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Title: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on December 29, 2019, 01:48:34 PM
I discussed elsewhere that I think we've lost all semblance of coherence and structure both on and off the ball. There was no time between the ugliness of Norwich to Watford to change anything tactically.

For me, if I were Smith I'd see this as a must not lose, as if we do, I think he'll be sacked with the cup game giving two weeks before the next league fixture and enough time for Poch (it could happen!) or not Poch (boooo!) to add to the squad, given the new structure we have.

I think the absence of two leaders in McGinn and especially Mings has added to the bewildering muddle on the pitch.

For me I'd go 352 as it would let us keep a balance between how many men we commit forward, letting the full backs/wing backs push on without fear and also provide support up top;

Heaton

Hause
Mings
Konsa

Taylor
Grealish
Nkamba
Douglas
Guilbert


Kodjia
Wesley

If Davis was fit, I'd drop Wesley. I've gone with Douglas over Hourihane as Connor is seldom visible away from home, while Douglas has mistakes and can be lightweight, yet he is quick and picks a pass. As one of the two 8s with Grealish, I think attacking is more suited to him. He never hides at least.

The system gets Jack on the middle too.

Smith ought to be telling Nakamba to clear his mind and really identify to him his roll; you're to sit in a pocket of space no more than 15 yards in front of that defence. You compress space and when in possession you find Doug or Jack and if not, you hit it long into the channel, where one of the front two will be expecting it, along with the wing backs.

It's always been a hard place for us to go and the confidence and form being shot to pieces doesn't give much hope.

Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 29, 2019, 01:49:20 PM
2-0 Burnley
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on December 29, 2019, 01:50:26 PM
1-1
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on December 29, 2019, 01:50:39 PM
Do we have to play again?
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CT on December 29, 2019, 01:56:04 PM
If we just don't actually turn up, we only lose 3-0 right?
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 29, 2019, 01:58:39 PM
3-0 Burnley and B6 to implode
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 29, 2019, 02:06:26 PM
I really hope we win but I just can't see it 2-0 Burnley.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 29, 2019, 02:12:03 PM
They will score more than our nil.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: gpbarr on December 29, 2019, 02:13:59 PM
Exactly the game we don’t want and are woefully suited to - a small close ground, a scrappy opponent, cold.

3-0 loss
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2019, 02:21:07 PM
No wins here since the Abdication Crisis. I can't see that changing, I'll be honest.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 29, 2019, 02:24:21 PM
For Burnley read Sheffield United and read Watford. We know what they will do and they will fancy their chances of doing it effectively against us. Can we concentrate for 90 minutes given our current travails? Doubtful.

Oh and Burnley have an ex-Blues striker who hasn't scored for a few games who will no doubt fill his boots.

3-0 them.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 29, 2019, 02:25:13 PM
2-0
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: phantom limb on December 29, 2019, 02:28:03 PM
I’d be delighted with a point but I can’t see it, 3-0 Burnley
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 02:37:46 PM
It’s another 3 for the opposition I am afraid.
Could be carnage.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2019, 02:47:57 PM
Burnley 4 Us 1
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on December 29, 2019, 02:50:05 PM
Another painful afternoon I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on December 29, 2019, 02:54:56 PM
The last time we beat them at theirs was on 12/09/1936, the same day that Fred Perry beat Don Budge to become the first foreigner to win the US National Tennis Championships. 
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2019, 02:56:16 PM
They're pretty dominant in the air. I can only see a loss against these. We've been saying it for years now but we need to inject pace and presence in to the side in January. We have to many tiddy diddly players. After this abysmal run I can see him going for broke against Burnley and actually making a formation change, finally, with it being too late and too little time to get the players showing any semblance of understanding what they should be doing.

Unfortunately I can see this being Smith's last hurrah, which is a real shame. Jota can't play wide, Grealish can't play wide, Elmo can't play, Wesley doesn't deserve a start, Lansbury isn't good enough for a top Championship side never mind this division. Those should be the basics of which to start from which shows what a total mess the last team selection was. Muddled thinking, muddled execution. Keep things simple.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john2710 on December 29, 2019, 03:00:45 PM
We'll be out muscled from start to finish.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on December 29, 2019, 03:03:14 PM
We'll be out muscled from start to finish.

I would say out thought too, but I’m not sure there is much thinking going in at Villa.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ez on December 29, 2019, 03:09:25 PM
2-0 home win.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on December 29, 2019, 04:07:36 PM
I’m with Ads, go 352 with the personnel he lined up. We need to be tougher, mentally and physically...the big question is, can we? I really think this one is win or bust for Deano.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2019, 04:16:50 PM
Next stop on the Misery Express - Burnley.  They're not in great form with 5 losses in their last 7 games, but as ever, when a team really needs a win we're the masters at gifting it to them.  I've no idea what Mixmaster Smith will come up with as the latest combination in midfield, but whatever it is, it won't work.  3-0 again.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 29, 2019, 04:19:35 PM
We'll be out muscled from start to finish.

This. 3-0 Burnley.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: russon on December 29, 2019, 04:28:47 PM
We’ll lose 2-0 but Lansbury’s hair will be beautiful.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 29, 2019, 04:35:05 PM
It will be pretty much the same set up as every week with the usual sort of result.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Nev on December 29, 2019, 04:38:04 PM
Fuck it. Football always has the element to surprise so I'm going for......

0-1
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on December 29, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
Burnley must be wanking themselves silly waiting for this one.

Home win - comfortable 3-0 with Westwood dominating the midfield battle.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on December 29, 2019, 04:54:47 PM
Another wonderful football occasion in Lancashire.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: russon on December 29, 2019, 04:58:12 PM
Burnley must be wanking themselves silly waiting for this one.

Home win - comfortable 3-0 with Westwood dominating the midfield battle.
You can bet Westwood will deliver one of his floaty corners in front of the away end and after waiting thirty seconds for it to descend, Woods will nod it in unopposed
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 29, 2019, 05:10:36 PM
Can't see anything but a 2-0 defeat. Burnley will play a low block so we won't have the nous to break that down and Wood and Barnes upfront will bully our CBs like Deeney did yesterday.

Westwood and Phil Bardsley the goalscorers just to add to the tragic nature of it all.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on December 29, 2019, 05:42:57 PM
What is actually our best team?

Defence:
We’ll obviously need to shuffle the back 4 again, so Elmo, Taylor or Hause at LB? Hause has actually looked solid so I’d keep him as CB with Konsa or Engels...or switch to a 352 and play all three of them?

Midfield:
Play both Luiz and Marv (who have both been average at best all season) with Jack and Conor?
Do either Trez or AEG make the starting lineup to try and get some width despite how poor they have both been?
If we switch to 352, then Fred and Elmo occupy the wing back positions by default, leaving Luiz, Marv and Jack with no room for Conor.

Forwards:
Play JK alongside Wes with Jack supporting behind?

Edit:
My 352 is similarly to Ads in first post, but I don’t think Mings will be back and I’d have Elmo over Taylor.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on December 29, 2019, 06:00:08 PM
They will kick the crap out of us, play the long ball, out 'game manage' us, which is what Sean Dyche teams do.  Win or bust for me where Dean is concerned.  I never make score predictions generally as I like to say we lose every time and therefore, I'm always happy to be proven wrong.  But this one is a must win.  Dean has to pick a side that will go toe to toe with Burnley.  This is not a game for pansies or show ponies.  Pick a tough side, if we have one.  No Grealish, thanks to his stupidity, at a time when we need him most, certainly Dean does.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2019, 06:02:25 PM
Jack's not banned apparently.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on December 29, 2019, 06:16:01 PM
It’s 5 yellow cards before game 19 that gets you a one game ban, and yesterday was game 20 so he can’t be banned unless he reaches 10 yellow cards before the next deadline. Also worth noting that 3 of Jacks 5 yellow cards have been in the 90+ minutes.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 29, 2019, 06:39:27 PM
They will kick the crap out of us, play the long ball, out 'game manage' us, which is what Sean Dyche teams do.  Win or bust for me where Dean is concerned.  I never make score predictions generally as I like to say we lose every time and therefore, I'm always happy to be proven wrong.  But this one is a must win.  Dean has to pick a side that will go toe to toe with Burnley.  This is not a game for pansies or show ponies.  Pick a tough side, if we have one.  No Grealish, thanks to his stupidity, at a time when we need him most, certainly Dean does.

We have a worse disciplinary record than them, so I do doubt this bit. Nobody plays like that in the PL these days, do they?
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 29, 2019, 06:43:59 PM
Abandon the fixture altogether: it's our only hope!
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 29, 2019, 06:48:04 PM
I’ve been saying for a couple of weeks that 352 would suit the new full backs we bought, who in turn both look better going forward at the moment than El Ghazi and Trez. Saying that if Targetts done his hamstring he’ll be out.

I don’t want Smith sacked and I doubt any big name manager, e.g Poch or Benitez would fancy picking up a relegation scrap more than halfway through the season, granted Benitez did it at Newcastle but may not want to get his fingers burned again.

Anyway, digressing, I want Deano to succeed, but sticking to a failing formation every week with no flexibility is killing us. 352 would make us potentially more solid.

If he doesn’t do this, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Engels back for Konsa to try and combat Burnley’s aerial threat. Hause then moving to left back to replace Targett and hopefully Mings back. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Guilbert back but Elmo staying in the team wide right as extra protection. I think El Ghazi will have to come back in and if he doesn’t move jack back to the centre he’s lost the plot. Even if Kodjia is out of the club in the next week it’s now mad not to give him a game. After Saturday, Lansbury and Jota shouldn’t even be on the bench.

If he sticks with his formation, I wouldn’t be surprised to see;
Heaton
Guilbert
Engels
Mings
Hause
Nakamba
Elmo
Luiz
Wesley (should be Kodjia)
Grealish
El Ghazi

Form suggests we’ll lose comfortably, we just need a performance with a bit of heart and passion....and a bit of luck
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2019, 07:17:14 PM
This is a game where we definitely need to try the Christmas tree.









It's gotta be a better option having a tree up front instead of Wes.

/baddumtish
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ez on December 29, 2019, 07:28:54 PM
Apparantly Burnley have only had 1 shot on target in 3.5 hours of premier football. Anyone else think that will all change on New Year’s Day
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 29, 2019, 07:36:43 PM
4-4-2 and tell Wes to go out there and monster their defenders.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 29, 2019, 08:28:07 PM
Football can be funny but not this funny - an other wasted awayday
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 29, 2019, 08:40:25 PM
The last time we beat them at theirs was on 12/09/1936, the same day that Fred Perry beat Don Budge to become the first foreigner to win the US National Tennis Championships. 

28 visits to Turf Moor in league and cup without a single victory.

https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Burnley/

https://www.11v11.com/matches/burnley-v-aston-villa-12-september-1936-102319/

Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 29, 2019, 08:43:51 PM
The last time we beat them at theirs was on 12/09/1936, the same day that Fred Perry beat Don Budge to become the first foreigner to win the US National Tennis Championships. 

28 visits to Turf Moor in league and cup without a single victory.
That is an incredible stat .......and posted by a former Burnley legend ?
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LukeJames on December 29, 2019, 08:45:50 PM
Ive only been there once, 3-1 cup defeat. Its grim.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on December 29, 2019, 08:46:09 PM
I remember looking at the stat when we played there in the MON years and thinking surely we can’t let this go much further. Then again, it’s the Villa....
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 29, 2019, 08:57:01 PM
This is a game where we definitely need to try the Christmas tree.









It's gotta be a better option having a tree up front instead of Wes.

/baddumtish

The City fans will never mock when they remember Spruce Rioch.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 29, 2019, 08:59:13 PM
Can’t wait for Jay Rod to score the winner
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 09:01:42 PM
Can’t wait for Jay Rod to score the winner
With ear cupping celebration.
Just like you new that bluenose twat would score for Watford.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: passport1 on December 29, 2019, 11:10:57 PM
I expect it to be  Smiths Hull away game.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 29, 2019, 11:16:40 PM
This is a game where we definitely need to try the Christmas tree.









It's gotta be a better option having a tree up front instead of Wes.

/baddumtish

The City fans will never mock when they remember Spruce Rioch.
That's not fir
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on December 30, 2019, 12:33:30 AM
A heavy defeat leading to a Unhappy New Year for the early rising travelling Contingent

Smith to be sacked a couple of days after, JT to step in as interim Head coach with the chance to take the position on a  full time basis if results improve
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 30, 2019, 12:47:54 AM
Can’t wait for Jay Rod to score the winner

He seems to be the new Shane Long.

Scores and when it happens it shouldn't be allowed like the handball last season. Also dived for a penalty when he played for Southampton.

Burnley use him as impact sub.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 30, 2019, 01:08:41 AM
He scored with his face recently, last-minute against Bournemouth I think. He'll probably bang one in off his nuts tomorrow just to truly take the piss.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on December 30, 2019, 01:34:30 AM
We will need a massive transformation, bordering on miraculous, from our recent performance.

Stranger things have happened. I will bet on a win, as I have been relentlessly cursed his year. We do what we can to aid the cause.   
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: remy on December 30, 2019, 01:46:41 AM
We all want Dean to turn it around but he doesn’t help himself.

1-0 loss will mean they’re still unsure about sacking him
2-0 loss its VAR’s fault and We should of / could of etc. They’ll give him end of jan
3-0 loss and they’ll wait to see what vegetable gets chucked then sacked
4-0 loss and sacked thurs morning
5-0 loss and sacked weds evening
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on December 30, 2019, 02:01:04 AM
Kodja won't play because he will be one going and they won't want him getting an injury. Smith will pick the same set up with Big Wes all on his ownsome.
Conner to come on as a sub because that's the only time he plays well. Boooooooo.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on December 30, 2019, 06:03:27 AM
It’ll be Sheffield Utd and Watford mark III. The exact opponents that we shrink against. We’ll start brightly and get an early chance and not take it,  they’ll then gradually impose themselves on a scrappy game and ride out 2-0 winners thanks at a defensive mistake or two.

It’s getting so utterly predictable it’s pathetic.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on December 30, 2019, 06:57:21 AM
Can’t wait for Jay Rod to score the winner
With ear cupping celebration.
Just like you new that bluenose twat would score for Watford.

I hate deeney. The first goal was a complete and utter fluke. One of the jammiest goals you will see and the other was a pen. Wiat till jan when mings is back you wont have it so easy
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Border villan on December 30, 2019, 07:55:01 AM
This is a game where we definitely need to try the Christmas tree.









It's gotta be a better option having a tree up front instead of Wes.

/baddumtish

The City fans will never mock when they remember Spruce Rioch.
That's not fir

Not sure one tree will be enough ............

(Wait for it) .........

We may need to branch out.     BOOM
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mr underhill on December 30, 2019, 07:57:50 AM
we will not win and it will, or should be, the end of Dean.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on December 30, 2019, 08:22:53 AM
If I’ve got to get up at shit o’clock on New Years Day to travel to bloody Burnley, I’ll be fooked if I’m going to join the nego brigade.

A nervy but much needed away win and the revival starts here. Up the effin Villa!
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ez on December 30, 2019, 09:14:54 AM
Can’t wait for Jay Rod to score the winner
With ear cupping celebration.
Just like you new that bluenose twat would score for Watford.

I hate deeney. The first goal was a complete and utter fluke. One of the jammiest goals you will see and the other was a pen. Wiat till jan when mings is back you wont have it so easy

Seems seemed and Jack are mates. Theres instagram of deeney getting jacks shirt after the game.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on December 30, 2019, 09:53:08 AM
Wait till Jan when Mings is back you wont have it so easy
I hope Mings will have cut out the fannying about that was creeping into his game.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: exigo on December 30, 2019, 11:00:40 AM
Only the third game I'll have missed all season, so no doubt it will be a brilliant, free-flowing goal-fest of an away win.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mallo on December 30, 2019, 01:36:09 PM
Bullied, and beaten.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on December 30, 2019, 01:47:23 PM
El Ghazi normally comes back better after being dropped or bollocked, we will hopefully have Mings back, Grealish isn't suspended (?), Hause can move to left back, all reasons for positivity.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on December 30, 2019, 02:57:02 PM
Narrow defeat. Burnley don't score many but they don't concede many either. At home they usually manage to get a win against most of the teams around them or lower in the table.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on December 30, 2019, 04:36:51 PM
I think we scrape a draw.  0.0
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: levico on December 30, 2019, 05:52:32 PM
Same old same old.

You keep battering your head against a wall, you keep getting a headache.

4-0 to the mediocre but properly coached side in claret and blue.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 30, 2019, 05:58:23 PM


1-3

No idea how other than the team might finally pull it's collective finger out it's arse and put a shift in
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on December 30, 2019, 06:05:50 PM


1-3

No idea how other than the team might finally pull it's collective finger out it's arse and put a shift in

Think the same. I think there will be a reaction after the shit show at Watford.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 30, 2019, 06:23:01 PM
0-0
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Allan C on December 30, 2019, 06:28:11 PM
I’m thinking 0-2 to Villa. Don’t know why but I just think Watford was the bottom. This will be the start of a comeback
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 30, 2019, 07:37:19 PM
I’m thinking 0-2 to Villa. Don’t know why but I just think Watford was the bottom. This will be the start of a comeback

Oh McGrath Allan. Why do you do it to yourself?
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2019, 07:54:04 PM
Same old same old.

You keep battering your head against a wall, you keep getting a headache.

4-0 to the mediocre but properly coached side in claret and blue.

That's optimistic. I think we'll only get 3. 😉
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 30, 2019, 07:54:33 PM
Ha!
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 30, 2019, 08:19:44 PM
Will it be the shocking Green kit?
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 30, 2019, 08:36:30 PM
                                     Heaton
                   Fred            mings              Hause

         Elmo          Luiz        Jack         Marvelous          Elgazi
     
                          Wes                      Kodja
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 30, 2019, 08:37:02 PM
If there isn’t a reaction after the shit show that was Watford then Smith should go of his own accord.

1-3 please.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 30, 2019, 09:32:33 PM
Will it be the shocking Green kit?

Accidentally pack the home kit.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on December 30, 2019, 09:45:48 PM
There just has to be a positive response from the manager, his team selections and the players themselves. Surely. If not, he is toast.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brian green on December 30, 2019, 10:03:42 PM
Wesley will play in his new glasses and get a hat trick of headed goals.  Us 3 Them 6.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 30, 2019, 10:11:52 PM
The formation won't change, some of the personnel will. Let's pray for a performance.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JJ-AV on December 31, 2019, 10:58:58 AM
Been saying it for weeks but Hause at LB and Targett LW seems logical to me. We get ripped apart down that side consistently, Jack and Targett's link up is one of the more positive attacking moves we have and keeps them close together and keeps Hause in the side.

I'd go
Heaton
Guilbert - Engels - Mings - Hause
Nakamba - Hourihane
El Ghazi - Grealish - Targett
Kodjia
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 31, 2019, 11:16:56 AM
Been saying it for weeks but Hause at LB and Targett LW seems logical to me. We get ripped apart down that side consistently, Jack and Targett's link up is one of the more positive attacking moves we have and keeps them close together and keeps Hause in the side.

I'd go
Heaton
Guilbert - Engels - Mings - Hause
Nakamba - Hourihane
El Ghazi - Grealish - Targett
Kodjia

That's certainly adventurous. Presume however that Targett is out tomorrow.?
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 31, 2019, 11:21:38 AM
Been saying it for weeks but Hause at LB and Targett LW seems logical to me. We get ripped apart down that side consistently, Jack and Targett's link up is one of the more positive attacking moves we have and keeps them close together and keeps Hause in the side.

I'd go
Heaton
Guilbert - Engels - Mings - Hause
Nakamba - Hourihane
El Ghazi - Grealish - Targett
Kodjia

That's certainly adventurous. Presume however that Targett is out tomorrow.?

Yup, he's having his braces removed tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on December 31, 2019, 11:22:21 AM
Been saying it for weeks but Hause at LB and Targett LW seems logical to me. We get ripped apart down that side consistently, Jack and Targett's link up is one of the more positive attacking moves we have and keeps them close together and keeps Hause in the side.

I'd go
Heaton
Guilbert - Engels - Mings - Hause
Nakamba - Hourihane
El Ghazi - Grealish - Targett
Kodjia

That's certainly adventurous. Presume however that Targett is out tomorrow.?

Yup, he's having his braces removed tomorrow morning.

Chortle. A late Merry Christmas to you, mate. And an early Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on December 31, 2019, 11:25:59 AM
Apart from Targett being injured, Mings doubtful and JK having no chance of starting up front on his own...I quite like that lineup on paper but it ain’t happening.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on December 31, 2019, 01:21:35 PM
2-0 Burnley
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2019, 02:23:09 PM
As much as we all want pretty possession football and attacking tactics much of this game will be down to desire. Our players didn’t have the stomach for it against Watford. We need to be up for this. I just fear we don’t have what it takes and that we will be sent out again with the same type of personnel to play the same way ending in the same result. We all knew it when we saw the team sheet vs Watford. And someone like Dyche who has operated at this level now for a while will have identified our weaknesses and will expose them.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 31, 2019, 02:38:01 PM
Fuck it, I’m feeling positive. 3-1 Villa. We get a response from the players
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on December 31, 2019, 02:59:34 PM
This could be the kind of game where we’re all expecting to get turned over but we pull a scrappy win out the bag to paper over the cracks and the manager keeps his job. We’ve seen this story a few times particularly with Lambert.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 31, 2019, 03:25:52 PM
What a ridiculous kick off time - no one gives a feck about the fans
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on December 31, 2019, 03:32:27 PM
What a ridiculous kick off time - no one gives a feck about the fans
It could be a blessing. I will be having New Year's Day lunch with SWMBO's family so I won't be allowed to watch.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on December 31, 2019, 03:37:30 PM
SWMBO FTW!
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dr_Fegg on December 31, 2019, 04:54:27 PM
I discussed elsewhere that I think we've lost all semblance of coherence and structure both on and off the ball. There was no time between the ugliness of Norwich to Watford to change anything tactically.

For me, if I were Smith I'd see this as a must not lose, as if we do, I think he'll be sacked with the cup game giving two weeks before the next league fixture and enough time for Poch (it could happen!) or not Poch (boooo!) to add to the squad, given the new structure we have.

I think the absence of two leaders in McGinn and especially Mings has added to the bewildering muddle on the pitch.

For me I'd go 352 as it would let us keep a balance between how many men we commit forward, letting the full backs/wing backs push on without fear and also provide support up top;

Heaton

Hause
Mings
Konsa

Taylor
Grealish
Nkamba
Douglas
Guilbert


Kodjia
Wesley

If Davis was fit, I'd drop Wesley. I've gone with Douglas over Hourihane as Connor is seldom visible away from home, while Douglas has mistakes and can be lightweight, yet he is quick and picks a pass. As one of the two 8s with Grealish, I think attacking is more suited to him. He never hides at least.

The system gets Jack on the middle too.

Smith ought to be telling Nakamba to clear his mind and really identify to him his roll; you're to sit in a pocket of space no more than 15 yards in front of that defence. You compress space and when in possession you find Doug or Jack and if not, you hit it long into the channel, where one of the front two will be expecting it, along with the wing backs.

It's always been a hard place for us to go and the confidence and form being shot to pieces doesn't give much hope.


Someone close to Dean should print this and put it in his hand. Right system, balanced with square pegs in square holes. Surely if we can work it out why not him....
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on December 31, 2019, 05:11:02 PM
B'ham Mail reckon Taylor will return at Left Back with Mings returning alongside Konsa, meaning Hause misses out? I sincerely hope not! I hope Smith remembers how Rodriguez out jumped a weak Taylor for Burnley's first goal at Villa Park. With the likes of Barnes and Chris Wood upfront,  we need height and strength at the back. But Smith will probably opt to put Taylor back in. He has a habit of not doing the obvious!
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on December 31, 2019, 05:15:07 PM
B'ham Mail reckon Taylor will return at Left Back with Mings returning alongside Konsa, meaning Hause misses out? I sincerely hope not! I hope Smith remembers how Rodriguez out jumped a weak Taylor for Burnley's first goal at Villa Park. With the likes of Barnes and Chris Wood upfront,  we need height and strength at the back. But Smith will probably opt to put Taylor back in. He has a habit of not doing the obvious!

He's the only other left back though, unless he plays Elmo over there or Hause.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2019, 05:18:43 PM
I would be playing Haus at LB.
Some extra aerial ability might be useful.
Don’t know why any one would have Taylor as a wing back.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on December 31, 2019, 05:20:54 PM
Think this is a banker for Burnley.  Something seems to have happened during/ after the Leicester game which has sent us into a downward spiral.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Uknowthescore on December 31, 2019, 05:42:49 PM
0-0 Heaton to have a blinder. Onwards and upwards
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ian. on December 31, 2019, 06:05:05 PM
2020 will be the turning point of our away form and leaking of late goals in each half so we’ll be winning this one 1-0.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 31, 2019, 06:10:36 PM
With Targett out and Mings seemingly available it makes sense to have a back four of Guilbert, Hause, Konsa or Engels with Mings. So I expect Hause to be dropped for Taylor or Guilbert to play LB with Elmo on the right. I mean why go with what makes most sense right?
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on December 31, 2019, 06:13:34 PM
OK Bouma.*

*Clever AVFC defender meme pun (probably already done).

Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 31, 2019, 06:25:00 PM
Goes without saying how vital a result is here and a performance after Saturday's horror show. They are drab and workman like, just what we need to be for a few games. Would take a nil nil.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on December 31, 2019, 06:42:27 PM
If Mings is back, we might scrape a draw, otherwise another defeat.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AVH87 on December 31, 2019, 07:03:25 PM
What's the chances of Mings playing? Sounds a bit doubtful from the BBC preview.

Think our only chance of being organised enough to grind out a point is if he plays, could be a long afternoon if not.

I'd hope to see

Heaton
Guilbert
Hause
Engels
Mings
Luiz
Hourihane
Grealish
El Ghazy
Trez
Kodjia
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 31, 2019, 07:44:09 PM
What's the chances of Mings playing? Sounds a bit doubtful from the BBC preview.

Just apply the formula.

Villa player "doubtful" - will not play
Opposition player "doubtful" - will play, and will probably score.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AVH87 on December 31, 2019, 09:20:16 PM
What's the chances of Mings playing? Sounds a bit doubtful from the BBC preview.

Just apply the formula.

Villa player "doubtful" - will not play
Opposition player "doubtful" - will play, and will probably score.

Must admit I'm not expecting to see him out there tomorrow, no point then risking him against Fulham 3 days later.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on January 01, 2020, 01:07:38 AM
I’ve gone for a Villa win, based on nothing other than my usual ill-informed blind optimism 👍👍 Happy New Year Villans, one and all! New year, new start, let’s turn this shit round!*

UP THE VILLA!!!

*i could still be pissed from NYE

Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ktvillan on January 01, 2020, 01:49:01 AM
All I know is that Jay Rodriguez will score against us.  Probably with a part of his anatomy that should be illegal or amputated, or both.  I wish I knew how to place a bet on that.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OzVilla on January 01, 2020, 05:35:11 AM
So what will be this weeks ‘inexplicable team selection from Dean Smith’ be? Dropping Kortney Hause against a team of physical battering ram style centre forwards. Can see both Elmo and Taylor playing in this one. We’ll lose it im afraid as ultimately despite them being fairly poor of late we just won’t really fancy it for the full 90.

2-1 them.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on January 01, 2020, 06:27:30 AM
How about this I just have a feeling that a backs to the wall attitude will see us over the line, Burnley are not Liverpool and Smith will have them all fired up or fired so I'm going for 2-0 to us and a revival under way, yes I have had a couple of single malts while preparing dinner so what.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 01, 2020, 08:59:33 AM
Come on Villa boys and Deano! A new year a fresh start! Let's get a result there today and start to make up for some lost points earlier in the season. UTV!
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2020, 09:17:53 AM
We need to try and get the first goal if possible. We can't afford for our heads to drop again.

Fair play to all those going up there, especially those who are hungover.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 01, 2020, 09:36:11 AM
Burnley will be too tough, physical, strong and streetwise for us today - we're too soft, if they score first then we're done.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on January 01, 2020, 09:37:57 AM
Over the last 4 games they've averaged 0.25 shots on target. If ever a 0-0 was likely, today is that day.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 01, 2020, 09:39:49 AM
Over the last 4 games they've averaged 0.25 shots on target. If ever a 0-0 was likely, today is that day.
not the worst result in the world.

They've not faced Villa though, we love giving teams shots and chances.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2020, 10:47:59 AM
Pretty sure we’ll get beat
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on January 01, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
Quite a pleasant day up here in Tory heartland.
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2020, 11:29:49 AM
Playing its mings and engels at cb. Hause at lb
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on January 01, 2020, 11:30:43 AM
Quite a pleasant day up here in Tory heartland.

Watch out for the prawn barm cake brigade
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on January 01, 2020, 11:31:38 AM
3 at the back then?
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2020, 11:33:18 AM
Hause at lb. Mings back.

Wes starts again sigh 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on January 01, 2020, 11:34:33 AM
Crikey Deano has gone 3 at the back. If this goes tits up then I still reserve the right to moan about the system...
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 01, 2020, 11:37:55 AM
Playing its mings and engels at cb. Hause at lb
Engels?
Title: Re: Burnley v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 01, 2020, 09:00:16 PM
Burnley will be too tough, physical, strong and streetwise for us today - we're too soft, if they score first then we're done.
I got this wrong. I'm happy.  8)
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