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Title: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 28, 2019, 04:56:13 PM
Its surely a matter of time now. I know it may sound unrealistic but i think we should go all out and get wenger. He might come if we promose him funds.

Its a exciting project and if he keeps us up he would have done his bit.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 28, 2019, 04:56:59 PM
Christ almighty what a depressing list that is. None of the above please.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2019, 04:57:55 PM
Anybody other than what is on that list.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: eric woolban woolban on December 28, 2019, 04:58:05 PM
Gerrard
 He can bring Morielos with him
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 28, 2019, 05:01:44 PM
Anybody other than what is on that list.

Ok lets go get bruce back then or how about pardew. Instead of moaning about the choices why not say some names?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Ad@m on December 28, 2019, 05:02:17 PM
Christ almighty what a depressing list that is. None of the above please.

This.  Steve Bruce is doing a decent job at Newcastle...

Its all well and good saying Smith should be sacked but it needs backing up with a better option.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: supertom on December 28, 2019, 05:02:56 PM
If we're really as ambitious as we make out, then tempting Wenger until the summer (and then seeing how the land lays then) is probably the way to go. No bugger thought Rafa would have pitched up at Newcastle, but it was all she wrote by the time he went there. Do it now, give whoever it is time to bring in 2-3 who may make a difference (to go right through our spine). I think there are players who have quality who are looking lost right now. Nakamba and Luiz aren't bad players but they've been awful since November now. You need the right manager, look at Gueye at Everton after fizzling out completely with us. We know what AEG can do when he's on it. There's no way Wenger would look at this side and not fancy managing Grealish.
As things are we're down. Whoever comes in has the excuse in place. It's a no loss scenario.
Fuck sake, what's Ibra doing these days? Get him in for 6 months. He'll be top scorer by the end of the season without even having to run. EDIT. Bollocks. Too late.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Richard on December 28, 2019, 05:03:01 PM
Pochettino obviously
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Axl Rose on December 28, 2019, 05:03:43 PM
Anyone but Moyes, Allardyce, Mark Hughes, Zola, Steven Cabbage, Curbishley or Alex McLeish.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Axl Rose on December 28, 2019, 05:04:23 PM
Pochettino if he'd be mad enough to come.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: four fornicholl on December 28, 2019, 05:05:12 PM
Take bielsa off now, we're being laughed at enough there already!!!
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Nev on December 28, 2019, 05:07:52 PM
Anyone but Moyes, Allardyce, Mark Hughes, Zola, Steven Cabbage, Curbishley or Alex McLeish.

I'd rather go down.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: avfcpg on December 28, 2019, 05:08:02 PM
What's Rafa up to these days?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: German James on December 28, 2019, 05:08:20 PM
Klopp might be tempted; we don't have to play as many games as Liverpool.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 28, 2019, 05:09:11 PM
Rafa. Cautious football, but he'd sort the defence out.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: passport1 on December 28, 2019, 05:14:38 PM
I'll work on the principle that whoever is the fans choice will be an unmitigated disaster at this level. I hope ( with not much expectation) that the owners will be wise enough to do likewise.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2019, 05:17:01 PM
I don't even like Benitez that much, but even I can see that he's the best and most realistic candidate. If a doomed basketcase Newcastle could hire him to take them into the Championship and back out at a canter, then we should be able to get him in. And let's stop with all the stuff about unattractive football - we don't currently play it to any standard, so I'll take whatever he wants to offer, thanks.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: brian green on December 28, 2019, 05:18:15 PM
Thomas Hitzlsperger
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 05:19:33 PM
It will be Terry until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 05:21:29 PM
Anyone but Moyes, Allardyce, Mark Hughes, Zola, Steven Cabbage, Curbishley or Alex McLeish.

You heard it here first, Axl wants Pulis as manager!
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Rudy65 on December 28, 2019, 05:22:20 PM
Rafa. Cautious football, but he'd sort the defence out.

He couldn’t save the Geordies. Not sure he is the answer
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 28, 2019, 05:23:43 PM
I don't even like Benitez that much, but even I can see that he's the best and most realistic candidate. If a doomed basketcase Newcastle could hire him to take them into the Championship and back out at a canter, then we should be able to get him in. And let's stop with all the stuff about unattractive football - we don't currently play it to any standard, so I'll take whatever he wants to offer, thanks.

Only reason i didnt pit rafa on was because of his bad relationship with purslow. So that will never happen.

Wenger with henry possibility as number 2 might work.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 28, 2019, 05:23:52 PM
It will be Terry until the end of the season.

He needs firing with Smith, completely ineffective at coaching, great at Instagram.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: rougegorge on December 28, 2019, 05:26:37 PM
I'm sure there would have been uproar if we'd gone for Pearson but look at the drive he's brought to Watford.

The way I'm feeling at the moment, if nobody decent is lined up, I'd even take Allardyce over Smith even if it were on a bonus based 'keep us up' basis, and then replace him.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: DB on December 28, 2019, 05:28:36 PM
Rafa. Cautious football, but he'd sort the defence out.

He couldn’t save the Geordies. Not sure he is the answer

When did he rock up at Newcastle? Also, he will have money to spend
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 05:29:20 PM
Bielsa isn't leaving Leeds and the other options are rubbish. Well, Wenger isn't. But I can't see him taking the job.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2019, 05:30:15 PM
Do these 'keep us up and then we'll sack you for somebody the fans will like' contracts exist outside of fan forums?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 05:32:42 PM
It will be Terry until the end of the season.

He needs firing with Smith, completely ineffective at coaching, great at Instagram.
I dont see how you can blame the assistant for the set up and selection of players.
It will be Terry.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 28, 2019, 05:33:01 PM
Pochettino - make him a good enough offer and you never know. Whats Ranieri up to these days? Poach the manager from Wolves? Benitez? Weneger? There are good managers out there that have taken worse jobs in the past and done well.

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 05:33:08 PM
I'd look at Marcelinho. Ex manager of Valencia and Villareal. Took both into champions league and beat Barca in Copa del rey final just like season so not like his trophies are a decade ago.

Yes it's a gamble but plenty of clubs have appointed unknowns from abroad and stayed up and then grown as a club.

He's got the sort of top level experience I'm looking for rather than just a hopeful punt like most of our signings.

From the domestic options I'd be happy ish with Hughton in the short term but it's difficult to see any of them turning us into a major force if they do keep us up.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: rougegorge on December 28, 2019, 05:33:20 PM
Do these 'keep us up and then we'll sack you for somebody the fans will like' contracts exist outside of fan forums?
Probably not, but I guess at least if we stayed up we'd have the money to fire and hire. Watford have done it for years, although it's obviously not the ideal approach
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2019, 05:33:55 PM
I'd look at Marcelinho. Ex manager of Valencia and Villareal. Took both into champions league and beat Barca in Copa del rey final just like season so not like his trophies are a decade ago.

Yes it's a gamble but plenty of clubs have appointed unknowns from abroad and stayed up and then grown as a club.

He's got the sort of top level experience I'm looking for rather than just a hopeful punt like most of our signings.

From the domestic options I'd be happy ish with Hughton in the short term but it's difficult to see any of them turning us into a major force if they do keep us up.

Keep us up. The only thing that matters.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 28, 2019, 05:34:33 PM
Terry is a man with zero managerial experience.  As a club we've got to get away from this kind of thinking.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2019, 05:34:36 PM
Anybody other than what is on that list.

Ok lets go get bruce back then or how about pardew. Instead of moaning about the choices why not say some names?

Be ambitous. At minimum go after Benitez. Others may be Roger Schmidt, Ralf Rangnick, Allegri, Marcellino? All out of work
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 28, 2019, 05:34:51 PM
Not sure what paulo fonseca is up to these days but he is sosmone i woild definitely be looking at.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 28, 2019, 05:35:34 PM
Anybody other than what is on that list.

Ok lets go get bruce back then or how about pardew. Instead of moaning about the choices why not say some names?

Be ambitous. At minimum go after Benitez. Others may be Roger Schmidt, Ralf Rangnick, Allegri, Marcellino? All out of work

You think allegri woild come here? And rangnick? No chance
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 05:35:43 PM
I'd look at Marcelinho. Ex manager of Valencia and Villareal. Took both into champions league and beat Barca in Copa del rey final just like season so not like his trophies are a decade ago.

Yes it's a gamble but plenty of clubs have appointed unknowns from abroad and stayed up and then grown as a club.

He's got the sort of top level experience I'm looking for rather than just a hopeful punt like most of our signings.

From the domestic options I'd be happy ish with Hughton in the short term but it's difficult to see any of them turning us into a major force if they do keep us up.

Keep us up. The only thing that matters.

Well we could appoint Pulis or Big Sam. Both have shown season in season out they could do that in worse situations than what we're in (we're still only a point off 17th).

Trouble is they kept us up, we feel we owe them the next season and then they spend 100m on more rubbish like Big Sam did at Everton.

Short term and we'll have the same problems in twelve months time.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 28, 2019, 05:36:05 PM
It will be Terry until the end of the season.

He needs firing with Smith, completely ineffective at coaching, great at Instagram.
I dont see how you can blame the assistant for the set up and selection of players.
It will be Terry.


You missed the bit about coaching, seen any evidence of our defence improving these past few months?

Thought not.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: somec on December 28, 2019, 05:36:45 PM
Didn't Wenger say he would not manage another English club?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: David_Nab on December 28, 2019, 05:36:54 PM
Poch ..Rafa or Big Sam

Big Sam being the nuke option as short term way to stay up.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2019, 05:36:56 PM
Anybody other than what is on that list.

Ok lets go get bruce back then or how about pardew. Instead of moaning about the choices why not say some names?

Be ambitous. At minimum go after Benitez. Others may be Roger Schmidt, Ralf Rangnick, Allegri, Marcellino? All out of work

You think allegri woild come here? And rangnick? No chance

If Ancelotti was still avaiable I'd have put him on the list also. Somehow Everton was attractive him.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 28, 2019, 05:37:12 PM
The Baggies already have the guy I would take in a heartbeat - Slavan Bilic

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2019, 05:37:14 PM
Well, yeah. That's true. But it's a bit previous to demand a longer term plan when we've just been dicked in a must win game.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 05:38:25 PM
Didn't Wenger say he would not manage another English club?

Yep. He dosen't want to manage against Arsenal. I'm sure other clubs here and abroad have enquired so I can't seem him being interested.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 28, 2019, 05:38:52 PM
I have a horrible feeling if smith went we would go for southgate. No thanks for me
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2019, 05:39:22 PM
Didn't Wenger say he would not manage another English club?

Yep. He dosen't want to manage against Arsenal. I'm sure other clubs here and abroad have enquired so I can't seem him being interested.

Wait until next season and he won't have to.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Legion on December 28, 2019, 05:41:48 PM
Pochettino.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 05:42:25 PM
Well, yeah. That's true. But it's a bit previous to demand a longer term plan when we've just been dicked in a must win game.

Tim Sherwood gave us a great short term boost and I enjoy it loads at the time. The long term did great damage to us and took us years to recover.

There are plenty of managers out there who can keep us up AND build something for next 2-3 seasons. If Southampton can find a Pochettino type in a relegation battle we can but it needs work and also a bit of luck.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mike on December 28, 2019, 05:43:12 PM
Pochettino - make him a good enough offer and you never know. Whats Ranieri up to these days? Poach the manager from Wolves? Benitez? Weneger? There are good managers out there that have taken worse jobs in the past and done well.



It breaks my heart to say it but suggesting the manager of a Wolves team who are likely to qualify for Europe and just beat Man City may not snap our hand off.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Steve67 on December 28, 2019, 05:44:45 PM
I don't know who I'd want at this time, possibly Benitez if he and Purslow have patched up their differences.  What I do feel though is that, if the owners do not act quickly, it will show me that they are happy with the current state of affairs and do not quite have the ambition that I thought they had.  I know we are a year ahead of schedule but they need to grasp the nettle and want to stay in this land of riches rather than go back down to the Championship, lose our better players and potentially face another 3 years down there, or longer.  It is clear that the players are not playing for the manager, they have no faith in themselves and it appears from the outside to be an unhappy camp.  All of this leads to two doors, those belonging to Dean Smith and Suso. 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: CJ on December 28, 2019, 05:46:15 PM
Pochettino.

In our dreams! Think he'll hang on for one of the Manchester jobs given that there's talk of Pep moving on at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Virgil Caine on December 28, 2019, 05:47:23 PM
I don’t know if there is any truth to this as the source is not known for reliability but I was told by a Spurs fan that part of Pochettino’s settlement was an agreement that he would not work in the Premier League for 12 months. If he keeps to this then he will be paid in excess of £10m.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: DB on December 28, 2019, 05:48:59 PM
Never gonna happen. Rafa for me.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 05:51:09 PM
Pochettino or Rafa would be fine. Absolutely no to Terry. It's partly his job to coach and inspire the players and he is failing on both fronts. Let Chelsea gamble on him, not us.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2019, 05:52:51 PM
Pochettino would be the equivalent of peak-era Messi deciding to pitch up in B6.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 05:52:59 PM
I have a horrible feeling if smith went we would go for southgate. No thanks for me

He ain't quitting six months before euro 2020.

It will be someone out of work. There's always the odd good manager around and available but also lots of very mediocre ones. Up to the club to scout extensively and see what's out there.

Marcelo Gallardo of River Plate has long been linked with europe. Was linked with Everton a few weeks ago so that would be another wildcard option.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2019, 05:53:52 PM
I have a horrible feeling if smith went we would go for southgate. No thanks for me

He ain't quitting six months before euro 2020.

It will be someone out of work. There's always the odd good manager around and available but also lots of very mediocre ones. Up to the club to scout extensively and see what's out there.

Marcelo Gallardo of River Plate has long been linked with europe. Was linked with Everton a few weeks ago so that would be another wildcard option.

If it's Pitarch doing the scouting, I'm out.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 05:55:14 PM
We aren't going to be getting a manager before Burnley, and then it's two cup games, which have to be regarded as a bonus more than essential.

We have until 12th January to get a top class manager. No need for a panicky Terry/Moyes type appointment.

Let's get this one right, Villa.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Legion on December 28, 2019, 05:56:20 PM
Pochettino.

In our dreams! Think he'll hang on for one of the Manchester jobs given that there's talk of Pep moving on at the end of the season.

Agreed. It's who I would like, not who I think it will be.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on December 28, 2019, 05:56:56 PM
We aren't going to be getting a manager before Burnley, and then it's two cup games, which have to be regarded as a bonus more than essential.

We have until 12th January to get a top class manager. No need for a panicky Terry/Moyes type appointment.

Let's get this one right, Villa.


Smith is going nowhere. We’ve just given him a 4 year contract
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: TonyD on December 28, 2019, 05:57:49 PM
Shit imagine if they go with Moyes. 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: john2710 on December 28, 2019, 05:58:25 PM
I don't think we have a group of players who are good enough or ready to play regularly in this level.

Any manager will have a serious job to do to get this sorted quickly.

Not good enough
Jota
Lansbury
Taylor
Kodja
Targett
Elmohamady
Hourihane

Not ready
Nakemba
Hause
Luis
Konsa
Guilbert
Engel's
Trezeguet
Wesley
Davis

Good enough
Mings
Grealish
McGinn
Heaton
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 05:59:12 PM
Completely forgot about the Leicester semi finals.

Well I guess that could be part of the pitch to any new manager or new signings, you're only 3 games from winning us a historic first trophy since the mid 90s.

If we're really smart there is still loads to sell about this club. We did sign an England international striker when we were in the bottom 3 in 2011 and that was when Lerner was losing interest so let's not act like it's mission impossible to find a manager who can win us 5-6 more games this season.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2019, 06:00:50 PM
We aren't going to be getting a manager before Burnley, and then it's two cup games, which have to be regarded as a bonus more than essential.

We have until 12th January to get a top class manager. No need for a panicky Terry/Moyes type appointment.

Let's get this one right, Villa.


Smith is going nowhere. We’ve just given him a 4 year contract

People keep saying this. To quote Inigo Montoya, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: rougegorge on December 28, 2019, 06:00:55 PM
I don't think we have a group of players who are good enough or ready to play regularly in this level.

Any manager will have a serious job to do to get this sorted quickly.

Not good enough
Jota
Lansbury
Taylor
Kodja
Targett
Elmohamady
Hourihane

Not ready
Nakemba
Hause
Luis
Konsa
Guilbert
Engel's
Trezeguet
Wesley
Davis

Good enough
Mings
Grealish
McGinn
Heaton
I think that's generous on a few of the 'not ready' category.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 28, 2019, 06:01:37 PM
I don't think we have a group of players who are good enough or ready to play regularly in this level.

Any manager will have a serious job to do to get this sorted quickly.

Not good enough
Jota
Lansbury
Taylor
Kodja
Targett
Elmohamady
Hourihane

Not ready
Nakemba
Hause
Luis
Konsa
Guilbert
Engel's
Trezeguet
Wesley
Davis

Good enough
Mings
Grealish
McGinn
Heaton

Spot on fella, though I'd add Konsa, Hause and Davis to the not good enough list.

Though this is no excuse for Smith's tactics/team selections/luck..... You only have to travel up to Sheffield and see what Wilder is getting out of Championship level players every week to see what's possible with proper drilled in tactics/effort/game management.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villan82 on December 28, 2019, 06:03:33 PM
We aren't going to be getting a manager before Burnley, and then it's two cup games, which have to be regarded as a bonus more than essential.

We have until 12th January to get a top class manager. No need for a panicky Terry/Moyes type appointment.

Let's get this one right, Villa.


Smith is going nowhere. We’ve just given him a 4 year contract

The new contract made no sense. And, to top it off, the players seem to have stopped believing in him since??

Was there something upset in the camp and the new contract was aimed to strengthen him?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: lovejoy on December 28, 2019, 06:09:33 PM
Given the names on the realistic list aren’t we better sticking with the bloke who got us up a matter of months ago. I’d give him the season and if we go down then we regroup.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 06:09:51 PM
We aren't going to be getting a manager before Burnley, and then it's two cup games, which have to be regarded as a bonus more than essential.

We have until 12th January to get a top class manager. No need for a panicky Terry/Moyes type appointment.

Let's get this one right, Villa.


Smith is going nowhere. We’ve just given him a 4 year contract

We sacked Lambert about four months after he signed a similar deal.

It's certainly not a good luck, DS should've just got that new deal the day after we went up. No issue then.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 28, 2019, 06:10:19 PM
We aren't going to be getting a manager before Burnley, and then it's two cup games, which have to be regarded as a bonus more than essential.

We have until 12th January to get a top class manager. No need for a panicky Terry/Moyes type appointment.

Let's get this one right, Villa.


Smith is going nowhere. We’ve just given him a 4 year contract

That old chestnut again.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: IFWaters on December 28, 2019, 06:12:18 PM
Available managers include :
Pochettino
Kovac, last job Bayern Munich
Allegri, last jobs Juve & Inter
Blanc, last job Inter

Mind you, that sort of thinking got us Di Matteo. But would you accept Big Sam and his brand of football just to stay up?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on December 28, 2019, 06:14:32 PM
We aren't going to be getting a manager before Burnley, and then it's two cup games, which have to be regarded as a bonus more than essential.

We have until 12th January to get a top class manager. No need for a panicky Terry/Moyes type appointment.

Let's get this one right, Villa.


Smith is going nowhere. We’ve just given him a 4 year contract

We sacked Lambert about four months after he signed a similar deal.

It's certainly not a good luck, DS should've just got that new deal the day after we went up. No issue then.

4 months is a bit different to 4 weeks. Purslow will look like a right cock sacking his manager 30 days after giving him a bumper 4 year deal.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: IFWaters on December 28, 2019, 06:14:35 PM
Chris Wilder. He's doing the business
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 28, 2019, 06:16:53 PM
Chris Wilder. He's doing the business

More chance of deontay wilder than him. No chance in hell he is coming here
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 06:17:27 PM
Available managers include :
Pochettino
Kovac, last job Bayern Munich
Allegri, last jobs Juve & Inter
Blanc, last job Inter

Mind you, that sort of thinking got us Di Matteo. But would you accept Big Sam and his brand of football just to stay up?
No and I dont think we have the players to play BigSAMBall
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2019, 06:17:39 PM
Chris Wilder. He's doing the business

We'd have more chance of getting Klopp than we would Wilder.

Give Poch a ring and a £50m January budget to see if he fancies it.  If not my choice would be Kovac. 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: DB on December 28, 2019, 06:19:58 PM
Pochettino is being lined up for Bayern Munich, Barca, Real Madrid and ManUre, he ain’t coming to us.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2019, 06:23:43 PM
Chris Wilder. He's doing the business

Chris Wilder is what we all hoped to get with Dean Smith. Fan of the club. Up and coming manager. Zero fucks given when playing against supposedly bigger teams. Instead we have a bloke who’s becoming a delusional coward.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Stu on December 28, 2019, 06:25:32 PM
Lmao, we are not getting the likes of Pochettino, even if he was sacked from Spurs. Absolutely fucking mental.

Slaven Bilic would be hilarious though.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 06:29:50 PM
Wilder could be the next big thing or the next Lambert. I hope if we do change manager we're aiming a tad higher than the likes of him or Dyche. And Dyce can fuck off anyway until he learns to clear his throat.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 28, 2019, 06:30:55 PM
What needs addressing is the away form.

...because we've looked so invincible at home?!
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 06:32:08 PM
We aren't going to be getting a manager before Burnley, and then it's two cup games, which have to be regarded as a bonus more than essential.

We have until 12th January to get a top class manager. No need for a panicky Terry/Moyes type appointment.

Let's get this one right, Villa.


Smith is going nowhere. We’ve just given him a 4 year contract

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/17/aston-villa-paul-lambert-extend-contract
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 06:32:32 PM
Chris Wilder. He's doing the business

Chris Wilder is what we all hoped to get with Dean Smith. Fan of the club. Up and coming manager. Zero fucks given when playing against supposedly bigger teams. Instead we have a bloke who’s becoming a delusional coward.

Dean still got us promoted like Wilder did. Ultimately one manager has taken to this level with ease and the other has really struggled.

Chris Wilder has total faith in his system and style of management at this level. He believes it works and it has. One interview with him earlier in the season stuck in my mind. Sheffield United lost a narrow game and instead of praising them for being plucky he actually said in the interview the squad needed to start believing they deserved to be premier league players as much as anyone else.

I think that's the difference. I'm not sure DS really believes deep down he should be at this level just yet. You can see that in how painfully long it takes him to make subs in games, the long conferences he has with O' Kelly and John Terry seemingly asking for their permission to make a sub.

It's a shame but he'll be a decent premier league manager in the long run, just not yet.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 06:34:04 PM
What needs addressing is the away form.

...because we've looked so invincible at home?!

Our home form isn't great, but it's enough to avoid the drop.

Our away form is worse than in 2015-16. Appalling.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on December 28, 2019, 06:34:21 PM
We aren't going to be getting a manager before Burnley, and then it's two cup games, which have to be regarded as a bonus more than essential.

We have until 12th January to get a top class manager. No need for a panicky Terry/Moyes type appointment.

Let's get this one right, Villa.


Smith is going nowhere. We’ve just given him a 4 year contract

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/17/aston-villa-paul-lambert-extend-contract

We’ll see
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 28, 2019, 06:35:13 PM
What needs addressing is the away form.

...because we've looked so invincible at home?!
I don't think I'm alone thinking with the home games at Villa Park we have hope and have chance of victories.

Away from home is a difference and has been all season

Despite previous results I still remain hopeful at home who ever villa have to play.
Big atmosphere and big games.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: CT on December 28, 2019, 06:38:53 PM
Eric Black has 35+ years of experience.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: gpbarr on December 28, 2019, 06:39:32 PM
We aren't going to be getting a manager before Burnley, and then it's two cup games, which have to be regarded as a bonus more than essential.

We have until 12th January to get a top class manager. No need for a panicky Terry/Moyes type appointment.

Let's get this one right, Villa.


Smith is going nowhere. We’ve just given him a 4 year contract

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/17/aston-villa-paul-lambert-extend-contract

We’ll see

We will. If they stick, they just kissed approx $100m down the drain in the hope it’s a blip
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: amfy on December 28, 2019, 06:41:15 PM
.......& here in this thread is the best argument against the other thread.

So easy to say ‘out’ yet not so easy to work out the ‘in’.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: CT Villan on December 28, 2019, 06:43:36 PM
Pochettino, Wenger and Rafa are the obvious choices. I think going for an overseas manager without EPL experience would be another Wesley-like gamble and I'm not ready to flip that coin again so soon.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Davkaus on December 28, 2019, 06:44:41 PM
You have to laugh at the delusion of fans who think we can get Poch. He's waiting for Real, Bayern or Man United. Why's he coming to us?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
Poch ..Rafa or Big Sam

Big Sam being the nuke option as short term way to stay up.

I don't really believe in these short-term options.

Say we appointed Big Sam and he kept us up... there's no way we wouldn't be extending his contract. Then you're just postponing getting the right man in when you should have done it in the first place.

I'd like us to get a manager who can keep us up and who would have the skills to get us competing nearer the top of the table in years to come.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 06:47:40 PM
.......& here in this thread is the best argument against the other thread.

So easy to say ‘out’ yet not so easy to work out the ‘in’.

That is such a weak argument. We aren't paid a fortune to choose the next Villa manager. We don't have any idea of budgets, long term plans, contacts in the game etc.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Roysmert on December 28, 2019, 06:48:07 PM
The thread I started for this got shut down a week ago.  :(
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: FrankyH on December 28, 2019, 06:50:29 PM
Eric Black has 35+ years of experience.

Well done CT ,  that's the first time I've managed to smile since the final whistle !
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: picicata on December 28, 2019, 06:51:43 PM
Who knows? Probably doesn't matter, he'll be sacked by this time next year
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 06:51:49 PM
The thread I started for this got shut down a week ago.  :(

You were ahead of your time. A visionary.

Who would have thought Villa would carry on playing shite 😥
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 28, 2019, 06:53:11 PM
Anyone but Moyes, Allardyce, Mark Hughes, Zola, Steven Cabbage, Curbishley or Alex McLeish.

I had totally forgotten Alan Curbishley existed until you brought him up. Aside from anything else he has been out of the game too long, unless you think he could be our Kevin Keegan style saviour. They both wore the number seven shirt.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 06:54:21 PM
.......& here in this thread is the best argument against the other thread.

So easy to say ‘out’ yet not so easy to work out the ‘in’.

It's a point, and of course there is no manager we can bring in that guarantees long-term success or even short-term survival.

But it is looking increasingly likely that failing to replace the current incumbent will see us relegated. We simply cannot leave things as they are.

I like Smith and I'm grateful. I'd rather it was a mercy killing and we do it quickly while his reputation is largely intact.

I don't want weeks of increasingly poisonous atmospheres at Villa Park and away and crowds starting to shout for his head.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 28, 2019, 06:57:45 PM
Terry is a man with zero managerial experience.  As a club we've got to get away from this kind of thinking.


We won the European cup under a man who had no managerial experience  ;)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: dicedlam on December 28, 2019, 07:03:44 PM
Reasons why we should go for Gerrard.

- He has got No chance of the Liverpool job (not yet anyway).
- Would be able to attract good players to the club.
- As got the Rangers side playing good football.
- Would instantly gain respect from the players.
- He wouldn't get a bigger club in the Premier League right now.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 07:04:29 PM
Pochettino, Wenger and Rafa are the obvious choices. I think going for an overseas manager without EPL experience would be another Wesley-like gamble and I'm not ready to flip that coin again so soon.

Plenty of other teams have done that and stayed up comfortably.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: john e on December 28, 2019, 07:04:55 PM
Rafa is on 12 million a year in China

Yep 12 mill a year

I don’t think he will be rushing over for another dog fight for a cut in wages
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 28, 2019, 07:05:16 PM
I don’t know if there is any truth to this as the source is not known for reliability but I was told by a Spurs fan that part of Pochettino’s settlement was an agreement that he would not work in the Premier League for 12 months. If he keeps to this then he will be paid in excess of £10m.

My understanding was that Poch would only get his settlement if he didn't work in the Premier League again this season. For what it is worth both Poch and Rafa have family homes in England and they both have kids who are still at school in England.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2019, 07:05:33 PM
.......& here in this thread is the best argument against the other thread.

So easy to say ‘out’ yet not so easy to work out the ‘in’.

But there are highly paid professionals paid to do the picking, not us. 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 07:06:01 PM
Rafa is on 12 million a year in China

Yep 12 mill a year

I don’t think he will be rushing over for another dog fight for a cut in wages

I didn't know that.

Okay, I've decided then.

Pochettino's claret and blue army.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: IFWaters on December 28, 2019, 07:06:24 PM
Mellberg with Terry and Lauren as assistants. McGrath as defensive coach.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 28, 2019, 07:06:32 PM
The thread I started for this got shut down a week ago.  :(

Tradition says only Risso can start the Manager Out thread.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2019, 07:06:33 PM
Rafa is on 12 million a year in China

Yep 12 mill a year

I don’t think he will be rushing over for another dog fight for a cut in wages

I didn't know that.

Okay, I've decided then.

Pochettino's claret and blue army.

It's got a nice ring to it.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 07:07:32 PM
Reasons why we should go for Gerrard.

- He has got No chance of the Liverpool job (not yet anyway).
- Would be able to attract good players to the club.
- As got the Rangers side playing good football.
- Would instantly gain respect from the players.
- He wouldn't get a bigger club in the Premier League right now.

Fuck, no. He's a ******. His "achievements" consist of zero trophies and finishing second in a competition that only two teams can win. And he's a ******. I know I've mentioned that already, but thought it was worth emphasising.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 07:08:20 PM
Rafa is on 12 million a year in China

Yep 12 mill a year

I don’t think he will be rushing over for another dog fight for a cut in wages

I didn't know that.

Okay, I've decided then.

Pochettino's claret and blue army.

It's got a nice ring to it.

It does, doesn't it? I am singing it in my head and my foot can't help tapping.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 07:09:01 PM
I'll be pissed off now if he rocks up at West Ham and they steal the song I've invented 🤬
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: tomd2103 on December 28, 2019, 07:10:24 PM
Benitez would be the obvious candidate for me, but his history with our CEO and Sporting Director make that appointment unlikely (unless there has been some sort of reconciliation).

He has experience of both the lower and higher reaches of the division and is someone for probably the shorter and longer term.  He would be a good fit for us if the button is pushed, but as I say, is unlikely given his relationships with Purslow and Pitarch.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Legion on December 28, 2019, 07:10:41 PM
The thread I started for this got shut down a week ago.  :(

Tradition says only Risso can start the Manager Out thread.

There was a similar one started this time last season.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: CT Villan on December 28, 2019, 07:11:03 PM
You have to laugh at the delusion of fans who think we can get Poch. He's waiting for Real, Bayern or Man United. Why's he coming to us?

He'll be waiting a while for Bayern or Real. He clearly has talent, but hasn't won anything as a manager yet. I think he would be ideal for a project at Villa with highly supportive owners and a CEO who isn't Daniel Levy.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2019, 07:11:13 PM
I'll be pissed off now if he rocks up at West Ham and they steal the song I've invented 🤬

Just our luck stole our kit and then our song.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: TonyD on December 28, 2019, 07:12:06 PM
Nobody has mentioned old ‘Arry yet.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Richard E on December 28, 2019, 07:12:31 PM
Nobody has mentioned old ‘Arry yet.
Thank god for that.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 28, 2019, 07:13:13 PM
Reasons why we should go for Gerrard.

- He has got No chance of the Liverpool job (not yet anyway).
- Would be able to attract good players to the club.
- As got the Rangers side playing good football.
- Would instantly gain respect from the players.
- He wouldn't get a bigger club in the Premier League right now.

Fuck, no. He's a c***. His "achievements" consist of zero trophies and finishing second in a competition that only two teams can win. And he's a c***. I know I've mentioned that already, but thought it was worth emphasising.

I'm with CD. It pushes my buttons enough when we play Chelsea because of the John Terry link..... Replace that with Gerrard and Liverpool and I'm off!
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: CT Villan on December 28, 2019, 07:13:35 PM
Fuck, no. He's a c***. His "achievements" consist of zero trophies and finishing second in a competition that only two teams can win. And he's a c***. I know I've mentioned that already, but thought it was worth emphasising.

So Bono > Stevie G ? :)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: KevinGage on December 28, 2019, 07:14:28 PM
Avram Grant or Malcom Allison.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 07:15:26 PM
Fuck, no. He's a c***. His "achievements" consist of zero trophies and finishing second in a competition that only two teams can win. And he's a c***. I know I've mentioned that already, but thought it was worth emphasising.

So Bono > Stevie G ? :)

That's actually quite close. Throw in Robbie cocking Williams and you have the full Trumvirate of Twattery.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: amfy on December 28, 2019, 07:15:40 PM
.......& here in this thread is the best argument against the other thread.

So easy to say ‘out’ yet not so easy to work out the ‘in’.

That is such a weak argument. We aren't paid a fortune to choose the next Villa manager. We don't have any idea of budgets, long term plans, contacts in the game etc.

Not particularly arguing, just saying.

We aren’t paid to sack managers either but we do.

Edit - The fact that I said it’s the ‘best’ argument against the other thread means I’m not in total disagreement. I’m really worried that he didn’t make any changes to such a terrible performance today, but I would still like to see it turn around because I am afraid the arguments about poisonous dressing rooms, training ground, chairmen etc are dead - we have completely changed all of these several times over and it is looking increasingly like the common denominator is us.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 28, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
I wouldn't mind Allardyce. I think he would keep us up this season and take us further up the table next season. He took Bolton up and kept them up, kept Blackburn up, kept Newcastle up, kept Sunderland up and got West Ham up and kept them up, he kept Palace up and he kept Everton up. Not to mention being the most successful England manager of all time.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Legion on December 28, 2019, 07:25:42 PM
No.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: rougegorge on December 28, 2019, 07:28:16 PM
Well Pellegrini will surely be gone after losing to Leicester's reserves and that will narrow the pool of replacements further.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2019, 07:28:39 PM
.......& here in this thread is the best argument against the other thread.

So easy to say ‘out’ yet not so easy to work out the ‘in’.

That is such a weak argument. We aren't paid a fortune to choose the next Villa manager. We don't have any idea of budgets, long term plans, contacts in the game etc.

Not particularly arguing, just saying.

We aren’t paid to sack managers either but we do.

Edit - The fact that I said it’s the ‘best’ argument against the other thread means I’m not in total disagreement. I’m really worried that he didn’t make any changes to such a terrible performance today, but I would still like to see it turn around because I am afraid the arguments about poisonous dressing rooms, training ground, chairmen etc are dead - we have completely changed all of these several times over and it is looking increasingly like the common denominator is us.

That last bit, really?!  It really grinds my gears when Villa fans get the blame for us being shit.  We're averaging 42K sell out crowds, and they're still largely supportive of the team.  It wasn't Villa fans who decided that a talentless carthorse like Wesley would be the answer to our goalscoring prayers, or that Jota and Matt Targett would be good buys.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 07:28:55 PM
Well Pellegrini will surely be gone after losing to Leicester's reserves and that will narrow the pool of replacements further.

Moyes seems to think he's getting that job. Again.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 07:29:04 PM
Apologies Amfy, that reads harsher than I meant.

We can want players/managers out as we can see it's not working. What we don't have is the information needed to make an informed decision on replacements, especially manager wise. If, for example, the club have in place a plan to spend £50m in Jan and another £100m in the summer then it massively changes our targets compared to if we're spending 78p in Jan and half a pack of Hob Nobs in the summer.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 28, 2019, 07:31:45 PM
Don't think I've seen Eddie Howe mentioned. Think he'd be a realistic and decent candidate.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 28, 2019, 07:32:42 PM
Fuck, no. He's a c***. His "achievements" consist of zero trophies and finishing second in a competition that only two teams can win. And he's a c***. I know I've mentioned that already, but thought it was worth emphasising.

So Bono > Stevie G ? :)

That's actually quite close. Throw in Robbie cocking Williams and you have the full Trumvirate of Twattery.
Out of pure interest CD, have you ever met SG?
And labelling him a #### is based upon what exactly?
Your hatred of all things Liverpudian ?
:)


Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2019, 07:35:22 PM
Not particularly a reason not to hire Gerrard long term, but imagine being the mugs that bought him back to the Premier League the season his beloved Reds won it with ease?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
Leandro Jardim about to be sacked by Monaco (again). That said I do think he's a good manager. He was there in his first spell when they got to CL semi finals with that very exciting team.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 07:41:15 PM
Yes its the Fans fault FFS
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 07:41:41 PM
Fuck, no. He's a c***. His "achievements" consist of zero trophies and finishing second in a competition that only two teams can win. And he's a c***. I know I've mentioned that already, but thought it was worth emphasising.

So Bono > Stevie G ? :)

That's actually quite close. Throw in Robbie cocking Williams and you have the full Trumvirate of Twattery.
Out of pure interest CD, have you ever met SG?
And labelling him a #### is based upon what exactly?
Your hatred of all things Liverpudian ?
:)

Eh? No, I don't hate Ron Saunders, Dennis Mortimer or Tony Morley, funnily enough. You're a bit bloody defensive whenever anyone criticises anything that happens to be associated with Liverpool.

Is it okay that I dislike slavery, Cilla Black and Esther McVey but quite like The Beatles, Alexei Sayle and Tom Baker?

No, I hate Gerrard because he was a cheating, diving bastard who should have gone to prison for assaulting someone because they had different taste in music to him.

If that's okay with you?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: john2710 on December 28, 2019, 07:41:44 PM
Anyone thinking Benitez or Pochettino will be rocking up at Villa Park anytime soon is deluded.

We need motivation, organisation, experience & 3 or 4 players in key positions to stop the rot.

Minimum of central midfield, centre forward & wide forward.

Haven't got a clue who might come in but it doesn't look like Dean has the skills needed at this level.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Smirker on December 28, 2019, 07:43:27 PM
Pochettino is my choice.

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villadelph on December 28, 2019, 07:43:36 PM
Anyone thinking Benitez or Pochettino will be rocking up at Villa Park anytime soon is deluded.



You probably voted for Wenger.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 07:45:46 PM
Fuck, no. He's a c***. His "achievements" consist of zero trophies and finishing second in a competition that only two teams can win. And he's a c***. I know I've mentioned that already, but thought it was worth emphasising.

So Bono > Stevie G ? :)

That's actually quite close. Throw in Robbie cocking Williams and you have the full Trumvirate of Twattery.
Out of pure interest CD, have you ever met SG?
And labelling him a #### is based upon what exactly?
Your hatred of all things Liverpudian ?
:)

Eh? No, I don't hate Ron Saunders, Dennis Mortimer or Tony Morley, funnily enough. You're a bit bloody defensive whenever anyone criticises anything that happens to be associated with Liverpool.

Is it okay that I dislike slavery, Cilla Black and Esther McVey but quite like The Beatles, Alexei Sayle and Tom Baker?

No, I hate Gerrard because he was a cheating, diving bastard who should have gone to prison for assaulting someone because they had different taste in music to him.

If that's okay with you?
I am with CDB on this.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 07:45:51 PM
It's looking like an "other please specify" landslide at the moment.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: TheMalandro on December 28, 2019, 07:47:15 PM
Anyone thinking Benitez or Pochettino will be rocking up at Villa Park anytime soon is deluded.



You probably voted for Wenger.

Why? He's being realistic.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Smirker on December 28, 2019, 07:48:30 PM
It's not delusion to think Poch could come here with a window and financial backing. It's a fantastic opportunity for a manager. If Dean is sacked then call Poch, ask him what he wants and offer it.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 07:49:07 PM
I can't see any problem with us getting a manager that's currently on £12m a year after tax.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: amfy on December 28, 2019, 07:49:21 PM
Apologies Amfy, that reads harsher than I meant.

We can want players/managers out as we can see it's not working. What we don't have is the information needed to make an informed decision on replacements, especially manager wise. If, for example, the club have in place a plan to spend £50m in Jan and another £100m in the summer then it massively changes our targets compared to if we're spending 78p in Jan and half a pack of Hob Nobs in the summer.

I don’t think it was a particularly harsh response to what I said.

.....but it was simply a statement that ‘out’ is easier than ‘in’, & when we start to say ‘out’ that’s something I think we need to take into account, because otherwise, because otherwise it’s like the equivalent of that ‘things that make my 2 year old cry’ book - it’s honestly just a tantrum because you can’t have what you want.


Later this evening has been a result that isn’t that great for us but could have been worse....Because Farke who did great for Norwich last year but has had them looking dead & buried this year has maybe instilled a bit of fight & they nearly took all the points against Spurs, whilst Spurs who dumped struggling Pottechino (who we think we’d be lucky to persuade to come to us) have struggled to get a point against ‘doomed’ Norwich.
Watford may be in new manager bounce territory and be shit again in a fortnight.
It’s just not always as straightforward as it looks.

We also had a massive stretch last season when we thought Deano couldn’t do it. Then Jack came back. Our worst form has coincided with Mings and McGinn playing with injuries just before being ruled out completely with injuries so they are to return. (Just before those 2 started to carry injuries we were improving & gathering some coherence).

We could sign a missing link in January. He definitely has to give the Wesley persistence a rest because it can’t even be doing the player himself any good any more, and I think the team’s lack of faith in him to score is causing us to attack far too cautiously and losing Deano’s  own entire ethos of playing. That’s why it’s a mess frankly.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 28, 2019, 07:50:43 PM
Pointless talking about the manager no one is going to get any decent tune out the likes of targett, joca, Wesley
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Smirker on December 28, 2019, 07:51:06 PM
I can't see any problem with us getting a manager that's currently on £12m a year after tax.

He's not currently on anything is he?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 28, 2019, 07:53:00 PM
It's not delusion to think Poch could come here with a window and financial backing. It's a fantastic opportunity for a manager. If Dean is sacked then call Poch, ask him what he wants and offer it.


It couldn't hurt to contact Poch. Considering he was supposed to be nailed on to be the next manager of Manchester United, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Juventus to the best of my knowledge he is currently out of work.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: TheMalandro on December 28, 2019, 07:53:59 PM
It's not delusion to think Poch could come here with a window and financial backing. It's a fantastic opportunity for a manager. If Dean is sacked then call Poch, ask him what he wants and offer it.

Sorry, 100% delusion.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 07:54:00 PM
I can't see any problem with us getting a manager that's currently on £12m a year after tax.

He's not currently on anything is he?

I was on about FSW.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Smirker on December 28, 2019, 07:56:51 PM
Poch it is  8)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 07:56:55 PM
The only thing with Poch is he strikes me as someone who could be interested in a project, rather than someone like the Whinging One that only wants clubs already there. It's a slim chance with Poch and he may well be at the stage he wants a club already there, but if the owners are as ambitious as I hope they are then i'd hope we at least make an enquiry if we bin DS, even if Poch does laugh down the phone.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: john2710 on December 28, 2019, 07:57:28 PM
Anyone thinking Benitez or Pochettino will be rocking up at Villa Park anytime soon is deluded.



You probably voted for Wenger.

I didn't vote for anyone.
It's not as simple as changing the manager, the players & recruitment strategy is equally questionable.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 07:58:04 PM
Agree. Doesn't hurt to ask the question. If he says no, we just go for somebody else amazing.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Pete3206 on December 28, 2019, 07:59:01 PM
I don't think he laugh down the phone. I think he'd collapse in hysterics.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Roysmert on December 28, 2019, 08:02:39 PM
Fuck, no. He's a c***. His "achievements" consist of zero trophies and finishing second in a competition that only two teams can win. And he's a c***. I know I've mentioned that already, but thought it was worth emphasising.

So Bono > Stevie G ? :)

That's actually quite close. Throw in Robbie cocking Williams and you have the full Trumvirate of Twattery.
Out of pure interest CD, have you ever met SG?
And labelling him a #### is based upon what exactly?
Your hatred of all things Liverpudian ?
:)

Eh? No, I don't hate Ron Saunders, Dennis Mortimer or Tony Morley, funnily enough. You're a bit bloody defensive whenever anyone criticises anything that happens to be associated with Liverpool.

Is it okay that I dislike slavery, Cilla Black and Esther McVey but quite like The Beatles, Alexei Sayle and Tom Baker?

No, I hate Gerrard because he was a cheating, diving bastard who should have gone to prison for assaulting someone because they had different taste in music to him.

If that's okay with you?
I am with CDB on this.
Now then. VCTM lives there, his kids are locals, his missus us, he's met the guy, and others close to him, so I'll defer to his right to offer his defence of all things scouse. The thieving little scallies ;)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 08:03:39 PM
Everton apparently enquired to Poch's agent but were quickly told he wasn't interested.

There's talk he could be a target for Man. City if Guardiola leaves. Chelsea job may also come up in near future. Plus all the ones abroad like Juventus, PSG and Bayern Munich.

Benitez to me is more realistic given he's said he'll manage in the premier league again. Bit of a problem though he's worked before with Suso and Purslow and didn't get on with either.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Roysmert on December 28, 2019, 08:04:06 PM
The thread I started for this got shut down a week ago.  :(

Tradition says only Risso can start the Manager Out thread.

I'm cool with that. Risso is an intelligent person
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 08:10:49 PM
I think Risso should start the Pochettino Out thread now, save fucking around.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 08:11:54 PM

Benitez to me is more realistic given he's said he'll manage in the premier league again. Bit of a problem though he's worked before with Suso and Purslow and didn't get on with either.

I'm not sure £12m a year is realistic to be honest.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 08:13:35 PM
Quite a few people don't hang around too long in China, big money or otherwise.

And, let's face it, it's not like he'd be claiming tax credits to make ends meet if he ends up managing in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on December 28, 2019, 08:14:59 PM
We’ve more chance of securing the services of Rafa Nadal. This site never ceases to amaze me
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 28, 2019, 08:16:35 PM
Fuck, no. He's a c***. His "achievements" consist of zero trophies and finishing second in a competition that only two teams can win. And he's a c***. I know I've mentioned that already, but thought it was worth emphasising.

So Bono > Stevie G ? :)

That's actually quite close. Throw in Robbie cocking Williams and you have the full Trumvirate of Twattery.
Out of pure interest CD, have you ever met SG?
And labelling him a #### is based upon what exactly?
Your hatred of all things Liverpudian ?
:)

Eh? No, I don't hate Ron Saunders, Dennis Mortimer or Tony Morley, funnily enough. You're a bit bloody defensive whenever anyone criticises anything that happens to be associated with Liverpool.

Is it okay that I dislike slavery, Cilla Black and Esther McVey but quite like The Beatles, Alexei Sayle and Tom Baker?

No, I hate Gerrard because he was a cheating, diving bastard who should have gone to prison for assaulting someone because they had different taste in music to him.

If that's okay with you?
Fuck, no. He's a c***. His "achievements" consist of zero trophies and finishing second in a competition that only two teams can win. And he's a c***. I know I've mentioned that already, but thought it was worth emphasising.

So Bono > Stevie G ? :)

That's actually quite close. Throw in Robbie cocking Williams and you have the full Trumvirate of Twattery.
Out of pure interest CD, have you ever met SG?
And labelling him a #### is based upon what exactly?
Your hatred of all things Liverpudian ?
:)

Eh? No, I don't hate Ron Saunders, Dennis Mortimer or Tony Morley, funnily enough. You're a bit bloody defensive whenever anyone criticises anything that happens to be associated with Liverpool.

Is it okay that I dislike slavery, Cilla Black and Esther McVey but quite like The Beatles, Alexei Sayle and Tom Baker?

No, I hate Gerrard because he was a cheating, diving bastard who should have gone to prison for assaulting someone because they had different taste in music to him.

If that's okay with you?
That's fine with me sweetie ......let me buy you a drink near Anfield when we play LFC, just to prove there are no hard feelings......for the sake of accuracy Tony Morley is a "Woolyback"
-From Ormskirk ;)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 08:18:10 PM
Never heard that before. Think I have been a woolyback since about the age of 23 but at least it keeps me warm in the winter... 😧
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 28, 2019, 08:18:37 PM
I think all this talk is immaterial as they are not gonna sack someone who they've only given a new contract to less than 2 months ago, especially as there is no outstanding, realistic target. Poch is gonna get one of the biggest jobs in the world during the summer, Benetiz and Purslow don't get on, plus he's on huge money, which leaves the normal runners and riders like Moyes, Hughton etc i rather have DS to be honest. If he doesn't get a couple of shrewd signings in and changes our tactics, then he will be the man to take us down.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on December 28, 2019, 08:19:18 PM
It's not delusion to think Poch could come here with a window and financial backing. It's a fantastic opportunity for a manager. If Dean is sacked then call Poch, ask him what he wants and offer it.


It couldn't hurt to contact Poch. Considering he was supposed to be nailed on to be the next manager of Manchester United, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Juventus to the best of my knowledge he is currently out of work.

Put down the Brandy fella.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2019, 08:32:41 PM
Chinese govt has recently decreed that £2m pa is the most their clubs can pay employees in the next round of contracts

I’d give John Terry 6 months although I wouldn’t be able to give a robust reason why.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Legion on December 28, 2019, 08:34:29 PM
Chinese govt has recently decreed that £2m pa is the most their clubs can pay employees in the next round of contracts

I’d give John Terry 6 months although I wouldn’t be able to give a robust reason why.

Assault, M'Lud?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: AVH87 on December 28, 2019, 08:35:02 PM
Rafa has said he isn't coming back to the Prem yet on MNF about 3 weeks ago, by all means try but I think the summer is the earliest he'd return.

I'd therefore go for Big Sam. Ok the football isn't great but at the moment we are playing with no fight, organisation or leadership and I think he rectifies all three. No reason he couldn't keep us up with a couple of smart signings in Jan and then push on towards mid-table the following season like he did with West Ham, then it's after that you consider the long-term, right now the Championship is calling, again, and the thought of another 3 years down there isn't too appealing.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 08:38:09 PM
(https://socceronsunday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/big-sam-villa.jpg)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: lovejoy on December 28, 2019, 08:40:40 PM
We can throw names around on here all we like but in the real world there’s no way a premier league manager is going to leave mid season to drop down the league and join us. Or, for that matter, a manager with champions league experience.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ez on December 28, 2019, 08:41:56 PM
Try for Poch. You never know until you try. I get tired of people talking the club down saying he wont consider it. We're a big club with wealthy owners.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 08:43:05 PM
We can throw names around on here all we like but in the real world there’s no way a premier league manager is going to leave mid season to drop down the league and join us. Or, for that matter, a manager with champions league experience.

The real world where Rafa joined a relegation threatened Newcastle in March?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2019, 08:43:49 PM
We can throw names around on here all we like but in the real world there’s no way a premier league manager is going to leave mid season to drop down the league and join us. Or, for that matter, a manager with champions league experience.

Not sure about this at all, we can pay very big wages and that is all that counts.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: dicedlam on December 28, 2019, 08:45:22 PM
Well Pellegrini will surely be gone after losing to Leicester's reserves and that will narrow the pool of replacements further.

Moyes seems to think he's getting that job. Again.

Listening to the West Ham fans on talksport, they would welcome him back with open arms.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 28, 2019, 08:46:58 PM
It's not all about money though, no manager like Dyche will drop down the table to come to us and big names with CL experience probably see us as a but of a basket case still....with a bang average squad.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villadelph on December 28, 2019, 08:47:52 PM
We can throw names around on here all we like but in the real world there’s no way a premier league manager is going to leave mid season to drop down the league and join us. Or, for that matter, a manager with champions league experience.

The real world where Rafa joined a relegation threatened Newcastle in March?

Where three-time Champions League winner Carlo Ancelloti joins Everton..?!

Christ, Pellegrini is at feckin West Ham!

I would hope two men worth $7bil could lure a decent name.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 08:49:59 PM
Exactly. Our owners are filthy rich, and we are bloody massive. Let's act like it for once.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 08:51:29 PM
Try for Poch. You never know until you try. I get tired of people talking the club down saying he wont consider it. We're a big club with wealthy owners.

Everton are a big club with wealthy owners, they tried. Not interested.

"Mauricio Pochettino has declined the chance to become Everton’s next manager after they made an approach for him to take over from Marco Silva, reports have claimed. The Toffees finally swung the axe on the Portuguese yesterday with the side living dangerously in the relegation zone."

Ancelotti wasn't a bad Plan B though. He was still Napoli manager at time of that article so just shows that sometimes luck and timing can play a part in whether the right man for the job becomes available.

I'm pretty sure when we sacked Sherwood all those years ago Big Sam had just been appointed Sunderland manager so that was one obvious name who we couldn't appoint due to timing.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 08:52:24 PM
We can throw names around on here all we like but in the real world there’s no way a premier league manager is going to leave mid season to drop down the league and join us. Or, for that matter, a manager with champions league experience.

Not sure about this at all, we can pay very big wages and that is all that counts.

Surely that would count for big name players yet we signed hardly any in the summer. We need to do that aswell going forward.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 08:56:22 PM
No idea if Poch would come, but he recently said he is open to offers and wants to manage in the Premier League again.
There is no vacancy Liverpool Chelsea Spurs Arsenal Citeh Everton.
Sure he can wait to see if a Top European Club comes in for him in the summer.
Our biggest recruiting problem is our current league position as many managers will not want to be tarnished by relegation.
 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2019, 08:57:03 PM
I’d guess we had a ‘young and hungry’ plan and were all for it. Now that it has not worked out so far we will look at our billionaire owners to take a more traditional approach. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 09:00:12 PM
Jardim now sacked by Monaco. Pretty unlucky to lose his job this time given they're only 5 points off 3rd and thumped Lille in their last game.

Would seriously consider him if there's a change in the near future.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Roysmert on December 28, 2019, 09:01:37 PM
Pellegrini's available now
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: DB on December 28, 2019, 09:04:34 PM
West Ham have made their move..
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 09:05:29 PM
Yeah, West Ham are a pain. Can see them being an attractive choice given the London actress and massive ground. Hopefully they just reappoint Moyes and leave Our Poch alone.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 28, 2019, 09:10:13 PM
It's gonna be fat Sam isn't it? :(
I wonder who he supported as a kid growing up in Dudley?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2019, 09:11:06 PM
It's gonna be fat Sam isn't it? :(
I wonder who he supported as a kid growing up in Dudley?

Wolves.

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 28, 2019, 09:11:15 PM
Jardim now sacked by Monaco. Pretty unlucky to lose his job this time given they're only 5 points off 3rd and thumped Lille in their last game.

Would seriously consider him if there's a change in the near future.

He's on gardening leave.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 09:11:40 PM
If it's Easter Island statue head we may as well shut the club down if that's the best we can do with multi billionaire owners.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 28, 2019, 09:12:28 PM
It's gonna be fat Sam isn't it? :(
I wonder who he supported as a kid growing up in Dudley?
A question I have often wondered about, also Duncan Edwards.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Roysmert on December 28, 2019, 09:12:33 PM
It's gonna be fat Sam isn't it? :(
I wonder who he supported as a kid growing up in Dudley?

Wolves.

I have a pint with Bobby, his brother occasionally. He'd walk to the Villa.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 09:13:09 PM
That's good. I rate Bobby. Not so keen on Sam, though.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 09:13:17 PM
Why is Bobby only occasionally his brother?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 28, 2019, 09:15:00 PM
It's gonna be fat Sam isn't it? :(
I wonder who he supported as a kid growing up in Dudley?

Wolves.

I have a pint with Bobby, his brother occasionally. He'd walk to the Villa.
That's what I've heard from a couple of people ......
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 09:15:01 PM
Why is Bobby only occasionally his brother?

Because Friday to Sunday, Bobby is called "Julie".
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2019, 09:15:08 PM
Managerial vacancy at West Ham.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 09:15:19 PM
Why is Bobby only occasionally his brother?
In denial?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 28, 2019, 09:18:54 PM
If we want to aim high, attract the best players or better players, Wenger, offer him a big contract to reshape the club not just manage the club, some may consider him a little old, so Robert Moreno, first class manager with lots of experience, Chris Hughton wouldn't be to bad a choice but you can imagine what would happen if things went sour, him being an ex nose boss, Niko Kovac, if we wanted the quick fix to stay in the Premiership, Big Sam and Mark Hughes both have that capability to do that, then review at the end of the season. for me I would go with Wenger or Moreno.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 09:20:28 PM
Roberto Moreno is the new Monaco manager, replacing Jardim.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 28, 2019, 09:22:48 PM
Roberto Moreno is the new Monaco manager, replacing Jardim.

Damn it.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: tomd2103 on December 28, 2019, 09:29:53 PM
Managerial vacancy at West Ham.

Everton acted and now West Ham have too.  Might influence the owners.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 28, 2019, 09:34:14 PM
Managerial vacancy at West Ham.

Everton acted and now West Ham have too.  Might influence the owners.

He who hesitates is lost, you have to.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Roysmert on December 28, 2019, 09:36:33 PM
Neither everton or wet spam will go down.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: john2710 on December 28, 2019, 09:37:21 PM
Over the past 10 years we've been a basket case club, anyone coming in would have that in mind.

A short-term manager for hopefully a short-term solution.

Anyone who can motivated these fuckers & put some fight / passion into the team.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 28, 2019, 09:56:45 PM
I like Chris Hughton, but is he a step up from Smith or more of the same ?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 09:59:36 PM
I like Chris Hughton, but is he a step up from Smith or more of the same ?
Bit of a one trick pony, will get them organised and efficient which might be enough but I dont think there is any originality in his approach.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 09:59:58 PM
We've discussed Hughton before. I just cannot cope with people calling him "Houghton" in every sodding match thread, so it's a "no" from me.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2019, 10:02:20 PM
I’d be looking at the Leipzig manager.

Lots of reasons he wouldn’t come here but lots he would
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on December 28, 2019, 10:11:45 PM
Chris Wilder. He's doing the business

Chris Wilder is what we all hoped to get with Dean Smith. Fan of the club. Up and coming manager. Zero fucks given when playing against supposedly bigger teams. Instead we have a bloke who’s becoming a delusional coward.
Why the fuck is he a coward?  I hate how that gets thrown about in here.  He's just a decent championship manager trying to find his feet in the hardest league in the world.  Stop calling him a coward you ungrateful ...
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 10:12:51 PM
I’d be looking at the Leipzig manager.

Lots of reasons he wouldn’t come here but lots he would

They're top of Bundesliga and have winnable game v Spurs in last 16 of CL. Interested in the "lots he would" category!

Southampton got Ralph Hasselhuttl who also did well at Leipzig but he was out of work at the time.

That's the key, out of work dosen't mean you're rubbish so it's looking at the better candidates. Leandro Jardim and Marcelinho are two I'd seriously consider as they've recently achieved stuff at major european clubs.

Jardim won the league and got to CL semi finals in 16/17, Marcelinho finished 4th in La Liga and won copa del rey just last season. Better pedigrees than what Garde had.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 28, 2019, 10:13:49 PM
Claudio Ranieri? Roberto Martinez?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on December 28, 2019, 10:17:01 PM
I’d be looking at the Leipzig manager.

Lots of reasons he wouldn’t come here but lots he would


Mate, come on.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 28, 2019, 10:17:48 PM
Ranieri is currently in a role - Sampdoria. Martinez - is still with Belgium
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on December 28, 2019, 10:18:05 PM
Claudio Ranieri? Roberto Martinez?

The same Ranieri that took Fulham down? That one? No ta
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2019, 10:18:26 PM
I’d be looking at the Leipzig manager.

Lots of reasons he wouldn’t come here but lots he would

They're top of Bundesliga and have winnable game v Spurs in last 16 of CL. Interested in the "lots he would" category!

Southampton got Ralph Hasselhuttl who also did well at Leipzig but he was out of work at the time.

That's the key, out of work dosen't mean you're rubbish so it's looking at the better candidates. Leandro Jardim and Marcelinho are two I'd seriously consider as they've recently achieved stuff at major european clubs.

Jardim won the league and got to CL semi finals in 16/17, Marcelinho finished 4th in La Liga and won copa del rey just last season. Better pedigrees than what Garde had.

Because Leipzig are, and always will be a stepping stone club and he might see the PL as being a better stepping stone at the moment than other options.

I’m clutching, granted.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on December 28, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
I’d be looking at the Leipzig manager.

Lots of reasons he wouldn’t come here but lots he would

They're top of Bundesliga and have winnable game v Spurs in last 16 of CL. Interested in the "lots he would" category!

Southampton got Ralph Hasselhuttl who also did well at Leipzig but he was out of work at the time.

That's the key, out of work dosen't mean you're rubbish so it's looking at the better candidates. Leandro Jardim and Marcelinho are two I'd seriously consider as they've recently achieved stuff at major european clubs.

Jardim won the league and got to CL semi finals in 16/17, Marcelinho finished 4th in La Liga and won copa del rey just last season. Better pedigrees than what Garde had.

Because Leipzig are, and always will be a stepping stone club and he might see the PL as being a better stepping stone at the moment than other options.

I’m clutching, granted.


I’d probably agree if they were 16th in the Bundesliga but they are top and in the last 16 of the Champions League. Bit more than clutching that
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2019, 10:21:54 PM
Ok, on reflection I’ll concede that it’s a bit ambitious.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 10:22:30 PM
I’d be looking at the Leipzig manager.

Lots of reasons he wouldn’t come here but lots he would

They're top of Bundesliga and have winnable game v Spurs in last 16 of CL. Interested in the "lots he would" category!

Southampton got Ralph Hasselhuttl who also did well at Leipzig but he was out of work at the time.

That's the key, out of work dosen't mean you're rubbish so it's looking at the better candidates. Leandro Jardim and Marcelinho are two I'd seriously consider as they've recently achieved stuff at major european clubs.

Jardim won the league and got to CL semi finals in 16/17, Marcelinho finished 4th in La Liga and won copa del rey just last season. Better pedigrees than what Garde had.

Because Leipzig are, and always will be a stepping stone club and he might see the PL as being a better stepping stone at the moment than other options.

I’m clutching, granted.

He won't leave this season. I thought Nagalsmann actually would be nailed on for Bayern Munich when he was at Hoffenheim but seems he wants to work his way up gradually and isn't in any rush. He's about six years younger than John Terry which gives an idea of what a ridiculously gifted coach he is.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 28, 2019, 10:23:31 PM
Claudio Ranieri? Roberto Martinez?

The same Ranieri that took Fulham down? That one? No ta

Also the same Ranieri that won the league with Leicester. He's a good manager. I'm not sure about it either but just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Steve67 on December 28, 2019, 10:25:48 PM
Isn't Pochetino technically on gardening leave as whoever tries to sign him have to pay a huge fee for him? Or is that a load of crap?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 10:27:47 PM
We will wave a bit of money at Tottenham and they will do as they're jolly well told.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 10:28:30 PM
Isn't Pochetino technically on gardening leave as whoever tries to sign him have to pay a huge fee for him? Or is that a load of crap?
The fact that he said he was open to offers would suggest the Golden Goodbye period is over.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2019, 10:29:06 PM
I’d be looking at German coaches to bring into the club at any level
, they have to do something like 10x the amount of hours to get their accreditation. Lots of very talented coaches coming through who have never kicked a ball in the top levels of football.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on December 28, 2019, 10:32:07 PM
Claudio Ranieri? Roberto Martinez?

The same Ranieri that took Fulham down? That one? No ta

Also the same Ranieri that won the league with Leicester. He's a good manager. I'm not sure about it either but just a suggestion.


He isn’t though. He fell on the leagues best back bone of that season in Schmeichel, Morgan, Kante,Mahrez and Vardy. He’s about as short term as it gets as well
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: danno on December 28, 2019, 10:34:02 PM
Isn't Pochetino technically on gardening leave as whoever tries to sign him have to pay a huge fee for him? Or is that a load of crap?

I read that he forfeits his £10 million pay off if he takes a premier league job before the end of the season. It's probably just newspaper nonsense, but if it was true it would mean he was open to offers just presumably not from English teams.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 28, 2019, 10:34:50 PM
If you going to pick on a manager's worst moments and at the same time dismiss their best moments then we'll never get anyone.  What's more if you were apply that to Smith, you'd conclude he's terrible.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2019, 10:35:14 PM
Chris Wilder. He's doing the business

Chris Wilder is what we all hoped to get with Dean Smith. Fan of the club. Up and coming manager. Zero fucks given when playing against supposedly bigger teams. Instead we have a bloke who’s becoming a delusional coward.
Why the fuck is he a coward?  I hate how that gets thrown about in here.  He's just a decent championship manager trying to find his feet in the hardest league in the world.  Stop calling him a coward you ungrateful ...

Ungrateful what? Show me professionally where he is being brave? Where he is sending his teams out to attack and take the game to the opponent. We just came off playing those world beaters; Southampton, Norwich and Watford. But for some world class keeping and a miraculous goal line clearance we would have lost all three. We were outplayed in all three. The possession and shot stats against us were fucking embarrassing. So professionally he’s a coward and not the brave manager we thought we were getting. And delusional. Listen to his press conferences. Any of them recently. How about a look in the mirror? It’s never, ever him. It’s always the ref, VAR, the players etc etc. It’s the definition of delusion when everyone else sees something completely differently. He’s a couple of defeats short of a full Paul Lambert at this stage.

I don’t want him fired. But it needs to be done because he’s become delusional and he’s lost his fucking balls as a manager.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Dinas_Caerdydd on December 28, 2019, 10:36:29 PM
too late I know of course but you should have plumped for Brenden Rodgers when he was on the market

with gritted teeth he should be the next England manager

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on December 28, 2019, 10:37:20 PM
I’m really not sure others would do better with this set of players, they really aren’t good enough.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 10:39:37 PM
Claudio Ranieri? Roberto Martinez?

The same Ranieri that took Fulham down? That one? No ta

Also the same Ranieri that won the league with Leicester. He's a good manager. I'm not sure about it either but just a suggestion.

He took over Sampdoria six weeks ago.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on December 28, 2019, 10:40:33 PM
I’m really not sure others would do better with this set of players, they really aren’t good enough.


Nah. I’m not having that. After 5 games we were purring what a bargain Engels looked, how Nakamba was Kante Mark 2 and what a lovely player Luiz looked.  Are we man for man a worse team than Sheffield United?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 10:40:40 PM
I’m really not sure others would do better with this set of players, they really aren’t good enough.
Its the direction of travel or momentum. What you saw today was the culmination of too many poor decisions.
The players and the team are getting worse.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Hockley Lion on December 28, 2019, 10:42:17 PM
I think Pochettino will wait for his money from Spurs for stabbing him in the back.

Wenger I think likes to control pretty much everything throughout a club. That might not be a bad thing though considering the shambles there has been for so long.

Dean should with sadness offer his resignation. He's had his chance. He'd be seen as a hero if he did just for getting us up. Doing what's best for the club he supports. Golden handshake, amicable departure etc etc.

Needs to go before the crowd start throwing cabbages which won't help team confidence.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 10:42:35 PM
too late I know of course but you should have plumped for Brenden Rodgers when he was on the market

with gritted teeth he should be the next England manager

I don't think there was ever a time when we could have got him. We could probably have nicked him when we went for Lambert, but the Liverpool job became available at the same time and so we were never going to get him. I don't think he would have managed us in the Championship.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mr woo on December 28, 2019, 10:45:53 PM
Poch ..Rafa or Big Sam

Big Sam being the nuke option as short term way to stay up.


...is the correct answer.   

 I'd worry about the financial acumen of anyone who says they will take relegation over rudimental football at this point.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 10:46:17 PM
I think Pochettino will wait for his money from Spurs for stabbing him in the back.


He is on the market, so he has had his money.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 10:48:17 PM
I’m really not sure others would do better with this set of players, they really aren’t good enough.


Nah. I’m not having that. After 5 games we were purring what a bargain Engels looked, how Nakamba was Kante Mark 2 and what a lovely player Luiz looked.  Are we man for man a worse team than Sheffield United?

They need some help. An experienced CM to tell Luiz when to sit in and when to push up would help him. A guy in the mould of Petrov would be a great pick up.

Matic had a decent game for Man. United tonight. In the slower games he's still a decent player so he's one I'd look to get in given Man. United want to get rid of him in January.

Think we also need to pick up an experienced CB as the two young ones were bullied by Troy Deeney today and Engels has really struggled without Mings.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: gpbarr on December 28, 2019, 10:50:20 PM
Poch would come if the owners gave him guarantees. He would see us a huge project but we still have a brand and the financial clout to compete.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: danno on December 28, 2019, 10:52:34 PM
Quote
The possibility of Pochettino’s arrival will continue to loom over Solskjaer but according to the Sunday Express, a clause in the Argentine’s deal could hold up his potential move to Old Trafford.

 The report claims that Pochettino would have to repay his £12.5 million compensation pay-off to Spurs if he agreed to manage another Premier League team before the end of the season.

It probably is bollocks though, I mean if you sack someone how can you then dictate what job they take next?  I've certainly not heard of it before.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: TheMalandro on December 28, 2019, 10:53:04 PM
Poch would come if the owners gave him guarantees. He would see us a huge project but we still have a brand and the financial clout to compete.

What's that in your drink?  Ah! molly!
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 28, 2019, 10:54:18 PM
Can we put the Poch thing to bed please. He wants to go to a club that will win him a trophy. Sadly that is not us at the moment.

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2019, 10:54:43 PM
Quote
The possibility of Pochettino’s arrival will continue to loom over Solskjaer but according to the Sunday Express, a clause in the Argentine’s deal could hold up his potential move to Old Trafford.

 The report claims that Pochettino would have to repay his £12.5 million compensation pay-off to Spurs if he agreed to manage another Premier League team before the end of the season.

It probably is bollocks though, I mean if you sack someone how can you then dictate what job they take next?  I've certainly not heard of it before.
It could be a compensation clause but I doubt it is anything like reported.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 28, 2019, 10:55:14 PM
Yeah imagine thinking you could take one of the wealthiest clubs on the planet to a trophy, when only giants like Wigan, Swansea and Small Heath have managed in recent years.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on December 28, 2019, 10:57:06 PM
Chris Wilder. He's doing the business

Chris Wilder is what we all hoped to get with Dean Smith. Fan of the club. Up and coming manager. Zero fucks given when playing against supposedly bigger teams. Instead we have a bloke who’s becoming a delusional coward.
Why the fuck is he a coward?  I hate how that gets thrown about in here.  He's just a decent championship manager trying to find his feet in the hardest league in the world.  Stop calling him a coward you ungrateful ...

Ungrateful what? Show me professionally where he is being brave? Where he is sending his teams out to attack and take the game to the opponent. We just came off playing those world beaters; Southampton, Norwich and Watford. But for some world class keeping and a miraculous goal line clearance we would have lost all three. We were outplayed in all three. The possession and shot stats against us were fucking embarrassing. So professionally he’s a coward and not the brave manager we thought we were getting. And delusional. Listen to his press conferences. Any of them recently. How about a look in the mirror? It’s never, ever him. It’s always the ref, VAR, the players etc etc. It’s the definition of delusion when everyone else sees something completely differently. He’s a couple of defeats short of a full Paul Lambert at this stage.

I don’t want him fired. But it needs to be done because he’s become delusional and he’s lost his fucking balls as a manager.
The fact he’s struggling to get his system to work does not. AMS him a coward.

We all knew from day one the recruitment team left him with a hopelessly light weight forward line.  Even if Wesley hadn’t been shit it was paper thin.  Add to that two of our best three players are injured and the rest of the squad was cobbled together from all over Europe.

He’s not a coward, he’s just struggling.  Why you have to lay on the hyperbole is beyond me, it’s almost like you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2019, 10:58:18 PM
Quote
The possibility of Pochettino’s arrival will continue to loom over Solskjaer but according to the Sunday Express, a clause in the Argentine’s deal could hold up his potential move to Old Trafford.

 The report claims that Pochettino would have to repay his £12.5 million compensation pay-off to Spurs if he agreed to manage another Premier League team before the end of the season.

It probably is bollocks though, I mean if you sack someone how can you then dictate what job they take next?  I've certainly not heard of it before.


Chelsea did it when they sacked Mourinho mid season.

You also have terms of dismissal when managers still get paid their weekly salary until they get another job (or until the end of the season) so that's why many managers take a few months in the sun and are in no rush to get back into the pressure cooker.

Pochettino isn't coming here. If we couldn't attract a world class manager when we were consistantly finishing 6th in the league we won't now even if we have good intentions.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 28, 2019, 11:03:04 PM
Chris Wilder. He's doing the business

Chris Wilder is what we all hoped to get with Dean Smith. Fan of the club. Up and coming manager. Zero fucks given when playing against supposedly bigger teams. Instead we have a bloke who’s becoming a delusional coward.
Why the fuck is he a coward?  I hate how that gets thrown about in here.  He's just a decent championship manager trying to find his feet in the hardest league in the world.  Stop calling him a coward you ungrateful ...

Ungrateful what? Show me professionally where he is being brave? Where he is sending his teams out to attack and take the game to the opponent. We just came off playing those world beaters; Southampton, Norwich and Watford. But for some world class keeping and a miraculous goal line clearance we would have lost all three. We were outplayed in all three. The possession and shot stats against us were fucking embarrassing. So professionally he’s a coward and not the brave manager we thought we were getting. And delusional. Listen to his press conferences. Any of them recently. How about a look in the mirror? It’s never, ever him. It’s always the ref, VAR, the players etc etc. It’s the definition of delusion when everyone else sees something completely differently. He’s a couple of defeats short of a full Paul Lambert at this stage.

I don’t want him fired. But it needs to be done because he’s become delusional and he’s lost his fucking balls as a manager.
The fact he’s struggling to get his system to work does not. AMS him a coward.

We all knew from day one the recruitment team left him with a hopelessly light weight forward line.  Even if Wesley hadn’t been shit it was paper thin.  Add to that two of our best three players are injured and the rest of the squad was cobbled together from all over Europe.

He’s not a coward, he’s just struggling.  Why you have to lay on the hyperbole is beyond me, it’s almost like you enjoy it.

It never ceases to amaze me how personal people get towards managers.
Nature of the beast I suppose.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Dinas_Caerdydd on December 28, 2019, 11:03:50 PM
too late I know of course but you should have plumped for Brenden Rodgers when he was on the market

with gritted teeth he should be the next England manager

I don't think there was ever a time when we could have got him. We could probably have nicked him when we went for Lambert, but the Liverpool job became available at the same time and so we were never going to get him. I don't think he would have managed us in the Championship.

maybe steve gerrard would be a good shout too but I think he has just signed an extension up in Scotland . to me aston villa would be a plum job for him and plays the right way too
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: brentastonb6 on December 28, 2019, 11:05:44 PM
Given the names on the realistic list aren’t we better sticking with the bloke who got us up a matter of months ago. I’d give him the season and if we go down then we regroup.
How many of us hate it when a club gets relegated and players jump ship ? We say things like “should have at least given a season to try and get the team back up etc”  well I’m all for sticking with Smith too . Yes at present it might be heart over head but how many of us in life go through a tough patch and come out stronger ? He’s not a fool so hopefully he will too.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ROBBO on December 28, 2019, 11:07:09 PM
How can you continue to send the same players out playing the same system that is continually failing. We have been badly caught out again by buying a load of players that are new to the Premiership when will management learn. We do have three or four very good players and there are some that can be useful but we miss that hard premiership experience and it shows. I am bemused by the stubbornness of Smith to keep playing Wesley, it really dictates the way we play and it isn't working.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 28, 2019, 11:07:33 PM
maybe steve gerrard would be a good shout too but I think he has just signed an extension up in Scotland . to me aston villa would be a plum job for him and plays the right way too
I don't want to swap a guy with half a season of Premier League managerial experience for a guy with zero Premier League managerial experience.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: brontebilly on December 28, 2019, 11:09:20 PM
I’m really not sure others would do better with this set of players, they really aren’t good enough.

Some of them have potential but are completely lost at the moment, we are a disorganised rabble so it's hard to stand out and easy to hide. In fairness to Smith, most of them are either sinking or hiding.

But I've given up on Wesley, Targett, Jota and Trez. While Lansbury, Taylor, Kodjia should be nowhere near a top division squad. A new manager and 3/4 new players needed asap.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: andyh on December 28, 2019, 11:10:48 PM
Can we put the Poch thing to bed please. He wants to go to a club that will win him a trophy. Sadly that is not us at the moment.


Errrrrr Carabao cup semi finalist says hello.

Oh, ok then.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 28, 2019, 11:20:18 PM
Marco Rose, got his team performing well or is it a case of a small cog in a fairly well oiled machine and when you take it out it doesn’t work on its own.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 28, 2019, 11:22:28 PM
Apologies, thought he was Salzburg manager
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: brontebilly on December 28, 2019, 11:22:39 PM
It's Benitez all day for me. I get the Purslow history issue but that aside it's a good fit for coach and club. Surprised West Ham haven't gone for him
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2019, 11:26:13 PM
How can you continue to send the same players out playing the same system that is continually failing.

This is what gets me.

I find myself wanting to scream IT ISN'T FUCKING WORKING but it's largely unchanged every week.

Sure, he might juggle around heads in midfield or swap AEG or Trezeguet around, but 433 or whatever the fuck it was today, with Jack out left just doesn't fucking work.

I feel like we are burning points and matches waiting for something to click.

It is a bit like Bruce. He didn't understand tactics so would just 'gee the lads up, send them out' and wait as long as it took until it clicked a bit and they went on a run.

It's all so fucking brainless, this is the last thing I expected from Smith, the last thing.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: IFWaters on December 28, 2019, 11:26:53 PM
Jokanovic

OK he got the sack at Fulham but everyone deserves a second chance....
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: brontebilly on December 28, 2019, 11:40:12 PM
How can you continue to send the same players out playing the same system that is continually failing.

This is what gets me.

I find myself wanting to scream IT ISN'T FUCKING WORKING but it's largely unchanged every week.

Sure, he might juggle around heads in midfield or swap AEG or Trezeguet around, but 433 or whatever the fuck it was today, with Jack out left just doesn't fucking work.

I feel like we are burning points and matches waiting for something to click.

It is a bit like Bruce. He didn't understand tactics so would just 'gee the lads up, send them out' and wait as long as it took until it clicked a bit and they went on a run.

It's all so fucking brainless, this is the last thing I expected from Smith, the last thing.

Sure Smith was at the same craic last year when Grealish was out. Refused to change tactics and didn't we drift to 13th in the table before that Derby game? Brentford fans warned the same when he came in.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 28, 2019, 11:41:42 PM

Benitez to me is more realistic given he's said he'll manage in the premier league again. Bit of a problem though he's worked before with Suso and Purslow and didn't get on with either.

I'm not sure £12m a year is realistic to be honest.


F*ck me, PWS has just turned down the Villa job because he wants more than twelve million a year  ;D
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 28, 2019, 11:51:59 PM
It's not all about money though, no manager like Dyche will drop down the table to come to us and big names with CL experience probably see us as a but of a basket case still....with a bang average squad.

Dyche might think he has taken Burnley as far as he can and might fancy the Villa job. SGT gave up a job for life at Watford and dropped a division to manage The Villa.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on December 28, 2019, 11:56:35 PM
I’m really not sure others would do better with this set of players, they really aren’t good enough.


Nah. I’m not having that. After 5 games we were purring what a bargain Engels looked, how Nakamba was Kante Mark 2 and what a lovely player Luiz looked.  Are we man for man a worse team than Sheffield United?

They've had a few seasons to gel as a team. We've had 5 months.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2019, 11:59:43 PM
I'd hope that with owners richer than Scrooge McDuck we'll be a bit more ambitious than Sean can't clear his throat Dyche.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2019, 12:01:51 AM
I’m really not sure others would do better with this set of players, they really aren’t good enough.


Nah. I’m not having that. After 5 games we were purring what a bargain Engels looked, how Nakamba was Kante Mark 2 and what a lovely player Luiz looked.  Are we man for man a worse team than Sheffield United?

They've had a few seasons to gel as a team. We've had 5 months.

So our plan should be sign a load of division 3 players, play in division 3 and 2 for a few years and then we'll be good enough for the top flight?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: wozwebs on December 29, 2019, 12:06:47 AM
Usually the players have tweeted or posted on IG by now. The usual Steve Bruce ‘we go again, thanks for your support’ messages. Tonight, nothing. Wonder if something is afoot? For me I would give him the window and potentially to the end of the season but will the owners risk it?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 12:07:29 AM
I'd hope that with owners richer than Scrooge McDuck we'll be a bit more ambitious than Sean can't clear his throat Dyche.
Agree, credit where its due but fuck is this the limit of our ambition?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2019, 12:07:33 AM
I’m really not sure others would do better with this set of players, they really aren’t good enough.


Nah. I’m not having that. After 5 games we were purring what a bargain Engels looked, how Nakamba was Kante Mark 2 and what a lovely player Luiz looked.  Are we man for man a worse team than Sheffield United?

They've had a few seasons to gel as a team. We've had 5 months.

So our plan should be sign a load of division 3 players, play in division 3 and 2 for a few years and then we'll be good enough for the top flight?

Is that what I said?

If you have a system and way of playing, with players who are clear about their role in it, having done so for 3 years, then you can be successful.

We're trying to develop something in the hardest league in the world and it's not working. It's hardly a surprise, and I'm sure most would have been happy finishing 17th at the beginning of the season.

Now, if that's the target we're pretty close, admittedly however it's not going very well at all right now.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 29, 2019, 01:05:10 AM
Let's not forget that Henry was wanted but chose to take Monaco and Rui Faria was a wanted candidate but rejected the chance .
Dean Smith was I think if I'm right 3rd choice.
He suited the situation and was realistic for the time. And still is.
 Its clear football coaches , head coaches are wanted rather than managers.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Hockley Lion on December 29, 2019, 01:05:29 AM
But may have to pay 12m back. It's a pretty common business practice. A pal had one lasting 2 years.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: adrenachrome on December 29, 2019, 01:26:52 AM
How can you continue to send the same players out playing the same system that is continually failing.

This is what gets me.

I find myself wanting to scream IT ISN'T FUCKING WORKING but it's largely unchanged every week.

Sure, he might juggle around heads in midfield or swap AEG or Trezeguet around, but 433 or whatever the fuck it was today, with Jack out left just doesn't fucking work.

I feel like we are burning points and matches waiting for something to click.

It is a bit like Bruce. He didn't understand tactics so would just 'gee the lads up, send them out' and wait as long as it took until it clicked a bit and they went on a run.

It's all so fucking brainless, this is the last thing I expected from Smith, the last thing.

It's worked for him up until now, but he is new to the P.L. Adapt or die, the law of natural selection. I think the owners were prepared for a rough ride. Could be wrong, of course.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Matt C on December 29, 2019, 01:45:25 AM
He looks like he’s been spooked, lost his confidence, to me. In those early months of the season we were getting at teams, one of the leading scorers in the division if I recall, but we were just a bit naive. In trying to correct it he’s tried to make us more solid and all it’s done is reduce our attacking threat - we now create less chances which only serves to highlight our attack isn’t all that - to put it nicely - and our defensive games isn’t good enough to soak up pressure.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mr underhill on December 29, 2019, 07:57:32 AM
The weird thing is, I can see Pearson getting Watford mid-table. In many ways he laid the foundation for Leicester's title winning season. A right cnut mind,, but perhaps that's just what we need?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 29, 2019, 08:07:04 AM
Jardim is now available i think he is a really good manager
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: RichardBatchelor on December 29, 2019, 08:42:51 AM
He’s not a coward, he’s just struggling.  Why you have to lay on the hyperbole is beyond me, it’s almost like you enjoy it.
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This. Ridiculous accusation. Then again in the heat of the moment football gets us to say some daft things. I’ve been guilty of the ‘I never want to see (insert name here) in a Villa shirt ever again’ enough times.

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2019, 09:37:43 AM
We need a manager that can organise a back 4, understand how to not leave the side completely open through the middle, and exploit the attacking ability of Grealish, while attracting a couple of players up to that can actually score. We still lack pace horribly, we still don't run enough, we still don't close down crosses properly. Who that is I have no idea, but our owners have to sell the vision to whoever it is and make sure they know what they are doing. I would love Rafa but Purslow isn't going to do that. Poch is a pipe dream that just won't happen. I genuinely wonder whether Terry with an experienced number 2 might be a bit more motivating to the players.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: nigel on December 29, 2019, 09:52:58 AM
We need a manager that can organise a back 4, understand how to not leave the side completely open through the middle, and exploit the attacking ability of Grealish, while attracting a couple of players up to that can actually score. We still lack pace horribly, we still don't run enough, we still don't close down crosses properly. Who that is I have no idea, but our owners have to sell the vision to whoever it is and make sure they know what they are doing. I would love Rafa but Purslow isn't going to do that. Poch is a pipe dream that just won't happen. I genuinely wonder whether Terry with an experienced number 2 might be a bit more motivating to the players.

Don’t you think Terry is part of the problem, though?

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 10:20:18 AM
I have Never subscribed to the idea that it’s the number 2 fault or assistants, you have to look at the person who has the authority and responsibility, in respect of the playing side of the club it’s Dean Smith.
Do you think Terry would make the same decisions that Smith is making? Very unlikely.
It’s the CEO job to work out what the fuck is going on and remedy it.
If they make a decision quickly then Terry is most likely to have an interim role, for how long that is anybody’s guess.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Rigadon on December 29, 2019, 10:38:30 AM
Whoever it is will still need a centre forward and a few other players.  It’s a shame we missed out of Ancelloti.  Not saying he’d definitely have come, but it’s that kind of ilk we should be after.  There was such good vibes with Smith so it’s a massive shame it’s not working out.  It would be hugely depressing to end up with a Moyes or Allardyce having sacked Smith.  I guess the best from the suggested bunch in the poll would be Wenger.  That kind of manager would go some way to repair the disappointment of smith having to leave. 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2019, 10:39:52 AM
Center Forward, Wide man, Center Mid. Those are key for a new manager. Guilbert was fine and Targett can fuck off for Hause.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Rigadon on December 29, 2019, 10:42:45 AM
Oh, and please no more unknown gambles like Remi fucking Garde. 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: MalcolmP on December 29, 2019, 10:48:52 AM
Oh, and please no more unknown gambles like Remi fucking Garde. 
Yes, we need to go for a Manager with an impressive CV and Premier League experience like Manual Pellegrini because that worked so well at West Ham !!
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: DB on December 29, 2019, 11:11:12 AM
A binary view of getting a replacement.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Des Little on December 29, 2019, 11:16:20 AM
If we are to make a change, it should be with one thing in mind and nothing else - survival. I don’t give a tinkers cuss about playing it out from the back, all I want from this next 5 months is winning football, by any means.

If that means Allardyce coming in to organise and ruffle a few feathers, so be it. I’ll bet the appointment of Pearson went down like a shit sandwich with Watford fans, but fcuk me they’re looking a lot better now with him in charge.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villan82 on December 29, 2019, 11:38:59 AM
If we are to make a change, it should be with one thing in mind and nothing else - survival. I don’t give a tinkers cuss about playing it out from the back, all I want from this next 5 months is winning football, by any means.

If that means Allardyce coming in to organise and ruffle a few feathers, so be it. I’ll bet the appointment of Pearson went down like a shit sandwich with Watford fans, but fcuk me they’re looking a lot better now with him in charge.

This. I think some villa fans look back on the Championship years with rose-tinted glasses. Aside from the 10-game run it was absolutely shit. Have a bad weak in the championship and one of your rivals could have climbed 9 points clear of you. No, the championship was soul destroying and would cause the club to lose Grealish, Mings and McGinn. We got out of that quagmire and should do everything we possibly can to avoid ending up there again.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ROBBO on December 29, 2019, 11:41:32 AM
Not advocating Allardyce but I do like the players to a bit scared of the manager.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 29, 2019, 11:44:42 AM
I don't think Smith will be fired unless / until they have someone else lined up and ready to go.  The last thing we need is 2 or 3 weeks of fannying about trying to persuade people.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 11:48:23 AM
I don't think Smith will be fired unless / until they have someone else lined up and ready to go.  The last thing we need is 2 or 3 weeks of fannying about trying to persuade people.
It depends on whether they think he has lost the dressing room.They can not afford to write off the Burnley game.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 29, 2019, 11:51:01 AM
Whether there’s a change or not let’s hope the manager gets support and financial backing because whoever is in charge is going to need it.

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2019, 11:53:51 AM
I don't think Smith will be fired unless / until they have someone else lined up and ready to go.  The last thing we need is 2 or 3 weeks of fannying about trying to persuade people.
It depends on whether they think he has lost the dressing room.They can not afford to write off the Burnley game.

I'm writing off the Burnley game. We haven't won their since the Abdication Crisis, and this shower of shitebags don't seem the sort to reverse more than eighty years of history.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Mister E on December 29, 2019, 11:55:01 AM
Let's not forget that Henry was wanted but chose to take Monaco and Rui Faria was a wanted candidate but rejected the chance .
Dean Smith was I think if I'm right 3rd choice.
He suited the situation and was realistic for the time. And still is.
 Its clear football coaches , head coaches are wanted rather than managers.

Where is your usual sign-off: in Dean we trust?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: David_Nab on December 29, 2019, 11:55:24 AM
If we are to make a change, it should be with one thing in mind and nothing else - survival. I don’t give a tinkers cuss about playing it out from the back, all I want from this next 5 months is winning football, by any means.

If that means Allardyce coming in to organise and ruffle a few feathers, so be it. I’ll bet the appointment of Pearson went down like a shit sandwich with Watford fans, but fcuk me they’re looking a lot better now with him in charge.

This. I think some villa fans look back on the Championship years with rose-tinted glasses. Aside from the 10-game run it was absolutely shit. Have a bad weak in the championship and one of your rivals could have climbed 9 points clear of you. No, the championship was soul destroying and would cause the club to lose Grealish, Mings and McGinn. We got out of that quagmire and should do everything we possibly can to avoid ending up there again.

This
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Brassneck on December 29, 2019, 11:55:48 AM
Not advocating Allardyce but I do like the players to a bit scared of the manager.

I honestly believe that the PL has outgrown the likes of Allerdyce.

Looking at realistic options to potentially replace Smith, I see it as just as much of a gamble to twist rather than stick.  Every game we lose hereafter though is another nail in his coffin.  Currently I'm just about onside but Burnley may tilt it for me.  I see no reason to believe that we're going to be any different there.

In a worst case scenario, should we go down, we will have the parachute payments plus money from Grealish, Mings and probably SJM.  We did get promoted too soon but it will enable us to rebuild properly.

Jack looked pissed off and frustrated yesterday.  I think it may be a battle to keep hold of him in the Summer regardless of where we're playing. 

On a tangent, I wonder who is responsible for all of these signings?  Certainly, the system at Brentford is working a lot better than what we've seen so from last summer.  3 Brentford managers on the trot are getting tunes out of bargain basement players.  Smith thrived on it yet is struggling with the budget he had in the summer.  Signing 2 mediocre players from one club stinks as well.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mr underhill on December 29, 2019, 11:59:08 AM
I don't think the championship was shit to be honest. It was entertaining and largely enjoyable for me as someone who hadn't been that regularly for a few years. Of course there were low points but by and large it was fun and novel seeing us win. Since Smith arrived the ground has been mostly full or nearly full, so the atmosphere is no different to how it is in the PL. It's certainly no fun being the top table's whipping boys, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 11:59:40 AM
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Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Mister E on December 29, 2019, 12:03:51 PM
FWIW, I don't think Smith will be going anywhere: the club appears to want stability and continuity; hence the recent 4 year deal. We're 2-3 points off safety and the plan is - I think - to get through the first season and then buy progressively better players to start competing more effectively.
That said, we're not doing the basics right - which is very much in Smith's balliwick - and so the best acquisition would be a new coach with deep Premier League experience, to work with Smith.
We need the whole team (i) to play with some passion and commitment, (ii) defend better and with greater awareness of what's going on around each player, and (iii) move the ball more quickly and accurately.

I personally would like to see a change in manager because it seems the squad has lost faith with Smith's approach. The ideal replacement would be a successful European manager-coach, but would any of the realistic candidates be able to make the right impact early enough. So, it may have to be a short-term appointment of someone like Hughton to keep us up, with a review and possible replacement in the summer.
 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villan82 on December 29, 2019, 12:05:53 PM
I don't think the championship was shit to be honest. It was entertaining and largely enjoyable for me as someone who hadn't been that regularly for a few years. Of course there were low points but by and large it was fun and novel seeing us win. Since Smith arrived the ground has been mostly full or nearly full, so the atmosphere is no different to how it is in the PL. It's certainly no fun being the top table's whipping boys, that's for sure.

I want villa to be successful. I respect your view but I disagree and feel another stint in the championship, this time without Jack, would be seriously depressing.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 29, 2019, 12:11:03 PM
I don't think the championship was shit to be honest. It was entertaining and largely enjoyable for me as someone who hadn't been that regularly for a few years. Of course there were low points but by and large it was fun and novel seeing us win. Since Smith arrived the ground has been mostly full or nearly full, so the atmosphere is no different to how it is in the PL. It's certainly no fun being the top table's whipping boys, that's for sure.

I want villa to be successful. I respect your view but I disagree and feel another stint in the championship, this time without Jack, would be seriously depressing.

I agree, we go down and it will be a very long time coming before we bounce back, if ever, look how long it took this time, even then we didn't get the auto spots, we have to hold on.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 29, 2019, 12:26:06 PM
I don't think the championship was shit to be honest. It was entertaining and largely enjoyable for me as someone who hadn't been that regularly for a few years. Of course there were low points but by and large it was fun and novel seeing us win. Since Smith arrived the ground has been mostly full or nearly full, so the atmosphere is no different to how it is in the PL. It's certainly no fun being the top table's whipping boys, that's for sure.

It's the same as any other league. We had long winless runs there let's not forget like in 16/17 which was largely a horrible season, 17/18 was better apart from the final game and last season had the epic run in but we were pretty poor for most of the period before that.

I was enjoying us in the prem up to start of December. We were competitive in pretty much every game bar away ones like Wolves and Man. City. The Leicester game has totally changed it and since that match we've looked like a championship side. Also reflected in the 11s we've started putting out since a couple of injuries have occurred.

Now we're in one of those depressing periods where we'll probably win once in three months as happened regularly under Lambert. I think we'll hit 19th rather than rise up to 17th in next few weeks.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 29, 2019, 12:35:26 PM
I don't think the championship was shit to be honest. It was entertaining and largely enjoyable for me as someone who hadn't been that regularly for a few years. Of course there were low points but by and large it was fun and novel seeing us win. Since Smith arrived the ground has been mostly full or nearly full, so the atmosphere is no different to how it is in the PL. It's certainly no fun being the top table's whipping boys, that's for sure.

It's the same as any other league. We had long winless runs there let's not forget like in 16/17 which was largely a horrible season, 17/18 was better apart from the final game and last season had the epic run in but we were pretty poor for most of the period before that.

I was enjoying us in the prem up to start of December. We were competitive in pretty much every game bar away ones like Wolves and Man. City. The Leicester game has totally changed it and since that match we've looked like a championship side. Also reflected in the 11s we've started putting out since a couple of injuries have occurred.

Now we're in one of those depressing periods where we'll probably win once in three months as happened regularly under Lambert. I think we'll hit 19th rather than rise up to 17th in next few weeks.

Last 23 games of last season we lost only 4, we had a good Jan transfer window and it worked, the squad is bedded in they fought a hard long promotion campaign and play off finals against difficult teams such as Leeds and WBA, we lost Tammy Abraham and got in Wes, who simply hasn't worked out, no experienced Premiership campaigners added to this squad to fatten it up and of course we have a manager who at best is a good Championship manager, you can't get blood from a stone and we won't get much more improvement out of Smith.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2019, 12:57:59 PM
Moyes to be announced West Ham manager tomorrow.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 01:01:36 PM
Moyes to be announced West Ham manager tomorrow.
Thank fuck for that, can someone now super glue Allardices  and Puliss locks and jam their mobile signals.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2019, 01:02:37 PM
Moyes to be announced West Ham manager tomorrow.
Thank fuck for that, can someone now super glue Allardices  and Puliss locks and jam their mobile signals.

😁
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 29, 2019, 02:21:19 PM
Not advocating Allardyce but I do like the players to a bit scared of the manager.

I honestly believe that the PL has outgrown the likes of Allerdyce.

Looking at realistic options to potentially replace Smith, I see it as just as much of a gamble to twist rather than stick.  Every game we lose hereafter though is another nail in his coffin.  Currently I'm just about onside but Burnley may tilt it for me.  I see no reason to believe that we're going to be any different there.

In a worst case scenario, should we go down, we will have the parachute payments plus money from Grealish, Mings and probably SJM.  We did get promoted too soon but it will enable us to rebuild properly.

Jack looked pissed off and frustrated yesterday.  I think it may be a battle to keep hold of him in the Summer regardless of where we're playing. 

On a tangent, I wonder who is responsible for all of these signings?  Certainly, the system at Brentford is working a lot better than what we've seen so from last summer.  3 Brentford managers on the trot are getting tunes out of bargain basement players.  Smith thrived on it yet is struggling with the budget he had in the summer.  Signing 2 mediocre players from one club stinks as well.


Allardyce was ahead of his time with his American based sports science techniques at Bolton and I don't think there is anything to suggest he isn't as up with the times as any manager or coach in the Premier League. He just gets pidgeon holed as an old fashioned manager. As he once said himself if he was called Sam Allardichio and was from Italy instead of Dudley people would have a different view of him.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: algy on December 29, 2019, 02:30:32 PM
Not advocating Allardyce but I do like the players to a bit scared of the manager.

I honestly believe that the PL has outgrown the likes of Allerdyce.

Looking at realistic options to potentially replace Smith, I see it as just as much of a gamble to twist rather than stick.  Every game we lose hereafter though is another nail in his coffin.  Currently I'm just about onside but Burnley may tilt it for me.  I see no reason to believe that we're going to be any different there.

In a worst case scenario, should we go down, we will have the parachute payments plus money from Grealish, Mings and probably SJM.  We did get promoted too soon but it will enable us to rebuild properly.

Jack looked pissed off and frustrated yesterday.  I think it may be a battle to keep hold of him in the Summer regardless of where we're playing. 

On a tangent, I wonder who is responsible for all of these signings?  Certainly, the system at Brentford is working a lot better than what we've seen so from last summer.  3 Brentford managers on the trot are getting tunes out of bargain basement players.  Smith thrived on it yet is struggling with the budget he had in the summer.  Signing 2 mediocre players from one club stinks as well.


Allardyce was ahead of his time with his American based sports science techniques at Bolton and I don't think there is anything to suggest he isn't as up with the times as any manager or coach in the Premier League. He just gets pidgeon holed as an old fashioned manager. As he once said himself if he was called Sam Allardichio and was from Italy instead of Dudley people would have a different view of him.
My thoughts entirely on Big Sam. Back in the pre-Smith appointment I'd said Allardyce as a short term appointment with the intention of moving him to director of football would be an inspired move. I think he's exactly the sort of person you'd want to modernise a coaching set up
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 02:31:22 PM
Yes I would think he was a fat bloke with a strange accent for an Italian.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 29, 2019, 02:32:03 PM
Irrespective where he is from he is still an arrogant wankers who was caught with his hand in the till.

That sort of stench stays with you, hence no job offers since England.

Rafa for me and tell him to bring Rondon with him
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 29, 2019, 02:38:43 PM
Irrespective where he is from he is still an arrogant wankers who was caught with his hand in the till.

That sort of stench stays with you, hence no job offers since England.

Rafa for me and tell him to bring Rondon with him


No job offers since England? Apart from saving both Crystal Palace and Everton from relegation and turning down the Huddersfield job? Three job offers (two of which he accepted and one he declined) in three years plus any others we might not know of.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: David_Nab on December 29, 2019, 02:42:44 PM
Recall us linked with Big Sam when last in the prem league thankfully we got in a more modern coach in Remi Garde ...

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Brassneck on December 29, 2019, 02:44:06 PM
Not advocating Allardyce but I do like the players to a bit scared of the manager.

I honestly believe that the PL has outgrown the likes of Allerdyce.

Looking at realistic options to potentially replace Smith, I see it as just as much of a gamble to twist rather than stick.  Every game we lose hereafter though is another nail in his coffin.  Currently I'm just about onside but Burnley may tilt it for me.  I see no reason to believe that we're going to be any different there.

In a worst case scenario, should we go down, we will have the parachute payments plus money from Grealish, Mings and probably SJM.  We did get promoted too soon but it will enable us to rebuild properly.

Jack looked pissed off and frustrated yesterday.  I think it may be a battle to keep hold of him in the Summer regardless of where we're playing. 

On a tangent, I wonder who is responsible for all of these signings?  Certainly, the system at Brentford is working a lot better than what we've seen so from last summer.  3 Brentford managers on the trot are getting tunes out of bargain basement players.  Smith thrived on it yet is struggling with the budget he had in the summer.  Signing 2 mediocre players from one club stinks as well.


Allardyce was ahead of his time with his American based sports science techniques at Bolton and I don't think there is anything to suggest he isn't as up with the times as any manager or coach in the Premier League. He just gets pidgeon holed as an old fashioned manager. As he once said himself if he was called Sam Allardichio and was from Italy instead of Dudley people would have a different view of him.

Allerdyce is 65.  For every manager of his age that comes in and does well, there are 10 that fail (one [with a glittering track record] was sacked only last night).  Football is continually changing/advancing.  What worked 10/15 years ago will not do so today.  The 3 years that we have been out of the division have probably seen the most dramatic changes ever.

I have no idea what the answer is and would hate to be charged with making that decision but I do know that Allerdyce is not the answer.  Claiming that foreign managers succeed because of pretty sounding names is not correct either - Just as many of them fail as well.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ez on December 29, 2019, 02:52:49 PM
Moyes to be announced West Ham manager tomorrow.

I expect they'll get a bit of new manager bounce which is bad news for us.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 29, 2019, 02:53:47 PM
Not advocating Allardyce but I do like the players to a bit scared of the manager.

I honestly believe that the PL has outgrown the likes of Allerdyce.

Looking at realistic options to potentially replace Smith, I see it as just as much of a gamble to twist rather than stick.  Every game we lose hereafter though is another nail in his coffin.  Currently I'm just about onside but Burnley may tilt it for me.  I see no reason to believe that we're going to be any different there.

In a worst case scenario, should we go down, we will have the parachute payments plus money from Grealish, Mings and probably SJM.  We did get promoted too soon but it will enable us to rebuild properly.

Jack looked pissed off and frustrated yesterday.  I think it may be a battle to keep hold of him in the Summer regardless of where we're playing. 

On a tangent, I wonder who is responsible for all of these signings?  Certainly, the system at Brentford is working a lot better than what we've seen so from last summer.  3 Brentford managers on the trot are getting tunes out of bargain basement players.  Smith thrived on it yet is struggling with the budget he had in the summer.  Signing 2 mediocre players from one club stinks as well.


Allardyce was ahead of his time with his American based sports science techniques at Bolton and I don't think there is anything to suggest he isn't as up with the times as any manager or coach in the Premier League. He just gets pidgeon holed as an old fashioned manager. As he once said himself if he was called Sam Allardichio and was from Italy instead of Dudley people would have a different view of him.

Allerdyce is 65.  For every manager of his age that comes in and does well, there are 10 that fail (one [with a glittering track record] was sacked only last night).  Football is continually changing/advancing.  What worked 10/15 years ago will not do so today.  The 3 years that we have been out of the division have probably seen the most dramatic changes ever.

I have no idea what the answer is and would hate to be charged with making that decision but I do know that Allerdyce is not the answer.  Claiming that foreign managers succeed because of pretty sounding names is not correct either - Just as many of them fail as well.


It doesn't matter what did or didn't work for Allardyce 10/15 years ago. I am more interested in what worked when he kept Palace and Everton up in the last three years. Both of whom looked doomed until he rocked up.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Bad English on December 29, 2019, 02:57:47 PM
Is he now 'Big Sam' and not 'Fat Sam'?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 03:05:15 PM
Is he now 'Big Sam' and not 'Fat Sam'?
Big Fat Sam
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Des Little on December 29, 2019, 03:12:27 PM
I get the impression that some people don’t quite get the ramifications of us getting relegated. To say that the Championship was bearable because we won a few games and tickets were easier to get makes me just as worried as what I saw yesterday.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: john e on December 29, 2019, 03:16:03 PM
I get the impression that some people don’t quite get the ramifications of us getting relegated. To say that the Championship was bearable because we won a few games and tickets were easier to get makes me just as worried as what I saw yesterday.

Tickets were easier to get though   😀
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Brassneck on December 29, 2019, 03:16:17 PM
Not advocating Allardyce but I do like the players to a bit scared of the manager.

I honestly believe that the PL has outgrown the likes of Allerdyce.

Looking at realistic options to potentially replace Smith, I see it as just as much of a gamble to twist rather than stick.  Every game we lose hereafter though is another nail in his coffin.  Currently I'm just about onside but Burnley may tilt it for me.  I see no reason to believe that we're going to be any different there.

In a worst case scenario, should we go down, we will have the parachute payments plus money from Grealish, Mings and probably SJM.  We did get promoted too soon but it will enable us to rebuild properly.

Jack looked pissed off and frustrated yesterday.  I think it may be a battle to keep hold of him in the Summer regardless of where we're playing. 

On a tangent, I wonder who is responsible for all of these signings?  Certainly, the system at Brentford is working a lot better than what we've seen so from last summer.  3 Brentford managers on the trot are getting tunes out of bargain basement players.  Smith thrived on it yet is struggling with the budget he had in the summer.  Signing 2 mediocre players from one club stinks as well.


Allardyce was ahead of his time with his American based sports science techniques at Bolton and I don't think there is anything to suggest he isn't as up with the times as any manager or coach in the Premier League. He just gets pidgeon holed as an old fashioned manager. As he once said himself if he was called Sam Allardichio and was from Italy instead of Dudley people would have a different view of him.

Allerdyce is 65.  For every manager of his age that comes in and does well, there are 10 that fail (one [with a glittering track record] was sacked only last night).  Football is continually changing/advancing.  What worked 10/15 years ago will not do so today.  The 3 years that we have been out of the division have probably seen the most dramatic changes ever.

I have no idea what the answer is and would hate to be charged with making that decision but I do know that Allerdyce is not the answer.  Claiming that foreign managers succeed because of pretty sounding names is not correct either - Just as many of them fail as well.


It doesn't matter what did or didn't work for Allardyce 10/15 years ago. I am more interested in what worked when he kept Palace and Everton up in the last three years. Both of whom looked doomed until he rocked up.
I think it's wrong to claim that he kept Everton up as they were never in any real danger of going down.  He was also terminated early from that contract.  I'll give you Palace though. 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Flin5tone on December 29, 2019, 03:18:48 PM
For me this isn't a time for style or a fancy name we need a Sam Allardyce type on a short contract until the end of the season. Keeps us up one final big pay day, leaves the game on a high and then we get a new 'head coach' in
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Post by: Des Little on December 29, 2019, 03:21:07 PM
Didn’t he also keep Sunderland up when they were seemingly dead and buried?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: john e on December 29, 2019, 03:22:29 PM
in the past we have gone from managers who have different styles so they have to bring in a whole bunch of players to suit their style

I thought the whole reason for the behind the scenes team was to put a consistent football style down no matter who the manager was
that style was the football Smith started off playing,
if he’s changed surely we go for someone with those principles but just better at producing it rather than starting all over again with a different method and new players to fit
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: David_Nab on December 29, 2019, 03:26:05 PM
Didn’t he also keep Sunderland up when they were seemingly dead and buried?

Yup , he left for the England job after they stayed up and was replaced with Moyes who took them down.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Brassneck on December 29, 2019, 03:26:28 PM
For me this isn't a time for style or a fancy name we need a Sam Allardyce type on a short contract until the end of the season. Keeps us up one final big pay day, leaves the game on a high and then we get a new 'head coach' in

I don't think any of us would sacrifice PL safety for "style".  The question is, would Allerdyce be able to hit the ground running and provide a quick fix?  Personally, I don't think he would.
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Post by: pipe on December 29, 2019, 03:30:14 PM
England Manager caught taking bungs and saying how to work the system. Have we really sunk that that low?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Flin5tone on December 29, 2019, 03:35:14 PM
For me this isn't a time for style or a fancy name we need a Sam Allardyce type on a short contract until the end of the season. Keeps us up one final big pay day, leaves the game on a high and then we get a new 'head coach' in

I don't think any of us would sacrifice PL safety for "style".  The question is, would Allerdyce be able to hit the ground running and provide a quick fix?  Personally, I don't think he would.

He has a pretty decent record.  we need a short term fix and then start over again , retaining our best players with PL status
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 29, 2019, 03:40:53 PM
For me this isn't a time for style or a fancy name we need a Sam Allardyce type on a short contract until the end of the season. Keeps us up one final big pay day, leaves the game on a high and then we get a new 'head coach' in

I don't think any of us would sacrifice PL safety for "style".  The question is, would Allerdyce be able to hit the ground running and provide a quick fix?  Personally, I don't think he would.

He has a pretty decent record.  we need a short term fix and then start over again , retaining our best players with PL status

All 4 of our best players.
The rest can go to The Championship where quite honestly they'd still struggle.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ez on December 29, 2019, 03:42:26 PM
For me this isn't a time for style or a fancy name we need a Sam Allardyce type on a short contract until the end of the season. Keeps us up one final big pay day, leaves the game on a high and then we get a new 'head coach' in

I don't think any of us would sacrifice PL safety for "style".  The question is, would Allerdyce be able to hit the ground running and provide a quick fix?  Personally, I don't think he would.

He has a pretty decent record.  we need a short term fix and then start over again , retaining our best players with PL status

Looking at it another way. What would our fellow strugglers prefer us to to do. Stick with Smith or get Allardyce in? I reckon they would say stick with Smith all day long.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 29, 2019, 03:46:05 PM
I don't believe the owners are even contemplating a new manager.   I think they have confidence - rightly or wrongly - that they have the right man for the job already, hence the new contract he has just been awarded.  And I would therefore think they have the funds lined up to spend on new players needed to keep us in this league.  Whether it will work is a different matter, but I'd be happier to see us to do things this way than another.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Flin5tone on December 29, 2019, 03:48:15 PM
For me this isn't a time for style or a fancy name we need a Sam Allardyce type on a short contract until the end of the season. Keeps us up one final big pay day, leaves the game on a high and then we get a new 'head coach' in

I don't think any of us would sacrifice PL safety for "style".  The question is, would Allerdyce be able to hit the ground running and provide a quick fix?  Personally, I don't think he would.

He has a pretty decent record.  we need a short term fix and then start over again , retaining our best players with PL status

All 4 of our best players.
The rest can go to The Championship where quite honestly they'd still struggle.

I think the players are more than capable, we wasn't winning games before this dreadful run but we were competing , we took it to the big boys and were never embarrassed .That has all changed because of poor tactics

We have a solid spine to the team, new manager,new ideas and get a striker in and we might just stay up. I think the owners have a big decision to make and it needs to happen ASAP 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Brassneck on December 29, 2019, 03:49:56 PM
For me this isn't a time for style or a fancy name we need a Sam Allardyce type on a short contract until the end of the season. Keeps us up one final big pay day, leaves the game on a high and then we get a new 'head coach' in

I don't think any of us would sacrifice PL safety for "style".  The question is, would Allerdyce be able to hit the ground running and provide a quick fix?  Personally, I don't think he would.

He has a pretty decent record.  we need a short term fix and then start over again , retaining our best players with PL status

Looking at it another way. What would our fellow strugglers prefer us to to do. Stick with Smith or get Allardyce in? I reckon they would say stick with Smith all day long.

They'd prefer us to stick with Smith than replace him with most other managers to be fair, not just because it's Allerdyce.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Rudy65 on December 29, 2019, 04:03:44 PM
England Manager caught taking bungs and saying how to work the system. Have we really sunk that that low?

I don’t think he was found guilty of anything other than having a big mouth
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Mister E on December 29, 2019, 04:42:56 PM
I don't believe the owners are even contemplating a new manager.   I think they have confidence - rightly or wrongly - that they have the right man for the job already, hence the new contract he has just been awarded.  And I would therefore think they have the funds lined up to spend on new players needed to keep us in this league.  Whether it will work is a different matter, but I'd be happier to see us to do things this way than another.
I agree, it is unlikely Smith will be going anywhere: the club appears to want stability and continuity; hence the recent 4 year deal. We're 2-3 points off safety and the plan is - I think - to get through the first season and then buy progressively better players to start competing more effectively.

That said, we're not doing the basics right - (i) play with some passion and commitment, (ii) defend better and with greater awareness of what's going on around each player, and (iii) move the ball more quickly and accurately - and so the best acquisition would be a new coach with deep Premier League experience, to work with Smith.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 29, 2019, 05:08:52 PM
Posted in the dean our thread also.
He’s been backed and won’t be going anywhere yet. 3/4 new players in jan with extra backing. Players been called into training today (was a day off). Response needed v Burnley now
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 05:10:49 PM
Posted in the dean our thread also.
He’s been backed and won’t be going anywhere yet. 3/4 new players in jan with extra backing. Players been called into training today (was a day off). Response needed v Burnley now
We are down.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 29, 2019, 05:12:52 PM
Posted in the dean our thread also.
He’s been backed and won’t be going anywhere yet. 3/4 new players in jan with extra backing. Players been called into training today (was a day off). Response needed v Burnley now

These extra 3/4 players need to be relatively proven. I thought Moreles was hopeless today, awful shooting and then did that awful dive at the end to get sent off yet again v Rangers so really hope we don't spend 20m + on him.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2019, 05:14:06 PM
Posted in the dean our thread also.
He’s been backed and won’t be going anywhere yet. 3/4 new players in jan with extra backing. Players been called into training today (was a day off). Response needed v Burnley now
We are down.

How far into the season are we? Where were we last season at this time?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ez on December 29, 2019, 05:26:17 PM
If Smith is staying i would hope the owners have among other things, a contingency plan in place for possible relegation and all it's knock on effects, otherwise they're making a massive assumption that we won't go down.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 05:27:42 PM
Posted in the dean our thread also.
He’s been backed and won’t be going anywhere yet. 3/4 new players in jan with extra backing. Players been called into training today (was a day off). Response needed v Burnley now
We are down.

How far into the season are we? Where were we last season at this time?
You obviously have access to the internet.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2019, 06:16:17 PM
Posted in the dean our thread also.
He’s been backed and won’t be going anywhere yet. 3/4 new players in jan with extra backing. Players been called into training today (was a day off). Response needed v Burnley now
We are down.

How far into the season are we? Where were we last season at this time?
You obviously have access to the internet.

So have you, and I'd guessed you can add up.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 06:19:33 PM
Posted in the dean our thread also.
He’s been backed and won’t be going anywhere yet. 3/4 new players in jan with extra backing. Players been called into training today (was a day off). Response needed v Burnley now
We are down.

How far into the season are we? Where were we last season at this time?
You obviously have access to the internet.

So have you, and I'd guessed you can add up.
Yes what sum do you need help with?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 29, 2019, 06:19:34 PM
The back of the Sun football pull out today had the table after twenty games in Lamberts first year. We only two points worse off so anything is possible if we remember how that season ended. But at the moment it's hard to be too optimistic.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Clampy on December 29, 2019, 06:21:59 PM
Posted in the dean our thread also.
He’s been backed and won’t be going anywhere yet. 3/4 new players in jan with extra backing. Players been called into training today (was a day off). Response needed v Burnley now
We are down.

How far into the season are we? Where were we last season at this time?
You obviously have access to the internet.

So have you, and I'd guessed you can add up.
Yes what sum do you need help with?

So, we are down then?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2019, 06:23:03 PM
Posted in the dean our thread also.
He’s been backed and won’t be going anywhere yet. 3/4 new players in jan with extra backing. Players been called into training today (was a day off). Response needed v Burnley now
We are down.

How far into the season are we? Where were we last season at this time?
You obviously have access to the internet.

So have you, and I'd guessed you can add up.
Yes what sum do you need help with?

The one that says we're down after 20 games when we're a point off the team above.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 29, 2019, 07:37:24 PM
If Smith is staying i would hope the owners have among other things, a contingency plan in place for possible relegation and all it's knock on effects, otherwise they're making a massive assumption that we won't go down.

A) they will be for sure looking at replacement options in case dean can’t turn this around this month. I would imagine some points targets in place as minimums
B) if worst case happened and we went down we would be ok mainly from the sales of Jack, McGinn and Mings. Circa £150m.
C) With option b and parachute payments we won’t even be close to ffp issues
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: CT Villan on December 29, 2019, 07:45:31 PM
England Manager caught taking bungs and saying how to work the system. Have we really sunk that that low?

No it could be way worse...we could have convicted tax criminals Ronaldo and Messi playing for us too. Thank goodness we dodged those bullets.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 29, 2019, 07:48:59 PM
Posted in the dean our thread also.
He’s been backed and won’t be going anywhere yet. 3/4 new players in jan with extra backing. Players been called into training today (was a day off). Response needed v Burnley now
We are down.

How far into the season are we? Where were we last season at this time?
You obviously have access to the internet.

So have you, and I'd guessed you can add up.
Yes what sum do you need help with?

So, we are down then?
Simon Jordan on Talksport just now reckons we are.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: CT on December 29, 2019, 08:02:31 PM
Ah well, if Simon Jordan says we're down, then we're down.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 08:09:01 PM
Ah well, if Simon Jordan says we're down, then we're down.
His description of the Porn stars was pretty accurate.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: tomd2103 on December 29, 2019, 09:02:28 PM
The back of the Sun football pull out today had the table after twenty games in Lamberts first year. We only two points worse off so anything is possible if we remember how that season ended. But at the moment it's hard to be too optimistic.

It does feel a bit like Lambert's first season to be honest.  I thought we were dead and buried after that run over Christmas and the two awful cup defeats that followed.  I really couldn't see a way out for us, but something clicked in the last few months of the season and we ended strongly. 

The one caveat to that though is that we had a quality striker in Benteke that season who really came into form in that second half of the season and Agbonlahor also found some form towards the end as well.  We don't have anywhere near the same quality in attack as it stands.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2019, 09:29:45 PM
The back of the Sun football pull out today had the table after twenty games in Lamberts first year. We only two points worse off so anything is possible if we remember how that season ended. But at the moment it's hard to be too optimistic.

Do you not have bog roll in your house?

Don't buy The Sun, FFS.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2019, 09:30:50 PM
If Smith is staying i would hope the owners have among other things, a contingency plan in place for possible relegation and all it's knock on effects, otherwise they're making a massive assumption that we won't go down.

A) they will be for sure looking at replacement options in case dean can’t turn this around this month. I would imagine some points targets in place as minimums
B) if worst case happened and we went down we would be ok mainly from the sales of Jack, McGinn and Mings. Circa £150m.
C) With option b and parachute payments we won’t even be close to ffp issues

No championship club would get £150m in transfer fees for 3 players.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: David_Nab on December 29, 2019, 09:33:19 PM
What we don't have currently is a quick outball , I watched the City / Shef United game and twice Shef United opened City up with a pass through the defence that was barely offside and a ball over the top for Moussett to run onto.

Thats what we always had with Gabby , right now we have no one playing off the shoulder of the defenders running at the goal.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 29, 2019, 09:40:54 PM
We have absolutely nooooo pace in the side and Jesus we could do with somebody that could give us that option.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Chipsticks on December 29, 2019, 09:53:54 PM
I cannot believe you lot are onto this thread.

I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.

If you've paid attention to any of Purslow's interviews, you'd know that we've begun a long-term project, with Smith at the heart of it.

We need some key additions in January and a plan B, not another several years of managerial roundabout.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Fred Crump on December 29, 2019, 09:57:39 PM
Well said.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villafirst on December 29, 2019, 10:24:33 PM
Well Moyes has gone to West Ham....
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Steve67 on December 29, 2019, 10:29:21 PM
Let's wait and see who they bring in and whether this allows Dean to be a bit more expansive with his formations.  I do think that he gets more slack because he's a Villa fan though.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 29, 2019, 10:33:25 PM
I cannot believe you lot are onto this thread.

I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.

If you've paid attention to any of Purslow's interviews, you'd know that we've begun a long-term project, with Smith at the heart of it.

We need some key additions in January and a plan B, not another several years of managerial roundabout.

Agreed
I bought into the long term project idea because I was fed up of Aston Villa being on the bloody managerial merry go round for years on end.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: DB on December 29, 2019, 10:34:42 PM
I cannot believe you lot are onto this thread.

I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.

If you've paid attention to any of Purslow's interviews, you'd know that we've begun a long-term project, with Smith at the heart of it.

We need some key additions in January and a plan B, not another several years of managerial roundabout.

No chance. Why risk going down to the Ch-ship and being stuck there again for God knows how long, lose out so much financially just to stand  by Smith. They will do what it takes to stay in Prem, as someone else has said they are very good businessmen.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2019, 10:36:53 PM
I cannot believe you lot are onto this thread.

I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.

If you've paid attention to any of Purslow's interviews, you'd know that we've begun a long-term project, with Smith at the heart of it.

We need some key additions in January and a plan B, not another several years of managerial roundabout.

Agreed
I bought into the long term project idea because I was fed up of Aston Villa being on the bloody managerial merry go round for years on end.

Jack Grealish is our future. We go down, he leaves. Long term project finished.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 29, 2019, 10:37:47 PM
I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.
Would you rather stay up with someone else or go down with Smith?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ROBBO on December 29, 2019, 10:40:31 PM
If his team selection had any logic to it I could agree but what he put out last game was pathetic, we had lost before the ball was kicked.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Small Rodent on December 29, 2019, 10:41:09 PM
I cannot believe you lot are onto this thread.

I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.

If you've paid attention to any of Purslow's interviews, you'd know that we've begun a long-term project, with Smith at the heart of it.

We need some key additions in January and a plan B, not another several years of managerial roundabout.

Agreed
I bought into the long term project idea because I was fed up of Aston Villa being on the bloody managerial merry go round for years on end.

Haven’t you seen that there is no plan B?

Haven’t you seen there is no reaction to events in the pitch?

Haven’t you seen our key player played out of position to the point of it frustrating him?

If you are looking forward to relegation with Smith in charge, then you are looking forward to relegation with our best midfielders in a long time leaving us.

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ROBBO on December 29, 2019, 10:50:56 PM
That's what I don't get in the argument that if we go down it's okay because we have a long term plan. Immediately we lose our best player in many years in Grealish then McGinn will be away followed by Mings how long do you think it would take us to recover from that?
If we go down we will be down for a good while possibly years unless anyone has a better plan than avoiding the drop I've yet to hear it.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Ketzster on December 29, 2019, 10:55:11 PM
I cannot believe you lot are onto this thread.

I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.

If you've paid attention to any of Purslow's interviews, you'd know that we've begun a long-term project, with Smith at the heart of it.

We need some key additions in January and a plan B, not another several years of managerial roundabout.

Agreed
I bought into the long term project idea because I was fed up of Aston Villa being on the bloody managerial merry go round for years on end.

Haven’t you seen that there is no plan B?

Haven’t you seen there is no reaction to events in the pitch?

Haven’t you seen our key player played out of position to the point of it frustrating him?

If you are looking forward to relegation with Smith in charge, then you are looking forward to relegation with our best midfielders in a long time leaving us.

Precisely, all of the same problems existed in the championship. This isn’t a new set of issues, they’re the same issues that were repeated week in, week out last season before he had a player who was way too good for the division come back and save him. If he had made tactical alterations or changes when we needed him to before Derby at home fair enough, but he did nothing. Just having Grealish available from then on masked all of Smiths weaknesses and he got out of jail. Smith gets a huge amount of credit when he actually didn’t really do very much. If Grealish had been out for the rest of last season, the dross that was served up from Leeds at home onwards would have carried on until the end of the season because there was no evidence of whatsoever of Smith having any idea of what to do. Basically exactly the same as what is happening now.

It’s worth giving a manager time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith most definitely is not the right one
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2019, 10:55:59 PM
I cannot believe you lot are onto this thread.

I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.

If you've paid attention to any of Purslow's interviews, you'd know that we've begun a long-term project, with Smith at the heart of it.

We need some key additions in January and a plan B, not another several years of managerial roundabout.

Agreed
I bought into the long term project idea because I was fed up of Aston Villa being on the bloody managerial merry go round for years on end.

Jack Grealish is our future. We go down, he leaves. Long term project finished.

Except nobody expected us to be promoted last season. And if we hadn't been he'd almost certainly have gone. Which means they had a plan with or without him.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mike on December 29, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
That's what I don't get in the argument that if we go down it's okay because we have a long term plan. Immediately we lose our best player in many years in Grealish then McGinn will be away followed by Mings how long do you think it would take us to recover from that?
If we go down we will be down for a good while possibly years unless anyone has a better plan than avoiding the drop I've yet to hear it.

Exactly. Stay up and we will be a decent side next year. Go down and we lose Grealish, McGinn and Mings AKA the beating heart of Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Ketzster on December 29, 2019, 10:57:12 PM
I cannot believe you lot are onto this thread.

I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.

If you've paid attention to any of Purslow's interviews, you'd know that we've begun a long-term project, with Smith at the heart of it.

We need some key additions in January and a plan B, not another several years of managerial roundabout.

Agreed
I bought into the long term project idea because I was fed up of Aston Villa being on the bloody managerial merry go round for years on end.

Haven’t you seen that there is no plan B?

Haven’t you seen there is no reaction to events in the pitch?

Haven’t you seen our key player played out of position to the point of it frustrating him?

If you are looking forward to relegation with Smith in charge, then you are looking forward to relegation with our best midfielders in a long time leaving us.

Precisely, all of the same problems existed in the championship. This isn’t a new set of issues, they’re the same issues that were repeated week in, week out last season before he had a player who was way too good for the division come back and save him. If he had made tactical alterations or changes when we needed him to before Derby at home fair enough, but he did nothing. Just having Grealish available from then on masked all of Smiths weaknesses and he got out of jail. Smith gets a huge amount of credit when he actually didn’t really do very much. If Grealish had been out for the rest of last season, the dross that was served up from Leeds at home onwards would have carried on until the end of the season because there was no evidence of whatsoever of Smith having any idea of what to do. Basically, exactly the same as what is happening now.

It’s worth giving a manager time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith most definitely is not the right one
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 29, 2019, 11:07:55 PM
Does anybody think Grealish will go at the end of the season regardless of which division we’re in?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 29, 2019, 11:13:45 PM
I cannot believe you lot are onto this thread.

I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.

If you've paid attention to any of Purslow's interviews, you'd know that we've begun a long-term project, with Smith at the heart of it.

We need some key additions in January and a plan B, not another several years of managerial roundabout.

Agreed
I bought into the long term project idea because I was fed up of Aston Villa being on the bloody managerial merry go round for years on end.

Haven’t you seen that there is no plan B?

Haven’t you seen there is no reaction to events in the pitch?

Haven’t you seen our key player played out of position to the point of it frustrating him?

If you are looking forward to relegation with Smith in charge, then you are looking forward to relegation with our best midfielders in a long time leaving us.

Precisely, all of the same problems existed in the championship. This isn’t a new set of issues, they’re the same issues that were repeated week in, week out last season before he had a player who was way too good for the division come back and save him. If he had made tactical alterations or changes when we needed him to before Derby at home fair enough, but he did nothing. Just having Grealish available from then on masked all of Smiths weaknesses and he got out of jail. Smith gets a huge amount of credit when he actually didn’t really do very much. If Grealish had been out for the rest of last season, the dross that was served up from Leeds at home onwards would have carried on until the end of the season because there was no evidence of whatsoever of Smith having any idea of what to do. Basically exactly the same as what is happening now.

It’s worth giving a manager time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith most definitely is not the right one
I thought the current owners were going to be "big hitters" with a determination to develop us into an "elite" club - ie thinking big
Dean Smith is " small time" and is presently showing he is not a Premier League Manager /Coach
He might be a great bloke and Villa fan  but is not the man to establish us back in the top league - I really can't comprehend why people will carry on supporting him if he takes us back down - we got lucky last year
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 29, 2019, 11:14:20 PM
If we were to appoint a top class manager, sign some good first teamers in January and then start improving I'm sure he'd stay.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2019, 11:15:44 PM
Does anybody think Grealish will go at the end of the season regardless of which division we’re in?

No. He'll go if we go down and stay if we don't.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 29, 2019, 11:20:31 PM
Does anybody think Grealish will go at the end of the season regardless of which division we’re in?

No. He'll go if we go down and stay if we don't.
I see the Meaning Evil is determined to see him off to Manure at the earliest opportunity ..........that "paper" really is a rag
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2019, 11:22:09 PM
It's a disgrace. I think my nan might be the only person in Birmingham who still buys the paper version. It's just an online "service" which operates on the basis of clicks for trolling.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 11:27:38 PM
I can not understand why anybody would rather us go down than Sack Smith.
It would be a disaster.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 29, 2019, 11:29:29 PM
It's a disgrace. I think my nan might be the only person in Birmingham who still buys the paper version. It's just an online "service" which operates on the basis of clicks for trolling.
I believe it  is a "sister" paper of the Liverpool Echo ( Mirror Group) which is equally as poor - in paper or on -line formats.
As you rightly state it's all click bait nonsense
Having said that, despite living on Merseyside since 1995 I get my "fill" of Brum related " news" via the Meaning Evil site :(
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: andyh on December 29, 2019, 11:30:40 PM
I can not understand why anybody would rather us go down than Sack Smith.
It would be a disaster.
Because he’s fam, innit bruv.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2019, 11:30:43 PM
I can understand people still fully backing DS, but i'll never understand saying keep him regardless and I certainly hope the club don't have that mentality.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2019, 11:33:18 PM
It's a disgrace. I think my nan might be the only person in Birmingham who still buys the paper version. It's just an online "service" which operates on the basis of clicks for trolling.
I believe it  is a "sister" paper of the Liverpool Echo ( Mirror Group) which is equally as poor - in paper or on -line formats.
As you rightly state it's all click bait nonsense
Having said that, despite living on Merseyside since 1995 I get my "fill" of Brum related " news" via the Meaning Evil site :(

You only need the "Birmingham News" thread in Off Topic. If it doesn't get mentioned in there, it isn't worth mentioning. 😊
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 29, 2019, 11:38:52 PM
It's a disgrace. I think my nan might be the only person in Birmingham who still buys the paper version. It's just an online "service" which operates on the basis of clicks for trolling.
I believe it  is a "sister" paper of the Liverpool Echo ( Mirror Group) which is equally as poor - in paper or on -line formats.
As you rightly state it's all click bait nonsense
Having said that, despite living on Merseyside since 1995 I get my "fill" of Brum related " news" via the Meaning Evil site :(

You only need the "Birmingham News" thread in Off Topic. If it doesn't get mentioned in there, it isn't worth mentioning. 😊
You mean Percy`s Paper ? ;)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 11:39:38 PM
I can understand people still fully backing DS, but i'll never understand saying keep him regardless and I certainly hope the club don't have that mentality.
sure, if people believe he can turn it round then i respect that.
Watford pushed a lot of people over the edge, it was an absolute shambles.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2019, 11:43:51 PM
It's a disgrace. I think my nan might be the only person in Birmingham who still buys the paper version. It's just an online "service" which operates on the basis of clicks for trolling.
I believe it  is a "sister" paper of the Liverpool Echo ( Mirror Group) which is equally as poor - in paper or on -line formats.
As you rightly state it's all click bait nonsense
Having said that, despite living on Merseyside since 1995 I get my "fill" of Brum related " news" via the Meaning Evil site :(

You only need the "Birmingham News" thread in Off Topic. If it doesn't get mentioned in there, it isn't worth mentioning. 😊
You mean Percy`s Paper ? ;)

I think you mean "Stephen" 😁
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 29, 2019, 11:48:26 PM
It's a disgrace. I think my nan might be the only person in Birmingham who still buys the paper version. It's just an online "service" which operates on the basis of clicks for trolling.
I believe it  is a "sister" paper of the Liverpool Echo ( Mirror Group) which is equally as poor - in paper or on -line formats.
As you rightly state it's all click bait nonsense
Having said that, despite living on Merseyside since 1995 I get my "fill" of Brum related " news" via the Meaning Evil site :(

You only need the "Birmingham News" thread in Off Topic. If it doesn't get mentioned in there, it isn't worth mentioning. 😊
You mean Percy`s Paper ? ;)

I think you mean "Stephen" 😁
He will always be " Steve" to me !!
I've not seen him for a while - how is he?
We share similar tastes in music and the opposite sex ;)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: robbo1874 on December 30, 2019, 02:48:56 AM
Does anybody think Grealish will go at the end of the season regardless of which division we’re in?
don’t think he necessarily will go, but of course he could. Many factors will affect it though which are as yet unknown. His attitude for the rest of the season, being a big one. If he carries on down the petulant route, that may put some of the top clubs off paying top dollar for him. If he does want to go to a top club, his best bet is to do his best and make people take notice for the right reasons, even if it means we only manage to scrape survival. Other factors obviously are who we sign in the window, the managerial situation and Grealish’s relationship with the supporters. One thing I do think is that I doubt we can rely on his blind loyalty for too much longer. He’ll think that he could’ve gone before start of last season- he was a big part of promotion (and assuming we stay up, just) he’ll probably have played a big part in that, so may feel he’s paid his dues and can leave with a clear conscience. If we improve and have a reasonable finish (big if) he may think it’s worth another crack next season.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 30, 2019, 03:50:59 AM
The River Plate manager was talked up before the Libertadores final whilst at the same time implying he was ready to leave and look for a challenge in Europe.  He has any impressive CV but we’d have very little PL experience within the club.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 30, 2019, 06:54:16 AM
The River Plate manager was talked up before the Libertadores final whilst at the same time implying he was ready to leave and look for a challenge in Europe.  He has any impressive CV but we’d have very little PL experience within the club.

I think that would be a huge gamble tbh. If we are going to go for a European coach has to be someone experienced.

I dont want any flops like hughes, pardew, or even worse candleface.

Someone like jardim would be good.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 30, 2019, 06:55:40 AM
The River Plate manager was talked up before the Libertadores final whilst at the same time implying he was ready to leave and look for a challenge in Europe.  He has any impressive CV but we’d have very little PL experience within the club.

I think that would be a huge gamble tbh. If we are going to go for a European coach has to be someone experienced.

I dont want any flops like hughes, pardew, or even worse candleface.

Someone like jardim or villas-boas would be good.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mr underhill on December 30, 2019, 07:53:06 AM
it's beginning to look like he is going nowhere. Until Wednesday at least.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on December 30, 2019, 08:30:24 AM
It's a disgrace. I think my nan might be the only person in Birmingham who still buys the paper version. It's just an online "service" which operates on the basis of clicks for trolling.
I believe it  is a "sister" paper of the Liverpool Echo ( Mirror Group) which is equally as poor - in paper or on -line formats.
As you rightly state it's all click bait nonsense
Having said that, despite living on Merseyside since 1995 I get my "fill" of Brum related " news" via the Meaning Evil site :(

No wonder you get a bit down in the dumps about us!
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: tomd2103 on December 30, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
I cannot believe you lot are onto this thread.

I'd rather go down with Smith than sack him, to be honest - and I'm confident the club share that mentality.

If you've paid attention to any of Purslow's interviews, you'd know that we've begun a long-term project, with Smith at the heart of it.

We need some key additions in January and a plan B, not another several years of managerial roundabout.

Agreed
I bought into the long term project idea because I was fed up of Aston Villa being on the bloody managerial merry go round for years on end.

Haven’t you seen that there is no plan B?

Haven’t you seen there is no reaction to events in the pitch?

Haven’t you seen our key player played out of position to the point of it frustrating him?

If you are looking forward to relegation with Smith in charge, then you are looking forward to relegation with our best midfielders in a long time leaving us.

Precisely, all of the same problems existed in the championship. This isn’t a new set of issues, they’re the same issues that were repeated week in, week out last season before he had a player who was way too good for the division come back and save him. If he had made tactical alterations or changes when we needed him to before Derby at home fair enough, but he did nothing. Just having Grealish available from then on masked all of Smiths weaknesses and he got out of jail. Smith gets a huge amount of credit when he actually didn’t really do very much. If Grealish had been out for the rest of last season, the dross that was served up from Leeds at home onwards would have carried on until the end of the season because there was no evidence of whatsoever of Smith having any idea of what to do. Basically exactly the same as what is happening now.

It’s worth giving a manager time if you’ve got the right one. Dean Smith most definitely is not the right one

I agree that even though we ended up getting promoted and that was fantastic, there was a nagging feeling about those few months when Grealish was out injured and how poor we were at times during that period.

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on December 30, 2019, 10:04:57 AM
I think they will give him to city game tbh.

If there is a zero points return then i dont see how he can stay

Conceding 6 and scoring 1 against Southampton and watford is totally unacceptable
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: TonyD on December 30, 2019, 06:01:00 PM
Marcelo Gallardo
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 30, 2019, 07:01:26 PM
Marcelo Gallardo

There's a reason he dismissed links earlier this month about joining Barca, he's holding out for the Villa job.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 31, 2019, 10:22:24 AM
Why is Poch not on the list? Is he that unrealistic? Ultimately I think it would come down to money. Pay the ££s and I think it could happen. He’s the only one who tickles my fancy.

I really wanted Dean to work out, but I can’t see it now unless we get exactly the right players in over the next few days.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: JJ-AV on December 31, 2019, 10:37:39 AM
I really like Smith and I want it to work for him but should we lose tomorrow, with the break until the next winnable game the logic says a new man for Brighton and Watford seems appropriate.

Just concerned by the names around. We need to appoint someone with a similar outlook  who can add a bit of steel. Yet to see anyone (realistic) who I'd be excited by.

Someone I'd like is Martinez. But it'd mean him taking the job alongside Belgium until the Summer, which probably isn't the right move.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: KRS on December 31, 2019, 11:14:06 AM
For me it’s not worth the switch unless we have someone like Pochettino or Benitez lined up...it has to be a manager of stature and Premier League experience, not one of the usual suspects or someone relatively unknown.

Is Pellegrini worth a shout or is he seen as a busted flush now after having the life drained out of him at West Ham?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mr underhill on December 31, 2019, 01:56:18 PM
If he had the life sucked out of him at West Ham. I dread to think what Aston Villa would do to the guy. It's a big no from me.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2019, 02:14:40 PM
If he had the life sucked out of him at West Ham. I dread to think what Aston Villa would do to the guy. It's a big no from me.
It would be a definite candidate for the Celebrity Death watch predictions competition.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 31, 2019, 02:34:43 PM
Allardyce. I would back him to keep us up this season and get us into a higher finishing position next season.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on December 31, 2019, 02:35:26 PM
Allardyce. I would back him to keep us up this season and get us into a higher finishing position next season.

No thanks.

No thanks.

No thanks.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Axl Rose on December 31, 2019, 02:45:55 PM
John Barnes as player manager.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 31, 2019, 02:48:38 PM
Maybe Colin W fancies one last hurrah?  ;)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Axl Rose on December 31, 2019, 02:51:15 PM
Not a bad shout, mate. Wouldn't turn my nose up at Gary Megson.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: CT on December 31, 2019, 02:52:18 PM
John Barnes as player manager.

But then every other manager would know our one tactic would be to "get round the back!"
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on December 31, 2019, 02:56:42 PM
Not a bad shout, mate. Wouldn't turn my nose up at Gary Megson.


I think I would prefer Gary Newbon.

To be fair Newbon was on the bench the night we won the European Cup  ;)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Axl Rose on December 31, 2019, 02:58:33 PM
Not a bad shout, mate. Wouldn't turn my nose up at Gary Megson.


I think I would prefer Gary Newbon.

To be fair Newbon was on the bench the night we won the European Cup  ;)

Gary Numon perhaps?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Dougs Socks on December 31, 2019, 03:01:16 PM
Jurgon Klopp 8)
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on December 31, 2019, 03:31:32 PM
Maybe our owners would go and ask Alex Ferguson. Worked for us in the past.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Holte L2 on December 31, 2019, 04:35:54 PM
Poch or Rafa Benitez.

I feel we should have gone all out for Ancelotti as soon has he became available. We completely missed the boat there.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2019, 05:24:40 PM
The tea are either on the way or arrived in Burnley so Smith has got tomorrow at least.
I am surprised he has survived the Watford debacle.
Interesting team selection tomorrow.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Dougs Socks on December 31, 2019, 05:36:02 PM
The tea are either on the way or arrived in Burnley so Smith has got tomorrow at least.
I am surprised he has survived the Watford debacle.
Interesting team selection tomorrow.


Hes not going anywhere until the end of the season at least, so best accept it and save on the stress levels. Its not good at the mo, but did any of us think it would be any different?

We were always facing an uphill struggle, and i cant think of the last playoff winners whom managed to survive.

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Davkaus on December 31, 2019, 05:45:32 PM
Why is Poch not on the list? Is he that unrealistic?

Absolutely, unequivocally yes.

He's going to be pretty much the front runner for whatever huge jobs come up. Your Real's, Man United/Man City, Bayern.

The next few "elite" club vacancies that come up are probably his if he wants them. Why on earth would he rock up at VP? It's absolute fantasy.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: john e on December 31, 2019, 07:12:26 PM
The tea are either on the way or arrived in Burnley so Smith has got tomorrow at least.
I am surprised he has survived the Watford debacle.
Interesting team selection tomorrow.


Hes not going anywhere until the end of the season at least, so best accept it and save on the stress levels. Its not good at the mo, but did any of us think it would be any different?

We were always facing an uphill struggle, and i cant think of the last playoff winners whom managed to survive.


e

Yes,
I thought the football and tactics would be a lot better than they are at the moment to be honest
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Steve67 on December 31, 2019, 07:16:19 PM
Why is Poch not on the list? Is he that unrealistic?

Absolutely, unequivocally yes.

He's going to be pretty much the front runner for whatever huge jobs come up. Your Real's, Man United/Man City, Bayern.

The next few "elite" club vacancies that come up are probably his if he wants them. Why on earth would he rock up at VP? It's absolute fantasy.

Probably just me, but I really don't see what all the fuss is about with Pochettino. Spent loads, won nothing.  He did lift the aspiration level at Spurs to be fair but won nothing and started to go backwards.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 31, 2019, 08:00:02 PM
Why is Poch not on the list? Is he that unrealistic?

Absolutely, unequivocally yes.

He's going to be pretty much the front runner for whatever huge jobs come up. Your Real's, Man United/Man City, Bayern.

The next few "elite" club vacancies that come up are probably his if he wants them. Why on earth would he rock up at VP? It's absolute fantasy.

Probably just me, but I really don't see what all the fuss is about with Pochettino. Spent loads, won nothing.  He did lift the aspiration level at Spurs to be fair but won nothing and started to go backwards.

Everything at Spurs comes with an added undeserved reputation. Players, managers, Daniel 'Played it beautifully' Levy...
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Border villan on December 31, 2019, 08:02:40 PM
BFR ? 😩
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ROBBO on December 31, 2019, 08:48:49 PM
Poch got booted out as do most managers it would be good to see a list of managers that walked without compensation or retired like SAF, there wouldn't be many.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on January 12, 2020, 06:42:32 PM
I know bournmouth are not dojng great but i think we should gef eddie howe in. Bournmouth have injuries and are a small club he has doen a great job there.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villan82 on January 12, 2020, 06:46:12 PM
We need a survival specialist who doesn't talk about triangles and traps. Staying up is so important. I don't want to lose Jack, I don't want to languish in the Championship.

I want somebody who will get the basics right- set pieces, defending, being hard to beat, organisation, game management.

If Smith and Terry were better at all of the above we would have 4 or 5 extra points (at least).
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: David_Nab on January 12, 2020, 06:48:33 PM
We need a survival specialist who doesn't talk about triangles and traps. Staying up is so important. I don't want to lose Jack, I don't want to languish in the Championship.

I want somebody who will get the basics right- set pieces, defending, being hard to beat, organisation, game management.

If Smith and Terry were better at all of the above we would have 4 or 5 extra points (at least).

This , likes to talk a good game but we mostly look all over the place in matches.Take out Jack we would be rock bottom of the league I have no doubt of that.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 12, 2020, 06:53:37 PM
Who on earth would want to take on the challenge ? We are a poisoned chalice. I'm beginning to think the owners have being expecting relegation from an early stage but fail to understand their " blind faith" in Smith who really does look out of his depth
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: brontebilly on January 12, 2020, 06:55:13 PM
Why is Poch not on the list? Is he that unrealistic?

Absolutely, unequivocally yes.

He's going to be pretty much the front runner for whatever huge jobs come up. Your Real's, Man United/Man City, Bayern.

The next few "elite" club vacancies that come up are probably his if he wants them. Why on earth would he rock up at VP? It's absolute fantasy.

Probably just me, but I really don't see what all the fuss is about with Pochettino. Spent loads, won nothing.  He did lift the aspiration level at Spurs to be fair but won nothing and started to go backwards.

Had Spurs regularly competing in the Champions League including getting to last year's final. Juande Ramos won a cup but was a dismal failure. Not a hope of him coming to us anyway.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 12, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
Pulis
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: richrunner on January 12, 2020, 06:57:10 PM
Its truly a horrible position.

Think back to June 2019. The dream was that local lad Deano, who took us up so heroically, would consolidate our position back in the top flight, with a progressive passing game made out of playing out from the back, traps and triangles. They even decided during the summer to put his face on our stadium as the feelgood factor was back. We had a transfer specialist bringing in exciting young talent from across europe who would blend into the team. The words "doing a Fulham" were banded about. Surely not?

Unfortunately, dreams do not come true and our return to the top flight is turning out to be a nightmare.

Time to rip up the script and get a proper hard nosed b*stard in to turn these jellies into a tough, hard to beat team. Big Sam would be my choice - we need to stay up at all costs.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villan82 on January 12, 2020, 06:58:54 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: CT Villan on January 12, 2020, 07:07:24 PM
I'm deeply disappointed with Dean and the club.

I'm inching closer to holding my nose and accepting Allardyce for a short term appointment. I'd prefer Pochettino or Wenger, but the reality is that they are not going to want to join us in our current predicament.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 12, 2020, 07:09:40 PM
I'm deeply disappointed with Dean and the club.

I'm inching closer to holding my nose and accepting Allardyce for a short term appointment. I'd prefer Pochettino or Wenger, but the reality is that they are not going to want to join us in our current predicament.

Money talks..
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 12, 2020, 07:11:59 PM
a few weeks ago people would have laughed their nuts off if someone had said Nigel Pearson...
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: David_Nab on January 12, 2020, 07:16:18 PM
a few weeks ago people would have laughed their nuts off if someone had said Nigel Pearson...

3 managers they have had this season , the same players but under Pearson been much better which shows the difference a manager can make .I do think they were underachieving and have some good players in that squad , a very strong CM area
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 12, 2020, 07:18:23 PM
We need a survival specialist who doesn't talk about triangles and traps. Staying up is so important. I don't want to lose Jack, I don't want to languish in the Championship.

I want somebody who will get the basics right- set pieces, defending, being hard to beat, organisation, game management.

If Smith and Terry were better at all of the above we would have 4 or 5 extra points (at least).


You have just described Sam Allardyce. He kept up Blackburn, Sunderland, Palace and Everton teams who all looked an absolute shambles and nailed on for relegation when he took over.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Billy Walker on January 12, 2020, 07:28:46 PM
An injury-ravaged, newly promoted Villa team lose heavily to a strong Man City?  It's not nice to see, and it'll take a day or two to digest, but surely this result will not define our season?  They've spanked a fair few teams already this season, and they will spank a few more in the weeks to come.  We have both our games against them out of the way now, let's move on.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 12, 2020, 07:30:49 PM
Another vote for Allardyce, give him 2-3 signings and he would keep us up.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on January 12, 2020, 07:30:50 PM
Those asking for Alladyce need their fucking head read. Absolute load of shite. It would put the club back donkeys years. 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 12, 2020, 07:32:01 PM
Those asking for Alladyce need their fucking head read. Absolute load of shite. It would put the club back donkeys years. 
if Sam kept us up, then it wouldn't put the club back donkeys years. Being relegated would.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 12, 2020, 07:33:49 PM
Those asking for Alladyce need their fucking head read. Absolute load of shite. It would put the club back donkeys years.

He is a survival specialist. I would suggest relegation would put the club back more years than a few months of Sam Allardyce management.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: richrunner on January 12, 2020, 07:35:30 PM
Those asking for Alladyce need their fucking head read. Absolute load of shite. It would put the club back donkeys years.

Relegation back to the championship under Smith or anyone will see us lose Jack, McGinn, Mings and several others. The spine of the team would be ripped to shreds, with no money to rectify the situation. We'll be back to square one regardless and it would take us donkeys years to come back up again anyway.

Survival at all costs regardless of the football style should be the absolute aim from now on. Smith has had his chance at this level, it hasnt worked out, time to try something different
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villan82 on January 12, 2020, 07:35:39 PM
Relegation automatically puts you back a minimum of 2 years: Best case scenario: the year (minimum) you are out and the likes of Watford, Brighton, Southampton have another year of extra PL investment in their squad and move that little bit further away so that by the time you get back up you face another absolute dogfight to survive. And, it is more likely than not your stay in the championship is more than a year - at times I feared we were the new Leeds during our 3 season stint in the Championship.

Get in a survival specialist to the end of the season, stay up, get the right man in and invest in proper premier league players so that we are at an advantage over the 3 new promoted teams and we can finally put this shitfest of a decade behind us.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: luke95 on January 12, 2020, 07:37:04 PM
Those asking for Alladyce need their fucking head read. Absolute load of shite. It would put the club back donkeys years.

He is a survival specialist. I would suggest relegation would put the club back more years than a few months of Sam Allardyce management.
& Steve Bruce was a promotion specialist!
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 12, 2020, 07:42:39 PM
Those asking for Alladyce need their fucking head read. Absolute load of shite. It would put the club back donkeys years.

He is a survival specialist. I would suggest relegation would put the club back more years than a few months of Sam Allardyce management.
& Steve Bruce was a promotion specialist!


Allardyce has a decent track record in both keeping teams in the Premier League and getting teams promoted to the Premier League. I would give him the job and even if we went down (which I don't think would happen on his watch) I would back him to get us back up.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 12, 2020, 07:46:11 PM
Those asking for Alladyce need their fucking head read. Absolute load of shite. It would put the club back donkeys years.

He is a survival specialist. I would suggest relegation would put the club back more years than a few months of Sam Allardyce management.
& Steve Bruce was a promotion specialist!


Who to be fair got us to a play off final and may have won it if the ref had sent off the Fulham player he should have.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on January 12, 2020, 07:57:11 PM
Can’t believe what I’m reading. Fucking Allardyce. No one here heard him on talkSPORT no? Jesus wept. We are in serious trouble if we are resorted to this
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SW9-VILLA on January 12, 2020, 07:58:13 PM
Can’t believe what I’m reading. Fucking Allardyce.

Seconded
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villan82 on January 12, 2020, 07:58:20 PM
We are in deep doodoo as it stands.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on January 12, 2020, 08:01:21 PM
Massive overreaction on here as is typical and is consistent with the aftermath of both the Soton and Watford games. Are we 7 points adrift? No. We are are in a more than salvageable situation if we invest in the squad over the next two weeks.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 12, 2020, 08:07:30 PM
Massive overreaction on here as is typical and is consistent with the aftermath of both the Soton and Watford games. Are we 7 points adrift? No. We are are in a more than salvageable situation if we invest in the squad over the next two weeks.
And the likes of Drinkwater and Reina are gonna save us ?? Our recruitment since promotion - other than Heaton and Mings has been pish - Whoever is making the decisions needs to look at themself
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: phantom limb on January 12, 2020, 08:07:37 PM
Massive overreaction on here as is typical and is consistent with the aftermath of both the Soton and Watford games. Are we 7 points adrift? No. We are are in a more than salvageable situation if we invest in the squad over the next two weeks.

I think the problem is that sufficient investment in the squad is looking increasingly unlikely, that’s why people aren’t happy.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Richard E on January 12, 2020, 08:07:46 PM
Massive overreaction on here as is typical and is consistent with the aftermath of both the Soton and Watford games. Are we 7 points adrift? No. We are are in a more than salvageable situation if we invest in the squad over the next two weeks.

There seem to be a hell of a lot of shockingly poor performances for us to overreact to.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Dazvillain on January 12, 2020, 08:10:02 PM
Deans tone in his post match interview makes me think he’s not having as much say on players as he’d want and is pushed off with that and what Pitarch is doing
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villadelph on January 12, 2020, 09:18:26 PM
Deans tone in his post match interview makes me think he’s not having as much say on players as he’d want and is pushed off with that and what Pitarch is doing

Pfff.. he’s hardly earned it. Our squad is looking busted and inept after 100mil investment.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on January 12, 2020, 09:39:21 PM
Half of this £100m was on Mings, Heaton and Wesley. One class act, other two fucking injured. That leaves £50m which, in reality, is fucking peanuts when you are in the market we are. We’ve took a punt on a few Suso gambles all of which look bang average to me (Nakamba, Luiz, Trezeguet) and mixed that with a couple of Smith signings (Engels, Konsa) who are too raw. If you ask me, it’s Suso that’s the fucking turkey in all this. Now he’s gone and got fucking Pepe Reina
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Steve67 on January 12, 2020, 09:43:43 PM
Half of this £100m was on Mings, Heaton and Wesley. One class act, other two fucking injured. That leaves £50m which, in reality, is fucking peanuts when you are in the market we are. We’ve took a punt on a few Suso gambles all of which look bang average to me (Nakamba, Luiz, Trezeguet) and mixed that with a couple of Smith signings (Engels, Konsa) who are too raw. If you ask me, it’s Suso that’s the fucking turkey in all this. Now he’s gone and got fucking Pepe Reina

Smith went out to watch Trezeguet with Suso. 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: The_ads on January 12, 2020, 09:45:19 PM
Half of this £100m was on Mings, Heaton and Wesley. One class act, other two fucking injured. That leaves £50m which, in reality, is fucking peanuts when you are in the market we are. We’ve took a punt on a few Suso gambles all of which look bang average to me (Nakamba, Luiz, Trezeguet) and mixed that with a couple of Smith signings (Engels, Konsa) who are too raw. If you ask me, it’s Suso that’s the fucking turkey in all this. Now he’s gone and got fucking Pepe Reina

Smith went out to watch Trezeguet with Suso.


I suspect he went and watched them all. I’m having our sporting director or whatever title he has as a fucking idiot. I read an article about his time at Valencia, wish I could find it
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Des Little on January 12, 2020, 10:13:30 PM
What wrankles with me is the fact that Smith’s Brentford played such good football (and they still do), yet despite a huge budget, he can’t seem to get a decent tune out of this lot on a regular basis.  Are him and Pitarch on the same page? I’m not sure they are. That said, he’s still got my backing to get it right.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on January 12, 2020, 10:18:01 PM
I actually think farke is a better manager than smith. They didnt spend much and have injuries yet i think if farke had the money smith did norwich would doing a lot better than what we are.

Smith is failing bad i dont see what the point in keeping him here. He has been a utter failure this season
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 12, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
I heard today that Big Sam is joining the Royal Family as a temporary replacement for Prince Harry until they can secure a permanent / long term replacement.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on January 12, 2020, 11:05:55 PM
Half of this £100m was on Mings, Heaton and Wesley. One class act, other two fucking injured. That leaves £50m which, in reality, is fucking peanuts when you are in the market we are. We’ve took a punt on a few Suso gambles all of which look bang average to me (Nakamba, Luiz, Trezeguet) and mixed that with a couple of Smith signings (Engels, Konsa) who are too raw. If you ask me, it’s Suso that’s the fucking turkey in all this. Now he’s gone and got fucking Pepe Reina

Smith went out to watch Trezeguet with Suso.


I suspect he went and watched them all. I’m having our sporting director or whatever title he has as a fucking idiot. I read an article about his time at Valencia, wish I could find it

It was always going to be tough, we needed a lot of bodies and it’s wasn't going to be financially feasible to buy 10x PL players so we naturally looked to the European leagues for talent. It’s always a risk if they will settle quickly enough.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villan82 on January 12, 2020, 11:15:10 PM
Half of this £100m was on Mings, Heaton and Wesley. One class act, other two fucking injured. That leaves £50m which, in reality, is fucking peanuts when you are in the market we are. We’ve took a punt on a few Suso gambles all of which look bang average to me (Nakamba, Luiz, Trezeguet) and mixed that with a couple of Smith signings (Engels, Konsa) who are too raw. If you ask me, it’s Suso that’s the fucking turkey in all this. Now he’s gone and got fucking Pepe Reina

Smith went out to watch Trezeguet with Suso.


I suspect he went and watched them all. I’m having our sporting director or whatever title he has as a fucking idiot. I read an article about his time at Valencia, wish I could find it

It was always going to be tough, we needed a lot of bodies and it’s wasn't going to be financially feasible to buy 10x PL players so we naturally looked to the European leagues for talent. It’s always a risk if they will settle quickly enough.

Why did we rule out loans? An experienced head or two - loans - would have maybe been worth a point or two to us. Especially at the start of the season when we were playing well but incapable of closing out the game.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on January 12, 2020, 11:16:39 PM
Overconfidence in our plans for ‘the project’ I’d guess.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 12, 2020, 11:34:42 PM
Half of this £100m was on Mings, Heaton and Wesley. One class act, other two fucking injured. That leaves £50m which, in reality, is fucking peanuts when you are in the market we are. We’ve took a punt on a few Suso gambles all of which look bang average to me (Nakamba, Luiz, Trezeguet) and mixed that with a couple of Smith signings (Engels, Konsa) who are too raw. If you ask me, it’s Suso that’s the fucking turkey in all this. Now he’s gone and got fucking Pepe Reina

Smith went out to watch Trezeguet with Suso.


I suspect he went and watched them all. I’m having our sporting director or whatever title he has as a fucking idiot. I read an article about his time at Valencia, wish I could find it

In his time as sporting director of Valencia they reached the Champions league final and became Spain's third best team. In his time as sporting director of Athletico Madrid they reached the Champions league final and became Spain's third best team. If you want to knock him for his time at Villa fine, but you can't knock his time in Spain.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Brassneck on January 12, 2020, 11:41:39 PM
I blame Suso far more than i blame Smith.

I blame them all (with the benefit of hindsight) for not using loans in the summer, thus allowing us to spend more on first choice targets like Philips, Webster and Benrahma.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ROBBO on January 12, 2020, 11:42:40 PM
When he picks the correct players our defence is decent, any defence no matter how good can stand a midfield that can't or won't tackle (Hourihane) just as an example, and a forward line without a centre forward. What stood out for me was how easily our players were brushed off the ball and were always two paces behind. The one consolation is that we were playing an exceptional footballing side that's been at the top of their game for many years, its not the likes of Man City that will determine whether we get relegated.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Flin5tone on January 12, 2020, 11:45:50 PM
We need someone to keep us up, simple no nonsense football, Watford have managed to do it but they have good quality in their squad

I think giving smith the Four year contract was a huge mistake,this makes me think they will be sticking with him regardless.

I'd say bring someone in to keep us up and then start again , i said before Allardyce on a short term deal,keeps us up gets a big bonus and everyone is happy and then we go from there
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2020, 12:20:48 AM
Why did we rule out loans? An experienced head or two - loans - would have maybe been worth a point or two to us. Especially at the start of the season when we were playing well but incapable of closing out the game.

The problem with Loans is that you're kicking the problem down the road. That's ok sometimes but when the task at hand is to make a functional squad from a large number of signings and a fairly fractured existing squad it's not necessarily all that helpful. I think they decided to try to rough it out and built a team spirit via adversity but the injuries and falls in form of a few keys players means we're behind where they wanted and we're looking to add some more experience to help push us over the line so we can go again in the summer.


I don't know what impact a change of manager would have on getting the squad where we want it to be by the summer though so I guess it's about finding a balance between the short term need to avoid relegation and the long term goals of growing the squad as a unit.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on January 13, 2020, 07:23:46 AM
I dont believe for one second smith doesnt chpose the players. He knew about konsa at brentford. Smith even said they have a whataspp group betwen the three of them.

Smith is just as much to blame as suso is. I think we need someone like mancini in. A european coach who has pl experince
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mr underhill on January 13, 2020, 07:36:37 AM
I'd take anyone wo can coach the basics. i thought Smith and Co could do that, but they make Bruce look like Pep.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on January 13, 2020, 07:59:51 AM
I'd take anyone wo can coach the basics. i thought Smith and Co could do that, but they make Bruce look like Pep.

Smith cant setup a defence to save his life.absolute shambles defensively.

Needs to drop konsa play hause at lb with engels and mings at cb with guilbert back at rb
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Flin5tone on January 13, 2020, 08:06:43 AM
You've got to ask what is John Terry doing? You'd expect he'd sort that defence out but I guess Smith has the final say

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 13, 2020, 08:10:41 AM
Little rumour floating around VP yesterday is that Dean and JT not exactly getting 'on' at the moment
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ROBBO on January 13, 2020, 08:14:51 AM
I thought after the Leicester game that Smith had sorted them out but not to be, even Grealish struggled against them. It really looked like men against boys for all the game and if they could have been bothered it could have been double figures.
Getting tired of Smiths excuses if he can't get his way on players coming in then he should walk away, he would not be out of work for long but not in the prem.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 08:27:50 AM
You've got to ask what is John Terry doing? You'd expect he'd sort that defence out but I guess Smith has the final say
Is there any defense that would cope with the  midfield Smith put in front of them?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: GarTomas on January 13, 2020, 08:31:32 AM
You've got to ask what is John Terry doing? You'd expect he'd sort that defence out but I guess Smith has the final say
Is there any defense that would cope with the  midfield Smith put in front of them?

With the options available maybe McGinn, Grealish plus one.

The challenge is we don’t have the quality up front so we move Grealish up there; if we move Grealish up we don’t have the sufficient quality in midfield.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 08:36:02 AM
You've got to ask what is John Terry doing? You'd expect he'd sort that defence out but I guess Smith has the final say
Is there any defense that would cope with the  midfield Smith put in front of them?

With the options available maybe McGinn, Grealish plus one.

The challenge is we don’t have the quality up front so we move Grealish up there; if we move Grealish up we don’t have the sufficient quality in midfield.
I think we should play Konsa or even Mings in a holding role to provide some protection.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: GarTomas on January 13, 2020, 08:41:04 AM
I agree Konsa could play there and if Engels was fit or not gone way off form would be worthwhile.

Hause, Mings and Engels with Targett, Guilbert, Drinkwater and Konsa would be very solid and give us the option to have Jack, a striker to come in and maybe rotate El Ghazi and Trez.

Would be much better than what we put out yesterday.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mr underhill on January 13, 2020, 09:09:00 AM
with the best will in the world Danny Drinkwater isn't solid.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on January 13, 2020, 09:14:52 AM
You've got to ask what is John Terry doing? You'd expect he'd sort that defence out but I guess Smith has the final say
Is there any defense that would cope with the  midfield Smith put in front of them?

With the options available maybe McGinn, Grealish plus one.

The challenge is we don’t have the quality up front so we move Grealish up there; if we move Grealish up we don’t have the sufficient quality in midfield.
I think we should play Konsa or even Mings in a holding role to provide some protection.
Can you imagine starting with 4 center halfs?  This place would go into meltdown claiming that Bruce was back.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2020, 09:29:57 AM
It's more like Sherwood's back at the moment.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villan82 on January 13, 2020, 09:32:19 AM
Little rumour floating around VP yesterday is that Dean and JT not exactly getting 'on' at the moment

I have always suspected that there was an element of that.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: wozwebs on January 13, 2020, 09:33:41 AM
Where have Targett and Engels vanished too. Slight knocks have turned into weeks out. All is not well.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 09:34:38 AM
It's more like Sherwood's back at the moment.
Good point
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villan82 on January 13, 2020, 09:35:41 AM
Why did we rule out loans? An experienced head or two - loans - would have maybe been worth a point or two to us. Especially at the start of the season when we were playing well but incapable of closing out the game.

The problem with Loans is that you're kicking the problem down the road. That's ok sometimes but when the task at hand is to make a functional squad from a large number of signings and a fairly fractured existing squad it's not necessarily all that helpful. I think they decided to try to rough it out and built a team spirit via adversity but the injuries and falls in form of a few keys players means we're behind where they wanted and we're looking to add some more experience to help push us over the line so we can go again in the summer.


I don't know what impact a change of manager would have on getting the squad where we want it to be by the summer though so I guess it's about finding a balance between the short term need to avoid relegation and the long term goals of growing the squad as a unit.

Survival was aim number one. I would quite happily have kicked the can for one year and returned to it in the summer as a PL club with three new lambs to the slaughter up from the Championship.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Blagg on January 13, 2020, 09:47:06 AM
Little rumour floating around VP yesterday is that Dean and JT not exactly getting 'on' at the moment

I have always suspected that there was an element of that.

I suspect that whatever happens, Terry will not be Assistant Head Coach to Smith next season, he'll be getting frustrated and wanting to be the main man somewhere soon. If the right opportunity appears he'll be off before the end of the season.  Just a guess, obviously.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2020, 10:16:18 AM
Why did we rule out loans? An experienced head or two - loans - would have maybe been worth a point or two to us. Especially at the start of the season when we were playing well but incapable of closing out the game.

The problem with Loans is that you're kicking the problem down the road. That's ok sometimes but when the task at hand is to make a functional squad from a large number of signings and a fairly fractured existing squad it's not necessarily all that helpful. I think they decided to try to rough it out and built a team spirit via adversity but the injuries and falls in form of a few keys players means we're behind where they wanted and we're looking to add some more experience to help push us over the line so we can go again in the summer.


I don't know what impact a change of manager would have on getting the squad where we want it to be by the summer though so I guess it's about finding a balance between the short term need to avoid relegation and the long term goals of growing the squad as a unit.

Survival was aim number one. I would quite happily have kicked the can for one year and returned to it in the summer as a PL club with three new lambs to the slaughter up from the Championship.

I don't think they were worried about us being where we are, and by the end of October I'd have agreed. At the time we were 15th, 2 points short of 7th and looking competitive in every game. That coincides with injuries to Mings, Grealish and McGinn, all 3 played in just 3 of the 10 games in that period and it's pretty clear that they're the heart of the team and we couldn't afford a run with any of them missing. It's particularly clear now how important McGinn is because our midfield just isn't functioning without him.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2020, 12:51:44 PM
What wrankles with me is the fact that Smith’s Brentford played such good football (and they still do), yet despite a huge budget, he can’t seem to get a decent tune out of this lot on a regular basis.  Are him and Pitarch on the same page? I’m not sure they are. That said, he’s still got my backing to get it right.

I'm with you.

What I will say is that it takes time to develop a good playing style and understanding, unless you've got fantastic players.

For example, you could have dropped the Man City players in together and you can bet they'd do far better than our lot.

There are times when we look good and others when we look abject. Yesterday was appalling and they played through us, round us, at will.

There is fault everywhere. It's time for them all to to stand up and be counted. Take a deep breath and focus on the next game. We've played a couple of different formations now so let's see what happens.

I understand people don't think Smith is up to it, and I'd agree, at the moment, he's not. But, do we think he'll improve? Learn? Get better?

I do and I think the players will too.

Smith and Wilder have a similar path, starting low and moving up through the leagues. Wilder has had more success and more time.

I wasn't convinced Smith was the man for us when we were needing someone as he didn't have the experience, yet that was what people were clamouring for.

He did us proud in his first year. Now he's into his second and is struggling. Isn't it time to support him rather than fuck him off?

Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Nelly on January 13, 2020, 01:25:37 PM
What wrankles with me is the fact that Smith’s Brentford played such good football (and they still do), yet despite a huge budget, he can’t seem to get a decent tune out of this lot on a regular basis.  Are him and Pitarch on the same page? I’m not sure they are. That said, he’s still got my backing to get it right.
He did us proud in his first year. Now he's into his second and is struggling. Isn't it time to support him rather than fuck him off?

This for me too. Sacking the manager is a gamble and it's what we tried numerous times when we were relegated. Personally I think Villa desperately need stability. We probably came up a season too soon in terms of a functioning squad. Unity, some faith and yeah probably a little luck too and we'll be right as rain.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 13, 2020, 02:35:43 PM
This season was always going to be a very difficult one. We came up as the fifth best team in the Championship, one made up primarily of loans and older guys coming to the end of their shelf life. We had no choice other than to go down the recruiting road we have. The headlines may say we spent £120m but the reality of top level football life now is that isn't as big a sum of money in the premier League as it sounds and we had to virtually buy a new squad with that money, not add expensive finishing touches and quality.

I still have confidence we can get out of this but if the worst case scenario is relegation I'm equally prepared to go down, take the parachute money and go again. If we do so we'll have a much better squad than we had when we were last relegated, even without Jack, Tyrone and SJM. While it would be gutting to have to sell those three, FFP issues would be cleared in an instant and we'd still have a decent squad who would be more than competitive in the Championship. We have some good players in this squad who's flaw at the moment is that they're young and inexperienced at this level. By next season, young players like Guilbert, Targett, Konsa, Engels, Hause, Nakamba, Luiz and El Ghazi will have learned a lot, and we'll still have the experience of Heaton and Hourihane, and Jota, we know from his performances against us for Brentford, is a good player at Championship level.

Panicking and making wholesale changes to the management team is a road we've been down a lot in the last decade. Despite our success last season, we are still in recovery from the negligence of Lerner's later years and Xia's profligacy. We now need a period of continuity. We have to stay strong and continue to back Dean and the players.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2020, 02:42:15 PM

Panicking and making wholesale changes to the management team is a road we've been down a lot in the last decade. Despite our success last season, we are still in recovery from the negligence of Lerner's later years and Xia's profligacy. We now need a period of continuity. We have to stay strong and continue to back Dean and the players.

Getting relegated is the sort of continuity we don't need.  Sacking Bruce gave us a manager that got us up, now we need to sack Smith, and find a manager that can keep us up.  There's no room for sentimentality in football any more, he's proving to be poor at this level, and needs to go.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: john e on January 13, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
I don’t see any obvious credible name to come in at this time

and the only reason for sacking Smith would be if we had a better replacement lined up to come in
which we probably wouldn’t know about until it happened

I don’t count any old fashioned British manager as credible
if you do and that’s the road you want to go down that’s fair enough, but it’s not for me
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on January 13, 2020, 03:04:02 PM
I don’t see any obvious credible name to come in at this time

and the only reason for sacking Smith would be if we had a better replacement lined up to come in
which we probably wouldn’t know about until it happened

I don’t count any old fashioned British manager as credible
if you do and that’s the road you want to go down that’s fair enough, but it’s not for me


This and the new contract are the reasons why i think smith is still here. Had some names been available a d we wouldnt have to pay smith massive compon he would be gone by now.

I think they will also think smith can get us straight back up again.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Villafirst on January 13, 2020, 03:32:33 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 13, 2020, 03:43:11 PM
I understand people don't think Smith is up to it, and I'd agree, at the moment, he's not. But, do we think he'll improve? Learn? Get better?

No I don't, hence I want him replaced. He is showing no capacity to learn and adapt whatsoever, and has now started making the same kind of desperate lame excuses we had from Sherwood, Bruce and O'Leary. The hallmarks of a manager that is out of their depth and not likely to improve.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on January 13, 2020, 03:52:06 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Easy to say in hindsight. I would think the number of Villa fans who would have supported a decision to appoint Pearson as a replacement for Smith would have been tiny at best.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Chris Smith on January 13, 2020, 04:00:20 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Watford have an established PL squad, he would not have been able to perform the same trick with us. What has screwed us is injuries to important players and changing managers will not alter that.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 13, 2020, 04:03:41 PM
We have been unlucky with injuries, but everyone in the world knew we needed an extra striker. Only signing Wesley was madness. That's not a hindsight thing, everyone said so at the time.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: john e on January 13, 2020, 04:06:28 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Watford have an established PL squad, he would not have been able to perform the same trick with us. What has screwed us is injuries to important players and changing managers will not alter that.

Agree with that about the Watford squad
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PeterWithe on January 13, 2020, 04:07:57 PM
Yes, almost everyone flagged it up as a massive hurdle on here before the season. I'm not sure punishing the manager by sacking him will help matters now though.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2020, 04:18:01 PM
They've also had a goal scorer return that's key to them.

It's been said to death, but a young player in Wesley, a younger one in Davis and a Championship player in Kodjia wasn't enough.

All 3 are out, along with our midfield heartbeat in McGinn.

Smith needs the recruitment team to pull a forward out the bag by Brighton.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2020, 04:24:19 PM
They've also had a goal scorer return that's key to them.

It's been said to death, but a young player in Wesley, a younger one in Davis and a Championship player in Kodjia wasn't enough.

All 3 are out, along with our midfield heartbeat in McGinn.

Smith needs the recruitment team to pull a forward out the bag by Brighton.

Yes the recruitment of forwards in the summer was seriously deficient.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 13, 2020, 04:28:11 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Easy to say in hindsight. I would think the number of Villa fans who would have supported a decision to appoint Pearson as a replacement for Smith would have been tiny at best.

Ha! Indeed. This place would have imploded. Pearson was a smart move by Watford as they had nothing to lose and only hired him until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on January 13, 2020, 04:28:13 PM
They've also had a goal scorer return that's key to them.

It's been said to death, but a young player in Wesley, a younger one in Davis and a Championship player in Kodjia wasn't enough.

All 3 are out, along with our midfield heartbeat in McGinn.

Smith needs the recruitment team to pull a forward out the bag by Brighton.
Exactly, as have Southampton who have had a revival without sacking their manager.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Ketzster on January 13, 2020, 04:32:07 PM
They've also had a goal scorer return that's key to them.

It's been said to death, but a young player in Wesley, a younger one in Davis and a Championship player in Kodjia wasn't enough.

All 3 are out, along with our midfield heartbeat in McGinn.

Smith needs the recruitment team to pull a forward out the bag by Brighton.
Exactly, as have Southampton who have had a revival without sacking their manager.

The difference is though that everybody says Hassenhutel is a top manager, and if Southampton sacked him he’d go and get a top job. There is no evidence to suggest Smith is a top manager, and I don’t hear anybody saying Smith will go on and get a top job somewhere. He’s totally out of his depth. He struggled last season with a different set of players before Grealish came back. All of the evidence is there that he’s a poor manager, whether it be in the Championship before Grealish came back, or this season. If the poor run hadn’t happened last season, it would be possible to defend him. But it’s all been there to see for over a year that he’s not very good. He doesn’t know how to change things
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2020, 04:35:10 PM
They've also had a goal scorer return that's key to them.

It's been said to death, but a young player in Wesley, a younger one in Davis and a Championship player in Kodjia wasn't enough.

All 3 are out, along with our midfield heartbeat in McGinn.

Smith needs the recruitment team to pull a forward out the bag by Brighton.
Exactly, as have Southampton who have had a revival without sacking their manager.

I don't actually think the slump has been that bad. Up to the Leicester game on the 8th December, there were problems for sure, but not to the extent as are being made out.

We went through a poor patch, the striker issue exacerbating it, but less than 3 weeks after our poor run started, it ended at home to Norwich. In the 5 first team games since then we've won 2, drawn credibly at Leicester and had two disasters. About par really.

I feel with better recruitment in the summer we would be a few points better off and I feel with some good recruitment now, we can survive.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 13, 2020, 04:37:45 PM
Oddly, Smith has been "rewarded" by the owners for taking us back towards whence we came …. what kind of "business plan" is that ?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: chrisw1 on January 13, 2020, 04:43:55 PM
They've also had a goal scorer return that's key to them.

It's been said to death, but a young player in Wesley, a younger one in Davis and a Championship player in Kodjia wasn't enough.

All 3 are out, along with our midfield heartbeat in McGinn.

Smith needs the recruitment team to pull a forward out the bag by Brighton.
Exactly, as have Southampton who have had a revival without sacking their manager.

I don't actually think the slump has been that bad. Up to the Leicester game on the 8th December, there were problems for sure, but not to the extent as are being made out.

We went through a poor patch, the striker issue exacerbating it, but less than 3 weeks after our poor run started, it ended at home to Norwich. In the 5 first team games since then we've won 2, drawn credibly at Leicester and had two disasters. About par really.

I feel with better recruitment in the summer we would be a few points better off and I feel with some good recruitment now, we can survive.
Again I think we're agreed. 
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2020, 06:28:31 PM
Oddly, Smith has been "rewarded" by the owners for taking us back towards whence we came …. what kind of "business plan" is that ?

Or he's been rewarded for getting us promoted absolutely against the odds and keeping us in a competitive situation after having to recruit a dozen players in the summer.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2020, 06:33:06 PM
Oddly, Smith has been "rewarded" by the owners for taking us back towards whence we came …. what kind of "business plan" is that ?

Or he's been rewarded for getting us promoted absolutely against the odds and keeping us in a competitive situation after having to recruit a dozen players in the summer.

Purslow said very strongly at the start of the season that just staying up wasn't the intention at all.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: gpbarr on January 13, 2020, 06:33:49 PM
Oddly, Smith has been "rewarded" by the owners for taking us back towards whence we came …. what kind of "business plan" is that ?

Bizarre comment. He can get blame for recent events however 18 months ago we were not in great shape in the championship and he helped get us to the PL. that’s why he was rewarded.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Rudy65 on January 13, 2020, 06:39:07 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Drummond on January 13, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
Oddly, Smith has been "rewarded" by the owners for taking us back towards whence we came …. what kind of "business plan" is that ?

Or he's been rewarded for getting us promoted absolutely against the odds and keeping us in a competitive situation after having to recruit a dozen players in the summer.

Purslow said very strongly at the start of the season that just staying up wasn't the intention at all.

Of course, we started off trying to win the league, surely?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Ads on January 13, 2020, 07:03:44 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

They're not playing really well, I think that's overstating things.

What they are, is a mid-table side, with some good players. They've finally got in a manager who can organise and simplify. They didn't do anything spectacular to beat Bournemouth, but they knew what to do; await that attack to dry up, bypass their midfield and you've cracked them open.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 13, 2020, 07:16:55 PM
Next Aston Villa Manager? how about a bloke called Steve Bruce... seems to be able to organise a side at this level...

I'm playing devils advocate here, I can't stand the bloke.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 13, 2020, 07:21:19 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

They're not playing really well, I think that's overstating things.

What they are, is a mid-table side, with some good players. They've finally got in a manager who can organise and simplify. They didn't do anything spectacular to beat Bournemouth, but they knew what to do; await that attack to dry up, bypass their midfield and you've cracked them open.

Agree with this. Watford we’re under achieving pre Pearson, compared to the last 2 or 3 years, possibly partly a reaction to getting thumped for 6 by Man City...ahem!!

In any case just because their getting results now, doesn’t mean their definitely staying up. The test will be if they lose a couple in a row, hopefully one of them being against us in a week or so. Swansea looked like they turned it around with a new manager a couple of years back, but their run came too early & they got dragged back in. Time will tell I suppose.

On Smith, I constantly sound like a Smith evangelist on here, but I honestly think with some people he can’t win, like for some all our problems now are his fault, but are promotion run was purely down to jacks return. I tend to think things are more complicated.

I’ve said before, in the summer I’d have taken 17th at end of this season and I think a lot of supporters would, but hoped for more. The cold reality of the situation is, potentially finishing 17th is fairly grim watching some weeks.

For the Smith Outers, I have read one sensible or realistic suggestion about who would take over. Someone on a different thread last night was saying we need to get a Poch from 10 years ago....helpful that!! Having watched us for too long I’d rather the rest of this season was about the football rather than managerial gossip. 5 wins, 4 draws, 7 defeats to get to 40 points, not easy at all, but plain as day.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: TonyD on January 13, 2020, 07:23:27 PM
Barry Fry.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: nigel on January 13, 2020, 07:28:41 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 13, 2020, 07:40:37 PM
Oddly, Smith has been "rewarded" by the owners for taking us back towards whence we came …. what kind of "business plan" is that ?

Bizarre comment. He can get blame for recent events however 18 months ago we were not in great shape in the championship and he helped get us to the PL. that’s why he was rewarded.
So reward him straight after Wembley with the caveat that there would be more to come if he keeps us in the league ...it's all very well the owners being loyal to Smith however with the stakes being so high I would have thought astute businessmen and sporting specialists would have brought in a more experienced manager than someone who was ok with Brentford and Walsall - all managers need to start somewhere however I really think our owners have been naive - but hey ho it's their money at stake - part of me believes they were not expecting us to get promotion and we were ill prepared from the off - we flashed the cash but failed to build a side ready for the battle to stay up - promising fancy Dan's from Suso`s little black book aren't paying off
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Luke8 on January 13, 2020, 08:04:04 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round

Also, I’m not sure how much of a relevant example it is to use any more than saying we should definitely stick with Smith because Southampton backed their manager and he turned their precarious position around.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Des Little on January 13, 2020, 08:53:59 PM
If we had even approached Pearson, there would have been pant pissing on here, the extent of which would have been an all time high. Let’s not even pretend otherwise.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 13, 2020, 08:59:18 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round

Also, I’m not sure how much of a relevant example it is to use any more than saying we should definitely stick with Smith because Southampton backed their manager and he turned their precarious position around.

Key difference there - Hasenhuttl didn't leave them in the position of having no strikers at this point of the season. Southampton have forwards to beat the band, it's why they've been a bit of alright lately.

Smith has diddly fucking squat. Changing manager doesn't fix that, of course. But it's still as much his fault as anyone's.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 13, 2020, 09:04:46 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round

Also, I’m not sure how much of a relevant example it is to use any more than saying we should definitely stick with Smith because Southampton backed their manager and he turned their precarious position around.

Key difference there - Hasenhuttl didn't leave them in the position of having no strikers at this point of the season.


Neither has Smith.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 13, 2020, 09:27:12 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round

Also, I’m not sure how much of a relevant example it is to use any more than saying we should definitely stick with Smith because Southampton backed their manager and he turned their precarious position around.

Key difference there - Hasenhuttl didn't leave them in the position of having no strikers at this point of the season. Southampton have forwards to beat the band, it's why they've been a bit of alright lately.

Smith has diddly fucking squat. Changing manager doesn't fix that, of course. But it's still as much his fault as anyone's.

Southampton have three out and out senior strikers - Long, Ings and Adams, the same as us and one kid who is their fourth choice. The difference being that none of theirs got injured, and all of ours did. That's nothing to do with either manager.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Davkaus on January 13, 2020, 09:39:45 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round

Also, I’m not sure how much of a relevant example it is to use any more than saying we should definitely stick with Smith because Southampton backed their manager and he turned their precarious position around.

Key difference there - Hasenhuttl didn't leave them in the position of having no strikers at this point of the season. Southampton have forwards to beat the band, it's why they've been a bit of alright lately.

Smith has diddly fucking squat. Changing manager doesn't fix that, of course. But it's still as much his fault as anyone's.

Southampton have three out and out senior strikers - Long, Ings and Adams, the same as us and one kid who is their fourth choice. The difference being that none of theirs got injured, and all of ours did. That's nothing to do with either manager.

Who's our 3rd senior striker meant to be? The bloke with 3 career goals?

We put every goalscoring egg in to the Wesley basket, the two other options were options in the same way that playing with 10 men is an option.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2020, 09:40:40 PM
Barry Fry.
There’s a circus in the town.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 13, 2020, 10:22:31 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round

Also, I’m not sure how much of a relevant example it is to use any more than saying we should definitely stick with Smith because Southampton backed their manager and he turned their precarious position around.

Key difference there - Hasenhuttl didn't leave them in the position of having no strikers at this point of the season. Southampton have forwards to beat the band, it's why they've been a bit of alright lately.

Smith has diddly fucking squat. Changing manager doesn't fix that, of course. But it's still as much his fault as anyone's.

Southampton have three out and out senior strikers - Long, Ings and Adams, the same as us and one kid who is their fourth choice. The difference being that none of theirs got injured, and all of ours did. That's nothing to do with either manager.

Who's our 3rd senior striker meant to be? The bloke with 3 career goals?

We put every goalscoring egg in to the Wesley basket, the two other options were options in the same way that playing with 10 men is an option.

Davis. As well you know. Not getting into your last point. A Southampton fan may argue the same about Che Adams and his 0 goals for them.

My point was simply that the view that the difference between the two was that Southampton manager didn't leave his squad without strikers whereas Smith did isn't true. They both chanced it with three strikers. Ours all got injured. Theirs didn't.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 13, 2020, 10:26:51 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round

Also, I’m not sure how much of a relevant example it is to use any more than saying we should definitely stick with Smith because Southampton backed their manager and he turned their precarious position around.

Key difference there - Hasenhuttl didn't leave them in the position of having no strikers at this point of the season. Southampton have forwards to beat the band, it's why they've been a bit of alright lately.

Smith has diddly fucking squat. Changing manager doesn't fix that, of course. But it's still as much his fault as anyone's.

Southampton have three out and out senior strikers - Long, Ings and Adams, the same as us and one kid who is their fourth choice. The difference being that none of theirs got injured, and all of ours did. That's nothing to do with either manager.

Hm. Confess I'd forgotten that Austin had gone.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 13, 2020, 10:47:04 PM
We put every goalscoring egg in to the Wesley basket, the two other options were options in the same way that playing with 10 men is an option.

To be fair, Wesley is also like playing with 10 men most of time, so at least our three options are consistent! Davis is the best of them if only he could stay fit as he is very good at holding the ball up, meaning we can get further up the pitch.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Demitri_C on January 14, 2020, 07:16:57 AM
Why are we not trying to get RHM back ffs?
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mr underhill on January 14, 2020, 07:41:33 AM
because he would reduce us to playing with nine men instead of ten.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 14, 2020, 10:32:25 AM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round

The Expected Goals (“XG” to the hipsters) for Watford has always been pretty decent, even in their poor run.  Arguably Pearson hasn’t improved them that much, they’re just taking their chances better.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2020, 09:22:42 PM
how is this expected goals worked out? I assume our expected goals was wank with Emile Wesley up front
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 15, 2020, 01:47:44 AM
how is this expected goals worked out? I assume our expected goals was wank with Emile Wesley up front

Basically it is decent changes, “expected to score”; its considered to be a better barometer of performance than say shots on target because 50% of them could pot shots from miles out.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 15, 2020, 05:03:05 PM
I have always rated Pearson as a manager right back to his short spell at Albion. He was also BFR's captain when Sheffield Wednesday did the promotion and cup double. I do however agree with the people on here who have pointed out that despite him doing well at Watford so far he is no miracle worker and Watford were under performing in the first place and always likely to pick up some form with the players they have.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 15, 2020, 05:34:53 PM
Pearson is good at bringing discipline and organisation to a side. He expects/demands 100% effort from his players. It's why I thought he'd have been ideal for us when we went down. Boy did we have some players that needed a kick up the backside.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2020, 08:52:04 PM
Pearson will fall away again. Go in, organise, bully a few, get found out for bullying a few, lose half the squad, go on downward spiral. Was shit at Derby, only saved Leicester with an incredible end of season run, and generally struts about like an arrogant prick. Not for me.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 15, 2020, 10:08:34 PM
I have to admit that whilst having a fairly decent knowledge of Pearson's career in general his spells at Southampton and Derby totally passed me by.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2020, 10:25:39 PM
Pearson is the sort of manager to pisses a squad off so much that they massively over-achieve for the next manager just to spite him.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mike on January 15, 2020, 10:38:55 PM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round

Also, I’m not sure how much of a relevant example it is to use any more than saying we should definitely stick with Smith because Southampton backed their manager and he turned their precarious position around.

Key difference there - Hasenhuttl didn't leave them in the position of having no strikers at this point of the season. Southampton have forwards to beat the band, it's why they've been a bit of alright lately.

Smith has diddly fucking squat. Changing manager doesn't fix that, of course. But it's still as much his fault as anyone's.

Southampton have three out and out senior strikers - Long, Ings and Adams, the same as us and one kid who is their fourth choice. The difference being that none of theirs got injured, and all of ours did. That's nothing to do with either manager.

Who's our 3rd senior striker meant to be? The bloke with 3 career goals?

We put every goalscoring egg in to the Wesley basket, the two other options were options in the same way that playing with 10 men is an option.

Davis. As well you know. Not getting into your last point. A Southampton fan may argue the same about Che Adams and his 0 goals for them.

My point was simply that the view that the difference between the two was that Southampton manager didn't leave his squad without strikers whereas Smith did isn't true. They both chanced it with three strikers. Ours all got injured. Theirs didn't.

Except we pretty much knew, and so should Dean, that Kodjia was not up to it and Keinan was as as big a gamble as Wesley. Even if Kodjia and Davis were fit I wouldn't be feeling particularly confident about either of them. We started with no proven striker and, by definition, no back up if the best of the unproven strikers got injured. That's no more defensible than Bruce failing to sign a centre half and using Jedinak there instead.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: mr underhill on January 16, 2020, 07:36:13 AM
Not quite playing kodjia would have been better than not playing him. Even out of position last season he still chipped in with nine or ten goals.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 16, 2020, 10:26:01 AM
Pity the board didn't act earlier and got Pearson in. He's turned Watford's season around in 5 or so games - 4 wins and a draw.

Not only are they winning, they are winning comfortably, beating some good sides and playing really well. It isn’t kick and rush route one stuff either. Amazing how a team can be galvanised by a change of manager

This Watford team finished 11th last season. They are a good team so shouldn't be too much of a surprise they've turned it round

Also, I’m not sure how much of a relevant example it is to use any more than saying we should definitely stick with Smith because Southampton backed their manager and he turned their precarious position around.

Key difference there - Hasenhuttl didn't leave them in the position of having no strikers at this point of the season. Southampton have forwards to beat the band, it's why they've been a bit of alright lately.

Smith has diddly fucking squat. Changing manager doesn't fix that, of course. But it's still as much his fault as anyone's.

Southampton have three out and out senior strikers - Long, Ings and Adams, the same as us and one kid who is their fourth choice. The difference being that none of theirs got injured, and all of ours did. That's nothing to do with either manager.


I am not that convinced by those three Southampton strikers. Adams is unproven in the Premier League, Ings is injury prone and whilst I rate Long as a player he isn't exactly a prolific scorer.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 17, 2020, 12:04:48 AM
I have always rated Pearson as a manager right back to his short spell at Albion. He was also BFR's captain when Sheffield Wednesday did the promotion and cup double. I do however agree with the people on here who have pointed out that despite him doing well at Watford so far he is no miracle worker and Watford were under performing in the first place and always likely to pick up some form with the players they have.

He's been involved in at least two miracles (as manager) that I'm aware of - that run where Leicester avoided relegation, and was also manager of Carlisle for that famous "Jimmy Glass" game.

By those standards, keeping Watford up is probably less of a miracle, but it's still undeniably impressive how quickly he's turned them around.

Maybe they'll go to shit later on, or next season, but he's turned them around for now.
Title: Re: Next Aston Villa Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 17, 2020, 12:13:43 AM
Before we brought Reina in we were looking for a keeper and a goalscorer. We could have killed two birds with one stone and just brought in Jimmy Glass.
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