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Title: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 22, 2019, 12:55:31 PM
Have Your Say.

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Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: PeterWithe on December 22, 2019, 01:13:13 PM
Nakamba made mistakes but I thought he at least showed the required amount of urgency and intensity.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: Steve67 on December 22, 2019, 01:33:55 PM
An honest assessment of the game and current position.  I often think of these articles as the barometer for where we are and what is likely to happen next.  I agree about Luiz, his ball watching and lack of desire seems to spread through the side.  Nowhere near enough effort shown. 
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: Villafirst on December 22, 2019, 02:36:08 PM
DS should to speak to Sir Brian Little about a 3 centre back system; after all, Sir Brian didn't do too badly with it. DS does seem too stubborn with his formation. He needs to look at it fast, otherwise the consequences are too dire to think about....
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: darren woolley on December 22, 2019, 02:43:03 PM
Great read Dave spot on.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2019, 02:43:56 PM
The last paragraph was a corker. Amazing that we'd be delighted to settle for something similar.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: danno on December 22, 2019, 03:00:53 PM
Agree on the last paragraph, yesterday was eerily similar to Wigan at home a few years ago.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: Brassneck on December 22, 2019, 04:13:35 PM
The last paragraph was a corker. Amazing that we'd be delighted to settle for something similar.

He forgot to mention that we also changed the manager.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 22, 2019, 04:50:56 PM
You're right about needing to change the system Dave. We're too obvious to play against and the midfield, full backs are way too exposed. There's a reason why we concede more shots than any other team. The worry is Brentford did the same under DS.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2019, 05:26:09 PM
The question isn't what we all see and the appeal to do something different. It's whether or not Dean Smith is astute enough (I cannot believe I am even having to say that) to see it and actually do something very different. My fear like all of us is we will see some combination of the same with Wesley up front despite there being all the data in the world that it just isn't working right now.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: SaddVillan on December 22, 2019, 07:25:11 PM
This might force Smith to reconsider our shape, formation and tactics - he's been trying the same approach for some weeks now and it isn't working.

We urgently need to stop giving away silly goals, and maintain concentration either side of half time.

3-5-2 or 4-4-2

We also need to get somebody who is capable involved in coaching the defence.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: ROBBO on December 22, 2019, 08:05:31 PM
When Smith got the job I thought that we were getting a manager that was innovative and changes his set up as to who the opponents are very disappointed that finally he played two up top only when the game was lost.
If he starts the next game with the same set up he has used all season (which I think he will) then he should be removed even if we scrape a win.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 22, 2019, 08:23:21 PM
The last paragraph was a corker. Amazing that we'd be delighted to settle for something similar.

He forgot to mention that we also changed the manager.

That's because we didn't in 12/13.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on December 22, 2019, 09:09:41 PM
When Smith got the job I thought that we were getting a manager that was innovative and changes his set up as to who the opponents are very disappointed that finally he played two up top only when the game was lost.
If he starts the next game with the same set up he has used all season (which I think he will) then he should be removed even if we scrape a win.
This......I'm with you Robbo
He is not as innovative as we thought he was - disappointing
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: brian green on December 23, 2019, 07:32:21 AM
Excellent summation DW.  In passing I find it extremely difficult to equate Dean Smith's performances against us with Brentford - aggressive, energetic, committed, quick, effective - with the slow, ponderous, predictable, turgidity his players produce for us now.  Could he be a good low budget manager better at bringing the best out of journeymen players punching above their weight than wet nursing self regarding "better" players?
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 23, 2019, 12:55:52 PM
Excellent summation DW.  In passing I find it extremely difficult to equate Dean Smith's performances against us with Brentford - aggressive, energetic, committed, quick, effective - with the slow, ponderous, predictable, turgidity his players produce for us now.  Could he be a good low budget manager better at bringing the best out of journeymen players punching above their weight than wet nursing self regarding "better" players?
Or maybe he had little say in who we bought in.
Title: Re: (The start of) Press-ing concern
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 23, 2019, 01:17:27 PM
When Smith got the job I thought that we were getting a manager that was innovative and changes his set up as to who the opponents are very disappointed that finally he played two up top only when the game was lost.
If he starts the next game with the same set up he has used all season (which I think he will) then he should be removed even if we scrape a win.
This......I'm with you Robbo
He is not as innovative as we thought he was - disappointing

Indeed. If I'm honest, I was concerned the quality of our performances started to peter out during our brilliant unbeaten run last season. At the time I put it down to tiredness. Now I'm not so sure. What concerns me now is I find it very difficult to argue with Dave's comment, something that would normally de dismissed as nonsense:

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..at the moment Villa’s one-dimensional play is telegraphed well in advance; we could have a friendly against a non-league team from Africa and they’d know how to set up against us.
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