJM coming back wonít change that.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sonyhill on February 19, 2020, 11:03:47 AM
I honestly don't know how he is starting games to be honest.  Miles off the pace and pretty dire distribution.  He looks like he scuffs everything he kicks. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on February 19, 2020, 12:03:45 PM
Interesting analysis doing the rounds on his stats vs spurs. Good passing stats and terrible tackling and interception stats. Which would explain why I thought he did ok and others think very differently.

The closest thing we have to an effective cdm is marvelous and he really isnít one. Our biggest failure this season is the lack of a proper, big ugly bastard in the middle and SJM coming back wonít change that.

CDM is Surely exactly what Nakamba is
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 19, 2020, 01:20:34 PM
Heís better than Lansbury and Hourihane. Thatís why heís playing.

I think Nakamba and Luiz are struggling to do 90 minutes so thatís why heís starting for me.

Apart from when he gave the ball away I thought he was decent on Sunday.

Lansbury fair enough but not sure how he's been better than Hourahane? He's like an unfit version and without the set piece and long shot threat.

And what about Nakamba who sat on the bench whilst Drunkwanker started on Sunday? He's in the team because those picking it think he's going to recapture his old form eventually but i think anyone can see at the moment that he's miles off it and contributing to us losing games. Would be ok if we were mid table and bringing him on for 30 mins at the end of each game.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on February 19, 2020, 01:25:07 PM
Heís had a chance and heís been slow, unfit and shit in every game.

Well that's clearly your view Martin, and we're all entitled to one,   but as I said I don't think he's been anywhere near as bad as you and some others are making out.  Yes he's not up to speed but he was involved in some of our better moves in the first 30 minutes on Sunday before we collectively forgot how to defend again. Some people refuse to see or acknowledge that.  I still say there seems to be an element of scapegoating and pre-judgement in the criticism of him.
I agree.  Good in spells and poor at times, but not as bad as people are making out.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 19, 2020, 03:13:27 PM
Heís had a chance and heís been slow, unfit and shit in every game.

Well that's clearly your view Martin, and we're all entitled to one,   but as I said I don't think he's been anywhere near as bad as you and some others are making out.  Yes he's not up to speed but he was involved in some of our better moves in the first 30 minutes on Sunday before we collectively forgot how to defend again. Some people refuse to see or acknowledge that.  I still say there seems to be an element of scapegoating and pre-judgement in the criticism of him.
I agree.  Good in spells and poor at times, but not as bad as people are making out.

Agree, not as bad as some people make out.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: robbo1874 on February 19, 2020, 03:24:52 PM
...and not only slow, but miles away from being the required fitness as well.
his fitness looks to be improving. As I said on the post-match thread, he looked OK. Iíll admit he still looks off the prem pace though. Hopefully heís firing for the Southampton match.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on February 19, 2020, 04:03:58 PM
How is ďoff Prem paceĒ remotely acceptable for a team hoping to stay in the Premier League. Heís just made a team with no pace even slower.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 19, 2020, 07:23:06 PM
Played some good balls, but they ran past him a lot. Also seems to develop a 'shit-myself' position when he has to change his mind on the ball and can't get his legs to work on time!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LukeJames on February 19, 2020, 07:27:46 PM
Pre-judged, condemned and already written off by some based on his time at Burnley/Chelsea it seems to me.  I prefer to give the bloke at least a chance.  He hasn't been great

I fully agree
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 19, 2020, 07:31:46 PM
It isn't in the slightest acceptable...... and ridiculous recruitment like this is why we find ourselves in the position we are in.
There must have been other options out there - maybe younger players with something to prove and with optimum fitness levels offering the team 90 minutes of graft rather than an overweight has been who is blowing out of his arse after 20 minutes
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: CT on February 19, 2020, 07:43:09 PM
It isn't in the slightest acceptable...... and ridiculous recruitment like this is why we find ourselves in the position we are in.
There must have been other options out there - maybe younger players with something to prove and with optimum fitness levels offering the team 90 minutes of graft rather than an overweight has been who is blowing out of his arse after 20 minutes

I can't get my head around those saying "hopefully he'll be firing by the weekend".

He's been with us for 5 weeks? He's nowhere near. He won't be anywhere near on Saturday either if he plays.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: themossman on February 19, 2020, 07:46:44 PM
Interesting analysis doing the rounds on his stats vs spurs. Good passing stats and terrible tackling and interception stats. Which would explain why I thought he did ok and others think very differently.

The closest thing we have to an effective cdm is marvelous and he really isnít one. Our biggest failure this season is the lack of a proper, big ugly bastard in the middle and SJM coming back wonít change that.

CDM is Surely exactly what Nakamba is

I donít think heís especially effective in that role or heíd be picking himself given the lack of options. I think heís too inconsistent for that job, and more of a continuity player than an outright play spoiler.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 19, 2020, 08:45:18 PM
Djembax2 was no worse than Drinkwater
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Pete3206 on February 19, 2020, 10:08:46 PM
His legs have gone and he'll struggle to find another club next season.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on February 19, 2020, 10:19:43 PM
His legs have gone and he'll struggle to find another club next season.

I'd prefer if the Drinky experiment was put to an end. Let's just go with our own players to the end, rejig the formation if required, and see where it takes us. Smith is as stubborn as a mule unfortunately
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: themossman on February 19, 2020, 10:27:52 PM
In fairness to Ďdrinkyí starting him then replacing him with nakamba makes absolutely no sense. Starting him and bringing luiz on makes some sense.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 20, 2020, 11:01:06 AM
There is a good footballer in there , the problem is he is paralyzed.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 20, 2020, 11:46:43 AM
Djembax2 was no worse than Drinkwater

High praise indeed :-)
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Smithy on February 20, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
I genuinely don't remember seeing much of Drinkwater the year they won the league, my focus was totally at the other end of the table.  So has he lost a lot of pace? Or was he never particularly quick, and that failing was covered in midfield by Kante being lightning over 5 yards?

I'm just wondering if at his best he wasn't particularly mobile, and all we're missing is match sharpness,, or is he a shadow of who he was physically?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on February 20, 2020, 10:12:51 PM
Was never quick but didn't stop running and read the game well. I think the reading of the game is still there but he's not got the legs to get around at the minute.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: tomd2103 on February 21, 2020, 12:53:39 AM
How is ďoff Prem paceĒ remotely acceptable for a team hoping to stay in the Premier League. Heís just made a team with no pace even slower.

Still can't understand the logic of signing him really.  The fact that he couldn't get in a Burnley side that has hardly been pulling up trees this season should have been a massive clue. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2020, 01:19:04 AM
Signing him was bad enough.

Starting him in every single game he's been available for is real negligence.

I know Nakamba and Doug throw in random performances but they got through Leicester as the combination pretty o.k so don't really understand why we didn't go with that v Spurs.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 21, 2020, 09:10:42 AM
Signing him was bad enough.

Starting him in every single game he's been available for is real negligence.

I know Nakamba and Doug throw in random performances but they got through Leicester as the combination pretty o.k so don't really understand why we didn't go with that v Spurs.

I cant understand it myself. Conor lansbury luiz nakamba all ahear of him in my eyes. A complete liability when he plays
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 21, 2020, 11:52:15 AM
Not about Lansbury, but I get the point you are making
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on February 21, 2020, 12:25:10 PM
Signing him was bad enough.

Starting him in every single game he's been available for is real negligence.

I know Nakamba and Doug throw in random performances but they got through Leicester as the combination pretty o.k so don't really understand why we didn't go with that v Spurs.
The logic of what they are doing is understandable - get him up to speed and he could become extremely valuable in the run in.

Whether you agree with the logic or it's worth the short term pain is, of course, a different matter.

The jury's still out for me. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2020, 12:52:07 PM
Signing him was bad enough.

Starting him in every single game he's been available for is real negligence.

I know Nakamba and Doug throw in random performances but they got through Leicester as the combination pretty o.k so don't really understand why we didn't go with that v Spurs.
The logic of what they are doing is understandable - get him up to speed and he could become extremely valuable in the run in.

Whether you agree with the logic or it's worth the short term pain is, of course, a different matter.

The jury's still out for me. 

He flags badly after half an hour. Would rather bring him on as a sub on the hour mark.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clampy on February 21, 2020, 01:36:51 PM
The one issue i have is not the player himself, its giving him and hour and taking him off. I can see why he's doing it but it's a waste of a sub.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on February 21, 2020, 01:41:57 PM
With Super John McGinn due back in the not too distant future, I wonder whether he'll play much when he's 'match fit' anyway.

There have been some nice touches but he's just a liability.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2020, 07:20:30 PM
I genuinely don't remember seeing much of Drinkwater the year they won the league, my focus was totally at the other end of the table.  So has he lost a lot of pace? Or was he never particularly quick, and that failing was covered in midfield by Kante being lightning over 5 yards?

I'm just wondering if at his best he wasn't particularly mobile, and all we're missing is match sharpness,, or is he a shadow of who he was physically?

He used cover every blade of grass on the pitch from what I recall. Wasn't there a bit of a furore that he didn't make the England squad for those Euros that summer. It's fair to say those days are long past for Drinky and are never coming back. I expect his refuelling habits have put paid to that athleticism.

At his peak, he never struck me as the type of midfielder comfortable of sitting in front of a back four. So I've genuinely no idea why Smith thought he could do it for us. Another one of the umpteen reasons why he was a dreadful signing.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: paul_e on February 21, 2020, 09:40:13 PM
I'd say he's a similar type of player to Ryan Woods, not particularly defensive but happy to hold a position deep in midfield and use the extra yard of space that gives to try to pick incisive passes but combined with a work rate and desire to get involved that makes them busy and energetic. I think Smith saw the same and decided to try to replicate what Woods did for him at Brentford. What's causing  a problem is that, with players like that, if they lose that desire for a while it can be hard to get it back and his time as a bench player for Chelsea clearly had a big impact on his desire for the game. From what I've seen I think he is genuinely trying get back to what he was, but I have no idea if he'll get there this season. I don't think he was a particularly good signing but I can see why Smith thought it was worth a go given the restrictions we appear to have been working under in January.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on February 22, 2020, 09:09:23 AM
pointless signing and one that could well cost Dean his job if he keeps selecting him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: in exile on February 24, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
I wish some people would spell check posts
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on February 24, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
I wish some people would spell check posts

You missed a full-stop.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on February 24, 2020, 12:40:00 PM
I wish some people would spell check posts

You missed a full-stop.

Full stop doesn't have a dash in it.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: cdward on February 24, 2020, 12:46:23 PM
When is McGinn back, so we can close this thread.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on February 24, 2020, 04:05:23 PM
Confirmed as useless.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: themossman on February 24, 2020, 05:25:36 PM
I wish some people would spell check posts

You missed a full-stop.

Full stop doesn't have a dash in it.

You misspelled 'innit'.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Mister E on February 24, 2020, 05:28:58 PM
I wish some people would spell check posts

You missed a full-stop.

Full stop doesn't have a dash in it.

You misspelled 'innit'.
Full-stop has a hyphen innit.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on February 24, 2020, 05:32:41 PM
I wish some people would spell check posts

Why
Itís a football forum not an English class

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: in exile on February 25, 2020, 02:45:33 AM
I wish some people would spell check posts

Why
Itís a football forum not an English class
Because it gets on my tits.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on February 25, 2020, 10:47:08 AM
I wish some people would spell check posts

Why
Itís a football forum not an English class
Because it gets on my tits.

fair enough
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Bad English on February 25, 2020, 11:20:14 AM
I wish some people would spell check posts

Why
Itís a football forum not an English class
Because it gets on my tits.
Applause emoticon
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on February 25, 2020, 04:34:56 PM
I wish some people would spell check posts

Why
Itís a football forum not an English class
Because it gets on my tits.
Applause emoticon
Pain in the arse if you have to read it three times to have any idea what it's about!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2020, 05:27:12 PM
I wish some people would spell check posts

Why
Itís a football forum not an English class
Because it gets on my tits.

fair enough


This exchange typifies the beauty of H&V
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on February 27, 2020, 05:11:20 PM
I wish some people would spell check posts

You missed a full-stop.

Full stop doesn't have a dash in it.

haha, bollocks.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on February 29, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
The word "dash" is redundant in a thread about Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: rooboy316 on February 29, 2020, 11:35:32 AM
The word "dash" is redundant in a thread about Drinkwater.

Drinkwhiskey with a dash of water?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on March 09, 2020, 03:15:56 PM
I wonder what role DD will play in tonight's match ?
I think he would be keen to prove a point and he'll probably get another 60 minutes
I wouldn't start him myself
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 09, 2020, 03:55:03 PM
As you say, hopefully no role.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 09, 2020, 04:03:52 PM
If he does start, then his role to date has been to make whichever substitute replaces him look world class.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: manic-road on March 09, 2020, 05:21:29 PM
DD has improved game by game so far, wouldn't be surprised to see him start.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on March 09, 2020, 05:24:54 PM
I wonder what role DD will play in tonight's match ?
I think he would be keen to prove a point and he'll probably get another 60 minutes
I wouldn't start him myself

The same role he always plays, getting bypassed in midfield like me trying to catch Usain Bolt.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on March 09, 2020, 06:22:09 PM
Did you know Leicester have a chant for him to the tune of Mrs Robinson.

"Here's to you Danny Drinkwater,
Leicester loves you more than you will know,
woah -oh oh oohhhh"
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: kieron on March 09, 2020, 06:32:40 PM
DD has improved game by game so far, wouldn't be surprised to see him start.

However when you're starting from such a shit, extremely low bar, that game-by-game improvement doesn't count for much.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on March 09, 2020, 06:40:48 PM
DD has improved game by game so far, wouldn't be surprised to see him start.

However when you're starting from such a shit, extremely low bar, that game-by-game improvement doesn't count for much.

What low bar ? He started at Man utd
He's won the premier league won and the championship with Leicester
He's at Chelsea .
Played for England
Can't exactly say he hasn't got any pedigree or shit and actually game by game improvement is very telling because he's the most proven midfielder at the club so he's very much needed if he can improve .
Smith didn't sign him to bench him
I think you may mean he's looked unfit !
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 10, 2020, 11:11:12 PM
Some sort of dust up between him and Jota. Allegedly. Heís been such a solid addition to the club.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2020, 11:12:10 PM
Jota?! At least make it believable.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: David_Nab on March 10, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2020/03/10/exclusive-danny-drinkwaters-aston-villa-future-in-doubt-after-midfielder-involved-in-training-ground-bust-up/
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on March 10, 2020, 11:13:12 PM
Didnít we send Jota to Fulham?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 10, 2020, 11:14:06 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2020/03/10/exclusive-danny-drinkwaters-aston-villa-future-in-doubt-after-midfielder-involved-in-training-ground-bust-up/
Drinkwater v Jota.  That's the Battle of the Where Are They Now Files.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Newby on March 10, 2020, 11:19:13 PM
Shame they don't show the same levels of passion on the damn pitch.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2020, 11:20:02 PM
Haha bloody hell. Farcical.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: David_Nab on March 10, 2020, 11:21:32 PM
What where they fighting over ? Who is the slowest ? Who has the least upper body strength ?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2020, 11:28:32 PM
What where they fighting over ? Who is the slowest ? Who has the least upper body strength ?

Who is the biggest c***.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: David_Nab on March 10, 2020, 11:31:12 PM
What where they fighting over ? Who is the slowest ? Who has the least upper body strength ?

Who is the biggest c***.

Winner

Apparently he headbutted Jota
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on March 10, 2020, 11:32:24 PM
Itís not been the success we all predicted has it?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2020, 11:33:33 PM
Just an awful signing. Most of us on here and elsewhere predicted it when he was first linked.

Think the guy needs some help tbh if he's reacting to criticism in training by assaulting team mates.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on March 10, 2020, 11:35:53 PM
Did Jota not to go to Fulham? Did I dream that?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithe on March 10, 2020, 11:41:14 PM
I suppose the speed Drinkwater moves at, he could have threatened Jota on the phone, drew his his head back and Jota could have driven back from Fulham just in time to take one full in the Cannock.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on March 10, 2020, 11:44:36 PM
Some of these signings are really undermining Smith.
Who made this one Suso or did JT put a call into Frank?
You know JT did that with Kalou in the winter window calling him in for a favor to come to Villa.
Smith never had these issues at Walsall and Brentford.
He was left to get on with things not be undermined with these signings and changing of strategy in transfer policys.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 10, 2020, 11:45:09 PM
Didnít we send Jota to Fulham?

No. That was rumoured during the transfer window but didn't happen.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2020, 11:45:38 PM
Smith had less control of signings at Brentford.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2020, 11:46:38 PM
Apparently he headbutted Jota

First time he's won a header since joining us.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on March 10, 2020, 11:46:56 PM
Some sort of dust up between him and Jota. Allegedly. Heís been such a solid addition to the club.

Was it over who won the race.
Battle of the speed merchants !!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Vill I An on March 10, 2020, 11:48:54 PM
Smith had less control of signings at Brentford.
He had picks and they had a supportive strategy. What is happening to him here is upsetting !
He's as honest and villa as they come we won't get a manager like him in a long time if we get rid
Back him I say !
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2020, 11:50:10 PM
With McGinn coming back, this sounds a bit convenient to me. I've personally never seen a "Jota" and consider the stastical likelihood of Drinkwater keeping up with one and headbutting him to be highly unlikely.

McGinn is likely to be back, so it seems like a good time to cut his "replacement" loose.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: eamonn on March 11, 2020, 12:01:41 AM
Did Jota not to go to Fulham? Did I dream that?

No, he did go Fulham two months ago, assisted Kodjia's last goal (til Ghazi nicked it off him) and we haven't seen him since.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Pete3206 on March 11, 2020, 12:02:20 AM
I was another who thought Jota was out on loan.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 11, 2020, 12:18:26 AM
My dad thought we had loaned him to Brentford.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: phantom limb on March 11, 2020, 06:56:49 AM
If only weíd had some sort of premonition that heís both shit and a twat
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sid1964 on March 11, 2020, 07:08:36 AM
We wont be able to send him back as knowing Villa we have agreed to pay his wages until the end of the season - and there is no get out clause

Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Ads on March 11, 2020, 07:10:03 AM
There will always be conditions in a fixed term contract about Gross Misconduct.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 11, 2020, 07:16:38 AM
What a tw-t!! Get rid asap!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: andyh on March 11, 2020, 07:57:55 AM
'Drinky' being 'Drinky' eh.
Who'd have thought it ?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: RichardBatchelor on March 11, 2020, 08:05:30 AM
... and this story is in the Daily Mail ... must be true...
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2020, 08:24:45 AM
... and this story is in the Daily Mail ... must be true...

Started in the Express and Star who are a decent paper usually. Drinkwater is useless, and a c***. Terrible bit of business.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on March 11, 2020, 08:39:19 AM
... and this story is in the Daily Mail ... must be true...

Started in the Express and Star who are a decent paper usually. Drinkwater is useless, and a c***. Terrible bit of business.

100% and we've been saying it all along from his first performance.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Mister E on March 11, 2020, 08:45:23 AM
Some of these signings are really undermining Smith.
Who made this one Suso or did JT put a call into Frank?
You know JT did that with Kalou in the winter window calling him in for a favor to come to Villa.
Smith never had these issues at Walsall and Brentford.
He was left to get on with things not be undermined with these signings and changing of strategy in transfer policys.

And on the previous page of this post (57) you were defending Drinky ...
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on March 11, 2020, 08:57:33 AM
The signing and playing of Drinkwater was as clear a "fuck you" gesture by a club to its fans as you are ever likely to see.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Walmley_Villa on March 11, 2020, 08:59:05 AM
Whoever was responsible for his signing should be sacked. We needed to replace McGinns pace and engine and ended up with him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on March 11, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
And whoever signed Reina can go wirh him.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on March 11, 2020, 09:05:16 AM
absolute as the Swedes say - Villa lost me totally on this one and Baston wasn't far behind. The owners might as well have set fire to the loan fees.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: phantom limb on March 11, 2020, 09:37:12 AM
Thatís FFP for you I guess. All that was available to us were the cheap options, and they are cheap for a reason.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on March 11, 2020, 10:32:34 AM
I bet they aren't that cheap - Baston would have cost us over a million to buy out the contract. Complete madness.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on March 11, 2020, 10:34:56 AM
The signing and playing of Drinkwater was as clear a "fuck you" gesture by a club to its fans as you are ever likely to see.
No it wasn't, it was a cheap gamble that didn't pay off.

I was as angry about the Jan window business as everybody else, but it's clear we were walking an FFP tightrope.

I understand your frustration, but posts like this are just hyperbolic rubbish.

edited for spelling and in the hope of avoiding a punfest.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2020, 10:36:09 AM
I bet they aren't that cheap - Baston would have cost us over a million to buy out the contract. Complete madness.

He was a free transfer.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Brassneck on March 11, 2020, 10:46:34 AM
If there's a chance to bomb him then do so - He's way off the pace and SJM is ready (almost) to return.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: OCD on March 11, 2020, 11:29:32 AM
Huge disappointment. Had hoped he would offer us something.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on March 11, 2020, 11:44:00 AM
I thought we had bought Baston's contract out but even if we didn't it is till an appalling piece of business. He's being paid a lot of money, and he's not being played because he's shite. As i said elsewhere Ireland/Grant Holt Redux.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 11, 2020, 11:46:44 AM
We had to get a third striker in though.  Samatta and Davis alone was asking for trouble.  Okay, it's not the best signing but we left it very late.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 11, 2020, 11:48:01 AM
I keep forgetting about Baston.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on March 12, 2020, 02:29:00 PM
... and this story is in the Daily Mail ... must be true...

Confirmed by Dean Smith now.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: brian green on March 12, 2020, 03:14:17 PM
Chrisw1 you accuse me of writing hyperbolic rubbish.  How do you justify your claim that the Drinkwater fiasco was "cheap"?  It was as loaded with hyperbole as my (sincerely held) opinion was and remains.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: john e on March 12, 2020, 03:23:35 PM
The signing and playing of Drinkwater was as clear a "fuck you" gesture by a club to its fans as you are ever likely to see.
No it wasn't, it was a cheap gamble that didn't pay off.

I was as angry about the Jan window business as everybody else, but it's clear we were walking an FFP tightrope.

I understand your frustration, but posts like this are just hyperbolic rubbish.

edited for spelling and in the hope of avoiding a punfest.

90% on this site called it out at the time as being a massive mistake

if we can see it without any inside connections to the club why canít the so called expertís

thereís cheap mistakes and expensive mistakes
But they are all still mistakes

in this case a pretty obvious one
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on March 12, 2020, 03:31:06 PM
How is £60K a week cheap exactly?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 12, 2020, 03:33:35 PM
I'd send him back no matter what. A wanker.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 12, 2020, 03:35:56 PM
If money's so tight how is it acceptable to burn half a million quid plus on a guy who has been shit for about 250 of the 263 minutes he's played for us?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 12, 2020, 03:39:24 PM
How is £60K a week cheap exactly?
Itís a ridiculous amount of money for an unfit bloke with alcohol and a tendency towards violence.
There are plenty if these blokes in Weatherspoons for a lot less money.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on March 12, 2020, 04:02:12 PM
does anyone know what sort of contract Baston is on? Surely it was just a short term thing until the end of the season?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: aj2k77 on March 12, 2020, 04:05:50 PM
does anyone know what sort of contract Baston is on? Surely it was just a short term thing until the end of the season?

Short term but another abysmal signing. A record of 1 in 18 in the premier league. Whoever came up with Baston, Drinkwaster and Reina  needs the sack, simply not good enough.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Drummond on March 12, 2020, 04:59:53 PM
How is £60K a week cheap exactly?
Itís a ridiculous amount of money for an unfit bloke with alcohol and a tendency towards violence.
There are plenty if these blokes in Weatherspoons for a lot less money.

I'd have done it for half that and without the violence.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 12, 2020, 05:02:16 PM
Thatís FFP for you I guess. All that was available to us were the cheap options, and they are cheap for a reason.

Id prefer to have a wank then shag Susan Boyle ,do not see the point of just taking this crap especially when he wasnt cheap.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on March 13, 2020, 08:56:45 AM
there is only one way you can colour this - Drinky's recruitment was a disaster, end of.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Axl Rose on March 13, 2020, 11:46:21 AM
Thatís FFP for you I guess. All that was available to us were the cheap options, and they are cheap for a reason.

Id prefer to have a wank then shag Susan Boyle ,do not see the point of just taking this crap especially when he wasnt cheap.

Ha!
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on March 13, 2020, 12:26:31 PM
It was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pay off but I could see the logic.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: DB on March 13, 2020, 12:29:55 PM
It was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pay off but I could see the logic.

Which seems to be the whole recruitment approach since we got promoted
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 13, 2020, 12:31:37 PM
It was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pay off but I could see the logic.

What was the logic, he barely played under Burnley under the first half of the season and there were only just above us up to mid January.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LeeB on March 13, 2020, 12:31:47 PM
It was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pay off but I could see the logic.

Which seems to be the whole recruitment approach since we got promoted

As is any new signing, ever, for anyone really.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on March 13, 2020, 12:46:13 PM
It was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pay off but I could see the logic.

What was the logic, he barely played under Burnley under the first half of the season and there were only just above us up to mid January.
It's going over old ground but the logic was we were desperately short in midfield, up against an FFP wall and not finding it possible to get in anyone to supplement the team.  He was available, relatively cheap and as ever with these types of player the hope that we would be the ones to revive his potentional.

I wasn't particulalry happy about the signing, but I could see the reasons behind it.  It didn't work out, move on.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 13, 2020, 01:15:47 PM
It was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pay off but I could see the logic.

Which seems to be the whole recruitment approach since we got promoted

As is any new signing, ever, for anyone really.
But not all signings carry the same level of risk. 
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2020, 01:16:57 PM
It was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pay off but I could see the logic.

Which seems to be the whole recruitment approach since we got promoted

As is any new signing, ever, for anyone really.
But not all signings carry the same level of risk. 

It wasn't a very calculated gamble, because the upside of it not working meant not strengthening the midfield in any way.

That's a shit or bust gamble, not a calculated one.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: chrisw1 on March 13, 2020, 02:19:43 PM
It was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pay off but I could see the logic.

Which seems to be the whole recruitment approach since we got promoted

As is any new signing, ever, for anyone really.
But not all signings carry the same level of risk. 

It wasn't a very calculated gamble, because the upside of it not working meant not strengthening the midfield in any way.

That's a shit or bust gamble, not a calculated one.
I think we'd exhausted other potential options and it was pretty much down to him or nothing.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on March 13, 2020, 04:38:04 PM
well we recruited him and still got nothing, other than his obscene salary.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 13, 2020, 04:59:07 PM
I think we'd exhausted other potential options and it was pretty much down to him or nothing.
Had we?  How do you know?
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LeeB on March 13, 2020, 07:24:52 PM
It was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pay off but I could see the logic.

Which seems to be the whole recruitment approach since we got promoted

As is any new signing, ever, for anyone really.
But not all signings carry the same level of risk. 

No, this is true, and the education behind this particular decision looks a bit B-Tec.

But the point stands.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Newby on March 13, 2020, 07:29:17 PM
It was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pay off but I could see the logic.

Which seems to be the whole recruitment approach since we got promoted

As is any new signing, ever, for anyone really.
But not all signings carry the same level of risk. 

It wasn't a very calculated gamble, because the upside of it not working meant not strengthening the midfield in any way.

That's a shit or bust gamble, not a calculated one.
I think we'd exhausted other potential options and it was pretty much down to him or nothing.

Sorry Chris but that simply isn't true.  We signed Dany Dipshit on something like January 7th, not the 31st.  This was a shit signing, as was the Pepe Raina signing.  Neither have been playing but we gambled silly wages on two players who have played around 10 games between them in 18 months.  Plain crazy decision making.  If it costs the club our place in the Premier Division, or at least make a contribution to it, then I hope that the owners act accordingly against those decision makers.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: steamer on March 13, 2020, 09:49:58 PM
Good Point
I think that , there was so much criticism about lack of experience, shortage of strikers etc .
Whoever does the deals could not find anyone to fit the bill and hey ho
Drinky , previously in a title winning team, went for a fortune worth a punt, excuse the play on words.
Raina, obviously did not trust Nyland and steer as back up. first game I thought, good shot stopper, going up for the corner, nothing to lose, going out to take on a nippy winger and being stranded, I watched and could not believe what I saw. Nyland for rest of season.
Baston, body in if everyone else is injured.
Not a great  window.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2020, 10:03:49 PM
I just can't believe that Smith and Pitarch didn't think that his almost complete non-selection for Burnley wasn't even a small concern.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: LeeB on March 13, 2020, 10:54:47 PM
I just can't believe that Smith and Pitarch didn't think that his almost complete non-selection for Burnley wasn't even a small concern.

They wouldn't the first mugs to think they can turn water into wine with a player that's shot.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: Newby on March 13, 2020, 11:25:45 PM
I just can't believe that Smith and Pitarch didn't think that his almost complete non-selection for Burnley wasn't even a small concern.

They wouldn't the first mugs to think they can turn water into wine with a player that's shot.

More fool them Lee, it looks like it might cost them both a job.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: mr underhill on March 14, 2020, 08:46:30 AM
hopefully we won't now ever see this twat in a Villa shirt again.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: phantom limb on March 14, 2020, 09:49:16 AM
Agree, get rid asap. Didnít want him in the first place, heís been as crap as everyone thought he would be and head butting someone in training is just the icing on the steaming turd cake.
Title: Re: Danny Drinkwater (confirmed - on loan)
Post by: sid1964 on March 14, 2020, 10:42:05 AM
Why is he still here? At a normal place of work he would be gone